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Rosberg claims home pole position as Hamilton crashes out
Posted By: Justin Hynes  |  19 Jul 2014   |  2:29 pm GMT  |  236 comments

Mercedes’ Nico Rosberg took pole position for his home grand prix as title rival Lewis Hamilton crashed out early in the session. The Briton finished the session in 16th position.

Rosberg will be joined on the front row by Williams’ Valtteri Bottas with team-mate Felipe Massa in third place ahead of Kevin Magnussen, who continued McLaren’s recent good form.

“I had a difficult start because I didn’t really feel comfortable with the balance in the braking zones but that gradually improved through the sessions,” said Rosberg. “The quickest lap at the end was really a good one. So I’m really happy to start from the top position here at our home Grand Prix.

“But I can’t be too pleased about today because of the accident Lewis suffered, I’m glad he is fine. I would have preferred to have the normal fight for the pole with him.”

Hamilton’s accident came 10 minutes into Q1 when the Mercedes driver was in P2 on the timesheet behind Williams’ Valtteri Bottas and chasing an improvement. Hamilton braked for the Sachskurve but his front-left wheel locked up and he was immediately pitched into the barriers at high speed. Hamilton was quickly on the radio informing his team that he was unhurt but that “something made the brakes fail.”

With his W05 having sustained  damage in the impact, it was the end of the Briton’s session. His best Q1 time of 1:18.683 was in the end good enough for 16th place in qualifying. If the damage to his car is not sufficient to require a major rebuild, Hamilton will start from 15th place once Esteban Gutierrez, who qualified in 14th place, takes the three-place grid penalty he incurred at Silverstone.


Nico Rosberg Mercedes

The session resumed nine minutes later and Rosberg was one of the first out, as the German had not yet set a time. He moved into P1 with his first flying lap, outpacing Bottas by six tenths of a second.

The time, set on supersofts, was good enough to see him through to Q2 in P1, followed by Red Bull Racing’s Daniel Ricciardo and Sebastian Vettel, and in fourth place Vallteri Bottas, whose time of 1:18.215 was set on soft tyres.

Eliminated, in order, after Q1 were Marcus Ericsson, who failed to set a time due to a hydraulic problem discovered in advance of the session, Marussia’ Max Chilton, Kamui Kobayashi in the second Caterham, Lotus’ Pastor Maldonado, Jules Bianchi in the second Marussia and Sauber’s Adrian Sutil.

Rosberg was again quickest in Q2, his time of 1:17.109 deemed good enough to see him through to the top-10 shootout. Bottas was close again, however, the Finn taking second in the segment with a time just over two tenths shy of the championship leader’s. Bottas’ Williams team-mate Felipe Massa was fourth ahead of Sebastian Vettel, while Kevin Magnussen, continued to find his way to the middle of the top 10, as he has done all weekend.


It was a less happy tale for team-mate Jenson Button who failed to make it through to Q3. His time of 1:18.193 was just under four tenths down on his team-mate and only good enough for P11.

Also suffering by comparison with a team-mate was Jean-Eric Vergne. The Frenchman could only manage P13 behind Kimi Raikkonen, while Toro Rosso team-mate Daniil Kvyat took ninth place in the segmen. It’s the third race weekend in a row on which the young Russian has beaten Vergne in qualifying, though in the Frenchman’s defence the gap between the two was just 0.182.

Also ruled out after Q2 were Sauber’s Esteban Gutierrez in 14th place and Lotus’ Romain Grojean who took 15th ahead of the non-running Hamilton.


In the final segment Rosberg made his intentions clear with his first run. The German set a ferociously quick time of 1:16.540 and with Bottas’s first run yielding a time half a second shy of the Mercedes man’s, any ambition making a challenge for pole evaporated.

Bottas put in a valiant effort with his final run and shaved over two tenths off his previous time but it was only good enough to cement his front row position behind Rosberg, as Massa failed to make a significant move.

Behind them Magnussen rose to an excellent fourth place for McLaren ahead of Ricciardo who, as ever, left his best for last, eclipsing team-mate Vettel by three tenths of a second.

With Vettel sixth, seventh place went to Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso. Kvyat improved on provisional P9 to claim eighth place in the session ahead of the Force Indias of Nico Hulkenberg and Sergio Perez.

2014 German Grand Prix – Qualifying Result
1 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:17.631 1:17.109 1:16.540 17
2 Valtteri Bottas Williams 1:18.215 1:17.353 1:16.759 15
3 Felipe Massa Williams 1:18.381 1:17.370 1:17.078 21
4 Kevin Magnussen McLaren 1:18.260 1:17.788 1:17.214 17
5 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing 1:18.117 1:17.855 1:17.273 19
6 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing 1:18.194 1:17.646 1:17.577 16
7 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:18.389 1:17.866 1:17.649 19
8 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 1:18.530 1:18.103 1:17.965 22
9 Nico Hulkenberg Force India 1:18.927 1:18.017 1:18.014 21
10 Sergio Perez Force India 1:18.916 1:18.161 1:18.035 21
11 Jenson Button McLaren 1:18.425 1:18.193 15
12 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:18.534 1:18.273 13
13 Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso 1:18.496 1:18.285 14
14 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber 1:18.739 1:18.787 14
15 Romain Grosjean Lotus 1:18.894 1:18.983 14
16 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:18.683 5
17 Adrian Sutil Sauber 1:19.142 8
18 Jules Bianchi Marussia 1:19.676 8
19 Pastor Maldonado Lotus 1:20.195 7
20 Kamui Kobayashi Caterham 1:20.408 7
21 Max Chilton Marussia 1:20.489 9
22 Marcus Ericsson Caterham

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Just when it all looked like we were on for a fair fight this happens, I think it would have been a wafer thin gap between Nico and Lewis at the end.

This may be the worst race yet for Lewis to have such a failure, the Williams' look very fast, and even though the Mercs tend to stretch their legs on race day I think he'll have a very tough job getting up into second behind Nico. I expect the gap after this race to be back up to about 15 points.


Hamilton Post quali interview "Nico has got another gift". Just when u feel sorry for him, he puts out another ridiculous statement.

Sorry did Lewis not get a "gift" in British GP? Even if He beat Rosberg with strategy, he would be 22 points behind instead of only 4!

How many retirements and mechanical failures did Rosberg have compared to Lewis in 2013? Many more "gifts" to Lewis.

Champions make their own luck, Lewis needs to drop these silly statements and just drive.


And yet again someone goes to the trouble of slaying Lewis for saying something that is clearly true! Give it a rest Ahmed...


Do you read every little word Lewis says and jump on it. Lighten up be a fan and enjoy. Lewis was not put on this earth to please you or me.



He's not wrong... Ask yourself what would your response be in the same situation, I would have called the team out and demanded the brake guy be changed - is there a point to being diplomatic in these situations.

That's 2 brake issues this season so far and 1 suspected ( the spin a couple of races ago is suspect imo)

Brake failure is not something you'd expect to suffer during quali when you've had 3 practice sessions without incident. (brundle did a Murray on him)

The session was tight 50/50 regards who would have got pole - this was a gift from the racing, gods.

Its also a confidence knocker - if it had happened at the end of the long straight, the heaviest braking point it's kinda understandable plus the longer run off may have saved the car.

But were it happened after that sweeping right hander must have been scary - 100g's must hurt- That turn is hard enough without issues.

Compared with Kimi's shunt last week and how he suffered today's race does not bode well for Hamiltons chances ref a recovery. A re-build on top of no confidence in your brakes... Phew!

Damage limitation today. Let's hope he has a good race .


A crack in the strong mental attitude?


