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Lewis Hamilton considering Michael Schumacher’s win record as he hits 60
Posted By: James Allen  |  17 Sep 2017   |  6:14 pm GMT  |  259 comments

“I feel the most whole I’ve been as a driver and I’m enjoying driving more than at any stage of my career. I have a five year plan and at the end of every year I think about the future.

“I have no desire to chase Michael’s (Schumacher) seven world championships, but his win record could be something to chase.”

Lewis Hamilton drove well in a variety of conditions in Singapore as the track went slowly from went to dry, much as he did in Monaco 2008 and 2016, with a similar outcome.

It was a suitable way to notch up his 60th career Grand Prix win. At an average of 10 wins a season, which he has managed the last few years, he will catch Michael Schumacher’s record 91 wins in 2020. With closer competition he may have to wait longer and that may exceed the number of years he has left. But it’s interesting to hear that he thinks it could be a target.

Hamilton couldn’t believe his luck after the start of the Singapore Grand Prix, where he found himself leading from fifth on the grid after the two Ferraris tangled with Max Verstappen’s Red Bull on the sprint to Turn 1.

What won the race for him, according to the engineers in the Mercedes garage, was Turn 1. It was the first time the F1 drivers had taken the start in wet conditions and the chaos going on added uncertainty.

But Hamilton found the grip in Turn 1, committing to an outside line and that set up the track position advantage over Ricciardo, who started two places ahead of him and whom he had been following after the launch and avoiding Vettel’s damaged car.

It was a day on which it was easy to make mistakes. The first time that they had raced here in wet conditions, meant learning on the job where the grip was on the painted lines and on the racing line of this street track.

Hamilton admitted that “last year I made a lot of mistakes” and spoke about eliminating mistakes, using Ayrton Senna’s accident in Monaco 1988, where he hit the wall due to a loss of concentration when leading by almost a minute, as a reminder.

That’s interesting as he’s previously not beeb as open as that about errors in 2016; he previously suggested that he lost the championship mainly due to reliability issues, rather than mistakes and this marks a new shift.

It was damage limitation for Mercedes in Singapore, outpaced as they were in both qualifying and the long runs in practice. Instead they now have control of the Constructors’ championship and a points lead in the drivers which should be enough to see him across the line unless he has a technical retirement.

Ricciardo lacks pace when it counts

Hamilton was lucky too that Daniel Ricciardo seemed to be struggling with an upshift problem on his gearbox, which took the edge off his challenge, but the Australian didn’t blame that for the lack of pace.

Rather he identified a set up change he would like to have made with hindsight. It was a missed opportunity for a number of people today.

Hamilton had to work for it at several points, such as when Red Bull pitted Ricciardo for new intermediates at the second Safety Car. Hamilton questioned why he hadn’t done that, but had he done so, Ricciardo would have done the opposite and Hamilton would have been in second place. But it was uncomfortable for the championship leader with a rival on 11 lap fresher intermediates at the restart.

Despite that he couldn’t get on Hamilton’s tail, as the intermediate tyres held on even though worn. There wasn’t much else Ricciardo could have done strategically. He rolled the dice, expecting a performance boost from new tyres but it didn’t come.

Ferrari feeling low as both championships start to look difficult
For Ferrari this is a second body blow after the embarrassment of Monza; Singapore was a race that should have had 25 points pencilled against it on the schedule, even more so after Vettel’s sublime pole position.

Raikkonen’s launch was perfect and had the squeeze not happened from Vettel to the right, Raikkonen would probably have held the lead after Turn 1. He was penalised for doing a good start, as was Alonso, who was collected by Raikkonen and Verstappen on the second impact on the outside of Turn 1.

Verstappen this time appeared to have nowhere to go, as Vettel came across to cover him. Verstappen’s launch had been better than Vettel’s and he was minded to go for it.

The fact that Vettel was unaware Raikkonen was on the inside of Verstappen was reminiscent of the same trio tangling at the start in Spa last year, that time it was Verstappen trying to force the issue having got a poor launch and Vettel didn’t realise that Raikkonen had nowhere to go as the Dutchman was on his inside.

The stewards decided that there was no case to answer and chalked it up as a “racing incident.”

The 102 points in the Constructors is impossible to bridge now, the Drivers’ hangs by a thread and will need a retirement for Hamilton, like the engine failure in Malaysia last season, for Vettel to get back on terms.

What did you think of Hamilton’s drive in Singapore and what did you think about the start line accident with the Ferraris and Verstappen? Leave your comment below

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All Hamilton needs is for Merc to be as strong for the next three years as they have for the past four and he’ll beat Schu’s race wins and titles record. He could easily (and probably will) win the title for the next four years after this year so if he wants to keep going until 2021 at least all the records will be his


James, quite astonishing that Hamilton is still considered to have made errors last year. Spain was not his error as Rosberg was in the wrong mode. He did lose it due to reliability issues though. Belgium and of course Malaysia. These are the facts. Why do you and the rest of the media try to belittle Hamilton’s achievements? He doesn’t swear at people etc etc and still he just can’t get an objective without some sort of character assassination. Despite his loss last year he had the most wins and lost by 4 points. 25 lost in Malaysia.



This poster doesn’t know anything about racing/F1. Lewis’ season was the funnest tempt of a top driver trying to win a championship. The only thing he did right was, when he realised he was out of the race in Spain, to take Nico with him.


Hello, doesn’t winning eleven races count as “doing something right”?


Points Timothy,………… Points (not race wins) is what this games about.


How much DO YOU know about F1? Its a your “funnest” attempt at F1 knowledge? You may hate Hamilton, but his records and achievements speak for themselves. Ad hominem responses clearly shows your inability to be balanced and critical. May be he doesn’t fit in your image of an F1 driver. Probably one of the many people claim they can’t exactly put a reason as to why you don’t like him. Rosberg jumped ship didn’t he? So if him winning 11 races last year was “funnest” as you put it, then I am sure the majority of drivers on the grid will take that. Enjoy your “funnest” attempt at being a critical thinker.


He came second in a 2 car championship.


Please define a “2 car championship”. What does it really mean? Other teams failed to perform as they should have? When Ferrari were winning and they were 1st and 2nd in the Schumacher era, what was that? a “2 car championship”? When Mclaren won 15 out 16 races with Senna and Prost, what was that? Please give me a new understanding of a “2 car championship”, maybe its when Damon Hill won with his team mate behind him. We could go on and on. Try a better narrative. Don’t let the hate and discrimination take over. Also I am sure you’ll no doubt come out with the so called gangsta. Can you define his gang and where he is committing crime and getting funds from? Is he a Mercedes gangsta, is he holding Daimler to ransom with his fellow “gangstas”? I’ve yet to see him with a weapon however you may see differently.


His weapon is dummy throwing.

When Toto was phoning the head of Daimler to tell him that Nico was retiring. His first thought when he saw that it was Toto ringing him was. “Oh not another Lewis thing”. The guy was fed up with having to deal with Lewis’ dummy throwing.


That’s funny!



He said it himself. Hamilton brought it up and admitted many efforts last year like Baku, Singapore, Japan

Not necessarily all driving mistakes, but preparation, distraction, wrong mindset etc

I saw it all first hand and agree they were mistakes


Whilst I agree with some points, he did however lose it due to the blow out in Malaysia. Its quite perplexing that a 3 times champion with the highest pole record and and 2nd with the most wins is being questioned about “mindset” and “distractions”. That is the narrative that seems to have been pushed by the media. He won the most races last year. We can all agree at times drivers just don’t get dialled in at times and Lewis is no different. A much more objective approach would be very much appreciated.


The blow up at Sepang was not in his control. The Snapchat weekend in Japan was within his control.

Japan was a total meltdown caused by him claiming sabotage after Singapore (in a TV interview with Sky) and then after the Sepang race. Japan was his embarrassment at himself trying to be political/play mind games with Nico and the team.

At least we all know now why he tries to do his talking on track. When he tries to do it off track, it’s about as good as his poetry.

Japan last year was when the F1 padock realised what Lewis is.


So you had an insight to how the F1 paddocks thinks? You really are clutching on straws. What di the paddock really think oracle? Still a 3 times champ. What did the F1 paddock think when Renault cheated for Alonso to win in that infamous Singapore race? When Alonso moans about the car and rebukes the team publicly, is that “passion”? I bet if it was Hamilton, you’d saying he needs to be “grateful” for being in F1. Probably where you think he doesn’t belong. What did the paddock think of the Vettel meltdown in Baku, crashing deliberately into Lewis and of course last year swearing at Charlie Whiting? What of that? Or when he crashed in to Webber? What does the paddock think of that? Nico lost twice, so doing simple arithmetic 2 is great than 1. We can agree on that can’t we? What of the Belgium penalty? came from last to 2nd. Lets forget all that of course. I suppose its the fault of Lewis too Alonso left Ferrari to join a team not performing. I bet you were one of those who laughed at his decision to join Mercedes. Only to be proven wrong but you prejudice can’t take it. HAHAHA. 60 wins. 2nd on all time list. Twice as much as Mansell. Get the pins and voodoo dolls out and burn some effigies.


You mention discrimination, hate and prejudice. Could you elaborate on what type? How does pointing out deficiencies come under “discrimination, hate and prejudice”.

Pointing out that he posted setup data on the internet (in a fit of dummy throwing) doesn’t come under discrimination, hate and prejudice.

Pointing out that he did a TV interview with Sky implying sabotage (in a fit of dummy throwing) after he got beat by his teammate doesn’t come under discrimination, hate and prejudice.

Pointing out he accused the team of sabotage (in a fit of dummy throwing) then back tracked blaming God doesn’t come under discrimination, hate and prejudice.

