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Posted By: James Allen  |  05 Jun 2014   |  12:15 pm GMT  |  363 comments

Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso has said that he will not retire from Formula 1 until he has secured his third world title.

Alonso’s lifetime ambition has been to equal Ayrton Senna’s three world titles and after winning the first two early in his career, with Renault in 2005/2006, he has endured a long drought while waiting for the third. In that time the Spaniard, who will turn 33 this summer, has seen younger drivers Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel come in and clinch titles.


And with Ferrari undergoing a restructuring under new team principal Marco Mattiacci, it has prompted speculation as to whether time might run out for him to win that elusive third title,

“This is the main goal and you don’t think of retiring until you get some satisfaction. It is something I am working for and hoping for,” he told the BBC for its TV coverage of this weekend’s Canadian Grand Prix.

“It is not that I’m not happy with two but the third puts you in a list of very important names.”

“I think I can carry on long enough to win and to be competitive for some good years. I don’t know how many – three, five, seven. I don’t think it should be any problem.”


Although his main motivation is to clinch that third title, he is not motivated by driving the current cars. In the BBC interview, Alonso was critical of the 2014 hybrid turbo cars, claiming that they are not as sharp or challenging to drive on the limit,

“The new F1 cars are heavier, slower, difficult to understand what the car is doing, you cannot push all through the race,” he said.

“You push two laps and then you save tyres until the next stop. Sometimes you don’t even push. This is not something racing drivers like to do.

“It is not a problem of how long you can keep this level, it’s a problem of how much fun I will have driving those cars in the future.”


Alonso also took the opportunity to deny a rift with Ferrari president Luca Montezemolo after last summer’s “ear tweaking” episode, where the president chided him publicly for his critical comments about Ferrari.

“We talk very, very often, once a week. There are zero problems,” said the Spaniard.

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1

Honesty...it ain't gonna happen.

Newsflash...MB owns next 2-3 seasons. And odds are RBR will be the main challenger.

2

It looks bleak indeed. I think age will come first.

The one thing we'd all hate to see is a past it Alonso still struggling valiantly for a title that will never come.

Who knows the future though?

3
rob in vic bc

By MB do you mean Martin Brundle or Mark Blundell?

4

Both,l presume.Martin and Mark Backmarkers.l can safely say they contributed to the introduction of Blue flags.LOL

5
rob in vic bc

And the safety car!

6

Another guy all together. Mercedes Benz. 🙂

7

Yep agree entirely. For Ferrari or McLaren to win in the next 3 years would be a total upset/fluke.

And haha - thats why he said 5-7 years. Goal of 1 title! At least she is realistic.

8
H.Guderian (ALO fan)

You forgot the "Brawn factor".

9

???

10

I think it will fall apart quickly at MB. The loss of Ross Brawn will soon tell plus they lost Bob Bell recently also. While I appreciate Paddy Lowe is held in high regard, I feel Toto Wolff has simply found himself in the right place at the right time,

11

I don't think Toto Wolff is very consequential to the running of the team. Remember, he is the Head of Motorsports for all of Mercedes' involvement in all categories. He really is in more of a Norbert Haug role with the team in which he is more responsible to Stuttgart.

This is Paddy Lowe's team in Brackley and at the race track. McLaren's thunder really left when he did, and it is no coincidence that their competitiveness and their rate of in-season development significantly halted the day that he left the building. Even if something wasn't going well with the team, Paddy ran a technical operation that would always find a way to improve the car through a season and make it a challenger every race weekend by the end of the year. And he is working with an incredible wealth of talent at Brackley, and he has made more additions coming into this year from other teams.

And honestly, he doesn't geet nearly enough recognition for his great engineering achievements in F1. He was the architect of the active suspension at Williams, and he came up with a number of nice tricks at McLaren that everyone was trying to copy. And as 2007, 2008, and 2012 showed, he was fully capable of putting together the best car on the grid.

Paddy Lowe will be the next name that we all talk about as great engineers and top level team personnel in F1 for the simple reason that he is simply really damned effective. Mercedes will be winning championships as long as he is in charge, and I have a hunch that will be after Hamilton's and Rosberg's respective careers.

12

Paddy LoWe who designed the 2009 and 2013 Mclarens.

Not saying it was all his fault but it was his name against those designs.

13

"McLaren’s thunder really left when he did"

What thunder? Its been a disaster for Mclaren in the last few years...

14

You've read the situation wrong, I'm afraid

Toto is very centrally involved in running that team, that is very clear to us who work in the sport

15

I think opposite. I think they will ride this success quite a bit.

Agreed, Toto's timing is perfection! But that's often the difference between a hero and a zero in life and in sport. Say what you want Toto is looking like one heck of a hero.

16

Spot on.

When someone start talking about retirement, it's usually down the road.

That's more like for motivation purpose only. He missed his chance in 2012.

Ferrari will have to leapfrog both MB &RBR within the next to years to give him another shoot. And even if they somehow manage that, Alonso will have to challenge Vetel, Lewis (still on their prime), and maybe a younger teammate (Hulk, Bottas...?)

So tough challenges ahead, I think tougher than he faced before considering his age.

Odds are against him and only time will tell.

We shall see.

17

2012 is the season I started watching F1.

18

@ Zesssmo

Alonso never missed the chance either in 2010 nor in 2012. In fairness it was Alonso and his exceptional abilities have kept Ferrari in the title hunt until the last race on both cases 2010 & 2012. Midway through the season Ferrari have lost out to RBR and Mclaren in terms of car development back in 2010. If you could have noticed carefully the last 5 or 6 races of 2010. You can see that gap in pace between RBR and Ferrari notably, besides the car Alonso drove a consummate race in Korea 2010 and leapfrogged Vettel in the WDC. Ferrari made the Gambit Blot in Abu Dhabi 2010 GP where they concentrated on wrong RBR and lost the title

2012 was Far more evident. In Australia Ferrari were 1.5 seconds of the pace away from RBR. Yet Alonso drove superbly and his bravura performances were credited with a surprise victory at malasiya. Despite the shortcomings of Ferrari Alonso's consistency and hunger have kept Ferrari in the title hunt until the last race of 2012 season. Again it was the lotus pilots who have helped vettel massively in Belgium and japan 2012 races. This enabled vettel to win WDC in 2012, nothing else. Had the lotus pilots used their brains quite bit they would have got points and Alonso could have scored enough points to win WDC with clean race.

Get the facts right and Do not put the recrimination on Alonso.

2012 is the best season in the history of F1 for me, nor i have seen any other pilot in the history of F1 who is as good as Alonso

19

I think 2010 was an even bigger chance. Ferrari reacted too quickly when marks tires when off, but they were off due to wall contact and they wanted to cover him. Those were the days of the longer lasting bridgestones too.

20

@ Sebee

Actually I think 2015 maybe Red Bull or Williams' year.

It seems we have a totally new team winning every 5 years e.g.

1955

Mercedes

1965

Lotus

1975

Ferrari

1985

Mclaren

1995

Benetton

2005

Renault

Also if Lewis were to win 2014, this would be a double wammy as a British driver has never defended his title.

21

Goferet,

I don't exactly know if Kimi was caught by the yellow flag, but maybe. However, his first sector time from his second lap of his last Q3 charge (the yellow flag was sector 2) was miles away from Alonso's. Kimi pushed right from the first lap, contrarily to Alonso who pushed only in the second lap of each run. I am pretty convinced that if you watch again the live timing you will be pretty convinced yourself that the real difference between the two was about that, 7 tenths, yellow flag or not. Impressive stuff. Remember they had already done another run before, and Alonso's first lap was not more than a tenth slower than his last lap.

22

No offence but statistics based on previous years results mean absolutely nothing. What does matter is a) Which manufacturers have the best package and b) That they can combine this with a good driver. Next year will be Merc and RB slugging it out, with maybe a bit of interjection from Mclaren (if they sort it out) and Ferrari.

23

Re defending titles. Yes they have, just not successfully.

24

McLaren weren't a "new" team in 1985, they were the defending champions...

25

Williams will need to be a factory team, like they used to be, to win the WCC.

26

2015 will be Williams's year? I can assure you it won't be.

27

While it would be quite amazing if williams-merc could challenge for a wdc and constructors titles next year, they should be aiming for 3rd or 4th in the constructors title 2015.

Don't forget they have the streetwise, savvy, very cunning and clever Pat Symonds to steer the grove squad back to greatness! Pat has pedigree in turning middling teams into greatness, and I don't doubt he can do it with his new employees. Can 1 man make a difference? No, but what one man can do is provide a good direction and vision in the technical department which manifests itself on the track.

28

@ Tealeaf

Lol... Brawn 2009 proved anything is possible.

29

goferet,

I'll give you 5 to 1 odds on a pint of beer bet that Williams will NOT have a contending year next year.

Think about it. It means they have to beat their factory supplied team, with mind and budget way beyond theirs and Lewis/Nico combo. Seriously, make that 10 to 1 odds. 🙂

As for who the driver will be, don't jinx Lewis this year or next! You already called Kimi DNF flawlessly. Lewis needs to do it in 2014 to make beivers out of his many hopeful fans. Pressure is on, and your statement makes it sound as either he won't win 2014 or won't defend in 2015.

30

"Make beivers out of out of his many hopeful fans".....Wow! 🙂

I think, provided HAM can keep his emotions in check on track(not that it seems to affect his driving much), he'll have too much for ROS over the course of the season. I agree with JB, that he'll smash ROS this weekend, and it'll be the first nail in the coffin.

As for ALO, poor bloke clearly has the talent, determination, and motivation to take at least another title. I just think he'll need to get out the Ferrari to do it, and unfortunately, there'll be no seats any time soon....unless VET tires of the constant problems with Mark's....err...his car.

I'm actually hoping that both he and RIC have a trouble free weekend, and we can finally see who actually has wings at RBR!

Williams in 2015? Think someone's been hanging out at too many Martini promo events!

31

@ Sebee

But that's the thing, you just never know what Williams are cooking up.

You remember a certain Brawn team and how that story ended up.

As for Lewis, he looks good for 2014 but 2015 well, of course all of the predictions will mean nothing if it turns out Lewis' name really is Mr. Thomas A. Anderson.

32

What? How about Hill, Clark, Stewart?

33

@justafan, yes if Lewis wins this year it will be the same intervening period as G.Hill. He would also be just the second Englishman with multiple titles.