True though..


We will see again that it doesn't really matter where this Merc qualifies - barring problems it's a 1-2 in the bag. Hamilton 5th by end of lap 2, 2nd after first round of pitstops and then will turn engine down as Nico will be 20secs up the road.


brake failure could return at lap2.


5th by lap 2?!?! Even if he was starting 15th, that would be nigh on impossible on this track. Seeing as he's likely starting from pit lane, it will be hard slogging to get to 2nd, seeing how good Williams look. Safety cars will be needed for Lewis to make a quick recovery.

Let's recall that after Rosberg dropped back to sixth on the first lap in China, that it took him near three-quarters of the race to claw his way back up to second. And that was when their dominance over the others was at its height.


Seems the pendulum has swung back again...


Wait and see. It will be very interesting.


For top teams this Bottas guy has to be the target. Has the right number of letters in his name and everything.



That was the joke! But we call him Kimi mostly and Lewis...6 is the letter limit. Even the great German, shortened to Schumi.


Bottas is already in a top team! 🙂

Whether or not that stays the case next year remains to be seen. But if you were in his shoes would you take a gamble by moving to Ferrari or McLaren?

If Williams continue performing like this I can only see Martini increasing their sponsorship package - which will be needed if they're to have a chance of out-develop the likes of Red Bull and Ferrari next year, as one would expect both Renault and Ferrari will have learned from this years issues - interesting times ahead that's for sure. Hmm maybe next year the livery will look as good from a distance as it does close up 🙂


Six?. Tell me why this is right number please.


All the champions on the grid have 6.

Has anyone told Räikkönen that he's had his 2007 WDC taken away?


karthikeyan? oh, sorry 😀











Nelson Piquet



Haknen 😉

Raikkn 😉



No, I don't get it either.









It's uncanny!





All the champions on the grid have 6. 😉

But seriously, with a few exceptions there is something to a cool short name in F1.


Wont Hamilton move up to 15th when Gutierrez takes his grid penalty?


Assuming thereare no power unit parts that have to be replaced, and Mercedes can rebuild the car in time for the race. So we'll find out for sure closer to the race.


Yes, it says that in the article!


It didn't say it when I posted that 😉


Yikes! That was a big shunt for Lewis. Glad to see he is OK. A front right brake failure was identified as the issue. From replays, that makes sense as the rear axle had locked and the rear wheels had stopped rotating, which is consistent with a front brake failure.

It seems to me that with FRIC being banned, a lot of teams are running with a higher ride height. This of course results in a loss of downforce, affects the aerodynamic centre of pressure quite significantly and affects the car regarding a clean, consistent airflow. Ultimately, put those issues together with very high track temperatures, and it's clear to see drivers are struggling for grip. I would also imagine the suspension on the cars has had to be stiffened, to reduce roll, but of course causing a very harsh ride and its noticeable most cars seem to react quite violently over the bumps. The poor drivers spines!

Bottas is doing well, isn't he? I have to keep reminding myself he has only 1.5 years of F1 driving behind him! Having said that, Williams deserve credit too, obviously those all nighter shifts at the wind tunnels are paying dividends. They really have a well sorted aerodynamic package that in combination with the grunt of the Merc V6, is possibly going to give them a great 2nd half of the season. Time well tell.

Weirdly, qualifying may be irrelevant tomorrow. If - big if - the predicted heavy thunderstorms arrive in time to saturate the track, then quite frankly, throw away the form back. So it's all to upto the Big Man in the Sky. If its bone dry throughout the race tomorrow, its Merc vs Williams, as normal. If its' wet................it is literally anyone's race. I remember a couple of years in that wet qualifying and the cars were aquaplaning all over the place. Remember, these new generation machines have less downforce and more torque than the old V8 cars - a rain affected race tomorrow and anybody could win.


@Gaz Boy

So basically you are suggesting Williams have cheated and circumvented the restrictions on wind tunnel testing 😉


From my own experience. If he's hurt his knees the consequences can materialise overnight. Hope not!


@Gaz Boy

Williams deserve credit too, obviously those all nighter shifts at the wind tunnels are paying dividends......

If Williams are conducting all nighter sessions in the wind tunnels they must be doing it in secret.

From 2014 onwards there are heavy restrictions on wind tunnel testing and also CFD simulations - isn't it something like 30 hours combined wind tunnel and CFD/week (I stand to be corrected on the actual allowance).


REC63 - You are right, but there are exceptions. Perhaps Williams have exploited those exceptions, which are (from the FIA F1 2014 rule book):

5. Exceptions to definition of Restricted Wind Tunnel Testing

5.1 Free testing is permitted (and therefore not within the definition of Restricted Wind Tunnel

Testing) for development of suspension and steering systems (Article 10 of the F1 Technical

Regulations), brake systems (Article 11 of the F1 Technical Regulations) and wheels and tyres

(Article 12 of the F1 Technical Regulations) provided such tests do not concurrently test (or in any way provide incidental data or knowledge) concerning performance or endurance of parts or systems classified as bodywork.

5.2 Steady State and Dynamic engine dynamometer work with an F1 car or subcomponent may be performed (and therefore not within the definition of Restricted Wind Tunnel Testing) provided that :

a) The bodywork used in the test has no front wing assembly (Articles 3.7.2 to 3.7.8 of the

F1 Technical Regulations) or rear wing assembly (the whole of Article 3.10 of the F1

Technical Regulations) present.

b) No devices designed to measure directly or indirectly aerodynamic forces or flow field characteristics are installed in the facility used.

c) No sensor installed on the car or subcomponent which are capable of measuring displacements, pressures or air flow direction of the external airstream resulting directly or indirectly from the incident air flow may be logged. Logging files have to be available, if required, during the independent benchmarking inspection.

d) The gas flow exiting from the exhaust system is ducted away from the testing area before impacting on any bodywork component (other than the exhaust itself).

6. Bodywork Items that may be adjusted during a Restricted Wind Tunnel Testing Run

6.1 The following degrees of freedom are permitted during the course of a Restricted Wind

Tunnel Testing run :

a) The flap angle of a front wing may be adjusted.

b) The incidence of the rear most and uppermost element of the top rear wing may be adjusted.

I think it's fair to say Williams have made impressive aero progress!

Pat Symonds is in charge of aero development at Williams, and over the years with Benetton/Renault, Pat has believed in the primacy of the floor/underbody to incrementally increase downforce. I suspect that Pat and his team have tweaked the front wing and floor that has increased the downforce, and therefore lap time of the Williams. It is possible that the Williams chassis has always been the 2nd fastest in F1 2014, but in the early races they got the ride height and front wing angle of attack wrong, which would reduce the downforce.

It's amazing how just a few millimetres can transform a car!


they do work under that limit, but they do it by night, when everything is quiet and relaxed to work 😀


It feels like things are always against Hamilton.....strange and sorry for him.


I don't things are so tough for Hamilton. He might be having the worst luck of the Mercedes drivers, but in comparison with others down the grid (Alonso, both toro rosso sauber and lotus drivers, etc, etc) things are going pretty well - second in the championship and one of only two drivers with a shot of the wdc this year - I'd swap 😉


Yeah like last race you mean, right?

Yngwie Malmsteen

How many car failures did Rosberg have? Yeah right! That particular DNF just prevented Hamilton from passing him on track.


Like Melbourne, Canada and today.


That's a bit harsh. Hamilton had brand new disks fitted for quali' and within 5 laps one of them failed. No doubt that Hamilton has had the sh#t end of the stick so far this season with mechanical unreliability.


Good for Rosberg to claim pole at his home grand prix for it's every driver's dream to put in a good performance in front of the home fans.

