Alonso wins German Grand Prix as Ferrari tell Massa to move over
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Alonso wins German Grand Prix as Ferrari tell Massa to move over
Posted By: James Allen  |  25 Jul 2010   |  2:41 pm GMT  |  866 comments

Team orders returned to the top of the agenda in Formula 1 today as Fernando Alonso took the win in the German Grand Prix thanks to his team mate Felipe Massa letting him through in the closing stages, despite leading the race from the start. It is a tough moment for Massa and a hard call for the team to have to make.

Although the message was coded it was unmistakeably a team order, which are banned in F1. The team will also know that Massa’s motivation will have been torpedoed by this moment.

Alonso: Has priority at Ferrari (Darren Heath)


It was Alonso’s second win of the season – the first came in Bahrain when Alonso passed his team mate at the start, fair and square. Unlike in his McLaren days, Alonso has the clout within the team to subjugate his team mate. We do not know what the drivers’ contracts say, but with Massa recently renewing and nothing like this happening earlier in the season, one wonders whether it was a condition of Massa’s renewal. He has certainly looked a bit dejected in recent times.

The 1-2 finish for Ferrari is the first since the opening race in Bahrain. The car has been on the pace since Montreal, but wasn’t able to get the results in Valencia or Silverstone, where Alonso should have been on the podium but for falling foul of the stewards. The Ferraris lapped everybody up to Kubica in 7th place.

It makes for an interesting championship situation, with the two Red Bull drivers now tied on points and now 21 points behind Hamilton, with Alonso back in the title race.

At the start, Vettel was so concerned about Alonso coming down the inside that he forgot about Felipe Massa down the outside. The Brazilian flew into the lead and Alonso tucked in behind in second place. Vettel was forced to accept third place, while Webber was passed by Hamilton for fourth place. Further back Schumacher made a great start from 11th to 8th and the two Toro Rosso cars hi5t each other Buemi losing his rear wing.

Ferrari were delighted with a 1-2 at this stage, but the wrong car was in the lead in many ways, with Massa well behind Alonso in the drivers’ championship.

The super soft tyres held up pretty well and Vettel was the first of the front runners to pit on lap 14, as the lap times were coming down impressively. Alonso and Webber pitted a lap later, with Webber rejoining in traffic and losing ground.

Massa pitted on lap 16 and rejoined ahead of Alonso, but as we have seen all season he was not as happy on the hard tyre as on the soft and he locked up consistently, but Alonso did not attack for a while.

We had another great fight between Schumacher and Kubica after the Pole’s pit stop, but he held his nerve and fought off the great champion.

Alonso soon closed up and was in a position to attack on lap 23, but Massa resisted. Alonso cam on the radio to say “This is ridiculous,” clearly feeling as he did at Indianapolis in 2007 when he followed Hamilton in the McLarens.

Button pitted late, lap 24 and he got out ahead of Mark Webber. Nico Rosberg also used the tactic of stopping a lap later and he jumped his team mate Michael Schumacher for 8th.

Massa started pulling away from Alonso and Vettel, the gap was out to 3.5 seconds by lap 28. Alonso clawed it back slowly, and by lap 35 it was down to 2 seconds, down to 1 second on lap 40. Meanwhile McLaren told Lewis Hamilton to go on a fuel saving mode in fourth place and Mark Webber was instructed to nurse the car to the finish and not challneg Button for 5th place.

On lap 50 a very reluctant sounding Rob Smedley came on the radio to tell Massa, “Fernando is faster than you,” which is code for “Let Alonso through.” He later came on and said “Sorry” to Massa, showing how hard it had been to deliver that message.

Massa obeyed and the Spaniard duly swept past to take the win. But after the race it was announced that the FIA World Motor Sport Council is to be called in to decide whether Ferrari should face further sanctions for the team orders controversy at the German Grand Prix, after the team was fined $100,000 for flouting the team orders rule. It should be remembered that the rule was brought in because of a Ferrari team order in 2002 which was very unpopular with fans.

