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Lewis Hamilton drove an imperious race to take his first victory with Mercedes GP at the Hungarian Grand Prix, ahead of Kimi Raikkonen and Sebastian Vettel.

It is his 22nd career win – matching Damon Hill – and a record equalling fourth at the Hungaroring.

It was an entertaining race from start to finish, with an action packed opening lap and a tense duel at the end for second place between Vettel and Raikkonen. Vettel, on much fresher tyres, made a move on Raikkonen in the closing stage but the Finn rebuffed him, firmly and fairly.

Vettel complained on the radio at the time, but afterwards accepted that there was nothing to complain about,

“I told him – but he only laughed!” said Vettel. “In the heat of the moment it was quite tight going into there. I nearly lost the car but that is racing.”

Raikkonen looked disappointed with the result, but this was more due to a difficult qualifying session, which meant he started in sixth place. Had he qualified where Grosjean did in third, he felt a challenge for the win was possible.

“I knew that my tyres were OK and good through the last sector so was pretty sure there was no chance to overtake me into first corner,” said Raikkonen, of the Vettel incident.

“But Turn 2 was a bit more tricky for me all race. He got a run once before and the second time I defended and then moved right. It was a bit tight but I kept him behind.”

Hamilton’s first victory for Mercedes could not have come in a more faultless manner. And the fact that Mercedes has now managed to win a race in intense heat, as well as on a high loading circuit like Silverstone indicates that they can master their tyre management and thus can be competitive anywhere. Red Bull team boss Christian Horner said after the race that his team was taking the challenge from Mercedes very seriously indeed.

There were many strategies at work, but all required the drivers to deal with traffic and it was here that Hamilton excelled; getting himself quickly into clear air to make the most of the new tyres and to keep the temperatures under control.

As his rivals, especially Vettel, found themselves dropped into traffic following their pit-stops and struggled to pass, Hamilton was able to make quick work of the slower cars and allow himself a comfortable advantage throughout the Grand Prix.

Starting from pole, the first glimpse of race victory came following the first set of stops, when Hamilton pitted two laps earlier than Vettel and was able to dispose of a longer running Jenson Button. Vettel could not find a way through with such ease and lost even more time after hitting the back of the McLaren on lap seventeen.

The Red Bull was eventually able to make its way past Button on lap twenty-four as the Briton’s degrading tyres could not keep the train that had now formed behind, including Romain Grosjean and Fernando Alonso.

After pressuring Vettel for second place in the opening phase of the race, Grosjean came under investigation for gaining advantage from leaving the track in two incidents and was handed a drive-through penalty after being deemed to pass Felipe Massa outside of the track limits. This seemed pretty harsh as his move on Massa was the kind of bold move around the outside in a high speed curve which used to be celebrated in the days of Mansell and Senna.

His first incident came prior to that; colliding with Button at the turn six chicane. This incident is to be investigated after the race but could see the Frenchman with a grid penalty heading to Spa, a circuit which is infamous for him last year.

Grosjean came home in sixth place where a fourth place finish or better had been on the cards.

At the front, Hamilton’s ruthless overtaking maneuvers were critical to his victory today. A DRS-pass on Button in to turn one was bettered by an outside pass on Webber around turn three.

When in clear air, he managed his car temperatures and his tyres to maintain an eleven second lead and lift his and Mercedes’ Championship hopes in a much stronger position. He is now within fourteen points of Raikkonen in second place, and sees his team extend their second place lead over Ferrari to twelve points in the Constructors’ Championship.

Red Bull remain clear at the top of the standings with a seventy-one point lead.

That points lead was helped greatly by a strong drive from Mark Webber. Starting in tenth place, the Australian found himself in seventh in the opening laps and brought himself in to contention as he started on the medium tyre.

As the first set of stops were made, Webber took the race lead and was able to have a clear run for the majority of the GP. The level of traffic for Grosjean and Alonso allowed him to make a late stop for the soft tyre and bring the car home in fourth place.

Alonso and Grosjean completed the top six, and will have differing opinions on today’s race. Alonso made the best of the equipment he has at hand to maintain his third place in the Drivers’ Championship, but he didn’t have the pace once again and the Ferrari is now clearly the fourth fastest car.

His team’s inability to match the Red Bull, Lotus and Mercedes race pace will put them under pressure heading in to the second half of the season.

Button, in seventh, and Sergio Perez in ninth were split by the second Ferrari of Felipe Massa. McLaren had improved race pace, but are still some way off where they expect to be. Their points haul today sees them close to within two points of Force India, who had a forgettable race.

Both Adrian Sutil and Paul Di Resta ended the race in the pits after technical failures.

Nico Rosberg also had a difficult day and saw his race come to an end in the closing laps with an engine blow. This handed Pastor Maldonado tenth place and Williams their first point of 2013.

HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX, Budapest, Race, 70 Laps

1. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 70 laps 1hr 32m 09.143s
2. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus +00m 10.9s
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull +00m 12.4s
4. Mark Webber Red Bull +00m 18.0s
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari +00m 31.4s
6. Romain Grosjean Lotus +00m 32.2s
7. Jenson Button McLaren +00m 53.8s
8. Felipe Massa Ferrari +00m 56.4s
9. Sergio Perez McLaren +1 lap
10. Pastor Maldonado Williams +1 lap

11. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber +1 lap
12. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso +1 lap
13. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso +1 lap
14. Giedo van der Garde Caterham +2 laps
15. Charles Pic Caterham +2 laps
16. Jules Bianchi Marussia +3 laps
17. Max Chilton Marussia +3 laps

Rtd Paul di Resta Force India
Rtd Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Rtd Valtteri Bottas Williams
Rtd Esteban Gutierrez Sauber
Rtd Adrian Sutil Force India

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1
Tornillo Amarillo

Great Win from Hamilton, after a dreamed pole - you people BELIEVE!!!!!

The key Vettel having to defend P2 from Grosjean while Hamilton built a gap was as I anticipate. Without clean air Vettel just got P3 at the end.

Thanks also to Lotus this Championship goes with a little smile into the summer. Kimi is a Master!

2

Raikkonen is still the fastest driver in f1- he is back to his Mclaren form undoubtedly. Underestimate him at your peril. Mercedes have the fastest car over 1 lap so it is no surprise that they qualify on pole almost all the time. But Lotus and Red Bull have the race pace advantage and if Lotus fix their qualifying issues, they will be the team to take the fight to Red Bull.

3

I agree that RBR have the race pace advantage, but not so with regards to Lotus. They have won only once this season, whereas Mercedes have now won three times. In reality Lotus lack race pace which is why they try to run longer, slower, stints and make up time with less pit stops.

4

Perfect drive from Lewis

Grosjean same as always rapid pace but no good when there are other cars on the track

Well done jenson solid drive from the package he had, enjoyed seeing seb stuck behind for a long no of laps

Where was PDR?

5

This was like watching the old, exciting, rampant HAM I remember. He showed the entire field the way in overtaking cars to maximise his tyres today - you got the sense that nothing other than a car failure was going to stop him taking this win. He was, by turns, frenetic, patient, aggressive, fair and professional and it was a joy to watch.

6

+1

7

Even though HAM lost me for a few seasons, i must say, when he is 'on it' and driving like that, it is brilliant for everyone! and F1. (i'm not a HAM supporter). His first pass on WEB was fantastic.

Pity but i think the 48? points is a bit much to make up.

8

He's not out of it by any means 48 points behind. On the contrary, Mercedes is now clearly the fastest car (4 poles in a row) and their tyre degradation seems to be no worse than anyone else's (possibly except Lotus, but no worse than Red Bull). The psychological shift will be interesting as they are now clear champiosnhip contenders and can no longer play the underdog card. Hamilton's "surprise" at pole and pre-race predicitions of needing a "miracle" to win were clearly psychological games as he knows he has a great chance to win a world championship here. Sadly Alonso's chances have all but gone, but with Vettel, Raikkonen and Hamilton all well in it it should be a good second half to the season.

9

There are still 10 races remaining. That's only an average of 5 points per race.

They still have to go to Monza which is Red Bull's weakest track. Hamilton could take 20 points off Vettel there alone.

Other helpful factor for Hamilton: Rosberg is more likely to qualify ahead of Vettel than Webber is to Hamilton.

It's game on for a furious end to the season.

10

Lewis said it would take 'a miracle' to win. When he dies, will the Catholic Church will put him forward for canonisation? 😉

11
Tornillo Amarillo

Maybe Button's McLaren was...

12

WELL SAID

13

Very happy for Lewis today ... I was beginning to think it'd be a winless season for him. So he's kept that streak alive (a pole and win in each season).

The penalty for Grosjean seemed harsh, though I didn't see replays of it. It seemed at the time that he had no choice but to leave the track, b/c he was being wedged off by Massa (though alongside, and going faster).

I must say, as a Canadian, that the coverage from TSN was truly pathetic! They seem to go to commercial more often now, and play double the ads as in previous years!! And always at crucial times in the race! Really poor. I hope they give the coverage rights to someone who can do F1 the way it should be done.

14

The US broadcast has lots of commercial too. But found a cure in a spanish channel which broadcasted the whole thing uninterupted. Motivation to learn Spanish, for I had little idea what they were talking about, and they talked over team radios.

15

I'm sure you could watch Spanish tv, but find BBC Radio 5 live for commentary?

16
unF1nnished business

Agreed. TSN has terrible coverage with terrible timing.

17

Agreed, RDS has a superior package.

More technical analysis of the tracks etc. They actually do comparisons of driving styles, lines etc. I've yet to see proper driving line overlaps of drivers with the BBC coverage. However, TSN never delivers the pre-race show, maybe TSN is to blame?

I find DC's pairing with, (is it Ben Edwards?) quite boring, although DC analysis is usually spot on.

I'd do pay-per-view if they could secure Mansell for an episode or two!