And the kind of form Rosberg is showing it wouldn't be a surprise if he dominates the weekend with the win, fastest lap + leading every lap.

As for Lewis, it's a shame about the break failure for the fans missed out on another intense battle for pole and with the weather predictions for rain being at 60%, it appears we shall have a dry race so will be interesting to see how much ground he can make up.

Impressive showing from the Williams team especially Bottas because the fans know Massa isn't a slow driver when he has a good car.

Seeing as the Williams team ended up close to Rosberg, hopefully they won't go for the consecutive strategy like they did in Austria.

Massive effort from Mini-mag to plant it in P4 unfortunately for the lad, he has some big hitters starting behind him so will likely slip back.

Surprised the Red Bulls didn't have some more speed perhaps the Mercedes owned former test track favours the Mercedes engines.

Among other good drives were Kvyat and Perez so good job from them.


Apparently there were not that many "home fans" in attendance to cheer Rosberg on...from what has been posted on other sites the grandstands are not filling up they way F1 expected.


Give Rosberg a break. He can't fill the stands with home fans! Monaco have a population of only 40000! 😀


@ Colm

Oh, the irony.


Goferet, the weather tomorrow is potentially very variable - the forecasters have said their will be a thunderstorm at Hockenhiem, they don't know exactly when...................

On a personal level, a wet track is a great leveller - it's the Big Fella Up Above way of saying, right you racing drivers and senior team personnel earn big wages, its about time every once a while you really earn them!

Think of all the great wet races over the years - you can't beat a rain affected event for excitement, thrills and spills!


I want rain like nobody's business. I only hope Whiting doesn't put out a safety car or red flag it at the first sign of drizzle.


@ Gaz Boy

So true.

What would make the drivers life that more difficult is these cars haven't got too much downforce making the prospect of a wet race that much more precarious.

Anyway, myself am predicting a pretty straight forward race considering we have already had the classic race in the just concluded GP2 race.


@Gaz Boy

it’s the Big Fella Up Above way of saying, right you racing drivers and senior team personnel earn big wages, its about time every once a while you really earn them!...

Isn't there a saying along the lines of; God starts laughing when he hears people making plans 🙂


I don`t know what`s going on at Ferrari, but I am very disappointed that they are not able to progress. Also, how on earth it is always Kimi`s car that breaks down during free practices and how on earth one of the fastes guy who has aver raced in F1 is only 12th again. This team is seriously buit around Alonso, Kimi should get out and find a seat somewhere else to save his reputation. I have been watching Raikkonen since he entered F1 and he was faster in a Sauber than he is now in this Ferrari.


Gary Anderson, Mark Hughes and Tony Dodgins has speculated it may take until 2016 when Ferrari can put together a consistent package that can challenge for a WDC.........

Gary has also pointed out how Ferrari have squandered the excellent technical and aero department that Ross the Boss left behind when he departed at the end of 2006.

Gary has a good point - since 2009, Ferrari have been bogged down in a technical mire, and lets face it have been humiliated in 2009, 2011, 2013 and now add to that 2014. Ferrari haven't had a dry weather pole position since Singapore 2010, and a Ferrari driver has yet to lead a single lap this year. Which tells you everything about their decline.

Of course, ironically, it was Ross the Boss who was the instigator of their humiliation in 2009...........and also this year come to think of it!


Look, it's all about the team he is in!

The car is made to suit the other driver.


i don't see Kimi looking for other team, as i pressume that this will be his last stint in F1 We have to wait and see if he call it a day this year, or next year. That, assuming that this will be his decision, and not Ferrari's one (i wouldn't be surprised if they show him the door, and Bianchi getting his seat)


James Allison himself said, that F14T basically lacks traction out of corners, it doesn't have downforce, it down on engine too! What do you expect from Ferrari when they prepare such cars. How much can a driver do?

Ferrari team is a shadow of its former self, don't expect anything to change over this season.

Regarding Alonso, he can manage a loose rear, Kimi can't as effectively as Alonso, hence the difference between the two.


I would just like to point out that I wrote a comment on this website last year saying that Bottas and Massa will be a beast of a line up in quali this year.

You're welcome.


Oh..I said Kimi will shame Alonso. Wish they had those 2013 cars.


We were all niaive to think he would be given a fair go. Kimi has spent half all Fridays watching engineers fix his car . Whilst FA has had very little problems. Ferrari dont have the technical people to field both cars competitively.




Great job. We're proud of you.


Hamiltons braking incident looked really weird. He difinitely locked the front then same side on the back locked whilst the other side kept rotating. Every time he attacks something lets go on his car. Hes a long shot on this type of circuit especially with the Williams proving very strong. I doubt he will make the podium and it will be interesting to see if Mercedes narrow the fault down - because it could strike again.

Great effort by Magnussen who must be liking the aero updates Mclaren put on the MP4-29. With Ferrari and Kimi struggling - I will he watching Bottas keenly- Ive always said this guy has what it takes and another fantastic quali was delivered. He might end up being the driver of this season.


Rosberg said in the press conference that Hamilton has a different break system.


You mean Hamilton breaks things more often?


it will be interesting to see if Mercedes narrow the fault down ..

Sky interviewed Paddy and he said the right front disk failed on Hamiltons car. Apparently Hamilton uses Brembo disks and Rosberg Carbon Industries - something to do with a preference in the 'feel'.

The disk was brand new for quali' - further investigation required by the team before they can say why it failed.


Are you sure that's what he used at Mac? I know he really liked Akebono calipers, but they're exclusive to McLaren.


I read some discussion that with a possible switch to Carbone disks that Hamilton would have to start from pit lane. Interesting possibility... has anyone ever won a race starting from pit lane? If it has never happened, this may be a perfect opportunity, given the advantage Merc has this year.


More surprising given he liked Carbon Industires brakes at Macca and now hes switched to Brembo


Did Susie's press run take away pole from Valtteri? Valtteri has been improving from session to session and maybe he could have worked his setup little better if he had driven FP1 too.


I'm so glad the momentum had swung back in Hamilton's favour last week …. goodness knows what might have happened otherwise.


Finally it appears his competitive days are over. Where will Jenson Button compete next year?


Button didn't do too bad at the last race and last I checked he was beating K Mag - to be fair Button has never been much cop in qualifying but as long as he beats his teammate on Sundays it's still more important. It's great that K Mag is getting to grips with the McLaren but he'd have to be out scoring JB before he looks like a Bottas or Hulkenberg.


It's a good point, but: they're only 20 points apart, Jenson have 14 years of F1 driving against MiniMag, and... How much is getting Jenson paid? and how much MiniMag? if you can have, say, Bottas, for a third, or even a half Jenson is getting, why would you have to think it twice?


DTM. F1 driver's garveyard. FE the year after.


You think FE is going to survive that long?? 🙂




DTM? BTCC? Playstation?


What the hell?!? Disc failure on the RHS front brakes, just fitted before quali. DNFs and mechanical failures are going to decide this DWC, and not the respective abilities of the drivers. That's not how it should be. There was a good reason why it used to be "best x results of y" from 1950-1990 ... b/c most realized that some retirements or race-compromising incidents (RCI's) are no fault of the driver. That scoring only changed b/c Prost complained about it in 1988.

Why was Lewis even doing a 2nd run? He was well safe.

Anyways, after GUT's penalty, Lewis will start 15th. I guess he'll be hoping for rain, and ideally rain to come 25-30 mins into the race, so he can start on the softs, and then switch to the inters/wets while the front-runners will have already pitted to lose their options.


