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Posted By: Justin Hynes  |  29 Aug 2014   |  2:13 pm GMT  |  582 comments

Nico Rosberg has admitted culpability for the collision that wrecked Lewis Hamilton’s Belgian Grand Prix chances and prevented a potential one-two finish for Mercedes at Spa-Francorchamps last weekend.

The admission came following a meeting today of the driver with team boss Toto Wolff and technical director Paddy Lowe.

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A team statement read: “Toto Wolff, Paddy Lowe, Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton met today in the boardroom of Mercedes AMG Petronas headquarters in Brackley to discuss the events of the Belgian Grand Prix.

“During this meeting, Nico acknowledged his responsibility for the contact that occurred on lap two of the Belgian Grand Prix and apologised for this error of judgement.

The statement added that Rosberg has been punished for the transgression. “Suitable disciplinary measures have been taken for the incident,” the team said.

No details were given of what those disciplinary measure are but they will not include anything that might compromise the team’s on-track performance, such as a race suspension for the championship leader.

“Lewis and Nico understand and accept the team’s number one rule: there must be no contact between the team’s cars on track” the statement added. “They remain free to race for the 2014 FIA Formula One World Championship.

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The team did, however, insist that it had been “made clear that another such incident will not be tolerated. But Nico and Lewis are our drivers and we believe in them.”

The row over the lap two incident between the two has garnered huge attention over the past five days, with Mercedes themselves taking to social media to gauge public opinion with the tweet:  “Would you suspend a driver for a race and not maximise constructors’ points? Perhaps you’d set the order at quali slots?” and also asking “To those who would prefer to see team orders implemented, how would you employ them?” As one might expect opinion was as split as it has been on this forum.

Subsequently both drivers issued statements. Hamilton said that, “Nico and I accept that we have both made mistakes and I feel it would be wrong to point fingers and say which one is worse than the other. ”

He added: “Today, Toto and Paddy told us clearly how we must race against each other from now on in a fair and respectful manner.

“The fans want to see a clean fight until the end of the season and that’s what we want to give them.

“It’s going to be a tough road from here but Championships have been won from much further back than I am now.

“And I promise you that I will be giving everything and more to win this for my team, for my family and for my fans.”

Rosberg meanwhile issued a statement in which he said, “I wish to go a step further and describe it as an error of judgement on my part. The number one rule for us as team-mates is that we must not collide but that is exactly what happened.

“For that error of judgement, I apologise to Lewis and the team. I also want to say sorry to the fans who were deprived of our battle for the lead in Belgium…

“I look forward to concluding the season with hard, fair competition on and off track right up to the final lap of the season in Abu Dhabi.”


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  1. Joost says:

    Too bad.

    Honestly I would be content if Mercedes really opted for the reserve driver in Nico’s car. Then I think they could undo most of the PR damage that has been done so far.

    They would then become a company with an image that is dedicated to real racing (as they have till Spa if you ask me). The reserve drivers are no joke, they can and will create a result for the team I think, although there is always a chance that you don’t succeed but there is plenty of time to catch up.

    By denying any point for Italy the championship fight will be open again and not on the backfoot as Hamilton’s campaign is at the moment.

    By doing so you will probably take away a lot of anger from the Hamilton fan base. I read the comments on their facebook page and can tell you they weren’t too happy :-)

    1. Richard says:

      Rosberg should have been suspended for at least a race, and had a replacement driver been put in for one race any constructors point loss would have been minimised. Mercedes however are putting themselves first, and while they find Hamilton’s point deficit regrettable they are not prepared to do anything that jeopardises theit point score in any way. They have said they won’t tolerate this sort of behaviour but in essence they already have. I think this outcome was predictable if unfair.

      1. Voodoopunk says:

        What a load of rubbish, as per usual.

      2. Nickh says:

        At least this will shut up a lot of posters that were inanely backing Rosberg over the incident and claiming Hamilton was at fault

      3. Bearforce1 says:

        You forgot to say “very dangerous” behaviour.

      4. Richard says:

        Voodoopunk: I try to be factual. Many supporters of Nico Rosberg on this site really do need to learn what racing etiquette is all about, and what is fair, and allowed, and what is not fair. They have to face up to the fact that while Rosberg is a fast driver, he isn’t as fast as Hamilton, and neither is as good in a wheel to wheel battle, and there lies the rub. Roseberg can’t beat Hamilton fairly so he has to resort to unfair means. I mean dam it all he’s had such advantage in terms of reliability, but unfortunately he isn’t skilled enough to back it up.

      5. Pkara says:

        Well said Richard . Totally agree with your post.
        Rosberg is at fault . But nothing will be done to level the playing field.
        Rosberg must be smiling while handing out an apology.
        He needs an outright race ban. Get Di Resta to race one race.
        But the Team is more important than the individual who has been wronged.
        Bit of of an empty gesture from Rosberg ( I assume he has a smile of a Jackal behind the apology)
        But lets see what happens at Monza. Hope Lewis gets a win for the next races &no mechanical issues.

      6. Bruno Menilli says:

        Hamilton also apologised for the mistakes he made , so they both made mistakes, therefore just a racing incident as deemed by the stewards [who were there], and all this latest PC stuff is just PR nonsense.

        When are Mercedes’ bosses going to apologise for saying what they did, about Rosberg before even speaking to the drivers ?

        Isn’t that unacceptable ?

      7. Voodoopunk says:


        …and incumbent

      8. kartarece says:

        4 what ?

      9. Uchiha says:

        Alonso, Hulk and Vet have come out with their opinion on incident saying that it was racing incident and unintentional and incident was blown out of proportion (we all know who did, Lewis of course). So from your point of view Alonso has no “racing etiquette” cause he crashed into Vet in same race.

    2. Tarun says:

      Does it even matter if Rosberg is suspended or not. I’m hundred percent certain that Mercedes transgressions in f1 would have no effect in how many cars they are going to sell in coming months.
      Ferrari during their winning days never let their drivers race and even mclaren during the hakinnen era. You should be thankful if not for merc letting their drivers race. This season would have been really dull!
      And lastly people will still buy Benz if they have the money. F1 thinks it’s too important but really it’s not

      1. Sagar says:

        Everyone suggesting Nico be suspended for a race. That is really funny. This is much better than the last 4 years where almost every year Seb dominated. What happened would have been totally okay if both of them belonged to different teams. This insane idea of suspending one driver would have not come up then right.
        What Merc really need to do is handle this well privately first before letting Lewis go out and make statements. And if they can let them race like men and not chatter away like kids to the media, at least the one who doesn’t get the WDC keeps his respect.

      2. Richard says:

        Since they are going to win the championship anyway Mercedes sales will hardly be effected, but F1 is not about car sales it’s about racing, granted a championship win can only raise perception of the brand. – It’s not why we’re here though. The fact remains Rosberg hasn’t been punish enough to cancel out the advantage gained by his misdemeanour

      3. PWRocketS says:

        It still amazes me why manufacturers enter F1. Regardless of results every manufacturer plays 2nd/ 3rd/ 4th fiddle to Ferrari!

        It is funny that some people tried to propose suspension to give Hammy an advantage. There were cases when a driver hurts his team/teammate (Webber/Vettle or Alonso/Hamilton) Was there any precedent for teams suspending their driver?

        The answer is no.

        Thank you.

      4. Matías says:

        do you think that Ferrari would sell more cars if they win a WDC? that’s irrelevant for them (in any case, they will sell more and more and MORE merchandising than cars, and i’m pretty sure that they earn as much on merchandising that in cars). And for mercedes: the same, but not for merchandising, but to do a accelerated engineering program in this hybrid PU. I see F1 as a Lab, not as a car dealership for the manufacturers..

      5. Quercus says:

        I don’t think anyone wanted a suspension for ROS in order to give HAM an advantage, PWRocketS. Rather it was to take away an unfair advantage for ROS: which is a very different kettle ‘o fish, don’t you think?

      6. PWRocketS says:

        Quercus & Richard. I understand you viewpoint but I respectfully disagree.

        Let me exaggerate: You keep repeating about racing etiquette, imagine Toto and Paddy have the balls they would ban Hammy from racing at Spa for disobeying team order (poor etiquette for not following team order as per Ross Brawn / Rob Smedley / Rod Nelson); Red Bull Daniel would be leading the Championship because Lewis and Nico would have been suspended on alternate races at every race since Bahrain. With such a dominate chassis/power unit the third driver (DiResta as many suggested!?) would be leading the Championship at this point?

        OMG I need to stop before my head explodes!

        I am a Mercedes fan but my favorite driver is still Schumi (keep fighting)!

      7. Richard says:

        PWRocketS: I do keep repeating words and phrases on the basis that if you tell someone something for long enough it will sink in, and they may even learn something.

    3. YVR says:

      A reserve driver to replace Nico will only create more friction, silly idea.

      1. Formula Zero says:

        How about suspending the entire grid so that Hamilton can win the championship? I think FIA should suspend at least Alonso, Rosberg, Ricciardo, Bottas, Massa & everyone really only because Lewis Fans’ wishes to. It should be only Lewis Hamilton on track & his gf on grand stand, the only spectator. Yep, I think that’s what Lewis fans wants no matter what the reality is. I got a new name for the championship too, “FIA Lewis Hamilton Championship”.

      2. PWRocketS says:


      3. Richard says:

        Formula zero: If you don’t know the difference then educate yourself about F1. Alonso is an excellent wheel to wheel racer and sticks to proper ettiquette as he knows the difference.

      4. Adriano says:

        Agreed. I’ve been both surprised and embarrassed by much of the fan/media reaction to what happened. Nico made a mistake that could’ve taken them both out: that’s it.

        All this binge for some kind of internal sanction is as preposterous as sprinklers or double points. They’re racing! It’s great!

    4. Joe S says:

      How on earth would suspending Rosberg show that they’re real racers? If anything, it would show the opposite. “We won’t allow for a single mistake” is what they be saying. They’ve shown they’re racers by letting them race, dropping one driver for a single poor error judgement wouldn’t be good. And I don’t think the reserve driver would be at the same level of performance.

      1. DH says:

        should read data

    5. lepton says:

      I wonder if LH can tell us what really was said in this meeting. :-)

    6. Craig D says:

      Rubbish. Firstly, Mercedes and the rest of F1 is not simply all about appeasing the Hamilton fan base. And most level minded people can see it was a a silly racing incident (albeit being Rosberg’s fault).

      Maybe Hamilton should be suspended also for going against the team and discussing internal team matters to the public. I can understand why he did it but it was still unprofessional.

      And in terms of Championship fairness – sh*t happens. That’s sport. If a driver has an engine failure should the team pull out the other driver as well so that it’s all nice and “fair”?!

      The whole thing is a storm in a teacup anyway.

      1. **Paul** says:

        I agree, it’s all part and parcel of motor racing. The whole thing has been made out to be a massive drama because it’s Lewis Hamilton and the championship is at stake.

        Whenever anything goes against Lewis, be it his error or not, all you see on social media and online is Hamilton fans throwing around stupid accusations and giving abuse to Mercedes. It’s all a bit pathetic really.

        This was a clear racing incident, and an error of judgement by Nico, had it happened in the opposite way around I don’t think we’d have seen anything like this reaction.

    7. grat says:

      Personally, I’d be in favor of them just refusing to share data between the two sides of the garage for a weekend, just to remind the drivers that they are, actually part of a team.

      I suspect it would hurt Rosberg more than Hamilton– Although we’ve heard radio chatter about specific corners where Rosberg is faster than Hamilton, I don’t recall a story about Hamilton getting a corner-by-corner breakdown of Rosberg’s racing strategies.

      1. Rockman says:

        I was just about to sugges this. But instead of one weekend, just completely shutdown this data sharing business between Lewis and Nico.

        May the best driver win.

        This way we can see who is the better all around package.

    8. Michael says:

      What was the punishment? What a load of crap! I still say Rosberg should sit out the next race. He is getting away with Murder! He does not deserve this Championship if he wins it!

    9. Michael Powell says:

      This is absurd, we all saw Lewis cut across and give Nico no room. And this for the third race with zero action from the team.

      Now that Nico has admitted to standing up for himself against this bully boy tactics he gets a penalty.

      It remind me of the school bully getting away with trouble making because the teachers are too weak to take control so they punish the victim instead.

      How can any of this allow Nico a clean race from now on? Has Lewis also promised to never cut across or brake test him in the future? How can we be sure there are no artificial impediments being put in place behind the scenes to prevent Nico from winning the championship?

      The idea of Mercedes running to the baying crowds on media sites to come to a sensible decision is utterly disgusting. It smells of desperation, a rabble in the colosseum deciding which gladiator is to die by the sword.

      Nico has the intelligence, hunger and the skills. Lewis just feels he has the Devine right. And Mercedes know they have paid too much to Lewis to let him be seen as the Number Two driver which clearly is his fate.

      Most of the Lewis fanboys posting here were dead against his move to Mercedes in the first place. I was one of the few in favour. I was wrong, he belongs elsewhere, Caterham for example.

      1. aezy_doc says:

        It’s not bully boy tactics, it’s a driver taking the racing line, as he is entitled to do. In the past Nico has avoided crashes, this time he caused one that denied the team 25 points. Merc have handled it badly, admittedly, by hauling over the coals in public, but Nico could have saved himself a lot of aggro by apologising for the error in the first place!

      2. grat says:

        It’s a chicane. It’s typically tough to leave room for any driver to pass. In fact, most drivers with any amount of experience, don’t try to pass in a chicane for that reason.

        There was no room for Nico to make that pass. Ever. Just like in Monaco a few years ago when Lewis tried to wedge his car between Felipe’s car and the curb in the middle of the Loews hairpin– it was never going to work.

        Had Nico said after the race that he misjudged the distance, or the gap, and he was very sorry for spoiling the race for his teammate and the fans, no one would have cared.

        What he said was that he chose not to avoid the collision to make a point… which was just boneheaded.

        You apparently have a strong dislike for Lewis Hamilton– that’s your right, but you shouldn’t let it completely blind you to the fact that Nico Rosberg, at best, chose poorly, and at worst, had a temper tantrum in the middle of a race.

    10. deancassady says:

      Wednesday Sept. 03 – lead up to Monza!
      headlines read, “Rosberg hopes for more luck in Italy”
      this makes me laugh, cynically.
      Because what would be better luck than increasing his advantage over his only title rival by 18 points?!?

      The PR slime that is oozing out these days, from everything around the global branding company (which makes automobiles).
      It does not look good on them, or any key participant in the ongoing soap opera.

      I hope neither of them finiosh, but if it is only one, I hope to see a balancing of the points pread between the two of them.

  2. Andrew M says:

    Would be interested to know what sanctions they put in place, but of course there’s nothing they can really do to redress the balance (apart from very draconian measures like race bans, and I think it’s pretty clear they wont do that).

    Also, while it’s clear that Rosberg is on thin ice and can’t afford any more incidents like this, what happens if Hamilton crashes into Rosberg? They can surely only give him the same punishment.

    Either way, my post-Spa pessimism has lifted slightly, and I still think this title race is on. I’ll be in the Royal Park in a sea of red with my Mercedes cap proudly displayed :)

    1. Jim says:

      The only thing I can think of to punish Nico but not the team would be to order him to let Lewis past the next time he’s in the lead. What if he didn’t do it? How about this for a nuclear option: I’ve seen a few mentions of Nico having a contract for next year, but would disobeying such an order break that contract? Bear in mind that this would not be a tactical team order during a race, sprung on a driver in the heat of battle, but a premeditated order given and agreed to before the race.

      1. superseven says:

        Given that a one race suspension isn’t going to happen, probably the fairest sanction open to Mercedes would be to deny Nico access to Lewis’ car data until after each race.

      2. Richard says:

        When I take my brain rattler ray gun to the next few races Rosberg won’t be able keep his car on the track let alone steer it round the corners.

      3. Formula Zero says:

        Unless James can’t type English I am pretty certain that he wrote, “drivers are free to race” as per Toto’s statement. So, letting Lewis pass isn’t the option.

      4. James Clayton says:

        Maybe Nico will not be able to see Lewis telemetry for the next race? :)

        doubt it though…

      5. ApexPredator says:

        The only hit Nico took was to his wallet of that I can guarantee you. No, there will be no real satisfaction for Lewis which will only stand to perpetuate his popping off to the press. He now feels that the team will do nothing to back him that will truly help him regain any ground. So if/when this happens again, and it likely will, they can only blame themselves when he turns to the media straight away.

  3. So, there is no responsibility on the part of Hamilton for all of the times he’s engaged in blocking, tried to run Rosberg off the road, ignored team orders and chopped across the bow when being overtaken or even when overtaking himself? Sad !

    1. Richard says:

      Well if you knew anything about race ettiquette you’d realise Hamilton has done nothing wrong. The first overtake in Bahrain was close but fair. Other instances where Rosberg has tried to come around the outside, the lead driver is allowed to squeeze the other driver by sticking to the racing line, and it is then encumbent on the attacking driver to withdraw. In the case of the team orders would you let someone pass that was in the same race, strategy irrelevant, and of Nikki Lauda said Hamilton had done the right thing as you simple don’t allow someone to pass you in that instance. The only sad thing here is your one sidedness.

      1. Bearforce1 says:

        Richard I love your posts for their one sidedness. They make my day.

        I actually do a search for “richard” on these articles to jump to your posts. Unfortunately there are now some others now posting here as richard.

      2. Richard says:

        Bearforce: Well there’s no secret I support Hamilton, but I believe in fair play. Actually I used to quite like Rosberg as a driver, but he has gone down in my estimation. If you can’t race fairly don’t race at all. The problem with may posters on this site they don’t have an understanding of racing etiquette, or they simply don’t want to have. Yes there is more than one Richard on this site, but I tell as it is, not how some would wish it to be. I have no problem with you following me as you eventually learn something.

      3. Formula Zero says:

        Richard mate, you are entitled to your opinion. Doesn’t mean you are right & everyone else is wrong. There is no right or wrong. What you think is fair might not be the same for others. Same goes with your FairPlay comment. Doesn’t mean you are neither wrong nor right. So settle down.