34

Lewis:

2014

-

2008

=

5

Five years between.

More than Stewart, Clark.

Same as Hill.

That was my point.

35

They didn't defend their titles

36

No British driver has ever defended their world title, I.e. won 2 in a row. I think he is assuming Lewis will win this year but then not next year.

37

They all won multiple titles but never consecutively i.e. defended their titles the next year.

38
Robert Anderson

He's right none of them retained their title the following year after becoming champion! Stewart won his 3 championships over 6 seasons

39

@ justafan

No, neither did Hill, Clark or Stewart defend their titles

Each of them won after a year or two.

40

While I doubt Merc can hold their absolute domination into next year and beyond, I do agree that the Bulls will be their main challengers on the proviso that Renault can match the Merc's fuel consumption, thermal discharge properties and torque.

And yes, I do agree that Ferrari, technically and realistically, are locked out of this year's world championship and probably next year's as well.

Remember that old Ferrari cliche: "Next year we go for the championship?" They should rectify that to: "In 3 years time, we might be able to go for the championship......."

Poor Nando eh? When he signed for the Scuderia in mid summer 2009, he must have thought, great, I can mould this team in my image, just like Michael did.

Problem was, Michael had his mates Ross the Boss, "Napaloen" Todt, Rory Byrne and even Rubee on his side...........Mr Alonso doesn't seem to have that strategic advantage at Maranello that Michael had.....

41

The keys to Ferrari's era of domination were that:

1. Bridgestone basically designed tyres around Michael's needs

2. Ferrari had their own test track and virtually unlimited testing capacity

3. They had some FIA backing in crucial matters, such as outlawing rival innovations like brake steer or mass dampers, favorable decisions such as Malaysia '99, and of course the mid-season tyre regulation clarification after Hungary '03.

4. They moved the goalposts on reliability/operational excellence at a time when it was acceptable to have a few retirements/bungles a year

5. Luck - 2000/2003 were close title fights in which Michael's main rivals had the greater share of misfortune

42

That's a very good list.

43

agree!

44

2010 and 2012 are haunting years for Alonso. Honestly, credit to Vettel for being a closer and taking full advantage to deliver, because it could have easily gone the other way. Those two years were really good seasons in my view, obvisously I didn't mind the outcome. 🙂

I've said this many times. I bet Alonso never expected to come into Ferrari, a team which came of a WDC in 2007, 1 point shy with Massa in 2008, WCC in 2008 as well, and then go on the run he's gone on. I can see a day one day, where Alonso is hanging out in Barcelona at a party celabrating 20 years of his only WDCs, gets a bit drunk and leaves to get some air. As he's walking home he stops by a 7-Eleven to grab a water, he walks up to the cash, takes 5 Euros out of his wallet, looks up to pay and then unleashes his years of pent up anger at the Red Bull point of sale mini-fridge right next to the cash register. "How could this sugar water come between me and greatness!" End scene.

45

3 DNF's for Ham when leading races also helped make it closer for the two of them.

Those DNF's robbed everyone of a fantastic 3 way fight at the end.

46

Very funny, even for an Alonso fan like me!

47

..... neither does Mr Alonso have Michael's devastating speed. But we need to be fair to Alonso: even the faster Michael needed 5 years to put Ferrari on top, so we shall give Fernando some time.

48

It's looking like what Michael did wasn't as easy as people seem to think. Also Michael spent 4 years dragging emended performances out of outclassed Ferrari before it all came together. Still hope for nando

49

+1

Back than it seemed quite easy in MSC hands. Now it seems there is a better understanding of what it means to get an underdog team and make it a dominant winner.

50

Well said Dave c. that schumacher had the foresight and the skill to mould the team on his terms took time and one hell of an effort, but boy did he reap what he sowed.

51

Not really, Schumacher had the unquestioning back up of Brawn, Byrne and Todt to count on, having brought them with him from Benetton. They had a plan and the commitment and trust in each other to stick to it.

.

Whilst Alonso has the ability, Ferrari the team has fallen back into the bad old days of infighting and the big boss making grand statements that amount to very little.

52

Re:

Dave C Reply:

June 5th, 2014 at 8:16 pm

Absolutely. It just underlines how GREAT Schumacher was. I was never his biggest fan when he was a driver, but I do laugh scornfully at those who do put him in the very highest echelons. He is without doubt one of the very greatest we have ever seen, and as Alonso and, I suspect, many subsequent Scuderia recruits will find, returning Ferrari to the top will be a task beyond them.

53

I'm still fuming over Brazil 2012. That should have been Alonso's third WDC.

54

Brazil haunts you forever.

55

Me too. That was his WDC. He was a magician throughout the 2012 season. Completely brilliant.

and i blame 2010 on that petrov.

56

Fernando benfitted a ton that year from the misfortune of other drivers. Episodes like Hamilton running out of fuel after qualifying at Spain and getting crashed out by Maldonado at Valencia, Vettel having a mechanical failure when he was on his way to an easy win in Valencia or losing a lot of points with one at Monza- all of this really distorted the picture of the championship going into Singapore... these lost points really added up. Hamilton would definitely have won in Barcelona from pole and likely would have gotten at least fifth, and Vettel would have won Valencia and scored decent points in Monza. Most of Alonso's big lead in Hungary wouldn't have been there if not for these incidents alone, and Alonso had absolutely no bad luck that cost him points to that degree. And just before Vettel took the bull by the horns in Singapore, he was well within striking distance for the championship. Yes, he drove outstandingly up to that point, but I don't see any claim for him to that championship. Vettel and Red Bull were quicker, and as soon as they sorted out the tires, they won.

And again, the "stolen championship" always gets flung about wih regard to 2010. Look, that was a very competitive year in the championship, and it was very close throughout the year among three teams- any one of which would have the best car on any given weekend, even Ferrari. The guy who was leading the championship going into Monza finished 4th. It was a championship that was going to go down to the last race from the very beginning, and it would be all about who could peak at the very end, win the final race, and take the title. That's just the way the season was. It didn't belong to Alonso at all. Hell, if any driver looked perhaps odds on at any point, it may have been Webber that year.

57

Isn`t it a strategic approach to racing by any team. The goal is to collect as many points you can at the end of the season. Red Bull were faster and collected bigger points when finishing but poorer reliability meaning they give away more too. At the same time Ferrari played their hand by very good reliability with little smaller points, but collecting them more often. So, at the end it is very even. I am struggling to understand how these facts say Ferrari is dog of a car and Frodo the master who performs miracles?

Each team is calculating before every race the fastest tactics. It is 1, or 2, or 3 stops. Sometimes a couple of them are quite even. You can say both are right but with 3 stops you travel faster between the stops, maybe have to overtake more to make it work, hence you are more on picture and your main rival can look slower and after the race, with a little PR help, he is a hero, competing on par with faster cars. The same can be said to about all season. Teams thinking strategically. Final outcome is quite close but faster strategy is more on the picture.

Adding that all resources has been behind Frodo, this hero stuff does not impress me as much as all the hippies out there.

But he is very good. Like many of them. Like Kvyat. This guy is mentally champion already.

58

I must take issue with an important point: Talking about where a driver *may* have finished due to a DNF.

Reliability is part of the car just as much as its downforce or engine power. You take the good with the bad. Vettel may have won in Valencia if his car didn't break down, but if it wasn't fast he wouldn't have been at the front.

Retiring due to one's own, or another driver's actions is a totally different story.

59

That Sebastian crash kid didn't deserve it in 2010 with all his mistakes. Of course, Ferrari's poor strategy at the final Grand Prix of the season cost Alonso his third title. It had nothing to do with him jumping the lights in China, a pathetic attempt of an overtake of Kubica at Silverstone, or crashing out of the Belgian race.

60

Obviously you didn't watch 2010 as Vettel was only involved in 2 accidents Turkey and Spa its funny how people revise history

61

You misread my comment? It was a (reasonably gentle) sarcastic swipe at those who believed Alonso lost out on the title only through bad luck and by Ferrari's strategic decision at the final race. Those are Alonso's mistakes I mentioned.

Vettel did well to win it in 2010, given he was racing older, more experienced drivers in competitive machinery. Yes, he lost the plot in Turkey and Spa, but Alonso messed up in the races I've mentioned above. There was also his turning in on another driver in Australia (though was that the fault of the early season mirror placing on that year's Ferrari?), which lead to a spin. The Monaco crash too, although Alonso was unlucky that this hurt the rest of his weekend, and he had bad luck in Malaysia.

Vettel lost out in Turkey and Belgium by his own mistakes, and Hungary, however he lost out a handful of points to Alonso with reliability problems in Bahrain, Australia, Spain, Korea, and did a good job of damage limitation at Monza.

It was a messy season for all the drivers in the top 3 teams so I believe Vettel did a good job to recover despite some dodgy moments.

62

He drove brilliantly in 2012 no doubt, but also had luck in terms of points gained from Mclaren's unreliability/errors, and was partly (if not fully) responsible for his retirement at turn 1 at Suzuka. Had Vettel not started from the back at Abu Dhabi, or been squeezed at the start by his teammate, it would have been easier for Seb to seal the title. In 2010, Alonso made a few costly errors in the first half of the year. Again, Red Bull's unreliability and inter-team battle made that title look closer than it should have. While I loved his driving in 2012, didnt quite enjoy some of his condescending remarks targeted at Vettel, probably born out of the frustration he must be experiencing.

64
Fernando "150%" Alonso

For me, that was his third WDC!

65

I love your PMA!! (Positive Mental Attitude).

I'm going to join your thinking method and say...

GO VETTEL FOR 5TH IN A ROW IN 2014!!!

66

Yes Nathan, and Seb is not alone.

Drivers don't like the engines, specifically the engergy recovery piece which does the braking "for them". The are not fond of the current Formula spec as you can clearly see by Alonso's now official comments and what DC said in an inverview about the comments of "all other drivers" including Lewis and Nico. They describe the experience as not pure. Take that to mean whatever you wish, but clearly these slower cars with this engine spec are taking confidence away from the drivers. They don't trust the car. If you were going 300km/h and didn't have consistancy in your braking experience, how would you feel?

This Daniel guy is definately making it happen. Perhaps he's more at ease with this formula, or he's taking bigger risks.

