Nico Rosberg
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Did Rosberg admit to crashing into Hamilton “on purpose”?
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Posted By: James Allen  |  24 Aug 2014   |  9:56 pm GMT  |  1,014 comments

Sometimes a story comes out which is so sensational it calls for time to carefully study and reflect on the details . And the apparent confession by Nico Rosberg that he crashed into Lewis Hamilton “on purpose”, as it has been reported, is one such story.

If true it would totally undermine Rosberg’s integrity as an F1 driver and as a championship contender. It would devalue his world title if he were to go on and win it – and any future world titles – and would invite some awkward questions from the FIA about his conduct. They have the right to reconvene the stewards if fresh evidence – such as a confession – comes to light after a race, so they will no doubt be keen to find out more about what Rosberg actually said in the meeting.

And given Keke Rosberg’s outspoken attack on Michael Schumacher in Monaco in 2006, where he called him a “cheap cheat” for deliberately crashing his car in qualifying to take pole (although Schumacher never admitted to it, the stewards decided it was deliberate), it would also set him on a collision course with his own father.

So did Rosberg admit to hitting Hamilton “on purpose”, or not?

Hamilton puncture

After the race and following a heated team meeting, Lewis Hamilton told the written press that Rosberg had admitted he did it “on purpose” as he had wanted to ‘make a point” when they crashed on the second lap of the race.

“We just had a meeting about it and he basically said he did it on purpose,” said Hamilton. “He said he could have avoided it, but he didn’t want to. He basically said, ‘I did it to prove a point.’ “

The initial press reports said that a Mercedes spokesman had confirmed that Hamilton’s comments were an accurate reflection of what had been said.

Here lies the confusion. Rosberg did apparently say that he had not backed down “to prove a point”. But this is a very different thing from admitting that he had deliberately crashed into Hamilton; done it “on purpose”, which is a huge and terrible thing to admit and which would invite heavy sanctions.

The only comparable precendent would be the Nelson Piquet Jr admission in 2009 that he had deliberately crashed his car in Singapore on orders from his team management to help his Renault team mate to win a race. This led to temporary bans on Flavio Briatore and Pat Symonds.

So did Hamilton interpret Rosberg saying that he kept going to make a point, as an admission that he did it in purpose, or was Rosberg explicit in admitting it was deliberate? If the latter, it was not only out of character for a man who is careful with his words, it was an extremely foolish thing to say as it could only lead to extreme sanctions.

At about the same time as Hamilton’s quotes were circulating, Rosberg – who had declined to comment straight after the race until he had reviewed the incident on video – posted on social media that it was a “racing incident” as far as he was concerned and that the stewards had clearly seen it the same way, by taking no action.

When the media reports claiming Rosberg’s sensational confession began to emerge Toto Wolff clarified the situation, by saying, “Nico felt he needed to hold his line. He needed to make a point and for Lewis it was clearly not him who needed to be aware of Nico. They agreed to disagree in a very heated discussion among ourselves.

“But it wasn’t deliberate crashing. This is nonsense.”

Hamilton and Rosberg

When quizzed further by this website, the Mercedes spokesman who had originally been credited with confirming Rosberg’s words, said that all he had confirmed was that Rosberg had said he wanted to prove a point by continuing with the attempted pass.

He said that he had never confirmed that Rosberg had admitted to crashing into Hamilton “on purpose”.

At a briefing attended by this website, Wolff had earlier spelled out his anger that this accident had happened, calling it an “unacceptable level of risk” and saying that he felt “let down” by Rosberg initiating an incident, which had led to the team losing another win – the second win thrown away in the last three races – and implied that he would be sanctioning Rosberg for this breach of their agreement. “It cannot and will not happen again, “ he said.

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He said he would now have to apply firm rules with strict punishments should one of his drivers break those rules. Agreements had been in place between the team and both drivers that they would not get into a situation where one car hit another and Rosberg had violated that by triggering this incident.

But again, this is not to say that Rosberg deliberately crashed into Hamilton. Some pundits have described it as “clumsy” driving by Rosberg and it certainly looked to this observer like he insisted too much in a position where he was unlikely to succeed. Team chairman Niki Lauda told this website that he was especially angry with Rosberg for doing this on lap two of a long race.

The decision by Lauda and Wolff in the immediate aftermath of the race to criticize Rosberg, as well as the boos from some sections of the fans under the podium put Rosberg in a bad light. Hamilton’s comments inflamed this.

The only course of action now is for the team to take control of the situation and issue a clear statement of exactly what Rosberg said in that meeting with regard to “making a point”, clarifying beyond any doubt whether Rosberg admitted to “doing it on purpose”, as Hamilton contends.

This would need to be a statement to which Hamilton and Rosberg also put their names, so that there can be no doubt as to what was said.

Anything less than that will create a vacuum, a space for interpretation, which would be hugely damaging to the team and which could cause more damage to its title charge and its image than any number of collisions between drivers.

There is no doubt that Mercedes are now spooked. The rejuvenated form of Red Bull, particularly its now extremely efficient energy recovery system, the third win for Ricciardo, which brings him to 35 points behind Hamilton in the drivers standings, with seven races to go and with the spectre of double points for the last race have scared the team into thinking they could throw the championship away if they allow any more stupid things to happen.

The idea that this astonishing Mercedes car, which has dominated the first six months of the season, could end up not carrying one of its drivers to the title is unthinkable to Wolff, Lauda and the Daimler board member who got the full blast of Hamilton’s anger as he stepped from the car.

The essence of the matter is this: having lost the start to Hamilton, Rosberg felt he was faster and was determined to repass his team mate. With Hamilton covering the inside line, Rosberg was forced to look outside. He was not far enough alongside to pass into the second part of the chicane as Hamilton took his normal line. Rosberg clearly insisted on the attempt and for that reason they touched with Rosberg’s wing endplate cutting Hamilton’s tyre.

Hamilton now lies 29 points behind Rosberg with seven races to go and double points at the last race. If this is classed as a mistake by Rosberg, rather than a deliberate act, this will be the second time this season he has lost out to a mistake by his team mate, after incident in qualifying at Monaco.

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1

Not backing out "to prove a point" is effectively causing pre-meditated collision. That's the issue, he could have backed out but chose not to.

Schumacher vs. Rosberg - Spa 2010:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxRG0j5LFVY

2

clearly not a racing incident.

how can it be when he turned away from Ham and then had a daddys boy spoilt brat tantrum and turned back into him. Not a racing incident. A racing incident is when 2 drivers collide without intention to do so. Rosberg clearly intended to do so by turning back in when ham was still in the corner and next to him

3

Of course the spectators booed Rosberg. the fans paid good money to see a fight between these two for the whole race not for it to be over on the second lap,Rosberg was only thinking of himself not the team or the fans. I guess when you have a new contract under your belt you think you can do anything.

4

Hamilton was as skillful with his "Rosberg admitted he crashed into me" allegation as he was in diving across the track towards the second, left-hand part of the chicane - in other words, not very! After all, Toto Wolf said it was "nonsense" to say Rosberg made that admission and a close look at the replay shows Rosberg didn't deviate from his line - it was Hamilton who crossed towards the left-hander and, in the process, ran into Rosberg. Hamilton admitted that he kept to his normal racing line through the corner and he claimed that even Alonso would agree that Rosberg should've slowed to make way for him. If that was true, the stewards would surely have penalized Rosberg after the race. No, Hamilton says it was not his job to make room for Rosberg nor, indeed, to actually know where Rosberg was. By inference, it was his right to stay on his normal line and everything would be ok because Rosberg would let him through. But Rosberg did not because if Hamilton had not cut across the front of Rosberg, the latter may have succeeded with his overtaking attempt by then having the inside line into the left-hander and Hamilton may have been forced to slow or be forced wide, off the track. Hamilton knew this so he kept to his racing line. When two racers go at it, especially from the same team, the rule should be that they not hit each other and, as such, with each doing his part to comply with that rule, Hamilton wouldn't have crossed because he didn't have the room to do so (not arguable - when he did cross, he made contact with Rosberg). Should Rosberg have attempted this move so early in the race? No, because it was risky, no matter who should have done what in getting through the chicane. But this Hamilton nonsense of "he was less than half a car length beside me so he should've backed off" is nonsense - what next? Have the drivers go out with measuring tapes so they can get accurate readings of who is exactly where in a corner at over 100 mph? I knew something was coming when I read Hamilton's ridiculous statement about how it was better for him to have been 2nd on the grid instead of on pole...and don't say he was right because he got away first - Rosberg got away slowly. I remember many of these things happening in 2007 during Hamilton's inaugural season as he ruined Alonso's chances of securing a third, successive world championship. In Hungary alone, with Hamilton not following team orders before the race even took place, Alonso retaliated by delaying Hamilton in the pits and, as a result, Alonson was docked five places on the starting grid...and Alonso lost the championship by one point at the end of the season - a point he could've easily earned, and more, at that race in Hungary. Hamilton then seemed young, brash and foolish. Today, he's no longer young but he still brach and foolish sometimes. And now, he's added a tendency now to come out with untrue statements like "it's better for me to be 2nd on the grid and not on pole" and "Rosberg admitted he hit me on purpose." Hamilton also has to learn that teams are not spending millions so he can win a world championship - they're spending that money so that he'll drive in the best interests of the team.

5

I agree 100% with you and what seems to be all of the ex-F1 drivers, including Nicky Lauda, that Nico was responsible for the collision. Nico has shown his true colours: 1) he wanted to make the point that, as he can't pass Lewis fairly on the track, when he next gets close enough to 'have a go' he would not avoid contact even if Lewis has the corner, is ahead and on the racing line; 2) he is prepared to do anything to win the 2014 WDC, including cheating in Monaco Q3; cutting the corner to stay ahead of Lewis in Montreal and now Spa; 3) we can't believe anything he says as he lies to the media and F1 fans all over the world before telling the truth behind the team's closed doors; and 4) he unecessarily insults the British F1 fans - who happen to come from the team's home country and one of the best markets for new Mercs in the world. Not something Daimler's top management and PR would have appreciated and they also can't be too happy given that they don't spend a fortune on F1 to have a driver deliberately not avoiding hitting his team-mate's car. They also won't want the Mercedes brand to be tarnished by allegations that they hire drivers who behave as Nico has done this year without meting out suitable punishment. The only way that Mercedes F1 can salvage this year in terms of honourably securing the WCC and WDC is by forcing Nico to watch the next race at Monza from his humble abode in Monaco and telling both drivers that if there are any further crashes, the responsible party will be punished in exactly the same way. Failure to do that will also generate a lot of questions about the competence of Mercedes' F1 management and, by association, those back at HQ in Germany.

6

Rosberg was making a point to Wolff and Lowe, that if Hamilton does not have to follow team orders (Hungary) then neither does he. Wolff said not to takes each other out, so he did just the opposite, THIS was his point. In effect it's a low level blackmail, the team must get Hamilton out his way or everyone will lose. I think he would rather see Red Bull win again than lose to Hamilton. Mercedes has a big problem, bigger than it looks, this is not over.

7

Rosberg after Hungary:

"... Lewis didn't let me by, although he was ordered to do so, so that's obviously not good and we need to discuss that internally.

The thing I am most annoyed about though is the last lap though because I had a little opportunity and just so close, but didn't manage to use it you know, just like 30cm missing or something.

What [Hamilton] did was ok, the way he defended, because the guy on the inside, it's his corner, so the guy on the outside needs to you know, make it far enough in front so that the other guy can't push him out and I didn't manage to do that so that's what annoys me most.

But ok, still in front in the championship, a long summer break now so I get to think about it a little bit, I look forward to that - although not now at the moment I'm still annoyed actually, but er tomorrow I look forward to it and then onwards and upwards for Spa."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwAPMtBxXog

I think it's telling that he says one thing on camera and then completely the opposite behind closed doors. He allegedly blamed Hamilton for not leaving enough space (according to Hamilton and confirmed by Lauda), yet referring to the Hungary attempt in the video above, he admits Hamilton was not required to leave space as he was not sufficiently along side to claim position.

Hamiltons defending was perfectly within the accepted bounds as set out by the any racing code of conduct, ALL drivers have done it and ALL will continue to do it - including Rosberg as seen against Schumacher in the video above.

The difference however is clear, 4 times world champion Vettel bailed out during the same manoeuvre on the previous lap, 7 times world champion Schumacher bailed out to avoid a collision as Rosberg closed the door on him in 2010 - as did the following world champions in 2012.

Rosberg vs Hamilton Bahrain 2012:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC05YfPIBVc

Rosberg vs Alonso Bahrain 2012:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWhombBltrI

If you CAN avoid a collision then you must try to avoid it, simple as that. Anything else demented.

Rosbergs (growing) frustration is born out of his apparent inability to gain the upper hand against Hamilton in a straight fight and he hates that fact with a passion. So much so he his willing to do take increasingly unsporting, almost rash decisions whilst at the wheel and that's a dangerous combination in anyones book.

8

To cite the example of Vettel bailing out on lap 1 is an inaccurate comparison. Vettel had to take to the runoff area because he outbraked himself and couldn't actually turn in to make the corner.

Nico had made ground on Lewis, braked sufficiently, took the corner and earned his piece of track. He had every right to be where he was even if the actual pass couldn't be completed at that point in time.

9

Completely agree... We can all accept that Lewis is mentally less robust than Nico... But at this time I hope he takes comfort that he's also just fundamentally quicker than Nico. Even Nico's most ardent supporters (who mainly like him out of dislike for Lewis if seems) will not deny this. I really hope Lewis keeps it together and looks at the next 5 seasons because cream will always rise to the top.

10

Very well said, Bernard; backed up with very good evidence. That's my reading of the situation exactly.

Rosberg was showing his frustration at losing his lead at the start. It was a hot-headed moment which belies the great intelligence he's said to possess. Let's hope his dad has a quiet word with him. If Mercedes or the FIA don't penalise him in some meaningful way it will be a bad day for the sport. Rosberg and all other drivers in his position need to know that this is not an acceptable tactic in order to win a championship.

