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Posted By: James Allen  |  10 Sep 2013   |  8:59 pm GMT  |  401 comments

Felipe Massa confirmed on Tuesday night that Ferrari has made its decision on 2014 and that he is no longer part of their plans.

Massa has been a Ferrari driver for eight seasons and made the third most appearances for the Scuderia after Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello.

“From 2014 I will no longer be driving for Ferrari,” Massa posted on Instagram and Twitter. “I would like to thank the team for all the victories and incredible moments experienced together.”

Another message added that he still feels he has more to offer as an F1 driver, “For next year, I want to find a team that can give me a competitive car to win many more races and challenge for the Championship..”

The announcement from the driver allows him to break the news with dignity; Ferrari has always felt that Massa is “one of the family” and has extended great generosity to him. After his accident in Hungary 2009 it kept a seat open for him for 2010. But the harsh reality is that since then he has not won in 70 races as Alonso’s team mate.

Massa has scored eight podium finishes to Alonso’s 11 wins and made 42 podium appearances – a much lower strike rate to the one he had with Raikkonen as a team mate.

Ferrari has looked likely to make changes after president Luca di Montezemolo’s outburst against Fernando Alonso in late July and his exhortations to the team to put a knife between their teeth to fight for Ferrari’s return to competitiveness.

Against all expectations the indications are that they look set to re-hire Kimi Raikkonen, whom they paid almost €20 million in 2010 not to drive for them.

But Montezemolo clearly wants to show Alonso who is boss and to raise the game of the whole team.

It is a risk; Alonso does not historically take well to highly competitive team mates. Raikkonen is not a politically devisive figure within a team, he is a very straightforward operator. But he will score lots of points and as a world champion he will carry significant weight. It is likely to be a fractious time for the team, but team principal Stefano Domenicali believes he can manage the two great drivers in one garage.

However it also indicates the level of concern Ferrari has about its ongoing relationship with Alonso; if they felt that there was a chance of Alonso leaving the team, the only place to turn was Raikkonen, who finds himself available at this time.

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1

Hopefully Felipe gets a drive at a team that can give him podiums if not regular points finishes. Fresh start will be interesting to see him re-ignite his fire.

Meanwhile Alonso is receiving the "Montezemolo treatment" now. It's a pretty big deal within Ferrari (and in the Italian context) to go publicly head to head with the boss.... che figura!

2

Could be the beginning of another "Senna Versus Prost" or "Alonso versus Hamilton" saga?

Luca had better keep his eye out for flying dummies from 'nando's pram if the Iceman starts beating him 😀

3

The "Montezemolo treatment" was first given to RAI and he ended up paying to make way for ALO. And now ALO is getting the "Montezemolo treatment". Swings and round-abouts hey.

I fear that behind closed doors, the Ferrari team are in trouble with egos, political games, respect, and leadership.

If RAI gets the Ferrari drive I really hope that this does not turn bad for him cos he's not like that at all. But then again, it may be time for him to shine as everyone around him including ALO is caught up in the turmoil whereas his nature as a no-nonsense pure racer can allow him to simply turn up and perform.

4

@JMV - I liked the phrase “Montezemolo treatment”. I'm going to shamelessly use it from now on :).

@James Hunt - BTW Kimi was not the first recipient of the “Montezemolo treatment”, the trio of Schumacher-Brawn-Todt, who had become "Bigger than the team" were the first recipients of that. The way they were gently shown the door from 2006 onwards was merely culmination of storm that was brewing with Ferrari for years of Ferrari domination. The trio was more smarter than Amateur Fernando in their dealings. On track successes meant Tifosi were lapping from hands of the trio and the trio had before too strong force in the team undermining Montezemolo and his loyals.

5

Totally agree. As long as Luca Di is there, this will be in Ferrari's DNA.

PS I can't take credit for the term “Montezemolo treatment”, I was quoting the original commentor that I replied to 🙂

6

"I fear that behind closed doors, the Ferrari team are in trouble with egos, political games, respect, and leadership."

Ferrari have always been that way. Except for the Michael Schumacher era, Ferrari have almost always achieved well below their capabilities.

7

At the moment we don't know who is Ferraris second driver. Probably Kimi driving in Ferrari, but who is the other? Alonso? Mmmm... We can't forget that Bernie Ecclestone deaming that Alonso goes with his millions to Lotus.

8

It shows that ferrari has more courgae than red bull...have to say, I am surprised...lets see how they will manage the best driver pairing in f1

9

Some might say it's pretty courageous for Red Bull to take an less-proven junior driver rather than an ex-world champ who would probably score loads of points and wins.

10

There's an extremely fine line between courage & stupidity.

I've always been one for a champion team rather than a team of champions - time will tell who got it right.

11

Hope you'll saying that when RBR is outside the top five and hopes it had a better pair of drivers (next season).

12

+1

My comment on Joe Sawards Blog:

-------

“Here here” Joe!

Felipe is the model I’d show my kids when discussing sportsmanship and being magnanimous. Brazil 2008 showed a man. Others would have just crumbled or jumped up and down in anger, tried political manoeuvres ( Alonso), locked themselves away in a room (Senna).

I hope Massa gives his last 7 Ferrari GP’s a f$&king real red hot go and shoves that no2. BS up Alfonzo’s area where the sun don’t shine. I want to see the original fire in his eyes again and a good seat for next season. Maybe Lotus?!

This is it boy, for 7 GP’s you have the right to act like a ruthless champion and show us again what might have been.

------

13

Game, set, match Scuderia McLaren.

14

😀

15

get a grip mate! If you think that Massa hasn't shone because of intrapolitics you seriously have not a clue of F1 and I fail to understand your insistance in making comments that only make a mockery of yourself. Massa has underperformed consistently for the last 4 seasons, get over it!

16

Take a 4 lb spring at 90 mph to your head and let us know what kind of effect it has. I don't think he will ever be 100% again, but he is a racer and more of a man than most on the grid.

17

Massa and Hulkenberg would be a strong line up for Lotus, even if there would be a lack of continuity. Hopefully they'd be able to push each other.

18

While I am sorry for Massa, I am excited about Kimi rejoining the team. I admire Ferrari for the courage in taking the decision in switching drivers and pairing Kimi with Alonso. I can't wait for 2014 to start.

I wish both drivers involved the best of luck.

19

Alonso getting 'the Montezemolo treatment' is accurate. Poor Fernando has exhibited dis-loyalty which, at Ferrari, is a sin.

Not all that long ago another driver displayed a lack of commitment to the team. His name was Kimi Raikonnen.

Interesting times ahead in Maranello.

20

.....but Alonso has n't threatened to black mail Luca di Montezemolo has he?

21

Soon, he will. Soon.

Its Halloween at Ferrari.

22

Not yet!

23

Two drivers with potential lack of commitment? "Great" choice!

Why not get a driver like Sutil, who has proven steady, fast and loyal? Or Hulkenberg, who is not that bad after all.

24

Yeah, put Sutil in the team. A man who is more interested in pursuing his vendetta against Lewis than racing for his own team 🙂

25

Obviously you have not seen the video where kimi is summoned by the great montezomolo but kimi ignores him and makes him wait (while hes doing an inter view)...

if Montezomolo wanted a driver to "respect" him kimi would be the worst choice!

Don't see you logic there, sorry...

26

And I believe that Kimi swears at him as well...

27

I'm just worried about Andrew Benson. I hope he doesn't do anything stupid.

28

Can we have a Comment Of The Day (COTD) please 😉

PS this one wins it, that guy is useless!

29

I remember his storey from 11 months ago announcing Vettel would be a Ferrari driver in 2014.

30

I can do lots for him. My brother is a well known psychiatrist. We are willing to offer consultation for free!

31

+

Thanks for making my day 🙂

32

Well, he's already posted on Auntie's sporting page that it's happening.

33

Who's that?

34

This is the guy who talks about race craft and wont mention Kimi and he is in BBC. May be he mis-understood what BBC means.

"What is less clear for now - and Red Bull admit this themselves - is whether he has the race-craft and mental fortitude to survive at the highest level, where the likes of Alonso, Vettel and Lewis Hamilton may usually be scrupulously fair, but are also brutally unforgiving."

35

+1

You make my day! I laugh from the heart.

36

This made me laugh. I am new to f1, but that guy loves Lewis Hamilton.

37

Apart form his writting? Hope not...

38

Funniest post I have read in a long time. You had me rolling!

39

LOL. He is already in delusion thinking that Ferrari is hiring Raikkonen to support Alonso more consistently than Massa did. How can such a person be a chief editor that too for a site like BBC?! It shows what kind of staff BBC has.

40

Yeah I saw that, something like "Ferrari believe that Raikkonen will provide better support to Alonso". Typical Benson.

