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Posted By: Justin Hynes  |  26 May 2014   |  4:53 pm GMT  |  516 comments

If Saturday’s cold body language between Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg – following the qualifying incident in which Rosberg claimed pole – suggested that the pair’s relationship had reached wintry levels, the icy words that followed Rosberg’s win ahead of Hamilton confirmed that things have now become positively arctic.

Although comparisons with the toxic team-mate relationship between Senna and Prost are premature, the basis of that was a breakdown of trust, which the team could not repair.

There has been a breakdown of trust between Hamilton and Rosberg in the last few races, with illicit use of engine modes and now the qualifying incident in Monaco.

Niki Lauda has pledged to reconcile the pair, but Hamilton looks like he’s gone into siege mentality – is he minded to play his part in a reconciliation?

It will be interesting to see whether Lauda’s efforts put an elastoplast over the situation, or a proper long-term fix.

Hamilton went on the offensive straight away following Rosberg’s win saying during the podium interviews that he felt he [Hamilton] had had great pace in the race and in an apparent reference to the previous day’s qualifying session that “fortunately we didn’t make any mistakes”.

His next broadside came in the FIA press conference where Hamilton again referred to fairness in the battle between the drivers.

“I had very good pace. I drove with all my heart and gave it all I could, fairly, and I feel like I drove fairly all weekend,” he said pointedly. “So I leave today quite happy and I can go into the next race with even more energy and determination.”

The Briton went to cast more of his own suspicions on Rosberg’s actions on Saturday. Asked if he had been in the room while Rosberg’s post-session debrief had taken place Hamilton said: “I was in there. I went to the toilet and Nico did his big debrief before I got there, which is unusual. Usually, we do it when we’re both in the same room but as I came up I did mine and fortunately the engineers had written down what Nico had said so I read it.”

What Hamilton was getting at was unclear, but Rosberg, for his part, toed a careful PR line when questioned about the growing animosity between the two drivers.

Asked if he and his team-mate would “sit down, have pizza and work it out”, the German insisted there was no conflict.

“It’s fine. We’ve had discussions and the benefit we have is that we’ve known each other for so long. We always sit down and discuss it and then move on and that’s what we’re doing this weekend also,” he said.

Rosberg did, however, use the occasion of the press conference to wage a small slice of psychological warfare on his team-mate, saying twice that the Monaco victory had broken Hamilton’s recent momentum.

“It’s a special win, definitely, because Lewis has had the momentum with the results and everything and I really needed to try to break that momentum and I managed to do that this weekend. Of course taking the leading again in the world championship and winning here in Monaco, yeah, all in all really, really cool.”

Rosberg also denied that he had told a German newspaper that Hamilton was prone to cracking under pressure.

“That is definitely very, very far from anything that I’ve ever said and ever would say,” he said. “Definitely not, and I’ve known Lewis for many, many years and he’s always been strong, among other things mentally, so I’m definitely not expecting him to crack any time soon, that’s for sure. It’s going to be a tough battle, which is going to be ongoing, but I would never say something like that.”

Hamilton was clearly frustrated during the race. When brought into the pits in the wake of the Safety Car’s emergence following Adrian Sutil’s crash a third of the way into the race, Hamilton repeatedly questioned the timing of the stop and the strategy behind it.

Later in asking for details of the gaps in the race and being informed of his advantage to Ricciardo, the Briton snapped that he didn’t care about that gap but wanted to know the deficit to Rosberg.

Quizzed about this attitude to the pit stop following the race, Hamilton was evasive.

“I don’t remember to be honest. I don’t,” he said. “I think they saw a crash and normally under the crash we could have come in and I really should have come in but the team didn’t call us in. We really should have pitted that lap.”

He was also evasive when asked about his comment of Saturday when he said he would handle the situation of Rosberg’s pole position “like Senna”. Asked to explain the comment Hamilton said: “I don’t know. I can’t really remember to be honest. I think it was just a joke. Obviously I didn’t.”

Asked if the gloves were now off in his battle with Rosberg, Hamilton said: “There is a fierce battle between me and Nico and it will continue that way to I’m sure quite late in the season. Nico’s not had a single hiccup through the season so far. Obviously I had a car that didn’t finish in Melbourne but otherwise it’s still quite close, so I’m just going to keep my head up, keep pushing.”

The final nail in the coffin of the duo’s friendship, which stretches back to their karting days, came, however, when Hamilton spoke to broadcasters after the press conference. Speaking about the relationship with Rosberg, Hamilton bluntly stated: “We are not friends. We are colleagues.”

Rosberg, too, cooled in the wake of the conference. “I don’t want to comment about Lewis in any way,” he told German television. “‘Friends’ is a big word. We work well together.”

It’s clear the battle lines between the two side of the Mercedes garage are being drawn deeper and deeper and it seems that the feud will only become more bitter as the season progresses.

Hamilton’s good fortune is that he has a chance to bounce back next week on one of his favourite tracks, Montreal, where he has won three times and had three pole positions.

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Lewis After Monaco : We are not friends

Nico After Monaco : We are still friends we will talk it out and move on

Later Lewis : I have talked to Nico and we are still friends, we have solved out issues.

So yeah, Nico really knows what he is talking 😛

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I’m always amazed at how much time Lewis has to “chat” over the radio during the race. James is this just British TV focusing in on Lewis or do all of the drivers talk on the radio this much?? (We know Kimi doesn’t, except when he has some entertaining observation. Bless that little character Kimi!)

Another interesting observation… how can the drivers jump out of their car and look like they have hardly broken a sweat nowadays? Senna always seemed to look completely beaten and sweating profusely. My thinking is, we should bring back the manual transmission to give Lewis and the other drivers something else to do, other than blathering on the radio. (Next up, Lewis asking to talk to Nicole on the radio during the race.)

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kenneth chapman

@ aveli…if you’re reading this then could i give you a subtle reminder that we are still waiting to see the official timing sheets that are a rebuttal of the times shown on the link that was provided?

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Oh boy, over 500 posts and people are still debating whether or not Lewis is a childish cry baby? Uh, the answer is apparent in the number of posts. When I read F1 news, it seems all of the threads on Lewis are either about yet another another idiotic comment he has made or his endless melodramatic life with Nicole. Please!!!! Anybody win other than cry baby Lewis!!

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kenneth chapman

hahaha, yes it is all rather tiresome and i try hard to refrain from the perpetual dissing comments on hamilton.

just because he is a walking, one time dog toting, tatooed, diamond earring wearing blingboard with a sense of entitlement due to his disadvantaged youth in scummy stevenage, shouldn’t influence ones opinions of his talent. also his apparent loss of short term memory regarding what he said 24hrs earlier shouldn’t impinge on his ability to attempt to manipulate the teams response to certain strategies to his own singular advantage.

his comments therefore should always be taken as good intentioned and light hearted banter that is easily misunderstood by the great unwashed “F1 dalits’. his attempts to emulate senna should be seen not as ‘bigging up his image to himself’ rather that a valid attempt to better himself on the race track. meritorious wouldn’t you say?

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kenneth chapman

i regret to say that i omitted to point out that hamilton’s latest tonsorial attempts to ‘appropriate’ the kim jong il hairstyle seem to be a low key emulation of the cult status enforced by the north korean stylemeister. at least kim doesn’t have a blood red private jet of his own. probably an ilyushin four engined strato monster which is not ‘cool’.

7

Myself, I’d like to see Hamilton and Alonso crash into each other with the hope it will knock off the chips on their shoulders. They both are world champions and should act like one.

8

Some are critical about Lewis behavior. I love Lewis for acting this way. Just read that Charlie wants to change the rules concerning the yellow. If Lewis would have behaved like the nice boy this would not have happend. Charlie wants to allow 1 minute extra after a yellow flag in the last 3 minute of Q3. This does not solve the problem because the tires are wore out. But the FIA is acting. Do not forget that the overtake rules where also changed have Lewis accidents with Massa.

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As an Englishman I will of course lean towards supporting Lewis. Regardless of that bias when he’s on it he’s a joy to watch. Same as Jenson. When he’s in the zone it’s glorious.

Lewis has been in the zone the last few races but he appears to be playing mind games, that looking through my TV, doesn’t seem to be his strength.

Rosberg is niggling and getting to him. Hamilton’s some what classless comments appear to be feeding Nico. Nico certainly seems better at the mind games or at least rising above it.

I fully expected Lewis to beat Nico in Canada – but if he doesn’t I fear a Lewis meltdown is on the cards.

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Darrell Steele

Can someone just confirm was it nico who started this thing about turning the engine up??

11

In Bahrain Hamilton drove too agressive and would have been reported to the stewards for crowding but his actions were against his own teammate so Mercedes would hardly get a penalty against one of his own drivers, would they. Rosberg more than once had to take evasive action to avoid a crash. After the first dull races this year everyone was naturally excited by the spectacle so it was sweeped under the carpet in the UK at least because a Brit won. What has come to light now is that Rosberg retaliated by changing his engine mode or better say not turn it down at the end of the race as was agreed before the race. Hamilton did the same the next race when he defended against a late Charge by Rosberg. Team internally both got a good bollocking after Bahrain, again nothing was made of it in the Brit media but now its all in the open for everyone to see and the english media is acting all surprised Rosberg doesnt want to play second fiddle to the Chosen one.

12

am i right to assume that you follow the driver who impresses you the most and write more about that driver than any other on the f1 grid?

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kenneth chapman

@ don fernando…very interesting. no smoke without some conflagration.

14

I think the real question is, “Is this turning the engine up thing why Nico was testing the megaphone exhaust?” 😉

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Does anyone take a second to think anymore? That 19.906 is with Hamilton lifting off for the yellows on the run down to Mirabeau. He would’ve seen yellows starting from Casino Square. The Sector 1 timing point is at the end of Mirabeau, just before the turn down to the Loews hairpin.

Even with the 19.906 delayed first sector time, if he does the same times in S2 and S3 as his previous lap then he’s on pole by 8-thousandths. I would bet he would’ve beaten both of his previous sector times, so he would’ve been well clear.

Let’s use the grey stuff people!

17

how about the official fia timing records?

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kenneth chapman

@ aveli,do the official timing sheets show different figures then? how about posting them and then we can compare?

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kenneth chapman

@aveli…..that’s not good enough. you indicated that the official FIA records differ from the ones posted by HP yet you can’t provide the evidence to support your post?

so where did you get your data? please post…

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i know the official timing sheets have no hand written labels.

21

Yeowch! I meant conscience, sorry Nico.

22

No matter whether Rosberg deliberately parked it or not, Hamilton believes he did and reacted badly to it. Bottom line for me is that Rosberg psychologically has the edge at this point, which on the back of four Hamilton victories is impressive. It’s going to take another string of wins to swing the momentum back and with Austria, Germany and Hungry looming, I’m not so sure that’s going to happen.

Either way it’ll still be tight by Abu Dhabi. Any way I look at it, it’s depressingly all coming down to those ridiculous double points. Ugh.

23

you will find out who has the psychological edge after the next 4 races or better still, by the end of the season. rosberg was spooked into employing illegal means.

24

Lewis should not care much about Nico but Nicole this year if he wants to win WDC. Whether she parts him even for a short period of time Lewis may easily crack down under pressure.

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hamilton never cracks under pressure. that’s your fantasy.

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Let’s see how the season goes on)) He’s already shown his mental weakness.

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it’s all in your mind, he has never shown any mental weakness, read what button had to say about his mental strength.

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I don’t think there are many F1 drivers (pass or present) that never acted like spoiled children at one time or another. I’m not crazy about Hamilton’s behavior, but my guess is most fans are not concerned with “company image”…we like drivers with passion and personality…even if they are annoying from time to time. Senna, while loved and honored among today’s fans, was no Mother Teresa..F1 drivers are very competitive folks…asking them to “smile, be nice, never show anger” is probably unrealistic and would probably make F1 boring…

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I think it must worry Hamilton a bit as well that Rosberg has been faster than him in the latter stages of quite a few races this year.

Hamilton I think is also running the risk of alienating himself from the team. It should be noted that generally when team wars like this exist they don’t remain team mates for long. Senna and Prost – 2 years, Alonso Hamilton – 1 year. Usually the most disgruntled person leaves. I bet after he made the McLaren strategist comment that he got a “you can come back anytime” text from desperate Ron.

