Lots of question marks as F1 teams head to Hockenheim
Strategy Briefing
Posted By: James Allen  |  15 Jul 2014   |  4:48 pm GMT  |  90 comments

This weekend is the German Grand Prix at Hockenheim, which alternates as host of the race with the Nurburgring. The last time the F1 teams raced there in 2012, HRT was still an active competitor, which shows how much has changed since the last German GP at Hockenheim.

The shorter Hockenheim track was inaugurated in 2002, but this is only the second time that Pirelli has raced on the circuit. The last time the race was held there, it was a two-stop strategy that won, but the tyres are very different and more robust today. Against that, the likely removal of the Front-Rear interconnected suspension systems (FRIC), due to a mandate from the governing body the FIA, is likely to impact on the strategy with more stops likely as the tyre wear will be less consistent across the four corners of the car. This could force an extra stop. It is one of a number of big question marks hanging over the F1 teams as they embark on this important race.

It is a short lap at Hockenheim, the cars come around every 76 seconds or so. The first part of the lap has two long straights and only two corners and it is notoriously difficult to warm the tyres up for a qualifying lap on a cool day.

Pirelli has chosen the Supersoft and Soft tyres this year.


Track characteristics

Hockenheim – 4.574 kilometres. Race distance – 67 laps = 306.458 kilometres. 17 corners in total. A shortened version of the classic Hockenheim track, the circuit has a mixture of all types of corners.

Aerodynamic setup – Med/High downforce. Top speed 320km/h (with Drag Reduction System active on rear wing) – 310km/h without.

Full throttle – 65% of the lap (medium).

Time spent braking: 15% of lap. 7 braking zones. Brake wear- Heavy.

Total time needed for pit stop: 16.8 seconds.


Form Guide

The German Grand Prix is the tenth round of the 2014 FIA F1 World Championship.

It has been dominated by the Mercedes drivers Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton so far; they have won eight of the nine races with Red Bull’s Daniel Ricciardo taking his first Grand Prix win in Montreal.

Ferrari is still some way off, but the trend is improving as they have reduced the performance gap to Mercedes, Red Bull also. Williams has had a driver on the podium for the last two races and a pole position in Austria, so they are also a form team, expected to go well again in Germany.

As far as drivers’ form is concerned; Fernando Alonso has won the German Grand Prix three times, all at Hockenheim, Lewis Hamilton twice (including once at Hockenheim) and Sebastian Vettel once.

Weather Forecast

The German Grand Prix at Hockenheim is often held in warm conditions, although there have been some wet races too. This year’s forecast is for very warm weather, in the high 20s and low 30s

Pirelli F1 tyres

Likely tyre performance and other considerations

Pirelli tyre choice for Hockenheim: Soft (yellow markings) and supersoft (red markings). This is a similar combination to what we saw in Monaco, Canada and Austria.

Pirelli predicts a difference in performance between the two tyre compounds of around 0.8 seconds per lap, enough to make the crossover in strategies interesting, with a number of possible ways to divide up the race.

With high temperatures forecast this weekend we are likely to see some thermal degradation, which means that the tyres overheat and suffer a sudden drop off in performance beyond a certain point, usually when they are around 70% worn.

This effect will be exacerbated by the removal of the FRIC suspension systems. Friday practice will be more essential than ever for the teams to do their homework and establish the fastest tyre strategy combination for Sunday’s race.

Hockenheim has several slow corners and the acceleration out of these causes longitudinal sliding, while some of the medium and higher speed corners put a lot of energy into the tyres and increase the degradation.


Number and likely timing of pit stops

Depending on the thermal degradation and the effect of the removal of the FRIC suspensions, it is likely to be a two-stop race, possibly a three stop if the negative effects are significant. A two stopper would pit around Lap 18 and again around Lap 41.

Chance of a safety car

Since the new Hockenheim track was opened in 2002 there have been two safety cars in eight Grands Prix.

There was a safety car in 2004 for a crash at the start, another in 2008 due to an accident.