I can't find that article on the BBC website this morning, it seems to have been replaced with the new "Ferrari confirm..." article which doesn't contain anything about Kimi "supporting" Fernando. Maybe Benson was getting too much stick for it.

41

Though Im really excited for seeing Kimi and Alonso fight eachother in the same team, I really do feel sorry for Massa....I really wished he had won championship in 2008, really felt sorry for him back then...and after his accident he just hasnt been the same driver anymore, and in all honesty had to go from Ferrari, but it's still truly a shame how the aciddent affected him (even if he himself doesnt admit it) =(

I hope he still gets seat in another team. All the best wishes for your future Massa!

42

I agree Alex. I remember reading an interview with Martin Brundle where he said that after he was flipped in his car and had a massive head injury, that he never fully recovered (stated it still affects his speech). I think that's where FM is at. Again MB said he would never had admitted that publicly as a driver. Very sad for such a gentleman if the sport to have had that happen. I'm glad LH won the title but I honestly felt it was just a matter of time before FM joined him. Sad!

43

i think massa's had enough now. 13 years of putting his life at risk, nearly winning the championship and being paid millions to do it. how much more money does he need? winning races or a championship will not upgrade his status i think his time's up.

44

I agree with you Alex. I actually bought a Felipe Massa T-shirt and proudly won it at Silverstone in 2007. He has never been the same since the accident, but before that he was actually one of the top drivers of that time. But his current form has been disappointing, he is the only one of the top teams to be thoroughly overshadowed by his team-mate. When you drive for a top team you have to make it count. A middle of the grid team would benefit from his services I am sure (Sauber, Force India, Williams). He still has a lot to offer me thinks.

45

In an interview just a couple of weeks he was asked what were hardest for him, the las minute 2008 championship lost or the accident, he answered that was harder the 2008 lost because he didn't suffered the accident, when he woke up he was fine. I think it was the combination of those two events but at least in that interview he recongnized that they affected him somehow.

46

Very sad to hear this as I like Felipe. But it is understandable from Ferrari's point of view. Maybe Lotus will consider him as I think he may do better without an Alonso as a team mate.

47

"Massa has been a Ferrari driver for eight seasons and made the third most appearances for the Scuderia after Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello."

Felipe has, with 130+ races after Monza, long passed Rubens Barrichello's 104 races for the Scuderia.

48

I would agree on that

49

James, so this confirms Kimi at Ferrari?

50

Not necessarily. Hulkenberg is still an option for them. But it does dramatically increase Kimi's chances though.

51

What chance Massa at Lotus? Although if they have any sense, they'll be chasing The Hulk surely?

52

The speculation ie that Ferrari may give Sauber free engines to give Massa a drive.

53

The Hulk is apparently top of a 'Plan B' list for Lotus?

54

I've always like Massa, even though he could be at times, wildly inconsistent.

Unfortunately for him, the constructor's championship means more to the team than the individual driver's championship and Alonso has been pretty much flying solo in both the last few years.

Good luck to Felipe and here's hoping that he gets a ride for next season.

55

James

why this is repetitive ?

"Alonso does not historically take well to highly competitive team mates"

We have only seen 2007 as a scenario like that, yet 2007 was too much too read and tough to arrive at conclusions

Why do you think Alonso cannot handle a team mate ? I feel Alonso is quick enough to race with any driver in the grid. Even Lewis confessed the fact he likes racing with alonso despite all the spat they had in 2007

Do kimi and Alonso have issues ? i do not see any here

Your thoughts please....

56

There is no history between Kimi & Alonso, no. But Massa has rarely been in front in a race and has even given up places to Alonso when required by the team. How will Alonso react if Kimi is ahead in a race, tyres are starting to go off and Ferrari decide to bring in the lead car first? That's not a situation Alonso has had to face in the past few years.

57

+1

2007 was one year....(his fight against the blue eyed Mclaren wonder) and he lives with that tag for the whole career.

58

Interesting argument... so it's really OK because he only tried blackmailing his boss ONCE, threatening to air the team's laundry in public unless they give him No1 status...

That's all right then!

59

El Nando is used to top dog billing in any team he drives for. Am quite sure he's not scared of going head to head with any driver in equal machinery, but just cant digest the team devoting any attention to his team mate or developing a car that isn't just suited to his needs / bias. A classic narcissist who can't share the limelight.

60

James always stick to his idea on this topic.

61

He got beat by Trulli in 2004 (before Briatore fired him for making his client look bad) and couldn't beat his rookie teammate in 2007.

62

Yes people have short memories. Points on level means nothing. If Hamilton didn't have those issues he would be not only more on points, he would be champion.

Alonso is just way too hyped. Wonder how all this even started. But fans with good perspective will know he was thoroughly out classed in 2007.

63

It's unfair to compare Fernando vs Lewis in 2007. The team hung Alonso out to dry half way through the season, so if anything that was an Alonso win really given his lack of support, but then Lewis was only a Rookie so....

2004 was different though, Trulli beat FA fair and square.

I don't think Alonso would go well against a strong team mate though, just as Lewis didn't at McLaren with Button, and although Vettel has driven well in recent years his off track relationship with Webber is poor. The common theme their is a team mate who is actually half decent. History (bar VET) suggests having one of those makes it harder to win titles than having a rear gunner.

64

Perfect assessment of 2004 and 2007. I've always sympathized with Jarno Trulli, and now Massa joins that list.

65

Lol.... Did you miss last season between Hamilton and Button it was a trouncing the points don't reflect their performances.

66

He didn't have a strong teammate at Renault either

67

Err Trulli.

He was removed just because favored son got his stuff in a twist.

68

Evidenced by his insistence on number 1 treatment in virtually every season he has raced. He is a great driver. He seems incredibly insecure.

69

Why the insecurity? It's because he knows he is simply not that good as the hype makes it out to be. You can always shine against a subdued teammate and then lay it it on thick that your car is 'slow'.

We will see just how slow the car really was, chances are Alonso is upto it when it comes to getting the max out of the car. He claims he does but we never saw a real fight from a strong teammate who was not tied down as a clear guinea pig number two. Don't be surprised if Kimi starts Macca 2007 all over again and Alonso goes awol.

70

Alonso had problems with Fisichella in Renault in 2006 as he felt Fisichella was not helping him enough (just google for "Alonso Fisichella"). He has a fragile mentality and it breaks up when his team-mate becomes competitive. We will surely have more fun from Alonso in 2014 if Kimi joins Ferrari.

71

You should ask Jarno Trulli, not James...

72

I've been unable to contribute to the forum for a while but still read. Honestly how now one as mentioned Trulli these past few threads ref Alonso amazed me.

73

My take on that... As a driver, Alonso is more than good enough to handle +any+ teammate. The problem is a psychological one; he cannot handle a situation where the team does not favor him. The question is, how badly damaged is the relationship between Fernando and the team after this summer? If the damage is serious, will that translate into more support for Kimi within the team next year?

74

During Alonso's Renault years, he didn't take it well when Trulli was faster than him in the first half of 2004, and that ultimately lead to Briatore kicking Trulli out of Renault before the season ended.

75

Massa should have left the team long ago before they showed him the door. By playing second fiddle to Alonso, he stepped on the self-destruction button and has devalued himself massively. Ferrari simply used him as a test driver for Alonso. I don't think Enzo would have done that.

It will be good if he can be in F1 next year but will I miss him if he is not there? I am not so sure.

Ferrari got rid of Schumacher and Kimi without any mercy. Getting rid of Alonso will be tricky because of Santander money. But his time will come ... soon. And that day Ferrari will return to their glory days.

Ciao Filipe baby!

76

Santander money is puny compared to what Phillip Morris and shell gives. They and Alonso are replaceable.

77

@Maria - no more Vrooooooom from comings season, So I'm not sure the Phillip Morris Well is still pumping money to Maranello.

78

Rob,

To Enzo Ferrari drivers were a means to an end; the glory of Enzo Ferrari and the Scuderia.

He would have done this and after a lot less time than eight years.

79

In retrospect that win they took from him was cruel. Karma and F1 Gods have been treating Ferrari the way they treat Massa, who has been a stand up team player.

I almost feel like it's harsh to point to 70 starts without wins. He's notreally allowed to win.

80
Valentino from montreal

Ferrari should of had fired Alonso NOT MASSA ...

Raikkonen will be the 2014 F1 world champion next year with Ferrari ... Rory Byrne's Ferrari fighter of next year will go to waste if it's only Alonso who's driving it but now with Raikkonen on board , Ferrari in my eyes are the favourites ..... Vettel VS Kimi in 2014 ...

81

Thats all nice but we need to see if Ferrari are even worth the risk for Kimi. Alonso is not an issue he will crumble from a 2007 repeat. He hasn't learned anything if we see what has happened of late.

82

You're dreaming mate..