As for the Senna style comment, umm, Lewis, when Schumacher did that to Villeneuve in 97 they took all his points off him for the whole season. Probably not the best tactic, mate.

Canada will be interesting, I expect a very determined Lewis, perhaps a little too determined. Champions Corner is usually interesting at intense times. Rosberg is playing a very intelligent game and is getting better every weekend and Dan is just ready to pounce.

Canada will also be interesting if Lewis has a large posse there to support him. They sometimes are more of a distraction to him than a benefit. Let’s see how mature he is getting by who attends and how he reacts to media scrutiny. Now that theyve seen the cracks they will not let up on him, Rosberg is playing a much more intelligent game I think.

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because of hamilton’s decisions throughout his life, he’s in contention for the drivers title this year and he can certainly make the right decisions to get further up to where he wants to go. if there is any value in your advice, why did you not use them to become a karting champion at least?

hamilton didn’t mean it was better at mclaren, he simply said the strategists set up at mercedes is different from what he was used to at mclaren. if hamilton had similar mentality as rosberg, he would have just turned up at the pits and wait to be serviced and emerge ahead of rosberg but he didn’t he listened to the sole strategist who told him to pit after rosberg. he didn’t disobey team orders and cheat either. let’s find if those double points will be useful to anyone.

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Kenneth M'Boy

Ha, I hung my helmet up long ago, mate. Got my fair share of titles and trophies in karts and just enjoy watching the racing these days. So I guess I did take my advice. How’s your racing career going?

I think you better watch his comments again, he clearly suggested that McLaren had a better system of strategy, in particular for the guy coming second. He better watch what he wishes for because in most of the races this year, the guy coming second is Nico. He may have just shot himself in the foot if Mercedes decide to adopt this method and all of a sudden Rosberg is allowed to undercut Hamilton.

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I agree with you entirely!

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Hi James

Don’t you think a lot of the pundits/press are being very lenient on Rosberg in the way they are reporting this. This was blatant [mod], there’s no way that this was an innocent mistake. I’ve heard a lot about the paddock and drivers being split down the middle. I mean, come on, surely they can’t genuinely believe this was a mistake. He was over a tenth down, he knew it, he wasn’t getting that time back. It was laughable how late he braked, and the hand movements were amateur. Derrick Warwick telling Brundle on the grid that this was definitely not deliberate, he must have been at the scotch. I just think a lot is being made about the relationship breaking down and not enough scrutiny has been placed on Rosberg, I personally would like to see him pushed harder on this or an article analysing it further. It’s blatant [mod] and so far he seems to have got away with it based on his previous good character, if this had been MSC there would have been more of an inquisition. I also can’t believe F1 hasn’t taken provisions to stop this happening, it was an embarrassing way for a qualifying session to end and could easilly be avoided.

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You talk as if you were an F1 driver yourself. Your not right? Lol. Get over it… many don’t believe he did it deliberately. If you can’t prove something you have no right to label a man guilty.

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all the evidence points to the fact that rosberg parked his car with intent and the stewards were instructed by the higher powers to take that decision. all those reporting on f1 understand just how powerful the higher powers are and don’t want to cross paths hence the reporting we have. hamilton’s different and say he wishes the media could see the data. albeit hamilton will never do what rosberg did, if hamilton did it, can you imagine how big a story that would be? don’t forget liar gate.

nature will win through.

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Does anyone actually believe this fued bullocks,seems like a badly acted wrestling script to me.”illicit engine modes”,so it seems the drivers are not supposed to be in control of the cars.Wasted 20years hoping things would improve, not going watch this crap anymore.

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well said!

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Andrew Cumbria

It’s surely time to put the Monaco GP to bed and look at the bigger picture of the season so far and whats still to come…………..

Sorry, but I think Hamilton needs to stop acting like a 3 year old, he can’t overcome a poor car in the way that Alonso does because mentally he’s too fragile and his emotions get the better of him.

This year Mercedes could well win every race, which I don’t think even the dominant McLaren in Senna and Prost’s hands even managed (and with many less races too) they seem to be developing the car as fast as anyone and the gap between them and the field isnt closing……. Lets hope Ferrari can get closer in Canada and onwards, but I don’s see that happening either.

Thats said without a cool and calculating mind this could easily and quickly slip away from Lewis, luckily the races come thick and fast now, imagine how he would have fair if had been before the summer break with nothing else to think about other than his perceived injustices for 3 or 4 weeks.

I fear for Lewis’s mental state should he have another DNF shortly and Nico carries on sweetly he could well end up forcing himself out of the Championship car this year and possibly the next 2 or 3 years as they are some far in front.

Man up Lewis and race, fighting with some honor and integrity, traits which unfortunately you seem to be sadly lacking

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did you take those pills? how many 3 year olds have you ever seen drive an f1 car? if hamilton enjoys smiling with squinted nostrils, i suggest he does it. only he is in position to decide how he behaves and if you don’t like it then it’s your problem so find the solution yourself and stop expecting him to change I order to solve your problem.

this genetic disorder is now getting out of hand!

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I haven’t seen any mention of the fact that Nico’s problem containing Lewis remains that same, Lewis is faster. There aren’t many places where Nico can stay ahead by coming off the track like at Monaco.

He will be pleased to have won a race at last when Lewis was still on track, and he managed to optimise his start. It still looks like he needs a lot of things to go his way to stay in contention.

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simon mawdsley

Worth remembering that this ‘feud’ started because Nico turned up his engine in Bahrain, then Lewis did the same in Spain in response.

42

Whether Rosberg caused the yellow flag on purpose, or not, the fact that he celebrated the pole position in the manner that he did was not very sportsmanlike at all, and it shows all the symptoms of deceit.

In this case, you can understand why Hamilton would be so angry towards Rosberg and Mercedes for letting this happen. Expect fireworks in coming races, and the friendship between him and Rosberg is almost certainly over.

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Toto has revealed the Bahrain and Spain engine boost debacle which was kept from the public. Nico used the boost for Bahrain, then Lewis used the boost for Spain. But Nico said they do that all the time, so it’s a bit confusing. The rift began already from the boosting issue, then Lewis started the hunger games bout the rich and the not so well to do lifestyle. I’m assuming this must have triggered off Nico.

Now we all know of Nico nice guy persona and some said he cheated, some said he didn’t. This we will never know, only Nico knows from his consciousness. It’s a 50/50 for me, as they are such good drivers and with control we coulda been fooled. It will hang in the air for the 2014 quali session.

Tensions are running very high now and the trust in both drivers has disappeared. Why does Merc have only one strategist, that I find strange obviously. I mean I’d like my own if I’m racing so it’s total commitment, no?

I’ve forgotten the sound, the 5 secs slower cars and am enjoying the mind games going on with both drivers. Nothing beats the human emotions displayed by Lewis and Nico.

Lewis should be cool but not easy for him though and just let the talking be done on the tracks from now. But if Lewis loses to Nico in Canada then Nico has upped his game. We shall see.

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Being an Aussie, I love a one eyed rave as much as the next person who is unencumbered by the facts.

But really, some of the Brits on this site behave like over protective parents at their 8 year olds soccer game.

He was not fast enough in the first run of Q3. He held off to go last in the 2nd run, to get the track at its most rubbered up, but exposing himself to anyone before him having an off. He bet and lost. Was it a deliberate crash by Nico, seems unlikely. More likely he was pushing hard, knowing he had little to lose so long as he did not total the car. Would Lewis have been faster, not lost it etc, again who knows. Again, he rolled the dice and lost.

As for being faster in the race – who gives a ####, you cant pass in Monaco, so its a silly thing to say.

Really, time for Lewis to stop acting like my 8yo – the “if I cant win, I’ll crash into you” thing was just embarrassing. Then when asked about it – “I cant remember”.

Grow up, no more tanties, and get on with it or go to your room.

Daniel on the other hand, now there’s a real man!

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kenneth chapman

hahaha well said luke. all true.

46

Well said.

We are talking about hundredths and thousandths of a second. Literally the blink of an eye.

You miss a breaking point by a fraction and it could mean you race (not just your qualifying) is over.

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Paul Braithwaite

Hi

I think Lewis needs to grow up and stop throwing is toys out when things don’t go his way. Nico is handling the situation in a far more mature way. This may be controversial but if Lewis really did get something in his eye (which I don’t believe) then how come there was absolutely no sign of redness after the race – sounds more like a tantrum to me.

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and what qualifies you to say he should grow up? what will you grow up into, an f1 driver? he does what he wants. that’s what got him to where he is. i hope he never does any of what you suggest he does, otherwise he will never be an f1 driver, oops, isn’t he one already? the best ever?

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Paul Braithwaite

I would say being an adult qualifies me. I am not denying his driving skills but his emotional maturity. teenage tantrums are not cool !!!

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you may be qualified but is he not an adult too by definition? all the genetic instruction which make him who he is, were compiled at conception and his environmental experiences influenced how he presents himself to you now. there is nothing that can be done about it so leave him to be himself and try to find a solution for your problem of not liking him.

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I might be an odd lemon here,i am a huge f1 fan who was brought up believing this sport is the pinical of motorsport.i have attended every british GP i could and have supported only one team in all my years of following. I applaud great drivers and detest a poor team player but i find myself torn here. Lewis is a fast and capable driver,he has shown us his skill and has entertained us with some very memorable drives BUT he is no senna or prost. His attitude over this weekend has cemented my view of him as a spoil child,look at how i have been treated,look at how i had to struggle to get here. Yes lewis,you have come up from humble beginnings but so have many drivers,most dont get support from a major F1 team from the age of 8, most dont get to drive in a number 1 car from the start of their career,they have to pay their dues in lower teams,Jenson in point, he had years in the wilderness but did you hear him pull down his engineer on the radio or accuse the team of underhand moves with a team mate. What advice is Lewis getting from his management? or has he just got yes men rubbing his ego? He needs to present a more british front..keep your mouth closed when out of the car and do your talking on track,you need to respect your team,they pay your wage and have given you a fantastic car that others can only dream of. I am sorry,if i was in that team and i had comment like this fired at me i would not be giving you my best,i am sure merc wont do this,they are above such things but in their shoes..would you give a team member that is just out for himself every option or upgrade first?…i know i would not,i would give it to the one that is a model employee, the one that is not throwing tantrums and threatening to take out both cars in the first corner. Hamilton could be a great champ,he could be a great ambassador for this country but at the moment he is ticking every box wrong. He is a stereotypestreet punk with a ego and attitude of a spoilt child,Nico on the other hand might not have the edge in driving tallent but he is the posterboy for merc,his face is fitting to their company image and no matter what we say as fans its always down to company image and in this i fear Lewis has shot a home goal.

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Alexis Vallance

Yes, but the difference is that you probably wouldn’t be sitting in the car in the first place if you were Mr Nice Guy. You’re not juts an employee, you’re a unimaginably driven individual who needs to win at all costs.

The interesting thing is that the current drivers on the grid are revealing their true colours over time. Vettel, multi-21 and his current outbursts. Alonso, spygate and switchgate. And now we have Rosberg’s cheating. Yes – let’s just say it – he cheated.

All your points about Hamilton can be applied to most of the top drivers.

53

I believe what really hurt Lewis was the fact due to nico’s yellow flag and taking pole he stopped him from making it 5 in a row and maybe more with 3 of his best tracks coming up .I can see Lewis becoming even more ruthless now not giving his team mate an inch of track .personaly I believe Nico was under hand in qualifying but as others have said only he knows .

54

You’d think Nico would have acknowledged the elephant in the room and just said in the conference “it’s a shame Lewis is still upset because he still thinks I ruined my qualifying lap on purpose, even though I’ve said over and over it was a mistake.”

Lewis was obviously still having digs, but Nico just ignored it. Maybe he wasn’t expecting the timing of his debrief to ce up?

Yes you can protest too much, but Rosberg has hardly been bending over backwards to deny any guilt.

55

Hamilton should be HAPPY with where he is:

1) he raced well in Monaco, chasing Nico all the way. He was on the pace.

2) no more friends-dilemma. Now its destroy-my-team mate all the way (without feeling sorry)

3) Lewis is just 4 points behind in the WDC, with his best track coming up.

