F1 Winter Break
Hamilton makes up with Rosberg – long term fix or elastoplast?
Posted By: James Allen  |  02 Jun 2014   |  2:40 pm GMT  |  589 comments

This Sunday the Mercedes drivers Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg will go head to had once again in the Canadian Grand Prix and over the weekend Hamilton took steps to tone down the bitter atmosphere, which had sprung up between them in Monaco.

He posted a tweet with a photo of the pair as kids saying, “We’ve been friends a long time & as friends we have our ups & downs. Today we spoke & we’re cool, still friends #noproblem”

This is worth a moment’s examination.

First it is clear that Hamilton does not – at this stage at least – want this to escalate into a full blown feud, like Mansell and Piquet or Prost and Senna from the past. Both of these were triggered by a breakdown in trust, as was the start of the Hamilton/Rosberg tension.

The build up to Monaco featured both drivers illicitly using a maximum engine mode (Rosberg in Bahrain and Hamilton in Spain) against team wishes. That has been stamped out. But then the affair blew up in Monaco, with Hamilton clearly miffed that Rosberg had deliberately blocked his final run in qualifying to take pole and set himself up for the win. He left no-one in any doubt about that and on Saturday even murmured about taking a leaf from Senna’s book. Post race he was asked about that and said that he hadn’t done that, clearly; in other words he hadn’t taken Rosberg out at the first corner.

Hamilton wanted to turn Monaco to his advantage, but instead he did the opposite: he came across as a bad loser, upset many of his own fans with the way he carried himself, he attracted criticism from some leading lights such as John Surtees, Mika Hakkinen and even FIA steward Derek Warwick. And, of course, the stewards found no proof that Rosberg had done it deliberately.

Hamilton has reflected on these reactions and this has clearly informed his decision to patch things up with Rosberg.

Another important aspect, which he will have realised, is that Montreal is likely to favour him, as he has a fantastic record around there, with three wins and three poles. Along with Hungary it has always been a circuit which suits him more than any other driver out there. Mercedes will have a significant car advantage there and he wants a nice clean weekend, focussed on the job of getting pole, the win and the championship lead back; no distractions.

He does not want to have to fend off media questions about Monaco, Rosberg and all the rest of it. Monaco showed that Rosberg can play that game better. Hamilton’s best approach is to try to beat Rosberg on the track and keep his powder dry on their rivalry.

It is true that they have been friends for many years and that this counts for something. It certainly differentiates them from the other high profile team mate feuds of the past.

On the one hand it shows sensible management of the situation, but it comes only after his instinctive handling of the situation in Monaco backfired. Not for the first time, he has had to change position.

Although it makes a more compelling narrative for the media and encourages the fans to tune in to watch, emotion needs to be kept out of his title campaign.

It is there for the taking; but mastering himself is as important as mastering Rosberg.

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"Monaco showed that Rosberg can play that game better. "

James, I'm interested to understand how you arrived at this opinion. I see Martin Brundle has said that he was in the minority at Monaco in thinking that Rosberg hadn't crashed on purpose and it seemed that the celebration of pole was met with almost universal disapproval. As such, did Rosberg really do himself any favours at Monaco, apart from the race win, of course?

For the record, I write this as somebody who, upon reflection, does not believe that Rosberg caused the yellow flag deliberately and think Hamilton could have handled the situation better. At the same time, I thought Rosberg's (over) celebration of pole was in really poor taste, hence the question.


I think we're being a little harsh on James here. Of course he will have drivers he likes and doesn't like just like the rest of us. As he said it is his job to be impartial and compared to some other pundits I think he does a very good job of it. Its easy to say from one article "he doesn't like Hamilton" but if you compare all the articles James writes about him you will probably find there is a healthy balance of "positive" and "negative" bits.

Hamilton is always a divisive character anyway, it is impossible not to admire his talent but his whinging on the radio and sultriness in post race interviews makes him very hard to like sometimes.


I too would love to know. It seems many in the press simply prefer Lewis to shut up and accept anything thrown at him. He is judged with a different set of scales.

So what game is Rosberg supposed to be a better player of? Cheating? Is that admirable so far as Lewis is the target? I don't get it.


My take on why the conlcuions is that Nico has played the game better - lack of emotional displays. At this level of sport the differences come down to what is going on inside the driver's head. As an ex-racer myself I used to try and niggle the opposition. If you got an emotional response then you know you have got inside their head and have them beaten. Look at how Valentino Rossi has done this over his career - he has been a master of it.

Why does a show of emotion make a man beaten? Because his decisions are based on revenge, or getting even - redressing some sort of wrong. That takes focus (and crucial analytical thinking) away from simply being the fastest they can be on track. Look at how many times Lewis tangled with Felipe in the past (often way down the field) with both of them showing emotional outbursts. They were no longer focussed on themselves being fast but trying to get even or gaining the moral high ground in their little spats.

There is a biological reason why, in sporting situations at least, emotion gets in the way of optimal performance but we don't have the space to cover it here. Suffice to say, Nico maintained a calm, almost detached, view of the on-track events whilst Lewis got all fired up and emotional. Being fired up can be a good thing if the person can channel that into greater focus on themselves but I don't see that happening with Lewis, hence his desire for a quiet weekend in Canada.


I can assure you that any racer worth his salt is able to be apoplectic right up until the lights go out. Except possibly a certain pay driver around at the moment.

If you come through the ridiculously unreliable world of 2 stroke racing where a jet size or slight weather change can ruin a whole weekend and your bank account through mechanical failure time after time, you soon learn how to deal with on track off track matters.

However add 'woman' to the mix and frankly anyone can be forgiven.

What? No one here ever been affected by matters of the heart more than pretty much anything else in life?

I think given his age, and the obvious pressures placed on him by a certain not as young, media hungry and savvy lady, he could be forgiven for an occasional brain fart!


Great point, but not sure it is backed up by what happened on the track. Rosberg has made more pressure mistakes on the track, including Monaco regardless of what else one agrees on. Nothing wrong with Lewis' driving in the race. Safety car prevented a fight on race day. Rosberg in fuel saving would have been easier game on most other tracks. It is possible to be upset outside the car and then get back into the zone when driving. Have still not seen Lewis' so-called radio outbursts cause an error though I don't know what effect it has on his team. Clearly he knows how to race. You don't earn 30+ poles, 25+ wins by not knowing how to focus. Yup, 2011 was an aberration and there have been over-aggressive pressure mistakes at brazil '07, fuji '08, monza '10. We have yet to see Rosberg prove himself as a championship contender.


Lewis seems to see problems and shadows of problems all the time and seems unable to keep them to himself (for example, his various unprovoked outbursts against Jenson Button during 2012). Fairly or not it does not endear him to a large portion of the media and fans.


Rosberg's calmer public demeanor is certainly better in this respect, as for the two driver's relationship, I expect that it will only truly heal when one or both of them are retired from F1. They are two of the best drivers on the grid, with the best car, they will do whatever it takes to win. That kind of pressure takes it toll on any friendship, but the pressure doesn't last forever.


Rosberg has made more pressure mistakes on the track. Calmer outside the car does not necessarily make you a better driver.


Interesting that Rosberg has come out of a situation in which he most likely [mod] better...but this is only because the anti-Lewis elements in the media have chosen to twist things the way they please to make it appear thus via their opinions,and their voice has been louder than those who think Nico [mod]. There is no connection with the facts. Mark Hughes has been one standout exception in this regard. While not taking sides, he has quite clearly stuck to his assertion that he believes Nico's act was deliberate. It was nice that Jenson took the opportunity to say something positive about Lewis, in my view a subtle hint as to what his view on the incident is. Derek Warwick has done himself no favors by saying the character of the person involved had a lot to do with his decision, and stating the championship situation was also a serious consideration...according to Hughes the stewards also apparently did not choose to review tire loading data to help explain the sawing of the wheel, and ignored the suspicious act of reversing towards oncoming cars.

The negativity towards Lewis, where some media elements twist almost anything he does into a negative to a far greater extent than they do with other drivers, then maintain silence when he does something indisputably brilliant, is a bit perverse in my opinion. Before last year it was poor decision making in joining Merc, before this season it was his inability to master the new regs, now it his poor sportsmanship (ironically). This is about a world champion, a man who has won multiple races with a panache that is sadly missing from his team-mate's wins (the last three of which have been on the back of Lewis being disadvantaged).

Alexander supertramp

Very very good comment!


Mate, I am going to keep an eye out for your future posts - that is a brilliant comment.

You are a beacon of hope for the rest of us Hamilton fans, who, day in day out, see our guy get taken to the cleaners by the F1 press, whilst they blithely sweep any crimes and misdemeanours from others under the carpet.

Rosberg's celebrations were a palpable disgrace. No question. Yet no F1 journo, came out with a strong opinion either way, and nor did they call out Rosberg for his appalling behaviour. Lewis would have been crucified a hundred times over, and a hundred times again. And then raked over the coals, for good measures.

Instead, everyone pats Rosberg on the back for winning the media game (did he? Really?) and paint it as some great trait worthy of praising. So was it a case of saying: "Well done, Nico. You might have cheated, in fact I don't care if you did or not, because you lied beautifully in front of the cameras. Stick that up Lewis's jacksie!"

Frankly, I can't see how anyone can say Lewis came off worse. Why? Because he reacted angry that he clearly lost the chance for the pole, and hence the win - and quite probably because of an instance of cheating (according to majority of paddock). And as for Surtees, there is one guy who has never had a single good word to say about hamilton. Nothing, which hasn't involved a bigger dig straight after it.


"Instead, everyone pats Rosberg on the back for winning the media game (did he? Really?) and paint it as some great trait worthy of praising."

And these people still manage to convince themselves that they are 'impartial'.


A beacon of hope! lol.


Well said, Nathan!

Hey, check this out! I remember way back when, after the Imola Grand Prix of '82, the end result being a huge blow up on the rostrum between Ferrari teammates Gilles Villenueve and Didier Pironi.

Scope You Tube, and find a video of that happening. Boy, I'll tell you, Villeneuve was by no means celebrating.... In fact, he looked as if he was ready to hit Pironi over the head with a magnum Moet bottle! Simply furious!

I recall, there was lot's of sympathy for Gilles in motor racing press, after that incident, unlike Hamilton, this time around. Villenueve was very popular. At the same time, Lewis Hamilton is very popular. So where's the difference?

Hamilton looked real cool and unfazed on the rostrum, while wearing his shades, compared to Gilles, I'll tell yah.... Lewis was kind of like--"Okay, mate! This is how low down and dirty you're gonna take it...."

That's it, I didn't see anything else in Lewis' behavior on the podium at Monaco. He even managed a forced smile, here and there....

I can say explicitly that there was not one negative comment in the press, that I ever read, criticizing Villenueve's behavior on the podium, that fateful day in May of *82. And sadly, Gilles died tragically two weeks later, while taking a huge risk in qualifying at the Belgium GP, trying to out qualify Pironi--very sad....

I recall it all like it was yesterday. I read everything concerning Gilles Villenueve at the time. He was my favorite, like Lewis Hamilton is today..... Both very dynamic drivers, with tons of flair.

Anyway, sorry folks, I stand by the way I see this matter. Certainly, a big stain on the F1 circus, on a social level, in my opinion.


A lot of people find it hard to separate the off-track persona from the on-track performance. In a sense, this is an emotional reaction from self-proclaimed neutrals. The sound bites collected by the media may or may not be outcomes of thorough analyses, more likely they are the reactions of observers to events filtered via their own biases, and we spend way too much time amplifying and dissecting them here. A little humility from the experts is always appreciated...they are bound to get it wrong sometimes, but the more one knows, the harder it becomes to keep an open mind sometimes. If Nico's driving is defensible, then Lewis' reaction to it certainly is as well, as you say. This is not the first time a great driver will have had a difficult relationship with his national media. Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost (until Senna became his nemesis) to name two examples.


I think itäs sad that the pro-HAM thinks that all the rest is anti-HAM. My humble opinion is that HAM is one of the best in the field, but behaves like a spoild child.

I was at Monaco, I didn't see anything in the circuit, after the pole or after the victory that said that ROS celebrated "too much". As James is saying, if there is no smoking gun found from the experts, how can HAM-fans be so sure that it's a set-up by ROS???

In the case of MSC vs ALO it was quite obvious. The classic "second is the first looser" is the perfect quote for the WE.



As far as the experts go (ie...race stewards)I personally think pressure from the very vocal outcry against the "new" F1 format made the FIA & CO. super gun shy in terms of making yet another decision that would cause, still more, criticism.

