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Posted By: Justin Hynes  |  24 Aug 2014   |  3:03 pm GMT  |  583 comments

Daniel Ricciardo took a sensational third win of the season as a second-lap clash between Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton saw the German finish second after he shipped front wing damage. Hamilton eventually retired after a puncture sustained in the collision dropped him to the back of the field.

Ricciardo, who had started fifth, then passed Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso and team-mate Sebastian Vettel to claim the lead. Mercedes attempted a three-stop plan to give Rosberg a shot at passing the Australian in the closing stages on soft tyres but a flawless drive saw the Australian take the chequered flag with 3.3s seconds in hand to claim his second win in a row.

Behind the front two, Valtteri Bottas took his fourth podium finish of the year, ahead of Spa specialist Kimi Raikkonen, for whom fourth represents a best result of the season.

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The final stages were characterised by thrilling battle for fifth-place as Kevin Magnussen, Fernando Alonso, Jenson Button and Sebastian Vettel went wheel-to-wheel through the final three laps.

It was Vetttel who came out on top, thanks to fresher tyres. Magnussen was sixth ahead of Button and Alonso, whose race had been hampered by an early penalty received when his crew had remained on the grid too long prior to the formation lap.

Before the start, the Ferrari driver’s car was still on jacks as the parade lap began and though he finally got going, members of his crew were still on the grid inside the 15-second cut-off point before the formation lap. It would later earn him a five-second stop-go penalty.

At the start Hamilton got the jump on a slow-starting Rosberg and stole into the lead on the run up to La Source. Vettel too made a good start and passed his fellow German around the outside. Vettel then attempted to overtake Hamilton into Les Combes but outbraked himself, ran wide and rejoined behind Rosberg.

Screen Shot 2014-08-24 at 16.31.23The drama wasn’t over, however. On the following lap Rosberg attempted a pass on the outside of his team-mate at Les Combes, but as Hamilton held his line and Rosberg kept going the pair collided, the right side of Rosberg’s front wing clipping the rear left-tyre of Hamilton’s car.

The Briton immediately swerved off track with a puncture while Rosberg shipped heavy front-end damage. Hamilton limped back to the pits for a new wheel, but while Rosberg reported much damage he was told to stay out and see how matters developed.

Behind the front two, Ricciardo was on the move, passing Alonso at Les Combes. He was soon on Vettel’s tail and overtook his team-mate when the champion ran wide at Pouhon. The Australian then set off after Rosberg who appeared to be suffering badly due to the front wing damage. Ricciardo closed to within a second and Mercedes took the decision to pit the leader for a new wing and medium tyres. The Red Bull driver assumed the lead.Screen Shot 2014-08-24 at 16.36.06

Valtteri Bottas too was making a move. The Finn passed Alonso for third on lap eight, overtaking the Ferrari under DRS on the Kemmel Straight.

Rosberg was soon in trouble again. On lap 10 he picked up some debris on the track while racing down the Kemmel Straight. The debris became entangled in the aerial on the nose cone of his car and fluttered dangerously around his steering wheel.

Alonso, meanwhile, was handed a five-second stop-go penalty by the stewards, which he elected to serve during the first round of stops.

That round of stops was completed by the end of lap 15. Ricciardo, on softs, still led, with Kimi Raikkonen now second ahead of Vettel. Rosberg, who took on medium tyres during his stop, was now fourth ahead of Bottas, Magnussen and Alonso. Hamilton was now 16th and some 16 seconds adrift of Sauber’s Adrian Sutil.

On lap 16 Rosberg attempted to pass Vettel for third place but ran wide under braking and the error allowed Bottas to close and eventually pass the Mercedes driver under DRS on the following lap as the pair raced down the long Kemmel Straight.

Rosberg then reported that he was getting significant vibration from the tyre he had lit up attempting the pass on Vettel and he was forced to pit again on lap 19, taking on more medium rubber. He rejoined in 11th place but was soon up to ninth behind Sergio Perez.

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Raikkonen made his second stop from second place on lap 21, taking on medium tyres. Vettel took his set of mediums on lap 22 and rejoined in P8. Ricciardo pitted from the lead on lap 27, taking on medium tyres, which he would race to the flag. Bottas now assumed the lead, having stopped just once, ahead of Rosberg who had made two stops and carved his way through the pack.

Bottas pitted on the very next lap, which promoted Rosberg back to the lead he had lost on lap eight. The German, on 10-lap-old medium tyres, would need to stop again, though with Bottas rejoining in fifth and new third-place man Raikkonen also possibly requiring another stop, Rosberg was told he was a “safe second”.

On lap 31, Bottas passed Vettel for fourth place and seemed set to secure his podium place as both Vettel and third-placed Raikkonen looked set to take on fresh tyres, whereas Bottas was on a two-stop plan.

With 10 laps to go Rosberg and Vettel made their stops, with both taking on soft tyres, aimed at utilising the tyre’s better pace to see what they could achieve against the two-stoppers on ageing prime tyres.

Rosberg rejoined in fourth and quickly dismissed Bottas and Raikkonen, but now the German was 22 seconds down on Ricciardo. That was simply too big a gap to make up to the Australian and the Mercedes driver settled in the end for his safe second place.

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Behind him Raikkonen defied expectation, the Finn attempting to cling on to third on the set on prime tyres he had taken on at the end of lap 21. It was a brave choice but ultimately one that failed as Bottas, breezed past the Ferrari on the Kemmel Straight four laps from home.

With Raikkonen secure in fourth, a furious battle developed for fifth. Magnussen held fifth but a train was building up behind him, featuring Alonso, Button and the hard-charging Vettel.

A titanic battle ensued, with at times, the drivers racing four abreast on the run to Les Combes. Vettel eventually made his better pace on newer tyres tell and he went on to claim fifth ahead of Magnussen, Button and Alonso. It wasn’t without a price though and Magnussen was placed under investigation after the race for his driving during the period. He was later handed a drive-through penalty and had 20 seconds added to his time, which dropped him to 12th in the classification.

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The penalty meant Button would be classified sixth, with Alonso seventh ahead of Sergio Perez, Daniil Kvyat, while Nico Hulkenberg took the final point on offer.

At the front, Ricciardo took a calm and controlled third career win, to leave him on 156 points, just 35 behind championship contender Hamilton, who stays on 191 points. Rosberg, meanwhile, moves to 220 points and a healthy title lead as the championship heads towards Monza.

2014 Belgian Grand Prix – Race
1 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing 44 Winner 5 25
2 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 44 +3.3 secs 1 18
3 Valtteri Bottas Williams 44 +28.0 secs 6 15
4 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 44 +36.8 secs 8 12
5 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing 44 +52.1 secs 3 10
6 Kevin Magnussen McLaren 44 +54.2 secs 7 8
7 Jenson Button McLaren 44 +54.5 secs 10 6
8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 44 +61.1 secs 4 4
9 Sergio Perez Force India 44 +64.2 secs 13 2
10 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 44 +65.3 secs 11 1
11 Nico Hulkenberg Force India 44 +65.6 secs 18
12 Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso 44 +71.9 secs 12
13 Felipe Massa Williams 44 +75.9 secs 9
14 Adrian Sutil Sauber 44 +82.4 secs 14
15 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber 44 +90.8 secs 20
16 Max Chilton Marussia 43 +1 Lap 19
17 Marcus Ericsson Caterham 43 +1 Lap 22
18 Jules Bianchi Marussia 39 +5 Laps 16
Ret Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 38 +6 Laps 2
Ret Romain Grosjean Lotus 33 +11 Laps 15
Ret Pastor Maldonado Lotus 1 +43 Laps 17
Ret Andre Lotterer Caterham 1 +43 Laps 21
 

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1

Welcome back Kimi fans!

2

Thanks!

3

We never ever left. Like Kimi said after the race hes had plenty of decent speed in other races masked by problems beyond his control that is undoubted fact. He is also not getting carried away because he knows they are still a long way off & that is what we love about him never settles for 4th- he pushes (himself and the team) only for the win- this is what will move Ferrari forward (not much more this year) , hes not someone saying he drove 110% and not improving the car, treating it like a win..Kimi is understated hes not a w/ker.

4

No Greg I get it . Im not having a go Im just backing up what you said. Appreciate the saying but just clarifying for others we never actually left and never will!!

Cheers mate

5

I think you got the wrong idea... I am a MASSIVE Kimi fan, to the point of worshipping him.

6

hopefully this is a milestone, Ferrari machinery more competitive and reversed comparatives of the teammates, incidentally.

a podium in Monza would be sweeter than maple syrop...

7

Ferrari's development seems to be going surprisingly well with Kimi in the team, they've moved on an awful lot. This is even on a track with 2 huge straights. Remember how slow they were in Bahrain? Last year with Alonso and Massa the development was non-existent

8

No reversed comparatives... Fernando was still considerably quicker, I would say massively quicker, but in the race it is hard to read (but possible, see the team statements where they say Fernando would have ended in the podium without a doubt) due to the circumstances.

9

Only if this turtle Ferrari machinery had a bit more power and helped Kimi held on to his position in the straights.

10

It's been tough!

Now we're set for a fight with miracle man!! (we hope)

11

I love to think so but Im not seeing a dramatic change.Kimi will be much closer since the new parts before Hungary have helped but the chassis characteristics are highly unfavourable to Kimi-mostly understeer-Allison has made that very clear and every time they try to "balance" it they loose grip in the rear with these complex cars- so at best it will be a peacemeal which is not something you can excel with. Obviously driver tracks like Barcelona, Monaco, Hungary and Spa he has shown hes lost nothing- I expect similar stuff at Singapore ,USA, Suzuka and Brazil if no more dramas - but next year - fingers crossed Ferrari build a neutral chassis that can be more readily adaptable AND a better PU !

12

C’mon Lewis, give Nico room . . .

You cost him 1st place today . . .

13

All’s fair in love, war and F1 –

Despite Eddie J’s post-race rant.

14

Please keep Eddie Jordan off the podium...

15

. . . and the rest of the paddock too, please.

16

I thought Eddie was very good on the podium and the baying nutters in the grandstand were put in their place.

Eddie took a different position, as sometimes he does, in the TV broadcast a little later. He lambasted Mercedes management for lack of control. It's racing, folks, we expect a little serendipity.

Mercedes have too many managers. It was flagged up over winter as being top heavy, and Ross was there too back then. What do all these corporate guys do, exactly?

Anyway, the highest paid guys in the company get sent out on the track, so leave it to them. And they are providing a great theatrical experience.

17

Ricciardo is an Australian Staghound!  Give him a sniff of P1 and he hunts it down as if it is a kangaroo and brings it home like a boomerang!  Enough Oz for ya?  Is this a late season comback by RBR to push this Championship?   I hope so!

Did you see worshippers at concessions area by Eau Rouge in the aerials?   Guess they don't remember the first few of the 10 Commandments. But then again church of F1 Gods is very pleasing to the senses and hard to resist.  Share the videos of Lap 1 if you were standing in the sea of humanity. 