Pointing out he had a meltdown in Japan from the embarrassment of his dummy throwing doesn’t come under discrimination, hate and prejudice.

The Snapchat weekend in Japan (whispered).

Oh and please what type of discrimination, hate and prejudice are to referring to?


Now why would I think the fastest driver in F1 doesn’t belong in F1?

I’m just saying his fragility out of the car has cost him 1 or 2 more championships already. He should have 5 by now and about to put the 6th to bed but that’s not our Lewis. He’s gangsta/lone-wolf/already signed the film deal and has to check himself in every live interview because he’s thinking how it will sound on the big screen.


So you’re hear listing his shortcomings and by trying to assainate his character with statements of a “meltdown”. Yeah he was on snapchat so what? What of Ricardo’s flatulance during the press conference. I bet if it was Lewis you’d really have a go wouldn’t you. Isn’t that a “meltdown” and him saying “he can’t win the bloody thing”? Look Alonso has sonapped formany years but the excuse is that “he’s passionate”. Vettel swears at the race director. Either way, their records on the track are what matters. Whether they have short comings, or don’t the fit the paddock culture as you like it, or background, or gangsta as some of you say etc etc. i mean the gangsta thing is rather idiotic but the same point stands. Record books will have his name etched there for a very long time. That is all that matters. You may hate him all you want and say “his employers are fed up”. Well I somehow doubt that but they’re paying him a pretty penny and want to extend his contract. If he gets this title, he will be for certain the greatest British driver of all time and amongst the greats of all time. All these conjectures and moot points don’t change the history and facts. Indeed he may not rock your boat etc. Probably should have had more championships but ifs and buts don’t change racing facts and results.


Not sabotage in Singapore. He arrived there from Los Angeles….(!)

So wasn’t on his A game there last year, that was the mistake. Rosberg had his strongest weekend in F1 and smashed it, so Hamilton arrived in Japan in a strange mood and again didn’t perform. Then when he straightened himself out and dominated Malaysia his engine blew.


James between Singapore and Sepang he did a proper TV interview with Sky, (In a nice apartment setting, not the media pen). In it in implied that the team wasn’t giving him the same equipment as Nico. He didn’t like getting beat bad in Singapore by Nico so this was the defense I guess. Then the next race the engine blows and out blurts the same narrative from the interview after Singapore. Then we got the Snapchat weekend.

I seem to be the only one who saw the interview but not to worry, keep up the good work.


Here’s one for the tinfoil hat brigade on here.

I know there was no sabotage in Singapore but after that TV interview with Sky. Merc had motive to blow the engine in Sepang. (Oh I’m a naughty boy)


Immature maybe 🤕


I’m afraid most of you miss the start of the point: Vettel’s move is risky already even if there are only 2 cars. That’s the kind of start I make on videogames because… it’s only videogames. I don’t care if he didn’t see Raikkonen, he should know there is a risk.
Funny thing is Vettel could lose the championship because of this, whereas Rosberg won it last year because he did the same mistake in Barcelona.


RE: Sienna inside Lewis’s head.

It wasn’t raining in Monaco. Sienna was driving on another level. A supernatural level.
It was a your drive Lewis. It was a great drive. Don’t think about Sienna or Schumacher, would be my advice.


Gene, Sienna Miller?


There was another potential collision-avoiding scenario which I think points to Verstappen not being squeaky clean in this incident.

If he had some awareness of Kimi, or considered the possibility that he had left a wide open gap to his left by his initial move to the right, then he might have considered holding his line, then the initial collision would not have occurred.

Then the way I read it was that Vettel had not cleared Verstappen and should have been watching his mirrors as he moved across and realised that Verstappen was holding his line. A wise driver might then consider why that might be – either knowing that Verstappen was super-aggressive to the point of collision based on experience and secondly that he could not be entirely aware of what was around. So if Verstappen drove a solid line, Vettel would have had to back out of the squeeze (and would be consistent with his entitled approach to driving).

So, I think that Verstappen’s inexperience in simply reacting to Vettel without considering what else was around him continues his magnetic attraction to incidents – he can’t complain about Vettel pulling that move for being unaware of what was going on around him without accepting that he also should have been considering what else might be occurring.

I’m happy that it was 50% racing incident with 40% for Vettel not really considering Verstappen’s racing approach and inexperience, and 10% for Verstappen’s failure to mirror, signal, manoeuvre.


All the talk of titles being lost already is far too premature. We have had many races this season with large swings in the points balance among the contenders. Red Bull are in the mix at most races now and will add to the swing effect one way or another in several races. This season will still go down to the wire, and if it’s only a five point gap I would suggest Vettel would be in the stronger position for Abu Dhabi.


Eventho he has won 4 times wdc, the pressure was there to be seen. Risky move to squeeze vestappen esp under slippery condition. Its christmas for hamilton.


Mercedes won 51 out of 59 races from 2014-2016. They have won 9 out of 14 this year. That is 60/73 from 2014. Not even Ferrari displayed dominance like this. From 2000-2004 Ferrari won 57/85 races (67% Rate). Mercedes are currently on a 82% rate. A lot of F1 is about being in the right place at the right time. Look at Alonso. I rate him as one of the greatest of all time but his career has been plagued by being in horrible cars.


We should say regarding nando, these have been all his decisions.


Alonso has been plagued by himself and he’s EGO. He made he’s deck chair now he is sleeping in it.


Hamilton was recipient of luck, however he took advantage of it. A great drive Lewis. However the drive of this day was Martin Truex Jr. in NASCAR.

Tornillo Amarillo

Hamilton, in December 2020, could break with Merc this record of Schumacher’s 91 wins.

Then, he could have his 3 final years in Ferrari. I will cheer for him.


As a Ferrari fan it was horrible to watch, but I’m still glad they didn’t start the race under a SC.
It was also painful that it was 100% Vettel’s fault, he just squeezed to soon.
ALL Kimi had to do was stay in front of Mercedes and let Seb get away, but he decided to take a massive risk and put himself between Max and a wall and win the race on the first lap. This was a gimme for Ferrari and they blew it.
I expected more from the 4 time World Champion and his trusty sidekick.


Funny how Dutch media frame froze Max turning away from Kimi as proof of Max’s innocence when few frames later he’s driving toward Kimi, having seen Kimi’s tire along side his a second earlier. Max hits Kimi first.

I still don’t think Vettel was fully aware he was dealing with 2 cars not 1.

But that’s all irrelevant. Let’s say nothing happened to Vettel in turn 1. Fact is that Lewis was right in Vettel’s tail after turn 1. If Lewis didn’t pass Vettel for P1 in this Mercedes here, I’d have some questions.


Your statement is beyond odd Sebee. Max moved towards Kimi he was squeezed late by Vettel. Once the squeeze happened contact was inevitable.


This was was because Vettel starts to squeeze Max further. Max is not to blame get over it.


“in this Mercedes here” was the third best car in Singapore.

I think you meant “If Lewis didn’t pass Vettel for P1 in the wet, I’d have some questions.”


Hamilton admitted that “last year I made a lot of mistakes”.

Just thought I’d repeat that for the Hamilton fans who had nightmares over conspiracy theories about Rosberg getting better equipment, being favoured by Mercedes ’cause he was German, swapping inferior mechanics, etc etc. Let’s consider all of that rubbish disproved shall we.


Not that I believe any of them, but how exactly does Hamilton admitting he made mistakes disprove any of those?


Gary, I do hope that we don’t hear any of that rubbish ever again, although I’m not sure it was Hamilton’s fans who kept bringing it up….


These records are being broken as much if not more simply because of Mercedes dominance. The ten wins a season only come because of that, and it’s an extreme level of dominance over several years that hopefully we don’t see any more of in future. When Hamilton was tying the pole record a former F1 aerodynamicist was asked about the record and while he acknowledged it he said but don’t forget if you look at Vettel he’s already got a large number himself, primarily from the Red Bull dominance which was nowhere as strong as Mercedes, and his opinion was that the records are more reflective of dominant teams. Michael of course had more than his fair share of dominance.

As for the incident I believe Max isn’t blameless. He jinks to the left just before. Clearly he sees Vettel but he doesn’t give any room to Kimi. Now he can then go on TV and criticise Vettel for risking by squeezing when leading the championship, but that’s Vettel’s right. It’s the pot calling the kettle black. What would he have said if the reporter asked back… do you feel you should have been more careful considering you’re getting trashed by your team mate on points? If we’re going to judge everyone on reflection of championship position then both should be judged.


In the same exact cars as Hamilton has had in F1, his teammates have scored 35 poles to his 69. Nearly half. In those same cars he’s had 60 wins while his teammates have scored 37. Just over 60% of his haul. It’s not like he’s had Taki Inoue or Alex Yoong beside him either. He’s had WDC calibre drivers for teammates for 8 of 10.5 seasons, and always in an equal opportunity setup.

As for Max, if the Red Bull is dominant next year and he then wins the title over Ricciardo, the points difference this year will mean absolutely nothing.


I am pretty much done with F1 for the season and maybe for good. This weekend clearly demonstrates just how crazy F1 has got. The one person who did not play a role in this incident is being crucified by the Britt press and fan-base. The only cure is to not take either seriously. However, that doesn’t erase the whole F1 debacle of erratic regulation changes, extremely poor judgement in the use or lack thereof, of the safety car, and allowing kids who are hardly old enough to shave to earn a F1 license before they are mature enough to be trusted. The venues are turning into profit centers and the viewers or people attending the races have to pay through the nose. F1 is starting to look more like NASCAR every weekend. I don’t know, but I think this is about it for me.


Close the door and switch off the light after you leave. No one will stop you. F1 stopped been a sport a long time ago, when bernie got invloved. As for kids been involved, (max, sainz, ocon) some of the most exciting yougsters the sport has had in years. They are a breath of fresh air.


