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Domenicali: Raikkonen knows that, for Ferrari, finishing second is a tragedy
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Posted By: James Allen  |  12 Feb 2014   |  7:06 am GMT  |  296 comments

Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali says that his team has started the new era of hybrid turbo technology “in the right way” and added that in new signing Kimi Raikonnen he has a driver who knows that for Ferrari, “finishing second is a tragedy.”

In an extensive interview with Gazzetta dello Sport today, the 48 year old team principal says that there he is pleased with the way his team has responded to falling short the last few years – he has a photo on his office wall of the 2010 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix debacle which cost Fernando Alonso and Ferrari the world title; a reminder not to get complacent as things can change quickly in F1.

Ferrari’s new engine covered 444 laps of Jerez in the back of the works car, the Sauber and the Marussia, which made a late start and the works car seemed to be able to do the mileage without too many problems.

“In a very different kind of contest from previous years we needed to confirm certain fundamental parameters and we have done that,” said Domenicali. “It is a sign of the robustness of our project which gives us hope. But we must be careful; in terms of performance we haven’t seen anything yet from anyone. We will only know where everyone is after the second Bahrain test.” (22 February – 2 March)

“From a reliability point of view Mercedes has started well, also its customer teams have covered a lot of kilometres.”

As for Red Bull, Domenicali is cautious and refuses “to write off such a powerful adversary” after the team’s extensive reliability problems in the first test in Jerez. “If they have isolated the problem they can make up the lost kilometres,” he said.

On the main talking point around Ferrari this year, the driver pairing that all of Formula 1 is looking forward to seeing in action, Alonso and Raikkonen, the Ferrari boss says that the decision to put them together was “rational, not emotional” and adds that Raikkonen is “extremely motivated and has the experience to manage a difficult championship, such as this year’s will be. He knows how to handle the pressure of driving alongside Alonso and driving for Ferrari, which is always under the spotlight and for whom finishing second is a tragedy.”

(Compared to the last time he was at Ferrari in 2009, Raikkonen “is more mature, more expert, closer to the team. He’s already been to Maranello a lot; he comes he almost every week. He knows what he is capable of. He knows that this is an important challenge for him. He knows what he has to do with a champion like Alonso, with whim he has to work in an integrated way.”

There are a couple of other interesting notes from the interview; responding to Bernie Ecclestone’s comment that the new hybrid formula is “a farce”, Domenicali is cautious on making pronouncements too soon, but interestingly notes that, “we need to be prepared to intervene if the new F1 is losing something in terms of emotional appeal.”

On the controversial new rule to double the points for the final race in Abu Dhabi, Domenicali says that “rules must be respected,” but adds, “If we want to say that this is too artificial, this is true.”

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yeah yeah..leave him alone..kimi knows what he is doing 🙂 🙂


I wonder if pirelli have any other tricks up their sleeve ?

weren't the redbulls and the mercs struggling till they decided to change the tires .

F1 seems to have become a farce . Nothing is solid .


Actually I don't think he does right now, all I know is if the Raikkonen of 2003-2005 turns up this year he could blow Alonso away with his pure speed and natural ability to adapt, it only seemed like Alonso got the upperhand on Kimi from 2006 onwards and thats when those weaker V8's were introduced, maybe Raikkonen is better at handling a car with higher grunt we'll see, but with the current seemingly Mercedes advantage who's to bet against Hamilton to finally land another title for all his hardcore loyalists. But bet against Vettel at your peril.


agree ....if the Mclaren Raikkonen shows up he will be difficult for Alonso to handle....in fact it would have been great if Kimi had gone back to Mclaren ..but our great Whitmarsh and also Button kept on saying that kimi wont succeed in switching teams for 2014 and Mclaren will then make a move for him for 2015....

I am not sure but I feel Kimi changed his driving style over the years, especially from the Ferrari days. Earlier He used to be on the ragged edge...very aggressive ....Now his driving style is very smooth ..even though the overtaking moves are still as awesome as before


Sounds a bit measured for an Italian rag ?


The real 'tragedy' will come later in the season when Italian emotions run high due to yet another poor performing year. I look forward to that time when, once again, we'll be treated to tragic online stories of disenchantment within the Scuderia's camp. Can't wait. LOL!


Don't think it's gonna happen this year. Ferrari seemed to have done a good job so far


Why do you think it is going to be a bad year for Ferrari? Do you know something others don't know?


Bet you're supporting the icy one aren't you Rob? 😉


I KNOW!!!!

(They have LdM AND DOM)


It is called wishful thinking and fortunately or unfortunately sometimes they will come out to be true.


Okay, I didn't know Domencalli is 48. He certainly doesn't look it.

Nice interview and I agree, the Ferrari has got off on the right foot but looking back at the last time the sport had turbo engines (1988), am not too sure the team is good at making these systems.

And I can understand for a passionate and successful team such as this, coming second must hurt but I think the real tragedy is not in coming second but rather by missing out on first by a couple of points like what happened in 2006, 2008, 2010 and 2012.

Yes thanks to Domencalli for giving Kimi another chance with the team for seeing two top drivers in Ferrari is any fan's dream come true.

And I think if the tyres aren't very durable especially on the hot tracks, this will give Kimi the upper hand for I think he's one of the best at looking after his tyres.

Regards the double points rule, maybe we won't have it for long, it all depends on how the season plays out... I think.


The last time the sport had turbos Mclaren and Honda invested heavily for the 1988 season, whereas Ferrari carried over the 1987 car.

It was still the only competition to the Mclaren that year. Please bear in mind that Honda also supplied Lotus and they weren't anywhere near a Senna/ Prost driven Mclaren either.

Renault laboured with a turbo engine from 1977 whereas Ferrari won in their first season with turbo power - Villeneuve 1981 - and won two constructor titles. They would have won the drivers championship in 1982 except for extraordinary bad luck for their drivers that year.

As ever your suppositions are about as holed as cheese but please continue, it is amusing


Thank you for the info,please check the daily telegaph UK,as from yesterday 12/feb in the motoring section in regard to the new Ferrari

California with its 3.9 Turbo charge Engine simply awesome.

However some contributors to J.A Numero ono site of Motor sport suggest Ferrari can't make a good turbo-charge engine,perhaps he/she is an

unavare of the fact that Ferrari F40 the most

powerful and quickest road cars at its time is almost thirty years since it creation and still going strong,like good old Johny Walker.


1982 was quite an extraordinary year for grand prix racing one way or another. Triumph and tragedy probably sums up it best.


With respect to Ferrari turbo technology, Ferrari is making the engines for the turbocharged Maserati roadcars...


Just to add to Spyros' points, in the 80s the fuel used was largely uncontrolled apart from the octane rating. Toluene was a common additive that tended to make following driver's eyes water. Electronics were another major part of the picture. Combined these made huge differences to the potential of the engines. Both of these areas have largely been curtailed.

Economically, Honda was part of the Japanese boom economy and was in a different place to Italy at the time. Being a bigger manufacturer it was also able to develop and entirely new engine for 1988 to match the lower turbo boost limit of 2.5 bar rather than 4.0 bar. If you look at the detail of the second half of 1987, the Ferrari was becoming quite competitive. The 1988 McLaren was also a pretty well designed and dedicated chassis to suit the new engine. That aided to its ability to achieve race lap times without chewing up too much fuel. On power Ferrari was competitive in 1988, but it lacked in fuel consumption.

Ferrari were the first team to win a world championship (82 constructors) with a turbo car and could have won three titles with with better luck.


Also I'd bet Ferrari will be kore competitive next year than Mclaren Honda, we'll finally see Vettel join the red squad next year, which driver will he replace is the question, maybe both Ferrari drivers will lose their drive you never know if thats the case it would be brillaint to see Vettel and Hamilton teaming together, then Ferrari wouldn't have excuses for having slower qualifiers as these 2 are the fastest over 1 lap maybe joined by Hulkenberg but still Alonso back to Mclaren wouls be interesting, maybe him and Ron can finish the job they intended to do at the start of 2007, it will be a fascinating new era for F1 just a shame we'll have slow cars but drivers and teams looks poised to entertain.


Fernando still blames Ronspeak for his 2007 Macca meltdown, so I can't see him going back to Woking, but you know what, stranger things have happened........


You may be right, but I don't think my speculation is particularly valuable. My understanding is that both Alonso and Raikkonen have contracts for 2015 of they merry 2014 performance benchmarks. Which pours Ferrari in the same place it was with Raikkonen in 2010 - paying someone not to drive.

Vettel clearly loves winning, so Ferrari might be tempting, but the team needs to be good for him to switch to Ferrari.


At times you are amusing? your assumption that Ferrari can't make a V6 turbo engine comparable

to some others manufactures,dear man, that is a

very,very debatable and I don't wish to be insulting to prove the point,However Fiat owns the Lancia, the same as the majority share holder of Ferrari,as you suggested Ferrari bit weak in turbo charging field,its at their disposal at Fiat archives what super/turbo charging is all a bout it,when World Rally was in its best,in 1985/6 Lancia Delta S4 was simply light years ahead of anyone, with 5 bar boost developing around 1000 horsepower the mighty FIA saw fit to ban it,same as they did with Schumacher/Ferrari changing the rules but they never done nothing to Red Bull dominance since 2010,yup viva la FIA.


and don't forget, making tyres softer and softer to the point where they exploded, so RB could not use their fast turning advantage.


"never done nothing to Red Bull dominance since 2010"

Nothing except ban blown diffusers, cracking down on flexi-wings, the pathetic attempt to let the others catch up with double points...you know, stuff like that 🙂


Okay fair enough, last one for me also - just a quick summation 🙂

We both agree that the rule is there to try keep to keep the championship alive until the last race and to give the others a chance to catch the leader.

Neither of us is in favour of the rule, but we also both agree that if we have to have double points then it would be far more effective to have them in the first few races.

Of course there's no guarantee that the leader in 2014 will be Vettel - and I would go so far to say at this point that Vettel will be lucky to finish a race, let alone win one - but again the decision is based on the last four years. If for the last four years we had had a close championship with a different winner each year could you honestly say this rule would have come into effect?

It's not a conspiracy theory (you won't find a poster on my wall with a silhouette of Bernie and a slogan saying the "Truth Is Out There"). It's just an observation based on what I see, but as for you idea that the rule is there to get the FIA more money?

Yeah, I'd agree with that too 🙂


OK, one last attempt, I won't bother replying again, if you don't see it this time you never will 🙂

Just quoting your last paragraph, never mind the rest...

"The rule is there to try keep to keep the championship alive until the last race"

Agree entirely, that's the point I was making, you were making the accusation that it was there to disadvantage RB.

"to give the others a chance to catch up, and while it offers a meaningless advantage to the championship leader if he wins, it results in a far bigger disadvantage if he loses / retires"

Agree again, and the only way that can be an anti-RB rule is if you can GUARANTEE RB/Vettel are leading the championship come that last race. There's 22 drivers out there and while I admit it's probably unlikely that a Caterham or Marrusia driver will be leading, there is such a massive change in the rules this year both in the power train and aero that any of the mid-field or big teams could steal a march and have a driver leading the championship come that last race. Lets not forget also that Adrian Newey's special powers are in the aero side, he's not designing the power plant for Renault.

To imply that the FIA (Bernie - it was his rule) KNOWS FOR CERTAIN that Vettel will be leading at that point is crazy I'm afraid. And if RB have a tendency to start weaker and finish strong as you state then it's exactly the wrong rule to put in place if you want to disadvantage RB - the double-points-for-first-race(s) rule would have a much better anti-RB effect.

Just to be clear, I'm not in favour of the new rule at all, why should any one race be worth more than the rest? Well actually I've given my reasons for the first race(s) having more points but in my view that is second choice behind having all races the same. We don't have goals in football/hockey/basketball (or any other sport I'm aware of) being worth more at the beginning or the end of the game, or at the beginning or the end of the season - it would be ridiculous.

