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Posted By: Alex Kalinauckas  |  18 Apr 2016   |  6:01 pm GMT  |  176 comments

Daniil Kvyat reckons he would repeat his Turn 1 move from the Chinese Grand Prix as he heads to his home race in Russia and Ferrari’s Sebastian Vettel and Maurizio Arrivabene decided to ‘move on’ from the first corner crash.

The incident between the pair was one of the main talking points arising from an action packed race in Shanghai.

Kvyat attacked Vettel as they raced through the long double right-hander that forms Turns 1 and 2 at the Chinese circuit and as the German driver then jinked away from the Red Bull he collided with his Ferrari teammate Kimi Raikkonen.

Both Ferrari drivers sustained front wing damage as a result of the crash and Raikkonen was forced to pit for repairs at the end of lap one.

Kimi Raikkonen

The intervention of the safety car on lap four, a deployment that was necessary to allow the marshals to clear away debris from the Turn 1 incidents that littered the track, allowed Ferrari to replace Vettel’s front wing and gave Raikkonen the chance to catch the pack.

After eventually finishing second, which came after he caught and passed Kvyat on track later in the Grand Prix, Vettel confronted the Russian driver just before they went onto the podium with race winner Nico Rosberg.

Daniil Kvyat

But speaking after the race, Kvyat insisted the move was on and described how he will aim to repeat the race result at his home Grand Prix in Russia next time out.

He said: “I think it was a fair move on Vettel. I saw the gap and I went for it. We didn’t touch, unfortunately for him, Kimi was on his other side. For me it was a logical move and it paid off with a podium.

“It’s a nice boost for our side of the garage after a couple of tricky races. It’s also good for the team to be consistently fighting for podiums this year. It’s very encouraging for the season.

Daniil Kvyat Sebastian Vettel

“I’m a very happy man and it’s nice to carry this feeling heading into my home Grand Prix in Russia.”

Aggressive move made podium possible

Kvyat explained how he felt he had to make the move to get a chance to fight for a podium finish. Before last weekend’s race his only F1 podium had come when he finished second at the 2015 Hungarian Grand Prix.

He said: “It was a logical move: you see the gap and you go for it. If [Vettel] didn’t have a car on the outside it would have been okay: I only have two eyes so I couldn’t see Kimi, and it’s [Vettel’s] business to deal with that.

Daniil Kvyat

“When the emotions are hot, you talk about it – but in our case to get on the podium you have to take risks. It was an essential move for me and it paid off.

“We can talk for hours about it but I am on the podium; if I didn’t go for it who knows where I would be. I will keep on risking like this and everyone should expect that.”

Vettel: “In the end, it is a racing incident”

Vettel described Kvyat’s driving as “suicidal” and that of a “madman” over his team radio during the Shanghai race, but after the event, and his pre-podium outburst, the four-times world champion concluded that it had just been an unfortunate racing incident.

Sebastian Vettel

He said: “What happened on the first lap, in the end, is a racing incident.

“Kimi locked up in Turn 1. I tried to go inside to pass him. Daniil was behind me. He had a better start and was lining up for the same move initially. I was determined to overtake Kimi. Daniil was determined to overtake me.

“Kimi came back from the left, Kvyat came from the back right and I was reacting to him. From my side I didn’t really know where to go, I was sandwiched between Kimi and Daniil.

“I tried to back out of it, going off throttle and hitting the brakes, but there was no way, so I had contact with Kimi.”

Kimi Raikkonen Sebastian Vettel

Vettel apologised for colliding with Raikkonen during the race itself, a move he repeated once he had climbed out of the cockpit.

He said: “Obviously I am terribly sorry for what has happened. Touching the car with the same colours is not right.”

Arrivabene: “this is racing”

Maurizio Arrivabene

Arrivabene, Ferrari’s team principal, would not be drawn on apportioning any blame over the Turn 1 crash and he also reckoned it was a simply one of the risks of racing.

He said: “I think pointing the finger at somebody isn’t correct. Kvyat was doing his race coming into the curve at high speed but Seb and Kimi were doing the same thing in Kvyat’s position.

“Of course if you want to defend your position you move away but unfortunately Kimi was there. But this is racing, it’s not monopoly.

“It was an accident. I think they are part of the race but of course when you have your two drivers in a collision with each other it’s not good. What can I say more than that?”

Ferrari

The result of the Chinese Grand Prix leaves Ferrari 53 points adrift of Mercedes in the constructors’ championship and without a race win in 2016 when the Italian team had a genuine chance to fight the German manufacturer for the victory in China.

Vettel and Raikkonen are also down to fourth and fifth behind Daniel Ricciardo in the drivers’ standings after the Red Bull driver recovered from a puncture to score points in Shanghai and secured his third consecutive fourth place finish of the season.

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Sebastian Vettel Ferrari

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I've been watching F1 for a long time... and I want to preface what i am going to say by letting everyone know that I do not consider myself an expert or an insider. However it is quite clear to me that Mercedes will dominate and dominate at every track. This year will not be about racing for First... we already know who will win every race. This is about racing for 2nd or 3rd. The media can try and play it down and hype up Ferrari's chances each weekend but the reality is Mercedes will get pole at each race. If they stay bulletproof the chances of passing them on track other than off the start is next to impossible. I've been whining about this for 2 years now. LET THE TEAMS UPGRADE AND TEST during the year. Create some competition. Equalize the payments to all teams. Those that spend more on R&D and testing make less profit. Those that don't want to spend the money can languish in the back of the field. Simple.

2

Kyvat had a perfect overtake.
Vettel was to busy trying to stop Kimi overtaking.
Then threw all the blame on Kyvat it was a deflecting strategy as Vettel knew it was his fault alone. The true toys out the pram Vettel shows his colours. As soon as he feels the pressure his baby comforter/ dummy drops out of his mouth ????! Waa Waaa ????! ????

3

Your right that it will be a Merc season. But there will be one or two where the tyre's will not work for their car. The Merc is so strong on the Mediums, which is probably the most used tyre throughout the year. But doesn't gain much on the SuperSofts and maybe that could be the same for the Ultras. So hopefully that is the case and Merc does struggle at a couple of events.

4

Couldn't agree more

5

Option 5? It's Sergio's fault.

🙂

6

Nah, still Maldonado's fault...

7

Or Maldonando's fault. But he's not driving anymore.