Let's take the Monaco GP, for instance.... It was only eight tears ago that Michael Schumacher infamously disrupted final qualifying with his intentional crash at Rascasse corner.

Then, this season, we sat and watched Nico Rosberg (in my opinion) do exactly the same move as Schuey, ruining, yet, another Monaco final qualifying session.

Now, here we are watching Monaco GP 2015. Once again, whatever driver is on top of the time sheets with just a minute to go before the checkered flag, ending final qualifying, said pilot does, once again, the some cheating strategy.

Well, I think you could then honestly say that the oldest Grand Prix race on the calender, the Grand Prix du Monaco, would for all practical purposes, cease to exist as a, truly, legitimate entity worth taking seriously .

So, in realty, the decision made by the race stewards concerning Rosberg's yellow flag incident at Monte Carlo, (again in my opinion) was heavily influenced by mounting pressures and politics from inside and outside the sport.


I agree totally, Samir....

I've been following Grand Prix racing for over four decades and I've never seen an F1 driver so reviled and ridiculed as Lewis Hamilton. Of course in recent times the development and influence of the IT social media has enhanced this phenomenon a million fold.

Years earlier, for by far the most part, F1 drivers were nothing but heroes and Grand Prix Champions worshiped as romanticized stars. However, the criticism of Hamilton's behavior after Monaco qualifying, and on the podium post-race goes beyond unfair and insensitive.

After all, Hamilton felt cheated in a big way, and he had every reason to believe that to be the case. I felt the same way, too.... The scenario, after final qualifying and the race, was a big drag on my head, the whole race weekend ruined for me!

In fact, the media's treatment of Lewis is way too obvious in my opinion, and as an observer, for the first time in 45 years of enthusiasm, I feel a tinge of shame being a fan of F1 racing.

I found Mika Hakkinen's comments particularly appalling and full of favoritism. You just have to consider the fact that Nico Rosberg's father, Keke, is Finnish (like Mika), was his manager during Hakkinen's F1 career and they are best of friends.... No doubt, Hakkinen used his access to the media to go about helping in destabilizing Lewis' head during his F1 title fight with Nico. Again, too obvious....

Derek Warwick's comments were, also, out of bounds seeing as how he was, supposedly, an objective race steward whose decision was free of any opinion or bias.....

All in all, this whole episode I find very ugly and distasteful.


Excellent comment.

Note how many (albeit with the help of a ridiculously irresponsible story hunting media) unheard of lately stars pop out the woodwork to have their say.

Given Mika sat behind a load of trees crying at one point because it did not go all his way, I would have kept my mouth shut! And that's a driver I respect!

As for DW - can you name one occasion where he was the driver marshal and supported Lewis? I am struggling.

I do feel that regardless of their previous history with the FIA - such positions should be filled by those that have experienced life at the front of the field. I have always been impressed by DW fighting qualities but being blunt. Has he ever been where NR, LW, FA and VT are year on year?

That experience has a whole different pressure on how you act, behave and race...

Better than none at all I suppose but...

How is that for controversial?


It didn't take too long until someone brings the nationality thing into the discussion. Mate, why can't you simply accept other's opinions without leaning them on national bias? You are being rude to Mika. You probably can't find a more honest person than Mika within the past WC's. Do you even know him personally? I do.



I don't agree with any criticism of James Allen's outlook on Lewis Hamilton. I've always seen it as far an objective and I think James is (secretly) a big fan of Hamilton's....

kenneth chapman

all very interesting and conspiracies aside why does hamilton think that he can get away with comments such as 'if you'd seen what i have seen' etc etc etc. he then hides behind a wall of secrecy so as to shield him from further scrutiny.

he should 'man up'. if he has evidence of rosberg [mod] then he should make it public. he is in fact defaming the stewards and rosberg. these comments are actionable. if i was warwick/rosberg i would offer him an option. show us the proof or apologise publicly. this is no more and no less than the common law rights of any individual in a democracy.

why some people continue to defend him despite the aforementioned is beyond me.


Kenneth, the earlier twittergate episode would have made Lewis LESS trigger happy when it comes to sharing confidential information. The level of transparency in F1 decision making makes it impossible for journalists (or technically oriented fans) to have the data they need to make better decisions. My own suspicions were aroused by some curious aspects of Rosberg's driving during the incident, which I have raised in other posts. Many commentators have reported that several figures in the F1 paddock believe the "error" was deliberate. As such, Rosberg's reputation is most likely stained by his own actions. All the same, Michael Schumacher's shenanigans never lost him fans, neither did Senna's alienate his worshipers. So you needn't worry...there aren't too many saints in F1 anyway. This topic has been a bit overplayed in the media, as one might expect, and I for one have spent too much time dissecting it (lot of fun though).

kenneth chapman

@ samir.... "he cannot man-up' because etc etc etc. what a load of old garbanzos. if i recall correctly didn't hamilton post confidential maclaren data on his twitter account some time ago?

anyway, that is beside the point. the fact remains, he has cast a slur on rosberg's integrity and he does not have the 'intestinal fortitude' to either publicly apologise or provide the evidence.

hamilton fans can waffle all they like but they cannot escape the aforementioned facts and the subsequent conclusions.

yes, he does attract a lot of attention from the media etc. have you ever asked the question why? are you aware of what 'brand hamilton' is? it is a marketing exercise to keep him on the front pages and inevitably he will be put under the microscope. his actions in monaco did just that and he has to be aware of what the outcome is.

simply put, if you make allegations just make sure that you have the evidence to back them up. in this case, no evidence has been provided.

fortunately or unfortunately this matter will not die as the season has quite a long way to run and the media will ensure that it is kept alive. should make for an interesting time.


The last time he made anything public I seem to recall you were all for having him hung drawn and quartered?

Regardless of the how's and whys - if a snooker player gets a fluke that changes the face of a match - do they run around the table looking for someone to hug?

No they hold their hands up and apologise.

It is that component (along with a ridiculously hurried attempt to find reverse) that completely soured the whole matter. Anything Lewis did from that point should be a non story or be forgiven but, no, once again the bad guy is Lewis. And that despite his incredible efforts this year to overcome a 25 point deficit while providing us with an excellent set of races. All to see it vanish with yet another unfair mess.

Sometimes I wonder what the critical public and the media actually want from F1?

kenneth chapman

@C63....regarding ricciardo, yes you are quite correct but it was a totally different scenario as i'm sure that, if you give it some thought, would agree.

the RBR situation was one of disputation between the FIA and RBR and technically had zip to do with ricciardo, as the FIA acknowledged publically. my support for ricciardo was based simply on that supposition and that there were precedents where teams had been penalised and because the drivers had no input into those team decisions the drivers were allowed to keep their points.

you must also take into account that i repeatedly stated that if the FIA proved their case legally then RB should suffer whatever penalty was handed out.

the current situation with hamilton/rosberg bears no similarity whatsoever apart from the fact that FIA have adjudicated and found no malfeasance on the part of rosberg. despite all this hamilton has hid behind this 'cannot disclose' the data to back up his assertions which i find totally weak. he puts it out that rosberg cheated but when push comes to shove he hides. a bit like the eric lutz/sutil escapadeIIRC.

anyway, all that aside, it is now back to the racing and we will see where the pieces fall in this ongoing battle of the wills.[wheels]thoroughly enjoyable.


why some people continue to defend him despite the aforementioned is beyond me...

C'mon KC, you know very well why people defend him. It's because they are fans. I recall you were very defensive about Rickys disqualification in Australia - but to me it was a slam dunk. RBR had ignored the FIA instruction to turn down fuel flow and were out of the race as a consequence. You as a fan of Ricky felt very hard done by though and continued to argue the point.

Having said that, I don't think Hamilton handled the situation very well and came across as sulky. As Gazboy says - take the points, bring it home and live to fight another day.


I agree.

The way I look it, it's 1 race out of 19, and the 19th race has double points anyway! No racing driver in modern grand prix racing has won every single race of the season and should be able to compartmentalise that.

Is there any shame in finishing 2nd once in a while? A driver gets a good spoonful of points, 18 to be precise (36 at Abu Dhabi!), and of course in 2 of the last 4 seasons the points difference between the world champion and runner up has just been a few, so take the points, bring it home, live to fight another day!


He cannot man up by sharing confidential data. He has to be careful not to explicitly call Rosberg a [mod]. It is not easy to express yourself in an atmosphere with so many constraints, which is why to not say anything can be the best response (Kimi was upset about strategy post-Spain to the point that he couldn't say anything). Ideally, the information presented to the stewards should be presented to the public and transcript of discussion with the drivers/teams revealed. Of course, this will never happen. Lack of transparency is not a new situation in F1.



I can't say it better.

The whole world would have come to past if Lewis had done what Nico did in Monaco. Yet none of the medias has questioned Nico's integrity.

@James, you can easily jump to analyze Hamilton's body language, but yet you find it difficult to tell us the obvious. What is your position on the Nico incident? Was it deliberate or not? Yes the Stewards cleared him, but what is your position? Nobody is going to call for your head on a spike, just tell us what you believe. We might disagree with you on that, but would know your position on that. You can't tell us that you don't have your personal opinion or that you agree with all the stewards decision without any question. Your personal opinion matters to us.


James, it's cool! It appears that the stewards may not have reviewed all the data that they could (tire loading apparently was not reviewed per Mark Hughes). Derek Warwick's comments have incensed fans more as they seem to argue for the integrity of the driver rather than provide a completely unbiased picture. The stewards and FIA have frequently let fans down with their decisions, therefore their final verdict is equivalent to a soccer referee who could not see a dive despite having the best seat in the house. The media has spent an inordinate amount of time focusing on subjective things such as the "behavior" of the driver etc etc in a sport full of people who rarely say what they really think anyway. I think it's fair to point out that there is no single "acceptable behavioral norm" and Lewis' behavior is not at all different from that of many sportsmen and even his peers (remember Alonso's "it's not a sport" type of comment at Monza '06?). There are aspects of Rosberg's behavior, between his spell's of smoothness, that are unsavory as well. In any case, giving Rosberg any kind of penalty (even one for "inexplicably" reversing) would have hurt a championship fight that is close mainly due to Hamilton's AUS retirement. Controversies buy eyeballs and this is in fact an outcome that I am certain that Bernie, FIA and the media loves...though it may not necessarily be sport!


Im with James on this! Nicos integrity was called into question thats why his pole was being scrutinised. He was cleared! What else can you say on the matter? Even Derek Warwick has been interviewed about how and why he came to the decision, how he had all the data, and was satisfied no mischief had taken place. Next!! #:)


Data isn't even required just look at the footage. It wasn't even that big a lock up and he was correcting the car unnecessarily so that he wouldn't make the corner. Just like Michael did.

Anyway at least Lewis will thrash Rosberg in Montreal, not too many places to accidentally park up there


I've already said my position several times last week -

I have my suspicions, like many people, but the stewards on site had all the data and found no smoking gun proof, so I accept that.

No-one can say categorically ROS did it deliberately, because the evidence studied by qualified people doesn't bear it out. What else can you do or say on the matter?


I too would love to hear your answer to the above James. Yes Hamilton could have come out of this looking really bad? But are you so sure Ros did himself any favours?


I think James was reffering to Nico being more media savvy.


Agreed and perhaps I should have been clearer, but still, would such celebrating in that way be endearing to the media? I know Brundle was commentating on Sky and commented that the celebration seemed a little strange and inappropriate. While one can never be sure, I can't help but think that media in other countries might have felt the same.


The celebration, while unedifying to me, was not in an environment where the media could immediately call him on it. In a press conference the media pack can read the body language and push the pressure points. James has had a long time to study Hamilton, and while he mentions Monaco specifically, there is a trend.


I also thought the celebration was wildly innapropriate but have to admit that Nico came across better in the post quali/race interviews. I guess it is easy to be sanguine when your the one who has gained an advantage, and very difficult for Lewis to hide his anger at the sutuation. It seems that the people do expect drivers to hide their true feelings in interview and generally lie when asked direct questions, Lewis clearly needs to work on this skill to avoid the kind of abuse he has received after Monaco.


I don't think nico drew the yellow flags on purpose, so I doubt he was concerned about how celebrate. I also doubt he realized how the whole situation looked from Lewis' or the fans perspective. Nico apologized when he realized the situation later.


