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Fernando Alonso wins thrilling British Grand Prix as Red Bull slip up
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Posted By: James Allen  |  10 Jul 2011   |  3:13 pm GMT  |  344 comments

Fernando Alonso won a thrilling British Grand Prix at Silverstone ahead of the Red Bull pair Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber.

Vettel lost the lead to Alonso when his second pit stop went disastrously wrong. He lost further time behind Lewis Hamilton and could not bridge the gap to the Ferrari driver.

It was Alonso’s first win of the season, the 27th of his career and his second at Silverstone. Earlier in the day he had driven the Ferrari which won this race 60 years ago and he was proud to have delivered the win on such an important anniversary, which underlines how long Ferrari have been in F1.

“It’s difficult to know what would have happened without the problem of Sebastian. It’s not easy to overtake so for sure the pit stop problem helped,” said Alonso.

There was heavy rainfall in the hour before the race start, particularly around the old pits building and the complex of corners leading to Copse.

So wet was the track, with Perez losing control on the formation lap, the intermediate tyre was the only choice for the start.

Sebastian Vettel won the start against his team mate the pole sitter Mark Webber. Vettel got a perfect getaway, while Webber bogged down. Starts have been a consistent problem for Webber all season and the initiative he had gained in qualifying was lost in the first 200 metres of the race.

Button got a good start up to fourth from fifth on the grid., as did Lewis Hamilton, who made up four places on the opening lap.

Schumacher was the first to take the soft slick tyres on lap 11, he was forced to stop after sliding into Kobayashi and losing his nose cone.

As he set fastest sector times, Button switched too, with Alonso and Webber coming in a lap later, as did Hamilton.

Vettel had the luxury of taking an extra lap before making his stop. Vettel had a 6 second lead before the stops and afterwards it was down to 3.3 seconds.

The McLaren worked well on slick tyres on a damp track; Button passed Massa for P5 and shortly afterwards Hamilton passed Alonso on the wettest part of the circuit for third place.

Webber closed up on his team mate on the slick tyres.

Hamilton’s tyres began to drop off and Alonso was able to repass him using DRS on the Wellington Straight.

Paul Di Resta was going very well in seventh place, lapping faster than the cars behind including Rosberg’s Mercedes, but a disastrous stop on lap 26 cost him a lot of time. The team was ready for Sutil. Then Di Resta’s race was ruined by contact with a Toro Rosso.

A disastrous stop for Vettel also cost him the lead to Alonso. On a track still damp in parts the lesson was that old tyres up to temperature were faster than brand new tyres. Alonso and Hamilton used this to undercut Webber and when Vettel had his problem, both men found themselves ahead of the world champion.

As Alonso drove away from them, Vettel was faster than Hamilton and had to try to make a pass.

Alonso was almost two seconds a lap faster than Hamilton around lap 32. Still Vettel didn’t try a move on Hamilton.

Red Bull had to wait until lap 37 to pit Vettel – because any earlier and he may not have made the finish – and he duly undercut Hamilton for second place.

Alonso pitted a lap later and maintained his 10 second lead. Button pitted at the same time but his front right wheel not wasn’t attached and he had to stop the car at the pit exit.

The new interpretation on Engine mapping for blown diffusers meant a change in fuel consumption for the race and with 15 laps to go Hamilton had to go into fuel saving mode, allowing Webber to close on him and pass for a podium place with five laps to go.

At the front Alonso was able to continue to drive away from Vettel, who fell into the clutches of Webber at the end. But the Australian was told by the team to ‘maintain the gap’ and did not try a pass.

Meanwhile Toro Rosso’s Jaime Alguersuari got into the points from the lower third of the grid for the third race in a row.

BRITISH GRAND PRIX, Silverstone, 52 laps
1. Alonso Ferrari 1h28:41.194
2. Vettel Red Bull + 16.511
3. Webber Red Bull + 16.947
4. Hamilton McLaren + 28.986
5. Massa Ferrari + 29.010
6. Rosberg Mercedes + 1:00.665
7. Perez Sauber + 1:05.590
8. Heidfeld Renault + 1:15.542
9. Schumacher Mercedes + 1:17.912
10. Alguersuari Toro Rosso + 1:19.108
11. Sutil Force India + 1:19.712
12. Petrov Renault + 1:20.600
13. Barrichello Williams + 1 lap
14. Maldonado Williams + 1 lap
15. Di Resta Force India + 1 lap
16. Glock Virgin + 2 laps
17. D’Ambrosio Virgin + 2 laps
18. Liuzzi HRT + 2 laps
19. Ricciardo HRT + 3 laps

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Where do I start; what a fantastic drive by Alonso. The fights amongst the drivers in the last the last few laps were the highlight of the season so far. However, a few things I need to understand how it works. Because as an F1 fan I just about had enough of the unfairness in this sports.

First of all, shame on Horner and the Red Bull team. ‘Maintain the gap’!!! The last team on earth should have anything to say about team order is Red Bull & the last person is Horner. Shame of 2010, ‘Alonso is faster than you’ by Ferrari & Red Bull giving the front wing of Webber to Vettel. Crying shame of 2011, ‘Maintain the gap’. Red Bull & Horner should be disqualified from the race and fined.

Secondly, ‘stop and go penalty for Schumacher’!!!!! Were the stewards watching the same race as the viewers??? Quoting Martin Brundle, ‘staying in bed would’ve been avoidable incident as well’. What a shame!! Now if Schumacher gets penalized, why not Hamilton for bumping into Massa???

Finally, can you James Allen please explain why Red Bull shouldn’t get $100k penalty for telling Webber to back off??? Am I the only one feel robbed of one of the best British GP in living memory? Webber must look for a sit in McLaren or Ferrari. Oh, can’t explain how I feel right now. There are many other energy drinks in the world. I know at least what I will never drink at least.


Team orders are not disallowed any more, and under the same circumstances, I would have done exactly what Red Bull did. Having the cars come home in 2 and 3 is points in the bank. Having them duke it out would have been a big risk, they could hit each other and be out of the race. And even if Webber could pass Vettel, there was nothing to gain for the team as Webber could not hope to catch Alonso any more, nor was there pressure from behind. Those team orders were the smart thing to do.

As for the Schumacher incident, I think it was immediately clear who caused the collision. I was a bit surprised by it being a Stop/Go rather than the standard drivethrough, but apparently the stewards decided not to give drivethroughs as the time lost by it would be relatively small with the new pitlane, so they immediately went for stop.go's. Fair enough. Note that Kobayashi also got a stop/go, not a drivethrough.

Hamilton and Massa on the other hand, I would call a racing incident as well. I think the stewards got it all right this time around.



I was gutted to hear that the now legal team orders were applied today but Webber ignored the orders. There will be fallout at RB in regard to this.

I also agree it's bizarre to use team orders in that situation when Vettel is sooo far ahead of the second placed guy, Webber. Surely if they needed team orders to secure a championship it's not in this situation!!

However it is a team and orders will always be used. It's just hard when it's against a much loved driver!


Because the rules say they are totally free to use team orders. So how could they possibly be fined? Besides, there were 3 point at stake, why risk everything on the last lap for that?

Additionally Schumi lost control of the car from some way back whereas Hamilton and Massa entered the corner together.


Red Bull just don't 'get' it. The legecy they leave depends on the style in which they go about racing. For a team that relies so heavily on it's brand, they seem to be making a pretty good job of degrading their image. Vettel has wrapped up the title already, why not let Webber have a go? The Red Bull brand is about 'no limits, bravery and being generally XTREME!!!!! or whatever' Which sits completely at odds with their mentality on track. McLaren let Hamilton and Alonso race in 2007 and they lost the title, but it was a such an epic season full of amazing battles week in week out that a lot of people forget to even mention Raikkonen's win. If winning in a metronomic, ruthless way was what people wanted, Schumacher's legacy wouldn't be so questionable. It strikes me that Adrian Newey is behind a lot of these decisions. He has a bigger influence that he would like us to believe.


They won't get fined or disqualified as team orders as legal this year. Also, you were not robbed of anything as Webber ignored them and kept racing.


But in the same time, Mark said that it was distracting, or something like that, trying to drive and overtake with guys keep talking and telling him to not overtake.


I thought it was a very clumsy corner entry by Schumacher. If it had been his first in a while I would've let it go, but his recent history of incidents makes the penalty valid. I think a drive-through would've been enough though.


couldn't do a drive through, because it's quicker than the course... hence the stop-go


It was not faster than the regular track. I belive what was meant by that comment made was that taking to the pits takes 2 seconds less to reach the finish line than taking the track. Curious as to why nobody took that option and jumped the guy ahead (imagine if Webber did it, lol), or is such a move outlawed? I dunno.


According to your logic Hamilton should be penalised too, as he also has a history of incidents, like the one in Monaco, which was solely his fault!!


Silverstone was supposed to be a Red Bull track, and look what Alonso did after the track got dry. Even with DRS, Vettel couldn't overtake Hamilton - McLaren was so much faster on the straights.

After this weekend it's obvious that rule changes are favoring Ferrari. And I still don't know what kind of blowing they are using - similar to Red Bull or McLaren?

How come they are so quite on that subject?

Could be interesting in the second half of the championship. I hope rule changes won't completely change the championship standing.

P.S: I checked Red Bull's Facebook profile: 1.400 comments in half an hour, all full of anger with "Mark, we need to maintain the gap" team order. Now this is some bad PR for the team...


What a lot of rubbish !

Mark was doing what Fernando would have done, keep pushing, just in case the leader falls off and take the win.

Unfortunately Mark has no hope now, he is in the same position as Ruebens when he was with Ferrari......Fed up !!!


I would like James Allen, who I consider a very correct and fair F1 journalist, to comment on the very bad coverage that the British GP TV gave to Alonso lead. From the moment Alonso made its last Pit Stop, he never appeared on the TV until he won. It was really a shame from the British Broadcasting on the GP.


From what I can tell the FOM TV director always focuses on the part of the race where cars are closest together as thats where action is most likely to take place. They focused on him plenty when he was competing with other cars.

I don't really see the issue with that, its the same when Vettel has flown off into a 20 sec lead he hardly gets any airtime. What would you be watching? A car going round a track with no real reference points.

On a seperate note loved the new camera on a wire they had for the race.


This has been the case for the last couple of seasons which is much better in my opinion. Watching a car out on it's own in the lead is boring apparently. People have been crying out for more overtaking and a better spectacle so the TV guys are clearly trying to accommodate that by keeping up with the battles that are developing rather than watching a driver out in front alone. When FA completed his final stop he'd sealed the deal, so watching him reel off 20 odd laps whilst 17secs ahead would have been a total snorefest and thank god they didn't subject us to that.


Poor James, having to speak on behalf of all UK coverage!!

And, there was a LOT going on behind Alonso, that we would have missed if we only watched him driving around!