18

I have to disagree. I much prefer the BBC feed that TSN uses to Speed. In fact I prefer RDS to Speed. Btw. RDS has a pretty interesting per-race show if you understand French.

As for commercials, they're no more or less than before as the CRTC regulates how many commercials can be shown per hour.

19

Try the French Channel RDS, most of the time they go to commercials at a different time.

Can only hope that Speed get the coverage for next year, although I think it will be re-branded to Fox Sports in Canada next month.

20

I used to live in Canada and thought the old pre-race show with Vic Reuter and Gerry Donaldson was pretty decent. Heard TSN dropped that. Too bad.

21

Was that an American accent on the podium from Hamilton?.

22
Colombia Concalvez

Nonsense!, simply a British accent

23

Who cares how he speaks, how he drives matters and I truly believe he has the quickest single lap pace on the grid

24

Fake accent!

For his girl, I think any of us would speak in mandarin!

25

He spends a lot of time in Hawaii and Florida, not to mention his GF is an American, so may well be the influence of his surroundings.

Excellent drive by Hamilton. I think it was the first time i found myself cheering for him. Great job by Kimi and Webber to finish where they did.

Alan Mcnish not for the first time was involved in a controversial decision. I really dont see how they can justify the penalty for Grosjean. One may just say it was one of those things..but remember that Grosjean is fighting for his career, and the stewards need to be ashamed of the call they took.

Ferrari on the other hand look like they are set to repeat the performance of 2011. Montezemolo must be left wondering what to make of Domenicalli.

26

He spends a lot of time in the States, as a consequence his accent has a bit of twang. So what?

Is there another driver in F1 who's every move is dissected in this way and gets folk all frothy mouthed - no.

Enjoy his driving, he was in a class of his own today.

27

No other driver's every move is dissected in this way; exactly, because he's black. John Watson, Stirling Moss, Jackie Stewart and heaps of other ex drivers and journos sneer about his tattoos, 'bling', facial hair, dog, 'lifestyle', girlfriend; [mod] F1 driver who was friends with George Harrison - acceptable. Friends with P Diddy - they turn their nose up. It's pathetic, but it only seems to offend white people over 50. I hope he keeps offending them, and keeps driving superbly, until they're bitter and invalid.

28

Perceptive comment I think. The Harrison reference is an interesting observation on society.

29
John Ferdinand

Typical victim mentality! Harrison promoted peace & unity - Pdidy is a gangster who promotes class anger and violence - the only way to be cool with the "brothers" is to be a douche bag gangster - if Hamilton followed his fathers example he would get along just fine but he chooses to follow a different group of people - and like Alonso he is one of the most insecure people on the grid - I agree he is lost at a not so young age because he covers it up by trying to be "cool" - its to bad he waste his undeniable talent with an unstable mentality [mod]

30

+1

31

Who cares bout his tattoo and what not he does out of the circuit. I'm not a Lewis fan but once in his race suit he's a pleasure to watch when he blitz the track.

32

I'm 'white and over 50' and he doesnt offend me. In fact i like him when he is racing like that. He has his problems like every other human. Your generalisation is just as bad as the ones you quote.

33

+1,000,000,000,000,000!!!!

34

I picked that up too. I said to my wife that Ive heard Lewis speak 1000's of times but didn't recognise his accent tonight.

35
Thomas, Houston Texas

I don't know what accent that was, it was neither American nor English...

He's a great driver, but he is getting harder & harder to like outside the car.

36

What I really don't like about this guy is the empty speaks. He is just ass liking, had to put on mute when half way through the team radio speak at the end.

People on this forum blames Kimi for his style outside the car, at least when he speaks he means it.

37

I think the opposite actually. I'm warming to him again. I don't know whether he's taken guidance from PR experts or whether he's just grown up, but I think there's far less to not like about him now.

I was pleased to see him win. Finally he's won a winner's trophy he'll get to keep too. All his others are in Woking!

38

Either the champagne was American, or Lewis was just thinking about Nicole. LOL!

At Nürbergring, the German presenter of RTL TV, Kai Ebel who did podium interviews was also presenting SV with an American acent, like "Vetttttel",and later he asked Vettel to say something in German, but Vettel prefered to speak in English, "for everybody to be understood". I asked myself, what was wrong with Kai Ebel? But the funniest part was, when he talked to Bernie Ecclestone, "Now, Bernie, you're in Germany"...Bernie's fearful reaction was funny and sad at the same time.

39
Torchwood Five

Ah-ha. I was beginning to think only the British commentators were doing podium interviews, and wondered why none of the other countries' media were getting a chance.

🙂 Thank you for clearing that up!

40
Colombia Concalvez

''He’s a great driver, but he is getting harder & harder to like outside the car.'' - based upon what exactly ?

41

It seems a bit harsh basing your personal opinion of someone on their accent! Even if it is a bit odd.

42

Some bands I like don't necessarily mean I have to like the people who write the songs. In fairness, I believe Lewis is still finding himself, remember his childhood was probably very sheltered from the influences others are subjected to. I wish for him to be liked and respected for his obvious talent.

43

What exactly do you not like about him?

44

Get a life buddy.... 🙂

45

Because of his accent? *sigh*

46
Tornillo Amarillo

HAM 10 points from RAI, not 14..

but still far away from Vettel.

47

Hamilton doesn't know it yet, but his entry into the "Four" makes things easier for Vettel this year. Odds of Lotus and Ferrari wins just dropped big time.

48

@ Sebee

Hamilton doesn’t know it yet, but his entry into the “Four” makes things easier for Vettel this year...

I would say that depends very much on whether Hamilton's form continues. If, and it's a very big if, Mercedes have sorted their tyre problems then Vettel has got his hands full.

Now tell me that isn't an intriguing thought to take into the summer break 🙂

49

Not necessarily. What if Ham steals the titel?

50

See how ragged VET drives when he's not a second clear at the front? I thought it was very telling when he said he preferred to have RAI as his team mate next year over ALO, he answered that question a little too quickly 🙂

51

Exactly - throwing toys out of the pram again, bumped into Jenson and nearly lost his wing. Moaning about Raikonnen.

Amazing qualifier and race winner from the front, but like Schumacher gets rattled too easily and can't take losing.

Nothing against the guy, but this behaviour I think is why he's tainted. His results are there but people seem to like Webber more.

52

Ricardo, you ask when I have ever heard VET not answer a question straightforwardly? Really? The answer to that is every time it suits him (like all drivers), for example when he ignored team orders earlier in the year he prevaricated and answered all questions in a very obtuse manner until he deicided the game was up and came out and apologied a bit later.

53

JCA, he does not TRUST Fernando!! Holy heck that's rich comming from VET isn't it? What, does he think he might get some of the same treatment he dished out to WEB earlier in the year? lol.

54

He said somethimg like 'I have to be careful here... Kimi has always been straight with me inside and outside the car.' Basically saying he doesn't trust Fernando.

55

When have you known VET, not awnsering a question straightforwardly?

56

VET just had to deal with the same stuff WEB does in most races...there's an awful lot to be said for that clear air. Roles were reversed when WEB was out front and still driving away from them on older tires (until they went off).

57

VET had a lot to deal with today: instruction to loft and coast to avoid overheating, a damaged front wing (>2//10ths a lap), twice coming out behind Button

It was damage limitation and 15 points is a pretty good outcome

58

But after Spa HAM could be 2nd in the standings...

59

Well he finally pulled one out and in spectacular fashion. DotD for sure.

60

Yeah, Hamilton, Webber & Button are the stand out performers. I may give it DoTD to Hamilton but didn't disagree much if someone said Webber or Button.

61

Button DOTD

62

I have to agree, it was a faultless drive by Lewis...but if it hadn't been for his old wingman Button holding up Seb, I think the result would have been different!

Great drive from Jenson...just like Webber, making up 6 places!

63

I think everyone is forgetting one thing.

Hamilton passed Button on the straight due to the Merc's superior top speed - nothing else.

Vettel did not have this advantage in the Bull.

Let's all drop the hype about Hamilton passing Button. He did it with a top speed advantage and DRS - hardly amazing.

Although he did have some excellent overtakes during the GP, those on Button were not.

64

Really? At no stage did anyone look faster on the track, outside the odd lap here or there, and that was whilst Hamilton was just coasting to manage the car.

Vettel had one real shot and that was during the opening few laps and then around the first pit stop. He didn't manage to find a way past then, and once onto the medium tyre it was Hamilton who had the faster car.

65

Do you think Vettel would have easily passed Hamilton? His only real chance was at the start of the race which is normally how he wins by getting the lead early and storming away, but he couldn't keep up. Even when he was in clear air Vettel's pace was not that much quicker and you could see that Hamilton had pace to spare and only used it when he needed.

Vettel has himself for not being good enought o get past Button and Adrian Neweys slow top speed to blame.

66

Woulda Coulda Shoulda - Seem to recall that both Hamilton and Vettel were stuck behind Button after their first round of pitstop - One was about to overtake while one couldn't.

67

I think Lewis would vote button DOTD for holding Vettel off for 14 laps! Made his day easier!

68

sigh, for what? 'good tyre management' and being on the Hungaroring where its near impossible to overtake? HAM overtook where all else failed and did it three times.... Button DOTD? Come on.

69

@Wayne

"HAM overtook where all else failed"

Really Wayne, Hamilton was the only driver to overtake Button?

I suppose that has EVERYTHING to do with Hamilton being amazing and nothing to do with the Mercedes top speed advantage compared to other cars, not least the Bull.

70

Great race by Hamilton & Raikkonen!

71
Seán Craddock

Great race and fair play to Hamilton, absolutely dominated, be interesting to see what happens after the break. This is my least favourite time of the year, massive break until Spa 🙁

Also, did anybody else notice the massive rake angle the Red Bulls were running? Even with a full tank of fuel it was substantially larger than the others

72

That's all about low speed downforce, where as Merc went for more aero efficiency giving them good straight line speed. Nearly gave Red Bull the pole but all else being equal gave Merc the car for the race.

