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Posted By: Editor   |  08 Jul 2018   |  5:18 pm GMT  |  885 comments

With Lewis Hamilton having to fight through the field from last, Sebastian Vettel capitalised to take his fourth victory of the season and extend his championship lead to eight points.

It was a calm and measured drive by Vettel, which required him to pass Valtteri Bottas for the lead with a bold move at Brooklands corner after two consecutive late Safety Car periods.

The Ferrari driver went level with Alain Prost on 51 Formula One victories, a real milestone.

Hamilton, who was taken out by Raikkonen on the opening lap of the race, profited from the safety car scenario to take second place, ahead of Raikkonen and Bottas, although Mercedes chose not to pit under the Safety Car for new soft tyres, unlike their rivals, which meant Hamilton retained second place but could not challenge Vettel for the win.

“This is the greatest race in the world, and this is the greatest crowd in the world, and I’m sorry I wasn’t able to bring it home for you today, but thank you so much for your support,” said an emotional Hamilton, who initially ducked out of the post race interview at the finish.

“It’s you guys that helped me get through today. So we’ll take it on the chin, keep pushing hard and, believe me, I will not give up.

“My team did an amazing job this weekend and we’ve got so much support. There’s so much pressure.

Referring to the collisions with Raikkonen, for which the Finn was given a ten second penalty, Hamilton insinuated that it had been in some way deliberate,

“Interesting tactics from the other side today, but we’ll do what we can to fight them and improve in the next couple of races,” he said.

Red Bull’s Daniel Ricciardo was powerless to stay with the lead battle and could only manage fifth, whilst team-mate Max Verstappen retired late on with a brake-by-wire issue.

With Renault being the only team to use the hard-compound tyre, Nico Hulkenberg took sixth place ahead of Force India’s Esteban Ocon and McLaren’s Fernando Alonso.

At lights out, it was second-placed Vettel who got the best getaway and he powered past pole-sitter Hamilton long before turn one. Hamilton’s poor start allowed Bottas to sweep past into turn one too, and it gave Raikkonen the opportunity to attempt a pass into turn three.

However, Hamilton’s opening lap went from bad to worse, as Raikkonen locked up and collided with the Mercedes, spinning it and sending it to the back of the field, much to the despair of the British crowd.

Both cars continued with minor damage, but Raikkonen was down to fifth behind the Red Bulls of Verstappen and Ricciardo, and Hamilton had to start picking his way through the field.

Other opening lap incidents involved a spin for Force India’s Sergio Perez, and a collision between the two Haas drivers, which sent them out of the points.

With all eyes on Hamilton’s recovery, the Briton made light work of scything his way into the points positions, with many of the midfielders realising that their fight was not with the Mercedes.

Having already overtaken one of the Red Bulls, a ten-second time penalty for Raikkonen for the Hamilton collision prompted Ferrari to call the Finn into the pits early for medium tyres, and he had to fight through some midfielders in order to make his new two-stop strategy work.

With Red Bull leaving their cars out for as long as possible in order to take advantage of Raikkonen’s penalty, they had pitted both Verstappen and Ricciardo by lap eighteen and rejoined ahead of the Ferrari. This promoted Hamilton to third, but he was yet to stop.

Vettel was maintaining an advantage of three-to-five seconds over Bottas when both were brought into the pits for mediums a couple of laps later, keeping their positions when Hamilton finally made his first stop.

Hamilton’s sole pit stop on lap 25 brought him back down to sixth and with just over ten seconds to make up on Raikkonen.

The Mercedes man was given a huge opportunity to recover more ground when the safety car was deployed due to a big crash for Sauber’s Marcus Ericsson.

The Swedish driver lost control of his car whilst trying to take turn one with the DRS wide open. He spun and crashed into the tyre barriers as a result.

With both Ferraris pitting for fresh softs, Mercedes’ only opportunity was to do the opposite thing to their rivals, and they stayed out on mediums to gain track position. Bottas now led from Vettel, Hamilton, Verstappen and Raikkonen.

Bottas gave a fine example of how to execute a race restart and left Vettel and Hamilton behind when the track went green, whilst Verstappen and Raikkonen diced for position through Brooklands, Luffield and Copse, which Verstappen won.

However, the safety car was back out moments later for a collision between Romain Grosjean and Carlos Sainz.

Racing towards Copse corner, Renault’s Sainz was attempting a pass around the outside of the Haas, but a moment of oversteer meant Grosjean tagged Sainz and sent both into the barrier.

With the race restarting for a final ten-lap sprint, Bottas once again had a fine getaway, but Vettel was looking racier than ever.

Bottas was forced to defend a barrage of attacks into Brooklands, but the Finn could only hold him back for a couple of laps, and Vettel dived up the inside of Bottas with a late move to take the lead of the race.

Bottas’ continued to lose positions; he was passed by both Hamilton and Raikkonen – who had profited from Verstappen race retirement a couple of laps earlier – at the same location in the closing stages of the race.

With older tyres, Hamilton was unable to challenge Vettel, and the Ferrari man took his second British Grand Prix victory to extend his championship lead.

Raikkonen finished in third, with fourth-placed Bottas holding off a late challenge from Ricciardo on the final lap.

Renault’s Nico Hulkenberg managed to extract enough performance out of the hard tyres to hold onto sixth place, ahead of Force India’s Esteban Ocon and McLaren’s Fernando Alonso.

Kevin Magnussen took ninth place for Haas, whilst Toro Rosso’s Pierre Gasly originally took tenth place, but he was handed a five-second time penalty for colliding with Force India’s Sergio Perez in a late-race overtaking manoeuvre.

