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Lewis Hamilton beats Alonso and Webber in closely fought German Grand Prix
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Posted By: James Allen  |  24 Jul 2011   |  2:55 pm GMT  |  244 comments

Lewis Hamilton won a tense three way battle for victory in the German Grand Prix, beating Fernando Alonso and the pole sitter Mark Webber.

It was Hamilton’s second win of the season and the 16th of his career.

It was a great weekend for Hamilton, his result set up by a stunning qualifying lap and a great start, where he took the lead from pole sitter Mark Webber on the run down to Turn 1.

And the victory was topped off by his overtake on Alonso after the Spaniard had emerged ahead of him from his second pit stop.

“If we keep pushing these are the kind of results we can get,” said a delighted Hamilton over the radio on the slow down lap.

“It couldn’t have been any better, we didn’t expect this. I feel great. It was one of the best races I’ve ever done.”

It was another tense and exciting race with Webber, Hamilton and Alonso all competitive, closely matched and enjoying battling each other. There were some great battles between them which brought the race alive. The three of them are separated by just nine points now in the championship.

In contrast it was one of runaway points leader Sebastian Vettel’s more low key races, he lost out in a battle with Alonso then made a mistake, then got undercut by Massa at the first round of pit stops. Brake problems were clearly part of the problem.

Drizzle had been in the air intermittently in the morning and a few minutes before the start rain was falling. But it wasn’t enough for the drivers to go with anything other than soft slick tyres.

It was a chilly day, the track temperature just 15 degrees.

Webber had a poor start record this season and again, as at Silverstone, he lost the lead off the startline. Lewis Hamilton took the lead into Turn 1, while behind Webber Alonso and Vettel battled over third, passing and repassing each other several times on the opening lap.

Paul Di Resta and Nick Heidfeld dropped to the back of the field after an incident.

Rosberg got a great start up to 5th ahead of Massa, whose engineer Rob Smedley radioed his driver that he had to get past the Mercedes or his race would be ‘ruined’.

Alonso attacked Vettel repeatedly and got past him on lap eight, clearly using KERS and drafting down the inside of Vettel into Turn 1.

Soon afterwards Vettel made a mistake, spinning off the track and losing seven seconds in the process.

Nick Heidfeld had a messy day, causing an incident with Di Resta at the start, but he didn’t have a chance to serve the penalty because he was taken out by Buemi who didn’t see him as he tried to pass him into the chicance.

Massa got past Rosberg on lap 12 and a lap later the leaders got stuck in to each other. Hamilton ran wide at the chicane and Webber passed him into the final corner, but Hamilton used KERS and the McLaren straight line speed advantage to repass him on the pit straight.

This allowed Alonso to join the fight and the top three battled hard.

Webber pitted on lap 15 and managed to undercut Hamilton who waited two laps to react. Alonso also pitted on lap 17 and he rejoined third. Vettel was passed by Massa and came into the pits. He rejoined behind Massa who stopped a lap later.

Webber tried to push to open a lead over Hamilton and Alonso, but wasn’t able to.
The top three circulated within 2.8 seconds of each other.

Vettel was nursing a problem with the rear brakes and had to move the bias forwards.

At the half way stage the leading trio of Webber, Hamilton and Alonso were within 1.6 seconds of each other.

Webber pitted on lap 31, Hamilton came in a lap later and undercut him. As Webber tried to repass, Hamilton gave him a little nudge to the outside which was enough to knock his momentum.

Alonso pitted a lap later and came out ahead of Hamilton, but he pulled off the pass around the outside of Turn 2 which Webber had failed to make on him. It was a classic Hamilton move and really caught Alonso napping.

Button was on a two stop strategy, his race having been somewhat compromised by a poor qualifying and a poor start, but just as he was making some progress, passing Rosberg for sixth place, he had to retire the car with a hydraulics failure.

Petrov was the first to go onto the slower medium Pirelli tyre, followed by Kobayashi. When Petrov began setting personal best lap times and the Japanese driver went immediately quicker than his team mate on the older soft tyres, the picture was clear.

Hamilton went for mediums first, Alonso followed but had a messy in lap and stayed behind his old rival, while Red Bull gambled by leaving Webber out on the old soft tyres, but as his tyres had been on since lap 31 they didn’t have enough left in them and he rejoined third almost eight seconds behind second place Alonso.

Massa and Vettel played cat and mouse over coming in for medium tyres right up to the final lap. They came in with Massa ahead, but a faster stop for Red Bull meant that Vettel came out ahead, giving him fourth place.

GERMAN GRAND PRIX, Nurburgring, 60 laps
1. Hamilton McLaren 1h37:30.334
2. Alonso Ferrari + 3.980
3. Webber Red Bull + 9.788
4. Vettel Red Bull + 47.921
5. Massa Ferrari + 52.252
6. Sutil Force India + 1:26.208
7. Rosberg Mercedes + 1 lap
8. Schumacher Mercedes + 1 lap
9. Kobayashi Sauber + 1 lap
10. Petrov Renault + 1 lap
11. Perez Sauber + 1 lap
12. Alguersuari Toro Rosso + 1 lap
13. Di Resta Force India + 1 lap
14. Maldonado Williams + 1 lap
15. Buemi Toro Rosso + 1 lap
16. Kovalainen Lotus + 2 laps
17. Glock Virgin + 3 laps
18. D’Ambrosio Virgin + 3 laps
19. Ricciardo HRT + 3 laps
20. Chandhok Lotus + 4 laps

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what an amazing race. Intense fighting all the way to the end


Who is 'moderator' James? I notice the author of this article does not say James Allen.


Not sure why. I wrote it


It certainly was.

I have no allegiance to any driver, perhaps apart from Webber because of nationality.

But I will say that it is an absolute pleasure to have drivers like Hamilton and Alonso to watch, as they are both capable of producing something very special, and producing it often.

They both make mistakes, just as Senna did. But they both can do something that you know is outstanding, beyond what the other drivers out there can do. I feel we saw that with Hamilton today. The current era of F1 is a great one!


James - a quick question. It looked to me like Webber passed Hamilton in the first stint under the yellow flag from the Heidfeld accident. On the replay you can see quite clearly the flag being waved and the flashing yellow sign at the final chicane as Webber made the move, yet no action was taken. Is there a reason for this?


The green light was flashing again before Wbber passed Hamilton.


in the BBC Forum afterwards they showed a video of the incident and before Webber makes the move you can clearly see on the far left of the screen, a green light flashing. Thus the move was legal and no action needed to be taken.


Thanks for that - I will check out the F1 forum.


A fantastic victory from Lewis - a perfect reposte to all his recent critics. That pass on Alonso was brilliant.

Valerie Barnard

I cannot see what was so great and fantastic about Hamilton getting past Alonso who had just emerged on cold tyres from his 2nd pitstop? It's not as if they had both been having a multiple-lap-battle to overtake and re-overtake each other with Hamilton eventually

being the victor. I do concede however that the earlier pitstop by Hamilton was obviously a strategic success but had Alonso been on warm and up-to-race-speed tyres I doubt very much that H would have got past him (as he knows only too well). Hence Hamilton's subsequent euphoria and schoolboy-like vaunting and crowing which was (and is) in complete contrast to the very modest and unpretentious Alonso!


agreed, BUT Alonso did nothing to defend. It was too easy at that part of the race. Alonso let the 'race win' go then and there


Alonso didn't see him and I don't think he expected Hamilton to go round him like that


Lewis was frighteningly good today. A great, aggressive but controlled and tight performance - personally I don't think this article articulates just how good Lewis was.

Likewise I do not think this article articultes how poor Seb was, adding yet more fuel to the fire of the idea that he can drive quickly but cannot 'race' for toffee. This feels like a bit of a theme, James, I've noticed you come out to defend Seb a few times in the comments, never Hamilton though who gets some ridiculous stick from posters.

I also remember challenging you last year when you gave driver of the year to Seb despite an error strewn season and barely winning the wdc against a team-mate at the end of his career and a field of slower cars.

Brakes where a small part of the problem for Seb it seems to me, and does anyone think the likes of Hamilton or Alonso would have followed Massa around for lap after lap in a fasster car? No, me niether.


Really, Patrick Byrne, take a look at my previous comments - I am more than happy to compliment any driver who performs well and usually am full of parise for the likes of Alonso,Hamilton, Kovaleinen and I'm coming round to Button.
Vettel is just not in Hamilton and Alonso's class - he requires a lightning quick car and pole position. The statistics speak for themselves.

Hamilton's drive was brilliant because he drove around issues and problems like the 'undercut' having put in a universally agreed stunning lap on Saturday.


Here's another state. Apart from the Spanish GP 2011, Vettel has only ever won a race if he was first into the first corner.

