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Posted By:   |  27 Oct 2013   |  5:49 pm GMT  |  186 comments

He certainly divides opinion among fans around the world, but Sebastian Vettel has been heaped with praise from the Formula One community following his fourth consecutive title at the Indian Grand Prix.

After a dominant drive to his tenth win of 2013, the young German claimed to be ‘speechless’ at the reality of joining Fangio, Prost and Schumacher as a quadruple Champion.

However, he went on to speak candidly about a tough season that has seen his frequent podium finishes ruined by a chorus of boos from fans around the world.

“I want to say a big thank you to everyone who is behind the team, it has not been an easy season,” said an emotional Vettel on the podium. “From the outside people will think it was easy but it wasn’t.

“It has been hard for me in particular, to be booed when I have not done anything wrong was hard but I think I answered the things on the track which I am very pleased about. I am overwhelmed, I don’t know what to say but it is the best day of my life so far.”

And his accomplishments have been recognised by a man that achieved the same feat in 1993, Alain Prost. The Frenchman, who Vettel is often compared to with his calculated approach to racing, believes that there is more to come from the young German.

“I’m delighted to see Sebastian win the title today,” explained Prost. “He is a great driver and he has had some outstanding wins this year, some of the best of his career so far. You can see he is methodical in his approach, builds a strong team around him, is 100 percent motivated for success and is entirely focused on the end result.

“He is a great champion and I don’t think this title will be his last. He has a good team around him and of course he is still young enough to challenge for more.”

Within Formula One, Vettel’s skill, passion and intellect is well-known and highly respected. Fernando Alonso stood as Vettel’s only competitor ahead of Sunday’s race, the Ferrari driver having a difficult day with an eleventh place finish.

Although, Alonso was quick to compliment Vettel on his success and says that his focus is to secure second place in the Constructors Championship for Ferrari.

“I congratulate him,” Alonso said. “They’ve been very strong, very dominant, especially in the second half of the season, so they deserve to be champions.

“We need to start thinking for next year and try to make things more difficult for him.

“I think overall the weekend was not good enough and in Abu Dhabi we have to improve if we want to pass Mercedes in the constructors’ championship.”

The Mercedes pair of Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton had a more positive result than in recent races, taking second and sixth places respectively.

“Massive congratulations to Seb on becoming four-time World Champion today,” said Hamilton. “That’s an awesome achievement and he’s put in some incredible performances this season. I really hope we get to take the fight to him next year!”

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Tornillo Amarillo

I love F1 and I hope this season is the last one Video-game style.

2

I don’t think these plaudits are as open as they seem. This is just PR, people playing their roles. Prost being magnanimous, he doesn’t need to make headlines for the wrong reasons. Alonso being honest as ever, referring to “they”. As for Seb, I don’t think he gives a damn what anyone really thinks, the only thing he cared about was getting booed in public. And the only reason the booing stopped is because F1 happened to go to the more publicly ‘polite’ countries like Japan and India. If it were in countries where demonstrations were more prevalent he’d have been booed. He didn’t show anything on track. We all know he’s a good driver, its just that the majority still question if he is great.

Certainly not done enough to claim to be a 4 time champion with his ultra fast Red Bull, apparently the lone Red Bull able to finish races this year. I do wish some of the big names in F1 would stop playing the game and be honest in assessment of Vettel, but I guess most of them got where they are because of playing the game.

3

People don’t say what I want to hear so they are not being honest.

4

Why is it that people who work or have worked in the paddock are playing a ‘game’? Can’t it be genuine praise? And a point of fact, he doesn’t CLAIM to be a four time champion, he IS a four time champion.

5

Much as I think RBR and Vettel have done a great job, I’ve completely lost interest in F1 again. All the tyre nonsense and DRS and the races are as dull and the result as predictable as in the early 2000s. With only half the races on the beeb, I just got out the habit of watching and found I didn’t miss it, and the utter predictability meant I just didn’t bother to make the effort to watch.