8

HAHA, for a moment I thought where did Perez come from, before imagining the hard talking Ferrari Prez that you were referring to; Then I thought, where Indeed was Perez the whole race? 😀 I wonder if Ferrari may consider Perez instead of Grosjean as Kimi's replacement next year. Kimi and Romain looked to be more or less of similar caliber when driving together at Lotus. Perez is a Mclaren Castaway and also has a prima donna attitude that may just be similar to how many Ferrari drivers have been in recent years like MS and FA ! Offcourse to say Perez is of the same caliber may be a dangerous over statement but he has held his ground and often seemed superior to Hulkenberg who is rated very highly but never going to be in Ferrari I guess. Perez always seems to be racing wheel to wheel with Button just like he did when both were at Mclaren, ..and Alonso & Button seem evenly matched, so Perez yeah may just be the driver for Ferrari. Sell a Lot of Fiats in Mexico also probably, do they have Fiats in Mexico I wonder? Ferraris sell anywhere anyway. Bottas seems equal to Massa who is a Ferrari castaway as he started fading, so unless he is shows a consistently superior performance to Massa, tough. I dont think Daniel Ricciardo would or has an open contract situation to shift away from Redbull and honestly next year is anyone’s guess when the Aero changes so dramtically, the best bet to hit the "ground running" would be a Adrian Newey guided Redbull even if the Tag engine is a shade underpowered again next year. What I’m curious about is will Max Verstappen struggle next year when the G forces increase and F1 becomes more difficult physically like what Alonso keeps remembering of the days past. Maybe first half of next year he will have another sharp learning curve and a bad choice for any bad team to cradle rob him. Wow, I wrote everything I had to, ..in Sebee's post thanks to the Sergio link 😀 but then I’m happy, after JA, its only Sebee's Username that features mostly in memory for some reason. Also both Horner and Kvyat are talking it up a bit too much.. Daniel probably damaged his floor after the puncture who knows, Hamilton and Kimi all had damaged aero for sure what with running over there own car aero bits and all and vettel had bumped his wheel and had missing front bits he didnt know about.. so those four cars were damaged! Kvyat should have been much further up the road toward rosberg if they really are Ferrari pace.. Horner saying Vettel and Kvyat were absolutely the same pace in the second last stint on the mediums is rubbish when the Ferrari was missing front wing elements.. if it really didnt matter.. then why in the world would they be watsing millions on those fine details 🙂 Much talk from Horner over nothing. Yes the Redbulls are awesome around corners but over all laptime is far away from Ferrari.

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Option 6: Maldonado 🙂

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Option 6, must be Maldonado then.

11

Vettel being Vettel, that's all.

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Mate, watch again the accident, this video will show Vettel in fact contributed the least to this accident. Kvyat and Kimi faulted more, but in the end is a race accident.
https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video/2016/4/Torpedo_or_terrific__Onboard_with_Kvyat_and_Vettel_at_Turn_1.html

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If you stop the film at 0:13 you can see that no car has apparently touched another (except Vettel and Kimi may have touched front wheels) but Vettel is being squeezed between Kyat and Kimi with both of them rear wheels level to Vettel's fronts. Vettel might at this stage have been better advised to have dabbed his brakes but he seemed intent in not letting Kimi past (he was already though); V might have lost the place but not needed damage repair nor would Kimi and Kyat was anyway past Vettel who had left plenty of room to carry out the manoeuvre . I call it a racing incident caused by Vettel.

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This show it was a racing incident with Kimi cutting across the track. The more shocking thing is that FOM/FIA actually put up a good piece of video to share with us fans. I am blown away by that.

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I know, right? How awesome was that pass for P1 on Webber in Malaysia? Epic. Balls to the wall baby!

16

Racing Incident. The post race drama was natural. Kvyat wanted to win a race. Seb wants to win a championship. Kvyat asked "what happened" and Seb unloaded. Ego. All drivers have it. Just takes the right situation to bring it out.

Having said that, Seb was correct to say that Kvyat was "lucky". Kvyat took a lot of speed through a corner that was going to continue to tighten for a late apex that other drivers would be aiming for with a tightening line. And you can see this when you watch the replay after the point of Seb's contact with Kimi. Kvyat's line was not optimal and saw him run quite wide due to the excessive speed.

It worked for him this time. Next time it might not, and he might wind up getting a penalty for harpooning someone's side-pod. It was exciting, and it paid off, but Seb's heated "advice" wasn't exactly incorrect.

Kvyat was also right. It's racing.

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I have watched the replays over and over. The whole things starts when Rosberg cuts hard to the inside as they enter the turn to prevent Raikonnen from having the inside line. Rosberg would have hit Raikonnen but Kimi locks up to avoid him and in the process losses grip and momentum and he slides wide allowing Vettel to come through on his inside as for Kvyat has a go down the inside of Vettel. Not nearly as big a gap as DK claims since the right side of of the car is over the kerbs.

After looking it at multiple time I think calling it a racing incident is fine. Pretty typical first corner stuff. Unfortunate for KR and SV and eventually LH but the first corner of an F1 race always has a lot of action. Nothing to egregious here although NR is fortunate that KR hit the brakes so hard. You can see the white smoke in the onboard replays from Vettel's car and the overhead shows how hard Rosberg came across Raikonnen.

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I know you're just making fun of those who blame others for their mistakes, but Rosberg did not cut hard to to the inside line. He just had to take a wider entry than Vettel, because he started from the left side of the track.
Both Ferraris were too ambitious, too hot into the corner, got loose and ran wide. Kimi nearly ran into the back of the car in front, and Sebastion did.

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Perfect summary

20

Actually it was Kimi who made contact with the side of Kvyat's car.
You don't know what Daniil's line (or that of his competitors) would have been without that contact.

21

The crybaby that is Vettel needs to remember people will not jump out of his way. He should have backed off.

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haha, looking at the reply it does look like Vettle jumped, lost it a bit and slid into Kimi. Then goes down the Bart Simpson route of "It wasn't me!"

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Harry Snapper Organs

Excellent summary.
Could not believe [Mod]'s ranting to KYV in the room prior to trophy presentation.

On board camera showed [Mod] left a gap so huge you could've driven a herd of cattle through it.

KYV didn't even touch him!

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Bravo mate. Helicopter shot shows it clearly. Could have just lifted for half a second and everything would have been ok. But no, he panicked and caused an accident due to poor spatial awareness.

25

A bit harsh.
Emotions just running high during the race when he was on the radio

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Vettel should get out of the way? Who's the champion here? Respect! 🙂

27

I thought it was a racing incident, but I just wanted your opinion on kimi rejoining the track after it? I thought it was a bit dangerous causing Nasr (Ericsson?) to swerve out the way into Hamilton...

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After people's suggestions, I re-watched it focussing on Nasr, and I agree that it was Nasr's fault. Didn't spot that before

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Kimi had nothing to do with it. Look at the overhead shots of Nasr. He had already lost it coming into the corner and ran way wide and then cuts back hard into Hamilton. I agree that initial views seemed like Raikonnen cut back in and triggered the others to move but watch the overhead replay of what happened and it tells a totally different story.

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Agreed. Kimi certainly locked his tyres to avoid Rosberg, but it was the bump Kimi got rear right from Vettel that turned Kimi's car more sideways and thereby initiated his sharper turn into the curve.

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Watch the on-board from Hamilton's car. Kimi rejoined in what looked like a safe space, but at the same time Nasr jerked left as he spotted debris (probably from the Ferraris coming together), then he saw Kimi and jerked back right, hitting Hamilton. Kimi did nothing wrong and neither did Nasr, just another racing incident.

32

Not the frist time Kimi has rejoined the race and caused a crash -he seems unsure of how to do it.

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This is Kimi's normal method of rejoining the track. We've seen it several times in the past.

