Mercedes and Pirelli face FIA International Tribunal over secret test
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Posted By: James Allen  |  06 Jun 2013   |  5:01 am GMT  |  322 comments

[Updated] The FIA has decided that Mercedes and Pirelli have a case to answer over the test which took place last month in Barcelona with a 2013 car and the current race drivers and they will be required to appear before an International Tribunal to defend themselves against a charge of breaching the rules.

Ferrari has been exonerated for the test it carried out using a 2011 car.

The FIA statutes suggest that it can take up to 45 days to convene an International Tribunal, but the process can be fast tracked.

Mercedes has acknowledged the summons and said that it has the utmost confidence in the process providing sporting integrity and full transparency on the events that led to the test.

The case will turn on the question of the area between the FIA’s Sporting Regulations which say that testing with a car that is substantially the same as a current model is not permitted and the Pirelli contract with the FIA which allows for 1,000Kms of testing.

Central to the case will be email correspondence between the FIA’s Charlie Whiting and Mercedes’ Ross Brawn about the test and precisely what the FIA was willing to sanction.

If found guilty of a breach of the rules Mercedes could face a range of sanctions from a fine to exclusion. Pirelli will be under pressure to prove that they did not provide any favour to one team, against the spirit of sporting competition. This kind of matter is particularly sensitive since the FIA was recognised by the International Olympic Committee.

The issue arises as Mercedes are beginning to really make their presence felt competitively in F1, with pole position in the last four races and victory in Monaco.

For our expert assessment of the test, listen to the latest JA on F1 podcast HERE

The FIA Statement, issued on Wednesday night, said, “The FIA requested clarifications from Pirelli and Team Mercedes AMG Petronas F1… The FIA also asked questions to Scuderia Ferrari Team, which took part in a tyre-testing with Pirelli in Barcelona on 23-24 April 2013.

“The FIA requested all the other F1 teams to provide the FIA with information they may have regarding any tests carried out by Pirelli during the 2013 season.

“In the light of all the replies received and in view of the information gathered the president of the FIA, acting as the FIA prosecuting body, has decided: “To close the case as regard to Scuderia Ferrari team considering that its participation in a tyre testing organised by Pirelli in Barcelona on 23-24 April 2013 using for this purpose a 2011 car is not deemed to contravene the applicable FIA rules.

“To bring the case concerning the tyre-testing session carried out by Pirelli and Team Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 in Barcelona on 15-17 May 2013 before the FIA international tribunal because it results from the inquiry that the conditions of this testing may constitute a breach of the applicable FIA rules.

“The FIA international tribunal is called upon to make a decision in compliance with the FIA judicial and disciplinary rules.”

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From the development so far it looks like Merc will get away with small penalty which will be more like a warning..maybe a ban on couple of races and few hundred thousand pounds.

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WRC is under the FIA. When Kimi was rallying & did not go to Australia or NZ, I don’t remember, he was allowed to race the rest of the season, but he was not scored because he had broken the rules. Merc needs to not be scored for anything following the Merc tire test. Even I know that was outside of the rules. Lotus got the regs last Sept. & built their car to them correctly, now they are being punished. If Merc is not, no longer scored, then they owe Lotus $100 million. Cheating is not fair!

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I still can’t get why people call this test “secret” – It was not performed on some hidden track with unpainted cars secretly unloaded from unbranded transporters, like big car companies like to test their next models, was it?

Apart from that I find it surprising that the sporting regulations, as clear as they might seem, seem to have a loop hole, so blatant that it escapes me why it wasn’t used before.

“22.1 Track testing shall be considered any track running time not part of an Event undertaken by a competitor entered in the Championship, using cars which conform substantially with the current Formula One Technical Regulations in addition to those from the previous or subsequent year. “

Now Pirelli is not “a competitor entered in the Championship”, is it? So Pirelli may obviously test as much as are allowed to, regarding their very own contracts.

Pirelli, on their own, are not restricted in their choice of car and material, as far as I have understood. Their contract even states testing a “representative” car.

In this case Pirelli was using Mercedes’ material and personnel for their test – Mercedes did not test their car, Pirelli tested their tires with Mercedes’ car and driver. This is not the same. Pirelli ran the test, Pirelli were in control and in charge. All data gathered is Pirellis data. Like usual with contractors, I expect that Mercedes, as a contractor, were obliged to delete any data from their machines, after it was given to Pirelli and the testing contract ended.

What’s interesting is that this kind of legal stretch, if deemed legal by the Tribunal, is something engine suppliers like Renault, Ferrari and Honda could use to test their engines in current cars.