      4. DH says:

        Richard – maybe you would have more credibility if you tried a different argument other than “ettiquette”. I don’t think that word has been used so often by one person in such a short space of time. It is just becoming silly…..
        Face facts. All drivers make errors, some forced, some unforced, and some errors have unintended consequences. It could be touching another cars tyre and causing a puncture. It could also be refusing team orders and denying another driver of a win. It could be revealing team sectrets ……oh no wait – thats a violation of trust!!

      5. F1Kat says:

        how about the last attempt by Nico on Hungary to Lewis on the outside? Does Lewis took the racing line?
        To me It is racing incident and that’s it. Inside the team it is their problem.

    2. sarcosuchus says:

      Did HAM’s blocking lead to a loss of constructors and drivers championship points? Is blocking now the same as intentionally taking a teammate out?

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        Well said.
        Bit of common sense and Spa would have been an easy 1-2 for Merc. Alas…………
        Do you know what, Merc F1 are very fortunate that they are not in a tight battle for the constructors title, where every (lost) point counts. Perhaps Spa will re-focus them and “lay down the law” against cack handed driving.

      2. PWRocketS says:

        Yes he did cost the team Wins. Rosberg could have won in Hungary had Hamilton followed team order instead of ruining Rosberg’s tyres by not letting him run his race.

        It is quite normal nowadays for a team to advise their driver to run his own targeted lap time instead of fighting for position. Most drivers will oblige. Of course there are exceptions (which is totally gone). It’s just the fact that Hamilton constantly use the media to play mind games with Rosberg is really aggravating.

        Hamilton’s fans constantly moans about him having bad luck and lose points to Rosberg. Remember brake failure/glazing are his fault (FIA even allow him to cheat and replace the brakes without penalties). Also he’s only got himself to blame for driving beyond track limit during qualifying. It is actually good luck for Hamilton that the M-B is so superior that getting 2nd place when starting from the back of the field is generally a no-brainer. Remember those years when there were 4-5 drivers always fighting for Championships points? (Vettle / Webber / Alonso / Hamilton / Button, or Prost / Mansell / Piquet /Senna)?

        Hamilton is a very fast driver, he just doesn’t have the maturity (yet?). Certainly not as good as Alonso, and I would rate him behind Ricciardo and Vettle (both can use a good car to obliterate their teammate / the whole field).

      3. aezy_doc says:

        PWR, Hamilton could have won in Hungary if the team’s strategy had been up to par. Letting Rosberg past would have made no sense – all he would have done would be to drive up to the big red Alonso bus and sit there instead. The team lost in Hungary through bad strategy calls, not because Hamilton was faster than Rosberg.

    3. richard says:

      + 1
      in those couple of times before they would have clashed had Nico not open the wheel and run off losing time and position to Hamilton. I suppose that as long there is no contact their position is not to say anything… which is stupid because thats what led to what happened in Spa.

      1. aezy_doc says:

        Like Vettel did – because that is what you are supposed to do as the chasing driver who does not have the corner. What we saw was the difference between someone driving fairly and someone driving unfairly – Hamilton was fair, Vettel was fair, Rosberg was not.

    4. DC says:

      Totally agree – this is all ridiculous…

      ‘Free to race’ as long as Lewis is allowed to repeatedly chop across your bows (with no credit publicly given to Rosberg in the past for backing out to avoid a collision, as this situation would surely have happened earlier in the season otherwise), and the possibility of a 1-2 can be ignored only when that 1-2 would not be with Lewis in the 1 position.

      Not sure if you can shed some (more) light on the tone within Merc James? It sounds very much like Wolff and Lauda (in particular) are putting their arms around Hamilton and being publically and openly very critical of Roseberg in a way that I doubt would be the case if the shoe was on the no.44 foot… Being totally honest, do you think there is really any preference as to who the team (which admittedly can mean many things – the Board, Management and the mechanics etc) want to see win in the end?

      1. Richard says:

        Oh give me strength! When are you people going to learn about race ettiquette and understand what is allowed and what is not allowed. – It’s called defensive driving, and in the instance where you have a slower car through set up or tyres it maybe a drivers only defence. Of course Nico is also allowed to do it provding he has the skill to carry it through.

      2. Nickh says:

        No Dc

        Unfortunately James can’t shed any light on what you are trying to fabricate.

        Richard seems fairly on the money, you clearly don’t know much about Motorsport racing etiquette if you really think Hamilton ‘chopped across’ when he is a basically a whole car length in front.

        One would normally assume the lead car has the advantage of being ahead on the track, and therefore being rewarded to take whatever line they like, which they are entitled to do according to the rules. Lewis lost 18 points to Rosberg because Rosberg is a Monaco baby who wanted to prove a ‘point’

        Don’t forget it was Rosberg who went to deep into a corner in Monaco quali to end the session, just when Lewis was doing his lap. The only time he did that all weekend. In a car with this most grip.

        They should issue some rules for immature driving, the sort illustrated by Rosberg last Sunday.

      3. eric morman says:

        there are rules that state you may only once make a move in anyone direction before taking up the racing line, in other words you can move in any direction you like to defend but only once per every corner,
        when the next change of track direction approaches you may move again to defend,
        if your not up beside the driver in front where he can at least see you then he still can moving onto the racing line, the driver behind has to pull out or be run off the road.

        the driver in front owns the road, the driver behind has to give way until he can hold position alongside, now only now the front driver has to give the other enough room, but only in a straight line and entering the corner, if the overtaking driver can not hold station along side the front driver going around the corner then he may retake the racing line once again forcing the passing driver to yield,

      4. Daniel4WDC says:

        To DC and others of the same ilk. Richard is pretty spot on here. Unfortunately there seem to be a number of opinions that are just that. Opinions that lack any real understanding of racing, and particularly F1 racing.

      5. DC says:


        You are completely correct that these are just opinions, as are yours unless you are somehow trying to claim they are facts! You may well also be correct that I know nothing of racing, F1 racing, racing etiquette or whatever…

        However I assume you would agree that the stewards of a Formula 1 race do understand these things, and indeed have actual relevant experience directly of them. Funny how their ‘opinion’ of this incident doesn’t tally with yours. Similarly the FIA, and also Mercedes in fact, who I don’t recall referring the matter back to the stewards.

        As I have said before, this was a racing incident made out of a clumsy forced attempt at an overtaking manoeuvre and a leading driver without the sense to leave a half-metre more space whilst in a fight for a world championship whether he had the ‘right’ to the corner or not (that being the difference between the real greats who can win multiple world titles – in my humble and worthless opinion). Happens all the time.

    5. Quercus says:

      No, garrett bruce. Hamilton’s ‘robust’ driving is why he’s employed by Mercedes and why he’s at the top of his game. I agree with others who say HAM has done nothing wrong. If you still stick to your guns, point to any present or former F1 driver who backs up your opinion. And remember, ROS has now admitted he was at fault.

      All HAM asks is a fair fight, equality and his share of luck. Winning because of another driver’s bad luck or through unfair tactics would not give HAM the satisfaction in winning that he seeks.

      1. Richard says:

        Well said, spot on Quercus!

    6. Malcolm says:

      With all of your complaints about Lewis, did he ever hit Nico?……No.

      Regarding running someone off the road,…..well Nico accomplished that very same thing on Lewis at Bahrain in 2012.


      1. DML says:

        Interestingly Hamilton gained a position by exceeding track limits on that occasion and wasn’t penalised.

    7. ChrisInCA says:


    8. Elie says:

      Good heavens when is the message going to sink in. Hamilton did nothing wrong on track. It was Nico -the team acknowledged it , Nico apologised for it !!- and you people are still attacking LH.. What is wrong with you people..honestly lose your hatred

      Raikkonen fan

      1. Michael Powell says:

        Except that you are wrong. Lewis has accepted publicly that they BOTH made mistakes.

        The difference is that Nico has apologised and been punished for his error of judgment. We await with bated breath the announcement of the sanctions against Lewis.

        But don’t hold your breath waiting for his apology.

        He’s too engaged with his tattoos, his on-off girlfriend, his music bros, his flash personal jet, the yachting holidays and his super cars to put much thought into getting his attitude right.

      2. Elie says:

        @michael powell ( before tour comment gets posted) & before you say anything read my comment properly – I said Lewis did nothing wrong on track and Nico has accepted responsibility for that. Of course Lewis was wrong to drag the teams comments in public – and that is what his error and subsequent statement referred to- nothing else. So No Im not wrong at all and thats exactly whats i said when it happened too..’So Before you focus on drivers private lives and attitudes I would suggest fixing yours and getting your facts right first

  4. Steve Clark says:

    Washing dishes in the Brackley canteen? Perhaps team laundry?

    1. Random 79 says:

      Washing dishes maybe, but fortunately for Rosberg Hamilton has already aired the teams dirty laundry for him :)

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        Perhaps Lewis could, ahem, “accidentally” put in that Ghost Chilli paste into Rosberg Junior’s food?
        Wait a minute, that’s culinary espionage! But whose to say that sort of thing hasn’t gone on in the past………………I distinctly remember Nigel Mansell having a bit of “Montezuma’s Revenge” in Mexico City when he was going for the WDC………………..Nige was a bit “off colour” all weekemd, including making a dreadful start………………..
        Well, anything to put a driver off his feed so to speak………………

      2. glennb says:

        Very good Random :) I thought you went out too hard too early but how wrong I was. You’re finishing this season more strongly than ever ;)

      3. TGS says:

        Haha nice one

    2. richard says:

      id choose the canteen…. yikes for the team laundry…

  5. GB says:

    As Lewis suggested. The teachers have given Nico detention, made him say sorry and given him a slap on the wrists. I’m sure it doesn’t matter to him as much as that 18 point swing did.

    1. Andrew M says:

      Probably a 25 point swing actually.

    2. Michael says:

      I would go as far as to say it was a 25 point swing. Hamilton should have led home a 1 – 2 Mercedes finish. He had cleanly taken the lead at the start and it was his racw to win from the position he was in with the car he had beneath him.

      1. Warren G says:

        Love how the Hamilton fans automatically assume that Hamilton was going to win the race. The incident happened on lap 2 while Hamilton was being hounded by Rosberg. I understand Rosbergs point, but with a little more patience he would have passed Hamilton with DRS anyway.

        Lewis may have been in the lead, but he was by no means looking fast. Even Vettel had a go on the lap before, check where he finished up.

    3. DC says:

      As it should be for a racing incident that did not warrant even detailed investigation by the stewards of the meeting, let alone any form of penalty.

      Lets not forget that this is a big deal because of the championship situation and the existing rivalry within Mercedes – not because of the actual incident itself, the like of which happens all the time in Formula 1.

      1. Formula Zero says:

        Exactly right, if it was any other driver involved but Lewis we probably wouldn’t even see one headline about it. The British way of handling things is “let’s blame others”. There is a saying in Australia about some Brit sportsmen & some fans, “they are bad losers, but certainly the worst winners”.

      2. Nickh says:

        Actually no.

        Other high quality drivers on the grid such as Alonso, Kimi, Vettel, Ricc could have easily avoided the crash.

        They can all get around corners with another driver without tearing the ones rear wheels to shreds

      3. Formula Zero says:

        To Nickh, Alonso ran into the back of Vettel in case you were were watching nascar instead. Vettel was names “new crash kid” by Whitmarsh for too many crashes, Hamilton drove into the back of Kimi in canada in the pit lane when Kimi’s car was stationary. So, your would’ve could’ve prediction is biased. All these examples are just errors, not the first time happened in F1. Nico is a very high quality driver, definitely a multiple championship material, but made mistakes like everyone else. Error isn’t crime. Alonso had had his front wing damaged, Vettel was lucky to avoid puncture. I didn’t hear anybody crying about that, not even any word about it in any website!

      4. Aljo says:

        re Formula Zero comment

        Google “Australian poor losers” then “British poor losers” interesting result, draw your own conclusions

      5. Michael Powell says:

        Nickh, perhaps you fell asleep before the end of the race, because you seem to have not noticed the collision between Alonso and Vettel resulting in the same sort of wing to tyre damage. And here, there were no mitigating circumstance. And no punishment either.

        Nico has admitted standing his ground and refusing to be shoved off the track again. Let’s hope Lewis has agreed not to do it for the rest of the season, it’s an ugly move and unacceptable, as Toto would say.

        Right or wrong the guy in the car behind always gets the blame, that’s all that happened.

    4. Rockman says:

      Hamilton is a fast driver but hard to like given the fans that support him. Just so one sided, it’s not even worth arguing anymore.

  6. pking007 says:

    That is very very convenient for Nico isn’t it? He had a chance to apologize on the podium he didn’t. He had a chance to apologize afterwards, he didn’t, he had a chance to do so even at the meeting of 16.45 he didn’t insisting he did it to prove a point. Now, the whole world is descending on Mercedes and its sponsors and voila, all of a sudden he takes responsibility almost a week after the event at a new meeting after tweeting just a day ago that Lewis was lying about what he said in the first meeting and we are supposed to believe him? Also conveniently, he is laughing all the way to the WDC with a 29 points lead illegally accumulated in Monaco and Spa. What exactly is the disciplinary action against him? we would like to know Toto.

    1. Richard says:

      Well said, and as you say Lewsi was exactly right about the punishment!

      1. 24601 says:

        Richard – a reply without the word “ettiquette” in it.

      2. Richard says:

        24601: Nothing wrong with the word ettiquette is there? Some on this site either don’t know enough about it, and don’t want to know about it, but if I keep telling them then they may learn something. Rosberg’s “error of judgement” wasn’t a simple racing incident, it was more than that. A simple racing incident is where there is no pre-meditation, and by accident or oversight they collide. In this instance there was some pre-meditation, indeed Rosberg was inflamed and kept his foot in until far too late such that he would encroach on Hamilton’s natural racing line. In my view it was “red mist” that took Rosberg into Hamilton, and what’s more he knew he’d done wrong, but evaded any question put to him by the media.

    2. richard says:

      illegaly is going too far…. you dont crash into someone on purpose DC said so, it would be impossible to hide from the telemetry… and risking loosing control on purpose in no other place than monaco would be even worse… why risk a massive shunt, throw all the set up work out the window and even worse, risk damaging one of your five precious engines/gearboxes??? you see? It doesnt make sense…..its just blind love for Hamilton, when you look at it with clarity it doesnt make a single iota of sense.

      1. Richard says:

        Have you studied Rosbergs steering inputs? If you had you might come to a different conclusion. It certainly was no ordinary mistake, it was more than that as any sensible driver would have backed out and waited for a better opportunity. As it was no move was on, and Rosberg knew it.

      2. Spinodontosaurus says:

        When one ‘studies’ Rosberg’s steering inputs, you will find he steers to the left to avoid hitting Hamilton. He then steers back to the right to make sure he stays on track (at which point you will probably point to how he could/should have simply took to the run-off area. And you would be right, but this is irrelevant in the context of “was it on purpose”).

        Please stop attributing innocent an tiny mistakes to pure malice. It’s getting ridiculous now how every little mistake Rosberg does is invariably twisted to portray him as some scandalous villain – are you THAT desperate to despise the guy?

      3. Nick says:

        I disagree that taking the escape road is not relevent as it is a viable if not the best and safest option of avoiding contact (that’s what it is there for.)

        Given Rosbergs two violent inputs to the right on the steering no doubt to steady a car entering into the corner too fast shows that he decided at that moment not to take the escape road but intentionally put both cars at risk knowing that he could not slow down forcing hamiltom to yeald a corner which was his. It can be related to pulling out of a junction whilst knowing a car is fast approaching forcing them to brake, conciously making the decision to prioritse yourself ahead of what the situation dictates.

        Whilst Rosberg may have made some genuine and costly errors to Hamiltoms campaign, this one if truly intentional or not, was definately a premeditated plan to show Lewis that he is willing to take them both out if Hamilton doesn’t concede.

    3. Peter says:

      Nothing has changed regarding Lewis lying to the press (as you mention above)
      Rosberg has not said he caused the crash on purpose – he has just accepted responsibility for it and apologised.

      The joke is that now if Lewis wins the next race we will all think that it was gifted to him and not won on merit.

      1. Quercus says:

        [mod]No one in the team—except Nico, you say—has suggested HAM has lied to the press. ROS said he caused the collision to ‘make a point’, and has now taken responsibility for it.

        [mod]. You don’t do ROS any favours by trying to defend the indefensible.

      2. James Allen says:

        No need to insult other posters. Everyone has equal right to their views – Mod

    4. Michael says:

      I really want Lewis to win this WDC. It’s time for the racing gods to come down hard on Rosberg. He really doesn’t deserve to be in this position. In my opinion Hamilton has drove better than him all year. I can’t remember Rosberg doing anything memorable on the track. Most of his wins have been gifted because of DNF’s by Hamilton.

  7. goferet says:

    Good that the air has been cleared at the Mercedes camp for what makes issues get out of hand in F1 is if they get swept under the carpet as grudges are sometimes hard to swallow if the players don’t put their cards on the table.

    So yes, respect to Rosberg for owning up and taking the punishment like a man, we can now once again look forward to some clean racing up front.

    Interestingly, Lauda didn’t attend the meeting but a big thank you to the Mercedes team for keeping the free to race rule in place.

    Yes, it would have been unfair to a driver behind the standings if team orders came into play for the reminder of the season.

    Last but not least, hopefully the team can get to iron out their reliability for this is the biggest concern heading forward and not the wrangles between their pilots.

    1. JAWA hs-f1 says:

      Ha..aa , you really think all the air b/w them has been cleared and everything will be hunky dory in Merc camp??

      Personally, I don’t think either of them are going to forget this incident. Lewis will continue to project himself the victim. How he’s driving with “his heart on sleeve”, “more than bad luck theory”, “driving fair”, “how nico is just ahead becoz of realibilty” and what not?

      And I don’t think Rosberg will forget Spa EVER.. Neither Malaysia 2013 nor Hungary 2014. And I’m sure it must be at the back of his mind, in all those incidents, team has sided with Hamilton.

      They may not collide again at least this year. (I won’t be surprised if Merc manages the strategy to keep them apart on track) But, there will be no love lost. They may smile in front of cameras to keep Merc happy, but that’s about it.