I think the celebrating on Rosberg's part was mind games to Lewis. Lewis would have been thinking there "why is he doing?" "Did he crash on purpose?" It clearly annoyed the hell out of lewis seeing Rosberg on pole the way in the way he had got it. Rosberg was adding a little fuel to the fire and using the situation to his advantage. Lewis has played his own mind games on Rosberg earlier in the year for example in Malaysia he was saying things like "I have never finished ahead a team mate with such a big gap etc" really rubbing salt onto the wounds after that race.

They are both racers and both know that to win you need use every moment to your own gain. I think the whole Monaco thing would have really blown up if they had crashed into each other or if Lewis had allowed his anger to put him into the wall.


Like Martin Brundle James is clearly not a Lewis fan.

Mike from Colombia

Most of the paddock believes that Nico did it on purpose. Ted reported that these included experienced team principals.

Why didin't any of these people speak up?

a) It is of no benefit to Mercedes. They had grid positions 1 and 2 anwyay.
b) Any team calling Nico a [mod] could have kissed goodbye to the opportunity to hire Rosberg in the future
c) Mercedes supplies a third of the grid...why risk their wrath?
d) Bernie does not want any anti-German sentiment at the moment

Lewis spoke out because he was the only person to gain from doing so. In practical terms it didn't matter to anyone else. If one of the Red Bull drivers had done this, then Mercedes would be all over it.

Telemtry does not tell everything. If only telemetry was relied on then we would never have discovered Crashgate and Schumacher would never have been penalised for Jerez 2007. Maldonado would only have half of the penalties he had now.

This season has seen journalistic standards slip dramatically. A willingness to ignore facts and opinions when it suits a bias.

Most of these journos are heavily compromised. I mean, if you hitch a lift back on someone's private jet then you're not going to go out of your way to criticise them and p them off afterwards?

I think that at some point Hamilton must have flipped with some journalists over some issue and they have had it in for him ever since.


@Martin Last year,it was the same.Nico was better on the brakes and much more comfortable entering into Ste devote but when we came to Montreal,he was no where near Hamilton,finishing off a staggering 54 seconds behind.


Neither am I, with good reason. Just look at the whole Monaco weekend. Lewis claims he deserves it more than Nico because of his humble upbringings, but who was the bigger prima dona in Monte Carlo? Nico, meanwhile, stayed a true professional.


Nico the true professional???? What, because he served the Grand Prix up to himself on a silver platter by 'accidentally' bringing out yellow flags? True professional? For crying out loud, of course he tried to stay professional as it was all he could not to crack his face in half by grinning from ear to ear so much. He had to step away from the camera to stop himself from guffawing into his sport drink, I'll bet, from pure glee.



James is actually commenting on Lewis's reflection and change of heart regarding the friendship.

How is that being a Lewis [mod], or being biased - seriously?

BTW I love Lewis's ballsy driving, but HATE his constant whinging on team radio when things don't go his way. Unfortunately it reminds me of Vettel and his spoilt brat tendencies...

BTW....I think Lewis will end up wiping the floor this year and claim his 2nd championship, hopefully it does it with more class than he's been displaying of late so I can be genuinely happy for him.

Keep up the great work James, love this website and seeing you on Channel 10!


Exactly. You've nailed every point. I read this website because JA calls it the way he sees it and clearly goes to considerable lengths to inform his view. Without knowing what they are doing, it is clear that a lot of the posters here, calling for 'more impartiality', are actually calling for 'equal positive and negative comments about everyone please' … no thanks. total yawn.

Impartiality means calling a spade a spade.


Thanks ! You get it!


No wonder. If someone who earns a lot money states maybe it's because I'm black instead of accepting his own failure, that doesn't bring him any sympathy in a world dominated by whites.


I'm neither a fan nor am I anti - my job is to be impartial.

Lewis has many outstanding qualities and some less so. I've known him since he was a teenager, after all an covered his career in detail since GP2


James, whatever you do don't say Slope !!

By the way I think you do a pretty good job of remaining impartial.

Mike from Colombia

James, I think that most readers here would feel that to criticise you here would come across as being truly ungrateful for all your incredible work.

I love your output and am a big fan of yours ever since your race strategy reports in the late 90s. What you have done in terms of building this site from nothing is truly amazing.

However, I have to say that ever since you left ITV you have come across as very anti-Hamilton. At first, I thought it was a reaction to those who said you were too pro-Hamilton when at ITV but now it seems to have become very persistent.

Something must have happened between Hamilton and the media as there seems to be a huge disparity between the deep felt affection of Hamilton's massive fanbase and that of the more sophisticated groups of F1 journalists.


Sorry, i meant to write "pure objectivity" in the first paragraph.


Sorry James, but pure subjectivity is an illusion.

As a human being, you have your views, prejudices and opinions. It is simply impossible to put them TOTALLY aside in a way that eliminates any contamination in your writings. This is not a slight on your journalistic abilities; but simple human psychology. The challenge is to minimize the effects your opinions have on your objectivity; as it is impossible to eradicate it.

Simply put, anything we say, do or experience is always through the lens and filter of our subjective consciousness.

Saying that i believe you agree with the way in which Lewis conducts himself outside the car; and you are not alone in this regard. This conclusion is NOT based on this article alone, and therefore, it is impossible for this personal opinion not to leak out every now and then when you write about him.

This is what makes you biased against Lewis, though not maliciously so.


I think you mean objectivity in first para


Hi James,

My sense, having read your comments over ~ 5 years is that you do a good job of being impartial. Me feeling is that compared to some other journalists (Mark Hughes and Edd Straw as two examples) more of your own analysis of drivers is on the human side and less is made of which driver might be fastest over one lap. Instead you'll take notice of what the engineers give you in terms of feedback about who is particularly good based on the data they have. Since you don't spend/waste time on the aura of Hamilton being the fastest over one lap, you are possibly seen as not giving credit to Hamilton by some here.

That you regularly watch the drivers answer questions from the pack, I can completely understand what you mean by Hamilton getting on done by people paid to ask questions and to get a story. Judging by the Hamilton's radio traffic, I suspect the way he manages the team out of the car may not be as adept as Rosberg either. Whether it has any effect on his results is another matter. 2011 suggests it could be a possibility.

For fans, Hamilton is fast, has great instinct for passing and will favour aggressive strategies over the long game. That is all great for fans, but they are not the only qualities that help. I think you get that about right.

A thought on Canada, there was a comment from the Barcelona test that Rosberg had improved his braking performance, and area Hamilton had been better this year. That Rosberg was generally the faster in sector one over the weekend at Monaco, where braking for Ste Devote is the main event, may bode well for Rosberg in Canada.




No offence James but there is impartial and 'impartial' the fact you are justifying this suggests to those not totally convinced, the latter. I am fairly sure your not aware but success sometimes means a higher profile and thus...

Regardless this site is not as ridiculous as others. Personally, Lewis is hugely talented (I have watched him since he was 11! - frankly his earlier years pre Mclaren sponsored would give you more idea as to why he can sometimes be emotional) his age and experience is rarely put forward in defence of his occasional outbursts along with some truly ridiculous treatment by fans and race management in his first two years in F1. No one else has put up with the crap he has in their early years yet he is still a prime target for the impartial and unbiased media. Strange that?

Particularly when you look at his record.

And particularly when you measure that in the RB dominant years - only Alonso has been as successful in those. A more mature (years) and someone belonging to a team wholly focused on him. Unlike Lewis...

He may pi** off people of the 'media' despite his golden output but he deserves respect regardless.


I disagree I think the point of the article is very clear. LH needs to grip his emotions and focus on the win. It is obvious from past seasons that LH lets his emotions affect his racing and it has cost him many points. I'm a LH fan as I think that he is an amazing driver but he has to fight himself on track at times...the likes of FA and SV do not. They effectively have one less (and arguably less damaging) rival.

To completely contradict myself...it's nice to see a sports star with human flaws. I believe LH can master his and that this experience is part of that (grasshopper).


Hi, whilst i may not agree with everything James say, i think he is being quite impartial here.


Away from Hamilton and towards Alonso!



I'd say just read your own articles James.

My guess would be you haven't even picked up on the subtle yet consistent anti-Lewis sentiment in Martin Brundle's commentary.


hi james - i appreciate how you call it but something to keep in mind is that there is no such thing as impartiality. everyone brings their own unique cultural baggage to the table.

its one of the big misconceptions that dogs the media. the media by its very nature makes it impossible to be impartial.

The medium is the message.

wiki - The phrase was introduced by marshall mcluhan in his book, Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man. McLuhan proposes that a medium itself, not the content it carries, should be the focus of study. He said that a medium affects the society in which it plays a role not only by the content delivered over the medium, but also by the characteristics of the medium itself.

i think lewis should talk to alan jones about dealiing with team mates. carlos reutemann dudded jones on a team agreement. after that it was war. this is f1 not playschool.


Impartial does not equate to sanitizing comments about any particular driver, just b/c that driver's fanbase might get out of sorts, b/c of the comments. There have been times where I thought JA was being a touch unfair to LH, and commented about it, but on the whole he's as fair as can be.

JA, on another site I saw the claim that there have already been fisticuffs (or maybe just handbags) in the Mercedes team between the mechanics from the two garages. Can you confirm or deny that?

It's a mostly alien situation in the Mercedes team at the moment, as the drivers' fight is purely internal, and there is no external fight for the WCC. They will always have to keep in mind that eventually the situation will normalize, and again the major battle will be external. Just have to make sure things are not said now, that could linger into that future period.


I don't believe it


You are clearly against Lewis little diggs everywhere


Are you a fan of any driver at all?

Sure your job is to be impartial but the there seem to be a unique style in writing amount you and fellow pundits. Hardly disagreements. Unlike fans whom are always divided on opinions which is a good thing I think.


Lewis receives a hell of a lot more scrutiny than other drivers. There is no two ways in my mind that on paper, Rosberg should have come off worse that weekend.

Rather than the feeling of Hamilton coming off worse purely by virtue of his own actions, or the media savviness of Rosberg, it feels more like actually, Rosberg has been swept under the carpet because far fewer really care about what he does.

Hamilton meanwhile gets lambasted by a crowd of journalists and forum posters who believe they all know how to behave in the spotlight better for some misguided reason.

I admit im a fan of the guy; he makes F1 a lot more entertaining. Its just a shame that more people seemingly can't appreciate that for what it is. If he had appeared not to be annoyed by what Rosberg did, I would be alienated.


When it comes to Lewis James I think you've really struggled to remain impartial.

I also think that you're genuinely unaware of it.


So which way do I lean?


Desperate PR save.


More like a verbal bum-kicking from no-nonsense Lauda!


Don't know how that's gonna play out in future races. Lauda might favour either one, leaving the other to do silly things.


Lauda will never favour one driver over the other. Brawn would that. Lauda not. Lauda is a pure racer.


Lewis Hamilton likes to compare himself to the great Senna. Is this how Ayrton Senna would act?


Senna would have acted far worse - by getting physical (cars or fists). And people like you and others would have patted him on the back and told him what a hero he was. Similar to how people pat Kimi on the back for his boorish behaviour.


The media like to compare him to Senna. Schumacher and Alonso also said Senna was an inspiration or hero to them, but the media reception was entirely different.

For example, each time Lewis has been placed against a competitive team mate with a calmer demeanour and they have a close race, media reaction:


Hamilton didnt ask them to say this. Its all terribly predictable, both the invention of the comparison and people's reactions to think no further than, "Yeah Hamilton needs to get over his Senna obsession."

Its rammed down our throats all the time


Ayrton Senna was completely bonkers.

On another point, I believe that the drivers in those days were the pick of a bunch of very rich kids and today F1 is a very different sport. People don't like to remember but the short time that Schumacher was competing directly with Senna he was leaving him in his dust. Over rated in my very very humble opinion.


Are you sure about that statement Craig? He took a ill handling Williams and made 3 poles out of 3, he destroyed Schumacher at Donning ton in 1993.


I agree. I watched F1 all during Senna's time and he wasn't anything special.

The media has a habit of deifying those who die tragically young.


Schumacher had traction control in his car which should not have been there.


He should have taken Rosberg out deliberately, risking the lives of officials from flying debris, then he could have compared himself to Senna.


Ayrton would have taken them both out at the first corner.


Hes no senna, rosberg is no prost either.


The old,good old days syndrome.Yawn..

The whole issue is down to the officials IMO.

Why is it that impeding another drivers run usually equals a penalty but ROS reversing move doesn't warrant a mention ?


Excellent *HP*; That's my point; Lewis is no Senna, Nico is no Prost.

Time for Lewis to stop acting like a child, or comparing himself to legendary drivers and get on with his business!