But today was all about Hamilton. He made the opportunities for himself but equally could match any of the others on race pace and was able to just manage the gap and look after the car. When he pushed he set purple sectors throughout the race.

73

I noticed the Red Bull rake indeed. It was really exaggerated, making the car look like it was crouching to do a jump. You've got to give it to Red Bull for aero, they've got that aspect cornered.

74

That was a wonderful drive from Lewis, all his moves were clinically executed to the last dot. I'd say he has now attained the completeness of Alonso and Kimi.

Rosberg was way too aggressive all through and ended up overheating his engine.

I wonder what Lewis win means for the championship. Is it game on?

75

"I’d say he has now attained the completeness of Alonso and Kimi."

Really? Really?? After one race?

C'mon, even Hamilton fans must know what he's like!

He had an excellent race, but he's now just as likely to put his car into the wall or up the chuff of another driver next race!

Consistency is hardly a Hamilton quality!

76

When last did Lewis crash into a wall or an opponent? Can you remember?

It's no use spreading these horrible fads.

77

Not impossible, but Merc will have to pull a decent string of wins out in the second half. Vettel has been remarkably consistent, and he's dominated the run in for three years in a row now.

78

Completeness of Alonso and Kimi!

Got to take umbrage with that comment - much as I love the Iceman + the Bull - when are they going to stick it on pole?

Not complete. One lap pace is lacking. Shame. Because then they'd be invincible...

79

Putting on par RAI's one lap pace to ALO's is going waaay wrong. ALO is on another level in that regard.

Oh, and you forget about the cars. Just if you didn't notice, there is something under F1 drivers butts. It's called car!

And yes, with a car with the absolute pure pace as the merc and Red Bull ALO would be invincible (more so if he is happy with the team and able to work the way he likes). So thanks God his car is way slower, and even so he almost won two of the last three championships!

P.S. Yes, I'm saying that ALO would be world champion with this year Merc!

80

+1.000.000

81

Drivers not sure, constructors is possible

82
Colombia Concalvez

''I’d say he has now attained the completeness of Alonso and Kimi.'' - Nonsense!, Hamilton is way better than both Alonso and Kimi!, what has Alonso done for Ferrari all these years ?, tell me what has Alonso done for Ferrari and then look where Hamilton has taken Mercedes-Benz. Mercedes-Benz are now 2nd in WCC. People like you and the media really need to stop thinking that Alonso is all that, sorry he ain't

83

"Hamilton is way better than both Alonso and Kimi!"

I respect Hamilton as a driver, but his fans seem prone to outbursts of way-over-the-top hyperbole. Any time he sets pole or wins a race, there is an avalanche of comments about how this proves LH is the greatest driver alive, perhaps the greatest driver of all time.

Just this season, Vettel, Alonso and Raikkonon have done better than Hamilton. Both Vettel and Alonso have won more GP's than LH has, and SV has managed it in fewer races. No, he is not "way better" than the other elite drivers.

84

Unfortunately, KBR, if nobody ever pushes back against nonsense statements then they quickly become "conventional wisdom", and "what everybody knows" to be true.

85

My advice: ignore the over-the-toppers.

Letting supporters of a driver impact your perception of that driver (either positive or negative), is silly.

I'll compare it to a particularly loathsome trait among some in Canada (politico's and the general public) towards knee-jerk anti-Americanism. Some are so irrational that they would advocate doing the total opposite to whatever the Americans are doing. That is just plain stupid, and is an indirect surrender of your own sovereignty. If a certain policy is good for the country, the chance that it might be good for the Americans as well shouldn't matter at all.

Back to F1, the fact that some supporters of Lewis go over-the-top shouldn't distract from you maintaining your own reasoned assessment of his abilities as a driver.

86

What? With all due respect Hamilton didn't do much for Mercedes, their recent form is probably the result of the past years of massive investment that is finally paying off (probably Rosberg can second that).

Hamilton was superb today, but to say that he is the author of Merc's improved form this year it's simply far-fetched.

For the record, Alonso put himself and his team in places where they shouldn't have been by nearly winning in 2010 & 2012. Give to ceasar what is caesar's.

87

Do I understand you correctly? In case of Red Bull, it is Newey who designs the car...at least this is what all people say. In case of Ferrari and Merc it is Alonso and Hamilton respectively?

88

@Colombia Concalvez

Maybe Lewis is faster than Kimi and Alonso. But you've got to agree that speed is not all a driver should have in their toolbox. There is also experience and how to employ it.

Experience can only come with age and number of races; areas in which Lewis trails Alonso and Kimi.

Experience exposes itself as willy race craft and that is what we are beginning to see from Lewis, not just banzai moves and electric speed.

Lewis is much younger than Alonso and has also done much fewer races. No matter how you look at it, Alonso is great and has earned the high pedestal that comes with being an F1 sage, Lewis is on his way to that same height.

90

My heart says yes, sadly my head says no. 🙁

91

Agreed, Tim. 🙁

92

Certainly, 48 points with 9 races to go that's doable. No question.

93

He just needs to beat Vettel in each race. There'll be dropped points for both drivers over the rest of the season, but if he simply beats Vettel in each race then he'll have a real shot at the title.

That's a VERY big ask, but it only takes one DNF from Vettel for that dynamic to change completely. We've seen it before that when you put pressure on Vettel he loses his edge and makes the odd mistake, as with any human. Merc look like they could be quick everywhere, Silverstone showed that their aero for high speed is sorted whilst their trick suspension lets them excel in the slow speed corners. And whilst Red Bull should be okay at Spa they traditionally struggle a little in Monza.

The big IF is whether or not Mercedes really are on top of the tyres now or if they've "lucked" into a setup in Hungary. If they're now destined to be able to push as hard as the others on race day then they really do have at least a chance of taking the fight to Red Bull.

94

It will be tough to catch Vettel if Kimi and Fernando can also challenge for the wins, but i think Mercedes can really be the best team of 2nd part of the season now. So in a way, it is game on.

If they will have the best engine next year (as everybody is saying), they will be unstoppable in 2014.

95

Grosjean and Vettel drove really badly. Both are not the best overtakers and it almost seemed like they'd conspired to do Jenson bodily harm with the clumsy moves they made on him.

96

Jeez, anti Vettel probably.

Vettel is a pretty good overtaker actually, he showed that enough times,

he just doesn't need to do it that much.

His problem yesterday was that the RB got to hot when driving close behind another car, add Hungaroring and its all clear why he had a hard time to pass Button.

97

I suspect their cars lacked straight line speed and as a consequence they had to make more desperate attempts at overtakes. Having said that, I thought Grosjean was hard done by with the drive through for his overtake on Massa. At the time the commentators were in raptures and the fact he strayed off the track by a few centimetres was a bit of a shame.

98

Well, as Martin Brundle is fond of saying, "You can't be a little bit pregnant."

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It's the old letter of the law thing. By the letter of the law Grosjean should have been penalised but at the same time it did feel a bit harsh. I think my objection was more in context with the circuit: because it is dusty and twisty we were seeing cars understeer onto the run-off with all four wheels off the track on repeated occasions and yet nothing being done about it. So in that context I felt Grosjean should have been given the benefit of the doubt.

That said, I think Brundle also mentioned that the stewards tend to only penalise you if you overtake going off the track or if you set a purple sector while doing it and I guess you do have to draw the line somewhere because if you had eight drivers serving drive-throughs or whatever it would get a bit silly. If its any consolation for Grosjean fans, I think he would have finished 6th anyway once you figure in the penalty for the Button incident (for which, I have to sadly conclude, he was at fault).

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Equally the stewards often ignore that rule. How many pole laps have we seen from Vettel where he has all four wheels off track, for example.

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Despite the tone of the article Grosjean drove well and I cannot see how he was at fault in the incident with Button. He was ahead and Button simply kept his foot in, which he shouldn't have done, what was Grojean supposed to do back out completely even though he had the line for the chicane and was ahead? Brundles commentary on Sky was disgraceful, once again, even David Croft tried to offer a divergent opinion.

While the incident with Massa, though outside the rules, was purely racing and the penalty incurred was a real pity. Of all the new drivers to F1 in recent seasons, Perez, Maldonado, Di Resta, Grosjean is in my opinion, despite the many incidents, head and shoulders above them and today as in Germany looked like a very serious racing driver.

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Almost fell off my chair!!completely agree,and have said as much on another sight how disgraceful and disrespectful brundle was to Grogean and his block pass on Button,it was Button that ran into the Lotus,found Crofts lame commentary embarrassing biased and behind most of the action.

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Torchwood Five

Something interesting I noticed on Sky, was that in post-race interview, Alonso tried to claim that Grosjean had been reckless and clumsy at the start, however we had literally just seen Grosjean's start with Anthony Davidson on the Skypad, as a good example of Romain's accuracy and spatial awareness, to compare with later incidents.

Sorry, for me, Fernando was talking rubbish.

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This is a funny post, given that Grosjean himself said he deserved the penalty he got for nearly banging Jenson of the road.

I did think the Massa incident penalty was a bit harsh...but the boy's got form.

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PLease cheack again. After the contact with Button, Grosjean cut the chicane. So i think that was the main reason.

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+1 the penalty was harsh.

At least the BBC recognised him as getting it together now.

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They could have remained side by side on entry to the corner, and Grosjean could basically have stopped Button from turning in, essentially forcing the overtake. Instead, while they were still heading straight, they touched. Button had nowhere to go on the left, it was Grosjean who made contact. At first I thought maybe he'd locked the fronts a bit and the car turned towards Button, but on replay it seemed more just like an unnecessary move. From memory though, the investigation isn't for the contact, it's for skipping the chicane and taking the advantage. On that count, he didn't clearly have the position at that point, and he did indeed skip the chicane and just kept going.