BRITISH GRAND PRIX, Results
1 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 52 Laps
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes +2.264s
3 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari +3.652s
4 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes +8.883s
5 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull/Renault +9.500s
6 Nico Hulkenberg Renault +28.220s
7 Esteban Ocon Force India/Mercedes +29.930s
8 Fernando Alonso McLaren/Renault +31.115s
9 Kevin Magnussen Haas/Ferrari +33.188s
10 Sergio Perez Force India/Mercedes +34.708s
11 Stoffel Vandoorne McLaren/Renault +35.774s
12 Lance Stroll Williams/Mercedes +38.106s
13 Pierre Gasly Toro Rosso/Honda +39.129s
14 Sergey Sirotkin Williams/Mercedes +48.113s
15 Max Verstappen Red Bull/Renault DNF
16 Romain Grosjean Haas/Ferrari DNF
17 Carlos Sainz Renault DNF
18 Marcus Ericsson Sauber/Ferrari DNF
19 Charles Leclerc Sauber/Ferrari DNF
20 Brendon Hartley Toro Rosso/Honda DNF

By: Luke Murphy

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1

Have the stewards lost their appetite to enforce track limits?

At the start and after, one or two drivers gained significant advantage by running fully off-track and gaining significant advantage.

No mention, no penalties, no giving positions back.

It is unfair to the other drivers who abide by the rules.

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The he said / she said bulls*** is more important than what actually happened on track. The fact that Max made up 2 positions on the opening lap by going completely off the circuit is irrelevant.

Discussions of track limits don’t generate as many clicks and comments as rehashing what people said after the event was over.

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@Twitch_6: What a strange fascination do you and Kenneth have for Max. Both in France and in England Max evades an accident just ahead of him by going off track. That is allowed. If he had not done so, he would certainly have had a collision with both Vettel in France and Hamilton in England. Furthermore, Max gained not 2 places but 1 at Silverstone. He was already ahead of RIC and overtook RAI. I think I will quote C63 who had a comment for Kenneth for a similar post but this one applies perfectly for you as well: C63 wrote: “It’s almost like kenneth bases his judgments on which driver is involved rather than the actual circumstances.

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@ Gebak27…..I have never hid my support for a driver/drivers as i am not a ‘team’ follower. The reason for that is quite simple. Teams manipulate results irrespective of their drivers. That’s how teams work. Is it right or is it wrong? Depends on your individual choices. I happen to choose drivers to support. Verstappen came into the sport, if you choose to call it that, riding a wave of hype created by Red Bull. That’s fine, that’s what teams do. They then proceeded to put all their efforts into ensuring that their latest choice got the ‘best’ to support their choices and along the way they discarded Ricciardo. Now in my book that is a low act. Verstappen, was able to weave his way in a manner that was outright dangerous and he got away with it. He was protected. No one, least of all this poster, thinks that he’s not a fast and seriously good driver and if you cared to do some research i said, prior to this season, that it would ‘nip and tuck’ throughout this entire season between them. if you knew anything about Red Bull you’d know how they operate and how in the past they have acted to achieve a result. The experiences Mark Webber endured should be enough evidence. That’s been well documented. That’s F1, but you don’t have to roll over and accept that. I certainly don’t. It was my sincere hope that Ricciardo would’ve got a drive with either of the top two teams but that will not happen for reasons i have clearly enunciated in the past. He is now locked in, presumably, to Red Bull where he knows that he will be not be treated fairly. That is sad as i believe he’s got the ‘chops’ ,rightly or wrongly. Alongside Hamilton or Vettel in an identical car he may get trashed ! The fact is we will never know. Mores the pity.

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@ Kenneth. Thanks for this response. I understand your point of view and have absolutely no problem with the way you think about it and put it in words like this. For me Max is an exciting driver and with no doubt I am biased in favour of him. That means I am more ok with his style of driving than others. I think you have to be a Saint if you are not biased for your favourite driver. I do not know all the official rules for driving in F1 but what I see (besides the clear mistakes he makes) is that he is controversial. He is on the limit of everything (driving and sometimes in interviews) and in some (in your view maybe a lot) cases he over the limit. Many people like that from the spectacle point of view and many other people don’t like it because it is unfair. The ones who like that kind of driving are strengthen in their beliefs (like me) because he not penalized for it. I don’t know what to think about drivers being protected by different stewards in different races. I like to think they are also struggling with interpreting all the rules. One thing they should do and that is selecting a fixed group of Stewards for at least a year. Many fans are complaining that there are too many rules. I even heard Vettel saying (2 weeks ago?) there are too many rules and let the drivers sort this out on track while he was complaining a lot on track in the past . I like hard racing even if it gets a bit dirty but there always will be grey areas wherever you draw the line. If drivers like Vettel struggle with the fact that penalties should or should not be given then we as fans sure do. I base my judgement mainly on posts in this blog and interviews with ex drivers like Martin Brundle, Mark webber and David Coulthart and I try to be as neutral and honest as I can. But I am definitely a Max fan. Maybe I misinterpreted Twitch posts because in 4 of his latest posts about leaving the track in first corners incidents only Max was named, no others but he explained why that happens. I can understand why you think RIC is treated second to Max in RB and for his sake I also hoped he would get a seat at Ferrari or MB. I like him a lot. Let’s move on to Germany!