4) Lewis has matured in terms of *caring* of what people think of him. He seems just to tell how it is. Whether he made a fool of himself on podium or in post-race interviews. His reference to McLaren strategy-making was him just being open about his experiences with two teams. He didnt say Mercedes sucked..he just said how differently they operated, and if he had the same at Mercedes, he might have had a chance.

BY the way: that post race interview (in the media pit with Sky) reminded me sooo much of 2007, after he complained that he was a nr2 driver versus Alonso. Almost the same words. Eerie!

56

If Hamilton loses the World Championship, he will now have only himself to blame. He’s now created a situation where he’s in a confrontation with a more intelligent, more technically qualified, more socially sophisticated, more media-savvy team mate. Hamilton is ultimately a better driver than Rosberg and Hamilton should have the confidence in himself to beat Rosberg over the course of the season, if not every qualifying session and every race. Instead he’s reverted to type by throwing his toys out of the pram over something that in the scheme of things is very insignificant.

It’s a pity he can’t take a leaf out of Hill and Button’s books when dealing with a competitive team mate and instead seems to be following the Mansell example – paranoid, ignorant and petty.

57

I think Hamilton is the more intelligent RACER as evidenced by his superb rearguard action in Bahrain. I’d need more close interaction to determine who’s the more intelligent person. Rosberg does speak an awful lot of languages but Hamilton strikes me as the wittier of the two.

58

Hmm… I think this started much earlier than we think, at least “we” as in the fans, perhaps the journalist know more than they are letting on.

Personally I think this started in Melbourne with his engine failure. Then in Malaysia it subsided because he blew Nico out of the water, he beat him by 17 seconds. Then in Bahrain it started to boil again, but he played it cool, I think Lewis was deeply bothered by the fact that Nico was given the infamous dossier, it showed that the team was interfering in the intra team battle. Then in that same race, unbeknown to the spectators, Nico used a forbidden engine map.

Then came Barcelona, and Lewis admitted that his setup could have been better, but in this race the team also cost him over 2 seconds in the form of slower pit stops, and yes, this time he used the forbidden engine map.

Then came this weekend at Monaco and the “incident” in qualifying. Lewis pouted, perhaps childishly, but I think that what angered Lewis was the fact TW came to Nico’s defense, he seemed to pick a side by telling reporters about Lewis using the forbidden map in Barca, but failing to say anything about Nico doing the same in Bahrain. Im not saying that theres a conspiracy, but it seems that while the team is letting the drivers race each other, its not doing it fairly. What I mean by that is that it seems as if they are bolstering Nico’s driving, I don’t think they’re hindering Lewis though.

As a fan of Lewis I really wished he acted differently, he needs to put his head down and drive, IMO the WDC is his to loose, hes beaten Nico in 4 out of 6 races, and one of the 2 where he didn’t was a DNF through no fault of his, we’ll never know what would have happened, sure, but that can be said either way. That’s my 2c.

James, what do you make of the team mentioning about the use, by Lewis, of the forbidden map, but not saying anything of the fact that Nico did the same?

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AFAIK, Wolff spelled out that both did it, Hamilton said that both of them had done it once, when he spoke after Monaco race on the subject.

Rosberg said it was “normal”

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I don’t think Rosberg has the advantage nor the momentum in the team.

In my humble and uneducated opinion (although I have raced extensively) the see sawing of his wheel immediately prior to his ‘off’ was for show. I’m not a fan of either driver but find unsportsmanlike behavior, even at this level, disappointing.

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rosberg would have easily been in the driving seat to become champion but the team decided to sign hamilton on a huge salary. rosberg’s contract has just been renewed for another 2 seasons. how many championships will they each win in the next two seasons? i wonder.

nature wins in the end.

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Speaking of F1 feuds, here’s a blast from the past:

For sheer rudeness nobody, surely, can

match Nelson Piquet.

He called Nigel Mansell, his 1986 and 1987 Williams team-mate, ‘an uneducated blockhead with a stupid and ugly wife.’

He dismissed Enzo Ferrari as ‘senile’ and asked whether he or Ayrton Senna (whom he had previously insinuated was gay) was a better driver, replied: ‘I’m still alive.’

He could also be crafty. He kept secret from Mansell the fact he was using a new differential, which helped him win the 1986 Hungarian Grand Prix.

Years later, he was involved in disclosing Renault’s part in Crashgate – the fixed race in Singapore – involving his son Nelson Jnr, who hardly lacked confidence himself.

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Haha … classic Piquet.

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I can’t believe no one is talking about double points in the final race of the season.

Admittedly my calculations are basic at best and probably wrong to say the least, but to be honest, based on how close the season is, if either HAM or ROS get a DNF in the final race, the title will go to the one who finishes / wins.

Here is some rough maths:

11 races remaining the season excluding the final race

Difference in points between 1st and 2nd = 7

Maximum points buffer available if HAM was to win EVERY RACE and ROS was to get second in the next 11 races = 77

Points for first in the final race = 50

Points buffer with all wins / seconds = 27

Number of win required to get 27 points = 4 races for a 28 points lead.

That means if HAM was to win the next 4 races (well it is actually 5 races because he is behind on points) and get a DNF in the last, he would still lose.

I’m talking myself into circles, but you get the gist of what I am trying to say.

The Crappest.

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hamilton was 25 points down after the first race but he soon caught up.hamilton should keep telling the media of anomalies and they will sort themselves out.

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Maybe Bernie’s gold – silver – bronze medal system is not such a bad idea in these circumstances eh?

The way things are going, there is not much chance of winning the championship with 3 or 4 races to spare like Seb did last season, even if Lewis wins the next 10 races with Nico second each time.

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I know, it’s depressing. Worst idea I’ve seen in my 25 years of F1

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Yes.. definitely the worst. Also because it is yet another bunch of complicated maths viewers have to do.

Even the casuals hate Math. :p

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James, you sure sound like a fan just like us from this comment.

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kenneth chapman

james is a ‘superluckyfan’. he gets to meet. mingle and make a living in what we would all give one of our lower front[male] anatomy items for.

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Isn’t that what happens when F1 starts pandering to the masses/casual viewer?

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Rich In Norway

Is it too late to change it?

Rich

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I would second that.

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Ok, I actually got a spreadsheet out.

there are 11 races left.

ROS = 122pts

HAM – 118pts

If HAM was to win every race and ROS was to get second in every race, there would be 80 points difference.

This means that if HAM and ROS were to win and get second respectively in 9 out of the next 13 races and ROS was to win the last 4 races and HAM get second and a DNF in the last, ROS would still win the title.

I dunno, it is complicated. So many variables.

All I am saying is there is a lot of stink about the 7 points which HAM feels cheated on.

All of his hard work for the season could come undone even if he wins 67% of the remaining races and gets a DNF in the last.

My head hurts.

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I just hope whoever was leading before the last race would not deliberately take the other one out (happened a few times in Michael’s era).

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Maybe Lewis should not of left it to the very last lap to try and snatch pole.

Nico was smart, he put down a very good “banker” lap earlier in the session when he had clear track, everyone talked about traffic all weekend, even during the practice session Sky was commenting on how hard it can be to find a gap to get “a quick lap” in.

All the drivers know this and with the track being renown for biting you if you make a mistake, I certainly wouldn’t want to gamble on leaving it right to the last moment.

Yes the on board showed Nico “sawing – as some have called it” on the steering wheel prior to the lock up, but that bump that they swerve to avoid could of caused the car to be unsettled while pushing that hard, also take into account the there is approx 5 times the torque with these things. I guess we will never know!!!

I’m not a fan of either of these 2 Mercedes drivers (Ric fan)and I’m not picking sides on who is at fault. I personally feel that it is swings and roundabouts. Remember back to Malaysia last year. “Hold Station Nico” that was Lewis day when Ross clearly issued orders to hold station when Nico was clearly better on the day (even Lewis admitted that).

What really interests me in all of this is how management is going to cope with what will be great for the sport now(the intense rivalry).

Can Mr Wolfe and Mr Lowe control these guys?? I think this is where Merc. will miss a guy like Ross Brawn. I cant see Niki Lauda helping the situation but i guess only time will tell.

Bring on Canada.

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Another Hamilton article…

In your podcast you said that “he lets his emotions get the best of him and it leads to mistakes”. Looking back I can’t think of any mistakes he made this weekend, or throughout the season.

What mistakes has he made exactly?

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Not mistakes on track, mistakes in demeanour and approach. He gives too much away to the opposition this way

As Jackie Stewart said, he should park what happened on Saturday and rise above it.

He didn’t.

1-0 Rosberg

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Yeah just brush the fact that your teammate blatantly [mod] his way to pole and then the win under the carpet, easier said than done.

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That’s funny, so they’re two championships then? and all the time i thought they were driving to win world championship and not the popular/demeanor championship.

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More like 1-4 Rosberg.

I personally think that Rosberg has made a bigger ‘mistake’ than he did in Q3, he has shown his hand too early. Hamilton will regroup over the next few races and gain momentum.

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If Flav B thinks Nico has nothing to answer for then Nico is innocent. Flab B should know.

I’m not a big Nico fan and I agree with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMoLPa3X1VQ

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Flav: “Michael made a mistake too” – hahaha

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Absolutely, Flav is the most upstanding and fair person in F1, what he says goes 🙂

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This is shaping up to a cracker of a battle for the championship win between these two! I’m loving and savouring every moment of it! To be honest I don’t really care who of the two becomes champion as long as they can keep it close to the last race!

Bring on the fight on and off track!

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“The Briton went to cast more of his own suspicions on Rosberg’s actions on Saturday.”

Hamilton’s narrative of Rosberg is confused.

Hamilton got in the media prior to the race weekend claiming that Rosberg’s pampered upbringing has left Nico with a diminished hunger to win:

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2014/5/15845.html

But now, in contradiction of his previous position, Hamilton implies that Rosberg is so pathologically hungry for victory that he’ll cheat to get it.

If these are supposed to be mind games from Hamilton then I think they’re backfiring on him.

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Has Lewis deleted Nico from his twitter?

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No, but I believe Roscoe the dog has in a fit of anger!

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Hi James,

Does Lewis want to repeat what went down between him and Fernando at McLaren? Will it work with Nico and Merc?

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Different situation. Different managers

TBH – McLaren was more about Alonso vs Dennis and the breakdown of trust there, than Alonso vs Hamilton. Alonso accepted that Hamilton was just racing his heart out as a new kid with an opportunity. He wanted Dennis to manage the situation better so he as the senior driver would be favoured for the championship attempt. It spiralled out of control quite early on.

But Alonso and Hamilton weren’t at breakdown of trust point with each other, as these two are.

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justafan…Alonso unstable…you’re kidding right?

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“But Alonso and Hamilton weren’t at breakdown of trust point with each other, as these two are”

Because actually there was never trust between them, so nothing to breakdown.

If they share team now, they would play it so hard, as enemies from the beginning. The difference with Nico is that Lewis can accept a defeat in Monaco against Alonso, as he absolutely respects and admires his abilities. But he can not accept a defeat against Rosberg, as he sees himself as the superior force and the better driver. Which I believe he actually is. His problem right now is with his ego more than with Nico.

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There is another difference with Nico too. While Hamilton could destabilise the emotionally unstable Alonso with his tantrums, we don’t know yet if he can succeed at the same game with Rosberg too.

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This was the most incredulous thing that Lewis did over the weekend. Not even acknowledging Nico’s win – not even looking at him – just avoiding him after the race. On champagne shower time, Lewis stalked off the podium. What the!

I am a Lewis fan – so I wrote to XIXEntertainment and Mercedes scolding them for not managing him better. The boy needs support and doesn’t seem to be getting it in times of need.

He is clearly affected by the 2007 debacle when he knew that the team were conspiring against Alonso….hence he may be a little paranoid now about his team doing the same to him (just listen to those radio messages).

He isn’t doing anything to help him now because he is losing fans (by being a sore loser) and may soon lose the support of this team/engineers (by being so rude and paranoid). How is that going to help him over the next 2 years – by making enemies out of family?

Any Hamilton fans should contact XIXEnt, as well – go to their website and givem an email – be nice about it though.

Lauda clearly has the same view – but he needs to do more. If things continue to escalate, even if Lewis wins, it will not be enjoyable for him or the team.

