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Webber the “number two” driver dominates British Grand Prix
Posted By: James Allen  |  11 Jul 2010   |  3:15 pm GMT  |  165 comments

Mark Webber won the British Grand Prix today and afterwards radioed the team to say, “Not bad for a number two driver” – a comment on the anger he still clearly feels about the team switching the front wings yesterday before qualifying.

Lewis Hamilton had a very strong afternoon in the McLaren, finishing in second place despite the difficulties the team had this weekend with the blown diffuser package and with general handling problems. Nico Rosberg finished third.

It was also a great day for the revamped Silverstone circuit which showed that the changes really have promoted overtaking. There were some great passing moves throughout the race; into the new complex, into the revamped Brooklands and into Woodcote. A huge crowd over the three days, including a record 85,000 for practice on Friday was a further shot in the arm for the circuit, which 12 months ago thought it had hosted its last British Grand Prix.

Webber admitted that he had been very angry when the team switched the front wings yesterday and was very motivated today.
“I’ve had a few hurdles in my career. You judge a person’s character by how they come back from adversity,” he said. ” Yesterday I wasn’t happy, but today went well for me. Some of the drivers offered me their front wings on the drivers’ parade..Seb didn’t.”

He added that he would never have signed the contract renewal last month if he had thought he would get the number two treatment. He called it an “appointment with karma,” in other words what was wrong yesterday was put right today.

At the start, the cars on the dirty side of the grid generally got better starts. Webber passed Sebastian Vettel into the first corner, Vettel ran wide at Copse, after slight contact with the front wing of Hamilton’s car, which sliced his right rear tyre. Vettel then went off the track at Maggotts, getting a puncture in the process. Alonso got a poor start and was swallowed up by Hamilton, Kubica and Rosberg into the first corner. Massa’s front right wheel tagged the side of his team mate Fernando Alonso’s car, also getting a puncture.

Vettel switched to the hard tyre at his stop on lap one and was 84 seconds behind his team mate at the end of lap 2.

Button got a great start from 14th to 8th, as did Kobayashi who jumped from 12th to 9th. Barrichello was strong at the start and managed to get up to fifth place by mid-distance.

Webber piled on the pressure in the opening stint, but Hamilton did well to stay within three tenths of a second a lap, given how poor the handling of his McLaren had been in qualifying.

Kubica headed the pack behind, with Rosberg battling Alonso for fourth. Alonso pitted on lap 13 and tried to undercut Rosberg, but he went wide at Copse on his second lap out of the pits.

Rosberg tried a different tactic and pitted on lap 16. It worked and he rejoined ahead of Kubica in the final podium position. Kobayashi also jumped Schumacher in the stops.

Button had also tried the same tactic as Rosberg and stayed out until lap 22, he jumped Barrichello and Schumacher by doing so. It took him to fifth place, which became fourth when Alonso hit problems.

Alonso and Kubica got into a furious battle, Alonso passed him off the race track but argued that Kubica pushed him wide. Alonso was told to give the place back but he didn’t need to because soon afterwards Kubica retired with a rear axle problem. However the stewards decided that he had overtaken when off the road and was given a drive through penalty.

Alonso was very critical of the stewards in Valencia, after the incident with Lewis Hamilton passing the safety car, calling the result “manipulated”. Most observers felt that this decision against Alonso in Silverstone was harsh.

To make matters worse for Alonso a safety car was deployed on lap 29 before he served the penalty. So he had to take the penalty after the restart which dropped him right down the field.

The safety car was a blessing for Vettel, who managed to cut through the midfield after the restart passing plenty of cars. He had a great scrap with Schumacher for 8th place, failing to pass him the first time, but nailing him into Brooklands. He took seventh from Sutil just before the finish.

Ferrari took no points in their worst result of the season.

Webber had a lot to say about the number two treatment he received on Saturday and made it clear that he will not put up with that again in future. Another intense and heated discussion with the management is likely to take place this week and one wonders how sustainable the situation is between the two Red Bull drivers. This is a pressure cooker situation which needs a release from somewhere. What happened at Silverstone made the situation worse and it will be much harder for the team management to smooth this one out, not just with its drivers but also in terms of public perceptions.

BRITISH GRAND PRIX, Silverstone, 52 Laps
1. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1h24:38.200
2. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes + 1.360
3. Rosberg Mercedes + 21.307
4. Button McLaren-Mercedes + 21.986
5. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth + 31.456
6. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari + 32.171
7. Vettel Red Bull-Renault + 36.734
8. Sutil Force India-Mercedes + 40.932
9. Schumacher Mercedes + 41.599
10. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth + 42.012
11. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes + 42.459
12. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 47.627
13. Petrov Renault + 59.374
14. Alonso Ferrari + 1:02.385
15. Massa Ferrari + 1:07.489
16. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth + 1 lap
17. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth + 1 lap
18. Glock Virgin-Cosworth + 1 lap
19. Chandhok HRT-Cosworth + 2 laps
20. Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth + 2 laps

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hi mark you win grad prix i my so happy for you i get your photos and i like to see you is a formual one for me i not like criminal minds mone i like you mark good luck to this yaer i hope you win



Can you explain the new rules related to the safety car? I couldn’t tell who it was for sure, but either a Red Bull or Toro Rosso car passed the safety car after the safety car line as it came out of the pits for the exploding Sauber wing.

Why did that driver not get penalised? Who was it?


To answer your last question first, I do believe it was Jaime Alguersuari who passed the safety car at the pit-out blend line. The reason why he wasn’t penalized is because the safety car had a green light displayed, indicating that approaching drivers could pass without penalty. See Art. 40 in the Sporting Regs. for the particulars.

The new safety car rules are essentially this: the safety car will now be deployed only just before the race leader approaches, and not as soon as a safety car is needed. Further, the ‘delta-time’ for the drivers circulating during the safety car period has been increased.


something that people have not remembered is Hamilton was given a drive-through penalty for overtaking Vettle by cutting the corner in France 08.


Seems like Randy Mandy’s big bum still wobbles her a bit to the right hand side on occasions…especially when her sister tries to show her up…

As for luscious liz…a few panadol and she’s alright…to think that Vettel’s Red Bull mechanics sent her to the cemetery with letters of RIP :))


BPR POWER Ratings Update following the British Grand Prix:

(Out of 100.000)

Lewis Hamilton – 94.988

Mark Webber – 93.714

Sebastian Vettel – 93.193

Jenson Button – 91.091

Robert Kubica – 90.445

Fernando Alonso – 88.786

Nico Rosberg – 88.600

Felipe Massa – 83.763

Adrian Sutil – 82.848

Rubens Barrichello – 81.980

Michael Schumacher – 81.038

Jaime Alguersuari – 77.512

Sebastien Buemi – 76.139

Vitantonio Liuzzi – 76.116

Vitaly Petrov – 73.334

Kamui Kobayashi – 72.656

Nico Hulkenberg – 72.418

Pedro De La Rosa – 70.841

Heikki Kovalainen – 53.087

Jarno Trulli – 50.079

Timo Glock – 47.369

Lucas di Grassi – 40.404

Bruno Senna – 39.850

Karun Chandhok – 36.815

Sakon Yamamoto – 35.375


What are these based on?