Having said all that, if you're desperate to hang on to your conspiracy theory then go right ahead, but I'll stick to mine that they're conspiring to make more money, not to deliberately alter the championship winner 🙂



The observation you make about a smaller / mid-field team starting well before being overtaken by more well funded teams is a good one and I agree double points for the first few races in that context actually makes a lot of sense.

But my argument is still valid. Sure there is only one situation out of thousands where RBR would start well and then be struggling at the end of the year with another team racing to catch them, but naturally the FIA aren't considering that.

They're looking at the more likely situation where RBR (and by RBR I mean Vettel) is again leading the championship into the final race.

So let's assume he's leading by somewhere between 25 and 49 points. At that stage he's done the job, he should be world champion, but then why would the viewers worry about watching the race?

Given the fact that at that stage he'd likely have momentum on his side double points would more than likely advantage him, but so what? Winning is winning - what difference does it make if he end up winning by say 90 points instead of 65 points?

The only difference is if Vettel happens have a problem in the last race and retires. In that situation suddenly the driver who was coming second in the championship wins the race and gains 50 points to win overall.

The rule is there to try keep to keep the championship alive until the last race, to give the others a chance to catch up, and while it offers a meaningless advantage to the championship leader if he wins it results in a far bigger disadvantage if the he loses / retires.

Based on the last four (or even five) years that means they're aiming to disadvantage Vettel, which in turn means they're aiming to disadvantage Red Bull.

And as for your last sentence? Couldn't agree more 🙂


Sorry again but your own information goes against your argument... "Red Bull have struggled at the start of the season for a couple years now... and then traditionally they come on strong in the second half"

In that case why weight the points to the second half of the year?? If RB are coming on strong when the points are doubled then that is to their advantage. You can't say this is anti-RB if RB are coming on stronger when there are more points available so more likely to get those increased points.

What would be anti-RB in that case is making double points for the first race or 2 or 3. And in fact I could see some real logic to that approach in that it rewards the teams who have done the best job over the winter in producing their own good, innovative, fast car - rather than the teams with the money and resources to copy those innovations and implement on their own cars during the year.

As the rule stands at the moment, lets just for example say that a mid-field team like Williams came along with some fantastic innovation and blew the other teams out of the water at the first few races. Teams like RB, Ferrari, Maclaren, Mercedes would be able to throw money at understanding and implementing that innovation. Meanwhile, if recent history is anything to go by, Williams are doing their best to improve their own car but as the season progresses they are running out of budget and can't maintain their lead. Then at the end of the year the teams like RB get double points for copying the innovation of, in this example, Williams.

This rule is anti mid to small teams (who run out of money towards the end of the season) and pro big teams who can keep on spending money/using resources right to the last race.

I'm afraid there's no logic to your argument that this is anti-RB, it's only anti-RB in one situation out of a possible thousands - that of RB making a good start to the season but then fading along with a close second runner coming on strong at the end. You've already stated the opposite is true with RB starting slower then coming on stronger so you'd have to be pretty stupid to come up with this rule if you were anti RB.



Red Bull are struggling now, but when this rule was put into effect they were far and away the most dominant team which does factor into the thinking at the time - just because they happen to be struggling now doesn't change that.

Red Bull have struggled at the start of the season for a couple years now - even if it's not to this extent - and then traditionally they come on strong in the second half.

So while we can't predict what's going to happen there's a reasonably good chance that history will repeat.

Bernie and the FIA know this and they do want to prevent Vettel running away before season's end for the reasons you stated.

It is paranoia, but it's on the part of Bernie and the FIA - besides, I'm not the one making up the silly rules 🙂


Sorry, still have to disagree with you. The thinking behind it was that TV audiences drop off once the drivers championship is decided. That costs Bernie money so this is purely about trying to get the championship decided as late as possible in the year. It will of course favour whoever is coming strong at the end of the year rather than who is strong at the start. But there's no way of predicting which team(s) are going to be coming strong at the end. Given that Red Bull/Renault appear to be struggling right now this could well play in their favour. So to suggest this change is an "anti Red Bull" tactic is, I'm afraid, paranoia.



You're right, if things pan out like the last few years then if anything it will give Vettel even more of an advantage, but the point is that the thinking behind it was that it would extend the championship to the last race - i.e. the others would have a chance to catch the Red Bull which (as foolish as it may be) is clearly a step to try to break their dominance.


Thank you for the reply.

Yep.the mighty ship ss FIA,you can't really hack it can you,one would have thought in view

the FIA under Max Mosley changed the rules when

Ferrari/Schumacher rule the roost with Todt being at the helm of Ferrari.

One have to question Todt ability to apply an a

fair playing field?.

One have to ask since his presidency what he stand for? does he have back bone to do what Circus need even though you may loose Elephants

I doubt very much.



Why does double points appear in your list of rule changes against Red Bull? It won't help others catch up, if RB are dominant then they'll win that race too and just win the championship by an even greater margin. Doesn't have to be Red Bull of course, if any one team is dominant then the chances are they'll win that race too.

The only effect of double-points-for-the-last-race is to delay the point where the championship will be decided.


FIA - Ferrari's internal agency????


Why are so many people comparing the '88 turbos to what we have this year?

The technological carry-over between these and the 1988 turbo engines is theoretical, at best. There are plenty of road cars with more sophisticated turbos than those old things. They might as well look for ideas in a suped-up Citroen Saxo...

If you're looking for contrasts in F1, the fuel consumption of the '88 turbos during qualifying, would be an excellent start... of course in qualy trim they produced nearly 1500bhp, which is probably why a fuel flow restrictor is part of the current rules!


Spyros, the engines that produced in the region of 1,500hp was in 1986 qualifying trim. By 1988, all turbo cars ran 2.5 bar pop off valves to limit this to around 900hp.

In the races themselves they had fuel limitation as well


I'm slapping my head... you (and @Scott D) are of course right.

I don't recall a limit on fuel consumption, though, but I'm not placing any bets.


I think you must be referring to the '85 -'86 powerplants with their fancy fuels. I think records show that the 1988 Honda Turbo only produced around 650bhp as the power of the units were significantly reduced that year to compensate for the largely non-turbo opposition.


But remember that was in race trim and even the later 80's turbos produced a max of 900hp with all the restrictions in quali, and that was with 4 cylinders and 1.5 litres, just shows nearly 30 years on (I know its gone quick lol) we should have a Formula that far exceed road cars in terms of straight line performance but NO these new heavy ugly quiet pigs of cars will be laughed at even by the Le Mans and Moto GP crowd, surely as cars are much stronger and circuits much safer these days the F1 cars should have at least 1000hp and bring some WOW factor back to the sport like the 80's and even the early to mid 2000's but instead we get a freak show but oh well lets see what the first race brings, I'll be timing an onboard start using the FOM speed graphics, last season some of the best starts were along these figures 0-60mph 2.5sec 0-100mph 3.8sec 0-124mph 4.8sec 0-150mph 7sec, not bad for a heavy car with full fuel I suppose.


@ Spyros

Oh I see.

Thanks for the info


If you go to the top floor of the Science Museum in London you will see lots of aero engines from the 1930-40s. They have 4 valves per cylinder, huge turbos that feed torque back into the engine(via mechanical means, not electric as now) and many other systems regarded as new ideas today. I guess the biggest surprise is that we still persist with reciprocating piston engines as this will always limit the possibilities.


I am quite certain that the V6 turbo engines will be a success but the significantly reduced fuel load a different matter.

Now, Alonso v Raikkonen. If one outperforms the other consistently (and I'm not so sure it will be Alonso on the back foot) the the fans will be disappointed.

I'd like to think will come down to track by track, minor mishap by mishap in determining who's number 1.

unF1nnished business

I have a feeling the whole Kimi vs. Alonso thing might be greatly influenced by the reliability of this year's car and not necessarily who outperforms the other.


Yes, that could be the case, the points table could be influenced by reliability. But that's not the only thing, many times not even the most important thing, to look at when comparing driving performances.


I agree. I think the engines once fully sorted will be good for the sport. I feel from what I have read so far that the fuel restrictions might be too strict. It might have been better to start at a high level of fuel then as the years go on and development of the engines become better then start reducing the amount of fuel down to 100kg


I like Stefano, but sometimes I think his comments get lost in translation, or maybe translating the Romano-Latin languages such as Italian into English is where the translation issues arises. I think Stefano means "finishing second is unacceptable", which is probably a more appropriate adjective.

Having said that, is finishing second in an individual race really that bad? If a driver finishes second, he gets a good spoonful of championship points - 18 normally, 36 at Abu Dhabi - and that can be very helpful for both WDC and constructors championship. Better to finish second in a race than to finish in the barrier, no points at all for that. And every point counts and all that.................Kimi knows that, he won 2007 WDC by just a solitary point (albeit under different scoring rules).

If Stefano means finishing second in the WDC and constructors titles is unacceptable then he is right, but let's not forget that in both 2010 and 2012 Ferrari got their rifle out and well and truly shot themselves in both feet, so if finishing second is a tragedy Stefano, over the last few years evidence it's been a self-inflicted tragedy.

Incidentally, Gary Anderson says that Fezza's new machine at this moment is in good aero balance and lacking in rear downforce..............yet again.


I wouldn't judge any aero performance yet, and downforce. The cars will be vastly different aerodynamically come the last test and Melbourne. Interestingly I've heard Ferrari have the best cooling, Ted Kravitz was reporting this on his notebook program. They have significantly smaller cooling intakes compared to rivals. I think this could prove to be a big advantage especially early in the season. Any insight on this James?


I think 'Tragedy' is absolutely the right word, for a couple of reasons... one, I remember how motivated everyone at Ferrari was before Schumi gave them their first title since the 70s. Back then, 'tragedy' didn't even come close.

Second... no offence mate, but you have it the wrong-way round: it's the British who have the meaning (and emphasis) of the [Greek] word 'tragedy' completely wrong! 😀


That's exactly my point squire, words get lost in translation. Stefano speaks - and thinks - in English very well, but sometimes the little nuances are lost on him, which is understandable considering it's not his first language.

I always though the English language was a West Germanic language of the Indo-European language family rather than a Romano-Greco one, but, well, you do learn something every day I suppose................


Re Ricardo: I was being Sarcastic/Ironic/Facetious/Dry Humoured sir! I know Italian is part of the Romance languages of the indo-european language family. Greek is its own language family, but it influenced the Romance languages quite heavily (unsurprising, the Romans nicked all their ideas off the Greeks, including chariot racing).

Who knows, back in the days of Chariot Racing, there may have been competitors called Ferrista, Maseratisata, Lamborghinista..................


Never heard of a Romano_Greco family of languages but there you go.


...from excelency to common or tourism car tecnologies


A language has its origing, but many words in every language come from different influencies. Tragedy is a word more about passion -in latin countries- than the "drama" aception in anglo saxon ones. And I think Domenically was refering more the latin than the anglo Tragedy.

Changing the topic, It is funny this year's Ferrary name:

F 1 4 T

because it is to close to the Other Group's car name:

F I A T.

I hope this coincidence is not more than that and refers the way Formula 1 is transforming from excelency to


The interview was in italian...


You seriously listen to Gary Anderson??? Let me remind you again it was him that said Mclaren's 2013 challenger was going to be a world beater, look how that turned out! To be honest looking at the last test if anything it was Merc that had the engine but Ferrari's chassis made their car as strong as the Merc, I highly doubt Ferrari will lose to Merc this season, its all about what Redbull and Mclaren can do of they fail then the Ferrari and Merc title will be interesting otherwise it'll be Seb yet again.


Re Tealeaf: You may have noticed a pattern emerging. In 2006, 2008, 2010 and 2012 Ferrari went into the last race with a chance of claiming the WDC. And failed, for a multitude of different reasons.