Hey, was BBC testing a new fan-vote punishment system on Rosberg with some facial debris slaps?  Shame on you if you voted for that!  I guess we have a villain in F1 now, even if he is a nice guy.  Nico has learned from years with Schumi that he'll have time to be nice after 40. Works well for German drivers to not be liked by British fans, doesn't it? 🙂

18

Seebee: I totally agree about Lewis shooting hos mouth off, with such a great opportunity to shut up and let the video footage speak for it self.

No matter what anybody says about Rosberg, he's 29 points in the lead; he was 11 before.

You got to credit him with enough ruthlessness to get the job done.

Maybe you think Lewis is better than Rosberg, maybe you don't; but does that really matter, Nico is 29 points in the lead; maybe he has do to stuff like this to win; and he's just doing what he has to, and has got away with, it must be noted; so what's the big deal?

No matter what anybody says, ultimately, this was actually a racing incident.

Here's why:

Even if Rosberg was as bad as some more pointed elements of the ravenous British F1 media suggest, the outcome?!? just too unpredictable; okay, maybe he was laying it out there, maybe he was making a statement, but would he really risk a front wing, it could have been much worse, to purposely puncture his chief rival's tire?!? I don't know if I can buy that one. Maybe?!?! but it is not an easy sell.

At this stage of the game, if you can get the big points differential, and get away with it, this stuff is much tamer than some stuff in previous years, so far.

But this incident does definitely mark a milestone in increased nastiness.

The good news is, like every race where Mercedes is somehow compromised, this was humdinger!

I would have loved to see the red seven five time meister, but I just keep on getting impressed by the Ozzie; I really like his style and his ability to not miss taking advantage of almost every, little... opportunity that goies his way... incredible; and he did it again. Kudos to Vettel; maybe the true champions have to go through such a year as he is having now; don't count Vettel out!

Another great, assured, drive by Bottas.

I'm estimating the probability of Bottas at Mercedes, much higher after all of the antics this weekend.

Glad Spa is on the calendar.

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@DeanCassidy

The 29points. .....

If both cars fail to finish there would still be a 11point advantage to Nico.

If Hamilton got a puncture and Rosberg lost a bit of wing Hamilton's race would be ruined.

To slow down then cut back to the inside line would have been the sensible thing to do. It's what Hamilton has done to Rosberg in most of their duals and usually ends up beating him - refer to Malaysia 13, Bahrain 14...etc.

Also refer to the Alonso-Vettel duals.

One of the things often talked about by commentators, ex drivers is trust in the ability of the driver you are over taking.

Rosbergs actions were that of a spoilt child unable to get what he wants due to his own inability.

He was behind his wing in line with Hamilton's rear he had nothing to lose. Watch the footage.

After a night's sleep - if I was in charge and had the testimony and video footage in front of me I'd drop him for one race and put Antony Davidson in the car.

Some of you talk about man up, I agree - let's race like men

20

If we're going to judge poor race craft based on how many silly accidents the drivers get into, then Lewis Hamilton has the worst race craft on the grid.

Honestly, this outcry against Rosberg is utterly ridiculous. Rosberg has been in F1 a year longer than Hamilton but has less than half the amount of accidents to his name.

21

[and he’s just doing what he has to, and has got away with, it must be noted; so what’s the big DEAL?]

Don't you think it's more of poor race craft? I feel that strongly. Nico's race craft is not as strong as what I thought. He struggles when left behind if you observe carefully, usually in a panicky situation. During post race he was trying to hold up his pride for fear of losing face if he apologised, frankly he was rather nervous as he knew it was his fault but he needed to keep some pride by saying he needs to watch the footage.

But if he apologises all will be forgiven, I'm the least pissed on near angry with his move.

To say it was deliberation I have to say I don't agree at all. Wolf will be howling but who cares.

22

Can now we officially count you as a member of the Ricciardo fan club Sebee? 🙂

I said yesterday (I think 🙂 ) that he and Vettel weren't really in the running for the 2014 WDC - I may have to revise that statement.

I'll say this much: If anyone is going to have a chance to take the trophy out from under the two best friends gone bad then it's going to be Ricciardo. A few more class acts like this, a bit more bad luck / driver shenanigans by Mercedes and who knows? Anything and everything is possible - Game on 🙂

23

For an ardent Vettel supporter such as yourself to say that he might take a supporting role now speaks volumes.

I have read comments from some who were dubious of Ricciardo's abilities early on (and fair enough) but I can't say I've come across anyone who actively dislikes him and in F1 that's a very rare thing indeed.

24

I think even Vettel with his engine situation, maturity and 4 under the belt will be willing to work for the team now and help (at least not get in way of) Dan.

I told you already, guy is on my team and how the heck can you not like him? Show me 1 fan who doesn't like Daniel? How much hate must such a person have in their heart to not like this guy? Indifferent, OK. But to , not like him? That's just strange.

25

Whoever sais Rosberg did it deliberately knows jack about racing! Think of the possibilities of an intentional collision:

1)damage to Rosbergs front wing, no damage to Hamiltons tyre, handing Hamilton a win & possible DNF to Rosberg

2) DNF to both drivers

3)small likelihood of a puncture to Hamilton & slight damage to Rosbergs front wing

There is no way any driver could deliberately know the outcome. We don't know what was said behind closed doors at Mercedes, however from Rosbergs comments, I believe that he was sick of always giving in to Hamiltons aggressive defending, I.e Hamilton aggressively defending and cutting across / forcing Rosberg wide or off track at China & Bahrain etc. in both races Rosberg had to take evasive action to avoid collisions. Watch a replay before commenting.

Pure speculation but I believe Rosberg has said "why is it always me that has to yield" & Hamilton knows/expects Rosberg to always yield. Rosberg decided to stand up for himself, however in this instance I believe it was Rosbergs fault, but not intentional. What this will do is make Hamilton think twice before cutting across/aggressively defending from Rosberg in future races.

26

Agree with your paragraph. Hamilton is breaking down he needs a stellar next race. I love this it make me smile that the veternan Shumacher was definetly not to far behind even at his older age. Get better buddy this will put a smile on your face!

27

+1 Right on the money. Nico is maturing and has put Lewis on notice. It has to be mutual: Lewis has been chopping him off in the corners and it's about time Nico holds his ground. Albeit, this case is a lesson for both. But good show for all. The season is coming along nicely with lots of action. Just hope FIA does away with the double-point nonsense.

28

Exactly on the money! Ahmed Sydney

29

I hope you are right, and Hamilton learns from this mistake.

He needs to reduce the swagger since it's not being reflected by his performance on and off the track and away from it. This is a guy who promised so much and has started to look like an also-ran.

He made a wise move to Mercedes, and I was one of the few who applauded that, and in these pages. It should have been a chance to grow and reinvigorate the career, which had stalled.

But since? He got a bright new jetplane and a new hat. Oh, and a lot more tattoos.

He seems to have been a nice boy who has so lost his way, his direction in life, that he may have his glory days behind him.

30
Fernando 150% Alonso

+1000

31

Me agrees with the final para too. I think it is spot on. A pity that this is how it had to play out.

32

This is too obvious to even mention. Rosberg hasn `t got the talent of Hamilton and that is why he always finds himself in a situation where he has to yield. That is what best drivers do - gives a competitor a choice - to crash or yield, because getting pass card is not even on the table. And only best can play the game. Rosberg belongs to club where crash or yield cards are the strongest cards.

Stating the obvious and clapping is just sad but norm.

34

The whole attitude of "racing line" in racing needs to go away. Armchair fans need to accept that "racing" is different to qualifying, and it's simply not acceptable to drive, in a race, like you're the only one who's on a track. We see too many incidents where racing is ruined because it's unacceptable to use anything other than a single line, and one or another driver is "entitled" to one line.

The simple fact here is that once again, a driver was run out of room because another didn't respect that there's another car on the track - in this case, Hamilton using all available room and coming across such that Nico would have to run off the black stuff.

It needs to end. If you need to take a slower line to safely keep both yourself and another driver on track, that's racing.

35

Totally agree with Ahmed Sydney - no-one on the right side of sanity would deliberately cause a collision, with so much at stake. Nico has repeatedly shown his focus is on the end-game (Driver's Championship), not every little on-track battle, and the results are on the board. Lewis once again has displayed his emotions are getting the better of him - yes he has had some bad luck this year, but he is routinely being out-classed by his more level-headed teammate.

As for Daniel's race - brilliant. Opportunistic pass of Vettel at the start, but no question that he had superior pace and flawless strategy. I see a Colgate contract in his near future.

A great race in the end - the final 10 laps I had to watch again as there was so much going on!

36

Yup. Champions don't let others walk on them. This was ruthless and 100% right. Niki better respect that because Niki would do exactly the same thing 40 years ago and today. Nico just passed a major test on what it takes to be a champion. He just earned a black belt. Legendary stuff, and after talking about teenagers and easy to drive cars, glad to see F1 of old is alive and well. Man settling things like a man. Talk is cheap Lewis. Lewis got leveled in this round - end of.

37

i also think that this a fair summary. wolff has already stated that hamilton's claim that rosberg did it on purpose is 'nonsense'.

38

I think your final para is on the money

39

Well, I like Nico...

40

Villain for sure... Rosberg appears to have been enormously stupid.

Rosberg's post race comments, repeated by Hamilton and confirmed (albeit defended) by Wolff, put a very different gloss on the Monaco incident and should give Mercedes mangement some serious pause for thought. Even his post-race public comments make it appear that he bears ill-will toward Hamilton over incidents as far back as Bahrain.

This win bought Ricciardo within 35 points of Hamilton, with double points in play that puts the WDC AND WCC at risk for Mercedes, if Redbull or Williams make a technological leap then a cake walk could turn into a wipe out very easily.

Even worse for Rosberg this is career defining stuff, much like Schumacher vs Hill in 1994. It opens up questions of judgement, trust, and suitability under pressure leaving serious questions in the minds of potential team principles and team mates.

Schui being Schui got away with this kind of stuff, good as he is, Rosberg isn't Schumacher.

41

In case nobody has seen the previous races in this season, let me point out that Lewis has cut across Rosberg several times, used an unauthorised power setting to gain unfair advantage, and refused to move over under clear, unambiguous and relevant team orders.
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42

Anyone who bases their opinion on what comes out of Hamilton's mouth are as immature, stupid and foolish as Hamilton himself.

Just because Hamilton said it, doesn't make it so. Unfortunately, despite his proven record of verbal diorreah, people still seem to take what he says at face value. Very silly.

A prime example was Monaco this year where he declared to the world that he was on the pole lap and was 2 tenths up in the first sector. This is utter nonsense. He was STILL behind Rosbergs time when he hit yellows, as shown and proven by Sky, but people still bleat like parrots that Hamilton was ahead. He wasn't.

If Hamilton told me the sky was blue I'd stick my head outside to check for myself, such is my well founded distrust in everything that comes out of that petulant child's mouth.

43

Lewis is just not playing it right.  What the hell is he doing yapping publicly like a little baby about team meeting that took place behind closed doors?  I didn't know how badly Nico has his number.