If I had to judge this, I would say that I was forced to let Pirelli and Mercedes get away with their test, but I would urgently add a clarification to the sporting regulations to prevent further exploitation of the loophole.

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“It is really an issue between the team and the FIA and obviously Pirelli have asked several teams to test – ourselves included – but we have declined to do so as we felt it wasn’t in line with the regulations, certainly with the current car. So that is the situation, it has gone to the tribunal and we trust the FIA to make the appropriate decision regarding it.” he said during Friday’s FIA press conference.

Well well well……at first they said they dont know and didnt get invitation (Ferrari, Red Bull and Lotus not asked about secret Pirelli F1 test http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107733 ) , now they said they acknowledged and turned down. If Pirelli able to proved that they did invite all teams and only Merc accepted, that’s the end of story, as they comply to the rules, which said that they have to give all team an opportunity.

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Did anyone else watch the team principals press conference yesterday ? There were a number of points I thought note worthy: Paul Hembery withdrew on the advice of pirelli’s lawyers, and Ross Brawn said it was his decision for Mercedes to participate in the test. He said the test was private, not secret and which drivers are used is not covered in the regulations. On the matter of the test being secret, he made much the same remarks as a number of posters have eg would have to be naive to imagine that no one would notice etc. Pirelli wanted a platform that was as relevant as possible, hence 2013 cars and current race drivers. Sadly, he would not be drawn on the $64,000 question, namely, what emails they had, who gave what permissions etc and just said wait for the tribunal when all will become clear. He did state categorically, however, that he believed that the requisite permission was granted by the FIA or he would not have allowed the team to take part. I may be wrong, and I would be interested if anyone else who watched had any thoughts, but my feeling overall was that he has some sort of ace up his sleeve. If he doesn’t, then he dug a very large hole for himself when he didn’t need too. After all, he could have simply been a no show – like Mr H.

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I think the whole saga stinks of Toto and Mercedes group for some reason and Ross Brawn will be used as the scape goat for brand damage limitation, got to remember there are a hell of a lot of Mercedes Cars on the Rd from new running Mercedes Tyre’s although the people in the know know the F1 tyre wear and general reliability in absolutely no way relates to the road car the general public do not see that.

Said up until this Ross Brawn absolutely no way would be stood down in the wake of the Paddy Lowe move speculation but i can really see him switched to another team say Mclaren Sauber or Williams failing that a senior rule within F1 or the FIA going to be interesting!.

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I’m not a massive merc fan but I find it hard to believe that in an organisation like themselves they would drop a real clanger and make a mistake like this.

I dont know, something doesnt quite add up thats for sure. I dont think this is going to be as straight forward as it might seem at the present. Vettel will be smiling all the way to Brazil.

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Liam of Sydney

They didn’t make a mistake. They knew exactly what they were doing, and damn the consequences. In my opinion, they were even skipping the help this gives them for 2013 and looking to what their drivers could learn for 2014. Any help, no matter how small, is still help.

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Tell me again what FIA stands for? Ferrari get let off even before the case goes to court

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Liam of Sydney

Why would they? They have done nothing wrong.

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Funnily enough in my job as a tester I would be fired if I tested a new component against an old platform not currently in use and then it all “Blew Up” (pun only intended if you’re amused by it).

I think this whole episode could just be to force the situation and make teams and the FIA gree on sensible tyre testing regulations that won’t leave F1 in this mess in future.

In my opinion Mercedes will get a slap pn the wrist and hopefully some heads will be knocked together after this.

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Craig in Manila

So, now the lawyers will get (further) involved and the whole thing will degenerate into semantics and word-play.

Here’s how I see it ending :

Q. Did Mercedes conduct a test and, by doing so, contravene F1 regs ?

No. Pirelli arranged and conducted a test. As Mercedes were not testing their own car but were instead “loaning” it and their infrastructure to Pirelli for their own purposes, no rule has been broken by Mercedes.

Q. Did Pirelli breach its contract with F1 ?

No. In 2012, Pirelli advised of intention to test tyres with a current car and invited all teams to express interest in participating. Pirelli will say that they are not obliged to re-advise and re-invite every team every time that they want to do it : once was surely enough.

End of story.

Q. Were Mercedes and Pirelli aware that this whole thing would be seen as “smelly” but, by planning it properly, they could get away with it unpunished ? Yep, I reckon so.

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Hearing from an FOM guy who’s in Montreal that something very significant has come out relating to the test which is going to “blow up” tomorrow.