Recent start performance

The start of the Grand Prix is absolutely vital in terms of executing the ideal race strategy. A few places gained means a team has more options, while a few places lost usually means switching to Plan B and being more aggressive to make up ground.

As far as 2014 start performance is concerned drivers have gained (+) or lost (-) places off the start line this season, on aggregate (taking away positions lost from positions gained), as follows –

Net gained positions

17 Gutierrez
14 Bottas
13 Kobayashi
12 Massa
11 Maldonado, Ericsson
10 Bianchi
9 Chilton
8 Hulkenberg
7 Sutil
6 Raikkonen, Hamilton
2 Alonso

Net held Position

Net lost positions

20 Vergne
6 Button, Grosjean
5 Kvyat, Ricciardo
3 Vettel, Perez
1 Magnussen

Melbourne Notes: Kobayashi, Massa eliminated in a first corner accident; Perez, Gutierrez pitted at the end of Lap 1; Bianchi, Grosjean started from pit lane.
Malaysia Notes: Perez started from pit lane, Bianchi pitted at the end of lap 1
Bahrain notes: Vergne pitted at the end of lap 1 after contact
China Notes: Sutil lost power at start and dropped 8 places, retiring soon after.
Monaco notes: Maldonado did not start, Ericsson started from pit lane, Perez crashed Lap 1.
Canada Notes: Gutierrez started from pit lane; Bianchi and Chilton crashed lap 1; Ericsson pitted lap 1
Austria Notes: Grosjean started from pit lane
GB Notes: Raikkonen and Massa eliminated in 1st lap accident

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Pit Stop League Table
Of course good strategy planning also requires good pit stop execution by the mechanics and we have seen tyre stops carried out in two seconds this season by some F1 teams. Ferrari’s 2.0s is the fastest stop so far.
The league table below shows the order of the pit crews based on their fastest time in the British Grand Prix, from the car entering the pit lane to leaving it.

1. Mercedes 28.329secs
2. Red Bull 28.483
3. Toro Rosso 28.575
4. McLaren 28.645
5. Lotus 28.831
6. Williams 29.104
7. Caterham 29.507
8. Force India 29.579
9. Sauber 29.956
10. Marussia 30.353
11. Ferrari 34.410

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I've been to the "new" Hockenheim - albeit to watch a DTM race race than a grand prix. I've been to most circuits in Northern Europe over the years and most have been modified and diluted to a certain extent - Zandvoort is a good example - so perhaps it's not surprising that the old flat out blast around the Black Forest had to go. Shame, but that's progress...............

Having said that, there has been some good races over the years at this new Hockenheim. 2003 was crash, bang, wallop and a great duel between Trulli Train, DC and Michael, while 2004 was a storming comeback drive from Jenson, even if his helmet chin strap was trying to suffocate him! Not many drivers can overtake Nando one handed! I also think Kimi still has sleepless nights after that horrible crash in 2004 when his rear wing detached itself...................that was a hell of bump. Also, great comeback drive from Lewis in 2008, even if Macca's nervy strategy could have cost him dearly.........................

As for this weekend, how about an outside punt on Nando? Mr Alonso is something of a Hockenheim specialist: 3 wins in 2005, 2010 and 2012 is pretty impressive, even if in 2010 it was tactically assisted...............I'll give Nando the benefit of the doubt as he won in 2012 with no need for Massa to help him.........

In the real world, it'll be interesting to see if Williams recent impressive run has been a flash in the pun, over whether they have unlocked the secrets of a blisteringly fast car that works well on all sorts of tracks. I suspect with the savvy guidance of Pat Symonds leading the aero team, it could be the start of a consistent run of form for Frank and Claire's team - time will tell.


the black forest is very far away from hockenheim.


Hate to be a scratched record but,if this reshaped Hockenheim is progress then I'll eat my hat.

The original shape was what I would term a proper GRANDS PRIX circuit,and I miss it.