Here’s a condensed explanation:

The BPR formula rates the performance of each driver/entry for each round relative to a theoretical perfect score of 100. The perfect score is “theoretical” because it is based on the premise that the fastest and/or winning driver/entry represents the maximum possible performance in any given race weekend.

The data for each driver/entry incorporated into the BPR formula includes: (1) Fastest qualifying lap time; (2) Fastest race lap time; (3) Mean race lap time; (4) Finishing position; and (5) Laps completed. Each discrete data-set is weighted to reflect its correlation to finishing position. For instance, an entry/driver’s mean race lap is correlated to finishing position at a rate approaching 3x that of its fastest qualifying lap.

A “Reliability Rating” is incorporated into the BPR formula to reflect the ratio of laps each driver/entry has completed over the course of the season. Any driver/entry which is not classified by the FIA at the end of a race will be given an “NC” designation and not receive a BPR score for that particular round (there are various reasons for doing this, mainly related to the statistical flaws which arise when comparing complete and incomplete data sets). However, the laps completed by a driver/entry will be counted towards the Reliability Rating regardless of classification.

In the event a driver/entry does not complete a representative qualifying lap, the BPR formula’s qualifying lap input will be calculated with the fastest practice lap set under like or similar track conditions.

Further explanation here:

And, the full Round 10 table is here:


If you recall the radio conversation after the race, the first comment was a rather sarcastic one from Horner: “You can start smiling now”

That would have been enough for me to go off my nut given the treatment handed down over the past month or two. I don’t blame Mark for meeting such a comment with what he said.

The evidence is mounting thick and fast, and it began long ago:

1. Glum faces after Germany last year for Mark’s maiden win

2. Mark going out first in the second part of Q3 a few races back (and I think he went out first every time in the first ~3 races of the season)…remember his “I’m not sure what happened there” comment???

3. The Turkey blame game, where the F1 fans and media all knew who was wrong, but RBR took a different line.

4. The spec front wing incident in Britain

A fantastic day for F1, it’s a pity I only saw a replay so couldn’t look at the live lap times, but apparently Webber was reeling off consecutive fastest laps during several parts of the race.


p.s. there are rumours of Horner being sacked on another website…any truth to this? Strangely for Mark, it might actually be a bad thing for him, as Marko might be in charge!


The tone of the ‘official’ response from Ferrari, delivered by their press chap, Luca Corajanni, to the BBC with regards the penalty was in direct contrast to how they dealt with the Hamilton penalty.

Restrained and respectful are words that spring to mind. I can’t help thinking that the FIA discussed their response to the previous incident in some depth with them.

Shame some might think.

Isn’t Alonso obliged under the rules to make himself available to the press post race? Did he go off in a sulk or was he physically restrained by Ferrari staff from aproaching a microphone?

I couldn’t watch the race at home with my F1 mates, nor go to it, as my daughter, rather selfishly I thought, decided to have her birthday on the same day. I was allowed two hours to watch it and to my surprise almost everyone else watched the start. Their motivation being what they saw as unfair behaviour of Red Bull with regards the wings. I must have heard someone saying: Red Bull takes your wings a dozen times or more.

There was general rejoicing with Vettel’s puncture and these were people who normally would not have watched it live and only a few would have bothered to watch the recorded highlights. It was certainly good advertising, although perhaps not for the image of RB.

The post race ‘second driver’ comment, especially knowing that it probably would be broadcast, was a bit of a mistake but then Webber’s only one on the day.

Vettel made a bigger mistake at the start. He got away slowly so instead of pressuring Webber (like that was going to work) he should have concentrated on keeping Hamilton behind him.

Excellent BBC coverage. Even my son, an ITN producer, had to concede that. I watched the programme in full last night and enjoyed some entertaining interviews. It must have been a full moon as Eddie seemed to be in attack-dog mode.

Horner’s comments on the start, with Webber getting the drop on Vettel and then running wide, was quite restrained. I can’t help thinking that the decision on the destination of the wing wasn’t his (help required here, James) and that he’s left managing the fallout.

Even those I was with who never watch GPs knew of the two RBR incidents and some had watched the Istanbul race (highlights) just to make their own minds up. There were some quite informed opinions, all leading to the RB takes your wings bit at the end though.

It has been a PR disaster for RBR and all of their own making.

Alonso’s error was not initiated by him but it was poor judgement not to give back the place immediately. That said, the rule needs looking at, and closely. It came about in different times and with different people, or perhaps person, and the motivation at the time seemed to be to justify a decision already made.

But now we have a situation where drivers might be frightened of overtaking. Is it too much to ask that a designated steward should be available in such circumstances to give immediate advice to a team/driver as to what they should do?

Spectacle is everything and we have enough processions without the rules favouring those who block effectively over those willing to try.

McLaren’s errors with the front wing denied us what might have been a good race at the front.

On this blog we are spared the opinions of those who only dip their toes in GP racing but I discovered yesterday that Vettel shouldn’t try to grow a beard to look older ‘cause it doesn’t work; that Alonso is generally regarded as a bit of a whinger and refusing to talk with the press was seen as ‘typical’; that Silvestone looks like a building site; and, from the girls, Horner is a bit of a dish.

You live and learn.

Good race, well done the BBC. And as for Red Bull: get your act together.


Well that really was the weekend of karma wasn’t it?

I predicted on Saturday night that something would snap with the Red Bulls. We saw so many of the traits of the Turkish incident again. Vettel moving into Webber, Webber not going anywhere. Vettel showing a lack of awareness as to where grip would be best and as to where Webber’s car was going to end up.

Vettel didn’t get off to the best of starts but as the saying goes you don’t win it at the first corner but you can lose it there. Vettel’s idea was “I started badly, must impede Mark”, karma dictates that sort of thinking will only bring harm to yourself. He was so absorbed in his moves to ruin Webber’s getaway that he didn’t have the awareness that he’d go off track or that he’d put himself in a position to puncture his tyre.

Webber must be delighted now, he’s ahead in the driver’s championship and if Red Bull Racing aren’t to appear extremely hypocritical they’re going to have to favour him now.

Karma too for Alonso. People will remember his European Grand Prix mostly for his whining about Hamilton’s safety car jump and subsequent penalty that didn’t affect his standing. Again karma dictates if that what you focus on it’ll come back and get you and it did.

Alonso dealt with it quietly, perhaps mindful that in Valencia he brought into question the validity of Ferrari’s entire marketing effort.

So we’re halfway through the season and there’s a sort of inevitability about Hamilton being at the top of the driver’s championship. Interestingly he’s never had the fastest car but with some superb qualifying and racing performances he really has been the stand out driver of the season so far.


I have some ideas on the future of F1 (engine specs, fuel specs, overtaking, racing, qually, safety). Please read at


OK, two points everyone seems to be missing:
1. If the safety car did not come out MW would have lapped SV. How funny would that have been. And how poor SV was 2 seconds off the pace before he had an opportunity to pass people.

and 2. Alonso was on the radio claiming it was a fair past almost before he got off the grass! The guy new he had cheated, he should have just given back the place.

Mike from Medellin, Colombia

Hi James,

Are you going to publish your mid-season driver rankings?

I would guess:

1) Lewis Hamilton

2) Mark Webber

3) Sebastien Vettel

4) Robert Kubica

5) Jenson Button


I agree too, except I would put Kubica ahead of Vettel


This order, I would agree with!