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All drivers will want to rejoin the track as quickly as possible after an incident. Kimi was hardly aggressive rejoining. Nasr's swerve was way over the top IMO.

Plus I can't remember Hamilton or Alonso giving way by the side of the track when they've gone off the road.

In fact Hamilton once was penalised in Hungary for rejoining unsafely.

So clearly not just Kimi.

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Not the first time that Kimi has done that - vis Silverstone

36

Yes,
I've been banging on about that too. Who's got the rulebook? Doesn't a driver need to giveway when re-entering the track after an incident? I think is was Nasr?

37

It was Nasr, and the amount that he turned into Hamilton was not necessary. Same with Vettel, he didn't need to jink left to the extent he did. I know it's split second stuff, but those both looked like "Everyday Average Joe Road Driver".

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I don't think there are any right of way rules that make the driver on the outside wait ;-). As long as he is in front, and does not change his line, he can come in.
May be wrong there though...

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I think you are very right per FIA Racing Regulations on that statement on how to rejoin.

40

The door was wide open and the move was on. Vettel may have got pinched a bit, but he also appeared to overreact to Kvyat's move up the inside - perhaps he was expecting the Red Bull to slide a bit, but in reality it looked like it was on rails and Kvyat was in full control - nothing suicidal at all. I suspect Vettel's vociferous objections had more to do with Mr. Marchione's presence than anything else, but it was clearly just an unfortunate racing incident.

Kudos to Kvyat for his cool-headed and good-humoured reaction when Vettel complained in the cool-down room. I liked that.

41

Kvyat was so pleased with getting a podium, he wasn't about to let Vettal spoil his fun. He gave as good as he got

42

Yep, definitely Marchiones' presence. Plus the honeymoon period is over for Vettel. He's no 1, Arrivabene talking up the team pre-season, no more riding out unexpected wins. They are wanting/needing a legitimate and constant threat to Merc dominance. He wants to please the boss, otherwise I don't think that incident would have sat inside him the whole race.
Plus I kind of liked Vettel's reaction. The guy is annoyed, let him be annoyed. There's not enough moxy, and too many plastered on corporate permasmiles in F1. Better than that moody teenage nonsense between Rosberg and Hamilton.

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Yea, Vettel had a big flinch when he noticed the other car. This cost him several feet and brought him that much closer to Kimi. If he'd have held his line, he just might have had the room required to back out when the Big Pinch started.

Since James is looking for someone to "Blame," I pick .... Rosberg! He nearly chopped Kimi's nose off, forcing KR to lock-up, slow, and push wide. (Vettel might have also been slowed just a tad.) Vettel jumped in, DK followed, and Kimi, who was possibly a little incautious, came back down at just the wrong time. Boom.

I do agree with Seb that DK was going fast and was definitely going to drift fairly wide as the turn tightened.

44

Both Feraris ran too deep into the first corner, causing them to run wide after Kimi's lockup (when he nearly ran into the back of Rosberg).
In comparison, Kvyat braked earlier and initially fell back, but was able to get on the power much earlier, which allowed him to squirt past Vettel when the gap opened on the inside.
Kvyat does appear to drift wide, but it wasn't because he was going too fast, it was because Kimi's car hit him and unbalanced Daniil's car.
Like Daniel, Seb started on the right side of the track and had the inside run into turn 1. He should have braked earlier and held the inside line to close off the gap, instead of following Kimi too deep into the corner and running wide.

45

yes Greg, finally someone sees what really happened. KR locked up to avoid Rosberg and eveyrthing else follows from that one move.

46

Same happening on a public road Kvyat would need a very very good lawyer and he would be in trouble saying already that he didn't see Kimi. He is the one from behind who has to judge the riscs for an accident at a overtake. He failed...

47

Public Road? Were they racing in a public road? If they were then they all need good lawyers for sure.

48

DK was ahead when Seb had his little panic moment. And he wasn't out of control either. Zero fault on the part of DK. Overhead shot shows you all you need to know.

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It's wasn't a public road so that argument is irrelevant. There was a huge gap for Kyvat to aim for. It wasn't mad or suicidal. What it does show, yet again, is that as far as racecraft goes Vettel isn't great - hence his overreactions.

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Unfortunately, this is no public road "this is racing". All your lawyer would need to say is " he saw a gap and went for it"

51

Except they're not on a public road ...

52

Same happening on a public road...

In that case, none of what you've said would be necessary because all 22 of them would be done for speeding, and for breaking noise regulations, and for not having number plates or indicators or head/tail lights, etc....

53

this is racing...not driving on a motorway!

54

There's a reason why a Race Track is called, well, a Race Track.

55

Comparing driving an F1 car around a purpose made track with driving your VW diesel around town! Lol

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@seidenkister, lol WHAT??? Public road??? Lawyer???? This is F1, this is racing!!!! Rules that apply to you and I while driving on a public road have absolutely NOTHING to do with the rules regarding overtaking in a competative, non-gentleman's race.

Seriously man, people need to bone up on their knowledge of how overtaking at the highest levels of racing works.

@James Allen, maybe an idea for a feature? The rules of overtaking. Let's elliminate some of this misunderstanding and misconception that seems to fly around nearly every time someone makes a pass which isn't DRS assisted.

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Maybe you could enlighten us all Twitch.

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I'm a Ferrari & Vettel fan. Even I think it's just a racing incident. If you compare the incidents in F1 to the road rules, no one will have a license due to dangerous driving & going over the speed limit. I think Vettel reacted angrily initially only because he feels guilty about hitting his teammate. We are reading too much into nothing in my view.

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I think Vettel and Raikkonen would do better if there wasn`t so called pressure to perform by driving Ferrari. They have to let go fantasy of accomplishment by just being on the pay roll of Ferrari.

Vettel all the way but he is talking too much lately. He is distracted buy issues that are not under his control.

60

Vettel can be as mad as he wants. Fact of the matter is that Vettel has done that same exact move dozens of times! Vettel should be mad at himself, not the one that got the inside line! He never came within a tires width of him!

61

Kvyat was very bold but it was a combination of factors that contributed so just a racing incident.

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If I was in Vettel's racing boots, I would say exactly the same thing because you might as well do so. But, I am on Kvyat's side on this matter. It's racing and it's the first turn. If he isn't willing to go for it, then he isn't worthy of an F1 seat.

It was a good try by Vettel to intimidate the younger Russian, but Kvyat wasn't having any of that. Good for Daniil and watch out for him at the Russian GP!

63

I said it before, I'm a Vettel fan. However, for this instance, I'm on kvyat's side. I think history will tell us that the Russians aren't intimidated by anyone in any battle.

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With a one / two finish it almost wipes out the deficit, Ferrari proved in Chinese F1 in the race pace are equal if not better then Mercedes, come Spain F1 the qualify will be much closer, I am to believe since Raikkonen & Vettel have had Turbo problems Ferrari was forced to program mode of the PU, thus reduced rpm. In view James Allison being back at Maranello & Jock Clear getting in grips with the operation its only a question of time to surpass Mercedes.

65

James, I'm interested how you seen this incident? I thought kimi took a very sharp turn in after his look up and probably could have shown more caution.