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Lewis keeps saying he wants to take a leaf out of Senna’s book.

I think in Monaco he should have taken a leaf out of Michael Schumacher’s book:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaPQRzXkHvk

That’s what he should have done. 😛

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Thanks for the link. It was so refreshing to hear the real sound of F1.

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Everything around that era was pure magic. Including the sportsmanship.

Notable that Hakkinen has come out criticizing Hamilton’s behavior. Hak and Schu seemed pretty chummy for fierce rivals.

The two would have wars every 2 weeks, and almost every Post-Race Press Con they’d be side by side but you knew the atmosphere would always be one of tough, but mutual, respect.

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The sound was pure magic.

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Awesome.

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Yeah… it was. This season is pretty competitive. But the times between 1998 – 2001 were incredible.

This was the time when every 2 weeks you expected a lap record to be broken by either the Flying Finn or Michael Schumacher.

And also.. that was the time when the saying “you can’t overtake at Monaco” applied to everyone except MSC or HAK…. It was NEVER a sure thing when it was those two.

That 1999 Monaco start was the most tense, most exciting start I think in the entire history of that race. It was the time when you never discounted either top driver because you always felt either had the ability to make impossible things happen.

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Indeed, those were some of the best years in F1. I agree.

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Let hamilton be angry, who cares if he didn’t congratulate Rosberg, if he felt he was beat straight up then he would have congratulated him. Frankly, Rosberg has been beaten by hamilton pretty convincingly and actually he’s lucky the championship is even this close. When pushed Rosberg has made huge mistakes like china qualifying when he spun pushing too hard, then the start in china where he had huge contact but luckily was able to continue. Now Monaco where he was pushed again and made huge mistakes before ultimately almost binning it and causing the yellow. These are huge mistakes that will continue as Rosberg tries to keep pace with hamilton.

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At first I was sceptical about whether this was a real, organic breakdown between two former friends or just a clever PR stunt by Mercedes to keep the focus on them – knowing that championship domination can often be boring to the casual viewer.

However after this weekend it is evident that there is real animosity developing. Notably more so from Hamilton’s side – he is clearly a sensitive individual. Nico seems far more cool and collected – the antagonistic words said by Nico to the media recently were only responses to comments Lewis had made to them first.

These dramatic interviews and team radio conversations suggest a deeper insecurity within Lewis – most drivers would consider the past weekend Lewis has experienced as simply bad luck. But Lewis has the tendency to believe his team favour his team-mate over him, and that he is the victim of injustice.

This often causes Lewis to become withdrawn and isolate himself from the team. His side of the garage could perceive this moody attitude as arrogance and Lewis does himself no favours because of this.

Instead, Lewis should remember that, barring the DNF of Australia, Nico has only finished ahead of Lewis once this season. Similarly, the mistake Nico made in qualifying was only as a result of the pressure Lewis had put him under. Lewis should work positively together with his team and head to a track he dominates at,knowing that he has an excellent chance to retake the championship lead and put Monaco behind him with a win.

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I’m just really disappointed with Lewis. I’ve been a fan since his first F1 race, he is one of the best,but this episode has really soured me. I seem to have turned on him as quickly as he turned on Nico. Maybe I’m naive but I thought Nico made an honest mistake and over cooked it. I didn’t see him reverse. Yellow appeared the instant he left the track. I think Lewis was at that point somewhere near Tabac. Mirabeau probably would have still been yellow when Lewis arrived anyway.

All the former F1 drivers I’ve heard, bar Johnny Herbert think it was not a deliberate move.

(Someone posted above that all the drivers think he did it on purpose)

Which drivers said this, and to whom did they say it?

My question is, What did Lewis see on the data that the stewards didn’t pick up?

The only “Senna-like” stuff I want to see is brilliant racing. Don’t remind me of the Senna I didn’t like….and just on that, At least Senna spoke his mind in press conferences.

I know it’s easy to pontificate from the couch James, but maybe a couple of follow-up questions to Lewis about his attitude in the post quali presser may have helped, I mean, you’ve known these guys a long time.

Natalie Pinkham is the only one I’ve seen put these guys on the spot.

…and no more Benedict Cumberbatch on the podium…have someone who know what’s going on, like you James.

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I can’t – I’m in the FIA press conference room preparing to do the longer interview session after the podium interviews.

It’s a shame you didn’t see that. Very interesting. Transcript is at http://www.fia.com

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Thanks for that, Unfortunately Ch10 in Australia don’t broadcast the official Post race PC anymore.

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I was disappointed by Nico this weekend. Anyone who has ever competed should know how jarring it can be when an opponent ‘[mod]’

From rolling your dice during a game of monopoly to arguing a ball was in when playing tennis or diving in the penalty box when playing football.

It leaves a bad taste and this weekends race and the season is now less glamorous because of Nico’s behavior.

Hopefully we can move on, but the media now has a sour that they can now pick at.

Let’s up things don’t worsen this track is the only one were this can happen and a driver can get away with it.

Here is hoping for a clean and fair rest of the season

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Firstly, I have to say I’m a huge fan of this website, it does a great service to F1. More so than the racing at times, though I’ll leave the controversial comments while later.

The deliberations so far, here and elsewhere, appear to be missing one crucial element. During the race, Rosberg locked up several times going into the same corner. Noted by many I’m sure, discussed by few though. I’ll leave it to others to speculate on the reasons for this.

The facts are the important issues, thankfully, the evidence from both qualifying and the race were clear to see. If one chooses to look carefully at the skid marks left by Rosberg (ahem) we can see that on occasion, during the race, the lock-ups took him deeper into the corner. Yet, with arguably a heavier fuel load than that during qualification, the corner was negotiated without trouble. The other pertinent point being, it appears that, barring Raikkonen adding to them (no comment needed), Rosberg was the only driver to lock up that particular corner upon entry? 4 skid marks, 1 qualy, 3-race?

However, despite from the above appearing to back up a potential foul play, and hence either being incredibly bi-partisan or somewhat a HAM fan, I cannot express how distasteful I found the post race Hamilton. Like many, we have grown up with him and seen his brilliance, his raw pace, his vulnerability, his hot-headed ness, the way he kept Rosberg behind him in perhaps one of The Most Iconic Race Finishes ever, yet, I thought it was poor form after the event.

These traits I thought we’d seen the end of, I believed we’d seen the end of them. Hence, even despite being a fan of HAM, I find myself a little disenfranchised with the race…and sadly hence the season. Rosberg is great, but I don’t want him to win the season. If he happened to be in Ricciardo’s shoes, I’d be all for it. A man who I’m sure all our respect has gone through the roof for?

I can’t change the past though, I wish it’d have been different thought I am far from foolish enough to cling on to this notion.

As an interesting point to consider; should Rosberg have been penalised and dispatched to the back of the grid, where do you think he would have finished?

I doubt even James’ superb post race UBS report will be able to shed light upon this due to the uniqueness of Monaco. It would have made for a more exciting race through, even appreaciating the extended coverage the rear of the race achieved, watching Rosberg fight through the field to finish…3rd? would have been amazing.

This is my first post on this website and indeed, my first F1 post. Having read so much by so many, I thought it only fair (& enjoyable) to attempt to give a little back.

Adam

Bristol

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Rosberg starting last would probably have finished second.

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Adam, a balanced post and some good points you make.

However I take issue with your comment “I cannot express how distasteful I found the post race Hamilton.”

Why?

He was sorely disappointed and he did not hide the fact. F1 has a history of this kind of behavior, especially when so much is at stake. Senna was a classic case, but he for some reason is idolised, not least by the media.

I personally don’t like Button’s apathetic approach to F1 (as I see it) it’s just not that engaging for me. And yes, I am a massive Hamilton fan, but given the choice of going for a drink I’d probably choose Button, because he seems so relaxed!

This is not a beauty parade, yet increasingly driver deportment is what the media seems to think matters most.

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re: skid marks, there would have been GP2 racing before the F1 too, there might have been some left by them.

regarding Nico’s lock-ups during the race, and how they were different from the quali (I think that’s what you meant), for a racer at their level, exactly the same mistake would be very rare especially in the actual race. I assume that even though he locked up a few times but he could well sense them at the very beginning and corrected accordingly. Also in my memory most of the lock-ups happened not long before the pitstop, worn rubber might give a totally different loose end feel than when they were in the optimal range. In addition, in the quali Nico struggled from the two corners before where he went off.

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Adam your analysis of Rosberg is correct in one sense but on the final qualifying lap he’s pushing much closer to the limit, you can’t compare it to racing laps. I think it’s quite harsh for people to come out and criticise Nico, who has been an exemplary driver for Mercedes, backing off when told not to overtake his team mate, and sitting there watching Lewis sulk and insinuate, yet all the while he has been professional. The stewards see all the data no one else does so why would anyone know better? Nico has never done anything unsporting as I recall, while Hamilton has more than his fair share of jabs and fighting talk in the past. I think a person’s past character should count for something.

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Im astonish that you are expressing more outrage and disappointment in Lewis behavior as the victim after being let say Sucker punch by Rosberg.

This notion where the victim has to show grace and take the indignity and injustice with a smile,is The Refuge of Bullies.

Our society Rages on about bulling but sees those that complain as weak,no wonder kids dont report being bullied.

And in the same way why most women,dont report rape,beacuse the victims always seems to have a bigger burden….Although its not on the same level comparing the both….but the sentiment is the same……

It was of strong of Lewis to stand up to the Nico cheating…not act All Pr and pretend that its all power to the coarse tit for tat game manship….Its Cheating and went over the line of gamesmanship.

ALL in all its anormall weekend for Lewis where his intelligence and mental strength is questioned….and the inevitable mental breakdown will follow.Never mind Nico is the one that has cracked twice at the pressure moments.

so dont be concerned about Lewis cracking contray to the media meme he is one of the mentally Strongest driver on the grid.Just go look at his quali record,and go look how he always bounces back stronger than ever

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well packaged spactus, I doubt adam burns is brave enough to admit the truth. if rosberg locked up multiple times in the same place as he went off during qualifying, I missed the bit he bailed out and took to the escape road only to rejoin the race ahead of hamilton.

hamilton’s fans don’t need to ever say that they are his fans. what they post about hamilton show whether they are fans or not. adam tried to sneak that bit through too didn’t he. am sure he’s not the first to try that, just like he wasn’t the first to try the apple.

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Great post.

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Thanks for your post and for your well considered comments

Please do post again, welcome to the community!

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Tornillo Amarillo

HAMILTON is learning mind games, he just got P2 and everybody feels that that is a bad situation… Good for him, he fights, he got an DNF, but he is doing everything right, ROSBERG has an advantage just because:

1. HAMILTON did an DNF

2. he Rosberg got out of track in qualify in Monaco, that’s not a merit…

Another win from HAMILTON and a bad start or excursion from Rosberg and that’s it.

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indeed! all hose who claim no to like him think that finishing 2nd is not good enough for hamilton. they expect him to win each race but still cannot accept that he is the best driver to have stepped foot in the history of the sport and there will not be another as good in our life time.

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I’ve really tried to like Lewis. He has great skill in the car albeit a little exuberant at times. The stewards decision I feel was a good one. They have all the information, one being a former driver. Monaco is narrow, twisty, and the road is rough. Lewis missed a golden opportunity to leave the diva attitude behind him but the train has left the station. I do feel that neither of them showed much class after qualification. I would hope that Lauda has given them both a good talking to. Otherwise the dream season for Merc could be a disaster in the making. This feud that has started will effect the whole team in a negative way sooner rather than later.

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i don’t follow what’s said in curling because i don’t like it. i tend to follow what’s being said by people i like a lot more closely. am i abnormal?

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Not getting your analogy. Never mentioned curling, so I have to assumed Im getting baited here. That said, I don’t idolize any driver on the grid. I do have my likes and dislikes. I do feel that they are all subject to great pressure, both in the car and out. They both could have handled the situation in a more sportsman like manner. If they want to go to Fist City over it then do so. “Going Senna” on any driver on the grid sounds a lot like a threat to me.

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James,Hamilton has had other team mates.

Why is Rosburg getting under his skin?

I can’t recall Button and Hamilton having a strained relationship.

Is it because its a German team?