Well deserved win by Webber but it was always going to be easy once Vettel got the puncture. The cornering speed of the RedBull is just immense.

James. Do you have any idea if the other teams (engineers) have the understanding of how RedBull achieve the immense downforce for their cornering speeds and if they believe they can respond next year?


Yes they understand quite a bit, but it’s hard to emulate.


Confident commanding win by Mark Webber. Three wins this season and could so easily have been 4 but for curious antics of his team. Webber looks like a number one to me.

Maybe all those years of: “Rule 1 – the red car wins, Rule 2 look at rule 1” are being balanced-out – though Alonso has had some rough calls lately.

Mercedes-Brawn have two cars, a ‘Silver Arrow’ and a ‘Grey Nomad’.


Webber did great today with a win. Great response to the team giving the new wing to Vettel when it was his in the first place cause Vettel’s broke.

Basically he said to them: Right fine, you can do that, but I’ll show you that I can still out perform him even with the new part.

He was given a proper motivational kickstart for today and he maximised it.

As for the Alonso incident. Yes it was similar circumstances to the Spa ’08 situation with Kimi Raikkonen and Lewis Hamilton at the Bus Stop chicane, but I believe the additional point in the matter was that he didn’t give back enough of an advantage BACK to Kimi on the pit straight.

People said that he wasn’t on the throttle for a lot of the straight, but onboard footage around the internet discounts that statement.

In this particular case, however, Alonso didn’t give back the place.

Now I don’t know if it was because Alonso felt he was ahead as they entered Vale as well as being shoved off the road that caused him to think he didn’t have to return the place.

The Kimi and Lewis situation in Spa was rather touch and go, they were practically level.

Either way it is consistency in decisions between these particular incidences.

However, Alonso had a previous case in 2006 at Monza when he overtook Heidfeld into the Rettifilio chicane. He had to go across the grass in taking the place and nothing came about it and I remember Martin Brundle saying it was hard to judge since Alonso got a nose ahead in the braking zone and Heidfeld didn’t have the pace to re take the place.

So steward’s decisions can still be somewhat “inconsistent”. I say that because this year is the first year we have had former drivers on the panel as well.

Horner's Vet Helmut

Absolutely loved that race, almost fell off of the couch as he squeezed Vettel offline. 4:1 odds on Webber winning the WDC, well worth a punt now.

Good for him to speak his mind over the radio waves. I don’t think it was petulant, but rather calculated. He certainly is proving to be a blot in Red Bull’s copy book.


People moaning that Alonso shouldn’t of received a penalty due to Kubica going out,has got awfully short memories.

The precident had already been set in Spa’08 when the stewards gave the race to Massa.

By giving a penalty to Hamilton even though Kimi had already crashed out.


Alonso was very critical of Lewis in Belgium ’08 when Lewis had been deemed to gain an advantage from cutting the chicane (again to avoid an accident, probably more so in that case AND that’s not when the overtake happened!). Alonso should have let Kubica back through at the time. Also, something missed by Martin and DC (you expect Leggard to miss); Button was racing to come out of his pitstop ahead of Kubica, had Alonso still been behind Kubica, Button would have jumped him also… So by Alonso cutting the chicane, he managed to get ahead of Kubica and pull a gap on Button that meant Button didn’t jump him.

What really annoys me about Alonso is he then avoided the press afterwards… In fact, should he not get a fine or something for that? I was sure drivers now have to make themselves available after the race.

Alonso just needs to calm down and let his driving do the talking, Mark Webber style!


Only the top three finishers can get fined for not taking part in the post race ceremonies,which also includes a public debriefing.


Is that still the case? I thought they introduced a rule a couple of years ago that all drivers had to do media interviews after the race.


The FIA will publish the weights of all cars after qualifying at each Event.

For greater clarity for spectators and media, wet tyres have been renamed “intermediate” and extreme-weather tyres renamed “wet”.

“On the first day of practice all drivers must be available for autograph signing in their designated team space in the pit lane.

All drivers eliminated in qualifying must make themselves available for media interviews immediately after the end of each session.

Any driver retiring before the end of the race must make himself available for media interviews after his return to the paddock.

All drivers who finish the race outside the top three must make themselves available immediately after the end of the race for media interviews.”

During the race every team must make at least one senior spokesperson available for interviews by officially accredited TV crews.

Kyle Busch will never be in F1 for sure.


I recall DC some years ago reflecting at a post-race press conference when he finally won the Formula One “career grand slam” of Monaco, Silverstone, Spa and Monza.

What price a “calendar grand slam” for Webber in 2010? That would be a big step towards the WDC…


Red Bull doesnt give Webber wings and yet he still flies to victory!

They have the fastest car but it seems if they’re to win this season, they’ll have to fight themselves the most.

Good race, and great to see Silverstone, the crowd and everything looked really awesome.


Wow! As many others have said, poetic justice indeed!!!

Very happy for Mark. I always thought well of Vettel, but these two incidents have left a bad taste.

And Alonso’s penalty? Petty injustice. Yes, technically he should have given the position back, but a drive through after Kubica has already retired? Complete overkill.


Given position back, end of story. Ignoring to do so during laps 17 and 18 only made it worse for himself. Well done, Nige.


Did Jenson Button run the Softs today at all during the race? I think he started the race on Hards, piited and took Hards again! Or did he start the race on Softs?


He appears to have disproved the received wisdom that pitting first gives you an advantage. Have we seen anyone else doing that this season?


He started the race on softs, pitted and ran the rest of the race on the harder compound.


He started on softs and made them last I may say.


Awesome Webbo…

Don’t forget – he won in the chassis which was apparently no good according to Vettel.

I have to also add – hats off to Mclaren – Lewis did an amazing job. Button’s hanging on by the skin of his teeth – using superior race craft to make up for his dismal qualifying – the gaps widening and I can see why people are expecting fireworks in this camp soon too.

One would assume there is a point in the season where all effort will be transferred to on driver.


Is Vettel being investigated? Looked like he just drove straight into the side of Sutil.


I agree, it could have easily been a replay of his overtaking manouver in Turkey, more-so if he had of turned right in to Sutil, but never-the-less, same driving skill/judgement (or lack of) shown.


A popular win for Webber! A good race for the McLarens. And a very good podium for Rosberg.

Just what is happening at Ferrari is a mystery. The people at the pits should help their drivers by making key decisions and getting it right is very much important now because they only pit once these days. Ferrari’s people in the pits need to be more responsible. This is not the first time they have screwed the race for their drivers.

And Alonso is to be blamed as much as Ferrari. A good start and he could have easily got a podium or maybe a win. It is time both the parties shut up and work towards achieving a common goal.

Massa is a disaster. I know he is back from an accident and is doing good. But he seems to have major difficulties getting past drivers in the race and will suffer if Ferrari can’t sort their Qualifying. If Alonso is to have any chance of WDC this year, then it is time Massa starts supporting him by putting consistent performances.

Schumi had another bad race. Frankly I am wondering is it a problem with the driver or the car itself. He is not able to finish races strongly and is very much affecting his end position. They will have to rethink their pit strategy for Schumi and not club him with Rosberg. His pace is not strong during the end laps.