German Grand Prix, Hockenheim, 67 Laps
1. Alonso Ferrari 1h28:38.866
2. Massa Ferrari + 4.196
3. Vettel Red Bull-Renault + 5.121
4. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes + 26.896
5. Button McLaren-Mercedes + 29.482
6. Webber Red Bull-Renault + 43.606
7. Kubica Renault + 1 lap
8. Rosberg Mercedes + 1 lap
9. Schumacher Mercedes + 1 lap
10. Petrov Renault + 1 lap
11. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari + 1 lap
12. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth + 1 lap
13. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth + 1 lap
14. De la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari + 1 lap
15. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari + 1 lap
16. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes + 2 laps
17. Sutil Force India-Mercedes + 2 laps
18. Glock Virgin-Cosworth + 3 laps
19. Senna HRT-Cosworth + 4 laps

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Now it is not like Ferrari does not have a long history in motorsport-Felipe Massa is quite aware of that history.

He has been there a long time,has read as well as signed his contracts.

Vebbull closed in near the end because of Massa’s lack of pace as the laps wound down.

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I think that the problem allways begins at FIA and stewards. There are reasons that we don’t have to forget about the beginning of the rule. Team orders are banned and there are reasons to keep it.

But when FIA aply the rules makes it so wrongly that the meaning changes. Now, after years, the rule says “team orders are not allowed but you can do it if you hide a bit”. Then, Massa decides not to hide, as Webber, sometimes is not under investigation and sometimes the full weight of the law and the press lies with the offender, or the pilot benefited, which is worse.

FIA is highly arbitrary and is the one who distorts the Formula 1, making us talking about it and focusing hate on drivers and teams.

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Ferrari team president Luca di Montezemolo does not regret his team’s decision at Hockenheim and said: “The polemics are of no interest to me. I simply reaffirm what I have always maintained, which is that our drivers are very well aware, and it is something they have to stick to, that if one races for Ferrari, then the interests of the team come before those of the individual. In any case, these things have happened since the days of Nuvolari and I experienced it myself when I was Sporting Director, in the days of Niki Lauda and not just then…

“Therefore enough of this hypocrisy, even if I can well believe that some people might well have liked to see our two drivers eliminate one another, but that is definitely not the case for me or for our fans.”

I THINK THIS EXPLAINS IT ALL 🙂

NOW LETS FOCUS ON HUNGARY 🙂

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At the very same circuit two years ago, McLaren informed Kovalainen that Hamilton was faster than him. Kovalainen duly move aside and gave up his position to Hamilton.

Here is what Ron Dennis said about the incident.

“It was a tremendous sporting gesture and it’s what being in a racing team is about. True team-mates do these things because that’s the way they are.”

Luca is right – “…enough of this hypocrisy”.

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James,

I’ve seen 473 comments here, but one question still pricks my mind.. do you think Alonso would’ve let Massa win? with the pace he had in reserve and with laps counting down I seriously think he would’ve attacked and the more laps consumed would’ve made him more aggressive. Everyone here seem to miss the point. He has made his intentions explict in China and Silverstone, if he has his teammate in front, he will attack. The two attacks in China and in Silverstone were by no means gentlemenly, they were dangerously aggressive.

Everyone here is making Massa a hero and Alonso a villian… do you think Ferrari would have gambled on Alonso’s aggression? espcially when knowning the pace he had in reserve? For in the end Alonso was smashing in fastest laps after fastest laps, he would’ve had the fastest lap having it not been for Vettel’s fastest lap on the final lap. But until, the penultimate lap it was Alonso who was consistently clocking in the fastest laps.

While Massa on the other hand had nothing to offer or respond to. I would’ve said maybe a degree of injustice was done to Massa had he been glued to Alonso’s tail, but he faded into the clutches of Vettel. Which if Alonso would be behind Massa like a good boy Vettel would most definately attacked and atleast could’ve got Alonso in the end.

Now my question to you is if you were in place of Stefano what would you have done?

would you…

1. Ask Alonso to follow Massa obediently like a good boy and put him in a position of vurnebility to Vetel?

2. Would you have risked Alonso’s aggression on a slower Massa, especially when your chariman (Luca) was taking a very keen interest and (I’m sure) demanding you to deliver? especially when your car has become the class of the field?

I’d appreciate an unbiased answer.

Thank you

Mo Kahn

Bless you all 🙂

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listen to radio.. “thank you lad, good luck..I am sorry!” look at the engenieer’s face when he says it and listen to what Massa said and see his face after the race! ALONSO is cr*p – he is not gonna win anything and GOOD for Ferrari – they screw it up by choosing him over Massa who was faster… Formula 1 is not only about team. There is an individual championship there also

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i reckon if massa had just thanked smedley for ‘warning him that fernando was quicker,’ and went and won, people would have loved it. sticking it to the man!