11

+1.

Nico must cool down. Seems to me he panicks every time he finds Lewis in front of him and it's getting worse.

12

Um, not a good example Bernard. Rosberg clearly had the line then and was RIGHT up along side Schumi... Rosberg had the inside line.

13

If this is racing then I expect some contact on occasion particularly as the margins between avoiding a minor touch or not at those speeds come down to milliseconds, as well as the limited view of the cars extremes from the drivers perspective. I think we wouldn't be debating any of this minor contact had not Hamiltons tyre punctured. This to me is where the fault lies we need to bring in new front wing edges that do not cut into the tyre sidewalls. I'm sure we have the ability to do so its F1 after all, money no object, this would then allow some occasional contact without penalising either driver or vilifying them for racing as in this case. Recent years have seen so many minor touches result in unnecessary punctures ruining the outcome of the race. Also perhaps to move to one driver teams ( with a background/back-up test driver ) would perhaps put an end to the conflict of interests between two ego inflated drivers. It would be genuinely one against one and perhaps reduce costs as well as open up the field to alternative teams. I think unless you have a mature driver mid career+ mentoring an understudy and working harmoniously ( i.e. respecting their place 1st driver or 2nd as designated ) then playground spats will continue due to their blinkered egotism. Me sir, me sir I'm the best...... F1 seems to be becoming more X-Factor than the respected motorsport it was.

14

On Sky, Martin talked to Pirelli about the tyre punctures - essentially hitting the small hashed area just on the hot running upper part of the sidewall has a puncture possibility of something like 90%, whereas any other part of the tyre would be less than 10% - given those odds it's pretty hard to aim at the tyre and hit a very small cross section on purpose - especially when there's 100% chance you'll lose some or all of your front wing - as a crash strategy - the odds are not in your favour.

If Rosberg had wanted to crash he could have careered straight into Lewis side pod and guaranteed to put his rival out and done equivalent damage to himself.

I do think its a rather stupid attitude to 'make a point' that he won't move for his teammate but it's likely to have been a spur of the moment fit of bravado rather than a calculated 'attack' - if Rosberg really is that calculating he could have looked at the odds of losing his front wing versus the odds of bursting a tyre and found it was a bad bet.

15

Someone should tell Hamilton to shut up. Every time he goes out to the press to cry about Rosberg it makes him look more and more like the prima Donna he turned out to be. His management company should tell him to keep quiet. I can understand Nico point. Every time they have gone wheel to wheel Hamilton has run him out of the track while Rosberg is overtaking on the outside. Remember Bahrain, Hungary and now spa. This time he said no more and didn't move out of the way. Well done Rosberg

16

Lewis and Nico drive for the same team, the team will not instigate an investigation into one of their own drivers, how else is Lewis going to get the attention of the authorities.

17

If Nico didn't back out of Lewis's move into T1 at Bahrain, would that also have been Nico's fault and not Hamilton's for putting the car across him like that? Since Bahrain 2012, the stewards have always put the blame on the lead driver, whether that's on a corner or straight, as we saw in Monza 2012 or even this year at Germany where they said Massa was to blame.

18

Nico has done something way dirtier to Alonso in that same Bahrain track. I can't recall if it was 2012 or 2013.

19

It's only the fault of the lead driver if the overtaking driver has at least half a length alongside. A following driver can't expect to be given room if he only sticks his front wheels and wing into the gap. Apart from anything else the lead driver can't see an overtaking car until it draws at least half a car length alongside.

20

But Massa was to blame?

21

I have been an F1 fan for years. This is the first time in those 30 years that I feel I need to do something. How can I (we) complain to the FIA about what happened at SPA yesterday?

Do we, the fans, followers or whatever you want to call us have any real voice?

I would like to complain to the FIA for not having a steward's enquiry over the clash between Rosberg and Hamilton and Petition them to have one now?

How can I do this? ( and/or any anyone else who may wish to see justice on the race track)..no obvious path I can see...

22

Totally agree in light of what Ros apparently said privately.

I think he was angry at been overtaken at the start, he was also festering over Hamilton's refusal to let him pass in the previous race

I am a Hamilton fan, but wish I could shake him in losing the head war with Ros.

I think he should shut up about class, stop slagging Ros in the press and just be cold in the races and qualification, as he is just a better driver than Ros.

I think the point everyone seem to miss, is, it was a no brainer for Ros to just aim his car at this corner, knowing Hamilton would never back down. But would prove a nice point as well as if they both go out, he will be better off in the championship, another race ticked off, less points for Hamilton.

So for me a logical sequence of events, if not now, it would have happened soon. The minute hamilton overtook Ros at the start, I knew Ros would get his own back

In light of this, Ros should be disqualified, also fined and banned.

He is a thoroughly nasty piece of work and for me also confirmed a previous incident in qualification was also done on purpose

You cannot have a driver intentionally drive into another driver, he could have killed Hamilton.

Hamilton also darkly made an oblique comment a while ago about him doing the same in the race, but this was just bluster, but also should have been dealt with and a warning issued

So for me Get cold Hamilton and keep yer gob shut or get an agent

23

Hard to believe that you have been watching F1 for all these years and this is the first time you have had a complaint. I usually have multiple complaints after almost every race. True that most of them are with the FIA but I have often been disappointed with the lack of sportsmanship in a sport that is often referred to as the sport of gentlemen.

I don't think Lewis is perfect in any way but in this particular instance I am of the opinion Nico was furious that Lewis beat him cleanly off the line and was not thinking when he attempted the pass. Whether he did it. Intentionally to wreck Lewis is debatable in some circles.

The problem as I see it is that because of his poor sportsmanship, should he go on to win the championship he will have to live with the knowledge that his behaviour unfairly hampered Lewis's championship hopes.

If we continue to watch F1 we can only expect more of the same. There is hope however. Bernie Ecclestone is 83 how long can he keep his grip on a sport he has been controlling, and badly for decades.

Cheers from a long time delusions follower of F1.

24

Free on line poll, post it here and tweet the fia?

25

Oh Come ON!

it is clear from the incident that it was a genuine, if bad, overtaking manoeuvre. Most of the time the result of that move is that the attacker loses part of the wing (or the entire wing) and is pretty heavily penalised in terms of lap time, whilst the defender stays in front and gains an advantage.

It is practically impossible to plan an attack where you are guaranteed to break a little bit of your wing and puncture the other car's tyre. Impossible to do. Therefore impossible to plan.

How can anyone be silly enough to even think that.

26

@Don

As I sai, it was a bad overtaking. I did not say Rosberg did it well (if he had done so, he would have been P1 after). However the collision is not the sort of collision that indicates a deliberate crash. look at other incidents of the past: Senna-Prost, Schumaker when he won his first WC, Schumaker against Villeneuve. In all those you see the guy deliberately crash into the SIDE of the opponent, to make SURE he takes him out.

Rosberg did no such thing. He executed a badly timed and rushed manoeuvre which did not work out and was trying to get back in line, with the result that he broke his wing. Again, please look at the statistics, when this collision happens 90% of the time the attacker loses part of the wing and is penalised.

So was it silly to do? yes Rushed and unnecessary on lap 2? yes Deliberate cheating (like Senna, Prost, Schumaker, the "greats" of F1 History…) NO!

27

@alex: you seem to be ignoring something Toto said, and I quote "he (Rosberg) deliberately chose not to back out to prove a point". whether somebody will lose their nose or bottom, Rosberg simply chose not to back out. And I hear you say 'why has he got to back out'? He had to back out because when they reached the corner, Rosberg wasn't anywhere near with one third of his car alongside Lewis; Lewis had the racing line. And since he had the racing line and with way more than two thirds of his car in front, he was (rightly) committed to the corner. So the key issue here is since he (Rosberg) was the one behind and NOT on the racing line, he was the one with the option; keep going and cause a collision or back out of a move that was never ever on (as other drivers have done in the same corner) and we know the option he took! so mate, go figure why he made that choice...(my view; at best, it was very clumsy and totally unnecessary on lap 2 of a very long race and at worst very foolish and stupid to do something like that with the potential to take both cars out!)

28

That video is brilliant, I'd love to see Rosberg be sat down to watch this and the first corner at Canada this year.

I wonder if he would still think he has the right to 'make a point'?

29

Both drivers have been very aggressive with each other all year. HAM on RPS in b Bahrain was on the limit with his defense, whereas ROS's blatant chop on HAM in Montreal wasn't only dangerous, but also gifted 2nd place to Vettel for the opening laps of the race.

In my opinion, the incident at Les Combes yesterday was nothing more than a clumsy (and silly) attempt at intimidating HAM into leaving space for the switch-back. I doubt ROS actually wanted to touch...then again, he did park it during Quali at Mirabeau this year;).

30

Well said, Andrew.

I am amazed by the double standards being applied by ROS and also by some of his supporters commenting here.

31

To me it is one of the things that annoys me about F1- this belief that it is ok to block/weave/impede/force off the track a driver. We saw it again with Mag this weekend. Nico did block Lewis out in Canada- and Lewis blocked Nico out in Hungary and Bahrain (quite a few times). This sort of activity needs to be handled better.

Nico still has a point to make- but he made a clumsy move. Lewis also made a clumsy move as he knew Nico was beside him. The driver in front has right to choose his line. Both drivers have a right to race within the limits of the race track. To me the second right trumps the first.

32

@Don - Spot on recall and assessment. This issue is black and white, and the people on here turning themselves inside out to twist the facts are just crazy, no other word for it.

33

@Andrew:

Thank you Andrew. It is astonishing some of the comments here. Both were going for turn 1 in Canada and Lewis realized he wouldn't make it and took evasive action and lost p2 in the process! At the same race in 2010, MS had to take evasive action b'cos Rosberg was there on the inside. In the same corner, Vettel couldn't make and backed out on lap 1, given Rosberg the chance to retake p2.

Rosberg was no where near being alongside Lewis and as with the other drivers, he could have chosen to back out of it and try again on the next lap with DRS plus the fact he said he was faster. So someone tell me this; if you have a chance to avoid something but you choose not to, what's that called?

35

I'm with you on that.

"Some pundits have described it as “clumsy” driving by Rosberg and it certainly looked to this observer like he insisted too much in a position where he was unlikely to succeed." - +1 from me. I definitely think it was avoidable, stupid and unnecessary. That being said, I certainly lost some respect to Rosberg.

36

From the onboard in Nicos car it shows clearly he turned into Lewis on purpose. How many people turn right to go around a left hander. The FIA need to sort this out quickly. What is it with cheating and German drivers?

37

I'm not supporting a Merc driver in particular, but:

If HAM would have given ROS space, and it would have been wheel to wheel through the chicane, then everyone would have screamed "That's F1 racing - wheel to wheel" (most likely Ham would have taken first position again, since next turn is a right hander)

If ROS would have gone straight in the chicane (maybe overtaking HAM "illegaly" and let the position back), then it would have been "Nice try Ros"

Now, ROS was optimistic, HAM defended his line. I think ROS was a bit too optimistic, but after all, its just a "racing incident"

38

100% not a racing incident.

He was fed up of Ham closing the door on him at previous races, hungary and Bahrain. Hamilton is entitled to do this (any driver is) if they are ahead in the corner. Thats the rules. Because he is a spoilt brat from Monaco he had a moment of rage inside his helmet and CLEARLY TURNS BACK INTO HAMS TYRE when he knew there would be contact, with no regard for Hams tyre. It is very obvious from the onboard cameras.

39

For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion'.

40

100% racing incident.

41

Neil:

Didn't I just say that ROS were too optimistic?

If you look at this, sec 0.11 you'll see that ROS front wheel is at his side-pod. If HAM wouldnt have ever seen the front wheel of ROS, then I don't know what to say.

If you bleieve the worst (as you say) than it's not much I can do to persuade you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9hXvw9yMw8

42

Best summary so far... We need to keep in mind that Nico 'just' tagged Lewis' tyre... with his wing that he can't see. Another couple of centimetres and we'd all be saying "what great wheel to wheel racing".

43

You don't understand the rules of F1. That was a rookies mistake at best and pre-meditated at worst (what I believe) because if you don't have any sizeable part of your car alongside then you have to come out of the move - Hamilton wouldn't have even seen Rosberg and did not have to give him any space. However, if say Rosberg's front wheel was alongside Hamilton's air intake then Hamilton would have had to give him some space for the pass to be completed - as per drivers code of conduct. Hope this is now clear to you.

44

If Rosberg would've been alongside Lewis I would agree with you, but he wasn't. His wing parely clipped Lewis's rear tyre, so Rosberg had no chance at that corner. So why would Lewis give Rosberg room when he isn't even alongside him, or half car alongside him.

45

To be honest, I pretty much don't care whether it was deliberate or not. The point of the matter is this has given Nico a huge title boost, there will almost certainly be no repercussions (apart from a large media circus) and he will go on to win the title. Whether it was deliberate or not, Lewis has been robbed by something through no fault of his own yet again.

46

Andrew M (the confused one) unfortunately I have the opposite problem......

47

Tim W, hi I have been boring people on here for years as TimW, could you come up with another screen name please to avoid confusion, Thanks.

BTW, a slower lap back to the pits would have guaranteed no points for Lewis as he would have been a lap down, and parking the car when it became apparent that no points were possible was the sensible thing to do as they only have 6 engines for the season, and lewis lost one in the Hockenheim qualifying fire. Enjoy Monza!

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You make your own luck often enough. Two cars collide when both are in the same place, and that is controlled by two steering wheels, one in each car.

There is no pre-booking of "racing-lines" defined in F1, so just share sensibly, children.

Anyone who needs to see this just needs to look at the first lap of any race where the cars travel two abreast.

NOBODY follows a racing line. Except Maldonado, obviously.

