Why it’s easier for Moto GP riders to test F1 cars than the other way around
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Posted By: James Allen  |  13 Jul 2018   |  12:36 pm GMT  |  244 comments

John Surtees, Damon Hill and Mike Hailwood were all bike racers who made the switch to F1 cars. Hill was not a top level bike racer but became an F1 world champion, the opposite was the case for Hailwood.

So Surtees, who passed away when he was 83 years old last year, remains the only man to be world champion on both. But there have been a few riders more recently who have ‘had a go’ in an F1 car. And according to one of them it’s easier for a bike racer to test an F1 car than for an F1 driver to test a Moto GP bike close to the limit.

Surtees won seven Motorcycling titles riding invincible MV Agustas and four of them were in the 500cc category (1956, 1858, 1959 and 1960) before turning his attention to four wheels, first in Formula 2 and then in Formula 1. The Championship he got with Ferrari in 1964 allowed him to write an unwritten chapter, something nobody has been able to do again.

The man who was closest to making the transfer to F1 was Valentino Rossi: he tested extensively for Ferrari, exploring the option of joining the team, and also drew attention with his laptimes.

Between 2005 and 2008, Il Dottore did more than six testing days driving one of the red cars in Maranello, Mugello and Fiorano, and also in Montmelo and Valencia.

Luigi Mazzola, one of the Ferrari engineers who recollected Rossi’s performance with the F1 car, explained some months ago how surprised Michael Schumacher was by the Italian rider.

“I don’t exactly remember how many tests we did with Valentino riding the Ferrari, but I’m sure that at least were seven. In the first one he went out on track and did around 10 laps. At the end of that day his laptimes were amazing and I remember Michael Schumacher (who was looking at the telemetry) having a big stunned gaze, he couldn’t believe it”, wrote Mazzola on his Facebook profile.

Finally, and after thinking about it for a long time, the rider from Tavullia declined riding in four wheels to magnify his legend on two wheels.

More recently, two MotoGP Champions did something similar. Two years ago, helped by Monster, Jorge Lorenzo drove the Mercedes that made Lewis Hamilton World Champion for the first time with the German firm in 2014.

Lorenzo really prepared himself for that day of testing at Silverstone, something he claims he will never forget. “I think would be even more difficult for Formula 1 riders to ride fast on a bike. Basically because inside a car you feel protected and know that if you crash, your body isn’t going to directly crash on the floor”, summarised Ducati’s rider, who has won the last MotoGP Grand Prix, in Italy and in Catalunya.

Between these two races Marquez and Pedrosa had the chance to try a Red Bull-Toro Rosso in Spielberg, in an event organised by the beverage brand.

Helmut Marko, director of the Red Bull F1 team, went to the Austrian circuit to see Marquez’s test, which was under the tutelage of Mark Webber.

According to the reigning Champion, Marko even asked about how many years Marc had left in his contract. “One never knows if they are joking or not. But one thing is to test at the Red Bull Ring and the other one is to ride in Monaco”, assessed Marquez.

By: Oriol Puigdemont

This weekend’s Moto GP event is the German GP.

What do you think, could it ever happen again that a rider makes the switch? Leave your comments below.

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1

You absolutely correct about the isle of man competition but those streets get practiced by the riders just as much as any top rider practicing on a track…

Guy Richie wouldnt last or be competitive to one such as Marquez or Rosso,

If you can honestly tell me that Guy Richie compares to the talent of marq, Lorenzo or Rossi then u might not realize the bikes they ride are way quicker, require radical talent to ride and require the same if not more control while riding than the isle….

But dont get me wrong Guy is amazing but i would love to see marquez or Lorenzo give it a go. People forget yeah its in the street s and its max out etc….point remains that motoGp riders are the best of the best. Its not the same, motoGp-can do the isle…isle riders wont lap at times quick enough to peak any interest….my guess is they will have a high side fall cause they have a bike way quicker….

