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New Lotus team gets BMW Sauber’s slot on the F1 grid
Posted By: James Allen  |  15 Sep 2009   |  9:10 am GMT  |  58 comments

I’ve just had a note through from the FIA to say that they have awarded the 13th slot on the F1 grid next year to Lotus, the Norfollk based car maker, which is backed by the Malaysians.

The team principal is Tony Fernandes, the boss of Williams sponsor Air Asia. The team’s technical chief is Mike Gascoyne, formerly of Renault and Toyota. The team will be based on Norfolk initially, however as it will race under the Malaysian flag, it is building an R&D and manufacturing centre at Sepang, home of the Malaysian Grand Prix.

Danny Bahar, formerly Red Bull and Ferrari brand chief joined Lotus recently.

The team will use Cosworth engines, which means that USF1 might find it easier to move away from Cosworth onto a Ferrari or Toyota unit as even without them Cosworth will have the three teams it requires to make its F1 project viable.

The FIA statement says, “The FIA also received an impressive application from the BMW Sauber Team. However, given that BMW has announced it will withdraw its support in 2010, there are still uncertainties regarding the future ownership of the team.

“Nevertheless, the FIA considers that BMW Sauber’s application is of high quality and would constitute a competitive participant in the Championship. As such, it has awarded BMW Sauber the ’14th place’ in the Championship meaning that it will be entitled to fill any vacancy that arises on the 2010 grid.

“In addition, the FIA believes that a good case can be made for expanding the grid to 14 teams. The FIA will be consulting urgently with the existing teams regarding the introduction of an appropriate rule change to expand the grid to 28 cars in time for the first Grand Prix in 2010.”

I’ve heard that BMW is also thinking of using the Sauber base at Hinwil for an R&D center for electric vehicles. The full size wind tunnel there is a viable business in itself.

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1

Very interesting. Mind you, I would be much, much more excited if we had BRM returning to the grid in its classic green and red… Rubery Owen can probably still do it, complete with their own engine. Yummy prospect. How about a write-in campaign?!

I would actually like to see 15 teams and 30 cars per race. I know there are objections to the pit facilities, but come on. If NASCAR can grid and pit 43 cars (each with its own pit box and crew) at tracks like Richmond and Bristol, surely there’s room at the F1 tracks.

Then again, I would also like to see other impossible things like the chicanes removed from Monza, a USGP at Laguna or Watkins Glen, and the return of the French GP to Reims, Monthlerey or Rouen…

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No-one’s mentioned much about the team principal here. Tony Fernandes (CEO Air Asia) is a remarkable guy and i suggest you go wiki him before writing off this team. If he’s the Malaysian Govt’s ‘guy’ in the operation, i can’t think of a better choice. He’s outspoken, and not afraid to ‘do things different’, to zig when the other guys zag (ref James’s earlier post)

Most importantly, i believe he’s the right guy to help deflect the political maneuvering away from Mike Gascoyne and let him do the job as it needs to be done.

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I wish people would get over it: It NOT Lotus! Just some guy that bought the name. They’re totally lame imposters.

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Paige Michael-Shetley

This is just ridiculous. How in the world can they pass over an existing team on the grid with existing resources for a team that doesn’t have everything together?

Really dumb move by the FIA.

5

Hi James, Can you tell me how the various GP tracks are going to find pit boxes for 14 teams next year, particularly Monaco.

6

Very good question. It’s 13 at the moment, pending FOTA and the FIA agreeing to have another. But will all 14 make it? Max Mosley thinks three or four may not.

7

Hi James.

Your a very busy man currently with all the news thats breaking on a daily basis.

My question to you is how do you really rate the credibility of the new teams on next years grid. Do you think that the correct selection choices have been made or do you think other of the tendering teams were more suitable entrants? Also do you really believe that Cosworth will have a strong enough and realiable challenger for the current engine crop that’s out there. My last question to you is how do you feel about the direction that F1 is flowing towards ie the depletion of the Gobal Manufacturer’s and the re-emeregence of the small budget customer teams. Which is better for F1??? Thanks James keep reporting the inside track. Also I really believe that the Beeb has made a terrible mistake in not hiring someone with such an in-dept knowledge and passion for a sport which with all its faults is loved by millions around the world.

8

Hi James,

Can you give more insight into where and when Max Mosley has stated he doesn’t believe all the teams will make the grid next year? By no means am I questioning the statement, I’m just interested to see when it was said.

Also under the current engine regulations assuming all the teams do make the grid next year don’t we know have one too many teams running the Cosworth engine? (given Mercedes having to request permission from the FIA and FOTA to supply more than 3 teams) Does this mean Campos isn’t happening or USF1 have already made a deal with Toyota (or another engine supplier)

Keep up the great work!!

9

On BBC website in a video interview from last weekend.

10

As evocative as Lotus-Cosworth sounds, I was wondering about badging the engine a Proton. Petronas Lotus Proton would be a real Malaysian coup in F1.

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A commonsensical move by the FIA. Whether or not Lotus is really a better team than BMW Sauber is, perhaps, questionable, but the headlines are better. It will be nice to have the name back; and Mike Gascoigne is renowned for building neat and effective cars, often with limited resources, so there is hope.

Awarding a reserve slot to BMW Sauber is a perfect insurance policy. With Renault and Toyota not certain and three new teams (four including Lotus) also questionable to one degree or another, it saves a further selection process. I would be surprised to see 28 cars for all the reasons mentioned by others but with six teams possible to fall, BMW Sauber is not in a bad position.