"Why was Lewis even doing a 2nd run? He was well safe"

He thought that in Silverstone and look what happened. A second run will allow him to take advantage of an improved track and also explore the limits a bit more too and perhaps try a different setup. All academic anyway, since whether the brake failed in the second run or the first run of Q2, it was always going to fail.


+1 You always get second guessed when things go wrong.


"Why was Lewis even doing a 2nd run? He was well safe."

I think it would have been pretty ballsy to not do a second run from there, he wound up a reasonable 12th, admittedly half a second in the safe zone, but quite a few cars on the super softs were beating him when he went out. Also, the gaps between him and Rosberg have been wafer thin all weekend, so I think he needed every run he could get.


If he is able to race tomorrow I think he will do very well. It's very impressive to see a driver come through the field, and I think that's just what he'll do, Wishful thinking or intuition? don't Know, I'll find out tomorrow. All I know is he's a bloody good racer, and he's got the ability.Looking forward to finding out tomorrow.


Rain is the Big Fella Up Above way of saying motor racing is a bit too predictable in the dry and needs a wet track to make F1 more egalitarian....................as in its the skill of the driver that makes the difference when its wet................a la Hungary 2006 or Malaysia 2012 being two examples where a drivers supreme wet weather ability has compensated for the deficiency of his machinery...............


This has to be the best car Williams has built in the last 15 years. From RBR to Mclaren everyone seems to be narrowing the gap to Mercedes except Ferrari. I hope Montezemolo crawls on broken glass to beg Ross Brawn to come back.


No way this is better than the title challenging 2003 car.


How about the 2003 williams? it was fast and pretty too.


'......I hope Montezemolo crawls on broken glass to beg Ross Brawn to come back.'

bwahahaha, i actually pictured that for a moment. Big boss ross sitting there with a fishing pole watching monty crawling over in one of his dapper suits


I hope he doesn't notice. Brawn will be back next year, he's a V-tec addict!



With regards to Hamilton, it seems that expression; "if he didn't have bad luck, he would have no luck", would probably be applicable right now.


Debatable if Hamilton would have won the GB, don't forget that by the time HAM starting cutting Rosberg's lead, ROS already had gearbox problem. But that aside, when you are set to take 7 points from your opponent's lead and by no merit of your won you end up taking 25, its luck. Good luck that HAM had. That is in response to the comment that Lewis was either having bad luck or no luck. Actually he also had good luck. Again, fact, not an opinion. as well as the fact that he had more bad luck than ROS.


He did have quite a bit of luck last round to cut the Rosberg's lead by 25 points vs. a likely result of a 2nd place behind Rosberg...


@Fernando Cruz:

Don't forget Monaco. When you bottle it in Q3 and it's your teammate who pays the price, that's surely a sign of Lady Luck smiling on you.


Rosberg was unlucky last round and Hamilton was unlucky in Australia, Canada and... Germany. Hamilton would be leading this championship with 100% reliability for both drivers...


Yeah, and less luck before when......

Why don't you say, you don't like Hamilton and so you are going to criticize him at every available opportunity?

Shhh, everyone knows anyway! 😉


A lot of people think he was on for the win, but yes, 25 points vs 7 points is 18 points worth of luck.


Yes, Nico did have the bad luck in GB, but he's still winning the luck lottery so far by a good bit. And frankly, it looked like Lewis was set to win with a one stop strategy even if Nico hadn't DNF'd.


Seemed more likely to be first not second, but it's all opinion, the luck however has been with Rosberg overall so far this season and that's a fact rather than an opinion.


What about his 2 DNF's prior to that...overall I think it is Rosberg who has had better luck (or at least less bad luck)...


Don't forget Rosberg might still not finish tomorrow's race.


Exactly - they have concerns on cooling


Rosberg had bad luck last round, not that Lewis had good luck. And a likely 2nd? You did read JA's race review, right? If he did a one stop, he was always going to win. Even with a two-stop, things were in his favour (at the very least 60-40 for him).

I seem to recall ROS inheriting the win at GBR13 after not just one problem for a car ahead, but two! Lewis of course with the bad luck there again.

Once again this season there's a gap of two (3-1 against HAM) in terms of mechanical failure.


Guess its finally dawning on me...Ricciardo is definitely faster than Vettel !!!


Dan always fast in quali form.

I am still hopeful that Vettel will be faster when the car becomes sorted.


in qualifying so far this year yes, in the races no.

vettel has actually been faster than ricciardo in most of the races this year, he's just ended up behind because of bad luck & poor strategy.

look at silverstone as an example, outqualified daniel, was ahead of him until his 2nd stop & was soundly faster all race. yet red bull split the strategies & thats the only reason vettel ended up behind daniel.

was similar in montreal, vettel ahead most of the race & faster yet the pit strategy put daniel infront.


Vettel has been faster in ONE race, Malaysia. Care to tell me which other race he had superior race pace in????


@Anil parmar Vettel was faster in the Silverstone and Canada during the first stint before the pit stops. But overall, I have to concede that Ricciardo is faster than him at least in quali....The thing is that many people ( even some of the F1 commentators ) argue about the need to adapt to the car which is not right . For a driver to be fast, the car needs to be within his zone, which is not happening for Vettel and Raikkonen. And this is not a bad thing because this unlocks a massive speed potential for both the drivers. It is not happening because teams cannot figure how to do that in the new generation cars.But expected to happen soon.

People are using this opportunity to belittle Vettel.But I think this simply reinforces his credentials as 4 time champ. Unlike Kimi, in a car he's struggling, he's not much farther from his team mate ( who is doing a good job and extracting everything out of the car) , has been a part of some wonderful battles on the track and has been very graceful off the track.

I sometimes do wonder, why he doesn't have more fans.


"Seb was faster in Malaysia but I can’t remember many other occasions where he has been. He was poor in Monaco, Austria and Bahrain."

People lose their minds where Vettel is concerned. Poor in Monaco? He was running third, ahead of Ricciardo, when his engine blew. Poor in Austria? He was plagued with engine problems from practice onwards and had another DNF. Poor in Bahrain? More engine problems, though at least there they were not so severe he could not complete the race distance.

I don't see anyone claiming that Hamilton was poor in Australia, Canada, Monaco, and qualifying in Germany - which would make exactly as much sense as the nonsense directed at Vettel.


I agree...some are writing Vettel off far too early IMO.

If Dan gets a DNF or 2 and Vettel starts getting his share of good luck it will get very interesting indeed.


No, Daniel's searing in-lap put him in front. If Sebastian was faster he would have got back ahead when they were all being held up by Perez.

FormulaEDiary (Anil Parmar)

Of course he was faster during the race at Silverstone; that's the whole point of a 2 stop strategy. Daniel was on a 1 stopped, hence why his pace was slower (looking after the tyres for a long time).

Seb was faster in Malaysia but I can't remember many other occasions where he has been. He was poor in Monaco, Austria and Bahrain.


It looks as though Mercedes is trying to see only one WDC: Rosberg. Toto Wolff said that Rosberg's and Hamilton's cars have brake discs from two distinct manufacturers. How's that possible?.

FormulaEDiary (Anil Parmar)

Didn't you watch F1 last year when Lewis was saying that he wanted different brakes to Nico? Lewis has ALWAYS used aggressive brakes (the same type that Ferrari have used and currently use) whereas Nico doesn't. Lewis used different brakes to Jenson during their time and I believe the only time where he used the same brakes as Nico was last year and he said he wasn't happy with them.

The brakes Lewis uses have had a few issues this year, although according to AMUS Ferrari stocked up on last years brakes so they should be okay.