That said, I'm no Grosjean hater, and I actually quite like him. A lot of his "incidents" haven't been his fault at all, despite everyone blaming him regardless.

The move on Massa I thought was perfectly fine. Drivers run off the track for no good reason (aside from better exit speed, which isn't a valid reason) all the time without penalty. Do it while you're overtaking though and for some reason suddenly it becomes an advantage. If anything, he did have a good reason for running a little wide, given that he was side by side with Massa through a high speed corner, which could have ended in disaster (and then all the Grosjean haters would have blamed him for that).

If they're going to apply the rules regarding running off the track, they should do it consistently. At the moment it seems like you can just run off where ever you want as long as you don't do it during an overtake.

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The important point is whether you have gained an advantage from leaving the track. Clearly if you pass another car while off the track that is an advantage. You can normally save a penalty if you reverse the advantage by giving the position back.

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When Hamilton went off track and passed Rosberg in Bahrain in 2012 the stewards ruled that 1) Rosberg began his move before Hamilton was alongside, and moved in a constant manner, 2) that Hamilton was alongside before going off track, and that the difference in car speeds (HAM faster) made it hard for ROS to know where HAM was. HAM was allowed to pass off-track (b/c he was forced off), and ROS wasn't penalised b/c he had been consistent with his moves.

Today Grosjean was alongside Massa, and just the simple physics of that corner dragged them both to the edge. If Grosjean had kept inside the track, there would've been contact.

What I worry about is what signal this sends the drivers, as to what they can get away with if they're in front defending against an overtake into a corner. ANY overtake needs some reasonable compliance from the overtakee to happen. This penalty sends the message that it pays to be less compliant during an attempted pass.

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Great point!

I fully believe Hamilton should have been penalised at Bahrain in 2012.

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Absolutely I agree, Both the incidents should have been deemed as racing incidents...

How come Hamilton's move on Webber a legitimate move, they entered corner side by side and webber was forced off the track by Hamilton. Shouldn't Hamilton be leaving a car's width there?Didn't he gain advantage by forcing webber off track?

Brundle always seems to praise/side by Hamilton/Button/McLaren team in debatable incidents don't know why...

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Because Hamilton kept to the racing line and never left the track, he closed the door on Webber and Webber chose to drive around the outside and ran out of room. The incident with Button was that it was in the braking zone where you can only make one clear move, Grosjean drifted into button during braking which can be dangerous. And the penalty on the move on Massa was so harsh as cars were going over the line all race if they werent over taking, but it is in the rules that you have to keep within the constraints of the race track.

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+1

I saw a great, fair, hard racer; the best package on the grid, unfairly penalized.

The two penalties are inconsistent, because he was in reverse situation either time, but got both penalties.

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Regarding Button and Grosjean and Button it's not true, Grosjean barged in a forced Button almost off the track and considering he struggled to keep it on the track showed how lost he was. Button STILL made that turn despite the contact.

In a similar incident in Spa a few years ago Lewis Hamilton was punished for pulling the move and making contact with Kobayashi

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You don't think any of those other new drivers would do better than Grosjean if they were in the Lotus instead of him? I'm quite confident that Di Resta and Perez would; Maldonado could qualify well in it, but could he bring it home more times than Romain's managed?

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Grosjean was supposed to keep more to the right to give Button room to be on track. So that was clearly his fault.

However his penalty was for the Massa incident and that was really stupid and inconsistent from the stewards. How many Vettel pole laps have we seen with him putting all 4 wheels off track, and most of the drivers have pulled a move at some point with a similar overstepping of the track boundaries.

Sure there is a rule there that I believe should be enforced. But it should be enforced consistently for all, not used to arbitrarily punish individual moves with certain drivers.

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The limitations of the Red Bull car were on display today. When it's in front it's fine, but if for some reason they end up in traffic the lack of raw speed makes it very difficult to execute passes, especially on a track like this one.

Ferrari looked poor, again. I'm starting to think Raikkonen or even Hamilton will end up being Vettel's main competition.

Incredibly harsh penalty on Grosjean made Alonso look sightly better than he actually was. It's almost like there is one set of rules for some drivers and a different set for others ...

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The limitation of the Red Bull is that all it's bits are packed too tightly under it's skin. It's the fastest car out there but when the weather gets a little too hot the KERS starts failing and the drivers have to start coasting and working to keep the car cooled down. Should be an interesting summer.

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@ Grosjean penalty had virtually no effect on alonso's race

Unnecessary and usual DIG at alonso

Grosjean displayed his madness once again when it was not required at all and deservedly got the penalty.

If anything Grosjean Affected alonso's WDC. Remember SPA 2012 ?

Alonso drove as well as he could and finished 5TH in a rubbish car. BRAVO alonso...

Get real Steve.S

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It is not just the set up. The RB is, like so many of Newey's designs, very tightly packaged. Running in clear air it is fine but the moment they are behind another they suffer from much reduced cooling. If you remember Vettel was told to keep out of the slipstream if the car ahead. That forced him to run off line and suffer a double whammy - running off line at Hungary meant running over marbles.

That and excellent driving from Button kept him behind long enough to let Lewis build a decent lead.

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Vettel's inability to overtake is what did him in today.

He lacks F1's gritty trench/strategy skills and can generally only drive away from the front.

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Hmmmm! The top speed excuse again! Ok, lets dismantle that argument.

In Hungary, the straights are very short, it is a tight, twisty track where high top speeds don't matter much (in fact, they don't make sense). Here are a few points:

1. The tightness of the track is such that cars can stick much closer to the car ahead than they normally can. This gives DRS a much higher impact than normal.

2. Vettel never hit the rev limiter.

3. Kimi's Lotus has the same low top speed characteristics as the Red Bull (as does the 2013 Merc, surprisingly). So Vettel didn't need high speed to overtake Kimi. YET, lap after lap after frustrating lap, Vettel couldn't pass Kimi in a Lotus wearing knackered boots.

4. Overtaking was entirely possible without high top speeds and outside of the straights as shown by Lewis two passes on Webber which occurred entirely within a corner (same was shown by Alonso off the start line into the second corner).

5. Etc 🙂

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Hmm! James, I look forward to it, I'm sure we'll have a great argument.

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The Strategy report will disprove your theory tomorrow.

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Seb has made plenty of good overtakes the last two years. He gets stuck behind cars with better top speed, as Hamilton did behind Schumi at Monza when Schumi chopped him a couple of times. The Red Bull is fast in the corners, but lose out when running in dirty air, where you need high top speed to get next to the guy in front.

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It was their lack of straight-line speed (car design philosophy), and being behind on this particular track, that cost them. If Vettel was on pole, he would've scampered away, breaking DRS in the last two sectors, and then would've been gone.

I used to doubt Vettel's overtaking prowess awhile back; I don't anymore. I think Hamilton is the best overtaker out there, but Vettel and Alonso are pretty damn good too.

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I'm still in disbelieve that a clear follower of F1, as I assume you to be, saw the Budapest 2012 race! No? Look at it: Vettel can pass, Vettel can drive, VERY GRITTY!

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I agree with this. Time and time again he comes up with a stupid move when he is in traffic. He could have lost a load of points today running in to Button. Yes, he suffers sometimes with the lack of top speed of the Red Bull but so does Raikkonen with Lotus and he hardly ever touches anybody.

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Spinodontosaurus

Vettel is one of the sharpest racers on the entire grid. The Red Bull simply has no straight line speed. They suffer from this all the time, so it doesn't come as a surprise.

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Unnecessary penalty for Grosjean, took him completely out of the equation which spoilt the race a bit imo.

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Red Bull still looks plenty good, eh?

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Unfortunately yes

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Although Hamilton was amazing today I don´t see him or anyone else as a real challenge to Vettel. Vettel had problems with his car today but still he finished in P3. And Webber starting from P10 finished in P4. It was a better weekend for RB than for Hamilton and Mercedes because Rosberg had issues from the start. And because it was Lewis first win. He is still 4th in the drivers championship. I´m afraid it´s too late.

Lotus, I don´t know. Grosjean for one reason or another is a problem. And Kimi although always in the hunt he hasn´t won a race since Australia.

Alonso seems like he gave up the fight.He doesn´t look very motivated. And the car is not in very good shape.

I wish I could be wrong. But right now I think that´s the situation.

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@ ANNE

Alonso could have not drove any better with Ferrari in hungary.

I never doubt Alonso's motivation or commitment towards his drive. NO matter what car he drives for or what ever the situation is. Today 5TH place does not look any bad with some quickest cars around him.

Sadly Ferrari cannot and will not improve the CAR which i am sure about.

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I was a bit disappointed to day with Ferdy. He didn't look too racy. Maybe he needs the break now to come out stronger? Surely I do hope so.

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"but if for some reason they end up in traffic the lack of raw speed"

They lack straight line speed, their car is a complete compromise, more downforce less straight line speed. So whilst Lewis just hit DRS and KERS to pass Button, Vettel doing the same thing was some 15kmh slower in a straight line. That's the difference between a pass and not getting a chance. Likewise we saw the Lotus fairly slow in a straight line too. It's not such an issue when you're leading, but when you're not it's a major problem.

As an example Vettel behind Hamilton on the opening laps:

VET + KERS + DRS + Slipstream= 292kmh.

HAM + KERS no DRS or Slipstream = 290kmh.

The Red Bull is one of those cars that's fairly consistently fast, but is probably the hardest car to overtake with in the title challengers. Not having that ability to hit a couple of buttons and overtake has cost them numerous times. It means that both RBR drivers have to get brave on brakes or overtake out of corners where people don't expect it.

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I hope you guys don't mind me putting in a link, its to avoid making a double post; I made some arguments that lay last races top speed excuse to rest. Its lower down this page, here (you might need to scroll up or down a bit):

http://jaonf1.wpengine.com/2013/07/hamilton-takes-first-mercedes-win-with-commanding-drive-in-hungary/#comment-782690

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Well said Paul...it's a well known fact that Red Bull go for more corner speed at the expense of straight line speed..also as they're slightly shorter geared they tend to accelerate slightly faster as well.