Host broadcaster is FOM, not BBC. So it's the same TV team as every race except Monaco and Japan.


I'm not sure about the rule changes favouring ferrari to the point they won with a 17 second gap, I think a lot of people are overlooking the fact they had a handful of upgrades this weekend the diffuser row has been sorted and everyone's back to the old ways - which saw Alonso with a second place at Valencia, meaning they've just improved the car!

ha ha oh Red Bull, the thing about team orders is if you do it fine, but then don't start pointing fingers at other teams - yes ferrari's way of doing it is very brazen but it's all team orders. I never like the smell of hypocrisy!


Agree... wasn't it Mr. Horner last year that talked with disgrace about Ferraris team order at the German GP ?

I've got news, we have not even come to the German GP, Vettel is leading the drivers table with a light year point difference, yet Mr. Horner clearly put in a team order.

He is sad.


Rule changes coinciding with a Ferrari win stink to high heaven (whether or not they could have challenged anyway is a moot point).

Are they guaranteed a win per season by the FIA?

Hamilton and Button both had very good spells but were undermined by the new rules enforcing fuel economy (and a bungled pitstop in the latter's case). Where were Mercedes, by the way? Pretty anonymous, considering how sanguine Norbert was about the rule changes in the BBC's interview yesterday..

Mclaren (and maybe Merc) appear to have been shafted good and proper - is Whitmarsh really tough enough, sharp enough, hungry enough for this job?


What has it go to do with Martin Whitmarsh? The FIA had to change the rules because there was a genuine lack of clarity regarding off throttle blowing which meant teams that don't have the technology can protest the race results. Indeed, several teams had planned to protest earlier in the season but were pacified by the the FIA's assurances that it would be dealt with.

It's unfortunate for Red Bull and Mclaren but it's also tough luck. Both of these teams have a history of pursuing technolgical avenues that have debatable legality and sometimes that approach is going to burn your fingers. Hats off to the clever boys and girls that come up with the ideas, it's one of my favourite aspects of F1. But, sometimes your brilliant idea will be seen as a bit rude by the FIA and they'll take it off you. Ya pay ya money ya take ya choice and all that.

All this rubbish from Red Bull that "but we've been blowing diffusers for years" is pure smoke and mirrors. They're glossing over the subject to avoid the perception being that they were having an unfair advantage taken away. Yes, they have been blowing diffusers for years and it continued throughout the British Grand Prix weekend. What was stopped was the off throttle blowing. This was banned for the same reason as the F duct, the aero performance of the car was being manually affected by the driver which is illegal in all areas other than DRS.

I fail to see why this has a reflection on the leadership skills of Martin Whitmarsh.


ferrari lost plently of wins and possibly the title when pirelli changed the tyres at the last minute as a response to all the complaints from other teams about high deg in testing.

you cant have it both ways. and it would very hypocritical for anyone to complain if this favours ferrari...as they clearly where the best in pre-season and the tyre change left them no where. and only now are they recovering.


The stink rises all the way to moon..


Ferrari brought a lot of pieces to Silverstone, and they say they don't care if rules stay like they are or go back to pre-Silverstone state. The ban takes 0,3 to 0,5 seconds from every team using blown diffusers during braking. At least that is what they say, depending on what happens in next races we will know if this is good or not for Ferrari, but they haven't been the ones pushing for this ban, at least publicly


Just look at how good the racing can be when the destructo-tyres are nullified by the conditions and the best overtaking is outside of the DRS zone. F1 is just fine without these gimmicks, might have even been better as Alosno might have had to fight to overtake Hamilton.

Plaudits to Silverstone, the old girl looks great. Congratulatiuons to Damon Hill under whose Presidency the circuit has secured over a decade of races and begun its biggest ever evolution. All thanks to Bernie as well who I've always thought had a bit of a secret soft-spot for Silverstone despite what he said in public.

Stunning race by Hamilton doing what he does best and what we all love him for when it comes off and what some people derride him for when it does not. Alosno was serene and brilliant also.

BUT........ The reg changes handing Ferrari that big an advatage haolf way thorugh the seasons stinks to high heaven. I do not think that the FIA deliberately handed Ferrari an advantage for one minute, but the fact it that IT HAS. It's totally unfair for all concerned to have to comepete in two championshis with different rules in the same year.


Was the team radio on TV a replay?

Because if not, that "maintain the gap" came on the last lap *after* all the good passing opportunities to prevent exactly the kind of last corner collision as Hamilton had with Massa.


The radio messages are on a time delay so they can be reviewed for swearing etc before being aired to little Johnny and his granny. It's all part and parcel of the British authorities idea that we all need to be wrapped in cotton wool. Nanny state I believe it's called.

I personally think that in the high pressure environment that is an F1 cockpit, the odd profanity would be understandable really and only human. I know we have to set standards and there's rarely an excuse for bad language. However, there's just as rarely an excuse to treat the public like idiots by assuming that we'd all be mortified to hear Mark Webber tell Christian Horner to stick his "gap maintenance" up his back passage. In fact, I think it would be rather entertaining.


BBC don't manage the broadcast, FOM TV do, nothing to do with British authorities from what I can see.


The message was delayed, the tv directors cherry pick which messages to play out on the tv stream.

Horner said the team decided for its drivers to hold position around four laps from the end of the race, so that will have been before all of those good passing opportunities.

I like Mark Webber more and more every race, good on him for going for it - gave us a bit of excitement at the end along with hamilton/massa!


The radio transmissions are always delayed when broadcast on the TV.


Correction: that's when the TV played the transmission. Those team radios aren't live - they are selected by Race Control / TV Director. There have been a fair few examples that could never have made TV, so there is a filter.

Check out the Vettel "how the **** is Mark in front?" from Hungary last year for a case in point.


The radio is on a delay. Webber has already said he was told off five or so laps from the finish and that he choose to ignore those orders completely. source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula_one/14099315.stm

This means two things: 1 the decision to give team orders was NOT a reaction to dangerous manoeuvres and 2 Vettel's 2nd is "genuine" (ie not the result of team orders) because he really had to defend his position and did so successfully.


The radio broadcasts are never live, they're often broadcast a lap-or-so after they were first aired.


I thought Christian Horner said no team orders at Red Bull?


CH did say no team orders, his drivers are professional and free to race on track. But that was in 2010, when Webber was leading wdc points over Vettel. Now the tables have turned. And so CH changes his tune. The hypocrisy.


I remember some talks last year about Ferrari putting the sport into disrepute. Horner is the person who put the sport into disrepute - last year by emphasizing Ferrari's fault over the team order and this year by doing the same which makes his last year's statements look even worse. Too bad.


many teams ask their drivers to hold position at the end of a race... in fact they asked Vettel to back off Webber just two years ago at Turkey and he did so... Hamilton and Button were asked to do the same last year in Turkey

Webber ignored orders and still was unable to pass Vettel. What if he had wrekced them?! Webber is making a fool of himself this year... That start is his second blown pole of the year as well...


Or maybe Webber had no intention of getting in front of Vettel, but just wanted to make a point.


Honestly, independent of what "if" you may imagine for the situation, the most important is that the order reflects the state of things inside Red Bull. What we, or at least I, have been only expeculating, looks now pretty much black and white after this race. There is a significant bias towards Seb at RBR. In enviroment like this, no wonder Webber looks so down this year. Just remember the team's reaction to Web's poles this year, it looked like he had done something wrong or so ...

After recent happenings (eg Hamilton not in Rbr, now team orders), Vettel looks to me like a plastic bubble boy as everything at reach is done to protect him.



Rubinho's Keyfob

That's exactly what Ted Kravitz asked in a post-race interview (where he asked a lot of searching questions, so kudos to him for that). Horner squirmed his way out of them all 😉

It was asked again in the "red button" forum -

Questioner (Jake?): So you do use team orders then?

Horner: Not until the last two laps, no.

I'll take that as a "yes" then 😉

I don't particularly have a problem with RBR (though I'd prefer it if things were a bit tighter in the championships) and I wouldn't have minded if Vettel had won today's race too _if he put in a move on the track to do it_.

But: Vettel's pass on Hamilton was in the pits (again).

But: RBR continues complaining about other teams and the rules while they are so dominant (and let's face it, have walked away with both championships already).

Their complaints two years ago when Brawn was running away with it was one thing, but they continue to whinge and complain when they are on top and have already won. This will backfire on them WRT the PR if they don't manage it well. Nobody likes a bad winner.


Red Bull do seem to sulk a bit. Even in 2009 they were competetive from the first race. Even without a double diffuser they were a match for the Brawn. If you remember, JB was being chased down by Vettel in Australia until Vettel binned it with a hapless overtaking attempt. Red Bull would have won in 2009 easily but they weren't ready. Operationally they were poor and the drivers were prone to errors which deferred their title ambitions for a year. Waste of an RB5 really but that's life. Brawn/JBs experience allowed them to make hay whilst the sun was shining and then defend theire position when RB began to iron out the errors. Of course, by silverstone RB5 was light years ahead.


What I want to know is why James Allen never raised the issue in the post race interview. I have previously posted this question but it has not appeared. Also why does the team orders issue not appear in you summary of the race.


Great stuff James.Judging by the hits that Redbull's Facebook page got and the reports that ONE HD gave out straight after the race, there is massive interest in Aus for their explanation as to the call after all the "We let the drivers race" comments from last year.


I did ask Mark "What happened at the end". The team order does appear at the end of the report and I have a post on it for tomorrow


They kept going on and on about not using it last year. That's what makes it worse. Maybe that was because it was Webber ahead of Vettel (in terms of points). But today it was Vettel ahead of Webber and Webber had to 'maintain the gap'. Vettel is so far ahead in the points anyway, it's ridiculous that Webber wasn't allowed to go for the overtake and the couple of points swing towards him that could bring. I disagree with Eddie Jordan and his view but he's coming from the point of view of a team owner so I guess I can understand.

The amount of times I've willed for Vettel to have a slow pitstop, finally worked today.

I guess other people will mention about Jenson's pitstop: Maybe Mclaren should have employed one of the competition winners! I'm sure they could have done a better job!


Yes, the point is the hypocrisy isn't it. Had Redbull not made such high and mighty comments about being a sporting team (unlike Ferrari, as they suggested) and winning the title their way, and so on and so on - seems very hollow now.


no team orders at redbull only if vettel is behind webber 😛


to be fair, that was last year when they were banned. They paid dearly for adhering to that ban in Turkey and they triumphed at season's end by not favouring Webber in Brazil (iirc if Vettel had moved over for Webber in Brazil and had Abu Dhabi ended the the way it did then Alonso would have taken the title).