Gotta feel a bit sorry for Webber though. Was first and leading comfortably. Did his pit stop and came out 3rd


Fanboy alert!


A very illuminating stat i've snatched from another website:

"As a racer required to out-perform and out-drive his car, Vettel is a serial non-deliverer: not since the 2009 Germany GP has Sebastian finished on the podium after starting the race lower than third on the grid."


Sorry, but I don't think Alonso would have 'given away' a race win. The Weber on Hamilton and Hamilton on Alonso moves into turn 2 invite direct comparison. However, I think Hamilton got alongside quicker and so was already greatly around Alonso at any point Alonson could have pushed him too far wide (and Alonso was a bit deeper into T1 and couldn't get the fast peddle down as quick).

Great pass by Lewis though - and proof positive no criticism will make him change his style. Harsh to say Alonso let him through though.


Noted your comments and i was a little slack with my 'figure of speech'. As others have pointed out the Ferrari does have issues with tyre temp on the out lap however Alonso didn't look to make it very hard for Hamilton either (although he probably had his hands full at the time). Didn't mean to put Alonso down as i think very very highly of him.


Yes, in fact it invites to comparison. Hamilton got Webber out of the track which I heard is forbiden. Alonso did not. This 'little nudge' as James put it, also a classic Hamilton movement.

Nevertheless, in this case the difference in speed between Hamilton and Alonso was really big, I don't think he was napping, he simply saw the other car was much quicker at that moment and he had enough with keeping his own car on the track.

Very nice race to watch


Alonso said his tyres were still not upto temperature. Nonetheless great pass for Lewis as he had managed to resist Webber under exactly the same conditions only a lap earlier.


exactly he was one cold tyres, which ferrari greatly struggle with. Sure he could of driven him off the road but alonso has a bit more class than that.

He would of looked dumb if he had drifted him wide and due to the colder tyres just spun himself.

Alonso brain in those situations is more switched on than others.


Congratulations to Hamilton, it was a great, flawless, performance today again. Alonso got it wrong returning to the track after his pit stop, which cost him dearly.


Seriously...I didn't think Hamilton's pass was great at all. Don't agree Alonso was 'napping', it seemed he obviously didn't have the pace out of the pits and didn't risk anything. Pretty clear that Alonso's Ferrari would not have had the pace to even stay ahead of Hamilton running out of fuel at the end.


Hamilton is the greatest overtaker of the field, much much better than all the rest (yep it hurts to admit it)


You are joking right? I assume that you did not watch either the Monaco GP or the Canadian GP.


The way i saw lewis move on alonso. Alonso had a chance to slow lewis while turning by blocking lewis line. But he did not do it. If he would have blocked lewis for half a lap. his tyre would have come to race pace. But considering that he was short on fuel at end. Even if he would have been in front of lewis after the pit stop. he would have given it away in the end. he was on a very lean fuel mix at the end anyway.


The reason why a pass takes place is not important because in ALL races tyres, engines, better aero - they are still all part of the show.


This makes no sense at all as Webber was not permitted to do the same to Hamilton in the same circumstances.


Uh, he got nothing wrong, do you understand the meaning of cold tyres vs warm tyres, there is a big difference in perfomance, even more when you get out of the pit stop.

Brillant race by Hamilton


Alonso was at Lewis mercy because Lewis had two laps of heat in his tires while Alonso had just exited the pits with completely cold tires. He had no chance against Hamilton if he (Hamilton) was willing to chance a outside pass on that corner. Hamilton took the chance, the rest is history. a magnificent drive by Hamilton.


My point was that I felt that Alonso should have done more to defend, as Hamilton had done on the previous lap. And to answer your question, I could spend all day talking about the manner in which the physical properties of rubber compounds vary with temperature!

Valerie Barnard

What would be the point of Alonso frantically trying to defend his position against a charging (fully-up-to-race-speed) Hamilton when he (Alonso) was fully aware that he wouldn't be as quick as the McLaren for at least another half a lap and that any tussles with the 'bull in a china shop' Hamilton would probably prove unproductive and possibly 'dangerous'.

Clearly Alonso made a logical decision at that crucial moment of his race and was not prepared to risk Hamilton pushing him off the track or ramming into his Ferrari (something he invariably does when attempting to overtake or defend his position??).

Hamilton's recent slightly more cautious but still overly-aggressive approach and sometimes borderline 'dirty' tactics are obviously being encouraged by certain people who are (and have been) desperately trying to defend his past actions and vindicate his numerous 'gaffes' earlier in the season (and in other seasons it has to be said?).

Hamilton seriously believes that he's the best racing driver in the World (according to Martin Whitmarsh) and that he's invincible but sooner or later it's going to be him who comes off worst from some of his 'go-for-it-at-any-cost' moves and his 'victims' who will go on unscathed to finish the race!

Alonso in this instance preferred to take his chances and try to regain his position later in the race and if he wasn't able to then he would philosophically resign himself to a lower podium rather than lose those substantial (and much-needed) points.

In other words Fernando Alonso doesn't feel a madcap and frenzied need to try and prove himself on (or off) the track. Yet that doesn't mean he's not a tenacious and unflinching racing driver who will stop at nothing to win his third Drivers' Championship (with and for Ferrari).

Two of Alonso's greatest strengths are his patience and perseverance. He goes about his business with a quiet confidence and modest demeanour and has always been able to hold his head up high. It's much more important to him not to have any wagging fingers pointing in his direction or question marks about how he wins his triple crown when he wins it. And he assuredly and deservedly will win it - purely on merit and the quality and excellence of his racing 'skills'!!


Well Webber tried the same move a lap earlier on Hamilton and didnt work out... so its not only the "cold tyre" excuse..


watch F1 for a bit and notice the difference between how a ferrari and mclaren perform in the first phase of stint on tyres.

and theres your answer. plus lewis was much closer anyway and was pretty much past before the turn.

& alonso isnt going to run someone clean off the road for no reason. He is still trying to win the title also.


I was just going to say the same remark that Holly has. That was a normal pass considering Alonso´s cold tyres vs Hamilton warm tyres. And, Alonso did not obstructed the maneover in any way. No nap at all, no risk at all. Brilliant were both, Alonso's and Hamilton races's.


Kristiane, their cars did not touch on every replay I saw.


Re: Wayne, as James mentioned, Hammy gave Webb a little 'nudge', which strictly speaking is forbidden, a little dirty driving if you ask me.

Alonso didn't attempt to hit anyone, rather he bagged in a whole load of priceless points and drove with his brains than pure aggression


I didn't comment on the quality of Hamilton's pass, and never used the word 'nap'.


err, ok, how come Hamilton stopped Webber from passing him then in exactly the same situation if it was such a 'done deal'? The op is correct - it was a brilliant pass by Hamilton, it really is that simple.



Completely agree. Brilliant drives by both, someone had to win and someone had to be second.

The Show Must Go On.


Excellent race, epic fight between the top 3. Well done Hamilton.

Feel sorry for Massa, he did deserve 4th place.


sorry for the mistake...meant to say 'Agreed..he did it all on the track but then to lose it in the pits like that was a shame'


Yes, a very poor pit stop for Ferrari although Massa braked way to early compared with Vettel.

It was great having this aerial footage at such a crucial moment of the race.


Agreed...did it all to lose it it the pit


Good race by Kobayashi, considering how slow the Sauber was in testing and qualifying. He made up loads of places at the start and easily overtook anything that wasn't a McLaren, Red Bull, Ferrari or Mercedes (there was a glimpse of him passing Maldonado on the TV feed).

After a somewhat promising start, the development of the Sauber seems to have fallen behind, especially compared to Mercedes. I hope James Key and co have a surprise for us - Kobayashi really needs a better car. 🙁


I had the same thought during the race. What a great start he made.

Didn't Kobayashi gain six places to 12th on the first lap?

I would love to see what he could do in a better car.

It was one of those race that was very exciting at the front and in the midfield.

Even at the back, I was surprised to see Ricciardo finishing ahead of Chandhok despite the gravel trap incident.


I think the Sauber cars would have benefited the most from the blown exhaust regs - they were relatively very competitive in Silverstone. No surprise they were the team rejecting the return to early season regs.

I predict they will now fall back to into the mid field pack for qualifying for the season. The Merc powered cars will get better. Maybe Sauber might do a one-off special engine/aero upgrade for Koby's home GP.

Koby really needs to improve quali consistency if they want any hope of finishing P7 or higher.

One thing's for sure, Sauber must hold onto Key (aero), Koby (racecraft) & Perez (pace & Slim $) next season.