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Maybe because they know each other so well

But mainly because they clearly have a world champion car and it’s there for the taking. Rosberg stands in his way

With McLaren they had a good car, but there were others to struggle against beside Jenson. Plus Jenson is very easy going

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does rosberg stand in hamilton’s way or hamilton stand in rosberg’s way? when dust gets in your nose, you sneeze but when it gets in your eyes you weep. different situations call for different reactions.

come november, all this will amount to nothing.

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James you’ve forgotten Tweetgate when Hamilton falsely publicly accused Button of unfollowing him and then when it was confirmed Button never followed him ever, Hamilton apologised publicly. Doesn’t sound like friendly behaviour to me…

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Hamilton does have some paranoia. Like Mansell.

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I do think far too much is being read into this and if it does actually become bitter as the season goes on, one must ask how much of it is in fact driven by the media.

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No you’re right. They’re clearly just misunderstood best friends and the tension is driven entirely by the media. The same media who cleverly edited out the handshake between Lewis and Nico and then used a body double to stalk off and avoid each other. Then how they CGId Lewis saying they weren’t friends anymore.

Damn you media!!!

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At the end of the weekend, when all the dust has settled and the circuit has cleared… Hamilton and the world knows tht he has beaten rosberg to victory 4 out of 5 times that they have raced against each other this season…(we can’t really count aus since hamilton retired thru no fault of his own) whether he is mentally weak as many suggest, or that he has cracked etc etc… Its clear who the better driver is.

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Lewis won’t win all the races this season, but if he keeps it together, maintains consistency and doesn’t suffer any mre dnf’s thrs nothing, not even the heart on his sleeve that’s going to stop him frm walking away as 2014’s wdc

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Its slightly strange that Mercedes program a mode that is advantagous to a driver and then forbid them to use it. Why not disable it and keep it the drivers on equal standing.

IMHO Nico did not and would not park his car intentionally, I don’t believe he would be party to winning unfairly, and if Lewis knows him so well he should also know this..

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They’re not allowed to change the engine settings in parc ferme from what I understand and the mode is a Q3 fastest run mode. So they can’t disable it before the race. Besides you may need it if it was a last ditch emergency against a theoretically faster car (it’s not happening this year obviously!)

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I wonder if this engine mode is being “parked” in the interest of reliability and is only a “break glass in case of emergency” option; to be used only under imminent threat from a Red Bull or anyone else that finds themselves close enough to become a worry.

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Well that ‘mode’ is probably for defending or attacking other cars but they used it on each other at Bahrain no wonder they were over 2sec faster than everyone else, the speed difference was scary and its clear Merc has their own engine mode where teams like Mclaren and FI don’t have access to.

Shame Hamilton had to use it in Barcelona to retain his lead coz without it Nico would of overtaken him, poetic justice would be for Hamilton’s engine to blow up at Montreal or silverstone.

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Nowhere does it say that only Merc have this setting available.

Nico would not have overtaken him in Spain, even w/o it. Lewis has said as much. I know Nico thinks he would’ve had him with “one more lap”. Optimistic at best in Spain, where in recent years we’ve seen Pastor hold Alonso behind, and Vettel hold Lewis, over many laps in Spain.

Nico used the setting in Bahrain, and STILL couldn’t get it done. Nico knows that if Lewis got his lap in at Monaco, he would’ve had pole and then the win, and he wouldn’t have been near him thru the race. That realization is still there for Nico. So what does he do now for an encore, in the win-by-dubious-means stakes?

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Well Luis would say this, wouldn’t he?

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Are you aware that Nico was the first to use this mode in Bahrain ?

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Of course, you know Nico so well and Hamilton has only bumped into him once or twice !

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I welcome you proof that Nico did this on purpose…

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Sorry I am unable to answer that right now, I have a bit of dirt in my eye ..

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where is your proof that he didn’t do it on purpose?

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I believe whatever they think of eachother, right or wrong. Lewis should have at least shook hands or pat Nocos back. If only for the cameras. Does not send a good message to the younger ones.

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shaking hands puts water on the story. fuel is what’s required, not water.

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[Mod] I thought I noticed something strange during Thursday’s practices. He was always first to come out to the grid… and the only ‘mistake’ he has done is supposed to on that qualifying?!

Nico used to judge Hamilton negatively during those turbulent years 2007 – 2008 when Lewis was terrorized by the Stewardess. After learning about their childhood friendship, I thought Nico betrayed his friend. I also think Nico will pay a heavy price in the coming races, perhaps several DNFs.

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hamilton is the only driver who creates huge stories with the stewards.

he just have to dodge their snares and keep his eyes wide open for the predatory sneaky ones.

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Oh what I would give to also be “terrorized” by a Stewardess. 😛

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Particularly by some of the ones I work with 🙂

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Only Paddy can defuse the situation. He is an Englishman and Englishmen are known to be fair sportmen. If Paddy would analyse the data with Lewis and prove Lewis wrong. I am sure Lewis will accept. Has anyone read a statement from Paddy say Lewis is wrong about Nico’s foul?

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Lol. Paddy seems to soft. If anyone could sit down with either driver to set them straight, it would be Lauda or Wolff. (Brawn last year).

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@ martin T…englishmen are fair sportsmen? you are kidding around aren’t you?

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On the whole, are they not?

No more or less than other countries, mind, but fair regardless.

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It would be nice if they could take each other out of a race few times, so that we can see some other winners 🙂

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Hamilton’s desperation that he is Senna-reincarnate is getting more ridiculous. His unwarranted comments on Nico, and repeatedly playing up the tension is him playing to the gallery that this is another Senna vs Prost situation. Strange that nobody here is mentioning his pre-Monaco comments when he said “I can use some competition”. Nico is good at putting his head down and making the best out of any situation. Hamilton is great at throwing toys out of pram as he did during his days at Mclaren.

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please forgive me but I don’t quite understand you. if hamilton is so ridiculous, why do you follow what he says with ionospheric ferocity? i normally follow things i like and I never pay attention to things i don’t like or those i think are a load of rubbish.

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i think hamilton has handled this whole thing perfectly.

when I first saw the evidence i felt rosberg parked his car with intent but when i saw rosberg denying it and the stewards cleared him, i changed my mind and now, hamilton’s information has helped me understand that rosberg parked his car with intent as I first thought.

hamilton was right to inform the media about the data because bullies tend to hide as they bully and hamilton’s too competitive and mentally strong to allow himself to be bullied by his teammate and the f1 stewards. i guess if the had penalised rosberg, hamilton would have emerged with an extension of his lead and with the next 3 races, the championship would have become boring. nevertheless, the truth has been told and hamilton can only come out stronger. it is natural to fight even stronger when you know the whole world is against you. the good thing is hamilton has experienced this in the past when rosberg was promoted ahead of him into gp2 and f1 albeit hamilton outdrove him and is older than him.

we love underdogs!

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Drivers have to tell the media these things because otherwise nothing would ever get discovered or reported.

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Like the McLaren telemetry feed on twitter in 2012? Sure, fans love to know these sort of things. It’s just that teams don’t like it. Just merely saying that your analysis of the data prompts a different conclusion undermines the integrity of FIA and the team you work for. You’ll still have fans, but you might end up not having a team to drive for.

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he got himself there and he will be himself until he leaves. bullies don’t like being watched by the rest of the world wile they bully.

did hamilton tweet data from mclaren?

did you read that data?

what did you learn from that data?

it meant nothing to anyone even the media didn’t understand what they meant. all that was in it was the act of tweeting.

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Hamilton has not handed data over to anyone, he just keeps manipulating everyone with false promises and lies all the time and his fans are naive enough to swallow it as usual. And afterwards he is always backtracking, i didnt say that, i cant remember and so on. Ask him 3 days later about this “data” and he will claim it was all a joke.

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Post race Press Conference 😛

Q: Well done. Lewis, obviously the momentum is broken for the moment. We heard you on the radio quite a lot after the safety car and the pit stops, questioning and speaking about the strategy calls. Obviously you pitted together under the safety car. Had there been a thought that you might try to undercut Nico before that? Can you explain to us what the conversation was about?

LH: I don’t remember to be honest. I don’t. I think they saw a crash and normally under the crash we could have come in and I really should have come in but the team didn’t call us in. We really should have pitted that lap.

Q: (Dan Knutson – Auto Action and National Speedsport News) Lewis, yesterday you told the BBC that you might handle the situation with Nico like Senna would. What did you mean by that?

LH: I don’t know. I can’t really remember to be honest. I think it was just a joke. Obviously I didn’t.

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spot on.

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Well said Aveli.

Rosberg did park his car with intent.

Forza Lewis 🙂

Lewis should out qualify him in the majority of race tracks this season. Shamberg knew exactly what he did.

Not to mention destroying the times of 9 racing cars who didnt get a chance to put a proper lap time in.

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my mistaka to maka,… to say that the steward for the FIA was mark blundell when it was derek warwick. silly me. stand in the corner with your back to the class hahaha

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I think he was pushed by hamilton when he said he was hungrier because he had a much harder upbringing than rosberg.

rosberg won that battle with his parking skills but how will he win the war?

what I womder is had hamilton done what rosberg did, how big a story would it have been? bigger than when he didn’t tell the whole truth to the stewards about his incident with truli back in 2008? would the stewards have given him a race ban to spice things up?

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hamilton is the biggest f1 star. we all saw how big a story it was when hamilton was told by his team not to tell the whole story and he obeyed team orders. no driver has ever been put through that in the history of the sport. he knows this and he will use his intelligence to outplay all the players, especially those who think he is not intelligent.

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Thst was team dynamics. He was told to stay quiet by management. The same chap who ended up at Mercedes with Brawn in charge.

Which fell flat on Lewis . Who took the brunt of all the Lewis detractors he was young & naive.

Tell me me who is whiter than white. Scheuy was aa dodgy as the artful dodger regarding weight driving peoplr off the circuit & nobody gave him as much grief.

But hope he gets better soon as he is a F1 legend too.

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kenneth chapman

@ aveli…. what information has hamilton divulged that has caused you to have a damascene conversion? or are you still dreaming?

would appreciate it if you could post that ‘information’ so that we can all share your enlightenment.

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if you haven’t followed the story then i understand why you aren’t aware that hamilton said they looked at the data together with his engineers and he is convinced. he also said he wished he could show the data to the media.

not all the sites report the same stories so I tend to read different sights to fill in the gaps.

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@kenneth chapman, hamilton told the media that he wished they could see the data. suggesting that he wasn’t given a platform to present his side of the story and also that he couldn’t believe they came to that conclusion with blatant evidence before them. if they couldn’t correctly interpret the data, why couldn’t they have asked hamilton to do that for them? if rosberg knew that he didn’t do it on purpose why didn’t he say hamilton was wrong? instead he kept quiet. hamilton is confident he’s right and is not afraid of telling the truth because the truth is natural and nature wins in the end. if this goes to court, hamilton will have no trouble analysing the data for the judges and those he accuses know that so they keep their mouths shut and their heads down while the public rumble on.

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@ aveli & james…. i have just read the interview with mark blundell, the driver designate steward for the FIA. in this interview he states,’ we had all the data, including lewis’s data to overlay on nico’s. we had the FIA data, we had onboard shots, we had overhead shots we had circuit shots. we had throttle traces, braking traces, everything we needed to make, hopefully, the right decision’.

they found rosberg not guilty. he adds that, ‘all four stewards were UNANIMOUS’.

now james, you say that it was ‘inconclusive’ when blundell quite decidedly says otherwise?

just where is the discrepancy and even more important is, where is the proof that it was a ‘fix’?

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@ aveli…yes, i have been following events and my responses have been posted above re this matter. i also think that the following post by Justafan has some merit.

how can hamilton go public and put out a defamatory slur on the integrity of the FIA stewards and at the same time publicly denigrate rosberg is beyond me.

this is no small matter as the outcome could, under certain circumstances, affect the WDC outcome not to mention the WCC and the allocation of many tens of millions of prize money.

someone is telling serious porkies here and they need to be held to account.

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the guy is a lot more intelligent than some give him credit for. do you think the bullies will repeat it with the knowledge that he might just show the data to the media?

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I remember Luis showing data to the media on lesser occasions. You bet he would show data to the media if the stakes are high like this. If there would be something to show that supports his claim, that is.