44

"Crushed Mentally".....hilarious!!

Did you see the post race interviews? Lewis was calm, considered, thoughtful and pragmatic.

Nico looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights, unable to answer any questions, stilted.

"Man among boys" .......you're conversion from Vettel fan to anti Hamilton commentator is now complete .....please move over to PF1:)

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kenneth chapman

@ andrew M...you are simply wrong and deliberately twisting words to suit your own agenda. did you actually read the statement from wolff who is as close to the action as is possible he stated that 'rosberg did not deliberately crash into hamiltion. that's just nonsense'.

46

Andrew M - because a sissy goes and cries like that. A man like Senna, Schumi, Prost would find a way to handle this like a man. Like it or not, Nico handled Lewis like a man - on track. I respect it.

Anthony - blah blah blah to what they say to please Lewis. Seems to me they said repeatedly that Nico was their best shot at win in Hungary. And even recently they said again Lewis should have not got in way of Nico.

Gazza - Lewis should either handle thing on track, or if he wants to cry about it he shouldn't drag Niki and Toto to clean up the PR mess he creates with his outbursts. You can be 100% certain they don't appreciate it.

I swear to you, I respect Nico hugely over what he has shown. He is a man among boys He handles his business on the race track exclusively. Lewis cries and pleads off the race track. He is crushing Lewis mentally. It is amazing how easy he makes it look.

47

Hey Sebee, Nico made a mistake which was very obviously his fault, Alonso too made a mistake with Vettel. I think if Nico had apologised it'll be very different scenario.

The next two weeks will be the Nico done it affair.

48

[mod] Nico is to blame foe the incident end of. If he did do this on purpose then he is no better than any other cheat!
LH is rightly p****d off and NR would has done the same if the boot was on the other foot..

49

Because he is absolutely furious and can't see why he has to gagged so allowing Rosberg to claim that it just an unfortunate accident and thus keep the high ground. If Nico didn't do his utmost to avoid this collision then he is totally guilty and Mercedes are right to hold him responsible and apply a suitable sanction. Anyway I am sure if Mercedes had wanted it kept private they would have made it clear to the drivers.

50

How did your hero do today? I turned the race off after the fastest driver was limping around with a puncture. Given that the slow driver in the fast car had front wing damage....there is no question that the driver in 3rd should have won? He does have the second fastest car...DR keeps showing us this.

51

RE: yapping publicly.

Rosberg made a monumental error of judgement but I couldn't agree more about Hamilton's handling of the situation. Whinging Pom?

52

He is 'inflicting' pain 🙂

53

Right. Toto was crying like a baby as well then, and so did Niki before and

after that meeting took place! Get a grip!!!

54

"What the hell is he doing yapping publicly like a little baby about team meeting that took place behind closed doors?"

Whats the problem? You moan about drivers being corporate robots yet when one speaks his mind publicly he,s ......"a little baby" .......well that really mature of you.

55

It is knockdown Eight Count for Lewis. The question is will he get up before the ref counts to 8?

First he got a Flash Knockdown by mister nice guy on Saturday. Lewis blamed the glazing of the brakes.

On Sunday however he got a Kidney Punch that made him kiss the canvas.

Rosberg did make clear his intentions for the second half of the season. He is very determined to get that Championship.

Lewis, you got seven days to rise up again. The ref is counting. Britney is gonna hit you one more time ... it is going to be a fascinating end of season.

56

Are you sure?

Lewis hasn't put a foot wrong on the track all season and he's been badly let down by Mercedes reliability issues on a number of occasions and arguably been let down by Mercedes management's inexperience on several others (strategy, team orders etc).

He was right in Hungary and the team admitted as much and changed it's policy accordingly. So if Nico is upset it's because he, in effect, lost a political battle within the team over that race. He now knows that the car in front will stay in front absent racing conditions, and they will both run the same strategy as a consequence.

Lewis won the internal battle. Lewis, in making those comments public also won the PR war and made it clear in doing so that Rosberg's actions in Monaco were deliberate and now has the benefit of the doubt in any further incident this season.

I imagine that from management's view, on more than one occasion, Rosberg has deliberately placed his teammate’s health at risk, destroyed Mercedes races, risked his own race, AND risked the WDC and WCC.

57

You capacity for bias in the face of one driver admitting he deliberately crashed into another is quite spectacular. Not surprising, I've long given up on that when it comes to anti-Hamiltonism, but spectacular nonetheless.

58

Your last sentence is instructive.

Eddie Jordon had it right when he said, “Nico knew that if he lost the first corner to Lewis, he [HAM] was gone”.

ROS was more than clumsy. He was desperate and unsporting–and he knew it. Did you see his body language after the race? If the roles were reversed, HAM would not want to gain points over a rival this way. That’s why he’s so loved.

59

Ummm....are you watching the same F1 that I am? Nico is not a pantomime villain, and Lewis is certainly not the Good Fairy, it's more complicated than that.

This rivalry, and friendship, goes back a decade or more, and has been intense. You just cannot look at one isolated event and build a gallows.

It's going to run on and on, and we are getting more than we bargained, or paid, for in a season which was pretty well a foregone conclusion from about the middle of 2012. This is much, much, much better than the dull as ditchwater Schumacher and Vettel years.

Notice how nobody is complaining about the engines noise any more, it's drowned out by the racket from the drivers and the crowd.

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The Race That Decided The Championship.

It’s a real shame it ended this way, but yet again the luck is with Rosberg - his mistake (and I genuinely hope like Monaco that it was...) and Hamilton pays the penalty. Before this race I think he would have been a deserving (if fortunate) world champion, but now I’m not so sure.

Either way, this title is over barring a calamity from Rosberg, and he can now afford to go into “Alonso 2005” mode and just manage everything and bring it home.

On the lighter side, Ricciardo and Bottas have yet again picked up the pieces from the Mercedes wreckage, barring a staggering run of victories for someone they’re 1-2 in my driver of the year standings so far.

PS The booing was unnecessary, I strongly dislike it, this isn’t Britain’s Got Talent.

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"this title is over barring a calamity from Rosberg"..........Not sure about that. Remember there are 7 races left, 8 if u consider Abu double as 2 races in 1from a points perspective, and as things stand 1 DNF/accidnet for Rosberg = back to square 1. It really is too early to jump to any such conclusions!

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Season deciding maybe, but perhaps not in the way you suggest.

Rosberg deliberately placed his teammate's health at risk, destroyed Mercedes, Hamilton's and Massa's races, risked his own race (debris and stewards), risked the WDC and WCC, and showed his actions in Monaco were deliberate.

If you were Mercedes management would you tolerate that behavior without serious sanction?

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Confirmed as an intentional move by both Lewis and Toto, after they had their post race meeting

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Rodrigo Luiz Martins

Toto didn't confirm a thing!

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I don't think he intended to intentionally collide, you can't guarantee that you will give the other driver a puncture while destroying your own front wing.

Apparently he was trying to prove a point by staying in position "on purpose"..........it was a staggeringly inept way of doing it.

Pure luck he benefited from it, but he seems to be having the lions share of it at the moment.

Rosberg is fast thats for sure......but when it comes to racing wheel to wheel he is sadly lacking.

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Look again: Toto has said that Lewis miscontrued Nicos comments and that Nico did not deliberately crash.

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Things change quickly though. Pre Silverstone the gap was the same 29 points (I think) as now. People were despairing, it's all over now, Lewis has too much to claw back. And then Hamilton gained the full 25 points over Rosberg!

This season has taught us things can change quickly and often.

I don't like to go into the whole "driver is undeserving of the title" mentality, unless they've clearly and willingly cheated in some way to get there. I don't believe Nico has been a "cheat" this season - those that do tend to be part of an anti-driver-no-matter-what camp. He made a silly aggressive mistake (something Hamilton did quite a bit during 2011, I think, with this various crashes with other drivers, some his fault, some less so perhaps).

But let's face it, people talk of Schumacher as being a 7 time world champion. They don't say, well he's really only a 6 time one because he cheated Damon HIll out of one (and tried to do the same to Villeneuve). It's sad in some ways but history only remember the winners.

It's clear Hamilton has had a ton of misfortune though this year. You'd think the luck will balance out but at the end of the day, all drivers who come off second best in a championship challenge have a list of "if onlys". Webber could have been champion in 2010. Heck, if Hamilton doesn't win it this year and people argue Rosberg won it simply on luck, someone else can argue how, well in Massa's eyes, Lewis was lucky to beat him in 2008! Luck goes up and down.

At the end of the year, people can only take their hat off to the winner (and acknowledge they can't not have won it without having done a lot of good work even with misfortune of others) and just move on.

Anyway, there's still 7 races to go... I wouldn't say Rosberg is anywhere near home and dry yet.

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You're right, Rosberg could retire and Hamilton win and then it's all back on again. But there's no more reason why that will happen in Hamilton's favour than against it. Basically, with the double points nonsense, there are 8 races of points left. If Hamilton beats Rosberg 6-2 in the races from here on in, first and second, which would be a massive turnaround, he'll still lost the title.

With regards to the deserving point, sure, the record books will say Rosberg won, and he'll be a world champion etc. But if he only wins the title because of Hamilton's reliability and now this, it really would make him the least deserving world champion I can remember. This isn't like 2008 - sure Massa was unlucky with the Hungary failure and Singapore pitstop disaster, but those failures came about due to his team (Ferrari) letting him down and another team getting it right (McLaren), the converse of his team giving him the car that enabled him to do what he did vs Hamilton.

In this case, Rosberg and Hamilton are in the same team, they both (theoretically) have the same chance and the same equipment, and unless you're one of those crazies that believes Hamilton's driving style can somehow break fuel lines and software, the fact that failures are happening to one driver more than another is just down to luck. And that's before you even start taking the Spa incident into account.

Also, even though Schumacher is referred to as the 7 time world champion (and indeed is one), people do remember his indiscretions, these things mark drivers for a long time, longer than they did back in Senna's day. I'm not saying Rosberg is anywhere near Schumacher's class for unsportsmanlike behaviour, but at the very least you'd have to be pretty blinkered to say that he deserved an 18 point gain over Hamilton as a result of this incident.

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Hamilton is a Whinging Cry Baby - Rosberg was faster, and Hamilton tried to shut him out on the pass and Hamilton lost with a puncture.

Hamilton then compounded the problem by driving back to the pits at speed, as Martin Brundle said "Hamilton is going too fast back to the pits on that damaged wheel, he is going to do further damage to his car"

And Hamilton did.

Whereas Rosberg in situations like that applies intelligence and tries to get the best outcome from the problem, Hamilton created the problem, and then Cry Baby Whinged non stop for the rest of the race.

The Booing, as Eddy Jordan said was atrocious, it was a bloody great race and Rosberg showed what a true champion looks like, someone who thinks .

