Vettel and Marchionne: Contrasting reactions to Ferrari’s “embarrassing” Monza defeat
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Posted By: James Allen  |  04 Sep 2017   |  12:07 pm GMT  |  250 comments

Ferrari chairman Sergio Marchionne has described his team’s performance in the Italian Grand Prix as “embarrassing”, however lead driver Sebastian Vettel who finished over 30 seconds behind the Mercedes of Lewis Hamilton, called it an “optimum result” considering where they started on the grid.

Lewis Hamilton poured fuel on the flames on the podium saying, “Mercedes power is better than Ferrari power!” Afterwards he joked in the press conference room that he would need a bodyguard to get out of Monza.

Marchionne never arrives or leaves anywhere without several bodyguards and Monza was no exception. But the chairman was not happy with the way his team performed in qualifying and the race.

Ferrari were relatively close on single lap pace in the dry on Friday, but a few tenths of a second adrift on long run pace on the supersoft.

Engine power has been cited as a possible reason, but that didn’t look like a factor last weekend at Spa, the highest engine sensitivity of the season. That said there is evidence that Mercedes did turn the engines up on Sunday.

The other culprit was the set up of the car.

The car needed more work but the team didn’t have the chance, as it rained on Saturday for final practice and neither Ferrari driver had the confidence in the car in Q3 on full wet tyres to attack, unlike the Mercedes and Red Bull drivers. Without the engine penalties for the Red Bull pair, Ferrari would have started 8th and 9th in their home Grand Prix.

Vettel, who started behind Raikkonen, made reasonably short work of clearing Lance Stroll and Esteban Ocon but was over 20 seconds adrift of Hamilton after the first stint and fared no better on the second stint on soft tyres.

Raikkonen’s race was affected by some operational mistakes, on strategy he lost the best way through the Ocon and Stroll battle and that left him exposed to the charging Ricciardo later in the race. (See Tuesday’s UBS Race Strategy Report on JA on F1 for details)

Ferrari chairman Sergio Marchionne was not pleased and attacked the team in the Italian Media for failing to improve the car from last Sunday’s Belgian Grand Prix and for its operational errors.

“It was hard to suffer,” said Marchionne. “I told Arrivabene (team principal) and Binotto (technical director) that the car hasn’t improved from Belgium to here.

“Something we’ve done on the set up of the car didn’t work. The lack of pratice in dry conditions certainly impacted on the set up.

“Today was almost embarrassing, seeing the difference between Mercedes and ourselves. We were losing a second a lap; that’s impossible, that is not Ferrari.

“I really want to wipe the smile off the faces of this guys (Mercedes). They’re busting my balls!”

Ferrari had a new front suspension for Monza, possibly introduced with an eye on Singapore and it may be that this didn’t have enough evaluation, when it rained on Saturday, meaning no more practice time.

Vettel came on the radio on the slow down lap and thanked the team, acknowledging that it had been ‘un giorno difficile’ (A difficult day).

“Being technical you can say, I don’t know what it adds up (to), the gap, the amount of race laps.. I think we probably lacked something like half a second per lap today but there’s not all the parts of the race you can judge.

“The last 20 laps I was struggling. I went off in Turn 1 and I think something broke in the car. The left-hand side of the steering was a bit down and I couldn’t trust the car, especially on braking and it’s a braking track. So the last laps I don’t think they showed the pace we could have gone

“I’m not worried too much about the gap. As I said before, Monza is a specific place. If you have that extra bit and confidence then it makes a big difference. So, I’m not too stressed about that. We probably knew it would be a difficult race. Probably expected as well that we would be closer but all in all, it’s not nice to see them two winning but I think with the third position, at least we gave everything we had and that’s the most important.

“Overall you could say it was a bad day, but I know the team is on the right way and there is a lot of stuff that is going to improve. Overall, it has been amazing so far to see where we are but I know that we only get stronger, so I’m in a very, very positive mood, despite the number and all that. I am not worried about these… overall, it was a difficult weekend but I know that there is still a long way to go and we have got the people behind us so it is a great feeling.

“They (Mercedes) did the better job and they deserved to win – no doubt about that – but I think considering the day yesterday and where we started from, I think it was the optimum result.”