This new config represents IMO a marketing shift to a Glitzy WWF wrestling like strategy,show & seats taking precedence over what we're all here for in the 1st place,pure racing,and probably symptomatic of the ethos that has seen F1 in decline,the timing matches the downturn.

Still,I'm looking fwd to it.

Go Lewis......


Alonso for the win? No way! Barichello has a better chance.

Wait a minute!? Who?


150%. 6 tenths also.

Fernando 150% Alonso

110% ? Naaaa ;))


RE Sebee: If Kimi still has nightmares about the 2004 German GP, then Rubens probably has sweet dreams about the 30th July 2000!

IMO, the 2000 German GP is one of the best races of the New Millennium.

As for Nando, well, one thing you can be assured - he will extract 110% from an off the pace Prancing Horse, just like he has done for the last 5 odd years!


PS In case you're wondering, the old circuit has gone - forever The old Ostkurve has been reclaimed by mother nature and is now part of the forest. The return back straight is now used by pedestrians and cyclists. Where once the likes of Niki the Rat, Super Mario, Jonsey Laffite, Tambay, Prost, Arnoux, Senna, Our Nige, Damon, Gerhard Cheese Berger, Lord Nelson Piquet, Mika, Michael and of course Rubhino all weaved their winning magic around the ribbon track in the forest, all its now peace, quiet and lots of pine trees........................

By the way, if you do go to Hockenheim, you must buy go native and buy a Klaxon horn! It's like going to Texas and not eating chilli, or going to Australia and not having a barbecue - you're kind of missing out. The German spectators do like their lager - and their horns!

David in Sydney

I feel more than a little sad about this sort of destruction of historic sporting sites that happen to by motor racing circuits... I feel angry.

In my home town of Sydney several historic circuits have been paved over for housing.

You would not see this happen to hallowed Cricket grounds, football grounds or the like... but motor racing circuits... bahhh... this was a beautiful and historic circuit now destroyed.


Yes, I looked at on google earth last year and felt a pang. Rapidly disappearing.


Every time Hockenheim comes around these days I feel a little sad...and when they show a chopper shot of the forest you can just see the old circuit fading away. Bloody nature.

I loved that old car breaker.


"... the likely removal of the Front-Rear interconnected suspension systems (FRIC), due to a mandate from the governing body the FIA, is likely to impact on the strategy... "

Fortunately or unfortunately, depending upon how you see it, the most significant strategic factor that can affect this race, will take place OFF the track!

I read in the news that McLaren have made a press release stating (definitively) that they will NOT run FRIC suspension.

Okay, I see this as very significant.

I remember something abount Ron mentioninbg that McLaren WILL win a race this year.

He said something like that.

I put these two factors together, and think about how difficult it will be for a team who has literally built their car on top of this platform, having to take it out in less than two weeks, and I foresee, very clearly, that a team like say, Mercedes, will either not be able to bring a car without FRIC, or by bringing a car without FRIC, likely forfeit their chance of success.

So it could be boiled down to what two men would do.

1. Toto, will NOT change his race winning formula, and line up the lawyers to take on the appeal (if it should come)

2. Ron, has more or less broadcast his position, McLaren WILL be protesting, and they may well get a win, in so doing it.

Brealdown and opinion:

1. Despite being critical of the extreme advantage that Mercedes has over the field, and effectively destroying the original objective of the competition - the team championship,

2. Changing the formula, so drastically, after it was well-presented prior to the development of the 2014 cars, is well... just not right.

Nonetheless, rest assured, the race will only be the starting point for the battle over Hockenheim, and we will be certain to have headlines about F1 through the summer 'break' (no break for the lawyers, making their many millions that this action will cost).


You say this as if McLaren are the closest team behind Mercedes. How on earth could you see this as a chance of McLaren winning a race this year? There's Red Bull, Ferrari and Williams who are definitely ahead of them and on some days you can include Force India. Red Bull and probably Williams are much more likely to take advantage if possible.