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So because Max had two races where he got away with something i disagree with, all of a sudden I have a specific fascination with Max. I’m only talking about Max because it was Max who was the issue. If it was a different driver, like KMag, who I talked about equally in the France thread, I’d talk about that driver.

As far as “Max the worst”, I meant the “worst” in how much he actually straight line the S-bend in France, and the speed at which he did it (foot flat to the floor). Max, KMag, Perez, and Vandoorne all cut turn 2 in France. Of those 4, Max cut it the most, at at the highest speed (watch a replay from overhead, he’s going so fast he actually gets a nose in front of Lewis before lifting and slotting in directly behind), which makes his shortcut of the circuit the “worst” of the 4 who did it. My use of “worst” was nothing against Max personally.

As for only mentioning Max in regards to Britain, he was the only one I saw go off at T3 and make up positions. The only other cars I saw go off wide at T3 were Grosjean and KMag, but they were busy tripping over each other. If you saw another driver go off the circuit at T3 and gain positions, name them – don’t call out my supposed bias just because I named the only driver who actually committed the offence I’m referring to.

I brought Alonso and KMag up to demonstrate that I haven’t just been fixated on Max in my posting like you are implying. I’ve been posting about everything I saw happen in the race, regardless of who the drivers were.

I have no problem if you want to contribute, I encourage it, but don’t accuse me of having some sort of bias for or against one driver when my posting history on this site – which you claim to have been reading for years – would indicate that I don’t have a favourite or least favourite driver and that I critique them all.

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@Twitch, thanks for your response. I was triggered by 4 of your posts about leaving the track in first corners incidents. In all of them Only Max was named. You explained why. Thanks for that. I still disagree on the France incident. I would not call Max worse only because his speed was higher. The fact that Kmag followed him and gained positions is worse to me but that is just my interpretation. As I told Kenneth: let’s move on to Germany.

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Gebak27….Amsterdam…Rotterdam….den Hague?

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Yes, yes, The Netherlands. No surprise here.

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Gebak, every time I talk about a driver, some no star / one star poster comes along and claims I have some sort of obsession for said driver.

If you were a regular who had been reading my posts for years now, you’d know that I have no love for any one driver. I love the sport, and I want the integrity of the rules to be upheld.

You think I have it out for Max. Tim thinks I have it out for Lewis. I’ll have a go at any driver I think is in the wrong.

In France, I didn’t like the way both Max and Kmag made up positions by going off the circuit.

In Austria, I didn’t like the way Kimi aggressively rejoined the circuit on lap 1 at both Turns 1 and 3.

In England, I didn’t like the way Max gained positions by going off the circuit, I didn’t like Magnussen’s defensive driving vs Alonso (have you even watched that, or are you just hear to go to bat for your boy Max?), and I think the stewards decisions regarding Perez and Gasly was overkill and wrong, given the precedent set in Austria by Max and Kimi regarding a “bump and run” overtake.

Regarding the specific issue of drivers gaining spots by going off the circuit, I’m fully aware that they were avoiding an accident. However, just because you are avoiding an accident, doesn’t mean you get to gain positions over someone else who was also avoiding said accident, but did so by staying on the circuit.

This is not an issue for the drivers to sort out themselves. It’s on race control to set the order correct after a turn 1 melee like that. It’s fully possible to do this, as redress of position for overtaking cars while off the circuit happens all the time in other racing series where the rules aren’t treated like a joke.

Anyways, like I said, I’ve been posting here for years, always neutral in regard to having a favourite driver (I don’t, I like/dislike them all pretty equally), always harsh in my critisism, regardless of who the driver involved is. The fact you think I have something against Max tells me that you need to hold your tongue, spend some more time observing and watching, before you try to call out regular posters for having BS bias.

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@ Twitch6…Good post. I enjoyed reading that.

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@ Twitch_06

I like to look at each post (or post sequence) individually. I don’t care if someone is posting for many years or not. Totally irrelevant. I have read a lot of negative comments on Max and I agree with most of them but sometimes the tone of a post triggers me to response.

In the article about France you wrote about the evasive route Max took to avoid an collision: “Max was the worst, obviously. That was a joke. What’s the point of even following a circuit if Max is allowed to straight line an S-curve like that?”

In my opinion that is not objective nor neutral. Max was the worst, obviously. How so? First of all Max did not gained a position in France. At the start of the collision he was P4. When he rejoined the track he was P2 because P2 and P3 took each other out. Why was Kmag not obviously the worst and a joke? He was P8 when it happens and rejoined the track at P3 following the same route as Max as did many others behind him on other parts of the track! In your post in this article about leaving the track you again, only name Max. If you are so high and mighty neutral then do not pick one.

I have no idea why you want to drag the Alonso-Magnussen quarrel into this discussion. I could response with: ‘have you seen the boys rescued from this cave in Thailand or are you just hear to go to bat for your precious F1?’ But Yes, I have seen it and enjoyed it. If Kmag was penalized for that I would not be surprised.

Like I said, if have been reading many articles and posts for a couple of years and learning from them and enjoying most of them but sometime I can’t resist to reply.

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I love the sport……

@Twitch

Really ? All you do is moan about it ?

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It is becoming a significant issue, penalising good drivers. Alonso raised it last race, he had to stay on rack with other good drivers, braking and dodging the accident infront, while the other (suspects) just went merrily out and gained few positions.

No issue, comment or reaction from stewards. Even media raised it to Horner after lack of stewards action.

Drivers being un-disciplened is one thing, but F1 being that is inviting chaos.

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Ya Fernando brought it up after France, making some WRX “joker lap” comments, complete with photos. Got a lot of buzz on Twitter, but nothing from official sources.