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Agree that Kimi took an aggressive line after locking to avoid Rosberg. It takes two cars to pinch; Vettel was off to the left slightly (after watching the replay several times in slow motion, it wasn't wild avoiding action by any means) which meant his and Kimi's cars touched, but rather that than Kvyat getting touched and spearing across the track.

No one is innocent per se which makes it a racing incident. But blame might be apportioned 40 Kimi, 25 Seb, 25 Daniil, 10 Nico. I don't agree with the poll results obviously but think those might be tainted by Vettel's outburst.

Coming back on track, I'm afraid Kimi looks like he just didn't care and his thought was that the cars behind ought to sort themselves out.

Kimi and Seb are my favourite drivers for some time now, so the first corner incident was disappointing to say the least!

67

Rejoining the track is a talking point. Remember Silverstone a couple of years back when he went off and cut back on to the track, taking out another car?

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James and others - You might want to view this latest clip on the F1 Website which perfectly highlights Saubers / Hamiltons demise. Labelled "Lewis caught in the storm at turn 2

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/latest/features/2016/4/china-best-onboard-action.html

Its abundantly clear about 20sec in that Nasr Sauber avoids the front wing in the middle of the track. Raikkonen is barely on the tracks edge and in noones way whilst edging carefully back on. Sauber going round the front wing collects Hamilton without looking.

James can we please have an apology for blaming Kimi Raikkonen again oh no thats right you want him out of Ferrari so Dan Ricciardo can have it- dont worry I want him out of F1 too only because the politics dont stop on the track- it continues on to places like this. I'm glad stewards exist in F1 because people would be burned at the stake by the media for absolutely no reason at all.

69

I voted for Kimi after watching the side-by-side in car footage a couple of times just now. SV leaves a huge gap and DK takes advantage, as he should. Then watch Kimi turn right into SV when he had plenty of room to stay further left and avoid contact. I'm sure that if KR wasn't a red Ferrari SV would certainly place the blame there!

Some might say Kimi was ahead, but to turn in towards the apex from where he was on the track is asking for trouble. Especially on the first lap when there is a 98% chance that other cars will be in that position.

70

Really? so now its Kimi's fault?
there was no car alongside Kimi, & he was minding his own business!! He was defending his position; those behind him should have taken more caution.
That said it was just a racing incident. Nobody's fault, but if anything kvyat triggered it by carrying too much speed & basically under-steering into Vettel's path

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So whats does he do -sit off track and give up the race ? Besides would Silverstone incident have happened if the track drains were fixed?- most likely Not. When someone pushes you off - first instinct of any racer is to get back to pits & race.

The question should be how many cars would have been taken out if he let the Gutierrez's Sauber hit him on the preceding corner exit in Silverstone 14. Perhaps stewards should be penalising drivers who are less alert than he is-Rather than the resulting consequences

72

Rejoin with caution that's what the rules state. I don't believe he shown any in either race

73

HE DID watch the clip "Hamilton caught in storm at turn 2"clip about 20 sec in. It was the Sauber avoiding a front wing.. You can see Kimi edging cautiously on track.. Had absolutely nothing to do with any of it-- thats why the stewards let it be.. Bet there are too many biased people here including out host.

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/latest/features/2016/4/china-best-onboard-action.html

74

Nice way to put it !

75

Maybe he should put up a red light or wait a few laps before he attempts to rejoin

76

I'm assuming that Nasr or Hammilton would have been on the radio complaining about Kimi's re-entry. Do you know if it was reviewed by the stewards? Whats the rule? I assume its "give way"?

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"I'm assuming that Nasr or Hammilton would have been on the radio complaining about Kimi's re-entry."

Why??

Honestly, have you watched the replay??

Kimi nudges back onto the circuit like a snail.

Nasr then fully over reacts for some reason and whacks Hamilton.

78

I don't think waz was posting about Kimi rejoining the track after he was hit by Vettel, I believe he was referring to the line Kimi took after a bit of a lock up leaving only enough room for one car to squeeze through on the inside, not enough for two. As for Kimi rejoining the track, I don't think Silverstone is an apt comparison. That off was his own doing. In China, Kimi did not wildly cross the track, but he rejoined on the outside of the corner I assume knowing he had substantial damage.

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No, the Silverstone Off was the doing of the Sauber of Gutierrez from the preceding corner. Kimi was overtaking round the outside & was alongside when he was pushed off the track to the run off. When he rejoined he hit a drainage edge on the track that speared him accross.. - that track edge has been rectified Since (very quietly I might add) 2 years later people are still blaming Raikkonen for it- when a) He was forced off by another car & b) it was rough drainage edge that destabalized him when he re-entered.

Congratulations to the english press for such unnecessary gossip!

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Yes I was referring to kimis cut back after his lock up. I agree with your points

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@ james...thank you for that comment as i was trying to remember when that occurred. i recall waiting an hour or so for the safety fence to be repaired!!! raikonnen has form in issues like this and although the stewards ruled it a racing incident and i go along with that, there are some dangerous precedents being set.

82

Yes there are some dangerous precedents being set - By The Media!

83

Aww damn, James beat me to it. I was going to mention Silverstone 2014. It's also very similar to the GP2 Feature Race from Sochi in 2015, where Markolov and a couple others re-entered the track after running wide through T1. They cut directly in front of several other cars, and it caused havoc.

The only way this latest incedent in China is different is that Kimi did not have all 4 wheels off the race track, rather he just drastically changed his line once he regained front grip.

With the new paved runoff areas, perhaps some more thought needs to be put into how a driver may legally re-enter the race track.

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No, in China Kimi changed 'dramatic' direction curring into the curve as result of being nudged by Vettel on Kimi's rear right side. You can see this in the Vettel onboard video.

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Massa wasn't it? I'm not so sure Kimi was in full control of that one - I think he was rejoining the track whether he wanted to or not.

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Kimi was in superb control when Guiterrez Sauber didnt see him on the outside (Most drivers would have collected him) he swerved off track kept the boot in had full control in the speedy offtrack then was jacknifed by a drainage edge when he tried to rejoin - speared him accross into the left wall, bounced back into the middle of the track for Felipe Massa. The edge of the track was fixed in the new year and noone ever said anything about it.. But for 2 years Ive been hearing this garbage about dangerous rejoining.. By the british press who loathe him..almost as much as he loathes them so I huess its to be expected ????????????

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Yes. He re entered the track like a lunatic in Silverstone and hit a pot hole or a high kerb sending him in a spin? I believe rule book states 'you may only return to the track when it's safe to do so' ? That's definitely a rule that is constantly abused and over looked by all

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@waz - it was not pole or a high kerb it was drain edge kerbing that was barely visible but its still enough to destabalize an F1 car at 200kph. It was smoothed over in NY 2015. The marshals saw it and let it be 2 years later armchair jokers still poking fingers at the wrong peope- Get Over it !!