Ferrari’s challenge is over this year! With a hot head and a slow coach on track plus a bunch of no-good in the pits:(

Time to start working on 2011 car(gutted to write this)


A great race (yet again, another ‘old’ circuit gives us drama, overtaking and a packed house), and a great result for Webber – undoubtedly Driver Of The Day.

But honourable mentions for Rosberg, Kobayashi and Barrichello, plus five of the six new teams made the flag and only two laps behind the Red Bull. Who would’ve thought back in Bahrain that HRT, for example, would come in only two laps behind a car that was absolutely planted on one of the fastest circuits on the calender being driven by someone who was a man possessed.


Agreed JimmiC.

The new teams having been taking some big steps over the past few races. Hats off to them all. I would like to see Senna back for the rest of the year though please. I see some controversy in this decision too…but since it’s HRT not may seem to care.


A great result for Webber and for Mclaren, after being on the back foot after friday’s practice session.

Although, now that we’re half way through the season, i’m still slightly amazed to find that with the performance advantage that the Red Bull have had up to now, that they are not leading the both championships. Just shows what a good job Button did in the Brawn last year.

Also, superb new track, vastly improves the show at Silverstone.


I’ve commented elsewhere about the different perspective that Red Bulls failings have put on Jensons championship last season, but it also shows how much better Brawn managed their drivers in similar situations last year.


Pleased for Webber – karma indeed – but once he was past Vettel he’d basically won, such was the pace of the rb. Not a bad drive for a no.2, but not a showstopper either.

And what about Ferrari’s number 2? What has happened to Massa?


There is something deeply emotive about the way poetic justice has an ability to draw people together. This was justice served raw and cold. Also, lest one forgets, Webber, just a few days ago, was traveling upside down at over 180 mph! I must admit, I wasn’t a great fan of the Aussies but my word, does grit and determination change your perception.


James…I’ve been a Mclaren fan all through my life. After a long time, this year, one really sees Mclaren making the right strategy calls, traditionally its weakness.

Is this attributable to Martin Whitmarsh’s leadership?


“drivers tracker” is a great staff. So I hope that BBC will keep going with it. It is much easier to “read” the race. Big thanks BBC.


Cograts Mark! You’ve made us Aussies proud.

Keep sticking it to Horner and Red Bull and show them what you’re made of.

As for Alonso, he seriously got screwed by the stewards [Mansel]. He either hates Alonso or Ferrari.

The place could have easily been given back to Kubica but he retired so I fail to see how that’s Alonso’s fault.

GO MW! 😉

Thomas, Canada

Great win for Webber, he has won over a lot of new admirers this season, including me.

RBR and McLaren are neck-and-neck in the championships, but RBR are a million miles behind in driver management (Horner too young and similar in age to the drivers perhaps??). What a stupid situation they created this weekend.

Contract or no contract, surely Webber and RBR will go their separate ways by seasons end?


Delighted! Not sure if seb is involved heavily in the decisions in the team to the detriment of webbo (an article here maybe James?) Hope not, but if so i’m not really surprised. I think RB are under pressure to justify the young driver policy hence all the problems. Bottom line, webber is a better driver. Take away last years injury pre season, and his bad luck with car failures and he’s more impressive. Reason? Mental strenght. He’ll win the WC this year.


Re: Alonso, It’s very simple – “during practice and the race, drivers may use only the track”. Alonso gained an advantage through not doing so. Ergo, he should have given the place back [b][i][u]AT THE NEXT CORNER[/u][/i][/b]. He didn’t. Ergo, he became eligible for a drive-though or Stop/Go penalty. Game over.

[Telling him to give the place back is tantamount to a final warning. If you don’t – or by that point can’t – then you get penalised because the stewards can no longer turn a blind eye to it. The rule-breaking is, however, holding onto the place for ANY length of time.]

Oh, and for those saying “Kubica retired, so Alonso didn’t gain an advantage” – how far ahead of RK was Alonso when Kubica was forced to slow by his car trouble? There’s your advantage gained, measured in seconds.


Spot on, Zippy.


The other rule says that you should leave a room in the corner for a driver what is alongside you. And Kubica didnt and simply pushed Alonso off the road. So it wasnt Alonso deliberately cutting the corner – it was a consequence of Kubica not leaving him a room. Strictly speaking it still could be viewed as a breach of the rules, but taking into account that Kubica retired anyway and that stewards chose not to punish many questionable offences earlier in the year, this decision is very harsh and inconsistent.


C’mon all you guys with dubious English skills (I’ll say no more than that), have a bit of grace – Alonso drove off the track to pass Kubica, cutting a corner – the only reason he was ‘alongside’ is because he didn’t brake for the corner – he should have given the position back straight away (cf Spa 2008) and even if he didn’t want to THE FERRARI TEAM SHOULD HAVE ORDERED HIM TO. He didn’t, they didn’t, and the rest (Kubica’s retirement a few laps later and the SC coming out) was plain bad luck. Alonso has only himself to blame, and Ferrari too can only blame themselves. Alonso is a great driver, but today’s bad call, his Hamilton obsession and his carelessness in other incidents this year (jump start, etc) is all down to him. Self-pity is ultimately self-destructive.


Alonso passed illegally (he knew it – he was on the radio pretty much even while he still had four wheels off the racetrack!) and he wasn’t savvy enough to give the position back straight away – desperation sometimes makes people lose their rational thinking skills, so at least he can say he was acting in the heat of battle – but Ferrari weren’t clever enough to order him to do it either. Tough. They broke the rule, they got punished. Their collective stupidity is to blame. Be honest, if Hamilton had passed Alonso using the same off-the-track shortcut and then driven away, would not Fernando have launched into his Valencia radio crybaby routine again?


I suppose your Spanish, Polish, Portuguese or Japanese skills are much better than our English? 😉


Try watching replay – Alonso was alongside Kubica already in the straight and didn’t brake too late, they both braked at the same time and went into the corner side by side. Thats completely different situation when somebody dives into the corner by late breaking – for example in Spa 2008 Hamilton was behind Raikkonen in the straight and went alongside him already in the breaking zone. I think the biggest failure there was Mansell. He should give advice to the stewards and help to differentiate such situations. Yet the stewards took very formal decision not taking into account the whole situation.


Yep, we all could see that Race Control acted exactly in the same way in Valencia. Exactly the same, fast and fair decission: in Valencia, HAM overtook the medical car, he obtanined an advantage of 6 or 7 positions, and got no real penalty. Today, Alonso had to get off the track not to collide with Kubica. He won a position, and got a 20 positions penalty. If you like to believe this is fair, ok, it’s up to you, but in my opinion it is clearly unfair. And I think that I am not the only one to believe this.


Don’t think you can really lay any of the blame with Red Bull. Just look at Vallencia the last time they gave him wings! The chap took off!!

Seriously though fair Dinkum to Mark great race


I am a forever Ferrari fan and it is a terrible result for me, but I can’t express how happy I am to see Webber winning. Pride comes before the fall – little Seb and CH should learn the lesson!