What chance 2014 Fernando or Kimi/possibly both going into Abu Dhabi with a shot of WDC and falling at the last hurdle? That would be failed attempt at world championship for Ferrari in last race in 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012........2014????

Strange coincidence or what???


Its just one of them things, but with double points and resurgent Redbull in the 2nd half of the season I'm sure yet again Ferrari could fail towards the end of the year again we'll find out.


Gary Anderson said something that turned out to be wrong... as you keep posting. Over and over and over.

The prediction game can be difficult. Look at your joke of a post.

"Merc will be strong, but Ferrari will be strong, Ferrari might beat Merc, unless Macca beats Ferrari or RBR beats Merc and Seb wins".

So let me get this straight. You're predicting either Merc, Ferrari, McLaren or RBR for the title. No shot for Lotus or Sauber then? LOL


After the first test last season Gary Anderson said Mclaren and Mercedes was in front and Red Bull was a bit behind. He also said that the Lotus was very conservative and he couldn't see anything particularity good about the car.

His testing observations doesn't seem to be worth much.


Fair comments Tealeaf, but as I've said, Ferrari's strategic nous has been woeful in the last few seasons, and that was with one main driver. How will they cope with two main drivers? Ferrari's biggest enemy was themselves: the 2010 and 2012 WDC were ripe for the taking, but Ferrari are not as street wise and savvy as their opponents. I mean, remember Abu Dhabi 2010 or Malaysia last year???

As for Gary, yes, he made a right clanger over last years Macca, but he correctly spotted that the Bull of 2013 was able to run more rake than any other car, and he also pointed out that Prancing Horse was lacking in rear axle downforce because Fezza couldn't get the exhaust blown coanada (sic) to work as well as Bull. These two theories were backed up by the excellent analysis of Mark Hughes, so Gary was right there. I would say Gary is not so good on the over-view, but on detailing he is excellent. Bear in mind, Gary is reporting on what he has seen so far, so maybe Prancing Horse will improve at Bahrain.

You sound very convinced by Italian Stallion in 2014, even though Fezza aren't very good at regulation changes: remember 2005 and 2009? Anyway, time will tell...............my moneys on Merc, Macca and possibly Frank for a surprise or two.

We shall see.......


Re NickH: That's a fair point on the 2005 Bridgestones, but that Ferrari F2005 wasn't that mega anyway; the gearbox design was too fiddly. However, I do accept the major deficit was Bridgestone.

However, 2009 was no excuse for Ferrari: they were on the same tyres as everyone else. Like you said, everyone had at least a year to adequately prepare for the new formula, and Ferrari messed up big time. If Team Brackley were smart enough to spot the diffuser loophole, then that shows Ferrari's design department lacked vision, direction and lateral thinking. Don't forget, Adrian and Bull made a massive jump in performance in 2009, and they didn't even have the double diffuser to start with!

Like this year, everyone in 2009 was given adequate time to read the regulations and to maximise any potential loopholes. As Martin Brundle says "there are no excuses [for designers and drivers] at this level".


2005?? The year Michelen had the advantage over Bridgestone? Nothing to do with Ferrari not adapting well to reg changes, it was the fact that bridgestone well and truly dropped a clanger that year whereas michelen excelled!


2005 Ferrari wasn't competitive because the bridgestones weren't as good as the michelins, they were rock hard and Ferrari couldn't get them to work. 2009 Ferrari was put together in a rush like the 2009 Mclaren was because both teams were ploughing resources into winning the 2008 championship. In contrast Brawn (honda) had spent a long time and a fortune designing their 2009 winning car because the 2008 Honda was a write-off from the start of the season.


Re Sammy: its a nickname for Ferrari from the British media. If I remember correctly, Ferrari themselves and the Italian media refer to the British cars as "Garagistes", a pejorative term because those pesky Brits build their cars in small premises. I think Enzo Ferrari remembers the hurt caused to him by the British during the war when the Allies bombed his factory to dust - as well as Italy being humiliated in 1943 - so I think for him his dislike of the Inglesse [sic] was very personal indeed.


Re Yago: I know testing times are meaningless, but my gut feeling is that Merc, Macca and Frank have done their homework properly: ie they are the best prepared going into this new formula. Just a hunch.


Where does the term 'Fezza's' come from all of a sudden??

I don't like it!


Your money is on the cars that went fastest (or did more laps in the case of the Merc) on the Jerez test. Pretty simplistic. I know it is hard not to pay attention to testing times, but Jerez times where absolutely meaningless. Save your money until the second Bahrein tests, and still...


pity it turned out to be illegal !


Brilliant poster, I am waiting for "Kimi is faster than you"


The poster for game of thrones fans should be subtitled The (Ferrari) Red Wedding... Cos we all know how that turned out...


Nevermind that, I wonder how the boys in red would handle a repeat of "Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing"!

Come to think of it, Alonso more or less told them that in the 2010 Abu Dhabi GP, in more trying circumstances...


+1, want that poster in my living room!


Finishing second a tragedy really? from Ferrari that last won with Raikkonen!


Kimi heading to maranello every week???



I believe the words were "almost every week" which is a lot more Kimi.


Yes I believe Kimi was ROFL 🙂


I believe there is an exceptional gellato bar just down the road from the factory!!!!


Oh yes! There are even photos of him in Maranello.

Cheers, Bart


Really looking forward to see how the Team Battle between Alonso & Kimi progresses through the season.

Is anybody actually in favour of the double points rule? everybody within F1 & fans seem to be stating their dislike for the idea, I suspect the only person who will like it come the end of the season will be the Abu Dhabi race winner!


My guess is ee are old fashioned lovers of the sport. We continue to watch the races even if a guy has the title in his bag 4 races to go. Most of us would probably say well done, you deserve it.

But I guess some people refuse to whatch a game if they know the league is already won. I think the best thing to do is to give points in none but the last race. This way we can be sure every driver on the grid has a chance of becoming World Champion at the last race. Much more fun.


Bit of a contrivance though..............we could call it the John DeLorean world championship!


At the last update there were officially five supporters. On the bright side it means that only one of them has to bring cake to the "We Love Double Points" meetings 🙂


" He knows how to handle the pressure of driving alongside Alonso and driving for Ferrari, which is always under the spotlight and for whom finishing second is a tragedy.”

I don't think Kimi is capable of feeling pressure......


Yes, you are correct.

Kimi proved it over the years that he can be beaten by his team mate without feeling any pressure.

At the end of the race he just grabs his suitcase and goes home to take some ice cream and watch tv.

(that's why he was *FIRED* by Ferrari)


I really like the slogan under the picture of the article:

Songs of Ice and Fire!!!!

Fire melts Ice, but then water extinguis Fire...

will see what happens... But it does not look good


It does look like an internal explosion for Ferrari, but you know? If fire is strong enough, no matter how cold the ice is, water will evaporate before extinguishing fire 😉


James Hunt once commented that when the red lights go out all the best drivers go onto auto pilot and just drive sub-consciously, so in a way for an F1 driver race conditions are actually a release from the pressure outside of the car.......

Kind of makes sense really.

Fernando "150%" Alonso

"...He knows what he is capable of. He knows that this is an important challenge for him. He knows what he has to do with a champion like Alonso..." in a word, He know what he's doing!


Isn't that 5 words ? 😉

Fernando "150%" Alonso

Well, english is not my mother tongue 😀


Stefano, you will do well to remember that finishing second for Kimi is also a tragedy, and finishing second for Fernando is also a tragedy.. good luck.


After reading/hearing all the interviews Ferrari guys(Stefano, Luca etc) have given so far, I get this feeling that they are expecting Kimi to support Alonso in the quest. Hopefully its just my feeling.


The "Ferrari guys" don't even consider Kimi beating Alonso. That's what anyone can feel when listening to them, and one of the reasons they whent for Kimi. What has changed to suddenly have two roosters driving for them, when they have avoided that for so many years? The reason is simple: nothing. They expect Kimi to be closer to Alonso than Felipe, but they do not expect Kimi to beat Alonso, neither to threaten his leadership.

All this thing of Kimi being signed by Montetzemolo to weaken Alonso's position at the team is a non story. Actually Kimi was signed by Domenicalli, with Montetzemolo's approval of course. When the team felt Alonso was going too far, they reprimanded him, that's how it is done, not by making decisions in the heat of the moment that could destabilize the team, as many people suggested.

But, if for whatever reason Alonso has a bad year, and Kimi beats him, he still will not threaten his leadership within the team, because that's not the way Kimi works. Hiring Kimi Raikkonen was actually a very well and long thought decision by Domenically, who should get much more credit than what he is given by many people.

Domenicalli has changed the organization of the team, and built up the basis to win in modern F1. In the middle of this big change, that has removed the foundations of an obsolete organization and has modernized the technology necessary to build a fast modern F1 car, and hence with inferior tools than his rivals, Ferrari almost won two titles, thanks to Fernando Alonso and the team (Domenicalli) backing his leadership.

I'm sure Ferrari will win again, with Alonso at the wheel.


Well whether or not people at Ferrari are expecting Kimi to beat Alonso or not, does it really matter to them which one comes out on top, as long as one of them does? Also in my eyes Ferrari has never been "Alonso's" team the way it was Schumi's team back in the day...Massa simply wasnt on his best level anymore after the accident, so not only he wasnt threat to Alonso, but also failed to score enough points for Ferrari to be anywhere near of winning Constructors title.

So again, for Ferrari its obviously the most important thing that both drivers take constantly many points, podiums and wins...if Kimi is ahead of Alonso in race and both are in fight for championship, dont expect Kimi to be there to support Alonso for the championship...If there is going to be "Alo is faster than you" message in such situation, Kimi is most likely going to ignore it, both Alonso and Kimi should be mature enough to understand that as long as they both are in fight for championship, then you have to overtake the other driver without any help. Sure if such battle would slow them both down considerably and risk loosing positions to other drivers coming from behind, then Im quite sure both are also mature enough to know when it would be better to back down.

Either way as mentioned above, reliability is going to big issue, for all we know Alonso might suffer some DNFs that would put him way too far behind in WDC fight, or the same could happen to Kimi...so I think Ferrari will start to favor the one driver over the other only at situation where the other has clearly better shot for championship, like it was in 2010 German GP.

So while some people at Ferrari might think that Alonso is going to be better than Kimi, dont think that Raikkonen is going to submit to that supporter role until its certain that he is out of the WDC fight....Kimi himself knows all too well that it is possible to rise from impossible looking situation to win the championship...and with double points rewarded at the last race, its all the more true this year


Well sorry, there is actually one thing I strongly disagree, this Massa thing and his performance being hampered by the accident.


I agree on everything. Nothing that you say contradicts any of my points. I was just giving my view on why the signing of Kimi from Ferrari.


Do you know how hard it is to get Kimi to sign a contract. He would rather not drive than support Alonso


@Yago- The idea to hire Raikkonen was Domenicali's - he "sold it" to Montezemolo- this is true. But there are a number of reasons for that. I will list them down for you in exactly the order Ferrari have:-

1. They are not winning and Fernando has failed for 4 years- be it car/ team- he failed in 2010 to pass a slow Lotus &surely should have won the title.

2. Ferrari failed by keeping Massa for 4years which lost them constructors positions - especially last year to Merc & clearly he was not like the Felipe of 2008 &!they need a far more consistently fast driver to really keep Fernando on his toes and ensure maximum constructors points.

3. 2014 cars have loads more mid range torque and the cars need drivers with impeccable throttle control- Raikkonen is easily the best at this aspect of driving. Aust 2013 proved that- engineers cannot believe what Raikkonen did - Ferrari can because he did similar things in 2007-9.

4.Alonso is outspoken when the car/ team fail- Raikkonen just goes about business and is far more "correct" in how he talks / not about the team.- Hugely important for Ferrari.