It was nice to see him maintain his high % of finishes in the top 10. If Perez can be a little more consistent next year, and with a bit more care performance, they could make Renault and Mercedes look decidedly mediocre.


It's called a lack of budget and manpower. The midfield teams are always generally closer to the front at the start of the season and then fall back when the top teams outdevelop them.


I suppose I'm just a little disappointed that Sauber started off the season being on equal footing with Mercedes and Force India, and now they're fighting it out with Williams and Torro Rosso.

And I agree with J - if anything, the strategists at Sauber have been doing an excellent job this season. Apart from Valencia (which was a rare slip-up by the team), they've been punching way above their weight.

However, the whole "being easy on tyres" seems to put the Sauber out of sync with the rest of the field - it qualifies poorly but stays out longer on a set of tyres. It's like an endurance racer pitted against a field full of sprinters.


To be honest James Key has done really well to make the Sauber stand out in terms of being easy on its tyres and that's the main reason why they are doing as well as they are this season. Even Kobayashi admitted his points finish today was down to the strategy and not the car's pace.


Brilliant race! Great drive by the top three. Interesting that vettels ability to overtake on the track is still absent. Can't help but think if Hamilton was in that red bull, tucked up behind massa at the end, that he wouldve found a way past on the track.


Yeah - the biggest questionmark over Vettel being called 'great' at the end of his career is his ability to pass on the track. That was shown up again today.

He's still miles ahead in the championship. I hope Hamilton and McLaren can translate today's brilliant cold weather performance into hot conditions at the next race. The perhaps we'll have a chance of seeing this championship come alive.

Bad luck for a second race in a row for Button. I'd have loved to see whether his 2-stop strategy could have got him to the finish line ahead of the Massa / Vettel battle.


Maybe this issue with Vettel at overtaking is being taken too far away. He's got the championship already, it's better for him to stay calmed, score as high as he can and don't risk DNF, because that is the only thing that can ruin his championship now. There is no other one able to win massively, cold tracks are for McLaren, hot ones for Ferrari (if any of the two takes some victories from Red Bull, which is far from easy). Even when we all want to think the contrary, the championship is over.


you mean Vettel just try to show his speed, not ability on track.

he has the pressure not to be in front, he try with Alonso and spun as rookie, he try with Massa and overshot at turn 13

he didn't play safe not risking DNF, he have tried but just no ability to do the fight.


As long as we don't have to see that petulantly waved index finger I'm happy to see him win the WDC with midfield results for the rest of season.

Jame's,I have to 2nd anothers comment above & ask why Webber was allowed to overtake Hamilton under yellows at the last chicane re Heidfelds incident ?

Imagine the noise if the players reversed roles eh.


"Can’t help but think if Hamilton was in that red bull, tucked up behind massa at the end, that he wouldve found a way past on the track."

The way he found a way to get around Webber after the first pitstop.


Webber or RB is much faster than the rest about 0.4-0.5 in sector 2 . . that is cusion.

Massa didn't have any sector that he is obviously faster than Vettel.


Webber was a bit quicker than Massa though wasn't he?


There was no need to push that early, all he needed to do was maintain the gap, and he did.


Bizarre comment from Ian C. Clearly Hamilton out raced webber with a completely legal move. Ditto with Alonso. Webber is one of the most honest and outspoken drivers on the grid. If he felt Hamilton was untoward he would have called. Marks post racecomments said it all.


There was no need for Vettel to push at all. Better points for 5th than none if it goes awry.

I know that it's almost impossible for the rest to catch him at this point but I really hope this doesn't turn into a rerun of Button's championship season.


It looked at the start after Ham was already ahead, Webber moved all the way to the right to block out Vettel then all the way back to the left.

I thought the rule was you could move to one side only to block an overtake??


The rule does not apply at the start


Always seems odd it doesn't apply at the start. The weaving rule is there (correct me if I'm wrong) to stop drivers colliding on the straight and having airbourne incidents - surly a much bigger risk at the start when any incidnt will likely collect other cars too.

I suspect with 24 cars all in the same situation its just too damn hard to police at the start.


You are correct, it is not written down... but how can the stewards police it with 24 cars moving around at the start?



The rule about changes of direction does not apply for the start. This seems, in practice anyway, to apply for two or three corners. You cannot weave though.

Great race, eh? I've had 17 emails about it, from around the world.

I think James should have a three way driver of the race. Webber, Alonso and Hamilton were all tremendous today.


Great race indeed. It seems the nature of this Tilke track helps as well. I saw more passes at Turn 1 than I did in the DRS zone.

Great race too from Kobayashi, Shumacher and Massa. Very entertaining.


I've heard more than once this point about the rule about changes of direction not applying at the start of the race.

But I have not been able to find any exception in the rule. From the FIA 2011 Sporting Regulations:



20.2 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted."

Do you know where can I find other rules about this issue?



My understanding, and I look forward to being corrected on this if anyone knows differently, is that the ‘exception’ is by way of an agreement between the GPDA and the FIA.

The incident that generated the rule was brought in is rather interesting. The Canadian GP circuit used to have the exit from the pits between the start/finish line and the first left-hander.

In 98 Michael Schumacher came out of the pits, went across the track and pushed H.H. Frentzen off the circuit. If James will allow a link to YouTube:


I think it needs little comment.

I was a big fan of Frentzen and felt a bit miffed at this, although to be fair, probably somewhat less than him. The stewards gave a post race penalty. What it was is lost in the mists of my memory.

Later in the race MSc tried to overtake a slowing Damon Hill along the straight before the final chicane. Hill moved to the right, then to the left but MSc had so much speed from the tow that he all but breezed past.

The link:


You can make your own minds up as to which was more dangerous.

Post race MSc, supported by Ferrari, complained bitterly about the weaving, suggesting it was uber dangerous. Many fans – particularly those who liked HHF – did not appreciate the irony following MSc’s move on his countryman.

There were arguments but one change of direction became a rule by way of agreement of the GPDA. It was later incorporated into the regulations. However, the kerfuffle at the start was always, by universal acknowledgment, exempted from the two strikes and out bit. This agreement has never been challenged.

Weaving at the start, to block someone or just dangerously, could be penalised and the stewards have acted in cases of avoidable accidents. However, I can’t remember anyone even being criticised for two changes of direction. And quite rightly I think.

The regulations say 'unusual changes of direction'. All over the place at the start is the norm.

Another result of the 98 incidents was a change in the exit from the pits at Canada. We now have the scenic route.

Canada always produces exciting and interesting racing. I love it.


That rule doesn't seem to apply to the Red Bull drivers. Vettel in particular violates it at nearly every start.


What a good race. Maybe the best one yet this season with regards to the front end of the field. Hamilton is surely the man of the day. Alonso should be happy as well, as he also had a great drive. Webber? You get the feeling vetted would had done better, although, his race today shows otherwise. Kobayashi should be mentioned for a good race too. I am starting to think that red bull is on a sliding performance path compare to Ferrari and Mclaren. Good for us if that is so. Next race will hopefully confirm that. Can't wait for your race in depth report James. Thank you for your efforts to bring F1 closer to us. Marc


@marc ..Your comments ..Webber? You aim and give the feeling Vettel would had done better, although, his race today shows otherwise...

People are quick to put Webber down, but vettel NEVER does well when he is behind?(in general). I cannot understand why a 'superkid' struggles, BUT as an old GP follower he really is STILL learning.


I agree Mike, as soon as Vettel is in traffic he's having the same tyre management and passing issues that Webber has been early on in the season. Maybe the RB has an aero weakness in traffic. It seems being out front in clear air for the first few races made Vettel's job much easier and able to control his pace and manage the tyres.... Now that the tyres suit Webber a bit more he's able to outqualify him and suddenly Vettel's the one finishing 40 second behind...


break issues for vettel, you 'forgot' that part.


That didn't really effect him THAT much.

He was following Massa around unable to overtake before and following Massa around unable to overtake after. And with 1 lap to go well after his brakes were back to normal...

he was following Massa around unable to overtake.


So will this put a stop to all the silly season stories that McLaren are out of the championship, the car is terrible and everyone is jumping ship? Fantastic drive by Hamilton today, really top notch performance. His move around Alonso summed up his weekend, he really seems to have been in the groove at this track.

Any one of the podium finishers could have had this race as all drove superb races, once again the tyres adding another dimension to the way the race unfolds.

Shame Button retired, I was looking forward to him, Massa and Vettel challenging for 4th place. Vettel today showed what I've said many times, he is a great driver, but an average racer.

What happened to Chandhok? I expected him to be at the back but why was he so many laps behind?

Hamilton clearly driver of the day to my mind, with Alonso close behind. Special mentions for Sutil and Kobayashi.