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No, Lewis's own errors in qualifying at Austria, Canada, Silverstone and Spa are an equal part of his problems this year. I am a fan of his, but when it matters most he makes mistakes under pressure borne out of trying too hard. He needs to take a more mature approach to competition and give more respect to Rosberg who has shown he is as fast as Lewis in the same car. Hamilton needs to change his approach for this very tight battle to one where he forces the errors from Rosberg as a result of sustained pressure. instead, every weekend he resorts to merely trying to blow Rosberg away on pure speed and the result of that pressure on him in qualifying produces his error. It was his error going wide at Eau Rouge that put him on the back foot going into that corner when the incident happened.

Rosberg's tougher mental approach to this battle is prevailing over the boy who thinks he has God's gift.

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HAM has always caused turmoil both on the track and his teams McLaren and now Merc - send him packing with Lauda and Toto.

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Rodrigo Luiz Martins

Stop crying! Double points in the final race! Even Ricciardo has a chance. So STOP CRYING

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To Ali Kaiser, Senna was not punished and he should have been disqualified and banned after Suzuka 90. Prost should be a 5 times WDC.

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No fault of his own ? Not quite. A real pro like Alonso or Button would have found a way of giving Nico enough room not to crash with him instead of pretending he wasn't there. Sometimes you have to be smart, and Lewis is not sufficiently sure of himself to know when not to insist. Strange in a man with his talent, but there it is.

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While the floor indeed may have been severely damaged limiting downforce the cause we can agree was the puncture but also Lewis's brain fart in trying to set a lap record coming back to the pits which contributed massively to the final outcome. Also I found it unfortunate that Lewis was then almost immediately on the radio asking to be pulled, you would think with the number of sensors and data engineers Andy would be able to inform Lewis the car was still drivable ...oh yea he did...Lewis please don't give up, you did not in the last couple races and even if this time you knew there was no podium giving up was not what your fans wanted to see....I'm sure your side of the garage and team bosses were also unimpressed.

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C'mon... Poor poor Lewis. Lewis being robbed once again... You can't be serious. Lewis has to deliver and do what he is paid for. He's got a huge salary and Mercedes thought he would blow Nico off the track. but he doesn't deliver and he's cracking under the pressure from Nico. If he's so bloody good just drive instead. He was so good the first five races, then his head is his largest enemy - not Nico. He was so sure he was going to be champion again and blew Nico off and now he's frustrated that he has to fight for it. I agree that Nico was clumsy but Lewis could avoided the situation if he wanted, but he did as he had done before this season against Nico - chop him off. This time he didn't got away with it. Lewis is probably the fastest out there, but there is so much more to it and Lewis can't handle that.

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There's also someone else posting in this thread as "Andrew M", which is odd because I agree with virtually everything they say. It's very confusing 🙂

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Great Point!!

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Drivers 'prove a point' all the time with their competitors. Nothing new. That doesn't make it a crime or conspiracy as Lewis Hamilton would have us believe in his public pronouncements.

A couple questions;

Do Mercerces really want to sign a contract extension with a driver (Hamilton) so inclined to malign his team and teammate from one weekend to the next?

Did Wolff and Lauda really think they could 'manage' the aspirations of 2 top drivers by allowing one after the other to take turns pushing the limits of rules within the team?

If things at Merc really are as diabolical as Lewis Hamilton infers why would he stay?

With much talk this year of the public losing interest in Formula One is this all a sorry ploy to increase viewers?

Note: I always thought Nigel Mansell was the ultimate 'Drama Queen' when it came to F-1 drivers. Move over Nige.

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"Did Wolff and Lauda really think they could ‘manage’ the aspirations of 2 top drivers by allowing one after the other to take turns pushing the limits of rules within the team?"

They were taken by surprise. They signed a superstar driver and had a good support driver.They didn't expect Rosberg to be so competitive. They thought Schumi was aging, hence he managed to beat him.

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@GUDIEN you are wondering the same thing as me. Check out my other post if you have the time.

@Nimrod424 you are also bang on. You are anything but a nimrod 🙂

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+1 perfect

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Until the FIA acknowledge that there is an obligation to provide "racing room" amoung competitors and remove their support for drivers attempting to run others into walls on straights or off the road in corners, there will be these types of controversies. Nimrod424's observation just above and Michael Powell's earlier observation:

"Lewis was at fault for not giving room. He has sharply cut across Nico several times this season to force him wide or to slow. Nico has taken evasive action every time and Lewis has got away with it. This time he didn’t . . ." reflect the current climate supported by the existing rules.

Further, when a "fan view" from supporters of one driver compared with another come into the picture, it introduces an emotional component of the individual conclusions. One who supports will say that it is evidence of "necessary ruthlessness" or the "killer instinct" of someone who is or is deserving of a championship while another will say that one or the other is a "dirty" driver - an observation not a criticism in any way.

FWIW, there is an alternative perspective which may be helpful for viewing veiled forms of 'blocking' under the guise of 'defending' one's position (Hungary and Bahrain ? as well as many others not involving these particular drivers) which might prove positive for the FIA to consider:

"Drivers are responsible to avoid physical contact between cars . . . Each competitor has a right to racing room, which is generally defined as the right to racing room which is defined as sufficient space on the marked racing surface that under racing conditions, a driver can maintain control of his car in close quarters. . ." (while) "The overtaking driver is responsible for the decision to pass another car and to accomplish it safely. . .The overtaken driver is responsible to be aware that he is being passed and not impede or block the overtaking car."

Otherwise, in a close racing situation, both drivers involved should know they share the "risk" for the outcome of any particular situation and/or the resulting incident. The alternative is the current ". . .boys have at it. . ." situation wherein emotions color the analysis.

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@Nimrod424

How can you accuse Hamilton of "insinuations that it is only his car that breaks down"? How can it be an 'insinuation' when it's an unequivocal fact that ROS's car has only broken down once this year to HAM's three?

If you're insinuating HAM is accusing Mercedes of sabotaging his car then you're wrong: HAM is only referring to his bad luck.

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Everybody seems to forget what happened at the start of the Canadian GP, where Nico has thrown Ham away the same way everybody does when they are entitled the racing line.

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Senna was always punished for causing a crash . and it would be fair if Nico's result was disqualified from SPA. Magnussen didnt cause a chrash and he got penalized so Nico should be punished also

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I agree. This has been simmering for a while now. I think Nico was annoyed at certain actions Lewis has been taking on track such as Bahrain and Hungary, along with the comments about his nationality and the insinuations that it is only his car that breaks down, the hints that Nico cheated in Monaco and the "We're friends .. No we're not friends" see saw that Lewis swings on. In Canada they were both being interviewed and Lewis playfully stuck his left arm on Nico's right shoulder. The look he gave Lewis would have ignited paper. So I think Nico was out to prove a point and it ended in an over optimistic move and a clumsy collision. Nico was wrong yesterday through poor driving, but a cheat ??, no.

Lewis is a great driver but there seems to be a gap in his headwork. He has more than a touch of Mansell about him in that if he doesn't win its someone else's fault and the whole world is against him. Tweeting team data a prime example. As a Brit I would love to see him win the title but I don't think he will. I find the use of the word "basically" in his quote interesting. He doesn't outright say Nico hit him on purpose, he covers himself by saying he "basically" said that. Lewis often likes to portray himself as a full out balls on attacker, well Nico is entitled to do the same. Yes, he screwed up yesterday but the writing is on the wall. Only the Merc bosses can stop it, though you cannot help but feel that Ross Brawn would have managed it better.

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I'll second that Mansell comment..."lion-hearted" my ass.

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100% correct.

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Darima, I'm in total agreement with Bernard, if you look above.... And no, based on this, I don't believe Monaco was an error either, or his Bahrain antics of previous years. His despicable driving (he can't go wheel-to-wheel with anyone on a skills basis) has slipped under the radar compared to a Pastor M, for example.

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Are you for real? Nico didn't have the move to try, it was clearly lewis 's corner, what Nico did was beyond foolish, potentially life threatening in my book, thus proving monico was no mistake, another no holds bared German, using his old team mates tactics

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In Rosbergs mind he was pushed off the road by aggressive defending by Hamilton in Hungary and Bahrain... Today he decided "nah mate, I'm here, not moving, deal with it"

It was a clumsy move nothing more. 9 from 10 it would not have caused a puncture and Hamilton would be the bad guy.

As a non-partisan fan I love it. The tension between the two is the only thing keeping the title hunt interesting. That Mercedes should be re-writing all the record books, but its not!

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Yes, it was great entertainment, far better than the last four years of tedium that the Austrian fizzy-drink managed.

All this is like the Senna-Prost days. We can remember the glow, but I'm not able to recall who one.

In the end does anyone care, except the drivers and their dads, as long as it amuses for a few hours on Sunday. Actually, I fall asleep between laps 20 and 40 most races so it's still not as good as a decent opera.

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@Ryan: You could not be more off the "point" if you tried.

Rosberg was making a "point" to Lowe and Wolff, because he was furious that they had failed to make Hamilton follow team orders in Hungary. What did Wolff say had upset him? A lap 2 collision, racing too hard too soon and costing the team a 1-2, something that had been expressly forbidden. So Rosberg went out and expressly disobeyed, just like in his view, Hamilton had disobeyed in Hungary and not let him(ROS) through when the team told him(HAM) to. Rosberg's "point" was to Lowe and Wolff: "If Hamilton does not have to listen then neither do I. Look, a crash on lap 2. What you going to do about it now? Unless you want more of the same make Hamilton low the line!"

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those who are intelligent enough to earn enough money to pay their way to watch the race at spa weren't happy with what they saw and booed. like it or not those are the people who matter most. they are neither childish nor stupid. rosberg asked them to read the rules before booing. shame he couldn't elaborate on that.

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I'm sure that's what he was thinking. But Lewis was on the racing line and clearly ahead of Rosberg. By Rosberg's own admission if he kept his (Rosberg) line there would be a collision. He knew it. It was avoidable. That why Wolfe and Lauda publicly dressed him down.

For sure he wanted to teach his teammate a lesson and not take him out of the race. Wrong move, wrong time. Stupid move.

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Sensible take on the situation and I agree

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unF1nnished business

100% agree.

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Didn't you see the video posted by Bernard at the top of this thread? It was Rosberg at the same corner in a previous year "aggressively defending" (your words) 'his' corner against Schumacher. 'Aggressively defending' is par for the course today. Look how many times Magnussen did it in yesterday's race and was applauded for it.

A lot of people seem to have selective memories and/or apply double standards depending on which driver they support.

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Absolutely spot on. I have normally been non-partisan as well but seem to be feeling on the side of Nico this year. Lewis has been quite agressive in forcing Nico off the track quite a few times in the past- I am sure behind closed doors that Nico warned Lewis he wasn't going to let him do that again. It is clear that Lewis tried to make Nico back off and he didn't this time.

Nico was a little silly for trying such a thing on lap 2, but that's a racer- always looking for the opportunity.

Lewis was silly for not leaving space- they were alongside in the corner and he wasn't past Nico. He left nowhere for Nico to go and there is no way Nico could have intentionally took out his tire- that is just nonsense.

When 2 drivers are silly it would seem this is a racing incident.

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9 from 10 eh? That's why out of the 3 similar incidents that race 2 ended up as punctures! That's 66.6* % for that race alone not 10% - Do you know what you are talking about?

The sidewall is the weakest part - Rosberg knew what he was doing just like he did in Monaco - [mod] I have no respect.

What's more concerning is that the stewards didn't pass on a penalty to Rosberg - very curious that when it was so blatantly his fault. The FIA no longer has any teeth.

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Totally agree with your point about Lewis' defending - another thing to add is that since Nico is ahead in the standings, if they crash, it will more than likely be more detrimental to Lewis. So now Lewis will think twice before defending so aggressively, since he now cannot afford to crash even if it takes them both out. In no way am I defending Rosberg, I think Merc should suspend him for one race (if that's possible), but if they don't sanction him appropriately, it was definitely worth the gamble for him.

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Pretty well on the mark.

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Matthew Cheshire

Only pre-meditated for a fraction of a second - unless his race plan was to pass Hamilton at all costs.

Hard to believe Nico would plan this given that it makes his Monaco excuse look like a total fabrication.

Was he proving a point to Hamilton or the team? Given the quick reaction from Lauda and Wolff, was Nico failing to "feel the love" before the race?

He hasn't proven anything to Hamilton, just reinforced his belief that Nico will ignore the rules and safety if it suits his campaign.

So was it a sharp message to Lauda and Wolff?

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Life is like a game of chess. Those who can only think 1 move ahead are always reacting to scenarios unfolding.

I will not fully understand Mercedes' thinking or priorities until I see the transcript to the Saturday morning meeting (which is never)

But Rosberg has made his mind up. It is totally zugzwang time.

Damage done, due to naive management is now beyond repair. People should brace for hard landing. Rosberg is reading this ahead of everyone else at the team.

Simply put, in poker terms, he is ''all in ''. Nico is aware a chance like this will likely not come again. He wins the championship his way, the team would be forced to love, support and praise him, despite their inner feelings. Doesn't matter how tainted it may seem to the public, Mercedes have no choice but to parade nico.

Nico made his mind up, knowing that becoming a 'webber' at Merc is nothing to value.

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@Matthew Cheshire

You are right that Nico went into the race unhappy and the race events are better viewed through that prism.

The race weekend was not one of the usual ones, on Saturday, the team had held a meeting which was of such gravity that a Daimler board member attended. Lewis seemed quite satisfied with the outcome, but Nico quite the opposite.

The presence of a Daimler board member points to growing alarm within the Worldwide Mercedes corporation at the adverse publicity they were beginning to get in a year that should be about thumping their chests over their engineering prowess at motorsports technological pinnacle, F1.

Also, the unprecedented fact that the Daimler board member (alongside 3 of the Merc teams most senior staff) was on hand in the garage to welcome Lewis's retiring car, gives credence to the significance of Saturdays meeting. Things would have been said with a finality that gave Rosberg goose bumps and a seething rage, it has since come out that he expressed deep anger toward the team (source is Lewis), particularly at Paddy Lowe and Toto Wolfe.