“ok thanks mate, i’d better speed up then! see you on the top step!”

however, just grudgingly and obviously doing what he was told is what made everyone involved look silly

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So much to say, so little time and space…

1. I can’t believe how blown out of proportion this is by F1 fans. Most of the inside F1 communitity, with no single rooting interest, Whitmarsh, Horner, etc… all said that they agreed with Ferrari’s tough choice. (Brundle, Coulthard, F1 Press like James and Tony, etc…)

2. Ferrari is a team for whom Felipe Massa works for. While I VERY MUCH sympathized with Felipe’s problem, he is a driver for the TEAM. It didn’t bother me when Heikki moved over for Lewis, Massa for Kimi, Kimi for Massa and yesterday as Ferrari NEEDED to take the course that they did in an attempt to win at least ONE championship. It was wrong when Rubens let Schumi by as there was NO need given Michael’s and Ferrari’s dominance that year. I’m sorry but for those of you who feel that only when a driver is mathematically out should a team support one driver is CRAZY! So if we are down to the last 3 races and Alonso is 6 points behind Lewis for the championship and Massa is 72 points behind him, Ferrari should not ask Massa to move over in one of those races??? Realisticly, Ferrari has a very tough chance of winning either championship, Massa even more so of winning the Driver’s championship. He was behind Nico Rosberg in the championship for crying out loud. Some perspective here please???

3. For all you complaining that Ferrari insulted the fans by not covering it up more or disguising the pass better how are you insulted? They didn’t try to trick us, they didn’t come up with some poorly conceived pass or drama in the pitlane or a “problem” with Massa’s car. They were very direct, probably too direct and that is why they are in trouble, but surely they didn’t insult what EVERYONE knew what was coming; as Martin Brundle pointed out several laps before the pass that Ferrari MUST surely put Alonso in front. If Ferrari really wanted to deceive people they could have cut the Revs on Felipe’s car for a couple of laps; if you recall Renault’s radio transmission to Petrov “If you don’t start shifting to 7th earlier WE WILL HAVE TO CUT YOUR REVS!”

Listen I am a Formula 1 fan first and foremost but also a pragmatist. I have no problem with a team taking calculated decisions to put themselves in the best possible position to win one or both championships. The laws of averages suggest Fernando Alonso has a diminished chance of winning the title given how far behind he is of the main protagonists. If that is true of Fernando Alonso it is much worse so for Felipe Massa. Ferrari needed to make this very difficult and tough decision in their best interests and I would have NO problem with any other team doing the same. If McLaren decided that they cannot catch Ferrari and Red Bull in the development race and had Button support Lewis the rest of the way than no problem at all.

If we were all running our own F1 teams don’t tell me we wouldn’t all be trying to win. In conclusion, I say run an F1 team and allow the drivers to compete but when the laws of averages come into play, that competition needs to be controlled in the best interest of the TEAM!

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Yeah, a bunch of hypocrites as someone allready said.

When MW and SV collided they were called what, idiots, morons ? So many so-called Ferrari fans- would u like to see another crash like that ? That means supporting Ferrari for you, racing and crashing against each other ?

Or let me put it in another perspective. Lets say that FA said something like that: message no.1: “I´m faster then Massa, I can try to overtake but we could end up like RedBulls, and this is ridiculous!”. message no.2: “I need that 7 points and I will try to overtake him no matter what!” So, they had 3 options- 1. let them race and watch them like brainless zombies, like no money is involved, 2. to order FA to hold (-7 pts in total), 3. to order FM to give his position to FA with no fight-no risk (+25 to FA, back in the game for WDC). Considering no.1 as not an option, especially after RB crashed, options 3. is BETTER FOR THE TEAM them option 2. And dont forger that option 2 is also “illegal”. This is not nuclear physics, so cut the crap.

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Massa should have understood: “don’t take any unnecessary risk if Fernando tries to pass you”, in no way he was told to let Alonso pass, but the way he lifted after turn 6 was disgraceful and provides with plenty of ammunition to all the Alonso and Ferrari haters.

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Yes, there is a big difference between “You are team mates, we do not expect you to resist a faster team mate” and “Slow down so your faster team mate can overtake you”.