If you want a laugh go back and read all the comments from a few posts ago about how Whitmarsh needs to be fired because he's spending too much time on PR.

Where have all the angry villagers gone?


1st. Martin was definitely less infront of the media in Germany and there was much less hype about the car there. I don't even remember a shot of him on the pitwall excepting for the BBC interview after the race with Stefano. So just maybe the flaming actually got him away from the PR and send him back to the engineers and strategists and they got that race right. Lewis said he didn't understand where the pace came from and sort of put it down to the weather - could be he is wrong: what if his boss did some good work with the technical team rather than the marketing team this time round. If they keep like that, as the race winner said, those are the kind of results they can expect.

2nd. The discussions about Martin were about him winning trophies not races. Martin's ability to win races was never in doubt. Until he bags a title the discussions about his abilities will not go away just because he wins a race or two every once in a while. This would be normal really - McLaren is the 2nd most valuable team in F1 and among the top 50 sports teams in the whole world (James if you will allow the link http://blogs.forbes.com/kurtbadenhausen/2011/07/12/the-worlds-50-most-valuable-sports-teams/2/); it deserves more than one title in the last ten years.


That's F1. It wasn't just fans here saying that - it was in the mainstream media!


And there a bit like food critics, what do they know?

Rubinho's Keyfob

What a fantastic race - tyres and DRS didn't seem to be quite so intrusive or obvious as at some of the earlier races, but still a huge amount of wheel-to-wheel action. Keep the German GP here next year if this is what we can expect ...

"Shame Button retired, I was looking forward to him, Massa and Vettel challenging for 4th place.".

Yes, me too. I was gutted when that happened just after he'd passed Petrov - he was definitely on the hunt for P4 and I was just settling down to watch that one unfold 😀

"Vettel today showed what I’ve said many times, he is a great driver, but an average racer.".

I'm in that camp also. He can no doubt drive a car very fast when that's all he has to worry about. It's his racecraft that's lacking. I have no doubt that some day that will come and then he can be called "great", but as people are pointing out, perhaps not quite yet - it appears he is being gifted a lot of his results at the moment.

Unfortunately for him, it was once again his pit crew who performed his overtake today - so he's doing nothing to silence his critics. Don't get me wrong - I'd have no problem with P4 for Vettel today and I'd even have no problem with yet another win - but I want to see that as a result of action on the track. Proper racing moves, driver on driver, class and bravado showing through. In that position, in that car, I'd have no doubt that the likes of Hamilton, Alonso, Kobayashi or Kubica would have made that pass on the track a long time before the pit stop forced the issue.

I suspect that this is one of the things that really rankles with Lewis - he is out there fighting hard for his results and people are even criticising him for it, and then he looks over at what Seb is having to do to get all those wins and it just doesn't make sense to him.


I just cannot follow along with this 'Vettel' cannot race notion.

In 10 races, he has one 'off day' and finishes fourth. That is championship-winning race strategy. Bring the car home and collect points for the championship.

As if the other nine races, where he finished not lower than second place, happened accidentally.

If this 'so called' lack of race driving skill held true, Webber would be much closer than he is.

Driver of the day is a coin-flip between Adrian and Kamu, both of whom out drove their cars and their team mates.

But you have to appreciate the improvements made to the McLaren, Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes cars. Each for different reasons, looked very good on the Hockenheim track with is quite promising for the second half of the season.

Special mention goes to Heidfeld who was looking snappy before getting punted.


Andrew C.


Alonso driver of the day no doubt! 😉


can't comments like this just be moderated out please, James ... this is a youtube comment.


It was a perfectly serious point. That some people can truly believe that anyone other than Hamilton was the most outstanding driver in yesterday's race beggars belief!


why is he driver of the day


Because he wants to think so. Others who saw the race, think otherwise 😉


He wasn't, check the smiley.

Mind you, just as I thought, 10% of the poll thought he was!!


Well I voted for Hamilton too as over the weekend he did a remarkable qualifying lap and a very good race. Agressive but not over agressive like in some of the previous races.

However I can understand people voting for Alonso too. He was 4th on the grid and still managed to almost win the race. If the Ferrari team would have called him in the lap after Hamilton switched to the harder tyre things would have been really close because the first lap from Hamilton on hard tyres was not that great. From that perspective maybe he was the best driver of the day.


Good race in terms of:

1) Wheel to wheel racing at its best.

2) Actual overtaking, without the aid of the DRS which can cause artificial racing.

3) A glimmer hope to the championship battle since Vettel spun off early on.


Great GP.

Driver of the race - Hamilton.


Huge Webber fan but congratulations to Lewis and McLaren. Definately the driver of the weekend. Pretty good weekend for Ferrari too. I was glued to the TV the whole time. Really exciting race. Had a little laugh when Mark gave Fernando a ride home. I can't remember the last time I saw that.It was once quite common. Great GP 🙂

Grayzee (Australia)

I remember the Mansell/senna ride in '92.

I recall the action was outlawed after that on safety grounds. I hope they don't get penalised!

I wonder, if, had that been Vettel and not Alonso, would Mark have stopped and given him a lift.............hmmmm


of course he would...their team mates...right?? right???...well maybe there was a car or two in between so mark couldn't safely stop..right?...mark could have been looking the other way and didn't see him...right???

the mind boggles but ...i think he would...????


Coulthard giving mika a ride in the spanish gp... ithink in 2001?

Rubinho's Keyfob

"Had a little laugh when Mark gave Fernando a ride home."

Yes, and not strictly allowed by the current rules. Neither was Lewis jumping the barrier to celebrate before being weighed ...

I'm still half expecting to wake up tomorrow to find they've all been penalised and Vettel actually won ... 😀 😀


I'm sure the FIA enjoyed seeing Mark giving Fernando a ride home, I feel that's a lot of respect between the drivers even though they fight bitterly on track. That's the best part of the GP I enjoyed the most.


Well said, i think a lot of people thought the same. Sometimes the best things that can happen are lost in todays 'safety/correct' thinking.

Gee, it looked good and brought back memories of many similar situations.


I believe this was Mark's strategy in the interest of Harmony. Not only did he try to have himself DQ'd, he also dragged Fernando in on it too. He couldn't have known Lewis would jump the fence to give Sebastian the win.

Well played Mark 😉


Good to see no one got penalised by the nanny state.

It felt a bit like MotoGP (or how it should be).


Vettel finishes 47s behind Lewis. Even if the top 3 were given 30s penalties, it wouldn't have made a difference to the result.


Schumacher gave Fisichella a lift back at Hockenheim 1997.


Mansell and Senna in 1993... Can't remember which race...


British GP


Sorry, 1992...


Schumacher and Fisi in 1998 did the same. Schumi gave Fisi a "lift" to the parc ferme after the race.

Mike from Medellin, Colombia

Superb. This is one that the Hamilton Haters can't take away from him in any respect whatsoever.

Won the race in the third fastest car.

Vettel once again proved that his racecraft is not up there with the best.


It was a great drive by Hamilton and a well-deserved win, but he didn't have the third-fastest car today. He had the fastest car, the Ferrari was second fastest and the Red Bull third fastest. Hamilton set the fastest lap, he had the fastest package, not that it takes anything away from his win, it was fantastic.


If he had the fastest car then he would have been on pole, Simple as that.


Although, it's not as simple as that is it. Qualifying pace and race pace are two totally different things, as Red Bull have demonstrated this year. For example, Alonso was third fastest in qualifying at Silverstone, yet blatantly had the fastest race car, highlighted buy the fact he romped away at 0.5-1s per lap in the dry.


+ 1

Hamilton had the car and used it perfectly.

Ferrari 2nd, RBR 3rd.


mclaren was fasest car in the race, like in 3 others races, what are you on about?

rbr had the 3rd fastest car today, again, in the race.

you guys confuse quali pace with race pace.


But Hamilton is NOT in the third fastest car. The McLaren has had its up and down but this weekend, Hamilton has been right at the 'pointy end'. And with the cold weather, he delivered, with the team, a great Sat and Sun result. Hamilton's first and third sector times were , generally, quicker than Alonso and Webber through the race. Whilst you may be a Hamo supporter, he drove a great race in what was the best car on the day..simple really.


agree, The McLaren was the car to have this weekend with the proper set up button seemed to have got it wrong even before the failure Maybe he banked on more rain in his choices. Goes to show how close the top teams are

Mike from Medellin, Colombia

So, what happened to Button? Either he was very slow or the McLaren was. And please don't mention set-up.

The McLaren was the third fastest car today. Hamilton turned it into the fastest with his own performance.


Bit of a bay day for Jenson yesterday. He seems to, and has for many years, really struggle on tyre warmup issues when the temp is low. You'll recall he had some issues even in his WDC year on tyre warmup.