They desperately need to shake something up because the new engines aren’t going to be enough to liven up the processional borefest this sport has turned into.

6

Methinks Montoya would approve of Seb’s donuts.

7

What kind of donuts are we talking about here?

8

In… 35 years of closely following motor sport, I can’t recall such a wave of sentiment giving credit to a car or designer instead of the driver as we see with Vettel. Not Gordon Murray at McLaren, Newey at McLaren, Rory Byrne… Newey at Williams 92-93 comes close, and Prost and Mansell were already legends. I really think Vettel is the difference. He’s consistent, fit, fast, ruthless. If the package was as superior as some want to think, Webber would have been second in the points the last four years, yet he’s usually outscored at a high ratio, like Massa is with Alonso, Grosjean with Kimi. Apart from the Hulk destroying his teammate, and Bianchi, the rest are pretty close.

9

Amen to that. Schumachers cars were far greater then these RB’s, but I don’t recall any relentless wave of praise for Byrne and scorn for Schumacher as a result. The Newey worship is getting completely out of hand.

10

* Motorsport.

11

I’m not a Vettel fan, but I take my hat to the guy. A very special achievement.

I don’t understand people saying its all Newey? Senna won all his titles in the best car. Fangio only ever signed 1 year year deals, so he could make sure he was in the best car every season?

Vettel is now a true great and up there with any names you care to mention. I just hope Merc / Lewis give him a real run for their money next year!

12

Far too much ink is being invested trying to persuade us that Vettel is a once-in-a-lifetime talent. It’s like explaining a joke and expecting it to get funnier. It will not work.

A little sorry for Fernando. He seems all over the shop these days and if Ferrari flatter to deceive for much longer his legacy could suffer. Shame is, the one year that he was on the brink Renault sent Grosjean out there with a mission … subtler than the Briatore gambit and more effective.

13

Let me get if I have this right:

Are you seriously suggesting that under the team’s instructions Grosjean deliberately crashed in Spa 2012?

14

It wouldn’t even be team instructions, but instructions from their shared engine provider, Renault Sport F1. At least that’s how I read it.

It’s frustration manifesting itself as silly posts. Luca, it ain’t worth the hit to your cred.

Next time, try this (I find it helps): write whatever you want in the comment window, go away for 10 mins, come back and read it, and if it’s silly, delete it. If it’s fit to stand, hit Submit. Good advice for many out there.

15

Very good advice, but somewhat impractical if you intend to write several 🙂

16

Are you implying that Grosjean went out to DNF Alonso, and to do this he would scythe over on Hamilton at the start?!?! That is getting into Glock-Brazil-2008 territory.

17

Do you mean Petrov (Abu Dhabi 2010)?

18

Like a lot of others I am not the biggest fan of the guy but you can’t take anything away from him this season, he has been on a different planet to everyone else.

His ability to make the tyres work over the first few laps of every stint and his consistency from then on is on a different level. He is at one with his car in a way no other driver is this year or has been since Schumacher in 2002/4.

The way he has destroyed the opposition in the latter half of this season makes his little schoolboy tantrum in Malaysia look all the more foolish.

But hey a lot of the greats did things like that, none more so than Schumacher or Senna.

19

For the record: I LOVED Vettel’s pit straight celebrations. A striking and defining image, standing on the car framed by the tyre smoke, that will be remembered.

20

i do not think he is the best driver currently on the grid. But i do think he is ruining f1- I have found this season got steadily worse as vettels dominance grew- it is a problem for f1 certainly wouldn’t bother with sky subscription to watch this

as per all the comments he will not be great until he leaves red bull and does this with another team.

red bull must be concerned- they are a sports brand – the drink company bit has long been replaced- however this success is interestingly having a negative impact on their brand- true sport requires competition – something F1 just cant provide at moment – I love F1 i have been watching for 30 years – but think i am almost through with it- it did get a bit boring in the schumacher era but at least he played the villain part properly – he didn’t really care if people liked him or not- it is the vettel pretending to be a nice guy, like his boss christian that i find truly annoying (and the finger etc) i think if they were a bit more honest and showed what ruthless operators they both are ( how can red bull be anything other than evil with that Dr evil in charge of grooming racing drivers- if vettel/rb dominance continues next season i for one and i think quite a lot of fans will start switching off.

