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Posted By: James Allen  |  09 Jun 2014   |  2:48 am GMT  |  161 comments

Felipe Massa was released from Sacre Coeur hospital following precautionary checks after his 180mph accident with Sergio Perez, which sent the Brazilian into the barriers in a 32g impact.

And after leaving he described the man with whom he collided as “dangerous”.

Massa was making up lost ground after a slow first stop had cost him track positions; he was ahead of eventual winner Daniel Ricciardo in the opening stint. On the final lap, he went to pass Perez on the inside into Turn 1; Perez was suffering with issues on the ERS and with braking, as well as nursing tyres that were 36 laps old.

Perez came across to the left slightly and his left rear wheel tagged Massa’s front right, sending both spinning into the barriers.

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“We are doing around 300km/h there. With another car in front (Sebastian Vettel’s) it could have been a very serious accident.

“We’ve had the rules for a few years that when one car is up the side the other cannot move anymore. He just moved and we touched.

“It’s dangerous. For me five places is not enough. He was dangerous. We could have crashed into Vettel.”I talked to him at the medical centre. I was so disappointed with him.

“I said that he needs to learn. I wanted him to put himself in my place, because I had a huge crash and honestly I thought it was going to hurt.

“It’s not the first time that he turned into somebody under braking. He did this many times. He didn’t say anything, he just turned and left. I hope he learns.

Vettel, who was third on the road ahead of the Perez/Massa battle, said he saw a white flash as Massa’s car passed a few metres in front of him. The German was extremely fortunate not to have been side swiped by Massa’s out of control car travelling at over 150mph.

“Into Turn One I saw they were very close to each other and I saw something white coming in the mirror and at the last second I reacted and opened the car, basically turned right and Felipe was in the air flying past, ” said Vettel. “Kind of surreal but quite lucky that he didn’t hit me in that instance and I saw him just in time.”

Perez issued a robust denial on Monday,

“It was very disappointing to lose such a strong result through no fault of our own. I was following the same line and braking patterns as in the previous laps and I just got hit from behind by Massa. There was plenty of space on the left of my car to attempt a clean overtake and I cannot understand why he had to scrape by.

“I watched several replays of the incident and I can’t help but notice how Felipe turns right just before he hits me. I can only think he must have changed his mind and wanted to rejoin the racing line, his misjudgement cost us a big amount of points.

“Also, I’m not happy about comments saying we should have retired the car. It was perfectly driveable with just some adjustments and we showed it up until the moment in which we were taken out. Other cars out there had been in similar conditions for way longer than us and they finished the race without problems.

“If someone thinks you can keep two Red Bulls behind for as long as we did with so-called ‘terminal’ problems, they are clearly misguided.”

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I think force india have had the chance to look at the evidence properly and now feel confident in presenting to the stewards.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27928346

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Well having watched the various replays, imho, I would still put it as a racing incident. Massa ran into the back of Perez’ car taking a shot at the position. It was an ambitious move on Massa’s part, but good for him for having a go at the beginning of the last lap. However, they both paid the price, i.e. horrifying accident and no points. I think the penalty was harsh on Perez in this case. Also, Williams should have known that Perez was having brake issues since the radio transmissions are available, and he was trying to sort out the balance. Massa’s engineer should have warned Massa to be careful about passing Perez.

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Hope this image helps ppl see better what happened

http://imgur.com/WRTu05L

Also this new layout… can’t tell what the hell is supposed to be actual news and whats not.. As if designed to make PC users close it and move on the next site instantly

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the stewards are bullies.

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I’m sorry, James, but i feel the old layout of the website was simpler, faster and easier to navigate.

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very well placed jk.

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looked like a racing incident to me. Perez had brake problems. Massa radioed to the pitwall just before the incident saying he had no brakes. With Perez slowing in front of Massa, knowing he had a problem staying out of the way would be a priority. Massa was well aware of his own lack of brakes. Could be he lost them on the straight and did not yet know it, till he binned it. Luckily neither driver were injured. So the question needs to be addrssed as to this years formula. Is it too complex? I feel the FIA , particulary Todt, would have the experience to realize the cost and myriad of problems the teams would face. The millions spent on development. Then to make matters worse, not enough testing. THere should have been no penalties, except to the FIA for providing an ugly, awful sounding “power unit”.

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I don’t know why Perez was penalised, he definitely was 50% at fault but Massa is always making stupid decisions under pressure. He used to get very close to Alonso at starts and I think on a couple of occasions were it not for Alonso’s awareness it would have been a collision of Ferrari team mates. This was a racing incident between two drivers who have never been able to trade with another driver fairly at top speed on any regular basis. It’s inevitable that they collide.