I hear you Bob, but hang in there. I have faith in Ross B, but it will take some time to unwind Bernie and CVC’s monetising campaign.


Aw c’mon Wheeler, if Seb won Singapore and he was leading the championship, you would be saying it’s the greatest show on earth.


Dear Lewis, I hope you found my services useful. Your’s, Max.
P.S. By the way that contribution you made to my racing fund will keep my old man in booze for the next 20 years.


Bob, Booze?
…or to post bail?


Lkfe, Jos has certainly had his share of run ins with the rozzers, a bit worrying really….


Some of Lewis’ 60 victories have been straightforward, but many have not. Many said over the 14,15 and 16 seasons that Mercedes didn’t need Lewis, and they were right. With a slower driver in the other car, Rosberg would still have won those titles, and Merc would still have won the constructors championships, this year however, they really need a driver of Hamilton’s calibre. Barcelona, Spa and Singapore are three races lesser drivers would not have won. Lewis is earning his money this year, and it is worth remembering that if he does eclipse Michael’s record, it will have been done without the soft team mates and contracted number one status that Michael enjoyed throughout his career.


We are forgetting one important thing about this race, big Kudos to Charlie for not starting this race behind the safety car.

There is hope for F1 yet.


That stating under the SC was a consideration makes me fear for f1. The start crash is only going to help those who want to run f1 from the Health and Safety Executive HQ


How strange ! In hindsight, may be this was the race that should have started behind the safety car. No rain all weekend, never a wet race in Singapore – first ever night race in the wet – no safety car start and then we lost 3 of the top 4 by T1. Hindsight is 20-20 🙂


I clicked Vettel for the pole question. To me Vettel wasn’t to blame, but it was his mistake, maybe very little will blame will go to Kimi as well. My analysis, “Vettel had a bad start and veered left to cover Ves. He didn’t see Kimi in the process. Kimi on the other had a great start and wanted to take the space from Max. In the process he kept going straight rather than moving to the left, he might not have seen Vettel either. Max on the other had had no choice but move left a little which caused the collision.”

So it was a racing incident as the stewards judged. But it was instigated by Vettel’s move to cover Ves. Championship can change in 30 seconds and that’s what happened this weekend in Singapore.


Max didnt move to the left. Raikkonen veered slightly to the right. In any case, there was plenty of gap between Verstappen and Vettel and Vettel was ahead.
Raikkonen started behind. So there is no excuse for him to say he didnt see Vettel.


Credit to Jolyon for driving a really solid race.


Please James, what should have happened if Vettel had continued a straight line not merging Verstappen-Kimi?
Should Kimi crashed anyway to Verstappen or Vettel ahead in the corner, braked, locked…?


I think they all make it through in that scenario and Raikkonen gets the hole-shot. He had the most momentum


Vettel mostly at fault by being overly aggressive, but it warrants no further action.


Vettal at fault 100%

He does not deserve the championship and hopefully this is the race that will decide the outcome in the end and he will roux the move he made.

Stupid just stupid.


Ferrari lost the WCC long time ago. They have to accept the fact that they are also out developed by Mercedes. As far as WDC is concerned, Vettel & Ferrari made a few mistakes that he couldn’t afford to this season. Niki Laura’s comment at the beginning of the season comes to mind, “if Vet doesn’t have dnfs, the championship is over.” I thought he was out of his mind with the fastest car, very good number two driver and a triple WDC on board his comments didn’t make sense. Having said that, it’s refreshing to see a different team taking the fights to the Mercs. Qualifying performance says it all about how good the Mercs are. 10-4 isn’t a stat goes with the championship winning team if you are on 4. So, now Vettel can pray fire miracles like Ham did in Singapore. Ferrari should now go all out as there’s nothing to lose.


Hamilton admitted that “last year I made a lot of mistakes” and spoke about eliminating mistakes

Yes I was talking about his mistakes for a while and I think this is a “turning point”, now hi is going from living legend to greatness! Admirable! We will support his efforts.


The funniest thing I ever heard was that the opening incident was Verstappen’s fault !

One thing that F1 could do to improve the sport is to eliminate thost daft bloody baseball caps ! They are dorky to the max. Anyone agree ?


Yep, but they’re good for the sponsors and even better for hiding some of the driver’s haircuts so I expect they’ll stay.


Talking of haircuts, do you not think Danny and Lewis look very much like twins on the podium in Singapore? 😄


JamesK, they seemed to be chatting quite amiably as well, future team mates?


That’s a possibility Tim. JA seems to see him at Merc. That would be very interesting😉


JamesK, would love to see it happen. Valterri is good on his day, but I don’t think he has it in him to go wherl to wheel with Lewis on a regular basis. Dan is clearly a level up from Bottas, and while I don’t doubt he would give Lewis a hard time, it would be great to see. I think he would be a good fit for Mercedes, no way he would resort to the kind of underhand tactics they have had to put up with before….



Agreed Tim. I would very much like to see Dan go up against your guy. They do seem to be on good terms don’t they and I think they would trust each other on track. Actually the driver market will be very interesting in 2019. I read today that Renault will be targeting the best available and that may well include Max and Dan. My own thoughts are that if Vettel doesn’t deliver a WDC this year (which is just about out of reach) or next Marchionne will look to Dan. Toto and Jos seem to be on good terms that might see Max at Merc. No wonder RB want to hold onto Sainz because they fear that both Max and Dan will want out at the end of next year although I thought Max was contracted until the end of 2019.

Lewis and Max V Dan and Vettel – now I’d like to see that and so would F1 fans.


Adrian, it all depends on engines doesn’t it? Red Bull are a great team, if Honda come good, or a new partner can be brought in, then Dan and Max might be better off staying where they are. Failing that I think Jos will be pushing hard to get Max into Ferrari, they have a history of focusing on one driver, and although we don’t like that, the chosen driver just loves it! Dan has impressed me this year, he has an Alonso like ability to be there when the top teams slip up, and keep himself out of trouble! I think with Merc’s tendency to go for two quick guys, and there experience of how badly wrong that can go, Dan would be the better choice for them than Max.



Well I guess neither of us saw Max staying with RB until the end of 2020. Horner and Marko must have convinced Max (and Jos) of the benefits of staying with the team notwithstanding the concern at this stage that they don’t know who their engine supplier will be from 2019.

Interesting that Horner had been saying that they want to sign both drivers beyond their current contractual periods. So yesterday we learn that Max is signed but no word of Dan. I can only think that Dan has told them that he intends to assess his options for 2019 and beyond and doesn’t want to commit at this stage. I think this is a wise move because Max will now become the face of RB and any momentum or priority for the team to win a WDC will go through him. Indeed Dietrich Mateschitz has said that they want to make Max the youngest WDC in history. None of this goes well for Dan.

Given Brundle’s comments and the media’s comments in general it would appear that your prediction above (and in another post of yours) that Dan may end up at Merc may come to fruition. If true this will be his CHANCE to compete for a WDC and the best driver of the current generation of drivers will be in the other side of the garage. Not bad to measure yourself against.

I hope that Lewis puts Vettel out of his misery tomorrow.


Couldn’t say – I used to watch the podium ceremony, but ever since they started the podium interview nonsense I switch off as soon as the race is done.


I can understand why! Eddie Jordan makes me cringe.


Random, good choice this week, EJ did the interviews….


*shudder* 😐


But when is enough is enough, The FIA need to do something about Vettel bad driving before someone get injured… He keep proving the pressure is to much for him…


Oh on the subject of passing 91 wins, I don’t think so.


Well I sure got this race wrong. I forgot about wet starts as I haven’t seen one in a while. Hamilton and KR got pretty good starts and MV got a good one. In fact Vettel got a bad start. He tried too hard to hold his line against Max.

I didn’t see that coming. I don’t guess he saw KR but chances are that if he hadn’t dove over like that he would have still maintained his position. He said he was probably too conservative at the start but he was very aggressive after that.

Yeah a pretty bizarre race in all kinds of ways.


Hamilton admitted that “last year I made a lot of mistakes”

But if Lewis didn’t make mistakes in 2016, this means he would have won the title which in turn means Rosberg would still be racing and taking points off him in 2017, in addition to getting involved in clashes like Spain 2016

It appears everything really happens for a reason when it comes to Lewis


Ifs and buts doesn’t win championship. As I said many times, there’s no such a thing as lucky champion in F1. The fact is that you have to be in the right place at the right time and make the right decision to win in F1. Hamilton did the same thing to Vettel this season as Rosberg did to Hamilton last season. However, based on the previous results If Rosberg was still racing, this would’ve been a 3 way title fight for sure. Bottas either needs more time or he is just unworthy of fighting for the wins consistently. That’s why we have had 2 way fight so far this season.


@ Formula Zero

But the fact that a driver was in the right team at the right time make him a lucky champion


Goferet, no because a driver has to make himself attractive to a team capable of building such a car. Once he has got himself hired by excellent performance, he must get himself rehired by continuing to deliver excellent performances. Nowhere to hide in F1.


@ TimW

To be fair, there have always been a big number of attractive drivers but as always there are few top seats hence you still need a big dose of luck (or a well connected manager) inorder to get a competitive seat


Goferet, not that many really attractive ones though! The teams analyse huge amounts of data before making a driver selection, the numbers don’t lie!


Goferet, but Lewis has had no reliability issues this year, so no reason to believe he wouldnt be ahead of Nico, just like he was in 2013, 2014 and 2015.


@ TimW

Yes, without reliability problems in 2017 Lewis would be ahead Rosberg, however, Rosberg wouldn’t have been Lewis’ main rival in 2017 as it would have been Vettel which would have been more complicated as Rosberg would have been taking points off Lewis


Goferet, yes but looking at last tear for reference, in the races where reliability wasn’t a factor, Lewis was comfortably ahead of Nico. If anything it’s more likely that Nico would have taken more points off Seb than Valterri is doing.


