Ferrari boss attacks new teams as “too slow”
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Ferrari boss attacks new teams as “too slow”
Posted By: James Allen  |  17 Jun 2010   |  3:07 pm GMT  |  236 comments

Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has attacked the new teams in the aftermath of Fernando Alonso losing the Canadian Grand Prix.

“In modern F1 races cars with GP2 levels of performance shouldn’t participate,” he said in Gazzetta dello Sport. Montezemolo may have been referring to Jarno Trulli’s Lotus and perhaps the Hispania of Karun Chandhok, which was being lapped when Alonso lost a place to Button.

“Our car had the pace to win, I hope in the future there are no more errors in lapping cars which are to our disadvantage, ” he added. “We already gave.”

Ferrari have always had a big downer on the new teams, of you recall a post on their website last year around Monaco time and several references since.

In fact, when you study the lap times, although they are somewhat erratic, Trulli’s pace around lap 39 for example was a mid 1m20, while Webber was leading doing 1m 19.6, Hamilton catching him on 1m 18.8 and Rosberg in midfield was doing 1m 21.6s.

The incident with Trulli which enraged Alonso was on lap 28 when Alonso was pitting. He had just done his fastest lap of the race to that point, a 1m 19.05, and was headed for the pits. Hamilton had pitted two laps earlier and Alonso was flat out to try to jump him at his second stop. “If Trulli hadn’t slowed me down I would have done it,” fumed Alonso on Sunday night.

“I lost two and a half seconds and when I came out of the pits I saw Hamilton ahead. Without traffic I would have had the lead.”

That lap Trulli did a 1m 24.7 and says that no blue flags were waved at him that lap.

Ferrari is calling for the drivers to agree a code for lapped cars to get out of the way. This is something F1 drivers have had to deal with as long as there has been racing.

Lotus boss Tony Fernandes is of the opinion that blue flags should be abandoned in F1. This is sure to be a key talking point in the coming weeks.

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1

If Luca isnt winning hes crying about something.

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Prof Bolshaviks

What happens when you are fighting or the win and the back marker you reach is your team mate, you get through easily, guy following you held up for 20 laps. We are robbed of any sort of close finish.

3

Here in the US in Indycar we don’t have blue flag rules like in F1. Blue Flags over here is simply a warning that a faster car is behind you, From there its upto the driver on how easy he/she wants to make it for the faster cars to overtake.

This really brings out drivers skill as they most the time have to find a way past the slower cars & thats how it was in F1 until about 1995.

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Prof Bolshaviks

Ok, easy to solve with a game of laser tag. Put a little sensor on the back of the cars, and a little laser on the front.
Then when you get behind a car, if they don’t move out of the way you fire your laser and it ejects the driver infront up into the crowd, who then get to tar and feather him. Obviously you could, accidently, use this to pass cars normally for position so there are some regulations to get confused over as to when to use the laser. Then you get an arms race for the best laser, far more interesting than a race to develope the best F-duct.
I’m telling you, people.
Lasers.

5

Bin the flags.

They’re supposed to be the best drivers in the world.

Use those skills and overtake, FFS!

That said, the cars being lapped should be under the same rules – no deliberate obstruction, weaving, etc.

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Darren Shepperd

Ferrari should STFU all they do is moan now. Hows about less talk more working on the car.

JA where is the option for the flags are about right and human error is normal not wanted but normal

7

As a ‘tifozi’, I say: Montezemolo and the rest of the Ferrari team should work more and talk less, to reduce the gap to the front runners worries me more than the lack of speed of the back runners.

8

I think that Ferrari should stop complaining about it and get on with racing. Out of the new teams, I think Lotus has a great future and could possibly be a front-runner in the coming years.

9

Sorry but some of you guys are so off the mark.

I guess you’re took young to remember when Frank Williams started his new team in the late 60’s and how many years was it before his squads first win? Or how many races did it take for Renault to simply finish a race when it got involved in F1 with the introduction of the turbo in the late 70’s? That arrogant Luca di Montezemolo should go back to the history books and read about what Alfa Romero thought of Ferrari when they (Enzo) first started his own team.

I also remember times when Ferrari was the back marker (1972/73 for example) or how about Jody failing to qualify for the Canadian GP in 1980.

Trust me, the new teams would much prefer to be fighting for the lead rather than trying to get into Q2 but they all must start somewhere, just as Bruce, Jack, Colin and Ken did back in the 60’s.