The real tragedy is that Williams have two average drivers at best. Bottas is doing a decent job but were it Alonso I think we’d have a clear 2nd team. Williams are underperforming time and time again, they can’t even get pit stops right. I’m not sure if this shows how tight competition is nowadays or how weak competition was back when Williams were winning.

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What happent at perez facebook page for the Poll Of The Week.The question was (who was to blame for the canandian gp accident).Perez was to blame 66% and massa 24%.Then the question changed to who was the most outstanding driver of the canandian gp.

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Carlos Marques

I can just see Maldonado reading this thread and going “Phew, at least THAT one wasn’t my fault!”

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So Massa is completely correct?

He had 3 car width on the left side of the road that he could use, yet to kept his steering straight ahead and didn’t even judge the spacing between him and the car he tries to overtake.

Perez never moved to the left, he kept his steering straight as the onboard showed.

I’m not sure anyone needs to check their heads but perhaps you should check some facts first.

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massa was at fault. I have seen a few of the overhead illustrations of perez moving off line.

firstly the whole sequence is less than half a second

secondly both massa and perez were closing on vettel and they both moved off line.

massa smashed into perez for no reason other than he lost control of his car. he must have been acceleratin when he should have been braking.

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It was a close shave for the Brazilian

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Hi James and scuderia “onf1”,

Congrats on updating the site, but I agree it’s still Jerez…it needs better contrast, all is so white

Regarding Perez vs Massa, i would love to read Mark G comments.

I can see Checo has a history but in 2014 and prior to this race, it seems nobody was contradicting FI’s Praises about his good racing on sundays (while asking better quali times). He was doing pretty well alongside very highly regarded Hulk. (and i think bouncing back the way he is doing after a desapointing year and being tossed away by MCL is pretty commandable)

I also would appreciate steward to release the “data” and their analysis of it. “You have to trust steward’s ruling” is just not good enough for me :

Just for this race, Nico Rosberg not getting a penalty can be argued (for the flat out chicane). I know my playstation stewards would give me one !!!!!

Regarding Massa, i think he is mostly upset with himself because he lost a podium or even a win opportunity. But he did not lose it to Checo…he lost it way before. I am not expert enough to see if most of it was due the pit stop or bad strategy.

But I have a feeling ALonso or Lewis wouls have won this race driving that Williams. What’s the feeling in the paddock ?

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absolutely right you are, darth_patate, perez held off both red bulls from lap 49 massa had a chance to pass vettel on lap 54 and by lap 70, he still hadn’t made a single pass. the only time he tried, he crashed into the back of perez and started to display that horrible side of his personality. he should step out and enjoy the millions he accumulated over the years. i don’t want to see him hurt.

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I’ll admit, when it happened live I thought it was Massa’s fault, but after watching many replays it looks like Perez did move left.

“stewards judged that Perez had changed his racing line which caused the impact with Massa.”

However, a 5 place grid penalty is nowhere near enough punishment for the seriousness of such an incident, I would almost liken it to the Grosjean crash in Spa.

I think a one race ban would of have been far more appropriate.

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Perez eas clearly at fault and is a danger to himself and others. Quite how anyone can claim otherwise is baffling, and anyone doing so needs their head checking out. Just like Perez.

Disgraceful.

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What ,so 100 or more of us here alone need our head read but not you..There will be a man with a nice white jacket coming round any minute now..just smile hes just trying to keep you warm

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Anyone who disagrees with you is wrong?

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my read after also watching this link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0PuSoufowQ

1. perez break slightly earlier

2. perez does not turn the steering wheel left but keep going straight while the road turn slightly right. possibly to compensate for point 1and protect position (all inside the rules so far)

3. massa does not seam to notice neither 1 and 2 and turn the steering wheel to the right like preparing for a normal track position on turn 1.

4. massa speed is way to high anyway. at least this is what it looks like from all the videos

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massa lost control of his car. he goes left, then right under acceleration into perez.

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The off board footage I saw shows Perez clearly moving to the left, if you compare his line with Seb’s it is very different. Checo was also braking earlier than normal due to his problems, I think maybe Felipe was a bit optimistic trying the inside line but clearly Perez moved across and shouldn’t have done, it was too late to start defending.

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Firstly, there is no rule that can punish people if they deviate from a “Seb” line. So we should stop talking about Apples and carrots when we are not even taking about potatoes.