Yes, he may even punch you. All the greatest drivers are passionate (goog/bad) otherwise they wouldn't be champions.


@kenneth chapman, i never promised to post any times.

kenneth chapman

@ aveli....for a moment there i thought that you had disappeared. when are you going to post those comparative lap times that we expected you provide? still waiting.....


I think it's fair to say Senna himself acted worse in front of the world's media at times, than Lewis ever has.....


Haha, but the media loved Senna nevertheless. They always painted Prost and Mansell as the villains. Not so much Senna. But then, people who die young always make a good legend, Monroe, Dean, Senna, you name it.


Senna would have put Rosberg into the barriers, we could do without a return to that.


I meant deliberate crashing* into Rosberg


Yep any deliberate move will see Haimlton getting a penalty, how big I don't know.


Completely disagree. Senna would have passed him and won the race, because that is what he did in Monaco.


Hear Hear.


ELSATOPLAST of course.

Ambitious guys go elastoplast way until nearest revenge opportunity.



I'll bet Nicki threatened to kick Lewis in the lolly bag if he didnt post some lovey dubby comment on his social media pages. This is a German team afterall and bitter personal rivalry is inefficient.

Roll on Canada.


you are so right about German DNA,

recall they had Schumacher and a dream to win both titles as a German team.

that nation is a proud one.


Perhaps, however Lauda is not German, a small difference that most people don't understand.


If its Unhappy on Saturday & Sunday. We are friends on Wednesday Next!

If its Happy on Saturday & Sunday, then either no post on friendship, or we are "team mates" not best of friends.


What to make about the point that Lewis can't set up his own car and depends on Nico's data?



In 2011 McLaren's technical director Paddy Lowe explains further: “We see from the data that Lewis [Hamilton] is fantastic at controlling oversteer. He can have massive levels of steering correction – to the extent that other drivers would be bitching like hell that the car was undrivable – and Lewis won't even mention it. With a driver like that, you're better equipped to push the boundaries to new levels.

“A lot of the performance limit of a car is set by stability; if your driver can't hang on to it, you have to introduce understeer in that zone. If you have a driver better able to deal with oversteer in zones that induce it, you'll have a less understeery car elsewhere and therefore more total grip over the whole lap. The great drivers – Ayrton Senna, Nigel Mansell, Michael Schumacher – all had that ability. Like-for-like, compared with other drivers, they wanted more front end.”


All drivers are going to be 'using' their team mates data as the practice laps are limited so the two cars run different programs. Clear feedback is the most important thing. In 2012 that was a problem for Button due to an undisclosed system that was on the McLaren for a while.


What about Toto wolff has given Nico a big dossier how to copy Lewis driving style after Malaysia

Rosberg took over Lewis set up at Spain

And Hamilton had to spent 1/2 day of testing at Barcelona in Nicos car to sort out Rosbergs difficulties with the clutch settings at the start?


I guess that's why Lewis was helping out with Nico's issues with race starts in Barcelona testing?

Any team nowadays shares data between its drivers.

Hamilton made some ill-advised comments leading up to Monaco, and during the weekend. The whole 'hunger' story, etc.

They all might be true, but there's nothing for Lewis to gain from saying them. In politics you never want the party leader doing the dirty work ... you get an associate to be the attack dog. Maybe Lewis needs an attack dog of his own. We had Hakkinen coming out saying Lewis was a sore loser. What's not said is that Mika is close to the Rosbergs (Keke managed him, he's known Nico nearly his whole life, and wants Keke to help out his son Hugo in racing).

Lewis just needs to zip it, and just do the business on the track. His greatest and most enduring asset is his speed, speed, speed. In F1 speed means never having to say sorry.

If Lewis starts another winning run, then it's basically 'your move Nico', and he'll likely have to do something off-track to shake things up.


I agree wholeheartedly with ŷour post. Nico is trying to hold back a tidal wave, he knows he is the slower driver and the only option he has, is to do something different - like Monaco.

Not sure if you read Mark Hughes blog - he was saying that of Wolff and Lauda at least one of them told him (off the record) they believed Nico had his off on purpose.


Thanks for that, C63. Just backs up what most sensible people have cottoned on to: the cat didn't appear to be spearing into the wall at lightning speed, and the wheel was being turned back and forth in a ridiculous fashion, the stewards appeared to be total duds here by not requesting all the data and basing part of their decision in Nico's personality (????) - but the absolute pearl was that even Mercedes SENIOR MANAGEMENT are suspecting skullduggery. Ha!

On a seperate note, I ain't ever going to that site again! Seems the vast majority of posters are obsessed with Hamilton's personality ("spit the dummy" is the only cliche they can come up with), and none of them give a sh#t about anything good about his driving (Bahrain race craft? One lap pace? Overtaking?). Horrible place. Nasty bunch.


@Nathan Jones

here is the link:


MH makes the statement in a response to one of the comments on his article - about half way down the page 27.5.14 at 09.45.

As for your second question - I am afraid I have no idea why he reported an off the record remark. You could ask him, I guess, as he allows comments/answers on his blog.


Firstly, do you have a link? I craving a bit of granularity on which famous face believes he cheated. (And who has hinted he cheated)

Second, what was he doing reporting it if it was said to him off the record?


Shouldn't all set up data be shared evenly? What does that have to do with anything? Other than to prove they are much fairer at Merc than at Ferrari.


their karting days were a long time ago, that guy knows no more than you or I about how it is now. nico looked at every bit of Hamilton's data after he was beaten in china


[mod] Why not post a facebook link or your own blog link to make your point? Was Lewis using Rosberg's setup while in McLaren? Nico used Hamilton's Malaysian data which he admitted, how is that not knowing how to set up a car. Hamilton is a champion in almost every category he has competed in yet that's what you came up with. How can Lewis be consistently fast if he can't set up his car?


It was a point made by someone who worked with them both at the same time. I thought it was interesting and simply wanted to see if there is wegith to the fact that Lewis is perhaps not gifted technically, but gifted in ability to just drive fast. Instead of discussion all I see is back and forth attacks.

Some GPs it's easier to setup a car. 2014 it's a mute point as they have betwee 1-2s gap to others with exception of weird places like slow, aero dependant Monaco.

Therefore, I think it would be interesting to explore this in the interest of entertaining the fans since Mercedes is completely in a class of it's own and wins are hardly at risk. Since they are competing pretty much against each other, it would be interesting if the data was not shared between the two sides of the garage to see who really gets more out of the package through this skill. Just for 3 GPs for example.

Anyhow, it would be just for our entertainment and may cost a driver their rep, so they won't do it. Also, Mercedes already know this point, so why put results at risk to show us this point. But...it would be interesting.


Oh C63, why the dig man?

I said it before, and I'll say it again. I've had steak 4 years straight. While Lewis fans were starving. Would you rather I keep gorging or that I step back from the buffet for just a little bit let a Lewis fan get a cutlet? 🙂

You know, Lewis needs to win 4 in a row just to feed you like I've been fed.



The original article (at the top of the page by JA) was examining the fallout from Monaco. It's therefore reasonable to post comments relating to that incident - hence my post, linking to the report from a well respected journalist confirming what he had been told ,off the record, by senior Mercedes AMG personnel. Lewis has received a lot of criticism for his reaction, surely it's only fair if we balance the books a little.

I am well aware this is not a Lewis Bromance blog and of course everyone in F1 is fair game. If we all had the same opinion the world would be a very boring place indeed - talking about the races is half the fun - more than half, I would imagine, for Vettel and RBR fans as the races cannot be very enjoyable just now.

Sebee, if you say that you posted the link in order to promote constructive discussion, then that's good enough for me.


So, let's wait a minute, here....

Go back a few years, to the winter testing sessions (January/February) of Team McLaren leading into the 2007 season. A young rookie Lewis Hamilton tested the new car first before his teammate World Champion Fernando Alonso arrived at (I believe)Barcelona.

McLaren set a target time, for young Lewis, and fairly quickly, Hamilton was just a few tenths off that challenge in his first F1 outing on track.

After Alonso arrives and climbs in the car, he then blitzes that time, only for Lewis to push to within a few tenths of Fernando. Then, just a short period later, (days/weeks)Lewis comes on surprisingly strong, getting to within hundreds of a second of Alonso's following testing times, that winter. Alonso knew then and there, he had a fight on his hands. Lewis was gonna be a pain in the gearbox!

All of this, against the reigning F1 World Champion of 2006. The driver who ended Michael Schumacher's decade long dominance....

Now, tell me this--Was Nico Rosberg around, at that time, to set up Lewis' car in that first test, or, for that matter, the rest of that astounding rookie season?

Please, with all due respect (I raced karts for years) spare me the comments of Karting mechanic Dino Chiesa. This is Grand Prix racing, the pinnacle of motorsports, we're following here.... LOL!


C63, you are posting things like Lauda or Toto said privately that Nico did it on purpose.

It's behind us. Nico won. If he did it, he sure as heck did it well. FIA didn't punish and officially everyone is saying no fault.

This is not a Lewis fan love-in Bromance blog. It's F1 and everyone in F1 is fair game. Not everyone here has to be a Lewis fan. It was an interesting post, interesting view that's why I brought it up. And some constructive points have been made by fans here about various MB Team dynamics. Including yours about fuel amounts which was interesting and more about this should be written and subject looked at closer.



It was a point made by someone who worked with them both at the same time. I thought it was interesting and simply wanted to see........

A bit like Rosberg at Monaco, only you know the truth regarding your motive for posting that (somewhat obscure) article link.

However, just like Rosberg at Monaco, a great many people suspect they are not being told the truth 😉


...also Kingszito, we should ask why is it so well documented on that Malaysian exmaple? Is it because it was unusual for this to be the case where Nico uses Lewis' setup? It could be. We shouldn't make assumptions either way without complete data. Notice I'm not saying this is a fact that Lewis is not good at data/setup, simply putting forward some info for discussion from someone who worked with both.

Also note that we enjoy Kimi's work, and he seems to be like that also. Just give him a car and he drives it. Wonder who uses who's data in the red garage?



First, a little baby girl is keeping our 4 time champion up. Lack of sleep is translating into track performance. 🙂

Second, I've said it before and I'll say it again. The car is way different. You can drive a BMW, then get into a Mercedes and not like the suspension, weight, etc. These new cars are different and he's adjusting. It's easier for Dan becuse he wasn't just driving for 4+ years at the sharpest end of last era of F1 perhaps. Or the current car is more to his liking. I'm sure not before long the most successful driver on the grid, the only driver to ever go 3 WDCs in a row, and then 4WDC in a row after winning his first one will come good.

I remind you that Vettel is 100% on WDC championship opportunity conversions, 80% if you want to factor in 2009 while Lewis is only 50% conversion, 33% if you want to factor in 2012 where he had an entirely fast car. I have to tell you, one of the all time funniest things I've seen in my years of watching F1 is Lewis not coming in for tires in China in 2007 and getting stuck in the gravel. That was sad, but somehow made me laugh really really hard. And then 2008, well, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The first thing that came to mind is, this Lewis guy is simply unlucky and therefore he is not a closer. He's good, but in F1 he can't close the deal. And then we all know what happened.

So for sake of Lewis and his many fans, I really hope that 2014 is the year when with this machine he closes the WDC out in a dominant fashion. For sake of his many many fans I'd hate to see this curse come back at him. 2007 he gravel parks, 2008 he barely gets bailed out, 2012 he starts DNFing...and 2014 there is still a lot to play out. I think this year will solidify in my mind at least if he does have some "unlucky" aspect haunting him. At least with Vettel I'm convinced he's a closer. The boy almost pulled it out of thin air in 2010 and 2012. Anyone on this grid cannot say that in the past 4 years they have not seen enough examples from Vettel on "How to be a closer!"


This is actually bordering on rediculous. I thought F1 fans had more brainpower.

Why are we even using all this space to discuss this? Don't you guys even question these bogus blog.

How can a driver sho has proven to be a superior qualifier than he's team mates not know how to setup his car?

And if he is so useless why is he always beating his team mates with their own setups???

Next week I am starting my own Blog Msc copied Barrichello's setups all these years,


It's well documented that Nico used Lewis Malaysian data. If Lewis could set his car up to finish more than 17 seconds on Nico what else do you want him to prove. Sharing data in F1 team is very common, no F1 driver can say that he has never copied his team mate's data. Toto said at the last test in Barcelona that Lewis was working on race starts for Nico, it's pretty common in F1 that drivers evaluate their team mate's setup to stir the engineers to the right direction and make the car faster.