83

FA may not get the DC crown, but Ferrari can get the Constructors Crown with the KR+FA combo

84

Right on the nail.

85

For once I agree wholeheartedly.

86

I can't say I disagree. But that Santander wallet is mighty fat.

If it is Kimi, coming back with a Ferrari WDC, I will laugh and laugh and laugh.

87

Get real Val, whatever your thoughts on Alonso etc, Massa wasn't fit to be in the red car when Michael was there, never mind 8 seasons later.

Everyone speaks of his bad luck in 08 regards engine failure at Hungary or the fuel rig in Singapore, but they all conveniently forget his spinning out in Malaysia, or his 5 spins during the British GP that year.

On his day, he was brilliant, but on their days so were DC, Rubens and Webber.

They're all good number 2's, but if they were as good as the greats they would be on their tail at the finish.

My favourite Schumacher victory was Belgium 2002. He took off and left Rubens behind at a second a lap, who was leaving the rest behind at the same rate.

This was the one race where Schumacher truly showed his difference instead of the playing around Ferrari usually ran.

A brilliant drive for the sake of it, and proving once and for all why Rubens was no. 2.

Massa was there because of nepotism, Todt's son manages him. Why the hell he remained there after Todt left, god only knows..

88

but they all conveniently forget his spinning out in Malaysia, or his 5 spins during the British GP that year.

>> And all conveniently forget that Kimi had 5 spins in the same race in Silverstone in the same sector ( correction Massa had 6 spins btw).

Ferrari was banking on dry Sunday and both cars were setup for that and that day the rain never gave up. Worst part of that year was handling of Ferrari on Bridgestones was always poor in wet weather and low track temperatures. On the other hand McLaren was better tuned with the Bridgestones through out the season.

Before the last three races Luca had got the entire team to meet to resolve the tyre and handling issues.

And talking of conveniently forgetting

People forget 2008 Brazilian GP which Massa won under tricky weather conditions and Lewis only won because Timo Glock couldn't handle the tricky track conditions

next year in China Massa stormed through the field in worst condition ( while Kimi Spun), Massa was running as high as fourth but had to retire due to electrical failures.

While I understand your passion for F1 and likes and dislikes about particular driver or a team, researching facts would prove more productive to the discussion. Best Wishes.

89
Valentino from montreal

Massa had the measure of Villeneuve when they were teammates and was faster than Raikkonen on " his " days .... Massa was treated great when he was with Michael ..Massa was'nt Raikkonen's lap dog either ...

But when Mr.Alonso came along , that's when everything changed at Ferrari ... I don't blame Massa's dip in form ...

He has'nt suddenly forgotten how to drive fast ...I put all the blame on Alonso ...

The buttom line in all of this is this : Ferrari have woken up after 3.5 years ... No longer can they rely on Alonso for 1) Leadership and 2) Results ....Them hiring Raikkonen is a statement to Alonso and it goes like this : " your not good enough to be our team's number 1 , we need somebody faster and better than you, that's why we had to sign Raikkonen , because frankly , you cannot get the job done"

....

90

And their results over the last four years say the complete opposite.

91

I'll wait until Kimi is officially confirmed to gloat over the fact that I predicted on this very forum that this would happen before the rumors really gained steam. But gloat, I will.

James,

Two things:

1) What role do you think James Allison coming to Ferrari played in Kimi returning? I always thought that this was the smoke indicating a fire in this direction. Not just because Kimi obviously knows how good this guy's cars are. But it's quite obvious how highly Allison rates Kimi as a driver- what with his all but calling him a driving god after Australia, with his "only breaking traction twice while having mind-blowing pace" comment on Kimi's performance this year. Do you think Allison maybe opened his mouth about Kimi when he got to Maranello?

2) Don't you think it's interesting that, despite having multiple opportunities to return to McLaren since 2009, the superteam he ultimately opted to go back to was the one that dumped him so unceremoniously? I think this really speaks volumes about the impression that McLaren leaves with those who leave.

93

May be he knew he would have to do far funny things than this at McLaren..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7vySvn38kE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euZGJTLp4Hk

Cant even imagine how kimi will look doing this 🙂

94

Regarding point 2... McLaren has painted itself into a corner with stepchild status from Mercedes in 2014 & Honda love delayed till 2015. Last year, it seemed possible that McLaren's aero guys could beat the works Mercedes team in 2014, but the lackluster recovery through the year in 2013 suggests that McLaren will struggle in 2014. Only 3 works teams on the grid: RBR-Renault, Ferrari and Mercedes, and Kimi chose wisely ... still to be confirmed though 🙂

95

Well...from what I have read, Kimi will be on a 1-year Ferrari deal, so there is still a chance he could end up with McLaren when Honda comes on board. 🙂

96

I think part of Mclarens problem with Kimi is the amount of media work you have to do. Not that I imagine Ferrari being much better

97

"I’ll wait until Kimi is officially confirmed to gloat over the fact that I predicted on this very forum that this would happen before the rumors really gained steam"

Acknowledged and well done, but less gloating would be nice 🙂

98

On point one, there are plenty of people at Ferrari who have a good idea of what Kimi's abilities are. James Allison going to Ferrari might impress Kimi, but Allison is unlikely to be the decisive factor as he reports to Pat Fry, who was at McLaren with Raikkonen.

Allison's experience with the FRIC suspension that Mercedes and Lotus are regarded as being really good at is probably part of his attraction to Ferrari.

99

Kimi is a man of few words. But he has revealed he will be driving in red on an at a Finnish uparty.

http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/f1-rumour-says-kimi-raikkonen-admitted-ferrari-move-at-finnish-party?artid=159061

100

Kimis manager said they started tentative talks with McLaren last year. Kimi wasn't that disinclined to a McLaren seat when they were regularly winning races. Like any driver in the latter years of their career Kimi just wants to get well paid to support his years doing whatever the hell he wants and a few more chances to add championships to his belt.

Kimi is pragmatic I think, not passionate. He would be looking at Mclaren if they'd built a successor to the 2012 car. He didn't like it at Ferrari. McLarens engineers have always had a soft spot for Kimi (since they have so many dedicated simulator drivers I suspect his reluctance to do that doesn't irk them quite as much).

Kimi would only return to Ferrari as he thinks its his last best chance to get another WDC to his name. Plus he gets paid on time. Also Ferrari already have his favorite ice cream in their freezer so no panic needed there...

101

But Kimi also talked to McLaren in 2009 after he was let go by Ferrari. And he ended up breaking up negotiations. Hence, McLaren signed Jenson.

102

Very likely Ferrari is allowing Kimi to do rallying and with minimal PR obligations. McLaren would not do that in my opinion. So Kimi's choice will be very easy to make.

103

After what happened to Kubica I very much doubt Ferrari (or any other F1 team for that matter) will allow its drivers to go within 50 yards of a rally car until retirement.

104

You may gloat but I was saying in July that Kimi had been signed by Ferrari, hence Alonso trying to get into RBR.

Again on the 14th August I read confirmation of his signature for Ferrari. It was strange on the 25th anniversary of Enzo's death..

Regarding Mclaren, when Kimi was at Ferrari he spoke of the freedom he had as opposed to the Mclaren regime, hence why DC developed a beard when he went to RBR and why Lewis left them last year

105

I already predicted it, when Kimi said he could make a decision that most people would find stupid....

106

So Ferrari will have 2 of the best 5 drivers in f1 currently driving for them next year. Either kimi or nico will do fine but everyone expects kimi so that's fine by me. They just need a competitive car next year and those guys will do the rest. It's not as if Ferrari can't make a great engine either.........

107

Nico may be quick in qualifying trim but alongsie Alosno, will be demoted to #2 status rather quickly....

With Kimi this won't happen...If they sign Kimi rest assured it is to Keep Alonso in check and disallow him from running the team his way.

I think there's power struggle going on between Luca & Alonso, and if Alonso continues on this path (of throwing tantrums etc) his days are numbered.

108

who is the fifth driver you include in the top eschelon?

109

If the engine is equal to the others, with Rory Byrne having been there working for a 100 days so far, I could see this being a rerun of 1988..

110

I am pumped... I have no idea what to expect, but I must say if you are going to switch teams as in Kimi's case this is a perfect year. Next year the cars will be completely different so both drivers on each team will have to get on top of things vs a stable year in the rules such as the last few.

I have heard a few say they think Kimi's clean style of racing will suit turbo much better than drivers like Alonso who throw the car around a lot.

Either way I cannot wait for next year.

111

Hmm Alonso's real gift is adaptation. He's not the fastest driver overall but as several engineers have said Alonso doesn't HAVE a signature style - he adapts every 10 laps and totally alters his driving to suit the car and track.