One of the strangest F1 posts I've seen.


we'll see.

any advantage and/or levelling the playing field will therefore work to McLaren's advantage (that's the strategy when you are drastically behind, change the formula and see what happens)?


Now (2014.07.16) Red Bull have publically stated that they will NOT use a FRIC system.

Lining up against Mercedes in the protest camp.

The question:

Can Mercedes take their FRIC system off the car?


deancassady you have put forward some good points, however if I may refresh your mind when Mercedes destroyed their tyers within 10 laps of the race, and ever since their secret tyers test and consenquent development of their FRIC system that is regarded second to none in F1 paddock,so efficient it 's that the Mercedes F1 tyer wear is equal if not better then any car on the grid since the test.

In regard to the Engine power output there is hardly any marked deferential between the Mercedes,Ferrari or the Renault,where Mercedes shine is their Electronics.

That said Ferrari will benefit the most since their suspension is the pull-rod type and to some extend McLaren who followed Ferrari system,now you may assume what you may but may I remaind you Ron Dennis is a smart operator,one may ask why McLaren declared not using the FRIC system in forthcoming German F1 some five days before the

event, perhaps in belief their may be some free points on offer ot the of the race?.

The Red Bull consenquent annancement to do the same, may be they have red the mail.


"Changing the formula, so drastically, after it was well-presented prior to the development of the 2014 cars, is well… just not right."

Nothing has been changed as of yet. And nobody knows for certain what is going on with FRIC that has Charlie acting so skittish. One rumor I heard was that Mercedes are dropping the back of their car at high speed to reduce drag and raising it again for more down force in the corners. If that's true then it's clearly an illegal aerodynamic aid and should be banned, whether they just started doing it at Silverstone or they've been doing it all season.

kenneth chapman

@ deancssady.....i am now confused. steve S talks about a system that 'drops' the rear end at speed! if so then that would lift the front end...at speed [even greater speed once lifted]

you now talk about a red bull system that 'lowers' the front end and in so doing would lift the rear? could you please explain?


Hamilton will win WDC 2014 for sure..Nando and rest of the team will vanish...


'If that's true then it's clearly an illegal aerodynamic aid'

That everyone has been running for about 5 years. Only now they get involved. Farce. The FIA have buckled under pressure from Ferrari and Red Bull. Mercedes will win anyway and everyone will stop talking about FRIC in a few weeks.


The system you mentioned, about 'lowering' the front end, at speed, is a system that Red Bull have perfected, and was in use last year; I would be surprised if it still was not in use by them.

I am unaware that Mercedes duplicated it, but since it may not have had the scrutiny on it, they may well have incorporated it, as well.

Different from FRIC (as far as I know).

kenneth chapman

an interesting point there. could you pass on the link to this rumour. FRIC as i understand it is a purely passive interaction that deals with a system of opposite reactions resulting from the applicable laws of physics. what appears to be the 'essence' of your 'rumour' seems anything but passive. very very curious


I am not so sure. It is not like the whole of Mercedes dominance is due to FRIC. Say it costs McLaren 2/10 and Mercedes 6/10 of a second, Mercedes will still win.

There is a trend it appears at the start of every single race. Their car appears to find near on over a second per lap. A worrying trend for the rest of the field. Even in qualifying the talk is always which order the Mercs will be. As long as they finish the lap and it is dry, they will almost certainly occupy the front row.

Secondly, there is no definitive third placed challenger right now. One race it is Ric, next Alonso, next Bottas and next it may be Hulk. If you had one guy who had 15 points every race and was on 135 points just a race win behind the Mercs, you could see them worrying about a loss of performance but the chances of that are slim.

Even if there was a miracle and say Williams suddenly got 1-2 at every single race, a Merc 3-4 would still see them win both titles. Lastly, I think Merc have the strongest line up and if it comes down to a shootout between two equally performing teams, the stronger driver will prevail.


That's not the point, Jason. The point is that the rules are being blatantly politicized, thus destroying F1 as a remotely credible sport.