67

Oh, yeah, he should also look to stop knackering his car. I can't help but think there must be something about his driving style which causes his unreliability. It can't possibly be purely down to blind luck - there's something wrong with Sebbie's touch.

68

Vettel should probably focus on not getting his head handed to him by Ricciardo in 2014, rather than thinking about his fifth. To be summarily dismissed by the newbie, would cast a very long shadow over his four.

69

Well, if you consider McLaren denied him in 2007, plus if he would have stayed there for the duration of the original contract, had the chance to win one more between 2008-2009, still move to Ferrari in 2010 and the Abu-Dhabi s****-up... maybe 2012 could have been his sixth.

70

Take your pick:

(i) Keep dreaming

(ii) Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda.

(iii) If only ...

(iv) Why does it always rain on me. (Travis?)

71

Could've, would've, should've..

Even his 2005 title was handed to him by mechanical failures from Mclaren when Raikkonen was in the lead several times that year.. How many times did Fernandos car fail him in 2010 & 2012?? No excuses even after Ferrari used every trick in the book to get him challenging

He was even beaten by his rookie team mate in 2007

72

Hamilton and Raikonnen denied him in 2007, not Mclaren, he just let it get in his head that the new boy was so competitive.

73

Is that the Scooby-Doo endine of the High as a Kite ending?

Repeat after me...

Kimi

Lewis

Button

Vettel

Vettel

Vettel

Vettel

...no, I'm not a broken record at the end there as you know, only Vettel braking records!

74

So unfair...

75

If my auntie had male sex organs she would be my uncle. Fernando made his choices

76

I prefer the saying 'if my aunty had a moustache' - much less imagery in my head with this 🙂

77
Robert Anderson

Lol, understand the sentiment

78

Breaking your team mates gearbox seal to gain advantage..surely is not champions spirit, is it?..glad he didnt win WDC 2012..else it would had been shame.

79

First of all, do you truly think it was Alonso who came up with the gearbox penalty idea on Massa. It almost certainly was the team's idea to employ this tactic.

Secondly, Massa had performed dismally compared to Alonso that year. Massa himself should have come up with the idea to give himself a penalty at that stage of the championship. Drivers who actively help out their much better placed team mates show a great deal of honour and fortitude; they are sporting heroes.

Ronnie Peterson and Rubens Barrichello are good examples of such men. To be a dignified number 2 without bitterness is very difficult and next to saintliness in Formula 1.

Regarding champion spirit, what is your position on Vettel's ambush on Webber at Malaysia 2013 and his subsequent failure to make amends later in the season when he had the opportunity to do so (Japan, Brazil)?

Once a driver has mathematically won the championship, it is only reasonable and honourable for them to endeavour to elevate their team mate into 2nd place in the championship whenever and however they can. The goal should always be a 1st place in the WCC and a 1st, 2nd place in the WDC.

80

Nor was it a champion's spirit in ramming a competitor's car; using special specification tyres (Ferrari - Bridgestone); have no.1 status sealed in contract which effectively ruled out teammate's challenge.

All F1 drivers are selfish gits that by nature are like that in their characters. This is no gentlemen's game and to win in this sport they have to be so darn ruthless to achieve their goals.

If breaking the gearbox seal is bad where does that put MSc's ruthless rams? At least Massa's life wasn't in danger.

81

Yeah, it's a shame he choked.

82

You are right. Chris Dyer choked and cost Ferrari the WDC in 2010.

83

Alonso choked? He finished 2nd in that race in a car that was nowhere near the front runners. Seb and RB choked much more; in fact Alonso outscored Seb in the last 3 races which is astounding given the difference between the RB and the Ferrari.

84

H Guderian (ALO fan)

Very well put mate

Certain people here cannot claim Alonso chokes under pressure, because i have seen a pilot who cannot deliver anything even with a fastest package and loses out a pilot who is not much fancied at all. Then he gets sacked in 2009.

Yet quite a lot people here claim such pilot who got sacked by ferrari in 2009 as quick which is way to hilarious and delusional

85

That is a very myopic way of looking at it he actually choked look back at qualifying and he was beaten by Massa in that same period consistently also he only outscored Vettel due to the spin in Brazil without that he would not have come anywhere close to him just like 2010 people fail to remember the only thing that kept Alonso in the title was Vettel's engine failure 14 laps from home at Korea, but keep blaming Ferrari.

86

Alonso didn't even beat Massa in that race, Massa had to let him through. Please rewatch the race, if possible.

87

It's not really all that outstanding. Vettel started the back of the field in Abu Dhabi through no fault of his own, and was basically send to the back of the field on lap one in Brazil (again, I would say not his fault). No matter how rubbish you think the Ferrari was compared to the Red Bull, that's a pretty big head start for Alonso.

89

Ferrari may not be the fastest car, it was the most reliable car for last 4-5 seasons. I don't particularly remember Alonso having retirements due to the car.

90
Spinodontosaurus

Alonso was off the road at least twice, and Massa had way more pace than him.

Vettel was spun to the back and then had to charge back through the field in a damaged car.

If you can say that either of these two 'choked', then it would be Alonso.

Still, this was nearly 2 years ago. It's probably time for everybody to move on.

91
Dave Emberton

I agree. I was so disappointed with the way that turned out.

We all know the score: he's clearly good enough; it just needs Ferrari to give him a good enough car, or switch to a team that will.

92

Good enough but doesn't deliver- he plain & simply choked !

93
H.Guderian (ALO fan)

But he seems "good enough" to crush the "great" Kimi, huh??? 😎

6x0

94

And Abu Dhabi 2010

95

Oh yes..Thanks for that reminder. I heard Steve Winward is touring and how does the song go.."When you see a chance you take it.."

Of the five world champions in F1 only Alonso would f/ it up twice like that!. Hamilton would be the other to possibly fold.The other 3 - once they got a sniff its all over.

97

Thanks for the reminder that I have to buy a T-Shirt for my kids.

I just bought one, show your support for 2010, grab a collectors item yourself!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121337677456

🙂

98

Perhaps you should maybe learn to let things go a bit and move on?

It can't be healthy to be fuming about a race outcome, let alone one from 2 seasons back.

99

That's the spirit Fernando!

Fighting talk!

Whatever you think of Mr Alonso, nobody can doubt his relentlessness, his feistiness, his never give up attitude. His ability to consistently out-perform a woeful Ferrari over the last 5 seasons has gone unrewarded in terms of the glory of a WDC.

There again Fernando, you're lack of a 3rd WDC unfortunately thus far (it won't happen this year as well) is all down to the people you work for.................

PS Is this a nudge-nudge, wink wink that Nando is seeking pastures new? Or will he see out his career with Ferrari?

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"His ability to consistently out-perform a woeful Ferrari over the last 5 seasons"

Now six seasons, I suppose. Funny how every car Alonso drives gets tagged with the "woeful' label. At what point do you ask if the problem is the driver and not the car?

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As soon as I read the title. A mental image pops up with middle-aged Alonso with all silver hair and silver beard. Still as stubborn as ever but does not have a young man's reflex. He would say " this will be my year for the third world champion!" with his fist clinged and pumped up in the air.

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@ Gaz Boy

If Alonso gets a good prospect else where, I don't think he will retire at Ferrari considering he says I will not retire from Formula 1 >>> instead of... I will retire from Ferrari.

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With Rosberg Junior and Lewis signed up for 2015 and 2016 at Merc, that's Brackley sorted out driver line up wise.

Bulls? I suspect Daniel will sign a 2/3 year contract within a few weeks. Seb has a cast iron contract for 2015, but beyond that? Still, 2015 at Red Bull is also sorted drive line up wise.

Ferrari and Macca? Hmm, that's the interesting one. What do the Scuderia do, Kimi wise? He has a cast iron contract for this year with an option for 2015. However, will Ferrari take up that option? Fernando certainly will be driving for the Prancing Horse in 2015, but beyond that? So Ferrari's driver line up in 2015 is a bit muddy.

Macca? Dunno. You're guess is as good as mine. That's the key to the driver market. Good old Ron. Will he stick with Jenson and Mini-Mag, or take a punt on the Hulk?

The silly season has commenced...........

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kenneth chapman

@ gaz boy...there were rumours some three weeks ago that red bull had signed ricciardo onto a brand new contract. apparently with his heightened form they were anxious to keep him as ferrari were going to try and snap him up? true or false...who knows but he appears to be off the market ATPM.

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Vettel extended through the end of 2016 at the end of last season I believe.

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PS Is is true that some of the spectators at Montreal are not always human - i.e groundhogs?

Having a look on Google Images, they look like beavers. Imagine one of those being sucked by the turbo! What a horrible racket (and mess) that would be!

I imagine all the rabbits and squirrels in Austria and Silverstone will be cleared away to prevent any such eventualities!

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I bike along the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve track every day, and a week ago, every morning around 9 am, there were guys setting groundhog traps (the humane kind) in the wooded areas near the track... so I think the organizers take the groundhog threat relatively seriously.

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Yes there are groundhogs, but as to what that has to do with a turbo I have no idea.

When they get hit, they break a front wing and fly off the track. They don't get bumped up into the air and sucked into their airbox like a cartoon....

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Gee, thanks KGBVD - now I have nothing to get up early Monday morning Australia time to watch the race for... :/

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I remember Ant Davidson going head first into a beaver and lets face it we've all done that but there's a time and a place for it 🙂

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Actually there's a Niki Lauda anecdote on that, Montreal 1985.

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Yes Gaz Boy. Our groundhogs are big and yes, they do like their F1. The lucky buggers have the best seats in the house and they don't even have to pay Bernie the price of admission.

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Ha!

Not many get one over Mr E fiscally speaking, but the plucky groundhogs get to watch the race for free and can watch at any vantage point at any time!

I like their attitude!

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@ Gaz Boy

I guess that would explain why we tend to have classic races at Montreal e.g. 2011, 1999, 2010 etc

It's all thanks to those blooming groundhogs Lol...

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I've just seen one on the BBC F1 website, running across the track! Blimey, their feisty rodents, aren't they!!!

Well at least if Rosberg Junior is slow this weekend (compared to Lewis) he's can use the excuse that he "nearly run over a groundhog!"

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Anthony Davidson hit one in his Super Aguri in 07 or 08, think he was on for one of his best results till the collision!!

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Yep, he was comfortably ahead of Sato, who finished 6th I believe.

