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Vettel Takes First Home Victory As Lotus throw down the gauntlet
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Posted By:   |  07 Jul 2013   |  5:12 pm GMT  |  441 comments

Sebastian Vettel was today able to do something that he had failed to do his entire F1 career, as he took his first home Grand Prix win, holding off an impressive display by the Lotus pairing of Kimi Raikkonen and Romain Grosjean.

It was Vettel’s fourth win of the season and the 30th of his F1 career.

“It was a tough race; it was one of the toughest for a long time, ” said Vettel, who described his main emotion at winning his home race as “relief”.

“I’m happy the race wasn’t two or three laps longer, as Kimi was a bit quicker towards the end. I’m very happy that it worked out and it’s very special.”

After taking the race lead from a slow-starting Lewis Hamilton in to the first corner of the opening lap, Vettel was able to extend his lead in the opening stint and looked to have a big gap as the early switches to the prime tyre took place.

At this point Mark Webber had sat in second place after also passing Hamilton at the start, but his race came in to trouble at his first pit-stop. An issue with the right-rear tyre was unsolved as his drove away from his pit-box, resulting in the tyre coming off the car and hitting an F1 Management cameraman, Paul Allen, in the pit-lane.

Reports state that he was taken to hospital, with a cracked bone in his shoulder and rib. Red Bull was fined by the stewards for the incident.

With higher air and track temperatures the Lotus car came in to its own. As the cars starting on the option tyre pitted for the prime compound around the six lap mark, Grosjean was able to run until thirteen laps in to the Grand Prix before making the switch to primes. This put Grosjean in the hunt for the race victory as he put himself in second place following his stop.

At this point Vettel held a comfortable twelve second gap between himself and Raikkonen, but that was undone by a Safety Car period as the race entered the halfway stage.

Jules Bianchi’s Marussia suffered a blown engine at the final chicane before rolling back across the track and down the hill, prompting the Safety Car and a flurry of pit stops.

When the race restarted it was how you were for the leaders, albeit much closer together. Grosjean began to pile even more pressure on the Red Bull driver with Raikkonen close behind. Lotus had hoped to stick to ‘Plan A’, presumably a two-stop race, but changed to three stops when their tyre wear became too extreme with seventeen laps still to run.

Grosjean was the first to make a third stop; Vettel following suit a lap later. This denied the Frenchman the chance of an under-cut an their positions remained unchanged following the stops.

At this point it appeared that Raikkonen, now in the race lead and fifteen seconds ahead of Vettel, would attempt to complete the race on his degrading prime tyres. But with eleven laps left he pitted for a second set of the soft option tyre, dropping to third and set about chasing Vettel for the win.

Grosjean let him past with little resistance and he closed to within a second of Vettel by the race end, but was unable to deny the World Championship leader of his 30th career victory.

He is now 34 points ahead of Alonso, and sees his team extend their Constructor’s Championship lead to 67 points over Mercedes.

Last week’s winners had a day to forget as Hamilton lost out to both Red Bull’s and suffered a lack of grip on the medium tyre following his first stop and spent much of the race in traffic. He made a late third stop and was able to pick his way through the pack to fifth place and maintain his team’s three point advantage over Ferrari in the teams Championship.

Nico Rosberg could not make up the ground lost in yesterday’s disappointing qualifying session and ended the day in ninth place after battling with Nico Hulkenberg for much of the race.

Alonso was the sole points scorer for Ferrari after Felipe Massa spun at turn one in the opening laps and retired from the Grand Prix. The Ferrari was unable to match the pace of the Lotus and Red Bull ahead, but Alonso was able to make the best of what was available. He sees his lead over Raikkonen in the Championship now cut to seven points.

McLaren had one of their strongest races of 2013, with Jenson Button and Sergio Perez taking sixth and eighth places respectively. They were the first of the two-stop runners and this result gives them encouragement  in catching regaining fifth place in the Constructor’s Championship from Force India.

GERMAN GRAND PRIX, Nurburgring, Race
1. Vettel Red Bull 25 Pts
2. Raikkonen Lotus 18 pts
3. Grosjean Lotus 15 pts
4. Alonso Ferrari 12 pts
5. Hamilton Mercedes 10 pts
6. Button McLaren 8 pts
7. Webber Red Bull 6 pts
8. Perez McLaren 4 pts
9. Rosberg Mercedes 2 pts
10. Hulkenberg Sauber 1 pt
11. Di Resta Force India
12. Ricciardo Toro Rosso
13. Sutil Force India
14. Gutierrez Sauber
15. Maldonado Williams
16. Bottas Williams
17. Pic Caterham
18. van der Garde Caterham
19. Chilton Marussia

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Yes baby!

Congrats Seb, let's win the championship.


I think we have to take up a collection to print a plaque and send it to Vettel.

He may have 3 WDCs, but he certainly dosn't have that many JAonF1 DOTDs!


It's a strange thing, Vettel just isn't as popular as a 3x WDC driver should be. I was listening carefully when they did the podium interviews and had my 'cheerometer' tuned in - I think Kimi got at least, as loud, or maybe a louder cheer than the local boy. The usual argument of 'well, it's because he is German' doesn't fit on this occasion. Any suggestions?


I see comments about Hamilton not being happy with his car- what about Kimi? As a viewer, it is clear he is still not 100% happy with his power steering, and could probably go a lot faster over a lap if it was to his liking. Put it this way, if Raikkonen was driving the Mclaren that failed in 2005 today, he would have dominated.


Congrats to a great driver and team, Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull. May they win many more.


That was a Champion's drive by 4ettel

… and a little teaser of 2014: Kimi giving Vettel a run for his money. I can't see Kimi staying at Lotus. Red Bull need to safeguard their future by signing up another world Champion. Experience is key in 2014.


I don't know, if Lotus can keep up this level of form I can see Kimi staying.


vettel was asked about kimi joining his team and he said he didn't mind and went on to talk about richiardo without being asked so kimi may be too much for vettel.

Thread the Needle

It's in the bag already, 4 in a row, unreal


DOD: Newey



If there is anyone who doesn't appreciate the difference the car makes to a drivers performance, have a look at how Jenson got on with the Honda and then with the Brawn..... Now tell me the car isn't the most important factor!


Uhmmm, why?


Notice how many times Vettel yelled 'Yes' into the radio at the end? 3 + 1


Yes, Yes, Yes, and YES again!!!


Na I don't think its in the bag just yet the car is a good allrounder but as you can see from some races, Ferrari, Mercedes and Lotus has all been faster at certain times, if that gearbox didn't fail then i agree.


No, it's not. RBR have reliability issues to solve. Can they do it?


I know reliability has been exceptional for the lst 6 years or so, but when did it get to the point that a single break down for the year is considered an unreliable car?


And you think it is a good thing for F1???

Aaron Noronha

Yes and until this year he never won in Canada and Germany and in the month of July. So the assumption of never winning Hungary or America holds no water until the race is actually over and we have some other winner


From suzuka onwards? more like from the asia leg onwards? so basically from Singapore he is nearly untouchable especially Suzuka, Korea and India, but don't worry the Mercedes engine will be too much for Seb and RBR next season most insiders thinks there's going to be a huge merc advantage, even Newey is complaining about next year being a engine formula.

Thread the Needle

No I don't think it's good for the sport, I'm a massive fan of the last race title fight

But this year vettel is in some form, if he hadn't broken

down in silverstone that would be three wins in a row, plus vettels lethal from Suzuka onwards, I just can't see Ferrari being able to catch him especially with the pace of the car

Vettel hasn't won in Hungary yet, so some hope for Ferrari

Get Well Soon Murray

No one team can seem to make a concerted challenge. Ferrari will have a go for a couple of races. Then Merc will have a go. Now Lotus are having a go. All the time Vettel keeps on raking up the points...


Thats how it is every year since the points system changed. Consistency wins - it just happens that Vettel consistently wins too.


Why did Lotus pit Kimi behind the traffic on the first stint?? And allow Romain to pull a gap of 10 sec by staying out longer....

The race was lost there i believe.

Its the same as Silverstone where they pit Romain first to undercut alonso in front instead of pitting Kimi first to cover Alonso behind.

In the end making kimi losing more positions.


I agree with better race management Lotus would have won today. Grosjean had a very good disciplined race. he has speed, must control himself and who knows what he can achieve.


It could have been won but Lotus hesitated to have Roman move out of the way 4 laps earlier when they told him first time "dont hold him" which meant to let Kimi by without fight but it took Lotus 4 laps to realise that Roman didbt care about it which in the end cost Kimi the win, 2 more laps or being let by Roman 2 laps earlier and it would be Kimi's win and I think these strategic mistakes will make Kimi leave Lotus...


Lotus made too many mistakes today, both with pitting Kimi and not getting Grosjean to let him through on time.

One the race in general...

Congrats to Vettel. He did very well, although I'd thought it would be a much easier race for him. Its ominous that Lotus and Merc (especially) seem to be able to keep up the development game. Mercs astounding development pace could see the championship on a knife edge by seasons end.

Aaron Noronha

Mercedes compromised on their race pace just to get qualification right for their home GP. Cant fault them because they had no idea how the higher temperatures and new tyres would perform. Their race plan starting in front might have been to build up a healthy lead over 2nd place and depending on how the tyres hold on do a two stop or a three stop. Even if Hamilton held on to first place at the end of the first corner he dint have the pace to build up the necessary margin for a three stopper nor would he be able to keep the Redbull or the Lotus behind

Unfortunately missing the tests will hurt them more than the advantage they received doing their own tyre test. All teams will trail some major updates and try out parts that might not be raced immediately but in subsequent races. While Mercedes will be compromised testing parts during race weekends. That will not only put stress on their engines but also compromises their race preparation/setup for that particular race.


