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Reality strikes for Schumacher
Posted By: James Allen  |  09 May 2011   |  7:15 pm GMT  |  208 comments

Michael Schumacher cut quite a forlorn figure in Turkey at the weekend. And after the race he confirmed that impression when he admitted that he wasn’t really enjoying his racing at the moment, “The big joy is not there right now,” he said.

The seven times world champion seemed to be relishing the improved competitiveness of the Mercedes car in free practice, but wasn’t able to deliver the expected lap time in Q3 when it mattered.

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In Q1 he was just over a tenth off team mate Nico Rosberg’s best time and it was all looking good. I was even beginning to think that I might be talking to him in the Top 3 unilateral TV press conference at the end of qualifying. In Q2 it was 3/10ths, but in Q3 he trailed Rosberg by a whole second, putting him 8th on the grid.

In the Mercedes motorhome for the team press briefing afterwards he seemed quite down about it. He couldn’t explain why the performance hadn’t been there, he’d just not had the grip he wanted.

His race was affected by a collision with Vitaly Petrov soon after the start, which knocked his front wing off. Petrov went on to finish 8th, but Schumacher was 12th,

“I guess I was responsible for the result that I had,” he said after the race. “With Petrov, I guess it was mostly my mistake what happened there. I need to analyse it, as it was a bit strange that suddenly we got together and I lost my front wing, but the race was a given from there – lots of fighting, lots of action, but for nothing.”

Schumacher effectively lost 30 seconds having to make that early stop for a new nose. If you take 30 seconds away from his finishing time, he would have been somewhere around 6th place Jenson Button, whose pace was slow at the end on worn tyres, so the collision was costly.

Last year he had a tough time coming back after three years away and finding that the Bridgestone tyres, with weak fronts and strong rears, just didn’t suit his way of driving. To some extent he was powerless to change his own fortunes.

But when the results don’t come in a competitive car, then a driver asks himself questions.

This year the Pirellis are the other way around, stronger at the front than the rear and he has been quite quick in races.

With a car which was capable of qualifying third in Rosberg’s hands and looked like Red Bull’s closest competitor over a single lap, he clearly expected more and was disappointed not to be able to deliver it.

He probably accepts that due to his age and time out of racing he’s a few tenths slower than Rosberg, but the Mercedes could turn out to be a contender this year and you can always tell when a driver gets a sniff that there may be a chance to do something special. Schumacher needs a podium at the least to make the comeback worthwhile, to give it some real justification.

We have to be careful when ex drivers of a similar age to Schumacher say that his age has nothing to do with it, as Johnny Herbert has said this week, for instance, or Jacques Villeneuve has said several time. It is in their interests to say that as they are all hoping to get paid well to drive competitive cars in their 40s. I don’t think that Rosberg, Vettel and Hamilton are “better” than Schumcher, they are just better than he is now.

If he feels that the joy isn’t there at the moment, then the main reason for the comeback is undermined. He missed racing and so he came back to enjoy himself.

I don’t go along with people who say that he’s damaging his legacy. He won seven world titles in his prime, no-one can take that away from him. There are one or two problems with his legacy anyway, due to controversies he got himself into, but what’s happening now has no impact on what he achieved before to my mind.

This period of return has simply been an epilogue, which has yet to find its sense of purpose.

As to whether this will hasten his second retirement from F1, who knows? He is still Michael Schumacher and his name and status are still of huge value to Mercedes. He has a contract to the end of 2012, that’s another 35 races at least.

There are stories of Mercedes priming Paul di Resta for the seat as soon as next year, but he still has to develop and show consistently some of the quality he showed in the first three races.

Di Resta had a tough weekend in Turkey, incidentally, due to the death of his step-father, Dougie McCracken, who lived with Di Resta’s mother in Scotland and who had apparently committed suicide according to the Daily Record newspaper.

Meanwhile here’s something new, a video blog from Nico Rosberg. He’s going to do one after every race, which is a good idea and something we must hope all drivers will get into in time.

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Just because Michael Schumacher has 7 championships, doesn’t mean he is that good. He could have had poor competition. It is all relative.