However, I do remember Mateschitz coming out against team-orders on principle around that time. So who knows, maybe Horner will get a "private" talk from the boss and not Webber!


yup, the same Mr Horner who said last year

Ferrari are in contept of Sporting Code in

inforcing team orders, what a " hyporisy ",

but the again may be it only applies to Ferrari


Will you keep up please. The protesting of Ferrari's team orders last year were perfectly legitimate because team orders were ILLEGAL last year. The rules have been amended to allow them this year therefore anyone can use them. Also, don't start any "oh woe is me" rubbish where Ferrari are concerned. Everyone knows they've had a few advantages thrown their way over the years, you should know when you're on to a good thing and keep it down a bit. You know, like Ferrari have re Off Throttle blowing ban.


Thrilling race, from begin to end. I really really hope Alonso can keep his form the rest of the season, so we can see how Vettel copes with being under pressure.

Also Massa kept on fighting, just like last race. Great!

To bad Button retired. He was in the position for some surprises in the end stage.


Incredible pace from Fernando. Okay, he got lucky a bit, but nailed lap after lap to pull the gap on Vettel. Amazing stuff.


Congrats to Alonso, great race!

However, what I will remember is Red Bull telling Webber not to race. I actually have no problem with team orders (or Vettel for that matter)

However, Red Bull spent last season going on and on about how they always would let their drivers race, how they are "different", "alternative" and whatnot. This race showed them to be hypocrites. And like most people, I despise hypocrites.


Fully agreed there! Do we all remember Abu Dhabi 2010, the final run to the WDC and the way Red Bull claimed equal opportunities for their drivers and how that was their "cool" philosophy? Pretty lame what they said today. I mean, I understand it, but be consistent please.


the penalty to schumacher was a farce.

di resta and hamilton did the same and got away with it.

the next british grand prix 10 sec stop and go to all german drivers after the first lap.

weber tried to pass vettel.

hamilton used more fuel defendin from vettel.


Regarding the stop and go for Schumi. On the TV commentary I think it was Coulthard who made the point that since the pit lane at Silverstone is almost a shortcut, Whiting felt a drive through would not cost the driver as much time as at other circuits. So a stop and go at Silverstone was judged to be an equal penalty as a drive through at other races.


I second all of the above points.


I agree... Hamilton run into Massa twice on purpose, Di Resta drove into Buemi on purpose. Schumi drove into Koba by accident and he's the only one with a penalty.

What a shame too - Schumi was the only one fast enough to trouble the top 3 teams; an oppertunity lost thanks due to the overly harsh penalty.


Well, Michael Schumacher disagrees. He took full responsibility for the incident after the race. Penalty was harsh but FIA had no choice because of the unusual pit lane. A drive through would have helped Michael because driving through the pit lane is 2 secs faster than driving along start/finish straight because you miss out Vale and Club.


So you know what was in their minds, yes?

Or does it happen that someone other than Hamilton or DiResta has your support?

The common link.......they're British.

Oh well, guilty as tried then. They hit other cars ON PURPOSE.


James, are you going to expand of the team orders issue? This has surely got to be bigger then Ferrari in Germany last year as Red Bull have always prided themselves of being a neutral team. Webber looked absolutely crestfallen in the press conference.


Not that it totally justifies the orders. But the commentators also suggested that having the drivers go at it for the last 5 laps risks excessive wear on one of their alotted engines that must last several races. Though Horner never mentions this as a reason for the orders.

Rubinho's Keyfob

One difference is that this season Team Orders are allowed (they weren't when the Ferrari thing happened).

However, that does not excuse RBR (as several people have already mentioned) from shouting about being a "racing", "alternative" team when it suits them and then being totally hypocritical when they find themselves in the same situation.

Fine, do it, but don't make a bit point of saying "we're the sort of team who don't do that" less than 12 months ago.


By the way, did anyone notice the way Vettel was looking at Webber during the post race press conference when Webber was speaking? Have a look again... Thought it was quite interresting.


Actually yea I spotted that too..


I actually didn't catch that - what expression did he have?


A non-blinking straight away stare directly at Webber with pouting bottom lip for the duration of the Webber interview. Almost as if he was saying "Don't you dare say anything bad about me". Personally I found it rather immature.


Absolutely! He was staring daggers at Webber! Almost like he was waiting for eye contact to give Mark a dirty 🙂

Also, I noticed Seb was rolling his eyes and turned his head in agitation when Fernando said "we knew we had to be patient and wait for our opportunity later." Seb's Engineer said the same thing to him but that opportunity never came and Seb's was not a happy chap as basically his engineer told him to hold back.


I need to take it all in.


Things we have learned.

Schumi has shares in front nose cones.

Vettel cant overtake using race craft.

Webber is still a no 2 driver.

Red bull racing, the team with no team orders, has team orders.

Alonso was very quick, and had a near perfect race.

Lewis almost made it without hitting anyone.

Silverstone is a fantastic circuit.

The British summer, adds to good racing.

Good race, made up for valencia.


Well said (and perceived) d.h.


Most of your comments are way outside the rules, which are very clearly laid out. If you wish to comment here please read them carefully, Moderation is tightly controlled to keep the standard of debate high. Anything which is defamatory, as 99% of your comments have been so far, will be deleted. There are many other places to post those comments so I suggest you post them there.


and very good camera pictures too!


Vettel overtook Massa quite easily. You try overtaking a Lewis Hamilton when every single overtaking point is wet offline.


Yes he did when Massa was on the end of his stint struggling for grip and Vettel was on fresh tires and pushing. Can't really remember the last time Vettel overtook someone on the track for meaningful position... I really have no problem with Vettel but he is best when he is at the front of a race.

Mike from Medellin, Colombia

Well Lewis did it do Alonso at Stowe.

This is the difference between the good and the great.


Nice comment.

Clearly all that talk by RB that their drivers are allowed to race was just a load of BS.

Rubinho's Keyfob

What he said.


You've summed it up very nicely. Couldn't agree with you more!


I found this race almost as boring as Valencia. And it's thanks to a bunch of idiots. Here's my list:

1. The Stewards - For an unbelievably over-zealous punishment of Michael for what was clearly a racing incident. It was just so over the top, and stole from the viewers the chance to watch a fantastic driver, who excels in the rain.

2. Christian Horner - For pulling the very BS he claims does not happen in RB. I can guarantee the only reason Mark didn't blow up is: Contract Renewal in the next month.

3. Mclaren - For under-fueling Lewis's car.

4. All the people who say fans don't care or don't understand what has been going on with the blown-diffuser ruling. We understand quite well thank you. Every year there is a team that pushes the limits of rule interpretation. And sometimes they go too far. The banning of off-throttle is a good thing, and the fans understand this.

F1 is about racing. Too bad there are too many people working to limit that.


One thing i forgot to add, which ruined the race completely was the broadcast of Mclaren's pit strategy. Or anyone's for that matter.

It was an idiotic move that stole the opportunity for on-track racing.


I agree, it was a daft move. What I don't get is why they don't use plenty of expletives in radio messages that are crucial to strategy. Like "Lewis conserve your f***en fuel, please", etc. Will guarantee no broadcast afterwards.


Like it! That would work you know...


The teams hear them anyway, including a lot more messages than a broadcast on the TV feed.


It looks like to me on occassion's race control broadcast transmissions to maybe try and alter the race result, Ive thought this for a long time!!

Proof as I have said all along that Lewis is by far a better driver than Vettel, Lewis kept him behind for all those laps, but had that been the other way round with out a doubt Lewis would have got passed him, don't forget that Vettels car was far superior to Lewis.


I would love some clarification on this, because i've come to believe they don't hear it all. It wouldn't make any sense for Mclaren to get annoyed with FOM, if it was all free to broadcast. And Helmut Marko made a point earlier in the year about Ferrari listening in on RB comms.

So i think you might be wrong.


Why do Ferrari always just leave Massa out on ruined tyres for a few more laps than the others? Surely it cannot gain them anything. His pace seemed fairly decent today but he has lost so much time on the undercuts to the others.


Because it makes no difference. Massa is *ONE* second slower that anyone (brazilian fan).


Faster than Alonso until Q3 (a run on used tires/a mistake then the rain hindered him I presume) and had a damaged car throughout the race.

Not much slower all season (1-2 tenths I belibe most of the time) and was faster in the wet at Montreal.

'Only' 6 tenths (on average) slower than Schumi in 2006 in a car that was built around Schumi and did not suit Massa at all. Near identical to Raikkonen for 3 years (albeit in a car that did not suit Raikkonen, but its Raikkonen for gods sake).

Out-performed Villenueve in 2005 as well.

Show your countries drivers some respect...


probably because since Abu Dhabi last year they've failed with tactics for both in almost every single race


Exactly, wish Massa would ask the same thing we are.

Raziff (malaysia)

Why di resta was not given a stop go penalty for hitting the toro rosso? Where is the consistency?


That's what I want to know too! Anybody?


The question needed to be asked James!


I think I will ask it


Fix - in my opinion the change of rules were done to suit Ferrari as it was looking more & more likely that they were going to have a baron season with no wins in 2011 & the power brokers just can't have that.

The change of rules (make no mistake as ythat's what it was) mid season when the likes of McLaren had designed their whole car around a blown difusser (albeit not the exhaust they currently us)is....................well for me it's just another example of how strings are pulled behind closed doors.

Seeing the dreadful drs overtakes just makes todays F1 so easy and takes away the art of defending even the great Senna would have been helpless.


Sadly, it appears the acronym 'FIA' still means 'Ferrari International Assistance'

The only surprise is that the rules as instantiated for this race are not being carried on for the rest of the season.

Evidently, they've decided that Ferrari can't make a championship impact this year anyway, so they'll give up on it and just skew the rules to Ferrari's current strengths next year.

Please can someone explain to me why Ferrari are such a positive presence in F1?


Finally. Still believe Alonso is the best driver in F1. Give him a car that's genuinely competitive and he'll bring in the wins. Its too late this year in my opinion but any day the Finger gets put away I am quite happy. I've sat and watched/read all year about how amazing Vettel is driving in the lead with the fastest car all year...like setting fast laps in the lead like is some massive achievement. Alonso made it look ridiculously easy once the lead was his.I guess he 'raised his game' to Vettel's astronomical heights?

Everyone raves about Di Resta, who is doing well, but to me Perez is really impressive. I'm keen to see the next 'battle' between Felipe and Lewis..I have a feeling Felipe will look to be an absolute thorn in his side any and every time he can now, given the bitter comments before this race even.


It's like Massa and Hamilton are magnetically attracted to eachother. In fairness to Hamilton, the accident began several seconds earlier when Massa did a very late break, right into Hamiltons path. On old old tires there was no way he was going to get out of sliding into him.


Massa is the only one to blame, 0.024s, he lost. Great battle by great drivers.


Very good observation. Alonso was simply on a different level. He managed his tyres and still reeled in flap after flap. On the contrary the fast but good tyre conserving Vettel ran out of tyres at the end even though he didn't seem to push at all in his final stint. Very very good from ferrari and Alonso.