Merc doesn't have race pace.

Its not something they can dial in or out. As supporting evidence, they would have done created race pace for Rosberg, after he didn't make Q3; but they didn't, because they couldn't.


I disagree about Mercedes. On Saturday they messed up with Rosberg in qualy. And today Lewis was on pole. In blink of an eye two RB overtook him. All he could do was to finish in P5. They didn´t have good pace


I think the poster was referring to development pace as opposed to race pace 🙂


Yes I agree, and no doubt their development pace was helped by 1000km of testing.

Hamilton braked so early for the first corner, maybe he was cautious because of the sticking brake problem he had on the grid.


Don't out rule Ferrari just yet. They have one of the best development drivers who has much more experience than the Mercedes drivers.



Any idea why the SC stayed for so long? When the Marusia finally stopped it was already way out of the track.


This is my current favourite gripe!

Totally unnecessary deployment again! I think they were perfectly happy to remove the stricken Marussia under double waved yellows until it started rolling backwards. Deploying the safety car was overly cautious... again. It was actually rolling into a safer and more easily recoverable position.

If double waved yellows are not deemed to convey to drivers that extreme caution is required then what's the point in having them?

Why do we need a safety car at all in fact? If the cars need to be guided slowly around a crash site or a large amount of debris, then just red flag the race and keep the racing laps. If you need 2 minutes to remove an abandoned vehicle can't we just have a circuit wide caution like in oval racing? Drivers just drive round to a delta (they already have the electronics in place for this).

2.5 second pit stops with no wheels attached pose more of a safety threat than a marrusia free wheeling away from the race track and what is done about this? 35k fine? So a weekend's worth of tyres (give or take) to put it in context. Not really much of a deterrent in the grand scheme of things.


Maybe they were being overly cautious. But at one point a car was in the middle of the track, albeit a very short time, and marshals were deployed on the track to remove it. You don't want cars at racing speeds (even under yellow) with track workers in harm's way. Better safe than sorry.


Once it was out, it needed to wait until all the cars were collected. It came in just as soon as Webber caught the rest.


I can understand the safety car letting Webber pass-- they're supposed to let the lapped cars get out of the train, so they're not slowing down the cars on the lead lap.

But I can't understand letting Webber drive full speed around the circuit to unlap himself and rejoin at the back of the pack... the safety car should have pulled in as soon as Webber was in front of it.

I thought the delta time rule was still in effect, meaning that Webber should have been penalized for going under 120% of the lap time (which I'm guessing is around 1:35, so anything under 1:55 would have been speeding).


From the lap charts it looks like he was pretty close to flat out James.

It appears the safety car was out laps 24-29, and on laps 26-28 Webber did 1:39.826, 1:36.908 and 1:37.491. The 1:36.9 was his fastest lap of the race up to that point and he didn't better it until lap 40, after his next pit stop.

Maybe Charlie had lifted the speed limit? It would make sense to get him to the back of the pack as quickly as possible if the danger had already been cleared.



Why does Charlie just tell Webber to go to the back of the grid (which he was already) rather than actually unlapping himself and give that lap back rather than wasting extra time with the safety car considering the car was already out of the way? Same with backmarkers in the future.

Unless electronically, they need to do this to ensure that timing etc. works correctly.


I actually like this rule. It makes it cleaner at the restart and It's fair to marussia and caterham who are only racing each other (they dont need the big boys constantly lapping them)

I remember at Singapore in the last couple of laps a back marker got in the way at the restart and comprised the guy in second who was challenging for the win.

I will admit that it seems to take forever to get around tho.


Given that Webber was already at the back of the train of cars when the safety car came out, couldn't the timing computer just add a lap to his tally and they would have got on with the racing a lot sooner, rather than the fiasco of having him pass everybody one lap and then take another two laps to catch the tail end?


He wasn't flat out, that's why it took a while to restart after the note went out to unlap himself

Valentino from montreal

Vett3l does'nt waste anytime disposing his competition ... He passed Hamilton at the first corner , after that it was Ciao , sayonara , goodbye , and into the distance ...

Only 2 away from tying Alonso .. Cant wait !


All without DRS for most of the race.


No I think he lost it for a few laps- (his words to that effect). Don't exaggerate


It was KERS not DRS and according to the broadcast I watched it seemed like much than a few laps. Most of the race is probably a stretch though. The last few laps was when the radio broadcast came from Rocky (I think)that now KERS was fixed and to get going. Great stuff.

By the way I think if Kimi had been able to talk to the team he might not have pitted and that might have let him win. That was certainty David Hobbes take on it.


Sucks for everyone who bought that V3ttel T-shirt...good for barely a year. 😉


They will have VE7TEL T-shirts soon enough 🙂


Where can we pre-order to get good use out of it?


This was a great race, edge of seat stuff! Vettel really had to fight for this win but he ticked two boxes: home win and win in July 🙂


Vettel always seemed to have it under control.

The FIA made some curious decisions. By the time the safety car was deployed. the Marussia was in a safer place that when it broke down, and why did we have to watch the safety car for another 7 laps?

Then comes the Stewards decisions for unsafe release in the pit lane. Why investigate after the race and then only issue a fine?

We are talking about 'UNSAFE' release, only give a fine and teams will continue to do it if it gives them an advantage on track, bills can be paid but points can't be bought.


i think the safety car was deployed because there was an unmanned car in motion on the circuit and they couldn't predict where it would go or stop. it's not easy to make such decisions on the move. watching the race trackside alone sends the brain into information overload let alone making decisions about changing conditions as well.

as for the mild fine for unsafe release, teams would do it if the fine remains so mild. they should fine redbull enough to pay for compensation for the cameraman's losses due to his injuries as well as legal and admin costs. redbull got off lightly in my view.

on the other hand, i think the mechanics who jumped out of the way of the tyre could have stopped it. jumping out of the way in the manner they did, allowed it to hit the cameraman.


The safety car was deployed as soon as it was rolling. A bit pointless when it stopped rolling 10 seconds later, but all cars slow down as soon as the safety car is activated, so the track was made safer even if there was no safety car.


It has shades of 2009 again. In 2009, Webber won his first grand prix at this circuit - the Nurburgring. It is Mark Webber's best circuit. I think this is the first time anyone has out-qualified Mark on this circuit.

After his victory in 2009, he then podiumed in Hungary and he catapulted into 2nd place in the drivers championship - ahead of Vettel, but behind the Brawn of Jenson Button, and looked like a great chance for the championship.

Around this point, Mark was re-signed by Red Bull for 2010 (http://www.ausmotive.com/2009/07/25/webber-happy-to-re-sign-for-2010.html). Then for the next five races, Mark did not score a *single point*, with a whole series of bizarre car problems and team blunders, like the pitstop blunder in Spa.

And now again, Webber was quicker than Vettel and back in the hunt for the championship (being less than 2 wins behind Vettel), and having gone faster around the circuit than Vettel who was stuck in traffic, a quick pit stop would've seen Webber emerge in front of Vettel. Not something that many people in Red Bull would have wanted at all.


Vettel was on fresh tyres and was still over a second behind the car ahead after pitting. Webber would have simply come out behind him, and maybe even Hamilton.


That is not true with an ordinary pit stop webber was going to come out in front



Again, he was only 14 seconds ahead, not likely to be enough to come out ahead.


Bart, were you paying attention to the lap times? Grosjean and Webber were lapping faster on their old soft tyres in clear air than Vettel in traffic on his fresh mediums.


@Jay Bopara

Webber was a mere 14 seconds ahead of Vettel after Vettel's stop (and before his own), on lap 8, when 16-17 seconds would have been needed:


How was he going to emerge in front of his teammate then?

Sean Thompson

A sensible decision from the stewards. No one could have predicted where the car was going to stop. It just so happens that the car stopped in about as good a position as you could hope for.

Jolgas and George: Are you seriously suggesting that Red Bull intentionally sent Mark out with an unsafe car? Get a grip.


I agree - it was strange when they announced Di Resta's unsafe pit lane release would be investigated after the race, followed then by Webber's. Granted, they were in different circumstances but it sets a dangerous precedent.

If a team is vying for points, far better to have an unsafe release and cop a $7K fine than wait and lose track position (they will be the cheapest points earned at that fine rate). So this would encourage risky pit maneuvers rather than stamp them out. I believe the instant in-race penalty of a tour through the pit lane is effective AND they still have the option of additional recourse for an incident such as Red Bull's.


Like they would risk lives just to slow down Webber. Just like they must have decided to switch off Vettel's gearbox to spare everyone another Vettel win at Silverstone. Face it man, Webber would have finished 4th behind the 2 Lotuses without the incident, or even 5th, with Alonso bearing down on him.


you don't have to make MW look bad in order to make SV look extremely good. We all know how quick MW could be on his day, just that RB are afraid to let him take his days. If MW was anything as poor as you make it look, he wouldn't have been next to SV on the starting grid for most of the season so far and RB wouldn't have had to mess up his race somehow.


No, when the safety car was deployed the car was rolling across the track - in fact it was only about a full car length on to the track, with the front wheels barely off the grass. The call was made very quickly as soon as they realised they had a moving car under no control.


Yes it was deployed quickly an quite rightly, my point was the sheer length of time the safety car was on track. The recovery 'digger' and marshals were already on scene, yet we had to watch the safety car for 15 minutes.


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I agree, and if certain action did take place at red bull to slow down Mark and that camera man died would that not put red bull in big trouble.? Just always seems to be a pit issue or start issue, unbelievable. He fixes the starts then .... If Kimi gets into red bull then watch the vettle sparks and dummy spits fly.