Just remember what movie won Best Film in 1977 : “Rocky”. Surely, no one in his right mind, would equate this movie with the likes of : “Gone with the wind”, “Casablanca”, or “Titanic”.

What makes a driver great is the Wins to Starts ratio. Also Poles/Start and Fast Laps / Start. In the modern era (> 1960) the outstanding driver is Jim Clark with 46% 35% 39%, MS is at 25% 34% 28% but these numbers will be DROPPING because his “Starts” are going up and I don’t see any Poles, Wins or FastLaps coming!!

Also, when your team mate goes quicker, you know you are a loser!

Stephen Kellett

Wow, sad for Di Resta and his family.


I will be there at the Indian GP (hopefully) and the only reason I am going there is Schumi.

I don’t care whether he wins or gets a podium. I just want to see him racing and enjoy the moment.

And I sincerely hope they do let him finish the contract. He is a 7-time world champion and that talent doesn’t go off so easily.

It just seems that all in the world is turning against him and that puts him in a bad spot. He will be arising like a phoenix and will answer his critics. He is too good to be mediocre and I hope all the gentlemen who are taking a swipe at him now, truthfully praise him after he has achieved the seemingly impossible.

Come on Schumi! Come Alive!


Unlikely. If Schumi does come good later this year, there will be a bunch of people who say it’s a parting gift from Bernie or some such.

Haters gonna hate.

I’m also going to the Indian GP this year mostly because Schumi will be driving there. I would’ve waited a couple of years for all the hype to die down before going to watch, if he hadn’t made his comeback.


I think Schumacher would have come second best to Alonso and Hamilton if he was at his peak now rather than when he was at his peak 10 years ago.

Clearly he has been better suited to driving the fastest car in the field and having more artificial advantages. Now he’s not in a dominant car he is suffering.


Even Lewis or Alonso wouldnt agree with you mate. MS was around 1 second faster than his teamates, something Lewis and Alonso can only dream off.

Here, he was one second faster than Rubens

He can only won with the best car?

96 Ferrari was a dog and he lapped four seconds faster than anyone in Barcelona 96 and won dominantly. How do you explain that?

Oh how about Barcelona 95 which he stuck with 5th gear for 30 laps and finished 2nd.

Get your facts right mate.


When Rubens went to Ferrari, the first time he qualified alongside Schumacher he was less than a tenth slower; second race, same thing. Funny that as Rubens “settled into” Ferrari he got slower relative to Schumacher rather than as you would expect getting more comfortable and being allowed some input into setup and direction…. If they’d both been at Mclaren, I’d suggest that the gap would have been a lot closer….

Regarding the stuck in fifth gear incident, Williams tried that with Hill in testing and found Hill could achive the same sort of effect – no magic there.

Ferrari were winning in 94 and 95 – Alesi was clueless at times although quite fast – if someone had managed him effectively they’d have probably have achived 3 wins that year – Alesi’s first 10 laps on slicks @ the Nurburgring were spellbinding – but he was an idiot for falling asleep after that…. It was Alesi loosing not Schumacher winning there.

Who did Schumacher beat in the 96 Spanish GP – Villeneuve in his first ever wet F1 race and Hill who spun off. The Ferrari was faster than the Benetton in qualie and finished ahead in the race….


So let me get this straight. All of the f1 experts including Ron Dennis think that MS was easily the best of his generation, and you have a very different opinion based on your conspiracy theories and facts such as MS didnt beat anyone, its either the entire grid or even the entire f1 screwed up or he had the best car.

Great, I thought JA was targeting a very different audience.


Could have, should have, would have but it didn’t happen.

The thing most of your logic could be applied to most of the drivers. “oh he won championship with the best car” but then who didn’t. Who did Lewis beat in 2008 wdc? Massa? (not to take away Lewis achievements, just want to demonstrate your logic). The fact that you think his performance in Barcelona 96 is nothing special says a lot about your bias which is your right but it just fall into the category of those who loath him, nothing new.