These blown diffuser rules should be kept since we may have fight like today for the rest of the season otherwise we'll be left looking at that dreaded freakin finger


'dreadin freakin finger' - made me chuckle!


What a race! Great to see Fernando back up there. What a drive by Lewis and a way to answer the critics! It would have been a beautiful podium had fuel not become an issue.

Seb showed what i have always suspected, he is not an all out racer. He choked when he was tailing Lewis...i wonder why...he had the speed.

It seems the Mclaren is not as slow, with the new rules, as I thought after qualifying.

James, weren't those team orders by Redbull?

Driver of the Day: Lewis Hamilton


SORRY BUT I BEG TO DIFFER ... the low-fuel message was given to Hamilton (and cherry-picked to broadcast to the listening and watching world) purely so that it would force him to conserve his tyres until the end of the race ... something he is absolutely useless at doing (plus he is forever locking-up his front wheels and flat-spotting his tyres?).

In the final stages of the British GP Hamilton's 'team' were acutely aware that Webber would overtake him and the low-fuel-slow-down warning was the perfect pretext they could use for when it inevitably happened and/or if there were any other 'occurrences' before the end of the race that they might need to explain away and gloss over (the contact with Massa being a case in point).

ALWAYS ALWAYS WITHOUT FAIL we have to listen to a list of excuses/justifications and mitigating circumstances either from Hamilton himself or Martin Whitmarsh or indeed the totally biased race commentators Martin Brundle and David Coulthard when Hamilton bungles his chances or doesn't do as well as he should ... he is just sooo predictable!!


Interesting theory, but i don't think you are right here.


Lewis driver of the day???? I think Alsono took that one easy!!


Well Webber was able to make passes on track. I think he passed Hamilton whilst Vettel could not.

Although the circumstances were different. Mark passed Hamilton early on when race fuel was high and they were possibly on different tyres. Whereas Vettel try to pass Hamilton on low fuel (when McLarens and Ferraris seem to shine - eg Chine and Montreal.


Surely managing the fuel is a critical part of a driver's skill-set under the current rules?

It's fine driving quick, but every action has a consequence in either fuel load or tyre wear.

It was a good result coming from 10th to 4th, but I can't help but think he'd be fifth behind Jenson in 4th had their individual races run to conclusion on their own overall race-craft.


How do you know Button wouldn't of been in the same situation on fuel? Mclaren hadn't run the car with that set-up on heavy fuel at all, their best guess on fuel consumption was obviously wrong.


Whitmarsh has said that Lewis had less fuel as they were expecting him to be stuck behind car slower cars at the start.


We don't know for sure - hence why I think and don't state. Although I have no reason to doubt Jenson's post-race statements about not having the same fuel issue due to his slower early pace.

All we do know is the maximum Lewis was able to extract was 4th position. Give him more fuel and who's to say he'd be in 3rd when the extra weight is factored in?


mercedes engine did the difference between seb and ham. that's why he used more fuel.


Great race, what a last lap. Well raced Alonso, a deserved win. Tough luck for Button, Lewis and Massa and Vettel too. As for Red Bull 'racing' ...come on guys, how you can keep a straight face when your actions betray your words time after time is just amazing. 70 odd points not enough of a buffer for you? I never really liked the way Ferrari backed a lead driver over the other, but at least it was out in the open. I'm not sure whether Mark would have made the pass or not, but if that's the way your going to dish out the orders, do yourselves a favour and stop using the 'we let our boys race' lines. Anyone remember Horner's speech last year after the Ferrari team orders for Massa?


Some of us remember too well. But you know, time puts everyone where they deserve, and this is time for Red Bull to reckon they do exactly as the others. I'm not against it, every team needs to manage their pilots

Now I perceive in the forums (almost) the same hostility to them that I felt last year against Ferrari after Germany GP, and I can see how pressure is mounting on FIA to avoid a new title by RBR. Let's see what happens from now on out of the track, but I guess this is going to be a tough Summer for RBR


RBR have already got the 2 championships in the bag. Worst that can happen is they have a 'Brawn' year, with the others catching up from now on - but no way they'll be caught..


Oh yeah, its gonna be a tough summer for them - counting their wins and double podiums and points. Arithmetic is hard!


Congrats to Fernando & Ferrari. Once again McLaren score a double own goal and deny their drivers any chance of success. Well done McLaren. Again RBR utilise team orders and call Mark off, further alienating their drivers. Well done RBR. Why does Mark bother to try? If Seb was low on fuel I'm sure they'd order Mark to push him over the line. The sooner he gets out of that team the better.

I'm not a Lewis fan but loved his stouch with Felipe & Sebastian. Good stuff. Poor old Schumi had a double snafu. He ran out of ability & road, all at the same time 😉

All in all a very entertaining GP. Best so far for me. A pity you didnt/couldnt ask Mark his thoughts on the team orders James, during the unilaterals. Christian said that they discussed this situation in the morning and Mark knew the score.


Good result for Ferrari, but not good enough to charge the championship. With 10 races to go, it's just not good enough, but Alonso made everything that depended on him.

Also I am very glad that Ferrari have apparently solved the problem with their pit stops. It could be seen not only in comparison with some disastrous stops for RB and McLaren, but also from the fact that Ferrari had, what I believe, the fastest stop - 3.2 sec. While RB consistently maintain their very good 3.9 sec stops, Ferrari did 3.2 sec twice this race, which shows that it was not just an occasional result. 0.7 sec must be worth around 2 laps of good charging on the track. I hope they will keep it on.

Also fantastic finish by Hamilton and Massa, this is what I call making a GP a good show! Finally, it was so good to see the stands full of fans instead of semi-full and entirely empty stands in Istanbul, for example. God, I'm happy this race was saved and is in the calendar!


Yet Vettels last stop was the fastest pit stop of the race (in and out the pitlane) with 23.137 and that although Red Bull might even had a slight disadvantage because their cars wouldn't reach the pit lane speed limit until the exit line.


It seems almost everyone missed the problem in Webbers stop. Same stop as Vettel and same wheel (right rear). That allowed Hamo to get in front.


Vettel's problem was with the Left Rear mate..


Come on, Seb has enough points. Let Mark race.


Epic fail from RedBull side. "Maintain the gap remainds" of Austria '02... I wish Mark had bigger balls or a already signed deal with other team. Vettel again has showed that when he's not in the lead there are many problems, especially with overtaking


Vettel finds himself behind one or two cars and suddenly the superlatives used to describe his racing skills look somewhat premature! Alonso breezed past that Mclaren but V clearely struggled and had to resort to strategy and opportunity for clear air......his comfort zone!


Dribble on all you want, an 80 point lead in the WDC speaks for itself.


"Alonso breezed past that Mclaren" because of tires


Dude, Vettel just got out of the pits 3 sec behind Alonso. They both (Alonso and Vettel) had new tyres.

And yes, Alonso past Lewis pretty easy..while Vettel....well, you know what happened.


after exiting the pits alonso was in front of hamilton.


same tires when ham passed alo .....ferraris wer struggling to switch on tires ...by that time ham passed alo .. once ferrari's up on the pace .. also overtook ham again ...remember both the passes happened in same stint .....


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We all have to look in the mirror in the morning. Wonder if Horner can.

Horner speaking on Alonso/Massa last year

“Martin Brundle said that if he were Stefan he would have done the same thing. In that position would you have done the same thing”

Horner: No, we let our drivers race.

Horner: It’s wrong, it’s wrong for the sport. The drivers should have been allowed to race.

What a crock.


Agree what bulldust


Well done for digging this up. I think the RBR team orders are ten times worse; everyone knows that Ferrari operate a No. 1 driver policy. You might not like it, but they're essentially up front with it even if they can't explicitly state as much.

RBR are all about "racing" - my eye! They're just as cynical as Ferrari, but without the balls to come out and admit it. Now they don't just look like they favour one driver; they look like they favour one driver but are too cowardly to deal with the flack that comes with it.


My point exactly! I dont have anything against team orders but hipocrates... I don't like one bit.


I guess I know who's to blame. Helmut Markko. 🙂


What have you got against Hippocrates? He made up a nice oath a while back: keeps doctors in line 🙂


Is that something you store hippos in?


>< *Hypocrites* my spelling is terrible


exactly my thoughts


I don't have a problem with what RBR did (maintain the gap) as i didn't have a problem with what ferrari did last year in Germany. I do have 2 problems tho. 1st is Christian Horner saying all last year and this season that they will let the driver race and the 2nd is Horner saying that if he let them race they would have both ended up if the fence. Does he not respect his drivers ability to race or doesn't he think his drivers respect each other enough to race? Even tho i am a massive Webber fan one of the people i feel sorry for the most is Vettel. from the blogs and FB comments i have read most people are giving it to him and as far as i can see/ read he has nothing to do with it. With all the stuff going on this weekend with off throttle stuff, this is the last thing the sport needs.


Horner is just the fall guy buffer taking it on the chin from the Brit and Aussie press. Do you really think it was his decision - especially after all that stuff he said last year and with Seb already having such a BIG lead? No no no - I bet Marko's fingerprints are all over this. Pity, because I bet even Seb can see how self-defeating it is from a PR viewpoint...


All the word about Vettel behind closed doors is that he is a prima donna who chucks tantrums when things don't go his way - I'm pretty sure he'd be fully supporting every decision that helps him out no matter what...


How did you get behind those closed doors?

Please tell.


Apparently Vettel was heard in the Mens lavs at Turkey last year saying to himself how much his Number 2 stinks.

Carry on...


Where on earth did you read that? There isn't even a hint of those kinds of rumours on any blog/site I visit regularly.


Andy, that is indeed something that doesn't come across in normal coverage so thanks for that info.

However, being demanding of the team is nowhere near the same as being a tantrum-throwing prima donna like Harv claims Vettel to be. You are quite right in saying that it is what made the greatest drivers so successful.

Many drivers take pride in "pushing the team" (Hamilton, Alonso, Barrichello and even Glock) and some even use it as a license to publicly moan about the team. The fact that Seb's demanding attitude towards the team is something he keeps behind closed doors instead of in full view of the media (*cough* Rubens *cough*) is all the MORE respectful towards the team.


agreed. i may not be the biggest fan of Vettel but i have never heard bad things about him.


I think I heard something from Brundle or Crofty near the start of the season. Not necessarily "tantrums" but that he is very demanding and works the team extremely hard. Which is a side of him we don't really get to see on camera, but it's a quality that made the likes of Alonso and Schu so successful.


the say as every racing driver ever to put on a helmet then. alonso michael and senna all very demanding of the team. thats why they have won so much between them.


the same i meant


Felt we were robbed of a more interesting race from Schumacher. Yeah, he lost the car and spun Koby around, but I'd have loved to see him go without the penalty - agree with BBC commentary.

I was disappointed by that decision from the stewards, but outraged that they did not penalise di Resta, who caused Buemi's retirement. How on earth was that not worse than Schumacher's incident?!