If it is so obvious, the limiting of Webber, and Kimi is a smart person, would he walk into that situation at Red Bull?


Why does Webber always seem to have problems when he is near Vettel?

Why are Vettels pit stops so professional and smooth?

Can't imagine Vettel being sent back into the race on 3 wheels.

Another team investigation?


And that's why Ricciardo will get the RB seat next year


And if the circumstances had been different, lives can't be replaced


Webber didn't gain an advantage (or stood to gain an advantage) from the unsafe release, quite the opposite. An on-track penalty for him would have been inappropriate, especially since the unsafe release was not his fault (he reacted to the lights). Whether or not a fine for the team is appropriately severe depends entirely on the amount.


If you don't punish the teams on track for being unsafe, they just ignore it and treat it as a cost of racing. Massa was given a drive through for an unsafe release at Singapore 2008 for a much less dangerous situation that wasn't his fault. I think the teams and drivers lean far too much on safety rules, like not slowing down sufficiently when yellow flags are waved and now this. This was a massive let off for all concerned, F1 should act now to avoid a repeat with much worse consequences.


I'm not saying Webber deserved a penalty, I'm saying that if the Stewards are only going to give out fines, as in this weekend, then some teams may release cars unsafely to gain any advantage they can, and pay the fine.


Releasing a car into the path of another car in the pit lane is a tactical move with the aim of gaining an advantage in the race, and should be penalised on the track. In Webber's case, it looked like a technical fault. Webber dropped from 2nd to last as a result, so I don't think an additional penalty on the track was warranted. If the team has an unsafe procedure, they should be penalised financially, and maybe one could argue that the fine was too small. However, unless it happens again, I don't think it points to a culture of undue risk taking at Red Bull, so I don't see the need for more severe punishments at this point.

When Button left the pit with a loose wheel at the British GP in 2011 in very similar fashion, the fine for McLaren was a mere €5000 - but of course, at that time, nobody got hurt.


When I read the post, I assumed it was referring to Di Resta unsafe release - maybe wrong. But if it was, then I agree that a fine was a strange punishment. If it was Webber then I agree with your assessment.


So who's to blame for unsafe release if not just the team?


Quite a nail biter right up to the end, what a race!

Vettel has finallay broken his July duck.

Hamilton said he had to be wary of the Red Bulls, I don't think he expected that poor start to compound Mercedes' tire issues so early.

The backwards rolling Marussia had to be the silliest thing in this race.

Looks like someone forgot to pull up the parking brake! How about using the headrest as a chock next time?

After the pit lane bowling strike by Webber's bouncing wheel, will all pit-lane personel require helmet protection?

If the detached wheel was on the left side, the pit-wall bosses would have been in real danger.


I couldn't watch after the tyre struck the cameraman, I feared the worse. What happened was terrible and unfortunate but it could have been much worse.

I think we should introduce very harsh racing penalties for teams (and by extension drivers) released without all their wheels secured, up to and including disqualifications and deductions in constructor points.


I was staggered that both Red Bull and, in the separate incident Force India, both only escaped with fines after this race.

I thought Red Bull should have ended up with something like a one-race ban, ideally suspended for the rest of the season. I remember the FIA giving Renault a one-race ban after they sent Alonso out with a wheel unsecured at the Hungaroring a few years back.

Admittedly that ban was eventually rescinded and the initial ruling was perhaps influenced by the serious head injury Felipe Massa had suffered earlier that same weekend. However, with the teams pushing for ever-shorter pitstops I do feel there is a role for sporting penalties to be used (and in this sense perhaps constructors' points would be the best solution - as it does feel unfair to penalise the driver) as a way of reminding teams that, in their quest for speed, the safety of people working in the pitlane should not be compromised.


(Reply to Rockie, rather than myself)

No not bitter at all. Tbf, when you see someone get hit by a tyre like that it does generate an emotional response so maybe that explains the tone of my reply. At the same time, although we could all debate what sort of sporting penalty would be most appropriate, I don't think there's anything wrong with applying a sporting penalty when an unsafe release has put others at risk. It doesn't matter whether the release was done by Red Bull, Ferrari or any of the other teams.

Although the Force India unsafe release was less dangerous it also put JEV at risk. So I also think they should have had a sporting penalty, even if it was only a drive-through penalty.


Lol bitter much?


Although i agree with you that having a helmet is a good thing, it would not have helped protecting the cameraman from the injuries he sustained.

So then should all personnel in pit lane including the team managers on the wall wear helmets too???...where does it stop?

I don't know the answer but it reminded me of 1994 Imola....we have learned a lot since then, it needs to be reviewed...


And the other thing that's been mentioned is a reduction in the pit lane speed limit, which would also have made no difference in this case.

The only way I can see to prevent this sort of accident would be a mandatory minimum pit stop time, so there is time to change the wheels without mistakes, and for the lollipop man to check properly that all four corners are complete before releasing the car.

I don't think that's a proportionate response to what is a fairly unlikely accident though. I'd go for some substantial sporting penalties to encourage the teams to play it a bit safer with their pit stops.


Minimum stoppage times would work just like an overall speed limit in F1 - it would improve safety, but it would also reduce the spectacle. Although we should take any sensible step to reduce the risk, in the end we just have to accept that motor racing remains a dangerous sport for all involved.

I am sure the camera man would agree - his presence in the pit lane, and his job, are a direct consequence of pit stops being part of the spectacle. Let's wish him a speedy recovery.


How about the teams cars both have stop and go penalties if one is released in safely?


Suddenly, Mr. Horner and Mr. Mateschitz stop complaining about tyre DEGRADATION ("This is not racing anymore...."). In fact, they seem to be very happy. Can someone please explain what happened?? 😎


I thought it was more along the lines that the tyres were doing what they were intended to do - have peak performance for a set time/laps based on data logged by each team regarding fuel weight, aerodynamic efficiency, track characteristics, etc, lose performane at a gradual rate, then fall off the performance cliff, necessitating changing - which is different from having peak performance for an unpredictablely short time even if you nurse the tyres especially at heavy fuel weight, lose structural coherence (gradual to heavy to full delamination depending on the track characteristics, driver style) and performance, then fall off the car/fail at some random point, most likely at high speed...


They stopped complaining before Canada, since they got vetoed by other teams on the tyre change.

They never stopped expressing their concerns over safety, which proved to be correct.


If you had watched the race you would have seen everyone was able to push to the limit, instead of driving around 2 seconds slower than what they could.

Yes, that is racing and the way the tyres should be so nursing the tyres are not the dominant factor.


"If you had watched the race you would have seen everyone was able to push to the limit"

Wrong, Merc for one were no where near the limit of the car.


That's their problem, most other teams were pushing to the limit.


In that case, why was the fastest lap four seconds slower than the pole? Rest assured they were still all driving to a vector time as before.


Some of it will be down to the combination of fuel loads and tyre degradation, plus a few other factors, but I don't know if that can account for the whole difference.

The guys who pitted for softs 10 laps from the end, like Alonso and Raikkonen, would have still had roughly 25kg of fuel in the car, which from the numbers in James' preview would make them just under 1 second per lap slower than a car with only l lap of fuel in it.

I'm not sure if Alonso and Raikkonen had new soft tyres to use at the end of the race, but if not then that would cost a little more time compared to a qualy lap on fresh tyres.

Finally there's DRS. In qualy you get both DRS and (with luck) a clear track in front of you. In the race, you get one or the other.

I can't see the factors above adding up to more than a 3s lap time penalty. Alonso's first race lap on his soft tyres was roughly 3.5 seconds off his best qualy lap. Raikkonen's best was more like 4s slower than qualifying but he did that quite late in the final stint after passing Grosjean. So it's in the ballpark but there does still seem to be an element of conservation there.


And exactly 4 seconds slower than a lap record set in 2004 by Schumi. some very fast F1 cars we have now do we now 🙂


They were pushing all the way. You cant compare soft tyre fresh 1 lap qualify speed with hard tyres at the end of a race with 20 laps on them.


The tyres weren't degrading.

I would have thought that was obvious.


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July 7th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

The tyres weren’t degrading..

I would say that depended very much on which car you were driving 😉



You really didn't get it, right???

Two options:

1) SAME TYRES (except kevlar belt), but RBR fixed their problems - "WOW!!! THIS is racing".

2) Pirelli CHANGED TYRES (*rubber*) to please moaning teams (teams that use to win but were loosing now) - "WOW!!! THIS is racing".

So, in your opinion, what of the above options is the correct one???


Me, you are REALLY funny.

P.S.: Do you still believe Ferrari is the fastest car???


Neither of the two options is correct.


But they all did three stops. I think the diffence is that the tyres didn't shake up the performance hierachy; the teams are all shamelessly selfish.

Lets hope the tyres from Hungary onward would be even more durable, so we can have better racing.


Yes they did 3 stops but this is with the drivers pushing the cars a lot harder than earlier in the season. Compare this the Barcelona and is a big difference


Can we agree that Kimi is runner up in the GP and DOTD today? Surely Vettel is DOTD now, right?


I agree 🙂 Today was a pretty good race all things considering; it wasn't a belter but it was interesting right to the end. The tyres mixed up the strategy well, drivers could push hard for the whole race, even the double-DRS zones didn't make overtaking too mickey mouse.


No Sebee we can't . Im no fan of Grosjean but he drove an excellent race and took it to Seb yesterday. Lotus made a few calls that were not right for Kimi and he was a chance also.. Both Kimi and Romain attacked Seb in a car that was half a second slower on Saturday.

DOTD Grosjean-/Kimi, then Seb


how is romain DOTW??

he got the better strategy and couldn't capitalize on it.