Kimi has lost some of his youthful speed but he's definitely a smarter racer these days. It's just a shame that neither Kimi or Fermando are really one lap quali specialists anymore (they have surrendered those to the Hamilton/Vettel duo). Still Ferrari will have two of the smartest racers who don't tend to ever give up. Anything they lack on Saturdays they tend to compensate for with more impressive Sundays.

112

BBC's Gary Anderson once said that Fernando is so good at driving not so perfect cars to the limit is because if the car under steers or over steers he can compensate by changing his driving style. The best part about that quality is that he can make that change in 2-3 laps. Which Gary says is mind boggling.

I think Fernando will do just fine driving the v6 turbo's.

113

James - Who would be Raikkonen's race engineer at Ferrari? I can't for one see Rob Smedley working with him.

114

Come on Kimi baby 🙂

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Yeah this is what I've been thinking and wondering about as well...

In 2008 (I think) there was an interview with the Ch10 network in Aust where Rob Smedley and Chris Dyer were being interviewed and when asked about the raw speed of the current drivers, Chris answered saying that Kimi is one of if not the fastest driver he's ever seen, and Rob answered in a really cagey and unconvincing manner that he thought Felipe was very capable and definitely up there with the best..

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Kimi baby. Relax. I've put some vodka in your water bottle

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My guess is he brings Mark Slade with him.

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I'd be surprised if Rob Smedley stuck around, so yes there is a chance of that, if Slade fancies living in Italy

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Why would you be surprised, James? Do you think Smedley is part of the Massa failure?

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Wont't is be a treat to listen to some Smedley- Raikkonnen conversations during tense races.. :)..

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I bet they bring in Mark Slade who was with him at Macca and now at Lotus.

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Rob Smedley was MSC's engineer for a long time. RAI will have a lot of respect for him. And I'm sure Smedley is clever enough to adapt his communication style to fit in with the character of his driver.

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MS race engineer was with Kimi and his name is Chris Dyer who was promoted as chief track engineer in 2009 and "Andrea Stella" replaced him. Pat Fry replaced him in ferrari because of the 2010 Abu Dhabi episode.

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During 2002 and 2003 he went on to be a track engineer for Jordan, before moving to the Wikipedia to the rescue:

Ferrari test team at the end of the 2003 season. Smedley initially chose to work on the Ferrari test team because of the possibility to make more technical input, something which is more limited in the race team.

In the middle of the 2006 season, he replaced Gabriele Delli Colli as Felipe Massa's race engineer. Almost immediately Massa’s form improved; his previously common errors became less frequent

You'll find that Chris Dyer engineered Schumacher and then Raikkonen.

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You mean Chris Dyer

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Didn't Giorgio Ascanelli fit in there somewhere, or was that late 90's?

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I thought it was Chris Dyer myself

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As far as I know Andrea Stella was Schumacher´s engineer

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Don't think so, wasn't it Luca Baldisserri and then Chris Dyer?

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Ha!! That is exactly what I was wondering! I can't imagine Rob's "coaching" being much appreciated by Kimi!

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Fernando's race engineer, Andrea Stella was Kimi's race engineer in his earlier stint with Ferrari.

It would be funny if Andrea shows an interest to work with Kimi again.

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Very good point! I think we may see Smedley moving to wherever Massa goes (if he stays in F1), and they'll find somebody new.

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I'm happy for Felipe, think he could still do a lot with equal status. He could do a lot for a smaller team. Would like to see him replace Kimi at Lotus and hopefully they'll still have a car to challenge for wins with the new regs.

As for kimi to Ferrari I'm really excited. I think it's a bad idea for the team and Alonso, but I would hope there will be a Ham-Alo 2007 like rivalry

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You said in the chequered flag Raikkonen won't want to put the hours in on simulator next year developing the car, which will be required due to the regulation changes. Unless Alonso soundly beats Raikkonen, I can only see an Alonso/Raikkonen being a disaster. From his twitter feed Alonso seems to be a proper grafter, and Alonso will not be happy if Raikkonen just turns up and races and gets the glory as a result of Alonso's hard work.

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May the fastest man win. Ferrari have a handful of competent test drivers to do simulator work. Why should Kimi do it if he honestly thinks it detracts from the real thing?

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They know that Kimi won't do the simulator work but they have plenty of test drivers to get the development done. I can't quite see Alonso pouting over Kimi not doing simulator time.

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From what I've heard kimi doesn't like simulators as it makes him get motion sickness.

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You giving simulator way to much credit there.

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I think this change will be good for Massa so long as he gets another seat but I can't see where that will be. Maybe at Sauber if Gutierrez's sponsorship has dried up or maybe Williams. However a Massa-Hulkenberg partnership at Lotus would be a good pairing.

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Felipe will attract considerable ($10M+) Brazilian sponsorship wherever he elects to go. Sauber or Williams should welcome him with open arms.

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u honestly truely feel sorry for Massa!

He is a great person and a great sportsman

But sooner or later something had to give.

Changes need to be made if they want 2 win titles again.

Getting rid of Massa alone is not going help.

Many many many more changes are needed for Ferrari getting back to anything like the form they had in the Schumacher/Brawn/Byrne/Todt error.

The current group of ppl @ Ferrari are not even a shadow of the ppl they replaced.

It would be in Ferrari's best interest to get more 1 former employee back "Ross Brawn"

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I don't feel sorry for him, as there is no need to, he has had a great career at Ferrari and should be proud of what he achieved. His achievements should be acknowledged not felt sorry for.

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May interest you to know, Allison worked for Ferrari between 2000-2004 and Renault during 2005-2006. I think that is significant.

Rory Byrne has been working hard this year for 100+ days on the 2014 car.

With Alonso and Raikkonen, they have 2 of the top 4 drivers there.

What's not to love?

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I know Alison was @ Ferrari before!

Hense I said "1 more"

Byrne is only a consultant and consultants do exactly that they "Consult" His not chief designer or technical director so his input is limited.

They dont just need new ppl from a technical point of view

Demonicalli has had 5 and half yrs @ Ferrari he took over a team @ the start of 2008 that were drivers and Contructors champions and reduced them to the shambles they are today.

he needs to be replaced as badly as Massa needed to.

And who better to replace him then Ross Brawn.

If only Ferrari can put their pride aside.

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Finally, some sensible good news. Ferrari should made this decision a long time ago.

An advise for Massa. Don't do what Barachello did. Desperate for a drive, but simply can't keep up with the new generations.

Good luck with your future!

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Looks like this discussion worked itself out. (Smile).

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Don’t do what Barachello did. Desperate for a drive, but simply can’t keep up with the new generations....

In fairness, Barachello could not keep up with his own generation on a regular basis 😉

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Yes, because in F1 it is very easy to be two time vice-WDC, SIX TIMES part of a WCC (record alongside Schumacher), multiple race winner, multiple pole-sitter, and also, at "40", he delivered two wins, one pole and a 3rd place in the standings in 2009 against Vettel, Hamilton, Raikkonen, Button and Alonso driving in the same field. That is surely not keeping up with his or anybody else's generation...

What a load of rubbish.

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I think just maybe, perhaps, it's possible you might be a teensy bit biased in your assessment of Rubinho.

I could make all sorts of counter claims about dominant cars and most F1 starts before a win etc. But I won't.

My comment was just meant as a bit of a throwaway line and I apologise if it offended you.

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Barachello out score both Hulk & Maldonado when he was in William. Barachello did incredible well after he left Ferrari, he nearly challenge Button for WDC on 2009.

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I don't think so. Barrichelo was almost 40 and wanted to continue ad infinitum. He had nothing more to offer. Felipe surely still has something to offer to F1. He will surely fit well at a middle of the grid team. We need experience in F1. Some of the current new drivers are very mediocre.

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Mind you, Barrichello in his last seasons, still beat the proclaimed prodigies Maldonado and Hulkenberg and hadn't it been for a pile of bad luck, he was keeping up quite well with Button.

Barrichello had a lot to offer, despite his age!

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Barrichello gave Button a run for his money in the second-half of 2009 for the WDC and out-paced NH when they were team-mates (admittedly Hulk was a rookie in the no testing era).

Barrichello's post-Ferrari career proved he was better than he looked as Schumi's no 2.

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Few drivers were as devoted to the team as Felipe. I feel a slight pang of sorrow to see him go, but I think he has known about this for some time. He and Smedley will long be remembered as a remarkable double act.

I hope he finds a decent drive.

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Best of luck Felipe, you are one of F1's very few gentlemen and thanks for many great Ferrari memories.

I really hope you find a drive worthy of your talent and integrity.

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Only Truth, No lies 😉

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It's a shame for Massa but ultimately the right decision for Ferrari, Although i do blame them for this situation.

Massa hasn't been the same since the accident in 2009 and when he finally started to regain his confidence and true pace in Germany 2010, Ferrari destroyed him by moving him out of the way of Alonso.