Quade...it's not a theory...it's a fact. Garry Anderson has questioned their extreme set-up choice a number of times as it has given them problems before.

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Torchwood Five

@Matt H

One of the great things about seeing one of the older Classic F1 races recently, was seeing some of the names I know today, racing, and in the case of Gary Anderson, whom till then I only knew as the "tv pundit" that you describe, the race commentator referring to the car that he had designed taking part in the race - that is his qualification for being able to comment on these things.

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@ Paul granted Abu Dhabi was an example but only red bull know there limitation and saying they should longer gear or less drag would make them potentially win is not correct. These so called simple changes affect tyre temp corner speed etc and shedding that downforce for top speed could drop them further back in lap time. Point being its all ifs and buts ham did the better job vettel rescued some poor driving (ie wing collision) with a solid points haul red bull win both titles more examples of the run and hide working than the one you were initially proposing

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@Matt H

There is no doubt that if you can make the fastest car, top speed isn't so much of an issue. RBR have proved this, but if you're not in clean air, the whole plan falls apart a bit.

It spoke volumes about the RBR setup that in Abu Dhabi last year after Vettel was put on the back of the grid they altered the car setup drastically to 'allow' overtaking - and it worked.

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And that's why Garry Anderson is a tv pundit and Red Bull are multiple world champions ! Who is Garry Anderson to say what is the best strategy? If he was that good he would be working for Red Bull. Fact is that Red Bull virtually always win over the last few years, I'm a McLaren fan but even I acknowledge they get it right. Your never gonna win every race but they come close to it. That so called wrong strategy had helped with the consistent driving of Vettel a number of races and got webber up there too

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This is a rubbish theory. If Red Bull can get around the track faster than others whilst lacking a high top speed, it means they are much faster than others in the corners... AND its in the corners that most overtaking is done. Proof? Watch any F1 race.

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No, not true. Overtaking is done at the end of straights in the braking zone and quite a lot of overtakes are done with the DRS along the straights. Overtakes in corners are fairly rare as there is often not space and when there is they are risky - which is why we like watching them! There have been more corner overtakes than usual in the last year or so but I would put this down to the tyres effect more than anything.

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'Watch any F1 race' where you will hear the commentators talking about the Red Bulls slow straight line spead making it hard to overtake. Most overtakes are at the corner after a long straight or shortly thereafter. So being fast on the straight allows you to be close enough behind the car in front to make a dive inside or make the car infront brake too late, allowing you to undercut them into the next corner.

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It's not a theory, neither is it rubbish. It's factual, Red Bull make a car to be quick on clean air over a lap, thus top speed is massively compromised - that's the Newey way!

As for overtakes happening in corners? That's just not true. Most moves in F1 happen at the end of the longest straight, as thats where DRS + Slipstream are most prominent.

With regards driver overtaking skill, see Hamilton vs Schumacher at Monza. Lewis' car was geared too short, so even with DRS & Slipstream he struggled for laps to pass Schumacher. That's what it's like trying to pass a faster car in a straight line. Also see Alonso vs Petrov in the 2010 title battle, same thing.

I guess neither of these guys can overtake then?

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So why do they use DRS?

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The limitations of the other cars are on display most other days. The Red Bull was still the fastest car today (best two race laps were Webber's and Vettel's), but they suffered from traffic (Seb) or grid position (Webber).

Hamilton should send a big Thank You to Button for allowing him to create that gap after the first round of stops.

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No doubt Jenson holding up Seb was a bonus for Lewis, wonder if Jenson new he was doing his old team mate a favour, but at no time did it look like Seb was capable of passing Lewis on track and since the Merc pit stops went without a hitch he probably would not have passed in the pits either.

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The Red Bull was not "the fastest car today". The "fastest car today" was the one which made if from start to finish in the least amount of time. That was the Mercedes.

It's strange, but I don't recall anyone ever saying that "Seb won in not the fastest car" when he wins a race while a non RB car takes fastest lap. Which happened at the German GP, so it's not like its ancient history. When Vettel wins (whether a pole, a race, or a title) that is taken as proof positive that his car is "the fastest". You can't make up new rules whenever you feel like it.

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"If Seb had taken pole as he likely should’ve.."

How has this bizarre myth taken root? The Merc's finished one-two in Q1 and Q2, and have been the fastest cars in qualifying all season long. Yet Lewis taking another very predicable pole position is a sign that he performed a miracle and/or Seb screwed up?

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I just base that on the fact that whenever both were in clear air, Vettel was able to reduce the gap to Hamilton. Sure, some of that was Hamilton managing the gap having a 12-15 sec lead. If Vettel had got past Button early on, without incurring any front-wing damage, it would have been a totally different race.

If Seb had taken pole as he likely should've, he would've scampered away to as easy a win as Hamilton had today.

Either way, I would never say the Red Bull was clearly faster today; it wasn't. The Red Bull and the Merc were very close on race pace, but I'd say the Red Bull was slightly faster.

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traffic ! ha !! i thought this was a race track <besides hamilton was managing the gap and could have extended the 12 sec gap easily ,even his team was telling him go half a sec slower

so red bull should thank hamilton for going slower or the gap might have been half a minute

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HAM drove well, but he should send BUT a thank you card.

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Torchwood Five

Maybe for bothering to defend his spot at all. Lewis passed Jenson fair and square, sure, but so far this season, Jenson hasn't made much attempt to stop anyone passing him, even when he has asked on the radio if he should defend.

This race, Button held someone behind him for over ten laps. Worth a beer, a card, a slap on the back the next time they do breakfast - why not?

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thank you to button for what even if seb had pass button hamilton would have pull out a gap ,he did at the start and all through the race was managing the gap

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Colombia Concalvez

Why ?, because Vettel could not overtake Button while Hamilton could ?

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Why? Button drove his race (and professionally as usual)- it's not like he let Hamilton pas and kept Vettel back on purpose.

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To be fair, LH had the pace to stay in front of SV, if anyone should send JB a thank you card, it should be KR 🙂

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Absolutely true. Yes KIM benefitted more than HAM. I can't see Seb overtaking Ham in this race.

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Yeah, that Redbull still looks superfast.

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How? Would he send a thank you card to Webber too? The overtake on Button was fair and square! If Vettel was unable to pull the same overtake on Button then it's part of the race! Hamilton drove well and executed some nice overtakes that earn him the win, so don't take it away from him.

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Thank Jenson for what? if i may ask. Should he thank Webber and Kimi too ? Blimey! he may as well thank all the drivers who could not be easily overtaken by Seb. Lewis took his chances and made his tyres last for good measure. Seb could not (with Kimi and button). This is Racing. No one owes anybody gratitude. I am sorry, no thank you cards for anyone.

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seriously......in hungary, beside the pole sitter, 3 stoppers gonna cause the rest traffic issues.

Lesson learned.

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It's a good thing Rosberg isn't Australian! That's his third mechanical DNF of the season to none for Hamilton.

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I am beginning to wonder if Rosberg is fast but hard on the kit in doing it.

He had an advantage over his teammate in knowing the Merc and its systems and seemed to be slightly better at managing the old tyres than Hamilton but those slight advantage may have gone now and in realising that Nico may have been trying too hard after seeing the qualifying gap?

He is a very good driver and will continue to win but perhaps it will be all up or all down in this season at least.

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He was following other cars more, so things got hot. HAM managed to find clear air, either through strategy or through some bold overtakes!

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must have mixed up the tyres at Silverstone and Bahrain then?

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Come on in those 3 dnf hamilton was leading rosberg easily, bud luck is leading the brit gp your tyre going bang putting you at the back of the grid, good luck is inheriting the lead in the brit gp, your tyre about to go the way of your teamates a saftey car coming out just before you pass the pit entrance, sorry I allmost forgot having a 5 place grid penalty for a broken gearbox, when your tyre gos pop again, its not been all plain sailing for hamilton this year

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Hamilton's tyre blowout at the British gp handed Nico the win

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Maybe he has to drive the car 'harder' to keep up !

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To be fair, Hamilton was also running out front in clean air for most of the race, whereas Rosberg was battling for positions. Even then, they were telling Hamilton to back off later in the race.

What about Schumi last year? Were they favouring Rosberg then, with the ridiculous string of bad luck Schumi went through?

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They told Rosberg to back off too, but it seems he didn't listen. He kept his nose right in Massa's tail gases, about 0.3 sec behind lap after lap until his engine could take the torture no more.

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I'm sure that if you compare today's pitstop times RBR conspired to make sure MW finished behind SV... or maybe they 'unintentionally' reduced MW's KERS efficiency... there _has_ to be some applicable exception of Occam's Razor here...

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Costing him a max 4 pts, wow. Rosberg screwed up his own race at the start, after having a great start, by being a bit too greedy. He turned in when Massa was there, which sent him tumbling down the order, then touched with Maldonado a few corners later.

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I'm a Ferrari fan but been massively impressed by Lewis Hamilton this last 2-3 races. For his first year in a new car he is doing well. There is no way there is 2 world championships differences in Sebastian and Lewis ni matter how good seb is.

On a different point Romains penalty for the massa move was a joke. But he should of got a penalty for banging into button. F1 should follow moto gps lead with the Marquez pass on Rossi into the cork screw. Moves that get people excited shouldn't be penalised.

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"There is no way there is 2 world championships differences in Sebastian and Lewis ni matter how good seb is."

That's a pointless way of looking at things. Hulkenberg has zero wins, Hamilton has 30. Is Hamilton 30 times better than Hulkenberg?

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Sorry Steve, maths says Hamilton's infinity times better than Hulk!

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VET has 30 wins, HAM has 22, and of course neither are 30x better than HUL. I rate HUL, as I rate RIC.