12

This should be a welcome news for few drivers whose future looks uncertain. It should also help few new drivers come up the ladder faster. With all these changes, F1 seems to be coming back to a full cycle. More privateers drawn in. I hope it gives us back those days of exciting races. Off topic, a question for James. Do you see any reason for Toyota to continue in F1? I mean apart from topping the chart of biggest budget in F1, they have hardly topped anything. As an engine supplier as well, they have not made much progress. Williams is also gonna move onto another engine supplier in all likeliness. So, what is there for Toyota in F1?

13

Glad to see the name of Lotus back in the sport. I hope they go with a nice retro paint job of green & gold… They seem to have built a good team behind them so hopefully they will do well.

I do have to question though what they are going to do next season with 26 cars (maybe 28? if BMW Sauber get in on the act – who should in my opinion given they would probably be better than the 4 new teams) running around for 8 points places. I personally think there should be extra points down to, say, 12th place, and a point for pole, fastest lap, most laps led. Makes more of an incentive to the lower teams.

Or will they bring back pre-qualifying like in the late 80s/early 90s. It is certainly harking back to those days with the amount of new teams on the scene!

14

James,

Another question unrelated to this thread but wasn’t sure where else to post it. f1technical.net is running a story speculating that Flavio Briatore may be replaced by Alain Prost.

Have you heard anything along these lines?

15

“The FIA has given current team BMW Sauber “14th place” for 2010, meaning they are now first reserves to fill any vacancy on the grid should one arise.” (quote from BBC site)

I wonder if they (New Lotus) will get use of the track at Hethel. Have a look a the vis on the BBC page showing the Spanish GP of 1986 the tyres look bigger/wider, but the rear wings look much the same size as now.

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My James you are going to be busy today! In light of the BMW sale, the Renault hearing next week, Lotus coming back, that does mean 28 cars for next year. Does this pave the way for Renault to make a hasty exit after Monday’s hearing? It looks as though Flavio will be made the fall guy and some others suggest that he will be gone by then anyway. If there were 28 cars with a maximum grid of 26 does this mean a return to pre-qualify? Or would Saturday Q1 mean that the bottom 2 pack up for the weekend, the next 6 have a grid position, then Q2 has 20 cars, with 10 dropping out and a top 10 for Q3?

17

I for one would prefer a 28 car grid to a grid comprising of 3 car teams. I hope the teams go with the FIA’s proposals

18

I’d prefer it to be 27 cars if its 3 cars per team. Otherwise you’re going to need shared ownership of that 28th car!

3 * 9 == 27 not 28!

19

Have you seen the story on GPUpdate that BMW has been sold James? Looks like another Arab group buying in. If the price of oil keeps going up we can run F1 forever… 🙂

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/09/15/bmw-sauber-sold-to-swiss-company/

20

I saw that too. Other than buying my football team (Notts County), not much is known about them.

Apparently little is known about them other than they a re a Qatari funds group operating out of Switzerland…

Here is a link to the Notts County story from the Guardian with a mention about QADBAK investment group:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2009/sep/02/notts-county-takeover

21

This is bizarre… Announce a brand new team starting from scratch to replace an existing team on the grid which already have the personnel, facilities, cars, etc (granted, BMW are pulling out but I’d guess rescue talks are still ongoing for the team). On face value, who would now want to rescue BMW if they have no guaranteed slot on the grid? The FIA have seemingly destroyed a more than viable team with a past history of reasonable success, to approve a new FIA / Cosworth engined team.

At the same time they give BMW an imaginary 14th slot on the grid in case of any vacancies. What vacancies could they be talking about I wonder… Renault? So are they suggesting that the case against Renault has already been decided? Thanks to the constant feed of FIA (sponsored?) leaks and immunities, you’d think it might well be as it seems to be a witch hunt again rather than a real trial – I mean imagine if this was a criminal case? They’d throw it out! Or have Renault indicated that they’ve had enough and are going to withdraw regardless of the result of the “trial”?

I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist, but this is just all too obvious!!!

22

It will be good to see the Lotus name back on the F1 grid again next year and also to have Mike Gascoyne returning is excellent news

Will be interesting to see how good the new cosworth engines will be compared against the mercedes

23

James wont this have further consequences for the BMW – Sauber Team? Surely they’ll find it much more difficult to find a new buyer now that they aren’t even guaranteed a place on the grid next year?

It also throws another twist into the driver market showdown that is fantastically alluring at the moment. After all the speculation I really hope we get lots of diver moves to mix things up a bit.

24

It’s great to see a great name such as Lotus returning to the sport, but will this team be classed as a ‘new’ or will they continue with the stats recorded by the old Lotus team??

25

Hi James

Do you think they are intending to fill Renaults slot with BMW sauber if all does not go well for Renault on the 21st?

26

Does anyone know if this “Lotus” team have any real relation to the team Lotus that Ayrton Senna drove for?

I gather Peter Warr’s not going to manage the team..

27

No its not. See my prev post.

28

It is clearly and purely Mosley`s decision. He wanted Lotus back, he did not want a facotry outside the UK especially not the old BMW.

29

I wonder who might drop out to free up that 14th place????

Renault are finished IMO

30

James,

Is there any indication that pushing for a 14th team could be just a way of covering their bases in case one of the new teams (Manor, USF1 or Campos) falls by the way side? Or in case Renault get kicked out of F1 next week?

I’ve heard most circuits can only house 13 teams, so even if everybody agreed to 14 it wouldn’t be physically/logistically possible.

31

I was rather not expecting to see another new team getting approval from FIA. James, with this decision in mind what are the chances for raising the maximum number of cars on the grid? For me it looks like a smart move from FIA to get another new team and rescue Sauber in the same time. The decision about BMW application is in hands of all Formula 1 teams and I assume that they will try to help Sauber to survive.

32

Its awesome that lotus are returning to F1 even under the Malayasian flag. Seeing how Lotus belongs to them its only fitting.

Great news to see this iconic racing team return.

Now all I hope for is a Black and Gold car!

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