My greatest wish is for Webber to win the WDC and McLaren to grab WCC – Horner does it all wrong. He is not going to sleep well tonight, he made a terrible, really terrible mistake, but the result shows that justice prevails:-)

My best regards to Mr. Honer and baby-Seb – have fun, guys:-)


Not sure that I ‘get’ this. The team spends tens of millions per year to ensure that a driver, any driver, gets the title. If, as we’re led to believe, Vettel was much happier during Friday’s practice with the new-style wing that Webber, and a choice was to be made, then only a fool should complain when the driver who a) preferred the wing and seemed to get the most out of it, b) is leading the championship and c) is, let’s face it, clearly the team’s future gets the damn wing.

As for Webber’s comment that ‘some of the other drivers offered him his front wing – Seb didn’t’… well that’s actually the dumbest statement I’ve heard in quite a while. Think about it, and then tell that me it somehow makes sense on ANY level. It doesn’t.


good read on the situation people talk from a fans perspective and most people supporting webber are maclaren fans and are happy the title will fall into the hands of a brit


It’s not just any driver that they want to win though, is it? As the Red Bull team exists purely as a marketing exercise, their favoured driver is the one who fits this exercise best. I think that this is what angers fans the most. Shouldn’t the fastest driver in a team get the best parts, not the one whose face/nationality/age fits the target audience the best? This seems to me to be a problem at the very core of this team, and one which is likely to always be so.


Did Seb ask for/demand the wing, or did the team management decide? That’s the question.

If the former (as I suspect, judging by the coldness between him and Webber), then he’s shot himself in the foot (again, after driving into MW at Turkey). If the latter, then from a PR standpoint they’re a bunch of amateurs (and the frostiness between the drivers doesn’t make sense..)


Alonso had many laps to give the position back to Kubica before he retired, and he didn’t. Usually you have to give the position back immediately, before the next turn. It was quite clear he would get a penalty, so why didn’t he yield the position! Very bad luck with the safety car, but he could’ve escaped all that so easily that one wonders what was going on in his/Ferrari’s head.


“Alonso was told to give the place back but he didn’t need to because soon afterwards Kubica retired with a rear axle problem.”

Who told him? Ferrari, FIA,…

Aussie Cameron

New spec wing confiscated.

Forced to use a discarded, “damaged” Luscious Liz.

Commanding victory secured off the start.

Psychological victory secured at the chequered flag.

Game, set and match Mark Webber – true Aussie Grit!


A great race, lots of action, over taking, controversy and surprises. A double Williams points finish, Kobayshi in 6th and the right Red Bull won. Fantastic stuff.

Webbers comment at the end of the race completed it for me.


I didn’t like this grandprix at all, the penalty given to alonso was too harsh.

The FIA is ruining the races.


Why was it harsh?

Everybody knows you cannot do what he did. The SC was unrelated and if Ferrari had pulled FA in straight away it would have affected him. Live by the sword die by the sword


James also says in his article that many think the decision against Alonso harsh… but I don’t agree with that. Just as people said Hamilton was treated leniently by the stewards in Valencia – that wasn’t true either. They were both rightly found guilty by the stewards, and both awarded a standard drive-through penalty. The fact that the _effect_ of the penalty was minor for Hamilton in Valencia, and harsh for Alonso here, was simply the luck of the draw.


The Hamilton penalty at Spa 2008 was absurd (under the then rules) and having ‘clarified’ the rule back then, the Stewards had little option but to punish Alonso today. Should have give the place back straight away. That Kubica dropped out and then the SC came out to give him a double-whammy of bad luck is just, er, bad luck.. Should have given the place back – that’s the be-all and end-all..


i agree; i cant see how red bull can stop things imploding, even if they keep painting a smiley face on things.

I do think though that this whole thing is being spun up a little more by the media, and in fact we need to remember that Vettel himself has not done anything wrong within all of this. Its an issue between Webber, certain Red Bull management, and (oddly) the public.


So why was Seb looking so petulant at the after-race photo op? MW and Newey looked fine, Horner looked a bit uncomfortable, but SV looked like someone who thought he’d been hard done by (went to stand in the back row with the mechanics).

Also, the ‘he’s crazy’ hand twirling after the Turkey incident (admittedly in the heat of the moment).

Surely, Seb himself should be talking to the management, telling them to stop making the favouritism so obvious – after all, it’s him who’s losing fans. He’s beginning to look like a spoiled kid who thinks he has a no. 2 who should bend over and take a shafting from the team..


Inspirational drive from Mark. Not sure where the team goes from here, though. One thing of which I’m certain, there’ll be no quarter given from MWs side of the garage. As for Seb and RB, you lost the support of a lot of good people.



The public perception of the RBR situation is already in tatters. They have two brilliant drivers. But one of them is showing more class and maturity than the other. RBR being biased towards the other driver is doing nothing for their image.

They’ve always been about giving people extra go. This process of hindering MW is antithesis to that entire image.


Solution is simple: Helmut Marko needs to go. He’s clearly been pulling the strings, since he’s the big boss’ right hand man.

I have to say, I’m proud of Mark for standing his ground, glad that Christian Horner seems to be willing to listen and talk (not much like Ron back in ’07), and I almost feel sorry for Vettel for being put in this situation by his patrons.

Mike from Medellin, Colombia

They would prefer his name to be Marcus Weber.



James, my news are that Alonso ask for radio to Stella if he has to let Kubica pass him and Ferrari Staff sais not, because of no space given by Kubica. Agree or not with that, knowing the drive through, ¿is it a proper penalty to your point of wiew?

Thank you


You’ve gotta hand it to Bernie. 6 years ago Silverstone was an aged mudbath with terrible facilities. For years spectators said that whilst the grand prix was often pretty exciting the facilities and management of the whole weekend left a lot to be desired. It was still likethis last year. Once the gpda realised they couldn’t get away with flogging the same crap to us for 140ukp they got their act together. The new infield complex is great! They even had the intelligence to ignore Tilke.

So…play hardball and get what you want! Classic Ecclestone.


Or perhaps Bernie finally relenting and giving Silverstone a decent, long term contract allowed the GPDA to finally get the financing they needed to revamp the facilities?

Maybe if he’d done that sooner, Silverstone’s facilities would have been upgraded sooner.


Great drive by jb today.

And well done mark ! That should shut them up.

One word for redbull management. Karma……


Thanks James. Love your work. Wish you were still calling the race. I know it must be easy to make mistakes, and of course you made some but nothing like ” Hats off to Webber…. But Vettel recovered from that puncture, back to the grid and through to win” at the end of the race.


Great win by Webber!! Great race by Hamilton, Rosberg and Button. But being a Alonso fan, i could not watch after that penalty. i have lost faith in the FIA stewards. How do you give a place back to a person who is not in a race? This race was just a… “blah” race.

Also, lately i’ve noticed that penalties handed out to drivers are very inconsistent. Time for them to get there act together


Did you happen to see Spa 2008? Whiting advised McLaren that Hamilton had given back enough to Raikkonen after cutting the chicane. Raikkonen then crashed out of the race and Hamilton was given a time penalty after the race, thereby benefiting Massa, who wasn’t even involved and therefore wasn’t disadvantaged by Hamilton.


That’s the point!


“How do you give a place back to a person who is not in a race?”

Well, you see that is the problem – the place should be given back while Kubica was still in the race 🙂

It was clear that Alonso was not going to give the place back right after cutting the chicane (which is something he should have done). He was probably hoping for going away with his move. Time was running away, he was pulling away from Kubica, and with every kilometer giving the place back was getting harder. Finally Kubica was not there anymore – Alonso waited too long.