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I agree about Grosjean, especially as Massa whacked him too. That penalty was absolutely ridiculous.

As for Lewis, he is really good, his greatest error was coming into Alonso's team and not accepting to be number two; you can't have two bulls in the same pen. So he had Alonso's fans baying for his blood and saying unfair things all over the press and internet (both men have since made up, and fans on both sides have begrudgingly accepted the tremendous talents of both men).

These days though, Vettel fans (few as they are) have joined the badmouth bandwagon; something that's rather puzzling, as Vettel is not Lewis team mate (nor has he ever been).

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Quade, I agree with a lot of what you say in this post except about Lewis's greatest error coming into Alonso's team & not accepting No.2 status??

1/ It wasn't Alonso's team...if anything, due to McLaren involvement early in his career it was Lewis's team.

2/ McLaren have never run a 'one driver' team...which is why I've always liked them.

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I think Vettel fans fear Lewis because they know, their man is an illegitimate heir to the throne.

So just throw anything you can find at the real prince.

The inevitability of Vettel being exposed (probably later than sooner) stares them in the face.

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Spinodontosaurus

All the top drivers know that Vettel is one of the best, Alonso has called him the best as recently as 2011, and resort to playing mind games as a result.

Vettel can overtake perfectly well. If you looked out for evidence to prove this as much as you look for evidence to disprove it, you would understand.

I suppose Hamilton's inability to overtake Vettel in Texas 2012 without the aid of traffic means he too "can't overtake"? Let's just ignore the instances where he has proven this wrong; you seem to do the same with Vettel, so it's only fair.

...and using a tyre test to try and 'prove' Vettel is not fast? Right...

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I hear Alonso might be joining Redbull.

Game-over for Vettel....

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Kimi is angling for a Red Bull seat, so he might say a strange thing or two. That's life.

All the top drivers, know who else top of the shelf, so if they say Vettel isn't (and we observe the same), then he isn't.

Do you know that figures released by Red Bull from the Young Drivers Test, Ricciardo was faster than Vettel on the same fuel load? That's just one of those interesting titbits that pop up now and again to prove the point ;just as it took Vettel 12 laps to overtake Jenson after his tyres hit the cliff (and after Vettel had crashed into him in what has become a Vettel tradition).

How can a driver who can't overtake be called great?

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Spinodontosaurus

I think it is most likely the other way around, hence why fans of Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton constantly hate on and diminish the achievements of Vettel as much as possible.

Of those drivers, only Kimi has accepted Vettel as great in recent times, Hamilton and Alonso are to busy trying to play mind games (funny that Alonso was singing a different song back in 2011: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/15033509 "the best team, the best driver, the best package")

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I believe Lewis found his sweet spot as a driver last year and carried it to Mercedes. He is just like Fernando and Kimi every bit as good or better than Seb-always has been- people are just haters or judge him personally.

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Looks like you hate Seb, hami is good but Seb is better youngest WC x 3. Mercedes has the fastest car 7 out of 10 poles. Hamilton just now learnt how to ride with more fuel on board.

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The fastest car changes from week to week. Are you seriously suggesting that the car that gets pole is always the fastest race car? Years of watching F1 prove that to be incorrect.

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Alexander Supertramp

Good observation. A lot of people seem to forget how great he was last year.. How many times did I have to hear that he's busy with other things than racing and that he hasn't performed the way he should. 2012/2013 Hamilton would kick 2007-2009 Hamilton's behind very hard!

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+1

They are very obsessed with his girlfriend too.

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I'm not sure who is happier - Hamilton or Williams (scoring their first point of the season).

Hamilton's ability to overtake is a joy to watch. It's probably got to do with the Mercedes' ability to put power down through its rear tyres, but still - a superb performance.

Lotus again pulled off a one stop less strategy and Kimi converted it into second place; skillfully holding off Vettel/RB.

In stark contrast to Grosjean who again threw away valuable points clumsily bumping into Button.

Webber - what a wonderful recovery drive.

What happened to Ricciardo? Qualified in the top 10 and again scored less points than JEV?

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STR gave him a rubbish strategy, put him on a two stopper of all things. Ricciardo was a pitstop plus ahead of Vergne and started losing up to 3/4 seconds a lap yet STR still kept him out. Lost like 12 seconds in 4 laps...should have finished in front of Hulkenburg. To give you an idea, he spent more laps on the last set of tires than Kimi did.

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The upside is that Ricciardo will be driving a Red Bull car next year.

Why? Horner states that Raikkonen in a RB seat is speculation.

Also, Kimi states that his decision might seem stupid.

The deal is done with Dan. You heard it here first.

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Thanks for the info. I didn't manage to figure out what happened at TR from the TV coverage.

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Grosjean didn't lose any points from the Button incident. He was given a 20 second post-race penalty... which didn't affect his position.

His drive through was for the Massa overtake, and IMO the penalty was rubbish. Enforce the rules, or don't enforce the rules. One way or the other, not just where you feel like enforcing them.

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Agreed. I was surprised the drive through was for the Massa overtake. Even Massa saw nothing wrong.

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Alonso made the best of the equipment he has at hand to maintain his third place in the Drivers’ Championship

He was in second place before this race ....

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If Ferrari doesn't act fast, he might soon be 4th in the championship.

Rumour is that his management has begun secret meeting with Red Bull.

When BBC asked Vettel what he though about having Alonso as teammate, a look of absolute fear and bewilderment seized his face! After a second or two to catch his breath, he replied that he preferred Kimi! LOL!!!

Who doesn't fear Alonso as teammate?

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That´s just nonesense. Last year the reports were that Vettel was going to Ferrari. And Alonso was against it. Now the media says Alonso wants to go to RB to be with Vettel.

It doesn´t add up. Alonso´s manager is also Carlos Sainz manager. And the chat with Horner was about Sainz.

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Lewis never feared him! - despite being a rookie.

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No reason for HAM to fear ANY driver-teammate, especially when his mentor Rod Dennis is the team boss.

HAM have finished each and every year, since 2010, BEHIND ALO in the standings - despite having a faster package each and every year. He is behind this year as well. "Analyze that!"

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Nonsense, just because Alonso's manager, who happens to manage some of Red Bull junior drivers, talks to Red Bull does not mean Alonso is even contemplating to move there. I don't know where you get this "look of absolute fear" from, he was just saying he respects Kimi on and off the track and sees working with him to be easier, unlike with Alonso, who he apparently respects only on the track (at least that's the innuendo I got from his answer).

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I watched the BBC Vettel interview. There was no "look of fear". It was more a "how do I give a serious answer to this baseless speculative question" look as he thought about it. And I thought Vettel's response composed on the spot, was superior to many corporate communications executives. This young man has a good brain.

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Lewis. I am serious.

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hamilton

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Who doesn't see by now that, despite his inarguable talent, ALO is a cancer to every team he is on? RBR would be wise to leave him be.

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Thank you moderator for maintaining standards on this website. There are plenty of other forums catering for nonsensical comments.

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10: RAOFL

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BASICally spot on.

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Used Button to hold up Vettel??? Absolute nonsense Vettel had the same opportunity to get past but took 12 laps to do it... The whole tone of your post is embarrassing to suggest it was rigged is ridiculous please leave your silly biased comments off this site as it is for REAL F1 fans who have knowledge of the sport

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i guess you weren't watching the race hamilton was miles ahead of roman before the DTP

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@Blue Persuasion

You are so "right" and your words are so "wise."

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Very good. +1

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After Pit, Lewis was behind Button, same as Vettel and other, but he can make the good move on Button while Vettel can't, so whose fault.

When Grsjean got the penalty, Lewis already mile ahead.

What a plan?

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In the words of John McEnroe:

You cannot be serious!

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Why are comments like these allowed to be published? This is far, far below the standard of discourse on this website.

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sour grapes anyone?

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He used Button to hold up Vettel? Wow.

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Maybe Vettel should learn to pass like Hamilton does.

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I'm sure there has to be a Gribowsky angle here somewhere... maybe Bernie paid off all the other teams to let Mercedes win, to create a sideshow/diversion away from his legal troubles? Who's with me here? Anyone? 😉

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Get a grip, man.

(why is this sort of comment even allowed on this website?)

P.S. I'm not a Hamilton fan.

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Why indeed???

P.S. I am a Lewis Hamilton fan.

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In fairness, his comment is not any more out there than all the conspiracy theories about Helmut Marko sabotaging Webbers car in every race.

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What happened to Ferrari ????

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They did not have a private/secret illegal three days test with the current package and race drivers, covering almost four race distances, early in the season.

One of several reasons.

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Perhaps not, but they DID go to the Young Driver test...

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They did have a tyre test. Massa was involved. They had access to the Pirelli data the test produced. Only difference was not this years car.

Notwithstanding the above, this only explains the Merc being ahead. What about the Lotus and the Red Bull.

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the other teams have develope their cars at a faster rate

i must say its a good thing merc miss that tyre test , because a better understanding of those tyres merc would have been even further ahead

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Pasta wasn't spiced right.

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Alonso having a bad day?

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Probably their wind tunnel 🙂

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Another abysmal showing from Ferrari, how much longer can Stefano Domenicali continue?

This is a team with endless resources, strong race winning drivers and yet they are still going nowhere.

A few races ago they had reasonable race pace but no qualifying speed, now they have neither.

You have to question some of the decisions as well. Massa was fastest in Q1 and 2 in Germany yet they opted not to let either driver run the soft tyre in Q3, instead opting for a half baked solution of starting on the hard, that completely failed. Then in this race they opt to run the soft tyre in Q3 after they had no real speed in Q1 or 2, qualify poorly

and then get beaten in the race by Webber and Button respectively, who used their German strategy this time around!!

I cannot believe Alonso is the serious committed race driver he is if he accepts much more of this, actually Massa too. Another season, another washout looms, its time for some action in the boardroom.

