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Rosberg cruises to home victory as Hamilton recovers to third behind Bottas
Posted By: Justin Hynes  |  20 Jul 2014   |  3:05 pm GMT  |  397 comments

Nico Rosberg cruised unchallenged to a home victory at Hockenheim as team-mate Lewis Hamilton traded a rocky path, with several changes of strategy, through the field from 20th on the grid to take third place by the chequered flag.

Valtteri Bottas starred once again and gave Williams something to smile about with his second P2 finish in a row, after team-mate Felipe Massa had rolled out of the race at the start in a collision with McLaren’s Kevin Magnussen. Bottas’ late race defence from Hamilton, on worn tyres, was one of the highlights of an eventful race.

Behind the podium finishers, Sebastian Vettel claimed fourth place for Red Bull Racing, while Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso won a thrilling duel with Daniel Ricciardo in the second Red Bull to take fifth.

There was drama as soon as the lights went out. While Rosberg and Bottas got away well and held position through turn one, Magnussen, who’d made a good start, came up the inside into Turn 1 and collided with Massa. The Brazilian’s car was flipped upside down as the pair slid off into the gravel trap at turn one. The Williams came to rest right side up and Massa was quickly out of the car but also out of the race. Magnussen was able to continue, though he had to pit for repairs. The Dane rejoined at the back of the field.

Felipe Massa rolls his Williams

The incident also disadvantaged Red Bull Racing’s Daniel Ricciardo; he had to take evasive action and dropped back into the midfield in 12th place. His team-mate, Sebastian Vettel avoided trouble, however, and rose to third as the safety car was deployed.

When the racing resumed Rosberg held his lead from Bottas, with Vettel third ahead of Alonso. Nico Hulkenberg was in fifth, while Jenson Button had risen to sixth from 11th on the grid.

Hamilton, meanwhile, was charging through the pack. The Briton had dropped to 20th on the grid after a gearbox change, but by lap eight he was up to 12th behind Ricciardo who was also making progress.

Hamilton was now almost 18 seconds down on his front-running team-mate and he continued to lose time as he battled with Ricciardo. The Red Bull driver made it past Jean-Eric Vergne and Kimi Raikkonen but while Hamilton got past the Frenchman he briefly became stuck behind the Finn.

Now 25 seconds down on Rosberg, Hamilton had to move decisively and he did so on lap 13. Pulling alongside Raikkonen, Hamilton braked late into the hairpin. The Mercedes and Ferrari made contact but Hamilton made is past and with Ricciardo avoiding trouble, the Briton passed the Red Bull into the bargain. The move elevated him to seventh.


Rosberg, meanwhile, had made his first stop and as the bulk of the field, who had started on supersoft tyres, headed for pit lane, Hamilton, who had started on soft tyres, rose to second, 7.7s behind his team-mate. Bottas then retook second on lap 20 with Hamilton under instruction not to resist the Finn.

Hamilton finally made his first stop on lap 27, taking on another set of soft tyres. He resumed in eighth place. At the front, Rosberg was now 13 seconds ahead of Bottas, with Vettel third, a further eight seconds back. Alonso held fourth ahead of Hulkenberg and Button. Ricciardo was once again in front of Hamilton.

Hamilton, on fresh tyres, passed Ricciardo for P7 on lap 29 but then tried to overtake Button. He misread the pace of the McLaren, thinking that Button was letting him through, however and hit the sidepod of Button’s car. It removed Hamilton’s left front wing endplate but the Mercedes driver carried on and then made a clean pass on his former team-mate on the following lap. He found a way past Hulkenberg on lap 33 for fifth. However the damage hurt his tyre performance and he requited a change of strategy later to compensate.

Between the two Mercedes, Alonso and Vettel made their second stops, with the Ferrari stopping a lap earlier in a bid to find a way past the Red Bull. It seemed not to have worked as Vettel emerged in front of the Ferrari, but the Spaniard then breezed past the German under DRS to steal the place.

Rosberg made his second stop, for another set of soft tyres, on lap 42 and rejoined in the lead. Hamilton, meanwhile, was complaining that his tyres were wearing too fast to make the target distance planned for his stint and the team immediately switched him to a three-stop strategy, bolting on supersoft tyres on lap 43.

Vettel and Alonso

He immediately began setting race fastest laps as he began to reel in the eight-second gap to Vettel. Red Bull brought the supersoft-shod Vettel in for his third and final stop, during which he took on soft tyres. He emerged in sixth position behind Button.

On lap 50, Adrian Sutil spun in the final corner and his car stalled almost in the middle of track. It seemed set for a safety car and Mercedes, perhaps anticipating it, brought Hamilton in for his final set of tyres, more supersofts on lap 51. The safety car didn’t appear however and the Mercedes driver, who rejoined behind Alonso and ahead of Vettel , faced 16-lap stint on the quick but fragile tyres.

It didn’t hurt Hamilton, however, and he passed Alonso for P3 on lap 56 to sit just over seven seconds behind Bottas.

Alonso, meanwhile, made his third and final stop, for supersofts, with 11 laps to go. He rejoined in P7 behind the Red Bulls of Vettel and Ricciardo and the McLaren of Button but with fresher, quicker tyres.

Ahead Hamilton was chewing through the gap to Bottas with the deficit reduced to just four seconds by lap 58. On the following lap the Briton took 1.7 seconds out of the Finn to set up a move.

German GP 2014 podium

Behind then a dogfight developed between Alonso and Ricciardo, with duo tussling hard for P6. Despite Ricciardo’s best efforts he couldn’t resist indefinitely and eventually the Ferrari driver muscled past at the hairpin. He ran deep, however, and offered Ricciardo a way back in. The Australian pushed hard to recover the position but Alonso hel on. With Vettel now 7.6s ahead and out of reach fourth was the best Alonso could do. It was by a tiny margin, however. Ricciardo battled to the end and when the duo took the flag there were just hundredths of a second separating the pair.


At the front Rosberg took a comfortable fourth win of the season, but behind him Hamilton could find no way past the calm and collected Bottas, who took his third podium finish in a row.

With Vettel fourth for Red Bull and Alonso and Ricciardo taking P5 and P6 respectively, seventh place was taken by Hulkenberg. Button was eighth, ahead of team-mate Magnussen and the final points position.

Rosberg’s win leaves him on 190 points with Hamilton now 14 points back. Ricciardo lies third with 106 points, nine clear of Alonso, who is six ahead of Vettel.

With their ninth win of the season, Mercedes meanwhile have scored more points as a team in the first 10 races of 2014 than in the whole of the 2013 season.

GERMAN GRAND PRIX, Hockenheim, 67 laps
1. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1h33m42.914s
2. Valtteri Bottas Williams +20.789s
3. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes +22.530s
4. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull +44.014s
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari +52.467s
6. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull +52.549s
7. Nico Hulkenberg Force India +1m04.178s
8. Jenson Button McLaren +1m24.711s
9. Kevin Magnussen McLaren -1 lap
10. Sergio Perez Force India -1 lap
11. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari -1 lap
12. Pastor Maldonado Lotus -1 lap
13. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso -1 lap
14. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber -1 lap
15. Jules Bianchi Marussia -1 lap
16. Kamui Kobayashi Caterham -2 laps
17. Max Chilton Marussia -2 laps
18. Marcus Ericsson Caterham -2 laps

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Well done Nico and Valtteri.

But quite embarrassing from Hamilton. First he crashes himself through the field (was very lucky with Sutil and Kimi) and in the end he still can't overtake a car that is at least 1.5 seconds slower.


Man you don't seem to understand the dynamics of F1


Fantastic drive Lewis, Shame about the safety car not being deployed.when it so obviously should have been. Wonder why that was?


I tell you what's embarrassing, the constant negativity by a significant number of F1 viewers (I wouldn't call them fans) who do nothing but show disdain for a particular driver. They usually follow the pattern

(great race! x and y were great.... but Z is rubbish, blah blah).

Every damn race. It is really tiring, as an F1 fan, to read such comments when you want to discuss how exciting a race was, to have such unnecessary negativity. Fine, you support x or y, but that's no reason to show disdain for other drivers. Why can't we use Brazil's applauding of Germany after thrashing them as an example.


from what I saw, vettel had a shave and has demonstrated that he is now in charge at red bull. he tells his team what to do while ricciardo does whatever he's asked to do. we'll see how he performs on sunday.


Excellent post, could not agree more.


i too was thinking the same thing...ok, so when he's going to start attacking...caught up to Bottas in record time and then just parked it! that, i was not impressed by, at all. i'm a fan of his driving sometimes, but he was ham-fisted all day, just driving one of the two fastest cars...the barge into Jenson was painful to watch...could have been both their races gutted.


@tim clarke - Are you actually serious? Did you even look at his tyres towards the end of that race and did you see the traction Bottas was getting out of the corners before the straight. Really truly baffling some of these comments today.


Surely, you jest.

David in Sydney

What? Hamilton is pure racer and was on a mission. A great recovery.


Well said David. - Thank God if there is one for pure racers!


Agreed yst-01, if Hamilton managed to pass any car without crashing into it it must have been because the teams were radioing ahead to warn their drivers of his imminent arrival. Unimpressed.


watch the race again and you'll realise how miss guided you are, look at Lewis's tyres, front wing and starting position


Yes, so embarrassing (ironic mode on). By the way, Sky's move of the race is incredible. If you can, please rewatch it.


I don't think we can blame him for not overtaking... But the fans that claim Lewis was great today to me are a joke. That was the fastest car in the field. I believe virtually anyone else on the grid in that car could have gotten 3rd today starting where he did. Get real.


Get real. ?? Do you know what.??

To consider a drive from 20th on the grid to 3rd as not being a great drive, even in the fastest car.

Now that really is a joke.!!


As a Lewis fan, I note that you are replying to the first post and not to a successive number that express the assumption that 'we' Hamilton fans would 'merely' claim that "Lewis was great today.."

In my opinion Lewis demonstrated his ability to look at the bigger picture by not wasting time fighting with Bottas and instead allowed the Williams to retake 2nd in order to pursue, with his team a probably 2nd and a likely fight with Rosberg in the closing stages of the race.

