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Comeback King Daniel Ricciardo says British F1 GP was ’10 out of 10 in terms of fun’ but how does he do it?
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Posted By: Editor   |  17 Jul 2017   |  5:25 pm GMT  |  150 comments

Red Bull’s Daniel Ricciardo continued a season of comebacks with another rapid recovery in the Formula 1 British Grand Prix, which he called ‘ten out of ten in terms of fun.’

While Ricciardo has made a few comebacks this season, none of them been remotely predictable, nor have they diminished the joy he derives from swilling champagne out of his sweaty shoes.

The 28-year-old was on a five-race podium streak before the British GP, where he finished fifth even having received a five-place grid-penalty which started him 19th.

His qualifying effort was severely hampered after a turbo-failure eliminated him from Q1, and thus he was tasked another uphill climb.

“I hope they showed a lot of that on TV,” said Ricciardo post-race as he made 11 of 32 overtakes during the race.

“I just felt like the whole race I was overtaking cars and I hope the fans enjoyed it.

“The whole race was a fight. I was coming through and then I made a really good restart [after the early safety car] – I got two cars by Turn 4 and then I was going for three,” he said.

Ricciardo finished behind team-mate Max Verstappen, who himself was in the running for a podium as both Ferraris suffered tyre-failures in the closing stages of the race but Verstappen had to pit late on as a precaution and lost his chance to stand on the rostrum.

Sebastian Vettel’s late front-tyre damage gave Ricciardo fifth, however, a place that was seemingly out of reach, and the Red Bull driver was elated as a result.

“I was probably a bit optimistic on the outside of [Romain] Grosjean and he didn’t give me much room. I probably shouldn’t have been there,” he said having overtaken the Haas on lap three.

“It wasn’t the smartest place to put the car and I went off track and it probably damaged a bit of the floor. I fell back to pretty much last again but came back through.

“I caught Hulkenberg with a few laps to go and then Seb [Vettel] had his issue which handed me fifth, so danke Sebastian,” quipped Ricciardo.

“I would give this race ten out of ten in terms of fun. I think you could say that in the last six races the ‘honey badger’ has certainly shown up on Sunday and it’s been great fun.”

How has Ricciardo pulled off his recoveries?

There is no doubt that Ricciardo is quickly earning the moniker of ‘comeback king’ this season, having earned a win and four podium places from behind already – but how did he pull them off?

The Spanish GP was actually an underwhelming weekend for Ricciardo, who was in an upgraded RB13 but couldn’t quite muster the pace to challenge the frontrunners in qualifying.

However, his rearward grid position of sixth helped him avoid the clash between Kimi Raikkonen, Valtteri Bottas and Verstappen at Turn 1 on the opening lap, which knocked the latter driver out; Bottas’ lap 38 engine failure gifted Ricciardo a podium. With only 16 overtakes overall that weekend, the Australian’s brief was solely to bring the Red Bull home.

A third place finish in Monaco continued the trend in another fortunate weekend, as Ricciardo was ejected in traffic for Q3 which nearly jeopardised his race on a circuit which is notoriously difficult to overtake on.

He found himself ahead of Bottas and Verstappen having overcut the two successfully with a pit-stop on lap 38, though Ricciardo got away with tap of the wall up the hill following Turn 1 on a late Safety Car restart.

Force India’s civil war and Verstappen’s lap 10 loss of power meant Ricciardo’s long run to the finish line on the slower soft tyre against his rivals on super-softs was excused in the Canadian GP to make it three podiums in a row.

Yet, Ricciardo’s season continued to astonish in Azerbaijan where he won from 10th, having been in the fortunate position to avoid Raikkonen’s Turn 1 clash with Bottas and more pivotally, the Safety Car chaos involving both Force Indias, where he tail-gated the Williams pair and ultimately overtook Felipe Massa and Lance Stroll to take the unlikeliest of victories.

Upgrades for Hungary

This season didn’t look to be an overtaking-laden saga, and it hasn’t been for most, with fewer overtakes than in 2016.

However, Ricciardo has benefited more than his rivals from starting behind them, avoiding the turbulent, punishing wake of faster cars and easily leapfrogging those without Red Bull’s strong chassis and gradually improving Renault power unit. Clashes with the longer, wider cars in front are working in his favour as well, and Ricciardo is clearly riding a wave.

“I’ve been really happy with how I’ve been putting my Sundays together for the last handful of races,” Ricciardo continued after the British GP.

“It’s been strong and to get fifth from the back today I really couldn’t ask for more. Last week I was the hunted and this week the hunter, I love the fight of this sport and today I felt I could really enjoy that.”

With a significant upgrade touted for the Red Bulls in Hungary, the team hopes to split the Ferraris and Mercedes in front.

“If we can keep building on Austria’s performance then we should hopefully be able to get cars between Ferrari and Mercedes or vice versa,” said Team Principal Christian Horner to Autosport.