Kimi was screwed by his team again on the first pit stop despite being the leading driver on the first stint. In the end, got held up by slower teammate and lose the win.

Tornillo Amarillo

No, it's GROSJEAN.

Vettel did nothing, just the clean air ahead, at the start it was Hamilton's fault (overtook by Webber also).


Vettel did nothing. Except for winning the race (which I think is what they all aim to do) against the pair of faster Lotuses.


Actually, you and I did nothing on the sofa. Vettel did all he could to stop some charging drivers and win the big prize.


100%.. he held off challenges from Webber, Grosjean and Kimi to win this race.. it was not as if Vettel opened up a big gap and stayed like that for the rest of the race.. he kept a cool head and drove brilliantly


Vettel is undoubtedly DOTD.

Matthew Cheshire

True. But that's what he always does. Whereas Grosjean usually impales an opponent and charges off the track. Before the first corner.

So by finishing a race, on the podium without killing anyone Grosgean has exceeded our expectations threefold.

Looked like just another day at the office for Vettel.

The argument really, is DOTD awarded on skill or spectacle?


Exactly what I was thinking, the English fans and media never likes giving Seb's talent any credit, we're looking at a future legend and Schumi's records are closer every race, just turned 26 years old 30 wins, 3 titles whos to say by this time next year we're not seeing 40 wins and 4 titles for Seb.

Alexander Supertramp

I believe he is, even though I hate to admit it :D.


Why did Alonso stop at end of race? fuel issue?


He was obliged to use the soft option eventually. Remember the rules say u must use both types of tires and he only used mediums until his last stop


The question was not why he made the final pit stop, but why he stopped his car on track after the end of the race. The answer is that he ran out of fuel.


Aaaa sorry, thought u were asking about the pit stop!! U r right with the fuel thing, the team were worried about not having enough fuel for post race sampling, that's why they told him to stop 🙂


Good drive by Vettel. Not an outright comfortable win but he was never threatened after taking the lead at the first corner. Solid drives by Kimi and Romain but Lotus made a mistake by pitting Kimi early and let him be stuck behind Rosberg-Hamilton for a number of laps, cost them the win. He could've come out ahead of both had he stayed out a couple of laps longer.

Seán Craddock

"never threatened"? He won by only 1 second! He had to cut short his stint to cover Grosjean! What does threatened mean to you; does he have to actually be passed?


threatened means actually having to defend his position from the car behind. Neither Grosjean nor Raikkonen could make a serious overtaking attempt.

Seán Craddock

I don't think threatened is the right word to use then.

If there was a tiger approaching me with the intent of eating me, I would say I was threatened. I would not feel that I have everything under control, I know I can run fast enough to get away in time; but what if I were to slip?

If it got to the point where I actually had to defend myself so I'm not eaten, I would without doubt call that an attack; I would never call that just being threatened.


Never threatened? He was under pressure for most of the race, with the lead being about two seconds at most and often well under one second. If that's not "threatened", what is?


I didn't see him ever being attacked by a car behind. He never had to fight anyone. Even Raikkonen couldn't make an attempt to overtake. He kept the competition at an arm's length without any trouble.

Maybe its Red Bull and you expect them to win in a more dominant fashion. Vettel had to push right at the end but stayed out of reach without much trouble. He would've had a tougher task had the race been a couple of laps longer.

Brad Withyman

His threat was eliminated during his team mates pitstop.


Excellent drive from Vettel! He was absolutely flawless: great start, smart racing, quick overtaking -- superb under pressure. Lotus were amazingly quick today and it was their race to lose. Kimi and Grosjean drove well, too.

So-so performance from Alonso. He lucked out into the fourth position thanks to Massa and Webber and was stuck too long behind Lewis, who was on old tyres.


I think Alonso would have had Webber and Massa covered to be honest.



Another DIG at alonso here which is not necessary at all

James have clearly stated here Ferrari were not able to match RBR and lotus for race pace and performance. Alonso did a excellent job to finish 4th in race where Ferrari had no pace and the strategy was poor as well.

Massa simply made a mistake and not good enough today.

As for as Webber Can you please ask RBR why they have sabotaged Webber pit stop. Did RBR feared whether webber will fight with vettel for victory today ?


If Ferrari had no pace, how come Alonso made the fastest lap?

Anthony Young

Raikkonen did the last 11 laps on the soft tyre, just as Alonso did. FA did a faster lap than KR, even though KR was chasing for the win. He finished right behind Grosjean, having been consistently slightly faster than both Lotuses until he relaxed at the very end.

His race was spoiled by the first set of tyres (scrubbed) not lasting as well as anticipated and then the safety car cutting short the second stint, meaning that the third and fourth stints had to be too long for comfort. And yet he still finished only 7 seconds behind the winner. This doesn't equate to being way off the pace at all. The strategy was probably wrong, but it could have worked in different circumstances.


@ Anthony young

Anyone in the top 12 can put a new set of soft tyres in the last few laps of the race could have done the fastest lap. It does not mean they have the faster race car.

Get Real. Ferrari were slow and poor when it mattered in the long runs or Race simulation.


Ferrari was only able to match the speed of the cars in front when he was on low fuel and soft tyres. Switching to the soft tyre 10 laps from the end and then put in a decent lap is not representative for the performance of the car the whole race.

Ferrari seem to loose the performance race to RB, Lotus and Merc this year. Their deficit is so big already that I don't see them coming back anymore.

The F138 started as a allround performer this season but now it generally lacks pace and especially mechanical grip is poor. Maybe something to do with the Pirelli tyre tweaks ?


Alonso and Kimi were among the last to pit. Kimi went on used softs while Alonso had to use mandatory second compound(softs). He had a new pair of softs which he saved in qualifying.


Thanks for pointing out the obvious Anthony. I find it irritating that everyone says Ferrari are off the pace ALL the time. There are times when the car is on the money. The Pirelli tyre recipe has ensured that the balance of speed can shift from car to car from circuit to circuit. This has made Formula 1 what it is today.

How many races or titles does Vettel have to win to get respect? I'm not his biggest fan but he is a 3 time F1 WDC. That must take some doing if not we would all be that. He has beaten the 23 of best drivers on the planet 3 times straight. People really need to give him his props. Its not just about the car. Webber would have been WDC at least once if it was.


Where is a dig? Isn't it true that he was absolutely anonymous today? Isn't it true that he couldn't pass Lewis who fought him off on destroyed tyres for 4-5 laps before pitting? Isn't it true that he gained 2 spots thanks to Massa and Webber's misfortunes? Once again, have to say.

And I'm not going to answer the ridiculous conspiracy theory about RB sabotaging Webber. It doesn't even deserve commenting.

By the way, did Red Bull sabotage Vettel in Brazil 2012 on his extremely slow pitstop? Using your logic, they wanted Alonso to win the title.



What is True ?

lewis defended robustly and cooked his tyres. Despite the test gate mercedes could not perform when the conditions were hot if anything lewis was anonymous than Fernando in germany

Massa made a rookie mistake and lost position. How this can be fernando's Fault ?

RBR clealry know webber will go for the victory and sabotaged his pitstop with clear intention to avoid another Multi 21

If anything Fernando drove his race according to the strategy

Lewis was aggresive and spoiled the mercedes strategy. Masss what i can say ? He is simply not good enough to be at this level. You may not believe conspiracy however if you believe otherwise you need a sense check

Webber matched vettel for pace in germany. Webber finished 7th despite all the melee created by BRR

Bottomline : webber could have won if he was allowed to race vettel in germany


Mmm, you're right, I forgot that Lewis went immediately to pit. He had worst tires. But I insist on the point of the 7th longest.


I meant, Lewis had the longest 7th gear of the whole pack.


Lewis' tyres were not badly damaged then and Lewis did have the 7th longest gear of the pack.


Congrats to the 2013 WDC champion on finally get a home win under his belt. Yes, he came, he saw and conquered.

For sure, it wasn't an easy ride off into the sunset for Vettel had to keep faster cars behind him (with KERS problems and all)

Luckily for the wonder kid, the track proved really difficult to overtake on and so we saw a number of slower cars able to hold position.

Fair play to Lotus for coming out to play and giving Red Bull a run for their money however, at the end of the day, the team will be disappointed for they lost this race on strategy e.g. If Kimi's first stint had lasted 12 laps or if they had issued team orders much earlier.

As for Ferrari, the new parts haven't clicked with the car as shown by the fact Alonso didn't have the pace to match Lotus or Red Bull.

Shame, Europe got blasted by a heat wave this weekend for that really sealed Mercedes' fate. So yeah, wasn't nice to see them slide down the grid but at least they salvaged some points.

Encouraging performance from Mclaren, especially Jenson for he reminded the fans why he's called the smooth operator with his 2 pit stop race.

Looking at Force India's results, it seems the team have been hardest hit by the new tyres.

Right, now what I loved most about this race was the Lewis-Alonso duel that lasted a couple of laps. Got me up on me feet >>> Good stuff!

In conclusion, it was another great day for Red Bull but for the rest of us (including Webber), we were left longing for that day when King David will emerge and have a word with Goliath.


Glad to know the pitlane cameraman wasn't badly hurt.

Wishing Paul Allen a speedy recovery.


Love the LH, FA duel as well! It's so satisfying to see so many drivers giving their all and + some.

Love the RBR sandwich at the start too, especially after the Webber radio during warm up - if the tire slip, hold the throttle...

Biggest disappointment was Webber's tire change. It's fortunate that the injury was not critical. Best wishes to PA

Congratulations to Vettel for hard fought win! Nice after the heartbreak a week ago.


Prayers for the man injured in the pits

Congrats to my man Vettel!