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Rosberg has now said that he knew which tyres he was testing, contradicting the claims from Pirelli.

I hope the Tribunal calls Rosberg and Hamilton to testify and does not simply take statements from the Mercedes and Pirelli lawyers.

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And probably there is no contradiction at all.

Rosberg knew what he was testing: Yes, he knew he was testing “Tyre A”, “Tyre B” or “Tyre C”. So this may obviously be true without contradicting Pirellis claim that the team didn’t know which tyre they were testing, as Pirelli might have meant the team didn’t know whether Tyre A, B or C would the one that was the closest to the new constructions that were planned to be used on canada or 2014.

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Please, the drivers didn’t know the tires they were testing?! This must be a new height in ridiculousness. some things are in no need of substantiation, i.e. I sailed across the globe, OH but, have you ever seen water?

The tires are different colours for gods sake, unless Pirelli brought unmarked tires… give me a break!

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…”Although Rosberg refused to comment on speculation that both he and Hamilton wore ‘anonymous’ helmets during the test, the German was more forthcoming on its purpose but raised plenty of eyebrows after claiming he knew what type of tyres were deployed on his W04.

“Of course, I was aware of what their ideas were and what they were testing because I needed to know that to be able to pinpoint for them what was going on,” he said.”…

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12472/8760661/Merc-deny-secret-Barcelona-test-was-revealed-in-a-chat-between-Rosberg-and-Vettel

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Listen to Nico Rosberg here telling us tonight on the BBC 5 Live F1 show what he knew about the tyres he was testing.

It’s around 10 mins in to the podcast

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/cff1

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Can we believe him?

Lewis made AMG F1 driver statements inadmissible thanks to being in “Miami”.

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Has he? I’ve not heard him say that

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Apparently yes. During the press conference he confirmed that both him and Lewis were the drivers. When asked about the rumor about the annonymous helmet he didn´t confirmed nor deny. Then some questions about tyres came up. Nico said he was awared of the tyres because Pirelli needed feedback from him about the behaviour of the tyres. So it looks like he knew something. I got this from Sky website. Of course you have to check

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That seems kinda strange, surely Merc would have at least told their drivers to say nothing in light of an ongoing investigation

Or has something ticked Nico off somewhere along the line. if not then his comments have exposed the team and done him no favours

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Seán Craddock

ESPN are reporting it

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I think James said it best when he called this whole circus dysfunctional. No Concorde agreement, no tire supply contract, insufficient testing, and only three engine manufacturers.

Everyone involved has multiple agreements with multiple parties. There is no boss, just a collection of individuals all holding veto power. Everyone must agree in order to move forward.

Considering that James has already heard the sound of the new V6 turbo, I’m surprised that no one has suggested that Mercedes was not only testing the 2014 tires, but they were also testing the new power train in the 2013 chassis.

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Based on this article, http://en.espnf1.com/mercedes/motorsport/story/109812.html, Merc drivers new what they were testing. This is in contrast to what Pirelli (and Merc execs) said. Hole is getting deeper and deeper.

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I would seriously doubt that.

Last year when Jaime Alguersuari was official Pirelli tester doing the tests in a 2010 Renault he told me he wasn’t told exactly what he was testing, only some directions.

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hero_was_senna

Would it not make sense to have Jaime drive whatever car Pirelli is testing with?

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That would be a hell of an effort, as Jaime has to get used to the car, the controls, find a good way to communicate with the engineers, etc.

Using a driver who’s already accustomed to the car and who knows how it behaves normally with the tyres that they use in the Granss Prix is certainly a lot easier and also more useful.

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I say let Pirelli hold (and pay for the circuit) a 3 day test for all teams.

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Is there some kind of unwritten rule that all F1 reporting of this story must describe it as a ‘secret’ test?

Is that the kind of secret my 4 year old keeps, or rather doesn’t?

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Well it wasn’t known about by any of the other teams or by any of the media, so that counts as a secret in my book!

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Pirelli should have informed all the teams and the FIA. Pirelli should have also said something if Mercedes could not use the car they did.

The fault is Pirelli’s on both counts;

– not informing people of the test, if that is actually true, which I doubt. Was everyone informed of the Ferrari test? First we heard of it was when this came up. Till then the Ferrari test was “secret” as far as the world was concerned.

– letting Mercedes use the car they used instead of telling them to use a different car.

Since when did a tyre company running a test expect everyone else to do their job for them? Why is it down to Mercedes to tell everyone what they are doing if Pirelli can’t be bothered? Do Mercedes have a sign above their garage saying “Pirelli’s messenger boys?” No.