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Nick, I'd forgot about that! Poor old Ant, wasn't he in 3rd or 4th position at the time............

Guess Canada 2007 was groundhog day for Mr Davidson!

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I'm glad Alonso is going to stick around until he has a third. After that i think it would be fantastic if he competes in an LMP 1 at Le Mans......a Ferrari LMP 1!

On a more negative note, I think he could possibly leave Ferrari for McLaren Honda if the Scuderia don't convince him with their progress this year.

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I'd think he perhaps would join his old friend Webber at Porsche. That would be something.

Hope Webber and Porsche can somehow get one over the Audi and Toyota and win at Le Mans next week.

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That would be great, I'm really looking forward to Le Mans this year, and will be cheering for Porsche.

The LMP 1 cars habe now become more interesting than the current F1 batch, what with them all being near identical in sounding lame.

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I think he wont take that risk next year. McLaren are behind Force India this year and far behind Ferrari (Ferrari is supposed to have the worst engine). Remember McLaren used to supply half the car to Force India not so long ago. However, he may consider that move if McLaren Honda performs better than Ferrari next year and if he can co-exist with Ron Dennis.

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If McLaren Honda are doing good next year (meaning both Button and Magnussen winning races) then would Ron hire Alonso for 2016?

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On a side note. If there is any life lesson to be learned from following F1 all these years, it is think twice before burning bridges along the way.

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The engine problem at Ferrari has been identified as the turbo being too small. Unfortunately the rules don't allow them to change it until next year. It would seem Ferrari played it safe and went for reliability rather than max power, shame.

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....but I have to say thanks to Alonso on the honesty of 2014 car comments.

There you go. Many of you think if him as the best on the grid. You heard from the man himself. Now do you believe this new formula is misguided? For me it is the sound and the slowness. For him it is something entirely more.

Who's happy? Marketers! Aren't they always the ones who ruin it for everyone with their propaganda?

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The one thing that is really consistent among many drivers comments is that the cars are unbelievably inconsistent. They could be just fine one minute then they get electrical gremlins with the ERS the next, then theyre fine again. Same thing with brakes / handling balance due to less aero.For drivers and engineers predictability is probably the most important thing because you know how to react but when the whole drivability of the car changes around electrical harvesting it makes fixes very tricky.

Its a very raw formula but I think changing the aero regulations so heavily at the same time as such drastic mechanical changes was/ is over kill.

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Seriously Elie, could it not be argued that this is a safety issue?

Perhaps that's what's needed here. A driver to crash, come out, blame this whole recovery piece unpredictability and finally we'll get some recognition that really no one cares about this ERS crap.

Reality is this; any energy recovery system by default means that there are extra bits onboard. Extra bits mean extra mass, mean extra energy constantly needed to accelerate and move that mass. For that reason the additional weight is a panalty to range in a fuel powered car, or even in an electric car. You'd likely go further if those bits weren't there as transfer of energy always involves a waste. Also, there is a growing school of though that for efficiency is coasting. coasing. Coasting with minimal resistance offers most distance benefit, reduces vehicle cost, weight. And let's be honest, no real car undergos the type of violent and repetitive braking/deceleration as an F1 car where most of this ERS is recharged. Meaning, this energy recovery is a crock in real life because I don't stop at a school crossing with a force of 3Gs. And now it's ruined my F1 too!

I say stick ERS where the sun don't shine! 🙂

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@Sebee

thanks to Alonso on the honesty ....

I had to laugh when I read that statement. Alonso and honesty - two words you don't normally see in the same sentence.

BTW, you normally have your ear close to the ground - what can you tell us about the emerging reports concerning Red Bull and an alleged illegal road test? I find it hard to believe they would do it 😉

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kenneth chapman

@C63...i'm not seebee but firstly it was toro rosso and not red bull and secondly apparently it was all legal as teams are allowed to dyno test on a rolling road provided that there are no front wings and rear wings attached and there are no 'aero' tests.

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Thanks KC, I did say alleged. What I find puzzling is Red Bull denying any involvement but adding the caveat they believe the test was legal. If they weren't involved, why do they care whether it was legal or not? Hey, I have just had a thought - what if Red Bull were sharing test information with their junior team Toro Rosso? No, sorry I even suggested it , that would be breaching the regulations and they wouldn't do that would they 😉

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So Renault could sort their engine out. Don't think wings were ever the problem anyway

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It wasn't Red Bull! It was some Italian "red" outfit! That C63 is called doing a "Mercedes" if you know what I mean. 🙂

And yes, valid observation. I usually don't praise Alonso for his honesty and that was a unique sentence indeed. I will get one by you one if these days!

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Peter Freeman

The UN is happy for the support from F1 for its lucrative Carbon Trading program.

Now come on everyone, pay your carbon taxes or the world will end look even F1 are believers...

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It may just be an honest assessment but really you don't hear complaints when people are winning. I think Alonso will drive to the bitter end but I think even he'd be a lot less vocal if he was driving a Mercedes this year.

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Did you see D.C.'s column? He's around the drivers and he states that Lewis and Nico aren't complaining as much because they are winning, but they don't like the new formula either. They feel the experience is not as pure and they are no where near the limit.

I think last year with the tires, a little bit of moaning by the drivers created a big stir with fans and they don't want to do this to the current formula. But truth is we don't like how it sounds, we don't like that it's slower, we don't like the fake green credentials. And more importantly, the drivers don't like the energy recovery piece, they don't like the fact that obviously they are not pushing nearly as hard and that the experience is not as pure.

I gave this formula a chance, and I'm keeping up because it is F1, but it's a lame F1 in my view. It's F1 Lite, F1 Sugar-Free, F1 Zero, F1 Fat Free...whatever you want to call it, it's not exactly what F1 should "taste like".

It's compromised. We let the marketing message take over the formula and the balance has been lost. It's clear the drivers feel this way too, so at least we (fans who aren't fond of this new formula) are not alone.

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C63, we is THE SILENT MAJORITY!

Also, most if not all of the drivers as clearly stated by their informal spokesman, D.C. And now Alonso, first hand feedback.

Look, I gave this formula a chance and I think it's sub par. Unless they rev up these engines pronto and significantly reduce the size of the ERS so the drivers can have normal braking this era of neutered F1 will go down in history as the move "demanded" by the manufacturers to be more relevant and marketing departments to look green but also as the single biggest period of declining viewership and track attendence in F1's modern era. Soon Euro race grandstands will look like Chinese grandstands.

I so wish I could have access to JA's Radio commentary, so I could have access to real time audio feed as it would let me stay in touch without having to dedicate time to the screen toward this formula. Can I pay and subscribe to this to have the stream outside of UK?

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You can access my radio commentary

It's on the Official F1 app, available anywhere in the world. In USA it's also on Sirrius

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Sounds crazy, but why don't all the drivers strike and demand that Formula 1 be made fun again for the competitors. I don't think FOMA would be pleased if the driver line up for next season consisted of unknown rookies.

When drivers are enjoying the racing, the racing is always better to watch. FOMA, FIA and the manufacturers must know this, surely.

I'm sure a lot of the drivers sometimes wish they were back in a go kart.

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@Sebee

But truth is we don’t like how it sounds, we don’t like that it’s slower, ....

Who is this we? Was there a vote that I missed? Please don't presume to speak on behalf of me (and many others who aren't complaining).

Thank you.

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A driver has never deserved one more title (at least) than Alonso does now. One of the Top 3 of all times, but has been draged by underperforming cars. General feeling is that his numbers don't really reflect his talent and this, with two titles, 32 victories and almost a hundred podiums is saying quite a lot.

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Alonso could have had 5 WDC. He threw away away 3 of them in the very last race.

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I don't think Alonso deserves 5 title, maybe 3. In 2005 and 2006 it was Raikkonen and Schumacher's reliability that denied them the titles and he didn't 'throw' away those titles at the last races he just wasn't fast enough in 2010 and 2012 at the final race but I'll say over a season he deserved the 2007, 2012 and 2013 titles.

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The reliability thing is true for 2005, but not for 2006. Everybody remembers Schumacher engine failure at Suzuka, but for whatever reason forgets Alonso's engine failure at Monza...

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You dont think the Mclaren was equal fastest, poor pitstops, fuel problem, mechanical breakdown in the lead of Abu Dhabi , Singapore, Hamilton deserved 2012. ??

You dont think Red Bull RB9 was pretty untouchable 2013.?

You dont think Hamilton 'deserved' it more than Fernando or Kimi for winning it in the final race ?.

Whats this fascination with a man who constantly exaggerates his achievements to nth degree.

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The irony is his 2 titles came in seasons where he benefited greatly from his direct rivals much worse reliability. He's probably been more impressive in the seasons he finished 2nd than the seasons he actually won the championship.

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I guess he will never retire then...

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+1 you beat me to it!

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Yeah, he'll look funny driving with grey hair, thick glasses and a hearing aid...

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F1 2041 - lawnmower engines, all cars painted green, and Mr. Fernando Alonso at 60...laps down.

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He deserves another crown (and thats from me, someone who isn't his biggest fan), but I fear he may have to leave Ferrari to do it. It's been over a year since he won, and I can't remember him winning successive races (must have been quite some time ago?).

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My Dad's Harder Than Yours

aka Bye Bye Ferrari.....

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He deserves the third one for sure!! let's see how long & with whom!!

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He needs to find anther team, he's wasting his career at Ferrari.

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Ferrari can win you many titles. Schumi is the living proof.

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Schumi won all his titles with Todt/Braun/Byrne and a few others. They're gone and so are the titles.

@Gaz Boy,

Your description of the situation is the unfortunate reality. It is a shame to see such a great driver wasting his time like that. Imagine if he could go mix it up with the Mercedes boys...

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I'm going to open a massive, Montoya sized can of worms here............but I think that:

a) Merc GP should have waited for the European season to finish before re-signing Rosberg Jnr

b) Just give him a draft contract for 2015, with an option of 2016. If he doesn't meet the criteria for the rest of 2014 and 2015 (i.e winning consistently) then that option for 2016 becomes null and void.

c) They should have investigated the possibility of Nando or the other Nico for 2015 or 2016.........

Controversial stuff!