21

Blah blah blah.

For what your F1’fans’ are saying there are equally or more people saying the opposite.

Ask yourself why…

22

Yes? Do you have done a poll and do you have concluded that?

23

It was a reply to a post above. Somehow I pressed the wrong button haha.

Lighten up man!

24

Hilarious how someone could say he is best driver of his era when he has had a far better car than anyone in this era. Do you not understand what that means? It means they are not fighting with equal weapons.

Where was Vettel in the first 12 races of last year when he only won 1 race when the car was great but not dominant?

He is a paper newy champion and nothing more. Amazing he has fooled so many but I guess that happens after 4.5 years of driving dominant cars.

25

After 12 races of last season the standings were:

Alonso – 164

Vettel – 140

Add back the 25 points Vettel was cruising to in Valencia and remove Alonso’s inherited win and Vettel is leading the WDC by 8 points in a car you accept as not being dominant.

There goes your argument.

26

Why add that back though? You’ve included Alonso’s DNF in Belgium, so it’s fair to keep Vettel’s DNF in Valencia.

It was 164-122 before Belgium. If you want to use that as your starting point, it would be more valid. Add 25 for Vettel, minus 7 for Alonso, equals 157-147 still for Alonso, in a weaker car.

27

As above, bar a mechanical failure, Vettel is leading the WDC in a car only good enough for 2 wins in 12, compared to the Ferraris 3 wins in 12.

Aaah, but see now in this alternate dimension, you’ve removed one of Alonso’s wins, and given it to Vettel. You’ve also forgotten to add in Webber’s two wins when talking about the respective cars. So now it’s 4/12 wins for the RB8, and 2/12 for the F138.

As for your stance re: Alonso’s DNF, that’s a total cop-out. In your reckoning Vettel keeps his 18 pts from Belgium, and Alonso still gains none? How specifically does that qualify as excluding his DNF?!? Seems the same to me!

Fact is w/o the Grosjean carnage, Alonso was 4th heading into La Source (and 2nd was the jumped-starting Maldonado), and looking at how Massa fared, I think it’s safe to assume that Alonso would’ve finished ahead of Vettel that day, and likely would’ve been on the podium. Say 3rd to be conservative, with Vettel 4th. So that’s +15 for Alonso, -6 for Vettel.

Alonso = 164 – 7 + 15 = 172

Vettel = 140 + 25 – 6 = 159

Do you get the sense that you’re arguing a losing point? I admire your doggedness though … have you ever considered being a spinmeister for any scandal-plagued governments out there? 😉

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The original post stated the first 12 races of which Belgium was one thus the points above. Alonso’s Belgium DNF is included as is Vettel’s. The only difference is with Vettel’s we know he would’ve won the race, whereas we gave no idea where Alonso would’ve come in Belgium.

As above, bar a mechanical failure, Vettel is leading the WDC in a car only good enough for 2 wins in 12, compared to the Ferraris 3 wins in 12.

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“Where was Vettel in the first 12 races of last year when he only won 1 race when the car was great but not dominant?”

He was picking up points in a car that wasn’t the best. The McLaren of Button/Hamilton was the best car for ~75% of last season. Neither of them won the championship, it was Vettel again, having had the fastest car at perhaps a grand total of 5 races over the season.

The only driver who it’s possible to suggest is better than Vettel is Alonso, but his performances are terribly difficult to benchmark, yes the car doesn’t appear good, but he has full team backing with a team mate who moves over for him and also a team mate who is widely acknowledged as not having much pace. So is Fernando lightning quick, or is the car better than he says ? Impossible to know really.