There had to be a penalty – he broke a rule that was clearly established and closely “guarded” by all teams over last two years.

The truth is – by delaying doing what was right – Alonso himself brought harsher penalty on his head. It is only his fault.


By giving it back immediately after the wrong move.


On a situation like this the driver in fault should give the position back after 2 or 3 corners.

I agree that he was probably hoping to runaway with his move.


Amanda a experienced driver Like Fernando should give the position back immediately!!


I loved that “Not bad for a number two driver” comment there!


Great race for Mclaren, Lewis was the only who could keep in touch with Webber as the rest of the pack were way down.

Jenson was also great, he made up 10 places.. good day overall for the Mclaren.

As for Webber, I am very happy for him after All the unfairness with the front wing in qualy, he deserved this after RB clearly favoured Vettel.

As for Alonso..disastrous race, not helped by the harsh penalty, I believe he should have given it back there and then to avoid any issues but he didn’t and Kubica’s retirement worked against him.

Karma maybe..Alonso took out his team mates tyre and he ended his race.


James I don’t see Vettels climb back significant. He passed backmarkers and rookies until he got to Schumacher(where the jury is still out) then he bashed Sutil out of the way, when, as usual, he couldn’t get by cleanly.


I am a 35 year old fan of the F1 , and particular Ferrari . Since 1986 I watch every race .This is it , i think i can watch now curling or wrestling or whatever, they probably have more clear rules than F1 . The stewards are a joke . Fernando had two choices , collide with Kubica , or take avoiding action , and that was only outside the track . And the punishment again came in a very unfair way . I stop watching the race . Of course i will see the the highlights , but i stop watching the race . For the first time since 1986 . I’m from Romania , i’m not italian , or spanish , i think i can be objective .


Hi Gaspar,

I’m 34 and have been watching F1 since 1986 too. Hey brother!!

In general the stewards have intervened less this season, which is a good thing. Decisions of the last couple of years have been worse, I think. The one that always stands out to me was Bourdais at Fuji, but there’s been plenty of others.

And don’t forget, in the late 80’s there were no penalties but we had Balestre – you wouldn’t want to go back to those days, would you?!

So stick with it!!

My personal opinion – I hate all this driving-over-the-artificial grass passing. The penalty was fair, and Ferrari should have told Alonso to let him back past before the damage was done.


Agreed but he knew he got past off the track so why not just give it back straight away and overtake again. The only reason for not doing so is thinking they might “get away with it”. Fernando, never!


The F1 rule book is different in Marenello – don’t you know that?


What RB are doing very badly is that they play into the hands of the media that wants to make a huge soap opera from this whole front wing issue and Mark`s comment on the radio just help this developing further…He should have just shut up and enjoy his win, all this just helps McLaren to win the WCh. Seb is making the same mistakes as Lewis had made two years ago being hot-headed.


I absolutely agree – it was great to see Mark win and I do feel it was poetic justice, but he should’ve just enjoyed the victory and not added fuel to the fire. That can really come back and bite him in the arse

Anthony Valente

Mark has responded to the unfair treatment within the team in the best way possible by producing a commanding victory. Its also worth noting that Webber mentioned that Vettel took his setup for this race.

Well done Mark. Do it again next round!


The treatment of Webber by Red Bull has been nothing short of despicable. They showed their hand in Turkey when they blamed him for the accident, and then later had to backtrack and go into PR overdrive when the public turned on them. Now this business with the wing and effectively labeling Mark as the number 2 driver ha really shown them up. I wonder what will come out of this, they will probably blame Mark for Seb’s puncture.

If only there was another championship contending team that Mark could have signed with for next season….


Vettel’s drive from last place was excellent, but the team just appears to be so dysfunctional in managing its drivers. they spent the week pushing on the HAM/BUT relationship to try and move the spotlight and then it comes back on them. Horner appears to need far more media training as well, as he’s pretty good at putting his foot in mouth on some of his statements, which just lead on the media to attack.

However, all of this made and all the other stuff made for excellent viewing.

Endre Friedmann

So happy for Mark Webber!. Red Bull is getting many people to be against Seb Vettel which I think is the opposite they should pursue.

Great race by Hamilton, finally in a clean style.

Being an Alonso fan, I still think he should have given the position back to Kubica. Overtaking should only take place on track. If he pushed you wide, then you are not in front enough.

And, specially, in the case of Alonso, he should have understood by now that he is not going to receive even a 1% from stewards. Every chance to be sanctioned… and he will be. Unfair to me… because there are two levels when sanctioning, but let’s hope he has it clear so that he is not penalised further and we can concentrate on racing.


CONGRATS MW – not bad from a discarded chassis and wing… keep speaking your mind and sticking it to RBR, good to see everyone else in the paddock see whats going on. Also great drive from LH and JB,,,looking foward to Alonso s comments,,,he got screwed.!


He didnt get screwed, rules are rules. If he got screwed, so did Hamilton in Spa 08. If he had given the spot back there wouldnt have been a penalty. He’s the one who called for harsher penalties after last race, be carefull what you wish for.


Actually, Lewis did get screwed in 2008. He gave the position back, then re-passed, and still got penalised.

Alonso didn’t give the position back. He screwed himself.


Bang on Alonso brings it all on himself


Alonso has already commented that everything’s okay about Race Control and that they have made the right decissions… British competition (please do not even mention the word “sport”), British management, British teams… who could think that a Spaniard could be a WC twice??? Fernando, enough is enough. Maybe you could think of playing soccer!!


You’re obviously an Alonso fan, but i’m afraid I can’t sit by and let you blame everyone else for what to me is quite obvious…

Alonso is where he is in the driving standings for two reasons. Some very poor mistakes and some very bad luck…coupled together that’s made it a tough season for him.

He’s a great driver and a great champion, I cheered for him myself when he was taking the fight to Ferrari during his WDC seasons…but there is no conspiracy my friend.

His time will come this season. His luck will change, that Ferrari is getting quicker and I can’t believe that he’s not going to win again before the season is out.

And I for one want to see him right at the front wheel to wheel with the RBRs and the McLarens… and Massa too for that matter…although I fear he may not be the great driver he was before his accident. I hope i’m wrong on that front!


Great race, with the favoritism controversy only spicing it up. It was well-deserved by Webber—poetic justice indeed, after the wing episode.

Vettel did well to recover from his first-lap incident, too, pulling off some decent overtakes in the process. It does prove he has considerable racecraft, but unfortunately, it will be overshadowed by the negative publicity surrounding his team and the bad decisions the management has taken. The events from Turkey onwards had caused plenty of fans to turn on him, which is sad because the team had a hand in mismanaging the situation and letting things go out of hand as well.


A great win, in spite of Red Bull not giving him wings.


Well done Webber, whatever the RB team is doing right or wrong they need to know it’s certainly losing Vettel some fans.


Great race , i really enjoyed it specially after the safety car, great overtaking of Alonso on Buemi, Sutil on Schumacher and Vettel on Schumacher and Sutil.For me the bumps always provides problems for the drivers and helps overtaking.

I´m very pleased that Webber cameout on top after yesterday´s injustice, so congrats to him.