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Lewis hasn’t grown up we saw this behaviour back in 2007. Lewis has a problem in that he is more highly rated than Nico yet he can’t shake him at the moment and this is playing on his mind. While Lewis is sleeping in Nico will be turning every stone to make sure he beats Lewis.

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How do you shake someone (who had a 25-point head-start) in 6 races?

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Umm, you don’t think the DNF is the major factor in that? Take out AUS, and Lewis would be 21 pts up.

Lewis can only lose the title thru DNF’s. Even if Lewis ends with one more DNF (as currently) I believe he still wins. Two more makes it very tricky, as you’re likely giving up 50 pts to your teammate. Imagine if Nico had one more DNF than Lewis? Over, right?

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It seems strange that LH has to emphasize that he drove fairly all weekend. The obvious implication is he hasn’t done so in the past, as the record shows. Just because you cheated and lied in the past and got caught doesn’t mean others will do the same.

There is a lot more to this story that hasn’t leaked out to the public going back to Bahrain where LH apparently used less than “gentlemanly and pre agreed” tactics to stay in front of NR, and NR countered by apparently engaging the “overtake” button. Neither side is completely innocent here.

Seriously Lewis, grow up! You are alienating a large number of your fans with your childish and petulant attitude. Take the high road for a change.

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Hamilton did great after all, but surely the guys at mercedes were hard at work trying to prevent a major mess up from their drivers.

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Hi James , please can you confirm that the reason the stewards did not penalise Nico was “there was no evidence to suggest so”. I am confused by this as appart from Nico admitting it what evidence is there?? I know they can look at telemetry but come on this is a pro driver. He knows what he is doing. I beleive Nico knew exactly what he was doing. I also am not so naive as to think that the stewards or Mercedes could or would do anything. I am dissapointed that LH could not be more humble as this would I beleive have underminded Nico,s position.

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It was inconclusive

So he might have done it deliberately but there is no smoking gun proof

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James, I don’t see why the yellow flag… I mean, it was obvious that nothing happened, the car went to a safe place, did not litter the race track, then why the yellow flags…. come on… specially when it was less than a minute to finish the qualifying… looks very fishy to me.

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It’s Monaco, the marshals rightly err on the side of caution when something happens, as does the Race Director.

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That’s not how Toto, Lauda, or the Stewards describe it. There is no hint of it being ‘inconclusive’.

It’s pretty clear, there was no deliberate malintent. It’s hard to fake it, even Schumacher the 7 time WDC in his pomp couldn’t do it.

Lets be real. James normally you are much better than buying into and/or promoting cloudy BS about a matter that’s pretty clear.

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@ james…. now you’re doing it as well? why all this secrecy? the inference in your post is that hamilton has proof of rosberg’s cheating.

surely someone has the cojones to publish the ‘real’ facts, if there are any, that overturns the stewards decision.

if F1, in all it’s guises’, seriously thinks that we are dumb enough to simply accept a ‘glossover’ what could be a determining factor in the WDC and by doing so shield their stewards from scrutiny then they are wrong.

what is different to ‘match fixing’ if what some see as a ‘fix’?i am really disgusted at this prevailing attitude and also i am surprised that someone like red bull don’t lodge a further protest at the outcome.

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No, the point is there is no proof

That’s what the stewards said

People have their suspicions, but that is all they are – suspicions

Race is over & result is official. That’s it, we move on

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Michael Frennesson:

Schumacher learned the trade from his big role model Senna. However there isn’t a Senna on track anymore so people are no more executing rude stunts.

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So, sounds like James thinks Nico did it deliberately! but there is ‘…no smoking gun proof.’ and ‘…I can’t break confidences to explain.’

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Michael Frennesson

Michael Schumacher wasn’t as good at this as Nico. Three attempts – three failures. 1. Adelaide against Damon Hill: Even that he got away with it regarding the stewards he couldn’t fool the public. 2. Against Jacques Villeneuve – can I do it once and get away with it I can do it twice. Well, in that case you should do it better. 3. Monaco – such an embarrissing attempt from one of the greatest.

So these attempts was never Schumachers speciality. Nico was much smarter and for that he should have credit. Remember also that Nico outperformed Schumacher on the track 🙂

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@James Allen.

Then I will take your word for it. I have that high a regard for you.

SM

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It’s not as simple as that but I can’t break confidences to explain.

You’ll have to take my word for it

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James, why did the stewards not address the fact that Nico reversed back onto the track, since that’s what led to the disruption of the qualifying? We can buy that the initial mistake (locking up then taking to the little side road) was legit. No argument there. But I’m not hearing it put to anyone (stewards, drivers, etc) about the *reversing* specifically.

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well james, that summary seems to conflict with hamilton’s jab. he claims to have ‘seen’ evidence to the contrary but can’t share it?

what has he ‘seen’ that the stewards haven’t had access to?

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@ samir….. once again you are using supposition to support the outcome. hamilton has stated categorically that he has ‘seen something’ which i take it to mean that he has the evidence that rosberg cheated.

to say that he cannot divulge what that ‘something’ is a very low act insofar as he has determined that rosberg acted nefariously but hides behind the so called secrecy!

in a court of law it would be laughable and to denigrate a persons character in such a fashion would be actionable.

i would love to know what the FIA believe should be done. surely they have the wherewithall to ‘subpoena’ this new evidence that hamilton is blagging about.

here we have a saying, ‘money up or shut up’. kind of apt don’t you think?

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Do you really expect Lewis to be impartial on the issue? He will say what ever advances his ideas. Same as Nico.

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According to Autosport’s race report, the stewards were divided about assigning a penalty to Rosberg, and possibly decided to give the benefit of the doubt. It’s entirely possible that Lewis could find something because he is either (1) unlikely to give the benefit of doubt to unusual looking data (2) better at studying the data than the stewards (3) using a broader dataset than what the steward’s “chose” to use (4) there is politics behind the steward’s decision. It was in the best interests of many of the sport’s organizers for Rosberg to win in Monaco. The other outcome was a severe penalty (last on the grid) which would effectively put Hamilton around 25+ points to the clear, and kill interest in the title.

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I have no idea.

The stewards have access to everything, of course.

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Why all the talk about the going off.. For me the issue was the reversing.. Back onto a track that still had a session running? Madness. If a driver gets a penalty for blocking a driver on a run, surely a reversing driver is worse? I have not seen anything about the stewards reviewing that? James can you please advise on that?

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No smoke. But plenty of steam!

Honestly, if he did it deliberately it was absolutely flawless/perfect delivery.

I’m talking, if Nico was a figure skater, that would be a 4.5 difficulty level program he pulled off, with perfectly executed landing. Super high artistic marks. RANK: P1! 🙂

I think we just need to stop asking at this point, really. If they boy did it on purpose, he did it so damn well he deserves it. End of story. And if not, well, sh…tuff happens. That’s life.

Either way, Lewis is steaming. I think if I was Lewis I’d actually hope it was on purpose. I wouldn’t want to believe F1 Gods conspired against me like that.

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So what your saying is if someone cheats but they do it so well that they get away with it, then that’s alright ? It was alright when Nelson spun in Singapore to hand Alonso the win then ? Until of course he admitted doing it that is !

No doubt you think Bernie is an angel because there wasn’t enough evidence to convict him in the UK ?

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“I always remember with Lewis that when we had a tussle in a race, or there was an issue between us or with the team, he would have a really bad race and be quite outspoken and quite emotional about it,” Button says on Reuters. “And the next race he would destroy me, he would come there and be stronger than ever.”

This just proves the point I raised in earlier thread.

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Well the stage is set then, Montreal is the place where his destroying of Rosberg should happen, not only does it go with your theory but also at his best track, time to blow Nico away by lapping him and the entire field.

Can you imagine what would happen if Nico somehow manages to put up a fight during the race? I wonder who would implode.

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Lapping him? Yeah, you don’t ask for much, do ya?

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Good point! On paper it’s a Hamilton slam dunk, but if he’s not on his A game mentally and the result slips, that could really put the cat among the pigeons.

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James, everyone thought Senna was the better driver yet Prost beat him while they were team mates. Then everyone thought Alonso was the better driver yet Hamilton beat him while they were team mates. Later everyone thought Hamilton was the better driver yet Button beat him while they were team mates. Could there be a pattern in this? For sure now everybody thinks Hamilton is the better driver. Hmmm… the past shows not always the driver of which people think is the better one wins in the end.

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Let them at it i say! Makes it more interesting for the rest of the season.

Hamilton will be too strong for Nico in Canada but its usually a mad race so you never know. Its Malaysia last year all over. Nothing quite like some inter team squabbling.

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I honestly can’t decide if I believe Nico or not about the “mistake” but once he was cleared by the stewards of any wrongdoing that was the end of it really.

What Lewis should have done then is accepted that decision instead of going off in a sulk. Instead, he has done damage to his own image when really all he needed to do was sit back and let the doubts over Nico’s mistake get all the media coverage.

Whether it was a ‘mistake’ or intentional, Nico has successfully used the circumstances to wind up Lewis and undermine him with both the team and the media. Where were Lewis’s PR advisors when all this was going on!

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This is so manipulated & fake I can’t even believe it. It has all the chemistry of 8 year olds pretending to be Prost & Senna.

It just smacks of Mercedes knowing they are pencilled in to win EVERY SINGLE RACE this year and be firm favourites for the next few years as well the way the rules are, knowing that it will be impossible to sell interest in 2 buddies sharing wins & hugs after every domination so they’ll manufacture a rivalry instead. Yes I think the entire thing down to the qualifying incident could have been a setup. Certainly the reaction to it is one.

So after being at the front of F1 for 7 years with no personality whatsoever, Lewis is gonna start being all ‘Senna’ like cos he was the moody, cool one. To me Lewis is just acting like a total donkey & losing respect in fivefolds by behaving like this.

Here is the thing – you can’t fake this. Senna v Prost was organic, it was natural that they were fierce rivals. Schumacher v Hill & Villeneuve & Hakkinen was based on the natural result of his dubious moves against those drivers. This is 2 old school buddies pretending that one is Senna & one is Prost. It’s pretty lame, in my onion.

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Red Bull/Renault had their chance but messed up. The Red Bull car is as good as ever, just that Daniel is better than Seb at driving it.

The engines will be better next year, but perhaps so will Mercedes and so it goes on.

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Based on what? How about the fact that Vettel inherited Webber’s bad luck? And how about Vettel being moved over for their new wonder child in the races?

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When I say the Red Bull car, I mean the chassis as it’s the engine that lets the package down. I don’t think this car particularly suits Vettel’s style, but Ricciardo has taken to it like a duck to water. It does have to be said that Vettel has had more than his fair share of reliability problems. I don’t think luck can be inherited as its more to do with the intrinsic nature of the car.

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Didn’t know onions could be lame I learn something new everyday.

But you’re right the whole thing is lame, the Formula Mercedes championship is lame and so is Toto Wolff pretending he is so important reaping the rewards of Brawn’s hard work in recent years and all the money Mercedes has spent, the whole thing is a farce.

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What dubious move did Schumacher against Hakkinen?

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Almost killing him Spa 2000

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AAAH, that dreadful episode. Although I think you confused Hakkinen with Coulthard there.

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yes, it certainly is lame.

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Nico is always positive and Lewis is always negative, he thinks everyone is against him. In Spain he went against team orders by turning his engine up and now he has the cheek to say Nico went off on purpose. He didn’t or he would of been punished.

I just can’t like the guy, every time he says something its a question with intention of blame. He went as far as bringing NICO’s upbringing into it?? Its not like he was lucky enough that his old man bought him equipment and transported him to races etc. He is acting like a spoilt little brat all the time.

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Lewis’s behaviour is getting increasingly tiresome. Stop with the petty little mind games and have the “fair” fight that you talk about.

Now we hear he used the boost in Barcelona which Lauda has said is wrong. Is Lewis big enough to come out and publicly admit it and say he made a mistake? Whether one believes Nico deliberately locked up and drove into the run off area, he was big enough to say he made a mistake.

What does Lewis do? Rant on the radio about pit strategy and afterwards says “I honestly do not remember”. Rant about solving things “the Senna way” and next day say “I don’t honestly remember”.

Is that a sign of a mature sportsman?

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How about Rosberg using that exact same forbidden setting in Bahrain?