To make matters worse, Lewis easily beat him into the first corner. He might have beaten himself over it and in a haze of red mists, decided to "make a point," or with Saturdays meeting in mind, he might have imagined that the team had somehow conspired to cause his slow getaway off the line and again, decided to "make a point" about it.

The likely conclusions that can be drawn is that the crash was a result of deep seated anger, maybe even a dangerous rage, or a sense of being cheated (or entitlement).

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[mod] I havent always stood up for Hamilton but I did yesterday, it was clear to me there was some malice in what unfolded yesterday. Rosberg is one bitter person whonfor me over the course of this season has gone from a competent, useful driver to an absolute cheat who has no respect for the rules or sportsmanship for that matter. The guy needs some severe punishment, for me I think only a ban of some sort is suitable. If he won the title now nobody would respect it, best thing for all involved is if he sits out a couple of races and has a straight and fair fight with hamilton for the rest of the season.

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Michael Powell : How you could possibly write this after all that we know about this incident beggars belief.

Anyone who follows F1 could see that the overtake was never going to succeed and Hamilton was driving flat out on the racing line so could not have changed course.

It was clearly Rosberg's duty to give way to avoid a collision. I don't believe it was his intention at the time to cause a crash but when he looked at it on TV he must have recognised there was only ever going to be one outcome.

This was stupidity brought about by frustration at his failure to go into the lead but the consequences for his championship rival were extreme.

|n my view he should be given a one race ban which would at least restore fairness. Perhaps this is the kind of consequences Wolff has in mind if the FIA fail to reopen the case and take some action.

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@Michael Powell

It is clear u are a fan of Rosberg as clearly Hamilton had the right the the racing line since Nico was at no point fully alongside him or ahead, he does not need to leave space and didn't, its Nico's job as the guy behind to avoid an accident since hes trying to complete the pass not Lewis which he didn't do, in fact he felt the need to turn in a second time to make sure he hit hamilton rather than escaping to the run-off area like Vettel on lap 1, Vettel was even further alongside Hamilton at that point but still backed out. In my opinion Vettel is now clearly the better racer than Rosberg considering he can actually make a pass without crashing. Hamilton is the better racing driver and theres nothing Nico can do about it

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"Nico was carved up yet again."

Really? You are aware that 2 of his teams management are on record blaming him for the collision? And you have seen the TV pictures of Rosberg turning in to Hamilton before the collision?

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Lewis was at fault for not giving room. He has sharply cut across Nico several times this season to force him wide or to slow. Nico has taken evasive action every time and Lewis has got away with it. This time he didn't. Hard luck, but it's cheap to complain.

It's seeming that Lewis believes he has a Devine right to win. His earthly skills need to improve vastly first.

Speaking in a non-native language Nico is likely to have given the wrong impression to a heated Lewis. He would clearly have deliberately gone in hard, but he would not have said he was deliberate in causing the damage. But here we have words in a meeting, what does that matter when we have the video evidence?

Nico was carved up yet again. This is what hot-hatch drivers do on the North Circular. What next? Brake testing? Lewis should be banned for Monza over this, and thrown out completely if he does it again. Who needs hot-heads in F1?

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Precisely, especially when Lewis could not have known Nico wasn't backing down.

I've lost quite a bit of respect for Nico because of this incident, especially when taken with the Monaco fiasco

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+100 for Bodredds and JK's comments. Absolutely on the mark in all respects! As long as the FIA remain accepting of the behaviors, then we have what we have. Posturing and blaming will continue.

Anyone wonder about the "logic" of the post-race press pit "comment" from one of the drivers involved that if he had not been hit the team could have had a 1 - 2 finish? Why is that the important issue at this event when that logic seemingly didn't apply to his performance in Hungary?

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@bobdredds

Well put. Extremely well explained. 100% on the mark.

I don't pretend to be wiser than anyone else, but honestly nothing about the weekend came to me as a surprise, except for one factor.

I already know what a portion (not all) of Lewis fans are like, especially on English language sites. It is neither productive or constructive to argue with them. They will rally and support their star with different sets of values and priorities. I will not disrespect them by going into a discussion with them.

Mercedes better hire someone with an ounce of intelligence when it comes to driver management. HOW NAIVE are they? REALLY? They are acting like young /first-time parents!

Toto... Your comment hurt the team more. Don't put petrol on fire already out of control. If I get the opportunity ever, please explain to us what your objective and intention was.

Niki... I still don't know what you are doing there, but how are your points valid? If you are going to let them race, would you rather see an incident at the beginning and have the chance to rectify it, or do it with 2 laps remaining? Think before you speak. Don't let emotions control the outcome. You as a team had my utmost respect for allowing 2 talented drivers race against each other.

Many good things in life comes at a price. The way you as a team are acting now make me believe you were not aware of the risks or consequences.

Back to the point... What I was shocked about was the fans at spa. If it was Silverstone, I get it. There was a considerable bunch of them booing, and if that was an accurate representation (which I hope not) of what the important (to the sport) paying F1 fans are like, all I can say is that my days are numbered.

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Bobdredds +1

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Bobdredd - 110% agree with your comments!

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Bobdredds- perfect analysis. It is clear neither driver respects sportsmanship or each other. The next 7 races will be interesting!

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Senna was the dirtiest/most dangerous driver ontrack but this incident is not like that and there is no need to reference Senna.

Lewis has taken ontrack liberties with nico on several occasions relying on Nico to back off otherwise they would have crashed. Up to this point it has always been Nico coming off worst against Lewis and I understand why this time Nico decided not to back off. Lewis shut the door and assumed Nico would back off and this time he paid the price. He had track position but he could have easily left a couple of more centimetres to Nico. However he wanted to make sure Nico got the message and Nico in return decided that he was not going to give away this time. Those are the ingredients that made up the incident and both drivers knew exactly what they were doing. The accident was not anybodies fault and was not intentional but in the greater scheme of things it was not avoidable either. It was going to happen at some stage because of the way both approach racing. Nico has been bothered for some time by the "lack of respect" Lewis shows ontrack while Lewis always had the look of innocence claiming "I am here to race" and saying things like "Nico is not my friend". Lewis was quite happy to create this distance to allow himself space to get away with these incidents while Nico always refrenced their friendship. Nico is more inttelligent than Lewis in this respect and realises he has to make a point on track and now he has done exactly that. The childish booing just shows how immature some fans are and it leaves a sour taste in my mouth to hear it.

However one other aspect of the weekend bothers me more and that was Lewis claiming that Nico hit him on purpose. Now Lewis understands full well what Nico meant but he has decided to take the childish route and exaggerate what was said. That to me is the worst part of the whole incident because it is a lie and he had no problem in telling a lie. I hope Nico wins the battle and becomes WDC because in my book he deserves it more.

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@Vinola this is THE issue. ROS was not making a point to HAM at all, who as you say could not have known ROS was there. No ROS is making a point to Mercedes about the team orders at the last race. They way he sees it, HAM did not listen, so why should he? So what if the team lost out, he ROS is racing for himself just like HAM was in the last race.

@ James Allen you are right in saying ROS would not admit to deliberately crashing of course not, but as HAM said he clearly communicated his 'point' to the team (see above) in the inferred meaning in his words. Was this deliberate? Absolutely.

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Nico made a stupid move, but the team put the drivers in that position. At the start of the race they said they would let their drivers race, but they would have to follow the same strategy and couldnt undercut, so how is that racing? It couldve left Nico feeling that he had to attack at the start or the race was over from there (he couldnt try an alternate strategy, couldnt undercut, and lost the position at the start).

If Mercedes are going to let them race, then let them race, different strategies and all.

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Everyone praises Senna for not yielding and/or forcing his way through.

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@bobdredds

This is the best analysis of the incident i have seen so far. Thank you for that, i could not. have said it better.

In my opinion you are spot on. I just cannot understand how all these so called F1 journalists did not come to the same or similar analysis of the incident. Looks like they are just media spokesmen of the pr-guys trying to spread the most convenient message for their clients, instead of being the independent self thinking people they claim to be.

They are just too scared to say the obvious truth for losing the chance on future interviews with anyone of the players in this saga...

On the incident itself: it was going to happen sometime considering Lewis' track attitude. I think we can all remember incidents with Massa and one i clearly remember on a wet Monza (the year Vettel won in the Toro Rosso):

Lewis passing Timo Glock in the Toyota and forcing him off the track. I remember myself thinking: if i were Timo, i would never have gone into the grass, then just the inevitable crash with the title contender.

Seeing it from that perspective just makes it obvious that Lewis would sometime find another driver that has the same balls he has and is up front in the championship and not backing of because it doesn't hurt him to crash.

If Lewis just had left a meter of room extra for Nico at the start of the corner squeezing it slowly to the apex, nothing would have happened: they clipped the rear wheel with the front wing in a situation where Lewis had more speed than Nico and the situation had resolved itself.

Ever seen something similar happen to Schumacher? He always left just enough room without a millimeter more than necessary, only times it gone wrong was with his intention (Adelaide comes to mind) or with less skillful drivers...

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Only when Sena's car had a significant part along side the other car AND ALSO when it is a conner for an overtake.

what rosberg did was not right.

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aside from Prost, did he ever take anyone out?

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ALi Kaiser: Senna was very rarely punished for his on-track conflicts with other drivers - indeed, he escaped punishment for his 1990 coming-together with Alain Prost at Suzuka, possibly one of the most dangerous deliberate acts of its day. Compared with modern standards, he got away with quite a lot.

aveli: Look up Senna's F3 battles in 1983 with Martin Brundle on YouTube, if they're still available. There's quite a lot to pick from there. As Brundle himself said, Senna often put drivers in a position where they were going to have a crash and let them decide whether they wanted to crash or not.

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If either of these two is to be compared to Senna in terms of his aggressiveness on track, it is Hamilton, not Rosberg. In the two races previous to Spa Hamilton had numerous instances of contact with other cars as he forced his way through as he came from the back. Hamilton has always driven with the attitude that it is other drivers duty to get out of his way. Had Rosberg attempted this pass on Alonso there would not have been a collision.... Alonso would merely have given Rosberg room, tracked around the outside of the corner and still been ahead at the exit. Hamilton is a very fast driver but still an incomplete talent when it comes to racing fairly against other cars. Rosberg rightly let him know that his aggressive driving will not work against him.

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why don't you site one example of senna being dirty on track. senna crashed once with prost because the fia stitched him up with the pole position and prost crashed into him the previous year to win the championship, returning the favour.

apart from the above, there isn't another example of senna being dirty on track that I know of so please educate me.

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Not everyone praises Senna's behaviour on track.

I and many other true enthusiasts for the sport think that the "win at all costs" attitude displayed by Senna and on occasions by Michael Schumacher detracted from their reputation as a driver.

You would never have seen this kind of behaviour from Fangio and Moss, in my view the two greatest drivers we have ever seen behind the wheel of a racing car.

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Senna was one of the dirtiest drivers F1 has seen so please don't use him as an example.

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I don't praise Senna for his "let me through or crash" policy. It was unsporting and whenever he got away with it, it flattered his skill and gave him undeserved points. Rosberg yesterday tried something reminiscent but Hamilton had no time to react. It was clumsy and reckless. Basically Rosberg was too tight to Hamilton and didn't leave enough space.

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I was and still am an ardent Senna fan, but you need to acknowledge that the world moves on. What really annoyed me about Senna and Schumacher was that neither of them needed to do what they did on their darker days. Schumacher / Hill Australia for example.

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Mike from Medellin

Senna was skilfull. Rosberg is not a good overtaker.

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Racing incident for mine, and similar to others jostling for position late in the race.

Like HAM the driver, but not so much when he speaks.

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But Senna was always punished. and it would be fair if Nico's result was disqualified from SPA. Magnussen didnt cause a chrash and he got penalized so Nico should be punished also

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Rosberg should be banned. [Mod]If thats the way he wants to win it then so be it. You reap what you sow.

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We shouldn't forget Rosberg's. Monaco incident just a little too much of a coincident that his teammate and biggest rival suffered the consequences.

Perhaps Rosberg spent a little to much time in the company of M Schumacher.

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Alastair Purves

Utter Nonsense. Hamilton's hysteria further reduces his already low credibility to zero.As Gudien says above, a drama queen of Mansell-like proportions.

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Clearly Nico is saying all this to get under Lewis's skin, who we all know gets distracted a lot by stuff that goes on in the paddock.

Don't see how FIA can punish Nico. Saying something is not a crime, specially when it's clear that he just wants to get into Lewis's head and guess what he succeeded.

Lewis has a habit of not following team orders which irks his teammates as he breaches a pre set contract. Anyone remember who started not following orders at Hungary 2007?

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Simply desperate from Rosberg. Embarrassing.

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Embarrassing - Great word - sums up how us Brits should feel about Lewis’s lack of finesse when dealing with the press - actually every time he opens his mouth.

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[mod]. I am a Brit and his interview at Spa was both well thought out and with a great deal of finesse. Instead of making a stupid personal comment why don't you make a constructive one about the way Rosberg deliberately tried to run into him on the race track when Lewis Hamilton had the racing line.He should of backed off but we all know why he didn't don't we.

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True, lewis is not the best in dealing with the press, but fortunately he was chosen as a driver.

I am not sure good word smith's make great drivers.

I know who I would rather have in my racing team

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I'll second that Doug SA

Doug SA says:

August 25, 2014 at 10:51 am

I watch F1 for the skill and racecraft of drivers, i.e. racing entertainment. If you want eloquent skilled orators and sublime communicators then I think you better turn your attention to the politicians in the House of Commons mate.

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Same for me. Awkward to watch and hear from Lewis.

@ Tara, If this is "heart on the slave", the real Lewis Hamilton it just shows him to be a fragile and weak young man.