If you need entertainment why not discuss the reason Ricciardo is trashing our four time world champion in the same car in his very first season with the team? That would make a very interesting discussion.


I agree, it would be interesting, and to take it to its natural extent in race updates on strategy and performance between the two drivers should also be prevented. If their cart manager' opinion of them holds true today, it would be a tough time call as to who would prevail, as his opinion clearly is that HAM is the faster driver but ROS can make is car a little faster.


Fact: Best car set = Race wins.

Fact: Lewis Hamilton 26

Fact: JB 15

Fact: Ros 5

Question: Whos copying who? Duhhh!!!!!


Not clear the article has any relevance about the state of affairs today. Likely that both drivers use each other's data. Yeah, Lewis is a lazy 26-time GP winner!


Samir...It never ceases to amaze me to the extreme that some will go, in order to take a hit at Lewis.


Aveli - if you do not know the answer to why NR got into F1 (and GP2) before LH despite not being as successful then you clearly have little grasp of the politics, funding and marketing behind F1!

Think man.

And have a little look at the stats because he really was nowhere near as good as LH in those formulae no matter how much people want him to be.


that same guy, whoever he is should explain to the public why rosberg made it into gp2 and f1 ahead of hamilton if hamilton was always faster than rosberg.

Mike from Colombia

Even more disappointing is that the most devious "some" are amongst the media.

This was bound to happen with Hamilton having a winning car this year.


Yup, agree. It's good that the Internet has somewhat democratized opinion though, while simultaneously making it harder to extract the signal from the noise!



I was going to make a similar comment. Then I saw you had saved me the trouble:-)

The last test, in Spain, Lewis was doing some testing, helping Nico understand why he was struggling at the start. It's been well documented that Nico checked some of Lewis's telemetry to understand where he was losing time against him in earlier races. But someone who managed their karting team, around 15 years ago, is now brought forward as some kind of expert commenting on what takes place now. Talk about grasping to try and score a point or two. Oh well......


Where's the extreme?

I must have missed that.


So as I said, you don't think it would be interesting for the two to not share data? I think it would be. In fact, it could provide some much needed fun this season.

Wonder if one could mislead to other on setup direction or if at this point it's pretty much mostly pre-determined due to weight and aero reduction.


Wow C63...that's a huge difference. I thought it was lap more.

So is the MB that fuel efficient that it doesn't need near the 100kg? Perhaps then that's how MB is controlling relative team order? It's hard to believe that Nico's style alone would require 10% more fuel. It would have to be radical deference in shifting. Hard to believe that's possible or necessary with these low RPM engines.



It can't be a huge difference......

According to Mark Hughes, Nico had 8.75kg more fuel in his tank compared to Lewis at the start of the race in Bahrain - one of the highest fuel consumption tracks on the calendar. That's not insignificant when you think about it as 10kg is about a third of a second/lap (I think?).


You know what C63, I thought exactly the same thing a few days back. Funny you mentioned it.

It's like the 2nd or third time I recall hearing during a GP that Lewis has a lap less fuel. I think this may be entirely true. But let's be honest, it can't be a huge difference. It could be down to strategy. It could be down to how good Lewis is using the ERS perhaps to save a few drops per lap, but I doubt he has much advantage here over Nico, who's not exactly an old timer and able to press some buttons during a corner if needed.

More likely I think is a psychological aspect perhaps. Could be to make one feel supperior to the other by recognizing a slight advantage. Another could be as motivation for Nico to try to be more efficient, or ensure push for higher performance from Nico to keep Lewis honest. Yet another could be just to bring conversation about fuel to the forefront. Yet another is that Nico could like a bit more downforce, which would drag him down and cost fuel. Also, could slow him down compared to Lewis.

But like you say, it's hard to square being faster with conserving fuel, all other things being equal.

Interesting also that no one has run out of fuel yet. Wonder if there is a chance Lewis will need to save and as a result will get caught out at some point by not having a bit in reserve end of a GP. It's not been an issue yet due to fuel savings modes and MB advantage. But could play a role at some point.



Not sure it would be wise to make too many conclusions based on radio transmissions - as you say we only know that which we are told, and the radio transmissions we hear are only the ones the broadcasters chooses to let us hear. I was reading an article by Mark Hughes and he was saying that Lewis starts the race with significantly less fuel than Nico as he is a more economic driver. I find it hard to see how Lewis is more economic and also quicker and yet Nico does the set up work. It doesn't really stack up for me.


Well, I have to agree with Warren G. Regulators!

We do hear a lot of that being fed to Lewis, where as not so much to Nico. Not sure simply if this is because Lewis in P1 4/6 races so far, or he's simply more popular, of that UK feed or FOM are choosing to feed more Lewis radio. But it seems like those details are being fed to him more so than to Nico.

All we know is what we've been told. And we're told Nico sticks around and works with the engineers. That would mean he looks for trends and data to gain intelligence on performance. And in a sport measured down to 0.001s it helps.

However, here is the thing. The engineers aren't bar stools. They actually know way more about analyzing this data than the drivers. And both drivers would have the resources of an engineer.

So C63, I'll give it to Nico. But I don't think the handycap would be that big to Lewis as both of these guys have expert helpers.

Now, the interesting bit would be how they set up the car based on the data.


Sure, it would be interesting. But if, rather when, Red Bull begins to challenge for wins, a non-sharing environment would be counter-productive for getting the best result for the team. It is clear that Nico benefited from Lewis post-Malaysia, and Lewis is likely to have also benefited from knowing where Nico gains time on him and how he manages races (I think Lewis acknowledged Nico was very adept at lift-coast last year). Nico has probably looked at Lewis' starts. I imagine both drivers would prefer the sharing environment. Whether one side of the garage is dishonest in sharing any information that is not automatically logged, is another matter altogether.


I don't think Lewis would mind, after he trounced Nico at Malaysia he said that all the set-up advantage he had from that race was gone because his teammate could study the data before Bahrain. If they didn't share data for a few races that advantage would have been there for much longer.


I agree Sebee. Did you read that, I agree with you?

It would be very interesting indeed if the Lewis and Nico did not share data. Out of interest, who do you think would benefit most (please provide reasoning).


What I'd find interesting is not sharing data during the race that they wouldn't normally be privvy to against other rivals eg. braking points, amount of lift and coast etc. It might go both ways, but I've noticed Hamilton's engineer feeding him a LOT of that sort of info during the races about Rosberg.

Mike from Colombia

Yeah. That's why Jenson and Nico like to copy Hamilton's setup. Makes perfect sense.


As a long time HAM fan I was astounded to hear this statement but grudgingly accept that it is indeed the case.


hamilton fans don't need to say they are fans. we recognise them by what they post and from what you have posted, you are an antihamilton fan.

that article clearly tells you that hamilton was always faster than rosberg but which one of them made it into gp2 and f1 first?

secondly, setting up a go kart is different from setting up an f1 car.

thirdly, while rosberg worked with schumacher, that mercedes was no where near as good as when hamilton came in and asked for major changes to bring the car to the competitive standard it is today. after seeing the results of his hard work, hamilton said he will design and build a car in the future, with the best handling characteristics because he would set it up himself. have we heard any other driver using any such words? the best driver to have stepped foot in the history of the sport and the greatest f1 star to date.


@hp, I believe in telling the truth. hamilton joined mercedes in 2013 and drove a car which he made very little contribution to in its design and development but he said he made a great deal of contribution to the 2014 car in terms of design and development. i wasn't there but that is what he said and i believe. if there is a gene in your dna which prevents you from accepting that being possible then I am so sorry I cannot help you. i'm not sure if it's the same gene telling you that the 2014 mercedes, wo5 hybrid, was designed and built before hamilton joined mercedes but I think you can find out exactly when teams start to design their cars for the following season and you will find out that hamilton was involved right from the start. you can also search the internet to find out if brabham actually built the cars he raced in or not. did he lead a design team to design the car? did he make the components? did he assemble the car? may be he did it all but i don't know and guess you'll find out and let me know soon enough.


@ glennb, i only draw conclusions from what you post about drivers. everyone knows that human beings are unique, each person made from a set of dna molecules which will never ever be naturally reproduced, each person is their own self and has the right to do what they want, within the law. anyone, to go out of their way, to find any excuse to attack any driver must be driven by a certain emotion unexplainable except for genetic defect of some sort. there are 21 other drivers but you and the others constantly attack hamilton for any reason and claim not to be anti fans. if you are not an anti fan then don't post like the anti fans do. you can also paste like a neutral fan if you are a neutral fan or an out and out fan.

please show us a link of an australian based site which is different from this in terms of anti fans posts.

what is it that hurts you so much about hamilton saying he intends to design his own car in the future? he didn't say he wants to do it because brabham, rest in pease, did it. he said he wants to do that because he enjoyed the success of making so much contribution to influence the performance of the current mercedes. that is the truth, he said so and i don't believe in lies as it's unnatural. nature always wins.


LOL--> "the best driver to have stepped foot in the history of the sport and the greatest f1 star to date." - Are you serious!?!

"...hamilton came in and asked for major changes to bring the car to the competitive standard it is today." - Ok let me tell you this, this years Mercs were designed way before Hamilton joined the team. Hamilton (just like any other driver would)just demanded that his car to be made for his style of driving, for example, over-steer,under-steer etc whatever he prefers. Hamilton has no part in Merc's success this year apart from his driving well and winning. Their success mainly because they built the best engine (and now looks like chassis too), Hamilton had no part in that!

"...hamilton said he will design and build a car in the future, with the best handling characteristics because he would set it up himself." Every driver sets their car to their preferential setup (sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't). So it doesn't matter whether a driver says that he does or doesn't set his car up. Setting a car up is way different from building a car! the only driver that's known to have done that is Sir Jack Brabham.


Tell it like it t'is, aveli.... Tell it like it t/i t'is...!


I'm not anti-Hamilton. I'm a fan of the sport and therefore of all the competitiors alike. If I'm "anti" anything, it's anti-"extreme fans" who can't accept that there are 20+ other drivers out there all doing their best to succeed. Lewis only needs to come second and the extrteme fans are all over it. Crying that his team let him down, his team-mate let him down, the car let him down, his girlfriend or dog let him down, the media let him down. For crying out loud, it's OK to come second or third sometimes. You can't win 'em all. For the record (and I've said this before) I think Lewis is one of the best drivers (on his day) that I've ever seen. Great qualifier, great racer. I don't know the guy personally but he seems too emotional to handle the media and comes off rather poorly on camera when the chips are down. Sort of like the "anti-Kimi" 😉

I'm also anti "serious" most of the time. I crack a few jokes, sledge a bit, stuff like that. This is a UK based forum and I'm an Aussie, it's my job.

I love this forum, thank you James.


No one in that article makes the point you mention.


Just to be clear - the title of the story is the only place where that inference is made. In the article itself, all they say is that Nico does the dirty work (ie works harder, spends time with engineers, works on setup).


So you don't think it would be interesting for the two cars not to share data for a few races?


I think Lewis has improved slightly on that front but I do feel he depends highly when paired with experienced teammates. The team mates share information to a degree but clearly if one driver is better at setup then the lesser driver benefits more. I'm certain this was a bone of contention with Alonso and later Button outperformed him too in their first season together. I think Hamilton needs more help from people around him than these drivers do.

Ya he's fast. He's also extremely petty. I feel because he isn't as strong in other areas when his speed is challenged he starts to crumble. He's probably getting stronger though...


You have really made a daft comment there.

Almost no one else has had single or multiple champions as team mates from their rookie year and beaten them consistently from day one despite multiple mishaps! They usually veto such!

A certain 'champ' had to copy LH setup after a half a season in the doldrums.

But of course - that was all the tyres fault and we are one eyed fans I seem to recall.

Honestly some comments make you laugh.

He is not perfect. No one is but at least appreciate his abilities during a time of complete RB domination.


[mod] Appreciate his abilities in RB domination? It must take a special kind of moron to believe his own tripe but to call others daft shows what a half-wit you are. I have my reasonings for my thoughts. What exactly has Lewis done to prevent RB domination? He's only ever beat them when he's had a faster car. In the last few years the only driver who has ever truly challenged RB in a slower car has been Alonso. [mod]


Neither Alonso nor Button outperformed lewis in their 1st season together

Why does JB, now whine about an inexperienced temmate since 2 years?



and later Button outperformed him too in their first season together.....

Really? Are you sure about that?


F1 Bible, Book of Lewis 20:10

With one more DNF than Button, Lewis shall part the mechanical horses and scoreth 26 more points in than The Hardest Button to Button.