@ TimW

Aah but you forget Rosberg has been improving as a driver each year he was Lewis teammate, partly thanks to studying Lewis’ data and partly thanks to learning from his mistakes

And in the past years we saw Rosberg really strong at qualifying were he was beating Lewis on merit therefore Rosberg would have been beating Lewis by starting from pole more often than not e.g. at difficult to overtake circuits

Not to forget, Lewis tends to have off weekends which Rosberg could have capitalized on


Umm, Hamilton beat Rosberg 12-9 in quali last year, and that’s with Rosberg benefitting from Hamilton being unable to compete at China, Russia, and Belgium. Lewis was hampered in Q3 at Monaco, and then there was Rosberg’s yellow flag pole lap in Hungary, that would not be allowed this year. Those are 5 circuits where you would expect Lewis to take at least 3 poles from, and maybe 4.

Rosberg’s quali stats vis-a-vis Hamilton are significantly skewed to Rosberg’s benefit through yellow flags, or unreliability for Hamilton. There are at least 10 instances like that where it worked to Nico’s benefit.


Goferet, not so sure about the whole Rosberg improving thing, the gap betweennthem would have been the same as usual without the brakdowns, Rosberg was good, but Lewis was clearly better. Nico had more bad days, and they were more severe than Lewis’.


Seb had a good start, then naturally he went to squeeze Max. Unfortunately Kimi launched even better, and decided to have a go up the inside into turn 1. Not such a great idea as he had the clear view – of not making it past any of them.

Max had a somewhat poor start compared to the other Ferrari’s. I felt he played it rather too ‘safe’ than the usual Max. This, I feel, contributed somewhat to the whole affair as well.

Basically you had the perfect storm – a racing incident if your experienced to racing cars, or blame whoever you don’t like if your not and uninformed.


I felt the same too, regarding Max’s role in the start incident. His predicament at Hungary and Monza, may have played a part in him playing ‘safe’.


I couldnt believe vettel didnt cover lewis on his outside but chose to cover the inside – his rivel was on his outside! He jst needed to cover lewis than anybody else.


In fairness to Vet, he would have only had eyes for his front row partner, and wouldn’t have been able to see back in his mirrors due to the spray. Lewis was also much further back and not a threat before all the contact.


Spot on, James. The first lap crash was a racing incident first, but if blame must be apportioned then Vettel should get most of it. Certainly not Verstappen as Ferrari have suggested, that’s just foolish.

You can bet your house on the WCC.

The WDC is also close to a certainty for Hamilton, in my opinion. He can probably afford a DNF now and still win, what with the advantage Mercedes will have on the remaining circuits. Singapore was a must win for Vettel.


Even though I admire Vettel as a driver and as a person I was happy to see that his usual tactic of squeezing at the start cost him dearly today. But I think it’s still too early to assume Hamilton will walk to the championship now, anything can happen, as we saw today.


Six races to go and Ferrari reliability has not struck yet. From six of them, Mercedes can win all. 28 points advantage and the best car in the field, how on Earth one expects Mercedes to lose the titles. I don’t see it.


Well, Alan, it is not beyond the realms of possibility for this scenario to be repeated with Merc on the receiving end instead of Ferrari. A brief moment of brain fade from either Merc driver could cause it, though it is more likely to be Bottas.
As some old politician said once: events, dear boy, events !!!!

Hamilton’s got one hand on the trophy, but he has to get that other hand on it before the fat lady sings.

alexander supertramp

Well at least Seb’s engine spared some mileage!But it was a big hit as well, so who knows which components (gearbox, engine) have been compromised.


I thought he might take a gearbox penalty next race as well, but forgot that as he retired he can take a new gearbox anyway. As for the engine, who knows?


Yes new gearbox, which would need do all the remaining races.

Hamilton’s gearbox is on its 6th race in Malaysia, while Bottas’ is on its 5th race there.


Exactly. I’m shocked to see that Vettel had been even in the hunt for as long as he did. Look at the qualifying result, 10-4!!! So, unless Mercedes is due some serious penalties or reliability issue, both championships should be wrapped up before the final race. I still enjoyed this season more than the last three. Just to see a different car is refreshing. To me it goes to show how good of a driver Rosberg was as he took so many poles and wins away from Hamilton. Bottas on the other hand just sitting in that car and pressing buttons like a video game. No wonder Hamilton loves him so much.


This is Bottas’ first year in the car, and he is probably facing a Lewis who seems to be a lot more focused than he seemed to be during periods of the Rosberg partnership. On the other hand, when Bottas has beaten Lewis, he has done so convincingly- which Rosberg did pretty much only when Lewis didn’t have his head in the game.

Let’s not forget how badly Lewis was beating Nico until he wrapped up the championship in Austin 2015. That’s a more accurate reflection of how Nico stacked up to Lewis when Lewis was properly focused- and he didn’t do much better than Bottas is doing against a focused Lewis this year, if any better.

The only teammate who has properly shown he can hang with a 100% focused Lewis over a season is Alonso- and Lewis even had the championship in hand with a race to go against him in 2007, before the disasters that ensued in China and Brazil.

Bottas is acquiting himself pretty well in terms of his rank in the overall scheme of things. He genuinely had Lewis beat on pace throughout the weekend three times this year- which is a very difficult thing to do- and he’s demonstrated quite some class with the wins he had in holding of a charging Vettel. I would say he is at least as good as Rosberg- maybe even better.

Lewis is just that good. To be honest, the only guy I could see beating him in a straight-up fight at the moment as a teammate when he is motivated is Ricciardo, who has the race pace and mental strength to make life difficult for him. Verstappen is too erratic, Vettel would lose his mind over Lewis’ pace (like he did with Ricciardo), and Alonso would almost surely get beaten way to regularly in qualifying (which has never been his strong suit in the first place- he, who was matched by Jarno Trulli when they were at Renault).


There have been 7 rain affected races since 2015, and Lewis Hamilton has won all of them! He is without doubt the pre-eminent wet weather specialist of the last 10 years.

I actually think Singapore 2017 will go down as one of his great wet weather performances. Like Silverstone 2015 or Brazil 2016, every time The Big Man Upstairs opens the heavens and soaks the track, Hammy is able to find grip and balance that his peers struggle to.

alexander supertramp

For a driver as aggressive as Hamilton, his nimble and subtle style in the wet is quite remarking. He’s a master in the wet, marching a tightrope like Philippe Petit on wheels. The track, the wheels, the throttle..evrything in synch with minimal steering input. He’s not fighting the car, he lets it glide gently, seemingly in control at all times.


It astonishes me that there are many who still don’t rate Lewis. Another masterclass display today in the wet. He dominated the race after the first lap chaos. Ricciardo who had the faster car all weekend could not keep up. But what really was amazing and everyone missed and neglected, Ricciardo pitted for fresh inters and Lewis was still faster and continued building a gap on his old inters! A 10 second lead to Ricciardo before they pitted for slicks! Its these races with variable conditions that separates the best from the rest. Others – Brazil 2016, Silverstone 2008. I rate Seb very highly, but Lewis and Alonso are on another planet compared to him.

Like it or not, Lewis is a legend of the sport. In 15/20 years, people will be remembering him as we remember the past legends (Senna, Schumacher & etc) today.


I would suggest that you read the after race reports to ascertain the facts relative to the disparity between Ricciardo and Hamilton.


Before Ricciardo had the gearbox problem, though, Lewis was much quicker. That gearbox problem didn’t emerge until lap 15- and even so, Ricciardo had the measure of Bottas on pace.


Bottas was well off Hamilton’s pace all weekend

Very different story from Rosberg last year!


He’s struggled to match lewis since the summer break


Thank you, I did. Ricciardo said his gearbox issue didn’t have a bearing on his pace.


On the result, not his pace. 2 different things.


There’s to many ifs and buts with this.
At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter who’s fault it is. All 3 drivers could have done things a bit different to avoid this accident. All 3 drivers didn’t do what they did just because they wanted to take each other out. They were battling it out…. racing each other…

This is why I voted “racing incident”.

As for Lewis… drive of a world champion….. simple👍🏻


Vettel had the right to squeeze Max. Kimi moved over/began to squeeze, then hit Max. Vettel didn’t hit Max or vice versa. It was all Kimi. Kimi still had space to the left but tried to put the freighters Max.

It was all the shambles of Ferrari management. Giving Kimi another year to be number 2 to the 5th fastest driver.

Get the best drivers! Alonso, Max, Danny Ric, Lewis and even a few other would have more points now than Vettel/Kimi. Sure Vettel has ability but he’s another baby of Newey the king maker.


That’s interesting as he’s previously not been as open as that about errors in 2016; he previously suggested that he lost the championship mainly due to reliability issues, rather than mistakes and this marks a new shift

A bit of an aside here, but I am a big fan of your books, especially A Quest For Redemption, so here’s my wishlist.
I’d love to see you do a book on the last three years at Mercedes, how Rosberg out-qualified Lewis in 2014 but lost, was blown away in 2015, yet came back much stronger in 2016, and how Hamilton has handled all that. With your insights it would sure make for interesting read, and if you ever do it, you can pencil me in for the first copy.



I’m very time poor these day and books eat time

Maybe later on


Whenever you decide to, will wait for it.


Could aveli ghost write it for you? That would be entertaining…


Or Sebee? Just mention V8s or EVs and Sebee would have it finished in five minutes flat 🙂


Random, the readers might notice that all ten chapters were exactly the same though…..


Only ten Tim? 😉


Sebee? An album AND a book in the same year?


I vote this “Joke at Sebee’s expense”, best in this sequence.