Normally, when there’s a T1 melee and a driver goes from 5/6 up to 3rd, the broadcast team would at least show replays of “how on earth did he weave through the carnage?!?!?” Not this time though, one glance at the replays shows exactly how Max got 3rd. Since it’s Max and he’s good for the show, the rules get overlooked.

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@ Twitch6 ..that was my observation as well. There is a clip on You Tube, that supports your interpretation somewhat…but it’s not perfect.

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I am surprised to see Hartley classed as DNF when he actually did not make the starting grid. Surley it was a DNS. Then what happens about his new PU that was supposed to be a freebie for Silverstone as he was already at the back. Will he have new PU penalty at the next race having not taken part in the race when the penalty was supposed to apply but didn’t? I’m just being curious as this is a case where unexpected consequentes arise.

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Wow, if you believe the story that Hamilton has consultants who manage his internet image . Then they have been posting on overtime here. Amazing that the same faces have the time to post so many times in defence of Hamilton. Ridicule the othe posters or try to change the story.

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Welcome to the modern world, where brand- and image protection is worth millions for the ‘superstars’…

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Max needs to finish races……

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@ Bonensoep He needs at least one more DNF to put him on a level footing with his team mate then we can look at some sort of parity in the points assessment.

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He needs at least one more DNF to put him on a level footing

May your God forgive you kenneth – how many times have you lectured me and others regarding mechanical unreliability being part of the sport and how that is not an excuse/reason for losing out against a team mate?

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Not a lot you can do when the car refuses to finish…

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Also, not throwing it into the barriers before completing a timed lap in Free Practice would help.

Splitting tyre strategies is how Red Bull deal with the embarrassment of a number 2 driver being faster than the number 1.

Another way they could have dealt with the situation was to say ‘Max, Dan is faster than you’

25

Ask, his brakes failed.

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Who doesn’t

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1. Enough has been said about the shameful comments / accusations from Toto Wolff. Only thing that can be added is that he needs to keep in his mind every time he speaks he represents his brand. At Mercedes HQ I am sure are not happy about that as in the eyes of many f1 fans their image has been shattered. One thing is HAM doing it (and btw we know is a great driver one of the greatest ever but we know he likes to complain and bend politics… always done it since back in the day – like many other outstanding ones), another one is TW doing it.

2. There is an inconsistency in my view on how drivers are treated for the same event… why Kimi hits Ham gets 10 sec, but VER hits Kimi gets zero (both unindtended both brought the other driver to lose placements) and normalcy is 5 sec? That something FIA must address is not clear to us and I suspect to them as well.

3. Cars performance: for sure Ferrari PU shines. Results and data are there broth in quali and in race trim. In my opinion Ferrari has mastered the stalling of wings / drag reduction at certain speeds. Second to them is RB. Merc are way behind that and they need to work on their design to achieve the same. Also Ferrari has more strategic partnerships with little Sauber and Haas. Transferring PU and gearbox yes but I suspect that there is also data feedback which is very important between them and Alfa Sauber plus Haas Dallara… let’s not forget that Sauber and Dallara have stellar wind tunnels and simulation technologies on their own. Marchionne is applying the same mantra economy of scale/ know how he uses in automotive to racing whenever is possible. You need just to move an engineer to get the thing done.

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And I am glad to see that Jacques Villeneuve has similar thoughts as well on Motorsport. Spot on his analysis about the race.

Link: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/villeneuve-raikkonen-penalty-less-severe-if-he-hit-bottas-1058399/

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If you compare the aero on the Ferrari, haas, and Sauber, they all look very similar.

It’s an interesting strategy to combat cost caps, and Ferrari have a leg up on the competitiom already. As mentioned, Sauber have a top notch wind tunnel, so I wouldn’t put it past Ferrari to start using Sauber’s wind tunnel, and the Sauber car, to test theories that they then refine and put on the factory cars.

Cost cap can be whatever, but right now, Ferrari is positioned to have 3 teams working side by side. RB and TR will have the same setup. It’s left for Merc to decide who they want to team up with for the cost cap era.

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I’m a Lewis “fan boy”, but I’ll call him out when he says something silly – because I’m also a pretty well-rounded bloke who can see his faults as well as his good sides. Silly thing to say – glad he backtracked. What I would add though, is there anybody reading this who’s *never* said something stupid and regretted it afterwards? We’re all human at the end of the day. Lewis, you do need to learn from your mistakes though – and I say that at a “fan boy”.

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Michael Prestia

Mercedes lost some respect by insinuating that their rivals are deliberately hitting them. Nonsense. Sore losers!

32

Michael, Ferrari said the same thing after Baku and Singapore last year.

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@TimW,

Just curious Tim, l get that you are a Hamilton fan but why do so spend so much of your time defending him? You seem to think, possibly rightfully, that some of his detrators will never see his talent and the things he does right. So again, why spend so much energy trying to show them the light? As you might know by now, l am a Vettel ‘s fan and while at time l get a bit annoyed by some of the bashing he gets, l don’t get all that worked up by it. I am just happy to see him achieving what few have and that is in my mind enough to make his critics irrevelanent. Marc

34

Comet. I don’t respond to every silly comment about Lewis, in the same way that you don’t reply to every silly comment about Vettel, I wonder if the percentages are similar, but the numbers vary due to the much higher incidence of Ham bashing?

It’s a good question though, and the only honest answer I can give is, ‘I enjoy it’. Lewis’ detractors start off on the back foot as ultimately he is an extremely good driver who will always have far more good days than bad, and the bashers refusal to wait for the bad days provide easy pickings for me.