I think Alonso is the only driver in the sport who gets anywhere near Vettel at present. In like for like cars I’ve a feeling Seb might win though, as he can deliver in qualifying whilst Fernando struggles.

30

[mod] Yes he was scoring measly points for 12 races because he was unable to make the difference and win without the best car, and he would have continued to be nothing more than a points scorer in a great car if newey didnt pull his magic and make it dominant in the last part of the season.

It proved Vettel is nothing with a dominant ebd car, real champions win races in those situations not just score points. The redbull was stil equal best for the first 12 races yet he trailed his journeyman team mate. Can you imagine Alonso or Senna losing to mark webber until Spa? What a joke.

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@Olestros, you’re right, my bad.

Though I think Webber being ahead after the 11th race still makes the OP’s point.

Also, his quote:

Can you imagine Alonso or Senna losing to mark webber until Spa?

… seems to suggest he was thinking about the standings post-Hungary.

Lastly, we both shoulda used URL-shorteners, eh? 🙂

32

KRB

Hungarian Grand Prix was the 12th race, the 12th race was Belgian Grand Prix and after that Vettel was ahead 140-132

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Belgian_Grand_Prix#Championship_standings_after_the_race

33

Oletros, how is that false? After last year’s Hungarian GP, Webber was ahead 124-122 over Vettel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Hungarian_Grand_Prix#Championship_standings_after_the_race

34

And by the way, you’re repeating the claim that he was losing against Webber when it is false.

35

75% of the season?!?! You can’t be serious. A car that is fast but doesn’t finish cannot be the best car! Button only had 5 points finishes from the first 9 races (he finished 7 races). The McLaren was woeful in Bahrain, Valencia, and Britain.

RBR had the WCC lead from the 4th round in 2012, and Webber led Vettel at midpoint of the season. The RB8 was easily the best car to be in last year.

36

I agree

37
Thread the Needle

Well done Seb, loved the doughnuts, perfect way to celebrate

38

1. Vettel can’t overtake (Indian GP)

2. Vettel can only win from pole (Korean GP)

3. Vettel can’t handle pressure (Brazilian GP)

4. Vettel can only win in the best car (Italian GP with Torro Rosso)

5. Vettel doesn’t have the talent of Hamilton and Alonso (Look the number of mistakes they’ve both made this year and compare it to Vettel)

I REST my case

Haters are going to hate but the legends is in front of our eyes. No hiding away from the FACT!

It’s an honor to watch Vettel race.

39

great summary.

I think this is just the beginning. At 26, there is plenty more to come from Vettel.

You can also add Abu Dhabi in regards to overtaking.

Points on first ever race.

Rain mastery – Monza 2008.

40

[mod]
F1 is a show.

If Grosjean becomes a champion, nobody will take it serious, because everybody understands it is a car mainly. Seasons when some driver carries the car on his shoulders are rare, but they occur. Such seasons are remembered. Recall Mansell/Newey domination is 1992, but Senna beat them in the rain and Monte Carlo. Recall 2012 when Alonso almost beat Vettel/Newey with strategy and super consistency. When the driver’s batteries are low after such seasons (which is normal thing), then there is no balance and autocar is winning all… If they made equal cars, Webber would win too.

Looking for the next year opening. Somebody still has something to deliver!

41

Congratulations to Vettel. It doesn’t matter what any of us say here because he now has four world championships…..and without deliberately crashing into anybody to accomplish them, or having a secret traction control. The only blemish on his year was passing Mark when told not to.

Next year different cars, different engines, turbos etc.

It will take a number of races to establish a front runner, but it all should be interesting stuff.

When Red Bull start losing it will interesting to see how long it is before they get out of the sport of F1. Go Mercedes and Hamilton.