Lewis is more aggressive in the car, which I can only assume gets the tyres up quicker.

Quite a lot of JBs issues at the start were just being mugged by drivers who got up to temp quicker.

He was starting to come back into it when he had his hydraulic issues.



It was set-up.......then hydraulic failure.


Hamilton is harder on the tires. In the cold that's a good thing because he gets them warmed up quicker.

The McLaren was really fast today.


[I vote Hamilton as Driver of the Day, but] I'm not so sure he was driving the third fastest car, especially re the cold track conditions and the difficulties for the Ferraris to warm up their tyres.


Great to see Mclaren and Lewis back at the top of their game. Hopefully there will be plenty more wins for them to come.


Vettel was a dissapointment .... he struggled to get past Massa .. if he is not in the front row .. he is in trouble ....!


Fully agree. I think that many of us are wandering how a good racer Vettel is. He is fast, probably the fastest, but F1 is not only about driving fast laps in Qualy...


I do not remember any pass in this race from the drivers of the top 3 team from a Massa Vettel situation. (Only expection is Alonso's move on Vettel on the main straight).

Hamilton passed Webber at the start then after a pit stop situation as did with Alonso.

I do not want to play down Hamilton's move today but I think Vettel would/could make the same in the same situation.

In the other hand the race pace is looked to be at the same level for the top 3 teams today which makes overtaking hard.

Anyway I am wondering if Red Bull have the outright speed to be in position to pass in the straights. Renault engine?


agree with your comments about Red Bull's lack of straightline speed. Lap after lap Vettel would open his DRS on the straight but the gap to Massa remained the same. It was the same reason he couldn't pass Hamilton in the last race. That car is seriously lacking on the straights. It was Alonso v Petrov at AbuDhabi 2010 all over again.


Let me correct my first sentence:

I do not remember any pass in this race from the drivers of the top 3 team from a Massa Vettel situation which was made stick. (Only expection is Alonso’s move on Vettel on the main straight).


Did you happen to miss when Hamilton repassed Webber soon after Webber passed him?


I too want to see Vettel really put these 'can't race' attacks to bed, but its the wrong point in the season. At Silverstone and today he was faced with a stark choice - take home a bundle of points, or potentially lose all the points. If he'd crashed trying to overtake we'd all be calling him impetuous and the 'crash-kid' again.

Personally I remember his out lap in Barcelona. He needed to ace it to stay in front of Hamilton. He came out in traffic and did Button, Massa and Schumacher in one lap - which IMHO won him the race. Yes, his new tyres made him massivly quicker, but he just nailed all of them.

That for me was the lap of a true racer. Hopefully in future when he is at a point in the season where he needs to attack we'll see more of it so he can really challenge his doubters. But right now he'd be stupid to throw it all away just to stop some people saying he can't race.


Fully agreed Chris. Why should Vettel risk his championship by doing an risky overtake, he's not in the position that Hamilton or Alonso is due to their standings in the championship. Look at the criticism Hamilton received for doing daring overtaking manouvres, some of which did'nt pay off this year. Vettel is leading the championship with a healthy margin and is a smart kid. Why throw it away? I'm glad common sense prevail with some of the posters on here.


@ Chris

'faced with a stark choice' Overtake & crash, or sit there waiting for a pit-stop & hope you're quicker.

Blimey, I thought this was supposed to be motor racing, not Health & Safety risk assessment.


The stark choice that you talk about is for every driver..no matter what possition they are.

If every driver will prefer to maintain their position instead of attacking and going for that gap that Senna was talking..then this sport would not exist.

Stop finding excuses for Vettel. He will show in future races if he can drive from the middle of the pack and if he's as good as some think he is. Until then we look at the facts and the facts are that he got all those points by driving at the front. In last 2 races he was faced with the situation when he had to overtake some cars and he wasn't able to do it.

In last 2 races, his pit crew team got the position, not Vettel.

My 2 cents!


The weather will decide it!

The McLaren is much stronger in cold conditions, if the next few races are cooler they will benefit as they warm up their tyres much quicker (as evidenced by Hamiltons pass on Alonso).

If the track conditions are warmer at the next few races, tyre wear may become an issue for McLaren again and Ferrari/Redbull will probably be stronger.


What's the ruling wrt fuel levels at the end of a race? Will Alonso be penalised for not having enough fuel to get back to parc ferme?


The second time this season Vettel has raced in the pack and he looked almost amateurish at times. You would never see Lewis or Fernando being that much slower than their teammates without a real problem with their cars.There is a def difference in class there!


Lewis is god. Without him formula one will not be formula one. The battle vettel-massa confirm that the german driver is not a really good racer but we all know that he is an extremely good leader. I think that Lewis and Fernando are still in top of Vettel.

Mike from Medellin, Colombia

That is why Marko was too afraid of putting Hamilton in the Red Bull.

Big mistake by Horner and Marko to think that they could extrapolate Vettel's results over the next 3 years. Marko should have grabbed Lewis when he could and let go of his obsession over having a German driver win in what a global sport.


Firstly, great win to Hamilton. Really pushed hard when needed, shut Webber out on the 'out lap' yet jumped Alonso on his out lap. Great forceful driving of a 'racer'. Webber starts are really hurting. Looking at BBC replay, what is it with the revs dropping on Webbers car just before the lights go out??..and the second phase of his start just doesn't happen. Webbers second set of softs also didn't work and he lost lots of time to leaders. But i found the race great for the first 20 laps with top 3 close by. Vettel, suddenly, looked very '''average''' for a WDC, and i felT sorry for Massa in the end. Massa deserved better. It's a pity Vettel has such a lead, since the folLowing 3 will produce a cracking finish in the second half to the WDC..No doubt, Hamilton driver of meet!


Massive mystery. HOW can Webber be so consistently poor at lights out? Should be am obvious question, begging an answer. Insight please??



Can you help us understand Webber start today?


Seems like the revs dipped just before he dropped the clutch, so he bogged down on getaway. Then Mercedes KERS will have helped Hamilton to consolidate


I hope people don't turn this into a vettel bashing and instead celebrate the great drives from lewis, fernando and mark. Loved the race even though I am a Ferrari fan. Still no way the championship is not vettels but which is a shame as the races this year have been mega.


That was a cracking race. The first three drivers, all with reputations of not giving any quarter, were within sight of one-another for the majority of the race.

Despite hoping for rain this morning I was dreading it coming at 1/3rd distance.

The main overtakes were down to ability and not DRS/KERS. Temperature played an important part, but the circuit was the real victor.

I felt for Massa but it kept the thrills coming right up until the final lap.

There were some remarkable drives all down the field.

Valencia aside (and probably Hungary it must be said) this season has been really thrilling but for me Germany was the best, Canada notwithstanding.

It was pleasant to see the team principals being part of the entertainment without getting the stewards involved, Alonso's rejection of taking the easy way out with the questioning at the post race interview with regards why he could not challenge and, dare I say it as McLaren fan, their tactics proving superior.

A thoroughly enteretaining race. I was exhausted at the end of it.

Driver of the race? That's a difficult one. Good performances from many. Lewis' overtake around the outside was one of the highlights for me.

Well done F1.


You've summed it up very well. A fantastic race. Thanks god it didn't rain, no matter what the predictions were, so we had a real race, not a lottery game.

Driver of the race? No doubt it must be Lewis... and you know I'm not especially a fan of his, but hi produced a superb race. Typical Hamilton's aggressiveness, pushing to the limit, a great start, fantastic overtaking... what else?


Surely you've got something bad to say about him?? I agree though, the top 3 were AMAZING!!!

Thomas, Calgary

What a great race. Hamilton is back in the grove.

James, what is the point in forcing teams to use both types of tire? I'd rather have seen Vettel pass Massa on the track than that last lap pit stop race.

Let the teams adopt whatever tire strategy they want. This is a rule that should be dropped.


It’s simple. When there were two manufacturers (Michelin and Bridgestone) there was an element of unpredictability and change at each race because inevitably one tire was better suited to some tracks than the other. There was also great competiveness between the two manufacturers. Then Michelin dropped out, so to maintain the spectacle, the two tire formula was hatched.

Competitiveness between multiple tire manufacturers was flatly rejected by the FIA in favor of dumbed-down tires to increase the number of pitstops, thus increasing the spectacle even more. Hence, the introduction of the 10-lap Pirellis that stir up the action much like a clown does in a circus.

If you ask me, I’d much prefer the natural competitiveness that arises from having two manufacturers to the synthetic spectacle that F1 has become. F1 should be about the pinnacle of engineering in motorsport, not the de-engineering of parts to increase the excitement. If raw excitement is what you want, check out some demolition derby videos on Youtube.