It was unfortunate that he misread the pace of the McLaren and the fact that Button appeared to leaving the door wide open for him to cleanly pass - but when the move was complete Hamilton clearly acknowledge the contact was his mistake and indeed during the interviews he mentioned that he hoped he hadn't compromised Button's race. This is the Mercedes Lewis not the McLaren Hamilton.

For me this is the Lewis I expect him to be free from the McLaren mantra that he continually espoused throughout his tenure with the team, the same mantra that had to be adopted by Perez during his only season with McLaren and what I feared had been resurrected in the guise of Magnussen at the beginning of the season.

So as a Lewis fan, I look for and praise the talent and the evolution of the driver - I don't merely claim he was great today. For me, the championship is long - much more than just one day as is my appreciation and opinion of what he does.


How can you not say it was a great drive? Sure the car is the fastest on the grid, by some margin but he still had to get it to third and people like Alonso are going to try to make it difficult if they can. As it was Massa wasn't in the race but he could have been in 3rd place.....

The negativity from the mainly British "fans" (who seem less than intelligent sometimes, one has to admit) surrounding this guy is incredible, if he were Brazilian they would worship him as the next.... well you know what i mean. It's the usual British is rubbish scenario, ship of fools!


i dont think embarrassing, the amount of overtakes lewis was going to have to do today, there is always a high risk of some contact, and it was the tyres which meant he could not catch bottas due to the slightly early final pit stop


Yeah, he should probably just retire.


Now that is utter nonsense. How is it in the end he couldn't do when his tyres were gone? As Brundle clearly pointed out, Button moved around the corner and did not pick his line correctly. The overtaking move on Kimi was a race incident and if you looked at the video properly, he did not touch Sutil. I don't see you criticizing Vettel for his squeeze on Kimi and damaging his wing.


Unbelievable, I guess your not a lewis fan, people moan about the lack of overtakes, then someone attemps a few moves, manages to pull them of, no moaning by kimi or sutil, no upset stewards, the button move every driver on the grid would have made that move, with the amount space button left, as for not taken bottas his left front was gone four laps from the end, no driver on the grid was making the supersoft last, thats how lewis drives, today it paid of, next race it might not, considering all thing from qually yesterday, a good save from lewis, congrats to rosberg and bottas, and the frick drama, what a fuss about nothing


Even Button has tweeted to say that, having watched the race, he now realises why Hamilton thought he was letting him through.


agreed furstyferret


Don't you recognise a great driver when you see one, and what you forget is that Hamilton's car was damaged which in turn affected his tyres! In addition the Williams car is very fast on the straights, indeed recorded the fastest in the speed traps so I think you have some learning to do about what goes on in F1.


Williams are getting extra help from Merc!! I bet when merc starts to loose some advantage to the other big teams so will Williams.

Looks like Susie Wolff brings a lot of perks with her (and that is not meant to be rude).


@Steve S. 'The RB8 was merely average'

Average enough to win 7 out of 20 races. The fastest 'average' F1 car in history



Vettel went from the pit lane to third place while damaging his wing during his many overtakes......

Didn't Vettel damage his wing hitting a brake marker board at the side of the track when they were behind the safety car? Who was he attempting to overtake at that stage of the race I wonder?


Isn't Sutil trying to make up with Lewis? Perhaps that is why he parked where he parked? Thinking, hey...this will help my Buddy...he'll know I did it on purpose. Charlie saw right through it. 🙂


How many spots did Vettel lose in that first safety car in Abu 2012 PB?


Hello Ed,

Yes agree with everything you say, and it is only bad luck that prevented Hamilton from getting pole and winning the race. I'm going to ignore comments from people that can't even present the facts accurately, and for those who thought Vettel was driving an average car during his reign are quite deluded. - Not doing so well now though is he? The truth of it is that there are many factors that affect performance, and car characteristics don't necessarily suit the driver. Regarding Sutil's car it seems the FIA regard safety as a flexible thing they can manipulate.


I think Hamilton drove an excellent and very entertaining race. His quick thinking and pitting after the sutil incident could have positioned him for a challenge on BOT/ROS in the final laps. No way of knowing how that would have panned out, and of course inexplicable why the Safety Car was not deployed.

Regardless of who stood to gain or lose, that was a clear SC in my view.

It was also a great race when you consider that his brake had failed completely through no fault of his own in Quali, and he was very badly shaken by that incident. He clearly did not allow this to unnerve him at all in the race.

An exhilarating drive, and I thoroughly enjoyed listening to it.



Good one. When it comes to Vettel, everyone has double standards, even the commentators.

I doubt if we will ever see an article with ' Was Hamilton lucky to have a most dominant car in the history of F1 that he started 20th and yet finished 3rd inspite of a scrappy drive, making contact with various people at various points'


@Steve S and @Sebee

Hmm..statistics only reveal the real picture when presented in their entirety...now let's see...yesterday, just one top contender retired (Massa) and there was just one safety car at the beginning which had no bearing on the result strategically speaking.

Looking back to Abu Dhabi 2002, there were two safety cars (lap 9 and lap 38) while the following competitive cars and potential point scorers retired:

Romain Grosjean (9th on the grid), Mark Webber (2nd on the grid), Lewis Hamilton (race leader and P1 on the grid), Nico Rosberg (7th on the grid) and Nico Hulkenberg (P10 on the grid).

Now let's factor in the fact that Hamilton ran with a significantly damaged front wing for more than half the race (regardless of how/why it occurred) and it is obvious why Richard (and I'm sure countless others too) has a different opinion for Hamilton's drive yesterday than Vettel's in Abu Dhabi.

Perhaps an incomplete audit, and not that sharp a memory after all.


Steve, nice audit and memory!


Your opinion was different after the Abu Dhabi GP of 2012, where Vettel went from the pit lane to third place while damaging his wing during his many overtakes.

The most significant difference between Seb's drive in 2012 and Lewis' drive today was that the W05 is a genuinely dominant car, perhaps THE most dominant car in the history of F1, while the RB8 was merely average. And yet, compare and contrast the reaction to the two drives.



Embarrassing for Hamilton?

Tyres were shot, hampered by damaged front wing. Settling for third rather than losing everythihg was pretty sensible if you ask me.....


Well done Valtteri by the way.

Easy peasy for Nico.


yeh, really bad race from 20th to 3rd.

so embrrassing


really? really? what?


Embarrassing to go from 20th to 3rd? I'm not sure that's the word I would use.

kenneth chapman

@ seebee, my sentiments exactly. good drive but others, given the same machinery could've done the same.


@Sebee if you can't find reasons to cheer for your wonder kid Vettel (who seems to have lost the plot now that his team mate is allowed to compete), would you just belittle other drivers who've done well? 20th to 3rd (nearly 2nd) in a race with just 1 top contender retiring, and without the help of any safety car, is commendable even in this car!


Not embarrassing, but not surprising in this car.


Even when Hamilton races from the back with a good performance some posters will try to be critical of his race, that's the embarrassing thing really.

Vettel made contact with Kimi, I suppose that was just a racing incident, or in your eyes was he crashing his way through! The Hamilton and Sutil incident was much like the Button one, not much in it but in my opinion Hamilton is on the inside of the track and is entitled to space and both times the driver on the outside steered into Hamilton, hardly Hamiltons mistake but it's just a racing incident and no big deal.


You can please some of the people some of the times,... this doesn't sound like an unbiased comment to me.

Hamilton could have won the race, this guy here would still complain.

roberto marquez

Totaly agree with you. Besides tha race authorities did not send the safety car ( Sutil incident ) ,which was irresponsable to say the least,because if it went out they were sure Hamilton would had won the race.FIA should investigate this.


Indeed he would. Maybe it would be better if we could get posts rated, if after say 50 -votes a post (such as the one fromthe could be removed, as for a reason how about jealousy? Envy?


vettel has woken up!


@ Aveli

1 Squirk race and you say vettel has woke up, come on mate. Vettel was lucky in the race and evaded the first corner incident well. While ricciardo has been caught out and had to run out-wide to avoid the collision. That's the difference between vettel and ricciardo. Had ricciardo held position somehow with better fortunes he could have finished in P3 instead of P4 which vettel managed.

Ricciado have put up a good fight with Alonso and his race-craft already look miles better than vettel, if we compare silverstone with hockenheim where Alonso fought with different bulls in either races.

Ricciardo as usual out-qualified vettel easily on saturday and deserve the plaudits for putting the false WDC back in his place

Ricciardo a contender for the DOTD this race yes for sure, vettel cent % NO


@Krischar - Agreed!


..I think Daniel would have beaten him again were it not for the 1st corner incident. Dans fight with Alonso was also handbag free..which was nice!


It's curious, I thought the opposite when he was passed by Fernando in hard tyres, or when he couldn't return the overtaking to the spaniard with soft tyres.


Vettel did the same as in the other races, his teammate was like 20th after the first lap and ended just 8.5 seconds behind.


@Steve S

"You don’t seem to know what the word “objective” means, because yes, that IS objective"

You obviously missed the irony. You picked out two indisputable facts at your chosen points to prove very little. i.e. Vettel increased his lead by 3 secs so he was in fact technically faster conveniently ignoring the fact there were more then 10 cars between him and Vettel at your chosen start point.

So "wow thats really objective" ( with irony )


"by 5 secs you mean just after the safety car came in.

Wow thats really objective."

You don't seem to know what the word "objective" means, because yes, that IS objective. Over the course of the race SV was a faster driver than DR. That's just a fact. Arguably he did not have as entertaining a race to watch, but the term for that is "subjective".


@Steve S.....by 5 secs you mean just after the safety car came in.

Wow thats really objective.

Vettel had a great race with some good wheel to wheel stuff....but DR was a solid candidate for DOD.


After two laps DR was 5 secs behind SV. By the end of the race, 65 laps later, he was 8.5 seconds behind him.


Ok. I will make a prediction.

Vettel will finish third in this year's championship even without any retirements from Ricciardo.


@ Rohind

In your Dreams

kenneth chapman

and if he doesn't what will your pennance be?

David in Sydney

When he starts out qualifying his teammate on a regular basis then maybe... RIC has VET's measure at this stage.


That's BOLD but I sincerely hope you are right 🙂


When was he ever asleep?