Because Hamilton wanted to change his brake supplier ! He likes Brembo brakes better because he can be more aggressive with them. Mercedes just fulfilled his wish !


That's due to Lewis preferring the same disks he used at McLaren when he moved to Merc. The story was covered back in 2013 when Lewis was having difficulty with the disks Mercs used. Someone please confirm this. I may be wrong, though. My apologies in that case. It's not a conspiracy, though.

Glad Lewis is okay. That was one very dangerous accident. I haven't seen the front left completely lock up, followed by the rear, like that before. Some really precarious things have been happening in the last few years. Pirellis blew up last year, Massa had the same accident at Monaco on Turn 1. The good thing about modern F1 is that no one has died so far. Let that not keep you too complacent FIA. Don't play around with the regs too much, and don't change the regs mid season either.


I stand corrected. Post 22 explains.


He still cannot have the discs he used at McLaren as they are exclusive to them

Akobono I believe


have brake discs from two distinct manufacturers. How’s that possible?....

It's to do with a drivers preference in the 'feel' they get when braking. Hamilton prefers the Brembo's and Rosberg the Carbon Industries - no conspiracy.


I thought Lewis proffered the ones he was using.


If I remember right both Rosberg and Hamilton have their own preference as the brakes from each manufacturer have their own feel.


Personal preference.


Drivers in the same team using different brake suppliers/materials isn't that uncommon & its down to driver preference on which they use.


Because LH prefers Brembo to Carbon Industries


He actually switches between the two, depending on the race. Looks like he'll be going all CI now though.


So you think the brake failure was deliberate?


Yeah, Why not? It's not somethging really important like running out of fuel is it....No wait pffft!


Not a good weekend for Jenson Button. Comprehensively out-qualified by K-Mag and Vandorne leading the GP2. Ron's cogs will be turning.


Bottas is the man! Finland keeps producing one fast drivers after another just like Germany 🙂

Hamilton is all set to have a hard time tomorrow. Run to the first corner isn't long and then there is possibility of collision starting P16. Mercedes look poor on SS, so lets see what he does tomorrow.

Looking forward to the race.


Mr Bottas is driving supremely well, can't fault that. Is he a potential WDC?

That rhetorical question will probably be answered within a year or two.................


Bottas, Kvyat , Magnussen and Ricciardo,no one comes from GP2!!!!Very interestingly!

one comes from GP3 ,three come from FR3.5!

kenneth chapman

at a time when the fortunes of F1 appear to be somewhat clouded the thought of these new young 'rockets' is tantalising. i do get excited when i see the new talent get an opportunity to show us all their talents and believe me, they do have them.

it's getting to be about time some of 'them' gracefully moved on. it should start sooner rather than later. yes, some of the 'old guys' are still damn fast, near enough is not good enough.


I agree with James.I guess next phase of F1 talent can be even faster than Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel etc .Like Niki said ,Hulk is a bit overrated .


James, you're talking about Vettel Heir, and he's only 27... i say he still got some five to six good season left!


Yes I'm looking 5 years down the road


Its too early to judge him as a WDC material, but for sure putting in performances like he did today and in Silverstone,Austria, won't do him any harm.


I think Bottas, Kvyat and Magnussen (plus Ricciardo) all look like the heirs to Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel etc as possible champions of the next phase of F1


mercedes should have all their components ex rayed and inspected for cracks to improve their quality assurance processes. at this day and age brake disc should not collapse on track. hamilton must have had a hell of a fright, he sounded in agony as he spoke with his engineers. i hope he's well enough to race tomorrow.

bottas was super quick. ever since massa refused to follow team orders he has never been faster than bottas. he should have learned from damion hills experience at williams.

vettel seems to have woken up all of a sudden. i hope he stays awake for the rest of the season. alonso on the other hand has fallen asleep on us.

kenneth chapman

@ aveli.... are you suggesting that both the manufacturer and mercedes don't have stringent testing for quality control?


if the quality assurance procedures were good enough, the brake discs wouldn't fail as often as they have done this season. they only produce a small number of discs for f1 so the number of failures is significant to suggest a look into improving their quality assurance procedures.

FormulaEDiary (Anil Parmar)

I wouldn't say that Seb has woken up. Once Daniel put on a new set of tyres he comprehensively outdid Seb.

That said, the home support could well help him tomorrow..!


That said, the home support could well help him tomorrow..!

What home support, there was hardly anyone there 🙂


Does your "never been faster" include pole in Austria?


and what makes you think they don't xray all of the car already?


x-ray will expose cracks.


Hope Hamilton recovers well in the race. He will be up to second and challenging Rosberg within 5 laps. The only thing interesting in this season is the battle between these two.

Ur basis for saying Vettel has woken up?? He was beaten by his team mate by a big margin.

I'm a Vettel fan by the way


@ Jon U can be a fan and yet admit to the facts. I've not missed even a single practice session this season and trust me when I say Ricciardo seems to be marginally ahead by a tenth or two. Red bull still haven't found an ideal set up for Vettel. Watching onboard, u can see how it is varying from sector to sector and how difficult it is for him to put together a lap.

But I'm mightily impressed by how he's racing and how he's not much farther from Ricciardo.

All issues sorted out, I still believe he would be the fastest driver on the grid


q2, he was super fast. watch out for him in the race.


Can't believe you are a Vettel fan for thinking that way.

Faster or not, VET and RIC would be toe to toe if not for VET's bad luck. Speed isn't everything - HAM is fast and only has 1 championship to show for it.


Sad to watch, yet again Mercedes Team reliability has let Lewis down and the undeserving Rosberg gains.

What is this circuit like for passing ... and what is the weather forecast looking like ?


2drs zones both good for passing but re passing possible too at second drs zone.


Why is Rosberg undeserving?

He's been as fast as & at times faster than Lewis all year.


Rosberg is not undeserving but the only time I remember Nico pulling away from Lewis in a race was Monaco after Lewis,s vision was impaired.

Lewis drove away cleanly from Nico at Malaysia and China

or to put it another way Lewis at times as been faster than Nico all year.LOL!!


He was going well today and might have been hard to beat for Hamilton


well in 2005, Montoya started 20th and finished 2nd, so certainly you can overtake if the driver is aggressive sort of driver.


James, I'm confused. Having remembered reading your technical article I believed the team were using Brembo and the car was optimised around the use of this manufacturers brake compound, but that Lewis chose to and was using was using Carbon Industrie because that was what he was comfortable with at McLaren.


Was this only correct for last years car?

For now it appears that Lewis is using Brembo! Which not only can be assumed by the concerned chap with Brembo on his shirt looking intently at the brake failure on the monitors in the garage; but also by Paddy Lowe who later confirmed that Nico uses Carbon Industrie - a different compound to Lewis!

Could you clarify and compare with the other brake failures of the same manufacturer as experienced by other team.


Lewis was on Brembo and Rosberg changed to Carbon Industrie before qualifying


It looks like Hamilton has to race with Carbon Industries brakes now


I doubt Rosberg would have changed brake manufacturers just before qualifying, before P3 sounds more realistic.


James, who is in charged of making that call? I think both driver should have the same kind of breaks. Are other teams also using different systems for their drivers?


The driver must have the brakes he wants, that is one thing that has to be his call


Unlucky for Hamilton but good to see he's okay.

Now, I'd like to see odds on:

A - Räikkönen being replaced by Bianchi before the end of the season.

B - Maldonado being replaced by anyone.

kenneth chapman

hahaha....they say timing is everything, in most things. it has just been announced that maldonado is driving for lotus again in 2015.


Bit off topic, but do you think the Australian government - behind the scenes - may put pressure on Danny Boy and Red Bull not to participate in Sochi?