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The old adage of “with age comes a cage” is prevalent in off-road racing. Numerous motorcross stars, after they turn 30 typically, hang up their boots and switch to off-road buggies or trucks, and even some have gone Rallycross racing. Ricky Johnson, Jeff Ward, Jeremy McGrath, and now Ryan Villopoto have made the transition. Numerous motocross stars typically make the move after retirement to four wheel trucks. Johnson’s career was successful where his son made the decision to go into off-road trucks immediately. Wardy has an INDYCAR win at Texas. But as Rallycross and Baja have become places for former Motocross stars, watch the proficiency to improve and fans to come as they watch their former two-wheel heroes back in action “in a cage” to fit the old adage. They’re still on their dirt stomping grounds but on four wheels.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNXCJt7K3Q
Above is a link to Guy Martin chasing Micheal Dunlop through a lap of the Isle of Man TT in 2014.
I would say if you can ride a bike like this you can ride/drive anything fast. I don’t think reverse applies to drivers of cars.
You need years and years of experience to be this good on a bike. No one could jump on a bike and do what Guy Martin can do.
On the other hand I think there are a lot more people who could be put in an F1 car and get to within a few seconds of a top driver quite quickly. The question is then could they keep that up for two hours? Highly likely not.

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So…why is it then? You wrote all that and didn’t come with an explanation for your own question?

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Hi Victor,
I assume your comment was aimed at my post. Bit hard to tell with the dates being out.
I didn’t realise YOU were going to read my post otherwise I would have been more precise in the answer to my own question..
On my screen my post comes up as 9 lines. Didn’t seem overly large. Sorry if you got tired reading.
So to give a more detailed explanation to the answer “Highly likely not” as you request (and three other people are obviously dying to find out..)

Q. Could alot of people drive an F1 car (round a track) within a few seconds of of an F1 driver (Given a short amount of time and coaching)
A. Yes (In my opinion quite a few)

Q. Could alot of people ride a Superbike (round a track) within a few seconds of a Superbike Rider? (Given a bit of time and coaching)
A. No. They would probably crash and possibly die trying. The resulting injuries or death or fear would stop them progressing.

Q. Could alot of people drive an F1 car (round a track) within a few seconds of an F1 driver (Given a bit of time and coaching) over a whole race.
A. No. That takes alot more time and more talent

Q. Could a Superbike rider drive an F1 car (round a track) within a few seconds of an F1 driver (Given a bit of time and coaching) over a whole race.
A. Yes. They are fearless and wouldn’t die if they crashed and so could try again.

Q. Could an F1 driver ride a Superbike (round a track) within a few seconds of a Superbike rider (Given a bit of time and coaching).
A. No. He would die trying. Assuming the F1 driver had never raced Superbikes before.

By the way, can’t see your wise words in any post on this thread or do you feel your role here is just to mock?

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Rossi did this seriously, had many tests, shocked the Ferrari mechanics with his speed, putting it within one second of Schumacher. The story of some loosing large bets on this was widely reported.

Seeing Lorenzo, Márquez, Pedrosa trying their hand at sponsor’s set up demonstrating events is totally different, and a perfect illustration of the little man inadequacy all 3 suffer from so badly.

Simple fact of cars vs bikes is that you can buy off the showroom floor a bike that will lap almost as quickly as a Motogp bike, but nothing, not even the megacars of today are even remotely close to a F1 car in performance.

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This truly is a comparison of apples and oranges. No doubt each group of riders/ drivers have a special skill set which overlap to some degree but the skills involved in riding motorcycles quickly let alone at racing speeds are not readily within the ken of most drivers even F1 drivers. The motorcycle rider is not merely a passenger/pilot. He/ she becomes part of the motorcycle in the sense that by moving about the bike he she can amongst other things afford greater/ less grip , change the centre of gravity of the bike/ rider combination. Even a brief review of motorcycle races at almost any level will demonstrate this. The riders move around on the bikes for a purpose not merely related to aerodynamics. Given these special skills/ knowledge it is no surprise that only one motorcycle champion has translated his skills into a WDC (and arguably when driving the best car at the time, although Surtees later exploits suggest that he was well credentialed if a little prickly ) but no F1 drivers have had chance at Top line motorcycling. I suspect that the F1 drivers are all too aware of the different skill set and difficulties in riding a motorcycle fast and in competition. Their careers are short and uncertain. How more likely is it that one will not only fail but do catastrophic injury in attempting the transfer to bikes. The risk for bike racers converting to F1 is probably less but nevertheless present. Who would want to give up a successful career to engage in a risky venture with uncertain horizons.
I would also take issue with the inference made( I think by C63) that Mike Hailwood was less than successful as an F1 racer. He was no journeyman.He did well in good cars and his achievements in lesser cars was a mark of his greatness. His courage and generosity of spirit were credit to both the F1 and Motorcycle racing fraternities. If Clay Reggazoni were still around I’m sure that he would agree particularly given that Clays life was saved by Mike in an F1 incident that earned Mike a bravery award.
Champions are not merely those that win. Champions are those that attempt and sometimes achieve what seems the impossible (Senna 1993) and occasionally fail spectacularly (Senna 1994) Their failures do not diminish their achievements. Can we think of any in the current crop? Ignore the stars in the best machinery. Perhaps Hulkenberg or Kubica. Sorry about my rant. I digress. Regards from the antipodes