What a race

Lotus needs SPonser so they can really compete great job

Did Alonso run out of gas?


James, you forgot to mention that after their first stop and due to returning to traffic, Vettel and Hamilton slowed significantly allowing Mark Webber to take the lead in the race following a 'normal' RBR pitstop. Unfortunately due to unknown circumstances, which I am sure will be glossed over by the media, there was an unsecured rear wheel on Webber's car. It does get much more obvious does it?

Of course the hit on the camera-man overshadowed this incident but maybe it is worth checking out in detail - see the video on GPupdate.com http://www.gpupdate.net/en/videos/3694/loose-wheel-hits-cameraman/


I think you will find the media are reporting the fact that Red Bull released their driver before the rear wheel was properly attached.

These are the facts of the matter, anything else is in your mind.


You can try to justify the impossibilty of no 'team plan' by hysterical comments about the camera-man being injured. Logically sufficient delay in changing a wheel can easily be manufactured. The unforeseen release and the wheel flying away is just the plan getting out of hand. Who would have expected the release to be given when a wheel was not secured and then the wheel to fly off and hit any object - could happen any time at any race. It does mean it was part of the plan, just they lost control of it.


Slight correction to last sentence - It does NOT mean it was . .


So, Stuart, just to clarify: are you saying that Red Bull deliberately sabotaged Webber's pit stop to keep Vettel ahead? Is that what you really believe?


damn right, how obvious was it that they deliberately slowed Webbers pit stop otherwise he would have probably been in the lead and you know that RBR will do anything to keep their boy in the lead and webber who will not be part of their team well out of the way. I'm sure they did not intend for anyone to get hurt but I have no doubt they deliberately stalled Webber's pit stop to make sure vettel would be well clear as they know webber would have not listened to team orders. They did a similar thing last week and made it look like bad start but used webber to hold back all of Vettels WDC rivals.


Everyone in the pitlane knows what happened to Henry Surtees. You are suggesting people like Marko, who lost an eye racing, and Newey, who was traumatised by the death of Senna (and faced criminal charges), would deliberately risk killing any of a hundred people in the pitlane without any proof.


You really think they would endanger the lives of the entire pitlane on purpose?


For the life of me I cannot recall a guy with such "bad luck" on such a good team. It is a perpetual series of boo boo's that are inexplicable time and time again; race in race out season to season. I am not a Mark fan but my heart goes out to this guy..... He deserves a much better outcome


You have a short memory, Hamilton last year was just as unlucky if not more so.


What's the reason for Vettel's gearbox a week ago? If it happened to Webber, it must had been intentional. As it happened to Vettel, it was time to stand up and cheer.

Aaron Noronha

Exactly, every time Vettel retires or has some car trouble no one says anything. Btw i think its 5 races until now where he has been leading and heading for an easy Victory and his car just gave up. But there are a few idiots who keep assuming that Redbull has no other work than sabotage its own driver every race weekend just to make Vettel win Dint it occur to anyone they could have just dumped Webber all these years and signed an obedient no 2 like Massa. There are two Championships. And for any team the Constructor team brings in more prize money than the Drivers Championship.


I guess RB didn't wanna try a multi21 again


There is no way any team would deliberately risk killing someone in the pitlane, just to screw Mark over.


No I dont think so either and it is not what Im suggesting. Holding up Webber is something different than what happened after that.


i don't think that the cameraman was ever part of the plan


a shame that Red Bull blunder with Weber rear wheel went unpunished, even being dangerous and got somebody hurt. Red Bull seems to have special rights to make mistakes and be rewarded. weber, instead of punished, was granted a swift pass through the lot of drivers behind the Safety Car, made the lap at dangerous speed even on yellow flags, and finished seventh.

at same time I cannot finish with no mention to the ever seamless pitstops given to SV while MW has many of them hampered with bizarre mistakes, that are always paid by Weber, and not the team.


Whichever way you look at it he was a front running car and ended up at the back of the pack. Some would say punishment enough for some think that was not Mark's fault. The team fine does not reflect the potential serious consequences of their mistake. A new system is required. I suggest one of the mechanics at each wheel has to push a button that is linked to the stop/go light only when the wheel has been fitted correctly. Only when all the buttons have been pushed can the team then release the car if the pitlane is clear.


RBR were fined €30K for what happened.thats hardly what you call unpunished. Do you think MW should have served a drive threw as well.


This is a billion dollar sport... 30k wouldn't cover their weekend catering costs. Get real, it's purely a symbolic gesture


Perhaps they could be shot out of a cannon into the sun? They didn't attach the tyre properly, this has happened loads of times in the past and the fine is always around that mark. The fact that the tyre hit someone makes no difference to if it had come off at turn 1 and rolled onto the grass. The fine is consistent with all previous incidents of a tyre not being fitted correctly during a pit stop. Maybe they need to bring out new guidelines for harsher punishment in the future.


MW was the victim of his team's blunder.

What is wrong is that RB extend their constructors lead after such an error. The penalty really should have included, at least, no points for MW's car, and probably a constructors only deduction. No points for the race would not have been unfair.

Drivers are facing licence penalties next year - why not the teams?


Well all previous teams who have not fitted tyres correctly have gotten away with a fine so it's pretty consistant. Maybe in future they could say from now going forward we will exclude constructor points for any car who looses a wheel I'd defiantly be for that. The poster had said that RBR got no punishment so I was just correcting him because regardless of what you think of the punishment, they have not gone unpunished.


Red Bull was punished, with a fine.

But you did not actually want "Red Bull" punished, did you? You wanted Vettel punished, somehow, for something which was not in any way, shape, or form his responsibility.


Also weird was the long stay of the Safety Card for such a small inconvenience as the removal of a Marusia. It helped SV a lot ,keeping his tyres fresh and making it easier for him to defend his leadership during final laps.


LOL what? That SC helped only Lotus and Alonso, erasing all the advantage Seb had over Kimi and Alonso.


The safety car cost Grosjean a better shot at a win and a certain second place. Without it he was 10-ish seconds clear of Raikkonen, was closing down Vettel and was on much fresher tyres too.


@James Allen Yes, you're right, James. I meant that because of the SC Vettel had to cover both Lotus cars and Alonso instead of covering only Grosjean, which was much trickier. If Kimi didn't pit, he would have likely won the race, thanks to the SC.


Didn't help Grosjean, who was well ahead with Vettel


In Webber's case, another instance of the FIA not understanding why in-race penalties matter. I'm sure the thinking in race control was "Webber basically lost a lap, his race is over, we'll assess a penalty later", instead of immediately applying a 10-second stop-and-go penalty. This is forgetting that F1 now operates with a safety car, with the ability for lapped cars to return to the lead lap. So the non-call can actually work to the advantage of the guilty team.

Now, I recognize the obvious weakness in my argument: even with the in-race penalty, Webber would have been the last runner a lap back before the SC period and would have been at the back of the pack on the lead lap at SC conclusion. However, there is still a sense of "justice delayed is justice denied". And lack of prompt action indicates that safety is the main concern only some of the time.


The stewards can only punish the offence "the unsafe release" the injuries to the camera man are separate and would be settled as any other accident would, by a compensation agreement or civil action.

James, do the FIA have a liability disclaimer that covers them from legal action taken out by individuals who are not race officials or team employees but are allowed in the pit area during the race?


You make a good argument, but don't forget that it was the team that was at fault, not Webber.

When they said 'to be investigated after the race' it was my hope (at the time) that it would be the team and not Webber that caught any penalty.

In my humble view a driver should never be penalised for a mistake made by their team, but unfortunately the reality is different.

In any case and in any way you look at it Webber lost out today.


Personally I think that Webber is part of the team, he is the driver but RBR is a huge organization who win as a team and loose as a team. The team enters two cars to each race so I don't think it's a problem to punish an car as that car and is team is an isolated race entry. I'd have given MW a drive through and PDR.


What about unsafe release where another driver gets a competitive advantage because of a team error. Take PDR at Germany he gained 2 seconds because of a team error, he also compromised JEV by him having to jam the breaks costing him time. In that instance do you think the driver should be punished. What about if the team short fuels a car in Quali, do you think it is on to punish the driver for a team error?


Generally speaking I hold to my opinion and that is if it's the team that makes the mistake it's the team that should be penalised.

However I do realise that's a simplistic view and there are many scenarios where the team can make a mistake and their driver can get an advantage from that mistake, but no matter what the rule is or what penalty is applied it's never going to be perfect and someone is always going to lose out.


Or the thinking could have been why penalize the driver when we can fine the team and penalize the responsible part.

With that said the fine amount is laughable. For something like that and the second time we have had a tire issue from RBR this year it should have been more like 300,000 euros not 30k.


30K or 300K is nothing compared to the constructors prize money.

RB should not have been allowed to collect any constructors points from this race - make that for either car as MW would not have got any were it not for the safety car.


And the cash should go to the person injured.


To some extent I agree. But then again the cameraman was not forced to be there. He entered into a hazardous work place and was injured not sure where the liability is. Especially since I can't believe he doesn't have to sign a liability waiver to be there.

Now as to RBR I think they should handsomely reward the man and if there are long lasting issues take care of him and his family. BUT that is only voluntarily and only to be done in private without anyone knowing. Otherwise it is just PR.


A thousand times "this"!


People that were afraid of Hamilton winning the WDC in his first year at Mercedes, were trying to create excuses and the testgate from Prelli was the basement for that.

And now guys? 🙂 It was clear that a problem that Mercedes had for three years would no be solved in three days testing compounds they not even know about.

But you know what, Hamilton will bounce back, even with these terrible tyres! Now Nercedes will not be able to test the new compound for Hungary, and even so, my bet is in the first victory of the best driver in the current grid: Lewis Hamilton.