I've got a feeling the UK government will lobby the UK kit car teams, Jenson, Lewis and Max to strongly reconsider their position on it as well.

The Australian prime minister, Tony Abbot, seem extremely agitated and distressed today when I saw him on the BBC speaking at a press conference. I would imagine he would find it an afront if an Australian citizen competed in the Russian GP.

I suspect with the upcoming Commonwealth Games in Glasgow, a lot of the prominent Commonwealth leaders - and NATO members remember - of Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Canada, Singapore and the UK will urgently be discussing the prospect of boycott of Russia.


Don't know about Australia, but there's no way there'll be an organised UK boycott of Sochi, for either teams or drivers. There was absolutely no traction behind one for the Winter Olympics, when the link between nation states/government funding and influence and competitors is much stronger than in F1.


Sorry to say, when Putin tells Bernie I'll pay you four times the fee to run the grand prix, what do you think? If Bernie is a gentleman, I don't even dare mention human rights issues he should call it off right now! I bet sponsors are thinking twice about it by now.


@Gaz Boy

I’ve got a feeling the UK government will lobby the UK kit car teams, Jenson, Lewis and Max ..

I am having a hard time imagining a team or driver unilaterally deciding on not going to Sochi. Can you really see Lewis, for instance, not racing whilst Rosberg does (or vice versa). It's either no one goes or they all do in my opinion.


I'd imagine it would be massive fines or even life bans for mixing government politics with the sport.

Though theres nothing they can do if danny suddenly catches the flu the day he's due to fly out.


RIC should not need to worry about it. FOM should have already have pencilled a cancellation letter prior to the horrific actions of the Russian backed rebels.

This is about the only thing that Abbot has ever done that I agree with as IMO he is just a grub that utilises a christian facade.

Malaysia should demand and receive compensation from Putin, as following on the heels of the loss of MH 370, the effect on the airline must be immense.


Not to get overly political but I find it an affront that Abbot is the Australian Prime Minister in the first place so I couldn't care less if he's a bit twitchy.

For myself I think that what happened to Flight 17 is a tragedy and it shouldn't be disregarded or forgotten, but as I've said previously if the race goes ahead and the FIA and the teams feel it's safe then they'll go and that's that.


it's not something new to ferrari to fire a world champion before of the end of the season 😀 (although it will be for very different reasons, prost openly criticized the scuderia, and Kimi has been taking the blame for his form this season


Easy on Kimi. Anyone would be nuts to go to Ferrari now. This romantic Ferrari BS ain't panning out. I have a feeling after this season no one will want to drive at Ferrari.


Oh and Random, test times mean nothing to me. Who knows what they were testing, or if they shaved weight off the car and let Bianchi set some times to put a get-up-and-go motivation on Kimi and Fernando. As in, hey guys, you're not doing anything special in those cars. Bianchi can do what you did, or better.

Let's see Bianchi try to keep afloat in a GP. Maybe Kimi will have a "back problem" and we'll finally answer if in GP trim Bianchi can bring it home in P16 or P17.

I remember this movie No Man's Land with Charlie Sheen where they steal Porsches. And Benji says to Charlie pointing to a Ferrari across the street they should steal it instead of the 911 they are standing next to "Hey, what about that one?" And Charlie says "Naaaahh....Italian Trash." A bit harsh, but Ferrari better pull this car up by the straps before that old 80s movie fictional description becomes fact.


Kimi managed to escape Ferrari after a bad season with a WDC to his name, their last. He went back, and I put forth to you that whatever Kimi may have had is being tarnished WAY more in just 10 races than the apparent kink in the legend of Schumacher after he came back to Mercedes for 3 years only to book 1 podium. For the record I saw that 3 years as a give back to fans by Schumi, which was fantstic.

First, RBR have put down one heck of a butt kicking last 4 seasons. Now Mercedes look unstoppable - which I'm still hoping RBR somehow turn to at least challenge them after the 4. Williams are in the thick of it, and we do have 10 races of points on the table, so it could still get a bit exciting. I think RBR, a sugar water maker putting the boots to Ferrari, a maker of high performance cars apparently has been a psychological blow that will be hard to come back from for them and has indeed taken mystical appeal from Ferrari.

I mean seriously, imagine now that Apple is challenged AND beaten for 4 straight years in the market by Nestle in technology products - that is what happened here last 4 years. I'm honest with you Random, RBR have made me completely not even look at Ferrari products, never mind desire one. And it certainly made me see that Ferrari is not the team to go to. It's just a kicking target everyone has a shot at now and no one wants to touch really. Sure, Ferrari seat is better than Caterham, but doesn't really get you to the promise land, does it now?


Since 2009 I have been saying this about Ferrari. They have a one driver mentality embedded since Schumi and it is destroying them. Mattiaci has a tremendous job ahead of him in changing Ferrari. They need at least 2-3 years. Engine boss is gone, Pat Fry should be gone-there was a yelling match at Montreal apparently where he offered his resignation- I would have gladly accepted it. Webber and Button were smart not to go there..

This stupid, stupid idea of having a one driver focused team and the entire technical people focused around him is bizarre. It is exacerbated by not having a strong technical team which has been highlighted for many years. Ferrari need to get past this pride of theirs and join the 21 century with some real enthusiasm and creativity. Hiring Allison was their first step but there are usually about 17 steps to get to the top floor. If Fry/ Alonso are gone after this year the team can start to rebuild- they wont win next year but they will make real progress no matter who is driving.Oddly enough I think Alonso can win a championship in Red Bull/ Mclaren/or merc if he accepts a normal contract where he is not the centre of the team- "just another paid driver"- nothing else. How does that Rihanna song go again...but i just dont see him changing his ways and creating problems around him- no matter where he is.

Another great Allison design like last years Lotus may allow the swan song to Kimis great career - that he so richly deserves


I would! (i even drive for Caterham if they ask me, but my driver credencials seems to be quite poor, as i drive a Citroen 2cv! - with FRIC, wich is not banned for road cars... yet!)


What are you talking about?...Raikkonen had 2 great years at Lotus...and they were James Allison designed cars...where is James Allison now?...he didn't have any say in this years car(obviously, as he just got there)...however, next years Car will be a James Allison design...I bet most drivers would line up to be in one of his cars...considering he is thought of as the best F1 car designer next to Newey...Raikkonen will do very well there next year...Ferrari will do very well next year!!


I haven't got anything against Kimi as he's actually one of my favourite drivers, but you have to consider the fact that he hasn't done as well as expected and then Bianchi hops in his car and sets a fastest time so there's an outside chance it could happen (and as a few have pointed out it's not they they have never replaced him before).

To your question about Ferrari I'd ask if they are starting to lose their mystic appeal. Ten years ago if anyone was asked if they wanted to drive for Ferrari then the answer for most would be an automatic yes, but these days I'm not so sure. I wouldn't go so far to say that no-one will want to drive for them, but they certainly do need to pick up their game if they're to have any hope of returning to their glory days.


Point 'A' isn't happening 100% sure!, those who are interested to lose their money, can enter that bet.

Look at Ferrari this year, Alonso must have an exit clause in his contract, and this year more than anything he can simply move out, because the car is incredibly poor. So what are chances Alonso, moving out of Ferrari at the end of this year?

He is indirectly making his intentions clear, by asking for $40 mil+bonus for a new contract extension.(2016 and beyond)

Go figure whether Ferrari are gonna pay him that much.

Look at Massa this year, look where he was compared to Alonso! Ferrari keep preparing cars that lack traction,downforce and Alonso is good in extracting times of those cars. But you can't expect that from every other driver on the grid.