P.S, I realise that I may come across as anti Vettel at times, but I really have no bad feeling towards him. I often use comparisons like the one above in order to draw attention to the similarities between the top drivers, and Seb is the best example as he is Lewis’ closest competitor. There’s a reason I don’t use Sirotkin as an example!

35

Just to weigh in on this debate – I think this is a ploy by Wolf to instil a siege mentality with Lewis, that all these people are conspiring against him to get him to fight. The real issue was his poor start and had it not been for the bit of squabbling off the line, Kimi would have been well ahead by the point of the incident… realistically, he went from 1st to 4th in two corners.

I can understand Hamilton’s reaction, from in the cockpit it’s hard to have the full picture… but I can’t extend that leniency to Wolf who could see it all and have the benefit of replay. There is no way that you could say it was more than a racing incident and as such the penalty was more than sufficient.

In terms of missing the parc ferme chat, I don’t have a problem with that, he removed himself from the situation and it adds some drama which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I do however think he could have given more to his fans, he came out to them after but it was nothing more than perfunctory. It sort of says ‘I’m only into you, only if I win’.

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Dont anyone here think it’s rubbish the way “they” who run the show tries to make this look like it’s all about Lewis and Vettel. There’s no way what Kimi did could be worth more than Vettles 5 sec. In my opinion it was racing but if they want to give something less a reprimand would do. Max always get’s them dosen’t he?

In any way possible twaks, double standards and so on they want to make this the great battle between Vet and Seb. There could be other contenders too, but not in this way. In fact there are other drivers also running in circles I’ve noticed, some of them very good.

Ok it Was also Silverstone and Lewis and that influenced also the outcome of the 10 sec.

Byt dont we rather want three or four, or why not six titel contenders. This isn’t boxing where there are only two contenders. But whis is good buissiness intheie view, it think it’s the opposite, you engage more people. How many wdc’s do a driver need to make F1 great again, seems to be the logo here. Trumpism!

37

Being a Ferrari fan, the only way I can justify the 10 seconds is because Vettel also had to start from back of the field whereas Kimi may be lost a couple of places to 6th.

But more clarity from the Stewards are required regarding the same as there is so much inconsistency from the stewards.

This race just demonstrated why Lewis, even though a great driver, still has a lot of growing up left.

38

Clang! Clang!! I was waiting for the moment and it came quite early too. Someone would find a way to blame Trump for the current debacle.

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I say this as an F1 fan since the 80’s and a Brit. There is something odly satisfying about a Ferrari driven by a German winning Silverstone.

Lewis being hit and then hammering it to p2 should be a sensational story but unfortunately it’s not. At his home grand Prix Lewis threw a mardy and insinuated accusations rather than that spin it round to how great am I etc. I mean how many drivers can say they started at the back, passed almost every driver and finished p2.

That being said what toll does that drive have on his pu package. It must have been running in full attack for most of the race to have had that pace.

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Agree with you completely. I was just wondering if Alonso was in a similar position how the narrative would have turned around. He does not let the world forget when he beats Vandoorne alone.

All things considered, apart from the SC period Vettel pushed hard in the first stint, Bottas in the second stint just before the SC. In that sense maybe Lewis would have had to push harder throughout the race.

But those last 10 laps were sensational, with the front four cars around less than a second of each other for at least 4 laps. It was pure racing.

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Good point, but I guess Seb’s engine took a toll too (as did Valteri’s I guess) after their first lap crash in France, so I guess this brings it back to a level playing field in terms of excess (unexpected) engine stress.

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Gary, your pucking out one sentence from the wholeweekend, and trying to make it all about that. People say silly things in the heat of battle, your reaction to it is uo to you, but for me the race was massively more important.

43

I know Hamilton had the faster car but why did all the drivers below the top three teams make no attempt to race him. At least make him work for it.

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because it would be a waste of time that might compromise their position/strategy

45

Because it would slow them down, wear their tyres more and risk a collision. Pointless if you are inevitably going to be passed at some point.

46

The more I read about yesterday’s race the more disappointed I become at the level of jingoistic comment from the British press.

It was not a phenomenal recovery from last. That Merc was the class of the field in terms of performance, added to which the field parted like the Red Sea.

Nobody that I could see attempted to race 44 despite the fact that it was for position.

Schumacher at Monaco from last on the grid to fifth. That was phenomenal. And on a track where received wisdom would have you believe that it is near impossible to overtake.

Much more of this and I might take up watching footy.

Nah, only joking. Can’t abide football.

47

The ITV commentary on the England v Sweeden Game was embarrasingly partisan and worse that Ch 4 Silverstone.

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@ Warley I didn’t think that that was possible. Here’s to France winning the Cup and Boris Johnson becoming PM.

49

Just sayin, how many cars did Michael pass on track on that day when he started from the back because he tried to cheat his way to pole?

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@tim

Michael????

Cheating???

Nooooo???

51

Lewis shows again that when its not all perfectly his way he simply does not cope. TO leave Parc Ferme the way he did showed a true Spoiled brat ! Reminder LEWIS – Before KIMI rammed you apparently on purpose, a Red car passed you with ease Lewis.

Being a pro british website I am sure this message wont be posted!

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Vettel getting ahead at the start is your “pass with ease”? It’s the start; it’s a special case. The Ferrari starts have been great this year, especially the second phase of them.

This site will post both the considered and the daft.

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@ KRB…how condescending. I place your comment in the latter category that you have noted.