One only needs to review the last few races, Vettel's own admission and Horner's and Marko's (his biggest fans until last year) appraisal of Vettel this season to find the answer.

The first year Vettel's team mate is really allowed to 'race' him on Sundays, Vettel is showing what he's really worth. What world champion worth their salt will be so utterly and completely lost for answers against a newbie team mate, who Vettel (multiple and reigning world champion) was expected to just walk over this year.

Is it really that difficult to see something that obvious! Perhaps some of Vettel's fans are giving him company in sleeping through the year!


he's had a shave ever since.


"During the other races and qualifying sessions?"

[mod]In virtually every race where Vettel has started/finished behind Ricciardo this season he's suffered some sort of electrical/mechanical issue. The few times this was not the case his race was ruined by.RB's strategy calls.

As I recall you're the person who claimed Vettel had a "poor race" in Monaco -- where he retired with a turbo failure while running third, ahead of Ricciardo! At least make some pretense of objectivity.

FormulaEDiary (Anil Parmar)

During the other races and qualifying sessions? He's openly admitted he's struggling. That said he profited from Daniel getting caught up in the Massa-Mag incident.

Ricciardo was electric today. To be so close to Vettel at the end and to be involved in such great battles...he's surely a WDC in the making.


you will see how he performs from now on.


Pretty much what I thought would happen, I didn't think Hamilton would be able to catch the Williams', although considering what could have happened due to his various travails third is a pretty good save.

Mercedes looked like they were gambling on a safety car for the Sutil incident by bringing Hamilton in early, and if there had been a safety car it would have been Bahrain in reverse - Hamilton on fresh super softs right behind Rosberg and Bottas on softs. Worth a gamble I'd say.

Losing second didn't really change very much, Hamilton is two wins shy of Rosberg either way, we'll see if it makes a difference at the end of the season.


if the gamble paid off it might have been lewis on top step unless nico would have covered him off with a pit stop also


Congrats to Rosberg Junior, very mature, disciplined race. Bottas was sensational, as was Williams. And great comeback drive from Lewis - although a bit of a knock from Jenson probably didn't help!

I thought the 1st corner accident with Felipe and Mini Mag was unfortunate. Perhaps a lack of experience from Mini-Mag and a lack of perspective from Massa was ultimately the culprit. I was going to make a cliche about Massa's world turning upside down....................oh dear, I already have.

I really didn't understand why Macca kept Jenson out on threadbare tyres towards the end - it was pretty obvious if you were not driving a Williams or Merc, 3 stops was the optimum strategy because of the high tyre wear. McLaren's lack of strategical nous has been shown up again.........

I've got to give credit to Nando, the Bullfighter completely extracted the maximum out of a wayward Prancing Horse - yet again. And also, great battle between Danny Boy and the Matador! More of the same please lads - hard fight, but clean and consistent. That's exactly how it should be.

Amazing to think Mr Maylander, the Safety car driver, has led more laps at the half way point in the WDC than Kimi, Nando, Jenson and Seb put together! 4 world champions (including a reigning WDC) and collectively they have led the magnificent total of zero laps in 2014! Talk about a comedown.......................


Well, F1 has always been a technologically driven sport and there are always more drivers capable of winning titles than there are seats in cars capable of winning titles. Having said that, Ferrari and especially Mclaren need to improve, at this rate Brazil 2012 looks like being Mclaren's last win for a long old time, Honda engine and money be damned.


PS Sutil's stranded car - I was alarmed to see marshalls running across the track.

Don't want to drag up the past for the sake of it, but at the 1977 South African GP at Kyalami, marshalls run across the track to attend to a broken down car, and tragically one of the marshalls carrying a fire extinguisher run straight into the path of Tom Pryce (Shadow). Poor Tom hit the marshall and his extinguisher straight in the face at about 150 MPH: Tom died instantly, while the poor marshall was literally cut off in half with his intestines and stomach splattered across the track. Sounds gruesome - and it was, but it was back in the dark days of the 70s when circuit and car safety was (tragically) a sick joke.

Hence, why I was alarmed to see marshalls running across the track - unless the Safety car is up. Needless to say, it was a very marginal call not to bring out the safety car.


Well this was how such incidents were handled in the days before safety cars. Either marshalls came on the track under waved yellows or the race was red flagged. The car was off the racing line. All cars had been past at least once and knew it was there before marshalls crossed the track and one assumes that would have radio control from the previous corner telling them that there was a safe window to cross. The only real danger is that drivers are used to safety cars fir minor incidents but given the waved yellows I doubt if any driver would run down a marshall given a good line of sight. I think this incident could have been called either way but that it was just about safe in my opinon.


Yellow flags= marshals on track. So, drivers just have to be sure they can react. But these marshals have been trained to dodge cars anyway. And if Hamilton afraid to hit them he could have stop and respect the marshals who did their job.


I thought the same thing. It was irresponsible for a safety car to not be deployed. I cringed when the marshals ran from the grassy side of the main straight towards the pit lane side, pushing the car as they went. That footage from the 1977 SA GP was the most horrendous in all F1 history; even worse than the black and white footage of Joe Schlesser's completely charred body being removed from his car at the 1968 Belgian GP.

The crazy thing is that safety cars have been brought out for far less dangerous situations. Was Charlie Whiting having a nap or something. It's not acceptable. If I was a track marshal there, no way would I have retrieved that Sauber without a safety car being deployed. With F1 struggling as it is, an incident from the bad old days happening now would very possibly sink F1.

roberto marquez

Why the race authorities did not send the safety car ( Sutil incident ) ,which was irresponsable to say the least ? To me because if it went out they were sure Hamilton would had won the race.FIA should investigate this.


Yep - I was thinking of the Tom Pryce incident while it was happening today. Amazed there was no SC. Silverstone......stop race for 1 hour to fix small piece of barrier that no-one will ever hit again.....today.....let people run across the track to get a car out of the way because you don't want the Lewis/Nico battle to come down to a fair fight....we all know the result if it comes down to driving skill.


I thought I had seen marshalls crossing the track! It wasn't a FOM mirage.............

I'm being flippant, but in all honesty, marshalls running across a circuit when a race is in anger is incredibly foolish and perilous. And with the facility of a Safety Car, totally unnecessary.

Drivers get paid big wages to take risks. I don't think the same applies to marshalls. The thought of an F1 car making contact with a marshall is absolutely horrific.

I hope the FIA mandate a rule that, under any circumstances, a marshall MAY NOT cross the track unless a race has been neutralised by a safety car.

Perhaps James and Justin Hynes will look at this issue in depth later this week. It needs to be addressed. It turns out Lewis came perilously close to striking a marshall, as he revealed after the race. I dread to think what may have happened.

Please, please, please, no marshalls running across the track during a race. Ever.


It was stupid, but then a Safety Car would have helped Hamilton and the FIA this year has seemingly made several decisions that have disadvantaged him during the races. At least it is not 2007 or 2009 levels of bias.


Just having watched the replay of those marshals running across the track that was indeed very scary, as Lewis with Sebastian following, rounded that corner very quickly with speed and although three of the marshals kept running to the car the fourth one hesitated before deciding to go back thankfully.


Hi James, well on sky we saw three marshalls run across the track- as a conspiracy theorist- I guess they did not want to let Hamilton or Bottas get close to Rosberg on Germany week.


I could have sworn I saw them cross the track too....


It didn't appear that way on the TV screens, James. Marshals were quite crossing the track from the outside to reach the car.


OK fair enough, I'll check that. Is saw a bunch of them come up from the inside/pit lane side

Christmas Dinner

Why no safety car when Sutil stopped on the MAIN STRAIGHT ?

Was it part of Bernie's kicker to walk out of Germany with his multi-million pound fraud charge to allow horrifically dangerous racing ON THE MAIN STRAIGHT???...

so long as Wir lassen die Deutsch-Sieg ...shame shame shame again

Put the safety car on and pull the pack up....??

NO... let drivers and marshals put their lives on the line save more political subterfuge

Torchwood Five

James, I cannot respond directly to your assertion that marshalls did not cross the track.

The camera view looking down the track showed that four marshals went to cross the track from the direction that Sutil's car ended up facing, three made it across, with the fourth balking at the idea - presumably seeing cars coming along - then as the three pushed the car backwards, a whole host of other marshals hopped over a blue wall to help, and I'm guessing that this second group are the ones you saw come from the pit lane.


Er, James. I'm sure I saw them run across the track before others from the pit lane joined them.


To James post below. Watch the replay in tv. There was another group that ran acriss the track.


Sorry James, the definitely ran across the track! I couldnt believe it!


I'm afraid Gaz is right, James. The first three marshals ran across the track, there was one who thought better as one of the Red Bulls came through. After the car was moved back off the track, an army of marshals from the pit lane helped to wheel the car away...


"To be clear, marshals didn’t run across the track"

Sorry James, but that's not true. Just rewatched it and three marshals all run across the track under double waved yellows.


Well James, I just watched the Sutil incident again on my DVR, and its quite clear that 3 marshals did indeed run across the track to move his car. A fourth was following and then chose to stay behind. The ones you refer to joined them after they had pushed the car off of the track into the pit lane.


Yes, it's clear that they did,

Didn't see that from where we were opposite in which case it certainly was dangerous

GP Back To Adelaide

I agree. I'm pretty sure I saw them running from the outside of the track towards Sutil's car, not as James suggests. Happy to be proven wrong though.

Regardless, it was stupidity from the stewards.


You're right the Marshall's absolutely crossed the track from the outside .

Hamilton them came around the last corner not too long after they crossed.


James there is footage that clearly shows 4 or 5 guys running from outside the track to the inside, and indeed these were the first guys to move the car.

Why wasn't it an instant safety car call??


Hard to believe it wasn't a Safety Car
Sauber was blocking half the track


James, they did ran across the track... those who ran from the pit lane was other marshals actually...


Whether they actually ran across the track is quite irrelevant.....The fact that they were so reticent to approach the car should have been signal in charge to those in charge that that was a very risky situation and the stood there expecting a safety car intervention.