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take issue with the inference made( I think by C63)

You think wrong – I made no such inference.

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You are entirely correct. My mistake and you have my apologies. Must have been too much Scotch when reading the posts.Regards from the antipodes

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@ Revson…Very good post. Well put.

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McLaren’s Fernando Alonso didn’t need asking twice when offered the chance to ride reigning MotoGP world champion Marc Marquez’s bike at Japan’s Motegi Twin Ring Circuit over the weekend, as Honda celebrated the end of their racing year.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/headlines/2016/12/alonso-takes-to-two-wheels-at-honda-celebration.html

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Next – Analysis of why riding a unicycle is more difficult than riding a bicycle.

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Agreed Gene – A bit of an odd thing to compare..
If I was asked what motorsport discipline requires the most talent to succeed in motorsport (I.e man/machine factor where the person can make the biggest diffrence) then I would go..
1. All forms of Motorcycle racing
2. Car Rallying
3. Track Racing (Cars)

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Jonathan Powell

With regards to ‘The Doctor’s’ Ferrari F1 test I remember one of his conclusions was how bigger factor the car played in terms of outright performance and so another difference between the two is that in Moto GP the rider makes up more of the bikes performance than a driver does in F1.

So it also stands to reason they would find it easier to drive an F1 car than vice versa…

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more speculations..how do you measure what an influence a driver has on performance compared with the car? does the drivers’ feedback to the engineers count as their performance or the cars’ performance?

i’ll like to put it like this, if your in a team and the teams performance is poor, your performance must be poor too. if your are in a team with great performance then your performance must be good. no driver or fan should be complaining about the cars’ poor performance, especially if they are part of the team. what is their contribution? the results is a reflection of their contribution. if the car is not good enough, don’t join the team. will a top team employ the worst driver on the grid?

it’s all driver. nothing to do with car performance because cars don’t design or make themselves. drivers choose their teams and guide them to design and build them cars to race with. the whole process involves the driver so the drivers performance is reflected on their results.

i hope this will help you stop claiming “it’s the car”.

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So Rosberg and Bottas really are just about as good as your guy…

Thats pretty savage…i wouldn’t have put them in the same class!

I honestly thought you loved him?

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I heard the term “tank slapper” at Silverstone a couple of times last weekend, riding a bike it’s a little more edgy to say the least…one that sticks to mind is Randy Mamola high side save in 1985…its on youtube for those that haven’t seen it.

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Just another confirmation of that ‘modern’ F1 drivers are comfy halo whimps!

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f1 is not about wimps or bravery, it’s about driving fast. if you pay a bit more attention you will notice the extends to which they go to ensure the accuracy of the laptimes, measured to less than 0.001s.

practice session, qualifying and races are all times with the same level of accuracy and precision.

there isn’t a single measurement of bravery recorded in the history of f1 so please keep your bravery in your wardrobe and spare us the burden..

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Casey Stoner tried touring cars in Australia and was useless

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there you go.

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Another question to add: Why are F1 drivers earning a lot more money than Marquez and co?

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Answer – it’s called Free Market Capitalism.

It’s why Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore, Canada and Australia are very rich, developed have high living standards and and why African, Caribbean and Latin American are mired in poverty. The first group of nations are good at doing business, and the other group aren’t. It’s as simple as that. And it’s the same with comparing Moto GP and Formula 1. Simples.

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ask them why it’s so much harder to gain a licence to drive a car than to ride a bike?

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Um, this is pretty obvious isn’t it? There is way more money in F1 because lots more people watch it…

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Blavio Friattore

Ask the sponsors.