And blue flags?

Are you nuts, those of you who think they should get rid of them have obviously never sat in a race car. And I mean on a race track and not in a showroom or auto show.

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seconded

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The fact is just to obey the rules. Other questions could be interesting but not in this discussion. Now (2010) we have blue flags for the backmarkers and they must let pass as faster as they can. It is pitty to lose a chance to win or at least to be on the lead for those contenders that they have another war. McLaren did not need an additional help at all with their super speed. But that is racing in 2010. (Sorry my english I do my best)

12

I am sure if it was the other way around where Hamilton got caught by traffic and Alonso won, that Luca would of said “Well it is racing”

13

Indeed. But luca thinks everyone should get out of the way of the red cars as they clearly should be allowed to win every race.

The only problem is someone forgot to tell mclaren and redbull that plan ! 🙂

14

Perhaps the blue flag should be used as it is in most other formulae, stationary to warn of a car that is close behind and waved to warn of a car trying to overtake. Oh and whilst we are talking flags maybe a stationary yellow prior to a waved one to give the drivers a bit more notice?

15

I agree with Luca, even though Alonso looked like he was caught by surprise despite knowing he was catching a back marker. I think there’s a bit of Alonso’s fault here too.

16

A multi part question to all those who think the new teams are a waste of time.

1. How long did all the new teams once having learned of their respective entries into this years competion did they have to Design and Build and Test their cars?

For me not as long as the existing teams had lets face the major teams start designing next years car at the begining of this one. Ferrari designers I bet have started all ready.

2.How long have Blue flags be used in F1 and racing in general? I have been watching F1 your 25 years and Blue Flags have always been used for better or for worse. Sometimes like all stewards they get it wrong most times they get it right. When it does not favour one team they moan and when it does you dont hear so much that they got it right to you? No.

3. Does any one still remeber how many cars were trying to qualify and for how many postion on the grid they were trying for when the 107% rule was in place? James can you help me out, from memory there were as many as 32 cars trying for 24 grid positions hence the 107% rule.

So please remember the history of blue flags and that all previous F1 champions had to race under them or should we change it because ONE person had a BAD RESULT?

17

I think your first question highlights the main problem with this year’s F1.

The new teams started from scratch. I certainly would not argue against the proposition that, all things considered, they have performed very well, certainly exceeding my expectations and I would suggest they have probably exceeded their own as well.

However, from my reading of Monte’s comments, he is not blaming the teams themselves. He is describing the situation as it exists now. I think the suggestion is that more teams on the grid does not necessarily better racing make. And in that I have to agree.

Teams should be there on merit and not chosen for political reasons. We were spared the debacle of USF1 but even so the performance difference in light of the present restrictions is somewhat larger than it should be.

20 years ago Eddie Jordan Racing came in F1 after a successful couple of seasons in F3000, essentially F2. With the much underrated Andrea de Cesaris, whom many feel was the ‘inspiration’ behind the current blue flag rules, they managed to get 5th in the WCC and ninth in the WDC in their first season. And they got it on merit. They came into F1 with a ready made team and a fair degree of experience and funding.

Had they not struggled to find an engine that stretched the chassis, not to mention reliability, they would have done much better than their one single GP victory and the 3rd in the WCC with Hill and Frentzen.

The current teams do not have Jordan’s pedigree. The only reason they are able to get comfortably inside 107% of the best qually time is because of the limitations placed on development, testing and such.

It is not their ‘fault’ of course. Methods for complete teams to ‘move up’ to F1 in a series of steps were progressively eliminated for reasons which are the subject of much speculation. Another thread there, James?

I think the current teams will probably improve as time goes on. They will change hands, one will probably get a larger fuel tank, and they might even get some serious points. But it won’t be this season.

They are pale imitations of Jordan.

I can think of no short-term answer, apart from the current stop-gap of drastically limiting the performance of the top teams.

It seems very weird to me that, at a time when countries are paying, reportedly, £50+ million for the authority to stage a GP, then considerably more in the infrastructure, added to which they have to bus-in squaddies to make the stands look only a quarter full, the teams are forced to count the paper towels they leave in their toilets.

For your second question, the blue flag started in the days of manual advance and retard as a warning to the driver about to be lapped, not to make them move over but merely to prepare them for the shock of seeing another car. It wasn’t until the 2001 season that the four strikes and out rule was introduced.