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It seemed as KR had to break to avoid crushing into NR. The tyres locked and he slid opening the way for SV. Not clear why SV left enough space on inside. DK used the opportunity and passed SV. 100% correct move. If SV wants to blame anyone he can blame himself. He could see DK coming inside, he knew KR will come back after sliding, he had to start braking if he wanted to avoid the accident. He said “I tried to back out of it, going off throttle and hitting the brakes...”, but, from what I could see he did not hit the brakes before he hit his team mate. If he had any respect for his team mate he would have started braking earlier. But we know that SV does not have any respect for team mates on the track, no matter what he says.

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Glad Im not the only one who spotted that, basically all started by Rosberg forcing Kimi into that move as I think Rosberg wasnt expecting DR to be there fighting him for a 1st place/

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"We know that SV does not have any respect" .. really man?

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SV was trying to push Kimi wide to win track position for the next left.

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100% a legit move, and the resulting contact was 100% a racing incident. Any driver on the grid would have done the same thing. Any driver who would not have gone for that gap has no place being on a F1 grid.

I fully understand why Vettel was upset, most in his situation would react the same way. All his ranting and raving was before he had a chance to watch replays. Respect to him for manning up, and changing his stance on the incedent upon review.

What am I saying though, according to many internet "experts", Seb has no idea what he's talking about as the move was most definitely "not on"......LOL

For years, people complain there is no overtaking. Then they complain that DRS overtaking is a gimmick (I'm not denying that btw). When they finally get to see a legit, hard, aggressive, overtake, people complain and say the overtaking driver deserves a penalty, even though no contact was made. I know you can't please everyone all the time, but that's just rediculous.

Overtaking in F1 is, and always has been, absolutely ruthless. This isn't gentleman racing in vintage racecars. If you see a gap, you go for it. Once you have your front wheels even a few inches in front of the defending driver's front wheels, you pay him no regard, force him wide, and shut the door. Once you control an apex, it is yours to do with as you please.

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!@twitch6...yes, i do concur with your analysis but i would add a rider to that insofar as the driver making the pass needs to be aware of the risk he takes to his own race if he doesn't get it just dead right. had vettel and kvyat actually come into contact then i'm reasonably certain there would've been a different stewards decision.

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Well said I think Twitch.

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No epic pass has ever been epic unless it was a hair away from going horribly wrong.

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@Sebee, nail on the head right there!

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Very well said Sebee

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Perhaps "the media" should allow the "cooling off room" to be just that. Give the guys a break and let them alone to get refocused for the good of the sport. As Haas said earlier in the week, F-1 is a soap opera and maybe it would be good to think a lot more about outcomes and a lot less about ratings and such, eh?

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Totally agree, can you imagine the adrenaline they must be feeling after racing (and during)? Plus when you see the onboard on Vettel's car the incident looked different, we had the benefit of an arial shot and the onboards of other vehicles, the drivers didn't so they are naturally going to see it a different way and be angry about it. The cool down room should be just that, letting them cool off, discuss stuff - argue if they want, without having to defend that in the media later.

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F1 fans are hard to please lol...
First all drivers are too "corporate", sound like "robots", always say the same phrases, we need "personalities" like Senna, Hunt, Alonso... the first second the drivers show their "true colours", people freak out and it's bad for the sport. lol Let them vent and rant at each other, they get paid millions to drive, they have every right to be angry and express themselves. That's what we WANT, not just fluffy comments prepared by their PR team.

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Yeah the drivers were just discussing and it's completely normal because they just got out of the car and don't know what happened from the other drivers point of view but the media made a big fuss saying "pre-podium outburst" "heated argument" etc .. cmon you could see they were nowhere near angry when they were doing the podium interviews

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The number of races per season actually having as much over taking being so low.. its better they show the cool off room conversations only.. it was funny watching how akwardly SV was trying sheepishly to recover from the embaressing show in front of their Prez 😀 it was very funny the tone in which he hauled up Kvyat, Even Kvyat knew Vettel was just going through the motions rying to salvage some excuse!! 😉 it was like this great farce performance mock fight that Kvyat was going through with just for fun

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@garret bruce...thoroughly enjoyed haas's comments re the whingers and whiners [soap opers] he was spot on.

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Sebastian Vettel over-reacting again! Just like he did last year after his tyre blow out in Belgium when he was being interviewed by Lee McKenzie, effing and blinding in front a live TV audience, where's his manners..............

It's never a good idea straight after a race for any driver to vent his feelings. I remember many years ago Riccairdo Patrese (Williams) hit the back of Gerhard Berger (McLaren) when "Cheese" Berger was attempting to peel off into the pit-lane. The resultant collision sent Signor Patrese launching into the air, for a split second it seemed the Williams would flip but mercifully it corrected itself and belly flopped onto the track, dragging along the pit lane. Ricciardo was unhurt, but very shocked, and in the heat of the moment told a load of journalists that Gerhard was "a killer."

After he had got over his fright, Mr Patrese was retracted his statement over Gerhard and was full of remorse and regret over his choice of words towards the very likeable Austrian.

So Herr Vettel, best to wind down a bit after the race before uttering your command of Anglo-Saxon!

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The thing is this incident happed at the start of the race and vettel blew a headgasket after the race - plenty of time to cool off - only shows what his mindset continues to be = never his fault

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Gaz, Estoril, was there and saw it, very scary. Used to be a great weekend in the sun in Cascais.

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He has not learned from the past, unfortunately. I remember the cucumber phase. There is a lack of man approach in his behaviour that is annoying me, but despite the shortcomings I accept him as is. This makes him vulnerable facing badass guys like Ricci. Ricci has noticed and takes advantage in his fight with Vettel. On the other hand, he has many qualities that makes him so competitive.

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Gaz, nothing wrong with venting. That's part of the problem with modern F1, everything goes through a PR person and we hardly every get to hear the true feelings of a driver or experience that raw emotion. All we hear is the politically correct script they were asked to say. Was he in the wrong? Sure, but that's okay. He was just being passionate and it was cool to see.

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Let 'em vent, let 'em argue! Not only giving us something to talk about but insight into character and mindset, as well as a world champion sort of pulling rank and admonishing a young upstart. More for me please, haha, in the end we all want more drama, don't we!

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Wow, 6% of them think it's Kimis fault. Kvyat was lucky vettel was there, imagine if it was Maladonado. But he won't be lucky next time

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I was one of "them". Although "racing incident" would do just fine with me too. But one needs to point fingers to anybody, it would be Kimi. Let's see :

- Kvyat went for a gap that clearly was there, whether there were one or two cars outside, the track is large enough for that. He may have carried a little bit too much speed and understeered from the apex, but that was after Vettel had already steered left. Maybe slightly divebombing, but not responsible for the crash.
- Vettel tried to back out of it, he could have done it a bit sooner, but why should he back out of it in the first place ? He did it to avoid contact with his teammate, but he was entitled to his line. Innocent victim.
- Raikkonen had an oversteer moment that sent him very wide, then cut back a bit aggresively to the inside, giving the squeeze to Vettel. He clearly did that thinking that there was only Vettel inside, but at that point there were already two cars inside. Whether he could see Kvyat or wasn't looking that far we cannot know. But the point is, he cut back and IMHO didn't leave enough space for two cars.