Now, you dont have excuses anymore! And one last point.. Hamilton leaved McLaren because of money? It was a mistake? 😉


Whether or not they benifited is beside the point they were punished for breaking the rules and having and having the test. Even if the proved 100% that they gained nothing that doesn't make the test legal therefore the punishment is still appropriate. They were not punished to level the playing field they were punished to be punished.


Merc clearly gained using the test. They way they have zoomed to second place in construct's points is the example. We all know where they were before Barcelona.


[mod] the best driver on the grid is Vettel.
Mercedes did gain from the test, Hamilton found some extra pace and also Mercedes has won 2 races since the test, they had the quickest car over 1 lap anyway but now on hard tyres like at silverstone they are really quick, and in the long term Mclaren is a better bet than Mercedes, you think Hamilton will win in Hungary? I hope so, it stirs things up.


Mercedes did benefit from the illegal test, no one can deny this.

What really cost them now is the fact it is forbidden to switch the tyres around (left to right etc), which gave them a huge advantage in race pace. They started doing this after the test remember, which then other teams copied. So this is what you can expect from Mercedes for the rest of the season.


There is no way Mercedes learnt about tyre swapping at the Pirelli test. It has been common practice for many years - long before Pirelli made their first F1 tyre.

I would be very surprised if Pirelli actually did any tyre swapping during the test as doing so is about minimising wear. The last thing you would want to do in a tyre test is to artificially reduce wear and have false results. They needed to collect data on standardised runs.


Unfortunately for that theory, there's a photo from Monaco on the web clearly showing a Mercedes with a right-side tyre fitted on the left, so they didn't start doing it after the test. It isn't a new technique anyway - side to side tyre swapping dates back a couple of decades, so Ross Brawn would have been familiar with it years ago.


If Mercedes' benefit from the Pirelli test is the swapping of tyres, which other teams copied, then all the other teams who copied, notably RBR (who complained loudest about tyres after Spain) shd apologise to Mercedes cos the so-called STT enabled to them get over their tyre wear issues as well and Mercedes shd be allowed to do the YDT cum ODT cos everyone gained something from the so-called STT.

BTW, I thought tyre swapping started long before the Pirelli test?


Merc were not punished for benifitting from the illegal test they were punished for taking part in an illegal test. Even if they could prove 100% that they didn't gain any advantage that would be irreverent as the still conducted the test illegally. You can't punish RBR for not doing the test and even if they got some benifit that is irrelevant as the punishment was for taking part in the test which they did not.


Yes they have been doing it all season. If you look in the comments of Adam Cooper's blog post on the issue, there's a link to a picture from Melbourne of Rosberg's car with rear tyres switched.



Mercedes maximized the tyre switching in the setup area, thanks to the test. This is why they gained much more doing that than the other teams. They knew exactly what to do with it.

It is no coincidence that since that is forbidden, they are back to their pre-test race form.

Mercedes has the fastest car, there is no doubt about that. Their tyre wear is just very bad which then makes them look slow.


I think lewis or nico will win more races this year, when they have medium and hard tyres available, at races with the soft , unfortunately for merc fans there just go backwards, well done to vettel, hes going to take some stopping for 4 on the bounce


The thing is that the car was only really bad today on the first run with mediums. On the second run on mediums and the final run on softs, Hamilton was setting lap times that were very competitive with Raikkonen- who pitted for softs around the same time. (Even later, as I recall.)

So it seems to me like the problem they are having is with high fuel, not necessary with long runs or with particular tires.


How true are the conspiracy theories against Mark Webber? After today's foul up in the pits, I am 99.99% convinced somebody at RB don't want MW anywhere near the team's pet. A combination of that messed-up pit stop ruining what was a potential cracker of a race between Vettel and Webber and the sight of the cameraman on the floor almost made me switch off the TV


I'm not hearing conspiracy here, but I wonder where Marko is when he states that MW attracts all the problems to him!


What about Vettels gearbox problem in Silverstone which cost him a certain win and 25 points???

I guess that throws out your red bull conspiracy theory???

one more important statistic.

Vettel vs Webber in qualifying 2013, 9-0...


None of the factors you mention are relevant.

The facts of the situation are this: Vettel is most of the time quicker than Webber however sometimes MW is quicker or at least as quick. This was one of those occasions and since RBR know that MW will not listen to team orders, they were terrified of a Vettel-Webber battle in the latter half of the race. Firstly, they don't want both cars to lose points. Secondly, they don't want Webber finishing ahead of Vettel, taking points away from his WDC.

To say that there was any deliberate sabotage is obviously unfounded with no proof. However, there is a circumstantial fact that Webber has suffered much more 'friendly fire' than any other driver in current F1.

A gearbox failure is a mechanical failure. A pitstop error is 'friendly fire' as is under-fueling the car or making the 'wrong' strategy call, or your own team mate disobeying instructions and fighting you for the lead.


@Ahmed +1


Perfect post Wade Parmino

Webber matched vettel for pace in Germany

RBR clearly knew what was on the way. Webber would have fought and won the German GP easily.

Hence RBR took a safe step to avoid another MULTI 21. The amount of people here who believe otherwise or term the pitstop as unlucky or error are kidding themsleves.

Webber ran vettel very close on many races over the past seasons with the exception of 2011. Ever since Turkey 2010 RBR know how to take webber out of the equation for any race wins away from Vettel.

"A gearbox failure is a mechanical failure. A pitstop error is ‘friendly fire’ as is under-fueling the car or making the ‘wrong’ strategy call, or your own team mate disobeying instructions and fighting you for the lead".

Very well said. I could have not put this better


How about under fuelling Vettel's car in Abu Dhabi 2012 in qualifying, resulting in sending Vettel to the back of the grid??? I guess that fits into your "friendly fire" definition?

I suppose that was intended to make Vettels Championship go down to the wire all the way to Brazil & win by 3 points???

It's simple Webber and the anti Vettel fans, look for any excuse to discredit Vettels accomplishments, including conspiracy theories. Webber has always been a strong qualifier and has beaten his team mates including Rosberg. Webber has been in a Championship winning car for 4 & 1/2 years, and has 9 wins to show against a team mate that will be one of the greats with 30 wins and 3 WDC's (maybe 4 in 2013).

Whilst you discount mechanical failures, consider how many Vettel has suffered in the last 4 years:

-2013 British GP (gearbox)

-2012 European GP (alternator)

-2011 Brazilian GP (mechanical)

-2011 Abu Dhabi GP (tyres)

-2010 Korean GP (engine)

-2010 Australian GP (brakes)

-2010 Bahrain GP (spark plug)

All of the above have been whilst Vettel was leading the race... Now compare that against Webbers mishaps and tell me whom it has cost more points???


Vettel's gearbox was deliberate! They're under illuminati orders and have got make it look realistic! Shh, don't tell anyone!


The mechanics mixed the gearboxes up when fitting them to the car. Seb got Marks box. 🙂



Its a good thing that webber doesn't get Vettels alternators and other mechanical failures, they seem to almost always cost him a win...


that was a certain mechanical favor. webbers issues are always when his team are touching or controlling something in race 😉


Mechanical error on Seb last week. Can happen to anyone.

As Webber was pitting, I just knew it was going to be a 5 second stop, to get him away from Seb, and slot him back in around 5th when it played out. The choreography went a little awry with almost tragic consequences.


Random gearbox failure cannot be compared to pathetic failures affecting one driver only.



Red Bull made certain of Vettels victory today.

Webber is catching Vettel and is in DRS zone to overtake him. So they pit Vettel. And then they look after Webber's car when it comes into the pits. Am surprised that Webber kept on racing. How difficult it must be for him with a team like that. As for who's going to replace him at Red Bull, I wouldn't touch that with a barge pole as they say.



I can absolutely say that every incident involving the crippling of MW's race by the team has been predicted by my 12 year old son minutes before it happens.

And I can think of no reason to disagree with his appraisals of the teams motives post race.


Webber was roughly 1 second behind, then Vettel having pitted for fresh tyres. Webber wouldn't have been in DRS anyway.


Well, I still doubt it. The gap was ~16 seconds, with 17 needed to make the stop.


Actually, the one of the BBC commentators (DC I think) thought otherwise.He was already tipping MW to come out ahead of SV when...


This is getting ridiculous, suggesting someone would risk commiting involuntary manslaughter for a sporting advantage without any proof.


you are looking at it from the wrong point of view. Nobody in their right mind would consider endangering others in the pit lane.I think the aim was to delay MW to allow SV get away. The loose wheel, which was an unforeseen outcome, was the only unplanned event in the sequence.


James, anything wrong with my statement? Still awaiting moderation after 14 hours.


If your going to accuse someone of deliberately not attaching a wheel to a car properly and sending it onto the track which resulted in a F1 pirelli tyre striking a camera man and sending him to hospital I would hope you have some kind of proof. I'm sure the pit crew feel bad enough without you accusing them of doing it on purpose.


Fortunately, I don't have to prove anything cos I'm not accusing anybody of anything. I'm just wondering why this sudden sloppiness from a team renowned for its slick pit stops and why it's happening to only one driver. As for the wheel that struck the poor cameraman, it surely came off because someone didn't do their job well on the day (at least the race stewards agree with me on that)


It is a shame that it only happens to one driver, like gearbox failures at Silverstone.


"after today's foul up in the pits, I am 99.99% convinced that someone at RBR doesn't want MW near the teams pet" if that's not implying that the pit crew did that deliberately than what is it. Yes I completely agree that the wheel came off because someone didn't do their job right however it was clearly a mistake. They claim it was a mistake and there is no evidence to the contrary.


