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Posted By: Editor   |  14 Jun 2017   |  4:04 pm GMT  |  97 comments

Haas Team Principal Guenther Steiner criticised Toro Rosso’s Carlos Sainz Jr for causing a crash at the Formula 1 Canadian Grand Prix, deeming his punishment insufficient.

The outfit picked up its first double-points finish of 2017 in Monaco, but Romain Grosjean was its highest finisher at Montreal in 10th while team-mate Kevin Magnussen finished 12th having picked up a time penalty for overtaking Stoffel Vandoorne under the Virtual Safety Car.

Sainz has been handed a three-place grid penalty for the Azerbaijan Grand Prix after cutting off Grosjean and careering backwards into Felipe Massa into the Turn 3/4 chicane on the opening lap.

Grosjean called it a “very, very dangerous manoeuvre” with Williams’ Massa saying, “I was a complete passenger in the collision.”

The stewards handed Sainz a penalty for the race at Baku on June 25 as his lack of acknowledgement of the car in his blind-spot was deemed to be “careless and potentially dangerous.

“This was evidenced by the further collision of Car 8 [Grosjean] with Car 19 [Massa], a direct result of this incident, which caused the retirement of Car 19.

“The driver of car 55 [Sainz] claimed he checked his mirrors but that car 8 was in his blind spot and therefore he did not see it,” concluded the stewards, who also put two penalty points on his licence with a total of seven in the last 12 months.

“The punishment is too low,” said Steiner to Auto Motor und Sport.

“Grosjean had a full race ban after Spa in 2012 for ignoring other cars in his blind spot.”

Sainz blamed the lack of visibility in his mirrors in a post-race interview and apologised for causing the crash.

“All of a sudden, I touched with a Haas that was on my right-hand side,” said Sainz.

“I have to say I never saw the car there, it’s simply a dead angle in my mirrors so I never knew he was there.

“If I had realised he was there, of course I would’ve been more careful and left some space.

“Once we collided I was just a passenger, crashed into the wall and that was the end of my race unfortunately. I’d like to say sorry, especially to Felipe, who received a touch from me.”

But Haas boss Steiner classed the Toro Rosso driver as a repeat offender, refusing to accept his excuse due to previous crashes in Sainz’s career.

“[Sainz also] pushed Magnussen off the track in the exit of the pit lane at Barcelona,” Steiner explained.

“And, he messed up practice in Montreal because he did not look in the mirrors.

He added, “Either he needs glasses or larger mirrors.”

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If I recall correctly; by this stage in his career Grosjean definitely had a few more tangles than Sainz has. Perhaps that is why Grosjean got banned, not for the single accident that Steiner is referring to.

I am not picking on Grosjean, I actually think he has come on strides since then; just stating the facts.

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Blind spot, blind spot… Why have blind spots at all? There ought to be a way to allow drivers to see, or to detect, what’s behind them and beside them. Road cars have this technology do they not?

3

Amazing.. first time Mr Crashy Grosjean has been in a crash that wasnt his fault.

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This is an example where a team would benefit from Indy-style spotters. Some of the IndyCar teams do have them on road courses at critical points of the track. Is there anything in the rules that would prevent a team from deploying them if they felt it would be helpful? It would seem it’s not “advising” a driver on how to drive the car, simply stating race conditions.

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Tornillo Amarillo

In summary: No Red Bull, Sainz has got “Red Balls”…

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There have been an increased number of these type of shunts since the FIA raised the surround of the cockpit. F1 tech regs define the size of mirrors and no team is going to make them larger unless forced to. I’d tell Steiner to hold his putdowns until he has driven a current f1 car and been in the same situation.

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If you fit parking sensors to a Fiat Panda, why are there no proximity sensors on F1 cars? Ok, so the steering wheel screen is already full of information, and the drivers already hear a beep in their ear when it’s time to shift gear, but surely the best engineers in the world could develop a means to communicate proximity of other cars to their drivers…

8

You have dozens of facts & outbursts to bring a yellow headline for Hammy but you are focused on the “others”. This is a lobby, a powerful lobby in F1.