To Ricciardo, a great drive

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I dunno the mercs have such an advantage, but if they keep screwing things up, if riccado can somehow still be within 50 points at the last race, im a big ham fan, but you would have to laugh if the redbull could nick it, they could allways use vettal as the sacrificel lamb and accidentally run into a merc or two, but all seriously the mercs are lucky, that they have such an advantage, the pitwall seems so conservative, seem reluctant to make the hard call, if this was a tight race between the two teams, redbull would trump them 9 times out of 10, they need an iron fist in charge, if I remember didn't they used to have someone recently, his name escapes me, but he's keen on fishing apparently

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Can I suggest the we call him Sneako Rosberg?

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How was rosberg not penalised? If that was Hamilton it would have been a stop go penalty... Seriously. Lewis has been faster all year, but with 3 retirements now, along with the brake issue in Hungary and the quali ruined in Germany, how can you beat that? If Lewis doesn't win the next race or if rosberg doesn't have a retirement its all over.

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kenneth chapman

i would assume that rosberg wasn't penalised because he didn't infringe any rules. it was, if anything, a racing incident.

@ JC could you possibly post the link to wolff actually saying that 'rosberg has admitted he acted with full intention to take hamilton out of the race'. was it an ambitious move yes. both hamilton and rosberg could've taken evasive action, they didn't. i would possibly call it 'contributory negligence'. that, at the moment, is what the stewards probably think as well.

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I think it was more of a racing incident than a punishable move. Having said that, the Stewards penalty against Alonso was, in effect a joke. 5 seconds is nothing compared to the risks involved. I don't understand why they took so long to issue the penalty either, it was clear cut.

The minimum for Alonso should have been a drive through, or the back of the grid.

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There was a rule change after Bahrain 2012 which in this case means that Nico didn't do anything wrong.

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Rodrigo Luiz Martins

It is time to stop blaming the other things that happened so far on Lewis season. By the end of the season you're gonna run out of excuses.

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Exactly.....And the F1 fraternity wonders why fans are leaving the sport in droves. People are naturally disinclined to support such obvious injustices and double standards. That move, from any perspective deserved a penalty, simple!

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I don't think this the reason why fans are dropping off. It's the highly expensive Sky tv fees and the new ruling of the sport with the lack of sound and fuel saving issues and too much restrictions with the ugly nosy effect. Racing mistakes and incidents happened all the time since F1 began.

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Could you provide an example of when the stewards have intervened with an in-race penalty after a collision between two team mates (aside from anything inherently unsafe)? Aside from the Virgins off the startline in 2010, I'm struggling to think of any... The fratricide and fallout is usually punishment enough.

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It's amazing how the Hamilton fans love the double standards, I remember Hamilton doing exactly same to Vettel at the British GP in 2010 and NOTHING WAS EVEN SAID ABOUT IT.

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Ros has now openly said he did it on purpose. How will the FIA see and react to this? Deliberately crashing is not allowed as far as I remember...

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Come on, it wasn't a penalty worthy thing. It was clumsy but not intentionally reckless or rule braking. If the FIA gave out penalties for every little incident, they'd be no racing. The FIA have been told to ease up on penalties in recent races as it was getting too extreme.

Totally Nico's fault though, I agree but he punished himself with the wing problem. It's an issue for the team to take further action on, not the FIA. It's just bad judgement and one of those things.

It's far from over. No need for all the doom and gloom.

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I think a penalty to Rosberg wouldn't be too far fetched. Especially as Magnussen got a big one for causing less damage to Alonso.

Btw, I also think Alonso's penalty was comparatively too bland. The mechanics were on the track with cars going by, fhs!

All in all, seemingly inconsistent penalties all around, imo.

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It was intentional

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He punished himself...what, a whole lap on three wheels and enough floor damage to end a come back. Nico managed to end his rivals championship hopes and get away with it scott free. Good for him, that's how championships are one. Like Prost, you need the stewards on your side to win.

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Problem is its Not JUST a racing incident these are the two main contenders for the WDC.

Be it reversed - both in race and in the WDC - I think Hamilton would get a 5 place penalty in the next race - but that's opinion.

The team called it, Toto and Lauda, the crowed called it,with their boos. if this was Vettel on Ric I guarantee Vettel would be hung by many contributors to this site.

All season we have had some epic races, quality overtakes justifying 'the best drivers in the world' tag.

This incident is disappointing - Rosberg is disappointing - question is who's cracking now?

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Agree: Racing Incident. Nico was over aggressive. That said, a smarter driver would have not turned in knowing Nico was there, especially on the second lap.

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If Toto Wolfe and Nikki Lauda meant what they said they'll withdraw ROS from the next race, as a team punishment. It would earn Mercedes GP huge respect. That's the only thing that will stop the rest of the season becoming a war.

ROS knows that HAM is such a brilliant driver that the only way he'll beat him is by using unsporting tactics. Such thoughts must be stamped on.

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What? Why?

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Its far from over, one retirement from rosberg and game on,,,,,

will be intressting to see Rosberg do the same on the last race double points and all

that.

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Racing incident - he tried to back out but misjudged it. He surely didn't try to puncture HAM's tire let alone break his own wing. HAM's bad luck continues:(

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F1inDeutschland

German commentators were saying the Lewis-Nico clash was 50/50, then at the end of the race Niki Lauda shocked them all by calling it 100% Nico's fault. He was really angry and felt bad for Lewis, said there is no way that should happen at the end of lap 2 of a long race.

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those commentators must be blinded by favouritism, lewis did nothing wrong

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So he didn't cut across Nico's nose like he has done many times before? Bahrain comes to mind! This time he didn't get away with it! Racing incident!

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Neither driver did anything wrong. Nor did either willingly move out of the way to avoid contact. Racing incident.

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That's the German media for you!

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Niki should watch the video replay before passing judgement. Nico was alongside and started to backout of the attempted pass when Hamilton made a dive bomb move to the apex, without regard for where Nico was. Typical Hamilton... "I am the only one on the track".

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No question Lewis knew Nico "was there" and thought Nico would pull out....he didn't and in hindsight Lewis could have left more racing room for Nico, its a line in the sand for Lewis to stop carving up Nico when overtaking is on. Niki L was instrumental in getting Lewis to MB and as such is defending his decision in support of Lewis, shades of Helmut Marko in the Vettel/Weber showdowns. This incident will fire up Lewis but realistically he doesn't have the smarts to handle Nico, when we think about it who would have thought Nico was any match for Lewis at seasons beginning?, IMO Lewis has been played like a violin. Sensational drive by the smiling assassin especially the pass on Alonso.

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kenneth chapman

very true. that is roughly how i saw it as well.

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It seemed to me to be similar to the previous Massa v Magnusson incident when Massa took the racing line on the assumption there was no-one on it. Once Magnusson's car was there only Massa could have avoided the colision and Hamilton the same. Rosberg can't slow down too much or he might have been jumped from behind and he had caught Hamilton quickly enough for there to be a chance of getting past. Racing incident would be my verdict.

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Absolutely. If the positions had been the other way around, Hamilton would have done exactly the same as did Rosberg. We have seen LH do it a number of times in similar situations in the past. In this world you reap what you sow - Hamilton has recently shown the same level of aggression towards Rosberg so should not be surprised at what happened today - and certainly should not be whimpering to the media and making claims about the post race team meeting which Toto Wolff has subsequently said were not actually true. I support Rosberg's decision to make the point to LH that he is not one to be bullied off the track (and I am British) - even though on this occasion there was misjudgement by both drivers and it ended in grief. Perhaps it won't the next time.

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Totally agree!

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False, footage clearly shows NR steering into LH twice. LH just maintains the racing line.

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What is alongiside? Wolff agrees it was comletely nicos fault....his front wheel was not even where hamiltons rear wheel was....so how is it alongside?

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" Nico was alongside and started to backout of the attempted pass when Hamilton made a dive bomb move to the apex"

really...clearly Nico was no way near any position to seriously overtake Lewis hence the crash, your about on "track" as Nico wasn't...

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nico wasn't backing out, he said he was holding his line and refused to move because he wanted to prove a point.

you need to watch the replay yourself if you think lewis 'dive bombed' he just drove the line he was entitled to. niki was right, he knows about racing.

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Exactly, everyone knows that as soon as another car has their front wing alongside your rear wheel you should get off the racing line as soon as possible because they have the corner. Glad to see someone talking sense at last!

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Totally wrong, look at the replay again.

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So taking the normal racing line is a dive bomb move, I give up

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it was never 50/50. he put his nose in an impossible place. it was not possible to overtake from the position he was in. I actually think this is in the same class of "mistake" as Monaco. ha ha. Hamilton is such a baby though! he moans and moans. the honeybadger is the new star! I hope redbull give him a car next year that can fight with the mercs.

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So you're thinking Nico lost team support or Niki was trying to make Lewis feel better?

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No Lauda is Hamilton's pet, he brought him in and will look a total idiot if Rosberg wins the title.

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Lewis brought this on himself.

His actions in Hungary mean that there is no longer any trust in this team. There will surely be more clashes between the two.

So, on the day, Rosberg was at fault...but this started earlier.

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Sorry? Who was going to "bring the pain to Nico"? Ha! Ha!

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So what does Nico bring on him after that? His bosses are upset and I am pretty sure

other drivers will comment on this the next few days.

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Agree, it started earlier....in Monaco...

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Where is started is of no consequence.

Lewis was correct in his actions in Hungary, given their respective WDC positions, and Mercedes admitted it was wrong of them to ask him to pull over after the race and changed it's team orders policy.

If Rosberg has a problem with losing a political battle within the team over orders, then he should be using that as motivation, not deliberately taking out another driver.

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i suspect the mercedes management have always known what rosberg was up to since monaco and realise how it is harming mercedes' image so came out to show their disapproval. I am not convinced they meant it.

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I'm starting to question whether Germans have difficulty in understanding the concept of 'sportsmanship'. Maybe Nikki Lauda gets it because he's Austrian?

If ROS did not collide with HAM deliberately, on a corner where he did not have a hope in hell of overtaking, then it's worse. He lost control of his emotions as a result of a bad start. As I said already, ROS knew what he'd done: just look at his body language after the race.

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Congrats to Danny Boy and Bottas, but their excellent performances have been totally overshadowed by an absolute moment of stupidity.

I don't condone violence, but if Lewis went and punched Rosberg Junior in the face I'd completely understand that. It wouldn't achieve anything, but Lewis would feel better for it..............

Do you know what, dare I say write this, but are Mercedes missing the stern disciplinarian that is Ross the Boss? Rosberg Junior wouldn't of dared pulled this stunt if Ross was still there - when Mr Brawn was at Ferrari both Michael and Rubens knew who was buttering their bread and wouldn't dare step out of line.

Is it plausible to say that Toto and Paddy are just not gnarly and intimidating like Ross is to be a strict disciplinarian team manager/s? Yes - I think that could be the problem.

I think Rosberg Junior should be docked a months wages for the loss of constructors points.

Lewis - keep your chin up mate, for the third consecutive race weekend you have been compromised when it hasn't been your fault.

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You can't be serious!! So its ok when Ham cuts accros other drivers,is aggressive disobeys his team, talks to the media about a private team meeting crashes through the field after he has messep up quali, consistantly puts other drivers at risk...... but not okay when a racing incident occurs and two cars touch ...... man some people have to rely on emotions and not facts!!!!