Lewis sets his car. At Mclaren & at Mercedes.

This isn't an examination where you can buy a set of Key Facts or Cliff Notes.


I didn't realise Nico was at McLaren in 2008. Or was Heikki Kovalainen responsible for setting his car up that year?


Now we finally know what Rosberg made in the McLaren gerage every other GP especially 2012, when JB was lost at see with set ups. Rosberg the ba*tard only hepled Lewis with set up there!


Heikki "The Set Up King" Kovalainen they called him.

I'm sure Lewis was constantly copying Button's set up in 2012 when he was winning races and Button couldn't make it into Q3.


"Heikki “The Set Up King” Kovalainen they called him". Just Quality! 🙂


Someone has to set up the stricker! It's a thankless job.


OK, vs. his team mate.


One moment they are 'friends' and the next moment they are not. This is not the first time he's made that remark


Hamilton might like to think of himself as being like Senna, but I think there's more than a few parellels between himself and Nigel Mansell.

Mansell wanted to be the underdog with the world against him, loved by the people. But most found a way to admire his incredible skill in spite of his personality, not because of it.


Great comments! I think there is truth in what both of you mentioned. Hamilton like Senna or Schumacher was the real deal the moment he sat in an F1 car. Yet the element of insecurity in their personalities is something that Mansell and Lewis share. Plus tons of misfortune...which neither of you mention. I also have inferred that Mansell is a fan of Lewis. No doubt the two great British drivers since Stewart, no disrespect to Hunt, Hill or Button. Peter Warr was off target in his comments...true Nigel has had his share of errors like Monaco '84, but just watch Hungary '89, or THAT move on the outside of the Peraltada in '90. He definitely caused people to revise their view on Nelson Piquet's credentials as the best F1 driver in the world (Piquet's Imola accident notwithstanding)


Sorry, man....

Nigel Mansell's F1 career, in no way, reflects that of Lewis Hamilton's, other than World Championships. On a sheer talent level, Nigel struggled for years to be truly competitive beyond mid-field, for at lest 4 or 5 seasons (if I can remember correctly).

In fact, the top team principles were beginning to write Mansell off, until Frank Williams came along. Taking what was considered by all in F1, at that time, to be a calculated gamble, Williams stepped up and gave Mansell his big F1 break with a, truly, fast car....

For instance, after crashing out of the lead at Monaco in the early 80's while driving a Lotus, (don't remember what year exactly--maybe '82) Team Manager Peter Warr made the comment--"Nigel, simply ran out of, what must seriously be considered as his very limited talent...." Or at least something to that effect.

Nope, in contrast, Lewis hit F1 with a "big bang" which hasn't resided to this day, much in the same way Arton Senna did.... Neither man never missing a beat during their respective careers, with Hamilton currently peaking in his Grand Prix era....


Quick...Lets lock him up!!! Evil man


I've always thought this whole idea of team-mates being best buddies is a bit dubious, because in theory they have equal cars/engines/opportunities...............in theory, but as Lewis found out in Monaco, the best laid plans on paper don't always cognate with reality.

As long as two team-mates respect each other, and don't take each other out (yes Sebastian, remember when you biffed Mark a la Turkey?) then healthy competition is good competition.........thing is though, there are many facets of the inner workings of an F1 team that us spectators don't know about. I think at the tail end of his career with Macca-Honda, Prost was complaining about his engines being down on power compared to Senna, and such like can cause understandable paranoia and tetchyness.............

Still as long as Merc F1 supply equal cars/engines/opportunities between their two drivers I think the key component of divisiveness is more emotional than technical, and an F1 driver should, as Jackie Stewart and Alain Prost have said over the years, banish all emotions from their preparation and driving. But can Rosberg Junior and Lewis do that?


none of the past f1 drivers are qualified to tell hamilton or any other f1 driver what to do. they had their chance and now it's a new generation. they should do whatever they want within the law and enjoy their lives after all it's their lives. i don't understand why some ex drivers, journalists and posters cannot understand that these drivers own their lives and have the will to do as they please with their careers and property.


Nigel Mansell insisted that was true with Piquet. Got in Piquet's car on one occasion and went 3 seconds faster. Brazil was a key market for Honda.

Lewis's public (and radio - which is as good as public) comments in Monaco were clumsy from a PR point of view. But I still wonder if the whole thing is being played either by a press desperate for an angle, or Mercedes PR wanting to keep being written about. They've known each other for ages. They get on OK off track, but desperately want to beat each other on it. Of course they're going to have the odd row from time to time.


all the drivers talk to their teams from start to finish and the fia choose to publish the most interesting radio traffic so you can conclude that hamilton's radio traffic is the most interesting because it is the most published.


he will keep on being himself. you may have to find a solution for your problem.


That's the thing. Saying "I should have known you guys wouldn't bring me in" (etc) is going to get picked up for broadcast. He should avoid being interesting. Or use a code of unbroadcastable foul language.


You're spot on about Our Nige and Honda. Was it the 1987 season.........yes it was, just checked, that Nigel was becoming aware that his engine was down on power compared to his team-mate Lord Nelson.

Nige had quite a few retirements engine related in 1987 that ultimately cost him the WDC, even accounting for his accident at Suzuka. In Monaco he was dominating when his wastegate broke, at Germany he was just behind leader Prost when his engine failed, and in Portugal Nigel was well placed when his electrics failed. OK, so he did crash into Senna at Spa, and Williams cost him a dominant victory in Hungary when a wheelnut came loose, but wheelnuts falling off and having the odd crash are just normal motor sport retirements. However, mysterious engine/electric/turbo failures that seem to plague Our Nige in 1987 gives him good reason for being a bit suspicious............

Ah, rumour, innuendo and espionage......where would F1 be without it!!!!


RE Flesh: No.

The issues with Our Nige and Professor Prost were about the engine supplier, not the team and chassis. As Merc build both chassis and engines, I don't think there will be an issue regarding equality of equipment.

Like I said, it's more emotional between Lewis and Rosberg Junior, not technical.


Oh no now we just have to wait for the conspiricy artists to bring up set v's problems now 😉


So are you implying that lewis has a problem in the respect Mercedes want nico to win the wdc and are aiding him whenever they can?


not sure about the Mansell/Piquet bit - you may well be right. But I suspect the second part of your post has more than a grain of truth.


It is plain and simple.

Every person is friends with there team mates in F1 until you get to the top of the grid then the gloves come off….

You both help each other to get to the top and are all pals and slapping each others back, but once there you have to go the extra mile and stand all over your team mate to become number one, thats when your real personality comes out.

Look what happened with Lewis in 07, i.e. Alonso was having none of it, but this time around Lewis is older and wiser and is watching his words very carefully.

But we are in for a cracking 2 horse race this year.


Cracking 2 horse race? Whilst the rest of the grid basically have their hands tied behind their back? An very ordinary average driver against a overrated driver with the mental age of 12? Yeah sure its a cracking championship battle.


The ordinary average driver would give Alonso and Vettel a run for there money and the overrated one actually beat the Spaniard who is recalled by many as one of the best in this sport.


To be fair Vettel has had torrid reliability and 4 out of 6 quali sessions he's had car issues and also in the races too, Ricciardo hasn't shown anything to suggest he can take the fight to Brackley like Vettel did in 2009 and at Mercedes? Well I haven't seen domination like this since the 1988 and 1992 season and it probably surpasses them 2 seasons too, as I've said Hamilton will have too much for a poor driver like Rosberg but old Lulu can also lose the plot just for the sakes of the fan club I hope he doesn't or the mass F1 slating will begin.


Better a 2 horse race than the 1 horse gallop of last season.


Your just upset cos seb is getting trounced by new ausie boy, 4 titles was mostly the car


If you feel that strongly we can safely assume you will not be following f1 this year. or are you been overly critical just to solicit some kind of reaction?


How do you conclude the rest of the grid has their hands tied behind their back? All the teams were advised of the new regulations at the same time, and all have had the same opportunity to prepare. Clearly, some teams have done a better job than others. But, no one has had their hands tied behind their back.


Me and a buddy of mine, in 2011, decided that Mika Hakkinen should become Lewis's manager. I reckon that, under Mika's guidance, Lewis would have been even greater than he is now...

Mike from Colombia

Hakkenen owes to much to the Rosbergs to be an effective manager for Lewis.


We spoke about it in 2011... A Lewis/Nico partnership was written in the stars back then...

But I will bite, hypothetically speaking, what exactly would prevent Hakkinen to be an effective manager for Lewis? I am curious...


@aveli, once again, you missed the point.

The statement was that Hakkinen owes to much to the Rosbergs to be an effective manager to Lewis.

I wanted some clarification on that.


nothing will prevent hakkinen from managing hamilton but we all know how high hamilton sets his standards. he wants the best that is out there. the best management out there has prevented hakkinen from managing hamilton.


hamilton puts a great deal of thought into choosing teams and management, only the best will do for him. hakkinen would be of no use to hamilton as a manager. i remember hakkinen crying in the bushes because he was out of a race. no mental strength at all.


This is a response to your above answer.

Fist of, we were discussing Hakkinen being Lewis's manager as a purely hypothetical situation, and speculated on the effects that could have had on Lewis's career. I am not saying that there was ever a real possibility of that ever happening. I brought it up, since it would have been an interesting topic to discuss.

Now do me a favour and look up the word hypothetical.

And please, there is way more to a driver than a singled out instance of him getting overwhelmed by his emotions.

Good bye.

Peace out.


@chapor, i have looked up the history of the this thread and noticed how it originated. appears as though you're not happy to read my opposition to your idea that hamilton would've been greater than he is now under hakkinen's guidance.i didn't mean to offend you, my only intensions were to stimulate you to provide an enhance support of your notion. so please don't be offended.


Uhm... You mention that one time were Hakkinen lost his nerve etc. To accuse him of having no mental strength at all is a bit rich... How many times did Mika crack under pressure? Do tell...

Try and search for his narrative on the Belgian GP in 2000. Read that, and then also the comments from people involved. Then please tell me about his mental strength one more time...


i saw hakkinen crying in the bushes because he was out of a race and hamilton knows hakkinen very well but didn't chose him as his manager. these are facts, not my opinion.


Very interesting point about Mika, and I think you would be quite right to say that.

But Lewis decided to go down the showman's route, i.e. management 21 or what ever it is called, which I am sure has helped him in the celebrity world, but some times you have to keep it simple.

I am not a fan of Vettel, but hats off that he does his job then goes home. Where ever that is?

On a final note, I really really hope that Daniel Ricciardo stays the same, please don't change. Every time I see him or hear him being interviewed and he has that huge smile, I always say to him at the TV, please don't change.

Only time will tell with Daniel, but Vettel was a nice guy smiley and laughing until he got the chance to be a winner and then that all changed into who he has become.


none of the drivers can change, only your perception of them changes. all the change is in your head.


@m wishart,

every person's is made from a set of dna molecules which have instructions for their characteristic features including their appearance and how they are likely to respond to external stimuli. those dna molecules do not change from the day you were conceived to the day you die. like it or not, this is a scientific fact.

just because you say they will change doesn't means they will change. i know they will not change because i am aware of this scientific fact. simply because someone displays a behaviour you haven't seen them display doesn't mean they have changed. they simply didn't display those characteristics because they had not been exposed to those stimuli in the past.

i hope you're learning.


WOW Really……..!!

So this really is getting so far away from F1 its unbelievable.

"People simply learn from experience" You say.

Yes that is correct and from that experience whether it is a great big bear stood in front of you or a bus as you cross the street as it crosses your path you learn and change. It is part of being a human, it is why we don't live in caves and also might fly around in cars some day.

I am not the same person I was when I was 5, or 15 or 20 etc, I am having experiences every day of my life which in part changes me as a man, yes I am a certain character but to say that never changes is totally unbelievable.

So everyone is the same character, the same person and no changes every happen in anyone life time, its just all in the head of another person watching???


Getting it back to the point I was trying to make in the first place. Vettel came onto the scene and was a fresh wide eyed boy. He drove very well but was making mistakes as nearly everyone does when they encounter something new in life. He was happy go lucky trying to make a go of it, which he did a lot quicker than most, but he was not in a winning car as of yet, and as such the pressure was not there.

When that opportunity arrived for him in a winning car the expectations became greater and he changed from the happy go lucky boy into a more serious contender, which like you say made his character surface more and as the years went on I am sure that changed from when he was driving a BMW or Torro Rosso car to who he is now.