Vettel and Webber – debatable what went on, but Vettel was gaining. Hamilton when Button went for the overtake – debatable, but it was clear that the team had ordered Hamilton to preserve the car and Hamilton soon demonstrated that in principle he was quicker, so it was not a true race.

Context is everything, and I think why it was so disappointing was that Alonso had tried a move, been repelled and then seemed to fade away, so rather than winning on the track, he won on the radio. If Alonso had been harrying Massa, then it would have made sense.

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Yes he was harrying Massa, he was already there having recovered the gap in a few laps, but Massa lifted off before Alonso could even try a second move. We don’t know what would have happened but I’m sure that Alonso would have tried to pass Massa so the message on the radio was precisely to avoid any incident on that moment.

Alonso didn’t win on the radio it was Massa who decided to lift the way he did. You can’t blame Alonso as he did nothing wrong.

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What a waste of an afternoon, it is a complete disgrace that a race is taken away from those that really (or should at least) matter, us the F1.

Without the fans F1 is NOTHING.

Ferrari should loose the points they gained, this would at a stroke have a huge affect on how teams go racing in the future.

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Absolutley a PR fiasco. Ferrari better win the championships else these incidents will be remembered prominently.

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Almost 800 comments, the majority of which are anti team orders, says it all. Ferrari were let off lightly and ruin F1.

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I don’t see how anyone can defend Ferrari here, and I’d say the same if it was any other team as well.

The world championship has rules in place which all teams must abide by, it is not for any one team to pick and chose which rules they will follow.

If I one day decide that the laws of this country which prohibit murder don’t apply to me, could I go on a killing spree and only pay a fine equivalent to 1/1000th of my annual income instead of the life sentence that would be appropriate? Somehow I don’t think anyone would be defending me in the way that they are sticking up for Ferrari.

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Massa and his pit-land violinist, Rob Smedley, forced Ferrari’s hand knowing full well what the repercussions would be. And this from a driver who Ferrari have bent over backwards to accommodate after an injury that in other team might have spelled the end of a career.

Can you recall the weeks and months during which Ferrari ran without a proper second drive while Massa was given the opportunity to recuperate?

In my eyes, Ferrari was entitled to expect a great deal more loyalty than the Brazilian was willing to deliver. As for Smedley, I am not sure he could have twisted the knife more efficiently had the scene been choreographed by a malevolent spirit.

Considering Felipe owed his lead to the fact that Vettel only had eyes for Alonso at the start, the least he could have done given his car was plainly slower was to yield in a less melodramatic manner. Instead he behaved like a rather dim and whiny little boy.

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Ferrari would not have been allowed to have raced Felipe after his injury. They weren’t ‘giving him the opportunity to recuperate’ because they were being nice, but because he would not have passed the FIA medical examinations required to allow him to race.

It was Ferrari’s fault they did not have an effective reserve driver to replace him.

As Massa was injured at work through no fault of his own, at a European race working for a European team he would have been subject to the employment rules which would have meant under those circumstances it would have been his employers responsibility to compensate him for loss of earnings while incapacitated for a work related injury.

As for continuing to employ him this year, he was contracted for this year. Ferrari would have had to have bought him out of his contract and if he was unable to get another drive due to his injury he could have sued them for loss of earnings as a result.

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Fully agree Luca

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There’s so much wrong with this post, I don’t know where to start.

• Putting the driver back in the car 7 months after the injury, once he had fully recovered is hardly ‘bending over backwards’. This guy was nearly 2008 champion – he’s not some rookie. Or were you expecting them to sack him after Hungary?

• No idea why you’re taking Massa’s move into first away from him. So he came out leading because Alonso and Vettel were tangling – so what? Would you prefer no overtaking on the first lap, or are you saying nobody deserves to be first unless they were on pole and kept the lead? Bizarre.

• Smedley and Massa forced Ferrari’s hand? Ferrari instructed them. And I’d be concerned if they weren’t bothered – would you prefer a driver and engineer who aren’t bothered about winning? What kind of team would that be?

• Massa is hardly being disloyal – he did what he was told and has kept to the company story. So he’s not smiling, but you can hardly blame him.

• If your issue is with Smedley, he gave the instruction in a coded way so what’s the issue there? And then he congratulated Massa for moving. Again, what’s the issue? Or would you prefer a combination who don’t care about winning AND don’t have any rapport either?