Secondly, Perez never changed his line. He was driving on straight, taking a different line, and maybe off the preferred racing line, even though the track turns gently to the right before T1. But again, this is no crime.

The only crime is, massa failed to avoid the car in front.

It was massa with a huge speed differential. It was massa who could have avoided the contact.

Massa did not have to be there. Perez was ahead, he could choose to be wherever he wanted, as long there was no weaving, change of line twice to defend, or abrupt change of direction that cause incidents or any driving manner that puts others in danger.

IF someone is driving towards your side of the track to crowd you out, or in another word blocking in order to defend the position from an overtake maneuver, they are entitled to do so. But not change the line twice. So what the initiator of the maneuver, being massa, needed to do was go around the outside and overtake by steering more to the left (Perez left plenty of space on the left of massa), or slow down and go to the right of Perez from behind, diving in on the inside of the gentle curve leading Yuri up to T1.

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I reviewed the video feed, and I can’t see that Perez did anything wrong.

Context:

Like many people, I was excited about the prospect of a non-Mercedes driver winning this race; with Massa leading, I thought that he could pull it off, and I was hoping that he would. When he went in for new tires, I didn’t think he’d be able to do it, but when he came out, his track position was good, and with the pace and fresh rubber, he looked like he should have been able to get by Rosberg, if he’d created the opportunity.

But he didn’t.

Massa is a competent driver; I don’t pay much credence to the calls for him to retire because of his crash in 2009.

But, there is a difference between a driver who can win a championship, even Button, and those that can not, and unfortunately, we have seen many times in the past that when the chips are down, something happens to Massa, and he can’t perform.

This was another one of those cases.

I don’t think he needs to retire, but it really looks like he made this accident all by himself.

Of course Perez’s reputation is there, well earned; however, based on the video, he maintained his line, it is not observable any early braking, and I wonder what the telemetry indicates that he get the penalty, and not Massa.

Danny-boy: good on you mate; I haven’t been the biggest fan, but you have proven yourself this season.

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I am not priviledged to see telemetry data that the stewards did have, but based on the visual as well as explanatory evidence by FM and SP, I think this was just a racing incident. Massa probably should accept the responsibility (no liability under the rules, though) because he initiated the overtake, and had an obligation to act carefully. Worn brakes of SP car etc should have been on his mind before he had made the move. He had to plan better, that is. Were it eg FA, SP would have been overtaken, taking into account that another top level racer SebVet had just done it prior to it.

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I’m afraid it can’t be said with certainty that Massa miscalculated the overtake. He was already aiming the inside when they all entered that turn with Perez going for the normal racing line on the outside. When Massa was fully committed on that line, Perez’s car moved over where Massa was going. Massa had no time to react at that point. Being ahead, Perez has the right to chose a line going into a turn, yes. If he wanted to defend, he should’ve have made his intentions very clear early on when Massa was behind. Perez’s car veered off-line in the last minute. That is why the penalty is justified.

As for how fast Massa was going or whether he would make the corner or not cannot be accurately judged by looking at a video clip or the relative speed and braking point of Vettel and Perez, both of whom were on very old tires. Massa wasn’t going too fast there; the other 2 were slower than him. Yes, the overtaking car has the responsibility to make a clean getaway, but you can’t do anything if the car being overlapped comes over to where you are in the last minute.

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A very good analysis of the incident here: http://oi61.tinypic.com/302xvnr.jpg. Originally posted in a simracing forum: https://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=84841&page=32. This is what the stewards would have also looked at.

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bronwyn collier

Feel sorry for Perez. I think he’s been hardly done by. Sorry, James, but I don’t like the new website. Not so easy to see everything – messy!

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James, I keep getting “your posting too quickly” with almost – day between.

I just replayed this incident about 12 times from 3 different angles and as much as I dislike Perez it is staggering how much at fault Felipe Massa is.

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kenneth chapman

@ elie…i too share your sentiments. from what i have viewed it is quite simple. they were both wrong but the weight lies with massa.

just watching it live so many times leaves me with no other impression than it was always going to be a disaster. that is the same impression i got at monaco when raikonnen crashed into magnussen? what is that old saying’ slow in fast out’, in relative terms that is.

yes, racing drivers make errors like we all do but this was slightly more insofar as the closing speeds do not allow for margins that will temper the outcome. massa was, IMO, most at fault. that would mean then on the basis of probability that they should’ve either have both received a sanction or they both received a penalty. the fact that they both survived bares testament to the superb safety quaities of the modern F1 car.