Random, ten very, very,very long chapters…..


He has got away with it again.
Ferrari International Adjustment .
Once again helps Vettel out.
Max is 100% right Vettel cut across.
A similar thing that happened when he was at Red Bull. When he took out Webber. Webber reckons Vettel doesn’t realise his car doesn’t end at his cockpit. He must realise there is alot more car behind him.
Eddie Jordan said it’s Vettels fault as did Coultard. Around the paddock it Vettel at fault.
But he gets away again and again.
Baku he got away with the swipe on Lewis .
Poor judgement from Piero and his merry Ferrari loving Stewards.


I think you have this back to front. Judgements over many years show a Ferrari bias, and if the penalty for pulling alongside Hamilton and steering into him, was a gentle slap on the wrist, would he have got a meaningful penalty here ?
But he made a move which was hard but legitimate, and most days no harm would have come of it. He couldn’t see Kimi on the other side of Max.


Yeah but does it matter? A lack of judgement may not deserve a penalty when zero points seems to be enough to me.


Wrong mate, the decision was right, nothing would have happened if Kimi was not there. Nobody could have predicted it 100%. Your fancy boy is no saint either. But you care of others only.


Alan, but Kimi WAS there! His presence turned a pointless and clumsy move into a race ending one.


Reminds me or the shoemaker days, he could get away with murder


It’s Schumacher, and you mistook him for SENNA, who had no problem trying to kill other drivers on track (with never any sanction from FIA)


It’s Schumacher, and you mistook him for SENNA, who had no problem trying to kill other drivers on track (with never any sanction from FIA)


I think I have figured out Alonso’s woes. If he thinks he lost a podium today, able to hold off RIC and BOT he’s dreaming. So if he’s dreaming why not say he lost the win. He doesn’t dream big enough!


During Ted Kravitz’s PaddockTalk, he did say that Alonso said he could have won today. I think he misquoted him, but y’never know.


That was really childish, poor Fernando. First, he had to beat the three winners today in a weaker car to get a podium.


Alan, he was ahead of Ricciardo and Bottas when he got taken out.


Today’s race was a great reminder that luck, good and bad, plays a big role in the grand scheme of things. Hamilton would have been 5th at best without the turn one incident which all came down to Raikonnen getting a phenomenal start. So a guy gets a great start and probably would have led out of turn one but the great start turns out to be his demise. Stuff happens sometimes. In any case F1 standing starts have to be the most electrifying moment in all of sports and today showed why.


i disagree..lewis pace in the wet/damp was good enough to win the race.
the ferrari was terrible in the rain 2 weeks ago in quali,so i think only max could have stopped lewis from winning yesterday if those ahead of lewis hadnt of crashed.

alexander supertramp

Makes no sense. For one Hamilton jumped Danny at the start, so he was already looking at p4 – even without the Ferrari strike. Add to that that it was wet (Hamilton forte) and highly unpredicatable and you have to conclude that everything -win included- was on the cards for Hamilton once God started p*ssing on the track.


Robert, Lewis had already overtaken Ricciardo at the start, and could have got Verstappen as well, so would have been fourth at worst without Seb’s swerve.


Luck came Lewis’ way and he repaid with a masterful drive. Could of been a different story had it not been for Vettel cutting left and for Raikkonens blistering take off


Too bad for the racing incident at the start. May have been a fun race to watch if more challengers at the front. Vettels move to the racing line was similar to many other races where the pole man bogged down and tried to cover, impossible for him to have known Raikonnen was steaming in so quickly with those vestigial bits labelled as mirrors. Verstappen can’t get a break this year!


Exactly my sentiments, there should be no blame, just an unfortunate incident. Just like to add….if Hamilton fell in the lake he would come up with his pockets full of fish


Hamilton couldn’t believe his luck after the start of the Singapore Grand Prix.


The blame rested largely with Vettel, who was inexplicably reckless in trying to shut off Verstappen, a figure of no significance in the larger battle he was waging with Hamilton.

— Oliver Brown, The Telegraph

Hamilton had spooked Vettel into making a total dog’s breakfast of the start. He made his own luck.

Both drivers faced completely unknown conditions, but Vettel for no reason defended against Max when he should have backed off and played for points.

Hamilton by contrast mastered the start and the wet race conditions, leading the pack into unknown track conditions without a singe mistake.

Truly one of the best drives of his career and one of the best drives in F1 history.


Si,…Oh Please!
Lewis can drive and stick pins in his Seb voodoo doll as well??


I guess you will have read JA’s analysis of the start incident by now – interesting that he cites one of the reasons for Vettel’s apparent determination to cut off Verstappen so forcibly was a desire to maintain his lead – due to his concern about Hamiltons likely form in the wet. Remember Hamilton has won 7 of the last 8 wet races (I think I’m right in saying that)and the one he didn’t win he started from the pit lane and still made the podium. Maybe you owe Si an apology 🙂


Do not underestimate the psychological pressure drivers face.

Hamilton has in the past been criticised for being susceptible to these kinds of pressures, and even undisputed great Michael Schumacher succumbed on occasion.

Vettel was spooked. Otherwise, he would have had the judgement not to squeeze Max quite so aggressively.


Don’t forget also tweeting while racing 😉


Random, everything except steering wheel resets on Baku!😂


One of the best drives in F1 history? When most of the challengers infront of you crash out because of a racing incident and you inherit the lead on a street circuit? When your nearest remaining challenger has a gearbox issue? What a laugh.


Well, I don’t think the drive was among the very best, but it was a very good drive considering:

a) The wet conditions,
b) Perhaps the strongest driver at Singapore- Ricciardo- was still in the race, and
c) is a very good wet weather driver and had arguably the best car.

Granted, Ricciardo did start having gearbox problems around lap 15. But when they ran laps under green in the wet before that on the same tires, Lewis was notably quicker. Ricciardo couldn’t really even keep up on a lap of new Inters versus Lewis on old Inters before the gearbox problems on the Red Bull.

Lewis’ pace in the wet was absolutely mighty, and his drive was quality stuff. But honestly, it wasn’t even his best drive of the season; outdueling Seb in Barcelona and Spa was more impressive.


Ha ha, what a surprise! Lkfe and Cheesypoof don’t think Lewis did anything worthy of note! Truly I am flabbergasted by this turn of events…..


You’re flabbergasted? but never silent. What a gift.


I don’t doubt you would just love it if I temained silent Cheesypoof, but in my opinion the more extreme views displayed on this site deserve to be challenged.


This one’s for Gaz Boy … GB, Lewis’ win rate is now the highest it’s ever been. He took his 8th win – from 27 Grands Prix – at the 2008 German GP, and so had a win rate of 29.63%. He’s now taken 60 wins for 202 GP’s, for a win rate of 29.70%.


Hamilton “previously suggested that he lost the [2016] championship mainly due to reliability issues, rather than mistakes and this marks a new shift.”

Hamilton has not changed his position. He did lose the championship mainly due to reliability issues. He’s now just making the point that he could have won the championship in spite of the reliability issues, if he could have avoided more mistakes.


You know James had to have a dig. Rather unfortunate considering Hamilton still won most of the races in 2016. He lost by 4 point but lost 25 due to a blow out. Considering he lost out at Belgium as well. These so called “experts” and “ex-drivers” from the British isles bemuse me. Clear dislike for Hamilton’s success. They have been pushing that narrative for years. Constantly questioning his emotional state, accusing him of tiredness when he clearly wasn’t. The character assassination agenda is rather unfortunate.


What was the Ferrari start observer doing, asleep at the wheel (radio)? To Vettel “don’t squeeze left” , not that hard really.


Do they have such a role ! I thought, the drivers would much rather be all by themselves for the first 2-3 corners. In case of the mid-pack drivers, may be for the entire first lap.


Gary, do F1 drivers have spotters like in American racing? If they don’t, maybe they should…


Many would read it that Hamilton just admitted that at least some of the
“mechanical issues” were in fact caused by his mistakes. The fact is driver’s “mistakes” very often result in “mechanical issues”.


Uh what?! That is an absurd and laughable connection to make! I hope you don’t make similar leaps of logic in your everyday life, as it would be a recipe for disaster.


Gary, many would be wrong. MGUH insulation can’t be damaged by the driver (China and Russia qualifying), and Lewis was cruising to victory with a comfortable lead in Malaysia with everything turned down when his brand new engine failed.


Or James’ intimations that multiple mathematically impossible mechanical breakdowns happen because the driver attends fashion week.


It was a bit of both.


IF, James Allison lives up to his hype as the brilliant TD, you would have to think the 90 win mark will fall in the 2020 season. This Mercedes W08 looks like there were some preseason technical shortfall due to the Paddy Lowe decision and the loss of the sophisticated suspension. I have to think Aldo Costa and his team have been working overtime to restore some of that advantage for the next year. So with a car I expect to be a much better all round performer (which I believe is another James Allison hallmark) Lewis has to be thinking this is all very doable.

Let us also not forget, apart form Nico’s pole in Japan last year, Lewis dominated every race after Singapore in 2016 so it is not impossible he could sweep the rest of this season. I suspect Malaysia and Japan will determine the rest of the season for Ferrari. If Mercedes run the table, Sergio Marchionne may wind down the challenge well before Abu Dhabi.


I think Ferrari has a shot in Malaysia because of the heat, but both Malaysia and Japan are theoretically Mercedes tracks- which is the case all the way to Mexico City.

Interlagos looks like a Ferrari track with the tight middle sector, and the tight third sector in Abu Dhabi could give Mercedes some real headaches. But the championship may be over before it even gets to this.


It does sometime rain at interlagos though. If dry maybe, but even then, if hamilton is second or third,which is highly likely, ferrari and vettel are still looking at well, a beating. This is why the win and at singapore was so crucial.