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Seems that there is much hypocrisy, when Kovalainen let Hamilton pass in germany 2008 nobody said anything about team orders

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Kovalainen did not defend an overtake that Hamilton was always going to pull off (as witnessed on cars quicker than Kovi later in the race). He did not slow down or compromise his race in doing so.

Hamilton went on to overtake 3 more cars in the following 17 laps, Kovalainen did not even get close to the next car in front in that time.

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Did Kovalainen mind though?

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Lost in all the furore is the fact that Vettel yet again swerved dangerously across the track at the start – if he ever causes a pile-up at the front and the 22 following cars smash into it, someone’s gonna get killed. Shouldn’t drivers be told to start in a straight line, like a drag race, and only swerve around a slower car directly in front, or for the first corner, or after 200 metres or something? It would reward those with the best start, not idiots who risk taking out half the race’s cars before it’s even got underway..

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Remember German GP 2008 when Kovalainen let Hamilton pass him. This is the same situation.

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My two cents:

Martin Brundle called it a good 5 to 10 mins before the radio message was played out on the telly. He said Ferrari will be working out a way to get Fernando in front of Felipe. So I wasn’t at all surprised when it happened – it was just the blatant fashion with which it took place that irritated me the most. F1 fans are intelligent and don’t want to be treated like chumps. It didn’t help that it was a fairly boring race in general.

I am disappointed that Ferrari did this. It spoils the fun for the fans. And by breaking the rules so blatantly, the team managed to turn the weekend from a magnificent PR win into a massive PR disaster.

No one wants to see the biggest name in F1 bullying its way back to the top by ruining races for the fans. I’m amazed the Ferrari PR machine allowed this to happen. Even the hardcore Italian fans will no doubt be a bit embarrassed by the way it went down.

The coded-message from Smedley was so thinly veiled – I would imagine that Maranello might be a bit upset with him for the way he worded and emphasized the decisive message. But ultimately, Domenicali should have taken responsibility and spoken to Felipe himself. Smedley was put in an impossible, horrible position.

I’ve really enjoyed this year so far, but this has really dented my enthusiasm for the season. I don’t want to see races manipulated this way. I want to see races, not processions.

A $100,000 fine seems like BS to me. But then I don’t think Alonso should be stripped of the win either.

Some constructors points should be taken off maybe. But really, I’ll be ecstatic if we can just make sure this doesn’t happen again this season.

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The team will have to be penalised not the individual drivers. It was a team descision. Rob Smedlys position in Ferrari from a team perspective has to be bought into question. Apologies on the radio is a concious shot across the bows of the managements call. Jordans remarks were correct, Ferrari broke the rules which has nothing to do with the past. Alonso is a controll freak the worst team mate bar none

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Deja vu.. This sort of “race” is exactly why I turned away from F1 for a few years. Alledgedly Alonso is the quickest driver out there, but needs his team mate to assist him in allowing him to pass.. Points deduction methinks.

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Ferraris actions show prove the reason why Red Bull are a real race team. The way Red Bull and also Mclaren so far this year allow their drivers to fight is the proper way to race. Ferrari should be embarrassed and should have learned lessons from the past.

Fernando Alonso also comes off looking like a bit of a baby in this one.

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If Fernando and Felipe are so good, I don’t see why they can’t battle, as Jenson and Lewis did in Turkey. The bottom line is you don’t take your team-mate off. It happened with RB because Junior drove stupidly. Felipe could have given Fernando best “for the sake of the team” while still preserving honour.

If the stewards won’t enforce the rule, there’s no point having it.

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I think everyone here knows that team order occur in every team and always will. However, usually it is done in a far less obvious way. Yet Rob Smedley’s sotto voce radio message was as clear as any direct instruction could ever be. This led me to wonder why he said what he said in the way that he said it.

My conclusion is thus: I believe that Smedley’s intention was to deliberately sabotage the possibility of such an order being used in other races in the future and the furore this has created has undoubtedly achieved that aim. Massa is henceforward protected as even the merest hint of such shenanigans in the future would create uproar and possibly cost Ferrari very dear indeed.

So I don’t think Rob Smedley is the villain he is being painted in some parts of the press. I think he took a brave decision to protect his man.