      Full marks to Rosberg for doing the right thing though. He resisted the temptation to play the victim in the media in all the above mentioned incidents and straight batted all the provocative media questions.
      Hamilton did the complete opposite and have only added fuel to fire in every incident (apart from Malaysia 2013).

      I just wished that the Mercedes management had handled the whole affair more effectively. Both Toto and Lauda dished out over the top criticism. They are “supposed” to manage their drivers, but looks like Merc needs someone to manage them…!!!

      1. goferet says:

        @ JAWA hs-f1

        But you forget that the Mercedes lads have been at it since they were in karts and so they have been through the highs and lows and lived to tell the tale.

        So yeah, am optimist for the partnership heading forward.

      2. james encore says:

        Well …. Lewis had a car failure in Australia which cost him 25 points and gave Nico an extra 7. Next 4 races Lewis won.
        Monaco: Nico’s qualifying mistake gave him pole and the win 7 more points for him, 7 fewer for Lewis. .
        Austria: Lewis made a qualifying mistake and put him 9th but he clawed back to second
        Somehow Nico’s car kept going in Canada giving him another 18 points, balanced out by his gearbox failure at Silverstone (where he would have come second).
        Germany Lewis’s brake exploded, in qualifying and Hungary the car caught fire. He got third in both, but that has to be seen as 10 points lost in each (and Nico gained 7 in Germany).
        Spa, Nico got the second he would have got anyway but cost Lewis 25 points. So net Lewis can count up 77 points more which he should have (25 in Melbourne and Spa, 10 in Hungary and Germany, 7 in Monaco – all 5 he should have won but for car issues or Nico’s crashes) , and 21 fewer Nico should have (Wins instead of 2nds in Australia, Monaco and Germany).

        I’m not sure where Nico can feel like a victim in anything this season. He couldn’t pass Hamilton in Bahrain, Spain or Hungary despite having a tyre advantage in all 3. In Bahrain, Germany, Hungary he got pole because of issues with Hamilton’s car. Ditto Spa, but that was probably of Lewis’s making. In Britain he got pole because the team didn’t tell Lewis to finish his lap and in Monaco he got it thanks to his own lap, so by my count his tally is 3 wins when he should have been second, 2 seconds when he shouldn’t have finished, and one DNF when he should have been second. Plus 4-6 pole positions .

        I think Wolff and Lauda got it right. The drivers can race: there is one rule, one order, and that is you don’t take the other guy out. And Wolff’s words was clear on that to the BBC – stony silence on the issue of Nico being booed – and then “Absolutely unacceptable … we’ve often discussed that situation … you don’t try to overtake with the knife between your teeth on lap number 2″ Lauda seemed mostly bothered about it happening so early … It would have been more forgivable at the end of the Spanish or Bahrain races, you try and try to get past and make a mistake at the end , life’s like that sometimes. But on lap 2 ?

        When did a team last say in public they’d punished a driver ? Red Bull certainly didn’t when Vettel broke team orders issued by Horner on the radio so the latter has no authority any more. We’ve no idea what the punishment is, but I’d expect Wolff to have said “any repetition, by either of you and I’ll put my wife in the damned car for the next race.” or something to that effect.

      3. JAWA hs-f1 says:

        I’m a realist.
        Let’s wait n watch.
        I do expect them to continue driving for Mercedes, but there will always be the needle. If I’m not mistaken, Lewis won their year together in karting. And he’s been all jolly whenever he has won this year. Trouble starts only when he doesn’t win.
        “Partnership”, I’m not so sure, but I imagine the rivalry will grow and the onus is on the team -how to channel that competitiveness b/w the two to win more championships for Mercedes.

      4. JAWA hs-f1 says:

        My previous comment was in response to “goferet”

      5. JAWA hs-f1 says:

        @james encore

        Firstly, your tally of 77points is based on a lot of ifs and buts. It’s based on a lot of assumptions at which, you have taken full liberty.

        Don’t you think its debatable Lewis would have won in Australia? It’s presumptive to say Lewis would have automatically qualified on pole in hungary and Germany. And if he did in Hungary, who knows he might have suffered from bad timing of Safety Car, just like Nico.. And btw what has Nico got to do with Lewis’s mistake in Austria??

        Don’t get me wrong, I’m fully aware Hamilton has had the bigger share of bad luck. And most likely he would have been leading the championship by some margin.. But how can we quantify?Reliability has always been part of motor-racing.

        Secondly, you mention” Nico got pole because the team didn’t tell Lewis to finish his lap”.

        Read the following radio message from Peter Bonnigton to Hamilton during Q3 in Britain:

        “OK Lewis. If you don’t think you can do a lap, then let Nico go. Let Nico go. If you think you can complete the lap, then carry on as you are.”

        Now, English is not my first language. It’s not even the second language that I speak. But I believe his engineer told him, if he thinks he can complete the lap, then CARRY ON.
        The problem is in a lot of F1 websites, ONLY the first part of the message was highlighted (especially in Bristish media)to give an impression the team misled Hamilton and asked him to move over for Nico. The reality is Hamilton made a mistake and thought he couldn’t improve, then chose to dive in the pits.

        Thirdly, like you, even I want the two of them to be allowed to race.
        The whole Spa incident has been blown out of proportion. Hamilton himself has been involved in more silly contacts (even with his team-mate Jenson at McLaren). Even this year, this was not the first time Hamilton’s car made contact with other car. It happened in Germany as well.
        I can sympathize with him on the account of bad luck he had in Spa, but sorry, his conduct after the race has been pathetic.

      6. Basil says:

        @JAWA hs-f1

        This is the best comment in regards to a conclusion of this whole affair. For me, Nico is the unsung hero in all this drama.

      7. james encore says:

        @ JAWA hs-f1

        Australia. Total times this season Rosberg has passed Hamilton off the start or during the race is …. zero. So it seems a fair assumption.

        I drew a contrast between Monaco and Austria. Rosberg makes a mistake in Monaco and it prevents Hamilton beating his time, so he got pole. Hamilton made a mistake in Austria, and it put him in 9th place. When Nico screws up (Monaco and Spa) it works out to Lewis’ disadvantage: that’s real luck. When Lewis screws up, it works out to Lewis’ disadvantage.

        I should have been clearer : Lewis can say
        * he should have won Australia, with Nico second but Nico won and he got nothing. 32 points net to Nico
        * He should have got pole in Monaco and won the race but Nico’s off meant it was the other way round . Net 14 points to Nico
        * Both of them should have retired in Canada, but Nico’s car clung on. Net 18 Points to Nico.
        * He would have passed Nico at Silverstone, but Nico should have been second but his gearbox failed Net 18 points to Lewis.
        * But for the brake issue in qualifying in Germany he would have won instead of driving from 20th to 3rd, but Nico won. Net 17 points to Nico.
        * Hungary 22nd to 3rd, 6 seconds behind the winner. Starting anywhere near the front he’d have won. 10 points lost relative to Nico.
        * Belgium. Another 25 points lost. .

        So in Lewis’ head he shouldn’t be 29 points behind but 69 points ahead. He should have won everything except Canada and Austria, and has had 4 poles but should have had 8.

        And Nico’s side. Lewis wouldn’t get of the way for him in Bahrain, Spain, or Hungary. Poor lamb. And he was still so upset by Hungary that he chose to collide rather than back off on lap 2 in spa.

        I’m not sure where you find fault with Hamilton’s comments post Spa. Nico is supposed to mentally strong, and he cracked, he was visibly rattled by being booed, his bosses have condemned him. When given the ammunition of Nico saying he chose collision over avoidance any driver with a competitive instinct would use that.

      8. eric morman says:

        Nico the perfectionist,
        hard to believe someone after all this which has happened cant even see both drivers are at fault,
        there is no perfect solution to this scenario,
        all Merc want is to have the cars run at their full potential show the world how good they are at making fast reliable vehicles and win with 1-2 finishes,
        trouble is we have two drivers that are greedy enough to disrupted that chain of thought for their own gains,
        so Merc have once again told the “drivers” to behave,
        reading anything else into this is stupid,
        because if there is another crash there definitely will be fireworks for either driver that they deem to be at fault.

      9. Frederick says:

        The only time the team has deliberately hurt Hamilton is Hungary. No one can clearly explain why 1 30 lap stint on mediums was better than 2 15 lap stints on perfectly unused brand new softs. If Hamilton couldn’t make it work then bad luck to him. In Hungary Mercedes strategy was awful and they gave RBR a victory instead of a great 1/2 for both their drivers – and don’t forget Spa may not have happened if the drivers were allowed to race in Hungary on the same tires. All the other “bad luck” is sports. Fate is a cruel mistress.

    2. Ebi Bozimo says:

      What ‘punishment’? Saying “I’m sorry”? Puh-leeze!

      Hamilton was right. He’s got a ‘slap’ (or perhaps even a pat) on the wrist and has lost NONE of what he gained illegally at Spa. If the really wanted to punish him, they’d deny him his perfumed hair products for the rest of the season… Oh, and change the zip he keeps fiddling with on the front of his race suit to a set of buttons!

      1. goferet says:

        @ Ebi Bozimo

        No, the punishment wasn’t an apology but something else which the team didn’t disclose to the public.

      2. Tyemz says:

        @goferet, In that case, we need to watch out for the zip on Nico’s suit or the appearance of his hair

    3. Richard says:

      What about point advantage unfairly acquired? They have done nothing to redress that as predicted.

      1. goferet says:

        @ Richard

        Unfortunately in sport once the result has been declared final, there isn’t anything anyone can do about it.

      2. Richard says:

        goferet: On the contrary the team could have suspended Rosberg for a race at least, but they are want to ensure their own points tally.

      3. DC says:


        So ‘unfairly acquired’ that the stewards of the meeting did not even consider this worthy of prolonged investigation, let alone any penalty. Similarly the FIA did not choose to re-open the matter, nor did Mercedes request that they do so.

        There is quite simply nothing to redress. This was a racing incident made out of a clumsy attempt at an overtaking maneouver and a leading driver without the sense to leave a half-metre more space. Happens all the time.

      4. JF says:

        Nothing to redress: it was not even considered an incident worth investigating by the stewards before or after the race.

      5. JF says:

        DC has it exactly correct.

    4. Richard says:

      Rosberg deserves no respect and has only apologised and accepted the punishment as he had no choice, all of which was probably conditional to him continuing.

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        Agree Richard.
        I gave Rosberg Junior the benefit of the doubt after Monaco quali, but what he did at Spa was cack handed, and dare I say this, very immature for an experienced 29 year old racing driver who should know better.
        I don’t believe in luck, but I do believe in what goes around comes around and all that………….don’t worry, Karma will give Lewis back the points he lost at Spa.

      2. 24601 says:

        So in future there will be blame apportioned to every racing incident and the driver in the wrong will have a one race ban and lose all respect.

        I look forward to an empty grid one day with all drivers sitting it out having lost all respect!

    5. Gaz Boy says:

      There’s a dichotomy in top level motor racing: racing drivers are fiercely individual people but they compete for a team and every team is mandated to employ two racing drivers……………….so the needs of the individual have to compromised for the benefit of the team!
      Honestly, its a juxtaposition/contradiction/dichotomy that really can only be resolved by having, to take one example: a fast driver (Rubens) and a very fast driver (Michael), and yet, the purist in myself hates that, and would prefer to have two equal racing drivers in the same team………….
      Perhaps the best solution is for those individuals to exercise some common sense. What’s the old cliche, you can’t win the race in the first couple of laps and yet you sure as hell can loose it?
      Common sense – a rarefied commodity in modern day motor sport!

      1. JF says:

        Very true: there was little common sense employed by either Merc driver, and that is what caused this accident. One driver with a point to prove and one driver with a sense of entitlement.

  8. Sebee says:


    I guess we can chalk this victory up for Lewis.

    I don’t imagine much arm twisting was needed for Nico to help Wolff and co. clean up the PR mess. There was really no way this could have been addressed and closed via any other statement. No way they could call it a racing incident and put this to bed. It had to be black and white, clear as ever, end of story.

    Meanwhile, the truth is, Lewis absolutely cannot initiate contact or be deemed responsible for contact hence forth, so he’ll have to watch those mirrors more carefully. Nico has his 29 points, and won this argument where it counted really. Worth a little apology if you ask me. Finally, JAonF1 servers can take a well deserved breather.

    1. Richard says:

      Yes most unfair!

      1. Michael Powell says:

        Richard. Go watch the races from the beginning of the season. But avoid all enhanced video on satellite channels, just the raw feed from the race via the BBC.

        After that you may well have a better impression of the season and how it’s intricacies are being played out for you.

        But if you spend hours and hours poring over just a second or two of that infamous corner incident, especially if you are addicted to computer graphics restaging in super slow motion, you may eventually really, really upset yourself.

        It’s only light entertainment, after all. Who really cares? Not even Mercedes probably. Does anyone really drive to the car showroom next morning to buy a Merc because they think they will be getting one like they saw on the telly on Sunday afternoon?

        It’s just something light and airy to keep you planted on your sofa all weekend instead of wearing yourself out gardening or cycling when you should be resting for the working week ahead. It’s like going to church, so relax.

    2. deancassady says:

      No way, this whole thing is an unmitigated victory for Nico, like or lump it.
      He is 29 points in the lead, increasing his lead by 18 points in the ‘race of the incident’, now if Hamilton even makes an honest mistake and somehow has contact and Nico goes out, he’ll be the one to, may we devine the penalty, sit out a race?

      1. Sebee says:

        Trust me, no one is sitting out a race.

        Can you imagine? WDC contender sitting out a race? Talk about fixing a championship!

      2. Bearforce1 says:

        I know right. Its just soooooooo unfair.

        I mean like wow, poor Lewis what does he have to do to get a break in this life.

        You know like gag me with a spoon.

        Just totes ridick.


    3. Richard says:

      Hamilton did nothing wrong whatsoever. The contact was entirely Rosberg’s fault, and he has got off lightly.

      1. Rockman says:

        I think to be fair to Lewis and to help your blood pressure.

        Nico, Daniel, Seb, Alonso, Kimi, Bottas, Maldonado, etc should all sit out the next three races and let Lewis have it so he can claw back the points lost. It’s only fair.

        Mercedes will be seen as champions and Lewis fans will rejoice forever and ever for he is not a one hit wonder. He is now a multiple WDC.

        It’s only fair.

      2. Michael Powell says:

        Yea, yea, you said that already. And we didn’t believe you then either.

    4. Quercus says:

      Lewis is not interested in PR victories, he just wants a fair crack of the whip and to win the WDC by being the best driver. And isn’t that we all want: the best driver to win in a fair fight?

    5. Matías says:

      agree with you: if anything, this put much more pressure on Lewis than Nico: Nico can afford to be extra cautious, he’s leading the championship, but as for Lewis, he have to gamble, and if he even come anything near of crash his car on Nico, he’ll be the most penalized: may ruin his race, and after that, mercedes will put him in a sin bin. So, i think actually nico come up on top in this one!

    6. Formula Zero says:

      I don’t reckon LH fans will neither have a breather nor let anybody else breath unless FIA gifts LH the championship only because he is the only driver ever to deserve the championship in the history of any sport. I think LH should claim Michael Phelps’ Olympic gold meddles too because he deserves it, and the football World Cup from Germany because he deserves it, why not claim the first moon landing too because he deserves it.

      1. Sebee says:

        Moon landing was staged in a studio. Everyone knows that. Watch the documentary about it called Capricorn 6. Then Senna after for a double bill Tuesday.

      2. Sebee says:

        Wrong number, Capricorn One it is called, then watch Formula One.

      3. C63 says:

        Wasn’t Capricorn One a 70′s ‘thriller’ movie about a Mars landing hoax?
        Mars is completely different to the Moon – it’s a sickly sweet confectionary and also has a Roman God named after it for starters ;-)

      4. Sebee says:

        C63, I just came out of a poolside nap and not only couldn’t remember the mission number but also the destination. Anyhow, to any conspiracy dude it’s documentary, that was my point.

        I’m off to a local retro video store to rent it…on VHS only!

      5. Rockman says:


  9. Monji says:

    Nice to see this. Those who agreed he shouldn’t apologize must be feeling (well you know “mod”)…

    1. sarcosuchus says:

      They’re finding increasingly ingenious ways to bend the reality: “respect to Nico for manning up” they say, despite the fact that he’d had numerous chances to fess up.

    2. Voodoopunk says:

      It costs Rosberg nothing if the team say he apologised.

      1. Thompson says:

        It cost him plenty.

        His next few podiums will be ‘interesting’ – his next few drivers interviews too.

        Probably the way people look back on his ‘champion’ season

        Maybe even his father’s respect.

      2. Voodoopunk says:


        “It cost him plenty.”

        Only to people who are interested in the inconsequential.

      3. Thompson says:


        Well I beg to differ, it is pretty conseqiential! consider in a few years time and he shows Rosberg JNR his wdc season on super 4k blue Ray with True HD DTS sound track only for little Rosberg Jnr to look up at him and ask……

        ‘Daddy, why did the people start booing at you every time you stood on the podium?

        Was it to prove a point?’

        It’ll be fascinating to see what reception he now gets till season end. You think. that’s inconsequential?

        Then again he may not get bood, but how many races after multi21 before they stop booing Vettel?

      4. Voodoopunk says:


        Beg to differ away…

        It says more to me about the people that boo than the person they’re booing.

        “It’ll be fascinating to see what reception he now gets till season end. You think. that’s inconsequential?”

        Yes, it matters not.

      5. Thompson says:


        Well allow me to differ again.

        It matters alot – run a pole amongst your friends, family, work colleagues….etc.

        Ask them if they were a famous sports personality (WWF villains not included)
        Would it matter if they were constantly booed and where constantly meet with negativity from a sporting public or not.

        Speaking for myself I would not.

        We are all human and the sporting public – that’s us by the way – make or break legends.

        Lets not argue for argue sake Nico is flesh and blood, it matters don’t matter how brave a face you put on it…..

        If Rosberg can seethe for the whole summer, brake he’ll care.

      6. Thompson says:


        That ‘not’ should not be there, that should read ‘I would’

        Were did that ‘not’ come from – these phones…..pah!