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Basically, Rosberg's racecraft was embarrassing, as further exemplified by his.....uuummmh, lets just call it failed attempt on Vettel, where he horribly flatspotted his front left. Thats not the sign of a master at the pinnacle of his craft???? Thats why, EMBARRASSING!!!!!

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I watch F1 for the skill and racecraft of drivers, i.e. racing entertainment. If you want eloquent skilled orators and sublime communicators then I think you better turn your attention to the politicians in the House of Commons mate.

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Exactly it's all "heart on the sleeve" stuff. Excuse me while roll my eyes and switch channels.

If there's a phrase that beats "for sure" that it.

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It's very bad, isn't it? Whenever Rosberg is interviewed, he absolutely nails it. He never gives anything away and he respects the team enough to keep his mouth shut. Maybe it's Lewis's underdog mentality but I've had enough.

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Embarrassing......I have to agree. It is staggering that an organisation such as Mercedes F1 can be so well funded, resourced and get so many things right yet be so reactionary in their management. Whilst they have done a fantastic job with the car they are clearly completely out of their comfort zone in managing two competitive personalities - they are professional sports people for crying out loud, they have massive egos that are also extremely sensitive. Whilst describing Rosberg as desperate is going too far I think embarrassing is fair. There is fairly strong competition from HAM as to who was more embarrassing on the day given his reaction to the situation. Neither driver is responding positively to the pressure and that is the biggest concern for Mercedes as neither is worthy of being world champion at this time. Thank God RIC isn't in a Mercedes or else it would be 2004 again!!!

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I notice that a survey on Auto Motor Und Sport as to whether or not the move by ROS was either stupid or a racing incident has the voting at 52% in favour of it being stupid. I think ROS is even losing the popularity stakes at home too, not just with British fans.

I notice also that ROS had developed some sort of facial tic when being interviewed in the press area after the press conference. I tend to think he is not going to have a very comfortable two weeks in the run up to Monza.

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It is embarrassing. To prove a point?!? So he's just decided that his ambitions are that much greater than the entire Mercedes team, that he was willing (or at least, not averse to) to suffer some contact, to presumably show he's not a soft touch? It boggles the mind. Seeing as this season, most front wing vs. rear tire contact has led predominantly to only broken front wings, one would have to think that he deliberatly scythed in on Hamilton at the precise moment where he knew that it would puncture his tire. You can see that Rosberg again saws the wheel, turns right, goes left (he would've been fine just correcting from that), and then throws it back right again, right when Hamilton's left rear is in line with his front wing endplate.

The thing is, he benefitted hugely from it, and is now 29 pts ahead of Lewis. So in ordinary circumstances, he would be the driver for Mercedes to back. Perhaps they still will, but I must say I was surprised by the level of booing Rosberg copped. Sure, there is likely a big British contingent attending Spa, but it's silly to believe that it was only the British F1 fans that were booing Rosberg. I would imagine that this booing is going to follow him around, even in Italy next time out. No doubt Mercedes want to feel good about their eventual drivers champion (I'm not even contemplating the total calamity - for Mercedes - of a Ricciardo win), and I think there has to be some questions now about whether Rosberg - if he won - would be that moral and unquestioned champion that Mercedes no doubt want.

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@Bryce, try this: grab a ball, look up at the sky, and throw the ball straight up. Now with your arms down and out of sight, catch the ball. Pretty easy, right? Same thing with the front wing ... while they might not be able to physically see it, they will have a sense of where it is in relation to their car at all times.

Looks to me like Rosberg pulled left to avoid a rear tire vs. front tire kiss (usually front tires lose there), then turned full right when it was FW vs. left rear. It was either deliberate, or a totally rookie move. Rookie moves from 9-yr vets will raise some eyebrows.

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It looked to me like the left/right movements were meant to keep Rosberg on the track without hitting Hamilton. He just ran out of room when Hamilton slammed the door.

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Come off it. Drivers cannot even see their front wing, let alone trying to line it up in the middle of a corner. Silly, one-eyed comment.

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Agree.

Rosberg Junior is a liability. Simple as.

Still, what goes around comes around in this world.................

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@KRB

I think there has to be some questions now about whether Rosberg – if he won – would be that moral and unquestioned champion that Mercedes no doubt want.....

That's an interesting point. Of the two Mercedes drivers, there is simply no argument as to which of them is the more marketable. Even the Germans don't care about Rosberg - confirmed by the empty seats at Hockenheim and also by Michael Schmidt a German journalist who writes for Auto Motor Und Sport. On the other hand, Nico is 29 points in front and is the obvious choice to back. Tough decisions for the management team in the coming weeks.

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YES!! BLATANT & DANGEROUS !!

Have a look on slow motion on Sky F1 (I hate the channel but they did a break down of Rosbergs steering turn he does a second turn into rear tyre of Lewis ! Blatant & unsporting Rosberg shows his sqeaky clean character is a fake disguise! He should get a race ban from Mercedes to even the score).

Though as Lewis said they'll gi s him a telling off & thats that.

Rosberg cannot race Lewis in a Dogfight. ..Lewis has race craft & Rosberg has none.

Shamble podium interview with Jordan having his lips firmly lodged in the rear of Rosberg.

Can Lewis get a fair crack at the whip with this duffer in the team... I guess that is not going to happen unless Lewis takes matters I his own hands & does exactly the same to Falseberg.

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What would be achieved by banning Rosberg for a race? It might give Hamilton the championship, but would Hamilton want to win it under those circumstances? His existing championship is regarded by some as 'hollow' and that he was gifted it by Glock. Does he want a second championship with a the doubt he wouldn't have won it if Rosberg had competed all races.

There's no doubt he's got the talent, but he hasn't got the consistency, look at the number of mistakes he's made this season.

To get the respect his talent deserves he needs to move on and concentrate on using his skills to win the championship on the track without politics involved.

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John Burlington

@ Pedro I didn't suggest anything about misfortunes????

Not sure what you meant about a banker lap at Monaco? He'd already set a time to good enough to get second on the grid.

In Canada both he and Rosberg suffered the same failure on the car. Rosberg managed it and got 2nd. Hamilton didn't and and got a dnf. Hamilton was ahead of Rosberg when he retired. If he had managed the problem rather than hoping he could get to the end he would have got 2nd & Rosberg 3rd.

Fortune was with him at Silverstone. With Rosberg's retirement his mistake in qualifying didn't hurt him.

In Austria his mistake in qualifying possibly cost him pole and the win.

At Spa he went too fast on the way back to the pits and the flailing tyre damaged the bodywork. If he'd have taken it slower got back to the pits without damage he could have unleashed the full potential of the Merc. Even if he was 2 minutes off the lead when he came out of the pits he could have still scored points. He was 3 sec quicker than Kvyat in qualy. Kvyat finished 1.05 min behind the leaders in 8th. At 3 sec a lap he would have overhauled Kvyat easily for 8th.

(On a side note I'm not sure his car was as damaged as it was made out. On lap 4 or 5 he set the then fastest lap. His fastest lap was faster than that of Alonso, Vettel and Kvyat's fastest laps).

Looking at the possible effect of the above:

Canada Hamilton +18 points, Rosberg -3 points

Austria: Hamiton +7 points, Rosberg - 7 points

Belgium: Hamilton + 4 points.

Adjusting the current standings (220/191 points) we get;

Hamilton: 220 points

Rosberg: 210 points

So Hamilton should be leading the championship if he hadn't made mistakes and had managed situations better.

On a different subject, much has been written about Hamiltons final run in Monaco being ruined by the yellow flags caused by Rosberg going off. I can't remember anything being written about Rosberg's final run being ruined in Austria by Hamilton going off.

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@ John Burlington

Are you seriously suggesting that Lewis' mistakes this season have outweighed his misfortune? Yeah he's made mistakes: Silverstone, Austria, could have got a banker lap in earlier in Monaco.

Lewis misfortune:

Austrailia = Mechanical issue, DNF

Canada = Mechanical issue, DNF

Germany = Mechanical failure in quali, start 20th

Hungary = Engine fire, start race from pit lane

Spa = Hit from behind, DNF

Nico misfortune:

Silverstone = Mechanical failure, DNF

Canada = Mechanical issue, came second

When Lewis has had the chance to complete a race, he's more often than not looked the stronger of the two drivers, he just doesn't get the chance. The guy has had an up hill battle all season and he still comes back fighting.

Is without doubt going to be an interesting end to the season. If he gets the chance to complete races, the best man will win, if he doesn't Nico will.

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And this type of clash has been fairly common in Hamilton's career. Scrapes with Button, as a teammate, and Massa. fairly regularly a couple years ago, come to mind.

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Alastair Isherwood

Pkara, or should I say Nicole 😉 or should I say lewis? Welcome to jamesalleninf1 lewis, good to have you with us......

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Jes = James Allen 🙂

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I'm a Leicester lad born & bred !
Rugby Union Playing front row prop, dont ever call me Nicole!!
Lewis fan unlike your one eyed half faced slurr.
Proud to wear my heart on my sleeve as a Lewis fan.
Support my fellow Brit anyday unlike the insane comments regarding the premeditated attack from Golden Balls...then the Toupee wearing Jordans slime inducing love in with his neighbour Rosberg!!
Jordan should be sacked James should be in the driving seat with Coultard & Suzie & Lee.
[mod]

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Come now Pkara, dont sit on the fence, tell us how you *really* feel...

Im guessing youre a Hamilton fan. Would you have booed? I actually think EJ handled the situation very well (to my surprise). The booing was unfair.

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The booing was unfair...

How so? The spectators have paid for their tickets and are entitled to express their opinion as they see fit (obviously they must remain within the law).

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Jordan was truly sickening.

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Last I checked C63, EJ has done quite well in F1. I liked his team and him ad a principal quite a bit. He contributes, quite a bit.

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I wouldn't laugh so publicly, James - you've built a career around *watching and commentating upon* a few multi-millionaires pleasuring themselves.

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@Michael Powell
If that's the best you have seen Jordan perform with a microphone then it doesn't say much for his other performances.
Jordan is a [mod]. The only reason he gets to do the podium interviews (which are invariably rubbish and cringe worthy) is because he kisses Bernies [mod] 3 times a day, every day - including Christmas and bank holidays.

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Not at all, he handled it very well. There was a baying rabble in the crowd who needed to be put in their place, and Eddie did that politely and firmly, it's the best I've seen him perform with a microphone.

We should be here to see a race, not shout for our favourites. It's not a football game, for goodness sake. There was much to enjoy in this race, and lots of intrigue in the way that the win was achieved, and the improved Kimi, the dices down the field, and the Williams resurgence.

So what if one guy got himself a puncture, then damaged his car during the run back to the pits? This happens quite often, ask Massa how many races he's been taken out this year on the first lap.

Calm down. This is just a another racing formula where multi-millionaires pleasure themselves on Sundays, and we, the riff-raff look on. Try not to take it seriously, it's not real life, it's the entertainment industry.

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Falseberg, lol. F1's nice guys are falling by the way side. What scandal will envelop Ricciardo??

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Mercedes taking Rosberg out of the seat for one race will never happen, unless he does similar again. If they did it now, it would be seen as the team tampering with the drivers' championship.

I've mentioned before that I had googled an article (it was a NY Times piece) from around the time of Rascasse-gate (Spring 2006), and in it they cited Rosberg who said that Michael's error was in making it so obvious, and that all the drivers by that time knew how to make deliberate acts look like mistakes, etc. I found it once, but I didn't bookmark it, and since I've been unable to dig it up again. If anyone wants to take a crack at it, I'd appreciate it ... then please post it here. A thousand monkeys, and all that ...

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Just for reference, the quote in the article linked by 'Wildwood' is...

"The ugliest trick came at Monaco this year when Schumacher parked his car in a corner on the last lap of qualifying to prevent anyone from taking his provisional pole position.

...

.Nico Rosberg, a driver at Williams, agreed, saying that all drivers had done something similar in their careers. Schumacher's error, he said, was in doing it so obviously that he got caught - and was penalized - and in not admitting that he did it on purpose."

Yet more evidence that a clever bloke like Rosberg knows exactly what he's doing. Don't let him fool you.

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You are the man (or woman), Wildwood!!! 🙂

I guess I had focussed my subsequent searches around the time of Monaco 2006 that I never was able to get it again.

Peter Windsor has claimed that various Merc engineers have told him that they know Nico deliberately spun in Monaco this year, but that they can't prove it beyond doubt, etc.

If the reason why the stewards yesterday didn't decide to intervene was b/c it was a clash between teammates, that would be totally wrong. Their role is to protect the integrity of both championships, and as far as the Drivers' Championship is concerned, they have to treat each driver as an individual competitor.

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Is this the same Lewis that crashes his way through the field whe he messes up quali and has to start near the back?

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[mod] Perhaps you should re-watch the races in question. In one (Germany), Hamilton started from the back because a brake disc failed, and in the other (Hungary), because his car caught fire. He came through the field on both occasions, and had remarkably little contact, given the sheer volume of overtakes the circumstances necessitated. The closest to a ‘controversial’ pass was that on Button, which resulted in contact. Jenson was displeased at first, but upon having viewed the incident again, he publicly apologized. I am not sure which races you were watching?

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"messing up quali": Are you refering to when his brakes went sending him into the barrier or when the car set on fire????

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Oh you mean the time when his engine caught fire. Or the one where his brakes disintegrated?

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I don't believe the team can ban a driver for one race as they are contracted to the series. What they can do is give him a dodgy set of tyres or turn down the engine for qualifying or a slow pit stop during a race to make sure they keep their drivers separated on the track (tactics Red Bull seemed to resort to during the Vettel/Webber conflict). At the start of the year I was actually hoping Rosberg would win the title. Now I am hoping anyone BUT Rosberg wins. Wouldn't it be sweet if Ricciardo jumped both Mercedes (for both Daniel and Ross Brawn).

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Rosberg's misjudgment was his turning right slightly, without being able to see exactly where his end plate was in relation to Hamilton's wheel.