I hope Merc sticks to its guns and drags the whole rotten affair to the front page of every newspaper on the planet. Hell, maybe they won't be the only team to do so[ a Grand Debacle, where half the teams get DQ over FRIC would be ideal. Let the wretched FIA and their stoogies be shown for the evil clowns they are.


I heard that Mercedes were trying to broker a deal with all the teams not to protest FRIC for the remainder of the season - I doubt Mercedes will risk running FRIC unless the agreement is in place.


Maybe the teams that want FRIC will (by prior agreement) protest each other on Thursday? That way they'd have a chance of keeping it without an unseemly court battle. They might also get a bit of credit for forcing a resolution.

Not sure though whether they'd then have enough time to do a good job of taking it off.


There are two ways it can go; in both cases, they are lining up their lawyers and experts to argue in court.

Way 1: Mercedes don't modify their car; they rely on potentially superior legal argument to continue to use their (should be legal) suspension system.

Way 2: they make partial suspension changes to comply 'enough' to bolster their legal argument.

I suspect that it just is not possible to modify their car to the spirit of this... letter from Chucky (doesn't this entire system seems like a 'B' movie?)

I bet teams like McLaren, Red Bull, and Ferrari know the extent to which Mercedes have potential to meet the spirit of the.. letter.

We'll see; thanks for the reply.


I hope not having FRIC system running on the Mercs affects the overall speed . The cornering & heavy brake zones will cause a few tank slapping moments for a a few teams. The cars will be abit skittish at yimes. It looks like a mix of weather for race day so safety car will be busy.


Personally, I hope the gap between Mercedes and the other teams widens this weekend. The decision to ban FRIC in the middle of the season, especially when it's framed in the "Oh, we'll let it stay if all the teams agree!" stance is just playing politics with the rules, and has seriously lowered my opinion of Charlie Whiting.

I'd say it had lowered my opinion of the FIA, but that can't get any worse without using imaginary numbers.

kenneth chapman

an interesting point there. could you pass on the link to this rumour. FRIC as i understand it is a purely passive interaction that deals with a system of opposite reactions resulting from the applicable laws of physics. what appears to be the 'essence' of your 'rumour' seems anything but passive. very very curious


I completely agree.

The FIA and ol' Charlie are bringing the sport into disrespect.

They have become bush league.

If they persist in just jerking people around mid-season I'll just quit watching.

Even NASCAR doesn't do crap like this.


Totally Agree I hope the Mercedes team laps the other teams in response to FRIC GATE.

FIA AND WHITING cannot move the goal post adhoc when one team manufacturer excels in technological know how & developes an amazing racing car.


Yimes = Times 😀


Oi, I had forgotten about the HRT team Lol...

Anyway willkommene to German Grand Prix and what a time to visit the Fatherland whilst the country in a jubilant mood after the recent success at the world cup.

Now the majority of the talk this weekend will be the effect the ban of FRIC will have on the teams but as I have read on the internet, we won't see any changes in the grid pecking order.

Further more, thanks to Pirelli's Duracell tyres, I doubt the degradation will be as bad as 2012.

Anyway, looking forward to seeing Kimi back on the grid and hopefully he will avoid the first turn runoff as many cars tend to go off track on the first lap >>> not forgetting Kimi's dismal DNF record at the German Grand Prix.

Fun Fact.

The 2000 German Grand Prix was interrupted when a disgruntled ex Mercedes employee went onto the circuit.


Goferet, don't know if you agree or not, but the 2000 German GP is to my mind still one of the best races of the New Millennium - it was one of those races that you pinched yourself and thought: "Did I just watch that??????"

Although Rubens ultimately lacked the measured consistency required of a WDC, there were days when he was simply astonishing - and 30th July 2000 was one of those days.

I bet all the Brazilians on this forum probably agree that 30th July 2000 was truly a magical day!


@ Gaz Boy

No m8, I wasn't following F1 in 2000 as I begun watching in 2003.