I would like to call foul on that. What do you guys think?


I agree. I think the stewards need to seriously rethink their approach. This is getting ridiculous. Soon a completed pass without incidents will be deemed too dangerous. Today they were also very inconsistent.


Sorry, I think Mansell's reasoning was completely just.

After all, he is a multi race winning World Champion, and we are armchair heroes. I did actually laugh out loud to the comment about how 'it happens' because we all know the feel of a wet Silverstone track on inters in a modern F1 car with KERS, obviously....

I think Schumi's disgruntled nature comes at the stop/go portion of the penalty, and I can see his frustration. Perhaps the FIA should introduce finer levels of drivethrough and stop/go penalties to encompas pit lane entries etc.


Mansell was also on the stewards panel last year that deemed Alonso should get a drive-through. Huge flap over that. It's a case of "overtake - sure, but at your peril, we're watching!"



I think a new rule should be brought in that the stewards can't be on the panel if they competed with any current driver racing in F1. In a court they wouldn't be there due to being biased and Schumi did upset a few drivers in the past and it must be a bit annoying still seeing him race while they no longer.

I feel it was very harsh and it's amazing to see how calm Shumi was after the race. James, do Merc have a guy who runs to the stewards office anytime there is an incident with Schumi like he did at Ferrari?


I completely agree. I couldn't believe they gave him a stop/go for that. The conditions were wet, and he slid into Kobayashi. Yes, it was his fault, but under those conditions, there is always the possibility of such things happening, and to penalise so harshly for them is ridiculous. But to then not penalise Di Resta (while Schumachers 'front nose' record is a tad shoddy of late, Di Resta's is easily worse) makes a mockery. Mansell's excuse in the forum was far from satisfactory.

I can't help thinking that a number of these stewards, possibly a majority, have it in for Schumacher, and his records. I know that Mansell achieved many great things in the sport, so he has no need for a chip on his shoulder, but me thinks the stewards in general don't half mind giving Schumacher a good kicking whenever they get the chance. It's just disappointing, as his pace was very good today, and it had the making of a possible Canadian result. That was at most a racing incodient, especially when looked at through the prism of the Di Resta/Buemi shunt, which ended Buemi's race.


Interestingly rubens didnt get a penalty at spa last year for punting alonso in the opening phase of the race at the bus stop in very similar circumstances. In my view that was far worse too as he was never ever going to make the corner.


Nobody made that corner though, everyone (or just about) was caught out by the rain.


I think being out of the race was the penalty.


Excellent post. It clearly wasn't a dangerous move from Schumacher - it was a racing incident on a semi-wet track. This happens.


Absolutely agree, and I don't accept mansell's reasoning as to why the penalty was given.


Mansell's reasoning?

You can't use those two words in close proximity.


Yup, what he seemed to say was that it's perfectly ok to crash into someone and destroy their race as long as you're in full control of your car.

Either both should have been given penalties or neither. I would choose neither.


Yes, Schumi's penalty was indeed to harsh.


It wasn't harsh - it was cruel.


A great race with a result that almost keeps the championship open.

Whilst I can see the advantages of DRS the most exciting overtakes were those away from the activation area. It seems to me that its biggest use was catching up.

I enjoyed Massa's drive and the penultimate corner attack of LH was perfectly justified.

A small point, James. Vettel's stop was unfortunate. Button's was the disaster.

A really enjoyable race that, yet again, proves that the circuit and weather has more influence on the excitement of a race than KERS/DRS and pit stops.

However, and a big one, what a disaster the diffuser farce was. This is supposed to be the peak of professional sport. However, the officials seemed to be graduates of the McLaren pitstop training school.


I guess Red Bull mean "No team orders" only applies when Vettel is behind. Horner is the fall guy. Marko would have been behind that...


No it doesn't. When Vettel is behind, then Mark will be asked if he "understands the message" of Vettel being faster than him 😉


I agree. It's not Horner's fault - did you notice he said "it wasn't my decision, it was a TEAM decision" ie from higher-up!


I disagree - Horner is just as bad a Marko. They both very much agree with each other. Was it not last year James Allen said he went into the RBR motorhome after Mark won at Silverstone, only to find Horner and Marko glum about Mark's win? He said that Anne (Mark's partner) stated that "Well at least there are some people happy about Mark's win" (or something along those lines).

I stopped being an RBR fan a long time ago - well around Turkey last year anyhow.


hahaha very well put mate


P.s. And only to be saved by team orders on an afternoon which was fast becoming an embarrassing exposure of the myth that he is! "Webber maintain the gap"............Pathetic!


Hats off to race control for choosing to broadcast that particular line. There is a myriad of communications between pit and drivers during the race, which only they hear; they choose which ones WE should hear.


Well done to Alonso its refreshing to see someone else win for a change. Taking nothing away from Vettel tho,he is a good driver as much as it pains me to say lol. Gutted for Jenson tho.....but at least Lewis made something out of what seems to of been a tricky weekend for Mclaren.


I think it was plain for everyone to see today that Vettel is only good when there is noone in front of him. He couldn't overtake if his life depended on it! Alonso and Lewis are real racers and great drivers...


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F1s dark side rears it's ugly head once again, taking the gloss off Alonso's hard fought triumph, and even Schumacher's comeback, would have finished 6th without one of the worst penalties I've ever seen.

If Vettel is 77 pts ahead and Webber still can't race him, when will he ever be allowed to? Seems like it will take a Vettel DNF for Webber to be on the top step of the podium, and we know how often Seb retires!

Team orders are legal, but it seems as though every time it comes into effect, it is exercised in the worst possible


Webber needs to seriously consider jumping ship if he ever wants to feel valued in the sport again, even if it's with Renault, or even Williams (again).


I despise hypocrisy.

I despise unnecessarily applied team orders.

I've never bought a Red Bull product.

Based upon RBR's behaviour the last two years at Silverstone, I guarantee that I never will.


Mark, Sebastian is faster than you. ..[mod]


Oh I thought Mark was on pole position?


Very good race and Alonso was amazing today, people will say this and that about the EBD rules but his times in S2 were insane. Ferrari found some pace and RB loss some pace because the new rules, but Ferrari did a big step forward here in terms of perfomance, Alonso didn't finish 17 sec ahead of Vettel because the EBD that's clear.


Totally agree. S2 needs pure aerodynamics and little braking, so the Ferrari's got the pace as I see it


Shame on Red Bull! We all have seen how they let their drivers compete even if that looses them the championship... (Mateschitz, Horner dixit)

This has nothing to do with the regulations (which Red Bull has complied with, as did Ferrari in 2010's German GP) but with Red Bull's attempt in 2010 to assume a moral superiority in its sporting behaviour.

With such a gap at the standings this season between Vettel, Webber and the rest of the grid, what happened today is the closest I have seen to Schumacher and Barrichello in 2002's Austrian GP.


you forgot last year germany.

mark actually said that he ignored the team and tried to pass.


No,I didn't forget 2010's German GP, I actually refer to it in my comment!!! Ferrari has publicly held on its policy before, during and after that GP.

Mark (not)getting through makes no difference to Horner's unpresentable double-talk.

Mark is a great sportsman.


The Red Bull Racing (facebook.com/redbullracing) facebook page is absolutely blowing up, the press are going to have a field day, hope someone plays Horner the video of him condemning Ferrari's team order incident last year.


Team orders were illegal last year, this year they are not.

But I too prefer RBR's last year position, with letting their drivers race, even when the championship was very close...


Biggest talking point for me, was Mclaren having to change pit stop strategies because their plans were broadcast on TV. Isn't it the medias job to report on events, not influence their outcome? Broadcasting that message and the one on Lewis Hamiltons problems aided other competitors and disadvantaged Mclaren, possibly leading to Jenson's 4 wheel nut off/ 3 on pitstop. I foresee more coded messages in the future if teams are going to be disadvantaged by TV directors.

Does Jensen suffer more garage problems than any else? He's started a Monaco Grand Prix plus a radiator bung. DNF this one, minus a wheel nut. Was someone trying to restore the average, for Jensen driving a car with the right total number of components?


As I understand things, the Team Radio clips we hear are not live, they are delayed by up to a lap. I also believe that all the teams have access to all the other teams' radio communications. I'm sure there's a heck of a lot of radio we don't hear, 95% of which would be dull and mundane.

This does raise the rather interesting issue of who selects which messages to broadcast on TV. If we don't hear "maintain the gap" then we would never know what really went on would we?


No, they completely bungled the stop. Heads will roll.


So it looked like the diffuser row has benefited Ferrari the most. It is difficult to see they agree to roll back to Valencia specs from now on.


Horner on teamorders (this is funny): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV36FVWLXHI

"we let our drivers race"

"its wrong for the sport"


Hahaha! This needs to be distributed amongst the World Media!

Well found!


I can understand and support Horner's explanation on the order given to Webber today.

But what about his and Mateschitz's make-the-world-a-fool comments last season???!!!!

As Di Montezemolo said, too much hypocrisy...


Brilliant race by Alonso. With the speed he had in the last two stints it's hard to know whether or not he really needed RB's pitstop mistake to win. And what a wonderful wheel to wheel scrap with Hamilton and Massa in the last corner.

Truly epic grandprix!


Maclaren R.I.P!


R.I.P? One race? Remember Canada? China?

But McL need to do some serious thinking + sort out their pit stops, which have been slower than many other teams all season - esp. Red Bull.

Ferrari have done it!


Completely different situation to what Ferrari did last year.

1) There are no rules against it, unlike last year.

2) They weren't asking the drivers to change positions for the lead spot in middle of a race.

I'm not convinced they would of told Vettel to hold station though.


It's not about Red Bull breaking the rules, it's about them being hypocritical after saying they'd never use team orders, legal or illegal.


RBR are hypocrites... Plain and simple...


In all fairness, they did in Turkey 2009. Seb was catching Mark for P2 when CH? came on Sebs radio and said "Mark is faster than you". It was essentially a 'hold station' "suggestion".

Fast forward Turkey 2010 and a similar situation arose. This time Seb ran into the side of Mark and received a cuddle for it 😉


Hands off Vettek and RBR! I personally think Webber is playing a political card here, it's not in black and white. I'm sure most fans will be jumping on the bandwagon (evil Seb, RBR and Marko vs. cherub Webber), as it usually happens, but at the end of the day some drivers are Nº2 because they don't deliver: Massa, Rubens, Irvine... Taking points away from Vettel by trying to cause yet another crash - not an option from the team's point of view. Seb rules, Web vrooms (behind Seb and no offence to Mark's fans but he'll be doing Irvine/Jaguar next year).


Well RBR now used to be Jaguar before as far as I remember. Thats the same team mate ...