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Methusalem, because F1 is massively more popular than MotoGP.

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What an odd article. Might as well ask why F1 drivers don’t race horses or downhill bike racing. I’ve a good idea that few racing drivers ride motorcycles or ride horses.

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Mate, it is about vehicles, engines.. do something else.

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Haven’t seen a good chariot race in a long while either!

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If you’ve ever ridden a bike you won’t ask this question. Same with Dakar, many Dakar bike legends have gone over to cars once they got older and been very successful. But you don’t see car drivers going to bikes. Toby Price the Dakar racer and Finke Desert race legend on two wheels also started racing cars and guess what, he is successful. Putting a car on the limit like Lewis isn’t easy and I think only few can do it and I’m talking about that last second he can get squeeze out of a lap. But many if given some time will get within at least 5 seconds if not less. But not on a bike. Cornering a bike takes a lot of bravery when going fast. And you don’t want to slide the rear at all. And I’m not talking about sliding it under braking. I mean sliding it when cornering and laying down. There is a reason virtually everyone starts driving a car in the developed countries once they are old enough yet very few ever throw a leg over a bike.

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explain why its so much easier to get a licence to ride a bike compared to one to drive a car?

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In the UK it’s way harder to get a big bike license than a car license. That’s as it should be – a big bike is a very serious weapon on the road. I do worry that CBT is way too easy for small bikes, and someone who can wobble around a car park for a few hours and 30 mins on the road is set free with a restricted license for a putt putt bike.

Bike vs car racing is a silly article designed to get website traffic, as are a lot of recent posts which may as well be titled “Do you like Hamilton or Vettel?”. Followed by a stream of non reasoned replies from perhaps 5 regular posters that detracts greatly from the quality of debate for the rest of us. It’s such a pity as there are some really good regular posters on here that even when I disagree I can respect the viewpoint, and enjoy the reasoned thoughts. See another certain good F1 journalist’s blog to see how debate and informative posts can be done as I believe he does moderate actively to prevent the Sebee syndrome, posters who just type flowery guff, and people who stray off topic. There are so many good articles on here that I come back, but I now dip in and out of comments due to the inane posters. Perosnal messages to about 5 people on here would probably solve the problem though. On the other website these guys don’t contribute or get moderated as they don’t spoil it.

My tuppence worth on this click bait post? Very different skills for car vs bike, some will be very good at one, but very few good at both. I drove a Formula First at Knockhill on an experience day and was about 6 seconds off a decent laptime after 10 laps (I’ve done decent level kart racing), but on my roadbike at the same track with a whole day I was 12 seconds off the fast group pace, and possibly 20 seconds off a very good racer’s pace – let’s say I’d have been lapped every three laps in a real race, humbling and even worse than I expected 😂 So many more things to feel and move on a bike to control it. Interestingly I didn’t feel any more self preservation instinct on the bike, I just wasn’t as capable of making it do what I wanted.

Anyone here raced cars and bikes at a decent level that can elaborate with their experience?

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Good post Pauld!

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mikedefieslife

In which country? In the UK it is easier to get a car licence. The same should apply for the whole of the EU as the tests are mostly standardised.

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“Cornering a bike takes a lot of bravery when going fast. And you don’t want to slide the rear at all.”

MotoGP rider regularly slide the rear under power to get the bike pointing the right direction out of the corners.

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My Dakar hero Stéphane Peterhansel is a great example of that!
He won it 6 times on a motorbike. During 1991-1998.
One of the last times I think he finished 1st after having broken his arm/hand in a crash in one of the earlier stages of the Dakar race.
Then in 1999 he switched to cars, at the age of 34 yo.
Second year in cars he came in second.
After that he won the race 7 times in a car, with 3 different manufacturers.
Last time he won Dakar was last year at the mature age of 51.
That guy is as tough as they get, a real desert rat with skin of thick leather.
Amazing racing talent and a brain to go with it.
Next to this, not a narcissistic spoiled brat but an all down to earth great guy!

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driving f1 cars require a different skill to driving rally cars.

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Cyber…Now that is one guy who is indeed a true legend.