I'll be very surprised if he gets a drive in 2014, Surely Hulkenberg or Di Resta will go to Lotus, There doesn't look to be an opening at Sauber for next year and i couldn't see Force India taking him.

I hope he has a good end to the season, Would love to see him get one last podium.

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How pathetic. Go back to Germany 2010.

Look at the difference in points between the Ferrari teams drivers and tell me that it wasn't a decision to chase the championship?

Ultimately in nearly 4 years together, Massa has 8 podiums as against Alonso's 42 and 11 wins!

If one team decision had that psychological effect on his driving, he wouldn't be in F1!

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I am sure that is a fake Domenicali ... just like the fake Justin Bieber.

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Stefano wrote in the commments: "I only took a picture of the helmet I had at home"

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Haha...I guess Stefano is a bit ansy!

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Well, if we're going to be forced to watch Vettel drive off with the WDC year after year, at least Ferrari are willing to provide us with some intrigue.

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Of course, he had to go. If Raikonnen bags the seat then we will see some awesome racing next year from the new team mates. This is sad news and great news for racing fans!

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Sad in a way, but a predictable and much needed change at Ferrari.

Contrast the dignity in the way Ferrari and Massa handled his departure with Red Bull and the way they treated and commented on their ex-drivers in the media.

Goes to show you that sometimes when they say "family" they really mean it. A very rare thing in F1 indeed...

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Unfortunately they did not handle the departure of Kimi quite as well... Or Schumi for that matter.

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"Alonso does not historically take well to highly competitive team mates."

"Fact is solidified opinion" as the Murphy's Law say.

That "fact" is based on a single unit of data: the 2007 championship and even to take that into consideration one must dimsiss both Lewis and Alonso's observations that the rift was not between them but between Alonso and Dennis.

The other drivers he had were competent, just not at his level. Trulli is the other one mentioned as being kicked out of Renault because Alonso didn't like him being competitive. Of curse there's the close friendship between them to disprove the accusation. Trulli, Fisichella, Villeneuve, Massa, Grosjean...they were not exactly dummies before or after partnering Alonso. Only Nelsinho seemed worthless (and Marques and Yoong).

On the other hand, how many competitive team mates did the other ones have? And how did they took it?

Webber for Vettel is as competitive as Trulli was with Alonso, and the few moments Webber got the upper hand Seb didn't exactly looked delighted. Ditto for Lewis, with only Button giving him a run for his money, making him quite nervous, not to mention that he was not exactly the walking image of "joie de vivre" when partnered with Alonso.

Kimi? When beaten by Massa he became the Sulkman, more like the Iceman.

So I think the comment is pretty unfair.

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You know, that's got to be one of the best reasoned comments I've read so far on the subject. I support Alonso, although he often doesn't win my heart when he opens his mouth... but i just don't understand when people put him down constantly for stuff other drivers do as well: Vettel and Webber have been at it and have had very tense moments, and definitely Vettel didn't look happy at all. Same for all the other cases you've mentioned, yet English media/fans make it a point to always mention that when assesing Alonso's character. Furthermore, why do people have a need to focus on characters? What do I care what Alonso's character is like? He's one hell of a driver, why should I concern with him considering God's little gift to the world?

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@ Ungulado

+100000000000

Brilliant

Really excellent post which holds truth and no notions or stories about alonso

I never buy into james theory "Alonso does not historically take well to highly competitive team mates"

Alonso has been fantastic performer ever since he joined the grid in 2001

How many WDC did trulli or Fisichella won at renault ? None

Alonso never minds or interested in team mate battle his only aim or target is WDC. With mclaren in 2007 it was differnet story where alonso has been promised by dennis and later the promise was never materialized. China 2007 reflected this. Afterall Trulli and Fisichella have confessed the fact Alonso is a fantastic driver.

Massa totally wiped the floor with Kimi, yet here too many kimi fans are convinced he can be faster than alonso which is hialrious at best

Most recently lewis confessed this fact as well, he likes racing with alonso and he is aware of alonso's speed and skill

Vettel gets lauded when he beats webber and wins the WDC year after year. His real competiton was only webber for the past five years for WDC title.

No team did best job than RBR for the last 4 seasons. Yet webber easily got the better of vettel many times when he did vettel sulked to the core. Where were people back then ? MUTLI 21

Alonso is the best driver i have ever watched in F1 in the last 15 years or so

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" Yet webber easily got the better of vettel many times when he did vettel sulked to the core."

What "many times"? Webber never beat Vettel over a season, and hasn't come close since 2010... when Vettel lost at least three wins with mechanical failures.

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I am copying your post to paste it whenever this "fact" comes again from any other poster in any other conversation. I could not have said it better. Thanks for the summary!

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@Ungulado

Beautifully put.

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Neither Kimi nor Seb left the team or had the other driver run off after being run close or beaten.

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I agree with you one hundred percent 100%. best comment

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+1

Unfortunately, the sad truth is that the first impression is the only impression. Hence why we keep hearing the same "opinions" again and again.

Name a single top driver on the F1 grid today that doesn't like to prove he's better than his teammate. There's none.

For that matter, next year might even see the ever smiling Ricciardo doing less smiling when he tries on Webber's shoes.

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Not just Massa but Rob Smedley too! Maybe Sauber if they have the money.

Who knows, next year all balls are in the air, there will be a number of new problems in addition to the normal ones, so Sauber could be fastest.

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I'm glad Felipe has had the chance to make the announcement before all the hype of Kimi's return. Ferrari have stood by him and some would argue he was lucky to still be with the team after last years performances.

He's lucky to be with us after the accident in Hungary and personally I think he should walk away and enjoy his final races with the team, just like Webber.

I wouldn't be surprised if he did a swop and went to Lotus as some form of exchange...

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I really hope he gets a drive elsewhere for next year.

Any insight on how likely that is and which team would be most likely?

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Becoming a team boss of the soon-to-be ex-Euskatel team is full time job. Grand tours take three weeks and no way can Fernando compete in F1 100% while leading a pro-cycling team. I say he will take a sabbatical and be back in 2015 with McLaren-Honda.

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I thought Alonso owns the cycling team, doesn't mean he will be team boss... should take less effort than it does Mateschitz to run Red Bull Racing I would think.

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He's not the team boss, he's the team backer with a 2-yr commitment to provide economic support and then to move forward the same way any other cycling team. He's not gonna be the team sport's director. I see his move quite bold and I applaude his gesture in putting a large amount of money on the oldest team of the pro-tour. Why is it that anything that Fred does is commented in a negative way?

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OMG!!! So it's true after all.

For certain life has lots of surprises, and this one is up there with the best of them.

Can't help feeling sad for Massa because he comes across as a team player and one that gives his all but due to circumstances, he has been unable to deliver results that are expected of an Ferrari driver.

So yes wishing Massa nothing but the best and hopefully, he can find another seat somewhere on the grid which is likely to be with a midfield team.

Now Alonso's moves the past few weeks begin to make sense for ''the iceman cometh.''

Yes Luca has decided to listen to the voice of the tifosi by bringing in someone that can score big points for the team but where this will leave Alonso, only God knows.

Having said that, it seems Alonso is pretty confident of seeing off Kimi so much so, he's already thinking of renewing the contract past 2016.

Anyway happy days for the fans because Ferrari is where the fun is at from 2014 onwards.

P.s.

Maybe Kimi's comeback has something to do with the fact that Luca doesn't have full confidence that Alonso can scoop up the WDC (because of the stiff competition) and so decided to focus on the WCC.

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For certain life has lots of surprises, and this one is up there with the best of them.....

Really? You really rate this as one of the greatest surprises of recent times?

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@ Tim

Sure thing bro.

Never in my wildest dreams could I imagine Ferrari would partner two world class drivers especially so if one of those drivers is Alonso.

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Ferrari today confirmed the hotly anticipated news that Kimi Raikkonen has been re-hired for a two year contract starting in 2014...

I was just remarking that I don't really understand why you find it such a surprise - it has been in the offing for quite a while and can hardly have been a shock 😉

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That's nuts, completely away from reality. What F1 do you follow, mate? Fred is one of the best drivers in F1 in the last 10 years, period. Give him a top car and he's gonna fight for the DWC 'til the last race. I wonder if he were Brit or German, even French to read wonderful histories about his racecraft and what not. In the land of the world champions, there's no such thing as a good 2nd place, and year after year you've seen the clashing of drivers, on different teams -a few times on the same team- because that's what champions do; take no prisoners.