Oh, its the non-accusation accusation. "I wonder if they deliberately endangered the lives of everyone in the pitlane to screw Webber over."

Helmut Marko lost an eye while racing and Adrian Newey was reportedly traumatised by the death of Senna, but these men would risk killing someone? Seems I have more faith in them than several 'fans' today.


.....if u believe in conspiracy theories this one would rank right up there with the best of them 🙂


How did Webber get back from the end of the pitlane back to the Red Bull pit spot. I thought reversing in the pitlane was disallowed.


I know he was pushed back. It used to be illegal to do that unless the rules have changed.


It is illegal to put the car into reverse and drive backwards in the pit lane under its own power. It is not illegal for the crew to push the car backwards manually.


His crew pushed him back.


His pit team pushed him back? He wasn't that far down the pit lane.


Many good drives today. Congrats to Vettel for a good performance, ditto to the Lotus driver. Fernando will be pleased with fourth but probably not too impress with the car competitiveness. Marc


Great race and great win by Vettel in his home soil. He kept calm and hold off the two Lotus.

Maybe Lotus could have had another strategy. Alonso did waht he could. But his car never seemed to find the right pace depite their different strategy. Ferrari is in trouble. I don´t know if they can find an answer to RB.

Mercedes has problems as well. Yesterday they messed up with Rosberg during qualy. And today they did very little or nothing despite Lewis pole. Very good race by McLaren. Maybe the new tyres helped them to have a decent performance. But they did what they have to do in their current situation. Both cars finished withing the points.


Good points anne

yes Ferrari are in deep trouble once again

2012 started with poor car and made some improvements and in 2013 Ferrari seemed to have gone the opposite direction.

Feel very gutted and disappointed as Alonso fan.

34 points is too much at this point considering the development pace or fight between RBR and Ferrari

Lotus had the pace to take victory today away from RBR. Sadly neither grosjean or Kimi was not able manage it.


Alonso drove the fastest lap of the race. Three tenths faster than Kimi. His car can't be slow, then. But he was on the wrong strategy.


Anyone in the top 12 can put a new set of soft tyres in the last few laps of the race could have done the fastest lap. It does not mean they have the faster race car.

Earlier in the season Perez and even Esteban have set the fastest lap in the race. Deos that mean Mclaren and Sauber have the faster race car ?

Get Real. Ferrari were slow and poor when it mattered in the long runs or Race simulation.

Tornillo Amarillo

I disagree, McLaren is a top team that plays gamble as a midfield team, just today worked for getting only 12 points in total.


I think McLaren benefitted from it being a smooth circuit, and also possibly from the combination of the medium and soft tyres. They also got a decent finish in China where the same tyres were used (and which is also quite smooth).


What a race! I was on my feet throughout the race screaming for my Lotus team! What a return to form! Next is Hungary a race to suit them once again. They love the heat and downforce tracks!


After the beautiful winner's trophy at the British GP we were back to the steaming pile of Santander.


+1 there only seems to be a few decent trophies left out there please Santander design a better trophy for each race yes I know you have to show your sponsorship logo but have you heard of the phrase being subtle ?


I'm always staggered by a Spanish bank with money to throw away. They seem to follow the business ethics of Barcelona and Real Madrid. I thought Spain was bankrupt.

Maybe that is why the trophy looks the same..


Excellent post, made me laugh out loud when I read it 🙂


We covered this last year. Apparently the Silverstone trophy is just for show. Driver doesn't get to take it home.

Personally I think that the Santander trophy is F-lame! Come on..it's F1 and they give paper weights? Thanks for sponsoring the GP Santander, but the trophy is tasteless. Imagine that happened at Wimbledon?


My thoughts exactly, what a shame.


It was nice to see flat out racing for the leading pack last ten laps of the race. Despite his tyre, I think Hamilton put up a good fight with Alonso before his second stop.

Conclusion after the race, Vettel need another DNF real quick .....


Am I the only one loving the title of this article? 🙂


So here is where we stand.

Red bull is the strongest car overall, considering various conditions.

Mercedes can only compete when it is cold and on hards. Lotus can be strong when it is hot and on softs. Ferrari is ok in some conditions, but not very competitive overall, lagging behind merc and red bull when cold and behind red bull and lotus when it is hit.

So it is simple, red bull takes the title and vettel takes his 4th. Sad, but what can you do?


It is still a long way to go and RBR are unreliable as witnessed in silverstone. On evidence of 2010 and 2012, you count out Alonso at your peril.


Agree. RBR may also be unreliable with pit stops, so it seems.

Alonso is an amazing driver. Somehow he just manages to stay in touch...


The Lotus was the better car today. They just had 2 drivers holding each other up and a weaker tyre strategy.


I think they call that, whistling in the dark 😉


Even Eric boullier admitted as much, great work by team lotus, I'd reckon they will have the fastest car in hungry again. RBR had the second best car in quali and second best car in the race but Seb drove great.


Red bull was the best car thats why they won. They have the best designer that makes the rest of the teams look dumb. Lotus, ferrari and merc have the odd good race but overall, just like the last three years, red bull has the car to beat.


RBR won today because they had the best driver.


Pretty much everyone agrees the Lotus was the better carin the race here, but people who dislike RBR/Vettel claim RBR had the better car to downtalk Vettel's performance?

Who to believe....

Tornillo Amarillo

Well 33 points for Lotus, but 31 points for the leader Red Bull, Vettel was faultless.

12 points for each Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren. It’s good for Mercedes (still P2).

I think again Ferrari and Alonso did a great mistake here. After the race Alonso said the strategy didn’t work so much…

Hamilton (P5) did pretty well with impressive moves again at the end, and beat Rosberg in qualy and race, even if the former was hold up by the later.


Basically it was another team order for Rosberg to let Hamilton pass. Is that what you wanna see?

Aaron Noronha

They were on different race strategies and they should have instructed Rosberg to let Hamilton overtake much earlier. Fighting Hamilton would hurt Rosberg's tyres too. Being stuck behind Rosberg definitely hurt Hamiltons Race. This wasnt about Team orders to favor a Driver or another like lotus did but more a strategic call to let the team achieve a better result by letting two drivers on different strategies not hold up each other. Btw i am not criticizing Lotus for issuing team orders its quite obvious that Kimi has the only opportunity amongst the lotus driver to catch Vettel just like Alonso in Ferrari. Besides although Romain showed his pace this weekend, he hasnt been really consistent over the entire season.

Laplce Bessel

Yes, if it's the team that you support...and no, if it's the other teams. Lotus did it too by the way.


They should have left them fighting over positions 9 and 10. Seems like a smart move. Why are you not in charge of a race team.


Hamilton did well? He won the pole and he finished in P5. I don´t think that´s good. I don´t blame him, something went wrong.

Tornillo Amarillo

Many poles Anne from Mercedes this year, but race is different challenge and we know that.


Firstly, well done to Vettel to win his home Grand Prix but his team gave him a ‘free’ pass today.

For me the race finished when RBR decided to pit Webber early. RBR pitted Vettel to cover Hamilton, but then, they pitted Webber so he would not jump Vettel. That is where I get annoyed because it lessens Vettel achievements and I lost interest in the race after that since they (RBR) ‘took out’ their main opposition which was Webber!

Webber, for the first time longer than I can remember, actually held Vettel within 0.9-1.1 secs for the opening laps prior the first stop which Vettel normally doesn’t let happen. The lap times show that he would have jumped Vettel which is against RBR ‘protocol’ and they didn’t want another ‘Malaysia’ with both cars coming out together. But wait, this time Webber would have been out in front!

Webber has time and time again had crap strategy calls from RBR and been told to ‘box’ so no conflict comes between the two. Why is it when Webber stopped, ‘we just expected something to happen (a slow stop)’ …and this is the second time that RBR have failed to fit a wheel properly to Webbers car this year…if this happened to Vettel, the team would have internal dissections and people sacked…for Webber, ‘oh well we will look into it’…Webbers comments after Malaysia hold even more strength now.

DOtD – Webber for having to put up with this!.....he must have a strong fortitude.

Lastly, please someone explain to me why the unsafe release of Di Resta was not penalised during the race. This is why people lose faith in officials.

Get well quickly to Paul Allen..!

First time I wanted ‘anyone’ to beat RBR!!

Aaron Noronha

Before every race they decide when their ideal pit stop window is. I.e when the drivers will come in. Obviously this changes based on how the race is transpiring. If the drivers are on similar tyres they will normally come one behind another but since this will result in loss of time sitting behind another car in the pits. They call in the Driver on the next lap. The driver in front always gets the first opportunity to pit first. If Webber was in front he would have been called in first. The same people who criticize Redbull for calling Webber in would have jumped on the opportunity to criticize them again if Hamilton had leapfrogged Webber after the pit stops. If a driver thinks he can get better pace out of his tyres he can take a decision and not pit. Webber went into the pits because he too knew the consequences of staying out longer. What happened was just an accident, it happened a lot last year at Mcleran and at Mercedes too at least to schumacher. So to assume that this is an conspiracy theory seems absurd. Redbull cant afford to let Mercedes or Lotus beat them in the constructors title because there is where they money is.


You are correct on two accounts. i have always agreed that the conspiracy against a driver is absurd. But the amount of 'friendly fire' (mech breakdowns excepted)incidents on Webbers side of the garage is very very poor especially coming from the WCC team. Having wheels come of in 2 out of 9 races for one driver is not acceptable. As the saying goes - Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action...hopefully it will not happen again !