And finally now that he is having a rough time of it and the winning plate has been taken away from him for now, this experience will change him once again and it just might change his character and how he looks and views things differently in the future. It might make him more ruthless or it might calm him down but what ever happens, He will change as we all do.

You are not the same person you where 5, 10 years ago.

Wow, sorry James for the long reply.


@m wishart,

i am not wrong at all. people simply learn from experience and don't know how they would react to certain situations until they actually happen. for example you don't know how you would react if you faced a wild bear without boundaries until you come face to face with one. that doesn't mean you change or your character changes. rather you character is revealed with time. i believe the truth is most natural and nature is the most powerful.


To "Aveli", that is so wrong.

So your telling me you haven't changed ever, that the world hasn't changed, that normal every day people never change and in some mad way its all in the head??

Of course people change, everything changes. That is my life experience/lessons. Nothing stays the same, ever, things change and people change all the time. You will do something today which will make you change your mind tomorrow. FACT.

So to put it in the context of Vettel, he was the golden boy, new to the sport and everything was cool, all was good in his world, he was happy and smiley and loving the fact that he was in F1 with no pressure, I remember someone off the TV saying that he is such a joy to be around, but then he changed and of course he was going to change because now he was in with a chance to win the title. The circumstances around him changed which changed his mental state. He was sat in a winning car and the expectation increased. Turkey 2010 anyone?

To "Hulkenberg", good point, which will be very interesting to see how this is played out at Red Bull. Will Vettel get to the point that he throws his toys out of the pram ala Alonso 2007 with what happened with Lewis??


It was more that Marko and Horner made a monster out of Seb. He was spoilt by management. He was Marko's golden boy. Marko's legacy. Marko's ticket to maintaining his privilege role as DM's right hand man.

Now that there is another one of Marko's creations in the stable, there is no more preferential treatment for Sebee. Dr Helmut has solidified his position so there is no need to favour one over the other.


I maybe wrong, but Daniel reminds me of Jenson Button, not in his driving technique, but in his rounded, unflappable, mature and easy going personality combined with a mental capacity to compartmentalise his driving........

If Daniel is like Jenson personality wise, that's a good thing - firstly, the ability to take disappointment on the chin and move on (always a crucial ability in a top drivers armoury), secondly a great ambassador for the sport and thirdly a steely mental resolve that never gives up. Think of Canada 3 years ago.........Lazarus Jenson!



I remember Jenson being lambasted for his playboy lifestyle too. It's taken him many years to shake that tag and be considered as a 'mature' person.


It's not so much that Vettel changed. It's just that once he got successful and gained a position of respect and influence, he no longer needed to keep the polite, happy façade. I don't think success changes people, it just allows them to drop many of their personality filters.


Nicely spoken and much truth for every person: Personality Filters.


Success does not change people it reveals them!


That is true of sport generally


Did you guys see Head's comments on the engines?

He says a team could have 800HP for 2M Euros a season. Meanwhile, they are paying more like 20M Euros now for "green" engines.

So let me see, 2M and great sounding V8s that take 50kg of fuel more, or 18M Euros more for engines that save said 50kg of fuel, sound crap, and claim green through some batteries that probably required 8000kg of fuel to manufacture and ship - never mind that we still don't know if each team uses a dozen or 50 of these batteries a season and likely takes 10 of them to each GP.

Anyone care to play Maths with Sebee and inform us how much F1 fuel in L could be purchased for 18M Euros? And that's PER TEAM! You can make an assumption that 1L of F1 fuel is worth 3L of regular pump fuel if you don't know the value of F1 fuel.


head is crazy! if everyone thought like him, we would never have gone to the moon and we would not enjoy the satellite communication technology we enjoy today. imagine if each bike, car, train or boat, on earth had hybrid engines, how efficiently would fuel be used.


The engines are not changing.

You've got to get over it.

For your own happiness.


oh dear...

Head is so far out of line he left Williams long ago. He can come out of retirement if they bring back active suspension.

When the V8s were only a few months old they were breaking all the time. They wouldn't have dared dream about making them last more than one race. The Merc unit couldn't even last a long pit stop.

The current units are a fantastic step forward. Some have already lasted several race weekends. F1 has always been about developing ground breaking technology in the public eye. No other industry does this. Maybe you would like to review your comments when the engines have been around for a couple of seasons. Battery technology is still improving rapidly. Having said that talking to a chap today they should be running liquid air motors rather than electric for energy harvesting.

Personally I like the sound - they don't scream but they sound like they have some grunt and give a good indication of what is happening. I love the fuel usage data - and that is an intriguing difference between Nico and Lewis. How does Lewis consistently use less fuel than Rosberg - does anyone have some accurate figures for how much fuel they started with in Monaco.


jonathon- re the current units are a fantastic.

i think they are over priced, under powered, they don't rev and are generally as boring as custard. f1 has allowed itself to be steered in a bad direction with these power units.

i'm not buying the manufacturers rhetoric and propaganda.


It's true, it was on the BBC website where Patrick was interviewed.

20 million Euros is UK £16.2 Million pounds folks! Hopefully - is that wishful thinking? - the cost of these engines, sorry power units, will decline once the technology has matured.

Blimey, UK £16.2 million eh? Makes you realise that being a "works" team with free engines is very beneficial as a team can concentrate on chassis development and not worry where the money is coming from necessary for sending a big cheque every month addressed to either Brixworth, Modena or Paris.

That's a point, I assume engine payments are staggered, and if a team misses a monthly/quarterly payment I suspect the manufacturers could send the lawyers round at best, the bayliffs round at worst. "Where's our money???????"


Bare in mind that if we didn't move to these engines, Renault would have left and Merc would not have invested heavily either/would have left completely. And Honda wouldn't have come back..


That would have been preferable.


who cares if the manufacturers all got up and left. i'd welcome it. it's because of the manufacturers that we got these stupid low revving , overly complex and incredibly expensive truck engines in the first place.

when i see 'in car' footage and the constant short shifting it reminds me of my dad's truck.

there are any number of organisations outside the car manufacturers that could have delivered a good engine to f1 at much lower cost. if car manufacturers feel they need to develop hybrid engines for road cars that is their problem, not f1's. hybrid development will only lead eventually to full electric.

f1 has allowed itself to become entangled in problems that face the car industry.

f1 fans need to realise that f1 is a racing series. what bothers me most about the car manufacturers in f1 is that when it no longer meets their needs they just walk away and don't care a damn about the sport.

it's a lie that f1 has to be road car relevant.

f1 did quite well before the manufacturers turned up as team owners.


No need to stop at the engine. They could use standard chassis (lets say Caterham, to make Tony Fernandes happy - perhaps a beefed up version, though still banning faffing around with aero) and make a fortune.


OMG! Is it millions of letters? 🙂

Darrin from Canada

Let's just put them in "reasonably priced cars" and solve everything...


We did that already, Sebastian creamed it. Then Ruby. Then Lewis. Let's not mention Button, I think he had one of his off days.


To my information Hamilton still leads by a pretty big margin in TopGear's reasonably priced cars.

Or did somebody already do the dirty work for him and set up his car for the TopGear track perfectly. 😉


LITERS! Thanks voice recognition technology.


Gaz Boy,

Busted once again!

I'm just making an entire mess of this darn Maths with Sebee assignment by not getting my units of measurement right.

But the point is...it's a lot of millions of gallons, or kilos or litres that you can buy yourself for 18M Euros. So back to Head's point it's a bit like paying 10 times the price for a hybrid car, when you would hardly spend 10 times the price of a petrol or diesel car on fuel over life of that car. Not to mention it takes more C02 in other forms during manufacturing of said hybrid car, so it's simply front loaded CO2.


Are punds the new German currency?


Sebee, I might be wrong, but I think in F1 fuel is weighed (in KG) rather than measured (litres in the UK/Europe/Australasia, gallons in North America) because weight isn't affected by temperature where as measurement certainly is - apparently some naughty teams during the turbo 80s used to freeze-pack their fuel as they could pack more petrol during that fuel limited F1 era!



I think I'm dyslexic! Really.

But you know what, the heck with this metric system. Let's do the whole thing in gallons. And the heck with the euro, let's do it in punds! So 14.6M GBP buys you how many gallons of F1 petrol? 🙂


depends where your from gazza



That's just knowing how to spell technology 🙂


It's not that Ferrari VRT system is it? Apparently the Mercedes VRT is faster and more efficient...........


He felt that he was [mod] upon (many others agreed with him) so why expect him to be happy James? It doesn't matter whether Rosberg did [mod] or not, what matters is that Lewis thought that he did. Who would accept being [mod]? Certainly not a champion. What particularly annoys me about this whole story is that Senna used to crash into his rivals and enemies, as Martin Brundle said on Top Gear's Senna tribute, "He would put you in a position where he knew you were going to make contact" and of course rammed Prost off at the first corner yet people say "he stood up for what he believed in". Hamilton does a fraction of that and he's being "petulant" and "a bad loser".


Fully agree.

I try to judge everything as independently as possible and always try to interpret stories by 2 perspectives, as there are always 2 sides on each stories.

If everybody would give Hamilton the benefit of the doubt for his right intentions for the next couple of interviews, this would lead to a different perspective of him.

He seems a nice guy and/but says anything that is on his sleeve (double read the and/but). And please don't forget the position these guys are in. Imagine yourself having earned 100 million before your 30th year. 🙂

If people would document my simple life and take interviews on my "moments of heat" I most certainly would not be the most cerebral figure and if people were honest I think this will also be true for most of us.

Pot calling the kettle black.


Webber standS up in front of the whole world during POST RACE interview and proceeds to accuse his team's management of underhandedness and that the will"protect vettel as always"....He was very angry very sore and definitely sullen and quite unseemly yet....Nothing is said about that. To me that was virtually bring the sport into disrepute....while Hamilton so much as refuses to make eye contact and all hell breaks loose? F1 JUSTICE FOR YOU!!!!!


So true Doug - Any excuse to say something negative about Hamilton it seems.


What could they do or say when it was true, they are missing him at the moment.

They say his strength was in the set up and development of the car.



I thought Lewis was measured in his response to an act by Rosberg that was suspicious, to say the least. Other drivers have done far more in the past without being vilified in the same way as Lewis.

I also don't get the 'Lewis doesn't know how to set up a car' argument. I've seen very little evidence of this, and if anything the major data flow in the Mercedes garage has gone the other way


Another valid point. I think I'm beginning to see a pattern emerge.




Hamilton isn't Senna.


And even Senna was petulant at times. Of course he was screwed over more than Hamilton is ever.


Hopefully, his minders are helping him control his inner demons. They can't coach him between the inlap and the podium, but someone is talking sense to him between races, I wonder who that is. This is a once in a career opportunity - to be in the right car at the right time - so it really is 100% his to lose! He only has one competitor right now, he needs to pounce on this, because soon (second half? 2015?) the Bulls will be getting uncomfortably close...


I think Lewis would welcome the Bulls getting closer, so as to create gaps between him and Nico. It won't be happening anytime soon, looks like.


Not on a bone dry Montreal track anyway, it's a point and squirt track, so the superb torque curve of the Merc engine will be a huge advantage.

Also Montreal is not a downforce track as there are no fast corners and running too much wing would compromise a car on the mega long back straight!

I've just the weather in Quebec on the BBC website, and Friday is possibly wet, but the rest of the weekend should be warm and dry. However, that is "should be"...........

However, there is a "threat" of a shower for Sunday............


hamilton has everything under control and he will do it his way.


It's so strange to see Hamilton having trouble with a team mate...


What sort of trouble are you saying? If you're talking points, then of course the Australia DNF is the main differentiator. Without that, and even giving Rosberg the win in Australia, Lewis would be up by 14 pts.


"If you’re talking points..."

Nope, I'm not talking about points.



You mean like Webber and Vettel....or wait maybe like a certain Mr prost and Mr senna..... No it cant be....Its only Hamilton



Neither, it's a PR exercise


Has Lewis (or any F1 driver) ever been happy to finish second?

I'm not a Hamilton fan but I'd rather he says what he feels than give the short/one word PR savvy answers that underpinned some of his McLaren pen interviews.

Either you want a passionate F1 driver or you don't.


I guess people just don't know what they want Lewis to do or say.

Always ready to attack him regardless.


That's true @Grant. I wonder! Is Lewis the only person who has had problem with a friend and later reconciled? He said they were no friends all hell broke loose, he said that they are friends all hell breaks loose. Is being honest a disadvantage these days? I think they are all judging/criticizing the wrong driver after Monaco, instead of questioning Nico's integrity on what seems as a deliberate move, rather they are criticizing a driver who was wrongfully denied a shot to pole position by his main rival deliberately or not.