Don’t get me started on the other gimmicks like KERS and DRS.


I can't put anything agInst Pirelli, they have a tire that everyone in f1 agreed to. In terms of tire makers...Michelin dropped, and then Bridgestone dropped.

As for strategy, im ok with requiring 2 compounds, but...let us have refueling. We all know they avoid the hard. But what if they could start light, the hards could be competitive.


Don't get ME started on self righteous purists. Was today a bad race? Was Canada a bad race? No. You are talking nonsense. If you are so anti gimmics I guess you either slept through the seasons from 81-98 or you are too young to remember turbos, or a decade of anti-Schumacher regulations. JUst suck it up, this is F1, love it like the rest of us or stop watching it.


Suck it up, this is a community of people free to express their own (sometimes differing) opinions. Love it like the rest of us or stop posting and reading here.

But since you mentioned it, I loved the turbos and flexibility of engine configuration in the mid-80s! It didn't dumb-down the car, and yes it *DID* improve the spectacle, IMHO. Passing people by pushing buttons on the steering wheel might give you a rush, but it doesn't excite me.


I completely agree! That rule is a mystery to me as well.


So my Driver of The Day (and of the Weekend) has to be Lewis. He drove a perfect lap yesterday, to get all the possible performance out of his car. Then he did a perfect start, and managed superbly throughout all the race. His overtake over Fernando was remarkable.

I don't agree that Lewis "...really caught Alonso napping". IMHO, Fernando had an issue warming up his tyres, and Hamilton had his in good condition after two laps when he moved to overtake him. So I think Fernando could hardly do any other thing than trying to defend his position.

At the end of the day, we have a very interesting second half of the season ahead, with three teams with competitive cars. Sadly, the advantage for Seb is so huge...

Zobra Wambleska

I think you're right, Seb pretty much has it sewn up for this year, but we can still really enjoy the second half if we just look at it as 2011, part II. There should be some stellar racing and who knows maybe Seb will finally get a chance to prove he can race. At the very least, let's hope he gets to practice his race craft among the madding crowd midfield.


Something off topic here James, I really love your new site 🙂


"Alonso pitted a lap later and came out ahead of Hamilton, but he pulled off the pass around the outside of Turn 2 which Webber had failed to make on him. It was a classic Hamilton move and really caught Alonso napping."

Alonso didn´t force Hamilton off-track like Hamilton did to Webber with a questionable move. And it didn´t caught Alonso napping, he caought him with cold tyres.


Alonso couldn't force Hamilton off the track because he didn't see this move coming and was therefore caught napping. Hamilton caught him by surprise, simple as that.

I liked the sign of respect that Alonso gave Hamilton after they had crossed the line - a little thumbs up before t1 as they were slowing down.


I can't imagine a more tense moment than undercutting your rivals and trying desperately to keep the position when they are comming for you with the tyres in perfect temperature, it is the only thing you are thinking on. Besides, the car reacted badly when coming into turn 2, but, please, stop the napping thing because it makes me laugh! 😀 Cheers


+1 ... and for once don't quite agree with James, Hamilton's tires were fully warmed up and ferrari have issue warming up their tyres and more so on such a chilly day... but pitting 2 laps after webber for the first round of pit stops was questionable for me. Ferrari could have pitted the following lap, that way they could have jumped Hamilton and Alonso would have been second and he could have built on from there.

I think Ferrari could have clearly won the race, they blew their chances today. But yeah Alonso could have been more ruthless on his outlap like Hamilton.


Lewis Hamilton

'The most complete driver in F1'


If they all had the same cars and you had to pick just a single driver of the current field to back for the win - and your home or something very precious depended on it - there is no question I would pick Lewis. No hesitation. End of.


If I had to pick just a single driver for a single race, I would probably pick Lewis.

If I had to make a decision for a whole season - same cars etc. - I would probably pick Fernando.

Anyway, I would always hesitate between both of them. No one else IMO.


Fair comment.


he is the best full stop.It is hard to admit for you Alonso fans but it is the fact.


"he is the best full stop"

Great argument, mate.

As Ash would say, LOL.


I love them both like sons. Don't make me pick. Alonso is amazing, he's like a tsunami, constant and unflinching. Hamilton is a lightning bolt, he comes out of nowhere and lights up the sky. We need them both. Anyone who lived through seeing someone so out of their depth as Mika racing against Schu will be loving having 4 WDC's + Webber this season. Roll on 2012


Well said


I think Lewis is a great driver. He does things in the car that seb and fernando can't do. But he also does some stupid silly rash things that fernando and seb would never do. They will both over time be more consistent that Hamilton. Witness the amount of total messes Hamilton made some weekends in 07 and 08 in the fastest car.


You're referencing things that happened in the first 2-years of his career. Vettel certainly made ample mistakes early in his career and so did Alonso.


"without safety car problems in 08 massa would have been world champion quite easily."

With so many if's included, Takumo Sato also could have easily won the WDC in 2008 in 2008!

Lewis fully deserved the WDC in 2008 and you cannot take that away. Without the help from FIA that Massa received suach as Spa 2008 and few others that year), Hamilton would have wrapped up the 2008 WDC long before Brazil.


ash i stick by what i said. lewis's peak performances will be slightly better than fernando's and sebs but will make much more mistakes over the course of a season even in the best car as germany 07 brazil 07 china 07 bahrain 08 canada 08 france 08 japan 08 italy 08 prove. without safety car problems in 08 massa would have been world champion quite easily.


'Witness the amount of total messes Hamilton made some weekends in 07 and 08 in the fastest car'

Like Alonso in Canada 07 & Japan 07.

Are you sure you want to go down this road?

Lewis in 07 and 08 showed maturity, supreme driving abilty and mental strength of the highest grade in beating Alonso in his rookie year on tracks he’s never raced on with no F1 experience.

You cannot change this Irishcon lol - get over it mate!!!


May I add... "During this weekend".


Lewis drove awesome today but don't talk nonsense mate. See Malaysia Monaco and Canada for proof of that. He is awesome on his day but won't ever be the complete allrounder and consistency of alonso.


@ Irishcon

How about 2007 for real proof of complete allround consistency mate.

Same equipment, same team, you know the rest mate - lol!!!


Oh, yes... the 2007 - golden argument for everything. It's been 4 years now! Things have changed. Since then, both drivers proved they are great as well as provided us with lots of arguments for and against them. Can we please drop the 2007 rhetoric finally and concentrate od 2011? That'd be a bit more reasonable and up-to-date, making much more sense IMHO. Thank you 🙂



Drop the 'lol' and you may get some respect yourself. As Webber pointed out, looking at the situation in Norway, it really puts things in perspective...It's a sport here, we all enjoy it, lets not get carried away with emotions.


Ahh No!!!...When things go his way he is great but he loses it far too quickly when things go against him. I am sure we get all the LH supporters proclaiming the confirmation of the greatest GP driver....but....he is still not Alonso level...


@ Mike J

Well we all know what happens when Alonso doesn't get his own way don't we - lol!!!

'he is still not Alonso level'

but Lewis BEAT him fair and square, according to the rules and regulations in 2007 with equal machinery in the same team, on tracks Lewis had never raced on before in his very 1st year in F1 - not emotion but factual information.

In reference to Alonso today, for example he made a mistake letting Vettel through in the 1st place and got caught out by Hamilton on the outside, coming out the pits....

Different level, you sure?

I heard of no sense but don't talk nonsense - please...


'Firtsly i was responding to the original post which i am entitled to have an opinion on'

Ok Mike - Lol!!!

'Get over it!! Now is now'

Well, if now is now, Alonso just got another lesson from Lewis.

'Alonso does seem to handle situations better ‘overall’'

Based on what Mike?

'the Ferrari really struggles on the out lap, Hamilton took advantage'

Like Webber tried to take advantage of Lewis, but Lewis shut the door firmly on the same corner in the same situation on cold tyres - it's called racecraft.


Firtsly i was responding to the original post which i am entitled to have an opinion on. Whether you like it or not is not the theme on this site. This site has always been one for great info exchange, not a fanboy site which you may find more interesting.

i take unbridge to your 'nonsense' statement. After watching F1 since 1969, i also have a right to my opinion. sorry to upset an obvious Hamilton supporter however i am not either supporting Hamilton or Alonso however i greatly respect both of them, they both provide enormous skills and entertainment..

I am always amazed how people keep going on and on about things 'years' ago when conditions, drivers, team and thinking were/have changed. Get over it!! Now is now, that is what we are commenting on.

Both drivers are brilliant however i stand by my comments. Alonso does seem to handle situations better 'overall'. Both are fast and aggressive when needed and Hamilton has had a difficult season.