Webber for a change had the pace before the first stop. I just thought RB brought both it too quickly to cover in this instance...hindsight better - most probably

Aaron Noronha

Even if its not acceptable its part of the sport, last year Mclaren were having lot of pit stop issues. And all the issues at Mercedes were always on Micheal side cars. Vettel had 5 or 6 Mechanical failures/issues in 2010(why was his car only failing?) No one seems to mention any conspiracy theory then. All these conspiracy theories hold no water. I have said this a thousand times. If they wanted to get rid of Webber he would have been long gone. And if Webber felt that he is not being treated fairly or given an equal opportunity at Redbull he would have definitely signed for Ferrari last year. True Webber was keeping touch with Vettel until the first pitstop but keeping him out longer would have definitely hurt him more than pitting him later. In fact if Vettel was behind him he too would have been pitted a lap later


yeah webber looked pretty damn annoyed in the interview afterwards and he obviously knows their is some foul play going on in the team. It's damn dirty, dangerous and disgusting. I hate red bull.


RBR made the pit mistake on Vettel in Malaysia (too soon) and told Webber to stay out. Webber bennefitted from that and took the lead, which set the stage for the Gate incident.

Vettel was told that he risked the team 1,2 finish, thus shoul apologize to the team, which he did, for filk's bonus at the end do the year is linked to WCC results. Without evidence, I am not convinced that RBR would help Webber to start well today so that they can sack him in the pit to give the points to other teams.

Also, if I remember correctly, the pit record was set on Webber's car, not Vettels.

Webber said it himself - technically, the team gave equal support. Emotionally... He stopped right there. It was disheartening that the pit wall started to hug each other as soon as Vettel crossed the line, as if Webber weren't driving... Quite chilling, but intentionally giving Webber a bad pit stop? No way.


When the sitituation was reveresed earlier in the year weren't people screaming about them pitting Vettel when he was trailing Webber. Now it is the other way around. Truly amazing the lack of consistency with some people.

To say Vettel recieved a free pass on any win is amazing to claim it on a day when he did not have KERS is being pretty .... well I can't think of what to call it with out sounding crass.

IF Webber or Alonso had won today without KERS this place would be on fire with people posting about what a gritty (Webber)/ dominate and amazing (Alonso) drive it was. Instead we get truly stupid and uninformed conspiracy theorist comments.

I see nothing about Lotus telling their driver to move over for Kimi. Which was the right thing to do at the time.


Since when did vettel not have kers? Clearly a number of times he was seen defending against raikkonen and grosjean and his kers graphic was depleting.


He had a KERS issue during part of the race only, may have been for a few laps, but they got it working again.


They did not pit Webber too early. Webber and Vettel were on similar tyres. They gave Vettel (who was in the lead) the first stop to play it safe, but the timing for Webber's stop would have been perfect, and indeed he would have had a chance of jumping Vettel.

Webber was unlucky today (but mitigated by the safety car), whereas Vettel was unlucky in Britain - these things simply happen. Red Bull still need Webber to score in order to win the constructor's title.

All revved-up

Great performance by Lotus. I thought the Kevlar tyres won't suit them. I was completely wrong.

Ferrari are not so far behind. Just 10 seconds after 60 flat out laps by Vettel.

What happened to Torro Rosso and Force India? Completely beaten by McLaren?

Is this the point where the big budget teams pull away from the rest - due to in season developmemt?

Weak race by Rosberg?

Hulk did well to drag the Sauber into Top10. In contrast to Riccardo. What happened there?


What happened to Torro Rosso and Force India? Completely beaten by McLaren?...

If Ron Dennis were dead, which thankfully he is not, he would be turning in his grave at the prospect of McLaren being pleased they could beat midfielders, such as FI and TR 😉

Seán Craddock

It's kind of funny how Lotus were one of the teams to block the tyre changes and now look where they are!


That was more down to the heat than anything else.

Wait and see where they are on the new spec tyres - they should go well in Hungary but Spa and Monza will be interesting.


Monza will be hot, + DDRS. KR should be on pod in SPA min.


Considering Seb was without KERS Alonso is still much further back than 10 seconds.


It was only a very brief KERS issue, a lap or two at most..

Other teams doubt he had a KERS problem looking at his performance curve


"Ferrari are not so far behind. Just 10 seconds after 60 flat out laps by Vettel."

Don't forget the safety car was out.

All revved-up

True. I forgot about the safety car. I was wrong about Ferrari then.

All revved-up

True. The last 10 laps were so exciting I overlooked the effect of the safety car.

The Ferrari pace is still in question then - at least in my mind. But looking much better than Mercedes when the weather is warm.


What an incredible race to watch. Sebastian resisting pressure from both the lotus drivers and home crowd. He didnt let the dissapointment of losing pole overtake him. Kept his cool and won a well deserved victory.


Lots of rumblings from fans on the Lotus strategy. Kimi looked happy on the podium though, and so am I.

Will this secure his Red Bull drive?


When addressing the media he said his radio was not ok. And he thought he didn´t need his last pit stop.


Some one please help me understand why KR would want to be be a #2 man? Money? Is SV leaving RB? Etc.....


Come on. Kimi in a RB? Sounds awesome. It's not like Kimi is a guy to stay put in one place for a very long time anyways. He'll change teams soon or quit again.


Hi James, do we know what happened to Felipe at turn one? It seemed a very strange incident and reminded me a lot of piquet in Singapore.


Said car was stuck in 5th gear. The broadcast and other sites all covered this. Well the US did. Probably hard for James to through stuff up as he has post race responsibilities. By the way I highly recommend his BBC shows.


His gearbox got locked after he spun.


I think he was unpatience. He overtook Ricciardo at the start. Fine, but the idea was to wait for cars on soft tyres to pit. I think he was trying to keep overtaking. And he just spun. He didn´t crash anyone.


His car was stuck in 5th


Well... then Piquet did a much better job didn't he ?


"MMuuhhhhahhhahhhhahhhhahhhhahhhhahhhhhaaaa" ... That's what I have to say to all those people who actually want Vettel's car to break down .. Webber to take him out... Vettel to have bad luck ... etc.. Let's see people beat him on Merit....

I wonder if anyone noticed the line Vettel was taking during the race. He kept making sure he hit the apex in such a way that it gave him the greatest exit speed without sacrificing tyre life..


on a slightly lighter note, i don't think i can recall seeing a tractor chase an F1 car!..


Cue Benny Hill chase music...

Iwaniwan kemp

Hey James,

What's going on at Ferrari? How much longer do you think will Alonso be happy "to make the best of what was available" and fight for scraps?

I can't see the, pulling enough out of the back this year and with Merc the early (media) favourites, I cant see them truly fighting for consistent wins and pole positions on honest raw pace.

If RBR keep up the pace over the next few years it would be nice for Kimi to join them. Then at least we can get a bit of spice in "who's going to win?"


Ferrari should take some of that budget and hire Seb and Newie and tell Alonso of his new status as Masas replacement.


Haha yeah the truth is on pure pace Alonso is just not fast enough, he lets others fall apart then pick up the pieces and thats not enough these days, drivers like Vettel, Raikkonen, Hamilton, Webber, Rosberg and Hulkenberg are just plain faster than him.


Every time Webber looks to give Vettel a race something goes wrong pit stop or start. Vettel very rarely has these problems, 2 things the team have significant influence over, coincidence?


No, RBR decided that in order to win the WCC, they needed to sabotage its drivers - gave Webber a bad start and Vettel a bad gearbox last week, and sack Webber in the pit this week.


I really don't get the sabotage Webber conspiracy theorists. First I think by now Vettle has proven that he can best Weber without any help. And second people do realize that all the prize money is determined by the WCC not the WDC. reb Bull and every other team on the grid wants a 1-2 finish.


Yes, Red Bull absolutely want a 1-2 finish. So long as Webber is in the number 2 place. They never told Vettel to give the place back to Webber at Malaysia, despite their supposed outrage over Vettel's actions.

In 2010 RBR could have garanteed the WCC and the WDC for Webber by having Vettel let him through to win at the Japanese GP and the Brazilian GP (which made perfect mathematical sense at the time). However, they took an enormous risk of the WDC being taken by Alonso. It turned out well for RBR and Vettel but it could just as easily been lost to Alonso. Red Bull would never take a risk of that magnitude for Mark Webber.

I wish David Coulthard had never retired at the end of 2008. DC would have a championship and MW one as well. Vettel would have struggled in mid-field teams for a few more years and hopefully learned some humility and respect to go with his great talent.


Exactly. The most outstanding fact was that Vettel outperformed Webber in 2008 in the junior car by a huge margin (35:21) when Webber outperformed his team mate by a huge margin (21:8). I wonder what "the sabotage Webber conspiracy theorists" would manufacture to explain that.


Re: Alonso.

What's up with the stop on track after race? Remind me...can he have a new engine or transmission?


Maybe he was low on fuel and he needed fuel sample? I don't know...


My god that cameraman was lucky! I saw it and couldn't believe what happened, we've seen drivers die when struck in the head by a tyre even when they wear helmets this was an ugly incident and was very lucky.

But congratulations to Seb his resilience paid off today as those Lotus's were really fast in the hot conditions, if the gearbox didn't break at Silverstone the championship would already be out of reach but saying all that Vettel is well on his way now good drive also from Button and Kimi.

The Spanish Inquisitor

Vetel wins the race because nobody at Lotus team said “Grosjean, Kimi is faster than you”.


Took the team a long while to give that instruction. That's why they ran out of laps in the end...


Lem they gave it well before Kimi caught up, then they gave it again once a lap or two expired. Maybe this what you mean but I thought I would clarify.


Acctually they were team orders put on Grosjean. It was over the radio.


They actually said "Grjean, Kimi is on a different strategy than you let him bye when he gets to you. DO NOT HOLD HIM UP". They actually said this 2 times.