42

Interesting to read on this website people who are quick to proclaim that they are not Vettel fans. This tells me there is probably something wrong with Vettel. Me thinks it’s not his personality as such, but the fact that he appears to be getting favours from RBR somewhat at the expense of Mark Webber. In Japan 2 weeks ago he was telling the team not to allow Mark Webber to overtake him. In the end it didn’t matter because Webber wasn’t fast enough, but you wonder why such a brilliant driver as Vettel would want such help from his team. The Multi-21 scandal also didn’t help and in retrospect it was probably unnecessary because he has won the Championship with a three races to spare.

43

> In Japan 2 weeks ago he was telling the team not to allow Mark Webber to overtake him

This is false, he was talking about Perez

44
Adrian Newey Jnr

Vettel’s smartest move was passing Webber in Malaysia. This broke his teammate and focused the team even more on supporting his effort this year.

Really disappointed about Webber. He’s not even close to 2nd place in the championship despite being in the best car.

45

“It has been hard for me in particular, to be booed when I have not done anything wrong…”

The last seven words of that sentence demonstrate that a) Vettel has a frightening absence of self-awareness/incredible self-delusion b) he will continue to be disliked by many fans.

To be fair to Vettel, Red Bull (specifically Horner, and above all, Marko) have significantly contributed to Vettel’s deeply unlikeable sense of entitlement.

46

Sebastian Vettel is the perfect F1 driver at the moment. The perfect driver ensures he is with the perfect designer, the perfect team, has a team mate he manages to domimnate to the level of development driver. Eliminates errors, maximises performance and potential to the point at which his performance in the equation of the many factors that make up performance is 100% dependable. He dominates the headlines to the level that the only variable is ‘who is going to come second this weekend’. It is practically impossible to fault him on anything at all, with the possible exception that he is too driven. (Multi 21).

Dull isn’t it?

…but that isn’t his fault, it’s everybody else’s for not being good enough to give a decent chase.

47

I quite agree.

It won’t last forever, we should enjoy it whilst it does.

48

Best car Webber will wall second – woops another mechanical problem…

49

I do think car failures on Webber’s side of the garage are one of the oddities of the season

50

If Seb went to a lesser team and started winning with them, the same trolls would start saying that his new team now has the best car. He should stay where he is, obliterate all the stats, and let the armchair warriors worry about how good he is or isn’t.

I’m a Button fan by the way, but Vettel is a great driver.

51

Also, name a driver that a team would not swap for Vettel if they had the chance.

52

He is a great qualifier, he is a very aggressive opponent, overtaking is his middle name and he delivers.

People boo him mostly because:

– he is not a nice teammate to have, even capable of betraying the team and his teammate.

– he could show a bit of respect by not sticking the finger whenever he wins (same goes for Alonso a few years ago counting wins).

– he is dominant. People don’t like dominance.

It’s in our DNA, we like to see WDCs decided in the last race, in the last corner like last year or in 2008 (IIRC). 50, 60, 70 points ahead of the 2nd is too much for us. IMHO Pirelli is to blame for such a big point gap when after summer break they chose the softer rubbers. We’ve seen drivers running a couple of laps with the super softs and then going for primes the rest of the race…

– he (still) leaves room for doubt. If people really knew that he has won all these WDC’s due to hard work and being the best, they wouldn’t boo him. But most people still doubt if it’s the car/team or if it’s the driver.

I say it’s both. Schumacher wasn’t wrong when he said that SV (at the age of 19) was going to be his successor.

But I still would like to see him on a McLaren/Ferrari to see how good he is in fact.

53

ummmm did they ask Di Resta?

“Well in Formula 3 in 2006 I beat this new legend comfortably in the same car, that must make me better than Senna :)”

Did they ask Jean-Eric Vergne?

“Umm Bonjour in 2011 in Abu Dhabi, I drove this new legends RB7 at the young driver test and went 2 seconds faster than his pole time. Now I rarely get out of Q1 but that must make me better than Fangio :)”

Did they ask Daniel Ricciardo?