I haven't seen any direct indication of huge problems between Fred and his team mates, so all the fable about him and Trulli, Hamilton is plain BS. The Macca affair in 2007 IMO was a clash between Ron Dennis and his idea to market a rookie brit sensation above the newly-hired two-time WC and it went very bad for Macca. If Fred was the villain, then there's not adjective for the bahavior of both Dennis and Hamilton Sr. I think the idea of Kimi-Fred in Ferrari will provide good entertainment next season -if it happens- but I am more worried about the Scuderia capability of designing a winning car. Even if they put together a fantastic turbo engine, Newey will keep an upper hand in terms of aero. I am sorry for Massa, Kimi, Fred for taking the wrong decision to move to Ferrari when the team has moved into its new dark ages. I would love to see a resurgence of the team and give Fred and Kimi a realistic chance to winning but I don't feel they have the right combination of people who build the cars and runs the races. If I were Fred, I would go to Lotus and wait if Renault brings the magic of their powerful turbos back to the track.

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that is a shame but understandable, Felipe really has struggled to find his feet for the last few years. He's such a nice bloke, I hope he can get a good drive for next year, he deserves it, he's a grafter, a nice guy, and fast. A fresh seat away from Alonso may just be what he needs to re light the fire. He needs a seat as no1, not n02, to get some confidence back. I wonder if the unswerving support of Rob Smedley will go with him?? The best of luck Felipe, heres hoping you have a good seat next year. Failing that, go and show them how its done in Indy car. Well Fernando, now you are in the sctuck aren't you! Kimmi will not perform as a no2, and certainly won't lie down. Kick Fernandos a55 Kimi!!

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To be honest if Di Montezemolo had some balls he would have got rid of Massa and Alonso, they're just not going anywhere, he should have made Vettel and Hamilton an offer they couldn't refuse but insteaf both the fastest drivers in F1 are tied down and now they're forced a aging Raikkonen with questionable motivation and an ever distant relationship with Alonso, I will stick firm with my opinion that with Vettel at Ferrari they would win the title especially with their resources and also the strength of their technical team which includes Byrne, Allison and Fry, loads more people I won't get into here. Now how would Raikkonen do with Alonso as a team mate? I think he'll do better than the post crash Massa, but will much change at Ferrari? No, unless they have a massive advantage on the engine front than Renault.

What will happen to Massa? Probably best if he finds a seat in 1 of the top seats seats at Le Mans next year, I'm sure Toyota has the means to hire him, doubt there's a decent seat left in F1, Williams?

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maybe Massa can join Webber at Porsche to form a sportscar superteam. They can call themselves the "number 2s".

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Looool!

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i think they should both stay away from racing and enjoy their money. crashing in other cars is not as safe as crashing in an f1 car. coulthard's having a good life without taking those risks.

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Could do, if thats the case add Barrichello to that car as well, still think Toyota will get the victory next year.

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Alonso's doing fine in the Ferrari. Vettel and Hamilton both have huge long term contracts in place already. The idea that they would spend the amount of money required to get either of them out of their contract, and then pay them a big enough contract to want to do that, is highly unlikely. I'm not an Alonso fan but he's of much higher talent and doing a much better job than you give him credit for.

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Byrne, Allison and Fry...big names, different styles and approaches. It doesn't look like they're gonna agree about what to do. Time will tell if the 2014 car is worth those big names. Pat Fry is still blaming the wind tunnel, even though he came in, first to lay down the right infraestructure for the development of the car, then to make them real. Still 2013 and again, wid tunnel and testing doesn't match. You don't need a troop of geniuses, just one who knows what to do.

AN

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I wouldn't bet against Byrne. He's produced some beauties in the past, hasn't he ? Allison is the creative element in the mix. We may just see a super red car next year.

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Well, he still has time to do it.

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Very interesting. Seems like a dictat to Alonso as much as it is about bringing in talent. Amazing just how much the time off from F1 improved Kimi all round.

I wonder who will get the most moral support inside the team. On the one hand Alonso puts the work in but has been critical, on the other you have Kimi who can be distant but has won both titles (drivers and constructors) with those guys.

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Finally Ferrari came to their sensers to let poor Massa go. It was about timd for change in that team.

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No idea why Ferrari kept him for so long. Must have been cheap as chips!

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So it appears Scuderia has decided to go for a 33 year old former employee and thus having two top drivers in their 30s.

This situation reminds me of those immortal words so eloquently uttered by the famous philosopher Fernando

''All you people at Ferrari are geniuses, mamma mia''

Fun fact

Both Mansell and Prost were in their 30s when they partnered in 1990 and no, Ferrari didn't win the WCC.

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Both Mansell and Prost were in their 30s when they partnered in 1990 and no, Ferrari didn’t win the WCC.

Well,do you remember WHO won it that year?

Is not a shame not to win when you are against the greatest of all time.

Anyway Prost was close and they had the best car at the end of that year,if not for Balestre feeding Senna's anger on a Saturday before Japan's GP who knows what would have happened.

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Your boy Hamilton will be in his 30's in just over a year's time, stop moaning. Raikkonen will get beaten by Alonso unless Kimi can get the measure of Alonso early, you talk about Prost and Mansell, they both won the title at the end of their careers so its nothing to do with their driving, Ferrari wasn't reliable enough back then.

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Fun fact both Schumacher and Barrichello were in their 30s when Ferrari seemed to get quite a few championships under their belt...in fact a few years older than Alonso and Kimi for Schumacher wasn't it?

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Because they were up against a THIRTY year old genius called Ayrton

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With RedBull, Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren all set up for 2014, that leaves only Lotus to name driver(s)so it seems Felipe might end up in the US or racing against Webber

Maybe Sauber or Williams could use him for development but am not sure they can afford him

I will miss him because he is a very nice chap

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If the story is true, will we see next year's Ferrari with the numbers 27# and 28# ??

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I have no doubt as to who will win the team mate battle. Fernando will wipe the floor with Kimi, who lest us forget, was beaten in 2008 and 2009 by Massa. As for "Alonso does not historically take well to highly competitive team mates", I would question this. Alonso didn't take too well to being treated as number 2 whilst reigning world champion with his team boss publicly stating "We are fighting Alonso"!! I don't really think any driver would. Indeed, you only need to look back to 2004, where Jarno Trulli scored the only win, and was ahead on points, and Jarno remained one of Fernando's best friends.

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kimi won WDC 07 was leading at the start of 08

then they changed the spec of the cars to favour

Massa. After the accident in 09 Kimi starts to

improve. Then gets a big payout for 2010.Ferrai

know what they are getting for 2014.Good luck

Kimi

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kimi won WDC 07 was leading at the start of 08

then they changed the spec of the cars to favour

Massa.This was because a big Spanish bank wanted

to do well in Brazil

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LOL. Ferrari favoured Massa to help a bank that didn't sponsor them for 2 years, and indeed was a sponsor for McLaren? Scraping the barrel!! LOL

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"No advantage for Alonso next year completely

different cars.Facts on Kimi and Ferrari last

time can be found here F1 BIAS.COM"

LOL!!!! f1bias.com??? Really, the clue is in the name. LOL!!! You are looking for FACTS in a Kimi Fan site? LOL

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No advantage for Alonso next year completely

different cars.Facts on Kimi and Ferrari last

time can be found here F1 BIAS.COM

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Keep dreaming mate, Alonso to throw his toys out of cot by The British GP after been shown how its done by the iceman

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Massa competed with Lewis Hamilton for the world championship in 2008. And after his accident he has won nothing and been on the podium only a few times.

He is not the same driver he once was, he is too inconsistent now.

So assuming Alonso will "wipe the floor" with Kimi because of their records with Massa, doesn't really apply as well you would like to think.

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Alonso is hard to quantify. His team mates in F1 thus far are:

Tarso Marques

Alex Yoong

Jarno Trulli

Jaques Villenueve (stand in driver)

Giancarlo Fisichella

Nelson Piquet Jr (Rookie)

Romain Grosjean (Rookie)

Lewis Hamilton (Rookie)

Felippe Massa (post accident era only)

To see Alonso go head to head with someone who is well proven/experienced, and potentially with like for like equipment will be very interesting. It's one thing beating Rookies, it's another beating a driver who isn't going to be phased by it all. For the first time in his career in F1 Alonso is really going to have to show what he's made of. He'll have no experience advantage and no mental advantage if Kimi rocks up in the other seat.

Game on !

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Pretty sure Alonso and Hamilton are good friends too - if fact their love for each other borders on the sickening lately.

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It's huge respect, not love 🙂 I think Alonso & Hamilton regard each other as equals with Hamilton having an edge in qualifying and Alonso better on race pace. Both used to look down on Vettel by attributing his success entirely to the car, but Alonso seems to have realized now that Vettel is an equal, though Hamilton probably doesn't share that view yet.

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I think their 'love' stems from the old saying, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" 😉

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The Iceman cometh and I can taste your fear mate.

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desperate times bring desparate measures.

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hahaa and desperate spelling!!