5. Kimi is nearing the end of his F1 career and Ferrari know he is determined to win before he retires. He has been the class performer over the last 2 years- along with Fernando .

6. Kimi has recent experience at working with James Allison in a competitive team.Allison knows how Kimi maximises the car - this can be used to benefit the team in the development area.

Its the best time to have both top drivers in the same team. The new regulations ensure the most experienced/ quick drivers can confirm the car set up is optimised ( this is already progressing with both agreeing very similar feedback since Jerez).

The decision to hire Kimi is to "hedge" their bets. If in fact Kimi adapts better- Fernando will benefit and if he doesnt he will still be determined to hunt Kimi down. If Fernando is quicker they know Kimi will be right on his tail and the championship points wil be strong. They knew Mercedes will be strong and they cannot compete unless they have 2 world class drivers at the top of their game. They have that in Kimi & Fernando. Its a win, win situation no matter which way it goes. They just have to manage the situations as & When They Will arrise - this has us all salivating!


Yes was aimed at Yago


Nickh think you meant that for yago -hes got blinkers on


Alonso has failed for 4 years, Red Bull have destroyed Ferrari for 4 years. So they hired Kimi to mix it up and see what happens. Either of them could win. It's not rocket science.

'Ferrari do not expect Kimi to be excessively close to Alonso and challenge his leadership'

How do you know this? And also, what leadership? The leadership that's won them sod all since he's been there


Exactly my point. [mod]

Both are great drivers. They hired Kimi, because 2 intelligent heads are always better than 1.

What people seem to ignore is, they not only hired Kimi back, but put HIM in the car on the first days of the Jerez test where everything was expected to utter chaos! Kimi had a clam head, did his work and passed the data over to Fernando. That's just team-work. Both of them did well in the test and we can expect good updates from Ferrari in Bahrain.


Thanks gogomobil. Look at the end of the day the decision had to be a group decision after 2009. We know they were almost there with Hulkenberg too, but I just find it hard to think that Ldm would have sanctioned it without a very powerful argument- incl. Sponsors , fans , engineers & mechanics and the team boss . Because most people know Kimi only had one problem at Ferrari and it was Ldm!


Excellent comment and full of sense as well!


Yago your wrong - because Ldm was quoted by several sites as saying Kimi was always correct in how he spoke publically about Ferrari- meaning he didnt bag the team - thats a Fact- sure hes no angel- everyone knows that- but he did NOT bag Ferrari for terminating him & even lieing about him- thats the mark of a man. Even recently Ldm and Domenicali publically said there were other factors when they last parted co with Kimi- most people close to the sport have said that. Also point 1 is a fact - regardless of who it was - that was a world title- a great champion ought to have found a way past. Like I said ,be it team, car or FA - they failed- thats a fact - You cant handle the truth !


Elie,I red and respect your input as it's allways a top shelf article.

However I must disagree with your suggestion that Domenicalli was instrumental in signing Raikkonen,Not true!Domenicalli wanted Hul/berg

was over ruled by Luca d M,with exception of Shell,the sponsors demanded results and the only results are the winners circle ,and LdM

knew things must improve and succeed to avert

his back side poiting to the ground.believe it's true, the road Ferrari had began to loose the cutting adge and all is due to F1 failure.


Point 1 is nonsense. They actually sacked the responsible of loosing the title in Abu Dhabi: Chris Dyer. And please, I repeat it all the time, Alonso had to pass a Renault and a Mercedes (Rosberg). You also would like to know that Hamilton, with new tyres, was unable to pass Kubica (in the other Renault), who had not pitted yet and was with tyres almost 20 laps old, if I remember well.

Point 4 is also a nonsense, because Kimi was sacked in 2009 in part for his behavior. They preferred Felipe Massa.

I could rebate point 5 also...

The rest is an acceptable theory, and I think is partly correct. However, Ferrari do not expect Kimi to be excessively close to Alonso, and to challenge his leadership. This is the piece you are missing, and that completes the picture, as Ferrari don't like to have two roosters in the garage (with a potential clash between the two), which they would have if they had signed Hamilton or Vettel. But I understand why you are missing this piece, as you are a Kimi fan.


That's not the 'feeling' one gets when listening to James Allison. I think it is very easy to read too much into Ferrari's press releases. All domenicali is saying is that Kimi is expected to stay/help the team work with the car, whereas in the past he would jump on his jet and go get pissed. I suspect this was in his contract somewhere, that he had to commit himself more. That's what I believe is 'expected of him'


"Hiring Kimi Raikkonen was actually a very well and long thought decision by Domenically".


They just hired Kimi because they knew Alonso was talking to RBR and they were afraid of ending without a number one driver. As they are LdM and DOM, they end up with two top drivers splitting point and no changes at all of grabbing the WDC. BRILLIANT!!!


Excellent post Yago

You make a lot of sense

Yes the Ferrari team knows internally very well who will win the battle in 2014 WDC standings.


This is the beat where you are blindly wrong. "Domenicalli has changed the organization of the team, and built up the basis to win in modern F1. In the middle of this big change, that has removed the foundations of an obsolete organization and has modernized the technology necessary to build a fast modern F1 car, and hence with inferior tools than his rivals, Ferrari almost won two titles, thanks to Fernando Alonso and the team (Domenicalli) backing his leadership." Ross Brawn and Schumi started rebuilding Ferrari back in 96' when they didn;t even have design studio which they made into what it is now. Also partly agree on the talk, this Italian way of saying "it's up to you Kimi to beat ALonso" and Kimi was indeed brought into by Montezemolo no Domenicalli not just to kerb and punish Alonso but also because Alonso will not be there next year 100%.


With Ron Dennis running the show at McLaren, I would not expect Fernando Alonso to be back there. Ferrari can take Kimi back, because he has not bad mouthed anyone at the Scuderia, but McLaren taking Alonso back is a different story!

Moreover, don't you think Button is and always has been a British Ambassador for Honda? I think he is gonna stay put in 2015. And I am sure, they are not gonna chuck KEvin Magnussen out for Fernando Alonso. Come on, its obvious.


Re Martin: good point about Prancing Horse being used to the old empirical way of working where as those pesky British kit car teams were turning to CFD and simulation software to cope with the enforced testing ban. I think bringing in James Allison to Ferrari is a positive move, for like Paddy Lowe (Merc) and Pat Symonds (Frank) he is a very shrewd, savvy operator, but can he have a dramatic influence on this years car, and more importantly, this years development programme?


Yago get your facts mate,with your suggestions you are in no man land

Fact: Domenicalli wanted Hul/berg, was over ruled by LdM.

Fact: LdM hired Pat Fry to re-enlighten the Maranello from present to beyond and Pat Fry done tremendous job since,even though James Allison was hired Pat Fry is strong as ever at Maranello because LdM belive in him.

Fact: The buck stoped in 2010 with Domenicalli

when WDC and construction was in the bag and he

stuff it up.

Fact: Domenicalli graduated in a Accountacy and

that is about his field.

Fact: It's LdM who is answerable to Fiat Board headed by Mr John Elkann and not Domenicalli.

Stop glorifying somthing that is not.




Alonso will not be at Ferrari 2015? 2014?

And you have an expected landing point for Alonso in mind, McL?

I'd personally like to see Kimi win at Red in 2014, then he go to McL for 2015.

As it stands, I expect McL to be very strong this year, probably ahead of Merc if that is indeed a possibility (maybe not).


If have the opportunity to look at the latest Autosport magazine, out 13 Feb, it gives an idea of what Yago is writing about. Ferrari's development in the Todt-Brawn-Byrne-Schumacher era focussed on wind tunnel work and track testing. CFD started to come on line. With Fiorano largely a road car facility now, Ferrari was well behind McLaren on simulation capabilities. The wind tunnel was out of date in terms of scale (60%), and moving surfaces. Taking a wind tunnel off line for a year, replacing Aldo Costa (a Brawn protege) with Pat Fry, bringing in other guys from Lotus, for example, are all management steps Domenicalli has taken.


True. Why else stepano's statement sounds like its Kimi who is expected to adapt For alonso and not the other way round.

From the extract-Domenicali said that Raikkonen "has respect for Alonso and will have to adapt to working with him".-

Anyway if this happens its gonna be a total disappointment for all the Kimi fans around the world.they all exist to see them win not play second fiddle.


Sadly, I get the same feeling too.

Let's see what the Iceman can do.


Still can't help but feel that Ferrari need to make sure none of their focus is on the drivers and all of their focus is on improving their downforce to get their car working well with it's tyres. Particularly to get it exiting corners better, on the power earlier.

I'd like to see them scrapping for the lead, not for 4th or 6th place.


Can I safely say Kimi and Alonso will make the season more exciting in terms of race skills and experiences

doused with some emotional factors depending on how well Ferrari pans out. There will be ice to kill the fire and fire to melt the ice. FUN!

Then hopefully Red Bull solve their problems and Vettel can proof to us IF the RB10 does not run away with Newey's magic, that he's really too good and leave the others sniffing his dust. And if Red Bull does suffer from prolonged tech glitch, Vettel will not be amongst the front runners for a good fight, I prefer not.

On the technical side so much speculation has been posted so I'd rather wait for the races to begin. Testing is just a hint and most time changes when the chequered flag falls.


If he hasn't proved anything to you yet, I'm prety sure you can make up new excuses for this year in case he wins...again.


I still thinks that new Ferrari era has to be without Domenicali as a principal. New regulations + new tech genius + new principal. Or in math form new_tech_genius(new_regulations) + new_principal(new_regulations). Tech guy in charge of technological breakthrough. Principal is in charge of biz and operations impacted by regulations. Right now Ferrari may build good car but fail the season because of some ill projections from 2011-2013 years. New person would take the challenge more objectively and efficiently.


Well according to AMUS, Ferrari are a 'sheep in wolf's clothing' as they are using a very innovative cooling solution, which saves them significant weight and space, as well as allowing for the smaller sidepods which will mean less air resistance and less fuel usage.

Honestly, I think they have a real shot this year.


@Anil. I've heard that as well, could be a big advantage I reckon. James please souls you do a piece on the Ferrari cooling please?!


Hahah *I've. Christ


I'm heard that model looks promising!


Nick, better off with that new silver Merc i-phone! Ha ha!


It is Gaz, fair bit of lag when just switched on but spools up eventually


Its not that new Red Bull-Renault turbo I-phone is it Nick?????


Sorry. *please could you.. (Stupid iphone)


Ferrari can be championship contenders.................provided they can get operational efficiency and strategy right, which in the last few years has been Prancing Horse's weakness as much as their aero inferiority. Can Ferrari think clearly under pressure this year?


Re Yago and Elie: I stand by my comments about Ferrari making stupid errors of judgement under high pressure situations, see my response to Martin above.

Good luck to Ferrari this year, they have two of the most talented drivers in F1. As I said with Martin, I hope they don't squander their potential with stupid niggly problems and bad errors of judgement.

If they get it right, constructors and drivers title are there........provided Kimi and Fernando don't take points off one another, but that's a different story........


To Martin, thanks for your excellent essay, and I take your points on board.

However, I stand by my feeling that Ferrari is lacking in vision, direction and clarity of thought when it comes to their design department - particularly the aero depo - and also operational efficiency. In Malaysia last year the Prancing Horse stupidly left him out with a broken front wing that was about to dis-attach itself (if you notice, Fernando nearly took out Mark as well), and then in Bahrain the rear wing had all sorts of problems. Stupid niggly errors that seriously compromised his races. Unfortunately, Ferrari since Ross has left has made some silly operational howlers: such as Britain 2008 when they left Kimi out on worn intermediate tyres when it was lashing down. Incredibly, even though he was lapping five to six seconds a lap slower than Lewis (who did change intermediates) they still left him out. And remember Singapore 2008? That error of re-fuelling well and truly wrecked Fellipe's title dream. And then there was Abu Dhabi 2010...........oh dear

I'm not beating up on Ferrari, I wish them well for the new season. And in Kimi and Fernando they have arguably the strongest pairing of drivers on the grid. I just hope they don't squander that strength with internecine fighting and silly mistakes at high pressure moments.