But from what I have read, the 2000 race was mega for we had one part of the circuit wet and the other dry.

Rubens gambled and stayed on the dry tyres whilst Mika went for the wets.

Mika would pull up in the wet only for Rubens to bolt on the dry section i.e. Cat and mouse game.

It's true, Rubens had inspired days but like most good number 2s, these performances were far in between.


Some Hockenheim stats:

From 1977-1984 and 1986-2006 the German Grand Prix was solely held at Hockenheim whilst the new Nurburgring became the European Grand Prix

i) Most wins at the German Grand Prix: Schumi 4 wins, Fangio + Stewart + Piquet + Senna + Alonso = 3 wins

ii) Most wins at Hockenheim: Schumi 4 wins, Senna + Piquet + Alonso = 3 wins, Prost + Berger + Mansell = 2 wins

iii) Most successful at Hockenheim: Ferrari 11 wins, Williams 9 wins, Mclaren 6 wins

iv) Back to back winners: Senna 3 wins, Piquet + Mansell + Alonso (2010/2012) = 2 wins

v) Williams and Mclaren are the only teams with 3 back to back wins

vi) Piquet, Prost, Berger, Schumi & Alonso won the race in 2 different teams.

vii) On the new shorter Hockenheim circuit, 5 out of 8 have won from pole but as a whole 17 out of 33 winners have emerged from pole.

viii) Senna has the record of 3 wins from pole

ix) Lewis is the only pilot to have won the German Grand Prix at Hockenheim and the Nurburgring.

x) On the current grid, only Lewis has been able to win both his home race and team's home race i.e. Silverstone + Germany 2008.


I don't understand your point 'x'

Germany isn't a home race for either Lewis or McLaren, and he wasn't driving for Mercedes in 2008 mainly because there was no Mercedes F1 team that year.


@ RodgerT

You see, in the past, Mclaren was partly owned by Mercedes so the German race became the default home race of Mclaren if you will.


What does back to back winners mean? If its leading the whole race then Alonso didn't in 2010.


Thats what I didn't understand, thanks!


@ Mocho_Pikuain

What I meant by back to back is consecutively.

Now since these stats are only for Hockenheim, I ranked Alonso as a back to back winner at Hockenheim because the 2011 German race was held at the Nurburgring.


Kimi doesn't seem to have much success at the new Hockenheim, does he? Massive shunt in 2003, massive shunt in 2004, dominating the race until his engine broke in 2005, could only manage 3rd from pole in 2006, off the pace in 2008 and finished 3rd in 2012 after the stewards decision but didn't get to drink the podium champagne!

Of all the drivers, I would say good old Nando is the Hockenheim specialist, results wise.


To be fair in 2006 Kimi banzai'd that average Mclaren to get it on pole in, pretty sure he had a few wheels on the grass in the last section! The Ferrari's were in a different league in the race, Schumacher probably had bucket loads more fuel on board as always 😉


@ Gaz Boy

Definitely Hockenheim hasn't been kind to Kimi, I think the most painful was when his tyre exploded with one lap to go giving the win to Alonso.

As for The Stone Roses, brilliant band.


PS The Stone Roses did a song about the 2000 German GP - "Breaking Into Heaven!"


Why so many pictures of Ferrari, I wonder..... as it seems this track requires speed and good traction out of corners.

Continuing the summer theme of german world domination I'm going for Vettel to trounce one or both mercs. I'm putting the holiday money on it !


Better start saving for next year Phil... 😉


Pity me, Random.

I never learn do I.


Wow... how did Ferrarii get themselves into that position on the pit stop table !!


Because they have Alonso in the team.


Didn't realise Alonso jumped out of his car to fit new tyres.


Remember alonso had a 5 seconds stop and go penalty last race.

H.Guderian (ALO fan)



Presumably Ferrari's pit-stop time includes Fernando's 5 second penalty ! Not very useful as a from guide ...