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Important point to consider is that both Kimi and DK were ahead of Seb at the point of contact...

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Even so, Kimi was slower than both - he has mirrors and should be aware of his surroundings. Most drivers when pushed out wide, for whatever reason, will stay wide on the first corner as there is a 98% chance that other drivers will be on the inside.

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Afraid I have to disagree Neil. If you're ahead, you're ahead. DK's corner, then Kimi's corner, then Seb's last of all. He should have lifted. Just my opinion.

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Agree to disagree 🙂
I just think that if you look at all three car's lines, Kimi is the driver cutting across at the time he tangles with SV. Kimi was ahead on the track but certainly didn't have the corner, he should have been aware of SV coming through just as SV was aware of DK! Great opportunistic move by DK btw.

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Hahh!-- Cutting across- Its called taking a corner - a very tight rand hander at that & your totally wrong - its the guy behinds responsibility to go for the apex or Back Out in this case- Seb hesitated ( & he said so afterwards) then Kvyat took it both hands!. Seb was selfish and did not want to yield to Raikkonen who was faster all weekend. In the end he damaged both cars and certainly a chance at 2 a dble podium for the team.

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well I feel it is an racing accident as Kimi has to take turn and Sebastian can not break and become sandwich between Kvyat and Kimi both Ferrari driver has missed the apex and there is enough room for Kvyat to take advantage so we can not blame any one of them.

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There is some merit in considering the act of rejoining the track by Kimi to be a little bit extreme - so 6% is a fair reflection of that. Also, I can't see how Maldonado or any other driver could have done much worse.

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See there are advantages Kimi has talking so little.. Out of sight out of mind.. even when he locked up and slid and compromised both himself and Vettel by dancing back in front of him and then after being knocked out.. that dangerous re entry where he spooked the Sauber into bumping into Hamilton.. kimi can let it all slide.. hell he can slide in front of vettel, He slid off with Alonso on top of his car last year also 😀 Can Kimi do it? Yes Kimi can.. the votes are testimony to it

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Even if I consider it a racing incident, there's as much guilt in Kimi (not realising there were two cars in the inside) as it is in Seb (not braking to avoid contact).
Perhaps we should blame Nico. Had he had a perfect start, Kimi wouldn't have had to brake (and lock up) at turn 1, which was the initial cause of this melee. O:)

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Strange to even talk about it. Kvyat's move absolutely normal, like every other normal move in F1. Vettel can't accept the fact that he might be wrong or at least other people are not wrong. He screwed Kimi's race and my Sunday morning:-) But what makes it hard to swallow is the number of mistakes from Ferrari: wrong strategies, driver's errors, reliability issues. You are not going to beat Merc like this. Ferrari seems to be very chaotic. They have a better car now, but operate poorly. I have a feeling they were almost flawless last year and now they are making all possible mistakes that are there to be made. Red Bull totally shocked me...sorry to see Daniel's tire explode...he is very talented, hope RB will have a top notch engine next year

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"Vettel can't accept the fact that he might be wrong"

That's why he changed his speech after seeing the replays... the [Mod] is strong in here lol

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I'd wager that the "speech" was only altered after the team had demanded he wasn't to embarrass them.

If he had any conviction to the change in story he would have publicly apologised to DK.

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Are they perhaps feeling the heat from the Big Boss Man laying down the law... watch out for the prancing horse head on a pillow near you soon.

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"hope RB will have a top notch engine next year"

Hey, they already have a top watch engine, what more do they want? 🙂

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😀

Well done!

Maybe they just need to wind it up a bit?

🙂

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After a relaxed, reasonably successful year with limited expectations, I think Ferrari are probably "trying too hard" in 2016. The team is creaking under the strain.

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It looked a pretty straightforward racing incident to me. But I thought it was interesting that Vettel felt the need to justify himself so vociferously. Perhaps a sign that he felt under pressure from his bosses?

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It was a racing incident, we've seen plenty of them on the opening lap/corner before and will see them again. Kimi rejoining the race track in the manner in which he did is a different matter after all we have seen penalties for how a car rejoins the track after leaving it before. But as the stewards didn't even investigate it no foul. I was a little surprised that Bottas got a penalty last race, but after seeing it several times I think he got one because he would have been unable to make the corner safely.

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The move was genuinely a racing incident.

Of course, it was triggered by Kimi, not leaving room for the other two cars but it was impossible for him to see Kvyat and he was keen on leaving the mandatory "one car width" for his team mate.

The whining from Vettel all along the race and then at the podium was a bit of a shame for himself but I'm happy that he calmed down later (Could have someone told him Kvyat's move was legit?).

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A racing incident...caused by Kimi.
Vettel berates Kvyat and apologises to KR....maybe when he watches it back he'll realise he got it the wrong way around.

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I guess it's a sign that I spend too much time in the comments section of this site that my first thought was "can you imagine the stick Lewis would have got if he had done that"! I thought it was a racing incident, just one of those things, but I thought Seb's insults over the radio were pointless and uncalled for.

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Hello Seb that's a nice new car
Yes it's red and should go far
It's nice to be the Team's Big Cheese
My hero Michael drove in these

But people say it's not so quick
Well yes we always get some stick
As soon as we don't get the wins
They want to put us in the bins

So I am taking all my notes
And practicing my media quotes
I have to go and be the man
But when I'm not I have a plan

Shifting the blame in advance
Shifting the blame in advance
When the big red car just fails to prance
We're shifting the blame in advance

I don't always get it right
Especially when it's fierce and tight
Sometimes when I overtake
I cannot without bits that break

Team orders I will oft ignore
As being last is such a bore
It's better than a car with Cossie
And my team mate isn't Aussie

I should know to use my eyes
When a rookie takes me by surprise
I did not see until too late
And ran into my own team mate

But that's Ok as I can lie
And say he didn't really try
To see if I was in his way
So I have planned what I will say

Shifting the blame in advance
Shifting the blame in advance
When the big red car just fails to prance
We're shifting the blame in advance.

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Mate that was a beautiful poem....multi 21 out of 10

136

Thank you. A very witty response too, gave me a good laugh.

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It was like the DRS of arguments 😛

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A racing incident yes but Vettel should have blocked the inside line to Kvyat that fraction sooner & he knows it!- What we saw in the cool down room was Sebastian diverting attention as only he does so well.He should have got nominated for an Oscar -he intentionally "caight" the camera and then proceeded to raise his voice. Kvyat handled it really well I thought and at the end of the day he gained the most on track and deserves driver of the day- even if I believe DR & KR put on the best drives coming back through the field.

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http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video/2016/4/Torpedo_or_terrific__Onboard_with_Kvyat_and_Vettel_at_Turn_1.html

If you watch that video you can see that Seb has 0 argument. Kimi hit the brakes to avoid hitting ROS, at that point Seb goes wide, then Kimi tries to go back to the line, at the same time DK goes into the giant gap left by Seb, Seb tries to close the gap that is no longer there because DK is already past him. Its not even Seb's fault IMO, its all kimi's fault. Kimi almost hits ROS, he has to brake really hard, then tries to go back into the line, but seb is there, he hits Seb, which almost hits DK. Kimi gets almost spun and hits DK. Its all Kimis fault lol But Seb being the big man he is(sarcasm) takes it out on DK. It was a totally clean move by DK.