“Our drivers are going to have little to lose, so we are just going to be going for the best results we can.

“We are not essentially in the drivers’ championship. Daniel is some way off but we are still looking to achieve some big results.”

The team’s reliability woes, while alleviated for the British GP, need to be addressed more than anything else and they are Red Bull’s biggest issue mid-season; if not, Ricciardo’s shoe-drinking antics could be left behind.

Have your say on Ricciardo’s 2017 F1 performances in the comment section below.

Update: Ricciardo made 11 rather than 24 overtakes during the British GP.

 

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1

Well done Ricciardo ☺
Glad you that fungal toe sopping boot thing out your system.😧
No doubt Brundle must be suffering from a yeast infection from the dreaded shoe 😵

2
Richard Mortimer

Is then any connection at all between Ricciardo's better reliability and his shoe?

3

It was a law suit waiting to happen wasnt it? 😀

Thank god it was Martin Brundle who himself wanted to do it and not the other way round.

4

For me, the most depressing moment of the weekend was when the Renault powered RB zapped past Fernando Alonso's McHonda down the Hangar Straight with absolute impunity.................depressing as in the pathetic Honda PU was so outperformed in a straight line that it makes you wonder if Honda will 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 be able to produce motive power unit that is even remotely competitive...........

Fernando Alonso was a full 10 MPH slower than his rivals in the checkouts...........in other words, there were 18 entrants for the 2017 British GP and a couple of no hopers using Japanese engines..........I guess the situation was compounded in that Silverstone has very little braking zones - just 9% braking is required - and therefore there isn't much charging availability for the ERS, and the Honda is already very weak in that department..............

So anyone who says Renault PU is underpowered, well, is it? At least it's still reasonably competitive in a straightline!

5

Honda as a company has no rudder, steering wheel or person at the helm. This is unduly affecting the F1 program and Mclaren are hurting because of it.

6

Depressing indeed. For me its more the gap between the top 3 and the rest. Take Perez for instance. In a Merc powered car he has finished in the top 10 eight times. 5 of those hes been lapped... & 1 of those was a fourth place! at Barcalona. May well have been similar in recent history but the disparity seems to be amplified this year.

7

Irony of ironies, Honda have just come out and said that they are confident they are closing the gap to their rivals lol. They said they are already working on a Spec 4 engine, but made no promises on whether it would be available in 2017.....lol. By my calculation based on their performance jumps they'll need a Spec10 engine to finally be competitive with the customer engines, not the manufacturer engines.

8

I'm with you on this a little. I don't care about Renault or RB doing well. But not seeing McLaren and Alonso up front is really bad thing for F1 no matter which team you support. I said it here many times before, Honda is made for F1. Certainly not the current Honda team. McLaren also need to take responsibility that they have allowed this to occur. If they couldn't see the near future, they will never be back at the front of the grid, which is a crying shame.

I'm a Ferrari fan. For me McLaren is just as an important brand as Ferrari in F1. Fingers crossed they recover.

9

Not everyone can win.Merc has got years of advantage with over complicated engines and it will be the same until they change the regs.Would be a real shame if Dan never got a chance in a competitive car.

10

Scott, Mercs time advantage over Ferrari and Renault with the current engines is precisely 0 years and 0 days.

11

Nicest guy in F1. Deserves better than Renault is currently providing. I really hope that the upgrades for Hungary allow him to fight at the very front.

12

Everyone are Nicest guy until they fight for DC with Lewis.

13

Jenson Button went through 2010 championship fight with reputation intact.

14

@ Dante, agreed he's the nices guy in f1 and would make a fantastic WDC.
I'm getting sick of the media drumming up MV.
Daniel has all the tools and more to sort the teenager.
I'm also getting sick of Max's attitude, I think he'll loose his shine with fans very soon.

15

Was interesting when both drivers were driven off the track. Max winged about it while Daniel said he probably shouldn't have been there to be pushed wide. One shows maturity and that if you take the outside lane you risk being push wide while the other believes he owns the track and will risk the safety of himself and other drivers to do so. Max is quick but reckless and I believe harder on the car which contributes to his dnfs.

16

Still not sure the problems you seem to have with Verstappen. It';s not the traditional PR puppy indeed, but i find it refreshing.
Honest, young, spicy.. like it.

17

I agree that MV's attitude at times can be a bit unsorted -reflecting his actual young age- but the driving skills he displays especially in rain/wet tracks is phenomenal.

18

If he has the tools to sort the teenager, he'd better start sorting. Max has been faster than Daniel pretty much all year.

19

Um it's actu ally been pretty even all year to be honest. And don't count monaco that max was faster Dan was unlucky not to get it on front row due to traffic issues. Faster all year ? Wow lol

20

He's a great driver. So is his team mate. On that note - Verstappen's maiden pole in Hungary? That's my bet.

21

You'll get good odds that's for sure.