Still, I don't run Merc GP, it's there business, and if they are happy with their decision making so be it. However, just because a dominant in year X doesn't mean they will be dominant in year Y. And you'd have to say Rosberg Jnr is a bit, er, wayward when his team's chips are down - I remember being at Silverstone 2012 and Mr Rosberg was very, very slow indeed.

A good analogy: Ferrari 2004......couldn't stop winning.

Ferrari 2005.............couldn't stop loosing.

That's my point, Merc can't assume the next couple of years are just going to be a Silver walkover and should employ somebody who is not mentally defeated when the chips are down!

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That last sentence was a bit tasteless but anyway Fernando will never match Schumacher when both were at their prime Michael was just plain faster with equal consistency.

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Sorry about that, didn't want to hurt your feelings, however technically the statement was correct.

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I'm afraid the Roman empire is not just burning, but completely incinerated............sorry to use that cliche connecting ancient Rome and Ferrari, but it's a pretty accurate analogy!

If 2000 to 2004 was the Safe Passage of St Michael, 2005 to 2009 was All The Young(ish) Dudes, 2010 to 2013 was the Charging Bull spears El Matador and the Prancing Horse, what will be 2004 be remembered as? The Silver Arrows dream machines?

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Error, damm stupid keyboard: the last numerical legend should be "what will 2014 be remembered as?"

Right, this Ferrari keyboard has got to go..........hmm, wonder if Nando is thinking the same thing eh?

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Agree, but the problem for Mr Alonso is:

a)Mercedes are locked out for him until 2017

b) Red Bull will very likely stick with Daniel and Seb for a couple more years, and even if Sebastian jumps ship will probably promote in-house from Toro Rosso - probably Kyvat

c) Ron's back in charge at Macca, and Nando would rather eat a bucketload of rusty nails than work for Mr Dennis if he still blames Ron for his breakdown in relationships with Macca

d) Return to Enstone? In their fiscal state?

What's that old cliche: Damned if you do, damned if you don't.......

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Could williams be the answer to Alonso's prayers? They would have to stab one of their existing drivers in the back nut frank has previous there!

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Ricciardo will just fade out when Vettel gets the reliability sorted out and if Alonso wanted to go to Redbull I say give him a seat if it is a seat swap for Vettel I think its a good move on both sides and also if Vettel doesn't want to leave then RBR would be foolish not to give Fernando Ricciardo's seat, 2 of the best drivers in F1 in one team would boost Redbull's name 10 fold not to mention the performances even if there are likely to be fireworks. Also if the situation at Mercedes gets untenable then Merc would not be wise if they didn't sign Fernando so its not that closed off especially with Santander money as well...

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I don't know why you would think that Ricciardo is not a star of the future. It is more likely that Vettel won't ever win another race than it is that Ricciardo will just fade away. It looks like Vettel may have turned down Jacques Villenueve street as far as his career goes.

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Yes, pair Alonso with Hamiliton, that'll work!!

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kenneth chapman

@ tealeaf...what makes you think that ricciardo will just fade out? obviously you have some inside run and that it is all lies that ricciardo has been resigned by red bull. look forward to reading just why you think this is so?

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You are so wrong about Ricardo mate... bring on 2015

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I might have given credence to your thought process, except that Red Bull were in the exact same place 12mths ago, and appointed Ricciardo when he was a lesser-known quantity. Daniel has now worked for the team, is one of the most-watched drivers in the paddock, doesn't crash or make stupid mistakes, and SCOREBOARD! Who's to say that Vettel will come back at all? There is certainly a pattern emerging, even with both driver's reliability/non-scores taken into account.

As much as I think that Fernando is probably the best driver out there, sadly RBR will not be an option as Daniel has already done enough to be retained for 2015. If the Prancing Horse isn't enough to get the job done, I suspect he will move back to the McLaren fold... Santander already have.

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Not sure if I agree about Ricciardo fading out, but Vettel is already on his 4th engine, so a few 5-place grid penalties on his way in the second half of the season. so will be a bit hard for him to beat Ricciardo if that happens.

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kenneth chapman

alonso is simply corroborating just what a lot of posters have also been saying. just watch how quickly all the anti alonso people will be out in their hordes saying that 'he would say that, wouldn't he'? but i don't necessarily agree.

alonso is a skilled operator and he knows infinitely more than any of us when it comes to F1 car analysis. if you take what he has said and add the 'noise' element it just about sums it all up.

these new PU's need some serious tweaking and could start off by getting rid of these stupid fuel restrictions and let them rev to the full 15000 then we may see some decent racing.

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My main complaint about the new engines, sorry PU's, is that they are a bit over-regulated.

In the previous turbo era, an engine manufacturer could choose the vee angle, amount of turbo's, amount of intercoolers, amount of boost (until 1987) and how many cylinders they wanted as long as the displacement didn't exceed 1500cc.

So, you had Ferrari with a wide 120 degree bi-turbo V6. Renault had a right angle 90 degree bi-turbo V6. BMW, on the other hand had a straight four being fed with just a single massive turbo! TAG-Porsche opted for a slightly odd 80 degree twin turbo V6, while Honda floated between a V6 bi-turbo with 80 or 90 degrees.

Point is, engine manufacturers had so much more choice in terms of their designs. Now, everyone has to have a 90 degree single turbo V6 motor. OK, I know were talking about a different era, but the homogenisation of engines is devaluing F1.

It is "motor" sport after all!

PS Forget about Alfa, they had a 90 degree 1.5 lire bi-turbp V8! A V8 - I imagine the pistons and valves would have been tiny!

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kenneth chapman

@ gaz boy..... yes, free up the R & R and let us see the fantastic engineering solutions that are there for the asking. i am all for innovation but these new PU's, whilst technologically advanced, really are more suited to sportscar racing. in fact i think that you will find that already LMP1 are more advanced in the hybrid areas than F1.

F1 has undoubtedly taken on an aura of artificiality that is becoming increasingly difficult to shake off and it is this, i believe, that will eventually choke off any substantial expansion of interest in new fans.

i recall back in the eighties attending a BMW VIP client evening and they had on show an F1 engine, similar to the one that you have described. i was gobsmacked at the size of it. it was tiny and it looked as though one could just pick it up and walk away with it tucked under ones arm. truly amazing that it packed such insane HP!!!

of course nothing will happen and the FIA will go on their merry way until such time as they are forced to re invent themselves.

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kenneth chapman

@ dave emberton...the fuel flow meter problems were a topic prior to xmas. in fact i read articles predicting problems towards the end of last year. racecar engineering and F1 technical were right on to it pre xmas and F1 technical began discussing the possible problems around mid june/july 2013 IIRC. it may have been even earlier.

james has kindly offered/suggested that he may do a forensic style investigation on just where the current situation is. this regulation is still constricting performance and sounds vis-a-vis the engine revs.

i would just like to see them ditch it and let the teams sort out how they go racing.

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PS By the way, no squirrels were harmed that day when the Brabham-BMW appeared at Silverstone..........I'm not sure about the rabbits, hares and moles though.............

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I've seen that BMW 1.5 litre straight 4 too, albeit in the back of Lord Nelson's Brabham! It was at Silverstone a few years back in one of those historic events where they bring out the old racers for old times sake.

Yes, the size of that BMW is amazing! It is amazingly slim. I do believe, that, for promotional reasons, it was based on a BMW production engine. I think the block used by Brabham in their glory days was actually three years old, and had special "cured" steel. Cured steel - sounds a bit like ham! Actually, it was the same principle as cooking meat, in that the steel would harden over time and by less vulnerable to warping and cracking. Also, "cured" steel is able to cope with the huge thermal pressures that are common a turbo engine.

As you rightly say, the BMW F1 engine may have been small, but it was massively grunty! However, apparently, the drivers such as Lord Nelson, Patrese and Gerhard Beef Berger complained and moaned that the turbo lag was horrible and the engine's response was like a light switch. Unlike their V6 opposition which had two turbos (one mounted on each side of the vee) which eliminated turbo lag, the BMW 4 had just one massive squirrel mincing turbocharger complete with an intercooler to stop the engine from boiling over. Inevitably throttle response was somewhat compromised!

I have to say though, the BMW 4 does sound unusual, compared to its V6 opposition at least, it sounds "spluttery", but that's just my opinion.....

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I agree, away with the fuel limit and let them turn up the revs.

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Dave Emberton

Nobody's stopping them revving to the full 15,000 rpm. Indeed that's the limit the FIA have imposed.

Getting rid of the fuel restrictions just means a bhp arms race, with whoever has the most money having a ridiculous advantage. It'll destroy the decent racing we have now.

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kenneth chapman

@dave emberton...the fuel restrictions limit the fuel flow meaning that they cannot exceed the limit of 100kg/h.

by removing this imposition but maintaining the same max fuel allowance allows more flexibilty as it is the fuel flow that limits the revs. why would it necessarily spark an 'arms race'?

do you seriously think that we have racing that could not be further improved with drivers being able to push rather than 'lift and coast'in order to finish the race. did you read alonso's comment?

it also covers the ridiculous situation with pirelli tyres. yes, it has improved but just how much better would it be if they had tyres that they could push as well? what F1 needs,IMO, is the entry of michelin or another top drawer manufacturer. competition would improve the quality of the tyres and allow the teams more choice.

i believe that the 'sport/business'could be vastly improved by freeing up the choices rather than ridiculous regulation putting a stranglehold on innovation.

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kenneth chapman

@ C63.... so what? if teams choose to boost power output for quali then so be it. what is the problem? they still only have the same number of units for a season and if they choose to gamble with possible negative outcomes then that is their problem. drivers of yesteryear could cope with massive HP why couldn't the current drivers?considering the technical advances in car control and driver safety it shouldn't be a problem, after all they are supposed to be the world's best.

i suppose that you are fully aware that the LMP1 toyota is producing 1000HP and they are having a great time winning. no driver problems there. time to free things up a little and let the racing begin don't you think?

.