  10. Michael Grievson says:

    This whole thing has been blown completely out of proportion in my opinion

    1. Brace says:


    2. Quercus says:

      It’s passion, Michael. If the WDC is won in any way other than by the superior driving skills of the best driver, F1 suffers.

      1. JF says:

        WDC is never won by superior driving skills, its the best car that wins.

      2. DC says:

        In that case F1 has been suffering since 1950, as i’m pretty sure the best car has won many more times than the best driver…

      3. SilverArrow says:

        Then what would you say to those who claim that has been the case for the past four (arguably five) seasons? The show will go on, regardless of the opinion of a handful of fanatics.

      4. Quercus says:

        In response to JF, DC, and SilverArrow, all I can say is; “and don’t you think F1 has suffered in every past year where one car has become dominant?” Team orders have also played their part but I still think you’ve all underlined my point for me.

        Arguably, 2014 has the potential to be the exception that proves the rule, but only because, hopefully, Mercedes will let their drivers race one another, fairly, to the bitter end. Let’s hope today’s news means that will happen.

    3. JF says:

      Amen: a simple racing incident no more.

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        Between two team-mates though!
        The 11th Commandment for being a Racing Driver is: “Though Shall Not Hit One’s Team-mate!”

    4. JF says:

      There have been other team mate collisions this year if I remember correctly. Unless I missed it there was not much made of it by anyone. I guess if your not in a top team no one cares. Most of the uproar is due to aggrieved fans of specific drivers rather than fans of F1 as a sport.

      1. DC says:

        Spot on!

    5. Formula Zero says:

      I thought it’s a british thing anyway

  11. mitchw says:

    Which enterprising journalist will find out Nico’s penance? Well, you could just ask Lewis.

    1. richard says:

      8:::D Nice one!!!

    2. furstyferret says:

      I hear hes being made to listen to nicole scherzigers latest album TWICE oh the horror the horror

    3. Andrew M says:

      Hopefully he’ll tweet it.

    4. Quercus says:

      There are some poor readers of character among Nico’s supporters.

      1. Brent says:

        And gullibility amongst Hamilton’s.

      2. Elie says:

        You just had a go at JA : )

    5. JF says:

      I suspect that Nico was simply asked to take one for team and apologize. Just to close the door on this nonsense. Even though the accident was a racing incident and pretty much 50-50 between them.

      1. Elie says:

        For the 1000th time. it was Nico’s fault he admitted it and you come with 50/50-REALLY !

      2. Msta says:

        Agreed, Nico is saving Lauda and Wolff and has most likely received a topping up of his bank account.

    6. C63 says:

      Wasn’t it Nico that blabbed to Vettel about the secret Pirelli tyre test? There is simply no contest when it comes to a debate about which driver has a history of leaking the most damaging information!

      1. Michael Powell says:

        So are you condoning the tyre test? Or just annoyed that somebody found out?

  12. Becken Lima says:

    For me, the subtleties of Lewis statement is the more interesting thing that came out; Lews´ acceptance of his own mistakes makes me wonder that Nico´s actions at track and his statement about “to prove a point” worked really well.

    The team was obligated to review all past track hostilities between both drivers, and Lewis must have to step back a little.

    So, Nico really came out from this as the winner – even with Mercedes pantomime about “disciplinary measures” towards him.

    1. PeterF says:

      Rosberg’s “point” was to Wolff and Lowe, not to Hamilton, this was about Hamilton not being made to move over for him in Hungary, despite being told to. He was making the point that if Hamilton did not have to listen then neither does he. Had he not taken Hamilton out he would likely have had to watch from behind as Hamilton took victory at Spa. But by taking him out, Rosberg made his point to Mercedes and gained in his lead in the championship. It seems to have worked as well as now both drivers are under very strict scrutiny.

      1. tim clarke says:

        personally, i saw it as a “racing incident”, the kind of touch that happens and sometimes cuts a tire. anyone who suggests Nico
        rammed him i think is mistaken. more i think, that Nico decided he was simply done with moving over for Hamilton. it was a mistake of course, because when you’re behind, that’s what you have to do or you won’t finish many races. he should have given way and at the same time Lewis really shouldn’t be overly aggressive on corner 1 either and certainly should have had in mind the welfare of his teamate. mostly Nico’s fault, but Lewis i think is not entirely blameless. all in all, the biggest problem was Lewis going to the press with recriminations. he should have said “racing incident” to the press and then tore a strip out of Nico in private!

      2. Man On Wheels says:

        You seem to think that Rosberg did take him out on purpose, which is, quite frankly, bullsh*t.
        In all of these incidents someone loses its front wing, only every 4th or 5th time does someone get a flat spot from it. Now Rosberg was lapping faster than Hamilton at this time, he had a whole race in front of him, so no real hurry, and he was leading the championship. Rosberg is not that stupid to deliberately damage his front wing for a small chance to take out a rear tire. Why should he? This just doesn’t make sense.
        So he tried to keep the maximum momentum, and as you can see from the video coverage, just misjudged it by a few inches (keep in mind drivers can’t see their front wing).
        Now Hamilton had the line and he was rightfully using it, but also keep in mind that the drivers are entitled to “not crash into each other”. This is not a one way street. It means both drivers have to give their opponent enough room to survive: Both. So even though Hamilton had the line and had every right to drive as he did, he should have left some space for his team mate anyway, but he hasn’t. Hamilton just went all the way to the outside, in a typical: “I don’t care if you lose your wing”-maneuver, because that’s what usually happens. If he had taken the “don’t crash into each other” mantra seriously he would have stayed a little on the inside. Still it’s Rosberg’s fault for misjudging the space he had, but I see some responsibility from Hamilton too. He very much knew where Rosberg was and could have played it safe too.

        When Rosberg said he did it to prove a point, that means: He didn’t crash to make a point, but he didn’t give way easily to make a point, the point being: “You, Hamilton, can’t push me around forever, I will not back out completely every time.” So he kept it close, trying to force Hamilton to leave some space, which his dear team partner didn’t.
        Which is what you call a racing incident: Two drivers committed to not enough space.

        However, it was mainly Rosbergs fault: No real chance to overtake there, backed out, but kept it too close and was overoptimistic about the cooperation of his team mate. But he did not intentionally crash into Hamilton, who ever claims Rosberg wanted to take out Hamiltons tire, has no clue of racing whatsoever.

        I find that the management managed the situation awfully. First up: They got mad about their drivers in public, which is not professional. Second, when you see the video coverage, it is pretty clear that this was a tiny misjudgement of a few inches and they grossly overreacted to it. Any team boss would have been very disappointed by the fact the lost a pretty secure 1-2 win, but I doubt that any other team boss in the paddock today would have attacked their driver so hard for such a mistake. I would have understood such a situation, had ot been a Grosjean/Maldonado copy cat maneuver, but that? What drugs must one take to act like that? What an idiotic display of bad temper! Punishing Rosberg with a fine is retarded. I understand it is easier to just continue that way in a hopeless attempt to keep ones face, but to say “sorry guys, we were overreacting in the heat of the moment”, but still it is unnecessary.

      3. Thompson says:

        Sorry Tim Clarke and manofwheels but that argument makes no sense and is a contradiction.

        As the trailing driver it is YOUR responsibility to avoid contact. YOU are incontrol of the situation -YOUR decision decides if there is contact or not.

        In any walk of life that is the case.

        Unless Hamilton was reversing – then he would be the one behind.

        Think about the scenario in any other context. Hamilton drove completely within his rights – if Nico missed his braking point or had a failure in anyway then fare play.

        But to keep your foot in under those circumstances is a deliberate act to cause contact.

        To play it out you are walking down a road carrying a tray of eggs, some one behind you walking faster than you sees you clearly in front of them, what do you expect them to do?

        A) slow down till there is space to pass you.

        B) walks straight into the back of you knocking the tray out of your hands.

        How much would you blame yourself for such an ‘accident’.

        If you want it simpler than that – you are driving towards a corner at 150mph the safe speed for this corner is 75mph, around the outside of said corner there is a brick wall. Do you

        A) slow down to take the corner?

        B) keep your foot in knowing the wall is there and you will hit it at 75mph+

        Seriously guys is there something else really going on ref your thought process?

        It’s over a week now there is no defence for Rosbergs action – be in front or wait till convenient.

  13. PaulL says:

    Hanging him out to dry like this was too much for a minor infraction – even if the infraction had great effect.

    Recall, after all, how McLaren dealt with Lewis’ misstep at Melbourne 09 – they protected him and sacrificed Dave Ryan.

    1. Richard says:

      All a question of how naive you are and what you believe!

      1. 24601 says:

        You are in the driving seat on that one Richard

    2. Stephen Taylor says:

      You mean Melbourne 2009 . Lewis won in Melbourne in 08

    3. JF says:

      As I said above- I suspect they just had Nico take one for the team, admit fault (despite the 50-50 accident) and apologise to end all this nonsense. Some one had to do it. Think of it as a team order. Now they can just move forward.

      1. Man On Wheels says:

        Whatever, in Rosberg’s position I’d be pretty mad about the team bosses. It speaks volumes that he keeps himself from claiming the team is favoring Hamilton. Prost would have done that.

    4. Richard says:

      Actually No dave Ryan was a director and employees like Lewis would have to toe the company line when accompanied by a director, he would have been instructed so beforehand. The incident made Lewis out to be a liar, but that’s not his natural instinct as normally he plays fair. As a consequence of mis-direction Dave ryan was sacked. A regrettable incident nontheless.

  14. Kristiane Cyrus says:

    Originally when the incident first happened, as much as I didn’t like Hamilton to be on the receiving end of incidents again, the incident from cameras showed Rosberg was likely to be innocent. I very strongly believed it was just a pure racing incident and hope things would move on and be forgotten by next race or two.

    Nico’s admission also brings into question of Monaco: if he was able to fake an intentional ram like he did in Spa and got away with it from a visit to the steward’s office (check out one of the latest JA post), then he must have found a way to fake an intentional lock-up as well in Monaco which I still strongly suspect.

    Previously I wouldn’t mind which driver to take the WDC crown, I liked both drivers. However, after this incident I can’t help but change my views on Rosberg, and lean more on Hamilton to take it.

    After all odds Hamilton is still there not far off, so he can probably still make it.

    1. richard says:

      as i mentioned above…
      risking loosing control on purpose in no other place than monaco would be even worse… why risk a massive shunt, throw all the set up work out the window and even worse, risk damaging one of your five precious engines/gearboxes??? you see? It doesnt make sense

      1. Bearforce1 says:

        I love the two Richards posting.

        You guys are the best. You cause I like where your coming from. The other old Richard cause he makes me smile.

        Keep posting guys.

        Stay Nice.

      2. Bearforce1 says:

        Unless. There is only one Richard……

        Even cooler still.

      3. KRB says:

        @BearForce1, I’m the opposite of you … I think this richard is usually out to lunch, while Richard has some good points. Plus I think there might actually be two Richards (capital R) as well, to add to the fun!

        @richard, it wasn’t a total uncontrolled loss of control in Monaco. It was saw as the wheel, make the back end look twitchy, then snap it back just before the corner, and take to the escape road to bring out the yellows. Easy peasy for a driver of Nico’s intellect. He’s even said it himself … drivers at that stage know how to make deliberate spins look like honest mistakes.

        No engine or gearbox was ever in jeopardy with his mistake at Mirabeau. Up to that point in time, Rosberg was getting his behind handed to him for the season. Since then, Hamilton hasn’t had a trouble-free race weekend since.

    2. Peter says:

      Nico’s admission also brings into question of Monaco???

      the article above does not say that Nico crashed into Lewis on purpsose – it just says that he accepted that it was his fault – still a racing incident

      1. James Allen says:

        I don’t believe he crashed into him on purpose.

      2. Richard says:

        I don’t think it was an ordinary racing incident, he was inflamed, and in the moment I think he gave Lewis a jab with his spoiler, and let’s face it it has proven to be worthwhile, and he has come out the winner. Beautifully calculated, devious, underhand, and dangerous. Only the naive or the partisan think differently.

      3. Quercus says:

        Few people have said that ROS deliberately crashed into HAM. However ROS did put the front wing of his car where it would collide with HAM’s rear wheels and has now accepted he was at fault, having preciously admitted this was ‘to make a point’. So I think we’re into semantics here.

      4. aveli says:

        but how could he possibly prove a point by accident?

      5. Bearforce1 says:

        OMG Richard,

        You just called James Allen either “naive or the partisan”

        I’ll forgive you for giving us the following which I may borrow in future ” Beautifully calculated, devious, underhand, and dangerous.”

      6. Freeman says:

        Ok if it was not a deliberate action, how then was he making a point? There is a departure from logic and reality in this statement. Rosberg placed his car on purpose on the racing line in a blind spot knowing that if Hamilton took the racing line (and why wouldn’t he?) there would be contact. In other words he PLANNED the contact.

        The instant, candid reaction from the team was furry that the direct order NOT to crash into each other was deliberately ignored and they clearly saw Rosberg as the perpetrator. Today he admits that and says sorry it was my fault.

        How much clearer can this be? Deliberate planned action was taken and he got precisely the results he wanted. His lead in the championship is extended and if the situation in Hungary is repeated in any of the races left in the season Hamilton will be made to pull over as instructed.

        Bernie Eccclestone was correct when he said that Rosberg was clever. Here he has manipulated the team into strictly enforcing orders from now on, gained a commanding lead in the championship and fooled the FIA, (and I am afraid to say you too James) getting no sanction what-so-ever along the way.

        Rosberg may win the championship through this, but it is not the kind of win most will applaud and respect. Sad to see F1 being fought like this.

      7. Richard says:

        Aveli: You need to think a bit more deeply about it rather just superficially. What Rosberg was trying to do was demonstrate by contact that Hamilton could no longer take the racing ( which he was perfect correct in doing so) line and therefore stop beating him in the that way. Hamilton is brilliant at defensive driving, probably only rivalled by Alonso who is also highly skilled. Rosberg wanted to give Hamilton second thoughts about wheel to wheel racing, but it has backfired.

      8. DC says:

        Spot on – it’s amusing how many people go on about how useless Rosberg is in wheel to wheel racing, overtaking etc, but have simultaneously convinced themselves that he is also so incredible that he can (at 100mph) precisely puncture a tyre with his front wing.

      9. bmg says:

        Normally I’d agree that he did not do it on purpose. But if you look at all the set back’s that Hamilton has had then you start to loose confidence in the teams commitment to to the success of Hamiltons side of the garage.

      10. Craig D says:

        All you guys on the deliberate contact side have taken the “to prove a point” line to refer to the contact, instead of what was far more likely meant in that it was the move and to hold his ground that was to prove a point – i.e. that Rosberg wasn’t going to be bullied anymore in a dog fight. Rosberg didn’t intend to crash into Hamilton, he was trying to force Hamilton to yield from the racing line and give him space. What happened after with the contact was just a messy incident.

      11. aveli says:

        @richard, are you suggesting that the point rosberg wanted to prove is that he has to apologise to his team, his teammate and all f1 fans on purpose? I hope he makes it to the podium in monza. i like that walk of his.

    3. EA says:

      Nico never admitted crashing on purpose. He’s apologized for his part in a mistake which cost the team valuable points. This in absolutely no way means he has admitted to crashing into Lewis on purpose.

  15. Riccardo Consulini says:

    I think Red Bull is closing in. Mercedes should prioritize the driver already in the lead (Rosberg).
    Hamilton can try again next year

    1. Andy says:

      Ha! You wish!

    2. Quercus says:

      If HAM gets his fair share of luck in the remaining races he’s in with a good shout.

      And remember the last race double points? If it turns out to be a game-changer it will either be a great victory for fairness or a real disaster for F1. This is Bernie’s version of playing God.

      1. Richard says:

        Yes or we need Rosberg to have some bad luck to level the playing field.

      2. Quercus says:

        I wouldn’t wish bad luck on anyone, Richard. Just Lewis receiving his fair share of good luck will be all he needs to take the WDC.

      3. Rockman says:

        I think after all this disaster and unnecessary drama happening in the Merc garage.

        Even God himself will prefer Ricciardo to win.

      4. Michael Powell says:

        You two are clutching at straws. It’s very unlikely that the last few races will be much different from the previous set with both drivers sharing poles, wins and malfunctions of machinery.

        Both will stay well clear of each other, and Lewis especially so. Every racing incident that he comes out badly from will be a step further from the championship, and another feather in the cap for Nico.

        This is the story of the hare and the tortoise. The hare too often stops at the side of the road while the tortoise keeps going. To keep winning you have to keep going.

      5. Richard says:

        Quercus: I agree Lewis receiving his fair share of good luck would be great, but as Rosberg is also a fast driver it may take some bad luck for Rosberg to level the playing field a bit to enable him to do that in view of how many races are left. In fact I think there is more lap differential between Lewis and Nico than this car is able to demonstrate because the brakes still lack some feel, better than last year yes, but as good brakes as he had at McLaren no.

  16. TimW says:

    Well hopefully that’s the end of that, I’m glad Nico has apologised and accepted that the Spa crash was his fault. I can’t imagine what the punishment will be, surely a fine won’t make any difference to the hardly skint Rosberg, maybe some kind of forfeit?! Hopefully there will be clean racing from now on, let the best man win.
    P.S FAO all the hamilton bashers who have spent the last few days desperatley trying to claim that Lewis was to blame for the crash, HA!

    1. stoic little says:

      I think a reasonable punishment for Rosberg would be that Lewis would have first call when to pit on the next race regardless of who is ahead.

      1. Bearforce1 says:

        I think the punishment for Nico should be that Lewis now gets to be the one to wear a yellow helmet if he wants and that Nico can’t wear a yellow helmet.

      2. Random 79 says:

        Lol Bear :)

    2. superseven says:

      Don’t let him have access to Lewis’ car setup details.

      1. Agreed – it would be interesting if they didn’t share data, though I doubt Mercedez would stop the sharing as the objective of sharing one assmes is to optimise the set up of both cars through. Shame though.

      2. TimW says:

        I doubt they will do anything that might harm their potential finishing position, really can’t imagine what it could be though. Maybe they will make him wear a silly hat in the Monza paddock!