We shall see! Roll on Melbourne......


Your Joking right ?- They are easily better than any team except for Red Bull . Maybe made 3 or 4 50/50 calls in the last 2 years!


Hi Gaz,

I'll be honest, your comment seems very simplistic to the point of ignorance.

In terms of reliability the Ferrari was as good as any team last year. The only non finishes from memory were from Alonso and Massa going off the road. The team had the fastest average pitstop times in 2013 too. Operational efficiency has been pretty good compared to wheels falling off Webber's Red Bull, McLaren pitstop errors.

In terms of strategy, things are easy when you have a fast car. But take a look at Mercedes in Korea and you can see how badly things can look for a team when the performance isn't there.

You highlighted Alonso in Monza as an example last year, but in the end there was little to lose in Alonso questioning the team, and while time was lost to Vettel, the car wasn't strong on the prime tyres anyway, so it may have been a good insurance policy in hindsight.

In terms of strategies in the traditional sense of planning the races, there were probably only two notable races - Ferrari committing to four stops in Spain and Red Bull backing Vettel to make coming in on lap 2 in India work. The rest is tactical choices. Those are much easier if you have a fast car. Mistakes happy up and down the pit lane. Some teams are a bit sharper than others, but if you miss a few titles by a few points the introspection and if buts and maybes get talked about. Where the impact is minimal they get forgotten about.


Ferrari have been the best team on the strategy side (together with Red Bull) since 2012. They maximise everything on a weekend of gp, they are the best in my view on that respect, even operationaly. But they are lacking on the aerodynamical side. However, this could change in the near future, even this same year. I expect them be really strong on the development program, now that they have all the pieces in their place.


. . . not if Alonso finishes 3rd . . .


Raikkonen has no interest other than finishing 1st anyway, he 'knows what to do'


I don't think there will be a problem from Kimi's, but I think it will depend on who out of the two will best adapt to driving the new car, especially conserving fuel.

Unfortunately, I think after the first three or four races with reliability issues, I think the biggest factor for the rest of the season will be which of the teams have the most reliable ERS and best fuel consumption.

Unfortunately Ferrari engines used more fuel then the Mercs and especially the Renaults.

I have a feeling that will decide whether Ferrari are first, second or third.

James, does anybody have any ideas about the relative fuel consumption of the cars.


I am no engineer but know mass of fuel used translates into horsepower produced

I guess the reason behind FIA imposed fuel limit is to have similar power output from new untested different engines

In plain English, engines (or manufacturers) might be able to come up with more power, but with the fuel limit they will be "detuned" to whatever the 100kg per race will allow, levelling the field somewhat, and placing and emphasis on ERS use

Of course if the engine blows or the ERS overheats, power output or fuel consumption is irrelevant, just ask RedBull

Could we have more info on this James?


The new engines are something to learn about, so as a systems engineer they are interesting to observe from a distance.

The change in noise isn't a big deal to me. My main concern from a racing perspective is that the engines will have an overtake mode that means that to pass a driver just hangs onto each gear until 15000 rpm and easily passes. The suggestion is that normally the working reef range in the races will be much less to save fuel.

Which is still interesting from a technical perspective, but I suspect comments about 'this isn't real racing' a la DRS and Pirelli tyres, will come up again. Reading about that gets a little tiresome.

The positive, if my gut feeling is correct, is that there will be same tyre strategy passing a Barcelona. Passing at Monaco may be possible too, depending on the fuel used there.

How fans will react when a driver loses 2 seconds a lap, all of it on the straight so he's defenceless, because the battery has temporarily overheated, will be interesting to see.


So you are right, traditionally more fuel usage=more power, assuming similar fuel efficiency.

The new formula is pushing the previous assumption on similar efficiency.

In the new formula, the team with the best energy utilization, i.e. the power plant that can extract the highest percentage of the energy stored into the fuel, into useable power.

Which is probably a good new direction to lead the automotive world in.


Yes. Formula 1 needed this change. Hope the FIA gives them more time to develop on what they have. The future is "Downsizing" and still having the same power and speed. F1 is not far away from that.

Its high time F1 started being part of a solution to world problems than being the source of it all.


3.0 V10 with a turbo. 1000hp + anyone? Just my dream. Seriously, why does F1 have to join the green bandwagon. Just saying, perfect world. I'm still very excited for the new season


Re ferggsa: The thought of installing a 5 litre V8 in a modern F1 car makes me shudder................ugh, bit like seeing John Prescott or Eric Pickles wearing spandex trousers. No thanks!


Glad to hear you agree, let's not go back to old fashioned big block, 5.0 liter V8s just because they make more noise and use more fuel


Your basic ideas are about right. The 100 kg / hour peak fuel flow rate sets the maximum power of the engines. If more air is squeezed in and the cars run a leaner mixture then efficiency can be increased in terms of power per unit fuel used. The stoichiometric ratio of around 13:1 air to fuel is a starting point. For the same engine capacity more power will come from running the engine richer - e.g. 11:1 - but the power gain is not proportional to the increased use of fuel. Going the other direction and leaning out the fuel mixture can result in a smaller drop in power than the loss of fuel suggests.

There are also combustion temperature increases associated with running lean, which increases the exhaust gas energy. So a bigger intercooler helps to squeeze more air in, but that comes at a packaging cost.

The compression ratio varies the amount of exhaust gas energy too, and intake and exhaust design affect where in the rev range the volumetric efficiency is greatest.

So there are plenty of variables still available in the engine design, but the key performance gain to be made is being able to

a) get the 2000 kilojoules of energy out of the exhaust each lap to meet its contribution; and

b) have the battery technology that can accept and discharge 4000 kilojoules per lap.

Those two areas will in my opinion be key to having a competitive power unit in 2014.


Thank you. Understand the point you make.

Will be interesting to see some teams that may try slip streaming during the race. Quite tricky to pull off I guess - but will be interesting if they give it a go!


@ All revved-up (nothing else posted here to reply to).

Generally speaking, the most efficient way to do a race is run at the same level of fuel consumption all the way through the race. The act of racing means that this is usually not possible.

There are possibilities for fuel saving using slipstreaming and having a lead wiped out by a safety car that mean that leading from the front by being the hare may not be a good idea strategically.

I am expecting that overtaking by the use of DRS+ERS+using revs to the 15,000 rpm to exploit the gearing will make overtaking relatively straightforward if a leading car is short on fuel at the end.


Hi Martin/all,

I'm not sure I understand this - will it be the case that a fuel efficient driver who saves fuel but is 20 seconds behind comes roaring back into the lead 5 laps from the end - when the cars in front kick into fuel saving mode?

Thanks for all the insightful comments.


Martin there is one thing many people are overlooking and that is the greater energy created by the turbine with a slightly richer mix- although creating greater heat is also generating more energy to the ERS and its batteries which in turn means a greater proportion of ERS energy is available for the lap & less reliance on the ICE- it will be a fantastic challenge for all manufacturers and will be really interesting to learn more about what they do in the months ahead to get this balance right.

Whilst most people accept managing the heat and cooling is critical because the car simple wont drive - & we've already seen this. I also believe that the team that utilizes the heat more effectively from the turbo (& obviously the brakes) will have the advantage both in terms of power and overall fuel efficiency the balancing of this will obviously change from track to track and differing conditions. This path is terrific and the right one for F1& surely the automotive industry will eventually benefit from it.


Thanks a lot, I love some of the comments posted in this site

I assume you consider 1.6, high tech, turbo, hybrid power units "fun" for F1 as opposed to Bernie's recent opinions then


Unfortunately Ferrari engines used more fuel then the Mercs and especially the Renaults.

Is this information you have for 2014 or is this historical data??


I can tell you, it's historical data, of course. And even more: the correlation of the Ferrari 2013 engine fuel consumption data with the fuel consumption of the 2014 engine is zero (or nearly zero). So let's wait and see.


No, just historical data, I think from a couple of years ago, that was the general consensus.

If anybody has an idea of fuel consumption on this years engines that would be good.

Can't believe nobody has talked about the relative fuel consumption, especially as it looks like it will be more fuel efficiency runs with some full power over taking.


I'm pretty sure that if anybody had said information, they would be writing about it 🙂


I suspect that the potential inter-driver rivalry will be a good thing unless the Ferrari goes either very well or very badly. If it's among the top four or even six cars both will be doing there utmost and this will benefit the team; if it's totally dominant - very unlikely, I'm afraid (been a tifoso since Mike Hawthorn was champion in 1958) - team orders and squabbling will probably occur; if it turns out to a(nother) dog, it's a question of which driver becomes pissed off most and soonest.


"Ferrari, which is always under the spotlight and for whom finishing second is a tragedy"

No doubt talking about himself. It is likely his last year at Ferrari!

Now, what are the chances of Ferrari pulling in Ross Brawn after a year's sabbatical? wow!


"Kimi Raikonnen he has a driver who knows that for Ferrari, “finishing second is a tragedy.”

I tell you this truly Mr Domenicali- You should know that to Kimi Raikkonen finishing second in any car is a non event. Even winning occasionally is not good enough for him - Take both his wins in Abu Dhabi & Australia were not enough- Kimi wants more & he thiroughly deserves much more.


Well, it's been a tragic few years.


Of Ferrari's own making..........when Clive Woodward was guiding England RFU, his mantra was "think clearly under pressure." Ferrari have certainly not been able to think clearly under pressure........um, Abu Dhabi 2010, Monaco 2012 and Malaysia 2013 anyone?


So does this mean Kimi is Alonso's no2?


SD & LdM make it sound that way isn't it?

Oh well...


No, it means that they both race and if one of them has to support the other for the championship come the end of the season, they will have to play the supporting role. Why? Because Ferrari come first and winning the title is the most important thing. Kimi experienced this for himself in 07 when Massa supported him in Brazil and then the following year when he let Massa past in China.


Probably not, but they know how good and relentless Alonso is. And he's even more motivated than last season


No I think Ferrari have every reason to be quietly confident. The car looks strong with a strong driver line up. I expect it to be very close between the two ex. champions. That said Mercedes driver line up is also very strong and perhaps a little more hungry. Beyond that the McLaren line up may also prove strong, and Williams may also be lurking closely with both drivers wanting to prove something in a car that's looking pretty good. - It's going to be an exciting year as reliability issues reign in cars particularly in the hot races. If the Mercedes power unit has a performance advantage then things this year will be slanted a different way than when supreme aerodynamics wins all. I do hope cars are not power starved on top of degrading tyres as that will result in a very limp formula, but let's reserve judgement for a while. Can't wait until the first race!


Every time (In the last 4 season) at pre-season Ferrari always boast about themselves being confident about the car. yet Ferrari only rediscovered that they are behind RBR, Mclaren and Mercedes come the first race of every season.

I hope this may not be the case in 2014 atleast for the sake of good battle.

I still will not bet against newey and RBR. Also Mclaren looks very good along with mercedes. Ferrari looks like they have come up with decent car and not a poor one only time will tell whether the F14 is good enough to compete with RBR / Mclaren & Mercedes


Personally I think the Renault/RBR issues were just a storm in a teacup, and further suspect they will be racking up the laps just like everyone else come the next test in Bahrain. It's impossible to judge what the pecking order will be so far, but I have a sneaky feeling that McLaren's innovative rear suspension is going to yield results and then everyone will be rushing to copy it. On the other hand the most efficient aeronautics will save fuel/enhance performance so Red Bull could well still be up there if reliability does not let them down. This year ERS has to work perfectly to post an effective lap, and it's going to be about getting to the end of the race.


I like the note and tenor of Stephano's comments about the machinery; truly cautiously optimistic.

Have Ferrari put it altogether again?