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I disagree with Pirelli being entirely at fault. Unlike Bridgestone who just flat out refused to change their compounds from anything other than soft tyres that could do a race distance - Pirelli are following what they were tasked with and with no real testing. Given the tyres were designed for these torque monsters without even trialling one beforehand they clearly went conservative - remember before the season everyone was suggesting these new cars would shred the tyres to bits on corner exits. What's happened is the tyres are too hard and take an age to warm up. Michelin or Bridgestone couldn't have made any different predictions. Pirelli I think we're just so stung by the previous years media blitz and the back and forth politicking between teams who liked the tyres and those that hated them - this year they clearly went ultra conservative. But then even the best engineers were predicting we'd barely have half the field finishing the first few races - we were even contemplating zero finishers in Melbourne - as it turns out F1 just adapts faster than even they plan for! I think Pirelli should just be allowed to modify the tyres completely at two points in season for both safety and sporting reasons. Following each main test would be good. Then we could have had new tyres for this European campaign that took into account the fact that warming tyres is an issue and the torque monster didn't turn out to be quite as terrifying as even drivers and engineers feared.

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Without the fuel flow limit there's nothing restricting the engine power. We could be back to cars with double the horsepower on a Saturday than they have on a Sunday.

The fuel and tyre situation means a variation in performance. Having the car just go "flat out" for the whole race means whoever has the fastest car will always start first and stay there, especially if you're going to eliminate pitstops by having tyres that don't degrade.

Despite the doomsayers, fuel hasn't actually made a great deal of difference this year. And if it wasn't for what happened to Ricciardo in Australia, all the people going on about the fuel flow limit would probably have never been aware of it.

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@KC

I make no claims of expertise, but people who do know about such things - the technical bods - are quite adamant. Lifting the restriction on fuel flow would definitely lead to an engine arms race. Particularly in quali' trim.

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His main complaint actually seemed to be the tyres from what I read in the larger BBC report. He wants softer tyres. Time to start bashing Pirelli again... 🙂

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And there was Paul Hembrey thinking "Thank god this year I've got a relatively easy time of it........"

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kenneth chapman

@ auraF1....yes, he did emphasise the tyres and what he sees as restrictions in being able to 'push' the car further.

we all know that alonso is a racer in the best possible sense and we do need to take on board what his analysis is, after all he is the guy out there on the track and i'm the guy sitting in my soho, not having to perform every two weeks for an audience of millions, putting everything i do and say under the microscope.

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Hard to believe that Fernando will win his third title someday. He used all his luck in 2005 and 2006.

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The F1 gods let Singapore 2008 live long in the memory it seems. Now that was a lucky race....!!! Couldn't have been more lucky if you planned it.

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Lets put it this way: he had a very fast car those years, and very good reliability, and he was driving very well.

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And he was very lucky. Without Kimi's and Schumi's problems with their car Alonso wouldn't have won championships at all. He is very lucky double champion.

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Sometimes you need luck to win a championship. Luck is part of the game. However luck usually evens itself out over the whole career of a driver, so that in the end comparisons of achievements are valid.

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Given that the cars are slower and require less physical endurance I think he can easily race for 4-5 more years, especially when the mental side of competing is so important and he's always excelled at that. His ability to get 100% out of the car and see how a race is unfolding is simply incredible and it would be a shame if Ferrari can't give him a car capable of another title, because he definitely deserves it.

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Richard Ellis

Alonso is the most complete driver on the f1 grid in my opinion. He reminds me of Ayrton Senna at times with his first lap charges, relentless race pace and his ability to pull results out of nothing. I hope he finds himself in a car capable of challenging for the world title again because he deserves at least another F1 title.

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He's a dreadful qualifier. And you can bet your bottom dollar that wherever he qualifies (somewhere between fifth and tenth?), he'll say he drove his best lap ever and he's chuffed to bits with the result, ie. it ain't me, it's the car that's rubbish at qualifying.

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@ richard ellis, agree with your comments however i would simply say that no one actually' deserves' a title.

you could say that every driver on the grid 'deserves' a title. if you fully understand F1 the you will know that in order to achieve a title it takes an infinite number of events to come together, mostly at random.

i am not saying that you do not understand the broader concepts so no offence but F1 is subject to the laws of chaos theory as much as anything else. we all just go along for the ride....i think,

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My sentiments exactly.

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Of course there are a number of 'events', or things that need to come together in order to achieve WDCs. However, not all are random and it does require hard work.

For one, team members. MSc was part of the dream team of Ross Brawn (whom he got from Benetton), Bryne and Todt together. From some programme I watched, I understood that the group of them worked tirelessly at Maranello on finding out how to improve the car, the team operation, etc etc. There's a famous restaurant which they dine at near the factory where it has displays of all MSc's and great Ferrar drivers' gears. That's the place where they spend evenings to work on things back then.

With Senna we all know his talents, but that's only part of the equation to his success. I recall watching on TV with a driver (cant remmeber who) saying that one race weekend Senna was sick, but he'd still come in just to listen to his teammates' feedback and see if he could trust it, and from there he'd work on his approach to his race. That's him working despite not feeling well and that's work away from track that drivers have to do.

The only random things are things happen on track, like weather, some gormless driver crashing about or whatever. Other things, drivers can have a great input in and make things happen for themselves. Of course there can only be so much they can do as we can see from Alonso, the rest they can only do their best and see how things fall into place.

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The4 difference between Senna and Alonso is that the former actually had good qualifying speed.

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So destroying Kimi or Massa in qualifying does not make you a good qualifier, because Kimi and Massa are not strong qualifier? Then destroying Prost did not make Senna a good qualifier, because Prost himself was not a strong qualifier? And destroying Button did not make Hamilton a good qualifier neither, as Button is not a strong qualifier?

Why is Hamilton a good qualifier? Because we can compare him to drivers with the same car. For example he destroyed Button. Not because the number of poles, which depends on car performance.

By exactly the same comparison game, if you do your homework you will conclude that Alonso is at least as good in qualifying as Hamilton, judging by a comparison to drivers with the same car. You even have a direct comparison between HAM and ALO with the same car... So common, let's stop this nonsense of Alonso not being a good qualifier.

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I'm not sure it is viable to say Lewis destroyed Jenson - in 2011 Lewis was taken to the cleaners by Jenson.

The Frome Flyer is still the only driver - the only driver! - who has out-pointed and out-driven Lewis over a full season. Not bad for a driver who was supposedly destroyed!

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... Well, that and Alonso not being the arrogant self-obsessed oaf that Senna was. Have we forgotten antics with Prost? ...

... and that, at the peak of his career, Senna was in the team with the best cars.

There is no denying that Ferrari have provided poor cars recently.

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But made more mistakes. And well, Ayrton is the best qualy driver F1 has ever seen, and Fernando is really good at it, just that he is even better in the race.

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sENNA WAS INDEED A mega qualifier!

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Or maybe you want to know his record against Felipe Massa (you will struggle to find a similar record in qualifying between teammates in the history of the sport)? Maybe his 8-9 head to head against Hamilton ("the fastest driver since Senna" according to most people here) at McLaren, in his worse year to date in F1?

Funnyly enough, Martin Whitmarsh said last year that the fastest driver over one lap he had ever saw was Mikka Hackinen, and not Ayrton Senna. Just as a curiosity.

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Yes I remember when Hakkinen came to Mclaren he outqualified Senna immediately. However Whitmarsh never worked with the driver who is holding the pole position record, so he cannot say who's the fastest from his own experience. Regarding Felipe, nobody can say how much speed he lost after being hit by a spring from his country mate's car, it's a bit of an unknown matter regarding his post accident qualifying speed..

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"(“the fastest driver since Senna” according to most people here)"

Just because a majority agree on something doesn't make it correct.

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One of the reasons why MW was kicked, probably.

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Agree with Whitmarsh, and Senna didn't like Hakkinen when he out-qualified him.

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Was it not 10-7 in favour of Hamilton, and 6-2 in poles to Hamilton, he may have improved since his first year in F1 also, most do.

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Actually, since Senna there has not been such a difference between very top drivers in Monaco qualifying: Alo 7 tenths to Kimi, Senna 1 sec to Prost. More impressive Alonso's and Kimi's lap time difference than Senna's and Prost's, as the differences in modern F1 are much smaller thanthose back at Senna's time.

Alonso's lack of qualifying speed... oh God. I hope he is paired with Vettel soon... Until now, Alonso's qualifying performance this year:

1) Australia: No measurable difference to Kimi, as he didn't get to Q3.

2) Malaysia: Something like 8 tenths in the rain, with a complete reset in the front suspension settings. It meant he did the lap with a completely balanced steering whee, which was super hard to turn right, but super easy to turn left. To understand how amazing this performance was, just think about Kimi's steering issues in 2012 that made him look awfull compared to Grosjean, and which he needed 5 or 6 races to get on top of...

3) Bahrein: meaningless time difference to Kimi as Alonso had engine power issues.

4) China: 1 sec faster than Kimi under the rain...

5) Spain: something like 1 hundred slower than Kimi

6) Monaco: 7 tenths faster than Kimi in dry conditions. Biggest difference between top drivers in the same car in modern F1 around Monaco...

7) Canada: want to bet?

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Go back to 05 season and see the difference btw Kimi and Alonso in terms of speed

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Why shall I bet? It is a well known fact that Kimi is not a strong qualifier. Therefore outqualifying Kimi does not make Alonso a good qualifier.

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@ Yago

If you recall, Alonso had 7 tenths on Kimi at Monaco because Alonso was ahead of Rosberg and so got a second lap in whilst Kimi got caught out by the yellow flags.

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*unbalanced

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Alonso had very good qualifying speed in his early days. In fact, even into his 30's he's faster on 1 lap than most of the grid. Very few drivers maintain that 1 lap pace once they enter their late 20's/early 30's.

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Alonso's problem is, though, there are younger guys on the grid who have more qualifying pace, Vettel and Hamilton being the prime examples. In F1, by starting further behind, drivers with slower qualifying speed are disadvantaged from the start. And that's a big disadvantage for the Ferrari team when compared to Mercedes and Red Bull.

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It is not a problem of how long you can

keep this level, it’s a problem of how much fun I will have driving those cars in the future

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I believe this is the problem Alonso has.

For elite athletes, without success psychologically the fun in doing an activity gets drained which in turn affects someone's form over time.

So I can see a parallel universe were Alonso loved the 2014 cars and tyres (just as much as he loved the 2013 tyres) if he was winning races.

Now, ever since Alonso turned down the Red Bull drive in 2007, this makes one wonder if really the F1 gods want him to bag another title.

Add to that, Alonso's weakness has always been qualifying and ever since the sport saw an influx of speed merchants enter the sport in 2007 (in the form of Vettel and Lewis), Alonso has never had things go his way since for as always pole makes life that bit easier.