And from the reports that circulated that story, most stated that Lewis apologised but that Rosberg didn’t! The fact is you or I don’t know so why be a gossip monger? Personally I assume that after the heat of battle, both probably do communicate behind the scenes.

Monaco this year was certainly not a fair fight – the fact is that Rosberg benefited from his mistake and enjoyed an easy win due to the nature of the circuit.

Lewis was top in FP1, 2nd to Alonso in FP2, fastest in FP3 and in Q2 so where this rubbish about Rosberg having the edge all weekend came from I do not know.

I agree that Lewis’s outburst on strategy was unprofessional however your post reeks of bias.

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If you live with someone in the same apartment building,known him for years and been in the same team twice together,yet intentionally leave him out of your wedding invitations,you sending out a clear message.

. We can say well,it’s personal and choose to invite whom l like,there was something wrong right there,and l think,that sealed the end of their friendship.

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Yeah, that was odd. Can’t be friends in that case. Acquaintances at best.

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In addition when Eddie Jordan was doing the podium interviews in Spain, Nico had another little dig saying ” Eddie is my number one favourite neighbour in Monaco.”………..when he has Lewis living just a few doors away.

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has hamilton had a wedding?

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Alas, Lewis did not learn from his similar brushes in the past with Massa. The stakes were not so high then, but Massa discovered that LH is real easy to upset and get in a state. This gave Massa a useful weapon which he used repeatedly.

Guess what Rosberg is going to do? Yep. More of the same.

Unless Lewis can learn to stay cool.

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Massa didn’t get into Lewis’ head, he just drove into him race after race. Admittedly Lewis shouldn’t have been putting himself in those situations.

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I think Hamilton doesn’t understand his position and behaves as if he doesn’t believe he is stronger and capable of winning it.

Why the guy can’t understand that he needs his team to support him at a decisive moment? This kind of behavior can force Wolff and Lauda to support Rosberg.

Merc is very dominant and they can win the title with either driver, so it is up to them to decide and Hamilton is not helping himself.

I think what he should do it this:

1. Accept the fact that things cannot always go his way and just be stronger, be more mature

2. He is not 100% certain that Nico did it on purpose – why offend the guy? Stewards analyzed the case and found Nico not guilty – end of story. Hamilton should accept it

3. He should come after the race, congratulate to Rosberg and thank his team that he’s got this great opportunity to fight for the win

4. He should come to Wolff and Lauda humble and say that sadly it did not go his way this weekend and he could have taken P1 if not for the yellow flag, but it wasn’t mean to be. But next time, he will do his absolute best and hopes that team will support him

Humility is the most important thing, Lewis and it doesn’t mean you are weak…actually it shows you are extremely strong when you are humble. You can be humble and relentless at the same time.

Hamilton should not make Wolff or Lauda angry because they might decide to give the title to Nico. He should know it and remember it.

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Agree 100% drive the car and win the WDC Lewis forget all of this Senna nonsense .

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Really????

Was Schumacher humble or Alonso,

The only person to crack this weekend was Nico when he locked up, luckily for him it worked out.

I don’t particularly like Lewis when he gets one of his massive sulks on, but….

Hamilton still drove a faultless race, Rosberg was locking up before the safety car came to his rescue to prevent any possibility of under or over cut.

All the top drivers throw there rattles out of the pram when things don’t go the way they want.

Lewis has already won a WDC under terrific pressure it would have been so easy to drop the car in desperation in those final corners in 2008….he didn’t…..much to a lot of peoples annoyance.

We are talking about someone who has taken on Alonso and come out on top.

A race where Lewis doesn’t win and suddenly he has a mental weakness?

Grasping at straws more like.

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100% greed AlexD.

Which is why I think this whole Monaco episode, when you sum it up, exposed a huge weakness in Lewis. We could actually say, that when a perfectly executed circumstance comes up, Lewis shows to not have the necessary mental toughness. I thought Nico carried himself much better through the whole situation.

In fact, as this is just a Marketing effort, it may be an issue of who represents the brand better at this point. And while there are stains on Lewis’ record, I’m not sure that’s the case about Nico.

However, Mercedes surely recognizes that to the English speaking world and to China perhaps Lewis connects more?

I just don’t know. All I know is that however he did it, Nico is the “better son” this week. But thing is, it’s not like the “W” was ever at risk.

What really will swing the team in support of one driver is if there is suddenly an outside threat to the 1-2s, and one finishes P1 while the other P3. Then things will turn.

Could that be Canada if Renault have “Da Power”?

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I am surprised that Hamilton is not smarter. He is always speaking too emotionally – he is racing his heart out??? As if Nico or Alonso or Hulkenberg are chilling out. Niso was racing his heart out every bit as was Hamilton. All I see is super ego of Hamilton.

He is not wise. He wants to win every battle and this way he can lose the war. He should target to win the war and sometimes it is OK to lose a battle, just like in Monaco. Accept it, get stronger, move on – no need to create tension and more work for the team that gave you a chance to fight for the championship. Make their life easier and they will reward you for this. Be wiser.

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Canada’s long straights will ensure nothing gets close to the Merc.

Lewis has recently been named the most marketable driver on the grid, from a purely financial perspective Mercedes would be better off throwing their weight behind him but from what we know about this team’s ethics that will simply not happen.

I predict an open fight throughout the rest of the season with Rosberg pipping Lewis due to another DNF or some other circumstance maybe at Abu Double, Lewis – like Alonso is another great racer who just doesn’t have the luck in F1, Australia was an omen.

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If only … whatever the rights and wrongs Lewis has allowed himself to be out psyched – or maybe out psyched himself –

either way not great. Did he learn nothing from Button?

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How can the guy be so freaking certain that he would have taken the pole position, is the other guy a bunny or what? Rosberg did beat him fair and square on their first run in Q3. And Rosbergs S1 time was marginally quicker than Hamilton’s S1 time on 2nd run.

Hamilton without any evidence indicating Rosberg cheated is again extremely immoral as raising doubts about someones integrity is very serious when you don’t have any evidence. Had the stewards found Rosberg guilty, then it’d have all made sense. Sorry Lewis I respect you as a racer but your actions this weekend were questionable.

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i agree with you. if someone accused me of something so heinous without any evidence

it’d be nose-punching time.

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This is probably one of the best posts I have read on the internet regarding this feud. I am a Hamilton supporter but I gritted my teeth at his various outbursts and inability to play the consummate professional this weekend. On the other hand it is nothing but entertainment for us the viewer in an era of PR speak and no emotion, just painful to see Lewis give his many, many detractors more material after such an epic run of wins.

I must say he is due some luck but rarely gets it… Rosberg has already had the Aus DNF, the Bahrain safety car and the Monaco Q1 so far..!

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Don’t forget the contact with Bottas at the start in China. Quite incredible that there was no damage.

The only bad luck I see is his lost telemetry in China, though in the end it didn’t impact his result (he was never gonna catch HAM in CHN having started 4th).

Nico’s currently on a 15-race points streak, the longest current streak out there by some ways (ALO on 9), and the joint-8th longest points streak of all time.

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I have to agree with the strategy (although I am quite a bit older than either driver, and a fairly dispassionate observer).

About point 2 though: the stewards only ruled that they didn’t see any evidence that the rules had been broken. Lewis apparently looked at the traces too, and came to a different conclusion. Obviously, he’s hardly impartial, but is probably also very familiar with Nico’s traces, and much better placed to decide if anything is strange about them.

It would be pretty difficult to be sanguine in that position.

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James Clayton

“the stewards only ruled that they didn’t see any evidence that the rules had been broken.”

‘any evidence’ would not be enough. They would have to be able to prove ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ to be able to impose a penalty. That would have been *very* difficult.

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I suspect Lewis will be back with a vengeance at Montreal. It’s pretty close between this and Hungary as to which is his strongest track, as he really is in a league of his own at these two places.

This will not result in some major calamity on the track. Mercedes will not let it get to that point. Mercedes they are taking the right approach with these two, which is to essentially put the little children in a corner for time out. They’ve removed their capability to change their engine settings- which is one of very few options that drivers have to try to gain a performance advantage at certain times in the race. That really is the equivalent to taking a belt to their backsides. And I am sure that Niki Lauda will have plenty of tough words for them.

They will be fighting each other like hell and will hate each other, but they won’t wreck.

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Hamilton and Alonso got over their differences, so Nico and Hamilton will eventually get over their differences at a stage. If any of them is happy to finish second in a possible championship winning car, then it would be better for that driver to sign up with Caterham or Marussia.

At least the situation confirms that they are actually racing each other and will continue doing so.

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Put Lewis and Alonso in the same team and see how they got over their differences!

Distance and seperation got them over it. You think Spanish blooded dude forgets how he lost a WDC thanks to you?

Have you ever seen Lewis and Alonso hug it out? 🙂

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Lewis and Alonso on the same team. Duel of the divas…

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Alonso and Hamilton got over it, that’s the truth. So Nico and Hamilton will surely get over it one way or the other. Senna and Prost got over theirs, Niki and Prost got over it too. I am sure that they will get over it with time separated or in the same team, who cares. They are racing each other and have not crashed into each other (yet) that’s what matters. So all is good.

At least we have something to talk about while we wait the next round. If this incidence haven’t happen @Sebee, nobody would have seen you in this forum as you would have be home alone nursing the trashing Ricciardo gave to your Vettel.

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Absolutely.

If Mercedes had a clear No.1 driver policy this season would be the dullest since 2004.

Merc’s decision to let its drivers race is as good for the sport as it is for Bernie’s coffers. Canada can’t come soon enough!

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Yes, the situation at McLaren was resolved when the non-British driver left the British Team.

The situation at M-B will be resolved likewise.

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AMG Mercedes F1 is a German-Anglo team. They will fight it out and will resolve the matter whenever they feel like. I am not in a hurry to see them being friends again.

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Hi James, could you confirm that Nico was the first to use an additional engine mode in Bahrain. Is this true or was it Lewis in Barcalona? Thanks!

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You know, the thing is this…

Nico was actually using overtake to try and…overtake.

Isn’t word that Lewis used it to defend?

That was a Mercedes engine going poof in Monaco. These boys better lay off the boost.

Honestly, why do they even have this mode? Can’t MB disable it? Who are they going to be passing this year? So if only each other, they can do it on even terms with no overtaking mode.

Crazy glue the button Toto!

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It’s a qualifying-only engine mode. As Coulthard has said, it’s like putting candy in front of a kid, and expecting them not to open it when you’re not looking.

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Yes. Rightly or wrongly the rule the team made was you weren’t supposed to use the overtake mode to defend your position.

Nico was using the overtake mode to try and overtake which was allowed, Lewis used it to defend which was against team orders – hence Lewis had to apologise and Nico didn’t.

This is being spun by the Hamilton camp as “Nico used an engine map Lewis wasn’t allowed to” implyng that Nico did something wrong first when Nico was actually obeying team rules.

Seems a silly rule to me, but its Mercedes car and its their rule…

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It’s not an overtake mode, it’s a qualifying mode meant for limited use. Extended use could be detrimental to the engine which must last five races. That all said driver will use it if push comes to shove so what they need to do is disable it for the race, but I suspect they won’t do that because there may come a situation where they may allow it even in the race but for limited duration.

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Wrong!!

Its a qualifying mode that neither are supposed to use during a race.

Why would you ever give a driver a mode that he could only use to overtake and not defend.

Think about it man.

It makes Lewis defense in Bahrain even more impressive.

Nico had more engine power and still couldn’t pass Lewis.

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Nico wasn’t supposed to use it either.

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Who said it was an overtake mode?

It was an engine mode that neither was supposed to use.

Nico decided to ignore the instruction and use it.

Nice to see how you castigate Lewis if you deem him to be at fault and make excuses for Nico.

Mind you we all know how you are smarting over Vettels problems so only to be expected.

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reports suggest rosberg invented the used of that engine mode technique and hamilton imitated him.

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I think Wolff said it was Nico, then Lewis.

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Lewis will trounce nico and all ths will blow over.

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unF1nnished business

Will it though? I have little doubt who the better driver is at Mercedes, but when it comes to attitude and teamwork, it’s hard to be a fan of his sometimes.

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If Nico wins in Canada that will be like an overhand right from Riddick.