This is good leadership from Vettel, who knows that Ferrari can be easily unsettled by difficult days at Monza – as Marchionne’s words show.

His show of faith in the team is designed to steady nerves ahead of an even more important encounter at Singapore.

Ferrari knew the characteristics of their car meant they had little chance of being better than third at Monza.

But they must win Singapore.

* Monday morning Ferrari announced that “Scuderia Ferrari has renewed its multi-year partnership with Philip Morris International. The agreement continues the collaboration of over 40 years between Philip Morris International and Scuderia Ferrari.”

Although the sponsorship is not visible on the Ferrari cars or drivers, as carrying of tobacco sponsorship is banned, the sponsorship contributes a significant sum to Ferrari’s racing budget

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1

Ferrari’s 3D printed steel piston should make an appearance soon, likely they will introduce their final engine of the year after Singapore, as power not paramount there. Mercedes rushed their last unit out to utilise the allowance of 1.2 litre oil burn,,,,,but Ferrari’s piston is a.Legal, and b. Negates the need for anti knock chemicals via oil burn, as a steel piston will not detonate as alloy would. If Ferrari don’t get the title this year, their engine is in good stead for next, as oil burn will be ironed out by removing the active valve in the crankcase breather.

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i remember when engin penalties used to be carried over until fully served..a few complained and the fia stopped the carry over.. they complained about the engine token system and that got eliminated..now another few or the same few are trying to get those engine penalty rules eliminated altogether simply because they are not witnessing the results they wish for…jean todt should tell them to stop complaining or he will revert to carrying over the grid penalties..
f1 is governed by rules and the rues shouldn’t change mid season. they should stick with following the ageeed rules..the rules include amendments..

3

Mr.allen, i had saw that you had became a presenter at f1 race conference in june at geneva, what is the name of the women presenter who sat beside you?

4

i don’t understand why so many, including horner and brawn complain about engine penalties. all the teams signed up to race under those rules so they shouldn’t complain. those who complain are those who want to cheat the system. brawn shouldn’t join them. the rules were put in place for a reason. why should it now be removed because certain people have been penalised? those who want it removed are used to having their own way. nature is governed by a set of rules no one can change so one rules have been tested and accepted by all. they shouldn’t tampered with unless they can be proved to be unfair, like the distribution of funds. funds should be distributed equally..

5

It makes me wonder how much Marchionne understands the full strategy that’s going on. Surely he was aware that Ferarri actually ended up in the best position they could.

So by saying it was “embarrassing” when in reality for that circuit it wasn’t he’s putting undue pressure on the team which at this stage isn’t really constructive.

If he’s that bothered about Monza then maybe he should instruct them to build a car/ engine more suited to Monza.

6

Looks to me that merecedes team has the most powerful package. Wouldn’t it be possible to change aero bits such that much more downforce generated as required by Singapore and some other twisty circuits.

How hard can it be?

7

Very difficult situation as I can’t decide who I dislike more, Mercedes or Sergio Marchionne.

8

My word! What a interesting thread! James Allen bias, Mercedes World Domination Conspiracy & Marchionne Mafia threat. Who says F1 isn’t entertaining? Some people have far too much time on their hands and seem filled with a sense of their own importance. This nonsense about not mentioning Vettle overtaking Raikkonen? Yes, nonsense. Marchionne & the mafia? Italy has history involving well known figures & kidnap with extortion. Look it up. So yes it’s wise to have close personal protection. Mercedes conspiracy? Nonsense. F1 is far too volatile for any kind of reliable season long conspiracy. It’s like the infamous 9/11 false flag conspiracy. Nonsense. No conspiracy can survive with hundreds if not thousands ‘in the know’ without spilling the beans, all utter nonsense. It’s an American thing you know. Conspiracy is a growth industry over there. As for James being biased, well that’s plain nonsense too. Good evening…

9

Concise summary of the thread, well done. deancassady, take note.

10

Mercedes have a longer chassis this year. I have read that that suits some tracks more than the shorter Ferrari chassis. I would wonder how much that has helped Mercedes in Monza. it was also reported that Ferrari changed some part of the steering on their car but didn’t have enough time to properly test/ set up the system due to the rain in practice. Putting these factors together I would wonder how much affect these had on Ferrari’s performance?