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I think it's pretty clear that James prioritises getting the news out fast rather than spending hours going over it with a fine-tooth spell-checker, and good on him for that 🙂

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He's referring to his own spelling in above post

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Kenneth was referring to his own ''desparate' spelling.

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@random79...my comment was addressed at my own spelling, not james. read again or get some specs.

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Apologies, my mistake, but next time could you make it a reply to your original comment?

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What now for massa, i cant see mclaren letting jenson go for massa, other than that maybe lotus, but i hear they are likely to take hulkenberg, not sure if lotus intend to keep grosjean, my guess is massa will be looking at a midfield team at best

Kimi / alonso at ferrari sounds interesting.....like to see how team orders goes down with that one, cant imagine slip streaming at monza next year

Last time alonso had a team mate to challenge was lewis and we all know how that ended!

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Yeah thats when Ron publicly stating the whole team was "basically racing Fernando"

At the time of silverstone onwards until that dodgy qualifying at Fuji Alonso had the upperhand in speed and consistency just a shame Mclaren screwed him, how would you feel?

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Wonder whether Rob Smedly will continue at Ferrari now that his best mate is leaving the team. Can't imagine his style of race engineering going down too well with Kimi.

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I'm not so sure, Kimi likes English guys, his manager and trainer are both from uk. I'd imagine him and smedley would enjoy a few beers together.

Can't wait for their radio conversations, be like the goonies reborn!

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Kimi baby stay cool, we're bringing you an ice cream cone. Did you want a flake on it!!

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‘Kimi, you are faster than Fernando, please overtake. Do you understand?’

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'I know what I am doing. Just leave me alone.'

'Kimi Baby, keep it cool.. We are getting you the triple vodka icecream. 🙂

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And end of an era and a new beginning for everybody involved...

On a side note, I hope Mr. Domenicali is not pulling our collective legs with this:

http://instagram.com/p/eFtb7DRoJq/

http://instagram.com/p/eF5FwoxoJ7/

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Forza Kimi!!!!

I ve never and ever thought Kimi would be back in red overalls!? Wow) Come on man, Iceman against samurai

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Maybe Alonso will go to Lotus with his pay off money from Ferrari, and maybe, just maybe Massa as well !!!

Kimi and Alonso in same team ?? just wouldn't work

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So is the Raikkonen deal done? This is actually good news the Ferrari pairing was getting stale time for a change, Alonso has been too comfortable he needs to wake up, just look at the struggles Vettel has to go through with Webber and Hamilton had to do to see off Rosberg, they're real racers if Fernando can't hack it then its time to retire, but he could prove everyone how good he is by blowing Kimi away in a fair fight we shall see.

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BBC says yes. One year contract with an option for 2015. So if things go bad Kimi could retire or go to another team. The same with Alonso. Next year they will try to get along. We have to wait and see.

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As a Raikkonen fan I am sceptical about whether this would be a good move for Kimi to go to Ferrari. I'd rather he stay at Lotus.

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Alonso vs Raikkonen. Is it really true?

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I can see Alonso storming off once Kimi starts challenging him - which he surely will. He threw his toys out of the pram at Renault and McLaren, and Ferrari ensured that Massa didn't pose too much of a threat.

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Keep on Dreaming

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James,

If Raikkonen is confirmed and Alonso wants to leave, the only viable option is surely Lotus? Unless Mclaren choose not to renew Button's contract.

Also could you see Massa go to Sauber to have some experience in the camp alongside Sirotkin? Its the only place I can think of him going or being wanted as he doesn't bring ££ does he?

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Why do you think Alonso will leave when Raikkonen returns? May I remind you that the same Kimi at his best, was bested by Massa in quali of 07-09, outscored in 08-09(until his accident).

And that same Massa has been blown to smithereens by Alonso, quali/race/podiums/race wins, you name it, he beat it at that.

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It seems logical but in reality things rarely workout like that, you could also say on pure lap speed Grosjean is faster than Raikkonen (Lotus technicians claim this) and in the few races together at Renault Alonso 'wiped the floor with Grosjean' so it looks even clearer...

Oh but wait, Trulli was faster than Alonso in alot of 2003 and 2004 especially quali and Trulli was beaten comprehensively by Kovalainen, so is Heikki much faster than Alonso then?

Or Webber destroyed Rosberg it wasn't even close and Rosberg had the measure of Hamilton at early season, even now he's not far off, so by that logic Webber would at least edge out Hamilton and the fact Vettel has smashed Webber over 4 years he would make Hamilton look stupid in the same car right?

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Massa brings substantial Brazilian $ with him, wherever he chooses to go - he mentioned his personal sponsors in his announcement that he is leaving Ferrari. Sauber (or Williams) would welcome him with open arms.

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Sauber looks the only option, I think he will struggle

Only thing is next year will be very technical so an experienced driver will be essential if they have a rookie in the other car

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I'm not sure Sauber is an option. Surely, Ferrari will want to promote Bianchi from Marussia to Sauber as part of their engine deal. And Sauber likely will keep GUT or slot the Russian kid into the other seat (in either case for obvious financial reasons).

The only potentially competitive seat is likely at Williams -- he can take a chance on them producing something special with a Merc engine in the back. Question is: are MAL and BOT locked in for next year? If yes, then I guess Massa's time in F1 is done.

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Not sure what the Force India drivers situation is, but that could be a potential option, though whether Massa is an upgrade on what they have is debatable.

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My best guess is that Sauber is all set for Bianchi and Sirotkin, with Telmex going to McLaren Guiterrez is most probably out of Formula 1.

I see Hülkenberg in a Lotus (just because he is rated high, though I would rate Sutil higher, but who am I to know? Sutil will not drive for Lotus, as he had his struggle with Eric Lux).

I wouldn't imagine Boullier throwing out Grosjean, who he manages.

McLaren is set, Perez brings the big Telmex money, Button is a safe bet.

So Massa is most likely out of the game with Caterham being the best option - they don't seem to depend so much on sponsorship money at the moment and they could need some experience next to Van der Garde.

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GUT will not be racing in Sauber next year.

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That would be an interesting three-way swap of drivers: from Lotus to Ferrari, from Ferrari to Sauber, and from Sauber to Lotus.

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It was a good thing that it was Felipe saying he won´t be with Ferrari next year and not the other way around. It would be interesting to see if Raikkonen is given a long term contract or just one year or two.

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I believe he has done it with Ferrari approval for his being loyal to the team.

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Good luck Felipe! You were the family man with honor and dignity. Hopefully you ll land a competitive seat.

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Mr. Montezemolo, thank you very much for bringing Kimi back! I adore F1))

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Thank god. Massa was literally a waste at Ferrari. They let him drive for far too long. I don't usually comment but just felt I had to this time. Time for a world class driver at Ferrari (or at least a better driver than Massa, which won't be hard).

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If 11 F1 wins from 184 starts, 15 pole positions, 36 career podiums and 783 WDC points don't prove a man is a 'world-class driver', what does?

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Thank you Tealeaf. No idea why MikeyB is classing Massa as world class!

15 pole positions from 184 starts... sorry but that isn't world class.

Don't even let me get started with the Massa Vs Alonso stats..

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World class? Is Massa better than Vettel?

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Domenicali and technical guys are the problem, not massa, iwoul reaplace stefano with ross brawn

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maybe the new Brawn is Boullier?

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going to be some tidy team lineups next year once they have their finances in order. Williams have a neat package and a good tech guy. Massa would do well to get a drive there. Same goes for lotus.

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Past time to be honest, for the last 4 years he's been one of the least competitive drivers out there. Granted, we really shouldn't have been expecting him to win in 2010 but by the end of 2011 it was clear he was past his best.

Personally I want to see Hulk take the second seat but if it's true that he's favourite to take over Kimi's seat at Lotus if he moves, then may well be all good anyway.

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Honestly I don't know what people rate the Hulk so highly - apart from the odd flash of brilliance here and there he's been extremely inconsistent like Massa and if we were to partner Alonso at Ferrari he would be just like another Massa, a number 2 support driver, just like Daniel will be a number 2 support driver for Vettel at RB. I'm hoping for a bit of spice and action next year with Kimi at Ferrari partnering Alonso - would be great to watch and see how that unfolds - if they can be made to work together than Ferrari would be such a POWERHOUSE!! Constructors in the bag!!

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Not sure what you've been watching but it wasn't Hulkenberg. He's been driving for midfield teams which, by the nature of the competition, means his results are going to be up and down a bit depending on how well suited the car is to any given track and that teams are closer there than those at the front.

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I second that. I think Sutil would be a better choice than Hülkenberg. But to be fair: Hulks cars have not been the greatest and it's hard to shine in the mid field, where the best tactics are all so easily disturbed by other teams stopping in an unpleasant moment, where you can't help to get stuck in the pack with a car that is about as fast as the competition.