22

Nobody goes off track to gain an advantage better than Verstappen, and he always blames the other guy straight away. He is better than Schumacher and Fangio put together.

23

Happy for him, but gutted for Ferrari. Sorry guys...I love Italy, but all Italian team is a problem and will not manage to win against Merc. It is apparent that Ferrari is falling behind. Again....they fot tead of James Allison, Costa before....what are they doing

24

they need a driver to lead their development team..

25

yeah right...there's a guy you know that can phone in the development notes from greece, or his ranch in texas?

26

Do drivers have much input into the engine department?

27

you of all people should know this. drivers need engines with efficient torque and horsepower characteristics for them to exploit lap times with their talent. the way he power and torque are delivered to the rear wheels at exit of corners is very important and the engineers will not know what drivers need unless the drivers tell them.

28

What about Williams.I think they should give Paddy back.

29

paddy wanted shares and wouldn't get any at mercedes so went where he can have some..

30

If the Honey Badger only had the last few horsepower...not necessarily as much as M-B, but some more, we might see pairs runaways - Ricciardo and Hamilton.

31

he has as much as verstappen.

32

When all cars you have to overtake act like they got a blue flag it is not much of an achievement.

33

Either that, or it looks that way because they already know they've been beaten.

34
Tornillo Amarillo

“I hope they showed a lot of that on TV,” said Ricciardo post-race as he made 24 overtakes during the race.

Yes, great, love him, funny guy, great driver, championship material, I love Australia (no snow there), he smiles a lot, we saw him doing great overtakes in the past...
but not at Silverstone! Yeyeyeyeyeyey wait, no problem I love him, but.

Reality check is Dan didn't really "fight"... didn't fight with Mercs and Ferraris, even he dint' fight with Max, so can we be soooo happy for beating the midfield with the help of SC and DRS ?

This time, Max beating Vettel 2 times was even more worthy than 24 times from Dan in Silverstone. Sorry Australians, I just see it this way, but not hard feelings, eh.

35

I love Australia (no snow there)

There is actually Tornillo, it's ski season right now

36
Tornillo Amarillo

And this is Canadian spring

37

I keep telling the wife we should go to Canada in the spring....

38

Almost all overtakes where DRS driven and with a much better car. So it's fake fun...It says enough about the state of the sport that these type of overtakes are the best F1 can offer today 😞😞😞

39

, I love Australia (no snow there),

Nah mate we have plenty of snow , it's not all searing desert here 🙂

40

TA,

Hey mate here’s something for you to ponder on:

VERSTAPPEN: Started 4th, finished 4th
RICCIARDO: Started 19th, finished 5th

Now if this was the other way around we’d never hear the end of it from the likes of your good self and the Verstappen Fan Club, who I must say have been remarkably absent this year from JA’s Forum. And starting from the very back there wasn’t an opportunity to “fight” with the Merc and Ferrari boys and Max was there?

But appreciate it for what it was. Good clean driving with no locking up, no pushing other drivers off the track and no contact with other drivers that earned praise from Pat Symonds from the Sky Commentary Team. A master class in overtaking that even Max would be proud of - oops did I actually say that?

I’m not sure mate but personally I’d rather watch a driver slice through the field (any driver) than Vettel’s and Verstappen’s brief tete-a-tete where they pushed each other off the track and then complained about the other over their team radios.

And by the way we do have snow and extensive areas for snowing and snow-boarding in oz. Google it if ya think I'm having you on.

41

Cold front incoming. Well said Adrian!

42

Sars,

Ha, the weather is a bit cold and windy in the west at the moment.

43

Hahaha totally agree I remember a race where the exact same thing happened but other way around and everyone was going wow max this and that overtaking genius etc . And here we are ricciardo can overtake too . 😂

44

TBH Ricciardo proved well before Max that he was a great overtaker. Seems people have short memories...

45

@ Bug Haydo...How very true. People should look at some of the '14 races before they make silly comments.

46

RB is 3rd team and they have a nice gap to #4 team, so place 5-6 would be expected no matter what the starting grid is. Most drivers would be able to cut through the field like DR did. Wouldn't call that a masterclass. Both RB got lucky in earning an extra place through the gamble of Ferrari (which Ferrari payed for in the end)..

47

MCBosch,

If you'd quoted what I said in full, that is "A master class in overtaking that even Max would be proud of - oops did I actually say that?" you might have picked up a certain tongue-in-cheek sarcasm in relation to the exploits of Max that he gets praise for.

Quite frankly I don't know what the definition of "masterclass" in relation to F1 would be. But if you wanted to trot out some vision of a driver going through the field to claim 5th from 19th I guess Dan's effort wouldn't be a bad place to start.

48

Point taken 🙂

May I suggest the Canada 2011 race?

49

MCBosch,

Thanks for that.

Yes, Jensen Button's drive from 21st place to victory in the wet was pretty special.

50

MCbosch...so did everyone else who were behind?