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I don't think it would make Lewis feel better. Incongruous rather. But he wouldn't anyway.

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Toto was looking pretty intimidating after the race!

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toto was trying too hard to look intimidating. what will he do to rosberg apart from saying 'we will not tolerate this behaviour next time'?

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Hamilton is such a baby though. I've supported him since he started but I'm getting sick of his crying. I am actually starting to like the villain Rosberg! ha ha he knows that he cannot beat hammy on pace, hes just doing whatever he can to win, i can understand that. I would go as far to say i would do that same.

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Great post! Nice to read someone defending NR with honest fact rather than blind denial! Much the same for me regarding LH. It can be cringeworthy watching his media appearances! NR is nothing if not clever!

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After the team rolled belly up and Hamilton took no punishment for disobeying a team order, they'd hardly have a case for being so harsh to Rosberg here.

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I think it was a pure racing incident but yes bad decision on Nico's part. Anyway what Mercedes have lost today is not a 1,2 but Nico has got Daniel right in the championship fight. 64 points difference with double points in Abu Dhabi can swing it in Daniel's favor.

Game on! It will fascinating to see how Lewis goes in Monza. If he doesn't do well then I think it's over for Lewis.

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Put the 18 points from Australia back on and he's within one second place of Hamilton! Even as it stands, I don't think we've seen the end of this. Especially now that RB have pulled the skinny wing and ERS to bolster their straight line.

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I'd go freaking bananas if I were a Mercedes top brass man and Ricciardo won this title.

And he could have about 10 more points from Australia if RBR hadn't tried to arm-wrestle the FIA.

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rosberg did it with intent. have a look at the incident in slow motion and you will notice how violently he turned his wheel to the right at the right moment and how long he kept it turned until contact was made. nothing can convince me otherwise. shame onto rosberg. and he had the guts to stand there and deny it, just like he did in monaco.

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Will Rosberg win it by playing fair and square or will he keep on with his disgraceful cheaty tactics? And why is he being allowed to get away with it?

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Like Hamilton hasn't done anything remotely dodgy so far in his career? And got busted doing it! Ha! Ha!

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its F1! cheating is par for the course. Its only cheating if you get caught! ha ha!! otherwise its excellent driving

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because the powers that be wants him to be the WDC. Simple

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Cheat? Jean-Luc are you doing this Franco - British relations purposes? That was a racing incident if there ever was one. Nico's nose was inches too deep in Lewis' rear - that's all.

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kenneth chapman

yes seebee, you are quite right.

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Apart from NR accepting that he could have avoided it and didn't! You'd have to be wet behind the ears to think that wasn't an intentional nudge. The consequences of course could not be guaranteed but the contact was obviously not innocent!

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Yes a [mod]... the same as he did in Monaco, Canada etc. WHY is ROS NOT ABLE to race fair?
The Boos of the crowd said it all.

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look at his ears for the answers to your question. if his right ear leans more, he will do it wih dirty tactics only and if his left ear leans more, he will do it fairly.

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Well done Riccardo glad yoy won instead of that duffer Rosberg.

TOTO WOLF SAYS THAT WAS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR FROM ROSBERG.

LAUDA SAYS THE SAME.

THE BOOS FROM THE CROWD AT SPA SAID IT ALL.

ROSBERG HAS NO RACECRAFT IS NOT A RACER AND WHAT HE DID TO LEWIS WAS SHOCKING.

EDDIE JORDON SUCKING UP TO ROSBERG IN THE INTERVIEW TELLING THE CROWD TO STOP BOOING IS A SO SLIME INDUCING.

JUST BECAUSE HE IS ROSBERGS NEIGHBOUR IN MONACO,( the crowdcan boo Rosberg, he deserves it!!)! EDDIE JORDAN SHOULD STICK TO SAILING IN MONACO.

BBC SHOULD SAXK JORDON AS HE IS TOO PARTISAN TO ROSBERG!!

Excellent interview from Lewis calm & showing a reflective racer.

Gloves ofc from now as Rosberg is sliming his way to a championship dodgy cheating at Monaco & does not deserve to be where he is in the standings.I hope his car fails in next 3 races!!

Come On Lewis don't give up yet you are the best 🙂

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Get a grip PKara - you gonna pass out from stress just now...

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BRITISH by any chance? Ha! Ha!

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lewis looked like he was repeating a rehearsed speech in the interview. Mercedes held him back and coached him or he would have made a fool of himself as usual

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He really did! Good point!!!

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But how do you really feel?

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Hamilton did the same thing to Button in Germany. No-one cried "unacceptable"

Alonso clipped Vettel hard at the end of today's race. No-one cried "unacceptable"

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"A) not team mates!!!!

B) not contesting the world championship

C) none of the history of bad feeling this season

D) NOT TEAM MATES!!!!!!"

Rubbish. They are fighting for a world championship.

Hamilton made it clear in Hungary that he'll race for himself and ignore team orders. They are two guys fighting for the championship in the same equipment.

I don't understand how it's some how different because they're in a title fight together. You don't fight for position when you're in a title fight? Is that what you're saying?

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The day Alonso makes a mistake, he gets away from criticism coz entire forum is focussed on Rosberg and Hamilton 😀

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this just shows them up. coulthard was poor. i think the bbc should find a replacement for coulthard. he was constantly talking about hypothetical stories instead of telling the story which was actually unfolding before our eyes. ben edwards is much better than coulthard. they should find someone who is not friends with brundle or allen.

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Those incidents weren't title deciding where they?

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A) not team mates!!!!

B) not contesting the world championship

C) none of the history of bad feeling this season

D) NOT TEAM MATES!!!!!!

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You know, it is people like you that propably watch max. half a race and then pretend to know the sport. BUT said after the race, he didn't find HAM's move right but a few days later, after he watched the footage again he apologised for blaming him. And that is

because his driving signaled that he left the door open. So what did HAM do again?

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1. They aren't teammates.

2. They didn't wreck their only title rival's race (and probably season).

3. They didn't do it deliberately.

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Two world wars & 1 world cup thats acceptable

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Button said it was his fault not Hamiltons after looking at the replay!

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Good observation

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Awful driving from Rosberg. Dirty dirty. Either he is very average in wheel to wheel combat/spacial awareness, or he did it intentionally. The latter can't be rules out considering his antics in Monaco qualifying.

I feel this sort of driving warrants a penalty as he wrecked Hamiltons race and it was ENTIRELY Rosberg's fault. He was driving like a rich daddy's boy racing in F3 or something. Embarrassing. How has he not apologised or taken full responsibility. Even if he wins the championship he will be regarded as the worst ever world champion, worse than Villeneuve even

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Rosberg Junior was pretty lamentable when it came to spatial awareness today. Perhaps he needs to re-sit his driving test? Or have an eye test?

What did Rosberg Junior expect Lewis would do? Just magically evaporate? While I accept it wasn't a malicious move, it was pretty clumsy and ill judged, and not to be expected of a supposedly (sic) championship campaigner.

The best tonic for Lewis is turn upto Monza and dominate the weekend as he did in 2012. Assuming his team-mate doesn't wipe him out on the first lap breaking for one of the chicanes.....

What Mercedes need - badly - is a Ross the Boss disciplinarian who "if you do that again sunshine, I'll break your bloody legs" or words to that effect.

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H.Guderian (ALO Fan)

"The best tonic for Lewis is turn upto Monza and dominate the weekend as he did in 2012"

No. He should crash into Sneako and ruin his title (better than a punch in the face).

As Sebee said: "Solve things in the track like real man".

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Actually Jordan was right. Those hooligans who had no respect for the drivers were very disgusting.

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What a race from Ricciardo, incredible, he was behind Vettel in the first lap and what a difference he makes during the race.

I wouldn't like to be in Rosberg shoes even if inside, he shouldn't be unhappy as he's leading by more than a win.

Don't know if McLaren told k-mag to push or treat him for his contract but remind me of Perez-Bahrein last year, aggressive stuff, would be interesting debrief as well with Jenson and made a lot of new friends.

Very interesting GP, can't wait for Monza!

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The Talk of the town will be Rosberg and Hamilton collision. Perhaps a racing incident and an avoidable one. But I Don't think Rosberg was at fault entirely!

we had multiple battles through that chicane like;

1) Kimi passing Magnussen on Lap 1 in the chicane;

2) Bottas passing Vettel on Lap 31 in the chicane;

3) Multiple car scrap towards the end there...with Vettel,Magnussen,Alonso and Button. I think Alonso and Button went side by side in the chicane.

From Mercedes' team perspective this collision was avoidable however I still think Hamilton should have been a little more careful going in the chicane knowing Rosberg is there.

Neither Hamilton's fault nor Rosberg's fault either....just a racing incident.

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Hamilton is simply paranoid especially when things are not going his way. He better think how many times he was involved in accidents, more then any other current F1 driver. Most of it was his own fault. He is acting like a spoilt child; ask this one, ask that one. He needs nanny ? If race stewards didn't consider that as someone's clear fault so be it.

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How good was that scrap at the end... I was out of my chair! MAG was a bit out of order with his line and squeezing Alonso, but I loved every moment of it.

On the Rosberg/Hamilton incident, I concur with Brundle, it was clumsy and I err on the side that it wasn't intentional, surely he could not have predicted an outcome where Hamilton would have lost out like that - I mean, if he ploughed into him, or cut him off, different story. And it's for that reason I think Lauda's comments were a bit over the top... ok it was 2 laps in which is fair enough, but the incident was a bit innocuous?

The one thing I'd say, I wasn't impressed with Hamilton's attitude through the race; how can a racer even contemplate pulling out? I know some will point to engine limits etc, but that's for his engineers to decide.

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Lewis looked like a primadonna in the race asking to retire multiple times. It's so shameful to see a racer whinge like that.

It's a sad day because he's one of the drivers I like to watch drive for his raw pace, along with Alonso for his unrelenting determination, Ricciardo for his opportunistic killer instinct, Vettel for his tenacity and Button for his overall smoothness.

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Purely Rosbergs fault

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Sitting in the armchair, which doesn't move at all, it is no challenge being the referee

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I thought Eddie did well to remind all what cost of that collision was. It was always going to happen at some point. And it was always going to be a coin toss as to who would pay the price.

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Look at the replay again, Nico was never alongside and clearly should have ceded the corner. I agree with Lauda, 100% Rosberg's fault.

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JF, Lewis could have driven completely off the track and waved Nico by, but that doesn't mean he should have done it! Nico was never far enough alongside to compel Lewis to leave him any room, hamilton was perfectly entitled to take the racing line. There is a reason the Mercedes bosses and every expert says this crash was Nico's fault.

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Kartrace, Niki was 52 when he made a mess of driving the Jaguar, I hardly think 1 morning in Valencia outweighs 3 world titles. Lauda has forgotten more about F1 racing than you will ever know.

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Lauda ? is that the same man who couldn't even do one complete lap without spinning around, at every corner, while manager at Jaguar F1 team. He better keep quite, that's for sure.

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well said!!