Renault cheat and get away with it. They deliberately cause a crash and get nothing more than a slapped wrist, a few token sackings and all is well again. Nobody even took them to task over their treatment of the real Lotus team, despite their blatantly vindictive behaviour towards them and using the black and gold livery just to rub it in. All wrong, and no other reason for it than bitchiness and spite.

Ferrari cheat and get away with it. Funny how their test has only just come to light, it wasn’t exactly advertised, but they get off scot free. Apparently if you are Ferrari you don’t have to be Pirelli’s messengers.

Soon as it’s McLaren or Mercedes though, everyone wants to burn them at the stake. So no change there then.

Would it be too much for F1 to stop insulting the intelligence of their fans with spin and half the story, and tell the truth for once? We’ve only been waiting 60 years.

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I hear you Anne, but I have reservations about what you are saying, because all of it sounds like guesswork. Not blaming you for that but let’s be honest, we’re all guessing here.

First of all we don’t know how much of what anyone has said is true. F1 is so full of politicians’ answers and doublespeak, which sound good but say nothing, that I am beginning to doubt that any of them could tell the truth if they were strapped down under oath and injected with a guaranteed truth drug 🙂

If Pirelli did not tell people it is absolutely their fault and Mercedes, Ferrari and any other team they worked with are blameless. That has been my point all along. Singling out Mercedes for this is wrong, but that is what the other teams and the media are still doing. They are still doing it now.

You say Merc talked to the FIA about the car to use, but were just exchanging ideas and nothing was agreed. Sounds plausible, but do you know this for a fact or is that speculation? Why should Mercedes have to ask the FIA at all? It was the job of Pirelli to make sure they complied.

The rest of what you say may be true as well but without evidence for it, it’s still a case of if, if, if. It may be true, it may be reasonable, but I don’t take unbacked assertions or guesses as facts, and my fear is that whatever gets revealed by this tribunal, we as the fans will only hear half the story, if that.

Still, as we are guessing I may as well put my own speculation in. This just what I think from my own observations. I am not trying to pass any of it off as fact because I don’t think that any opinions are facts without the evidence to back them up, including mine, but for what it’s worth;

My own feeling is that this is sour grapes, especially from Red Bull and Vettel in particular. They’ve become so used to success they have become sore losers. Mika Hakkinen, when he lost his crown to Michael, said to be a good winner you have to be a good loser too. Neither Red Bull nor Vettel fit that description in any way.

Vettel is acting like a child throwing his toys out of his pram because he’s not running away with it any more, and this season is showing his long suspected weaknesses when he can’t lead from the front. Sometimes he has been good at fighting his way through the pack, other times you see him doing reckless overtake attempts and giving up if he can’t get past people straight away. He is outclassed by all his rivals in this respect, including his team mate. Anyone can overtake when the guy in front turns his engine down 🙂

Red Bull have lost their dominance even though they are still in the lead, and I think they are scared that

a) this year they won’t just walk away with it, and

b) next year the manufacturing teams will have the advantage, at least to start with. Sure, Red Bull will be considered Renault’s main team, but they will still have to build a car around whatever Renault give them.

Mercedes in particular should have a very good overall package and are already being touted as the team to beat next year, so this is nothing more than an attempt to try and rock the boat and put them off their development plan for 2014, or at least claim that next year’s car is the result of “illegal” testing this year and hinder development that way.

Ferrari should be strong as well and even Lotus might do better with a Renault engine than Red Bull. Perhaps even to the point where Renault consider them to be their main team for development instead.

When Honda come in as well, Renault will likely be the slowest in a straight line. They won’t have their dominant traction out of corners to compensate because that will be negated by the masses of extra torque all the cars will have on corner exits, thanks to the ERS and other changes.

Coming back to this year, we have already seen the price of that dominant traction out of corners – heavier tyre wear. I suspected that all along but it seems to be getting proved now. It didn’t matter when the tyres lasted but now they don’t, and Red Bull are stuck with a car that is heavier on tyres and very hard to change. Lotus have managed to get that traction as well now but without the tyre wear, and that must be bothering Red Bull too.

With so much invested in their current design, the other teams catching them and a whole redesign job needed for next year, Red Bull don’t know where they will be in the second half of this year, let alone in 2014 – and they don’t like it.

So if they can’t beat their rivals honestly on the track they just stir up trouble off the track, to try and derail them. Which is just sad and comes across as sore losers lashing out instead of just sucking it up, getting their heads down and dealing with it.