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Roseberg turned slightly to the right to stay on the tarmac - not to hit Hamilton, and as a result of a misjudgment they made contact.

Of course there can, and will be many many different views on this but I believe that at the end of the day it will be seen as a racing incident - just as the Steward's decided.

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Not sure you can call it a "misjudgment" when Rosberg has said that he placed his car intentionally to make a point.

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Look at the footage - he takes a rightwards swipe towards Hamilton just as the Englishman's car turns left.

Rosberg saying he did it to 'prove a point', when that far back on that corner, can only mean that he knew contact was very likely. Therefore, he knowingly risked causing an accident, which is effectively the same, in that situation, as causing the accident.

If that's not cheating, I don't know what is.

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Imagine if a kid is contantly bullied in a playground.

One day he decides to stand up for himself and hold his ground, the bully slips, fall and hurt his knee.

Bully then goes to his parents to cry about his hurt knee all afternoon

Who's to blame in this situation?

*I dont support either Rosberg or Hamilton in this situation, Rosberg held his ground but I don't think he deliberately wanted to crash into Lewis. Lewis makes himself look foolish every single time with his attention seeking personality.

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Rosberg did what he did in Bahrain T1; he made movement away from Lewis and another to make the corner. I don't think Lewis will be able to give Nico the chop from now on, which may be difficult for him because he naturally does it against a lot of other drivers. With the post-Bahrain 2012 rule change, Lewis needs to be a bit more careful.

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It was terrible for Mercs no doubt. So here is my reply to you,

Your logic: Goats have beard, so does every man. That means every man is a goat.

My observation: Hamilton had the inside line, Rosberg had parts of outside tyres almost out of the track, Hamilton defended, Rosberg was bit too aggressive, his nose was already ahead of Hamilton's rear tyre, he should've backed out a bit earlier & have a go later again, that means racing incident due to bad judgement.

Rosberg made lot of mistakes like every other drivers. I remember him getting drive through in Singapore for crossing the white line on his way out of the pit stop in 08; he spun in the last corner in china (not 100% sure which track) even though he was on a lap to beat Hamilton's pole time, Hamilton also spun out, several times during crucial moments in qualifying & races throughout this season & his career (running into the back of Kimi in Canada in the pitlane!) The issue is that Rosberg & Hamilton both are racing for the same team & same wdc in a same car. The effect seems more negative because of that. This was Rosberg's fault no doubt, but not deliberate for sure. Hamilton's emotion comes out in public a lot more than other drivers. This time it's justified because how the championship stands. I almost forgive him for telling his engineers "don't talk to me" or telling media "we are not friends" or "he is not German" etc. because he has the right to be upset 100% this time. But the emotion can make him listen to one when something different was told. I am loving this season because we have so much drama. I'm an Australian & would like too see Ricciardo win big. So, the result works for me. But I can't help to feel sorry for Lewis to be affected badly the incident & Nico to cop so much criticism for which is a racing incident because of misjudgment in my view.

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When an overtake is attempted, especially in tight corners, there is always the possibility of contact. I don't think it can be claissified as 'knowingly risking an accident'.

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Spinodontosaurus

http://fat.gfycat.com/LeanPertinentFanworms.webm

^Onboard clip.

Rosberg tries to brave it out around the outside, realizes it isn't going to work out and steers left to avoid hitting Hamilton. He then quickly steers back to the right so that he still has a chance of making the corner. He marginally misjudges how close he is to Hamilton and just clips his front wing on Hamilton's tyre.

That's all it is - a simply misjudgment. It is hard to attribute such a small and easy mistake to outright malice, when equally small mistakes are made on a somewhat frequent basis.

If we cast our minds back to Bahrain and that one instance where Hamilton gave Rosberg the chop between Turns 1 & 2, Rosberg went through the same entirely logical movements; he steered away from Hamilton to avoid contact, then steered back towards him when he felt he had enough room to do so.

Hell even Alonso took his front wing end plate off at the start of the last lap by hitting Vettel into the La Source hairpin:

http://giant.gfycat.com/PlaintiveSardonicHorsefly.webm

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Rosberg made a mistake, an error of judgement, it happens. What has been lost here is the speed at which Hamilton returned to the pits. He could have returned slower, caused less damage and maybe have got some points.

As a team, Mercedes seem to be taking the PR line at every opportunity in their explanation for their decisions, as if they will provide the best answers to best quell the media.

One thing they have done is to show that they don't seem able to control their drivers.

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so you're saying that everything was Lewis's fault? LOL

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@ Michael Powell

"Lewis has done this one too many times" What's that.....defended his racing line too many times. Correct me please if I'm wrong but as I understand it if you are more than half a cars length in front at the corner then you have the right to take the racing line, the fact that Rosberg hit the BACK of Hamiltons car would suggest to me that he had that right.

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@ Michael Powell

"Lewis has done this one too many times" What's that.....defended his racing line too many times. Correct my please if I'm wrong but as I understand it if you are more that half a cars length in front at the corner then you have the right to take the racing line, the fact that Rosberg hit the BACK of Hamiltons car would suggest to me that he had that right.

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I am, certainly!!

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"He could have returned slower, caused less damage and maybe have got some points."

Sorry, but that's among the sillier things I've seen posted here. Having to get back to the pits on a punctured tyre on such a long lap meant the race was essentially finished for him. Had he taken much longer, he'd have been at risk of being lapped.

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Not a silly comment at all. From the moment Hamilton had a puncture his race was finished in the normal scheme of things (no safety car, no rain) due to time lost in returning to the pits for a new tyre. His priority therefore should have been to get back to the pits causing minimum further damage to the car, and then back into the race with the car in the best possible condition - even if he were lapped - so that he could take advantage of any subsequent safety car. During safety car periods lapped cars are allowed to unlap themselves prior to a restart. He might then have been in the race at a restart unlapped with the best car in the field, albeit in last place as was, for example, Button in Canada 2012. Then, anything would have been possible. In the event there was no safety car so it did not matter, and in the heat of the post-incident moment this thinking was probably beyond Hamilton - but there are drivers in the field who would have been able to think the situation properly through in such circumstances. By his actions in returning to the pits at high speed with a flailing tyre Hamilton turned a car that is the class of the field into a bit of a wreck, removing any hope of a points finish even if there had been a later safety car or rain.

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The speed of HAM's return to the pits has nothing at all to do with the question of who caused the contact and why.

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Basic comprehension skills, Andy. Rosberg himself said he did it deliberately (to prove a point). Therefore it is NOT a mistake. Mistake = opposite of deliberate.

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Roseberg's 'point' was to deliberately stay on his racing line and not be barged over as has happened too often by Hamilton giving him the basic ' North Circular' chop.

Both drivers were involved, and are equally responsible for the safety aspect. Hamilton doesn't have a divine right to do what he wants just because he's in front , especially as he had an option which would have meant he stayed on track, whereas Roseberg, at the end, had no option but to move right - and he misjudged it - big deal - just a racing incident !

For me, of more concern was Mercedes Team bosses willingness to air Mercedes 'dirty washing' in public before they had even had the chance to speak to Rosberg, Same goes for blabber mouth Hamilton - who needs to man up, and stop acting like he believes he's a 'Gangsta Rapper' which he isn't.

Storm in a teacup fuelled by the ever present Press and its need to have banner headlines over everything that occurs.

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Not necessarily. See how even native English speakers can misunderstand their own language? Somebody can easily do something deliberately but still make a mistake.

When people have recovered their composure and looked at all these similar duels between Lewis and Nico through the season they will see a pattern emerge. Lewis has done this one too many times, I'm afraid, and Nico seems to have a longer memory than the causal, albeit heated, armchair observers.

Look back through all the season's races, and then apportion blame, but fairly.

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Maybe he spends an extra 20 seconds getting back to the pits and goes half a second a lap quicker? Well that's only made up the 20 seconds extra he spent getting back to the pits.The only way he was getting back into the race was with a Safety Car, which funnily enough his own shreds of tyre (although it could also have been from Bianchi's) came closest to causing.

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Sorry - disagree. To me, Rosberg didn't turn the wheel in an attempt to avoid a collision, he turned it the opposite way to cause one. Sure, Hamilton could have driven slower but his job wasn't to bring the car home intact in 14th place. He needed to beat Rosberg.

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but his job wasn’t to bring the car home intact in 14th place. He needed to beat Rosberg.

His constant calls to retire the cat seemed very short sighted. I'm sure say Alonso would have been pushing as hard as he could in that situation in the hope of picking up some points. Anything can happen, especially at Spa. Rain, safety car, retirements by others etc could have brought him into the points. If he were to lose the championship by a single point would his retirement be seen as a bad decision?

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And Rosberg needed to beat Hamilton. So he decided to attempt a pass at a particular part of the track where he felt he was faster and could pull it off.

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Really? At that "speed," he still rejoined dead last, almost 2 minutes behind the leader and something like 20 seconds behind the next car up. You are asking for the incredible.

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Tom in Adelaide

I don't think you are factoring in just how far he had to drive to return to the pits.... His race was done and dusted that very moment. They should have retired him.

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Great, well rounded and unbiased article. Mercedes need to come up with the press release to end all press releases to put this one to bed.

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Put this one to bed? Slim chance - this one's likely to be up late partying for years to come.

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this one’s likely to be up late partying for years to come....

+1 you made me laugh out loud with that line 🙂

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Mercedes are a highly respectable German manufacturer, and it's hard to see how any press release can credibly paper-over this one. This is the equivalent of biting Hamilton's shoulder.

If Monaco hadn't happened, this wouldn't matter so much, but it did happen. At the time we were all assured that all was well, it was just a mistake, the correct decision had been made, and so on, but then a few weeks later it more-or-less transpired that we'd all been fooled... and not just by the driver.

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oh something i missed enlighten me please

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Simply put, no. Even as a Lewis fan I believe that he is being paranoid and assuming the worst of Rosberg. He has a right to be angry, as he has been severely disadvantaged through no fault of his own, but rather than screaming "he's a cheat", just keep it under wraps and move on to the next race. I can only imagine however why Nico would want to prove anything about being a wheel to wheel racer. It never concerned him before earlier in the year, and it shouldn't now, especially as he is leading the world championship. To me this incident has actually had the opposite effect, as it gives ammunition to those who claim that he lacks close quarters prowess.

My main quibble isn't even this incident, but it's that it seems that every time Lewis makes a bold claim before the race something disastrous happens involving him. He should just keep his mouth shut and focus on the driving or he's gonna throw this title away.

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I say it every time: Hamilton should drive and shut the hell up to the press! Fan of his but seriously regardless of what happens you are supposed to be a professional in your sport - make your skills prove your point not your darn mouth. I am so annoyed with both him and rosberg now i almost don't want either of them to win but then mercedes has out in the effort and deserve the reward. Do these guys have a PR rep? They need to fired.

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Exactly my point. Just drive and don't open the mouth. Lewis should be careful what he says about Nico calling him "he's a cheat". Lewis himself is a cheater, remember 2008 or if it was 2009 when he lied when questioned by the stewards. It takes a cheater to know a cheater 🙂

Please Lewis, just drive as fast as the lightning instead...

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The last paragraph sums it up. A good driver that should just shut up.

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I think the reason Rosbeg felt he had to 'prove a point' was becuase Hamiltion had ignored team orders at Hungary to let Rosberg through even though they were on different race strategies.

I don't care what Mercedes say, this is going to get a lot worse. I can see someting disastrous happening in the Abu Dhabi double pointer if these ROS and HAM stay close in the points table in the next 6 races

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I don't get this Hungary argument, Rosberg and Hamilton drive for the same team that's it, They are still racing each other, It's not Hamilton's fault that Rosberg was on a different strategy that compromised him, Blaming Hamilton for not letting him past when we clearly heard Hamilton state "if he gets close enough i'll let him past, but I'm not slowing down for him" that's a bit different to ignoring team orders. Would you rather have a driver who is competing for the WDC slow down and let his main rival take the podium instead..............get real.

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Hear hear. I thought Hamilton was getting better at being circumspect after a bad race, but accusing your team mate of saying he crashed deliberately when thats clearly not what he actually said, is likely to ultimately backfire.

Hamilton already came unstuck when his attempts to outpsych Rosberg earlier in the season - eg being 'hungrier', and Rosberg not really being German - failed to rattle his cage and probably made Rosberg more determined to prove he IS hungry (dare I suggest) by pushing harder with risky overtake attempts...

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+1

Think most a not viewing the incident objectively, maybe me as well as I'm not a huge fan of Hamilton, I see the second turn in as trying to slip in behind Hamilton a.s.a.p and mis judginging it.

Also those calling it dangerous and for Rosberg to be banned, come on...really? Not anywhere near the most dangerous incident seen in F1 and you seemed to have forgot the incidents between Hamilton and Massa always occurring a few years ago., Hamilton also makes mistakes, Button canada is one against a team mate I remember.

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I hear what your saying, I don't think for one minute Rosberg did that intentionally to cause a collision, more of an over optimistic attempt to pass Hamilton, I'm a huge Hamilton fan, but sometimes I cringe about some of his comments, the difference with this incident though is that there were two losers and one winner, Rosberg came away from Spa increasing his championship lead, Mercedes lost a load of constructors points, and Hamilton's championship hopes took a real beating. Pointing out Hamiltons previous transgressions do not help your argument, because in all most all of them he held his hands up and got punished by the stewards, sometimes severely, If we go down that route should we also include what happened at Monaco this year.

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+1 Well said.

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Spot-on Ladekoya. Lewis needs a personal spokesperson!

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It may be that Nico's point was that if Hamilton moves right to block on the straight, then he cannot move left to block again approaching the turn. Nico may think he within his right to hold his line. Fun stuff, I say.

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That doesn't make sense as you are allowed to block once and return to the racing line, before even taking a corner.

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Hamilton never moved back left on the straight. He clearly was ahead into the chicane and just took his line as he's entitled to. 100% no doubt Rosbergs fault.