Anyway, this news about Alonso's plans is good news for the sport for this means we will have a competitive grid for many years to come.

The only danger is the longer Alonso stays in the sport, the more the likelihood, some new kid on the block will come and strip bragging rights off

him by beating him.

Regards the problem with Luca, it would appear the team have made up for there is no question, Luca was upset with Alonso last year for if it wasn't so, the team would have kept Massa just as Alonso had wanted.

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I've read many times that Alonso's weakness has always been qualifying, may I ask on what is this assumption based?

Massa and Raikkonen have always been regarded as great in qualifying, yet the comparison when in the same car favours Alonso.

Take 2007, who did better at qualifying, Alonso or Hamilton? The truth is that it depended on who had the extra lap.

James, what do you think of this?

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Kimi great in qualifying? No! Kimi since his return and on pirelli tires is a poor qualifier. It is also pointless to compare the qualifying between Alonso and Hamilton from a completely different era of F1. It is no longer sprint racing on Bridgestone tires. Alonso now clearly directs his setup for race pace rather than one lap pace

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Finally somebody with common sense in the matter. Thanks. I can tell you James compared Alonso's qualifying performances to Kimi's when asked about the two last year. I told him he was mistaken, and that Alonso was a better qualifyer than Kimi. This year it is going to be clear for those who got this wrong.

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@ Yago

The thing that distorts Alonso and Massa's qualifying stats is the difficult Ferrari cars.

As everybody knows Alonso can drag a difficult car and thus would usually end up out qualifying Massa.

But once the car was competitive, this is when you would see Massa's speed.

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Maybe not a fair comparison against the rookie Hamilton but 6 poles for Hamilton and 2 for Alonso, if you take Hungary away from Hamilton where he was stopped from completing his final run by Alonso who gained pole as a result but was then penalised for stopping Hamilton competing you could argue 5 to 3 but Hamilton is fast around Hungary and May have got pole anyway as before the final runs he was ahead of Alonso. I think in overall qualifying it was 10-7 to Hamilton.

Maybe someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

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10-7 if counting Hungary. But 9-8 in actual positions.

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Alonso's qualifying weakness is clearly evident in the facts.

His record of poles against Hamilton does not lie.

Alonso: 223 races - 22 poles

Hamilton: 135 races - 35 poles

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See my post above, and you will understand that comparing qualifying speed with pole positions is not accurate... As if all the drivers were driving equal cars...

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@ Al (21prods)

As on what I base my assumption on, you just have to look at 2013 as an example when Massa beat Alonso in qualifying and as we know Massa isn't an F1 ace.

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Oh God. As a man who loves statistics, it is really odd you didn't look at it. Qualifying head to head:

ALO 58-18 MAS (during 4 years together) 76.3 % for ALO

HAM 43-14 BUT (3 years together) 75.4 % for HAM

VET 70-23 WEB (5 years together) 75.3 % for VET

If we assume MAS, BUT and WEB are equal, ALO not only is not slow in quali, but the fastest of all. But the thing is that MAS, BUT and WEB are not equal. Actually, probably the fastest of the three over a lap is MAS (which does not mean the best racer, which is probably Button).

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@ Al (21prods)

But if you recall in 2007, it was during the re-fueling era and with Lewis being the number 2 driver, he tended to carry more fuel.

Kimi isn't as fast as he used to be at Mclaren and hence why he isn't putting that much of a fight.

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No Goferet, Lewis was not carrying more fuel than Alonso overall. You are wrong. But actually Alonso only got 1 extra lap that year (perhaps none, I am not completely sure he even got one), all the rest were for Hamilton. Regarding Kimi, he isn't as fast as he used to be in McLaren? And in 2007, he wasn't also as fast as in 2006 at McLaren? What about Massa, was he not as fast in 2010-2013 as in 2006-2008? Speculation...

Who has told you Alonso is not fast in qualifying? Because you put it as a basis for your argumentations as if it was a given.

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That year there wasn't any number two... 😉 though I must agree with you, perhaps there was a clear number two.

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Hungary 2007: no extra lap, used hard tyres and pole for Fernando Alonso. In fact, that pole made him lose the championship. Only Trully (one of the fastest men in qualifying of his generation) can be considered faster than 

Fernando, but it was because Fernando used to drive a fuel tank on Saturday in order to pit later in the race.

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And what about Mónaco 2014? Fernando has always been fast in qualifying though he can even improve it in the race, where he can do what nobody else. He is really smart but incredible fast too.

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Agree with your post, but there is one major weakness.........

I would say Nando's weak spot is that he is insecure. We saw that early-mid season 2004 against the Trulli Train, 2007 of course and even to a lesser extent last year when he almost, but not quite, had a verbal punch up with his employees.

I get the impression if Mr Alonso feels that his team are not pulling exclusively in his direction, or lacking in any direction for that matter, be can become quite moody. Dare I say it, even petulant. Yes, he can be.

Fernando is a fast, fearless, incredibly consistent and unrelenting competitor, but the way he wears his heart on his sleeve and the intensity of his personality can be incredibly difficult to live with, and very draining and tiring too, sometimes to the detriment of his team.

Ask Ron Dennis.

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@ Gaz Boy

I guess it's an authority thing with Alonso.

If he feels the whole team (including number 2 drivers) aren't pulling for him then his authority as the number 1 gets undermined both in the team and in the press.

And yes Alonso has the Latin fire temperament and that's what makes him fun i.e. Not a cooperate robot.

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Didn't he say during one his WDC years that the team "didn't want him to win"

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Alonso is certainly a driver who should have one more titles - he has been among the top 3 (or even 1) for several years. History has shown that it is not always the best drivers who win the titles, but those who find the best package each year. How many titles would Alonso have won if he were in a Red Bull for the last 4 years? In my opinion, it is an exception when a driver wins the title not in the best car (e.g. Raikkonen'07, Schumacher'94-95).

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Just hope Ferrari won't push him into retirement like how they did to MSc before Fernando gets his 3rd title.

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Unfortunately, I fear exactly that. Although they may employ him again later, like Kimi if they run out of options and Vettel/Hamilton decline the drive.

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As I gaze into my crystal ball I see a long, frustrating career for Fernando.

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Seeing in hindsight that he's already had that, I'd suggest your crystal ball may be a little past its Best Before date...

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The drivers don't like it and TV audiences have been falling after 2008.

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So, we're going to have another old man in F1 if he stays at Ferrari....

🙂

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Ferrari will not be ready to win in the next 4-5 years... I think Newey...if he joins...might join 2 years from now...then he will need a couple of years to change the team....Alonso can be 40 by then.

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The Spanish Inquisitor

Very, very, very, very difficult, Fernando....

Always with Fernando...

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Well he will need a good team to make that happen

& Ferrari are still too set on their ways regarding team dynamics. New enginerring , technical staff & management is the way forward. I reckon he will be at Mclaren/Honda or if Vettel goes to Ferrari at Red Bull for a season.

Ferrari have a new factory built for F1 but a building works if it has new blood along side some old blood. The last five years have shown they are trying to climb upwards but their climb is halted as the pole of success has been re-greased to failure before the start of the season.

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RBR will promote Kvyat if Vettel leaves. They will not employ Alonso. They don't need Santander money either. They will always hire drivers from their own development department, as long as it works.

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Santander red don't really go with Red Bull blue, does it? 😉

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Not really, no, justafan.

In the last decade Mercedes has always wanted to buy the McLaren team, only for McLaren to strongly resist it. So McLaren only liked the Mercedes colour to the extent of applying the silver colour scheme to their cars and that's where it ends.

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Isn't money colour independent?

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Kyvat is not as talented as their previous drivers . Plus nobody's mentioning sponsors as they self sponsor. Far better young talented drivers than Kyvat.

Red Bull will choose someone else from their driver youth programme. Kyvat is not on a parr with Daniel. Too early for him to even be mrntioned for a priemer drive.

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I really think if Ferrari get it together for next year (as we were promised for 2011. Then 2012. And then 2013. Then 2014), then it can be done! Good luck Fernando!

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Of all the current drivers on the grid Alonso is the man I would most love to see win another championship.

He needs to leave Ferrari and get into a competitive car though for that to happen.

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Schumi showed you can win in a Ferrari. You just have to be a team player and not throw your team under the bus when times get hard.

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And, as we all know, the ONLY thing that has changed at Ferrari since the Schumi days is the driver. Therefore your comment draws a very clear and fair comparison between then an now.

I'm sure Brawn, Byrne, Todt, and totally different regulations had absolutely nothing to do with it at all 😉

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Schumi also had much better cars during his career than Alonso had, relative to their times at Ferrari. Schumacher also had unlimited testing which allowed Ferrari to develop their cars significantly. Schumacher may have been a better 'team player' but there's no need to let you dislike for Alonso get in the way of the facts, which are that Alonso has never been given the best equipment (or even 2nd best) since his time at Ferrari.

And I say that as a huge Schumacher fan.

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I don't have any dislike for Alonso. However I will always try to disprove Alonso myths that his bandwagoneers post on the internet. And I never was a huge Schumacher fan either. His self-imposed arrogance was topped by Senna and Prost only. I'm not gonna list all the crazy things Senna did on and off the track, though. You can go to youtube and watch the stuff there.

However the main difference between Schumacher and Alonso is that Schumacher put Ferrari on top for 6 years. Something Alonso has not done. Yet. But since Alonso's career is still in progress, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and watch if he can still do it.

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I don't think many would begrudge him a third. But, the car is the differentiator. He needs a good car. Allison is making the right noises, but the recent chase for Newey must have irked. Both highly creative, aero specialists. Why court Newey when you have Allison? I hope Ferrari are brave enough to embrace the change in structure that allows the Scuderia to be ring-fenced from the wider corporate body. The hiring of Matiacci is either a stroke of genius - bringing in a corporate insider to help secure senior management buy-in, or its a conservative choice designed to protect existing corporate relationships. If the latter is true, success may be a long way off for Fernando Alonso.

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What are your feelings by the way on a WDC leaving the grid and taking the #1 off the grid for a year?

I assume that is what Alonso would do here, right?

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If I understand what you are suggesting - Alonso wins his third WDC and immediately retires with the #1 due to be on his car the following season - then it wouldn't bother me at all. It's happened a couple of times that I can think of; Mansell huffing off to the States and Prost chickening out of the battle with Senna. Also, and I stand to be corrected, Rossi never took the #1 in Moto GP and always stuck with his #46.