“Good day mate, at Silverstone this year Christian Horner showed me the data and fuel and tyre corrected I was 2 tenths quicker than this new legend, I think therefore I must be better that Schumacher :)”

54

Di Resta – the year Vettel had a bad crash, doing several races while driving with an injury, while also testing for BMW Sauber and racing in another series?

2011 YDT

1.Jean-Eric Vergne 1min 38.917secs (after the race, thus track MUCH more rubbered in)

2011 Abu Dhabi Qualifying

1.Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 01:38.481

2013 ‘YDT’, one 3 time WDC with nothing to prove, one young guy driving for his future?

So to sum up, first point you ignore a serious injury, second point your facts are wrong, third point tenuous at best, Dan had consequences, Seb had none.

55

Stunning pole lap, impressive race performance, blah blah blah.

A great driver, no doubt. But best car by a mile.

I think you (F1 professionals) need to stop selling Sebastian Vettel, and listen to the public and the boos. Stop pretending and face the reality that F1 fans are saying…

I don’t remember nobody “selling” Senna as a great driver, and he have not 4 WDC in a row. Ask yourself why…

56

Marcelo there’s no ifs and buts and yes you are a hardcore Hamilton fan and I expected nothing less from you, but all I have to ask is who’s the best of this era? Hamilton? He gets embarrased by journeymen drivers when on the same strategy like India or Malaysia and look at Melbourne 2012 or the whole 2011 season, get a grip Vettel will rewrite history in the next 10 years, sure he won’t win half the championships in that period but he doesn’t need to another 4 titles maybe 1 or 2 with Ferrari will cement him as 1 of the top 3 of all time, hopefully Alonso isn’t too scared to stay around and face Seb I hope you enjoy watching Hamilton’s long slide into oblivion in the next couoke of years.

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Hi Tealeaf,

You don’t need this: “..you are a hardcore Hamilton fan and I expected nothing less from you”. This post has nothing to do with Hamilton and there is nothing about Hamilton on my comment.

And your comment, is the reason of my comment. 😉

People just do not accept the fact that many F1 fans don’t feel like SV is a great. And look: I really respect him, and as I stated on my comment, I think he is a great driver. And I’m not suggesting anything, as you did write. I’m just a fan of F1, and watching (I think) what the official F1 broadcasts to every home. In that broadcast, I could perceive many people (from different countries), booing him. And before you say I’m suggesting something, let me take this clear as water: It’s wrong! But my point is: as it is happening, let’s try to understand it, as it is a wrong way of expression, but is an expression…

Do you know how many readers do you need on average to have one comment on any site on the web? it follows a very specific pattern for people’s reaction. To have a movement like the boo’s happening, you need (again), a huge proportion. And we are talking about people that are going to the circuit, in different places, from a very specific sport. I’m sure RBR is not taking this as granted (and I think F1 professionals not either, as we can see on James last posts)…

Just take a look that SV is not pointing the finger as before. And if you think about your response, you did not respected my opinion even I being respectful and not booing.

If you care about my opinion, yes I think Hamilton is the best and most talented driver after Senna. I think is the fastest too, but would like to see a season of him and Vettel on the same car, as I’m sure Vettel is fast as hell too. As I asked sometime ago here on the forum, and James answered that most people think SV and LH would be a great fight.

But I’m sure that all this is just my opinion, and I would like to see LH on the best car not winning the WDC or SV on an average car winning the WDC. If that happens I change my opinion right away. No problems with that…

58

TL, ‘cept he wasn’t on the same strategy. If the team had favoured Lewis and pitted him first for the second stops, then Lewis would’ve undercut Massa and likely finished 2nd, with Rosberg 5th or 6th. Of course, there would have been a big brouhaha if Merc had done that, similar to what happened with RBR in Suzuka after they switched Webber to the 3-stop mid-race.

Both Rosberg and Lewis couldn’t clear Massa on track, and they could only get one car past on the undercut.

Your analysis is “sound bite” simple; nice for those who don’t wish to put much effort or critical thinking into their F1 viewing experience.