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People who walk high wires and have no fear of heights are not brave they just have no fear. People who drive fast cars or bikes are the same. They may have rooms full of awards and prizes but there will not be a bravery medal amongst them. So can we please save the word Brave for those that deserve it.

Cheers

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No, they have fear but control and use it to their advantage. Those who have no fear, die.

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I think it’s one thing to put down a competitive lap time and another entirely to race on 4 wheels and come out on top. ie racecraft; go up against the best after a lifetime of developing for 1 purpose, coming out on top.

Rossi made the right move for his reputation…

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I don’t think anyone would argue that you need real stones to do 300kph on a bike, no surprise that it translates well to keeping your foot in it just a bit longer in an f1 car.

I get jitters taking my car above 180 lol, to feel the wind rushing over my body at that speed would likely lead to a minute case of ptsd.

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It would be great to have some races with “cross-discipline” drivers from other motorsport series with F3 / F2 cars to begin with. Than the bests could do some kind of “wild card” entry at some races. I would love to se Marquez in an F1 car, he is young and has incredible skills.

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f1 drivers would win because only the best ever make it into f1.

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How about we get the F1 drivers who have bike licenses (like Vettel, Hamilton, Raikonnen, Ricciardo) to drive their F1 cars round say, Spa, and then hop on a MotoGP bike and do the same? Then we add the times up and compare to Marquez, Dovi, and Rossi who would do the same thing.

Pretty sure the bike racers’ times would be lower than the F1 drivers’ times 😛 We can even add in a rallycross component or a motocross component as well!

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under the tutelage of Mark Webber.

I’m not trying to be funny, but if Marquez was able to learn something from Mark Webber then it couldn’t have been all that great a test – Mark Webber was barely average as a driver.

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I’m not trying to be funny, but I think you need to adjust your perception of what is “average” regarding F1 drivers. 9 wins and 2 Monaco GP victories is not average at all.

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Oh c’mon Big H – he spent 4 years sitting in the most competitive car on the grid and he couldn’t even finish runner up each year – remember his team mate took 4 world championship crowns on the bounce using the same car. Of course he was average – it was a waste of a top seat.

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Thats a well below average attempt at humour C. Webbers record stacks up as a lot more than average. I thought you had a bit more grace than that!

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I’m just taking my lead from you blokes L 🙂

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Because everybody picks on poor Lewis?

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not sure who “us blokes” are…

Lol. If you look up the definition of disingenuous, it actually says see LKFE post on JA on F1 12.30am July 20 2018 🙂

ps I don’t hate you, or anyone else for that matter – I’m just yanking your chain mate!

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C63, not sure who “us blokes” are…and i’m not quite sure why i’m in your hate bucket? Maybe you were just having a bad day and decided to keep digging…

Anyway, i’m up at the top of the well when you decide to pop up for air.

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Aww gee LKFE – does this mean we aren’t friends anymore?

Honestly, you blokes love to dish it out but if you get even a little bit back you cry like little girls. I can’t wait for the confirmation that Danni Ric has re-signed for Red Bull as the #2 driver in the 3rd best team. The wailing from you blokes will be deafening.

Take care mate 🙂

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Nothing you say hurts mate, because i know the basis of most of your comments. So to that extent your opinion doesn’t matter to me.

But, keep presuming that you know more than everybody else, because thats the C63 that we all have such affection for…

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Who mentioned Lewis? Not me L. I was just picking up on your suggestion that my post lacked grace and pointing out that I was taking my lead from you blokes.

I appreciate that you probably don’t like reading that MW was, IMO, average. But what really hurts, is that you know I’m right.

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How very disangenous of you…

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What’s disingenuous about my comment?

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C63, ‘disingenuous’ is Jon’s favourite word….

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After many many years of watching the evolution of Moto GP racing it is my contention that F1 drivers, who are ostensibly the best of the best, would not be able to master the skill sets of the bike riders to the same level as in the reverse situation. Watching Moto GP riders cornering at insane speeds with their bodies off the bike at lean angles of up to 64deg is something very very special. The top speeds are similar on certain tracks, example 356 kph by Dovizioso at the ’18 Italian GP!! There is nothing between them and virtual oblivion should a tyre burst. That takes immense courage and skill. Taking nothing away from F1 drivers and their special skills IMO they are not comparable. Moto GP takes the top step.