    3. JF says:

      His punishment was likely to take one for the team and accept the blame even though the fault was not entirely his.

      1. TimW says:

        Groan! That ship has sailed!

    4. James Clayton says:

      Not focusing on the punishment so much, but more the “ensuring it won’t happen again” thing…

      I wonder if Mercedes will now split the drivers over 1/2 stop, 2/3 stop strategies where it’s marginal – giving the driver who qualified higher first choice.

      That way they can still be seen to be “allowing their drivers to race”, while also being able to freely issue team orders as the cars will clearly be on different strategies…

      1. TimW says:

        It’s going to get really complicated if they start doing that kind of thing, I think the only thing they can do is run the optimum strategy for both cars and hope the drivers behave themselves.

  17. AuraF1 says:

    It’s the nature of F1 – the team and drivers are inseparable – they can’t really punish the driver without punishing the team. Just like FIA determined penalties – you can’t really say ‘just punish the pit crew who let the tyre fly off’ or ‘just remove the drivers points but keep the hard working teams’.

    Best thing for Lewis is just to keep trying and try to find comfort in the fact that the media is mostly sympathetic to him entirely.

    1. Gaz Boy says:

      This is three consecutive race weekends where Lewis has been badly compromised by his own team! Niggly reliability issues, although irritating, are part of motor sport, but I don’t think the same applies to being biffed out of the lead of a race by, of all people, your own team-mate!

  18. Andy James says:

    With reference to Mercedes’ tweets, if it was me calling the shots then of course I wouldn’t suspend the driver whilst there are still crucial championship points at stake. As a team you need to maximise your points scoring ability in every race, and so substituting one driver and placing a reserve in the car jeopardises this.

    If, however, you get to a point before the season ends where the constructor’s title is sealed, THEN you suspend your driver for one race…

    1. Brian Bell says:

      They could manage it from now. Let them race…if they are in clear 1-2 position, leave Rosberg up on the jacks for a ‘stuck wheel nut’. If they aren’t clear 1-2, let them maximise team points. After 3 races the gain has been negated and let them go for it again.

      But this won’t happen. It is up to Hamilton now. First step is sandbagging until Q3. Just run FP on heavy fuel. The car is good enough to allow him to do this. He is good enough. See if Rosberg is good enough without his driving instructor…..Not much the team can do about it without looking even more daft. Would be interesting to see the outcome.

      goferet….oh master of all things statistical ;) I’m sure you can give us a comparison of dry FP1 times v’s quali times for the year. I wonder who improves most?

  19. Shri says:

    - Nico forced to make a statement acknowledging what he did, is a form of punishment. We will never know what other internal measures taken against Nico.
    - 2nd incident triggered by Nico could become untolerable within the team.
    - Suspension essentially means you lose confidence in the driver. The brand of Merc and the sponsors name is tainted.
    - I feel going forward the fight between the drivers will be managed carefully.

  20. Neil Jenney says:

    I think Mercedes going to social media for opinions and guidance speaks to the viewpoint that the management is weak. Strong leadership doesn’t need to be popular with the masses. It needs to be based on good decision making, and the individuals being affected having enough respect for those making the decisions to act accordingly.

    1. JAWA hs-f1 says:

      @Neil Jenney.

      Exactly my thoughts.

  21. Rob G says:

    My guess is that Nico’s penalty is a financial one that the fans and writers will never know about. Take the pro rata amount he would make for a race weekend away which in my understanding could be over Half €1 million for him?

  22. Jock Ulah says:

    Oh, good!

    The ‘brat-spat’ is over . . .
    Until the next race . . .

    May the farce be with us ‘till season-end.

  23. Keith says:

    Lewis predicted Nico would get a rap on the knuckles – looks like he was right. Nico is laughing all the way to the points bank.

    Shame for a sporting challenge.

    If Nico does win the WDC this year -his winning it – in combination of Monaco, Spa – Canada (chicane cutting) is tainted. He would be an undeserving champ. This is before we mention Lewis misfortunes

    1. Richard says:

      Now it seems likely that he will win, but never say die. If that proves to be the case he will be very unpopular, and I think more boos are highly likely. Many take a dim view of the booing as unsporting but you can’t kid the fans, they’re not stupid, and it’s their way of demonstrating what they feel against an unworthy driver. Exactly the same as with Vettel, and if you get up to dirty tricks then you reap the reward. Anyway winning a championship in an underhand way is not really winning at all, it is cheating.

      1. JF says:

        No one is cheating, they are racing, sometimes accidents happen. Otherwise they are just having a parade.

      2. Man On Wheels says:

        Yes, some Fans are stupid. Just read the forums on some of the major motorsports websites, there’s a lot of stupidity to be found.

      3. Michael Powell says:

        Winning is winning,

    2. JF says:

      Well, it was a minor incident, not even not worthy to the stewards. A big punishment is hardly required.

  24. Steve JR says:

    If Nico narrowly wins the WDC from Lewis having admitted this, then I wonder if it will cast his championship in doubt by the audience who are aware of it.

    1. Uchiha says:

      Not at all for me..

    2. Brent says:

      He made an “error in judgement” nothing more.

    3. Quercus says:

      I can’t see how it won’t. I think ‘tainted’ is the word you want.

  25. Jason says:

    Sorry, I had to laugh at the word discipline. What bloody discipline? Fine him perhaps? He won’t care he has millions spare. They won’t slow him down in a race or give him a bad car. They can’t dock their own points. The drivers run that team.

    You can look at this season in two ways. Nico parked it at Monaco, cut the corner at Canada on purpose or walloped Lewis in Belgium deliberately.

    Or maybe he just cannot handle pressure when driving, lacks special awareness and basically bottles it.

    It has not been forgotten both in Bahrain and Spain when Nico had much better tires he could not pass Lewis. Were the roles reversed, Lewis would go sailing past.

    With that said, Lewis is hardly squeaky clean. And neither are Mercedes. Lewis has cost himself numerous positions in qualifying this year. He also could not avoid contact in Germany with other cars. Mercedes should have seen in Hungary that Lewis has tons of soft tires and could have simply avoided the team mate issue by having Lewis on those soft tires the entire race. A race Lewis would thus have won.

    This won’t be the last time both drivers cry and tell tales to the media.

  26. upcod says:

    What about no more data sharing until the end of the season. That could be an alternative great sanction to putting the reserve driver in Nico seat. As i’m sure Nico would be most affected by no more data sharing. He would no more be able to close the 3 to 6 tenths gap he use to close by analysing Lewis data on friday nights.

    1. James Allen says:

      That holds the team back in development terms. They can’t do anything detrimental to the team. it has to be an individual sanction which bites

      1. upcod says:

        That’s right! But constructor championship is acquired. If the are not going to give Nico a sanction that will help Lewis recover from his loss. They could at least let them race pure and simple with each of them keeping their finding on track for themselves.

      2. Jason says:

        James, I’d love to know your feeling about this sanction mate or what it could even be. A fine does nothing to a millionaire. It is akin to me being caught speeding and giving me a 50 pence fine. I wouldn’t care. It is only when the fine starts to become a double digit percentage of your weekly income that you think whoa. So have Mercesdes fined him 1 million quid? Nope it will be about 50k max if that and it takes him all of half a dozen laps if that to make that cash back.

      3. James Allen says:

        Hopefully it will emerge, but I’d guess its financial

        Not sure what else they can do except give Hamilton the final run in quali for two consecutive races, instead of alternating etc

        But you don’t want to handicap one driver in case the other has reliability issue (cf Ham fire in Hungary qualifying) then you have shot yourself in the foot

      4. Horoldo says:

        Upcod, there will be lots of carry over from this years car to next years car.
        James is right, it will hurt development.

      5. Richard says:

        I’m not sure it does hold the team back in terms of development providing the team and not the drivers have access to both sides. It might of course hold one driver back and reduce the point score which the team would not want. I do accept though it has generally been the way in recent years.

    2. PWRocketS says:

      How about giving HAM the lead driver pitstop treatment at the double point race? He will still have to fight for the win but that puts some mega pressure on ROS (assuming Britney still leads the Championship at the season finale).

      I think that me will really teach ROS a lesson.

    3. upcod says:

      I understand James’s and Horoldo’s point on development. But Hamilton isn’t picking nothing from Rosberg. He is not the one that study data overnight to learn how to make the tire last longer while still being fast (it was Rosberg in Malaysia), he is not the one that pick up how to use less fuel (still Rosberg in Germany). Each GP this season Rosberg is nowhere in practice 2 and next day in practice 3 he close all the gap. So it’s fare to let them keep their data mainly as Rosberg is willing to play it dirty, and Hamilton is the one that is suffering mechanical failure and immature driving from his team mate. So at the end of the season the car would still be faster (at least Hamilton’s one) and the could then carry the finding to the next season. I don’t even think it makes sense as they are fighting for the championship to share data. At Mc Laren in 2007 the stopped data sharing mid-season, what perfectly make sense. How could you fight if you are going to disclose all your trick to your opponent?

  27. Ben G says:

    So all those who said Nico wasn’t to blame…?

  28. Bob in NY says:

    This whole thing is ridiculous! That was a simple racing incident, the type of thing that happens at every race, year after year after year. This has been blown out of all portion, mainly by Mercedes management. They are supposedly allowed to race but can’t touch. Good luck with that! The reality is that two good drivers, in equal cars, fighting for the championship are going to go at it and there will be incidents. And thank God for that! This season is interesting only because of the inter-team competition otherwise it would be another blowout by one driver.

    So what are they going to do now? No passing, no attacking, no defending because to do so might cause an incident!

    The “touch” could have just as easily ruined Rosberg’s race but this time it punctured the other drivers tire which we see from time to time. This type of contact is literally one of the most common things we see in F1. Drivers are constantly losing wing end plates and sometimes the contact causes a puncture.

    Drop the whole thing!!! Nobody has more to lose than the drivers in this whole thing so they can’t afford to be too reckless. And MB has the both championships locked up in all likelihood, so let Rosberg and Hamilton have at it!!!

    1. JF says:

      Well said: Mercs press release was just face saving PR. Rosberg did them a favour, and said “Ok its my fault” just to close the door on all the nonsense.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        so far i have restrained from comment as all the hamilton supporters have hogged the rhetoric. my perspective hasn’t changed one iota. this incident was, as has been officially ruled on, simply a racing incident. the faux indignation put forward is all calculated.

        if ever there was a stage managed PR plan this latest addendum proves it. after the explosive comments levelled by mercedes management there was no way that this incident could’ve had any other conclusion. rosberg has been made the scapegoat. what is interesting is to speculate on where they go from here. i very much doubt that things will change very much but what it might do is make hamilton just consider the way in which conducts himself on track.

        there have been multitudinous exhortations re hamilton’s comments post race. one would hope that lauda and wolff also learn not to pre judge ‘publicly’ before what the drivers have to say. the stewards called it right and mercedes should have left it there and taken whatever action they thought was appropriate behind closed doors. at the moment they just look silly.

    2. Gaz Boy says:

      I’m not sure. I think Lewis has a right to feel aggrieved; to have a bit of wheel banging with other drivers is all part of the game, but not with your own team-mate! I think Rosberg Junior could have used a bit of common sense, but there you go……………….

      1. Richard says:

        Certainly not to be taken out by your team mate!

      2. Brent says:

        They are either allowed to race or they are not, there is no half measure. If they are allowed to race then wheels will touch, just as they do when Hamilton is racing for position. He gave us a real wheel banging, wing breaking exhibition in Hungary.

        IF I were driving Rosberg’s car Hamilton would have hit me too. It was time Rosberg made a stand. It was common sense for Rosberg not to let Hamilton run him off the road…again..

    3. Mike says:

      “The “touch” could have just as easily ruined Rosberg’s race but this time it punctured the other drivers tire which we see from time to time”

      Rosberg didn’t care about consequences. He was making a point, remember. Being already ahead on points he calculated it was a gamble worth taking.

      1. Richard says:

        The probability was exactly as it happened! – A broken spoiler and punctured tyre.

      2. Bob in NY says:

        I am not sure Rosberg was making a point; I suspect he was really trying to pass. He was all over Hamilton at the time and in the heat of the moment he made an overly aggressive and ill-timed attempt. The comment about making a point seems to be a post hoc explanation.

        In any case, this incident has been blown out of all portion in my opinion. If the championship stays close we are likely to see some real fireworks between the Merc drivers. They seem to be very equally matched and their battles are likely to be very intense for that reason alone. Any overtaking between these two is going to be a super high stakes, high risk affair! Anyone who thinks the trailing driver is going to just sit back and be cautious doesn’t understand F1. I can’t wait to see what happens,!!

      3. Man on Wheels says:

        “Being already ahead on points he calculated it was a gamble worth taking.”

        It would be a gamble worth taking if you were slower, your team mate was coming out of the pits for his last stint on cold tyres while you were storming towards him with hot ones that are a few laps older. It would also be different if you had just a few corners to go and this was your last opportunity to overtake. But then you would not make such a half hearted attempt and just risk losing your front wing – you would make sure he won’t get away. For example you’d go for the inside, brake a fraction too late and too hard to lock up and take both of you out or you would drove him off the road.
        But this situation was entirely different.
        Rosberg was ahead on points, faster at the moment, having a whole race distance to make a pass and just 2 laps until DRS was available – this is a very good position to be in that no one would risk deliberately, unless he was very stupid. Rosberg is rather the intelligent kind of guy.

        In a situation like that, this gamble is not worth taking, as it is very likely you throw away your perfect chance to beat your team mate and instead ruin your race entirely and hand him the win, just for a very faint chance of beating him by a larger margin.
        In a situation like that it would be a disgracefully stupid move.
        If you want to take out your team mate on the first lap, you do the Senna-Prost-move, you don’t just try to rub your wing on him – no one is that daft.

    4. unF1nnished business says:

      Totally agree.

  29. goob says:

    If Merc could stop sabotaging Hamilton’s car, it would be enough punishment for Rosberg…

    1. RodgerT says:


    2. 24601 says:

      Oh dear!!!!

  30. EA says:

    Nico only owes an apology to the team. He made an error in judgemrent that cost the team. He has absolutely no obligations to apologize on the podium, to the media, etc.

    Whoever makes this sort of errors in judgement in the future will get real punishment from the team.

    Other than that, it was a racing incident.

    A race ban for Nico? hahahahhahaha the nerve on some people. hahahahahaha

    1. Richard says:

      Clearly the fans thought otherwise, but in fact he also owed Hmailton an apology for ruining his race.

      1. Man On Wheels says:

        No need to be sorry towards Hamilton. He could have played it safe too and kept it a bit more on the inside. He very much knew where Rosberg was and took his line regardless.

        Sure, he had every right to take that line, but doing something, just because you have the right to do so, is not always the best idea. Try to cross a road in India ignoring the cars around you – you might not have a chance to win the lawsuit for being run over by someone who jumped the red lights, but at least you were right and it was his fault!

    2. Elie says:

      When you crash into anyone on track accidentally or otherwise you deal with as soon as the race is finished. If you dont then your guilty of something.. If you dont do it for a week then your conciensce is guilty of many things…

  31. Shoki Kaneda says:

    A steaming pile! Rosberg won every aspect of this affair as he did in Monaco. Rosberg would gladly have paid two million euro for those twenty-nine points. “Suitable disciplinary action” is clearly nothing since they were unwilling announce it.

    1. JM says:

      Firstly I think we’re all getting a bit obsessed with this – I certainly am – I actually read every twitter comment on merc site yesterday (and didnt agree with the sentiment of their conclusions but ….I think its all getting very unhealthy – so whatever anger we’re all feeling – in my case towards NR and Toto gives us an insight into how NR was feeling when he was psyching himself up for Spa.

      Regarding how much he would pay for a 29 point lead – I think he would have paid every penny he owns – and even more -probably around 30m euro to get his 29 point lead, not a 4 point lead (assuming it was 1:2 with Hamilton winning and NR second) from Spa,

      I think in we was willing to sell out his clean image – hence everything he owned and I do believe he demonstrated to the world that he is unprincipled, unsporting and underhand (thats UUU not Booo) – that was cathartic for me (and at that point he didn’t care if that action gave credence to those who think he did the same in Monaco and Canada).

      It shows how desperate he really was but also how dangerously calculating – he is one really deep thinker in 7 languages . So deep and calculating its dangerous.

      I honestly think he’s looked at every circuit and worked out where and how you can cause maximum chaos.

      Now because I recognize that I’m becoming obsessive (probably like a lot of people on this site, crashnet, autosport, planetf1 and twitter) I know that all this is stupid and we ll need to get on with our lives- well that’s what my wife said.

      I hope its now going to be fair and they have equal reliability because then I really do believe LH will win. Over and out.

  32. Ray C Boy says:

    This is just getting ridiculous…namby pamby face-saving feel-good rubbish.

    1. James Allen says:

      Say what you really feel, please!

      1. Ray C Boy says:

        Too much?

        I just think this racing incident has been flogged to death.
        It really is no more than Nico screwed up, an over zealous move, way too early in the race.

  33. Brace says:

    This is just showing how weak the leadership of this team is. That they had to hang Nico out this way in order to appease media that was sent into frenzy by their own driver (Lewis) in the first place.
    Team can’t distinguish between good PR and good deeds.
    I’ve never really expected more from Toto, the guy who is too concerned by his own PR, since he pretty much lucked into being the principal of the top team.
    I really don’t see him having any kind of a clue how to build on from where Ross left.

    In my opinion, firstly Toto and Lauda should have kept their mouths shut during the GP. Then they should have reminded Lewis that you don’t wash dirty laundry in the public, and finally, should have kept everything inside after this internal discussion.

    I can’t see no other point in announcing all this to the media, besides pleasing the media and getting some good PR. But the real team shouldn’t prioritize that over the integrity and that mantra that you win like a team and you lose like a team.

    1. Dutch johhny says:

      Best post on this subject by far.

      1. 24601 says:

        Agree with you 100%

    2. Gaz Boy says:

      Perhaps Merc should employ some chap called Ross to keep a tight ship in the team………….