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Not a McLaren Fan

Hello all, hello James

Here ‘s something for your memory, minute 1:50. It is funny that it is the same circuit, same place but different names. Frequently our opinions change with our interests right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5GTlupZuEI&feature=fvsr

Please, let’s try to speak rigorously for the sake of the sport. If it was an order, it should be proven there was going to be consequences for him, otherwise is an information to the driver. Otherwise we should have to investigate also the “save fuel” message and so on, this happens everyday in F1. Ferrari suggested clearly and transparently to its driver to think of the team instead of risking the points and the cars. I didn’t saw so much scandal when Kovalainen did exactly the same for Hamilton in Germany 2008, what do you think?

BTW, congratulations for your site and all the info you display here.

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Actually, it doesn’t. Hamilton was consistently significantly faster than his team mate, and all that happened there was that Heikki was reminded not to fight (and I think they might have been on different strategies as well which also means that for strategies to play out within a team it is not always appropriate to hold up a team member at a fast phase of a strategy when you are on a slow phase)). Hamilton was passing people all over the place. The big difference is that Alonso hadn’t really shown that he was running significantly faster, nor were there any more points for the team.

I guess what was really bad for Massa was to realise that the team had entirely written him off for this season, Alonso may have been in the championship, but the team had lost faith in themselves and Massa at the halfway point. It means that Massa knows he will not be allowed to win this year again if Ferrari achieve a 1-2.

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Spenny

The incident occurred in the latter stages of the race. Both drivers had completed their final stops, hence differents strategies was not an issue. And Kovalainen did far more than simply not fight – he moved right out of Hamilton’s way!

Some people, not to mention a fair few British journalists, appear to be of the view that team orders should not be permitted, but are acceptable in certain instances. For example, the first race of the season (Australia, 1998), Monaco (2007), when one driver is considerably faster than his team-mate (Germany 2008). Interestingly, all these caveats apply to instances when McLaren has implemented teams orders! I think that “team strategy” was the term that Ron Dennis used after Monaco 2007.

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It is just me or someone here is leaving in denial?

McLaren has been framed.

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Not a McLaren Fan

Sorry Spenny, for me these details don’t change the fact that Kovalainen let Hamilton pass, exactly at the same point, in the same fashion (sorry, in a much much more discrete manner, in the apex of the turn instead of “parking” the car some meters after) and exactly after almost identical informations by the team.

I am not 100% sure Alonso was at that very moment really aware that Massa was doing that on purpose, seeing the ferocious resistance he was showing during the season to him when he is going to be surpased and the non existance of similar informations or orders, if you want to call it that way, to Massa this year (at least I don’t remember) I didn’t expect it at all, just expected another race were Massa blocks Alonso’s pace and puts in danger the points for both championships with very tight overtaking attempts, Vettel comming (better pace with hard tires than Massa) and pilots with lost lap in a narrow circuit…really dangerous situation! Massa almost hit him in Australia showing a much more aggresive style with him than with the other drivers, you can check it if you think I am exagerating and let me know. The fact is Alonso can’t risk the car with his team mate and is not going to do it unless desperate. There Alonso didn’t continue fighting with Massa and on the contrary, let him some space and prepared to fight with a very strong Hamilton and helped Massa to get a podium he was not able to keep for himself (he was surpased several times in that race and showed no pace at all). This means help can happen in both ways in a team. Alonso is being consistently faster than Massa with hard tires, if next year it happens the other way you can bet Alonso will need to help Massa as Raikonen did, that goes for number 1 and 2 in the team. The one that brings the title home and is faster than the other is the number one, I can bet you if Alonso is consistently slower next year with poor title expectations for him and a good one for Massa and this situation happens on the contrary he will do the same.

As many have said here, the only difference in this situation with other similar ones is that Massa was so obviously showing the game.

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Thanks! 🙂

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Hello James,

I wonder whether you would want to present your view on what Mr. Horner said: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85580

I think I know people well enough to understand that what he is doing right now is trying to use this situation to weaken Ferrari and to add more salt to Massa’s wounds.

We have seen just recently what it means to take wings way and we have heard a lot about “saving fuel”.

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It is completely ridiculous — yet so F1 style — that Horner and Whitmarsch are speaking now against team orders… of course, Domenicalli would have done the same…

Michael Schumacher was the only one who said things as they are:

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=48923

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