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I completely agree, this is sickening to watch. Alonso has never had the fastest car since his double world titles at Renault. He's basically challenged only through his own talent. 2010 and 2012 would have been almost as dull as 2011 were it not for this. I'm sick of Ferrari. I remember when Alonso joined they made a point of repeating that no driver is bigger than Ferrari. Guess what Ferrari, you've produced nothing but second rate cars, and apart from 2012, second rate strategy. Your driver is rated as the best in the field but your car has not even been rated in the top two cars in any year since 2008. You are more of a limping horse than a prancing one. No one could put a Ferrari on pole without wet conditions. There is always talk about Ferrari and its history but history is meaningless when it comes to results. The most valuable thing Ferrari have right now in F1 is not their name or their car or their factory or their designer or their chief, it is the contract they have with Alonso. Were he driving for another team he'd be taking points off them and kicking them in the teeth to expose their true lumbering ineptitude. Tell the horse whisperer the gig is up,you need a bull whisperer, cos all I hear from Ferrari is bull excrement.

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LOL Well yes, I think it is exasperating. Just one thing, when it rains the car is even slower (with the exception of 2012) LOL The sad thing for me is that Ferrari is inmensely benefitting from having ALO, as he is masking their technical ineptitude, but ALO is wasting his best years with them. It is not a symbiosis where both benefit from one another, it is parasitism, and ALO is the host. It seems to me as if they are soaking up all ALO's skills and determination, untill there is nothing left.

I hope ALO is strong enough to resist untill Ferrari produce a good car and then win a champioship with them. If not, it would be very very sad. Probably the worst injustice in modern Formula 1.

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Nothing wrong with Ferrari's strategic decisions. Actually, they were flawless today (as was ALO the whole weekend). Their problem is of technical nature. They are not able to build a quick car. On track, they are the best along with Red Bull.

Regarding ALO, it is the other way around. He is the serious committed driver, and that's why he is going to accept all this, and work tirelessly to win with Ferrari. I mention this also in response of all this nonsense rumors of him contacting Red Bull, which are aimed to destabilize the team (and sell newspapers). I think it was very poor from Horner not to deny it when asked by the british media.

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Ferrari were not flawless in several respects, and indeed got a penalty for the rather silly mistake of running Alonso's car with the practice map for the DRS so in the race it opened at all the wrong - and illegal- places.

They seem to have lost their way, and that may be, like McLaren, a mismatch with wind tunnel and track performance. But in a science and technology based business that such a problem continues for the second year at least is a real failure for both teams.

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Sorry, I remember now another strategic mistake. Putting used intermediate tires on ALO's car at Canada's quail (Q3) and bringing him out with only one lap in the tank, so he could not benefit by the best track conditions that did occur in what would have been his second Q3 timed lap. If he had done that lap with new tires (what is what Vettel and Bottas did) he would have gained one or two positions on the grid.

Overall though, they have been very good regarding strategy and pit stops, and as you can see I am pretty meticulous analyzing this things! 😉

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They were flawless regarding strategy and pit stops. The only strategic mistake (that I remember of course) this year was the one in Malaysia with the front wing. And they have done excellent calls this year like the undercuts in Australia and Spain for example.

Your second point is in agreement with my exposition. Ferrari's problem is of technical nature. And the correlation issues have been there not for two years but at least four (since 2010). Actually they have been fixing their wind tunnel since the second half of last year, so they have been working in Toyota's facilities. By now they should be reopening it and starting to operate it again. Actually, the malfunctioning Silverstone aero package (which is the main reason why they are going backwards now, as they had to revert to the Spanish Grand Prix specification) could be related to the return to their fixed tunnel, what would be something really worrying.

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Maybe the reason Horner did not deny the rumour is because it is true.

In any case nothing wrong with a bit of payback for the stuff Ferrari have spread around regarding Vettel moving to Ferrari.

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LOL Yes, that indeed was revenge!

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How that can be true when according to the media Alonso didn´t want Vettel as team mate in Ferrari? Why would he like to be with Vettel in RB or in anyother team for that matter?

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Out of interest, who would you give the job too?

Ferrari isn't Chelsea!

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And there was me thinking Alonso was the Special One!

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You ask how long Domenicali can continue, Whitmarsh seems to be able to hang on. I'd have them both out by now. At least Domenicali gives a lively interview.

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Whitmarsh is stuck to McLaren with Gorilla Glue! 🙁

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+1

I'm no Ferrari fan but I love a Stefano interview, I thought Whitmarsh should have been sacked last year

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yeah, very succinct

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They need a driver like Schumacher who tells them which way to go. They are depending on such a driver or they get lost. I hopes Alonso would be that driver but he makes too many mistakes.

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Remember Ferrari had Brawn, Byrne, Todt, special Bridgestones & unlimited testing...Schumi was just the pilot with 'No.1' written into his contract.

Schumi was good...but not quite as good as Alonso IMHO.

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Justafan

Can you let us how many mistakes Alonso made with Ferrari ?

The biggest mistake Alonso made in his life Joined Ferrari in 2010

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What Ferrari need ? Excellent technical crew and produce the quickest car in the grid for the first time since 2008

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Sorry but they have now the driver who got the measure of schumacher, so where will they find a better driver?

Prob is not the driver. Teammate maybe, and looks like he will be out end of year anyway

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Take the driver who got the measure of Alonso.

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So I guess now it's fairly obvious that Mercedes didn't gain any advantage from their private Pirelli test... And Hamilton should be nominated for an Oscar for his 'surprise pole' and his 'miracle win'. That's some fine acting there.

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Brawn should also get an Oscar for his pre-race performance, going on about how much they've been disadvantaged by missing out on the YDT.

No matter what Merc now do this year, I, and I'm sure many others, will always suspect that their results are down to cheating.

Interesting also that Rosberg didn't even get investigated for taking off Massa's front wind end plate when cutting him up.

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That was exactly what I thought already after friday practice actually - an act.

They wanted it to look as missing the YDT was a reasonable punishment, and asked the drivers to put on that poor act.

I am amazed that so many posters choose to see the HAM/MERC win as a surprise/special achievement after their pace (and consistency) in the races post the secret test, not to mention this close-to-dominant Saturday (factoring in the brake problems ROS did have in Q3).

Obviously the act worked so you cannot but say, well done Mercedes, Hollywood next!

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Completely new tyres which the other teams have had more experience with...

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Oh come on! Mercedes missed out on three days of 'young driver' testing with the new tyres, post the Silverstone fiasco. Any perceived advantage from taking part in Pirelli's tyre test was thus negated.

Hamilton played a blinder today.

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Any advantage they gained will surely have been nullified now the others have had the young drivers test, and also they wouldn't have been testing the tyres they are now using and which everyone else was able to test with.

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Are you serious???

On their test there was no FIA at all so Merc did what they wanted - instead of what others did on YDT (exactly what Pirelli said and nothings more).

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.On their test, there was no FIA at all so Merc did what they wanted.

Don't know how such a test would be of any value to Pirelli or are you telling me, with all the trouble going on about tyres at that time, Pirelli were dumb enough to risk a PR disaster by masking a Merc test and calling it a Pirelli tyre test? In any case, you go as far back as Bahrain and you find that Ferrari had "secret" tests as well which might not have been exactly what Pirelli said they did. I can't believe people are getting selective and going paranoid because they realize that Merc combine single lap pace with a strong driver line-up and a strong technical line-up (which will get stronger with Lowe coming in) to become a real threat to RB's title challenge

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Too right. I am astounded that people are trotting out this nonsense.

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Pure conjecture on your part. Where is the evidence that Merc did what they wanted.

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Three days with Current car, current drivers, unmarked helmets, 1000km, no media and no FIA stewards. It doesn´t take rocket science to connect the dots. There are 99% chances they tested a lot more than just tyres

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These are new tyres for every team and if any team was at disadvantage on these tyres, it was Mercedes because they were banned not to test the tyres during the YDT last week when all other teams tested it.

Lewis pole time was better than Vettel's with just 4000th of a second. If you had watched the qualifiers, you would hardly believe that any driver could matched the time Vettel did on his first fresh tyre run, which was more than 800th of a second quicker than Lewis managed in his first run on (used tyres).

Vettel was faster than Lewis in Q2 with 300th of second when both ran on used soft. Hamilton and other drivers had to use extra soft tyres to move into safer zone on Q2. Hamilton was surprised for being on pole not to downplay the speed his car, but Red Bull has been mighty before that final run. I for one was surprised that Lewis bettered Vettel first time not to talk of his improved second run.

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" I for one was surprised that Lewis bettered Vettel first time not to talk of his improved second run.

The Merc drivers state, at the beginning of the GP, that they have lost pace compared to the others and that pole/victory are totally out of reach. From there they manage, not only to take pole (ROS in a strong 4th despite brake problems in Q3!), but also to WIN the race, with track temperature being 50+!!!

Given this sequence of events, and recalling their massively improved performance in races following the illegal test, it is surprising that you are surprised.

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Man, enough is enough, they gained an advantage, for sure. But did you figure out that right now they were raci g completely differe t tyres?

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"But did you figure out that right now they were raci g completely differe t tyres?"

Just curious. Are you saying that the current tyres are completely different to those Merc was using at the illegal test? Any link to were this is stated?

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As far as I understand the private test were experimental tyres for next year (2014), while the current tyres used in Hungary are an amalgum of 2012 and 2013 models. Two different beasts.

So it is interesting for the very opposite reason to the conspiracy theorists favourite meme, that Mercedes are excluded from testing this new mixed tyre at Silverstone (top teams did several race distances) but managed them as well if not better than any team other than Lotus.

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The issue is not the tires. The problem was wearing out their tires too quickly that Mercedes was able to solve by testing their cars with race drivers in season.

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The tyres now are completely different, and all the teams bar Mercedes tested them for 3 days.

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""And the fact that Mercedes has now managed to win a race in intense heat, as well as on a high loading circuit like Silverstone indicates that they can master their tyre management and thus can be competitive anywhere.""