    3. luqa says:


    4. PWRocketS says:

      Better yet they should publish transcripts so we can read what was said exactly to who after Hungary and Spa. This will show how guilty ROS was. Maybe Bernie can charge us $$ so we can watch it live :p

      That will show who is “basically” twisting the facts to the media.

      Funny some websites chose to not publish HAM’s official response to ROS’ apology, and some do. I don’t see the “b” word there.

    5. kenneth chapman says:

      a point that i have also made. well said

    6. KC says:

      Best post in this thread!

    7. C63 says:

      I’ve never really expected more from Toto … since he pretty much lucked into being the principal of the top team……

      Seriously? How do you imagine Team Principals are selected? People often talk about how hard it is to get into F1 with there only being 22 odd seats available at any one time. Well there are only half the TP roles available.
      Frank Williams was happy to give Toto the job – I can’t imagine him handing the job over without very careful consideration. Perhaps the main board at Mercedes held a raffle with the 1st Prize as TP or maybe they got tired of looking and just said ‘oh he’ll do, lets give him the job’! Of course they didn’t – they would have considered the matter very carefully. Something you might consider trying in the future ;-)

      1. Elie says:

        On top of that dont you have to buy a couple of million shares in the team to be “executive director” Sorry but my piggy bank dont have that sort of coin in it..and I would hazard a guess the Daimler Board would not that risk unless someone was that heavily “invested” in the team

    8. Man on Wheels says:


  34. Corrupted Mind says:

    I think people are over analysing this incident and the subsequent outcome a little bit. Was it a racing incident? Yes – but only if you are in two different teams. If however, you are in the same team the golden rule is that you don’t crash into your team mate full stop. Lauda inevitably takes the drivers view sees the accident as completely avoidable and blamed Nico. Nothing controversial here. Woolf takes the corporate view and concludes that for whatever reason Nico broke the golden rule. Again nothing controversial.

    Hamilton’s strategy all along has been to have the championship decided on the track because he thinks he is faster than Nico on the track. This was his problem in Monaco and Hungary – his “mistaken” belief that events off the track intentional or otherwise had compromised him (and you probably could forgive him for feeling a bit paranoid as it seemed he’d inherited Webber’s “jinxed” car considering all the reliability issues he’s had). Nico’s strategy all along has been to capitalise on Hamilton’s issues until such stage as the team designates him the “number 1 driver”. The problem for him was the British GP retirement which made his attritional strategy fall to pieces which meant he had to beat Lewis on track which as we all saw at Coombe he’s not very good at.

    Mercedes hasn’t had to do much to sort this out. I expect the agreement is clarity about what happens off track and a reminder about the golden rule (just in case Rosberg was having any ideas about helping Hamilton’s attrition so he runs out of races). This will be enough as Hamilton continues to feel he is faster than Nico on track.

    *As a Ferrari fan (i.e. neutral) lots of ppl have been stupidly saying that Nico and Hamilton are somehow equally matched. Before opening your mouths take a peek at their racing records (a quick look at wikipedia will suffice) Hamilton is a class above Nico (race wins, poles, fastest laps – any measure you like). In fact for the amnesiacs Mercedes went after Hamilton so that they could build a championship winning car. He is the better driver. If I had to take a punt, I would guess they would rather lose Nico than him. That’s not to say that Nico can’t win the championship – he’s got a phenomenally good car – but that if its a straight on track shootout 9 times out of 10 Hamilton would beat him.

    1. RodgerT says:

      For most part I agree with you. Hamilton is the better driver, but only just.

      The problem is that the perception, especially among his biggest fans, is that Hamilton is a much better driver, and Lewis believes it. On his day he is, but he is also prone to brain-fades that bring his overall ability as a complete driver down to a level just above Rosberg. But by buying into the hype when he’s down to a driver who he believes isn’t up to his level he’ll push too hard to prove his worth instead of playing the long game and simply take what he’s being given that particular day.

      Nico for his part after having gained an advantage through reliability was wise to continue to ride it and let Lewis bring himself down by pressing the issue at the wrong times. Consistancy is what will bring the title to him as long as he can keep his nose clean the rest of the way.

    2. Dutch johhny says:

      Does help though when you start your f1 career in a mclaren wouldn’t you agree? Like rodger says a better driver but just. I think Hamilton isnt as good as most expected, he isnt in the same league as Prost,Senna,Clark,Schumacher and fangio.

      1. C63 says:

        Dutch johhny
        Does help though when you start your f1 career in a mclaren …

        I always smile when I see this sort of comment. Why do you think Ron Dennis selected Hamilton? He could, at that time, have had his pick of any driver on the grid – any driver. Yet he, a man who has been at the sharp end of F1 for nearly 50 years, chose Hamilton.
        I expect that you know more about drivers and racing than he does – ha ha ha !

      2. DH says:

        or Alonso, Hunt, Hill, Scheckter, Mansell, Lauda. Andretti, Jones, Piquet, Rossberg K, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, Button, Raikkonen……………

      3. Drgraham lewis says:

        You mean the Mclaren that has not won a constructors championship in years?

        And years?
        And years?

        Not even when LH, Alonso or JB were racing it?

        And that 09 car?

        I love comments like this – they crack me up…

      4. goob says:

        Yes – look what a wonderful job Button is doing at McLaren after all these years…

        McLaren fell apart after Hamilton left.

  35. JohnBt says:

    [The brand of Merc and the sponsors name is tainted.]

    You’d be surprised those who buy Mercedes don’t even bother about motorsports at all.
    Anyway it’s been blown way out of proportion unless a very serious incident related to some form of death then Merc will be in hot soup.

  36. Peter Jones says:

    James, your thoughts please…
    to me this is reminiscent of Schumacher/Villenue at Jerez. Do you agree or disagree and why?



    1. James Allen says:

      Not at all, that was a deliberate act to take another competitor out of a race to maintain the points lead over him and clinch the title at the final round.

      This was a clumsy accident, inspired by the desire to show Hamilton that he wasn’t going to back off every time.

      1. EA says:

        Simply put. (Ie James is totally correct)

      2. Gaz Boy says:

        James analysis is spot on. When it comes to Rosberg Junior’s overtaking ability, three words are sufficient:
        Ambitious, but rubbish.

      3. Thompson says:

        That statement James equates to the same thing!

        How can one not be aware of the implications of such an act considering their relative positions in the WDC at this time.

        The video evidence is the smoking gun, what else could he do or say when presented with it?

        The possibility of a 4point gap versus an 11point gap at least.

        In your piece James you do not address the bigger picture I noticed i.e the FiA non investigation into what was an obvious deliberate act – unlike Monaco this time they have verbal conformation as well as video evidence.

        In any other language bar F1 it seems, this WAS cheating to gain an obvious advantage.

        I understand your position but how are anyone looking for a fair competitive competition suppose to view this?

      4. James Allen says:

        They don’t have verbal confirmation or anything of the sort. Rosberg as admitted an error of judgement. He never said he did it on purpose, Wolff has confirmed that.

      5. luqa says:

        Absolutely correct James..

      6. Brace says:

        Exactly. As simple as that.

      7. Waz says:

        Clumsy driving should be penalised. The fact that mecedez have disciplined there own driver and the stewards did nothing doesn’t bode well. Poor stewarding again.

      8. PWRocketS says:

        Thanks James!

      9. Thompson says:

        The posted quote by Wolfe ‘he did it to prove a point’

        If I tripped you over and said I did it to prove a point – would you then accept an apology off me a few days later and believe it was not a deliberate act?

        Worse if someone had filmed it and caught me turning my boot in just as you stepped past me!

        Sorry James I’m not trying to create an issue with you but Rosberg has the car and only needs to finish in the top 2 till the end of the season with this 29point lead to be WDC 2014.

        Maybe we are blowing it out of proportion but what I have witnessed and the dialog…..

        Boggles the mind – this equates to 97, 94 but will only be seen for what it is in time…..i.e you all know what.

        And considering the relative position of the contenders not even 10secs worth of investigation?
        My 11yr old son made an interesting conspiracy up…. Suggesting this was planned by the powers that be (FIA) for this or something similar to happen in the last few races, it would not be investigated regardless to ensure Rosbergs WDC…

        He actually said you could see it coming after the brakes and the fire

        He’s becoming a fan……

      10. David says:

        You really believe Rosberg has now been clumsy twice this season, precisely when it happened to damage the chances of his closest rival? Clumsy driving at Monaco that ensured he got pole (no apology immediately after: what does that tell you?) and clumsy driving at Spa that knicked his rivals tyre (again no apology, for a whole week this team). Another bit of clumsy driving: Canada, went to fast into a corner, cut the chicane, and ensured a gap opened up again to Hamilton who was fast closing him.

        Clumsy, clumsy, clumsy. Maybe, But I doubt it. More likely Rosberg thinks – rightly – this is the only way he will actually beat Hamilton over the season.

      11. Mike says:

        I would agree with you if I hadn’t seen what Rosberg did at Monaco. In my opinion, and after viewing all the video’s of the incident, he messed up the approach to the corner, then deliberately took the escape road to deny Hamilton a pole position. His odd actions and body language after getting out of the car only strengthen my conviction. I lost all respect and credibility, for Rosberg after Monaco.

        Despite all the money involved, F1 is still just a sport, Anyone [mod] in sport should be brought to account. I can’t prove any of this of course, but I still should be allowed to voice an opinion, I have followed F1 since 1953 when my Father was able to get nearly all of the driver’s autographs on the Silverstone race programme, since, much to my regret lost. Moss and Fangio were my Hero’s, drivers to be looked up to for their sportsmanship. To see this performance at Mercedes is shameful. As you said above James, “Say what you really feel, please!”

      12. Craig D says:


      13. Craig D says:

        @Thompson, show me the evidence where the “prove a point” line directly refers to the contact itself. That’s just what you’ve assumed. And you can’t say, “Well, what else could it refer to?” Think about. You also quoted Wolff for evidence but he has said “It wasn’t deliberate contact. That’s nonsense.”

        Everyone has their right to their view but you (and others) appear to allow the fact of being a Hamilton fan to distort judgement on this. And I’m pretty confident that it had been the other way around, it’s likely your opinion on the matter would do a total u-turn! Whereas the ones that aren’t biased will always have the same point of view.

        James Allen’s and others (including Murray Walker) assessment on this is logical and non-emotive. Whenever I read the the other arguments, calling Rosberg a [mod] and that he needs a race ban, etc, you can clearly see how emotive the discussions are. In other words, they’re twisting people’s quotes to suit their ideas, and deciding on what another person/driver is thinking for them!

        I know it’s pointless to convince others of this though but it’s fun anyway – that’s what debates are about!

      14. Quercus says:


        Well said. I think all we old timers who remember the racing before 1970 deeply regret the frequent lack of sportsmanship today. Of course in those days a driver who decided to ‘make a point’ would have likely ended up killing himself, someone else, or both. So it didn’t happen. How that level of sportsmanship could be brought back today is a good question.

      15. Thompson says:

        @Craig D

        What else would ‘I did it to prove a point’ mean?

        Pls clarify. In any walk of life what would such a statement mean to you given similar circumstances?

        Has I have said else where at each event when Rosberg feels he has been bullied he has been behind Hamilton, BEHIND HIM.

        Going has far back as Malaysia 13 he could not get his passes to stick.

        Hamilton, Alonso we see have allowed drivers to pass them then cut back, get in the tow and taken back the position – that’s how you race.

        When Hamilton and DannyR took Verne and Alonso respectively in hungry around the outside you could see how they set up the move, positioned their cars so they would carry enough speed to complete the over take.

        Again Rosberg was too late into the corner on the last lap!

        The video shows Rosbergs got more than enough space to take the corner without leaving track limits – no matter what Hamilton did rosberg was going to make contact.

        Murray walker bless him commented on HIll/Schumacher 94 and did not have the fortitude to call schumacher out that day – called it a racing incident. Went so far Has to say he did not believe he would do such a thing deliberately

        Notice Shectkers hesitents when talking through the accident after acknowledgeing the other moves were good with Ted. Murray’s Conclusion ‘hindsight is a wonderfull thing’ – everyone who was there called it right!

        You cannot defend the indefensible.

        And It’s really nothing to do with being a Hamilton fan – honestly if the tables were turned I would not be supporting Hamilton and would not be a ‘fan’ if this was how he raced.

        I genuinely believe in fair play.

        The ban for me is the only punishment that will make such moves unacceptable. Some talk of weak management – if you want to make it clear that this is ‘unacceptable’ one race ban.

        Either be in front or wait until you can realistically pass. That’s all I’m saying why ruin what is a great season with dubious acts

        They have a brake peddle for a reason.

      16. KJ says:

        All those who are saying that that was a piece of clumsy driving by NR need not only to take the opinion of James Allen and Murray Walker, They also need to read what experienced and non-emotive drivers like Jenson Button, David Coulthard and Mark Webber have said about this incident (BBC F1). These people know a thing or two about driving a F1 car and know what they are talking about. For me their opinion carry more weight than journalists or armchair experts.

      17. Craig D says:

        Reply from latest points: I’ve never defended the driving but you guys still seem to believe he intended to take Hamilton out. The “prove a point” was to try and make the ill-judged move stick. He didn’t want to back out. Call it red mist. It’s absurd if you really think his words are about the contact itself. You actually think he effectively said to the team, “Yeah I rammed him to prove a point – what you gonna do about it?”?!

        It was bad driving. Bad etiquette to do something so risky, which you wouldn’t get in the “olden days,” I’m sure. But talk of race bans and cheating is just daft. Racing incident. Done.

        And the other drivers that were quoted haven’t said Rosberg purposely crashed into Hamilton. They talked of it being bad driving, and a bizarre move, etc. But that doesn’t mean bizarre as in, we’ve got a filthy cheat on our hands. But sure, cherry pick whose opinions you want to ignore and interpret as see fit.

        And still the cauldron bubbles! Be glad when it’s the weekend so there’s another race to talk about!

      18. Thompson says:

        @Craig D

        I could understand your point if not for the circumstances.

        If The roles were reversed points wise i.e Hamilton had the 11 point lead with an option of closing it to 4 or potential to increase it to 39 – rosberg would not have tried to prove a point!

        He Would have accepted he did not have the corner and would have attempted the pass on the straight or waited for DRS.

        You do not need the investigative skills of Colombo to see that.

        But yes Monza soon and we’ll most likely regurgitate this come seasons end.

        Agree to disagree.

  37. Senninhos says:

    What a shambles, what a mess and, importantly, what a display of double standards on the part of Mercedes.
    Once again Lewis Hamilton is allowed to play spoiled brat within a team.

    Chopping in front of your team mate is OK
    Not following direct team orders is OK
    Airing the team’s laundry and communicating internal information to the outside world . . .
    All of this goes in essence unnoticed
    . . . as long as it is LH doing it.

    NR instigates what almost all experts agree was his fault but is to be viewed as nothing more than a racing incident, no doubt also as a result of frustration borne out of all of the above, and he is literally hang out to dry very publicly.

    I am speechless that Mercedes do not see what is really going on here, in the sense, that, once again, a prima donna driver in LH is allowed to dictate the team’s behaviour and policies.

    LH is an extremely gifted driver, I believe more so than NR (whether he is, overall, a better/more complete driver . . . the jury is still out on that one).
    But, believe me, he is not THAT good or THAT irreplaceable.
    AND Mercedes have got the best car by a country mile, ALL drivers, including LH, are at their mercy right now; what’s with the ongoing panic this year to ensure that HRH Hamilton is not too upset about anything ?
    What is he going to do, “drop them” and go to a lesser team ?
    And say he does, so what ?
    They can have their pick right now.

    This whole incident has been blown out of all proportion and completely mismanaged by the team.

    I suspect NR sees all this but is a much wiser operator and is simply keeping his head down and protecting his championship lead; I would be surprised if he does not feel gutted and disappointed, though.
    Good on him for seeing the bigger picture, I hope he wins the WDC this year, travesty of double points in the last race and all
    . . . . and then takes the #1 with him for 2015 to a team that deserves and respects him more.
    (unlikely, I know; simply a reflection of how much I feel the team has let him down right now)

    1. James Allen says:

      That’s a bit harsh – Rosberg has accepted responsibility for ruining Hamilton’s race, costing him points etc and has apologised.

      1. OldOzzie says:


        I agree with Senninhos’s summation, but I feel your comments above

        “This was a clumsy accident, inspired by the desire to show Hamilton that he wasn’t going to back off every time.”

        and response to the comment – “the article above does not say that Nico crashed into Lewis on purpose – it just says that he accepted that it was his fault – still a racing incident”


        “James Allen says:
        August 29, 2014 at 5:17 pm

        I don’t believe he crashed into him on purpose.”

        are also both correct

        The rest of the season will be interesting and hopefully Ferrari’s request for competitors to be allowed to make engine changes will be listened to, as it would make for even more exciting racing

      2. Brace says:

        James can’t you see McLaren 2007 happening all over again? It’s Hamilton who is first to break internal agreements or code of conduct, and when he gets a retaliation, he goes to the media, causing huge headache to the team and trying to bring the FIA to punish his own team. You’ll remember that in Hungary 2007, Alonso was on schedule to leave the pits when he did, and Hamilton only found himself in that position because he was out of sync. And then, when he founds himself on the receiving end because of his own breaking of the agreement, he goes to the media and throws the team under the bus. Even with Alonso’s later talk with Ron Dennis, he did it in private and he immediately apologized to Ron and said that he was wrong to try to pull that [mod] card on him.

        I’m amazed how people can see the history repeating over and over again and never recognize it coming all over again.

      3. A Cook says:

        Yeah and a fat lot good that has done for Hamiltons championship.

        James, don’t you think that replacing Nico with the test driver for one race would show, to both drivers, that contact (especially in light of the “to prove a point ” comment) is not acceptable and will be penalised?

      4. James Allen says:

        No, it would deprive the fans of a championship battle narrative and would be counter productive

      5. A Cook says:

        Don’t you think we have been deprived of a fairly contested championship James?
        I would hate for this season to end up like last where the viewers turned off due to the foregone conclusion that was Vetell and his amazing exhaust blown diffuser.