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@kenneth

You must see the irony in your comment….don’t you? Surely you do ? Oh well……

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No wonder they posted your daft comment then KRB.

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I’m forever grateful to them for that. 😉

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James, is it possible you could publish the collated quotes from all persons involved in “Interesting Tactics Gate”?

Like stuff from team radio showing what discussions Hamilton had with the team about pursuing these accusations. It seems unlikely that Lewis would come up with that phrase “interesting tactics” all by himself. It smacks a little of Wolff’s proficient use of English!

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Phil, are you Sebee in disguise?

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Lewis has since cleared the air and admitted to saying “dumb sh..” (his words) on his instagram account so fair play to him. And you can fully understand him, coming straight from the heat of battle and saying something, especially just after such a rollercoaster of a race. But Toto and Allison? Absolute disgrace for those comments. Two very senior managers, with access to basically every replay of the situation and they say crap like that. Big shame.

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Fair comment, I have no vice. Wish more would be as level headed.

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The KR on LH, RG on CS crashes and SV on VB, DR on MV in previous races are all caused by the same aero effect. When a car moves across in front of another the car behind loses front downforce, causing loss of breaking and / or understeer.

To avoid it the car behind has to anticipate the car in front will come across and break early or the car in front needs to anticipate they will disturb the car behind’s aero and leave more room.

Since the cars never get close like that in practice and qualy and in the race they have varying amounts of fuel and wind I have no idea how they know where to break, especially on the first lap with cold tyres and brakes.

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They are profesionals… they can put a wheel exactly where they want… Kimi knew exactly what he was doing… As vettel on bottas.. ask any driver.. any profesional driver that Is.

Maybe James can ask other F1 drivers .. a poll perhaps.

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Question to Mercedes team: why would it be just a tap? if it would be tactics why not kimi clash Hamilton and secure next season for Ferrari shame they blaiming Ferrari where they were unfair with their own driver Botta by keeping him out in older tyres to provide assistance to crying babe. I glad to see #justsaying

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Maybe they didn’t want to make it, i dunno, obvious. You know, think MSC and Rosberg in monaco. There’s an art to cheating, both in relationships and IRL.

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Questions questions round the breakfast table.

Like,

which was Hamilton’s bigger mistake……. the lousy start losing two places, or, the belly aching after the race???

Like,

how seemly is it for James Allison to accuse others of incompetence???

(bearing in mind the reasons for his unseemly exit from Ferrari [and that’s putting it as politely as possible] )

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Phil, here’s a couple more. Why are people more interested in a couple of comments after the race, than what happened on track?

Would they be as interested if Seb had said it?

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TimW, I can answer that question but seeing how I’ve obviously been banned for sometime on these forums, it’s best not to say. But I’m certain, an intelligent guy like you can put two and two together. Hint, has little to do with his ability as a race car driver.

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I can answer that question but seeing how I’ve obviously been banned for sometime on these forums, it’s best not to say.

Just out of interest, how do you know that?

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Hmmm wonder why

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None of my comments were being posted.

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Its not just that Hamilton said it – one could given him the benefit of doubt – it is that Mercedes leadership said it – and made an accusation. That is why today even the biggest Ham and Merc fans are basically agreeing that this is a wildly daft and wrong accusation to make.

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Vinay, yes it was daft, but so what? People say daft things all the time.

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Some of these conspiracies are hilarious, Lewis lost the race of the line , he was so slow and put him self in traffic. He then had an easy race , everyone let him through easily. Leclerc was awesome again , shame for his race. Alonso still shows he knows what his doing, great move by seb for the win , bottas was defending really well , shame his tyres went off, he should have won by the work he was putting in, prob what’s wrong with F1 right now 🙁

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You’re, right. He did have an easy race coming from dead last to 2nd. Just like vettel did in france. Oh wait, why did vettel finish only 5th? Question is, why after starting on the front row did herr vettel fall to last…conspiracy!!!

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Two SC periods in Silverstone …..take a deep breath and think clearly.

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And the sc didn’t help seb in France. Short memory.

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Torchwood Five

I would much prefer drivers feeling the appreciation and applause of model (okay, podium girls)-lined corridors on the way to the cool down room, and have a chance for a swig, and a glance at telemetry, before getting interviewed; rather than this current nonsense of pouncing on drivers as soon as they emerge from their cars.

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rather than this current nonsense of pouncing on drivers as soon as they emerge from their cars……

Plus 1 – agree absolutely.

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Great question, but the answer is very obvious which this comment section clearly demonstrates. DRAMA, or ish stirring. Controversy is always good for business. Especially within sport. Lewis has always been box office for f1. He’s different, says things and worse of all cares what people think and say about him. These characteristics makes ‘promoting’ the sport easy for our new overlords.

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At last something we can agree on. Not only gives the drivers a chance to get their act together but also gives all those fans sprinting to the podium area a chance to see their heros.

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Another advantage to a Ferrari win, the Italian anthem is so long that it gives the fans more time to get to the podium area.

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Torchwood Five

Before Lewis’ and Mercedes aired those suspicions, I was already thinking back to 2011.

Lewis started that year making so many clumsy moves that even I wondered if he should take a race off; but that season segued into Ferarri’s second driver, Felipe Massa, deliberately crashing into Hamilton on several occasions, before a) the broadcast played Rob Smedley’s message to “ruin Hamilton’s race”, and the stewards eventually spotted what Massa was doing.

I find it very disingenuous when commentators play the “no-one would ever do something like that”, although I think Martin Brundle was the most honest when he added, “-any more” at the end of his denial.