To be clear, marshals didn't run across the track

They went from the inside of the pit lane, across the pit lane, to the car which was on their side of the track

At no stage did they cross the track. I know because it was right in front of me


Well this is Germany week. I´m not surprised Nico won. Amazing Bottas and Lewis. I feel terrebly sorry for Massa. Why wasn´t Magnusen penalized? And why there was no SC after Sutil spun? The car was in middle of track. That was a reckless move by FIA.


For me Massa/Magnussen was a classic racing incident. Bottas had the line and they both dropped in behind him (onto the same tarmac).

Massa was slightly ahead when they collided but only because he had a faster line - they were level when they turned in. Ideally Massa would have stuck to the wider line. Or, if you prefer, ideally Magnussen would have conceded the corner to Massa who was closer to the racing line. But their focus was on Bottas, and I don't think they could see each other (even in their mirrors), so it seems harsh to blame either of them.

David in Sydney

It was a racing incident. A rather nasty one.

FormulaEDiary (Anil Parmar)

I don't think there needed to be a safety car for that incident because yellows/double yellows would easily allow for the car to be pushed off the track (as was the case). What I don't get is why Sutil wasn't penalised for spinning the car when cars were approaching! The onboard from Alonso made it look awfully dangerous.


Felipe left K-Mag nowhere to go.

You don't cut towards the apex on the first corner of a race. That's just asking for trouble. The fault for that incident lies mostly with Felipe.

I suspect that, had a non German been leading that race, a safety car would have been deployed. Very marginal and dangerous call.


Agree about the safety car, and questions need to be asked.


Absolutely agree. It was quite obviously necessary and yet the marshalls had to run out in front of cars. I'm still stunned they let that happen.


Because he had nowhere to go. Mag was on the apex of the turn and Massa turned in to him.


I suggest all Massa fans and supporters put stickers to their cars - " MASSA FAN " . It can prevent many accidents.


Agreed...Mag had already backed out to avoid a collision with Bottas. Massa just did another brain fart and wrecked his own race by having no spatial awareness. I think he might be female 🙂


Congratulations to Nico on his home wim.

James, dont you think that FIA was irresponsible and has put the lives of marshals at risk in not deploying the safety car in a very, very dangerous situation?


There should be an investigation about this (conducted by whom, I don't know). Charlie Whiting is an employee of the FIA. This could eventually be dubbed the 'Safetygate' controversy. Far worse than previous scandals as this has endangered peoples lives.


The welfare of the marshals and other drivers should have been considered in my opinion, surely a safety car should have been deployed when a car is in that position, I don't like it when the safety car being called out changes the race or disadvantages anyone but I think safety of the marshals is very important and was surprised considering previous times when it has been called out that today it was not used after Sutil stopped on track, surely the car was in a more dangerous place than Massa's car was and the safety car was called for that incident, rightly so I believe.


I agree. You only have to look at Silverstone. The safety car stayed out because an armco railing had a dent in it and was deemed to require replacement. Fast forward to Germany, a car is partially blocking the track and brave men and women have to run the gauntlet to recover it. Bizarre.


Poor decision at Hockenheim, I agree.

But the Silverstone decision was the correct one. Just as others have referred to Tom Pryce, think also of the example of Helmut Koenigg. In the dark old days many were maimed or killed by damaged or incorrectly installed barriers. You can't have a 'lightening never strikes twice' approach to safety risk management.


Not sure about that but surprising they didn't send one out, yes.

The car was off the line, but still blocking 1/3 of the track


I'm putting my tin hat on now but.... with the data that Charlie can see, he must have seen a sufficient gap in traffic for the marshalls to 'safely' remove Sutil. That avoided a minimum of 6 laps being lost behind the safety car, with the field so spread and so many lapped cars it would have taken ages.

I admit at the time I was screaming for a safety car, but in reflection and taking into account the gps data Charlie has, I think he made the right call and, it goes without saying, he would never risk injury of marshalls.

Not sure what relevance the red flag at Silverstone has to this as there was no barrier damage on this incident.

David in Sydney

Doug SA - yes, my thoughts exactly. Fix a fence but let volunteers run across an F1 track mid race to push a car out of the way.


Could it be they did not wish to risk a defeat for Rosberg in Germany? Attendance was low anyway, so they have to think of next year.

GP Back To Adelaide

James, I'm pretty sure that I saw at least one marshall running across the track from the OUTSIDE. I will try to track down the video feed and post it....In any case, there was a marshall pushing at the front of Sutil's car just a metre or so from the racing line, and marshall's have been known to trip over in pressure situations. It was stupidity IMO.

Of course, I could be controversial and say that the only reason there was no safety car today was because there was a German leading the German GP.


I am getting more and more confused by Mr.Whiting.

Bringing the Safety car in the beginning of the race (when nothing was on track and there was no need of Safety car at all) - but later risking marshals....


UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last week we spent 1 hour at Silverstone replacing a slightly warped rail, 10 meters off the track which Kimi had hit............ for supposedly safety reason........then today the race continues FOR ALMOST 4 LAPS with a car blocking 1/3 of the track?????? All because someone wanted to protect Rosberg's lead. THIS IS WHY F1 IS LOSING FANS......BECAUSE THE FIA AND THE STEWARDS TAKE F1 FANS FOR FOOLS. Such blatant duplicity.


This just in.

Charlie Whiting says FRIC Suspension OK after all.

Unrelated other news, All other teams support move for 9-race ban for Mercedes switching brake suppliers back and forth between races.


just reported

Mercedes gain in performance without fric. Stuttgart finalise plans for dominating till 2017.


Yeah, and Lewis and Nico both receives 9-race bans for speeding on track and too much overtakings.


Imagine the uproar if RBR tried the same stunt.


Congrats Nico. A very popular win. The guy is unstoppable. The car aint bad either 😉

Congrats to Valterri also. A good, solid 2nd place again.

Loved the Red Bulls vs Alonso battles too. Hard but fair and very entertaining.

Bummed for Felipe but glad he was OK. Talk about an unlucky driver.

Pretty good race actually. DRS was too much imo but it was close to being OK.


I am growing weary of Rosbergs constant luck (yes I am aware he recently had 1 DNF) but it just seems like Lewis is getting the rough end soooooo much more. I'm not a huge fan of Lewis, I will admit I don't mind the guy and his racing is always marvelous and exciting, but I am getting really sick of the one sided luck this season. Plus I think Rosberg has been supremely lucky in many ways. Funnily enough it was the gain he made by going off track in Montreal that tipped me over the edge. It's just beginning to seem so unfair, especially after yesterday when EVERYONE knows there should have been a safety car, but oh noooo, we can't have Rosberg in any danger of losing.


It wasn't popular with me.


A very popular win. ??

No doubt the german fans that bothered to turn up loved it, but the whole event seemed low key, in complete contrast to Silverstone two weeks ago,

What is it with the German fans. ??

Vettel 4 x WDC on show and Rosberg leading this years WDC and yet very poor attendance, is it that neither has captured the F1 publics imagination.?


Taking the apex from the outside in turn 1 on the first lap isn't unlucky......it's stupid.....Once again Nico needs luck and Charlie on his side. Is there any chance that Charlie is Nico's dad?


Not popular enough to get people to actually turn up to the circuit though...


Why would you not mention Hamilton, the most entertaining driver of the day? Why?

kenneth chapman

@ pkara...a masterclass in overtaking? are you joking? the passes hamilton made were crude and had no class at all. he was just lucky to get away with it. hamilton has no style.


ahh maybe because Alonso/Ricciardo dice was far more entertaining and far higher quality racing than anything 'smash-em-up hamilton' got away with


Exactly Lewis had an awesome race.

True fighting spirit 🙂

Masterclass in overtaking while carrying a damaged front wing.

Magnificent Show by Lewis.

When will Mercedes do a fast Pit stop for Lewis?! Its amazing how they perform the task quicker for The German driver & slightly slower for the British Racer.

Something smells rotten & it ain't the Mustard.

So Come on Lewis Kick Ass in Hungary 🙂


Because someone with a car that is 2 seconds faster than all the cars on the grid is expected to make it to the top two in any case!


Rather a dull parade drive for Rosberg !

Nothing like an easy win. Regarding the "popular win " not exactly a full crowd in attendence for it to be a great win.

Thr story & entertainment came from the rest of the field.


People said Hamilton was unstoppable too after his four wins in a row earlier in the season. Hamilton will go on a run of wins again.


i would have thought Race Director Charlie Whiting should have deploy the Safety Car, when the Sauber spun out and stalled, too dangerous Mr Whiting, “if” someone had died right there what would you have said?

considering your the clown that suggested standing starts for a red flagged race you let this one slid past quite nicely because it suited you and your cronies to have a German win at a German track.

what is the story?

you either want to make the race more interesting or are you just there to make sure it suits your needs?


Yes, this was an inexcusable error by Whiting. Unbelievably negligent. There could have been an atrocious accident.


A red flag for damaged armco barrier but no safety car when a car stoped right in the middle of the racing track.

Unbelievable! What a blatant disregard by whiting regarding the safety of marshals. Shame on you Whiting! I am relatively new to f1 but it is very difficult for fans to understand the sport. Stewards can make any decisions and no one knows why. Sometimes it seems like a kind of lottery. Even commentators sometimes don't exactly know what is happening.

James, this thing is pushing fans away from the sport. What is your opinion and what should be done?



He probably would've changed the rules spontaneously with some ludicrous justification! He's known to do that from time to time.


The race was entertaining nonetheless at the end with the battle of alonso vs riccardo and lewis vs bottas.


Has Massa ever taken (even partly) responsibility for a crash?


@CRP - Not that I can remember mate 😉 He does come across as very bad sportsmanlike sometimes in my opinion. One of the drivers that I have failed to warm to at all really over the years. Just has a bit of an annoying personality.


Wow, and one had hope for a more sensible Massa once he calmed down... but no:


Michael in Sydney

You've got to feel for him. He's been in a few that he couldn't avoid, but Massa does get the award for being in the wrong place at the wrong time a lot. Hungary 2009 - you could see he was in major trouble before he even left the road. I admire his tenacity and courage to fight back and get where he is today.

But when real racing accidents do occur and fault does lie with BOTH drivers involved there is certainly a tendency to declare self-proclaimed complete innocence and express critical disbelief. I guess it's about people's reactions in the heat of the moment.