Let me quote JA’s comment,

“I don’t think you can argue that. The details of what he used to do with a car show that he was very special, plus he raised the bar in terms of a driver interacting with his team”


Age – the thing is his race pace is fine but he’s slightly off in qualie. An overweight and race unfit Mansell proved his qualie pace on his return to Williams in ’94 after 18 months out of an F1 car (showing Damon show fast the Williams really was) at the same age as Schumacher is now.

He (Schumacher) under-estimated the advantage he had over his previous team-mates during his career – now he has to compete fairly he’s been found wanting. As I said previously if the team was built around him, he had 10 x more practise than his team-mates and his car was the most competitive (or the standard of oppostion was a lot lower than now), he’d be fine.

Johnny Herbert had to race with Schumacher’s pedal setup in ’95 in case Schumacher needed his car…..


Come on Damon was like in mid 30s back then, don’t manipulate the facts. The most superior driver gets the better treatment, thats the same for Lewis and Alonso and there is nothing wrong with that. The efforts go where the pace is. Is it really that hard to understand?


And Mansell was in his 40s… William’s and Bernie’s 1994 plan worked insofar as Mansell (on his return after 18 months out of F1) pushed Damon into getting his first pole in that car (just!) – an impressive display from Nigel…. He wasn’t fit but he was still quick.


Strictly speaking, Mansell didn’t take a break. He was driving in Indycar through the 1993 season. Powerful single seaters over a smattering of street and road courses. That doesn’t count as a break.


Did Mansell take 3 years break?

Like someone said, it is your right to have that view. But too bad, no f1 team boss, including Frank Williams does not share that view. And surely James Allen himself doesn’t agree with you either.


Couldn’t agree more. Also tyres engineered specifically for him and contracts written so he was no.1 in the team and had the fastest car in the team. Amongst I’m sure multiple other artificial advantages.


None sense. When you have tyres wars like Michelin vs Bridgestone, both of these suppliers support their leading championship contenders, including Alonso and Michael. Some people really……..


Well Ferrari worked the political angle and got practically exclusive use of Bridgestone tyres specifically tuned for Ferrari while Michelin had to work with multiple other top teams. During 2003 Ferrari hired Luciano Burti to drive something like 80 days non-stop evaluating tyres for Michael… And the FIA had to change the rules on tyre widths that year to stop Raikkonen from taking the championship… 🙂

Personally given their spend over Mclaren and Williams, Ferrari should have won every race from 2000-2005…


“This period of return has simply been an epilogue, which has yet to find its sense of purpose.”

Whan an eloquent line. You certainly can write, sir.

Brian Morrison

Very simple from my point of view.

I was happy to see MS go in 2006, his previous on-track behaviour made him beyond the pale for me. I know this will be violently disagreed with by many, but in my mind I always think of MS as a 6 times WDC and Damon Hill as a double WDC.

It seems now that he can’t dominate without the old situation of having everything in his favour.

So on that basis, he can’t leave F1 too soon for me.


Well, I guess it depends on where you come from obviously. To many people, outside of UK, MS was banned for a few races which allowed Damon to catch up. It was very clear that if MS wasnt leading the title by a country mile he wouldn’t have been banned for a few races, may be 10 spots grid penalty. So Damon gained a large number of championship points unfairly thanks to FIA who needed to sell F1 tickets.In 94, MS was clearly the far better driver and he is a deserving champion. Damon was never a worthy champion.

Brian Morrison

Well there we’ll have to differ, to me the difference is that one of the two drivers is a gentleman, the other isn’t. Nothing more to say for me.


You mean the gentleman who took out MS in 95?


Michael has made his comeback in one of the most competitive periods in Formula One history. The cars also place massive physical demands on the drivers. His maximum heart rate will be 20 bpm slower than Vettel due to the age difference.

If Michael had returned in a different era then his car control and experience would have compensated for the age difference.

I still think with the right car he could challenge for race wins. Perhaps a NASCAR move might be a better match.


Most of the TV commentators saw MS at fault on the collision with Petrov.

People that make a living out of watching cars going around in circles, should have noticed that Petrov totally missed that corner and cut in MS trajectory, who left enough room for Petrov to go by.