Kimi’s onboard showed his steering wheel so far to the right, that I can concede that that was not deliberate, but given the number of times that Ferarri are benefitting by punting Mercedes off the track, deliberate or accidental (Mexico 2017, and twice this year), I have no problem with the feeling being aired.

Normally when I say something critical of Massa, the post disappears, so I won’t be overly surprised if this does too.

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That Rob smedley’s comment is taken out of context like the Ron Dennis one of “we are racing Alonso”

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@ Torchwood five…At this level of international competition surely the onus is on Mercedes to back their defamatory statements up with facts!! marchionne should be all over this ASAP. Ferrari’s reputation more or less demands a response.

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Torchwood Mobile

@Kenneth

The lack of downforce behind cars, issue, affect Mercedes just as much as anyone else, yet neither Valterri or Lewis are knocking Ferarris of the track.

Probably no TEAM conspiracy. This is racing. But one team IS consistently benefiting from these incidents.

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@ Torchwood Mobile…Solution…Mercedes shouldn’t put themselves in situations where ‘incidents’ can occur. Hamilton blew his start. First corner argy bargy is always on the cards. Despite all the analysis you still hint at the ‘probability’ of a conspiracy. No, I didn’t think you had any. Show me the money and i’ll give you a ‘mea culpa’.

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Constantly? It’s just racing incidents. You should revisit last year when Bottas crashed into Raikkonen a few times (Bottas finished 2nd in one of them, Kimi retired both times) and there were no penalties and no wild accusations of it being deliberate.

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may be you should count how many times valterri took out kimi last season and didn’t get any penalty. also verstappen on vettel. i’m sure you must think those were co-ordinated as well. or is it only when the mighty mercedes gets hit, it’s co-ordinated

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How did Vettel benefit from the crash with Bottas? Are you saying that Vettel is wrecking his WDC changes just so Ferrari win WCC?

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2011 was the absolute nadir for stewarding decisions, neither Hamilton nor Massa covered themselves in glory, but the penalties given to each of them may as well have been drawn out of a hat.

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I’m sure someone has the stats of number of crashes/ responsible party between Ferrari and Mercedes over the last couple of seasons. But I am sure Ferrari is winning that race!!

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Oh, that sounds like a fun list to compile!

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Quote of the day:

“Oh, so I am not allowed to think anymore!”

Kimi Raikkonen, Silverstone 8-7-18

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Can anyone clarify exactly what Kimi was talking about when he said that?

He also said something like, “c’mon, let me use the…something something something.” Did anyone catch that radio message, and know what it was referring to?

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@Twitch_6 : It was about the strategy, when he wanted to go aggressive and jump Verstappen.

You can listen to the message @ https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06d5zjg

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I too agree that LeClerc could benefit from another year away from the pressure of Ferrari. If he doesn’t go to Ferrari though, I don’t see why he would move to Haas instead of staying at Sauber. Sauber is catching Haas on pace, I think Ferrari have more faith in Fred Vasseur than Gunter Steiner, and Sauber/Alfa is more directly under Ferrari’s wing than Haas. Both seats would work for LeClerc, I just think the consistency of staying in the Sauber seat makes more sense than jumping into Haas for a year.

I have heard about Perez to Haas, which I think is a brilliant fit. Would love to see this happen, and then maybe see Haas snag a podium or two with the crafty mexican. Be interesting to see the two McLaren castaways go at it too.

If Perez goes to Haas, I’d image that would be a perfect opening for Russel at Force India.

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I agree with you about LeClerc to Ferrari. I’m on the fence really, part of me thinks he could benefit from another year st Sauber against a better teammate.

Pure fantasy, but I’d actually love to see Kimi and LeClerc at Sauber next year lol…no idea who would take the other red seat then.

But both the Sauber and Haas seats interest me a lot for next year. I think they’ll be very sought after, given the pace shown by the two teams.

Between one seat at Ferrari, one seat at Haas, and one possibly two seats at Sauber, I think there could be a lot of shuffling.

Kimi retires? Kimi to Sauber? Kimi to McLaren? Where does Charles end up? What about Kvyat and Giovinazzi, both signed to Ferrari at present – could one of them appear in the Sauber next year? Fuoco in F2, has been average at best…

One guy I think might be in the running for a seat at either Haas or Sauber is Perez. I think he’d be a good fit in either team, and could help them steal a podium now and again.

We’ll see I guess. Big chips still have to fall, but I’m really curious about this midfield shuffle in the Ferrari related seats.

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Would love to see LeClerc in a Haas(Grosjean’s seat. I don’t think he is going to survive this year) for a year at least before the jump to Ferrari and Giovnazzi taking his seat in Sauber. Kimi has driven with purpose at least for the last few races.

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@Twitch_6 Interesting fantasy – Kimi in an Alfa Romeo (Sauber is going to be rebranded sooner or later) would probably be the “coolest” thing in the world.

I wonder if Kimi would be interested.

Ferrari/Fiat/AlfaRomeo are pouring a lot of money into Sauber and I think that it is now the official B-Team (ala Torro Rosso), so i think Giovinazzi is a certainity and if LeClerc moves then Kyvat might get a look in.

I’m not sure where Haas is now in this mix. I’d say Magnussen is a certainity, nother mistake and Grosjean is out. There are rumors that Perez has approached Haas (with FI on the block) and would seem a good replacement given how erratic Grosjean has been.

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Ashish, thanks for that.