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What’s with the bodyguards? Is it like a mafia thing or something?

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Clarks4WheelDrift

Protection, because he resigned Kimi and the Tifosi want Alonso? 😉

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Or it’s just protection from Alonso? 😉

14

James,

Could it be that fitness levels of the drivers could be decisive in Singapore? Wouldn’t be suprised at all to see a driver collapsing there after the race!

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I’m actually shocked. What a reality bite, I am a Ferrari fan but I cannot, under any circumstance, support any organisation that benefits from big tobacco. How can any conscious person justify such a thing. How can Vettel or Kimi sit in a car that is known to be a subliminal add for cancer sticks. (‘ I’m just a Sportsman no longer wears’) Now every time I look at a Ferrari that is all I will see. There are many developing countries that do not have the same anti smoke add regulations as Europe and elsewhere that Phillip Morris can openly show their sponsorship of Ferrari, and where Ferrari is seen as a luxury dream. Ugliness on an F1 track. Comments here as to why it is allowed are very relevant.

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If people choose to (are stupid enough to?) smoke, then that’s their decision. Maybe we shouldn’t allow F1 sponsorship from Heineken, Johnnie Walker, Martini etc as alcohol is also bad for you. Maybe we should prevent Shell, Mobil 1, Esso, BP, Total etc from advertising as burning fuel causes fumes which are bad for the environment. Perhaps Red Bull shouldn’t be permitted to advertise their energy drink as it’s full of sugar and caffeine which are known to be unhealthy.
The point is, you may not smoke or approve of smoking but millions of people around the world enjoy this legal product. Tobacco advertising is banned in many countries; however, people will continue to smoke regardless of whether cigarettes are advertised. Surely it’s better that a portion of the enormous profits Philip Morris make are used to fund a sport that so many people enjoy? Additionally, you state that you can’t support any organisation that benefits from big tobacco – do you purchase products made by Kraft (cheese, Vegemite {until recently}, peanut butter, mayonnaise etc) or any SAB Miller beers (Budweiser, Stella Artois, Beck’s, etc)? These companies are all owned by Altria/Philip Morris. Chances are your bank finances tobacco companies and it’s more than likely that a portion of your pension is invested in tobacco.

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Kraft is not owned by Marlboro. Stop #fakenews.

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These companies are all owned by Altria/Philip Morris. 

No, Marlboro doesn’t own Krafr but Altria does and they own Philip Morris which owns Marlboro.

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What tobacco company do you work for? I’m simply an underpaid nurse, I work in the oncology department. Maybe you could visit one sometime it might open your heart, and instead of attempted to subvert anti tobbaco arguments with a fanfare of disparaging attacks on those who oppose such things, you might use your knowledge and intellegence to help the good work of those that over the years have had a very hard and long battle to discourage especially young people take up smoking. Look carefully at your intent Andrew Halliday. It feels to me to be a mask.

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Hi Lucia, no attacks here just my opinion. I don’t work in the tobacco industry and I don’t smoke. I’m sure you do great work that your patients appreciate. I grew up in Australia when cricket was sponsored by Benson & Hedges and the pre-season footy was the Winfield Cup. In the years that followed, ODI cricket has been the Carlton & United Series and the VB Series whilst footy used to have the Foster’s Cup. I was exposed to all this sponsorship/advertising but I don’t smoke and I’m not an alcoholic. Here in the UK, tobacco advertising is no longer permitted and cigarettes are sold from behind closed cabinets so you can’t see the branding. In Europe, it’s not uncommon to still see advertisements for cigarettes outside shops and on umbrellas outside pubs and cafes. People are going to smoke regardless of whether they can see a logo on a fast car.
Furthermore, the attached photo from the Australian Grand Prix in 2003 illustrates how tobacco advertising can work against cigarette manufacturers as well – Marlboro were paying millions to display their logo but they had to include a health warning that was almost as big as their own ad! I’m all for companies being able to advertise their products and bring money into a sport, it’s then up to the consumer to choose whether they’re interested in purchasing a particular product.