I used IRV's example just to illustrate an idea and yes, I'm aware of the history of RBR, maybe Mark will be doing Stewart/Herbert... His career in F1 is coming to an end anyway, time to cash in a bit and go to a smaller team.

Personally, I was disappointed by Webber's second half of 2010: he cracked under pressure in Korea, he didn't have the nerve - Seb had, Seb's the world champion. Mark is yet to produce a memorable performance in 2011, he's been doing a lot of political remarks (which are very popular with armchair experts/over-enthusiastic F1 fans), but politicking clearly didn't give him wings. Forget catchy phrases on the team radio, Mark - just deliver the results.


I don't think many people questions the rationale behind Vettel being No 1. That's sensible and so was the team order.

What irritates people, me included, is that Red Bull pretends that the drivers are equal. If that was Webber ahead there would not have been any orders, and we all know it.

Red Bull should just own up to their actions and drop the posturing.


Yep, Seb rules... Especially with his overtaking skills. Breathtaking...


And this is Vettel's racecraft for you. He could not find a way past painfully slow Hamilton and opted to pit instead. And when he was about to loose his 2nd place the team comes to the rescue. He has yet to impress me when he isn't in the front. He can drive fast, I give him that, but that's about it.


I guess he doesn't need to overtake as if his life depended on it, he's got roughly twice as many points as the second pilot in WDC.

This doesn't mean he is very good at overtaking but if you don't need, you shouldn't risk the race. He got 18 points in the end...


Mxx's post was about fairness - was his 18 pts fair, or a controlled, unnatural outcome to the race? Most people here seem to think the latter, from what I've read.


Good on Mark for ignoring the team. And, as he pointed out, what if FA had dropped out on that last lap, how would he then have felt duly following Seb across the line... I expect Massa wishes last year he'd done what Mark did today.


Yes, but Webber didn't get past, did he?


There is a huge difference in asking 1 driver to let the other PASS rather than telling them both to manage to get to the end 3 laos before the checkered.

The ironic part? Webber said he totally ignored it, which could be seen and he still didn't manage to pass Vettel who had KERS issues, so this is a lame argument only used by the most extreme anti-RBR/Vettel crowd.

Webber put himself above the team and then failed to deliver even when ignoring the team.


The KERS issue was either non-existant or fized by then, the graphis clearly show Vettel using his KERS every time it was up.


If the difference you mention points at Ferrari at last year's German GP, there are few others one to mention:

- Ferrari did it to keep any title options alive while both Red Bull drivers are... how many points ahead?

- Ferrari never made a secret of its policy. Horner:'We let our drivers race,... (team orders are) wrong for the sport'.

In my view this is not at all about Ferrari, RBR or any other team, but about hypocrats insulting our intelligence. To me your comment is unfocused and just shows what an extreme RBR/Vettel fan you are!


Webber could of just stuck one up the inside. He raced Vettel but kept it very clean.

What percentage of passes actually result in taking out the other driver? Horner seemed to suggesting it was a near certainty.


That's because Horner is already thinking of Lewis driving for Red Bull :-))))


Great to see a revitalised British GP, with a proper track invasion at the end to show that its not just the Tifosi who are passionate about racing! The British fans have been brilliant all weekend and I can't wait for next year!


great race and as a massive ferrari fan i was very happy and very surprised. i had expected ferrari to get stuffed here with the track layout but they were the fastest car out there by quite a big margin today. it has helped the diffuser clampdown but they must have brought a new development package worth close to a second here, i say this because they were very fast even on the harder tyres yesterday. i also prefer these diffuser rules if it makes for better racing up front. redbull being brought back closer to the pack is good because they have both championships wrapped up already.


I prefer the diffuser rules if it brings a win for Ferrari.

But perhaps it will only be........one.


My, my, my ... Am beginning to doubt whether I will make it to the end of this season in one piece for during the race not only do I scream like never before, but my heart rate & blood pressure are shooting through the roof & yes Lewis Hamilton is always to blame.

Please don't kill me Lewis.

Another classic 2011 race from start to finish though as a Mclaren fan it was a bitter sweet race for me.

I was glad Vettel didn't win another race but was gutted that-that Mclaren refugee Alonso won it *Fumes*. Oh well, no news papers for me this week!

Anyway Alonso drove a good race, was super fast, consistent & pressured the Red Bull team into a rare pit stop blunder but I hope he remembers to thank Hamilton for helping him build a gap over Vettel.

Urgh, Webber we just can't count on that bloke for anything, even to take some points off his teammate, he still not pull through. He should seriously think of changing his Twitter name - it's too much.

Aah Lewis, again made this race a classic with his daring overtakes till the last corner of the last lap, never-give-up defensive moves & all round awesomeness but what would have helped the slower Mclaren is a bit more rain. Neither way, thanks Hamilton *Applause*

Gutted for Jenson but again Ron Dennis is to blame here for when will he realize that his presence at Grand Prix is bringing bad luck to the team & now this is the 6th time that he has appeared at a Grand Prix & only one car made it home.

Meanwhile an interesting development this season, no driver has won their home race, so this can only mean no Vettel poking us with his finger at the next race. Hopefully it's the beginning of the end.

Thoroughly enjoyed the race & the driver of the day - Fernando Alonso Eww.


Dear Goferet ... ironic that Hamilton should have inadvertently 'helped' Alonso in the BRITISH GP where he himself would have loved to shine and stand on a podium ... was it irony ... or was it some well-deserved karmic retribution for Mr Hamilton?!?


Thumbs up!


"Team, team, team, blah, blah, blah ..." How did Little Jack Horner keep a straight face while spreading that BS today after the thrilling win by The Alfonzo? Love it.


This Grand Prix confirms two facts:

1. RBR have team orders, so please don't point fingers at Ferrari.

2. The two best drivers are still Alonso and Hamilton.


Different cicumstances when Massa was told to give up his place to Fred.

Today,with team orders legal now, Red Bull told their No2 driver not to pass their No1.

You can't compare the two,IMO.

Mind you, Horner is a bit slimy-double-standards

isn't he?

Reminds me of a British politician.....can't

remember his name just now.


Agreed. I was at the race today sitting at club, and seeing Hamilton take the fight to Massa, was breathtaking, the boy may be a brat sometimes, but dang it, he can race!! Unlike Mr One Finger.


RBR look like a bunch of hypocrites now!!!


Maintain the gap!

Same garbage in different package.


Surprise surprise, FIA makes a mess and Ferrari starts to win races...coincidence?


Not having to run the hard tire probably made a bigger difference than that. Alonso was very fast through sector 2, which I understand isn't heavy on the braking.


Are you forgetting that Ferrari won because:

1. RBR stuffed up their pit stop

2. Hamilton held up Vettel for 6 or so laps

which put Vettel 14 seconds behind


1. The Blown-diffuser ban was abolished with Ferrari signing it off - this now means that all engines go back to the way they were pre-silverstone. Ferrari could have blocked it but didn't.

4. Ferrari brought significant updates to Silverstone including a new rear wing, new exhaust and suspension updates.

5. Ferrari's wind tunnel was defective

during the first half of the season.

6. Pirelli changed the tire spec after winter testing which stuffed Ferrari's setup. And Pirelli is an Italian team!

In the German GP coming up, we should be able to clear up all FIA (Ferrari International Assistance) jokes once and for all.


+1...and the fact that every one forgets is that all the teams were actually fielding LEGAL cars this weekend for the first time this season. It just so happened that Ferrari came out tops..


Awesome British GP, as always but it's unfortunate to see Redbull making a rare mistake, allowing Fernando to win but that said, Ferrari really had the pace to challenge for the wins. How they achieved that pace is a bit controversial for me as they were silent for the week or so ahead of the GP and all of sudden after seeing their performance boost in the quali, opposed the revision of the ban along with Sauber. McLaren seems to have lost the most as they found themselves 1sec slower than Ferrari which is quite a shame. Martin will do a lot of answering in the following weeks.

Vettel meanwhile has extended the lead in the championship to 80 points.


Ferrari haven't exactly been quiet. They've been saying that Silvertone would be make or break for them as that is where they would have the their major upgrades ready and they've been saying this since Monaco/Canada. They've just been quiet wrt the whole EBD row but maybe that's because they knew their upgrades would work...just maybe? But hey, let's not let anything get in the way of a good conspiracy theory 🙂 Anyways, they've agreed to go back to pre Valencia rules so I guess we'll see in the next few races just how much Ferrari has improved.


Oh come on mate, do you think the rival teams make decision by watching tv? u got to be kidding! they must have more sophisticated technology to aid them to understand what's happening wth other teams. Dnt blame the media for it. if they didnt show all that the races would be rather boring frm a viewer perspective.


Great race overall - Alonso fully deserved it and looked quick. I hope we see a second half charge like last season.

Schumacher was robbed this race - his pace was immense and he lost 25 seconds in a farce of a Stop Go. Any other driver, or any other GP, that would go down as a racing incident.

Schumacher would probably have been up with Massa but for that.


This race crystalised three points for me;

1. Lewis... being quick and a good overtaker isn't enough if you don't manage tyres and fuel. I wonder where Jenson would have finished without the pit stop issue?

2. Sebastian... being quick and a good manager of tyres and fuel isn't enough either. You need to be able to overtake. This race has made the perennial accusation ring louder.

3. Mark, there's no doubt you're number 2 by a long margin. If not the radio message could simply have been "Sebastian, Mark is quicker than you"....


Can't understand why Ferrari keep dis-advantaging Massa all the time James, why didnt they bring him in to change inters????


He was kept out to act as a moving road block for Vettel. He was able to take a few seconds off Vettel, but when Seb passed him on the track (due to worn tires), Massa immediately came in.

Massa, unlike Webber, is the perfect Number 2 driver 🙂


so schumacher got penalised for his move, and di resta didn't? di resta was no where near alongside and terminated buemi's race.....and he got no penalty?

penalising drivers for making unintentional mistakes is getting ridiculous now.

which is fine........if the stewards are consistent. what is going on?


Interesting evening... (afternoon). Alonso was brilliant... Red Bull, disappointing call from Christian Homer. Perez, a fantastic drive. I think maybe Michael deserved a drive through, but a stop go was harsh. But, that drive really made me feel he's back, even moreso than Canada. Mercedes look like they may be pretty close to the top three teams within a few races. And, may I add, the last time there were two Aussies on the grid was before we had TV coverage of F1, so it was an exciting night in Sydney for motorsport fans!


Alonso wins but Vettel's bad day still nets 2nd. Says it all about 2011 really!

Lewis was entertaining but he burnt through a set of softs in 10 laps and got re-taken by Alonso. For all his racing brawn he has no racing brain. I don't know if his all-out attacking mode was responsible for having to go to fuel-save mode, possibly a team miscalculation.

O and I wish the BBC would stop insulting the fans intelligence by mentioning how boring the blown diffuser issue is every 5 secs. Stop dumbing down F1!