But he was good and proper in the wrong at Hockenheim. Martin Brundle put it so politely in his coverage that he was "pre-occupied" with letting Bottas go first in Corner 1 that he forgot about the potential for other cars to be coming through directly behind Bottas. I am sure Felipe will recognise this with the joy and power of hindsight: he has been around a few years at this level.


He does seem to be a bit of a liability for the Williams carbon fibre composites department with all the wrecked bits...............

No, I shouldn't be so flippant. Felipe has had accidents on the first lap in AUS, GB and GER that wasn't entirely his fault. For the record, I think the 1st corner incident in GER was 50/50. I think Mini-Mag's lack of experience is partly to blame, but Massa should also know that a car can't just evaporate when turning into a corner!

Point is, its no points for Massa - and points mean prizes.


this guy has always solid arguments 😉

It was very funny to hear him after the race explain how this is solely fault of mag and how he (massa) would back off if he was driving the car behind.

That's exactly how he did with Perez in Canada, didn't he? oh wait, hold on, Massa actually did crash into Perez, now that's interesting.


About the crash with Perez, you should see the video from above. About today no escuses for Massa.


It was a racing incident. just bad luck for massa! nothing more to it.


Bad luck was the spring from Barrichello lego. Massa had enough space outside to make sure he can survive to race. Time with Alonso has cooked his brain. Take the sticker.


I'm calling Massa out on it. He perhaps didn't see KMag as Bottas was in the way but to turn in on the first corner of the race and be surprised when someone crashes into you is just nativity, bewildering for someone of his experience. I still maintain that the Canada crash was his fault, well it definitely wasn't Perez fault anyway. I cringe when Massa tries to overtake.

Once again kids look at Alonso and the Red Bulls for some text book motor racing.


What an exciting race battles through out the grid from start to finish. The season was a bit slow to start with but the last few races have been superb!

Overtake of the race? That has to be between Vettel and Hamilton, they both pulled off double overtakes at the hairpin. Hamilton just edges it for me but I think a few people would disagree.

Battle of the race was between Ricciardo and Alonso. Taking, retaking, defending, cut backs the lot. Edge of the seat stuff.

The question I have is if they had have bought the safety car out for the sutil spin, which I think they should have, could Hamilton have got the win? The pace he was showing on the super soft at the end was superb and the safety car would have sliced Rosberg s lead - unfortunately we will never know


He'd have won, that's why he pitted. Two or three laps behind the safety car. New set of the softer tyres and fourteen laps to get the job done. Unbelievably there was no safety car.


Could it be that Whiting was afraid of the consequences to himself, if his decision caused Rosberg to not win the race? Someone should be asking him.


Ricardo vs alonso was the battle between the guy who doesnt give in vs the guy who doesnt give up!

great young talent coming to the fore Ricardo and Bottas


A pretty eventful race. I am very surprised that there wasn't a safety car for the Sutil spin-out on the pit straight. Remember AUS'12 where Petrov parked it on the pit straight, tucked right up against the wall? SC was deployed then, but today with Sutil's car horizontal and away from the pit wall, there's none?

Speaking of Sutil, what the hell was that move on Hamilton? That was like Schumacher-Villeneuve at Jerez '97! He clearly would have seen him, but he still turns into him?!? The sooner he's out of F1, the better. Him and Gutierrez are useless (Gutierrez's move on Pastor last race was complete madness).

Lewis' contact with Button was the turning point for Lewis today ... without the front-wing damage, he would've taken 2nd on a two-stop. I can understand how he thought that Button was letting him through, not resisting, as he went very deep into Turn 8. Lewis can't just assume though, and he should've been tighter on the exit there to avoid any possible contact.

I am thankful though, that such contact now does not spell the end of someone's race, or at least not like in season's past with the wide front wings. The tires are stronger (less punctures), and the wings don't sustain the same amount of damage from such contacts. It's way better than before.

Now 5-4 between HAM and ROS on wins. Lewis needs to get back on pole for HUN, at the very least the front row (now 3 races not on the front row), and get that 5th win in Hungary. No one on the current grid has 5 wins at the same GP (4 wins each for RAI @ BEL, VET @ JPN, HAM @ HUN). The only drivers ever with 5 or more wins at a single GP are some of the bigs: Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Clark, and G.Hill. Would be nice company to join. 🙂


On Saturday I heard Sutil complaining about how Hamilton spoiled his 'good chances' of qualifying for Q2. I think Sutil is still bitter and vengeful since Hamilton declined to appear as a witness in Sutil's trial over the assault of Lotus team executive Eric Lux back in 2012. Watch out for Adrian Sutil in the coming races!


A lack of a safety car for the Sutil situation makes no sense, totally agree with that. Why jeopardise the safety of the marshalls and drivers? Makes no sense. Charlie Whiting got that call wrong. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he gets it right for the next few races to redeem himself.

As for Lewis, he's pretty handy around Budapest, isn't he! If it wasn't for that puncture in 2008, he may well have won that race too after Massa's engine grenaded itself a few laps from home!

I wonder why Lewis is so mighty around the Hungaroring? Must be something to do with his ability to keep mid corner rotational speed around the twisty sections of the track. I suspect James and Matt Meadows may analyse why Lewis is the "Hungarian Goulash" later this week.


Well Lewis 🙂

Amazing recovery & I reckon


I dont think Bottas deserves to be driver of day as he had it easy.

Lewis came from the back& it was an inspired recovery.

If Lewis did not have a damaged front wing he would had alot more rubber on his tyres. But a damaged front wing put more load on his front tyres & caused them to degrade quicker.

He would have passed Bottas if Lewis did not carry the damage. However fast the Williams was, Lewis would be infront easily.

On another note Mr Stuntman Massa is still doing a good job in wrecking his car, though last time aaround was a great reaction safety crash.


had to have alot of his car rebulit too,soit may not have been setup as he would of liked for the race.lewis has the quali and race pace,things are just not falling into place at the moment.if neither driver has anymore reliability problems this season,i can see lewis winning the wdc,but i think he willhave manymore car problems than nico.sometimes f1 is so predictable,like WWE.


Matias - you mean the Canada where Rosberg gained by not bothering with the corners and Lewis' brakes gave up due to running in dirty air? The stewards can't keep this up all year....it already smells bad


@Brian Bell - I am with you on this one. I really think there is something going on. Nico has just been getting away with EVERYTHING!! Meanwhile Lewis is having brake failures, DNF's not his fault, being forced to share his data with Rosberg, robbed of pole in Monaco and finally yesterday a probable win taken from him by a bias race director who wouldn't put the safety car out. I am getting really sick of it.


look, ROS should be penalized in Canada for that corner cutting, but, you think he come 2nd to that race ONLY because of that? and how about managing his braking issues? can it be that ROS managed better than HAM? could Lewis just lay down a little bit to allow his brakes to cool off? Don't be such a paranoid, the WDC is for them to loose (as much for HAM as for ROS)


ahhh your driver of the day didn't get a damaged front wing by wicked-witch-dust … he suffered said damage through his own poor judgement … not the only incident of such, btw. couldn't possibly be driver of the day.


Even though it was Button's fault?



I think someones been at the magic mushrooms!


Your assertion is laughable. Lewis in the fastest car on track gets driver of the day? His overtaking was at times foolish and true enough he collided with others a few times. He was lucky he did without major damage. The only thing that got him to 3rd was the sheer speed of his car, not him. His car deserves car of the day. He should have taken 2nd but didn't because of his own average performance. But as long as fans with Rose tinted glasses like yourself are here... He's the best eh?


Sorry again James will engage brain before typing.

Best get on the Rat Run Sauna that is London Underground.

Again one apologizes for stepping over into insaneland.


So the car drives itself does it?
Lewis Kicked Ass
He's a British Racer & you only have to see a full Silverstone crowd backing him.


Most of this comment breaks the rules of politeness towards other posters - Please moderate your tone -Mod

kenneth chapman

yes, you're right. give ricciardo a mercedes PU and see where that would leave hamilton?


"The only thing that got him to 3rd was the sheer speed of his car, not him."

Fast car without the driver's skill only gets you ramming a car from behind, and taking both cars out, eg. Kobayashi's car with failed brakes in Australia.

Though yesterday's brake failure had nothing to do with Lewis, I believe his Saturdays will become more productive again, once his boss, Toto, reverses his demand for Lewis' data to go to Rosberg (I know he 'claims' from both drivers) "for the good of the car."


Had = have 🙂

Come on Lewis next race is a Lewis track 🙂


not all the drivers has the spirit to go through the field from last to third, i grant you that, but it's also true that not all of the drivers have the mercedes engine, let alone, the mercedes car!. it's clear you're a HAM Fan, and i won't argue about that, but i would like to see him struggling with a bad car, and starting in the back as ALO did in the british GP. Don't get me wrong, i do think he's one of the best drivers in the field, if not, the best beside ALO, he have spirit, but he also have a great car to couple with his talent...


@ Pkara You're right. He has to win in Hungary. It would be a great way to go into the break. It will also give Nico something to think about.


Sorry predictive text going haywire

Hos = His

Breaks = Brakes

Br = Be

Ofv = Off



Lewis had car issues in Canada he passed Rosberg & he had not breaks.

Hope Lewis gets pole & drives ofv leaving Rosberg in the hands of Bottas et al.

Today was a classic fight from the backend of the grid to br on the podium. Not alot of drivers have the spirit to come throgh the pack.

Rosberg has not had a full on dog fight with Lewis.

If only the pit stops were quicker when Lewis enters the Merc garage & his car wasn't so hampered with troubles he'd be waltzing away.

He'll hopefully have a chance in Hungary. O do hope Rosnerg has at least 2 more DNF just to wipe that cheesy grin off hos face.


as was Canada 😛


1. Aw Aw Massa! How unlucky can you be!?! Wrong place wrong time, it was just a racing incident.

2. It is a bit strange that no safety car was deployed on lap 50 (to safely remove Sutil's car)?

3. Who needs screaming cars? Alonso yet again showed off his racing skills. Great dicing with Ricciardo that was! I am well impressed with the wheel to wheel battles this year. It is the roaring seventies all over again!

4. Next time I'd like to see a proper Mercedes battle between Hamilton and Rosberg. The latter driving a faultless race again.