Petrov mistake was quite visible at normal speed. At slow motion, should have cleared MS of any wrong doing and any doubt these TV experts did not actually have. All of them making fun of MS just as the car collided and did not even gave the benefit of the doubt and wait for a replay.


I hope Michael goes for the record of oldest f1 driver.

Alberto Dietz

…and WDCx14, therefore allowing others to enjoy eating crow.


I think one of things that we can’t understand about his situation is the fitness level it takes to drive an f1 car.

In my experience, when went to Muay Thai 2 hrs intensive training while having hangover, I did ok.

But when I went to gokarting (kf2) with a little bit of hangover, I was like 2 secs off my own pace. Ofcoz I knew the lines and the track well, but my body didn’t allow

me to perform the extra bit. The kart was all over the place unless I go slower. It’s difficult to explain why. Basically it felt it’s like a wired way of lifting weights and resisting forces, and your body simply tells u to slower. So

I feel that motorsports demands more than combat sports training does, in terms of cardio etc.. I know f1 and Schumacher is totally a world a part, but may be it’s just achievement itself to be an f1 driver at 42.


Schu-mui needs a visit from Mr Miagi!

Wax-on, Wax-off

I hope he takes another win! I want to witness the Schumi ‘victory jump’ on the podium!


Very fair article. One of the reasons why I respect James more than any F1 journalist, he tends to be fair towards everyone and put the sport in front of politics. On the other hand, I feel bad for people like Stirling Moss, Johnny Herbert more than I feel bad for Schumacher. It must have been hard to live with such resentments for so long.

Andrew Chapman

In my 30 years of watching F1 if a driver retires for a year or two then comes back he’s either immeadiately as quick as he was or significantly off the pace.. Prost return to Williams or Mansell to McLaren, JV to Renault etc.

After 20+ races it’s not MS that’s dominating the team is it?

If he was still capable of running at the front it would have already happened, clearly Nico is the faster driver (and more consistent). As Nico’s race craft improves and his confidence get even greater things can only go one way. I can’t see any historic precedent which would indicate things are likely to change.

MS is still a great driver in terms of what he’s achived – but title no.8 is just not going to happen… He knows it and so do we….


is rosberg:schumacher really all that worse than vettel:webber? if you were to put schumacher in webber’s spot i really don’t think he’d do much worse, and i have a hunch that a good car would give him the drive to actually pull closer to vettel than webber seems capable of.


I for one have the outmost respect for Michael Schumacher, I think what he has achieved is definetely nothing anyone can forget. I am one of the people that are desparate to see him win or end up on the podium at least, I think this might help to alleviate the pressure and then he can have a more refined sense of focus on how to be more competitive.

You often hear people talk about what a bad idea it was for him to come back , what this kind of thinking is suggesting is that Michael should rather have stayed at home because that way he does not run the risk of tainting his legacy by returning to a sport that he clearly missed and not be competitive against this new crop of drivers, Michael should rather play it safe . But not Michael ,he obviously doenst believe in playing it safe he chose to come back he did not fear not being competitive, he chose to comeback because in his mind he believes he can still win. I think it takes a lot of courage and grit to make a decision like that.

Sure its hard for him at the moment, I’m always wondering what state of mind he is in right now especially when you take in account the critisism he gets from his old rivals it cant be easy for him , like David Coulthard’s “the writing is on the wall” comment(Saturday qualifying) he is clearly finding it very difficult to conceal his animosity towards the guy. I dont doubt that he is not enjoying himself , I hope he continues racing in 2012 , I hope he returns to winning ways. As for his comeback its been very difficult no doubt about that but that does not mean it was a bad idea for him to comeback he really missed racing, I mean he was very good at it before he retired and I am sure he still is , its just that he has returned to a sport that has clearly undergone massive changes from when he retired and I think some of his critics know this as well but of course they wont say it, it serves their purpose of tainting his image to always be focused on the notion that it was a bad idea for him to comeback. Most people in F1 know how to use media to their advantage and having the success like MS always attract attention , I am not saying its because of other people that Michael is not doing so well but I think there are certain people that fuel his difficulties. I really hope he has time to adjust to this new style of racing(CLEARLY NEW TO HIM) that Mercedes do not lose their faith in his abilities and replace him with someone like Di Resta. I think he just needs to find his rythm again and understand this new style of racing ,set up and other aspects of his car. I really want to see how he is going to get through this.