Strange moment to pick for the Nico nuptials.

Surely a distraction that could have waited.

Unless it is designed to make Lewis dwell on his lonely longings for Nicole....


Who could blame him. I bet he had a very good 'twerking' display as a reward for silverstone!


What lonely longings? If his Twitter feed is anything to go by they seem to be very much a couple once again.


James are there any drivers that could be affected more by FRIC ban?

I noticed a improvement for Alonso and Vettel in regards to tyre degradation and handling over the last few races?



We will see at the weekend. Clearly the ones who are better at looking after their tyres..


Wonder how the teams will fare with the 1st corner run off - it's always been acceptable to run wide there( natural racing line)

Also wondering if Mercs tyre eating problems will return without FRIC.

Use to love this track in TOCA race driver, nice fast sweeping corners with the big breaking zone at the end of the racing straight. The main overtaking place - remember Hamilton on Massa.

Hopefully a good race.

Joachim Breire

Oh Dear...... This system was introduced by Renault in 2009 it has been steadily taken up by most of the other teams, some make it work well others fail miserably as usual lately.

However to declare it illegal half way through the season almost 5 years later is more than a little odd. Conspiracy theories? Well Ferrari and Red Bull may feel the need to complain for their own, obvious reasons. It's quite similar to the mass damper ban half way through 2006 Which if i remember correctly was an attempt by Ferrari (through the FIA) at stopping what Ferrari thought was Renaults biggest advantage. Again that team changes the rules to enable it to win? *Question*

I think so but again, there is no proof.


James Allen introduced FRIC to his readers last season as a new technology.


"After the first two Grands Prix (of 2014) the teams have had a couple of weeks to prepare for the next pair of races in China this weekend and then Bahrain the following week."

"In terms of development, new parts will be coming to many of the cars for these races, but one innovation which many will be working to perfect is the FRIC suspension system, which has helped Lotus and Mercedes for far."

It doesn't sound like five year old technology to me.


It is 5 year old technology that Renault/lotus/team enstone whatever they're called pioneered in 2009. This has been widely reported by pretty much everyone that covers F1. Maybe read more before making statements.

Those quotes don't suggest whatsoever that it wasn't old technology. You can still have old technology that is continuously developed and improved, like FRIC suspension for example.


"The Motor magazine" has a feature on it!


Fraid It is! Renault were using it 5 years ago.

.......I'm off to look.

Ok for a forum maybe try: f1technical.net forum and search.

For a magazine article try "Autosport", Try "Motor"


From what I heard , only Torro Rosso, Caterham and Force India have refused to agree on a postpone ban so I doubt its any of the big teams trying to get one over the other. My guess is its Caterham - getting upset that they are getting beaten by Marussia and causing all this turmoil for the sake of a point here or there.

Of course it could be Force India who are the only team not running FRIC. Strange that TorroRosso is not doing what RedBull want though.


I saw an interview with Force India on the sky F1 show last weekend and they were saying that they had been testing their system at the Silverstone test and it had worked really well and it would have put them much further up the grid. For a team that doesn't have 'loads' of money it would be silly to develop a new suspension system then try and ban without even using it in a race. Maybe it was a load of misdirection to take the heat off of them but I can only repeat what I heard and anything else is just speculation.


Mr Allen thank you for a superb inlook in forthcoming F1 race this weekend in Germany.

As always precise and to the point,

Some may disagree with your coments,but in my book you call a spade a spade and that is all about it that matters.

Thank you

kenneth chapman

This FRIC nonsense just gets sillier and beyond ludicrous. if, as whiting says, some teams have gone over the top with the 'fric' application and that they are now illegal then how can whiting say, 'hang on chaps' if you all agree not to protest you can keep these illegal options on your cars until the end of the season?' if they are 'illegal now' then how can the FIA continue to knowingly allow them to compete irrespective of how the teams vote?

james. i have requested quite a few times that you approach the tech chappies and see if we can get some detail of just what has happened. who are the culprits? what was the 'tipping point'? etc etc etc. seeing as this debacle could possibly change the final half of the season and influence the championship for some players ' surely it would be vital to clear up the details!