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Hi Lucia, no attacks here just my opinion. I don’t work in the tobacco industry and I don’t smoke. I’m sure you do great work that your patients appreciate. I grew up in Australia when cricket was sponsored by Benson & Hedges and the pre-season footy was the Winfield Cup. In the years that followed, ODI cricket has been the Carlton & United Series and the VB Series whilst footy used to have the Foster’s Cup. I was exposed to all this sponsorship/advertising but I don’t smoke and I’m not an alcoholic. Here in the UK, tobacco advertising is no longer permitted and cigarettes are sold from behind closed cabinets so you can’t see the branding. In Europe, it’s not uncommon to still see advertisements for cigarettes outside shops and on umbrellas outside pubs and cafes. People are going to smoke regardless of whether they can see a logo on a fast car.
Furthermore, the attached photo from the Australian Grand Prix in 2003 illustrates how tobacco advertising can work against cigarette manufacturers as well – Marlboro were paying millions to display their logo but they had to include a health warning that was almost as big as their own ad! I’m all for companies being able to advertise their products and bring money into a sport, it’s then up to the consumer to choose whether they’re interested in purchasing a particular product.

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@ Andrew H…well said…..’chew on that’.haah

24

Well Lucia…i think that you should cancel your order for your ‘ la ferrari’ and show them that you’re serious.

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@ lucia…your response just landed in my inbox. I have a very brief answer. ‘It’s all fine by me but only on the premise that i am invited’

26

kenneth, I wonder what I would do if I did own a Ferrari, that would be challenging. Perhaps if i did i would also be able to afford to ignite it in protest. That would be sacrilegious to some. So perhaps we girls would champagne party first, break a few bottles over it and then light it, finally dancing around it naked under the moon. Would that work!

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I am a Ferrari fan but I cannot, under any circumstance, support any organisation that benefits from big tobacco.

Every government around the world benefits from tax paid by tobacco companies, so you directly benefit from tobacco sponsorship, you can climb down from your high horse now.

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Rockie are you a smoker? Why would you consider someone is on their high horse when they proffer an argument against big tobacco sponsorship? Although if you are a Ferrari fan I might understand.

29

This
https://youtu.be/-bzWSJG93P8
mixed with the seagull picture from above is about right.

30

Seb is surprisingly resisting the urge to belittle his team’s efforts, by calling it the second fastest car, which other f1 drivers do without a second thought.

31

Marchionne is right it was a bad result for Ferrari. How Vettel can say he achieved an “optimum result” is a poor attempt to gloss over his own poor performance on the day.

32

how else is he supposed to tell all those who worked those long hours towards making his care competitive, not to give up but keep trying?

33

Seb is completely right. On your off days you have to maximise your results which is why Seb has led this championship for so long. It is damage limitation and he is still within 3 points of the championship lead.

I don’t see any evidence that this is a long term change in the form book, thus Ferrari maximised the result and go into the next race with the possibility of reclaiming the championship lead on a track that should suit their car.

Marchionne seems a tad inexperienced in F1 given his comments.

34

@ matt W…do you think that you are in any position to make that judgement?

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Exactly this, whether you finish a lap down or 1sec behind 1st and 2nd place you are still 3rd.

On Ferrari’s worst day he finished 3rd, now that is the best he can achieve, the problem for his title protagonist is on Merc’s bad day he is no where near the podium.

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In terms of top 5 results, they are even (12 each), so not sure you can say Hamilton is nowhere near the podium on the off days. Vettel has 2 more podiums, while Hamilton has 2 more wins. Those two podiums can be accounted for by a loose headrest, and Hamilton swapping back in Hungary even though he was 6 seconds ahead. Hamilton has also lost places due to grid penalties (5 spots in Austria), while Vettel has lost none.

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I’d love to have seen Ferrari more competitive in the race at Monza but what I’d love even more is if Marchionne learns to shut his mouth from time to time. From calling Raikkonen a ‘laggard’ to this outburst, I’m fast beginning to learn that Ferrari’s revival this year is in spite of Marchionne and not because of it.

He is no Di Montezemolo.

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Sergio Marchionne doesn’t understand that the other teams won’t be sitting on their hands between races.