        I am afraid that if NR wins his crown be tarnished by his antics and Lewis’s poor reliability.
        Don’t you want a driver to win on his merits for a change?

      6. LB says:

        @Brace…Rosberg was the first to break internal agreements by using a forbidden engine mode in Bahrain (which Hamilton later did in Spain as well, but still Rosberg broke the trust first).

      7. kenneth chapman says:

        @ james….do you seriously think that this admission by rosberg was freely obtained and not under any duress? c’mon. that would’ve been the result of some coercive pressure being applied, IMO, of course. this ‘mea culpa’ would’ve been at the end of ‘a gun’ metaphorically speaking. the event had already been adjudicated on by the stewards nominated it a ‘racing incident’so it should’ve been left at that.

        all that mercedes have done now is to compound their problems for the rest of the season.

      8. senninhos says:

        Maybe you are right, maybe it was a bit harsh.

        I generally feel that LH’s transgressions have been tolerated and accepted too much in the past and, again, revealing the internal workings/discussions of a team is a complete no-no, I feel.

        But . . .

        Having now just read the statements from the drivers’ themselves (were they part of the ORIGINAL posting ???) I do feel that Mercedes have finally coaxed a much more sensible reaction from all concerned with NR, rightly, implying he was more to blame but also LH clearly accepting that he has made mistakes as well

        Is this over ?
        Hopefully yes
        Likely not
        We will see

      9. Richard says:

        Only when forced to! Neither do I accept your idea it was simply a clumsy accident. I think in an inflamed moment of madness is nearer the truth in which he intended contact of a minor nature as that is the only thing that would make Lewis take note. Simple close racing would have no effect whatsoever because Lewis would not see it as Nico was too far behind.

    2. LB says:

      1. Here’s Rosberg chopping across Schumie at Spa (as team-mates at Merc…no sanctions for Rosberg):

      2. I’d say choosing not to avoid an accident with a team mate is also contravening direct team orders.

      I guess we’re all biased in some way, I hope you realise this too.

    3. Lohani says:

      I agree, Senninhos. I’m disappointed at Mercedes management. This team was once handled by the great tactician, Alfred Neubauer, who introduced the idea of professionalism to F1, and the great Juan Manual Fangio. This is the history that Mercedes have managed to tarnish by handling this whole saga in an amateurish fashion. And, worst of all, they did it based on social media comments and complaints from one whining diva who started this whole mess by making useless remarks about his teammate at the beginning of the season. And, he continues to condescend him.

      What is that saying? Ah, yes! Too many cooks spoil the broth. One goes off publicly blaming the driver; the other gets angry on camera and talks about a no-contact agreement even before the two of them have had the chance to meet, sort out what they’re going to say, and be consistent. The third serves the dessert. At least, the third had the sense of sitting together to agree on a statement in private first. Brawn is missed. And, yes, Nico was conveniently bullied by the team more so than required, largely because the kid doesn’t have the same number of fans as Lewis does. This is exactly why Nico “must” win this year’s WDC. Or, get a voluminous fan-base to influence Mercedes management (apparently, they base their decisions on social media). Go for XIXE Entertainment.. You can be the rock-star, Nico. Hip-hop-gangster-necklaces’ role is already taken.

      Or, do nothing. You came out better positioned from this debacle anyway.

      Both Lewis and Nico are means to an end. The end is Mercedes’ best interest. If you can pay a hefty sum to a driver based on his reputation, that driver better deliver and squash his teammate in qualifying and the race “every time”. No one can do anything about car failures, but if you play mind games and end up suffering from it, yourself, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Not to mention making a complete fool of yourself by getting all emotional when you can’t handle it and divulging private matters in public (more than once in his career). Grow up and be a man! And, yes, that involves being ready to dodge or receive a punch if you punch someone first, literally, figuratively, allegorically, or metaphorically.

  38. JohnBt says:

    RIC will surely keep seize any chance from the Mercedes pair as there’s a good chance to capitalise on their current problem. I’m just wondering how far will either Lewis or Rosberg keep their distance from each other so does that mean we will not see wheel to wheel racing between them? Alonso too will
    pounce on any opportunity just to score as much points as he can. Intriguing for Merc from Monza onwards.

    But it’s a very good season though.

    1. JF says:

      I’m sure RIC and Redbull will keep them honestl. RIC is doing a great job this year and obviously loving it. Ricciardo could become the best driver out there, he may be already considering his form over Vettel (Caveat:I don’t think Vettel is on top form this year- maybe some burn out).

    2. Random 79 says:

      “But it’s a very good season though”

      Agreed, and it’s far from over :)

  39. carl craven says:

    This is no more than a clearing of air internally to save Mercedes face infront of the public. The masses are demanding that someone be found guilty.

    In terms of rule breaking there was none. The stewards apparently came to this conclusion in 10 seconds. The way Lewis has driven this season I think he’s the one who needs to be careful. If he finds himself behind Rosberg and attacking then he’s the one who is going to struggle to pass now, when he needs it more. He’s the one who has made more contact with other drivers.

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      exactly what i have said. thankfully others can see some clarity.

    2. Elie says:

      I’m pretty certain Lewis has far less problems overtaking than Nico Rosberg ever has/will. Just remind me when Lewis ran into Nico. They’ve touched once or twice (bahrain) when lewis has come from behind and Nico moved over on him slightly..

  40. moxlox says:

    One simple question to Mercedes: how will the Belgian points difference be redressed?

    1. 24601 says:

      I’ll answer for them – No need.

      Can you imagine a scenario If all racing incidents had to have a points adjustment, I can;t.

      1. moxlox says:

        24601 – agreed; in general that would be ridiculous. But in this case he removed his competitor from the race and still went on to score points, so he gained an unfair advantage. In my mind, because he significantly disadvantaged a competitor he should have been penalised with a drive through by the stewards there and then (like drivers are penalised for impeding other’s laps in qualifying for example).

        Oliver makes a reasonable point that Hamilton prevented Rosberg and the team from scoring a possible victory in Hungary, and wasn’t sanctioned by his team. In this case though he didn’t significantly disadvantage his teammate. They both scored points, and were after all fighting each other for the championship.

    2. Olivier says:

      In Rosberg defense, Hamilton did cost Rosberg a likely victory in Hungary. So, it evens out.

      The Mercedes management is to blame here:

      1. For setting dubious rules.
      2. For not penalizing Hamilton ignoring team orders.
      3. For not addressing/recognizing Rosberg’s anger.

      Personally I don’t think Hamilton should have conceded in Hungary. Both drivers are fighting a Championship after all. However, from Rosberg’s point of view I do understand his anguish as Hamilton was clearly not driving for the interest of the team. He ruined a likely Mercedes victory and didn’t get punished for that.

  41. D Vega says:

    Mercedes looks weak here. The pubishment, whatever it is, does not fit the crime. A one race ban would be fair.

    1. DC says:

      For an incident the stewards didn’t even impose a 5 second penalty for? Sure!

    2. Gaz Boy says:

      I wouldn’t ban him, that would be too contrived, but I would give Rosberg Junior a 10 place grid penalty for Monza.
      However, I will stress, just for the record, I don’t think he’s guilty of malice, just incompetence and a lack of common sense. It’s important to differentiate between two very different actions.

  42. JF says:

    I suspect this is more of a PR piece to close the books on this one, and reaffirm expectations going forward rather than a serious discipline meeting, especially considering it was just a racing incident however unfortunate the outcome. If there is a next time, I doubt the offender will get off lightly. I find it hard to blame the incident on Nico alone, but Merc execs have to hold the line and stick to their initial comments for consistency sake.

  43. Gaz Boy says:

    I don’t want to sound like “I told you so” to all the Rosberg Junior apologists on this fine forum, but………………..
    I have said in the last few days that Rosberg Junior was culpable for clumsy driving, and he’s finally admitted it to everyone, not least himself. Problem is, he hasn’t been punished by the FIA/Stewards with a retrospective penalty, so those 18 points he gained over Lewis are his for keeps.
    I don’t wish to sound like I’m promoting Lewis as the Patron Saint of Racing Drivers, but in all fairness he was rudely punted out of the lead at Spa through no fault of his own, and the driver who caused his demise was not punished, at least not by the people who matter.
    Still, what goes around comes around……………….so anything bad happens to Mercedes Car No.6 and it’s all karma……………..

    1. JF says:

      The people that matter (ie. the race stewards) saw no incident worthy of penalizing.

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        Very true, its that old cliche that if you can do something a bit suspect and get away with it /don’t get caught or penalised then you may as well carry on doing it………….
        You are right – stewards decision is final, onwards and upwards to Monza…………..

      2. Brian Bell says:

        Has Rosberg ever had a penalty? I can’t remember….when he was running people off the track a couple of years back did he get a penalty or did they change the rules?

      3. LB says:

        The people that matter are those paying the drivers’ salaries who have deemed Rosberg culpable.

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      @ gaz boy….if you believe that this latest exercise is anything but a PR face saving event then your analytical skills are fastly becoming seriously deficient.

      1. Brent says:

        Agreed, this is finely prepared BS served on paper plates.

    3. Uchiha says:

      If stewards were wrong in saying it was racing incident..what do you have to say for Alonso, Vet and Hulk who also have same opinion as stewards?? You and every one else cannot be right if top drivers are saying it was racing incident.

      Agreed Rosberg apologised but we all know it was forced apology.

  44. Andy says:

    “another such incident will not be tolerated.” are strong words, but will Mercedes act on it if another incident occurs.

    It was clumsy by Rosberg, and the in-team bickering that Mercedes have allowed to develop has meant that this incident has been blown out of proportion. Mercedes have added to it by their “not be tolerated” comment, because if there is another one, suspension or sacking is the only real option, but would they do it.

    How much the drivers challenge each other at the next couple of races will soon show if a behind the scenes team order has been done.

  45. MR says:

    I wonder if every time a driver now touches the back of the car infront if all the arm chair specialits wil call for bans etc………….laughable………..Mercedes set the scene and the blatantly obvious happened………what else did they expect.

    1. Voodoopunk says:

      “I wonder if every time a driver now touches the back of the car infront if all the arm chair specialits wil call for bans etc”

      No, apparently it’s only applicable to when it happens to Hamilton and/or a championship contender, nobody else matters.

  46. Geoff Norman says:

    I’d suggest that the blame splits about 80/20 Rosberg/Hamilton; while it may be acceptable for the driver in the lead to stick to his normal line even if it means contact with the would-be overtaker, it’s not very clever as the rear tyres have been shown to be vulnerable many times in the last few seasons. I’m not suggesting that Hamilton chopped Rosberg on this occasion – though he has done so in spades in several previous races – but a fractional easing of his line would have prevented the whole incident and he would/should have won the race. Maybe Hamilton was proving a point, again.

    1. Brian Bell says:

      Maybe Rosberg steered into him like the on board shows. Maybe Hamilton should get a big sign saying ‘Please pass this side if you have no racecraft’

  47. Ry says:

    You know why they felt they had to do this, and then make it public(which was essential)… It’s because Lewis Hamilton whined, cried, bitched and threw a hissy fit over a racing incident. That’s why. It’s because Lewis is a cry baby and he acts irrationally quite often. He says he’s always being treated unfairly -even when he wins. He’s a media hype machine and a good race car driver, but not a great racer -he spends much too much time and effort being a media whore and treating the people in PR like rented mules. And Toto and Paddy are playing right into his hands.

    What people are forgetting is that all the LH44 fans said that NR06 isn’t aggressive enough to fight for the lead…. Well… He is that aggressive and then some. I hope Nico puts lewis in the wall next time, teach his “team mate” that in those circumstances he’s to leave more space or there will be more racing incidents.

    1. Robert says:

      you’re obviously a Nico fan!
      The Mercedes Team has just disciplined Nico and he has apologised to Lewis and the team and admits to his ‘error of judgement’!!! Mercedes wants to keep Lewis and probaby threaten Nico with the sack (even with his new contract), because they and everyone (except people like you), knows that with the same equipment that was reliable Lewis would always beat Nico hands down!

      1. James Allen says:

        We’re getting tired of having to Mod your comments

        Please don’t insult other posters, or we ail simply delete all your comments – Mod

      2. Brent says:

        Your obviously a Hamilton fan. “Probably threaten Nico with the sack”. just make it up as you go along Robert. “Everyone knows”, LOL, everyone?, or just Hamilton fanatics.

  48. Robert says:

    To all those Nico fans and anti-Lewis supportors:

    Don’t you ALL feel so stupid and foolish now for blaming Lewis for the collision, and accusing him of playing the victim!!!???

    The Mercedes Team has just disciplined Nico and he has apologised to Lewis and the team and admits to his ‘error of judgement’!!! I don’t need to say anymore do I?

    And ALL those biased writer shouldn’t called themselves ‘journalists’ if they can’t be fair and objective!!! They should be really ashamed now for their previous biased articles

    1. Pkara says:

      Here Here !!
      Well said Robert :-)
      I assume they are still wearing their blinkers & hitting a brick wall , while sucking on some sour old lemons. Bon Apètit Rpsberg fans !!

    2. 24601 says:

      “I don’t need to say anymore do I?” Peace at last!

    3. Elie says:

      To a large extent I agree with you Robert.’(not the sack etc- thats too much and Merc are just pretending)

    4. DH says:

      Do I feel stupid and foolish? let me think about that……ok I’ve thought about it……NO!

      1. C63 says:

        You may not feel it, but that’s just because you don’t want to admit that you were wrong ;-)

    5. KJ says:

      Absolutely right

  49. Il Leone says:

    An apology is definitely worth 29 points in the bank for Nico!

    In my opinion, Mercedes’ PR/image problems started at the track when Niki and Toto were so obviously backing Lewis in their media interviews (even though, to be fair, that was the right thing to do). Teams should air their dirty laundry in private and not allow emotion to cloud their judgment in the heat of battle. This is why Nico may still prevail this year, he is mentally stronger and does not go crying to the media every five minutes.

    My own view is that Lewis was lucky not to have been suspended himself for blabbing about what may (or may not) have happened in a private meeting. That would be a sackable offence in many walks of life.

    Hopefully at Monza we will have clean racing, but I think Lewis will give Nico a couple of extra inches room in corners from now on in. Which is probably what Nico wanted all along…..

    1. Brian Bell says:

      They can’t sack/suspend Hamilton…… Rosberg needs his telemetry

  50. Uchiha says:

    They say “Absolutely no contact”.. I feel this will be in favor of Nico. This incident has been a win-win for Nico..

  51. aveli says:

    for all those posting their bile, now do you feel now?
    I hope you remember that the truth always wins.

    1. Random 79 says:

      “I hope you remember that the truth always wins”

      That’s a lie ;)

      1. aveli says:

        why is that a lie? lies don’t win, only the truth does.
        how did you like rosberg’s walk on the podium?
        just don’t think he’s wearing stilettos.

    2. JF says:

      Or the truth get buried in politics.

  52. Robert says:

    I personally don’t believe that Nico is being magnanimous here! I believe that Mercedes really wants to keep Lewis in the team and give him a new contract for another 3 years, and to get Nico to apologies and take responsibility for the collision, to pacify Lewis, the fans, sponsors and bosses, Mercedes probably had to threaten Nico with an ultimatum to comply if he wanted to stay on, notwithstanding his new contract!

    I’m not a Lewis super-nut, I just like fair and exciting F1 racing, and the most exciting drivers in F1 are Lewis and Fernando bar non (well, maybe Daniel)! Nico is not quite there yet and if he does win the Championship, it would be more because of Lewis’s unreliable car!

    1. JF says:

      Perhaps up to a point: I suspect Rosbergs punishment was to deliver an apology even though the fault was not entirely his.

    2. Richard says:

      Well said, and fairly said!

  53. furstyferret says:

    I desperately want lewis to win the wdc, but come on wouldnt another coming together at the 1st corner in monza, spice things up even more at Mercedes,

    1. Brian Bell says:

      At this point I want DR to win it. I really don’t like RB, but an LH victory looks unlikely unless his luck changes and DR is the one doing the job using skill and racecraft.

  54. bmw1806 says:

    Mercedes have decided, after asking their fans what they think, to let Lewis and Nico to race. However, there must be the caveat that if that ever get into a situation like the one that happened at Spar, the driver who is behind must brake and not cause a collision!

  55. Frank says:

    The whole discussion is academic unless we get to know the disciplinary measures.
    Then the question is, are disciplinary measures fair?

  56. BalancedPOV says:

    I was hoping Mercedes would have opted to start Nico from the pitlane for Monza.

    That would have punished him without really jeopardising many team points

    1. glennb says:

      I was thinking along the lines of putting a young driver in his car on friday mornings for a while. It’s not severe punishment by any means but it does send a clear message.

      1. Brian Bell says:

        Put a young driver in LH’s car on Fridays. Rosberg would be lost :lol:

      2. aveli says:

        they should start rosberg on pole and terminate his contract if he crashed into his teammate again.

    2. DH says:

      BalancedPOV – Why would a team deliberately start a car in position 22 when it is capable of starting 1 or 2? That is just senseless – clearly risking valuable team points. Remember for team management and car builder the WCC is more important than WDC. No sane businessman would endore that. It’s like taking away a top salesmans clients because he/she made an error in a negotiation and didn’t close a deal.

  57. méridabob says:

    It’s done and dusted. Nico has the points, Mercedes managemnet have puffed up their chests like roosters and all will look silly after the next time these two come together. Hats off to Nico, he now has one hand on the title.

    1. aveli says:

      I can’t to watch that walk of his on the podium when he gets both hands on that trophy.

  58. Fernando de Sousa says:

    Put Sussie Wolff on Rosberg’s car, after Mercedes win the championship

    1. Random 79 says:

      If nothing else that would stop all the rumours of Mercedes being biased toward one driver :)

    2. LB says:

      I suspect that was the real threat issued to the drivers…behave or we’ll bench you after the WCC is won.

  59. JAWA hs-f1 says:


    Sorry to go off topic now. Any chance you can shed light on Martin Whitmarsh’s future course of action? He’s officially no longer part of McLaren (feels bit weird I must admit, though necessary)

    Will we see Whitmarsh as a head of another team? Williams, maybe? or enter with a new team in 2016?