51

Hulkenberg finished ahead of a Ferrari, so he did. The rest of them finished behind them, didn't they?

52

Agreed McB.
Although there are certain drivers whose FC's will whoop it up.

53

I've seen plenty of drivers start from the back and make little impression through the field. While he may have been a little lucky in picking up a place through others' tyre woes, consider Ricciardo's first stint where he racked up 33 laps on the option tyre - in constant traffic on a higher-speed circuit with higher tyre loads than most! That is impressive no matter which way you slice it.

54

Let's not forget that he ran about 2-2,5 slower then the head of the field. Take that into account of how much abuse his tyres has a well. Still impressive to do 33 laps though.

55

True both kind of different . Can't take anything away frm him though and his defence against ham was great thr race before 🙂 I love watching them both ! It's a great pairing almost like senna and prost all over again I think

56

Tornillo, the safety car at lap 3 didn't really help him in any way as it was too early for the field to spread out ie it was pretty much irrelevant in the scheme of things in helping Daniel make it up through the field as the field was still pretty much bunched up, especially with his mistake/off. A safety car advantage is like Bottas in Baku. DRS, yep, unfortunately, that is a part of racing these days. Plus I think you would find there were quite a few of Daniel's overtakes that weren't in a DRS zone so some of that is rather moot. Regardless It was still a good effort considering how much more these new cars disturb the air behind making it very hard to follow any closer than 1-1.5 seconds! I'm sure if Max made a comeback exactly like that you would be extolling his virtues and how he deserved DoD!
I do agree on one thing though, Max did a stellar job holding off Sebastian, giving as well as he was taking. However, I didn't notice you making similar comments about Daniel in Austria when he held off an even faster 'Hamilton driven Mercedes in quali mode' in the DRS zones etc. Selective memory loss? Or doesn't it suit your agenda?
Sorry, that is just the way I see it. No hard feeling hey...

57
Tornillo Amarillo

I agree 100% Dan did an excellent job holding Hamilton in Austria, and it is never personal, but I wrote a couple of comments about it and I put my disappointment on Lewis, so what.

58

Agreed so many people playing down this but if it was max you wouldn't hear anything from certain people on here. Getting sick of these max fan boys I swear they must all be teenagers.

59
Tornillo Amarillo

Not my case, it was more Sainz for me and still waiting some of "Liberty" for him...

FREE SAINZ!

60

@ Sydlocal...very good summary. well expressed and factual.

61

No worries Tornillo, they were very good moves by Verstappen 🙂

P.S. We do have snow in Aus...only in certain parts, but it's there 🙂

62
Tornillo Amarillo

I mean no snow in the main cities (Sydney, Brisbane, I don't know)... Aussies are giving me a hard time being proud of their snow, maybe because they know is the BEST SINCE ALAN JONES!!!

63

Fair point, but he did pass both Williams and both Force Indias that have the Mercedes power plant. And his pass on the Williams at Baku was for a podium position so wasn't just passing some mid-fielders.

64

2017 mercedes engines?

65

Thay pass at Baku was pure balls ! One of the over takes of season

66

It does snow in Australia.
Have you heard of the Snowy mountains.
Wrong about Ricciardo as well.
James chose to write a whole article on him and his performance.

67

Our mountains are more like...hills!

68

No snow in Australia? lol

Dan is quite the extrovert off the track but so composed on the track. He's clearly in charge of his emotions and it shows with his clean moves. What impresses me more though is Dan's composure when under pressure. He's faultless most of the time.. like when defending against Lewis in Austria.

69

faultless = victor..

70

I agree that Max's defence against Vettel was surgery, as was Vettel against Bottas. Daniels pass on Occon was well fought, with DRS assistance.

His pass on Magnussen at Copse was excellent (much better tyres) and without DRS.

71

No problem Tornillo. Each to their own.
Spoiler Alert:
There is snow in Australia. Sorry...

72

According to official data...for square area australia gets more snow than switzerland!!!!

73

Ken,

Yeah, I read something some time ago to the effect that there is more "skiable snow" in Australia than Switzerland or Austria. Can't quite remember though.

74

He proved over and over that the debate around overtaking in these modern cars are nothing but excuses in most tracks. I know I'm an Aussie, but this by far the best allround driver for me regardless of nationality. Max, Vet and Hamilton all have the speed like Ricciardo, but none of them have the maturity on and off the camera like Ricciardo. I'm looking forward to seeing him in a championship winning car sometimes soon.

75

ditto FZ!

76

This is actually quite a bad season for Ricciardo, compared to his brilliant teammate. For the last four races, Daniel never drove in front of Max on the track for a single lap. In fact: in the 248 laps they raced at the same time on the same track in 2017, Max led a whopping 185 of them.

77

Hardly, they were all racing for position. Give credit where due

78

You like the fine print, don't you!

79

"as he made 24 overtakes during the race."