Mercedes big problem is not just tight corners, but corners put excessive heat in the tires which hurts their performance. This behavior is more pronounced on the ultrasoft compound. Yesterday under cooler temperatures on the ultrasoft compound, Lewis was able to keep the performance window very consistent. Even accounting for Red Bulls gearbox issue, Lewis performance compared to the Red Bull was exceptional. Malaysia, Japan and Brazil will be supersoft and soft compounds. The US, Mexico and Abu Dhabi will be ultrasoft and supersoft compounds. The challenge for Mercedes will be to find a solution by the time they get to COTA or hope fall temperatures are mild in Austin.


Good pint at the end, there. I think Ferrari need to consider the benefits of shifting to 2018 sooner rather than later.

Perhaps a bit early since it’s only 28 points, but realistically Mercedes are probably going to be stronger on nearly every remaining track.


Well I think the big loss was Rossberg for Mercedes. They didn’t have anyone decent to test drive cause Hamilton don’t do that.


@jdr, you need to wake up from those pills you’ve been taking. It must feel really painful to see Lewis win. You despise him but try be objective. Mercedes are leading the constructors championship as well as Drivers. So I really don’t understand your bitterness. Suck it up.


Decisive weekend.


The championship is done, today Ferrari lost any chance to get on top.
Hamilton realistically can win all races equalling Vettel’s record of 9 races in a row, and 4 driver championships.
With a slim chance to win this year anyways, still Vettel can only blame himself for losing it so early in the year. Baku missed opportunity, Monza and especially Singapore are massive and costly blunders. He gifted his slim chances to a Hamilton that is gonna inflate his ego to unbearable levels. But that is life. Hope James you will spare us keeping his picture all winter on your web site. Two years ago that was just too much for people that dislike this guy.


How was Monza a missed opportunity ? please elaborate on this because from what i seen Ferrari were spanked proper in front of the Tifosi


Maybe you should go elsewhere if you don’t like his picture.


hamilton drove like the best of all time. avoiding errors and doing what he had to do to win the maximum number of points.
vettel was certainly at fault but his defence was that he didn’t see raikkonen gaining position on the inside. i hope he learned from that. he’s had quite a few lessons in the last couple of races. learned about slip streaming in monza and now this.
as for schumacher’s win record, it’s 31 races away still far away. we may start talking about that when he’s 5 wins away.


Karma! Baku at you Vettel! He has done that a number of times, On Button at Suzuka, Webber in Turkey come to mind. You can say many things about Lewis , but he is not a dirty driver. He is outstanding sportsmen and plays fair. He will deserve to win this championship.


Hamilton is dirty too. Not so much this year. He swung like that in one race this year but the track was dry.


Yes jdr, that is why he doesn’t have accidents. I mean straws come to mind. Vettel swears and does all those unsavoury things but you can’t accept your driver lost it. Try being objective.


I think many people misunderstood my comment. To be a winner you can’t cut anybody slack.

I think there must be some kind of rivalry between Vettel and Max V cause Vettel wasn’t going to let by at any cost.

But let me clear I used the word dirty because someone said that about Vettel. I’m no fan of Vettel but off the race track he probably ain’t that bad. I like Hamilton on the race track. Who knows what any are like off the track.

If someone pulls a move that looks dirty but is still legal well that is racing.

Hamilton has forced people off track but Vettel has caused some accidents. Hamilton and others play mind games. This has been going on for some time probably since the first two cars were invented.



Disappointed that even you are attributing blame largely to Vettel.
Verstappen’s onboard camera shows Vettel comfortably ahead, with plenty of space between them before Raikkonen torpedoed in on Max, got tapped on rear and collected Vettel in the process.


Kimi is in front. Why would he go over to the painted lines and compromise turn 1??


In hindsight I think all 3 of them probably would do something different, except maybe Kimi. Looking from the front view, he doesn’t appear to misjudge space at all – Seb pushes Max across who collects Kimi who is hugging the wall and going straight (and is in front).
Personally I would say it is more Seb’s fault than anyone, but stewards who know much more than I do put it down as a racing incident… so a racing incident it is.
A huge shame for the championship battle and a monumental shame for the spanish ninja with the 3-legged donkey in the back of his car. Would’ve loved to see Fernando on the podium


In hindsight I think all 3 of them probably would do something different, except maybe Kimi. Looking from the front view, he doesn’t appear to misjudge space at all – Seb pushes Max across who collects Kimi who is hugging the wall and going straight (and is in front).
Personally I would say it is more Seb’s fault than anyone, but stewards who know much more than I do put it down as a racing incident… so a racing incident it is.
A huge shame for the championship battle and a monumental shame for the spanish ninja with the 3-legged donkey in the back of his car. Would’ve loved to see Fernando on the podium


You might not like that viewpoint, but can you understand why most people feel that way? They can’t all hate Vettel. I think it was a racing incident, but if anyone was culpable it was Vettel. To squeeze like that after a bad start is instantly risky. It’s borderline reckless when it’s wet and it’s harder to see where everyone is at.


@KRB. Exactly.



“if anyone was culpable it was Vettel.” This is correct.

But what was he thinking? He’s knows (or should know) that its only himself and Lewis who are now competing for the WDC. Why, therefore, do anything which has risk attached to it especially in the run-down to the first corner where there is usually a high probability of contact and/or collisions occurring. Perhaps he felt he was going to lose a place to Verstappen and in desperation tried to cut him off and yes he may not have known where Kimi was. But one rash decision may have cost him the race and the championship. You expect a bit more from a 4 x WDC. His repeated apologies over the team radio was like a confession.


@ KRB…if you watch the start in ‘slomo’ you’ll see Verstappen turn in to his right towards vettel! What do you make of this tactic?


I dont mind criticizing Vettel when it is his fault and has never shied away from it. But see the replays from Verstappen and Raikkonen’s onboard and then speak.

Vettel was nowhere near Max when it happened. There was plenty of space between them. Kimi had a gr8 start, got overexcited and misjudged the gap between him and Max and when steered slightly to the right.


There is far too much light-reflecting spray ahead of Max’ onboard for me to tell what happened, while Kimi’s onboard makes it look like he steers wildly across, Max’ nose.

Only the overhead angle, and the helpful gif above, show the true picture.

Roll the “Italian sandwich”. Great quote!


Maybe I shouldn’t trust my lying eyes, but Versloppin was behind Vettel with plenty of space when he (Versloppin) drifted left just as Kimi was passing him and clipped Kimi’s rear tie, rotating Kimi into Vettel. I mean I played the video again and again.


I mean I played the video again and again.

I would say keep playing it back then.

Versloppin?? Really now?


Yeah actually having seen it, I think I have to agree that he has his fair share of the blame. Maybe he didn’t see Kimi there- which gives him a slight “I was trying to avoid Vettel” excuse- bit he clearly did not just hold station and could have.

In the end, sloppy driving by all three.


There’s nothing wrong with your eyes. I have now reached the same conclusion after watching countless replays.


Yeah that move would have worked with one car but not 2 and was not necessary as Mercedes was too far back.

As it is now the WCC is probably not going to happen for Ferrari. The WDC is also over 1 race win with 6 to go but Hamilton could get a DNF you never know.


The start incident I would call a “racing incident… which was primarily instigated by Vettel.” From pole position and with almost a car length on Max, Vettel is entitled to use the width of the track and try to control the entry into the first corner, but in doing so he is relying on one one being on the inside, which obviously Kimi was. It was just an unnecessary move, but I have no doubt that a combination of a tight WDC fight, the expectation that he needed to win this GP in order to wrestle momentum back in the title race, the mind games (half joking, I’m sure) from everyone else saying that with Max alongside anything was possible, and the pre-race shower… all heaped the pressure on Vettel to make sure that he got out of the first corner still in the lead. The strain of fighting for the WDC showed today. When you are racing with a WDC on the line you absolutely MUST drive differently than if your main goal is to just win the race. I think Hamilton has matured to the point that he has learnt this lesson, and he has had noticeably fewer flash incidents this year, but it seems that Seb still has to work on the aspect.



Bit belated on my part but your comments regarding Vettel not being able to handle the pressure of the situation are well articulated and spot on.


People blaming Vettel for this incident are either so biased or havent seen the onboard footage from Verstappen’s car.

I initially thought Vettel squeezed Verstappen and he had nowhere to go.
But Verstappen’s onboard camera puts that to rest conclusively. While Vettel did move to the left, he was comfortably ahead of Verstappen and there was plenty of space between them. It was Raikkonen who misjudged the space between wall and Verstappen, got tapped on his rear by Verstappen and collected Vettel in the process.
100% fault lies with Raikkonen. He had a gr8 start. But he totally misjudged the space.
Again, please please watch the footage from Verstappen’s onboard. It’s pretty clear.
All Vettel haters out there- Don’t know why you still want to pin the blame on that guy. He is out of the WDC. Your guy won.


Seriously, what are you on? 🙂

I am rooting for Seb for the championship, and I am not a Vettel hater.

Yet, if at all, there is any blame to be made – I repeat, if at all, it has to lie with Seb. This was the kind of swerve, that Micheal got away with many times. Yesterday, it went awry for Seb.

Seb was just plain unfortunate. and so were Max and Kimi. If only Seb started moving to the right, just a tiny bit earlier, he was sure to be P1 into T1. Kimi would have shielded him from any further attacks. Alas, he took it a bit too far and discounted Kimi making a blindingly fast start (That’s been a rarity too).

Peace !! 🙂

It ain’t over till the fat lady sings … Seb can still win the championship. I’ve been watching for 22 years now and strange things happens in the last quarter 🙂


Agreed that its premature to be writing off Vettel…I am a Ham fan but still think Vettel might clinch it….