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motogp riders wouldn’t be able to master the skills of investment bankers nor have the balls to try investment banking. i hope you understand that f1 and motogp are different disciplines.

63

when have you ever seen a motogp tyre punctured in a race?

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i don’t agree with you. the only reason f1 drivers don’t do it is because it is a step down.

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No, the reason F1 drivers don’t do it is that the learning curve for MotoGP is far far far steeper than F1! I would argue that even today, if a 3 year old started riding bikes, and then say at 14 switched to karts, they could perhaps make it to F1. I don’t think the same is true of a 3 year old driving karts, and trying to switch to bikes at 14. I think said 3 yr old kart driver could switch at perhaps 9 or 10, but by the time he turns 14, the other kids riding bikes are just soo good at using their bodies to ride a bike there’s just no hope.

Last thought: for sure to be able even to enter a race on a motorcycle is very difficult, much more so than to do the same in a car imho. However, its equally hard to be Lewis Hamilton as it is to be Marc Marquez. Perhaps it takes longer to be able to get one’s knee down on a bike, and to get fast laptimes, but no one wants to be 10th in MotoGP, they want to be first and thats almost impossible. Similarly, perhaps some MotoGP riders could switch to F1 and come in 15th or something, but no way in hell would they ever come first (in this era, in the 60s it was easier)

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Can you stop denigrating bikes and their part in Motorsport? Top level is top level, the only similarity is F1 and MotoGP is they use tires and have a motor. Can’t we enjoy them both?

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i do enjoy them both and just don’t enjoy fans making outrageous assumptions and calling them conclusions without evidence.

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Agreed Ken.

There’s obviously the dealing with speed thing, but i think the difference (in essence) is where a driver/rider “feels” the grip. The way a F1 driver is strapped in, i would think they feel the grip in their bum and their core (i know i do when i race carts). That’s totally different to the way a moto gp rider climbs all over the back of a bike and in essence acts as ballast on the bike. I’ve only every riden dirt bikes, but i imagine they would feel the bike between their knees, but they also have a much higher centre of gravity.

I think the speed perception/judgement is the only common denominator as the rest are very different skill sets.

But i’m glad we found something to tallk about this week… 😉

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@ LKFE…Another point which i forgot to emphasise was the riders ability to ride with ‘asymmetrical’ tyres which would take certain special talents to handle over parts of the track that they weren’t actually designed for..like the straights and opposite corners. I seem to recall that Indy 500 tyres were also asymmetrical as well!!! Great expertise there.

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@ LKFE…. Yes, the threads are not overwhelming. Watching the expertise of the riders last Sunday at Sachsenring was a different race to that which i had expected. The top 16 riders were within 1 sec in lining up on the grid! Marquez is simply a master at his trade and an absolute dream to watch. He makes it look easy sometimes but it never is as i expect him to come adrift at any time, as he never ceases to push. Rossi also did very very well for an old bloke…in racing age terms.hahaha

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I watched as well…i was amazed in the pre-race show where they talked about how much Marquez crashes in practice…like a few times for each event -just finding where the limits are. But then he vary rarely drops it in the race. I can’t remember who the commentatory was, but they were saying how unique and risky his appraoch to race weekends is… he only needs to get something caught under the bike to injure himself, but very rarely does…

That’s a totally different skill set to F1…almost like a stunt man taking a series of controlled risks before he nails a performance!

I also watch them dropping the knee onto the inner curb, but don’t know they don’t smash their knee caps on the ripple strips!

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as he never ceases to push

Lol – all the commentators talked about; from before the race started to when the flag was waived – was tyre management and the likelihood of the tyres giving up.

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Absolutely. Part of what I love watching MotoGP is that it is so difficult and the riders are pushing so hard that even the very best riders, e.g. Marquez and Rossi, can make mistakes and crash out – and they do!

Also, the rules are so great now – the races are amazing. This year’s race at Assen on 30 June may well be the very best motorsport event that I have ever seen!

I wish that some of the rules of MotoGP could find their way into Formula 1, e.g. engine and testing rules (basically quite restricted for the top teams and the opposite for the bottom teams).

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Absolutely agree about MotoGP riders – they are a breed apart. F1 drivers are a very special breed as well. But Cars is Cars and Bikes is Bikes.