59

He needs to be sold because the people who boo him think winning like this comes easy. This year he has won the title in amazing style.

Think about it, he’s only 1 win off his tally in 2011, but it’s been so much more exciting and not all his wins have been straightforward.

60

It’s true that there was no need for a sales job with Senna. It was clear that he was a special driver, seen thru multiple incidents (not just a few) while racing for Lotus.

Or with someone like Prost, his multiple runners-up finishes played just as big a part in his status as a ‘great’. Losing b/c of unreliability in 1983 in a lesser car, by half-a-point to Lauda in 1984, and to Senna in 1988 and 1990. Winning in ’86 when the Williams was a better car.

Those feats are ones where the ‘car factor’ was either neutralized, or was in others’ favour. When that happens, any observer looking for a deciding factor is only left with the drivers as the decisive element, and from there meaningful comparisons are drawn.

61

“best car by a mile”

As demonstrated by what, exactly? Vettel winning in it? The F2004 was the best car by a mile. The MP4/4 was the best car by a mile. The RB9 is no F2004 or MP4/4 though. Not by a mile.

62

So the experts should start to listen to the Britains Got Talent crowd instead of being experts. Now I’ve heard it all.

63

Those boos are not from the entire public like you’re suggesting. It’s ridiculous the consistent flak he gets. It’s simple jealousy. The guy is clearly as good as Alonso and Hamilton, and in some areas likely better. His consistency is incredible.

Fact is the established “great” if Ham, Alo and Rai can still be out qualified and out raced at times by their team mates (Gro, Mas, But, Ros), implying that these “no.2s” are also near greats. Yet Vettel, who’s dominated his team mate since 2011 pretty much gets refused to be labelled as such by some.

I’ve said before, I’m not a Vettel fan but it isn’t hard to give respect to others success and hard work.

64

Can’t agree with you more. There are 2 groups of people in F1; the business (teams, drivers-are in a dual role-, Bernie, JOURNALISTS,etc) and the paying public (you and I). We might all seem to have the same interests on the surface, deep down they are quite divergent. They’d start paying attention when the paying public start voting with their pockets.

I like the Vettel and he’s a fantastic driver. The irony is that my favorable impression of Vettel was formed BEFORE he joined RedBull; that is being eroded daily by these fawning accolades that fail to place his performances in its proper context. But, its quite predictable; its in their interests to do so.

65

Both Hamilton and Alonso received considerably more “fawning accolades” after their WDC’s with rather less justification than Vettel has. And a lot of fans based their high opinions of these drivers on those plaudits from the pundits. So I don’t see any logic in certain fans NOW claiming they refuse to listen to expert opinion.

You want to see over-the-top praise for a driver, look at that showered on Hamilton after the 2008 WDC. And even long after that to be honest, you can still see some pundits claiming he is “the fastest driver on the grid”.

The F1 press has been slighting Vettel for several years now. If they’ve finally started to correct that than it’s long overdue, not something to be complained about.

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To be clear I think Vettel deserves respect admiration and recognition- for a very effective use of superior machinery against a better than average team-mate. What I object to is the over the top comparison to Senna or Fangio etc. Senna proved competitive against the then 2 time champion (Prost) in the same team. Alonso established his reputation winning against the Schumacher/Ferrari behemoth in a near-competitive car. Hamilton p established his reputation against a 2 time Champion in Alonso. Now, Vettel’s win in an inferior car in the wet is by far his most impressive win for me. I’m sure he’s still a super driver, we just dont have the evidence to start making what I consider outlandish comparisons when his benchmark isn’t the calibre of Prost or Alonso.

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Different times Marcelo.

I won’t say that SV is better than ASdS but at that time teams could test and develop the car in the track all season. Tyres were a lot harder and didn’t leave so many marbles on the side of the track, allowing for other drivers to use the whole track and not only the best line.