Seriously? Are we counting cars that have contact and spin off the track, or DNF, or have other issues, as being "overtakes"? And, unless it's a car from a Top-3 team, Merc, Ferrari or RedBull, does an overtake of a Sauber or a Haas mean all that much?

If anything, Ricciardo has been a huge disappointment since he got paired with Verstappen. He may have race results, but they're usually due to fortuitous events. His actual on-track driving hasn't matched Verstappen's. Then again, that's just my viewpoint; others, including James, apparently see it differently.

80

Lived the way Ric owned Max the only time the two have really raced wheel to wheel. Max can learn a lot from the great drivers like RIC and HAM. He is young and a bit out of control but he will learn to ginish races in time. You can't win WDC with DNF's and he knows it. Lucky to survive the VET run in (off) last race and finally got his car home without breaking it. Will be good to see him maturing into a great driver this year, as his crew seem to have his car settled a bit better than Dans, allowing him to get some good quality speed.

81

You sound a bit salty Ken?

82

Not sure the reliability woes were at all alleviated at the British GP - Riccardio blew an engine in qualy remember?

83

Max has been smoking him this year, almost all the time, bad luck and reliability has hampered his races, but unlike the attitude of the article, Ric is having a bad time, getting beaten.

84

His car has been smoking anyway

85

Thanks, Daniel -- not a bad role model at all ! Just keep on grinnin' for the fun of it. . .

86

Not mentioned in the article is the excellent tyre management he does which at the British GP was phenomenal. His first stint was 32 laps (including a bunch of overtakes) on the supersoft ! People are praising Bottas for doing 32 on the soft.

Yes a) he was losing time at the end of the stint, b) the Red Bull appears to be a lot kinder on the tyres than the Ferrari, c) the overtakes were not front runners but they still had to be done. These don't diminish IMHO the result.

87

Maybe Kimi could do with a few 'Ricciardo smilin lessons?

88

Lol! I would pay to watch that :D!!

89

Fortune sometimes favours the brave. as the saying goes, and some of Ricciardo's passes prove that point with clarity. It's always a tough call to start a race knowing that you are well behind the '8 ball' when it comes to outright performance and it's those drivers who can make something out of nothing that get my support. They are true racers. If you add to that ,having a 'sunny disposition' ,it just makes it all that much better. Yes, Ricciardo has benefited from others misfortune and mistakes but you have to be hungry and just waiting to pounce when and if that situation arises. This happens to many drivers during a season so i don't think that by singling out Ricciardo's benefits does him true justice. I just hope that one day we get to see him in a championship capable car and then we'll see just what he has in the bank.

90

Well said, Ken. Would add that success comes from putting yourself in a position to take advantage of the opportunities which pop up which also has a lot to do with that plus the judgment and ability to capitalize on those opportunities with the equipment they have. We've seen that not only from Ricardo, but also from Bottas, Hulkenburg and, Alonso (even with the performance of Honda) and at times from others.

We've also seen the results of bad judgment from a few drivers who have not only ruined their own chances as well as others by colliding in close quarters and/or barreling back onto the track in an unsafe manner.

It's nice to finish first, but first you have to finish, as my driving instructors from antiquity impressed folks with back in the '60's - some things simply do not change, eh?

91

RIC mi gallo! , will be world champion, hopefully very soon, I really hope he can be with RB and then with another team, multiple times 😀

92

I guess I'll be the unpopular opinion again but I don't think Danny's performance here was the best, he did very much what his car was able to do, that's really all. For reference, he was followed rapidly by Alonso in an inferior Mclaren. At one point Alonso was 13th, unable to pass cars with more hp, while Danny ended up a couple of places behind him because of his mistake.

Even after Danny went off, he was easily able to close up on cars again and pass them. When you compare this to what their team-mates accomplished, it's all in line with the cars ability. Stoffel who some say had his best weekend went backwards 3 places by the end. It's a good drive from Danny but I wouldn't consider it great. On the other hand, I am hopeful for their highly touted upgrade that is coming. I wonder what Ferrari make of being told that Red Bull are going to overtake them week in and week out of late.

93

cheesy,

I'm also hopeful that the upgrade can put RB closer to the front, at least split the Ferrari's.

94

The Bulls are lucky to have him, particularly as not many could handle having the emerging fastest guy in F1 and one of the most driven as their teammate. Was always going to be a tough year as VES reached close to his ultimate pace and RIC has handled it with aplomb thus far and I expect him to claw back a little of the recent pace advantage the now entrenched youngster has.

Apart from his outstanding general demeanour, the thing that most impresses about RIC is his desire and ability to avoid contact in close racing, rather than the argy bargy approach of others. This is the one area that I feel VES has been very lucky thus far as his car and tyres have generally survived collisions with opponents.