Combine that with his comments after the race, sounds like Kimi is finished at Ferrari 🙁

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@Twitch_6 : While Andrew Benson at BBC has said it twice that it is a done deal, i’m not too sure. I guess we’ll know by Monza.

I think LeClerc is too young to be pushed up to Ferrari given the intense scrutiny it attracts and he has made a few mistakes in between his brilliant drives. I still think it will be Kimi in 2019, with LeClerc spending another year at AlfaRomeo-Sauber [with maybe Antonio Giovinazzi or at least someone better than Ericson for company] before a move to Ferrari in 2020.

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I think he wanted to pit earlier than planned to jump the red bulls.

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Another epic one from him

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The day he was asked to block Lewis should have been his last day. He should have told them where to go and walked that day. Assume he’s got some money saved and doesn’t need to be Ferrari’s butt boy in which could be his last season in F1. ..

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WTF are you talking about? Are you referring to the Lewis and Felipe comment or are you just mumbling incoherently? I think you have something mixed up here.

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Well Mercedes used same tactic with Bottas on Vettel at Spain last year should it have been his last day at Mercedes?

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Now, for a full spectacle, we need RBR on Merc or Ferrari engine, it is a shame RBR is shot to their foots with underperformed PU.

Alas, this is only fantasy at the moment, let’s hope Honda will succeed next year, however not great expectations unfortunately, at least for 2019, hope I’m wrong.

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The renault engine, isn’t as bad as RBR would have you believe. Likewise, their chassis isn’t as otherworldly all the same. It’s draggy and less aero-efficient than merc and ferrari, on high speed power tracks they’ll always suffer. It’s a design philosophy.

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The Renault lacks about 50 to 60 bhp and thats why RBR suffers on high speed circuits. If their chassis was that bad, Renault and McLaren should be much closer, performancewise.

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You don’t think a 70/80HP deficiency is anything to be concerned about? You should actually watch the race and see the on track benefits of these Ferrari/Mercedes engines before making such silly comments.

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@kenneth. What position did Hulk finish in his renault? Where did Force India and Williams finish. Using your logic mercedes has by far the best chassis ever developed in the history of f1.

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Oblah, I’m sure I don’t need to tell you, but logic and kenneth rarely make good bedfellows 🙂

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Just Sayin’

I think LH and Mercedes need to tread carefully with their accusations in case it is decided to investigate the powers that be who made the decision to deploy a full on safety car rather than a vsc thereby possibly giving an advantage to LH at his home GP.

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I’m not sure the SC was the lifesaver you make it out to be. Ferrari looked to be struggling with their left fronts, and Bottas was closing in on Vettel (only 2 secs back on lap 32), and Hamilton was less than 5 secs back of Kimi, taking a second/lap off him. Mercedes had the tire offset then, and the SC allowed Ferrari a cheap pitstop for new rubber.

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Lewis was 22 seconds behind Vettel before SC, and had Bot, Rai, Ver and Ric between him (let’s take RIC out of the equation since he was on a 2 stop). There is no way Ham would have been able to pass all these guys and not have to come in for a 2nd set of tires himself. Of course the SC helped him get to 2nd.

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He was 1s/lap quicker than the Ferrari’s at that point, and even more against Red Bull. Ricciardo had already bailed for a second stop before the SC.

With that advantage and 3 DRS zones he would’ve been through easily.

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I guess you’re “Just Sayin”

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Sotos Mandalos

Agreed. LH did go in the back of KR in Canada 2008 in the pit under red light. Verstappen with no gain other than causing havoc, went at the back of everyone last year and this year affecting results which went LH’s way. LH needs to learn about manners rather than being misearble. Having to race in a superior car over the last 4 years with no challenge is easy and equally hard to take when you cannot have always your own way. It will come to a point when it will stop. LH was lucky to get a 2nd place at Silverstone and unlike other drivers, he has VB to support him. The tactics comes from the Merc cars positioning next to each other as in previous races. KR lost places too and if that was an intersting tactics at high speeds it seems to me that Ferrari were planning that SB will get ahead, VB will get 2nd, LH 3rd and KR 4th in first corner; what a load of nonsense.

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Just Sayin’

I think that Mercedes are a disgrace for insinuating that another team would resort to the sort of tactics that they are suggesting.

It comes under the heading ‘Bringing the Sport Into Disrepute’.

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“If you cry like a girl when you lose, do ballet” – Kimi’s wife Minttu’s reply to Ham’s “dumb” comment 😂

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Coming from the team that tested the current car in 2012(?) Pirelli tyre tests knowing full well it was against the rules…but used some pathetic loophole to get around it. And went on to win the next race. Just sayin 😉👍

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Luke. Mercedes knew full well it was against the rules? They asked the FIA race director if it was within the rules, and he said it was. They then asked the FIA’s legal expert if it was within the rules, and he also said it was. This is why the FIA had to find themselves guilty in the ensuing investigation.

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Sorry, I was just reading from some mob called the BBC…”…Mercedes have been banned from this year’s young driver test and reprimanded for taking part in a controversial Pirelli tyre test….An FIA tribunal found the team breached F1’s rules and an article covering bringing the sport into disrepute…”, but what would I know. Fake news heh?

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Luke, yes Mercedes got reprimanddd, so did Pirelli and so did the FIA themselves. I thought you were going to come up with some killer fact that shows Merc knew the test was against the rules?

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The loophole of actually telling Charlie Whiting and the FIA all about it beforehand, and getting their clearance for the test? Hmm, some loophole. There was nothing illegal about it. Google the decision and see.

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