Yes, the lack of details about who's doing what with this FRIC business is very strange. The teams obviously know what's going on, and they are not very good at keeping secrets (in fact they love telling tales about one another) so you'd imagine the press knows as well. But the fans are still in the dark.


The rule under which FRIC might be considered illegal is just a catch all clause.

It could also be argued engines are illegal since they affect the aerodynamic performance of the car as it is propelled forwards. Ok that was tongue in cheek, to illustrate how ridicules the rules actually are.

Go Caterham, protest that you slow pokes...


I recall watching the thermal vision/race cam on one of the Redbull cars and seeing the inside front tire getting hot through a high load corner when intuitively you would expect the outside one to be taking most of the load and thus generate more heat. I suspected then that a FRIC type suspension was responsible, so I now expect the Redbull to suffer somewhat more significantly with the removal of this technology than other teams due to the fact that they seem to have taken advantage of the technology very well.. It will be interesting to see who suffers increased tire wear issues this weekend, especially with uneven wear.


The teams need to tell FIA, FRIC off.


Oddly enough that is what the FIA are hoping the teams will team them 😉


"teams will team them"

Good grief... 🙁


from what i can gather one of the teams submitted a new system which not only allows for control of left/right front/rear suspension but now a system that is even more extreme which helps removes the down force in high speed straights,

hence the reason it had to come to a head, it has gone too far and Whiting had to put at stop to it,

so there will be no agreement,

wounder who needed more speed down the straight and had the know how to alter it?

Adrian Newey maybe...

kenneth chapman

@ eric morman, could you point me to where this info came to light as i would like to read more about it?


Are there different systems of FRIC James?


Hi James,

From your article on FRIC a while a go:


"If through the FRIC system you could minimise the pitch in the car under straight line braking manoeurvre, that would help the stability and thus ease the driver’s insecurity. So FRIC suspension may well be a pre-cursor to the introduction of the passive DRS system in races."

Does this mean there may be safety concerns for the drivers related to FRIC and the use of DRS?


Its all speculation, we won't know until the weekend. I'm going to guess that the team who caused the stir is fezzavile. They are the only ones with enough clout to get the little monkey to do what is required for them. I'm going to guess that the system is far more complicated than we know. Think about our understanding of the blown diffuser. We though it was worth a few tenths and it turned our the bullies had in fact designed their whole car round it and it was worth over a second at some circuts. It will come out over the weekend what has been going on. The mercs are still way way ahead, I will eat my hat if it has a significant effect on their relative performance.


willing to see new driving difficulties

and pilots dealing with them


James Williams F1 just tweeted that they are delighted to welcome Fernando Alonso to Williams factory to meet Frank... is this the silly season?

Stephen Taylor

New Hockenheim is a shadow of the old one. It lacks charm and character. It is totally unworthy of the

Hockenheimring name.


Supersoft and Soft, bit ambitious isn't it...?


No not really, considering Pirelli's rock hard spec of tyres this year. Possibly the worst tyres in terms of grip ever in F1. They should use the supersoft and soft every race. Look at last race Lewis could have easily 1 stopped at silverstone! one of the most demanding tracks on tyres on the calendar.


If that williams rumour is true, good on him. Alonso's a good driver. About time he got a drive with a top team.


Should the other teams close up to Merc I don't mind, but what next if FRIC does not affect them and they are now 2 secs ahead in Germany. What's the next step then? It could backfire.

kenneth chapman

i believe that mecedes will not be running FRIC at this race. so what does that mean? it means that they are not going to risk any possibility of a protest which would eat into their massive points advantage. a risk averse strategy.

however as i said in another thread, if all teams race sans FRIC then the status quo will remain unaltered and MB will still be proverbial streets ahead of anyone else.


They should run it on one car and not the other. A buck each way.

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