9

is carlos sainz not a double world rallying champion?

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Tornillo Amarillo

His dad (?)

11

yes senior, meaning he has inherited genes with the tendency to drift.

12

since hamilton explained how to negotiate the last chicane in canada, hardly anyone’s been in the wall of champions. i remember him saying “you take a lot of curb on the first corner and miss the second curb entirely”.
thanks to the genius, that wall of champions has been made redundant..

13

I think Hamilton invented the fidget spinner as well. There ain’t nothin’ that boy can’t do!

14

catherine hettinger, a chemical engineer by training, was initially credited by some news stories to have been the inventor of the fidget spinner, including by the media outlets such as the guardian, the new york times, and the new york post. hettinger filed a patent application for a “spinning toy” in 1993.
it’s normal to respect multiple f1 champions..

15

Or, possibly, that the wall has been moved further away from the track this year…..

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no one has been in that wall since….

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no, the wall has not been moved back..hamilton did add that if you hit the second curb, you would hit the wall.

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Thank you for your correction regarding the position of the wall.

You might want to pass that on to the Sky F1 commentary team, who were discussing the subject in FP1 and various other F1 web-sites (yes, they exist !) who reported the track changes a short while ago.

As I understand it, the wall has been angled away from the track so it ‘opens up’ on exit, i.e. is moved back from its previous position.

However, we could all be mistaken.

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here you go, enjoy watching this and you will notice that each driver who crashed into the wall went over the second curb. ever since hamilton explained that you should go over the first curb and miss the second, everyone knows how to avoid it..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUlCm98LNs

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there are youtube footages of all those who crashed into that wall still available for your reference.
the tyre wall is in exactly the same position the concrete wall was. there is a concrete wall behind the tyre wall mind you..

21

all those drivers who collided with that wall did so because they hadn’t yet learned from hamilton, how negotiate it..

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am confident that the position of the wall is exactly as it has always been…just that it is no longer a concrete wall but a tyre wall with a concrete wall behind it and it is not the change in material which has kept drivers from colliding into it. the point of discussion is that drivers have not collided with that wall since hamilton made a clear explaination of how to avoid hitting the wall..you claimed it may be because the wall has been moved back but i can assure you that the distance from the chicane to the tyre wall surface hasn’t changed. i can see all this on my tv, no need for anyone from sky telling me..

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Silly me, I should not have believed what I heard, saw and read. Thank you for clarifying the issue.

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the same sky commentator has lied to you for years that alonso was the most complete f1 driver and yet we witness season in season out that he is the worst at choosing which team to drive for.. we have also witnessed that he isn’t that good in the wet or qualifying he’s not the best at overtaking or defending as we have seen him unable to pass a rookie in the same car…so what exactly makes him “the most complete”? you’re better off using your own eyes..

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Sure Sainz squeezed him the first time but the contact came from Grosjean coming back on. Watch the view from the air and watch twice. The first time just watch Sainz. The second time just watch Grosjean. When the contact is made Grosjean has more than a cars width. Hell the first squeezed left him with just a cars width. The top drivers would not have crashed in this situation like Grosjean did.

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You can’t be serious. Grosjean went onto the grass from the first squeeze, then he gets back on track and there’s Carlos coming back over again!

If Carlos knows he has a blind spot to his right, and he can’t be 100% sure that no one is in there, then don’t weave or swerve towards that area. Pretty simple.

He would know (or should’ve known) that he would be ahead of anyone in his blind spot into turns 3-4, and then they would have to file in behind.