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Thanks but I will correct a very minor detail that both you and Magnussen missed.

Raikkonen did not “crash into Kevin Magnussen ” he slid wide on the corner in front blocking his path -He did not touch him. It was when he tried to get going again he reversed onto his front wing. Its still wrong I know but he was just trying to get going again and Kmag was still parked there. -Kimi made that abundantly clear but people still say “he collided in him” which is totally incorrect.

Yet Kimi lost 3rd place when Chilton collided in his tyre at the chicane during the safety car!- not one idiot or steward even raised it- Let alone imposed a penalty

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kenneth chapman

@ elie……yes, you are technically correct. so what does that mean. i was simply demonstrating by example that raikonnen, a driver who a lot of people think is a star, also makes impetuous moves that are foolish and will never come to fruition.

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http://youtu.be/NqKtdGV003A

Raikkonen actually got sick of Magnussen just parked there. Wtf was he waiting for. I would hazard a guess if Kimi didnt push him back he probably couldnt continue

My heart wont bleed for young Kmag after fully colliding with Kimi in 2 races.

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Issues with a plug in – it’s being dealt with. We had this once before if you remember. We’ll sort it out thanks for your patience everyone.

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One can understand Massa being upset, and Perez’s car did move to the left under braking, but it was hardly a huge swerve or an obviously deliberate attempt to block Massa. Personally to me it looked like Perez’s car simply moved under braking. Massa should have moved further to the left and the fact remains he barrelled into the back of another car – not the first time he’s simply misjudged his braking. I don’t understand why there needs to be blame apportioned in every incident. To me it was simply a racing accident, probably with Massa slightly more at fault, but overall just ‘one of those things’.

As for Rob Smedley’s words on the matter: we already knew he was a Massa apologist, but in the past he’s spoken only of things he actually knew about. I don’t really understand how he claims to know more about the performance of Perez’s car than Perez himself did.

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Massa made 2 bad decisions, which had nothing to do with causing that accident.

1. He trusted Perez. Period.

2. Massa was trying to stay as wide as possible to take the ideal line on T1. He should have stayed much to the left, took T1 and then driven straight for the apex on T2. This would have naturally given him the speed to stay ahead. But, you never know with Perez. He could have turned on Massa in that situation too.

Massa was turning left out of Perez’s slipstream to pass him on T1. Right at that moment, Perez moved left. When a car is gaining on you alongside, you simply hold your line, which Perez didn’t do. Hence, the penalty. The rules are clear.

I remember Webber overtaking Alonso at Eu Rouge in Spa in a very tight situation without crashing. That overtake was potentially more dangerous than this one. Both drivers knew where each other was. Alonso saw where Webber was. Webber knew he could trust Alonso. Both drivers got through Eu Rouge without crashing, because Alonso gave Webber room. The overtake looked awesome. That’s what F1 is – driving on the limit with awesome moves.

Perez has shown time an time again that he cannot be trusted. All drivers pay heed. Good job by the stewards.

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I have to correct myself after looking at the image I posted below. Massa made only one mistake, which was to trust Perez. Perez is 100% to blame here. If he hadn’t crashed with Massa, he could’ve bomb dived on T1 against Vettel. He didn’t have the car under him (with old boots) to try any of those things, which he did and caused a crash. Penalty very justified. In fact, a 10-place grid penalty would have also been justified in my book, because this isn’t the first time Perez has taken unnecessary risks resulting in crashes.

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Hi James,

Don’t you think it is unfair not to publish Perez’s side of the story? Without that this article could be misleading. It gives an impression that Perez is at fault. He could be, but from what I saw, Massa was way too ambitious with that move. Everybody knew Perez was struggling with brakes, was nursing his tyres and was on the LAST LAP! Would you do that turn 1 at 300 kmph? Would you do that when there are two cars ahead of you? Would you do that knowing the car in front has so many problems?

Perez was out of line, may be he was letting Massa pass him. May be he was being cautious and staying away or just could not keep the line because he didnt have brakes. How fair is it to give him a 5 place grid penalty? He lost so many points for himself and the team, that is punishment in itself. How many times have incidents like these been passed as just racing incidents?

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Note: This comment was left before Perez side of the story was issued and added to the post – Mod

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Massa should take an honest serious look at himself as a driver. Given the problems with the Mercs, he was in the best position to win the race. He was unable to make the best of the opportunity for a long time, and got desperate at the end – not the mark of a champion, and am afraid his time has past.

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