5. DOTD, Bottas. He gets my fanboost for the next race!


I think the first corner crash was massa's fault. He didn't leave enough room on the inside. For a driver of his experience he should know there may be a car there. Also very disappointing to again see him blaming everyone else.


… and Alonso and Hamilton deserve a boost too!


@NickH maybe, only if the owner of the team prefers Lewis championship over Alonso. Hamilton is a great drivers, but like Rosberg, to be champion, he needs the help from the team (same is true for Alonso, but he didn't needed that bad, he used to race Trulli and Fisichella, great guys both of them, but not a match to Fernando)


He'd probably lose to Lewis again like in 2007 when Lewis was a rookie


can you imagine what would it be if Alonso were driving the other Mercedes? the guy is driving that lemon ferrari very far away for its limits, with a more decent car i would put my money in his 3rd WDC


Anyone else feel that the FIA made an error by not releasing a safety car? I couldn't believe they sent marshals out on the track surface to push a car in. Not to mention good for racing.

Great race to watch though. Exciting.


So.....after the delay of one hr in silverstone, Charlie said that Lauda knows nothing about safety. Today, it was a lot more dangerous and there was no safety car. And people still wonder why F1 is loosing fans. Because it is all manipulated!


+1 AlexD.... nothing to be lost/gained in Silverstone, so they stop the race. Lots to be lost/gained today, so they risk a few lives. From everything that has gone on in the last 20 years in F1....that was a safety car. Hamilton screwed it up by getting a new set of softs before everyone else. SC would have handed him the win

David in Sydney

Too many rules and too many loopholes and exceptions.


Sorry, hadn't seen the prior responses.


All of rosberg's wins this year have come from some kind of faults. He has not beaten Hamilton when they are both on front row. Monaco was dodgy due to nico error. But he's done well to be leading. Luck cannot last all the time!


I agree but Button lucked into a WDC. Still waiting for Rosberg to win a straight fight with no cheating


I'm surprised that the British fans haven't demanded your head yet for saying that about Button...tread carefully.


Very awesome race. So happy for Bottas and Rosberg. But really, again it goes beyond me why Ferrari tends to forget they have 2 cars in the race!!! No heed to Kimi even if he is screaming for a stop!

Seriously James, can you investigate what's going on at Ferrari? It is clear as day somethings wrong there! No driver forgets how to drive. Yes he has had his problems. But the results are not really an indicator. It is beyond me why Ferrari did not get Kimi in the points.

However, a good race for Formula 1 to be honest apart from the absence of the German crowd. We've had some wonderful battles. This season has given us a lot of races and most importantly, assured us a group of young talented racers for the future. People who are cribbing about the sound, should stop listening for farts and start opening their eyes to the action on track!

Ask yourselves... How many great races so far?? We have seen plenty!!


Maybe there is nothing to investigate in Ferrari. It's the same "Serve the money boy and abandon the other guy" policy that Ferrari has been using for years.


Ferrari have built a car suitable to Alonso as hes been there 5 years. I do agree they are watching out for him because they dont want to loose Santander as Fernando may walk this year. Barcelona proved that beyond any shadow of doubt. Monaco also showed when he does not have issues he can still drive but then he gets hit from behind by Chilton during a safety car- & noone saw it or cared-it was unbelievable.

Reliability on Kimis cars has been total rubbish hes had half the track time Nando has. He beat Fernando in a Lotus regularly and he quite often beat him 2005- Again the worst reliability of that era cost Raikkonen 2005 wc and most likely 2003 also. Yet all we see is people kicking a great racer when hes having rotten luck. Same people wrote him off before he came back in 2012 and then kissed his backside when he was challenging for wins...When Kimi starts fighting at the front again I wonder what people will be saying.. Unlike most people if an honest man gives an honest appraisal of something I will always back him & he will succeed. If an a lying and deceitful bloke says something even be it truth- I will always question his motivation because it usually serves some other purpose - thats how it is with Alonso & thats why he will continue to fail..

kenneth chapman

@ sami.... do you seriously believe this? i mean that is simply quite ludicrous. ferrari pay raikonnen mega mega dollars for zip? you are totally mistaken if you believe that. raikonnen has lost it insofar as alonso is streets ahead in the talent stakes. comparatively speaking that is.

ferrari would be better place to 'blood' some new talent and get rid of the old bloke. he is now a liability.


I think the mistake was not changing the front wing as soon as it was damaged (and changing strategy from that moment) and not starting him on supersofts.


They would have lost 10 seconds and more if it didn't come off easily.

David in Sydney

Yes, it's a great season with some great tech that will filter down to road cars, but STILL people complain about the noise and say that it's not F1...


Well clearly fans who knew of the old F1 don't like it, maybe you're not one of them? I don't know. I think figures speak for themselves, and judging from the dwindling tv audiences + sparse hockenheim crowd, a lot of people don't like this F1. That's why they will definitely be having a summit meeting in the not too distant future to discuss the sports future direction, as they've realised that these extremely unnecessary (very very expensive) and restrictive regulations weren't quite the golden ticket.

I still don't understand why people get so much satisfaction from the 'tech filtering down to road cars' argument?! Do you get goosebumps thinking about the possible improvements in road car technology when you watch F1? I'd rather listen to a n/a V10 throwing out well over 900hp thanks. Unless you're planning on purchasing a Laferrari anytime soon, none of this technology will really make any impact on what car companies like Toyota and Nissan already know and have done. Ask them if they need F1 to develop hybrid technology and they would most probably laugh at you.


Kimi was on a 2 stopper, but with other cars hitting him resulting in a damaged front wing, He couldn't do 2 stops. After the vettel/Alonso incident where he was basically squeezed, his left tyre had more degradation than other 3, and hence his pace fell away towards the end. He could have finished may be p8/9 without that. But as he said, "it seems like entire world is against us", apparently that's what is happening. Nothing seems working for him.


Am I correct in thinking HAM was running today with the unfavoured (for him) Carbon Industrie brakes? If so, he seemed to cope with them pretty well - yes there were a couple of lockups but he was pushing pretty hard....


Hamilton grew up on CI and loves them, in fact he made Mercedes use them as a part of him joining the team so it is no surprise he was fine with them on Sunday. That is why it was odd for me to hear that he was using Brembos on Saturday because in the past he would refuse to use anything BUT CI... Hmm I would love to read a James Allen report on all the differences between the 3 brakes/suppliers I find the technical stuff fascinating! Apparently Brembo have been having quite a few issues of late with their brake discs failing so I would love to know what is going on there as well. Don't know much about the American supplier but they are supposed to be bloody good brakes as well ! (as you would imagine in F1 I suppose 😛 )


Hamilton grew up on CI .....

When Hamilton was at McLaren they used Akebono disks - these are exclusive to McLaren so he cannot use them now he is at Mercedes.


A walk in the park for Rosberg from pole! A very good recovery by Hamilton which would have been second only for the contact with Button. Bottas drove a very measured race to secure second place against a damaged Merc so well done to him. Great drive from Alonso in a much inferior car to finish second.


"Great drive from Alonso in a much inferior car to finish second."

Which race were you watching? Alonso finished fifth, between the RB's, in a car which has been equal in pace to the RB's for the last few GP's. He finished pretty much where he should have.


“Great drive from Alonso in a much inferior car to finish second.” This mantra is one of the most popular ones amongst F1 pundits and one should accept casual viewers starting to use it too. Thing is, the fact that Ferrari camp themselves believes it works already against them for few years and it has sunk in to their skin creating an effect where they built a car where their losers attitude has built in.


I think the Ferrari was slower overall but faster where it counted, traction out of the courners. The Red Bulls lost 20 or 30 metres out of the slow corners. That Renaul PU is a joke. That is why Vettel got stuck behind Alonso after his second stop even though he was on the much faster tyre.


"a car that can’t even do a stint on tyres without wrecking them"

You people need to stop repeating whatever Alonso tells you. Alonso did a 3 stop strategy, the same as Vettel and Ricciardo. The lap time data does not support the idea that his car was "wrecking" his tyres. He has a car which is basically identical in performance to the RB.


No way Ferrari is as good a car as Red Bull. I'm sure Alonso would be happy to switch seats with VET or RIC.

FormulaEDiary (Anil Parmar)

Equal Red Bull's in the last few races? Good luck proving that mate. The only track the Ferrari has been faster than the Bull's at was China; it's nowhere near everywhere else. For him to finish ahead of Ricciardo and be ahead of Vettel at times in a car that can't even do a stint on tyres without wrecking them is remarkable.


Rosberg is just getting to be too solid for Hamilton, he is probably a bit quicker, but making errors quite often.


Oh, come on! Hamilton making errors?

Bad luck again in qualifying, with a brake failure, and then he cuts through the pack from 20th like a knife through butter. You don't overtake that many cars in a race without picking up some damage on the car. If the stewards had done what they should have done and there'd been a second safety car, he'd have been challenging for the lead. The luck is still, on balance, going Rosberg's way in spite of the DNF at Silverstone.


Is Ricciardo fighting for the WC? No. Obviously Lewis has a lot more to lose by not getting every single point available when he can't win. This is why Lewis is likely to be more desperate with overtakes when his teammate and ONLY title rival is winning a race. This doesn't apply to Ricciardo at all so I have no idea why you make the comparison. Also 15th to 6 is not the same as 20 to 3rd. Odd comparison


Hamilton carries a baggage from previous races to next one and he just can`t live in a moment to judge ongoing situations fluently. He says qualifying was another gift to Rosberg. What gift? And then he uses Raikkonen to stop in time to take the corner. He drives like someone guaranteed him something just to find out he has to work for a result. He just keep making the same mistake and Rosberg is good enough to exploit it. He is just lucky Vettel can not defend his title and he is got only Rosberg who benefits from it.

kenneth chapman

ricciardo went from 15th to 6th in a sparkling exciting drive and how much damage he sustain? zippedy doo dah.


Name one error Hamilton made this weekend that cost him the race win?


What Gazza said.



Lewis insisted on being able to have Carbone Industrie discs not the Brembo that failed. So both Nico and Lewis swap between the brands.

Nico had Brembo's on the front too, which he swapped in pard ferme as well, nearly causing the other teams to protest.