95

JA, to what extent is Ricciardo "still an outsider" in F1 circles. I know he drives for one of the big teams, but i have the impression that he doesn't have someone in the background doing the deals to put him into a winning team. I think he has shown that he has the skill to win races (all 5 wins have come from outside the top 3 on the grid -albeit with some failures in front of him), but the fact is -other than Max's win in Spain (which was fortuitous itself)-he's the only driver outside the top 2 teams that has won since 2013! He is also massively marketable.
We are coming out of an era where there have been multiple WDC's on the grid (x5) before JB retired last year -they have largely commanded the top cars and the lions share of the money.
I wonder if that "log jam" at the top, as well as the decidedly uneven development race since 2014 have meant that Daniels moment will have come and gone without ever being in a car in which he could fulfil his potential? At 28, he still has some time, but it's already apparent that their are "more connected" drivers coming through that may get the hot seats possibly at his expense?

96

@ LKFE....There may well be something to your thoughts. Ricciardo really needs to make a move into a championship winning car. I think that already the stone has been cast with Marko saying that '$100m' wouldn't secure a contract with Verstappen. He certainly didn't say how much they'd need for Daniel!! Red Bull will play the long game here and there is a method to their madness. DR will be discarded, or at least, demoted when and if Verstappen gets a faster car. Of that i have no doubt. They have form and it would be in their interest to do this as they are ruthless in their approach. DR on the other hand needs to seize any chance he gets to move to a better team/car combination as i see it as the only way he will get a realistic tilt at a WDC. That will be difficult to do as Red Bull will not make it easy for him. The longer that they can hinder his potential the better it is for Verstappen in their quest for another Vettel like future.

97

"You sound a bit salty Ken?" - LKFE
Since your reply hasn't shown up in the thread, I'll post my comment here:

I prefer not to overegg the pudding, regardless of driver. Calling a driver the "comeback king" and stating he had made 24 overtakes, seemed to me to be overegging the pudding.

98

Ricciardo is a class act, if Renault can close the power gap with Merc/Ferrari and maintain reliability Ricciardo will be fighting for the championship next year,

99

Danny Ric is amazing but if Mad Max (who is anything but mad) hadn't broke down so much this season he would be a head of Ric.

Max is 9 years younger than Ric. If Max has a full career we will not remember another current driver when all said and done. Max is a points machine.

Ferrari should take the both of them.

100

Your points machine is languishing a bit to be fair

101

I'd call him mad - if Vettel didn't have his wits about him at Silverstone, we could have seen Max involved in an airplane accident with some of his blocks at Stowe. Max is lucky he hasn't copped it trying those moves on a driver of Maldonado standard.

102

@ Big Haydo....I feel that sooner or later someone is going to get deeply involved to the extent that there will be a huge bingle between Verstappen and someone else. I do thoroughly enjoy a bit of wheel banging and elbows out driving buy there is a very fine line between that and 'dangerous' driving.

103

Ferrari are really missing an opportunity by not wrestling Ricciardo out of his RBR contract.
He's at the peak of his powers and would be a perfect fit for Ferrari, and it's nothing to do with his Italian heritage. He's quick, hungry and makes fewer mistakes than most.
We know how he stacks up against Vettel and his career at RBR is just going to get harder as Verstappen improves. In fact Max is already making a habit of shading Dan over one lap.
Yes Dan has had some great results this season. but he has been flattered by Max's run of DNF's.

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Couldn't agree more Ray!
Make some calls will you!

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While Ricci is good, in fact very very good, he has been equally fortunate this season. Looking at the races, I still believe Max to be better than Ricci and over the seasons things will even out. Let's see how he handles it when Max out paces him when there are no incidents for either of them. Well that's my opinion!! Also he is very shrewd - he knows how to under the skin of a driver without over doing it.

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wow how many times do we have to hear that max is better faster stronger than Dan. Fact 1 Max explodes his car far too often - this is not just luck, the driver has the ability to crank up the car and overdrive the tyres. Max clearly is fast over 1 lap but cant keep it together for long. Fact 2; Max is a dangerous driver - he is erratic when being overtaken and dangerous when trying to overtake. this has been shown over and over with max barging into places where the car doesn't fit, running people off the track, running off the track himself to overtake, damaging other cars. For mine a better driver doesn't crash into and damage other cars.. Give it a break, he is fast but erratic. Fact 3: Max is way behind Daniel in the championship. When he is in front, he is a better driver.. end of story

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I think RIC is the complete package, there are some things MAX its lackin, for example patience and understanding of the race as a complete mass of other cars/drivers trying to do the same you are doing...

MAX need that experience that RIC already has, it is true that MAX's incidents are a big part of why RIC is ahead, but you can also see it as a RIC not having incidents its his own advantage, RIC understand the car and position he has, and manage the race the best he can and know where he is and what he an do, push the car to the acceptable limit and takes the best every race... MAX in the other hand, its trying to prove something that its already prove HE IS A GOOD DRIVER WDC QUALITY... but, needs to be patient and chose the batles he can win, instead of be involve in all kind of battles everytime, everywhere...