I think the reason people lay most of the blame to Vettel is because of his aggressive movement across the track to squeeze Max and ultimately Kimi.

It’s the first wet night race, all the drivers have very little experience of racing in the wet there, Your championship rival is 5th and being a wet race there will be lots of opportunities on strategy, safety cars etc.

It does not make a lot of sense to pull such an aggressive move. I realise that the main factor why Max and Kimi had the initial contact because of Vettels move, but just imagine that Vettel was further to the right and near to the racing line. Max and Kimi make contact, Vettel would be unaffected.

Kimi can’t go further to the left, putting any wheels onto paint in the wet is a serious no no. If you’ve ever raced you will understand why Max doesn’t hit the brake pedal and back out of it. There is a serious risk he inadvertently brake tests the guy behind who goes into him (it’s wet) and he’s out of the race anyway.

It was an error of judgement on Vettels part to risk so much whilst in a commanding position in the race and challenging for the WDC. He set into sequence the chain of events that led to the crash and therefore when apportioning blame most of it has to lie with him.

Nevertheless he did not make the initial contact which is why he’s not been given a penalty and why it’s gone down as a racing incident which is what it was.


If Kimi was 100% at fault a penalty would have been given. Stop being Silly.


Just made a gif telling the story as is…i hope the animation works.


@dasmaven, unfortunately, there’s too much optical foreshortening. You can’t see that there’s actually room for Max to have ducked in behind Seb.


Kenc, but you can see how easy it would have been for Seb to give him some room…,


Excellent GIF that sums it up nicely – they really should do something to stop these aggressive swerves at the start. One shame is that Kimi got a blinder that was totally unrewarded.


This angle reveals a lot about Raikkonen’s involvement in the accident. He must not have seen Vettel moving until it was already too late to give Verstappen any space, because he had one and a half car widths to his left.


You can’t drive on paint in the wet, not if you want to have any control at least.


Exactly my thought, I think Kimi not only wanted to stay off the wet paint lines but also stay clear off the wet trail along the paint lines. I am a Kimi fan but he is not the most talented driver when it comes to wet conditions. Kimi just tried to stay in straight line.

And we have to give it to the Redbull boys because all the post qualifying psych talk from Max and Rici got to Vettel’s head. He focused too much on the mini battle with Max which I am sure has made him loose his 2017 title war against Hamilton.

Hamilton and Ricciardo were the smartest during the start as they were being aware of their surroundings. I thought even Alonso was not being too smart either, he was almost nose diving into Ver (even if Ver was not hit by Rai) whereas Ric backed off to asses the situation and got saved.


Well, it’s a tough call. Do you move if it avoids a crash? Particularly if it involves your team mate? The fact is, he didn’t move over at all and he had space to the paint. I’m not blaming Raikkonen for the crash, only pointing out a different dimension to the incident.


Thing is, watch from Kimi’s onboard. He probably has no idea Vettel is hurtling across the track towards him, his view is totally blocked by Max’s car and he sits a lot lower than the TV camera. He drives in a straight line and has some space to Max on his right so there is no reason for him to take to the slippery paint and have no chance to brake enough for turn 1.

If Max had backed off slightly it’s likely Vettel would have wiped Kimi out directly anyway – such was the pace of him veering across the track. It’s almost like he was playing Mariokart and had found some naughty shortcut!

Vettel lost the start and basically had a desperate lunge across the track to nip ahead of Vettel – or squeeze him onto the aforementioned paint which is very slippery and basically hadn’t accounted for Kimi being on Max’s left and therefore with nowhere to go.


unless you are Fernando Alonso, of course. Even then, it proved dangerous 🙂


Nice work dasmaven.
If it looks like an italian sandwich, and it smells like an italian sandwich….


I saw the footage and don’t agree that Vettel was comfortably ahead of MV. Now on a dry track I would say that but I think he tried to get back too much at once after a poor start.

Really you can’t lay blame there either as he for sure didn’t see KR and the fact wet starts haven’t happened for a while and never there since it came back 10 years ago.

He should have taken the outside line and then he would have most likely won.

In fact Riccardo would have won if Hamilton didn’t pit 1 lap later or maybe not because of his gearbox issues.

Heck I thought no one could win from fifth. Hamilton had lots of pure luck.


Hamilton had some luck for sure, but he also had some influence on the outcome of the first corner. Look at the start again. He gets a good launch and then stays right out the outside, out of trouble and away from other cars. Sebastian could have done the same, but instead decided to cut off Max, which is a much more high-risk move.


I don’t understand your comments sometimes. But I get where you are coming from. I did leave a comment earlier about what I think happened. In the end, it was a racing incident.


I don’t shy away from criticism of any driver. Vettel’s getways have been terrible this season compared to Hamilton who has had perfect getaways at start and safety car restarts and I have always felt that this was going to make the difference this season.

But in this particular instance, Vettel was not at fault. He defended his position, like any racing driver would do, left plenty of space between him and Verstappen. But all the commentators and english journalists are hell bent on proving that he’s at fault somehow. It was a racing incident. But if anyone was at fault, it was Raikkonen, who completely misjudged Max’s position when he steered slightly to the right. Ferrari was also wrong in blaming Verstappen.

No matter how much James deny that there is no bias in the coverage by the english media.I have always noted that they are always trigger happy in appropriating blame to the German drivers like Rosberg and Vettel.
This is really unfortunate.



Kimi was driving a Ferarri, not Thunderbird One!

There is no way that Kimi’s nose would have sliced into Vettel’s car, if Seb had not steered so far across the track, whether he was entitled to, or not.

Three-to-four way incident is mostly down to Seb, as can be seen by the sheer distance he covers to join the fun.

Max and Kimi did subtle manouvres in comparison, and while their coming together would still have been a T-bone, Seb is who turned it into an apparently historic double lap one retirement for Ferarri.


Yeah, they’re also really biased against Venezuelans, they were always blaming Maldonado for crashes.


Kimi could have won a couple of races this year, its a great shame that he is so unlucky. He does not have the consistency any more, but still shows some flashes of his old magic. It was a brilliant start just as Alonso´s, these guys would deserve some more luck.


These guys certainly do.


If you really had to blame someone, I guess it would have to be Vettel, but really this was just a racing/start incident. I don’t see how Vettel could be expected to know that Kimi was right up the inside.

Just a racing incident and a shame for the championship, but I still predict this will go to the wire. Form ebbs and flows and Mercedes and Hamilton are yet to have a proper disaster.


well lewis was having problems getting the us tyres to work earlier in the season,that was hurting him in the championship,,obviously thats no longer a problem.lewis in all conditions now looks very strong.


Yeah, at this rate, I think Lewis will have this wrapped up before Abu Dhabi. The next four races are Mercedes circuits- with a proviso on the heat in Malaysia- and it really favors Lewis having a 25+ point cushion coming out of Interlagos.

The only thing I can see Ferrari being able to do to get Vettel back in this thing is to deliver a step in the power unit very soon that is big enough to get Seb on terms in qualifying- but even then, he will probably have to take an PU penalty.

That, or Mercedes would have to have mechanical failure- which they very well may, but they have really been on top of their game in terms of reliability on Lewis’ side, much like they were in 2015.


I respect your analysis of Bottas, Rosberg and Bottas comparison. I do disagree in a few areas. If I had time I’d point out my cases to you. I’ll still leave a couple of points. I’m not questioning how good Lewis is. And the argument about Ham being better than or as good Alonso and Vettel is a measurement that be explained many ways. One way is your way. I can counter that saying that he never had to drive a bad car. Majority of his life he drove a championship winning car. But this debate is not the one I raised. This will never go away. In regards to Rosberg-Bottas comparisons, being focused is the probably the number 1 criteria of being a F1 driver. With that many wins Rosberg took, and your argument is Hamilton’s focus, makes him the worst driver in history, which you and I both know is not true. That’s the problem I have with some Hamilton fan. When he loses, it’s always something to do with his focus or bad car or something to say that it’s not his fault for some reason. The other thing bugs me that they have no idea how to pay complements to anyone that beats Hamilton. E.G.: this year Vettel single handily kept Ferrari in the championship for as long as he did. Look the points difference in WCC and pole results to prove that. But I can’t recall one comment to admit that fact. So, I hope you get my point. But as I said, I respect your analysis. I love these debates, I just disagree based on the facts I gathered.


Strange how the poll indicates most think Vettel is at fault. I think it was an unfortunate racing incident with the Ferrari drivers blameless, and just a tiny fault to Max for overreacting to what was the normal move from the pole sitter. Seb only edged over gradually, hardly the normal swerve. And it wasn’t like Max was alongside, forcing him to move, he was trying to avoid the spray without looking to his left. Understandable, but still avoidable if he had looked. Kimi was of course faultless unless you want to blame him for a great start.


KenC. Wheels interlocked with Kimi, can’t go left, can’t go right, can’t back off.


Vettel narrowed the track. He limited the options available to Verstappen and Raikkonen, and set up the crash. The crash itself was a racing incident, though.


Strange only that more people didn’t say it was a racing incident. Of the three drivers Kimi made a great start, and that was really the cause of the incident. If he had made a poor getaway max would have a space to move into. Max was caught in a sandwich, drawing alongside Seb and Kimi drawing alongside him. His only “avoiding” option was to brake which would have carried a danger of being hit from behind. If all three cars had held their line everything would have been find but Seb’s swerve brought it about. Should he have been punished for it – it’s a moot point because as a Ferrari driver he’s exempt – but I’d say the move itself was on the right side of OK, because you can’t say everyone must sat straight off the start – VET can’t be blamed for RAI being the space he thought he was pushing VER into.