Lastly, as commented in other posts, the Ferrari really struggles on the out lap, Hamilton took advantage, rightly on this, but its not the best 'be all and end all' move ever made, just a move any top F1 driver would attempt and most likely 'make'


brilliant race, well done lewis alonso and Webber(has to convert his pole positions)

one race doesn't make vettel a bad racer, everyone has a bad day at the office. still leading the championship.


Although most people realize this. There will be a very vocal few will beat that drum with great zeal for the next week.


It pains me to say it but Hamilton did a great job. It was obvious to me from Q3 yesterday that he had great pace. If Pirelli are making their tyres more durable it will benefit him because I don't think tyre management is his forte.

I expected Ferrari to go backwards with the v cold track temps. If the unseasonable weather really did effect them and they still managed a close 2nd it bodes well for them - Red Bull are being reeled in and Mclaren are usually up-and-down between the drivers.

Webber was a lot stronger than Vettel this weekend but still only finished a place ahead. Typical aussiegrit luck!

What's fascinating now is how Vettel responds to the pressure. Forget the points lead - he won't like losing!


Pirelli say their tyres are exactly the same, ie their durability in this race was due to the cold track temperatures. I think more durable "softer" tyres would benefit Webber more...


good thing you let them have their defusers back, huh ferrari?


Fabulous race!

One question - I thought there had to be enough fuel in the car at the end of the race to provide a sample to the FIA.

Has it become clear if Ferrari stopped Alonso on track because they were actually completely out of fuel or because they weren't going to have enough fuel for the sample if they didn't?


There will be WAY over 1l in residuals in the bafflesl. Result stands.


Fantastic result for Lewis . The King is back!


Good to see Alonsos car had enough fuel for a sample,and passed, also Webber will not be penalised for giving Alonso a lift back...I see Buemi gets a 5 position grid penalty in hungry, for causing a collision with Hiedfeld...great race today...


Vettel would have done better than Webber? Oh yes he was nearly better .. Only 40 seconds behind Mark..


What a satisfying race,,, Great driving...good stuff from the top 3 drivers...and good battling throughout the field...cannot have asked for a better race....i agree with @Paul H....Seb just cannot do wheel to wheel racing...give him an empty race track ahead and he will nail it though....I enjoyed the race and i hope the 2nd half of the season keeps this sort of spice...don't want a one man / one team championship....F1 in 2011....how can it get any better....they just keep delivering....


Terrific race, what a fight , great race!!

Congratulations to Pirelli they´re doing a great job and they deserve all the credit.

Lewis is Lewis just fantastic drive, the pass on Alonso and no fear in going first to medium tyre, a very deserved win.

Sebastien never seemed to be on the pace this weekend, let´s wait and see if it was an exception or a change in the dominance order.

Again, thanks Pirelli!!


Hamilton's driving today was brilliant it's a s simple as that.

I also think today we all saw just how good Vettel is (or should that be isn't) in traffic!! The guy can't overtake, Hamilton & probably Webber would have got by Massa.


Great race, the only blot on the whole thing was that Ferrari messed up Massa's stop and gave Vettel one extra position. I've nothing against Vettel, but in the interests of the championship it would have been nice if he'd got fewer points.

McLaren were much more competitive than people, and indeed themselves, expected. They said the cold temperatures helped them, which makes sense seeing as they were beaten comfortably in Valencia, which had the same engine maps as Nurburgring.

Ferrari are looking quite handy if they don't work as well in cold temperatures yet still beat both Red Bulls with Alonso and finished close behind Hamilton.

Red Bull - no idea what's happening there, other than the others have caught up. If Hamilton or Alonso have a chance in the title they need Button and Webber beating the Red Bulls as well. As great as today was for Hamilton and Alonso pace wise, the reality is that Vettel can pretty much finish 4th every race and win the title.


Webber is a Red Bull driver did you mean Massa?


Yeah, that was a mistake, I meant Massa. Could also do with one Vettel DNF to really fire up Hamilton and Alonso as well.


Or maybe 3 DNF's ; )


Awesome race today by Lewis, Fernando, and Mark. Interesting to hear Mr Horner say that his drivers are free to race each other before the race today, seems that his drivers are equal but one is more equal than the other. However, Mark is a far better alround driver than Seb, no wonder then that Mark was told to hold station at Silverstone.


Great racing today by the top 3 drivers. Hamilton has been good all weekend and took a deserved win today.

Taking nothing away from Hamiltons performance, have to disagree that he "caught Alonso napping". Its well known Ferrari has issues warming its tyres, it looked like Alonso was struggling on cold tyres, and there was little he could do. Thought Hamiltons re-pass on Webber was more impressive.

Vettel had a poor race, and again raised questions about his racing in the pack and overtaking ability. However he is still very young and has plenty of time to improve his racecraft, but still can't rate him as highly as Lewis or Fernando yet.


Great race with a lot of fight, and not necesarily DRS-aided :)). Hamilton pass on Alonso was good, but I wouldn't get overexcited with it - Alonso had cold tyres and clearly didn't want to be too agressive (with Webber close behind too, not such a bad decision). I wouldn't call it napping as I think EJ suggested on BBC. I'm sure Alonso was anything but napping when exiting the pits with the awareness that Hamilton was just behind ;). Lewis's defence from Webber after his pit was a much better move by Lewis.

I'm very disappoited with Vettel though - seeing him in the traffic, I was waiting for hom to prove that the "very fast, not a good racer" label is wrong, but he didn't. I'm sure he will prove it sooner or later, but for now, he still needs to work on his overtaking.

And sorry for Massa, he did great keeping Vettel behind for so long only to lose it in the pits...


A great race up and down the field with many drivers playing their part.

F1 back on top.


its bit unfair to say alonso was caught napping .... everyone knows how foolish lewis can be at overtaking ....even he pushed webber wide, alonso just let it go ..


Hamilton wasn't overtaking Webber... I can't recall him being in many accidents when being overtaken, the better overtakers tend to respect others when getting passed as they recognise the situation and don't just turn in for the sake of it.


so it was hamilton's reputation of being reckless driver that gave im n1 spot rather than alonso being caught napping.I guess they all move when Lewis comes behind 'cos he is such a bad and dangerous overtaker.


Hahahaha +!1

No-one moves for Lewis. He is the best overtaker in the business. Him and Fernando are in a different league to Seb/Mark/JB.

Fernando and Lewis are the best drivers I have seen since Schumi and Senna. And I've been wasting Sundays on this nonsense for over 2 decades!


Agreed Don. On their day Hamilton and ALonso are the best of the current drivers. Simply electrifying.

There is a lot of talk on Koby and others with passing but history will tell if they make it in the harder years after their 'rookie' year.


Fabulous race!

Good stuff from the start to the end. I feel sorry for Massa, he drived good and deserved 4th place. Shame on Ferrari pit crew. They have to up their game.

Looking forward to next weekend!


Hamilton was awesome today. Great drive by Sutil, Kobayashi too. I must say, Mercedes were really disppointing, again. I loved seeing a Grand Prix on that circuit again, and what a great race. I remember when it felt like part of the new generation of circuits, now it seems like a throwback!


Its clear now that RBR's performance advantage at the front has been offset by both technical changes and the developmental efforts of McLaren and Ferrari.

From a championship perspective, Vettel's points advantage at present inhibits the likelihood of a two-way battle for the championship as both Alonso and Hamilton are both on a roll--and there is every chance of these two taking points of eachother in the remaining races.


What a race. He may not be the most consistent driver, but Lewis is a pleasure to watch and always ensures excitement, certainly when tangling with his old friend Fernando.

What becomes painfully clear is that we have, and may have again, a world champion who cannot overtake, even in this time of tyres, DRS and KERS. SV can only seem to win if he starts first and overtaking is done in the pit lane.

Well done Lewis! Well done Fernando!


did anybody notice the snippy remark from lewis about his pass on alonso? Where alonso gave him credit. The only thing worse than a sore loser is a bad winner.


I hope you aren't saying "It felt great" was a snippy comment. Of course he's going to be elated to make a race winning pass on the drivers he considers to be his best opposition.


There is no love lost between these two, I prefer it like this as it makes the drama even more appealing when they are going at it on track.

This is what gives it the edge and if you look at the F1 legends, it's very hard to say they were close mates or had something good to say about each other, regardless on weather they drove for the same team or an opponents.

A sport without emotions or baddies is one thats not played at all. It also creates something for us to talk about...I say more of it cause it makes good TV.


Some of us prefer the sport to the show, even when we watch F1. We watch it because is the top motor sport, not because of driver being enemies of each other...