The driver (in this case Hamilton), has nothing to do with fueling the car. The team was responsible for putting the right amount of fuel in. They under fueled him for a few reasons:

1. Slow performance during wet Friday and Saturday practices, showed McLaren's fuel usage was low.

2. Blown-Diffuser ban meant only 10% of air flow/fuel is allowed during braking. The ban was meant to save fuel. Although, a figure of 20% was also mentioned. During the race, did McLaren's open up more air flow than was permitted?

3. The race started off as wet and on intermediate tires. The slow lap times would have meant less fuel would be used up initially, however, without further rain, the track dried up quickly. Maybe McLaren fueled for a wet race.

4. Teams generally underfuel their car to minimise weight. McLaren's were clearly stuggling so it would be justified to attempt to optimise the fuel level for maximum speed.

In general, you simply cannot put the responsibility managing fuel onto the driver. The aim of the driver is to go as fast as he can.

Managing tires is a completely different issue.

Mike from Medellin, Colombia

Today should have proved to Horner why he should have hired Hamilton.

A resurgent Ferrari is a big threat to Red Bull and if Vettel has to start from the second or third row then how the hell is he going to make it further up the field.

Very poor display from Sebastien and has proved that he is only able to gallop away at the front.

Suerb performance from Hamilton. Just imagine if Button's problem had happened to Hamilton....there would have been hoards of people saying that it was his fault due to lack of thought or patience.


You are clearly a big Hamilton fan.

Seb scoring pole means he is undoubtedly quick. I don't think any driver doesn't want to start from pole - including Hamilton.


I thought Alonso and Hamilton were superb today. At times it felt like the best two drivers in the sport vs. the best two cars (Red Bulls).

For me there are still questions to be answered about Sebs all round ability when he is not out front and cruising.


When you have two best drivers in the two best cars, you have the third best driver winning in the second best car - 2007 WDC won by Kimi (lost by Hamilton and Alonso).


As Alonso said, Ferrari were about 1-1.5s behind Red Bull at the Spanish GP, which is a similar type of track to Silverstone. So to suggest that the off-throttle diffuser issue has suddenly gained Ferrari 1.5s is ridiculous. The simple fact is that after ditching Aldo Costa they've made design progress and updated the cars. Lets not forget that since Monaco they've been the second fastest team.

Alonso could have won at Monaco without the safety car, they qualified 2nd and 3rd at Montreal and were unlucky with the weather, at Valencia Alonso finished a comfortable 2nd and was easily faster than McLaren. It's not like this improvement has come from nowhere. Alonso has galvanised the team, he never complained despite his car being far slower than Red Bull and McLaren in the first few races and as a result they've steadily improved.

Hamilton should take note and start doing the same to improve his team, because the simple fact is they've been outdeveloped by Ferrari.

Mike from Medellin, Colombia

And how exactly does the driver push this given that there is a testing ban??

Gains come from the wind tunnel and simulator.


Testing ban? Even at Fiorano?


Well seeing as they drive the car every time it's out on track at a race weekend you would think that their feedback is critical. Wind tunnels and simulators can only do so much. And it's not just driving the car, my point is that Alonso has demonstrated the way to get a team working well to improve a slow car, and that's by being positive and not criticising the team in public and galvanising them to give them the motivation to try harder.

Even Button is professional and never criticises McLaren in public, whereas Hamilton spends too much time larking around with pop stars, or when he's in the car, moaning about how rubbish his team is. Every top driver works with the team to improve the car, and whilst Hamilton is definitely a top driver, he gives the impression that he sulks rather than pushing the team behind the scenes to address the cars shortcomings.


Fabulous race from start to finish,and a thoroughly deserved win for Alonso and Ferrari,and even RBR,s Horner admitted even if Vettels pit stop had gone well,it would have been difficult to hold Alonso back,up to one point he was almost 20 seconds ahead. As for the rule regarding the EBD,and Ferrari having an advantage,i find it strange they have been quite happy to revert back when most seem to feel they gained most? Ferrari brought some major updates along this weekend,it wasn,t cobbled together in a few days,new rear diffuser,floor,all of which would have designed around the EBD rules prior to Silverstone. My guess is they will be even faster at Germany.Hamilton,Massa drove with passion,brilliant.


No problem with Vettel and Webber, both fair sportsmen. Red Bull might give you wings but Horner should know latest by now that a liar and hypocrat is caught faster than a lame.


Red Bull might give you wings, so Christian Horner can clip them!


Great drive by Alonso today. He kept calm in the early stages, and when he took the the lead, he put in some great laps to build up a huge gap to Vettel. Race win and fastest lap for Alonso.

I think Vettel was exposed here even more so than in Canada. He had so much more speed than Hamilton and was on his gearbox, but he seemed to lack that final bit of timing and bravery to pull off the move. So still have to question Vettels racecraft.

Hamilton also put in a good drive to 4th, with some tough but fair racing with Massa. Schumachers penalty was ridiculous especially given the conditions.

I don't object to team orders, it makes sense. But RB have always maintained that their drivers are free to race, no team orders, etc., so what they done today makes them hypocrites. It also confirms Red Bull is Vettels team, just as Ferrari is Alonso's team.


I think Hammy might actually get back on Alonso's Christmas Card list after that drive. He drove a huge wedge between Alonso and Vettel after the 2nd(?) stops and basically won Alonso the race.

The Red Bull team orders at the end marred an otherwise great GP.

Alonso a well deserved Driver of the Day I think and fair play to Schumacher for rising so high after his mistakes early on.


Great drive and win for Alonso, but I'm absolutely displeased with Red Bull's order for Webber. I would have understood it if Vettel needed the points desperately, but the gap to other drivers in WDC is massive, so 2nd or 3rd place for him wouldn't make much of a difference.

It doesn't matter if Mark listened or rather not (as he said after the race) to the order - the sole fact of giving it in a situation when the driver in front is comfortably 1st in WDC is simply awful. Especially in the light of Horner's last year's critics re Ferrari's team orders in Germany and him saying that "we let our drivers race". Very disappointed with this sudden (?) change of mind...


How sweet was to hear the Spanish national anthem, amazing. Alonso would have won regardless there were pit stop trouble for Red Bull or not.

Good stuff.


The difference so far this season: when Webber Hamilton, Button or Alonso have a disaster, they end up scrambling for points and maybe an outside shot at a podium. When Vettel has a disaster, he gets second.


The difference is.. put Vettel in a McL today and he will not reach a podium either....


Concur + Well said =)


Classic Alonso win. Give him a car which is half decent and with speed and strategy he 'll blitz the field. Bravo!

As for RBR .... the problem is not that they employ team orders. It is not even illegal any more and it is their decision. The JOKE is that they again made fools of themselves by publicly favouring Vettel over Webber and then trying to tell us that this is not so. They have a completly distorted perspective.


This is filtered down from Helmut Marko's distorted perspective on how to run a Formula One team.

Webber has said there was so much conversation going on in his ear during the last 4-5 laps of the race. Not only is that an extremely dangerous distraction for a driver doing 190mph and making 5-g turns, it smacks of sabotage...


5 short messages is not sabotage my friend.


A very good week end for Ferrari. Alonso is not the only winner of the magnificent scuderia Ferrari, the very telented frenchmen Jules Bianchi, who is part of the Ferrari driver acadamy was victorious yesterday in GP2, delevering a masterpiece performance in front of the wonderful british crowd. And if the championship lead is a bit far away ( plus an another frenchmen, who like Jules is thrd driver in a top f1 team), i really think that with these kind of races, and there is still 4 meetings left, that Jules can be in F1 next year, and why not at Ferrari to replace the underperforming Felipe massa, who seems to be at the end of his story with the italian team. We have three drivers susceptible to be in formula 1. Vergne if he wins the world series will be surely at Toro Rosso, that's Marko rules, Bianchi can be at Ferrari or sauber, and Grosjean at Lotus renault, to replace over-estimated Petrov, or the non charismatic Heidfeld, with the return of Kubica it could be a mighty team.


Most likely Sauber as Ferrari are known not to hire rookies, they prefer drivers with a bit of F1 experience under their belt, would be well deserved if he does land an F1 drive soon.


I think that may be Ferrari should try to gave their chance at a rookie driver. And if Ferrari wants to change Massa, they aren't many experience driver left. Plus the director of the ferrari driver acadamy has say that Jules coukd be directely put on in a Ferrari seat or at an another team. Bianchi has worken for ferrari for nearly 2 years,he speaks italian well, and even Alonso said that he's got a huge talent. When you see how slow massa is compare too Alonso, im sure that Bianchi will be as quick than alonso, and why not do the same think that Hamilton did.


A couple of tenths slower is suddenly a huge gap? Why isnt Button not being eaten alive for being just as slow compared to Hamilton as Massa is to Alonso?


again look at it simply. most teams complain about pirelli pre season(when ferrari are superfast). Pirelli change the tyres (as commented by jarno trulli) all of a sudden ferrari have no pace.

so please dont say rules are changed to help ferrari. they have lost this title due to a bizzare late change in the tyres which is a much bigger effect on performance than the diffuser.

also most of you are only moaning cos it also appeared to hurt mclaren...i remember when we all thought it would just hurt red bull most here where like 'bring the ban on' but now mclaren are struggling its 'NO NO NO, BAD FERRARI look what they have done!'


you also noticed..funny how that is 🙂


Great race, great win for alonso. Interestingly the fasteset laps of the race were set on in laps, so in theory if massa and webber drove thru the pitlane on the last lap they would have passed hamilton and vettel. Whats the bet if schmi was in that position, he would have done exactly that.


The drivers were told they would be penalised for this.


It's really sad, more than disgusting, to read so many tinfoilhat comments about how this race was "fixed" for Ferrari. Really? BCE would do that on British soil? That isn't helping his ratings. He'd fix it for McLaren.

Ferrari was quiet on this one and are "OK" with either direction.

But just as we heard a lot of uproar after Germany last year (though Nigel Roebuck thought there was no reason for that), especially from one Chris Horner, there will be a lot of ridiculous talk about how Ferrari fixed this. Right...

Frankly, I think Ferrari should make all of such "fans" happy and leave "Formula One", and go race in a proper series, with Audi and Peugeot.


James, I think it was with 15 laps to go that we heard Hamilton's engineer saying 'we're still not saving enough fuel'. The implication being that he had actually started to save fuel some time earlier than that.

After Vettel's bad stop, Hamilton was in second, right behind Alonso and trying to overtake. Then he suddenly started to lose 2 sec/lap to Alonso and Vettell soon caught him, and jumped him at the next stop.

It seems from this evidence that Hamilton started to save fuel from the point when he was less than a second behind Alonso, about 20 laps from the end.


Hamilton said he started coasting and went into fuel saving mode 21 laps from the end.

Jeremy (cape town) South Africa

Well done FA!!! Mclaren should fire Martin immediately. Ron,please comeback.