So, I don't think RIC has been benefited by VER incidents, but of his own success to avoid to have them.

thats the EXPERIENCE MAX is lacking.

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Well put jkimgt!
I get the impression that Max's career will end up being a whole lot of wins, but also a whole lot of DNF's.

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jkimgt, experience doesn't buy you better batteries or engines.

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I don't really see the point of your comment in relation to mine.

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Just saying that there's no causality between experience and the problems Max has had, although that seems to be a popular narrative. Most were mechanical failures, which were not caused by getting into battles with drivers. Only one DNF was really related to a battle with others, the crash caused by Bottas via Raikkonen (Spain). You might argue that Max was slightly opportunistic there, but even more so was Daniel on Grosjean in Silverstone. Doesn't take anything away from his great recovery drive though!

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yup, now that you elaborate your reply looks better...
not related to batteries or engines anyway hahaha...

and yeah, you are kind right about not all DNF might be related to Max hunger, but you can't also deny that he need to chill out a little bit, I mean he is not perfect, and nobody expect him to be, or to win this year, well maybe his father and inner circle are pushing too much unnecessarily.

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If nothing else Dan is very entertaining on weekends, don't see much of him when he qualifies well but that's the difference in the cars at the pointy end of the grid.
He's clean in races and that's why he's ahead of Max he doesn't try to stick the car in places it doesn't fit and has a bit more patience than young Max.
The top 3 teams have the best pairing though putting Fernando into one of them would be better for the sport and the spectical
I am a Dan fan and have enjoyed his "Shoey" and hope he gets the chance to drink plenty more on Sunday arvo'
Go the honey badger the best bloke in F1 and one of the best racers out there to boot.

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did verstappen not have a late extra stop and still finish ahead?

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Something to do with the 18 cars between them at the start I'm guessing!

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which car has the number 18 on it?

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very clever!

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aveli,

Very true though!

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aveli, are you saying Max can't make his tyres last?

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read my post and you will notice all the words i wanted to use are present..
he said himself after the race that when he noticed that raikkonen had pitted he said he could've stayed out but by then he was already in the pit...

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ihavetroublewithyourpostsbecauseofthelackofpunctuation

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aveli,

The words of Christian Horner are more relevant and they are that they brought Max in as a precautionary against another DNF resulting from tyre failure.

Why risk 4th place and 12 points?

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yes red bull did call verstappen in as a precaution but when verstappen noticed that raikkonen had stopped, he questioned the teams decidion to stop because he thought he could've stayed out and earned more point. they explained to him it was a precautionary stop because he had done a stint 1 lap short of vettel's on those tyres..

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Yes, Ricciardo is doing an outstanding job. Strategical overtakes, staunch defending, being at the right place at the right time. His only luck being the DNF's in front of him. It's very mature and inteligent racing, hats off! Hamilton made more mistakes this season, so if Ric would have had a Mercedes he would be nr 1 right now...

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the top three drivers are celebrated on the podium with their national flags and national anthems for the winning driver and team..the winning driver given the largest trophy and highest number of points. the podium residents are given campaign to play with in celebration. that's it..

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Hey, who is the king ? Ricciardo or Verstappen ? Come on!
If Lewis were last that race he would get podium, at least, anyway!

The king is who has a slow car and pipped someone with a faster car

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verstappen, all season long!

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Of course he would: look at the car that he is driving.

That said, of course - Lewis didn't manage it in Austria and didn't even start last.

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Nice chap, deserves every point he got this season. However, his teammate is faster then him this season. The results Daniel has got don't do his teammate any justice. The article points out that a lot of the results are there because of the misfortune of others.

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Surely Daniil Kvyat could learn something from Ricci about handling pressure.

I would like to see @James interview Dr Marko on Kvyat.

Baku, the first corner he went off and re joined in such a fashion that Carlos spun his car to avoid a crash.

Last race Kvyat claims he was a passenger in his own car as it bounced back into the track and said Carlos could have anticipated that. (I guess Carlos got tired because either way he would be off, anticipate and spin out, don't anticipate and get knocked out)

But the Howler is at the Austrian HOME GP of Redbull and Max V to some extent. The way he bashed off Alonso and Max into retirement. Again he said he locked his tires up and after that, he was just a passenger.

For a F1 driver, he sure claims to be a "passenger" too many times!

I wonder How the Redbull family reacts to this kind of Raging Bull in a China Shop like treatment - the Russian dishes out to his own Stable Mates.

It really ruins the fun when you have a driver that keeps wiping out exciting protagonists race after race.

I think for his own pride, he should calm down, and finish the last part of the season with dignity and walk away. Who knows, maybe if he gives up on his desperado antics, he may actually drive better to be retained for another year.

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@ Dante, agreed he's the nices guy in f1 and would make a fantastic WDC.
I'm getting sick of the media drumming up MV.
Daniel has all the tools and more to sort the teenager.
I'm also getting sick of Max's attitude, I think he'll loose his shine with fans very soon.