And if they do sack Kimi, look at the sequence

1) They hire him (kimi)

2) He wins them championships

3) They Fire him

4) He has a stellar comeback in F1

5) They hire him again

6) They fire him again

What does that tell you about Ferrari's Management?


ferrari didn't fire raikkonen, he decided to take a brake from f1 and they hired alonso.


"What does that tell you about Ferrari’s Management?"

Probably best left unsaid 🙂


Not sure about Raikkonen being replaced, but so long as Maldonado doesn't run out of money his seat at Lotus is safe. Mind you as soon as the money stops Maldonado is a gonner 🙂


Exactly right.


It would appear Madonado has not yet run out of money as Lotus have announced they have signed a new deal with him for 2015. Mr Lopez is quoted as saying: "Despite the difficulties, he recognises our true potential as a team and we recognise his true potential as a driver". Have you ever heard such b#**ocks? What he should have said is " Maldonado has got the money and we need it - what else can we do? "


His seat might be safe but his front wing is in constant peril 😉


I'm glad Lewis is unhurt.

Kimi continues to disappoint.

Bottas, Mag, Dan & Danil continue to impress me. Great to see these young blokes making the most of their opportunities.


Come on Lewis grab that steering wheel & muster 'The never give in Brit spirit'

Make you your up up the grid swiftly.

There seems to be alot more issues with the car driven by Lewis. Brake failure at beginning of Quali is shocking. Glad Lewis is ok & able to race Sunday.

Seems like Lewis side of Mercedes are involved in alot of mishaps

While Rosberg gets the cream (I know he had a DNF ar Silverstone). Crazy & mind boggling how one side of Mercedes gets it wrong so often. Its asif somebody is chucking a spanner into the works on car driven by Lewis. Not that im saying somebody is (conspiracy wise). Surely Toto must have words with the engineers on Lewis' s team.


did you not here? the german football team won the world cup. it is normal for one team to consistently outperform another.


Lewis will be alright. A brake failure is a nasty, very worrying incident, but at least it removes Lewis from culpability for the accident.

Anyway, don't forget in 2004 Jenson also started at the back half of the grid and yet by lap 13 was, unbelievably, leading the race! He eventually finished a superb 2nd. So it is possible to come through the pack swiftly at the Tilke-Hockenheim.


Thanks for agreeing with the cancellation viewpoint GazBoy.

Shocking act of terror by a Russian equipped band of terrorists.

It would be a travisty if F1 travelled to Russia !!

Sad times.


Pkara, can I just say I fully support your position on a cancellation of the Russian GP.

If F1 goes to Sochi in October, it would be afront and slap in the face to our friends and NATO allies in Holland and Australia who have been particularly affected, and are grieving badly. The UK and Malaysia has also lost citizens as well in a particularly brutal and cowardly act of terrorism.

For F1, it would be a public relations disaster to go to Russia, and grand prix motor racing would be easily targeted as an aloof, out of touch, arrogant and completely myopic sport that is only interested in chasing the cash even if it means alienating our allies in NATO - would F1 would to do that?

I suspect that western governments, as we speak, are probably putting a great deal of pressure on the F1 circus not to go.


Magnusson will fall back and Button will cut through the field. My prediction is that Button will still brat Magnusson. Would be very happy if either McLaren was able to achieve a 4th place.



Do you know if Williams approach has evolved since Austria. Might they adopt a more ''racy strategy, as opposed to the Austrian race, or will they still be out to score good points?


Yes, they learned from that and will be more racy. You saw that in Silverstone with Bottas.

Depends on whom they are racing, looks like it's probably just Hamilton

Stephen Taylor

James I'm battled by Kimi he looked good in terms of pace in practice. So why did he get knocked out in Q2 and look completely off the pace?


What the hell is going on with Kimi ? Is it the same story that Ferrari are concentrating on one car (Alonso) and only Kimi keeps having issues with his car and reliability all the time? I have yet to remember one practice session where Kimi has not lost track time because of some Ferrari issue. This is ridiculous, clearly Kimi has not forgotten how to drive - the team is playing favorites or are incapable of supporting two cars equally.


He knew what was coming to him, however, it was about money, I guess. Lotus were not paying him. He is not a fool. He knew that he cannot beat Alonso at the team where Alonso is at home. Anyway, if Ferrari wins a race this year, I don't thin it will be by Alonso.


Er....... Hello!

Alonso has not won a race for quite sometime. Off the top of my head the podiums have not been in abundance either.

Knock Kimi all you like but the team is struggling at the moment full stop.

If this car needs 'switching on' Alonso is not doing it.

Ferrari need to sort the bizniz out!


Evidently Kimi can't adapt to a car unless it is exactly as he likes it. Lotus were able to get the car to suit his fancy.

In this case, he hasn't been able to adapt the same as Vettel at Red Bull. For some reason Kimi gets a free pass and Vettel gets belittled. The 2 cases are exactly the same.


yes, but Seb have won the last 4 WDC in a row, so it put him on the spotlight more than Kimi


Seems to me that Kimi is copping a fair bit in the media as well, and justifiably so as he is getting his rear kicked. For me, the writing was on the wall last season for both the drivers you mention.

Kimi lost his mojo not long after the halfway mark and Fernando could drag performance from anything with wheels and motor, whilst Daniel has always been quick, putting his Italian bull way further up the starting grid than it deserved.

David in Sydney

Give me Vettel over Kimi any day. Kimi is embarrassing himself and Alonso is guaranteeing another 5 years in F1.


The cream always rises to the top... and Kimi ain't at the top. Ruh roh...


+1, That's Ferrari for you.

The only positive is that this is happening now, when Ferrari have no chance of winning any championship otherwise it would have been pretty bad for Kimi and his fans (including me)


Feel for Kimi too. Maybe Ferrari are bringing experimental updates and using his car as testbed, maybe not. It would be nice to see Kimi have a good weekend for once. He won a race in 2013 after all, albeit due to the leader retiring. Having said that, Alonso is at is prime right now and very well tuned to the Ferrari of recent years to the present..


Thanks, James -- TV coverage just starting this morning on the West Coast of the U.S.


Quali was live on CNBC.

Same thing for the race tomorrow. Repeats are on NBCSN later.


Thanks, appreciate the steer -- the way NBC bounces the feed around different channels and the inflexibility of our local cable provider's guide makes these things most difficult to find sometimes. As noted above will put this one on the list to check as well. Much appreciated.


Are you watching the rebroadcast on NBCSN? It was on CNBC live, as will be the race on Sun (at least here in the mid-west).


Thanks -- learned that the race was going to be on CNBC from the announcement on the Indy Car feed. We don't seem to get the channel information for the live stuff here and have to try stumbling on it. Will put CNBC on my search list.


"Hamilton will start from 15th place once Esteban Gutierrez, who qualified in 14th place, takes the three-place grid penalty he incurred at Silverstone."

Or will he have to start from the pit lane if the brake repairs mean a parc ferme violation?


Brake repairs on there own wouldn't trigger that, but changing brake disc manufacturer would, which is being contemplated. Might as well take some drag off the car then too, to aid passing.


If they stay with Brembo than it's just a repair, no pulling the car out of parc ferme. If they change to Carbon Industries he would probably have to start from pit lane, but I read that Toto's lobbying to allow changing to Carbon Industries without taking the car out of parc ferme because it's for safety, not performance.