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Agree: but that said Hamilton did not have to turn all the way to curb. He could have avoided and would have likely got him later. Neither of them were thinking.

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Mercedes advantage is melting away, slowly but surely. They are still the fastest out there but like in the ancient story turtle won over rabbit speed...

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They need to be careful not to throw it away, I suspect team orders are imminent. Otherwise, this could be the first time in a long long while that a world driver championship is taken with a slower car (bet on Ricciardo).

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4sure Ric is the man. He is the one to support despite RBR is not the team that I normally support... Go Daniel Go....

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I wouldnt quite say that. Mercedes in a pure low downforce setting similar to what Redbull ran would have been a completely differing event.

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The Mercedes qualified 2 seconds clear of the competition.

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...and finished three seconds behind the competition.

No point being fast if you're just going to trip yourself up.

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But to finish first, first you need to finish. Saturday counts for very little besides the record books.

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Rosberg was catching Ricciardo at 2-4 seconds per lap. With a season that long, it doesn't hurt Mercedes if they don't win every time, they're fast enough and have good enough, though not stellar, reliability, to win both championships.

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Yes right you are but if Mercedes boys keep taking each other out then it may go Riccardo way, ball is round. I wish that someone could challenge those super fast Silver Arrows this year and that is exactly what Ric is doing, great job from him..

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Gutted for LH44, thrilling race, classic Spa. Good call not to bring the safety car for the debris from LH44 tire.

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James please let us know, how did Kimi do a 23 lap stint on the medium tyres? I thought He was heading for trouble towards the end, but Kimi pulled it off.

This is reminiscent of how he raced with Lotus in 2012/2013, where he would do an unbelievably long stint and bring home a good result.

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Kimi Just said that His First stint was ok, car was sliding on the second stint and it was sliding even more on the third/last stint. All the more reasons, to let us know how did Kimi pull off 23 laps on Medium tyres when Vettel couldn't?. It didn't damage Vettel in the end as he finished 5th, but he only just finished fifth.

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Appauling race from Rosberg, takes out his team-mate damaging his front wing, messes up his overtake on Vettel flatspotting his tires, and is only able to take 2nd place due to his cars dominant pace advantage.

Unsurprising that he was booed on the podium, similar to his performance in Hungary, he was really rather poor when he actually had to fight for his position rather than cruising to victory. Toto and Niki will have a few choice words for Nico who cost Mercedes dear today.

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I loved how he reacted. He could not give less $#!T about those boos.

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He gave a great Austria $#!T about the boos - he looked very uncomfortable and shifted around and actually said "it's (the boos) not good for me". I like how you just create an alternative reality for yourself when the reality isn't what you want it to be - very intellectual.

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Are you sure, looked like he wanted to cry to me, His upper lip was quivering a little.

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He looked like a scared little boy that knows he's been naughty

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He looked more sheepish and guilty to me...

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Good to see Eddie putting those so called fans into place.

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Rosberg. Monaco? Spa? Too many question marks? Is he Schumacher ruthless or just clumsy?

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He is not ruthless, he is not clumpsy. He just lacks ethics and is desperate to prove he is at least a match to Hamilton.

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Thats unfair. The man more lacking in ethics is Hamilton - misleading statement to the media today, misleading statement to the Melbourne stewards a few years back, and not much there in the way of sportsmanship.

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Correct, there is a age-old basic principle of it being better to be respected than liked. Nico is not worthy of respect, despite the likes of Sebee not having an issue with the conduct of Rosberg; the comments say lots about the individual. I'm no Hamilton fan, I don't much like the 'bling', but in previous races LH afforded Nico respect in close battle but I suspect now the gloves are off and Rosberg is now presenting an image that Mercedes Benz can't want (or rather drivers of their cars don't want) and I suspect this is not over by a long way. With news tonight, confirmed by Wolf, that this was no accident by Rosberg there must surely be repercussions for him. Whilst on my rant, I can't believe we're still having to sponsor Eddie Jordan via the licence fee - bring back Mr Anderson, at least he knew what he was talking about.

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He's all new...ruthless with finesse - because it's never intentional.

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I noticed, and have for a number of Grand Prix now, media/cameramen being in the pitlane during races when not very long ago there was a big thing made about the media supposedly being banned from the pitlane during races as a result of a "stray" tyre at Germany 2013. Why is the going on? Why are they creeping back in? Has it just become unfashionable until the next incident/death?

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At first I thought what a mistake on rosbergs part. But watching rosbergs on board camera you Cleary see him ram his steering wheel into Hamilton's carwhen he couldn't make it around.

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The crowd was absolutely disgraceful. What happened between Nico and Hamilton was a pure racing incident and nothing else. Fantastic race by Ric, Bottas, Mag and Alonso. I think we have a future champ in Riccardio and Bottas.

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Totally agree!

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Zombie

Nico has admitted deliberately hitting Hamilton!

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You're correct, it would appear that it was no 'accident' and the words from Lewis confirmed as 'broadly correct' by Mr Wolf. Sebee, who can't see beyond spite/envy/jealousy won't see it that way though....

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Nico did no such thing. Lewis just yapping to get public sympathy instead of playing smart. Note - Lewis is always the one to push it further, then to complain publicly. Man....does Nico ever have his number.

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Obviously the crowd felt it wasn't just a racing incident and made it clear to Rosberg, sending him the message that he's got to clean his acts. Spa today but also Monaco some weeks ago remember? As for you, it was disrespectful to brand the crowd a disgrace for expressing their feelings.

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I suppose only the booing hooligans only were a disgrace, not the crowd per se.

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A few in the crowd at least

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Actually maybe not so much a racing incident

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/28921431

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Too many hooligans in the crowd. Shame on Spa.

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Nico's caught the ]mod] disease. Win at all costs.

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Inappropriate comment.

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Wrong choice of words mate. I assume you are referring to Schumi and Vettel, rather than Sutil and Heidfeld.

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BRITISH by any chance?

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@PeterF - Race? Lol We're all part of the HUMAN race! Nationalism in F1 on the other hand is very much a part of the sport! That's why they play the National Anthems on the Podium! Not that I agree with that especially when the whole conspiracy debate of Hamilton being at Mercedes "a German Team", that favours Rosberg, blah blah, etc occurs regardless of the fact that the Team is based in the UK and half the Grid are supplied by Mercedes, etc Not to mention British commentators constantly referring to "the German" did this or that??? I might be British but like many other fans support Kimi regardless of the fact that I'm not Finnish! ie. I asked the question legitimately due to the statement!

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@PeterF - Race? Lol We're all part of the HUMAN race! Nationalism in F1 is very much a part of the sport! British comedy German skits are a national pastime! Lol

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Another comment aimed at race and nationally.

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Sorry but this is just getting [mod]

James, please can we stick to comments about Formula 1 on this site and not ridiculous slurs and derogatory comments.

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H.Guderian (ALO Fan)

@Sebee

He was kidding (I guess) 😉

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David. Got it. Ok...I'm slimming down. Sorry guys. I get excited sometimes. But you guys need me, otherwise it would be a pro Lewis rally.

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Well said.

And while you're at it James could you limit Sebee's posts to under 2,000 a day please, his comments are drowning everyone else's out!!

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There you go... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28921431

"We just had a meeting about it and he basically said he did it on purpose," said Hamilton.

The 2008 world champion added: "He said he could have avoided it, but he didn't want to. He basically said, 'I did it to prove a point'."

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Yeah, I was stunned by this comments. But can we really believe it? It's comming from a guy why lies to Race Stewards, so we need to take his comments carefully.

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It would seem from TW's subsequent comments in Autosport, LH misunderstood or misinterpreted NR's comments in the "closed door" meeting.

For LH then to go out to the press and blab to gain sympathy and support is not being a team play and quite underhanded. I can't recall NR doing that in the past when there have been similar incidents in which he pulled the short straw.

It always takes two to have an incident. In the past LH has usually relied on the other party, like his hero Senna to avoid these collisions. Backing off is something NR has done several times this year. LH could've easily left a bit more room after NR had his nose up around his air box and subsequently backed off. If you are going to pretend to be Senna, you have to live with the consequences, and not complain when others take a similar stance. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. When playing such games, you always risk an incident. Just see what happened to FA and SV on the last lap.

There is no way a sane and rational person, even in the heat of battle is going to risk loosing a nose purposely when he still has everything to win. At best a 50/50 racing incident.

For NL and TW to even discuss the incidents in public before both drivers have had a chance to give their version, is frankly very unprofessional, and they should BOTH be called on it. Airing ones dirty laundry in public as they both did, no matter their personal feelings suggests they are not fit to run a soda pop store, let alone an F1 team. Good thing I'm not on the BoD of Mercedes-Benz, because I'd give them a serious reprimand for bringing the good name of the company into disrepute before there had even been an internal hearing!

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Is it transferred by sneezing or bodily fluid exchange? Need to know so we can all catch it.

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Ok guys... maybe a better post would have been "Rosberg is following in his compatriate's footsteps... pissing everyone off to win at all costs". Just a casual comment about his 2 compatriots that have preceded him.

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Seebee Mercededs have confirmed Hamiltons version!

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Very offensive comment. These types of comments referring to non European peoples would cause outrage. Why is it acceptable to make anti German comments like this. Assume for a moment that the country of say, Congo, had produced drivers whose histories, conduct and records were identical to Schumacher, Vettel and Rosberg. Would you make the same comment, simply replacing the word German with the word Congolese? More to the point would people be OK with such a comment? I think there would probably be a major backlash of outrage. It seems though, for some reason that alludes me, most people are totally fine with anti German sentiment or any other dominantly European populated country. Your comment was allowed by the moderator. Had it been an African or Asian country to which you were referring, it probably would not have been allowed. I am just trying to draw attention to this issue.

Anyway, regarding the specific Formula 1 topic that you are addressing, I agree that it was Rosberg's fault; he should have backed out of it and he should have been given a penalty once it had occurred. Why not just say this instead of carpet bombing an entire country with generalized and prejudicial comments.

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Calm down, Wade. Perhaps Quercus is a Jew, his comments would be understandable, then.

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Nico looking less and less like a worthy champion

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To be fair, he's never actually looked close to being one regardless of the point tally.

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He is not a champion yet....

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Great win for Danny and RBR. Totally bossed Seb today... again. Glad Kimi clawed back some much needed dignity. Good to see young Bottas on the podium again. Good fight back from Rosberg after breaking his nose on the other cars rear tyre. MAG was borderline yet balsy. Toughing it out with 3 WDC's. Lewis lost more dignity by whining and giving up. Pathetic crowd booing during the presentation. Whose fans were they?

Enjoyed the scrap for 5th immensely. Good stuff.

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Dan was brilliant again! And as a Kimi fan I've got something to smile about this year at last! Just hope Ferrari give him the car he needs next year!