Chris Anderson

Schumacher just needs to learn how to bring his practice pace into qualifying. He has just been a bit unlucky He also should do two runs in Q3 and not just the one run.

Drivers such as Herbert just make themself look stupid by saying he has lost non of his speed and its not his age. If thats the case than what does that say about their own career.

I also was annoyed with Brundle and DC’s commentary laughing with snide comments about Schumacher. We get the point neither of you like him but theres no need to bring into the commentary box.


Here here! If he was nothing special back in the day, then those that raced on the same track must have been hopeless


I would disagree with this to a degree. I think Brundle clearly has a lot of respect for Schumacher as a driver, and I feel he often conveys that.


The quote after qualifying from Schumacher in Turkey, “The more I pushed on my last lap, the more went wrong”, seems to explain the problems that he is having in a nutshell. I feel that he is trying too hard to make things happen. I think he should let things come to him more, instead of him trying to force the issue. If he can do this, he will definitely be very much more competitive.


I’m guessing that what Michael really misses is the winning. I also suspect that his problem is not the car, but the fact that he is now just like any racing driver with say the exception of Alonso and Vettel who experience priviliged positions within their teams.

Mercedes may listen to him and respond to his needs but he is no longer THE team. He is no longer the centre of its world.

In my opinion, Michael was not always the fastest racer and Rubens on occassion was testimony to that. His special power that gained him most of his titles was his ability to forge a winning position a winning team around him, to maximize his potential, including making himself number one.


Schumacher was really nothing special in the same way that Vettel who is dominating the sport right now is nothing special all things being equal, they both simply got lucky by having most dominant car on the grid with a team mate who knows his place.

Schumacher should count himself fortunate that the Ferrari dominated for so long during the noughties, I think even he has now realised that much of what he achieved was aided primarily by Ferrari dominance of the sport.


I’m on the fence regarding Schumy; I’m not a fan due to his past blatant unfair actions; I agree with Mark’s point that many drivers are ‘good’ thanks to being in a good car and team (so many good drivers were demoted to lowly teams and sank into the mire)…

BUT there were also illustrations of brilliance that make him special. I started admiring him (sometimes through gritted teeth) ever since years ago he was in the lead in a Benneton which then lost all gears except 5th. He still managed to finish SECOND – with only 5th gear available!!!

However I do think he’d only get a podium through a fluke race (mass pile-up of the higher-cars or something), and sadly his time has come and gone; it will be awkward to still see him on track next year, with so many other fast drivers available to fill his seat.


You have a view that’s held by countless fans who loathe Schumacher. Which, is certainly your right.

That said, isn’t it a bit funny that throughout his first career, virtually no one within F1, mechanics, engineers, drivers, media, team principals, etc. ever really suggested this?


You should read Michael Schumacher’s edge of Greatness by James Allen you will see that you couldnt get any further from the truth.


You seem to forget, that before Michael Schumacher joined they were no where near competitive. I am not saying it was entirely because of MS that they became competitive again it was a team effort , a team which he was very much a part of for the longest of time from when they were no where near a championship team contender to when they became know as the most successful team in the history of F1. Ferrari was dominant yes no doubt about that, they had a very superior package in the early 2000 onwards, one might argue that it is because of this superiority that he won every race but also take note of the fact that it was because of his ambition and hunger that he always used a very superior package to win a championship every single year maybe if it were any other less ambitious driver he would have had a lot of near misses in winning championships. A similiar thing can be said about Seb Vettel he is in a very competitive car and he wants to maximise his chances of winning grand prixs every opportunity he gets, he wants to be pole at every qualifying session, he wants to win every race . To do this you need to be consisitent and most tend to overlook this, drivers need not only to be fast but consistent as well.