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James, the website doesnt remember my posting info(name and email) anymore. Can you fix it? Im lazy =)

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I can sum it up with someone else's words.

"And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, we are competing to win."

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Harry Snapper Organs

Exactly. +1000.
What would Aryton have done? Exactly what KYV did.

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do you see difference between how the mercs reacted when their drivers collided in spa which was a hairline touch! and now how the ferrari management has handled this situation. that's really mature...that time everyone was up in arms made rosberg the villain. Totally unnecessary!

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Totally different situation.

This was a racing incedent in the chaos of T1.

Spa 2014 was a dumb move from Rosberg that was never going to work.

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Ricki Sanguinetti

Vettel should have known that it was a racing incident before going off on his radio to his team boss.He was evidently scared of the wrath awaiting him therefore needed a sacrificial goat.
On the Mercedes duo,there is much tameness between them like a secret pact has been signed between them! "I am the Leceister of F1!" and "Lewis is still the benchmark" hypes are too nice to my liking.Not asking for war,though.

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matthew Cheshire2002

There's more here than an aggressive move and a shunt on the track.

1- Kvyat has obviously had Marco light a fire under his seat - understandable

2- Vettel is wishing his instinct to preserve the car kicked in before he realised it was better to hold his line and hit Kvyat than swerve into Kimi - it was too quick for a decision, instinctive reactions are all you can use

3- Marchionne was watching, so Vettel needed to fight Ferrari's corner rather than let it go. - not pretty, but that's how they choose to compete

Unfortunately for Vettel, there are echo's of "crash baby" antics here, and its probably unwarranted. If anything, his driving reactions were too good- lesser drivers would have run into the Red Bull.

What I am sure of, is if the roles were reversed, Vettel, Marchione and even Arrivabene would have been very happy to get 2nd place with that move.

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Agreed!
Clearly Vettel should have closed the inside line, so Kvyat was blocked thoroughly from passing through. That is probably what is nagging Vettel the most, as he let the competition drive through.

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1. First of all it was a racing incident. There is no doubt about it.
2. Kvyat has made an "all or nothing" move there is no doubt about it either.

His "I saw a gap" justification is childish there is always a gap in the inside but ask Alonso who has taken a look at a wheel from half an inch what he thinks about going for that "gap" on the opening lap.
Daniil was just lucky this time to get away from it because Vetel had his team mate on his left. If other than Kimi was there Vetel would have aggressively gone for the gap himself and Daniil would T boned him for sure.
This happens almost in every race and the "hero" is usually a less experienced driver.
In my opinion to balme is "The Tilke trap | design of the Turn 1 which present a track layout that cannot be physically followed (with the turn radius of an F1 car if you defend the inside you end outside on the grass at the exit)
I wonder if designs of circuits and F1 rules & regulations in general are lately approved by the Association of Small Animal Breeders, or "The Annual Congress of the Tailors"

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So the circuit has been there, unaltered, for over 10 years. The 2016 F1 cars were designed last year. Of course, this implies that the inability of the cars to navigate the turn is the fault of the circuit, and in no way shape or form, the fault of the car.

The cars manage to get around the hairpin at Monaco, they can figure out how to get around T1 in China.

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Honestly Vettel had a little but of truth in what he said. Kvyat did run wide after the overtake as he had a lot more speed how come nobody is seeing this? Wouldve had a crash one way or another but after Vettel avoided it, like any driver would, it was a racing incident ...

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"Kvyat ran wide after the overtake"

He has every right to do so. Once Kvyat is ahead, it is his corner, and he is allowed to run wide to the left. His only responsibility is to leave Seb enough room to not be forced off track. It was not Kvyat's responsibility to know that Kimi was rejoining the track.

Also, by the time that Kvyat does push wide to the left, he is fully clear and ahead of Vettel, such was the speed with which he passed.

152

Kvyat will not be at Red Bull next season. He is clearly not on Ricciardo's level. His two podiums have come from misfortune to others infront of him and he has been gifted them. He has never shown any ability of being able to handle the pressure. He is rarely in front of Ricciardo in qualifying and likewise in the race. Has never shown any WC qualities. He is a good driver but will never win a WC, always better drivers. As for China, the only reason Kvyat made it to the podium was because of a puncture to Ricciardo. Without that, I believe the entire paddock knows it would have finished ROS. RIC. VET... Ricciardo finished 7s behind Kvyat and had a puncture, caught out by the safety car and also overtook nearly the entire field, Hamilton and Raikonnen included.. All this race showed was how fast Ricciardo is and how slow Kvyat is compared.

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I'm surprised to see so many people who think this was not Kvyat's fault in any way. I feel it was a racing incident overall but Kvyat was not on the normal line and could not have held his position to complete the pass. The only difference between what Kvyat did in China and what Bottas did in Bahrain was Vettel reacted and hit his teammate and Hamilton did not. Had Vettel held his line and Kvyat hit him, what would everyone have to say then? Vettel was ahead and much closer to what would be the "racing line". Vettel reacted and was unlucky enough to have his teammate coming back towards him at the same time. I don't think any one person should be penalized but I don't think Bottas should have been penalized in Bahrain either.

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It's been posted over and over but, here it comes again, side by side, the on board cameras of SV and DK at the start and T1-2:

https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video/2016/4/Torpedo_or_terrific__Onboard_with_Kvyat_and_Vettel_at_Turn_1.html

0:06 Having had a better start, DK makes a right hand side attempt on SV but, seeing there's not enough gap, he breaks.
0:09 NR, who was on the outside, cuts in front of KR, the Finn reacts hitting the breaks and running wide.
0:11 SV, who has gone almost as wide as KR, leaves a humongous gap on the inside to a faster DK.
0:12 DK's front wing is already ahead of that of SV. KR is re-joining the race line, perhaps, intending to fulfil the mandatory "one car's width" to his team mate but unaware of DK.
0:13 KR and DK rear tyres are in line with SV, both are ahead and faster than the German. The Finn is on "collision course".
0:15 SV, who is kissing the outside line after the "contact", re-joins the race line unaware of (or not caring about) other cars and makes a second contact to NH's rear tyre.

Seen that way, with the information each driver had, SV was the only one who chose not to avoid a contact.

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This is an unusual corner, because it just keeps going right. The fastest line is to hug the inside kerb for the first part of the turn then allow the car to run wide in order to "straighten" the tight right-left turn at the end of the complex. So Kvyat actually does follow a conventional line through the corner.
Vettel's problem was that he had to lift to avoid Kimi, ran wide and lost touch with the racing line, thus handing the corner to Kvyat.
I can't see that Daniil did much wrong.
Even Sebastian will now concede that his "madman" comments were an over-reaction.

156

I think you need to watch the footage again. Seb left a huuuuuge gap and DK went through. Seb was behind both DK and Kimi.

The truth is there to see on YouTube quite easily.