That is looking quite possible


There are more "hot" races coming up with Hungary, Spa and Monza. Maybe Hamiltons camp should not assume it is only kismet that his brakes had terminal failures in the two hottest days so far (today and Canada race day) and maybe they should be thinking more proactive and consider a change back to carbon industries. The Mercs one achilles heel is obviously cooling for the brake discs is marginal and it was no coincidence that Hamilton suffered issues today and in Canada. In Canada as well as today in Q1 Rosberg also had problems with his brakes yet he made it through, this points towards specific flaws in Mercs design and has nothing to do with bad luck or conspiracy theories.

Then why further forcing the issue when the brakes are under too much strain anyway, Rosberg so far seems to make it work with his approach and Hamilton might lose this championship due to his reluctance to use the right tools in order to make his drive more sympathetic with 2014 F1. If he sticks to his more aggressive approach using Brembo and suffers more brake failures then who is to blame ? If he can´t beat Rosberg with the same and safer brake supplier then he should get in one line with Kimi, Button and Vettel.

As for the race tomorrow, he will start 15. on the harder more durable of the two compounds and he will be second or third by lap 20 anyway with 2 unused sets of the supersoft he should cruise past Bottas easily and might even annoy Rosberg a little. Podium is no rocket science 1. ROS 2. HAM 3. BOT


Not those BRAKES again!



What's more worrying is that Merc seem to be saying there have been a few occurrences of this nature with Brembo brakes. Does Lewis risk this happening again or go with Carbon Industrie (on safety grounds) ?

This will surely leave him at a disadvantage as he will probably not feel comfortable - I assume one thing you want confidence and feel on is brakes right?


I wanted to comment before reading the qualifying report and comments.

I am so happy to see the Williams team perform as they are. I remember reading derogatory comments last year toward Claire. It seems that once again the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree. How they have come to stand where they do seems unbelievable seeing where they stood the past few years. Most improved team to me, although it is a close call with Mercedes.

Rosberg on pole. Hamilton once more having no much luck. Hamilton might it find difficult to finish second this time around. The Williams at the very least can be counted on not to be so easy to overcome from where Lewis is starting. Looks like Rosberg will take the win short of unforeseeable happenings.

Bottas or Massa taking it would make this race very much special for me, but I don't see happening due to their pace alone.

Red Bulls are thereabout as well so while the top step seems taken, the next 4, 5 slots should provide a good race. Marc


Look on the bright side, it is better this happen in qualifying than in the race. Retirements will dictate this championship.


Just seen magnussens onboard Q3 lap, im. Not a fan but loked like he was really hooked up, good to see in a macca been too long since weve seen that, looks like a great step forward

Glad lewis us ok that was some impact ouch


Hamilton will probably just be thinking damage limitation tomorrow (I expect he will pumped tomorrow but properly gutted right now). After final practice I expected him to get second to NIco but to challenge in the race but alas Mercedes reliability has a part to play. I really hope they figure out why the brakes failed so it has less chance of occurring in future races. Mercedes may be the fastest but its looking like their car is really frail and delicate.

David in Sydney

Another chance for Lewis to cut through the field like a hot knife through butter... he'll finish in the top 6 if not score a podium.


Spot on, good call


James, do you know what happen to zero tolerance policy on track limits, so vigorously enforced only two weeks ago?

If this rule exist for real, why it isn't enforced everywhere?

In Q1 Rosberg didn't do a single lap without being with all 4 wheels off track at some point.

The same goes to many others.


It only applies when drivers gain an advantage

Spoke to Gary Connelly the steward and he said T1 run off is slower

Apparently Tom Kristensen took the stewards for a high speed drive in F1 medical car and showed them it was slower by running wide !


What's about the final corner???


Good that Tom did that to clear things up as nearly all the drivers had four wheels off.

Mike from Medellin

Unless Derek Daly or any other friend of the Rosberg family is a steward.


No it's not....

That line has always been used. You have to slow down considerably more to make that corner within the lines.

All my years as a fan of racing games, trust me the wide line is quicker you carry so much more speed.


Thanks for reply.

One must agree that either the rule is insane, or not enforcing it everywhere is just as much.

With such liberal/relaxed approach FIA and stewards are just adding to confusion average fan/follower might already have with all this tech gizmos, strategies, tires, PU elements usage ezc.

I've been following F1 since late 70's and I don't remember I've seen such inconsistency within single season as we've seen in past few years culminating this one.

I just wonder how strictly do they enforce all other rules I'm not even aware of. 🙂

I remember a while ago - Indy race probably 10 or so years ago, clearly seeing on TV, Mark Webber in his Jaguar was leaving a closed pit lane (red light at the exit of it) during a safety car period.

And no one did anything to penalize that.

I'm sure I wasn't the only one who saw the issue.


Hamilton ran wide on his first flying lap in Austria exceeding track limits but clearly losing time yet his lap was excluded. Someone please explain


No.....I cannot believe it....I am back no using this site normally now:-) James, today I started receiving email notifications when people comment on my post!!!! Thank you:-)


James, any comments from the drivers orteams on how the removal of the FRIC systems has affected the cars or their relative performance?

Looking down the grid, apart from lotus having both cars at the back, its not apparent that the order has been affected.

And what happened at McLaren? In the FP2 coverage there was some discussion of aero upgrades being fitted to magnussens car, and these were credited with him being faster than Button. The upgrade was then going to be transferred to Buttons car. Was he quicker in FP3? And who ran the upgrade in quali?


No, they've all had to adapt. Merc has done well, its race pace is phenomenal, Red Bull was chewing up tyres on long runs so hope they've fixed that

Williams have adapted well, as have many teams. Hungary will be a sterner test as its characteristics were idea for FRIC


Thanks for the reply James, all eyes on the Hungary GP for FRICin' chaos, then.

Was there any news on the problem that took Rosbergs Merc out of the British GP?

Do the hot conditions in Germany mean it is a problem that could rucur, and does it affect all Merc P/U's or just those in Merc cars?


Nasty accident for Lewis, which gives the race to Nico if he finishes. I get the feeling things again are a bit on the limit. It will however be interesting to see what Lewis can do from that grid slot, although it maybe a start from the pit lane. Let's see what the strategy guy's can do for him particularly if he get's new tyre choice as it seems the rest of the grid will be in for there first stop after about 9 laps, but they will go off very quickly. I'm rather hoping the weather can play a part, surely the weather Gods can string a bit of good fortune for Lewis as currently he seems devoid of it.

David in Sydney

One thing is for sure: we're witnessing Kimi's and Jenson's final year in F1. Perhaps Massa, too.


Should Lewis start form the pit lane there will surely be a good race watching him charging up to the front for sure. It's better if he starts from the pit so there's no chance of any accidents/incidents in 15th.

Well, the FRICkin system removal the gap has closed up in quail. I still like to wait for the race for the real story.

Strongly suspect Bottas can take the win to Merc. But Merc will be shouting foul for the good job they did and taken away under their noses. Looking forward!


Yes Williams did well, but I think it will take a management situation at Mercedes such as brakes for Bottas or Massa to get their noses in. The Mercedes long run pace is exceptional and I doubt anyone can live with it. I hope a situation develops to allow Lewis to get back to the front such as safety cars and/or weather. I'm not sure the absence of FRIC has had any such effect overall because it is a short circuit and teams have brought upgrades, and/or used data they extracted from the last race weekend using them.


Just wanted to say how happy I am for Williams. They have had some dark days, well years and nobody wants to see that. Feel good story of the year so far.

I want all teams doing well and not struggling whether at the front middle or rear of the F1 field.


This would have been talked about before I am sure, but why has Rosberg not got a five place grid penalty for his gearbox failure at Silverstone?


Apparently if you did not complete the race there is no penalty.

Someone posted the rule.

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