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Sadly, I expect Lotus to fall further back next year and possibly Mclaren, too.

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Massa drove for Ferrari at the height of these competitive days when even 4 teams were fighting for wins. Stable rules brought the teams together. Three different engines were able to win races.

That was quite a feat on top of recovering from a gruesome accident.

I think Massa has recovered from that and more. It's just that Ferrari, RBR and Mercedes want to monopolize the top spots. Leaving little room for McLaren and Lotus/Renault if possible.

I do think that Massa was saving a spot for Vettel at Ferrari. More as a way of Ferrari dealing with a real issue at RBR in a very direct way.

Massa I think has lacked the ability to overtake as well as Hamilton and Alonso. Even so, perhaps Massa is a notch above many other drivers. It helps to start the race at the forefront so you don't have to overtake as many times. And perhaps Massa failed to impress at the startup grid.

I'm not exactly a Ferrari fan though. Ferrari not winning is quite OK for me. I'm also not exactly a fan of Alonso either. I don't care about a scripted reality TV with a happy ending. So bring more RBR and Vettel wins for all I care.

Cheers.

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He'll struggle to get a seat with so many good young drivers around.

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Looking forward to some epic Smedley - Raikkonnen radio chats O_O !

And great news for Hulkenberg!

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I don't see Smeadly as Kimi's engineer. For sure he would bring Slate with him.

Smeadly: "Good job Kimi baby"

Kimi: "I'm not your baby"

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The Iceman cometh!

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We will see how good Alonso really is?

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Hmmm, my favourite driver by a mile going to the team I hate with a passion. Next year is going to be full of conflicting emotions!

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Excellent decision by Ferrari, at last, someone has the guts to pair two of the best drivers in F1. The new regulations are certainly not the best time to try young drivers, and I hope RBR come to regret their second driver choice.

I think Ferrari (LDM) were enraged by Alonso's manager trying to land his driver the RBR seat, as this would have made Ferrari look an absolute joke next year!

With Raikkonen, they are taking an insurance policy against Alonso and for more WCC points. Can't wait for 2014!!!

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Many will remember MASSA as a shame as a second fiddle. He also crash HAMILTON and others more than necessary closing the door too much several times, and he lost the 2008 Championship in his only close opportunity.

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Where does this put HULKENBERG? Maybe in the air?

If he doesn't get a Lotus drive (now that KIMI let a vacant seat) he should consider to change management...

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The right call for Ferrari but Felipe's still got much to offer. I dearly hope we see him in 2014 and beyond.

Let's see Ferrari's next move...

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Massa departing Maranello? how sweet it's to

hear it,realy in fair dinkum department his

use by date has expired at Ferrari long ago,

Please note,Ferrari has done above norm for

Massa and his family since 2008 so please no

cheap shots towards Luca d Montezemolo.

As who would partner Alonso in Ferrari team

next year? my two bob say Hulkenberg,he is

young and have spine,in regard to Kimi he's

at the end of his bash in F1 and on top of

that he wants to raly in of season which is

noton the Luca d M script.

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Farewell drinks, you drove for ferrari, you have made it...!!

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Felipe Massa has been Ferrari through and through. He's took the rough with the smooth, had profound ill luck and trucked on nonetheless. Perhaps performances have been inconsistent recently but his heart and head have always been in the right place and that has contributed hugely to Ferrari's bigger picture.

I think Ferrari will miss him...

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He is not serious. Once he declares exit if Ferrari doesn't sign him. Now when it happens he is staying. I think he will go to Sauber where he started. But he is not serious about that all.

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What do we think of this then:

RBR: Vettel & Ricciardo

Ferrari: Raikonnen & Alonso

McLaren: Button & Perez

Mercedes: Hamilton & Rosberg

Lotus: Massa & Hulkenberg

Sauber: Grosjean & Sirotkin

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I pretty much doubt that Massa will race a F1 car next season, who wants a driver that is willing to take second place. No dis-respect to massa, he has been a thrill to watch and coming back from the accident to race toe to toe with Lewis shows great spirit. Well done. A new life in formula E or indy is waiting for this star. I wish him well and I think he will look back at this depature and relise it was for his own good.

(Or maybe Rosberg leaves for ferari and massa joins mercedes..................)

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Side Note: What does this mean for Smedely? Can't imagine Raikkonen would tolerate his degree of race engineer input...

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'Calm down Kimi baby - I'm proud of you, son!??

I like Smedley, but I think Kimi will take Mark Slade with him 🙂

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Massa deserves respect, he may not be the most talented driver of the field, but he has shown enormous courage when he returned after his accident.

Not many drivers would be able to race again with a platinum plate on their skull, Felipe did.

I think the "Pirelli Lottery" has harmed him badly. If I were him I would look towards Indycars, he will not suffer with the tires and I gather that the racing will suit him well.

All the best, Felipe.

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BBC all but confirmed Raikkonen signed Monday with Ferrari for next year with an option for the following.

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Well, Felipe certainly had a good run at Ferrari. He's a very likeable individual too. In his time there, as reported, he's won 11 GPs for them, including three in Turkish, giving up two (or possibly 3) more that I can think of (Brazil in 2007 for Kimi's WDC, Hungary in 2008 due to an engine failure, and possibly the 2010 German GP due to team orders). Although I was pleased to see Lewis win the 2008 WDC, I was sad that Massa lost it in the way he did. He never seemed the same as a race driver since his 2009 accident. But Ferrari to their credit stood by him, and showed class by letting Massa announce his own departure from the team. One of the good guys. Best of luck to him.

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This is a statement if intent for the Scuderia and the brand Ferrari. Drivers must serve their purpose, which is to win. If this decision irks Fernando, so be it. What matters more for Ferrari is victory. They are the most recognisable brand in the world and they have been comprehensively beaten over successive years by a manufacturer with no history. Hopefully this will change with the installation of Raikkonnen in the second seat. But, I guess the subtext here is driver vs. machinery. Will two of the best drivers in the world be able to beat Red Bull, Adrian Newey, Sebasten Vettel and Daniel Ricciardo? Because, barring a freak case of brain fade, we all know who will have the better car next year. It does look though, with Fry and Allison, a newly calibrated wind tunnel, an advanced simulator program led by Pedro De La Rosa and the driver pairing of Alonso and Raikkonnen, that Ferrari are poised for an aggressive fightback in 2014.

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The BBC are claiming that Kimi has definitely signed with Ferrari but only on a one year deal which is somewhat surprising.

James : is this correct, and if it is, whose preference was it and why ?

I can't think of any reason why Kimi would want such a short contract so are Ferrari doing this because it was the only way to sigh Kimi and keep Alonso on board ?

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must have been Montezemelo's request as he would not wish to pay Kimi that much for gardening leave twice!

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Since Kimi returned he has been under 1 year contract with an option. He never had a long term contract with Lotus. So it seems Kimi is confortable with things going that way.

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I think he has a couple more years in him, so 1 & 1 is possible, but it's not a very certain move and who follows him?

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If true, it'd appear Ferrari are reserving the option of getting Vettel in 2015 or 2016. By then, either Ferrari will have had some success with the ALO/RAI combo or give either the boot to facilitate the arrival of the young apprentice.

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If it was true, I'd wager that it was to keep their options open for Vettel.

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I think this is what Ferrari might think - for now it is the super team: Alonso and Kimi.

They will see how 2014 will pan out. It might go several different directions after that:

1. Kimi retiring and Alonso to partner with Bianchi

2. Kimi and Alonso retire and Vettel to partner with Bianchi

3. Alonso change the team and Kimi to partner with Bianchi

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I think it was Kimi wanting to give it a whirl for a year, see how it goes and then take a call. He's been burned before by this Ferrari setup, so can't imagine he would be too keen to get screwed again.

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This should not come as a surprise to most. Just as I was getting ready to feel sorry for him, the picture of a young Massa winning in red in Brazil came to mind. The man had lived!

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So next year, 20 years on from Senna's death, we may well have no Brazilian on the grid for the first time in at least 40 years, as I recall. He sure was a hard act to follow!!!

I fear for the long term prospects of the Brazilian GP...

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Can't say I share your concern about the Brazilian GP, since Senna the Brazilians haven't exactly set the F1 world on fire and yet Brazilian GP has always been packed to rafters, so I think that GP will be around for while, at least I hope it is.

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I am a Kimi fan, all the way. I will be amazed to see Alonso´s face if Kimi beats him often. But also, what would happen in the Raikkonen side if the Ferrari is not bullet-proof, as a completely new era of V6 engines, turbo and energy recovery systems present some theething issues! A great 2014 awaits for us fans...

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Massa has not been as good the last few years since the accident and hats off to Ferrari for keeping him for so long and having hope.

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