As for Alonso penalty i think it´s fair, you can´t overtake outside the track, he should have given the place back immediately.

He had a terrible race, a bad start, contact with Massa, cutting the curve and taking the penalty, bad timing for the safety car,

puncture with Liuzzi, couldn´t be any worse than that!!!


Any chance that in the future you could do a post about the processes/pressures involved in creating race parts through the season?

As an outsider it is slightly mind boggling that with the huge amount of money involved in Red Bull that the inability to make an extra wing on one race weekend could poison not only the team internally but also Red Bull PR.


Yes I will do that. Maybe as a video. There is one with Lotus I did for the Spanish GP weekend. Take a look


A well deserved result for Mark. Appointment with Karma indeed. Credit to him for holding his ground in the first couple of corner. Also great drives both McLarens. A great race overall + good write up. I do feel for Alonso though, very tough call.


A fantastic grand prix, truly entertaining motor race – proof that F1 is in great shape as this season is shaping up to be the classic we’d hoped for. Well done Webber! Perfect answer to the silly managerial mistakes that are being made. Thought Lewis drove well and I’m warming to Jenson…! Looking forward to off track politics over coming weeks. Lets see if the pressure pot explodes on Vettels home ground and who wouldn’t love to be a fly on the wall in the Ferrari camp… Hope Nige sleeps easy tonight


I don’t see why Nige shouldn’t. The fault was Alonso’s not Nigel’s.

PS: Does anyone else thing he looks strange without his Mustache? Admittedly not as silly as the bum fluff under Vettel’s nose at the moment 😀


As you sow so shall you reap.

Some very ugly days ahead for RBR. The worst part is that it’s all of RBR’s own doing.

I also found it interesting that your interview with Mark yesterday, he was sure to point out that the other side of the garage move their set up toward his.



I hope they can get themselves together, it would be terrible to see Redbull implode, they promissed so much….


Great result for Mark. I am a huge Webber fan and like most, was devastated when again Red Bull were seen to favour Vettel.

Even if you are not a Webber fan you have to feel for him as he is pubicly being told that he is not worth Red Bulls time.

I wonder if at Germany Red Bull will introduce another upgrade but only bring one part. I wonder which car it will go on now????

Keep it up Mark, we still love you here back home.


We all love the underdog! Well done Webber.

But its more proof to my mind that Vettle isn’t that good. But I thought he was very well mannored in his post race interview.

What is happening at Ferrari? Good car, good team, no results!

But Alonso has nothing to complain about, the penelty for Hamilton in the 2008 Belgian GP establised that you can’t overtake off the track and that even giving the place back might not be enough.

It will be intresting to see if the rules are changed to allow drivers to over take off the circuit.

Good recovery drive from Button. Rosberg did well too.

p.s. Webber to Renault


Tom, you must be joking… you talk about Hamilton???? He changes four times his direction to prevent Petrov to overtake him… No Penalty; he races through pitlane, No Penalty; he runs out of fuel on his in lap… No Penalty; hi overtakes the medical car… No Penalty. British Competition, British Stewards, no chance for Latin Teams / Drivers. And that’s it. Let’s see the Football WC Finals today, Charlie Whiting is not around!!


Lewis Hamilton is the most penalised driver over the course of a season in formula one history.

Watch the 2008 Belgium Grand Prix. I assume you feel that Hamilton should have kept win?

I think the difference in the incidents that you mention is that if you do something that is against the rules you should expect a penalty. If you do something that isn’t against the rules but your competitors feel is unsporting then you should expect the rules to be clarified.

After the changes to the safety car rules I will watch with interest to see if the rules are changed to allow overtaking off the circuit.

I hope that for Spanish/English relations English referee Howard Webb doesn’t make any mistakes that favour the Dutch side tonight!

Good luck to Spain tonight, hopefully they will get some of Webber’s ‘karma’.


Given the reference to Schumi getting docked points for trying to do to Villeneuve what he successfully did to Hill, perhaps you shoud rephrase it to ‘Most undeservedly penalised driver’ 🙂


Eeerrr. Hamilton the most penalised driver?

Schumi was penalised with losing all the points of a season. Can Hamilton topple that?


Nice point. Maybe a rule is needed to state that if a player kicks on an opponent’s chest, then he must be dismissed! Do you really mean that changing your direction four times on the straight just not to be overtaken does not deserve a penalty – at least a drive throguh??


Hamilton did not overtake the medical car.If you watch the clip on Youtube you will see both Hamilton and Alonso passed the medical car before the safty car line. Hamilton passed the safty car line 0.006 sec behind the safty car so was penalized overtaking it. None of the Stewarts in Valencia were British.

Alonso passed Kubrica with all 4 wheels off the track and was at no point ahead before the apex.Instead of giving the place back straight away he pulled away and was correctly penalized.


Alonso was at no point ahead on the track.


I must have seen a different race. Alonso was ahead of Kubica before the apex. Not by much, but the view from Alonso’s onboard camera is clear. There’s a moment, before he turns left that the Renault is no longer in the image, effectively behind the Ferrari. And it only shows up again as it pushes the Ferrari out of the track.

And I have never seen a penalty equivalent to the loss of 14 positions for cutting a chicane. Can you remember Hungary 2006? I would urge you to review that race…


Funny that, I seem to remember Hamilton getting a penalty for overtaking the safety and medical car whereas Alonso and Massa both cut in front of said medical car (that was racing to deal with Webber)and they didn’t.

You either watched a different race or you have a chip on your shoulder.


As usual there was a national steward, but the others were from Australia and Sweden. Perhaps you ought develop some independent thinking rather than believing what the ‘Latin’ press feeds you. Just because Alonso has a Hamilton fixation doesn’t mean you have to.


FIA is just screwing up things.

Right after Alonso took the short cut and overtook Kubica, Ferrari was discussing with racecontrol about what to do.

When they finally got the confirmation on letting Kubica pass, he fell out and Alonso couldn’t give the position back again.

What should he have done?? Please tell me you guys.

Racecontrol after that decides to give him a drive through, 10 laps later and just before the safty car would be deployed.

Big manipulation AGAIN.


Simple, he should have given back the position gained from Kubica on the very next corner. I know that rule, and I’m not a professional race driver.

There is no excuse for Alonso who surely has known and fully understood that rule for years. Alonso broke the rules and got the penalty which was written down in the rules for that particular transgression. The Stewards did exactly what they were supposed to.

Maybe they could have reacted a couple of laps earlier, but that doesn’t change the fact that the blame lies with Fernando for knowingly breaking the rules.


Just to remind everybody that at Spa 2008, McLaren actually called Race Control and were adviced that after Lewis giving back the place to Kimi, that would be in order and well within the requirements of the existing rules. As we all know, a new rule was created AFTER the race and was the basis of the POST RACE time penalty that gave Massa the win. Charlie Whirting was still the man in charge of race control then as now.


There was nothing controversial, he should’ve given the position back immediately, like everyone else in the past have done. Alonso and Ferrari have no one else but themselves to blame for the outcome, they could’ve corrected the situation easily with no harm for Alonso.


He should obey the rules and stop sulking


I thought Alonso was pathetic in Valencia when he got all worked up about Hamilton getting away from the safety car.