What a silly and short sighted comment that is. The fans at Silverstone loved what Max did on Sunday.

Yes Ricciardo has done fantastically well this year of taking advantage of situations and deserves nothing but praises . Good job Daniel. However, one thing I have unfortunately noticed increasingly on this site is the rather depressing apparent need of some contributors on here to use their praise of Daniel to also have a go at Max. Can we not just appreciate both drivers for once ? Is it too much to ask?
I'm fed up of seeing comments attacking drivers for no good reason. JA please could you bear this in mind when your moderating comments in future as this kind of commenting doesn't add the discussion of the topic in my opinion. I understand people have their opinions but people should try and be more balanced.
Max? Attitude problems? -last year maybe but not this year. In fact Max has handled himself pretty well this year considering the problems he's had on race days this year. Both RBR guys are great for F1.

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Actually if you read all ghe comments it's all playing down Daniels results and praising max rather than other way around 😉 . I agree with you both have been great . Races and qualy pace wise id say is about even for the yr !

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@ Stephen taylor...funny that you should bring this up. I particularly notice it but in reverse. It seems as though there are quite a few verstappen followers that feel the need to diss on Ricciardo every chance that they get. Like you i feel as though it's uneccessary as they are both very good drivers...just different styles and approach.

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Ken and Joe -I'm sort of getting sick of the Max fan posts...
Last year they all started with "When".
This year they all start with "If".

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Agree Kennett alot of max lovers who have to say he has trounced ric this yr where it definitely not a trouncing lol

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Wow......what a race, totally enjoyed every minute, the start was awesome I did not know were to look there was that much going on, and then watching Dan coming thru was just sweet, the in car camera just shows how crazy those high speed corners are and how talented these drivers are, they all earned there pay cheque that’s for sure with exseption to Danni Kvyat lol..........what a great weekend of racing with plenty of spectators.

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I can't believe the rest of the world isn't embracing the "shoey". It's the greatest thing we Aussies have ever done!

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Well, i think that it was fun but it has now run long enough. The problem though is that now people have embraced it everyone wants to get into it!!!! Brundle was the last one to force the issue. It happened, but time to move on.

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Was Brundle's stomach issue related? You need... guts for that 🙂
A bit nasty, time for something else Ricci boy.

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I know I am comparing a Red Bull on new tyres to a Haas on old tyres, but why did they leave Magnussen out for so long? Ricciardo put some serious daylight between them in a matter of a single corner. There wasn't much chance of rain at that point and a Safety Car wasn't that likely to happen too, was it.

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Always worth remembering he was beating Vettel consistently in the same car in his 1st year at red bull.
As much as the press and fans keep matching the red bull drivers to seats elsewhere they need to ignore that.
Both pretty likely to be front runners challenging for wins next season where they are.

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I do believe Max would have been ahead of the Smiling Assassin (liked it) , bad luck made the difference for Max, unfortunately.

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He has the best chassis with a good engine and overtook the midfield teams. Not that amazing really. If he was in a williams or renault that would be different

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Offset by those with far more powerful engines like FI and Williams and Haas all with the mighty mercedes and ferrari engines in the back of their respective cars.

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@Kenneth If the customer Mercedes teams also have the Super Quali and Overtake Mode, I wonder where Teams like Williams and FI really stand without that mode.

But since the Torro Rossos and Renault and HAAS regularly manage to Mix it up with Williams and FI evenly across Q1,Q2 and Q3 - I suspect, the FI and Williams do not have that Quali Mode that the works Mercedes have.

Williams, of course, is very inconsistent and often fail to get into Q3, but Force India do not show any REMARKABLE up shift in pace in Q3 compared to the Renault.

As usual, it seems I have gone on a very tangential topic, that is me wondering if those customer Mercs really are powerful.

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Fron the article picture, the Red Bull car from side view with the livery looks really cool. Also, it's one of the only cars where the number on the fin looks like it is part of the livery and belongs there.

The numbers on the Merc fin look terrible

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Dan is the man. I would love to see him in a car with same power as the Merc's.

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Ricciardo Aficionado

Nice article JAonF1 but I would make two criticisms. One: I don't think he's really comeback man because he's generally gone forward from his qualifying. Two: you make no mention of the scintillating driving that was on most occasions crucial in some part to his results. Those great laps in Monaco.... Big hoo har over his pace at the time. Also some clutch overtakes... Baku!! Mind blowing. Silverstone, like a hot knife through butter. And then some awesome defending...

PS I read that Serena Williams interview with Lewis Hamilton. Very revealing.

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Just another solid west Aussie who gets a lot of pleasure doing what he loves and giving pleasure to others who enjoy the sport

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Richard Steele

I think it's a shame that DR's talent hasn't yet been fully realized. Truly one of the most talented of the current crop. I'm looking for the inevitable head to head with Max.

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