It would be good if they have, and turn out to have competitive machinery, because the spotlight will focus on the intense intra-team rivalry.

Alonso has a history of imploding a team if he's not on top, I wonder what the plan is, if that should happen.

Kimi has a history of keeping his eye on the finish line, even under the most intense circumstances.

In this environment, I like the ice to succeed.


Stefano, Toto says he have a better pair than you have.


That's getting a bit personal...


Lol.. I was about to say the same thing.


Yeah, do TPs check each other out in the WCs or something???????????????


Ah, you know Formula 1 team leaders Random, they'll always try and get one over their rivals, even in the trousers department!!!!


Not sure.

I'm also not sure what "better" means in this context: Bigger or just more aesthetically pleasing?


Its so sad, that the only interesting element of F1 remaining is the internal battle between the drivers... this is the last shred of emotion left in F1... every other emotion has been sterilized.

I expect very little of F1, given its rapid decline over the past few years.


I don't share your vision completely, many people here always say that 80s were one of the best F1 era. Based on what I have four out, in that time the most exiting thing in the second half of that decade was the battle between Senna and Prost basically because the McLaren was by far the best car, I think more dominant that the current RB, and F1 continued, so I don't know, people like more those internal battles even when this shouldn't been the focus for this sport as you suggest and I agree with you about that.


It's only true for '88-'90 (And '90 Prost drove Ferrari). What about 1980-1987? You forgot Lauda, Piquet, Mansell (plus Jones and Rosberg)? Yes, that era was the best.


"Kimi knows that finishing 2nd is a tragedy for Ferrari".... gee... and you think, of all people, Fernando does not know that too? Everyone in Formula 1 knows that ending up in 2nd (regardless of who finishes in front of you) is always a tragedy - as Ron Dennis put it, "2nd is the first of the losers". Problem is Stefano (despite all your tough talk together w/ your boss, Luca), it's looking more and more like you were the only one(s) who never knew that.

Valentino from montreal

No matter how u decide to analyze Ferrari hiring Raikkonen , it's not hard to come to the conclusion :

The top brass wants a driver who is better than Fernando Alonso ...

- if they believed he is the "best" , all they needed to do was hire a quick number 2 , like Webber or a Grosjean .. Somebody who can consistently bring in the points while ..

No , instead , what they did was go and hire their 2007 world champion and make very clear that their ambition is to WIN ... If people don't see that as a clear sign that Ferrari don't believe 100% in Alonso anymore , I don't know what is ... Raikkonen will out qualify Alonso all year long ... He beat all of his previous teammates , very tough ones , starting at McLaren with Coulthard ... Alonso did not show superiority over the newly rookie Hamilton , that says a lot ... Double world champions ( cough ) don't trail behind their rookie teammates !

Raikkonen on his day could of given Schumacher a very very hard time , almost as much as Hakkinen !


@Valentino, Massa kicked Kimi's derriere in 2008 (despite the Brazilian starting that season off in horrible form) and was on his way of doing so again in 2009 prior to his unfortunate accident mid-way through -- and don't go saying Ferrari toyed with the F2008 mid-season to better suit Massa. In 2007 Alonso had a difficult time adjusting to the more shaky Bridgestone tires (vs. the Michelins he used from 2001-2006) which, so happened also suited Hamilton's driving style better, plus the Spaniard also had to endure a fractious relationship w/ Ron Dennis and McLaren - who probably exerted some effort (subconsciously) to undermine his title campaign - but by season's end, he still finished within 2 points of winning the title and equal points with his team-mate (despite being ranked lower due to count back). To accomplish all that, given the difficult circumstances, is no mean feat, allied with the personal observation (w/ a hint of bias) that Hamilton was more potent during his rookie years than he is now (I say that since I think, since falling out with his dad, the Brit has inhibited himself by getting distracted with the bling that came with F1 superstardom).

Although, I agree, It's true Ferrari has lost faith in Alonso, that was evident some 1-2 years ago when Luca was voicing out to the media that Alonso needs to prove himself and win the championship (despite driving superbly in 2010 and 2012)............ albeit simply sidestepping/ignoring the fact that, all that while, Ferrari has not fulfilled its side of the obligation having failed to produce a consistent winning package.


"Raikkonen will out qualify Alonso all year long"

Based on what are you saying that???

On the fact that Kimi was beaten *BY MASSA*???

On the fact that he had a hard time against *GROSGEAN*???

Would you bet your house on what you just said???



Agree with you. it gets my goat when peeps seem to think Kimi is some sort of a racing God (like Lewis ) no comparison. Alonso will subdue him easily, love to see the 'iceman' deal with that one.


Alonso was regularly out qualified last year by post accident useless Massa!

How bad is that?!!


why such dramatic emotion?


No emotions here Dean, just facts....


No Val- I would say Montoya was very fast team mate, and even Massa was very fast in 2008.On his day Kimi actually beat Schumacher in his custom Ferrari. On his day Kimi Raikkonen was 2 sec faster than everybody at Spa and 1/2 faster than Alonso at his very best at Monaco!.

Like I said further up- Ferrari are hedging their bets with signing him.. Plain and simple


Hi Elie,

I was looking for post of yours that you could reply to if you chose to. In regards to the engine decisions on running rich and lean, you had me questioning things I had read before and the engineering thermodynamics I did 16 years ago at uni. So I went back to look. 😉

Best power comes from a slightly rich mixture. Injecting more fuel into the combustion chamber cools the resultant mix more, resulting in lower temperatures and that in turn lowers the exhaust gas temperatures.

So to me there are a few trade off with fuel mixture comes from determining how much fuel to use within the fuel limits:

a) richer for a fixed amount of turbo boost brings more engine power in the range the teams will consider at the direct expense of fuel consumption. It also reduces the exhaust gas temperature, reducing the energy available for the turbo to extract.

b) increasing the boost level increases the exhaust gas energy as there will be more air and possibly more fuel going in - either way the turbo will get more energy passing through it. Because there are heat losses in the process, running less boost is probably more efficient thermodynamically, but I'd need to relearn a heap of thermodynamics for that.

The intercooler is another interesting part of the picture. The greater the delta in temperature from the intercooler the denser the air and the more power you can generate. I don't remember what having more and colder intake air does to the exhaust gas temperature.

The compression ratio or more importantly the expansion ratio, is another trade off. The larger the ratio the less energy for the turbo. Opening the exhaust valves earlier gets chops off the long incremental work gains to instead let the turbo have a go at extracting that energy.

Re Kimi being the fastest in 2003-05, I think Schumacher had him covered. If you look up the drag racing records, Tony Schumacher was easily getting to 500 km/h. Kimi rarely got to 360 km/h. In 2007 Andy Green popped up.

If you gave Kimi a car that handled like an 2003-2005 McLaren I suspect he'd be about the same he was then again. The McLaren was fast partly due to the performance and reliability tradeoffs were very aggressive on cooling and hence the car had a lot of downforce. I don't think there's any evidence that 10 years on he's lost anything at all. People can speculate that he's fat or unmotivated, but so much of this is about confidence and feel. How can anyone see 0.2-0.3 second over a minute in the first place, and how can you prove that it isn't something that isn't compatible with a driver's style. The Canberra lounge room perspective that I have is that Kimi has a relatively narrow comfort level for one-lap pace compared to Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton. In the race that difference is not apparent. This year we get a direct comparison with Alonso in this year's cars. For trying to tie that to a well balanced McLaren and a Renault with so much turn-in oversteer that the only way to drive it fast was to force it to understeer is irrelevant. As always the history books are written and fans are free to disagree.

We get bits of info on how driver's perform, e.g. Kimi in Melbourne in 2013, but we don't get the full context of what every driver did. Teams generally like to talk up their drivers as the drivers tend to be more emotional than they let on. We can try to judge styles, especially in slow corners, but the car is in the mix too, which make that more complicated. Even statements by drivers like Webber that Alonso and Vettel are in his eyes the best in the field, while potentially more valid than most other opinions, are potentially clouded by friendship and self interest.



Valentino from montreal

Are you still upset over 2003 ? Get over it .

As far as I recall , When Schumacher took the lead in the drivers championship at Canada , he never lost it and did'nt look back ... Yes indeed : ))


Kimis mclaren 2003 failed while he led the european gp. He had 2 engine problems & still finished 2nd in the races before Canada- all this in Mclaren mp4-17b chasis-2002. and he lost by how much -- YUP 2 pts & 2005 - 16 pts with many engine failures!-he is equal to a triple WDC already. He was then easily the fastest driver on Earth and remains in the top few today.


I don't think Ferrari could get a quick but subservient second driver. Webber turned them down after all.

I think Kimi was a panic reaction to say to everyone if Alonso does leave for McLaren or Red Bull we will still have a world champion in the line up. Ferrari driving without a WDC seems to terrify them now.


@ Valentino from Montreal

The top brass wants a driver who is better than Fernando Alonso … Is kimi a better pilot than Alonso ? Come on, your notion is joke of the millenium

If kimi is better than Alonso ? Then why Ferrari ousted him at the end of 2009 ? (Now do not come up with santander Drivel as i have seen enough posts already here like that).

Kimi was humbled by Massa and Romain. Because kimi outpaced David means he is not top class pilot by any means. Kimi is not quicker than any of his recent team-mates. The likes of JPM, Massa and Grosjean

Now why Ferrari hired kimi ? Becuase Ferrari have ran out of options. You pointed out webber here. Yes Ferrari Approached webber and prepared a 2 year deal for him to replace massa come the end of 2013. Yet webber's Repudiation and retirement plans made the move impossible. Not just that Ferrari were interested and approached Mclaren to Hire Jenson as well to replace massa. Jenson confirmed the interest he received from ferrari in 2013. Yet mclaren provided him contract extension and opted to keep jenson. Ferrari did had hulkenburg in mind as well. Yet Ferrari went for kimi because the team knows kimi well and vice versa. Kimi is more solid NO 2 than massa which is why Ferrari hired him. LDM has only approved this however he never liked the reunion of kimi with ferrari. It's stefano who hired kimi back which makes lot of sense as kimi is consistent enough and finishes in points or poduims more often the massa

As far as 2007 you people keep tilling the topic just to demean Alonso's history as much as you can. Yet this is a complete failure. Because lewis and Fernando moved on from 2007. Heck Even lewis Confessed alonso is the best pilot out there in F1 umpteen times in front of the media for last few season or years.


Of course Lewis is going to admit "Alonso is best pilot out there", they were equally matched so he makes himself look good as well. He's hardly going to say "Alonso isn't very good and I finished level points with him so I mustn't be very good either"! Pretty obvious


Sorry but you are as deluded as the people you try to prove wrong. Alonso did not exactly "Vettel" his championships and recently when he had a shot at the titles, he was bested.

But this is why they are the best drivers, win or loose by small margins, cause small margins separate those type of drivers.


wake up call needed!

Quite a few people who follow this sport, at least as much as you, think Kimi will beat Alonso in the same equipment.

But maybe he won't beat him.

We'll all get to see how they compare driving under the same mark, in a few weeks.

I look forward to finding out, more than finding out that Kimi beats Alonso; but I think Kimi will beat Alonso; I think it will be fair enough for that to happen.


And yeah I expect all the 3 Scandinavian drivers are gonna beat their team-mates this year!


Yes, a wake up call needed. I am sure Kimi is not gonna spring a surprise on anyone. He will do what is expected of him. Which is, he's gonna SHUT UP and get his work done and in the process be a Position or 2 higher than Fernando Alonso on the leader board. Be it with a WDC or not.


Have to agree with Val


As much as a Kimi fan I am, I think Kimi will have a tough time qualifying well on today's tyre specs. He needs a grippy front end to perform over a lap. On 2005 Michelins he had that.


nothing to see that says we won't have plenty of grip at the front end, compared to the traction at he back end, I believe it is this comparative which is important for the setting-up approach used by Kimi.