Tough. You reap what you sow. If you can’t lose with grace you can’t win with grace either. Simple as that.

That’s my tuppence. Make of it what you will.

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Phill according to the rules if a team is conducting a test it is Pirelli who must tell to all other teams. Why didn´t they do it? Well Paul Hembery have said recently that he wanted to avoid a controversy and second guessing among teams.

It is very clear Pirelli made matters worst

The rules say a current car is not allowed. However Mercedes talked to FIA about it. But they were exchaging ideas and possibilities on the matter. FIA put conditions on testing with a current car. Now if you read FIA´s statements they said they never gave Mercedes an official and clear go ahead about the current car. According to FIA all they did with Mercedes was to talk about a possible test

Ferrari used an 2011 car. If they asked FIA to use their current car they were told not to do it.But if Pirelli didn´t tell all the other teams about the test well that´s Pirelli fault. However in the last FIA´s statement FIA said they asked also OTHER TEAMS to bring information they have about Mercedes and Ferrari test. I don´t know what other teams informed FIA but certanly they didn´t have a problem with what Ferrari did.

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Anne, there is no contradiction. I did not say Ferrari cheated by not telling anyone about the test. You need to read more carefully.

I actually said that it was not advertised, meaning that nobody told us about the Ferrari test, not until the Mercedes test came up. Did you know about the Ferrari test before the Mercedes test hit the news? No, and nor did anyone else. I don’t see how that is any less “secret” than the Mercedes test.

The difference being that Ferrari don’t get accused of cheating for not telling people, and Mercedes do. Note the word accused because it’s the important one. That was my point, not the one you invented for me. No contradiction involved.

As for Mercedes not being blamed – really? All the news articles for the last 2 weeks have been holding them jointly responsible with Pirelli for not informing people. And the other teams think so too, from their comments.

In other words, everybody is blaming Mercedes for that, yet nobody thinks Ferrari had any responsibility to do the same. And that’s a clear and present bias. Bias should not dictate proceedings, but it is doing so, and even if I am wrong about that, I am not alone in that perception, so F1 should be addressing that instead of treating the opinions of the fans with its usual contempt.

As far as the car Mercedes used is concerned, that was also Pirelli’s job to tell them if they couldn’t use it. Instead, Pirelli told them it was all cleared with the FIA. Which also makes it Pirelli’s fault, nobody else’s.

I welcome your views and am happy to discuss them with you. What I don’t welcome is your misrepresentation of mine, intentionally or otherwise. Hope this clarifies my position for you.

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No. A lot of the Renault staff stayed on, including Eric as team leader. Eric was, with that idiot Dany Bahar, directly responsible for the shabby treatment of Lotus. Don’t try and absolve people of it who still work there. They are far from blameless.

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You´re contradicting yourself. On one hand you said Pirelli needed to tell other teams and not Mercedes. And on the other hand you said Ferrari cheated because they didn´t tell other teams about their test. Guess what? That´s also Pirelli´s job. It is Pirelli who should tell everyone about any test of any team. Nobody is blaming Mercedes for that. What Mercedes did wrong is to used a current car

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Seán Craddock

Don’t blame Renault for the Lotus naming row! Yes it’s the Enstone team, but Renault left at the end of 2010 and it was only then that the team changed livery/name (Yes in 2011 the chassis was named Renault but that’s just because of the rules, kinda like Jordan in 2005)

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I thought the explanation given by Pirelli’s Paul Hembrey was quite reasonable and logical. Paraphrashing, he said Pirelli needed a newer car to test tires for next year. They felt a car from previous seasons, that is a couple seconds slower, was not a good representative of how the would be used. They needed a more accurate platfom (i.e., current car) to see how the tires would perform. The test was a blind test, so Mercedes didn’t know specifics about the tires.

Now, whether that’s the whole story or not, remains to be seen. But, it does sound like a very reasonable explanation. Basically, how else could Pirelli get good data to construct tires if they can’t replicate race conditions? Although cars seem so similar year to year, it’s clear that even minor differences in aero, geometry, etc., can have big effects on tire wear. Pirelli needs to have some way to test the right conditions.

Did Mercedes gain any extra insight on this year’s car by running the test? Seems quite possible. But, if the FIA approved the test, is that Mercedes’ fault? Any team would have done the same, given the opportunity.

It’ll be interesting to see how this falls out, as/if more information becomes public.