James

In light of the above, who would you say is Vettel's biggest rival this year for the championship? Raikonnen, Alonso or Hamilton?

Can you also confirm if Ferrari is indeed bringing a big upgrade to Spa?

Cheers

Pranav

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I think Hamilton (and Rosberg) will complicate the championship from here, but won't win it.

Alonso and Ferrari would lose out in that scenario (as they have in last four races) and Lotus probably lack firepower to take it to Vettel for three months solid.

So the result is WDC #4 for Vettel.

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I think the other problem for the challengers is that there are more than one.

Mathematically, they (RAI, ALO, etc) are going to keep taking points away from each other. i.e. They will swap positions from race to race. This makes it difficult to overtake someone like Vettel who a) has a points lead and b) a car which is likely to continue to be very fast.

For Vettel to be threatened, it would have to be like previous years when there is one serious rival who is able to consistently finish in front of or just behind Vettel. Otherwise they'll keep sharing the points and never really catch or pass him in the championship. And since the three main rivals are at different teams, team orders can't help out either.

As for the constructors, they might as well award that to Red Bull today - even on a bad weekend Mark Webber manages to finish 4th!

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One possibility that will bring Kimi and Hamilton right into contention is a RB DNF mechanical failure.

Vettel suffered just that at Silverstone.

The engines at Hungary ran very hot. Wonder if RB need to use the engines again?

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It seems Vettel's headed for his fourth title, largely because no one else seems to be able to put in a solid challenge. Ferrari are flailing about again. Lotus put in some great races, but they always seems to start from around the middle of the 10, leaving them to fight through just to try make it to the podium. McLaren, who should be fighting for wins, are of course doing nothing of the sort this year. And Merc are kind of coming out of nowhere to be a contender for race wins, but with a bit of a rough start to the season. And while Hamilton looks to be the leader of the two, Rosberg certainly has his moments.

So while everyone else fumbles about, and the Merc pair take points off each other, Vettel will just do his thing and take another title. While his 2011 title was a bit disappointing as a result of how tedious (albeit impressive) his domination was, this is looking to be disappointing for different reasons. He doesn't necessarily have the all-conquering car, he hasn't had a perfect start to the season... just no one else is putting up a competent and consistent enough challenge.

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So the result is WDC #4 for Vettel.

James, don't say that please! If Lewis takes the win at Spa I dare say he will be able to snatch it from Vettel. Not that I dislike Vettel at all. We all want a very close fight. I really don't wanna feel a lull.

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Do you think Hamilton can put together 5 straight wins? because with Vettels consistency he would need that!

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sounds reasonable to me but a bit of webber luck fall on seb and things could can tighten up quite nicely fore ALO and KIMI

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James,

though a Ferrari (Alonso) fan, I do hope Mercedes complicate things a bit in the second half, even if it meant Alonso out of contention.

Given how the last seasons unfolded in terms of car development, with Ferrari stuck in the 6th, Lotus missing firepower and RBR disappearing round the corner, Mercedes is the only hope.

Lewis is massive 48 point down now but the next two races are Spa and Monza and we know just how quick he can be round there. Add to this Merc's powerful engine and KERS, and the gap might go down to two dozens point... Anyway, it still would be extremely hard for him to get Vettel.

James, is it only me or does Lewis looks much calmer than he used to be at McL? Maybe that PR work is that stressful...

By the way, Alonso seems happy at Ferrari but quite unhappy about the car. I don't thinks he'd go for RB.

Been following you for some time and must say you always keep the standards high. Really a pleasure to read you!

Cheers, Bart

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Grazie

Ham looks a bit down, but he drove very well this weekend, one of his best I would say. He was helped by BUT holding up VET x 2 but he also was impressive in overtaking when he needed to.

He's had an up and down season, but this was top drawer

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Lars Jespersen

That might well be true, which is sad for the excitement of this year. Good to see Hamilton in a competitive car, however.

Any comments on rumours that Danish Television put forward (with well known photographer Peter Nygaard as source), that Alonso had a meeting with Red Bull in Budapest ?

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There are pictures of Hamilton talking to Whitmarsh on the pit wall from one of the last couple of races, and he has been seen in their garage, so that shows he is about to go back to McLaren?

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I would love for Alonso to go to Redbull....

F1 is in desperate need of that sort of excitement.

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My Italian colleagues say there is nothing in this

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AMEN to that.

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u read my mind... vettel winning again jyust is too boring. he just doesnt get us fans exited anymore... its like the old schumi era wher i started rooting for montoya in the williams.. cause he entertained us..

hope lotus gets their high speed sections right and beat vettel. ..

ferrari has well deteriorated into a crappy team.. alonso looks demotivated...

would love to see kimi at red bull. if he can keep seb behind in a lotus on old tires then he sure can beat him in a red bull

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James there is something wrong with your recent web pics. They seem pixilated, as if they are only half-res. Did you change anything in the way you prep/upload them recently?

Apologies for informing you in this way, I couldn't find another way to contact you.

Best

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On the flip side if the Merc's start winning races won't that allow Alonso and Kimi to catch up. Furthermore, at the halfway point we can expect DNF's mistakes etc.

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That is True to an extend, it also depends on how many DNF's vettel gets.

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Short answer, No.

If Merc regularly occupy the top places then even if Ferrari/Lotus finish ahead of Red Bull the difference in the points between the lower finishing positions is much less. This will make it very hard for Ferrari/Lotus to recover the deficit to Red Bull.

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How about an article on why the four big teams (McLaren, Ferrari, Lotus and Mercedes) cant seem to be able to take the fight to Red Bull after 4 years. The other teams can all win races, but cant seem to put it together for a whole season.

I would be interested to know what the opinions are, is it incompetance, weak no2 drivers, lack of star talent like Newey??

It looks like another forgone conclusion for both titles, and with still 9 races to go that is sad.

Domination in any sport is bad and leads to fewer viewers, at least last year went down to the final race.

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IMHO, it is not just the car but the complete package. Seb has not got much love and the respect has been grudging (he's in the best car), but on the evidence of it, he is an all time great. Most of the guys close to F1 (James, Peter Windsor etc) have acknowledged his skill and ability, time for the average fan to do that

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Very concise and accurate answer.

The race for number two is interesting. Unless Ferrari's Spa upgrades result in Mercedes like improvements, I think Alonso will be beaten by Hamilton and Kimi.

Despite a few weak races by Lotus since Spain, Kimi has caught Alonso and regained second. Hamilton's ability to win races could mean healthy points continuing. This should take him past Alonso. Hamilton's about 50 point gap to Vettel is challenging.

I think Alonso will be putting Ferrari management under a lot of pressure.

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@James, Thanks for making such a bold prediction. I hope you are wrong. Seb has been awesome winning 3 WDC consecutively, but for the sake of good sports, I hope someone really push him harder than ever this season!

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Steve S, huh? Alonso and Schumi were tied on points with two races to go in 2006. Schumi was leading Alonso in the penultimate race, when his engine blew, handing Alonso a 10-pt lead. For anyone to say that wasn't a close championship is just plain silly.

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He won one title by four points and another by three. He's been pushed hard. There is a driver out there who has never won a closely fought title race. Fernando something-or-other.

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James, do you think Lewis in his current form can beat Schumacher's 91 win tally? Or Vettel? Maybe Alonso?

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It'll take Hamilton to win all the whole races for the next 3 and half years to achieve that, which is very impossible considering how competitive the whole grid are now to those during the Schumi days. I think it's an impeccable record to be broken.

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Holy geez, that level of consistent dominance that Ferrari/Schumi showed, will likely never happen again. He was getting into double-digit wins each year for 5 years. The same would be necessary today to ever get close to 91 wins.

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I think the 91 wins is the toughest record to break. During his prime years at Ferrari, Schumacher had no competition at a similar level, whereas today you have 4 drivers (VET, HAM, ALO, RAI) who are arguably at the same level as Schumi and a few (BUT, WEB, ROS) who are just a little behind, that makes it very difficult for anyone to run away with wins like he did

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Alexander Supertramp

91 is a lot! Lewis has 22 after 6,5 years.. Seems pretty unlikely. Alonso doesn't have the time left.. Perhaps Vettel, but again, 91 is a lot!

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I see it the same and hope you are right!

But be afraid of 2014 Mercedes...

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Agree, but it is very unfortunate....especially because it is so predictable.

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What we should really take away from this race is this:

A bet on a Hamilton-Raikkonen 1-2 in the Hungarian Grand Prix is about as sure as it gets in F1, maybe in all of motorsports.

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nothing, this day was anything like, 'sure as it gets...' the was the Schumacher era.

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Haha, indeed. 2007, 2009, 2012, and now 2013. Kimi must be sick of following Lewis home in Hungary. Lewis can be called the HungaroKing (4 wins), and next up is Kimi's race (King of Spa with 4 wins). The only current drivers with 4+ wins at any single Grand Prix.

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James, any idea what the "fail 22" message for Vettel and Webber was near the end? KERS problems perhaps?

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My theory on the 'fail 22' msg is that Webber's strategy wasn't going to work (to catch both Seb and Kimi). Car 2 (that is Webber) and strategy 2 (using the soft in the last stint), hence fail 22. Well, that's just my theory...

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Tornillo Amarillo

Maybe driver 2 (Webber) cannot get target P2 as planned, so he stopped pushing.

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I was wondering the same thing. The fact that it went out to both drivers at the same time make me think it wasn't an actual failure on the car, but some sort of strategic code. Would seem a bit of bad luck to have the exact same fault occur simultaneously on both cars.

At first I thought maybe it was basically a "Give up, hold position, cruise safely to the end" message, seeing as neither of them seemed to be able to move up any more places from where they were. But clearly Vettel didn't back off, and then a few laps later they reminded Webber to keep pushing, as the Vettel/Raikkonen fight was getting a bit heated. So who knows...