I don't think front end grip issues with the 2014 Ferrari will be an issue for set up and approach for Raikonnen.


But don't forget the increase in torque, that could be and advantage to him, and Alonso is not precisely the best qualifier either, so at that point they could be very even.


nice post, mate...go iceman 🙂


The media exaggerated certain things about Alonso last year. Don’t pay too much attention into that. If Ferrari didn’t believe in Alonso, they would have sent him home already.


Coulthard a tough teammate? Hardly think so.


“Alonso did not show superiority over the new rookie” No he just managed to finish that season on equal points even with the team BOSS declaring “we were not racing Kimi, we were racing Alonso”.


Okay, I have to write a line or two about the team mate comparatives for the announced 2014 Ferrari F1 drivers.

Alonso's greatest challenge as a driver, aside from the pairing with another top-tiered driver, Hamilton (even though it was Hamilton's rookie year, people paying attention soon could tell that Hamilton was the real deal, definitely at the conclusion of qualifying for the first race), which was an unmitigated disaster MELTDOWN, by Alonso! Yes, his most direct challenge was Webber, and by my measure, Webber is a strong benchmark, and Alonso was the clear victor, though maybe not so much as Vettel over Webber (which was close to devastating).

Couthard and Webber are comparable.

We do not have enough evidence to make a Grosjean v Massa comparison.

The Kimi v Massa and Alonso v Massa are such different scenarios, and this goes to the central point of comparison between the two of them, since entering F1, that I should like to go to the next point.

Alonso has always insisted upon clear preferential status during his F1 career; when he doesn't get it, he has imploded.

Kimi has never insisted upon a designated number one status at any team, and thus has not 'pushed his teammates under' before they even get to the race track.

Alonso is relentless, and his off-track tactics are obsessive; normally this undermining of the in team adversary has been very successful with management confederacy.

The signal coming from Maranello is that this confederacy is over!

That is the big signal coming from management.

Notwithstanding, Alonso will be relentless.

Unfortunately for him, this tactic will be much less likely to work with Kimi, because of how he operates, then, the weakness in it will result in amplified frustration in the Alonso camp at Ferrari, which will obsessively escalate issues as it becomes more and more obvious that it is not working.

It will be difficult to manage.


Yep true.


Welll said Dean!!


The mistake you make is Alonso was a double world champion then, Hamilton shouldn't have been close to him at all!


And you forget rookie is always more hungry to prove himself no matter the cost, especially if his name is Lewis.


No matter how hungry a rookie is a rookie and a DWC should not have been shown up like that he was driving like the Rookie in the team!

Fernando "150%" Alonso



Senna defeated Prost too, but that did not impacted Prost as a great driver. Alonso/Prost/Lauda just did not push to the limit, counting probabilities of success vs. death.


It's still very early days with just one test completed with teams testing their reliability alone. Only when teams actually do their race simulations we can come to any conclusion.

I don't see any between these two champion drivers. Both are very good on Saturdays and Sundays. Yes their sat performance may not seem lighting quick but it's not slower just that few drivers getting bit more than these two but come raceday both able to get the job done. Both have form issues for Kimi Raikkonen it is the mid-season where he loses the stream whereas for Fernando Alonso it is the end of season.

So with double points for final grandprix, it might play crucial role in their final standing.



A statement tends to be a fact - when you have a large sample size.


Nothing to do with them loosing steam. There are plenty of other technical factors that influence their performance. What you can be sure of drivers like Alonso or Kimi, you give them capable car, they will fight with all the got.


Sure technical factors do influence but what i saw in the past 15 years only two drivers Vettel and M Schumacher able to drive the car to the maximum week after week(example their winning streak). Both Raikkonen and Alonso struggle in that part. Raikkonen is consistent enough to score but in some races he finish outside top 5 and in Alonso's case i don't believe he is getting maximum out of car week after week and i strongly believe 2012 is his best.


This was in response to post 29 by Valentino from montreal.


That is the saddest line I've heard!

Loses makes comments like "Finishing second is a strategy"

With a mindset and comments like that its no surprising Ferrari are as rubbish as they are!

I mean really u don't hear Horner making comments like that!

I don't have any belief in Domenicali!

I think his a rubbish leader!

He doesn't seem particularly bright his not ruthless his not decisive (taking 3 years to fire Massa and to realise they need a new technical director) and lastly all he ever does is makes excuses!

As long as his in charge I pity Ferrari!

True leaders like Ross Brawn are born to win!

"finishing second" isn't a strategy for them

Either that or he means Raikkonen's knows he has to finish no2 to Alonso!


no doubt Ferrari have contributed a huge amount to motorsport< but its these kind of arrogent statements that i dont like and makes me keen to see them crushed by Merc and Mclaren.


Ok, maybe I'm missing something in your post (english its not my natural language), but I'd say you misread the title line. It says "tragedy", not "strategy"...

If this is what happened, you are going to get millions of comments like this one.


Obviously i believe Fernando Alonso would have no problem to have a competitive teammate and what happened in McLaren was because of teams immature strategy about choosing number one driver in that intense competition and it should be two time world champion "Fernando Alonso" IMO. I am sure that Fernando Alonso will clear all the doubts that some people still have about having a competitive teammate with his professional treatment.


Yes mate

"Obviously i believe Fernando Alonso would have no problem to have a competitive teammate" - True to the Cert

Very well said, Fernando can handle any pilot as team-mate 2007 is long gone.




Wow. Almost every week. I hope he isn't pushing himself too hard.


If Ferrari lets Kimi race to win, they will not finish 2nd this year.


Bring it on! Kimi Raikkonen Vs Fernando Alonso Vs Sebastian Vettel Vs Daniel Riciardo Vs Lewis Hamilton Vs Nico Rosberg!!

Bring it ON!! The more the merrier 🙂 Whoever comes out on top, I am sure I would have enjoyed one of the best seasons in Formula 1 🙂


Forgot the McLaren Team Drivers!! What a sin, okay.. special mention!! Watch out for Jenson and Kevin!!

I kinda have a feeling the Magnussen Button battle is gonna also be on center stage!

Three Scandinavians in F1 🙂 Will be awesome!

heinzman (fan of: ALO)

Whatever you do Stefano, give the boys a car they can qualify with! Ferrari poles are rarer than a complete shifts in magnetic north


Exactly Superb post Man

Stefano D is not good enough to keep his JOb. Had this been a Football club manager / coach Stefano would have been sacked and would never land any new job for himself.

Time and time again Ferrari come up with more excuses rather than better car. Then Ferrari tried to catch up with RBR which has not happened and will never happen.


So if the rumours are true then Alonso is Ferrari's main man with Raikkonen there to back him up, but if Kimi starts to beat Fernando a little too often then here are some helpful remedies from the friendly guys at RBR:

1: Have Kimi have an unexpected alternator failure.

2: Have Kimi have a slippery clutch off the start line.

3: Swap Fernando's front wing for Kimi's front wing.

4: Have Kimi's ERS fail.

5: Fail to attach one of Kimi's wheels correctly.

6: Have Kimi's engine catch fire.

Problem sorted 🙂


@ Random 79

There is no need for any remedies from Lotus team.

Because Ferrari have enough ice creams with them which can be consumed by Kimi when he was humbled by Alonso just to keep his cool.


I'm not sure. Fernando doesn't like fast team-mates.........2007 at Macca springs to mind. We'll see!


Let the racers race as what I say. Gentlemen, good luck, best man wins.


@ GazBoy

"Fernando doesn’t like fast team-mates" - This is clear myth and drivel. How do we know or conclude he does not want competitive team-mate? yes 2007 was one such scenario where Mclaren promised fernando something which never materialized.

Above all lewis and Fernando have moved from the 2007 Debacle. One cannot really fault lewis nor Alonso for the 2007 issues. Mclaren had lost the plot with team management in 2007. Even Martin Whitmarsh confessed that the situation could have been handled lot better.

Most people just keep tilling 2007 as example just to demean the Legacy or History of Fernando.

I am one for who cannot wait for the season to start annd interested to see how Alonso will carry on himself If ever he encounters a difficult scenario

Personally i am cert that Alonso will not have any issues with kimi being his team-mate.


Random, remember that episode (where Krusty gets cancelled) of the Simpsons with Grandpa' Simpsons pal singing "Old grey mare ain't what she used to be?"

Well how about "Old red bull ain't what she used to be, ain't what she used to be, ain't what she used to be........."

Five odd weeks to Melbourne............


The Red Bull is probably fine, but the thing powering it is certainly not.

Besides, that prancing horse ain't what it used to be either 😉



At this early stage I'm not too sure of anything, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.


I wouldn't be too sure about that (the Red Bull thing).


"Old red Ferrari she ain't what she used to be, ain't what she used to be, ain't what she used to be........."

On a serious note, agree that the Bull has good aerodynamic potential, but that Regie V6 is so far a lemon.


You also forgot the best remedy of all:

"Multi 12 Kimi! multi 12!"


I honestly believe that this kind of internal sabotage will be stymied by Allison.

Alonso has had his run of the place, ridiculously so, ever since he joined, the result? No victories (WDCs)!

That's the bottom line - IT DIDN'T WORK!

Thus a new approach.

Since Alonso only stays at teams where he has clear, out right (even ridiculously so) no. one status, he will not be staying in this situation.


What bottomline you talk about here ? So you say the driver who performed poorly and ousted by the team. because he simply could not beat another average pilot in the same car (Worked?)

There is another super talented and fast pilot one who gave every ounce of himself to win the WDC (Does not work?). Simply because Ferrari failed to make the correct strategy call and The lotus drivers have took him out from Belgium and japan 2012 GP.

Hilarious to say the least...


This is from Kimi Fan,

Ferrari above all wouldn't really want to upset title sponsors "Santander" would they?

Why would you loose that kind of money or strain the relationship with Alonso being#2.

But above all Ferrari has to be win Championships...they haven't won anything in the last 4 yrs. So Kimi has been brought in the help push their WCC bid.

Looking at their mistakes in 2010 and 2012, they may not want to Alonso to win WDC for whatever the reason i.e how did he loose the title after being so close on 2 occasions....It's not like he made driving errors....(Just speculating 🙂 )

Some storm brewing behind the scenes...you never when will something explode...


Honestly I think Ferrari would be happy to win a championship with either driver - as you say it's been a while between drinks for them 🙂 - but if after 4 years of being beaten by Vettel Alonso suddenly finds himself being beaten by Raikkonen then yes, he might just explode.


If Fernando does combust, then at least Ferrari can use that explosion for their ERS...........ha ha!


Forgot radio message

Kimi you shouldnt be faster than Fernando

In Italian, of course


Do not worry Even Jules and charles pic can drive quicker than Kimi

Watch this space. Kimi to ousted for the second time from Ferrari which will end his career.


7: Spike his spaghetti . . .

8: Invade Finland . . . (budget permitting)


Random, Can I add

9. Forget to fill up his fuel tank

10. Drive into the side of him

11. Set his tyre pressures wrongly

12. Get Lewis to drive into the side of him

13. Get him to eat a bit more and put on a bit of weight to compromise his ballast

14. Make him wear DC skintight white jeans

15. Make him wear EJ shirts

16. Get him to listen to Lewis favourite rap music

17. Make him spend a whole day with EJ

No.17 will certainly do the trick!


If he survives 14, 15 and 16 then yes, 17 will certainly finish him off 🙂


8 seems a bit extreme, but whatever gets the job done 🙂


What rumors? There's nothing more than people reading too much into some offseason quotes.


True, but I can't see Kimi spending every spare second in the simulator either so we're back to square one 🙂


Yeah, but it really tells you how much the press hype differs from reality.


Speculation is just a fancy way of saying guessing based on limited information and rumours 😉

And the facts we got? Er...none 😀


Sorry, that's not accurate enough for me.