Personally, I hope this all comes to nothing. I’m not a big fan of scandal in the sport and would just as soon see all this blow over and not have a team get penalized. Doesn’t matter that it’s Mercedes, it could be any team and I’d wish the same.

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“The test was a blind test, so Mercedes didn’t know specifics about the tires.”

Nico Rosberg said in the press conference earlier that he knew what tyres were been tested.

“They needed a more accurate platfom (i.e., current car) to see how the tires would perform.”

How would a 2013 car help with 2014 tyres given how totally different 2014 F1 cars/engine’s are going to be?

Pirelli could/should have done any 2013 tyre testing in Friday practice at race weekends, as there doing this weekend with tyres they hope to introduce in a few races time.

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As I replied to Steve, a good point. And, again, what I posted first was paraphrasing what I heard Paul Hembrey say. If Nico is contradicting that, then perhsaps there is more to this case.

As for the 2013/2014 car thing, the explanation I heard was that the levels of downforce and performance characteristics of the 2013 car should be closer to the 2014 cars than earlier years’ cars that can be a couple seconds off the pace of the 2013 cars.

And, I agree, Pirelli probably could have handled the testing situation better. But, that’s mostly irrelevant, as the crux of the case hinges on whether the FIA knew what was to happen and whether they approved it. If they did, then how Pirelli conducted the test and with whom doesn’t matter.

We shall see…

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Pirelli also said that they never asked for the 2013 car, that this was all Merc’s idea. And that blows a gaping hole in your theory.

” ..if the FIA approved the test ..”

If the FIA approved the test then the FIA would not have sent Mercedes and Pirelli to appear before the International Tribunal.

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Good point. If that is the case, then there may be more to this than Pirelli and/or Mercedes have represented. We’ll see when the FIA hears the case.

By the way, I was not proposing a theory. I was just paraphrasing what I read from Paul Hembrey. It may blow a gaping hole in his explanation, however.

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All this talk of ‘current car’ ‘two year old car’

Come on guys, Martin Brundle pretty much said the test cars, how ever old, are adapted to be very close to current specs aerodynamically anyway.

Everything in F1 is about secrecy, it’s about who can get away with what, we’ve seen this all before.

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There’s a lot to be annoyed about in this saga, but Pirelli’s constant dishonesty is starting to tick me off. In particular their stubborn insistence that “This test was not in any way a secret!”

This story only came to light when one of the Merc drivers – which one is still unclear – inadvertently let the cat out of the bag while talking with the other drivers. Of COURSE this test was secret.

In fact Pirelli still refuse to say anything about the Ferrari test, citing “confidentiality”. Pirelli to this day will not even admit that Ferrari were the team involved in that test! But don’t you dare suggest that they are anything but open and transparent …

Never mind their dreadful tyres, Pirelli deserve to be fired because they are dishonest and untrustworthy.

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When you take a step back and think big picture, this whole situation is simply ridiculous.

An International Tribunal because a racing team did a couple of days testing, due to the fact a tyre supplier is given no means of testing their tyres.

To outsiders F1 must look like a complete joke at the moment. F1’s leadership needs to address some more fundamental issues with the sport, not just the one at hand here.

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“due to the fact a tyre supplier is given no means of testing their tyres.”

There allowed under the regulations to use test tyres during Friday practice of race weekends, Its something they hardly ever take advantage of.

If you want to see testing return then be ready to lose another 4-5 teams & see another 3-4 rendered totally uncompetitive as right now only 1-2 teams can actually afford to go testing, Thats why it was banned, Virtually nobody can afford to do it.

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All revved-up

Let’s give Mercedes a chance to explain their side of the story.

If we F1 fans can’t even keep an open mind on F1 matters, what chance has humanity to rise above politically designed religious, racial and ideological conflicts.

It seems like some have already acted as judge and jury even before listening to the evidence Mercedes has yet to present.

Personally I feel Mercedes has breached the sporting code. But let’s listen to why they think they haven’t, before hanging them.

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Looking towards 2014:

– Michelin might replace Pirelli and have tire compounds which are very durable akin to the Bridgestone era. Tires will however not be a topic as the new regulations will shake up the order and make for interesting racing.

– Ross Brawn will likely take the blame if Mercedes are punished and move out of Mercedes.

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Dont like the look of Merc under Wolf and Lauda. Why Merc brought them and what are they doing?

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Brand exposure 🙂 they doing great!

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Stephen Taylor

Why didn’t pirelli use the Life L190? Just a thought.

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Cos 1min off the pace and could never get 1000km out of one?

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Interesting to see Brawn and Lauda weasel their way out of this one

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