However, on this occasion I think Alonso is right to feel hard done by. He had no option but leave the track — it was that or a collision — and it worked out that he ended up ahead. He was expecting to be told to let Kubica re-pass but before he could let him through, Kubica was out. What to do then? His penalty was overly severe for the situation. He’s right to feel aggrieved.

Having said that, like the stewards in Valencia, I don’t believe there was any manipulation going on amongst the Silverstone officials.


Completely agree regarding Alonso.

It’s well known that you can get penalised for overtaking off the circuit and they took a gamble on it, which didn’t work.

The argument that Kubica retired and therefore it was all fine doesn’t hold either, and it was quite fitting that Patrick Stewart / Captain Picard was at Silverstone today.

The fact that Alonso got passed Kubica by cutting the track created a different timeline than if he had not. Therefore, it affects more than just Alonso and Kubica.

It’s unfair on everyone behind Alonso because it’s highly unlikely that he would have been able to pull away at such a rate if Kubica had still been in front of him, holding him up.


Yeah Alonso definitely gained even though Kubica ultimately retired. I think he went on to pass a Torro Rosso, and more importantly set some fast laps that kept him in front of Button when Button pitted.

Mike from Medellin, Colombia

Like I said in my last post. This is just like Pop Idol 2001 revisited.

Mark ‘Will Young’ Webber is upsetting Christian ‘Cowell’ for upstaging Sebastien ‘Gareth Gates’ Vettel.

And the public are behind Webber.

Red Bull are doing Vettel no favours…perhaps through no doing of his own they are making him appear as a somewhat overrated spoilt brat.

Just let them get on and compete fairly.


We can always rely on you mike for a cracking comment.

Who would have know you were such a will young fan 😉

great drive mark.

Mike from Medellin, Colombia

Never have been a Will Young fan.

However, there is a song of his that is just right for Mark Webber at the moment….

“I think I better leave right now”….


Ferrari had one of their worst enemies among the stewards today.

It was like having Zidane as a refry on a match where Italy is playing.

For the youngest ones, I’m talking about Mansell.

Mike from Medellin, Colombia

What a ridiculous statement…do you know anything about the history of Ferrari.

Mansell was Il Leone and was the last driver to be hand picked by Enzo Ferrari.



I think you may just be one of the young ones!

Remember, Mansell drove for McLaren (briefly!) before having a big falling out with them and walking away. He recently commented that had the ‘politics not been happening at McLaren’ he may even still be driving. Basically the experience that he had with them seems to have screwed any desire on his part to continue.

I can’t think of anyone less likely to support them than Mansell.

Consider also that Mansell won the first race that he contested with Ferrari and went on to race with them successfully for some time, becoming super popular even today with the tifosi.

A Ferrari man if nothing else – in my opinion.

As regards the Kubica/Alonso incident – the rules are clear, you can only overtake within the confines and limits of the track. Alonso didn’t……and he knows it (and I’m a big fan of Alonso).

If he had given the position back immediately – as he should have done – he probably would have finished 4th.


The legality of the move is a very close call for me. Kubica closed on him on the second apex rather than leaving him sufficient room as they were in parallel. If Alonso had sticked to his line, both would have contacted harshly.

Regardless of that, the timing is highly suspicious:

Lap 17: Alonso overtakes Kubica

Lap 21: Kubica retires

Lap 27: Sutil hits de la Rosa and leaves debris on track

Lap 28: Alonso is handed a drive-through penalty

Lap 29: Safety car out (so that Alonso cannot comply with the drive-through until the bunch is closely packed)

Why do they wait 2 laps to release the SC after the Sutil-DLR crash?

If the case was so clear (according to Whiting), why did they take so much time to hand the penalty to Alonso?

Considering FIA took 34 minutes to handle a DT to Hamilton so that he could make up sufficient time to Kobayashi so that he didn’t lose any position in Valencia…

It might be an extreme case of bad luck, or a very well thought timing of events. If they had given Alonso the order to let Kubica past (or the DT) sooner, or later, the damage would have been much less. But they just hit the nail in the eye.

Hamilton, on the other hand, is continuously been given “reprimands” and “we will clarify the rules” once and again:

– weaving in front of Petrov to avoid being overtaken, which is clearly against the rules

– running in parallel thorugh the pitlane with Vettel putting all the staff that works there at risk

– stopping his engine after a hotlap, gaining an unfair advantage (weight) while compromising safety by abruptly slowing in his in-lap

– overtaking the safety car (which is the first time I have witnessed in my life, in any motorsport category)

Only in the latter case, he was given an actual penalty (rather than a reprimand), but timed in such a way it didn’t cost him anything.

I try not to be paranoid, but clearly FIA should clarify their criteria.




Are you blind? Alonso gained an unfair advantage, he was off the road. He should have IMMEDIATELY given the place back as the rules state. He did not. Kubicadid not have the problem immediately it was a lap and bait later.

Sulkers are embarrassing and should rightfully lose


Soon after the incident, my 10 year old son screamed to Alonso to give the place back. This was an easy call.

With his F1 experience, Alonso must have known that since he was behind Kubica before the corner and ahead of him after taking a short cut, he was bound to be penelised. He should not have waited to be told to give the place back.

Placing blame on the stewards is unfair. They were just enforcing the rules.


Something similar happened to me: my wife, who hates car races on TV (because of my time in front of the screen) screamed “come on, he’s cheating!” when she saw the move… I just laughed loud…


Spot on. The overtake was speculative at best and when it didn’t work out, Fragile Fred must have known he would have to give the place back but chose not to. It would have been even better if Kubica had pitted, fixed the problem, lost a lap and rejoined, and then Fred was instructed to give back the place.

Retribution for all the Ferrari nonsense after Valencia.


Why is Mansell an enemy of Ferrari? He did drive for Ferrari after all with some success…


You are right, I can not imagine that Mansell has nothing against Ferrari seeing how he has ruled the Alonso/Kubica incident.


He left Ferrari under similar circumstances to Barrichello. In Nigel’s case, he felt Prost was getting preferential treatment. I don’t think it was sour grapes by Nigel however, just a very harsh decision.


Great victory by Mark. I predicted this on the other blog.

James, how do you think this is going to play out? Weber’s team mechanics must be sore as well….



Red Bull doesn’t give you wings and you still win!

What a move! What determination!

OK Webber, you won me over. You’re my favorite current F1 driver? Anyone else feel same?


“What a move! What determination!”

What a satisfying result….


I still love Massa.

Too bad he’s not really performing 🙁

But yes, I agree with you in general. I like Webber quite a lot more now than I did before.


Easily! I love his grit. Gentlemanly and firm!


Yeah, I’m with ya. And in the “cracked” chassis of Vettel’s form Spain and Monaco, too.


OH YEAH! Forgot about that. Overall he’s won with Seb’s “scrap” parts then. You can’t help but hope that he wills his way to the championship this year. The way he has reacted to his own team’s betrayals is just incredible. And the way with which he’s conducted himself in the media is direct, unreserved and it’s what has been missing in the sugar coated politically correct PR controlled F1 of today.


@senna: He’s done back-flips before… Remember his stint at Mercedes? Two massive ones at Le Mans… he’s a flippin’ veteran! 😉


and don’t forget he is coming from the mother of all accidents. Unaffected by it. He is a brave dude.


At the moment, my favorite driver too. Great determination and talented in any situation

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