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Comical

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I'm a massive Schumi fan, but there was a small part of me that was happy he didn't walk away with the WDC in 2006 and taken the #1 off the grid. It would have hurt F1 and I don't like a Champion not defending. That's why I'm a bit irritated with Vettel coming to terms with this car and Renault issues.

Anyhow, I always had a little conspiracy theory that Schumi blew the engine on purpose in Japaan as to not walk away with it into retirement. Schumi fans knew that if not for the engine he would be WDC 8th time, but F1 at that time couldn't have him retire and on top retire as champion and leave Alonso, a 1X champion on the grid. It would have made the grid look sub-par. That hend of was needed and I though perhaps engineered. I felt this way because he was just too mentally prepared to not let the DNF impact him. He just walked into the garage and thanked the guys as if he had a lot of time to come to terms with it, as if perhaps he knew for a while. But that's just one of my silly conspiracy theories.

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Haha, Martin Brundle jinxed him that day. He kept mentioning Ferrari/Schumi hadn't had a DNF since 2001.

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Not to be rude but I think I will put that one with your Lewis breaks his car theories. I'm not sure if you really think Lewis breaks his car but you don't seem to accuse Vettel of the same, for the record I don't think either are, it's just bad fortune. I don't think Schumacher blew his engine on purpose, any more than your previous claim Lewis broke his in Aus. Schumacher would have loved another title, he was a ruthless winner who gave nothing for free to any rival. He had unrivalled reliability at Ferrari so perhaps could accept this failure more easily as a result, and the win as a team,lose as a team attitude in defeat did him no harm. If Alonso had broke down in the final race I'm sure he would have celebrated the title as hard as the others, despite saying he did not want to win that way.

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He thinks having 3 titles puts him in an elite class but he still wont be 'equal' to Sebastian Vettel on 4 nor will it put him equal with the "professor" Prost on 4.Its all academic really once you have 1 wdc, isnt it ? because even with 7 michael schumacher is not considered better than Senna on 3.

Besides 2005 Kimi Raikkonen was easily the best driver in the world with 7 wins from 15 races. He lost that title Only through a very unreliable car. Fernando won that with a car that finished.

In essence to me Fernando is only a single WDC anyway but I do give him 10/10 for determination and wanting more. After this year we have a very strong Mercedes team - Both Hamilton and Rosberg for next year. Then you have Bianci, Kvyat who are def WC potential and maybe one or 2 others including Vettel who will find form again- sooner rather than later. So unless Fernando is in a certain top 1 or 2 car he will struggle. I think Ferrari will be much better by next year but doubt it will be a match for Mercedes and maybe still Red Bull.

These next 5 months are really interesting in many ways. Maybe Fernando will change his mind when he keeps seeing a no.7 Ferrari in front of him at most races & a Finn whos happy to say hes retiring with 'only' 1 WDC.

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In your world maybe, however in the real world Fernando is not a single WDC. He's a double Champ. Fact. To finish first, first you have to finish.

Why people always try to belittle the man is a mystery to me.

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"Why people always try to belittle the man is a mystery to me."

Why do people strive so hard to defend him?

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@justafan

Of course, to all of them though?

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Give credit where credit is due. That's my credo.

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Fernando "150%" Alonso

2005 + Raikkonen + Nurburgring = stupid! why to waste a second place in that race? So your argument with that year, is 0!

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That was a very marginal call and he lost several lead positions because of mechanical failure that year- Not just one race.. & Your rather pointless argument is ??!

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Second place? I thought he thew away a win through a driver error. It happens.

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That was just one race. And also a marginal call, they were only one lap from getting home and would have won the race. Look at Alonso last year in Malaysia.

So many races in 2005 Kimi broke down in the lead or had to change his engine in quali and start 11th

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The title is rightly the motivator for Alonso. One would presume it is for all of them but in Kimi's case who can tell? We observers can step back and, to our individual satisfaction, decipher the merits of drivers' careers. As we must, since the WDC is a fickle mistress. Those who revere Alonso's performances can live with the knowledge that, if not the best of his time, then at least there was none better over that same period.

Relieving Alonso of his 2005 title because he brought it home? Shaky logic there. And then celebrating Kimi's 2007 gift from Massa, Alonso and Hamilton? Okay, if that works for you ...

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Kimi Raikkonen was gifted the 2007 championship yes, but after performing consistently to earn the right to be gifted.

Yes it was gifted just like Schumi was gifted the 2003 WDC with Kimi's crappy luck. Stop talking about 2005. 2003 should have been Kimi's year. He would have beaten Schumacher at his game!

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Firstly, Whilst Im happy Kimi won 2007 he rightly deserved.I have never, ever revered or celebrated it like he was a dead ringer for 2003 & 2005. So please get your facts right. Im certainly not one of those people who thrives on the result in F1 because so much comes down to so many things outside the drivers hands- the above are the most (im)perfect egs. People forget this a guy that was 2 sec faster than everyone at Spa and a half sec at Monaco.

Im staggered people here lived through those years and cannot see he was a certain champion but for the worst mechanical failures for many years. Maybe the reason the moderator has no issues in this regard is because James recalls nearly being made hoarse from amazement at Kimis speed in 2005 & the fact that everything I said about Kimis return in 2012 was spot on. Along with picking things like Mclarens internal issues & even the failed MP4-28 & Hamiltons move to Mercedes well before most.

I used to watch many racing categories live and could quite often pick laps times to less than 1/2 sec without even looking at the stop watch. I see the finer details of what a driver does in a car and have always been able to see that Raikkonen is someone who does what others cant. I do understand his short comings and I sometimes get annoyed by his lack of public feedback - but then Im not living the lime light every day! and I would take his understated honest approach to everything ahead of the all the nonsense others come up with in F1.

Finally sackboyf1, Im a he not a she- not that that should matter here. I would agree that Fernando is amongst the best of his time but what I dont want to see is everyone believing his bs when he has had every advantage thrown his way- broken gearbox seals to gain advantage on grid, first call of new parts, unequivocal No1 status, and still he has to talk himself up even in the few times he has been out driven by his team mate ( last few of 2012 and even this year Barc/ Monaco) - makes you question his integrity- along with Crashgate 2008 & Mclaren blackmail 2007.

I really hope he doesnt retire now because I want to see good drivers in F1, but more than anything else I want to see him humbled before he goes.

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Your points are entirely valid Neil, and far more well thought out. That's just Elie, she is the resident crazy on here. She goes around screaming about how amazing Kimi is, while bashing others who disagree whenever she can, apparently immune from any moderator here who will gladly pick on others. Who knows if this warning will even make it through to you. If so, save your logic and reasoning for the actual legitimately sound and sane fans.

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She?

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I don't think the 3 titles is to do with anything about what people will say, I think it's just a personal goal he's had to match Senna since his early days. Lewis has said before he wants 3 to match Senna. Different people have different measures of success. Button and Kimi would probably be happy men retiring with 1 WDC to their names - I'm sure they'd love more but they would be satisfied. I think Lewis and Fernando would be crushed and bitter if they left with less than 3 x WDC. As for Vettel he's made it clear he loves stats and records - like his hero Schumacher - I think he is less concerned with being a 'peoples' champion and wants the history books to record his greatness in numbers by having at least 8 WDC...

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+1

Kinda speaks volume about MSc's 7 isn't really as worthy as Senna's 3 then.

Had Senna lived on, MSc most probably would've had less than 7 and Senna would've had 5 or 6.

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Very possible but it's all academic - championships have been won and lost on a gearbox blowing up or touching a kerb in the wet - so it's impossible to know. We also have to remember that Senna wasn't a youngster - given how everyone goes on about racers losing it past their mid 30s -senna would presumably have been too old? (Personally I disagree with this age theory but that's the common wisdom I guess).

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i agree with alonso's sentiments about the current cars. i'm glad he has spoken out.

the corner speeds of the current cars are woeful.

the engines are too complicated and take too long to fix. we now see drivers failing to even get to the starting grid.

tv audiences are dropping badly. f1 needs to man-up and admit that its current direction is ill conceived and unpopular. i blame the car manufacturers.

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Hi, do you have some viewing figures to show the fall in numbers or a link to an article I could read. Thanks

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here's a link on viewing stats

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/489514/Pirelli_may_speed_up_their_8216boring8217_2014_tyres/

there is a good article in the guardian that explains how the figures are measured.

f1 isn't great on picking up viewers on cross media platforms.

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would love to see "Samurai" take a 3rd title - especially if its made extra special by being at Ferrari.

Sadly, i doubt Alonso will get his 3rd at the Prancing Horse and he might well have to knock at either Mclaren or Mercedes to get it...at 33 he's just peaking if one looks at the history of drivers like Senna, Schuey et al...so all he needs is the right car...

on another note - Kyalami up for sale - no reserve auction on 27th July 2014. Please, some wealthy European or American or Asian racing fan...save up and buy it and turn it into the classic it once was...i fear it's set to be dug up/levelled and turned into yet another cluster home/bussiness park development, leaving SA with no premier racing venue...

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2, 3 or whatever I think you are by far the best driver of our time. Even considering you stepped so many important people around F1 you are the real deal, tireless fighter of the grid, the man to beat year after year it doesn't matter the car you have. You need to be again the "unfriendly" & the "evil" guy of Media Lobby and FIA punishments and FOM continuos replays, that would be the best signal: the king has come back.

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Will need to move to a more competitive team to achieve that.

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What? He's in the most successful team of the last 15 years!!!

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What's that got to with their current level of competitiveness?

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@justafan

But just because they were successful is no guarantee for future success.

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It means Ferrari got the necessary ingredients for success, they need a driver who can lead the team and deliver when under pressure in qualifying. A driver like Schumacher used to be.

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The best of the lot!

Good luck, Fernando, and

hopefully many more.

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Well said,one can't stop admire the man.

In the style of a true grit in uncompetitive an unbeatable in competitive car.

I truly believe he will achieve his aim if not this year but certainly in 2015 and in Ferrari to,there is simply to much resources and talent in Maranello,Allison is equal if not better then any of his peers and Marmorini builts a bullet proof engines.

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Karma keeps Alonso from winning another title. It won't end well with Ferrari, either. Everyone goes on about his ability, but I think he's poison to a team.<