Doesn't quite fit with your agenda but Lewis,s input gave Mercedes that option.



It was stated in another post that Lewis insist on different brand of brakes to remind him of his McLaren.


Oh Sebee, you've just thrown any credibility you ever had out of the window. And Cheesy, did those moments of minimal contact cost him the win? Possibly cost him second place, but without them he may have finished somewhere further down the field.


How about crashing into multiple people while making his way through the field? Guaranteed Rosberg would have made it to 3rd at least even 2nd without hitting anyone.


Insisting on different brand brakes.


he didnt make any errors this weekend.and nico was making mistakes earlier in the season,quite often actually.

alexander supertramp

Well, errors/bad luck.. bottom line,the performance is too inconsistent. He has not had a normal week-end since Spain. I'm sure he's quicker (defnitely on sunday), but this has not been translated in the results.


I'm not a Lewis fan, but to be fair, with equal mechanical failures Lewis would be leading the WDC, and by quite a margin. If nico gets a DNF next race and starts 20th the following one he will be 18-25 points behind.

David in Sydney

HAM just needs to win the final (double points) race of the season and he'll be OK...


Turtle and hare?

Perhaps Lewis' speed and pushing harder is contributing to errors and failures. Example, bet you Lewis was harder on the PU today than Nico upfront in clean air. Will that shorten this PUs life in the middle of GP?

Littlest things are hindering Lewis. Call it luck with the brakes but it was his demand too.


Ok so now your saying should driver slower & keeping running seccind.. Great that will win him the championship for sure


You need to read a little more about the facts before posting silly comments about brakes and Lewis "demands"!!!




No Gazza, I don't. But there has to be something about Lewis that explains these issues. It is well documented over his carrier that he has had many, perhaps goferet has the stat. There can't simply be this dark cloud hanging over him aandwe chuck it all to bad luck. He has to be making decisions that causes issues. And/or his driving style or speed is contributing to his failures in some shape and form.


Seebee, you really do have it for Lewis don't you. LOL!

And yes it was just luck with the brakes, both Nico and Lewis swap there discs to Brembo or Carbone Industrie depending on race preference.

Lewis's discs were brand new so what do you expect him to do, not press the pedal so hard.!


Luck....lol....He is racing a slower team mate who has the blessing of the stewards to do what needs to be done.....Did you think marshalls running on the track between cars was the pinnacle of safety?.


Excellent work by Bottas again but I do feel bad for Massa - at the end of the year it will look as if he was crushed by his younger teammate but with 3 first lap smashes it's not entirely Massa's driving on trial!

And at least we know how to generate fun - just ensure Alonso and Vettel are close together - their personal dislike and equal levels of refusing to brake first ensures entertainment. If only we'd get one year of them as teammates - that's probably a guaranteed battle every GP...


I don't think it's a coincidence that Massa keeps having these first lap crashes. He just doesn't seem to be aware of what's going on around him. Does anyone else remember the start line footage from his Ferrari days when Rob Smedley is basically talking him through the start -- which way to turn, where the cars are, etc. no other driver seems to need that level of nannying at the start.


@ Dutch Johhny

"Alonso vetoed vettel to not join ferrari. Even confirmed by alonso worshipper andrew benson of the bbc" - yes yes vettel is such a genius and Alonso is feared by the abilites vettel have shown in 2014.

Do not kid yourself, vettel is a very average pilot who was flattered by the quickest car. Ricciardo chastens vettel wee-in and week-out again in this race vettel somehow evaded the first corner incident which yielded him the P4 not his pace or his racecraft. Ricciardo was unlucky had to run outwide to miss the collision and lost places at the start yet drove a superb comeback race and his racecraft looks miles better than vettel already

On a serious note no pilot in the grid will veto vettel joining their team, Even the chilton's and Erriccson's can beat vettel easily in the same car

Alonso never feared vettel nor anyone else in the grid and 2014 has even more confirmed how good a pilot vettel is, Bianchi will have vettel for the lunch in the same marussia


Vettel vetoed Alonso in Red Bull.

Alonso would destroy Vettel as he is destroying Kimi, and I consider that Kimi is better than Sebastian.


Get your facts straight. Alonso vetoed vettel to not join ferrari. Even confirmed by alonso worshipper andrew benson of the bbc...


Personally, seeing their relative performance this years, Seb wouldn't stand a chance in a neutral team.

H.Guderian (ALO fan)



No safety car for sutils car anyone would think they didnt want bunch the pack up and leave lewis right behind the leaders on fresh tires just in case he actually managed to get passed them .


yeah yeah yeah, there's nothing the FIA won't be willing to try to stop HAM of becoming champion.. yeah.. come on HAM FANS, stop with your paranoid!


I'd really like to understand why there was no safety car. I think it was less to do with Hamilton and more to do with the empty seats in the grandstands.


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Good drive by Lewis, very entertaining and determined. Efficient but easy win for untroubled Rosberg. Bottas is one to watch, no doubt.

Could have been a very different race for Lewis and Nico had the safety car been issued. Rather strange that it wasn't. I had that distinct feeling that it woud not be, because it would have threatened the home favourite. Did Whiting botte it? Is he susceptible to that sort of pressure?

alexander supertramp

Car ON track and in a corner is always a safety car. The sight of those Marshalls running across the track, brrr. This was not ok. Charlie will have to motivate this decision and I'm counting on reporters (like James) to call him on the spot.


Bit confused - marshells did croas the track & it's pretty obvious why the safety car was not called out........

Not trying to put any conspiracy out there or nutton like that but that was a clear SC situation.

Solid drive by Bottas saved his tyres, while Hamilton used up his catching then held position a very sensible race. excellent & entertaining drive by Hamilton (shame about the Button incident - surely Button was aware he was there and was much faster can't understand why he turned in)

Massa needs to stop - is spatial awareness is gone, that crash was horrific I was genuinely concerned for his well being imo it was his fault

Could have been a great race between the mercs though if it weren't for those pesky brakes.

Ahwell....... Back to the lottery for Hamilton needs 2 wins to even things back up again.


Torchwood Five

I'm getting the feeling that McLaren have no-one on the pit wall telling Button what cars are around him, like other teams do.

FormulaEDiary (Anil Parmar)

I feel for Massa...He just doesn't have it anymore. He isn't as sharp as he used to be imo. It reminds me of Rubens and David Coulthard in their later years. I'd much rather see a Kobayashi or Bianchi in the second williams.


Kobayashi seems to be a long shot (i really like him, but i just can't see him driving for Williams) and Bianchi? he is already showing Kimi the door! Felipe is blistering fast for some moments, but sometimes he just don't seem to bother who's next to him (even when in Canada was clearly Checo's fault)


What ever the argument he needs to be removed from the grid asap.

The Perez crash was bad, but today could have ended fatally.

Said it a few races ago - his time is up!


James, I am not a Kimi fan, but Ferrari repeated the error [or is it deliberate?] of keeping Kimi out on track long after his tyres are cooked. He was again, as in previous races, undercut by people he had already passed on track. Strategy sent him backward in the race.

I think they keep him out so Alonso can pit first for the second stint. We see before, that they protect Alonso from Raikkonen, but Kimi's pace was much slower than Fernando and he could not have threatened Alonso. So why do Ferrari want to finish Kimi out of the points instead of much nearer to Alonso.

Today Kimi could have finished at p8 or p7 with strategy, even though he had damage etc.


I think this time the issue was that they run out of fresh and unused tyres. So they kept both drivers longer. At least in the case of Alonso´s last pit stop it was because of that. But I do not know if that´s the case every race. The thing I can´t understand from Kimi is his qualy position. If Alonso is in P7 then Kimi could be in P6 or P8 or something like it.


They kept Alonso out too long also... He lost a ton of time before his last stop ending up 10 seconds behind Vettel and even behind Daniel. Kimi just is no match. That's your answer.


Alonso had to stop a lap later for his last pit stop because Kimi was there, I don't think they do it on purpose, they seem to be that bad, im afraid.


I think kimi is there just to collect his paycheck and retire soon. Can't see him beat alonso in quali which represents the speed of a driver.

David in Sydney

KIM should bank the cash then off to America or WEC...


Its pretty normal for Ferrari to botch up strategy race after race. But today was unlucky for Kimi. He was on a 2 stopper, but the damage front wing started eating his left front tyre, which is why he had to be switched to a 3 stopper. But they didn't change the front wing!, so he had to nurse the tyres till the end, instead of attacking for the rest of the race. That's an epic Ferrari botch. And there will be few more to go as the season goes on. It quiet clear team only cares about one car, instead of two.


The front wing was Kimi's call. He would be feeding back on how it felt and would have said he wanted a new one if it was so detrimental.


Hamilton had a very scrappy afternoon. Contact with Raikkonen, contact with Button and when it mattered couldn't get past a slower car of Bottas in the front.There is no reading this guy.

His form is like a pendulum. One day he is sensational and the other day he makes silliest of mistakes.

In Hollywood terms, I say Hamilton would win an Oscar as well as a Razzie for his driving 😀

He better buck up if he wants to win the WDC


Most seem to think he did well today, and the Williams of Bottas has been the fastest car in the speed traps most races this season, I'm sure if Hamilton won the race and lapped the whole field some posters would still find fault, not saying you would do that of course. Hamilton is not hard to read, he is a racer and wears his heart on his sleeve at times, maybe it's just a veiled dig really.

In the 40 or so years I have watched F1 minimal contact has often happened during battles,people used to see it as part of the racing but some are a bit precious about it these days. Vettel and Alonso squeezed Kimi during one pass today and broke his front wing but Kimi knows that's racing, hopefully so do the fans....mostly.


Cliches are so because often they are true. The only person to whine about contact with Hamilton was Button who has since retracted his statement. That says an awful lot.


Has a Hamilton fan you have to get used to it. LOL!

He seems to be like marmite you either love him or loathe him

However I think anti mob are just a very noisy minority. At Silverstone the support for Lewis was massive, even fans of other drivers had respect. For some reason on-line forums seem to attract the football team fan level of animosity that you don,t find in general.

kenneth chapman

ouch!!! there's that awful cliche again, and i thought ot had disappeared....silly me.