Hi San,

It goes down to user preference. We all don't like the same things.


unfortunately i don't think hamilton's let 2007 go, which is a shame as everytime he brings up alonso it just comes across really childish whereas alonso seems to have moved and sees his competitors on equal footing, and gives credit where credits due -even to petrov 🙂


@ James Allen,

I understand KERS seems to be useless in Toro Rosso cars and only intermitently working in RB cars because of overheating. I'm right?


Well, perhaps we're closer to answering the long-pondered question, "can Vettel overtake?" His long stint behind Massa suggests 'no'.

And it seems like more confirmation of the statement, "boy, can Hamilton overtake!" His overtake round the outside of Alonso suggests 'yes'. And to those who say Lewis was on warm tyres, I say, so was Webber when he tried the same move on Hamilton a few laps earlier -- in a faster car.


Brilliant drive from Sutil. Perhaps his best yet in F1? I know he's got better results, a 4th in Monza 2009 and a couple of 5ths but I think this outdoes anything he's done before. I was not expecting him to finish so high but he made the two stopper work beautifully to beat the Mercedes.

He's been impressive lately and has pretty comfortably outscored di Resta this season.

Although it must be said, in previous races he's been at fault himself (as bad as Schumacher at losing his front wing!), these last two di Resta has been unlucky firstly with the pitstop in Silverstone and then Heidfeld here.

Two points all season, no points finish since Malaysia. I hope things turn for him soon.


Vettel was nursing a brake wear issue on the rear side. For those who say he cannot pass, please watch Chinese GP 2011 in which he got past the "mighty" Lewis before the end of first stint on the same set of option tyres. I mean, comeon, he has been doing such a stellar job in qualifying that he doesn't really need to overtake too many people. So it's not his sin that he's qualifying well and that he's not proving to his bashers that he can't overtake. He's anyday better than Mark who couldn't win despite starting from pole for the umpteenth time.


May I offer a kind reminder that Vettel had a far superior car to anybody else on the grid back then?

Mark in Australia

Umpteenth time? I think he has had 8 pole positions. I am no stats hound, but I doubt Marks pole position conversion rate is THAT bad. For sure his starts are not totally electric but look at the other great starters in category. I think Schuy averages 4 or 5 positions this year on the first lap. His results are lightyears away from Marks'.

Great race all round. No one is immune to a bad weekend, as highlighted by JB and SV.


Totally agree Mark .. The original poster doesn't realise that Seb himself said he couldn't match Webber for speed this weekend...


To win the championship, Vettel:

vs Button: If Button wins ALL remaining nine races, Vettel needs only finish 3rd in four and 4th in five of the races.

vs Alonso: If Alonso wins ALL remaining nine races, Vettel needs only finish 2nd in two and 3rd in seven of the races.

Hamilton: If Hamilton wins ALL remaining nine races, Vettel needs only finish 2nd in three and 3rd in six of the races.

vs Webber: If Webber wins ALL remaining nine races, Vettel needs only finish 2nd in five and 3rd in four of the races.


Perhaps you could calculate if Seb has one DNF this season. Everyone else pretty much has one. His turn will inevitably come in the second half of the season. That opens things up a bit.


It's over isn't it.


I wondered about that, so thanks for the info!! =)

It's generally accepted that this year's WDC fight over anyway.


Webber just can't seem to get it together and go from pole to a win... it has to be mental at this point...


Excellent win Lewis, you have done what was needed. I really liked the overtake on Alonso, just like in the old days i.e. 2007 / 2008. Welcome back Lewis, keep this up and I am sure you can get past Redbull.

James, do you feel that Mclaren can perform well in cold chily conditions and that the race pace from Silverstone was similar apart from the under fuelling issues?. It has been mentioned that Mclaren had developed a new floor to aid in aero flow? thanks


Great race from the top 3 finishers. I think that it once again shows that FA and LH are the top drivers in F1. Ron Dennis really blew it in 07. Nando is the most complete driver; Lewis the the fastest, and best passer but not as consistent and probably not as good a tester. Vettel is the best qualifier but does not have the race craft though he is the youngest and will develop it with more experience and a less superior car. Webber winning best of the rest for this race but in the same class as Button. Massa, Rosberg and present day Schumi, perhaps Koba in third class. Ferrari still having tyre temperature problems especially in cold weather; Macca has tyre wear problems especially in hot weather; both gaining on RBR. Good times in F1 if only the Newey car did not have the first half dominance it c/d have been one of the greatest years ever.


How can Lewis be the fastest and seb the best qualifier. Doesn't make sense that to me.


I think LH is the fastest in race conditions. SV is marginally quicker in a clear track as in qualifying. We know that whenever SV qualifies on pole and has clean air in front of him, he usually wins. If all 3 are driving identical cars, I would place my bet on Alonso over an 18 race season, my bet on Lewis on a per race basis, and my bet on Vettel for a qualifying lap.


Good action all round but the lighthouse beam was fixed at the front. The action among Lewis, Alonso and Webber provided a good sunday setup. Lewis drove a good race by staying out in front and overtaking his rivals to make it count to the very end. Mclaren race strategy was very good today at making the right calls.

Also the thought Alonso running out of fuel shows he was pushing to the very end but did not suffer Lewis's fate at Silverstone. As for webber, I can only say it's his bad luck again for the Aussie. Enough talk about who is the complete race driver, I think most of the top runners have had their chances and as the season progresses, I hope to see more contenders even if Vettle has it in the bag for now.


Hamilton gave us a great and thrilling drive today. We are so blessed this season to have so many exciting drivers like Hamilton, Alonso, Webber, Button and Vettel.

As Eddie Jordan pointed out during the race, Vettel still needs to prove that he is the complete package. It seems that whenever he is not on pole, he cannot seem to pull it off like Hamilton and Alonso can do, and that is the chink in his armour.

Give Hamilton a great car to drive and he will deliver the results. Alonso and Ferrari too are also coming into its own, so I am looking forward to a very exciting last half of the season. There definitely must be blood!


Good race! Enjoyed the dense action at the front...was good action down the field too. Thought Vettel was decidedly lack-lustre today.

Found myself smiling against my better judgement when Lewis won (because his ego is a problem for me these days), but more of a (disappointed) Button fan really. Not too happy about Button's recent run of "bad luck"...

Valencia -> KERS failure. (but finished)

Silverstone -> Wheels! (DNF)

Germany -> Hydraulics! (DNF)

Hungary? (absolutely starving! badoom tsh!)

I predict a DRS failure at best...maybe also getting the wrong tyres at a pit stop.

The very worst I expect is for Ron Dennis to run out of the garage during a pit stop and hit Button over the head with a spanner...saying something along the lines of "drive this you lanky #$@%!"

Anyone else care to make a more outrageous prediction?



James, how much of it was a tyre issue in the Hamilton/Alonso pass.

I have to give credit to hamilton though because others would have waited for another spot to pass!


Ferrari had warm up issues, clearly. But Hamilton forced the issue and Alonso didn't fight him off much.Interesting to compare with Hamilton's fight with Webber in same circumstances a lap earlier


Hands down, nobody gives us entertaining drives than Hamilton, love him/hate him you can't take that away from him. I was literally on my feet, for me his decisive move round Alonso was what won the race for him.


Very consistent performances by Webber this year. Same point last year, he had 11 points less - and that's without winning a race (3 wins same point last year). Too bad Vettel is so far ahead.


More proper overtaking and no longer whacky, thanks to Pirelli for tweaking the tyres to a better and realistic level of degradation.

3 drivers from 3 teams battling it out was the best part.

Lewis drove hard and kept his composure. McLaren does better with Lewis's aggression on a colder track. Congrats to Hamilton for the victory.

Was great to watch Alonso getting the best out of the cold track temperature from Ferrari's problem, as usual. Hotter tracks will be coming soon though.

Bad luck again for Webber missing the victory again while he drove well too. Would love to see Mark on the top step of the podium.

And finally Vettel did not appear at the podium for a change but also due to the brake problem. Pressure seems to have shaken him too with quite a few mistakes.

What a flight from Heidfield, couldn't miss this one.

All in all it was a good race.


Can anyone tell me where Button would have ended up on his two stop strategy if his car had not broken down- it looks like it could have worked OK for him because the hard tyre was actualy seemed worked OK at teh end of the race?


Have trawelled through most articles and comments and haven't found anything said in respect of Alonso's fuel sample.

Has anyone got any info as to whether he should have been punished?


Great race - we are seeing some of the best F1 in years this year.

I'm puzzled by the poor starts by Mark Webber. You would think that 'the start' was one thing they could simulate to perfection and practice until the simulator fries. Maybe under the present 'straight-line' rules it could be practiced for real until the transmission dies. So why the problems? And why the drop in revs just before the get-to-go at Nurburgring?

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