Tony Fernandes recently suggested that the blue flags rule be rescinded and Ken Tyrell rather famously would tear in any of his drivers whom he saw giving way to a car trying to lap him. Trying is the word at Monaco.

I seem to remember that as a punishment Ken would put lead in offending drivers’ petrol tanks. But I could be wrong there.

18

With respect, you may be confusing the 107% days with the days of pre-qualifying on Fridays, but it doesn’t take anything from your point.

Bottom line, if the performance difference in Le Mans is not a problem for 24 hours, a 107% (or less, as it turns out) difference in performance for 2 hours in F1, really shouldn’t be an issue. And for most of us, it isn’t. Let’s get on with it.

19

I think there’s one more option missing: F1 should do nothing, and leave things as they are.

These things happen, and the cars being lapped, can’t just dissapear like ghosts.

Alonso said himself, that he benefitted from backmarkers in some of the first races, and now it was his turn to take the damage.

Although I do think there should be better judgment in bringing teams to F1, and for example alow some pre-season testing to new ones, I don’t think this particular situation should be changed at all.

The backmarkers get the blue flags, and move a 300Km/h car out of the way WHEN THEY CAN. How difficult is that to understand?

20

If ferrari spent as much time racing as they spent whining maybe they’d be winning the championship

21

I have to just say that I love seeing the look on Heikki Kovalainen’s face at each race – he looks like he is having a whole load of fun pushing that car to (an beyond) the limit. He was my ‘man of the day’ at Monaco for his efforts at qualifying (and missing the barriers when he spun it).

22

I can’t wait for Hamilton or Button to be held up or compromised by a back marker and then see if the British fans have the same view.

If a car can’t qualify with a time that is competitive (107% rule) then they shouldnt be allowed to race.

23

Last year Ferrari did not need Raikkonen; this year, “cars with GP2 levels of performance shouldn’t participate.”

Its a fact that Alonso did three purple sectors on Hamilton’s outlap. Its also a fact that there is a screen on the pit-wall where the strategists get an overview about where and when traffic might be encountered.

I get the impression Ferrari are under tremendous pressure to win at least one–if not both titles this year with Alonso driving for them with all the Santander money.

Now, even I’m inclined to think that there are so many things in Formula One which seem to overshadow the racing part of it.

24

Yes they should ban blue flags. but create a rule were, only cars qualifying within 2 seconds of Pole time [or provisional pole time like Q1 and Q2 session] can race. This will not only help with blue flags but also prevent teams from ditching current year development and concentrate on next year cars.

Teams make money with sponsorship, if you cannot participate in the race then the sponsorship will drop out. which will force the teams to develop until the end of season unlike now when only teams in championship contention develop till the end.

25

Here’s a thought… why did Alonso move right after passing Chandok? He moved there presumably to defend his position, against Button, for the next right turn. But Alonso misjudged the speed at which Button was travelling and thus Button was able to pass, on the racing line.

Why didn’t Alonso, just stay left, but not accelarate so quickly away from Chandok… the result would have been to block Button in behind him, and leaving Button no room to move right (to gain the inside line), because Chandok was there.

It was an opportunistic pass from Button and Alonso would have done precisely the same, if the positions had been reversed.

26

I cant help but notice that the Ferrari boss who would like to see the slower cars removed from the back of the(now full)grid, is the same person who is interested in entering a 3rd car for his own team. Connection?

27

I wonder how many fans would prefer to see a third Ferrari/Mclaren/RBR car than one of the new entrants – particularly if the third driver was someone like Valentino Rossi?

If Ferrari want to race further cars, why not revive the Maserati or Alfa Romeo racing brands?

28

Because then Luca couldn’t tell them what to do?

29

There are 11 races left. Sooner or later lapped cars will get in the way of the other teams Championship battle. Maybe they will fix it then.

30

As frustrating as it is, cars in front are there to pass. I think reinstating the 107% rule is warranted based on Q1 times, and then that’s it. Go racing! Overtake! And ban the blue flags.

31

I can never understand why Ferrari feel they have to stick their oars in.

I say ban blue flags and let them get on with it. All of this feeling that slower teams should just get out of the way is absolute rubbish.

Ferrari should just set up their own championship. I am sick if hearing their whingeing to be honest. I love the Ferrari brand and heritage, but I dislike their sense of entitlement. F1 should encourage these new teams.

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