I agree it is a racing incident however, Vettel started the chain of events by defending aggressively which he is allowed to do. He knew it was Max there so although Max could have backed off it was unlikely. Kimi actually may have had an extra foot of space which he could have moved to but it would have ruined his line into the corner.


I agree it is a racing incident but for me the chain of events starts with Vettel, if you watch the start again he come over quite fast and a long way over. He was absolutely allowed to do so but knowing it was Max there he was taking a big risk with his championship.
Max could have backed off, but we all, including Seb, know that wouldn’t happen.
Kimi had a blistering start and really had nowhere to go and he was too far forward to back off.


The problem was that Max was squeezed so hard there was literally nothing he could have done. If he backed off, it probably would have meant both Kimi and Vettel would have rammed him with their rear tires- and it may have been an even bigger mess than it was.

The Ferrari drivers were just too aggressive at the start- both of them. They took way too high of a risk given how wet it was at the time.


My take on it is that the Ferrari drivers misunderstood the objective to “try the pincer move on Red Bull” during the strategy briefing.


Poll question is missing option 4 for an answer to be fair.

#4 It was a racing incident.

I picked Vettel as I think it was instigated by him having a slow start, doesn’t mean that Vet was to blame. It’s just an unfortunate incident that most likely will decide the championship outcome. Nevertheless, life is pretty good for any of these drivers. No point feeling sorry for anyone.


I half expected there to be a “Lewis to blame” option….


Jake, would have got more votes than Vettel….


Agreed! lol


It was a racing incident, but one that was caused by Seb’s aggressive, high-risk move. He is fighting for a championship, the other two aren’t. That was lap 1, and with so much to lose, I suspect he will be ruing that move.


Kimi was equally to blame. I don’t know what he thought he was going to accomplish trying to outbrake Verstappen into turn one that far too the inside on a wet circuit.

Wet starts on such a narrow circuit are not the time to be the hero. Be as safe as you can, and anything you get on top is a bonus. As Bono said yesterday, the key is to get the car home in one piece.


Everyone should just cut the crap! Everybody knows it was Vettel’s fault! He shouldn’t have put himself in that position in the first place! The stewards gave him a pass by not penalizing him! Maybe, to keep the championship alive??!!


@ Ken C…i happen to agree. What i hadn’t noticed up until now was that Verstappen moved to his right prior to straightening out!.


It was a racing incident (as the stewards rightly judged) but it was Vettel who started it by making the move on Verstappen.

So no he’s not at fault, but I imagine he’d be feeling a bit sheepish 🙂


KenC. I’m guessing, but maybe people watched the incident and based their judgement on who could have avoided it the easiest. Kimi could have moved to the left, but he didn’t have much room between himself and the wall, and this manoeuvre would have made it very difficult for him to take the up coming left hand turn. Seb had a huge amount of room to his right, and could easily have returned to the normal racing line and maybe retained the lead anyway. Max? Difficult to see where he could have gone, no room to the left, no room to the right, even backing off wouldn’t have worked as his wheels were interlocked with Seb’s, the only way is up?


@TimW, thanks for your response, but I think if you watch the replays carefully, you’ll realize that Max and Seb were not “interlocked”. Viewing the scene from the onboard camera makes everything appear closer than it really is. In fact, they were never even overlapped. Interlock means when the front wheels of the trailing car are in front of the rear wheels of the lead car. That was never the case.

Just think. Max touches the right rear of Kimi, turning him to the right, where Kimi’s right front wheel clouts Seb right in the sidepod radiator. This happens in an instant. Kimi was almost completely in front of Max, thus the touch on his right rear. Just a slight wheel overlap. Kimi is so far behind Seb, he can only clout him in the radiator. Factoring in angles of contact, etc, it’s pretty obvious that Seb was well clear of Max when the contacts happen. Viewing the scene from the onboard camera makes everything appear closer than it really is.

Max could have ducked in behind Seb, as is typical on race starts. That’s what the pole sitter is trying to get the 2nd car to do, but in this case, I think Max doesn’t want to ruin his visibility so he goes left into Kimi. Understandable, and an unfortunate racing incident as I think it could have been a great race with the Ferraris and Max.


Ken, Max and Kimi were definitely interlocked, this is why Kimi ran over Max’s front wheel. Max and Seb couldn’t have been interlocked as Seb was coming from to high an angle. I have just watched the replays again and I’m afraid it is bery clear what happened. Kimi goes to the inside and expects Max to move left in avoidance, Seb goes to the outside and expects Max to move right in avoidance, and the inevitable happens. Max simply had nowhere to go.


This is the first comment I’ve found that I agree with. A more experienced driver than Max might have held a straight line against Seb, or lifted a bit. If Max hadn’t seen Kimi at that stage, a small lift would have been an option to enter T1 in P2, not bad from P2 on the grid. Instead, he was a little spooked by Vettel and gave a little twitch left, which, as most people acknowledge, was the first contact. A very tight situation


Interesting to speculate if Verstappen had lifted a little would the two Ferraris have taken themselves out and left him to fight Hamilton( who would have taken the first corner in the lead) for a win?


@Witan, would have been interesting to see if Kimi could have slowed to make that turn without pulling a Schumi on Villeneuve.


@KenC – Crikey which car was Villeneuve driving?


It’s a feasible target. Let’s say he stays in form and doesn’t luck out, he could get another 3 or 4 wins in the remaining races and the championship for 2017. That would leave him 3 championships behind Schumacher still, with 4 or 5 years left (say). A huge ask to make up the gap to 7. Yet alone beat that number. But races he can whittle down. 27 behind, say, would mean two more good Mercedes years could drop that number down to close to 10. Then another 3 years for him to make up the rest, presuming he has a reasonable car. It’s doable. But… One thing Formula 1 is is unpredictable.


I think a minimum of 3 more wins should be expected from Lewis, barring intervention of events. The Suzuka-Mexico City slate of circuits is very much Mercedes territory: long flat-out sections, predominantly high-speed corners, much like the types of circuits where Mercedes has been most dominant this year (Monza, Silverstone, Montreal). Malaysia is theoretically this type of circuit as well, but I hedge a bit here because Merc have struggled with higher temperatures. Brazil seems like a certain Ferrari circuit with the tight middle sector, and Abu Dhabi’s third sector theoretically makes them very competitive there as well. In any event, he is very well positioned to win 10 races or more for four consecutive seasons- which is an absolutely stunning achievment by any standard, and will cement Lewis will a very unique and special place in F1 history.

I actually think that the 7 championships are more attainable for him than 91 wins. If Lewis locks up the championship this year he’ll be at 4. Mercedes still have the overall fastest car and aren’t going to fall behind in the last three years of the engine formula- not only have they shown they can successfully develop all areas of the car over the years of regulation when given the resources, but you can be sure they will be throwing everything they have over the next three years to get all of they can out of the remaining time of the engine formula that they have dominated. If Lewis pulls it off this year- which he has to be the favorite to do at this point- then one really has to consider him the favorite for the next three years running. Ferrari have reached a very competitive point and are better in particular areas, and I think they will certainly improve and eat into Lewis’ annual win total. But the bottom line is that they have not shown the speed to outqualify Mercedes consistently enough to beat them and have even failed to do so on circuits where their car characteristics had an advantage. It will be difficult for Ferrari to overturn this qualifying gap over the last three years of the engine formula, and there is no way Lewis is losing a championship if he’s given a faster car over a single lap unless it starts breaking down all the time or reverts back to 2013-levels of tire-chewing. I would even go as far as to say that chances are on that Lewis will stand with Michael on championships by the end of the decade and engine formula.


Hamilton’s been averaging 10 wins a season… If he keeps that up, he’ll easily catch Schumacher in 3 years for wins.

Winning 4 more championships is a bit of a stretch though. I could see him winning 2 more, or maybe 3– but 4 is a bit much.


Hamilton has the best opportunity for any driver for decades to come. The reasons are obvious,

“Regulations aren’t changing for another 3 years. So, Mercedes will continue to have the best car. And Hamilton is a great driver that understands this car better than his team mate. Then, his team mate is unlikely to take away many race wins from Him, but he will take points away from someone like Kimi. So, 60 races next 3 years & Ham will have a chance to win almost all of them. So, the target is very achievable.”

Now what Ferrari’s response will be to the Mercedes domination? We will have to wait till next year to find out. This year they stepped forward a lot, maybe next year they can get closer to the Mercedes.


I think the Ferrari car is better than the Merc this year…especially in following, tire wear, and flexibility on almost all tracks. Merc as they say is a ‘diva’ and needs a sweet spot. I see Ferrari leveled or surpassing Merc next year.


Maybe. Or history will repeat itself and this will be Vettel’s 1990, as Prost had before him. The Ferrari will fall away again next year, and Merc will have Red Bull to deal with instead.


James if Kimi had openly blamed Seb in the media is it possible Ferrari would have sacked him on the spot had he said anything that apportioned full blame to Seb? James I wonder this incident will affect Seb and Kimi’s relationship going forward-will Kimi be such a willing aide to SV’s WDC aspirations?


Always amuses me when people write about one team needing a DNF as is it is more likely that the leading team will have one. I’d suggest the next DNF is more likely to be from Ferrari as they run out of serviceable engine parts and have to throw the dice between grid penalties and the risk of using parts towards the end of their useable life.

It is also interesting to see the difference over the season – Ferrari starting with a near optimal design and being therefore unable to extract major gains over the season, and Mercedes who got committed to a design package that they could not deliver on (essentially missing weight targets for components that then compromised their setup) who have been able to claw back performance over the season.


Last year after Spa, Hamilton had less chances than Rosberg to suffer an engine failure. However…


Hi Ian,
Those are some nice points that you made keeping in mind the races to come. I am interested in knowing more about the technical side of things. Which sources do you refer to for such kind of info ?

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