The tyre supplier used to be fair and find a good all-around tyre before the season started and they would make small adjustments during the season. Teams knew the tyres and knew how to use them because they had thousands and thousands of Kms of winter testing them.

Different times, mate.

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1) Sure, he has the best car. So has Webber, and he is nowhere close. The driver IS important.

2) So did Alonso, Schumacher, Senna, Mansell, Prost, Fangio, Clark, etc

3) Yes, they were PLENTY of articles, documentaries, specials about all great champions. It’s not “selling”, it’s what the sport media it’s suppose to do, report about the very best of each discipline.

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Marcelo, totally agree that ‘you (F1 Professionals) need to stop selling Sebastian Vettel’ as great drivers do not need to be sold. This guy is a good driver but not a great. In fact he is bad for the sport. By the way since I did not watch the race, who won? Actually I knew the answer before the “race” if you can call it that, actually started. And which Red Bull car had problems? Ah, know the answer to that one too.

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You think drivers wouldn’t be booed now for driving others off the road? People are being booed more and more in sport, and people write terrible things to, and about, public figures on things like twitter. They now have the power to directly, and anonymously, target celebs. And beware the pundit or colleague who dares to defend the public figure.

For example, LeBron James (currently the best basketball player in the world) was vilified in 2010 to an unbelievable degree for changing teams, and doing so less than graciously. He won his second championship earlier this year, but is still hated and booed, you should see the things written about him in the comments to articles on ESPN! I remember a Scottish rugby player had to delete his twitter account, because he was flooded with hate for missing a kick! So many sportsmen get death threats, or at least terrible abuse, for simply making mistakes while playing a game, or playing for the ‘wrong’ team, or for changing teams. Many employ bodyguards, if they go out for an evening. You should also see the racist and homophobic things written about athletes on youtube comments.

As for it being boring, two of their four championships have come down to the last race. In fact, four of the last seven championships have come down to the last race, and one was decided at the second to last race. There have been several years in the last quarter of a century, when one of Mclaren, Williams, Ferrari or Red Bull have had a dominant car, and have run away with the championship, the first three get a pass for being ‘legacy’ teams, RBR are punished for being ‘new money’. As I said, it is Ferrari, Mercedes and Mclarens fault that it is boring, because they haven’t designed a good enough car, or when they did, they made too many mistakes.

And lets not ignore the misdemeanours of other champions. Senna, Prost and Schumacher drove opponents off the track to win. Hamilton and Alonso have hardly been angels, accusing the team of sabotage, tweeting telemetry, ‘monkeys at the back’, ill advised Ali G quotes and what they both did at Hungary 2007, as well as the rest of that year.

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Vettel bad for the sport? [mod], blame the other teams for not challenging RBR and Vettel. Experts are praising, or ‘selling’ him because fans are dismissing him, are they supposed to shut up when they believe Vettel is being wrongly meligned? Lets also be clear that the majority of experts and people who work in the paddock have been praising him for several years as an exceptional talent.

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He is bad for the sport. I for one have stopped watching this season. Not only is it so boring watching with one driver winning all the time but also his attitude is intolerable.

And I may not watch next year either. If I was Red Bull, I would be questioning the good that his sponsorship is doing their brand, when half the public like him and the other half can’t stand.

“It’s very difficult for me personally, to receive boos, even though you haven’t done anything wrong,” he said. Well, so he is correct in his behaviour, and every one else is wrong? Why does he not listen to people?

True champions are not booed – I cannot think of another example of a champion either in motor sport or anything else who has received such malicious treatment from the general public. And, yes I am tired of the F1 pundits praising him. I would not pay too much attention to what Hamilton and Alonso have said recently. Look at their body language – that says it all.

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Because there wasn’t nearly the level of mass communication in Senna’s day as there is now. If Senna had rammed Prost/Prost rammed Senna in 2013, it would be endlessly dissected on Twitter and forums and fans opinions would fly. In Senna’s time, the only people writing about Formula One were journalists.

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