The MotoGP guys are probably very capable of lapping rapidly, but extracting that last 1-2sec consistently is where the real challenge would lie. They could absolutely give it a solid shake up to that point, but qualifying within that margin of an elite driver would be the hardest part.

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“There is nothing between them and virtual oblivion…”

True. And yet, they still race and there are no talks of “thongs” being implemented.

If FIM applied the same safety overkill standards to motorcycle racing that the FIA applies to single seater racing, then quite simply Moto GP and road motorcycle racing in general should not exist.

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Tend to agree that the MotoGP skills are more transferable to F1 than the other way around. I also think that in the total performance equation, the rider has a greater influence on the outcome than in F1, where the car is the main differentiator, and apparently “Everybody here in the paddock, if you give them the fastest car then they will look great.”

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Best comment. Biking is tougher and requires not only skills, but a bit of ‘healthy insanity’. You can put 20 bikers in F1 cars and see exciting racing, but the opposite will be a loughter.

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@ Mick

Hmm… Isn’t it very unlikely for Marquez to leave a sport where he is fighting for poles and wins to join another sport in a midfield team

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Marquez would not go straight to a top team. Like most people, he would need to learn the ropes. But given a few seasons, he may show competency & start earning far more than Moto GP allows.

If he waited till his Moto career was over, he may be too late to join F1.

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@ toe clippler

I think F1 is where it is today because it is primarily a technology based sport which is a double edged sword, case in point, the steering wheel which has thousands of different modes therefore the drivers need the engineers’ help

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@ Captain Risky

Regards a super license in F1, I am sure the FIA would have made an exception for Rossi because his record speaks for itself.

From what I recall, the FIA also made an exception for Max to join F1 despite being underage

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at the time toss tested with ferrari there wasn’t a stringent requirement for superlicence. it was just a simple application..

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I doubt it. Loeb was a 7 times WRC and still couldn’t get a super licence.

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When Max was granted his Super License there was no age restriction, he had enough points based on his Euro F3 tally of 10 wins the year before, he was eligible for a Super License. The minimum age of 18 was introduced as reaction to his arrival in F1 at 17. The point system was also changed last year to make gaining eligibility much tougher, but that was in response to drivers like Stroll and Matsushita being offered drives whilst Gasly and Leclerc were being ignored despite their obviously superior abilities.

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there was hardly a points system pre 2016. all one had to do was prove that they had driven an f1 car at race speeds for 300km.

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Tim, they would absolutely think about the risks, because the risks are multiple times higher on a moto GP bike.

Just because a guy can flip a switch and exit the Monaco tunnel at full throttle, doesn’t mean that they’ll be able to do the same thing if you take away 2 of the wheels, the halo, and the carbo fibre safety cell, and HANS device.

This is what happens when you get it wrong on a MotoGP bike

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mO5vKVz-QGs

Pirro missed the race, but he was at the circuit the next day, talking to reporters, black eyes and all. The F1 guys just ain’t on that level, they’re soft like tissue paper.

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this puts it all away.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dJLQt3tiSp4

motogp is not more dangerous than f1 nor do riders have bigger balls..all in your head.

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i wonder how this compares with motogp..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZc9Xbyv3rk

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This is the stupidest comparison ever, but factually MotoGP is more dangerous than F1. At least in the last 25 years, in which there’s been 4 deaths in MotoGP races and 2 in F1, 1 of which (Jules Bianchi) was a total freak accident that shouldn’t have happened. Certainly in the past 60 years or so though, I think F1 is a bit more dangerous.

I’m pretty sure F1 drivers would be fine on a bike as far as fear goes – thats no the issue, its that its a completely different sport that requires a set of skills that are required to be acquired at like age 13!

Lets agree that both are soft compared to IOM TT racers though 😛 [joking!]

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Lauda was back in an F1 car 6 weeks after being given the Last Rites.

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Wasn’t talking about guys from Lauda’s era…

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but was lauda’s accident not more horrific than any mtogp accident?

how about biancci’s or massa’s accidents?

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Tim, sorry that was suppose to be a response to your post much further down, not sure how it ended up here, my bad.

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Twitch, many of the current drivers were racing when Jules was killed, and yet they all carried on. Soft like tissue paper isn’t accurate at all, you are either the kind of person who worries about something bad happening, or you aren’t.

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