I don’t think you can argue that. The details of what he used to do with a car show that he was very special, plus he raised the bar in terms of a driver interacting with his team

Conrad M. Sathirweth

I think the problem for Schumacher if he does decide to hang up his helmet for good is how he does it. Because if he retires imminently or if carries on getting beaten by Rosberg and then retires at the end of the season if may look like a bit of a failure and retiring with his tail between his legs. So he may (if Mercedes let him) see out his contract as a more dignified final bow.


If the man is so ‘past it’ as some of you seem to think, then howcome him and Vettel won the race of Champions for their country, and by the way where was Coulthard?? If he puts the yellow on the back of his helmet again then he will win – yeah I am supersticious!!!!


ok guys, have actually read ALL comments from first to here, and still i’d love if anyone could please, please, please explain something to me which i feel VERY confusing and very difficult to understand.

firstly, what is going on??? when at certain times in the last two years, be it either in qualifying, practise or race, the net difference Schumacher and Rosberg is just (+/-) 0.005s to 0.100s i mean, that is particularly nothing, is it not? now depending on how high you rate Rosberg, that time difference is pretty damn close. compair it to the differences whichever team-mate pairing you’d like to(Vettel/Webber, Button/Hamilton, Alonso/Massa, etc).

and then, what is going on???? when just a few months ago, at race of champions cup 2010, vettel lost most of his races in the nations cup, and it was schumacher who single-handedly won them the nation’s title for the German team? Vettel said he was lucky he had Michael.

and finally, what is going on – right now???.. whereby three hours ago he’s 0.001s at the top with Vettel in FP3, three hours later he’s 1.1s slower (with a lower fuel load), and then 24 hours later – disaster.

so basically, what is it?

is he fast, not fast? is he slow, not slow? does he have speed? does he not have speed? does still have the skills, or does he not?

his car control and reaction time is still extraordinary, if you look at various incidents. FP2, pushed off the curve by Sutil into wet patch of the grass, it must have taken superhuman reaction in order to be able to save the car and prevent it going into the barriers.

turn 8 he was putting in the MOST steering input into the car (for whatever reason), and i believe Petrov or Maldonado would have crashed or spun it otherwise.

Massa passed him on fresher tires and DRS at the final turns, but Schumacher executed a perfect switchback to retake the place. that was brilliant. Massa then forced him wide at turn 1 where he lost the place to Alguersauri as well, but then he was the ONLY driver in the entire place to attempt and succeed in passing Alguersauri on the outside at turn 8! without DRS or anything, just pure skill and bravery.

but then on the other hand EVERYONE is critical of his race-craft at this moment. they say he doesn’t know how to drive, and his skills are as if far inferior than all other drivers on the field, and that he is getting passed left right and center by everybody else. isn’t Rosberg also getting passed by everybody else?


could someone PLEASE explain kindly? what is the real situation? what is going on here? what is the truth of regarding Schumacher’s ability right now?? where does he really stand?


Well I guess I’m not everyone because I’m not critical of his racecraft. Where does he stand? I think Michael is extraordinary in his abilities, but this is Formula One, and the difference between a world champion and the rest often seems as if all the stars have aligned for one man and not another. I do think Michael is trying too hard, we saw this last year with Vettel, who made a lot of foolish mistakes, but now is as calm as can be. Michael is as experienced as they get, but he is trying to live up to his own legacy, and every time his goals get within his grasp they slip away. So I think most of what is going on with Michael is Michael. Michael in his carrer has had some low moments where he kept pushing and came a cropper when others would have brought the car home with whatever they could get. The drive and the push is what made him a champion, and as we’ve seen with other champions, such as Senna or Hamliton that extreme drive can also get them in trouble too.

All of the ingredients are there for Michael to do well, in time they will.


I think the main problem is his consistency under the pressure of qualifying.

His practice times are often fine, but he seems to take longer than Nico to get the car set up to his liking. There is also nothing wrong with his race pace or consistency.