A good winner hates losing and would do everything to come out on top but would also never be angry over losing.


Lewis, from what I've seen, doesn't really get angry about losing, when it's been a straight fight. Disappointed of course, but not angry. What made him angry in Monaco of course was Saturday quali, and how pole set Nico up for the win.


I just think it's a touch of lower class that drivers can "get mad" over Saturday now when the class of the 1990's usually said: "Sure, he's on pole, but there's no points for Saturday."


Exactly yes nico is a bit more PR savy but this is all for show, in reality he is no different to Lewis, Lewis just wears his heart on his sleeve. I bet 90% of fans watching monaco qually instantly thought nico had possibly used dirty tricks, and then Lewis has the confidence to say what everyones thinking and gets slaughtered for it, who cares what happens on track counts 4-2 so far and the 2 wins for nico were due to the questionable monaco qually and oz retirement for ham


If the roles were reversed, how long do you think it would take an F1 reporter to ask a question to Lewis, and couch it by saying that questions hung over both his race wins?

The F1 press all expect Lewis to win the title. That's why they want it to remain close for as long as possible.


That would be good, but what do we get instead...


An honest human being?


it's all in your mind. follow the drivers who give you what you want and leave those who don't give you what you want well alone!


What about the TV interview where when Hamilton is asked if they're still friends he answers: My dog is my friend, my closest friends are my friends, my family are my friends. Nico...he's my colleague. "

Something to that effect.

Can't go around changing your tune as it suits you. I prefer Nico's more laid-back, quiet approach. He didn't explode for the whole world to hear and see when Lewis used engine settings not permitted to stay ahead of Rosberg. Just quietly went about his business.

This championship is Hamilton's to lose.


Iwan, If you had bothered to read the article you are commenting on, you would have learned that Nico used the banned engine map first in Bahrain. I assume you will use this opportunity to congratulate Lewis for his quiet laid back approach and not exploding for the whole world to hear about it.

kenneth chapman

@timW....perhaps you may be able to clarify the events as they unfolded in regard to the use of the 'overtake' mode.

comments have been made as to the timing of this usage by the individuals insofar as rosberg used it in a passing situation whereas hamilton used it in a defence situation?

i have absolutely no idea as to the truth of the matter but the actual usage surely would be open to different interpretations as far as unfair benefits are concerned.


Like I said, my opinion on the subject is that both uses were equally out of order as the result was the same, increased engine wear that may well come back and bite them later in the season. I still also think that it wasn't crime of the century and is just a case of boys being boys, I think if you gave any F1 driver a "magic button" that made the car go faster they would press it.

My main point remains though, the huge discrepancy between reactions to Lewis doing something and Nico doing the same thing, I still don't understand why that is, but for me this incident just proved that it is true beyond doubt.

kenneth chapman

@ timW....i cannot provide you with a link for the 'comments'. they appeared on the 'newsnow' aggregate site and i cannot access that as i do not have a date or a time. if i could then i would.

the reason i mentioned it was that it had evidently not been mentioned outside the garage as it was not deemed to have been anti competetive. at least, that was the inference. true or not, who knows?

the second incident where hamilton used it would've been in clear breach of team orders if hamilton was briefed on the original usage by rosberg and rosberg's alleged rap over the knuckles for using it in the first place.

so the second usage by hamilton was what? payback? who knows? if so then make of it what you will. i doubt we will see it again but then.....


Kenneth, where did you see the report you mention? Would you care to post a link as I haven't seen it, failing that just tell us which lap the incident occured and who he was trying to pass. If Rosberg did use the banned mode to clear a lapped car then this is still a violation of the teams request not to use it, and still put unnecessary strain on the power unit. I don't really see the relevance of how the mode was used, if Nico wanted to clear a backmarker quickly then surely it was only because he didn't want to lose time to Lewis, he was under no threat from behind. Either way, in an effort to beat his team mate he used an engine mode that he was told not to use and risked damging his car and a 1/2 result for the team.

I feel we have got a little side tracked here, my original reply to Iwan was in reference to the disparity in reactions between Lewis doing something naughty and Nico doing the same thing, ie a tidal wave of abuse for Hamilton and nothing for Rosberg. I should also add that while I feel that it was equally unnacceptable for either Mercedes driver to ignore the teams wishes, I don't think it constitutes a major violation, or requires any punishment from the team above a mild rebuke and being told not to be such naughty boys in the future.

kenneth chapman

@timW....no i don't think that it is an unreasonable request because without knowing the exact details it is pointless. there was one report which alluded to the fact that rosberg MAY have used it to clear a backmarker, which, whilst possibly in breach of team instructions, could be seen as less contentious.

the use of the 'overtake' mode by hamilton was, i understand, used to defend an overtake by rosberg. there are two separate and distinct uses in question.

without having the full details the apportioning of any blame is counter productive.


Kenneth, your first point asking me to clarify the events as they unfolded is an un reasonable request as I do not work for Mercedes and have no access to the required data. Your final point (as far as I can make out) seems to be about whether or not it is more acceptable to use a prohibited engine mode in attack or defence. My opinion is that both are equally unacceptable. The team had told both drivers not to use the mode as it puts unnecessary strain on the power unit.

kenneth chapman

@ kingszito & timW...the fact is though neither of you have answered my question. read my post again. the last line is, if you have an open mind, a perfectly valid point to raise.


The engine map was not allowed to be used without team instruction, it doesn't matter for what reason it's used. So Nico break the rule first in Bahrain and Hamilton followed suit in Spain. Both of them have been warned since then not to use it without team instruction.


the truth is Kenneth the engine mode in question is not to be used at any point in the race, it is for Q3 only.


Nico first used the engine setup in Bahrain. We didn't hear about that either.

Mike from Colombia

Wow. Nico has friends in high places.

This article totally ignores the fact that the majority in the pitlane believed that Rosberg [mod], and essentially got away with this one.

Mike Hakkinen's position in this is compromised considered that he owes a lot to the Rosberg Family. He was sponsored and then managed by Keke Rosberg.

Keke's good mate, Derek Warwick went into this with a completely open mind by stating that Rosberg is the most honest driver out there. Highly objective statement from a steward.

The media clearly dislikes Hamilton or just likes to bait him to sell stories. When Jenson retires, Hamilton should sign him up as his manager.

kenneth chapman

@timW..... there is most likely more to this story than we are being told. for example, if rosberg used this mode first the team would've known about it and he would've been counseled not to use it again. i presume that hamilton knew all about it as it would've been hard to conceal! now, if this is the case then why, when hamilton used it in spain, was he told to apologise to rosberg? which he supposedly did.

this is an odd situation which is why i presumed that the method and need for usage by rosberg was deemed to be different to hamilton's use in spain. if both usages were identical why then didn't the team insist that rosberg apologise to hamilton?

think about it..


I have thought about it Kenneth and simply can't come up with any possible reason for Nico to use the mode in Bahrain, he was under no pressure from behind in the race and didn't have any need to pass any car other than those being lapped. It seems to me the most likely explanation for Nico using the prohibited engine mode is in an attempt to pass Lewis. I don't know who apologised to who,or what the team said to the drivers and neither do any of the posters on this and other sites who lambasted Lewis for "cheating" and didn't do the same when it transpired that Nico had done the same thing. That was the main point I have been trying to make throughout.


I don't think Nico has friends in high places.

He only got away this atrocity because he did it against Lewis.

Mike from Colombia

You know what...you're right. Even Maldonado would have got away with this against Lewis.


100% if Lewis didi . He would have been diqualified and banned from some races

danny almonte

Rosberg did it on purpose. He went into that lap with the intention of causing a yellow flag without damaging his car. He completed his mission.


I know right! I can think of a few drivers who would be

Literally the whole pit lane, ex-drivers, current world champion drivers, all of them came to the same conclusion pretty quickly after seeing the footage. Foul play.

Even for me it is so obvious. He corrects the car without actually needing to because the back end of the car wasn't coming round really anymore than normal. If he hadn't made that extra correction he could easily have made the corner.

Unbelievable he got away with it

kenneth chapman

@ nick H....wow, even armchair critics know as much as all the luminaries combined.i am stunned that you could come to this conclusion and the leading steward couldn't!


Wow indeed.


Almost all the ex drivers and current drivers have the same

opinion. Are you stunned by them as well? This is no different to what Michael did. You don't need telemetry just look at the footage, blatantly obvious


*would be treated way worse by the media if they did the same thing.

Scuderia McLaren

I find the whole back flip disingenuous to say the least. What does he and his PR advisers take us for, idiots? So what is it now, Besties? Give is a break. LH's Monaco rhetoric backfired and this is the clean up. Rosberg continues to land blows by default now. I haven't seen NR send any tweets from the twaterverse reaffirming the friendship.

Whilst I think LH is quicker around Canada (when he is mentally stable), the pressure is on LH more because of this perception. It'd be a severe blow if NR defeated LH in Canada. It wouldn't be that severe the other way round would it? If I were NR, I'd acknowledge that and do everything possible in and out of the car to drive the disruption on Hamilton's campaign home in Canada, then sit back and watch the fireworks.

Expect a talkative and robust Nico media wise in Canada and a quiet and cautious Lewis.

Dean Reynolds

No bitterness in your posts I see. Hows life as a maclaren fan since disingenuous lewis left? How about focusing on the failing scuderia maclaren and their woeful drivers instead of having green eyed digs at mr Hamilton.

Scuderia McLaren

LH will be a quiet and reserved bunny in Montreal, I can assure you. I re-read my post and can't see the bitterness, maybe it's a cultural thing? I do think Lewis's glib and delusional comments, over the Monaco weekend alone, are making him deliver disingenuous back flips like in the above article JA posted. We are not idiots.

Nico is not suffering the same fate as he doesn't seen to shoot his mouth off every ten seconds.

Oh and I'm not a McLaren fan. It was a moniker I thought off a long time ago. An attempt at irony. Prior to RBR dominance, the two big teams were Scuderia Ferrari and McLaren Mercedes. I mixed the two, trying to show I don't care who wins either way, that I have no favourite team. Anyway, I'm stuck with it now and you are stuck with me.


Poor us.


James your statement that " Hamilton clearly miffed that Rosberg had deliberately blocked his final run in qualifying and set himself up for the win " seems to imply that Rosberg was guilty .

correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure the stewards had more than enough data to sanction him if it was true

Secondly Hamilton seems to suffer from a persecution complex he sparked off the 2007 row by disobeying team orders to let Alonso pass him, which put the two drivers out of sequence for their pit stops. When Alonsos team reacted by blocking him in the pit lane Lewis and his father threw their toys out of the pram and Alonso was demoted five places on the grid. This probably cost Mclaren the title.

But now after 7 years in F1 you'd think he would have learned the art of being mature ........sadly he's repeating his mistakes of the past


Lol..... @Clyde

Alonso's "team" blocked Hamilton - well I've heard it all now.


I saw that BBC Blue Peter documentary around the time Lewis got the Mclaren F1 drive.

He was a [mod] then and he still is- thinking he's god's gift to F1.

Agreed that all folks at the very top of whatever their game is (business, sports, music, etc) are ruthless b*******, but Lewis' behaviour ( intimating that he never does anything wrong, he is always right and fair) is is not classy at all.

He needs a sports psychiatrist to work on his demons and constant craving for love and attention!


Like I said above, all top sportsmen are ruthless b*******...

But the really smart ones have a game plan and pick their fights and have prepared for the outcome. Thus are ready to deal with it.


Perhaps you can book him an appointment with yours. 🙂


He's currently with the England World Cup squad. So should available pretty soon... 🙂

But seriously, if Lewis could control his mind and harness all the energy that is being spent there in a positive, controlled way, he would be unstoppable. And indeed rise above all others...


Not at all. Hamilton thought that, clearly

Alastair Purves

Hamilton has decided? I think not! this is desperate PR spin designed to limit the damage inflicted on "the brand". I wouldn't pretend to be a fan of his, but I'm neither blind nor stupid, and can see Hamilton is a talented and fast driver. Here's the thing though. Hamilton isn't a youngster any more,he's pushing 30. Immature hissy fits aren't what a company like MB looks for from it's representatives. How many more of these episodes will be tolerated before somebody decides the cost/benefit ratio no longer adds up?


what is this inflicted damage you're talking about? is it not all in your head?


mercedes went looking for him because they wanted the best of the best and they did all they could to secure his services.