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Maybe they were booing because Lewis lost minimum 18 points probably 25 because his teammate can't drive properly

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As was very clearly explained, he wasn't "giving up", he wanted to save the engine, because he's already one engine down on Rosberg after the fire in Hungary and there was no chance of Lewis scoring points - he was driving the car and he knew that he didn't have enough downforce to pass the faster cars ahead, even if there was a safety car. I'd like drivers to push to their limit all season long as well, but the regulations are the way they are so every lap of every season counts towards the car's wear rate. Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

I agree on the booing though, this wasn't Austria 2002, there was no need for it.

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A ludicrous accusation. One only has to think back to the last race in Hungary to know what Hamilton can do in terms of racing through the field from the back, and at Spa overtaking is much easier, so clearly he had a car issue which prevented this. A lot of internet armchair warriors coming up with the same accusation, perhaps it would be different if you were the one knowing that, due to car damage, you might end up in the wall at 160 MPH?

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Shame on Rosberg.

Wolff is not doing his job good enought, I just do not see Mercedes having this situation with Ross. Good for Rocciardo, 3rd win.

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Bad indeed. But they've allowed the drivers to race and should be commended on that, as they have been with the other thrilling races. Perhaps now they'll have team orders (no fighting in the first 5 laps; no fighting after the last pit stop, that sort of thing). But it would be a sad thing to have and people might complain of team orders like with Red Bull. We can't have our cake and eat it.

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I agree with Craig. It's actually great how Mercedes allows their drivers to race freely. Maybe they just need to come on hard with the discipline and place consequences on the drivers if either of them cost the other the race or points.

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Wasn't fair to boo Rosberg....it was a racing incident. You can clearly see him trying to swerve towards the left to avoid the incident. But somehow couldn't pull it . Has to admit that Rosberg is very poor at overtaking.

Was fun to see Hamilton trying to politize the issue in his after race speech as to how Nico has let down the team, board members, whole of England etc etc 😀

Ricciardo drove well. But benefitted from slower Vettel holding up Bottas and Rosberg.

By the way, what happened to Vettel. He was 1s a lap slower than Ricciardo and struggling to keep the car on track, exceeding track limits all the time. Seems like something was amiss with his race setup

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Vettel missed FP2 so had to go with some of Ricciado's settings which didn't suit him.

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Apparently some pretty heated discussions going on in Red Bull garage as well.

Vettel denies lack of running in FP2 is not the reason. There was something fundamentally wrong with the car it seems.

He was struggling throughout the race to keep the car in track. Heard some harsh words were exchanged in the Red bull garage.

Wish to shed some light on this,James??????

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Agreed!

It was also obvious, Hamilton was not just shutting the door at that corner, he wanted to shut it with a bang. To make sure Rosberg gets poor exit, and also to send a message: "don't you dare!" Had he been content with just staying ahead, the incident would not have happened (look at Kimi/Bottas at the same corner to see how it should be done properly). Having said that, Rosberg should have expected Hamilton to shut the door aggressively, and kept his nose away. So, it seems a racing incident to me.

What is also interesting, is it seems Hamilton himself initially was not so sure about how the blame will be apportioned, and started his long lament about retiring the car. And well he might, as he was driving back to the pits way too quickly (as Brundle immediately spotted), and thus damaged the floor. And ended any hope of a recovery drive. Retiring a car will then appear a force majeure, and he will be free to blame Nico in all his troubles, conveniently forgetting his own mistakes.

Finally, I can see now why Brawn didn't want to stay with this team any more. Neither Wolff, nor Lauda seem to be capable of issuing team orders properly, and managing their drivers in general. This leads to internal politicking, and Hamilton looks set to try his hand at this.

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I would agree that Wolff and Lauda are making a hash of this. Too many cooks spoil the broth and having these two guys shooting from the hip without thinking of the bigger picture is not helping the Mercedes cause. If heads roll at the end of the season I think they are both in the frame! Ross Brawn must be ROFL !

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Well said.

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Bottas was all the way past Kimi before the corner, Nico was never ahead of Lewis, barely even alongside. Totally Nico's fault, every expert says so, Niki Lauda says so, only the die hard Lewis bashers think differently.

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It wasn't incident, you can tell from his body language on the podium he knows it's entirely his own fault. Bad spacial awareness. He didn't even apologise to lewis. Coward

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How do you know?

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You can clearly see him trying to swerve towards the left to avoid the incident....

That's an interesting viewpoint. Don't know if you have SKY, but they covered the incident after the race in minute detail, with frame by frame analysis. Rosberg was definitely not turning away, in fact he turned, right (into the corner), then left, then right again. It was the second turn right that clipped Hamiltons rear tyre - they did all the CGI virtual race stuff and Hamilton was bang on the racing line and Rosberg only just had his nose alongside the rear tyre of Hamiltons car. I don't think he did it on purpose as it would have been very high risk strategy on his part, with no guarantee of a puncture but almost a certain damaged front wing. I think, as you said, it's just Rosberg is crap at wheel to wheel racing. All of the ex race drivers on SKY had Rosberg completely in the frame as far as fault was concerned. It doesn't really matter though, he still picked up 18 points over Hamilton 🙁

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Congrats to Ricciardo and the great team work by Red Bull. And Welcomeback Kimi Raikkonen!!! knew I could count on him for Spa. After the difficult season he has been having. This P4 must taste very sweet.

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Did the toys just go flying out of the pram. Guess we don't have to hear about how Lewis never gives up any more

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On the contrary, Lee McKenzie said just how calm and collected Lewis was when she interviewed him.

It was absolutely clear that the damage to his car made it impossible to score any points. This was apparent to him far sooner than it was to the team and he said that he could not even catch the Lotus of Grojean.

Remember, Hamilton is already one engine down on Rosberg because of the fire in Hungary and he said that, as a result, he will be restricted in the mileage he can do in practice for the rest of the season.

There was therefore no point in continuing the race and putting more miles on his current engine than necessary. If I had been him I would have retired the car immediately I realised how bad it was.

When it comes to the last race with double points, Mercedes might regret keeping him out on track today.

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Monza, in sport you never ever give up until the fat lady is singing.

Great thing about sport is you never know what happens even to the last lap. Imagine if someone had an off and caused a safety car? Lewis being at the right place at the right time could've earned him a haul of points or victory...

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Your wasting your time Monza, these people aren't interested in the truth, only what they wish had happened so they would have a reason to bash Lewis.

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... wow Ricciardo! Your first Classic Grand Prix! And first back to back. A heartfelt salute!

As to Nico and Lewis. It was a clumsy racing incident. Nico needs to improve his wheel to wheel combats.

Again, I loved the wheel to wheel racing in general throughout the Grand Prix. Especially the final laps between Button, KMag, Alonso and Vettel. Awesome stuff! It'd be a shame if this would get lost in the pursuit of speed and aero.

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Justin Haynes race report was disappointing very uncommital of the Hamilton / Rosberg incident, I assume you were there so would expect a view on the subject.

Are we in for another Senna/Prost type incidents hope not. What can Mercedes do if they believe a driver is at fault, nothing really.

This type of action may mean I suppose Mercedes lose one of their drivers , personally if it was me I would move elsewhere not worth having this agro in the same team.

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I believe the ham-ros incident to be a racing incident. Could have easily been the other way around. Feel it for Hamilton and as a fan of his very gutted but this is racing. It was inevitable. Good race overall. Rosberg has the luck of the race gods on his side this year. Massa and Hamilton just not in their favor.

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Well done nico cost your team a guaranteed one two, it was a stupid mistake,100% your fault,.ewis had the racing line, and just a little clip, totally ruined which would have been a great scrap between the 2 of them, and again you demonstrate your absolutely pathetic race craft throughout the race, brilliant from the young aussie again, what a star, great to see kimi on form, vettals race a bit like most of them this season, bottas great again, he's got my tenner for monza it it stays dry, chin up lewis, your well still in the fight..

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Great beer!

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Very enjoyable race with some great racing right through the field

It's no longer a surprise - but Dan continues to prove himself a world class star.

As for the mercs incident in Lap 2- just a racing incident. Nico's fault on balance, but thats what happens sometimes when racing.

Thats it. Nothing more it less, but that won't stop many.

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Hmm, I'm not sure you can say that Hamilton "shut the door" ... he left Rosberg room, and was on the racing line. Rosberg it seems, was too anxious to regain the lead he lost at the start, that he clumsily kept his nose in (he nudged right twice, hitting Hamilton's left rear on the 2nd nudge over). Vettel didn't try to go around the outside there on lap 1, and he was further ahead of Lewis than Rosberg ever was! Silly and unnecessary from Rosberg, especially on lap 2 of the race!

I hope all those that said that Hamilton cost Mercedes the race win in Hungary, will now rain down their disdain on Rosberg for ruining what was a dead-cert 1-2 for Mercedes in this race. Whereas Lewis said before the race that he was prepared to play the long game in the race, it appears Nico was not. He got beat off the line quite easily, then seemed in a panic to regain those places.

I wouldn't call it a penalizable incident, but it was unnecessary and total amateur hour from Rosberg. It reminded me of his overtaking attempt on Kimi at the last race ... that also was clumsy, he was only saved there by Kimi seeing him. Rosberg's pass attempt on Vettel later on (while in a VET-ROS-BOT train) was also overdone, allowing Bottas to pass him after he failed to overtake Vettel.

Again I thought the SC should've been deployed b/c of all the tire debris from Lewis' car around Blanchimont. There were a few laps there where that was quite dangerous for cars to be zipping through. I am puzzled why there wasn't a SC there.

I am surprised by how public both Wolff and Lauda were in pretty much condemning Rosberg for that incident. It's going to be an interesting debrief for Mercedes, that's for sure!

Great race from Ricciardo again ... he's now only 35 pts behind Hamilton, which is ridiculous (from Mercedes viewpoint, I mean). Mercedes will have to make sure that Ricciardo is mathematically excluded from the title race before Abu Dhabi. If he was less than 50 pts back, and both Mercedes drivers took each other out, and Dan took the WDC, it would be a monumental embarrassment. It would be embarrassing if he was even able to split the Mercedes drivers.

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Hamilton was lucky Kimi saw him banzai-ing up the inside a race or two ago not Rosberg??? But all the Hamiliton fans called it a brilliant overtaking manouver??? But if Kimi didn't give him room it would have ended in tears for them both!!! That's happened a few times between them over the years thanks to Hamilton...

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@KRB - Watched the on board footage of Hungary to see the Rosberg overtake you were talking about on Kimi and have to say as a Kimi fan I just see Kimi get boxed in behind Bottas on Turn 1, giving Nico the opportunity to take him??? Kimi might have been squeezed a bit but not by much? Hamilton definitely shut the door on Rosberg in a big way on Turn 2 later in the race with a serious turn to the right into him to push him out onto the runoff and almost onto the grass...little wonder Rosberg is pissed at him especially after something worse in Bahrain!

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@KRB - In Germany it was Hamilton on Kimi and he actually hit Kimi! If you did a "montage" of questionable over takes Hamilton would lead Rosberg by a mile! Lol

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That was Rosberg on Kimi in Hungary ... if Kimi took the corner in the usual way, there would've been contact. Rosberg basically barged him out, and Kimi, not wanting to affect the championship battle, got out of the way and compromised his own race.