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Very likely Singapore will favour Ferrari, I expect them to be pretty comfortable there. But overall, I don’t see Seb beating Lewis to the title. The constructors is almost a forgone conclusion, Kimi is just not strong enough consistently, he’s weaker than Valtteri, whom I expect to be stronger next year and be Lewis’ main rival. Seb’s 3 year deal is already looking not so clever.

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May the
“Busting of Marchi’ balls🏉,,,🏃🏉,,,🏃” continue throughout throughout the season for the unsporting, body guarded, misery guts 🤓
Note the Malborough sponsorship has the famous 3 K branding that goes way back to, where the origins of America Apartheid regime came from. Deep South.
I loved the Mclaren 80s & 90s cars but always felt uncomfortable about the association to that brand of cancer sticks.

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Rob in Victoria BC

‘Note the Malborough (sic) sponsorship has the famous 3 K branding that goes way back to, where the origins of America Apartheid regime came from.’, One of the more popular (and untrue) of the urban myths. Along with the one about Snapple Iced Tea having a ‘slave ship’ on it’s label instead of what it actually is – a tea clipper.

42

Expect the calls for Mr Arrive-well’s head to roll any moment.

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I agree with Vettel the best is yet to come. Ferrari new engine has yet to be used and has had more time for development. The tracks coming up will for sure suit Ferrari much better as well. This equals a very optimistic end of championship.

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I hope you are right mate. It has been a while since Monaco. So, my feeling is that the Mercedes has caught Ferrari in slow tracks as well. Ferrari on the other hand hadn’t closed the gap to the Mercs in fast tracks. Let’s see what happens.

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There is not evidence of Mercedes having caught up on slower tracks.
Only 2 races ago in Hungary they were spanked around the track pretty well.

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There is still everything to play for! Vettel has good reason to be optimistic – 2nd and 3rd over the last 2 races is probably better than he was expecting. However now the pressure will be on Ferrari to deliver the expected win in Singapore, just as it was on Merc to deliver in the past 2 grands prix. We are getting towards the business end of the season now, and the title protagonists will need to deliver on the circuits that they are expected to have an edge. Any slip ups will be very hard to recover from.

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In qualifying, I just think it was the difference in quality of drivers, the Ferraris pretty much matched Bottas, Lewis was just in a league of his own.

And Vettel had a valid point that they used to qualify in worse, Pirelli wets 60 litres per second, Michelin/Bridgestone wets, about 90 litres.

We all know the tyres are second rate, especially the wets, occasionally current F1 drivers speak out, all the retired F1 drivers that have used Pirelli tyres say they’re useless, what I don’t get is why journalists who you rely on to report on this are scared to even mention it? Maybe you can enlighten us James 🙂

48

the loudest expression of all was the camera shot of Arrivabene sitting alone at the back of the garage with a forlorn look on his face.

49

@ Joe…serves him right. He messed up and as Team Principal he carries the can. Nothing wrong with that. You take the good with the bad.

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Joe, he always looks haunted to me, like a schoolboy who has been summoned to the headmaster’s office….

51

Marchionne is clearly a Demotivator, and Vettel a Motivator. Dropping in occasionally and spreading fear and terror among the troops is exactly what Ferrari does not need now. Vettel on the other hand works with the staff on a daily basis, and supports their efforts.
In the overall scheme of things, finishing third was probably the best Ferrari could have hoped for, unless MB had a problem. The time behind the leader is not really relevant. Ferrari were also cruising in an engine mode designed to maximize its life to just maintain the gap backwards for third place. They can still use this engine at the next race low power race in Singapore, and introduce #4 in Malaysia.
MB on the other hand have had to introduce an engine early to achieve THIS 1,2 and then go on to use it in Singapore and Malaysia. Advantage Ferrari, provided they win both races. The issue with engines over the season, is like the # of laps the tires have completed over a race.
I’m truly surprised the Pundits and Commentators haven’t been making the Audience more aware of the differences an old engine and new engine has on lap times and race times. We only hear about different modes. My 25 year old clapped out lawn mover barely spun the blade anymore, whereas the replacement engine, rated at the same HP goes like a demon. It’s called simple wear and tear by pistons, rings and valve wearing out with more use..
So in summary, Vettel was being quite smart with his comments, whereas Marchionne was being a total richard- head.

52

ferrari improved from silverstone to spa. why did they not maintain that improvement at home?

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