Remember, with the kibosh placed on “overtake” mode for defending, Lewis may not have it all his way. Neither will Nico.

Finally, these two took the gloves off. Now off with the helmets gentlemen, and let’s dance!

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Thing is, will nico even see lewis rear wing in montreal, silverstone and budapest? Ham is massively quick at these circuits. To be fair, we know wat happened in aus, its old news now tho. And wrt monaco, conspiracy theories apart, more thn likely lewis wouldve been on pole and in all likelihood wouldve won th race… Apart frm lewis’ misfortune, when has rosberg really went out and done somethin great since monaco last year?

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Mike from Colombia

Nico only inherits wins when greater driver’s suffer misfortune or underperform.

The guy has yet to win a race proper IMO.

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Fighting talk!

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As it stands, its 4-1 in lewis’ favour ( we can’t really count aus)

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Well, I guess we never gonna have closure on th monaco qualy topic but they did go head to head in the race… Other thn this he’s only taken th race win from hamilton at monaco last year. Britain too, as in the case of aus this year, he inherited the win… With that being said, bring on canada!

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You can’t count monaco either because in my view he was prevented from completing his final qualifying run by a “mistake” from Rosberg.

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Mark Hughes’ report is quite damning.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/reports/2014-monaco-gp-report/

“So did he do it on purpose? The front-on shot was the most damning for him. It showed him sawing away at the wheel as if correcting a squirming rear end under braking – except the rear wasn’t squirming at all but simply following his lead on the steering.”

There needs to be more uproar about this kind of cheating…ruined qualifying for a lot of drivers. Rosberg’s celebrations and claims of a “special” win equally illustrates that Nico has a skewed moral compass. Mercedes appears to be defending him to avoid a PR fiasco, as though it will prevent people from buying BMWs and Audis. Not may people in the F1 fraternity courageous enough to put their neck on the line and express their real feelings. Someone who does is criticized for being petulant. Sigh!

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Alain Prost used a similar approach against Ayrton Senna, Didier Pironi against Gilles Villeneuve: once they had arrived at the realisation that the guy in the other championship-contending car on the other side of the garage could drive it faster, they had to find some other way to compete with them.

Ouch.

Don’t for a second believe that Merc don’t know the real story. So yeah, they’ll protect him in public, but I can’t see how that bolsters his case within the team. Surely Merc don’t want questions as to the worthiness of their eventual DWC champion to be the story of this season.

Could turn out to be a tactical win, strategic loss for Rosberg.

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I think you’ll find there’s been quite a decent uproar 🙂

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I believe Rosberg had a choice,he made a quick decision to go of the track rather than have Hamilton get a better lap time,then chose to reverse to make doubly sure it would spoil Hamilton’s lap.

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“except the rear wasn’t squirming at all but simply following his lead on the steering.” I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw it !

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Samir: Interesting read that by Mark Hughes and I largely agree with what he says. There’s no doubt in my mind Rosberg [mod] and he should be brought to book over it. I wonder if the FIA actually have the power to do that retrospectively after the race?

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Very interesting read, thinks for that.

Seems Lewis is far from alone in thinking that things were not as innocent as seemed.

I thought Nico was beyond things like that but since learning that he started this mistrust in Bahrain with the use of a engine mode neither was supposed to use my opinion is changing.

Apparently its 50/50 in the paddock as to whether he meant it or not.

Given all that its not surprising that Lewis is suspicious.

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I actually used to quite like Nico and knew he was a good driver when he didn’t have the car to demonstrate it, but after this he’s gone down in my opinion. As regards Lewis I have a great regard for his sporting integrity. That business with the stewards when he was with McLaren can be discounted as he was lead into it by his sporting director towing the “company” line. Lewis now needs to put this all behind him, keep his head down, and keep notching up the wins in spite of his team mates cheating.

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Mike from Colombia

I feel that Mark Hughes, Johnny Herbert and Anthony Davidson have the highest level of integrity out there.

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Got to love all the drama!

No matter who is right or wrong the fall out makes for far more interesting viewing.

Who would want to see them being nice to each other at every race?

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I don’t want them being nice, but causing a yellow flag intentionally to prevent his rival from clinching the pole is unfair, I don’t want anyone to win like that. Gearing up his engine settings against the advice of the team is fine with me, it’s F1 driver trying to get to the finish line as quick as possible, trying to take as much drivers’ points as possible (the only championship that counts), and, last but not least, taking risk of a subsequent engine failure.

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I think Rosberg should of dedicated his Monaco pole to Schumacher, as it was a Schumacher esq lap to seize pole 😉

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David Murdoch

+1!

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#Schumacher #pole70

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Both didn’t cover themselves in glory this weekend. But because of it we get to see 2 team mates (being allowed to race) and get under each others skin.

Nico could of been more gracious on the Saturday after the mistake. He should of also had the decency to just park the car and wait for the session to be over. He’s an intelligent guy and would of been aware of the situation he had caused.

If Lewis thought it was wrong then he should of been the bigger man. Looked him in eye shook his hand on Sunday then vowed to himself to crush him on the race track for the rest of the season. While not having to say a word or be evasive.

Thank goodness Mercedes let their guys race! The management have been good dealing with the topic so far this season. I’m sure they knew a situation like this would arise and they still allow it.

Could of been one flat season at the top if these two were controlled more by the team. Bravo Mercedes! Roll on Montreal!

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Lewis Hamilton is coming off like a self-centered fool. He brought up the questioning of Nico’s hunger, effectively saying that Nico comes from luxury and so isn’t as hungry. Later he clarified by saying that he used to travel on Keke’s private jet with Nico and visit Nico’s home when young. He basically said they were childhood friends and that he idolised Keke to a degree. Does that mean days later you can question the integrity of someone, deny they are friends, and not congratulate him let alone look his way when he won a race? Nico has congratulated him every time. It all seems very spiteful for someone who apparently was treated as a friend before. The fact that Hamilton deliberately cheated on Spain and had to apologize privately makes it all the more damning.

I guess being a millionaire and living your dream can’t buy a class act nowadays. And I understand British fans are starved for true winners in F1 (and several other sports they love) but that shouldn’t mean blindly ignoring petulance. I think if this is mature Lewis Hamilton what was he doing in 2007? We already know he started the Alonso war there by cheating on an agreement initially. The way Hamilton has been talking to his team not just this race but the one before, he sounds more like an angry child. I’ve seen many primarily British fans point the finger and toss the overused “toys out the pram” line they love on Alonso and Vettel but I’ve never heard Alonso nitpick and insult his team like that on the radio… and this is while having the fastest car by a country mile.

My appreciation for Nico has increased, we saw how last time he was asked to not overtake his team mate by Ross Brawn and he listened, he didn’t moan about it. This time beside Hamilton’s incessant jabs at the press conference he never waivered from being loyal to PR and Mercedes. At least he’s shown a level of restraint and maturity. That’s my rant for the day.

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Alonso never moans and nitpicks – hilarious. What did he call the team during Monza quali’ last season ? Idiots, I believe was the word he used to describe them. I expect LDM public rebuke for Alonsos critisim of the team didn’t really happen and it was really LDM praising him.

Rosberg certainly did moan about being asked to hold station by Ross. He couldn’t actually make the overtake stick and after Hamilton had retaken the lead Ross came on the radio and told them to hold position and Rosberg was moaning he was so much faster and at the end of the race he told the team to remember this.

Unfortunately, posters like you only see, hear and remember what fits your argument. Perhaps if you wrote the truth you would get more support from other posters .

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Good rant.

I can understand both sides of the argument, but unfortunately, when you construct a such well-put comment on an English language forum, it is going to fall on mostly deaf ears due to favoritism and patriotism…

There probably are some logical and rational readers out there, who understand, but due to being grossly outnumbered, you won’t see many +1`s.

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Aw 🙂 well put gubnah’. I completely concur with your analysis of the situation. Few and far between and indeed outnumbered. It’s good to know a fellow logical fan is around though.

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Don’t want to judge Nico’s actions, but I am glad he turned out to be someone able to kick a certain world champion’s ass rather than becoming one more whiner. “Competitive animals know no limits”. Surprised at how bad Lewis handled the situation – could have shown himself morally superior, did the opposite.

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I think the only tension, the only psychological warfare thats going on, is Nico and Lewis both frantically trying to figure out how to conquer and tame the wild speculation, and the eternal exagerations by the motoring press on their perceived feud. Sure, they might not be happy with eachother, but boy does James Allen & pals blow this up.

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Maybe if you were there and saw the whole thing with your own eyes, with people you’ve known their whole careers, you’d see it differently

But it is so much easier to sit in a remote location and sound off isn’t it?

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My bigger concern is that these doubts exist and are happening more often.

F1 has lost my trust. I don’t always believe what I see is real any more. Did he make a mistake or didn’t he? Did he use this setting or that setting? Is he really angry or playing to the camera? compounded with the technological gimmicks, petty politics and rule manipulation F1 has become a spectacle rather than a sport to me.

I don’t watch nowadays, I have much more fun reading all the comments

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Hi James,

I don’t think there is an insult in his comment but you have to agree to some extend that the media in general is exaggerating the psychological warfare between the two to have a great story to read.

By this I’m not refering to JamesAllenonf1.com but just look at the gptoday website and filter on Hamilton or Rosberg.

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As you are close to it, James, what’s your view on Risberg’s mental strength. Hamilton was clearly like a caged tiger baying for blood, the innocent wronged. Do you think this will trouble Rosberg at all?

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No. But he knows he’s trying to hold back a tidal wave

If he’d lost Monaco to HAM he would also lose Montreal and that would be 6 on the bounce- Austria who knows and then Silverstone will favour Hamilton

That’s why Monaco was so important for Rosberg

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Of course, they have been starved of a story this year and this fits the bill

But I disagree that this is being fed by the media. Hamilton could have taken a PR approach at the weekend and deliberately chose not to, rather to put the story out there. You can’t blame the media for reacting, even if as always many of them over react.

But like I said – if you were there and you knew these drivers for many years you would probably see it as I have.

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Aye. It is, and they do.

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Ouch! Touche James lol. But I’m sure JackTorrance wants to be there… We all do, but aren’t quite lucky enough. Just take his opinion as an opinion…

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James, it is not worth answering all comments from armchair experts. Not all the information is available to tv broadcasters and it is a bit like court reporting – You have to be there for the whole court proceedings or you can only make judgements based on the limited space given to the print journalist. Three column inches cannot cover seven hours in the court.

Same with the issue at Monaco.

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I think lewis Hamilton needs to stop blaming everyone else every time things don’t go his way. Look at the history. Tension between Hamilton and Alonso at Ferrari. Tension between Hamilton and button at McLaren and now with rosberg. But of course never Hamiltons fault

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Always the victim, never to blame. You are quite right there.

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Hamilton at Ferrari?

Confusion cloudeth thine mind.

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Hopefully lewis will calm down when he realises that pitting early would maybe put his 2nd place under threat, and definitely if he had to stack up behind rosberg immediately after seeing the crash

The safety car was deployed 35 seconds into the next lap, so lewis would exit the pit and have to slow to a delta time while Rosberg, Kimi and others would have gone through that sector of the track normally because the safety car hadnt been deployed yet

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Good point.

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I feel sorry for Lewis ……….. a couple of years ago his driving could barely shake off Massa, now it seems he can’t shake off Nico.

World sportsman he may be, top drawer F1 driver? Not yet, and not by a long way.

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He shook off Alonso pretty well, by your reckoning he’s not a top drawer F1 driver either, correct?

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I don’t think he needs your pity.

Good objective analysis. Weird how people who run F1 don’t see how talentless Hamilton is but you see right through. You’re special.

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Rather than being consumed with rage by the thought of “et tu Nico”, Lewis would be mindful to remember that the fualt is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are no masters of the universe. He should be gracious enough to accept that he was squarely outpaced by Nico throughout the race weekend, and consider himeself fortunate that his exagerrated petulence did not cost him second place to the exemplary Daniel. Nothing less than an abject abject apology to all, not least Prince Albert, will do to rectify his unsportmanlike behaviour during the presentation ceremony and post race interviews.

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Darrell Steele

Going into the next few races if Lewis keeps his head that is, I think nico will find it hard to beat Lewis if everything goes accordi