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Look again. Lewis cut across. This nonsense about taking his racing line needs to be kicked out. When do you walk straight into somebody in the supermarket and then claim you were just taking your normal line and had every right so to do?

Most people adjust their normal trajectory to avoid objects, animals and people. Seems Lewis needs to learn this trick. Other drivers are able to give space, so why not Hamilton?

Time for Mercedes to send Lewis back to Ron Dennis, and have a friendly cup of tea in the motorhome with Fernando Alonso. Oh, my yes, he has the hunger, and the skills.

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Hamilton: "he basically said he did it on purpose"

That is just Hamilton trying to get the media on his side and create a big story, that quote does not mean anything.

It is just an unfortunate racing incident and that's it.

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Toto and Paddy confirmed what Lewis said...

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You have the correct interpretation. I was disappointed in Hamiltons response. I said earlier -look at the "court reporting" not the views of an aggrieved party. Hamilton should not have put that interpretation into the media.

James gave us the detsils.

Proving a point is whst all drivers do when they bang wheels.

Racing incident and clumsy driving as Martim Brundall said. He has experience and is impartisl.

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Totally agree! If this had occurred between any other two drivers then it would be classified as a 'racing incident' and case closed. However the British media and British pundits are blowing it out of proportion because golden boy Hamilton is involved. It was a clumsy move but no malice intended.

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I think Bianchi got a penalty earlier in the season for a similar incident. I always dislike it when the interpretation of the rules seem to change part way through the season. But then I've had issue with the steward system (& Charlie Whiting) for a few years now.

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Totally disagree, British media, British pundits. if you don't like it watch it on another channel or turn the volume down. Do you think if the reverse had happened Hamilton wouldn't have received the interest of the stewards, I think there would be a good chance he would have received some sort of punishment as should Rosberg, Accident or deliberate, makes no difference, Rosberg caused the collision fact, Hamilton suffered because of it fact, Rosberg came away from Spa increasing his championship lead fact. Hamilton's championship hopes have taken a serious blow through no fault of his own, how can that be "blowing it out of proportion"

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Exactly.

And in trying to get people on his side he makes himself look at least foolish, if not disingenuous.

What's going to happen now? A clarification will come out contradicting what Hamilton said and his own integrity will take a hit. All he needed to do was say absolutely nothing and let the brouhaha swallow Rosberg - by stirring the pot he gets some of the muck on himself.

As for the incident: what Rosberg said more or less jibes with what happened. He hung in there just a bit too long. And I'd think the "proving a point" quote was an admission of guilt not an admission of malice.

The best way to think about it is if Hamilton's tyre hadn't been cut by Rosberg's damaged wing: everyone would be saying, "Slightly ambitious move by Rosberg. Shame for him he ruined his own race." Not, "He's a cheat! He should be banned!"

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Well he didn't need the media on his side, the footage should be more than clear cut that Rosberg was in the wrong

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Spot on !

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Precisely. Lewis has deliberately let a carefully worded genie out of the bottle.

Racing indicident, happens all the time. Roseberg could have unded up with his wing under his front and into the barriers, while Lewis sailed off to +25 points. Too much to lose for it to be a deliberate act.

Now, can Daniel please have his 18 points from Australia back, please.

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I think it's very simple, Nico has nothing to lose by trying a risky pass. If they both go out, he wins. If Lewis goes out, he also wins. He just has to make sure Lewis goes out...

I'm sure it wasn't deliberate, but it was no accident.

I would say the nearest precedent is Jerez 1997, but would the FIA really take action now?!

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What rubbish..

Try..Nico loses his wing and Lewis continues undamaged... if he's good enough to puncture a tyre while taking minimal damage to his own front wing, Nico really deserves to be WDC

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No - actually Ricciardo wins and both Mercedes drivers and the team lose out. Mercedes would be hugely embarrased by the situation as their corporate image is a valuable commodity to them. They won't want one of their drivers winning but being labelled a cheat and they certainly won't want the war to go on and have Red Bull beat them to the title.

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It may be that Nico's point was that if Hamilton moves right to block on the straight, then he cannot move left to block again approaching the turn. Nico may think he within his right to hold his line. Fun stuff, I say.

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If true rosberg should lose his points and put another driver in for 2 races it would be a pity that the team gets penalised but so be itn The FIA could come down harder if proved..

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Hmmm, you brought up Monaco as another "mistake" by Nico. I don't think either was accidental.

I've compared Nico's carrying himself like Prost and Hamilton carrying himself like Senna before. Senna was egregiously wrong with Prost in 1990 - just as Schumi was with Damon in 1994 and Jacques in 1997 - to cause a crash to clinch the title, or at least try to. (Just as Schumi's stunt at Monaco in 2006 was rightly compared to Nico's this year.) But Prost was the only one to ever deliberately crash into a TEAMMATE (Senna in '89), and he would have been doomed at McLaren anyway after that if he hadn't already signed for Ferrari.

This may have cost Hamilton the title, but Mercedes is in the most invidious position. They have a long term contract with a guy who's shown he will take a teammate out, whether "on purpose" or at best through incredible recklessness. Yikes.

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Surely they would have a "you were driving like a tool" exit clause in there somewhere.

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Ummm, sorry mate. I've got nothing 🙁

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Thank you for that Glenn - I was sure the clause was there but I wasn't sure exactly where.

Now if you can help a little more I'm very interested to find out what clauses 88.3-88.6 state 🙂

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Correct as usual Random. (b) Driving like a tool is immediately below (a) whining like a tool in Section 88.1 - Reasons to terminate a contract - Tools.

Interestingly, Section 88.2 deals with matters arising from Speaking to the press after a closed door meeting. 88.7, unauthorised sharing of proprietry data to the world via social media.

Rarely are these clauses evoked.

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You mean like Senna and Prost?

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Any team who's in possession of evidence that one of their drivers took their teammate out of a race, would face zero problems in terminating the offending drivers' contract.

JA, do we know if Nico said his quote in German, or English? Maybe there would be something lost in translation with one language over the other. Surely it doesn't sound like Rosberg, but the whining about Lewis using the illegal engine mode in Spain didn't sound like him, and that's for sure been confirmed.

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He was the one who turned the engine up the week before!!!

Seems like he's always starting the dodgy stuff!

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History shows that had the boot been on the other foot, i,e Hamilton causing the incident, then the stewards woud have acted, possibly quite serverly.

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Yup. Wonder what Nico has to do to get a penalty...

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Hamilton is fast but he should slow down and think before talking to the press.

He will not win the WDC with words and Rosberg is one smart cookie who got schooled by the best of the best.

One 16 year old kid could teach him a few lessons on handling the media.

Go Lewis Go!

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Yes I do wish that all the drivers would just calm down, stop showing any signs of emotion and become the media trained drones that we all want.

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Was it a racing incident? Yes. Could it been avoided? Yes? Whilst Rosberg has to take the major portion of the blame, Hamilton could have given him more room. With the pace advantage that the Mercedes has (Rosberg's last 9 laps showed this) there was no need for Hamilton to squeeze him so hard. He would have had the inside for the next two corners and would have been ahead in run back down the hill. He would have had an idea that Rosberg was there and by leaving a little more room, the collision doesn't occur.

I think it was a case of Rosberg trying to prove he, like Hamilton, can hang on around the outside (off the ideal line). Maybe Hamilton needs to start being more like Rosberg and be a little more calculating on track. Another half a cars width and Hamilton races Rosberg for the win instead of ultimately retiring

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Was it a racing incident? No. Could it been avoided? Yes? Whilst Rosberg has to take the major portion of the blame, Rosberg could have given him more room. With the pace advantage that the Mercedes has (Rosberg’s last 9 laps showed this) there was no need for Rosberg to squeeze him so hard. Hamilton would have had the inside for the next two corners and would have been ahead in run back down the hill. He would have known that he was to far back and by leaving a little more room, the collision doesn’t occur.

I think it was a case of Rosberg trying to prove he, like Hamilton, can hang on around the outside (off the ideal line). Maybe Hamilton needs to start being more like Rosberg and be a little more calculating on track. Another half a cars width and Hamilton stops raceing Rosberg and opens a gap that he is in no way obliged to.

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Knowing that they had both been told to avoid a collision, Hamilton would not have thought Nico would leave his nose hanging in!!!

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Lewis is too hot-headed and this has been his downfall in the past. Speeding back to the pits is what killed his race or he may have salvaged some useful points.

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It is well established among drivers, stewards and all concerned that the driver in front, which HAM clearly was, has the right to hold his line.

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Not if there is overlap...and when they entered the chicane Nico had overlap of half a car length. Watch the clips. That changed DURING the chicane, due to different turn radiuses and this is where it gets tricky. At what point exactly does Nico lose the right to space? He certainly had it entering the chicane - he had the overlap. And he progressively lost that overlap during the 1st corner...but where, legally, does he lose the rights to space? Is it where he has exactly 0 cm. of overlap? Or when he only had 0.5 meters of overlap (as that is "insignificant")? Clearly, he didn't lose all of his overlap, as Hamilton would not have hit him! So at what point in the 1st corner can you say Nico lost rights to space?

And that's the OP's point - it is highly ambiguous. So Hamilton SHOULD have been smart enough to know that anything could happen, and simply taken a slightly slower, larger line around the 2nd corner to give everyone room - which meant he would not have cut across the track as he did.

How on earth did a slower driver like Jenson Button keep pace in points with a faster racer such as Lewis Hamilton in their three years together? JB always would have given the space...and as a result he finished consistently, if down the order slightly. How does Alonso get such consistent performances in a slow car? He gives space when needed and doesn't crash. In my mind, Alonso is the best driver in F1, and JB is the consummate professional behind the wheel. I think Hamilton's early success in F1 taught him that he only needed to drive fast and aggressively....but to a certain extent he got lucky. Over the long run, attitudes like Alonso's will win more championships, IMHO.

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you are clearly confusing "having the right to..." with this being the best option.

given the potential damage of a collision, and that if he widened the corner he would still be in the lead, hamilton would've been more careful/thoughful to give a bit more room.

its the same like, when a driver fighting for the WDC is sharing a piece of track with someone not fighting for the title... guess what... one fighting for the title should (and usually) does avoid risk...

anyway this is more racing incident than anything and just as easily rosberg could have broken front wing and hamilton gone on undamaged... we would be calling rosberg a duffer... and most certainly the most ferverous hamilton fans would already be giving him the laurels 😉

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Hamilton gave him plenty of room, it was poor racecraft from Nico, when you're behind that much you have to give it up, there was no space for him as Hamilton had the racing line. End of.

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I saw the race live, and re-watched this video clip. Thanks for posting it.

1) Nico is clearly half-way up Hamiton's car as they enter the chicane complex. So when you talk about "who had position?" there is no clear answer, because Nico was easily halfway up entering the chicane, but as Lewis had the inside line on the first corner their relationship changed - and depending upon your point of view (literally - where you are looking from!) Nico had varying angles of overlap. But clearly he was halfway up Hamilton at the start of his move, and lost much if not all of that overlap by the time they exited the first turn - but if you consider it as "one passing move through the chicane"...then did he still have rights to space???

2) The clip CLEARLY shows Nico make two moves - the first one AWAY from Hamilton, to give Ham room. Then Nico clearly turns towards Hamilton - which Nico would have to do to keep his speed up in the apex of the next (left hand) corner, and to keep on the tarmac and respect track boundaries. It is clear to me at least that had Nico done this 0.25 of a second later Hamilton clears him, and there is no incident.

3) All in all, I think Nico made clumsy and hasty move to get back in line for the second apex, having thought he had "ducked" Hamilton's move across the track successfully, but thinking he should have had rights to more room he was too aggressive about it and made it 0.25 seconds to early. Remember, drivers CANNOT see their front wings at all in the car...as we constantly get reminded by how often they lose them.

If it was deliberate, then Nico would not have compromised his racing line for the next corner by moving left first - he could have held his line and simply let Hamilton hit him, which would have been much less ambiguous as to guilt. Instead he tried to duck Hamilton, and cut back too aggressively - due to lack of skill, due to red rage at not getting room (again he probably felt), or both...we don't know.

But having watched the overlap come and go, and then to two moves by Nico...it is IMPOSSIBLE to think that he meant to hit Hamilton in my mind.

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@Michael Powell, total garbage. Lewis gave him more than enough room. See here:

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=20001&start=555

Rosberg wanted the contact. The car behind has the great responsibility to avoid contact, when the lead driver is not moving (as Lewis didn't once he was on the racing line), as their field of vision is far greater than the lead driver's.

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Clearly, because there was a collision, Lewis failed to give enough room. Very clearly he did not. End of.

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Totally agree!

Lewis had only to take a line 6 inches to the right of the apex and we would not be having this discussion. Watch any form of motorsport, and you see the smart drivers are the ones who understand where their competitors are (or might be) and drive to avoid collision. Sometimes you just have to give a little space to allow someone to back out of a move they have started, but you both realise isn't going to work out.

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u can not say that because undoubtably lewis has been the fastest all season but problems have cost him hugely but its only the 2nd lap of a 44 lap race and rosberg tries to storm up the outside of hamilton because he knows that nico can`t pass lewis fairly and in an interview he did nico said he regretted the incident because HE wanted to win the race!! clearly he did not think that 42 laps would be enough to get passed lewis and that is not the mentality you should have if your going for a title so he tried to help himself by destroying his rivals race because after this race they are no longer team mates. Monaco was no different lewis had the speed all weekend and then in Q3 rosberg clearly intentionally took himself off the track but the thing that is more telling is he then reversed back up the run off area so that the yellow flags would stay out until after lewis passed them.

it all goes back to Bahrain after some really great wheel to wheel action between the two drivers nico rosberg has 11 laps on fresher better tyres to pass lewis who is less than 1 second in front of him and he cant do it. Nico can not race lewis hamilton because he loses everytime and therefore he has got to take hamilton out.