157

I thought it was great, haven't got to see Seb throw his toys out the pram for a while! Racing incident, Kvyat carried a hell of a lot of speed into the corner but the space was there, it was a space that was always going to disappear but a space none the less. Vettel saw him coming towards him at a vast rate of knots, panicked and veered the other way into Raikkonen.

Moot point, if Vettel had held his ground and Kvyat speared him, would it have then been Kvyat's fault, and would he have deserved a penalty?

I think Vettel's reaction was justified, it was a bit of a wild move but I think he is more just annoyed that he got out muscled.

158

SV veered left when DK was already side by side, going faster and sticking to the kerbs for almost 2 seconds after that. There's no way DK could have "speared him".

*IF* SV would have kept his line, he might have smacked DK's side or rear tyre (as he did with NH a few seconds later) *OR* their tyres might have tangled with unpredictable results (perhaps, from a race with not a single DNF, to a history record of DNFs) 😉

159

In reality if he kept his line, Kvyat would have hit him, making it 2 DNF in 3 races, and really crushing is title hopes. He finished second, for all its worth, Vettel couldn't have done anything better than that. Vettel didn't win 4 championships based on luck

160

Go on DK. I think he was absolutely right to do what he did and his reaction to Seb (laughter) was fantastic. Who the hell does he think he is having a go at him like that? I trust he's made zero effort to apologise for having such a hissy fit at him?

Entirely Seb's fault for me. Looking at the overhead shots, both DK and Kimi were ahead of him when it happened. He left a HUGE gap up the inside which was really silly and DK filled the gap and passed him. Then when Seb tries to turn in he sees DK is there, panics and turns into Kimi. Very poor spatial awareness and he was expecting to just bully Kimi out of the way. He should have had a penalty for it in my opinion. All he needed to do was back out of it, realise he'd been beaten by Kimi and DK and just got on with his race.

His closely guarded true colours have shown yet again. A thoroughly unpleasant outburst from him and demonstrates his delusions of grandeur very well.

GO DK!!! Wish him all the best for Russia!

161

Yes it was quite obviously a racing incident.. What's missing? "SORRY DANIIL I WAS WRONG MATE". Takes a man to say that though doesn't it.

162

I really like vettel but this outburst was like something you'd see in a theater dressing room between a 2 drama queens squabbling over lip stick.
The pressure,frustration,realisation is starting to dawn on Seb that maybe,just maybe Alonso was right. And it's hard to think that anyone is gonna beat a Mercedes this year.
I read lots about how the engine is just too good in the Mercedes but the reality is that it's not that much better,but the whole car is epic.
As Nico said,that was the most perfectly balanced car he's ever driven.

Lewis......drop the Mr nice guy act,let's see the fighting tiger........nice guys always come last,just ask Nico!

163

I like how maldonado still gets dragged into everything. Face it he's gone. Renault and williams are bumping along down the field without his cash injection. Hope the money is going somewhere it wont be squandered.

164

Not sure why. But my comments never work

166

As a life long Ferrari fan and a staunch supporter I can say with some authority and wry amusement that Seb was playing the classic game of transferring the blame. Daniel's move was brilliant, spooking Seb into turning left not right, where his wildly understeering team mate was unlucky enough to be lurking. Seb's fault but a racing incident nonetheless.

167

1. Kimi run wide which opened a gap
2. Vettel also run a little wide but went for the gap to vertake Kimi
3. Both Ferraris running wide left a big gap for Kvyat

The contact was mostly Kimis (51 % blame) fault for steering back into Vettels (49 %) path, but neither driver did anything worthy of a penalty. The second place for Vettel was the maximum anyway for anyone not named Nico Rosberg, so no big deal. Some other drivers used strong words in the race, like Grosjean for Ericcson and yes Kvyat for Palmer. Did they apologize ? Do we care ?

168

Finally we can see better what went wrong in racing accident. A bit of everybody, but I am not sure now if Vettel was major contributor of accident.
https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video/2016/4/Torpedo_or_terrific__Onboard_with_Kvyat_and_Vettel_at_Turn_1.html

169

I'd say this is a racing incident, and let's hope it occurs more in the future! What an exciting spectacle it has provided I must say.

170

Vettel would have made the same move if he was in Kvyats position.

171

It would be interesting to see the Throttle and Break use for Kvyat and Vettel.

It seems that Vettel was about to accellerate in order to overtake Kimi (after Kimi went wide to avoid hitting Rosberg), when he realised that Kvyat was already there.
Hence, Vettel steered slightly to the left to avoid hitting Kvyat and hits Kimi instead who is trying to cover Vettel's overtaking move.
Racing incident.

Kvyat should have said: "I was racing. I was faster. I overtook you. I finished on the Podium." 😉

172

While I do believe this is a racing incident, it's odd to see it so swiftly swept under the rug after the excessively harsh penalty dealt to Bottas for a similar risky move in the previous race. They were both racing incidents in my opinion. It looked to me that Bottas and Kvyat made risky dives into the 1st corner while Hamilton didn't react and cut down into Bottas and Vettel reacted too much and contacted Kimi.

James, has there been any talk in the paddock tying these two incidents together?

173

Maldo had several of these 'dive bombing' excursions.
Think he got penalized for most of them.
Main difference is though in Maldo's cases then the opponent (and sometimes also himself) ended up as a crash wreck on the side of the track...
Here it was only Kimi that got his nose driven off and all could continue racing.

174

As far as the track goes: Racing incident. Refreshing to see no penalties beyond the resulting damage to the cars. Everyone pushed to the limit without going beyond it, some were lucky, others were not.

Vettel's initial reaction was a bit overboard, but understandably so given the missed opportunity. After having time to reflect it sounds like he came to a reasonable conclusion so all's good as far as I'm concerned.

F1 as a whole needs more of this type of action, and to shout it from the rooftops when it happens, racing, personalities, and drama! It also needs to do a lot less whining about how terrible everything is when it's frankly not, because as a fan I am sick of listening to it. Before anyone responds, this comment is in no way directed at James or this site of which I am a huge fan, but rather at the F1 community as a whole.

175

Kvyat showed a lot of racing maturity with his quick and correct answers to Vettel after the race. And he showed a lot of moxie with his charge up the inside. Red Bull will put a little tick in the re-hire box for that one.

After seeing the pre-race interview with the big Ferrari boss Marchionne who came across really ominous and hard-nosed like a slave ship captain, it's not surprising Vettel tried to go sixteen different ways at the start. Then he blames it on Kvyat when Kvyat had a hole so big a truck could have driven through it.

I think the Ferrari boys were under so much pressure to stay just out if reach of the boss's whip, who for all intents and purposes pretty much gave them an ultimatum, they just got rattled to the point where they couldn't even get out of their own way, much less find a route through the turn.

I would blame this racing incident squarely on Marchionne to whom I would give ZERO points for his lengthy monotone threatening pre-race - we better win or else - interview.

If anybody at Ferrari has the guts to stand up to Marchionne, they should tell him to just back it off and lighten it up a notch, or maybe just stay away from personal appearances at the races.

176

Kimi made a mistake, ran wide then turned back in, of the three involved in this tracing incident Kimi's move was the most radical

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