Well here's a fact. Alonso did zero simulator work last season. What a hard working guy! 😀


Hence the "if".

Besides, at this time of year what else do we have to work with? 😉


Good old supposition..........."well I suppose Fernando is better than Kimi" or "well I suppose Kimi is better than Fernando"

Blah, blah, blah..............

When the red lights go out in Melbourne, Sepang, Bahrain and Shanghai all the supposition stops, and the drivers will do their talking on the track.

Exactly how it should be!


No, that doesn't save you. You should've used Speculation instead.

How about working with the facts we got? 😀


Haha Random you forgot some important ones:

*Ask Kimi to turn down his engine, never mind if Fernando doesn't turn down his then AMBUSH,

*Let Domenicali learn to say the "this is silly Fred" line in a more convincing manner.

*Goodluck with the boos when they eventually start coming


He couldn't be any less convincing than Horner...or Vettel for that matter...


Kimi is easily discouraged and mentally weak. Look how he fell apart against Massa.

Alonso lags behind Vettel and Hamilton (and Hulkenberg too) in terms of driving ability, but he is a master politician and manipulator.

That being said, if Alonso doesn't get inside Kimi's head and all of a sudden Kimi is consistently beating him, Alonso will crack and blame everyone but himself for his failings.

It's a fascinating battle.



You are false.

the comment, premise, about "... easily discouraged and mentally weak. Look how he fell apart against Massa." is utterly disproven.


"Alonso lags behind Vettel and Hamilton (and Hulkenberg too) in terms of driving ability, but he is a master politician and manipulator"

Wow what a wit is your post man, you are the wonderland it seems

Lewis himself confessed he is still behind alonso in terms of overall driving ability or performance. you can check this if you can go through archived articles.

As far as Vettel he has had it too easy for years now. Sub-dued team mate and the entire entourage from his team combined with superior machinery what else you expect other than 4 WDC'S from the lad ? Having said that vettel deserves his 4 titles though. Yet he has to prove to the world what he can do with RBR which cannot qualify for Q3. May this 2014 put RBR in it's usual position pre 2009 (Midfield runners) Then we can see what vettel can do from there.

Hulk is good prospect for future yet to say he is better than alonso is a complete farce. Hulk needs to be compared against the likes of Daniel, Romain, Pastor and rosberg first before he can be even pitted against the pilots of elite class.


"What i meant is vettel has to provide some gritty performances in a lousy car. HE has not been in that scenario yet throughout his career to this point"

So when he was driving the TR does not count? Afterall he was beating others!

"This does not mean he has to win WDC from P11 or P12. Also i have clearly pointed out that vettel deserves his 4 WDC’S yet he has not had tough competiton. Vettel only had to beat webber to win WDC’S for the last 4 seasons, which he has done at will."

Beating your team mate is the number 1 rule in F1.

Is Webber the only other competitor what of the other drivers its not his prob if other teams fall of the development path. When Vettel wins its the car, when other do its their talent!

"Let RBR come up with 3rd or 4th fastest car for a season atleast (I am sure this will not happen). Then we will see how vettel manages the situation."

How would you know its the 3rd fastest afterall some people have tried to prove his win in Monza '08 was in the fastest car.

Why does IRBR need to come up with a dud why not the other teams actually building better cars?


"Yet he has to prove to the world what he can do with RBR which cannot qualify for Q3. May this 2014 put RBR in it’s usual position pre 2009 (Midfield runners) Then we can see what vettel can do from there."

Name a champion who has won in the same kind of scenario you want Vettel to be in!


At Valencia 2012 Alonso did nothing special.

Performed poorly in qualifying in a strong car (had been quick since Barcelona) so had a bunch of slower cars in front that he was able to gradually overtake.

Benefited from the very fortuitous timing of the safety car.

Vettel was cruising to victory when he had a mechanical problem.

A truly incredible drive that season was Vettel at Abu Dhabi where he came from last to finish 3rd.

Also Brazil 2012 where he came from last with a damaged car to finish 6th in difficult driving conditions and with the pressure of winning a 3rd world championship at stake. Alonso barely finished ahead of Massa.

Don't forget Brazil 2008 where in a Toro Rosso he finished 4th and ahead of world champion Hamilton!

Fernando "150%" Alonso

Alonso, Valencia, 2012


@ Rockie

What i meant is vettel has to provide some gritty performances in a lousy car. HE has not been in that scenario yet throughout his career to this point

This does not mean he has to win WDC from P11 or P12. Also i have clearly pointed out that vettel deserves his 4 WDC'S yet he has not had tough competiton. Vettel only had to beat webber to win WDC'S for the last 4 seasons, which he has done at will.

Let RBR come up with 3rd or 4th fastest car for a season atleast (I am sure this will not happen). Then we will see how vettel manages the situation.


Agree with most of your comments, but we can't quantify if Hulky better than Fernando, Kimi et al (or vice versa) because the lad hasn't been given a Macca or Merc, or Prancing Horse to drive. Yet.

I do rate Hulky very highly. Remember Brazil 2012? Where did that performance come from? If it was a car advantage, why wasn't Mr Di Resta up there as well? Brazil 2012 was a real stand out performance from Hulky. I agree he's probably not quite at Fernando's level yet, but your comparing different drivers who are different ages and at different levels of their career.

Perhaps Ferrari are readying Nico a contract if Fernando doesn't work out in 2014? Stranger things have happened!


Re Krischar: Fair points. I agree Fernando has spent his peak years in a Prancing Horse that hasn't been worthy of his talent. No one would deny that.

Having said that, while Ferrari have lacked vision and direction in their design department, Fernando is human and he has made some elementary errors, Monaco 2010 practice just one example. I also think Fernando can be petulant and his temperament lacks the cold, clinical emotionless edge of the likes of Sebastian, Jenson and yes, Hulky.

At the end of the day, Fernando and Ferrari were humiliated in 2011 and 2013 by Bull and Sebastian. Hopefully, Fernando, Kimi and Prancing Horse will not just be third or fourth grid cannon-fodder in 2014. We'll see!


@ GAz boy

I did not make that comparison between Fernando and hulk. It was my response to the German samurai.

See this is complete farce how on earth a driver like Nico H can be compared with Fernando ? Yes hulkenburg have put in some good performances over the last few seasons like you pointed out. However so did rosberg, Grosjean and Even the likes of Pastor / Daniel.

Yes you are correct about the drivers from different generation and ages.

"Perhaps Ferrari are readying Nico a contract if Fernando doesn’t work out in 2014? Stranger things have happened" ? Does this mean NIco to get the Ferrari drive at the expense of alonso ? If so then it's hilarious to the say least.

I was for one who believe Fernando should have left the team by 2012 itself. Simply because Ferrari are not interested to win anything WDC or WCC. Ferrari have come jup with poor cars year after year with excuses like wind tunnel correlation, Lack of rear downforce Etc...

Fernando drove a historic and stellar season of this decade in 2012 and lost the WDC by 3 points. Fernando took the fight to RBR with his on track performances. Yet the lackadaisical Ferrari team and lotus drivers have gifted the WDC to vettel in 2012.

Without fernando's points or performances Ferrari were a laughing stock for the last 4 seasons. When Fernando questioned this in 2013 LDM played the politics game. It does not matter which driver ferrari will hire in the near future unless and until they can come up with better car rather than better excuses they will not win anything. My only worry is Alonso has wasted his peak years and performances with Ferrrari for nothing.


Heavily biased comment. Raikkonen weak? Really? Alonso, two time WDC, managed to finish on the same number of points as his teammate even when his team principal infamously declared: "we are racing Fernando", finished second in three of the last four seasons, and you rank him behind an unproven quantity such as Hulkenberg? You 've got to be kidding me.


In 2007, Hamilton was leading Alonso in the championship when Alonso tried to blackmail Ron Dennis.

He had been out-driven by his rookie teammate and tried to blackmail the team into sabotaging Hamilton.

To McLaren's credit they gave him equal equipment for the rest of the season.

He didn't deserve it.


yes tyemz you are on the money here mate

Lot of heavily biased posts here against Fernando for no reason really.

I do not understand how on earth one can compare a driver like hulk with Fernando ? This is totally beyond insanity


Your first line just made me laugh.


"Kimi is easily discouraged and mentally weak. Look how he fell apart against Massa."

The most absurd thing I've ever read, so how did he beat Montoya and Coulthard??? Kimi didn't fell apart against Massa, a set of misfortunes and the car suited to Massa went against him in 2008....


@ Brad

"car suited to Massa"

Ok, Kimi beats Massa in 2007 and wins the 2007 WDC with the mercy of Massa - Kimi is great driver.

And when Massa whipped Kimi in 2008 and 2009 until Hungary - car suited to Massa, Ferrari backed up Massa, No front-end grip, Car set-up issues, Reliability concerns.

How much and more excuses left to defend Kimi?

Wake up and accept the reality / facts


Perhaps fell apart against Massa is the wrong terminology. However, in 2008 and 2009 Kimi was a shadow of his former self to the Macca racer from 2003 to 2005, and there were some races - Germany 2008 and Singapore 2009 off the top of my head - where I wondered why he bothered to turn up for work at all.

Kimi is a modern day Carlos Reutemann, a total enigma, perhaps that's the best analogy.


Both Ferrari drivers are amongst the best 5 on the grid. Nobody can really tell who is "the best" unless they were all driving identical cars for a whole season.

What we can say is that Kimi is largely unaffected by team politics and just wants to drive the car. He's developed into a thoughtful pilot capable of bringing the car home in a podium position with real consistency.

Alonso is the consummate politician but everything has to be in his favour and he will get stressed if Kimi beats him regularly..

In the new era I suspect Kimi might be better at adapting his driving style but Alonso will make better use of the pit wall and that may be decisive.

The only certainty is that there will be fireworks at some point in the season ahead and nobody can be sure who will be the winner.

Isn't that great ?


as there is a limit of fuel they will all be about the same power very soon. its not like they hire idiots. designing and building every component of an f1 car is a bigger deal than making an engine.


Good point. I agree on the full power thing.


Seriously, the only fascinating thing here is what the hell happens inside your head that makes you write this things. Are you simply a troll or its something deeper and far more severe? Not even Val or Sebee make this kind of posts...


Jesus, this was for comment Nº 41 (German Samurai), not for you James!!!


Yeah I'd that a swing and a miss lol...


SD and what ?!?! if Kimi does finish 2 nd !

the same quest to your boss too;

KR was in and out fast not long ago racing for Ferrari ; it's not 1st time

and KR knows it, lived it


Kimi lost interest after his crown. It seems he rediscovered his interest in F1, though, otherwise he wouldn't resign with Ferrari as Alonso's team mate.


I have just read about Villeneuves comments on artificial racing in F1. He is right about fans losing interest. I probably now only watch a handful of live races and overtaking is now boring. I am not being negative or having a big moan, but I think the sporting aspect of F1 is losing credibility. Best regards.


don't underestimate raikonnens ability to also play the political cards as well. the so called 'ice man' image is simply that, an image.

friends of mine in europe who know kimi well frequently say that the kimi one sees in the F! public arena is not the real kimi. raikonnen has been around for a long time now. he is a very smart cookie and the same can be said for alonso. that is why the new season is so alluring. personally i hope that the ferrari is a cracker then maybe we'll get to see some thrilling action. that is of course if the fuel consumption actually allows them to race!.


You have friends who know kimi well? interesting.


Kimi is the last of the dinosaurs from the seventies. May he give Sebastian and Fernando a run for their money (and Lewis, Jenson, the Nicos, …)


Krischar, I do not think Vettel was gifted the Champioship in 2012. He won the most races that season and proved to be the fastest driver. That's it. Winning is about speed.


Raikonen is grossly overestimated, Massa easily beat him in 2008, and only the fight between Hamilton and Alonso (who took the points off each other) gave him the championship. It will be clear this season how superior Alonso is to him this season.