However when the pressure is on to deliver a single quick lap in qualifying he often struggles to put a fully clean/quick lap together. Many drivers will know what this is like – when the body becomes tense due to nerves and suddenly you can’t drive the car with the same ‘freedom’ as usual. You make more errors under braking, you don’t carry as much speed into the corner, and your right leg suddenly loses some it’s throttle control. It’s an awful feeling, and probably the reason Michael looked so unhappy after qualifying in Turkey – it’s something he’s not used to. The fact that the team (rightly) decided to only do a single run in Q3 would have simply added to the pressure and nerves.

I really hope Michael doesn’t give up on the back of this performance though. The next three races (Spain, Monaco, Canada) are circuits he’s always gone very well at, and hopefully Mercedes will bring upgrades to make the car a bit more drivable.

If however the situation is the same after those races i think it might be time to call it a day.

As a long time fan this comeback has been very hard to watch on occassions.


Are Brazil going to give Pele a run out at the next World Cup because he has won 3 WCs and has the best record of any footballer ever?

History counts for nothing.

Schumacher is simply not good enough. He was not good enough when he started last year, and 22 races later he is still not good enough.

I personally think he lucked into F1 when Mansell, Senna and Prost disappeared. He also had poor quality team-mates who were given little time with the car and on the occasions they were ahead, team orders forced them to hand over their wins. So the record flatters him. Good, but not the best ever by a long way.

Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton are all far superior drivers. Hamilton has had two reigning World Champs as team-mates, and beaten both… in the same car…. without team orders. Class… and balls. He fears no one.

Schumacher would never have accepted Hakkinen or anyone so good as team-mate, certainly not without team orders.

His wins were as much off the track as they were on it. He was a good driver, probably the best of his time. But there were few genius drivers in that era. Rosberg is better than people give him credit for, and far better than any of Schumacher’s previous team-mates. Nothing wrong with that car… as Rosberg is showing.


Strong argument, much to back up.

And the fact that no top driver tried to be his teammate suggested that may be no top driver got enough balls to say “hey look I want to join Ferrari and beat Michael”.

In fact Ferrari and Michael did approach Alonso, it was Alonso who refused to join Ferrari and joined Renault instead. So get your facts right mate.


No hot young driver with in the sport for only a year or two, and with no WDCs or race wins would turn down Ferrari in their early 2000s prime, even if undoubtedly it would have been to accept #2 slot.

Alonso went to Renault because Flav was his manager, and was running the Renault team. I can find no references to back up your claim that he turned down Ferrari. Since you like to talk about ‘facts’, perhaps you can find a reputable news story to confirm this? The internet is very big, and Google is very powerful. Off you go mate…. get your facts straight… and then post a reply.

I am not sure when you claim this approach to have happened, but considering that Alonso won two world titles at Renault, toppling Ferrari’s years of dominance, it was an inspired stroke of luck that he went to an inferior team because he was scared of MS and then lucked to two WDC wins, don’t you think?


Facts? haha it was in “The Edge of The Greatness” by James Allen. And how about that?

Michael saw his potential in his early days, and the guy was always following the young drivers and I could imagine he and Jean must be discussing about who is going to take over him.

Todt and Alonso did agree for a test drive with Ferrari and Alonso opted for Renault for whatever the reason is and that offended Todt.

“A slow teammate and a fast car is the way to go”.Ever heard of this famous rule ?

I wouldn’t say scare but who would have confidence to beat seven time world champion in the same car which is exactly what my point is. You can’t blame MS just because others didn’t challenge him.

Oh I know you are one of those who believed the second driver theory but the reality is that you can’t slow down a driver because of a contract, ask Lewis or MS himself when he played second fiddle in 99.


He was never as great as the records show. People forget just how far ahead his Ferrari was as well as his team-mate never being allowed to truly race him as well as the many rather peculiar decisions in his and Ferrari’s favour during his dominant spell (there was so many of them – one day maybe somebody in the know will have the balls to truly reveal them)!

Just look at how Rosberg is dealing with him, if he was team-mate to Alonso, Hamilton or Vettel then the gap would be even greater.

Sad all the same to see him humiliated this way, he should go now.


And people like you never remember his ferrari wasnt anywhere near a top car in 90s. Yet he managed to dominate a few races with that, Barcelona 96 for example

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