42 laps was not enough in nico`s mind for him to pass lewis which is incredible considering lewis hamilton has come from the back of the grid on 2 occasions and scored big points in the exact same car !!!!! that is a fact so no matter what anyone says about the incident nico rosberg knows that he can not beat hamilton in a clean race so be ready for a lot more incidents from nico in the next 7 races because its the only way he can win the championship.

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Once the lights turn green its race time, not let's follow the leader around for a couple of laps !

How many time have we seen drivers gain so many places on the first lap - so all this nonsense about " on lap 2" is just that - nonsense.

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He did not squeeze him hard at all. He could've run him wide, and basically forced him to the run-off area, just as Rosberg did to Lewis at the start in Canada. Vettel wasn't silly enough to try the pass on lap 1, even though he was further alongside Lewis than Rosberg ever was.

Can Mercedes trust Rosberg not to cause more incidents in the future, either when he's ahead and Lewis is attempting a pass, or when he's behind but trying to pass Lewis? I think the answer is a clear no. So what can Mercedes do? They could threaten Nico with expulsion, but Nico seems to be operating from the principle that it's easier to ask for forgiveness instead of permission. I guess they could compromise Nico on strategy, on fuel, and on setup. That's not likely though. Perhaps they could say that Nico will not get to benefit from any data sharing, while Lewis will still get to see Nico's data. If he's shown up like he was in Malaysia and China, it would be a sobering experience for him, and would lay bare who's benefitting the most from the open data agreement.

It is a very volatile situation for Mercedes at the moment.

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I'm just laughing! Did you see the race or watch the video?

Shot of Lewis shrinking his car or hopping right off the road or employing magic, there is no way he could have given Nico more room.

There's a handy lil' video here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28920554

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Nor did he need to. Lewis had the corner by some margin, and it was encumbent on Nico to avoid contact, but he did the opposite. How much proof does anyone need to know that was deliberate. The actual intent is splitting hairs because the result is the same. Nico put his car in a dangerous position deliberately no other way to interpret that. It strike me that some on this sight need to learn a bit more about racing ettiqette.

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I totally agree with this....initially I thought racing incident with Rosberg 100% at fault but I have come to see it like you. Others made passes here and were given the room to hang in on the outside by "lesser" (than Hamilton) drivers...especially to a team mate.....

Rosberg has nothing to lose with his point lead, Hamilton does, he needs to learn to be more circumspect and longer term thinking in his race strategy...

A good, aware driver would not have turned in regardless of the consequences...but blinding pace aside, this does appear to be a Hamilton weakness....I suspect one that has now come close to costing him a chance at the championship.

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He gave Rosberg plenty of room. He had to move left to take his line for the upcoming left turn. Rosber should know his racecraft if he had any in the 1st place!

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Andrew's point is that instead of trying to take the normal racing line and effectively 'chop' Rosberg, he could have left more room by taking a wider racing line (Lewis had loads of space left). This would have avoided the chop and he still would have had the lead.

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I kind of get what Rosberg's "point" is which is that he seems to have been on the receiving end of some fairly sharp driving by Hamilton in Bahrain in also the final lap in Hungary where Hamilton clearly moved over and would have caused contact with Rosberg's had he not got out of it. He presumably feels the team have done nothing to support him avoiding these collisions and on this occasion he decided he would leave it up to Hamilton to decide whether they made contact. It does also seem like Hamilton thought he was the most ruthless guy in the team and he doesn't like the fact that, in fact, that assumption looks pretty flawed and he doesn't like that one bit!

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+1, it seems that HAM cries to the cameras

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Very well summed up, I think. A WDC is getting schooled here.

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Vettel has had a cauldron of bad luck and Ricciardo a ton of good luck - the only Renault powered car of all 6 to have suffered no material power issues in qually/race. So you have to cop him a bit of a break there. But it is only to say he is being schooled in terms of overall outcome - as is Lewis. There are reasons, sure, but points are points in the end. Let's see if the two young guns can turn it around on their come along slower teammates.

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C63, that's a fail. It was in reference to the exchange about how Lewis is hard on his hardware. And here he was, glazing his brake perhaps because he took it beyond operating temp by braking hard. That is an easy one to attribute to being hard on the brakes. Note how it was posted to a Quali results article too, and one day after we covered it in a prior post. Gazza and buzzzzz got it. Now I'm sure your biturbo needs recalibration! 😉

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@Sebee

show me one post.....

Sebee says:

August 23, 2014 at 3:03 pm

Come again C63 and buzzzzzzz? 🙂

Ask and yee shall receive 😉

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I lost my voice screaming and celebrating for Vettel over the boos at Canada 2013. Seb is still my favorite and I support him all the way. But this season looks like Alonso vs Massa between the Red Bull guys. Its really tough. He will bounce back next year hopefully.

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C63, show me one post where I was glad Vettel out qualified Dan? I don't care. Honestly. He just won 4 straight first time ever from first to fourth in a row! Seriously, what else do you want me to say? No one has done that. Ever. Vettel is the man. And I'm super happy for Dan. I really like that guy. I can't lose...how else can I say it to you?

Plus, now my fallback German is leading the WDC...it's Erdinger time tonight again!

As for that beaching...it was ridiculous and unnecessary. It was folding under pressure. It was just plain silly looking. And the spot where he beached it...you tell me that's not funny? Don't get me wrong...I have capacity to recognize humor anywhere. Like when Vettel rear ended Webber, well, I laughed at Vettel until SC came in.

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@Sebee

Much like Vettel , you will have to try a bit harder if you hope to convince me that you really aren't bothered about your boys lacklustre performance this season. It doesn't really wash when you say that after yet another poor showing against Ricky - but before the race, when there was a glimmer of light after quali, you post dozens of comments crowing about it! Put a brave face on if you like, but I can see through the facade 🙂

On a different note, something I've been meaning to ask - you wrote a post a while back along the lines of never having laughed so hard and so long as when Hamilton was beached in the gravel trap on the pit lane in China ( remember ?) . What on earth could Hamilton have done to cause you to take such a dislike to him in his first season in F1?

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C63...how many times must I tell you? I just saw my boy bring home 4 WDC in a row. As far as I'm concerned he doesn't even have to drive this year. He's earned it. He's phoning it in and that's OK with me.

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As Vettel is a 4x WDC does that mean he is getting 4x the schooling from Ricciardo ? Mind you, having said that, Ricky isn't having to crash into Vettel to beat him - he's just plain quicker. You seemed really excited after qualifying [if we are to judge by the amount of comments you posted]. Then, when Vettel was running second in the race I bet you thought 'this is it, this is the race when finally Vettel shows us why he is a worthy 4 x WDC, I'll show all those other posters on JA how wrong they are - did you even have a comment ready? Then....... Well you know what happened - once again, Ricky stuffed Vettel 🙂

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Yes but Vettel is also having some bad luck though, I'm not sure he expected Ricciardo to be so strong but he is certainly having the upper hand at the moment, or being schooled as you called it.

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You mean Vettel?

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This seems like a pretty good take on what happened in the race. Rosberg "deliberately" wasn't going to be the one always backing down in a tight situation. If Lewis continued to know that Rosberg would always give way then Bahrain would keep repeating itself. If this incident makes Lewis think twice when the two are close together from now on then Rosberg has done his job well.

Watching Rosberg adapt his driving this season has been fascinating. This is another example of Nico understanding where his weaknesses are and taking steps to try and improve.

In the first races Rosberg had been getting beat in qualifying and off the line at the start. For the most part (outside of today's poor start) he has been doing a better job in those areas as the season has progressed.

Rosberg has seemed less aggressive on track and less decisive in overtake attempts and in tight quarters than Hamilton. Some of his inelegant attempts today (the flat spotting of his tires trying to overtake Vettel was another example) show he is trying to expand his comfort zone and rise to the challenge of this season and the opportunity it presents.

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@Goks, I'm sure by now you will have seen what Button said about Rosberg's move:

“There was nothing there,” Button said of Rosberg’s attempted move. “All he could do was go off the circuit. There was no move. I think any driver would look at it now, and I am sure Nico would look at it and say ‘What was I thinking?’”

“I feel for Lewis, he was leading the race. It is unbelievable.”

“I’ve always said the person who wins the World Championship is the person who does the best job on the circuit, but that does not seem the way it is at the moment."

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Goks, best of all he created a BIG PR mess for Toto and Niki to clean up. Like a baby. I can't believe people here don't see it.

Imagine a kid with hand in the air anxiously...teacher teacher pick me...pick me! "Miss Williams, Timmy didn't finish his homework today!" "Thank you Lewis, sit down please." And he sits down all proud of himself. That's your Lewis today. You can lend him that "Rat" nickname Niki, then go and clean up the PR mess. Enjoy.

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Would Lewis take the same racing line if the other driver was either Kobacrshi (Kobayashi ) or Maldonado so?

How many collisions has Lewis been involved in this season Alone? You don't rush out of a team meeting to say your team mate has "admitted" guilt. Clearly he is not a team player. He is ready to play dirty just to win the WEB.

It would be interesting to find out at this point what both Alone and Button both think of this incident a

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Rosberg hasn't got a clue where he is on the racetrack. In his post race interview he obviously thought in his head he was alongside Lewis when he was proving a point......he wasn't, .....far from Nico getting inside Lewis head.....it's the other way round......Nico is still smarting from Bahrain......but amazingly as James says all of Nico,s mistakes seem to cost Lewis dearly. Very lucky boy!!

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An astonishingly poor effort by the stewards. A drive through or stop go for Rosberg and I feel the backlash wouldn't be so high. Rosberg clearly caused an avoidable accident, deliberate or not, which in this case heavily influences the championship. Another own goal for F1 which seems to be completely incapable of being run like a sport.

I don't profess to know whether Rosberg did this deliberately or not, but the stewards in general have been historically poor in dealing with his poor driving. Bahrain a few years ago he ran drivers completely off the track (ironically one of which was Hamilton), the Monaco pole seriously tarnished the jewel in the F1 crown this year. If they continue to treat him lightly, he will continue to drive poorly.

Vettel and Alonso were both sanctioned for poor driving early in their careers, and it did them the world of good. Rosberg needs a similar slap on the wrist.

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I don't think there was anyone Hamilton didn't hit in Germany...

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So true, he even gave the barriers a touch up for good measure!

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Rosberg!

Because you don't take out your teamate,rule one.

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I've told you a million times not to exaggerate everything 😉

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It does seem that if he said he could've avoided it, but didn't, that that's textbook "causing an avoidable collision", n'est pas?

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Irrespective of what Rosberg did or didn't say or whether it was deliberate or not or even if Mercedes issue a statement or not - the season just became interesting.

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Finally, someone recognizes that this story line always was going to arrive at this point. We all wondered how each would handle it.

One is sipping a beer. One is crying to the media.

Hey, Pussycat Doll, how is your boy today? All of Lewis' entourage today is saying...you handled that like our boy. Lewis is the boy who cried to Wolff. OK, that's all I've got. Last one is good.

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lool Nice one mate.

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Yeah, cried Wolff works mate but some other areas need polish. Sit back and let it come to you Sebee, dont force it. You're much better than this.

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Very objective zebedee. Back on your magic roundabout

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Alexander Supertramp

You treat this like a Crime of the Century. Some Things Never Change, I speak truth and you want me under the bus? 🙂

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alexander supertramp

I think they should block your comments from this site, all your posts are either cynical or sarcastical.

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Not sure how big a distinction there is between Rosberg holding his line and continuing to attack, undoubtedly knowing contact was likely, and deliberately crashing into Hamilton. They both end up with the same result after all.

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The question is intent: Will he do it again?

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What is not in question is that Nico made a move that he knew could cause a crash and admitted he was not going to back out knowing that unless Lewis took action (which he did not have to do as he had track position and Nico was not 'substantially alongside' and also was unlikely to be able to see him) there would be a collision.

What Nico has said is not an admission of deliberately causing an accident , however by admitting he made the move having decided in advanced he would not yield it is an admission of deliberate recklessness and knowingly endangering someone else safety.

For that reason alone the FIA should act. No it wasn't in the same league as Piquet Jr , a lifetime ban would not be fair or warranted, however failure of the FIA to act sets a dangerous precedent where safety is sacrificed.

No I don't want racing sanitised, I can accept mistakes - all drivers make them and they should be treated as racing incidents or a slap on the wrist, but this was 'proving a point' and should not be tolerated in any sport.

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Sorry, I disagree with you. I tend to be more Hamilton favoured than Rosberg BUT Hamilton should equally have left room for a car up the inside. His actions also reek of a pre made decision to not make way for a driver on the inside where many examples of other drivers did in this and many other races....

Although I sometimes DO wonder if Hamilton's situational awareness is lacking (this and many other incidences) I cant see that he wouldn't have known Rosberg was there or likely to still be there after the run on the straight and braking zone he had...cutting in hard and fast as if he was alone on the track is not what an aware driver would do...

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Ah, thank heavens. The voice of reason. As to Hamilton's situational awareness: remember when he crashed into the back of a stationary Raikkonen at a red light?

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He would not have been expecting a teamate to try a ridiculous overtake on lap two after they have both been warned.

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So what will Mercedes do after Rosberg breach the rule the team impose to no to crash to your team? A slap on the wrist.they will surely happen again.

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Amiel, probably just the same thing they did to Lewis when he disobeyed the team order to let Nico through

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Rosberg waited until he had his contract renewed.

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They will be offering Ross a job...

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Let's be realistic - Merc can't take away his points, so anything short of sitting him out for 2 races to equalize the damage means he'll just do it again next time.

Financial punishments, a stern talking, siding with HAM in the media, team orders, etc. - the damage is done. Ricciardo is more than good enough to sneak by while Merc implodes.

Go Daniel!

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Nonsense. Lewis should grow up and shut up.

Look at the film. 50-50 racing incident.

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No Dante - I think you should. If even Nico is saying it-doesnt make you look particularly bright..

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Should've gone to SpecSavers.