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KRB

It's worse than you thought, Nico admitted he did it deliberately!

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Says who? His team mate who has a history of lying?

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I expect you have seen the stuff over on the BBC - Hamilton is claiming Rosberg admitted he could have avoided the incident and chose not too - a Mercedes spokesman has said that Hamiltons version of what was said in the post race debrief is accurate. Toto says that action will be taken.....

Watch this space.

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+1

He took the line he was entitled to and was completely out of the way. NR turned away then back into his rear wheel...

And on lap 2 the whole championship changed from 'great racing' to an example of a not particularly good racer (as history shows) in an exceptional car behaving as you would expect.

Well done to DR for picking up the bits - at least he races cleanly in a not particularly exceptional car.

The interview with NR after.... Frankly sickening...

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JF, all of the drivers know what is expected when you're fighting in a corner like that. Nico would only know too well that it was Lewis' corner. He's made a few references before to knowing that it's the lead car's corner, and "he's the boss" for it. And those were the times where Hamilton wedged him out, in Bahrain and Hungary. In that corner in Belgium, Nico had PLENTY of room to bail out of it, tuck back in, and be attacking again at the next corner.

Nico obviously felt entitled to scupper the team result on Sunday ... Mercedes are lucky they scored 18 pts, it could've been zero. Nico had plenty of room to move into, to avoid the collision. He turned INTO Lewis. Nico did a Maldonado there.

Someone should make up a collage, with the Monaco spin, the spin in China Q3, the contact with Bottas down to turn 1 at China, cutting the last chicane in Canada, the reckless dive down on Kimi in Hungary (or on Bottas, or on Vergne), the contact at Les Combes, and the hash of a move on Vettel in Spa ... with the title "This Guy Could Be Our F1 Champion?!?"

He's in the catbird seat, in terms of the championship, but his drives to get there have been less than edifying.

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Think of it this way: would you pull out n front of a gas tanker with your family in the car just because you felt you were entitled?

Lewis could have avoided, not excusing Nico, but Lewis could have avoided.

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Which would have been less than a win if not dsq in Australia!

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what a simply stunning drive by ricci. ballsy yet cool, gets the job done. as for the mercedes duo, what can one say? a racing incident, in my opinion, and obviously so, as far as the stewards are concerned but the knives will be out. it could be said that rosberg caused it but even if he was in the wrong and i personally don't think he was, hamilton could've widened his line slightly and still kept track position at the same time preserving his car from contact. hamilton would have had rosberg clearly in his mirrors.

i guess the question is, did hamilton chop and hit rosberg or did rosberg hit hamilton. hamilton had the call as it was his racing line so a tough call. in the end i put it down to a racing incident. was not impressed by hamilton's desire to end his race early. yes, it was a pragmatic decision but he is there to race not to go home early.

the scrap for the last five positions in the top ten was a real shoot out and provided some entertaining action. must admit though that the last 10 laps were edge of the couch stuff and i was impressed at how ricci was able to maintain his times and at the same time preserve enough to see him safely through to the chequered flag. bottas also gets a guernsey for a really great drive as well. he is proving to be to be an asset for williams and he is bringing in some big points which will help the team immensely.

a really good race overall. honey badgers take no prisoners.

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Unbelievable you can even consider it was Hamiltons fault

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remember the old cliche...it takes two tango. despite all of the confected hoo har about this event, daniel showed them all what is possible. stunning drive.

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That you could possibly consider Hamilton's line a "chop" is beyond me, but hey, it wouldn't be the first time I'd be mystified at the opinions held by certain sections of F1 fandom. It was nothing of the sort. Nico apparently has claimed that he could've avoided it, but didn't so as to "prove a point". Not sure what point that was, but nice going Rosberg!

I think Merc will institute team orders now, at least at various times in the race. In this race, for example, once Nico had regained 2nd from Vettel, the order would be to hold position and to pull a decent gap to the cars behind, before allowing them to race each other for the lead.

I would love to know if Rosberg used the "illegal" engine setting to catch up to Lewis at the end of lap 1, into lap 2. I think Nico thought that he had to get the place back off Lewis there and then, before Lewis could stretch his legs. Shoddy driving. Still, it's another mistake from Rosberg in which he's the main beneficiary. Hardly the stuff of a champion-elect.

Thought it was hilarious that Rosberg claimed that the only fans booing him were British fans.

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@kenneth.chapman - I was there, and I can tell you it was certainly more than just the Poms booing Rosberg, even the German fans near me looked uncomfortable about it. I think the booing had a lot more to do with everyone being so disappointed that what they had hoped would be an epic, race long battle was over on lap 2 thanks to an entirely avoidable incident.

Don't forget, those of us get at the track didn't get 800 replays and expert analysis all race, we saw it once and got one replay.

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kenneth chapman

@KRB.... glad to hear that you got your jollies from rosbergs comments about British F1 hooligans booing a guy who has just raced his nuts off? i can understand people booing when vettel cheated but that was a totally different scenario.

i take it that you were there and saw all the other nationalities participating in the 'mass vent'. were there many french/belgian/dutch[ et al] people in the crowd mix. let me know, i'm interested......

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As I said above:

Think of it this way: would you pull out n front of a gas tanker with your family in the car just because you felt you were entitled?

Lewis could have avoided, not excusing Nico who could also have avoided by running off track. Lewis knew Nico was there, he did not have to go completely to apex, but he did.

Had both been thinking they could have had an easy 1-2, and I think Lewis would have prevailed.

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I'm not sure about Driver of the Day, but Rosberg Junior wins Wally of the Weekend hands down!

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What a surprise, you think it was Hamilton's fault! I can't help thinking that if the position s were reversed you would be (rightly) calling it totally Lewis's fault. Nico was never alongside and should have ceded the corner, it's a pretty basic principle of race driving. Lauda was pretty clear about it being Nico's mistake and obviously he knows a lot more than you about these things.

Your right about Ricciardo though, brilliant driving.

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I did have a pretty good opinion on Nico when the season started, as I well remember his dad's races. He could not be further away of what great Keke was, however.

I did not trust him a bit in Monaco after the incident that gave him the Pole Position, and after Les Combes today never will.

Really, really disappointing fellow.

I just hope that Lewis is in for a new edition of Seb's 2010 World Championship, when he only led when it mattered, after the last race.

I would just be poetic justice.

Go Lewis!

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@Kenneth Chapman

it could be said that rosberg caused it but even if he was in the wrong and i personally don’t think he was, hamilton could’ve widened his line slightly and still kept track position at the same time preserving his car from contact. hamilton would have had rosberg clearly in his mirrors....

Last time we had a debate about the rights and wrongs of an incident (Silverstone crash barrier repair) you were very keen to inform me that Niki Lauda agreed with your viewpoint and as he is an ex 3xWDC etc he knows what's what. Well I am sure you will be delighted to hear that Niki was interviewed by SKY and he blamed Rosberg 100% - so can I expect you to change your stance, as you have already acknowledged Niki is the expert? Or is he only right, if he happens to have the same opinion as you 😉

With regard to Hamilton view in his mirror; they dissected the whole thing on SKY with frame by frame analysis as well as the CGI virtual imagery they use - Hamilton couldn't see Rosberg at the moment of impact - so sorry, your armchair expertise is once again somewhat wide of the mark 🙂

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Your wasting your time C63, Kenneth loves picking holes in other people's posts, demanding evidence etc, but never responds when people ask him difficult questions.

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At this rate, Dan should start thinking about getting 2nd in the championship. After Monza, a lot of the tracks will suit Red Bull and I think the championship may now get really ugly between the Mercedes team(not)mates. Heck, he might do a Kimi'07 and win the the thing.

To comment on the incident, Nico is very cunning, clever and is prepared to risk for desperate measures. Lewis needs to get over that this championship is his god given right and stop underestimating his teammate. Fire up, man. His attitude was lousy after the incident. For a guy who knows that championships are won in the last corner I was very surprised by how defeatist he sounded. The team will soon start putting all resources towards the more positive and constructive Rosberg camp soon.

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Nico is indeed no push over, is he? It must have been a lot easier with Kovalainen back in the day!

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his car was badly damaged,he had lost about 50 points of downforce,so he had no chance of getting points.plus he is one engine down on nico which could cost him more points.so he was racing for nothing.so why not save your engine.

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@kenneth ... (groan)

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kenneth chapman

hamilton drove like 'goose' on the return to his pit. if he had taken a bit more care then he woudn't have damaged the floor so badly. not a very clever guy this hamilton.

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Exactly my point about Dan doing a Kimi to win. You beat me to it to comment 😛

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Fantastic win by Ricciardo. What a superstar. If you weren't sure about him before this race, you have to be now. Irrespective of the Mercedes sideshow, he took on Kimi/Alonso/Vettel (and the Williams of Bottas) head to head and obliterated the. Very impressed

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100% agree!

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Three wins and no pole positions. What this says to me is that Ricciardo is a phenomenal racer and quick when it counts. A future legend. Drivers with more wins than poles are the best drivers. More poles than wins mean a driver is quicker but, More wins than poles mean a driver is better.

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I expected people would rebut my argument with the Senna example. Senna was undoubtedly one of the greatest. His greatness stemmed from his phenomenal speed and unparallelled ballsy driving. This gave him a lot of pole positions. As for being an all rounded race driver, he wasn't on the same level as Prost.

Prost had a sublime talent that didn't look as quick as it actually was. Prost also was a calculating strategist with a brilliant technical mind and a sympathy for his car. Prost would make sure he was quickest when he needed to be, seizing opportunities that presented themselves and capitalizing on the weaknesses and mistakes of other drivers. These attributes resulted in less pole positions but more wins. He also experienced the same era of high rates of unreliability as Senna did. Since wins are more important than poles, it speaks for itself really.

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Umm Senna?

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More wins than poles: Schumi, Prost, Alonso, Stewart, Lauda.

More poles than wins: Senna, Vettel, Hamilton, Clark, Mansell.

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What so Ayrton Senna wasn't one of the GOATs because he had more poles than wins? Rubbish, especially back then when reliability was poor.

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Good drive DR.....

Solid performance by Bottas and Kimi.

How can the stewards not look into the avoidable incident between Hamilton and Rosberg?.

By not backing out of the corner he by his action compromised the leaders race. I'm staggered it was not even investigated.

Really disappointed with Rosberg, this is not a sign of toughness - he is letting himself down.

Good race tarnished - the stewards...... Oh boy.

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+1000

But then - what do you expect when the guy causing the issue says he needs to see the telly before he comments and its Spa... And LH in the lead....

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Have you ever watched a F1 race before? That's what is called a RACING INCIDENT... Oh the bias...

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Well done Danny - he is for sure the real deal, once again showing his #1 teammate the way home.

As for Rosberg, he couldn't make his way past one driver without contact - kinda puts into perspective the stunning job that Hamilton has done at the last 2 races when he has overtaken almost the entire field! Ironic that a number of posters felt Hamilton was clumsy when he was overtaking 20 odd cars and had a couple of minor (non race ending) brushes. Perhaps it's not quite as easy as you naysayers thought.