Very positive to see, Jeremy, someone who is a McLaren fan (or who at least appreciates McLaren, from how I read your post) who can appreciate a victory by Fernando Alonso. Your sportsmanship is well appreciated!


Looking at 'body language' at the end of the race, I'd suggest that Mark Webber will be driving for Ferrari next year.


looking at ALL the body language, so will Vettel.


I noticed that too. Stafano and Mark seemed very friendly. Contrast that to how Mark reacted with Sebastian...



Where is it, I wonder, when the car is not 1 sec faster than anything else?

I was reading about abikities of Vettel and how gat he is and I was looking forward to a moment when he is not going to have by far the fastest car so that he will need to chance. This moment came today and I think people will understand that when you have a car that is so much faster, you are not risking...you wimply cruise and control and wait for the action to develop behind you. So you crusie and the likes of hamilton, alonso, massa, rosberg fight, race, crash...damage car as they try to change something.

Today it was any easy win for Alonso...he did not need to do anything special, he was simply superbly fast and he was controling the race, the same way vette, did in all races this year.

Anybody can do it..........


I thoroughly enjoyed the race from start to finish and whilst not a Ferrari supporter thought Alonso deserved his win.

The commentators said they were confused after the race by Hamilton's gushing radio transmission to the team. I think that he was simply trying to make amends for his recent rants.

One of the commentators (possibly Eddie)said in the forum after the race that Button was also considering moving to another team. Have I missed something or is this a feeling within the inner sanctum of the sport?


Ch. Horner: "I can understand Mark's frustration in that, but had it been the other way around it would have been exactly the same."

Yeah Sure.

Also, what a race all the front runners on the same pace (almost) fighting for positions, best GP for me this year so far


I agree. We couldn't have Mark Webber passing the little golden haired boy now could we!



To all people that claim the rule change was done to help Ferrari I suggest to backtrack everything that happened over this matter in the last week. How many times this rule was change and in fact it was changed to help Mercedes and then after Renault complaining over reliability it was changed yet again to give red bull a boost. Who would have said that ferrari was the reason?

Only at the last moment it was said that everybidy is equal....ferrari and cosworth was not even consulted.

Besides, ferrari agreed to bring it back and so i see that they do not care


Is Schumacher faster than Rosberg during the race these days? Or is this only true in damp/mixed conditions?


yes he is. He was on average faster than rosberg in the later stages of the turkish gp even though it wasn't wholly visible due to his track position. Michael was around equal on pace with nico in Barcelona and much quicker than him in Monaco before his car went up in flames. All in all he is on an upward trend with his average speed advantage over nico usually increasing substantially each race. His one lap pace is still not up to scratch though, even if i was just 0.063 off p6 in q2


Maintaining position is a fairly common practice even for RBR.

Have a watch of the 2009 Turkey GP where that instruct Vettel to hold station behing Webber.



Wow, amazing how many people compare this to Germany '10 and Austria '02. Although I dislike any team orders, this was very different. No one was robbed of a win, no one moved over to let a team mate through. "Hold position" team orders happen very very often. You might not like it, but you can at least judge it in the correct light. McLaren did it in Turkey last year, Red Bull in Turkey again the year before (with the cars the other way round too, so how does that fit the Red Bull favouritism?)

And if they favoured Seb, they wouldn't have given Mark the pit stop advantage while Seb was leading. Compare that to Ferrari, where Massa's strategy was sacrificed for Alonso's at every pit stop. Made sense, as Alonso was ahead, but RBR could have easily done the same and didn't.


No one's moaning about team orders, but people are moaning because Red Bull got on their high horse last year and said that they were a team that never issued team orders and ALWAYS let their drivers race. It's just hypocritical and

Horner looked weak trying to fudge an explanation when clearly the explanation is that they favour Vettel. It would be better if they were honest about it like Ferrari. It was easy for Horner to say they would have told Vettel to hold station of he was behind Webber because the question was hypothetical, but I really hope the situation does arise in the near future to see of that would actually be the case.


Maybe with all the penalties recently, I get used to them, but:

1. Schumacher made a mistake, he admitted that, no need for a penalty, especially a stop-go (although I know why it was chosen)

2. Di Resta and Hamilton deserved penalties if Shumacher got one. As well as pushing the limits of the "one move" rules put in place because of him, he (I believe) tried to take Massa out when Massa passed in the DRS zone earlier in the race. Then he did use Massa as a brake and rammed into his sidepods, no attempt to make the corner, just basically crashing. I don't buy his excuse either.

Anyway, other points, team orders are legal, they're part of the sport, Red Bull utilised them, get over it.

Alonso won that race on merit, clearly the fastest driver on the day.

Vettel has proven enough so far that he can overtake, but still people can't admit is.

Perez got some good points, which is nice for Sauber, I would love to see more double points finishes like what Australia should have been.

Where did the Williams pace go?


"Vettel has proven enough so far that he can overtake, but still people can’t admit is"

Really? You mean beeing many laps stuck behind a car 0.5-1 sec slower than yours and only overtaking him when he has to start saving fuel? That is proving you can overtake? What people must admit is that Seb is one of the worse face-to-face drivers on the grid, and that has been proved every time he has to overtake or hold position.


Not just in this race but others before it. I believe in Spain, he had to overtake plenty of cars on his outlap to make his strategy work.

Even in this race, Vettel was faster than Lewis on a section of the track where it was not easy to overtake, especially with the wet track off-line. Yes Lewis did it, but I never said Vettel was in the same class, but he can overtake.


On tires SEVERAL SECONDS A LAP FASTER Vettel can overtake, or using DRS, but otherwise he stuggles pretty much more than anyone.


James, just interested - are you able to tell us from which lap Hamilton was told to save fuel? Did it affect JB at all, or was he out of the race too early?

Edward Valentine

A great race and a fantastic drive from Alonso. Button had a bit of bad luck indeed but he was able to show yet again why he is the best overtaker on the grid - might he go to RedBull for next year?


Hi James,

When you do your race strategy report, can you look in to Hamilton's running out of fuel? Do you think McLaren miscalculated it or they took an aggressive gamble? I would imagine that the cars were using less fuel at the start as they were running slower (wet track). Did Lewis use too much fuel in the middle stint? Isn't it ironic that the Mercedes engine uses fuel for over run and they almost ran out fuel?!

Any thoughts of doing an article on steward rulings? I know it could be a touchy subject but may be an article highlighting the trends/changes/infamous incidents of the last few years? I remember everybody was happy when ex-drivers were to be part of the stewarding decisions, everybody thought that a drivers perspective would make for fair decisions. On the contrary, some of the decisions have been puzzling, sometimes inconsistent and bordering on the harsh. I know many have mentioned it but did Michael deserve a penalty? Why not a drive through but a stop and go?? Would be interesting to hear your thoughts!



Thanks James.

Slightly off topic question; When the cars are weighed at the end of the race, how do they account for missing body parts?

I was looking at the scrutineering regulations (26.1.8.c) which allows for accidental loss of components. We have seen drivers pick up marbles on the cool down lap to get that extra weight margin. In F1 where a few grams matter, how do they make sure the car weight is within limits? Do they replace a wing for example and then measure it or do they assume an end plate weighs x kilos?


Good question. No idea! Should look into that.


I realize that Vettel-bashing is a favorite pastime with many, but I see no problem with Red Bull telling Webber not to pass on the last lap. It was the sensible team decision and quite legal this year. Whether or not Vettel has the "race craft" to please some, his strong points make him a deserved WDC. Amongst them, today as in Montreal, he is a superb rain driver. If rain is the great equalizer, then he is more equal than most. His failure to pass Hamilton I believe can be attributed to Hamilton's expert ability to defend. Also, kudos to Button for not crying about his misfortune.


In agreement there. It's probably Mark's strongest track and alas I can't see him winning a race this year now. Hope I'm wrong.


Seb, isn't this a sham? You're the World Champion, you're supposed to be best driver in the world and Red Bull are reduced to begging on the radio to make your team-mate slow down, so he doesn't overtake you, suggesting the results aren't really what we've seen. How do we know you're a worthy champion?


Can't blame Vettel for that. Chris Horner comes off more than a bit hypocritical after his remarks regarding Ferrari's management of the German GP last year.


Ahh team orders. Alonso could have cut back Seb's championship lead even further if Webber had gotten 2nd.

I love the irony.


What wasn't Mark permitted past Vettel to have a crack at Alonso ?

Horner talks about consolidating points. The team loses nothing by letting Mark past to have a crack at Alonso.

Horner lies when he sais they want to consolidate points and no-one is bigger than the team.

They are protecting Vettel and he IS bigger than the team.


Can someone please explain this to me:

Last year:

When Seb crashed into Webber (Horner/Helmut said otherwise), Mark was blamed and Horner/Helmut said that he should have let Seb go as Seb is much faster (lets just ignore that Mark was told to go on fuel saving mode when clearly there was no need).

Silverstone 2011:

Mark was told to maintain the gap (read: dont overtake Seb) when clearly he was the faster man.

I am really confused...

Good on Mark for ignoring the team order (if he really did ignore it) but I am afraid that this will damage his chances of retaining the seat at RBR.


Webber contained himself on the podium and at the post race conference, but you can see he was really frustrated and why shouldn't he be.

Tell me this Mr Horner, if it was reversed i.e. Webber in front of Vettel would you say "maintain gap".... I think not.

Actually I think we are being too hard on Horner, that order came from higher up the ranks within RB IMO anyway.

If they really wanted to try and secure a RB 1&2 for championship the orders should have been "Webber is faster, allow the pass". This would have given more points to Mark and edged him further away from Alonso, Hamilton and Button. It's unlikely that Vettel won't win this year given his form and current points standing.

I just don't understand the RB management and I hope this really fires up Webber to now go and win the German GP!!

Also well done to Alonso, hope we see more of this and more of the others taking wins, we need it!!


If what Mr Horner says about 'The Team' being the important thing and with RBR having the Constructors Championship and I'm sure the Drivers Championship already locked up isn't it in 'The Teams' best interests to now make sure they secure the 2nd palce on the Drivers Championship and therefore should have let Mark race/pass Vettel so he would have a bigger buffer to the 3rd place driver in championship points?

Some people are very quick take a look at the last parragraph of info on Christian Horners wikipedia site for what the 'facts' say about RBR after last nights race.


If Mr Horner believes his call was in the best interest of 'The Team' and they already have the Constructors and (I believe) the Drivers championships locked up, should they not be trying to also secure Marks position in 2 on the Drivers table and therefore let him pass Seb so as to get a bigger buffer to the 3rd place driver on the table?

Some people are quick - Take a look at the final parragraph on the Christian Horner wikipedia site for what the 'facts' say about RBR after last nights race.


Any chance of making ANY comment at all on Red Bulls team orders James? As a journalist I thought it would be at the top of your list.