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they should dump Sainz and get Alonzo he would have a better chance with Haas right now

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Claimed he checked his mirrors

But he doesn’t say if he indicated? Sainz needs to brush up on his Highway Code again😊

30

You beat me to it JK! 🙂

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Not a good piece of driving from Sainz. A 3 place penalty is quite lenient for needlessly wrecking the entire race of 2 of your fellow drivers, considering you can get thrown to the back of the grid just for changing a couple of parts of your engine. Between this incident and ramming Stroll in Bahrain, he needs to make sure that he doesn’t develop a reputation for recklessness. He’s not a rookie any more, so let’s hope that he learn the lessons quickly.

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Isn’t he the chap that got ditched by the main red bull team for crashing into Sebastian vettel twice in one lap!
That said there is clearly issues between the two toro rosso drivers and Saintz is the better driver of the two,however he also was at fault here,no question.
The knock on effect was major,especially for Felipe and it could have been even more serious.

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Last year he did the same to Alonso in Mexico.

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New penalty: Larger mirrors to be implemented for transgressions of this nature to impede aerodynamics for the next 5 races. Too many penalties and the car will look like Mickey Mouse!

35
Clarks4WheelDrift

Steiner needs to zip it with the excuses and concentrate on their poor car. Step 1 try and get the brakes working properly for Grosjean, after all this time.

Why was Magnussen so slow at the pit exit Gunthy mi lad? Why was the HASS pit stop slower than the Torro Rosso? Sainz had to lift, another tenth and it definitely would have been an unsafe release.

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“… Kevin Magnussen finished 12th having picked up a time penalty for overtaking Stoffel Vandoorne under the Virtual Safety Car.”

Hardly seems fair to be penalized for passing a Honda engine, VSC or not.

37
Tornillo Amarillo

I said it yesterday, what happens with Sainz, Perez, Kvyat, KMag… too much presure and a explosive situation in F1. Everybody has to calm down.
Clearly it’s a PRESSURE COOKER the situation in Toro Rosso-Red Bull:
– Sainz was delayed in TR when Max got the Kvyat seat;
– Max and Ric are confirmed in RB for 2018
– Ric is smarter : 3 podiums in a row now
– Sainz was getting problems in TR with combinations on track with Kvyat;
– But RB are not good enough since the Renault PU is not getting major upgrades…
– Max says this year -and next- is crap…

Sainz is in a bad position, bad at TR, bad waiting for a seat in an uncompetitive RB, and bad because he has no seat at RB.

To free this pressure cooker,… RB has to relieve Sainz from its contract, so Sainz can go to Renault, Ferrari, Williams, McLaren (if Alonso leaves) or Force India (if one of the drivers moves).
Sainz is getting crazy and he doesn’t deserves that. Meanwhile, calm down Carlitos.

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@Tornillo,
Well at least thanks this time you dropped Max in your first sentence.

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Tornillo Amarillo

Max is pushing the whole team, he makes mistakes, but it’s ok, it’s fun, only problem Ric is making podiums every race ! Fix that Max and beat Ric from time to time!

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Tornillo Amarillo

“This was evidenced by the further collision of Car 8 [Grosjean] with Car 19 [Massa], a direct result of this incident, which caused the retirement of Car 19.

What ?

41

Substitute Car 55 for Car 8.

Loved Grosjean’s radio on it: “What a mental guy!! What was that?! What a mental guy!!!”

42

We hear a lot about blind spots in mirrors. Surely the simple solution is to force the teams to fit mirrors that can see all areas. Not exactly expensive is it.

43

What does HAAS want Sainz to do? Get on his knees and please for forgiveness? They’re dragging this whole incident way too long. They need to probably focus more on sorting out their performance issues.

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Grosjeans Spa 2012 faux pas was one of many hence his one race ban. Sainz’s mistake was a rarity. Haas need to cool it

45

all this hybrid technology requiring an engine to be categorized as 5 distinct components require rocket scientist education and F1 can’t solve the blind spot issue with even a dollar store quality convex mirror #irony

46

6 distinct categories, but who’s counting? 😃

Would seem like a great opportunity to develop the collision avoidance systems seen on newer road cars.

47

I’ve been wondering for years why the FIA don’t have much tougher rules around wing mirrors.

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