The WDC sandwich was the iconic moment from today's race: Vettel-Raikonnen-Alonso. Total WDC = 7!


Yes, what a load of silly mistakes it took to work his way up the field from 20th to 3rd. If we'd had the second safety car--like there should have been--two more silly mistakes and he'd have been in the lead.


he is so poor and yet you paid all your attention to him.


I wasnt downplaying his performance.

With a car like this, no matter where he started, he had a strong possibility of a podium finish. The point is, unlike other top drivers, Hamilton is racing for the WDC this season. Wouldnt serve his cause well if he had another retirement due to a race incident now.would it?

Aggression mixed with caution would do him so some good.



That Alonso and Vettel 'laughed about it over a pie and pint', after Silverstone....

True, or just some commentator artistic license?


They seem to really dislike each other, at least on track.


The latter, but they did both enjoy it.

F1 drivers don't eat pies...


"f1drivers don't eat pies..."

Juan Pablo Montoya says hi...!


Apart from humble pie James!


I feel for Hamilton,he gave it all against odds,he knew the script was written soon after he won the last race,and please did anybody notice why Lewis pit stops are above 3 sec.+?.

The sooner Lewis text Ron Dennis or L d M the better it would be for Lewis and F1 fans at large and

show what the talent he is.


Average pitstops were 3secs today.


Hamilton's pit stops were all quicker than Rosbergs in this race.


3 marshals definitely ran across the track James. Bad call from Charlie this time I think.


It's clear at this point that the Williams is the second best car on the grid, so I'm no longer surprised to see one on the front row or the podium. Good drive by Bottas, but not exceptional.

If McLaren thought the FRIC ban would help them, they were proven wrong.

German fans don't seem to be nearly as jingoistic as their English counterparts. Their reaction to a German driver winning the German GP in a German car was very muted. Of course they win World Cup's, so perhaps they have other means of getting a nationalistic fix.


They probably consider Rosberg Monégasque, and the Brackley and Brixworth built Mercs not really that German either.


They perhaps wanted Vettel to win it or may be like Hamilton, they don't consider Rosberg a proper German 😀


Rosberg himself claimed to be a Finn during the post race press conference.

Q: (Heikki Kulta - Turun Sanomat) Valtteri, your target for this year was a podium; now you’ve got a hat-trick of them. How surprised are you with this success, because it’s not so usual for Finnish drivers to get three podiums in a row?


NR: I got 3 in a row.

Seems Nico has most nationalities covered. I read somewhere that his Grandfather was an Aussie and Grandmother a Pom. Dont remember where I read it now...


Williams was the second best car in winter testing too, don't forget so for them to still be holding on now after 10 races against better funded teams is impressive


They do have the brilliant Pat Symonds at the helm in the aero department. Pat is brilliant at refining a competitive car all season long - Renault 2005/2006 being a good example.

Pat said he was surprised at just how good the Williams aero facilities, and how he couldn't believe Frank and Claire's team had exploited their resources to better effect. Well, better late than never - they are making up for the last few poor seasons!

Has to be said, Bottas has matured superbly into a clean, consistent driver who delivers. Driver of the day? Has to be a contender.


I know it's nitpicking, but Ricciardo actually ended up 15th by the time the safety car was out, which does highlight how good a job he did to almost get 5th in the 3rd fastest car



Brilliant race as ever in 2014, this is really turning into a great season.

How concerned are you that double points in Abu Dhabi will decide the title? I have absolutely no preference as to who wins it, but can't help hoping that either Rosberg or Hamilton makes a break in the championship, to avoid the risk of this so far epic year being forever tarnished.


Eish! Have kinda forgotten about that. It would be terrible if double points drastically alters the end of season flow of things.

Most likely something F1 andbFIA can afford less and less


the double points will be insignificant if the championship remains close. it may only be significant if the contenders go into the final race more than 7 points apart and less than 14 points apart.


Very concerned, it's a very poor idea

I agree this was a great race with lots of good action and story lines

We've had some terrific races this year, regardless of all the negativity put about by some

Torchwood Five

I'm not that worried about the double points in the last race.

As I understand it, the idea was to appease the Abu Dhabi promotors that their race would not be irrelevant if there was a runaway championship leader like Vettel last year before we reached their race.

I'm expecting us to arrive there, and the double points idea to be dropped.

Torchwood Five

I'm not that worried about the double points in the last race.

As I understand it, the idea was to appease the Abu Dhabi promotors that their race would not be irrelevant if there was a runaway championship leader like Vettel last year before we reached their race.

I'm expecting us to arrive there, and the double points idea to be dropped.


Fully agree.

Some of the comments about the state of F1 are very strange and I think another agenda is at play. Perhaps to remove certain individuals from decision making roles.

Earlier this year I had serious issues with the noise or lack of. But having experienced two races live, while it is very muted it's still Formula One and I'm certainly going to at least one race next season. I will admit however that if these races were boring with these cars then that might make things different.

The poor attendance isn't helped by the very high cost of tickets. But Germany is usually one of the better value races. I think it's more to do with the absence of Schumacher and limited appeal of Rosberg and even Vettel in Germany.

FormulaEDiary (Anil Parmar)

Well put James. We've had GREAT racing this year; in part because the tyres (at least the mediums and hards) seem to allow drivers to really push hard and DRS seems to offset any speed loss suffered by a following car. This season has definitely had the best racing since 2010; battles last for laps and laps and not just a few corners.

I also love how the classic race tracks have provided great racing. Watching cars battle for position at silverstone through sections like Luffield and copse was breathtaking. Hopefully the FIA take note and realise the sport doesn't need silly gimmicks.


Agree I think the double points is the most ridiculous idea F1 has come up with and one that could and may move F1 into the ridiculous.

Great race...

LH is the PT of ChampCARS (Sorry a bit old)...

Great action.... today.

regarding LH... if it was earlier in the season he would have gotten a stop and go... no question for me .. especially on the KR pass... on the JB clash button was most at fault... that was a strange line. but having said that the car following cant just ram everyone out of the way...

At the end of the day I rather see LH being forceful PT style... makes for an exciting race.


James, I think racing was indeed very good this year. There were races where we have seen a phenomenal, close battles, really on the limit. I have to admit that I wish to hear the real roar of powerful engines and avoid artificial rules, like double points. Fuel saving is not F1....


had merc not bought ham in when sutil parked on the grid, lewis would have been p2, bringing him early meant he had to run too long in the final stint and by the time he caught bottas he didnt have the traction to overtake in the drs zone, however p3 from p20 was a solid drive and its only a few points difference

alexander supertramp

I agree, but Lewis/Merc just had to take the sc gamble. I'm not even sure it was a gamble, the sc always had to come out.


Agreed. Why didn't it?


Fab race the German race turned out to be for it was both a strategic battle plus a battle on track as people were on different strategies.

Job well done to Rosberg for giving the home fans something more to celebrate, hopefully wins such as this will sell more tickets in the future.

Ice cool performance from Bottas, he too didn't put a foot wrong and brought in more valuable points for the team

As for Massa, seeing as his fortunes aren't turning for the better, perhaps the team should give Suise a try.

Storming race by Lewis from the back, considering the fact he had to make his way past some tough customers such as Maldonado.

Yes it's was unfortunate about the front wing damage but at least he scored some good points.

Vettel had a nice quiet race without any troubles though that podium place is still AWOL.

Nice battle between Alonso and Ricciardo for it showed that Alonso really can't sleep calmly no more for at Red Bull, he's no longer fighting Newey & Vettel but now Ricciardo too.

Last but not least, congrats to the Hulk, Jenson and especially Mini-mag for scoring some points considering the fact Mini-mag ended at the back of the grid after the first lap.


You're right about Felipe baby.

He qualifies at the back at Silverstone and he has a first lap shunt, and now he qualifies at the front for Hockenheim and still has a first lap shunt! I'm not implying it was all his fault - it wasn't - but Massa is starting to have a remarkable predisposition for shunts.............. Damned if you do, damned if you don't! I don't believe in luck per se, but I do believe in Einstein's theory that you can be in the wrong place at the wrong time (theory of relativity?), and Felipe is certainly prove that theory correct..............

Bottas on the other hand, who was superb all weekend, is Einstein's theory that you can be in the right place at the right time............what's that old cliche, when everything is working for you properly, everything just falls into place?

Susie to drive in a race or two..............Toto could have a quiet word in Frank's ear...........and you never know in this F1 game. Remember 5 years ago this upcoming weekend Felipe was dreadfully hurt in that freak accident, so a driver can never assume that the next race will be better................

Again, Felipe Hungary 2009...............wrong place, wrong time?


I think this crash was massa's fault. As an experienced driver he should know a car may be on the inside. Becoming annoying that he always blames someone else. Think of the crashes with Lewis a few years ago and with perez this year, he never accepts some responsibility, I like him but this constant blaming of someone else is becoming tiring.


@ Gaz Boy

Agreed and unlike Felipe baby, somebody like the Hulk tends to be in the right place at the right time, something Alonso is good at too.


"Storming race by Lewis from the back"

Given the immense superiority of his car it was not that impressive, especially when you factor in his numerous collisions along the way and his inability to get past Bottas over the course of 40 laps.

"Vettel had a nice quiet race without any troubles though that podium place is still AWOL"

He has two podium places this season.


Vettel took a piece of Raikkonen's wing. Barging his way through with absolutely zero skill. Useless driver with 4 undeserved championships handed to him on a plate.

These guys are going at 200 mph, sometimes with less than an inch to spare. The fact that there was only minimal damage in the braking zones is testament to the skill of Hamilton, Vettel, Raikkonen, Alonso, Ricciardo etc.


gofert, a number of drivers did longer stints on their tyres, including Button, Hulk, and Bottas.


@ Steve S

Lol... For sure the Mercedes car is superior but the fact that despite the ban of FRIC Lewis made his tyres last longer than anybody whilst still getting good performance from them qualifies his drive as impressive.


who would have bet last year that williams could be second best team

alexander supertramp

Really thrilled for Williams but annoyed by Massa. Not saying all the bad results have been his fault, but Williams would be very close to RB in the standings with a consistent driver like say Hülkenberg.


Seeing Felipe's results, cant't help but think Fernando could be fighting for the WDC in that car!


absolutly agree