  60. mjr says:

    Under Ross Brawn, none of this nonsense would had happened… The moment Paddy was brought to replace Ross, became Mercedes undoing in the long term.

    1. JF says:

      Interesting, Mclaren didn’t exactly flourish while Paddy Lowe was there.

  61. finster says:

    Without the disclosure of the punishment imposed on Rosberg by Merc, one thing is blatantly clear. Mercedes will not jeopardize their points lead until the WDC/WCC is out of reach for the competition. The FIA washed their hands of it in 10 seconds. People calling for a race ban for Nico are bonkers, it is not going to happen unless/until the championship is theirs. One thing is sure, come Monza both drivers better be wearing their good boy pants and have a big toothy grin with none of this school kid social media, backbiting BS. I am of the opinion that Nico has a rearend rash because Lewis was hired by Merc with the larger salary. THAT is the “point” he had to prove, not who is the better driver. Nico is leading the WDC, but Lewis is bringing in the cheddar. If I was the senior driver and someone was hired in at a substantially higher rate, Id have a chapped rearend too. Who wouldn’t? Mercedes and Lauda made a HUGE mistake backing Lewis with a contract much higher contract than Nico. We would be seeing a mushroom cloud over Marranello had Kimi been given more than Alonso, or RIC paiid more than SEB.

    1. LB says:

      Lewis is a WDC, Nico is not…at least not yet. Those WDCs do count for something you know.

  62. Archie says:

    Shame on you Mercedes!

    Punishment for Rosberg?

    Wolff, Lauda and Lowe are ripe for abdication!

  63. Richard cummins says:

    At last Nico has come out and admitted it was his cock up.
    We don’t know the actual punishment so how can people express an opinion is beyond me.
    To all the commentators who sat on the fence and described it as a clumsy piece of driving you should admit that you to were wrong.
    Think this is the only real option Merc had. Got to say though, James ,Brundell and Nico must be well pleased. Nico,s 29 point stands and so I believe Nico,s credibility has taken a real kickin. I would love it if he went on to get 2 DNF,s on the bounce. LH should win the WDC as he is the best driver at AMG Mercedes.

  64. Monktonnik says:

    As team mates who have both beaten drivers that I support (JB, MSC) I really cannot say that I particularly want either of them to win, and I certainly hold no partisan opinions towards the Mercedes duo.

    I think Rosberg was clumsy and should have just admitted that at the time and apologised (he may have done actually, not sure).

    I think Hamilton’s handling of this, from the team radio in the race to the press afterwards, has been poor.

    It looks to me like Rosberg has the upper hand in this mentally and it is fascinating watching him take Lewis apart to gain an advantage. Will it make him an unworthy champion? No. No more so than Prost, Piquet, Senna or Schumacher who all went all out to win.

    I cannot wait for the rest of the season, and Mercedes are right to let them race.

  65. Thompson says:

    I am genuiny shocked at many of the responses in this thread so far – availi you are right!

    Up till now ,bar Monaco everything played out on track – quali mistakes,failures, fires it all added to the spice.

    But now – even Kenneth Chapman now recognises the gravity of Rosbergs actions!

    The racing has been hard but fair, like I’ve said so many times this has been an epic season.

    Canada 14 1st corner shows Rosberg gave has good as he recieved.

    This action by Rosberg and now this statement makes no sense if no real action is going to be taken by Merc.and the FIA too.

    While the WDC can indeed be taken by danniR and RB the WCC is as good as over.

    Wow….. It’s like the Damon Hill years all over again.

    1. Thompson says:

      Sorry that’s suppose to read aveli…..

      1. Thompson says:

        Another correction – Kenneth Chapman mentioned in error….

      2. Thompson says:

        Honestly Kenneth or feels like you are doing a sebee sometimes – are you?

        But Kenneth seriously Schumacher/HIll 94, Hamilton/Raikkonen 08 – Magnusson/Alonso 14 or Hamilton/Rosberg spa 14, there are other cases.

        Not bad mouthing the stewards or nutton like that but…….

        … anyone familiar with the sport over the years will have questioned the legitimacy of these stewards more than once.

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      that is a blatantly untrue assertion thompson….it was, and still remains, a racing incident as i have repeatedly said. i qualified that as meaning in essence a factor of ‘mutual negligence’. i expect an apology.

      1. Richard says:

        All happenings on the race track are racing incidents, but there is more to this one. Perhaps Thompson is like Rosberg very economical with the truth. Sorry Thomson only kidding as Chapman is a known anti-Hamilton campaignist and his views are always weighted.

      2. Thompson says:

        @Kenneth Chapman I mentioned you to prove a point!

        I have not had a chance to re-read my post – i’ll wait till then before commiting to a response.

        Lol…… Mentioned you in error.

      3. Pkara says:

        Charterhouse Rules 19th Century

        Pistols at Dawn?
        Gentlemens fencing?
        Queensbury Rules?

        Black Adder Rules re Speckled Jims demise :-D

        Lol sorry thought I was a spectator in the hallowed hallsf of a Gentlemens Club…..! :-D

      4. kenneth chapman says:

        @ richard……let me explain something to you which you either don’t understand or if you do you are trying to sweep it under the carpet. when the stewards rule ‘ a racing incident’ that is because either both drivers have exhibited a degree of ‘mutual negligence’ therefore rendering any individual driver guilty of being singularly at fault a ‘non event’. [ as in, it didn't happen']

        if it is clear, and devoid of any ambiguity, that one driver was the sole instigator of a rule infringement then the stewards can and do impose a penalty at their discretion.. in this instance, you have chosen, from the seat of your armchair, to override the stewards decision because you have data that they don’t have and your wealth of experience allows you to make a 100% valid judgment in favor of your preferred driver. as you have pointed out, i am a ‘known anti-hamilton campaigner’ well let me set the record straight ,again, for you. IMO hamilton is overrated and overstated. he has won one WDC and that was by one point…in seven years! no one denies that he is fast but so are a lot of others and given the equipment that he has had the use of over the years many other drivers could and would have done as well if not better. we all have our favourites and that is part of the fun of F1 but when analysing the ‘racing’ facts/results are what matters.

        in summary then, IMO i would seriously question your understanding of this incident. time to let go and move on.

      5. Pkara says:

        Well said Thompson & Richard 100% in agreement with your comments.

        :-D Totally amaze balls response from Mr.Chapman :-D

        Must enjoy the Dr.Strangelove undertones :-D

      6. Pkara says:

        Omg Ken Chapman
        Lewis Hamilton is a World Champ wether its by one point or not.
        Kimi won by a few points does that make him a cheap champion ?!
        Just because you believe in what you preach it does not provide any objectivity other than a subjective opinion laced with copious amonts anti lewis content.
        We understand you dont like Lewis we get it.
        No need to turn it into a Scientology service.
        Without Lewis et al being in F1 it will turn into a procession at least he goes for the overtakes rather than sitting back & trying a pit manoeuvre asif Rosberg was on an episode of Cops.

      7. Pkara says:

        Wether = Whether
        Before the correction pen from the househeld litigator goes all Rumpole on everyone :-D

      8. kenneth chapman says:

        @ pkara….do you usually respond to posts that are addressed to someone else who is reponding to a particular point? i have just received numerous posts in my inbox from you that are, to be honest, simply a lot of garbled hot air and make no sense whatsoever. are you stalking/trolling me, for if you have a position that you want take then do so by all means but at least have the manners to stay away from getting personal.

        maybe pkara/richard/thompson are all the one and same person?

      9. C63 says:

        @Kenneth Chapman
        There you go again! The stewards can do no wrong, they are the experts and never make an error of judgement, they have all the information etc etc blah blah……
        What happened to your firmly held beliefs at Melbourne (when DR was disqualified) – the rules were wrong, the equipment was faulty, it was the teams fault not the drivers – it’s not fair boo hoo. What happened at Silverstone (lengthy replacement of crash barrier) – the authorities were incompetent and don’t know a thing, Niki Lauda knows what’s what and he said it took too long. Niki Lauda also blamed Rosberg for this incident – odd that you haven’t mentioned that (since we know you hold him in such high esteem) perhaps he forgot what he knows since Silverstone, when he was your expert of choice.

        The double standards you afford yourself are truly incredible – maybe it’s your art student ships engineering background (odd mix, or did you paint the ship?) that’s to blame ;-)

      10. Richard says:

        Kenneth Chapman: Well I think all you have said merely underlines what I said previously about your stance. You are of course entitled to your views misguided as they are. Stewards have been shown time and time again to be inconsistent, and superficially one might judge it to be an ordinary racing incident. I happen to think otherwise and there are more than a few racing drivers that know there was something “unclean” about the incident, and something highly dubious about the Monaco fiasco. It’s rather sad when drivers resort to unfair means to win because they really haven’t won anything at all. As for Hamilton being overrated clearly those that employ him don’t share your view and are willing to pay substantial sums to have him drive for them, and if we were to take the unreliability issues and the cheating out of it he would be leading now.

      11. Thompson says:

        Lol…. This forum format.

        My response to this thread ref Kenneth Chapman’s reply is in the previous thread…..

      12. kenneth chapman says:

        @ C63…i am disappointed that you choose to play the ‘ad hominem’card! if you want to recap on the aust.GP ref DR and the subsequent events then at least do me the favour of getting it right. what i said about that hoo har was that, according the RB, they had the proof to support their case. i then said that if, after the court of appeal, they are found guilty then so be it. nothing unusual there.
        why are you still going on about old issues which you keep repeating. i have responded before to the ‘fence repair’ issue so i won’t go over old ground. i fully concurred with lauda’s comments on the point and i still do.

        as for lauda’s comments re spa and hamilton. he is entitled to make whatever comments he chooses. it needs to be taken into account that lauda brought hamilton into mercedes. it is also possible that his comments were ill timed. of course he has a pedigree within the F1 world and i take that into account but to assume that because i agree with one of his comments that i would then automatically agree with everything he says is simply wishful thinking on your behalf in a lame attempt to push your barrow.

        no doubt you have read all my comments and i have been challenged to put up names that happen to agree with the stewards and that those people have F1 cred. how about eric boullier, how about alain prost, how about john watson?

        as for your snide comments re my background. you just don’t know the half of it and if you did you’d certainly look extremely foolish. as i have said, ‘ad hominem’ just shows how desperate some people are to try and make the ‘silk purse out of the proverbial pig’s ear’.

        one other point which came to light recently. when the transcripts of the pit to car comments were published, hamilton, after his girly outburst ‘nico hit me’, ‘i can’t believe he hit me’ goes on to ask ‘was that a racing incident?’ and guess what his pit wall [whoever that was] says, ‘yes’. can you explain why this was turned 180deg by race end? don’t forget that the stewards, with all their data, didn’t even say,’ incident between cars X and Y is being investigated’. no, they just saw it for what it was.

        why don’t you just look at it objectively and accept the facts?

      13. C63 says:

        @Kenneth Chapman
        Objective: (of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

        I have to say I laughed when I read your post urging me to view this incident objectively, Coming from you that’s a bit rich , do you have any mirrors in your house? ha ha!
        If an incident involves Hamilton, your default position is he must be at fault. You then view the incident to see if you can make/twist the facts fit the conclusion that you have already reached – tell me that’s not true.
        The facts of the matter are; the regulator of the sport has not reacted to a case in which an advantage has been gained by unsporting driving. It is not a matter of opinion over a racing incident if one of the parties admits intent… what is making a point if not intent?

        As for raking up old ground – fuel flow and crash barrier repair – I only mentioned this to highlight your double standards and hypocrisy. I simply do not see how you can say the stewards are all seeing and make no errors of judgement in one breath and in the next, claim they are wrong. They are either infallible or they aren’t. Personally, I think they have a difficult job and make mistakes. I also think they succumb to external pressure that is (no doubt) brought to bear.
        Finally, and this is a serious question, do you use words like ad hominem and propensity to verbosity during normal conversation? Personally, I don’t believe using flowery language such as this adds any weight to your argument, but it does make me smile :-)

      14. kenneth chapman says:

        @ C63…re your latest missive. you have asked me to comment on your assertion….well here you are ‘ridiculous’.

        as for the ‘stewards’, well as far as being right or wrong at times, that may be so, but i doubt very much if anyone on this board has the infinite knowledge to challenge successfully especially the chosen few. from time to time there appear ‘grey areas’ especially when discerning ‘at fault’ incidents involving more than one car apart from specific details.

        given the decisions taken by C63 and those by the stewards i would take the latter any time of the day or night.

        as for your comment re my choice of words to describe certain instances. that did indeed make me LOL. verbal communications are all about painting a ‘literal picture’ so that the reader is better informed of the writers visions and the fact that you have problems with that and try to denigrate my writing is quite sad really. another of your ‘ad hominem’ comments? this debate should not lower itself into debate of a personal nature. if you have problems with my descriptors it must surely indicate more of a problem for the reader than for the writer.

        moving right along, in one of your outbursts of indignation you challenged me to provide you with some of the ‘better respected F1 luminaries that agreed with my analysis and that of the stewards! i nominated, eric boullier, alain prost and john watson, now that should have been enough but incase you are still in doubt how about, sebastian vettel, fernando alonso and nico hulkenberg. that is a creditable line up of team principals, ex WDC’s [9 in total] and one current midfielder. are you still in any doubt?

        lastly, i asked you to comment on hamilton’s enquiry of his team/pit wall, whoever, after his ‘nico hit me’ comments, ‘was that a ‘racing incident’ and he was told, [by whom i do not know] ‘yes’. now surely this needs some explanation as it certainly demonstrates hamilton’s confusion of what really happened.

        initially C63 i intended to let your last post ‘wither on the vine’ and treat it as a ‘casus belli’ invocation. but no, drawn back in. all said and done now ,as we are about to enter the ‘monza zone’. with luck we will see another intriguing battle from the two mercedes drivers. i would not be surprised if the results are already predetermined by mercedes as i would think that the fine was for public consumption only.

      15. C63 says:

        @Kenneth chapman
        In an attempt to ‘close the file’ on this, somewhat, pointless debate – pointless, as you will not change my view, nor will I change yours. I will not respond to your latest ‘salvo, other than to point out that we are not communicating verbally as you have suggested ;-)

      16. James Allen says:

        That is the end of this thread

        We don’t mind debate but not when it gets personal

  66. Thompson says:

    Sorry that’s suppose to be aveli….

    1. Thompson says:

      Pls ignore

      1. Random 79 says:

        It’s up to you Thompson but personally I’d give up about now ;)

  67. StephenAcworth says:

    I think your headline is misleading: in the full transcript, Hamilton accepts some responsibility…

    “Although Rosberg apologised for his error of judgement in the Belgian GP incident, Hamilton also made it clear that his German team-mate should not take all the blame for what happened.

    “Nico and I accept that we have both made mistakes and I feel it would be wrong to point fingers and say which one is worse than the other,” he said.

    “What’s important is how we rise as a team from these situations. We win and we lose together and, as a team, we will emerge stronger.”

    1. James Allen says:

      That Hamilton quote is in the post! Maybe you don’t bother reading the posts? Just comment on headlines?

      1. StephenAcworth says:

        Nope: I read the full article.

        However, plenty of research indicates many people read headlines and skim stories. As a journalist, you should perhaps know the power of headlines to influence opinion. If you want any evidence to support this assertion, you have my email address and I can point you in the direction of plenty of empirical studies that would reinforce my point.

        I was just pointing out in my post that the HEADLINE is misleading, as per my first sentence, as it clearly infers that Rosberg is the only one who admits an error.

        A less biased headline might read: Rosberg and Hamilton accept they are both to blame for the current woes at Mercedes”.

        Normally I wouldn’t bother to comment, but I find that the UK media’s response to the incident is very biased towards Hamilton and against Rosberg, a situation I find somewhat depressing…

      2. aveli says:

        is that why only rosberg apologised, to the team, his teammate and all the f1 fans?

      3. Gazza says:

        Nico Rosberg

        “For that error of judgement, I apologise to Lewis and the team. I also want to say sorry to the fans who were deprived of our battle for the lead in Belgium…”

        Why would Nico be apologising to Lewis and the fans if he didn’t,t agree the Spa incident was his fault.?

        It was Nico that was punished, not Hamilton

        Lewis, admited they had both made mistakes through out the campaign. Ie engine setting tampering etc, none of which constituted an official punishment from the team.

        Don,t see how you could read it any other way.

        I get cheesed of with the British media bashing……have you witnessed what goes on in Spain and Italy,.?

    2. JF says:

      He should, its obvious from the camera footage that he shared in causing the collision. Didn’t need to close the door as soon as he did. If he had of left more room he probably would have won the race. In real life you don’t pull in front of the speeding transport because etiquette dictates you can.

      1. aveli says:

        that’s why he apologised to he team, his teammate and all f1 fans.

    3. Robert says:

      Nico acknowledged his ‘error of judgment’ in causing the collision in Belgium!
      But people are not understanding what Lewis actually meant in his statement which was referring to other races such as perhaps Hungary (with Jenson and Kimi etc.), not this collison!

      James, what do you think?

      1. James Allen says:

        Sure, and the talking out of school about what was said in a private team meeting

        Don’t underestimate how badly that plays within a team

      2. Samir says:

        Nothing wrong with having courage to expose underhand behavior. We need not all become corporate apologists. F1 history is replete with examples of unethical and highly politicized behavior, with the sport’s regulator often complicit. This has eroded the trust of many observant fans. Therefore any utterances that circumvent the fabricated spin cycle inject refreshing transparency and keep fan interest alive as well. It is also interesting to reflect on the changing media landscape where some global superstars can communicate directly with their fans, whom the teams and sport are ultimately beholden to.

  68. Craig says:

    The only Mercedes people making a mess of all this is the management. of Wolff, Lowe, and Lauda. Nobody wants to see a cute little antiseptic parade of cars, and Hamilton and Rosberg were simply racing. Management tarnishes the image by stepping in it. Let the the drivers race any which way they want to race and let the chips fall where they may. That is a far better option than ordering the two cars to drive in a parade. This is just one more reason why I will never buy a Mercedes. No spirit, no heart, no soul, no character, just an ordered parade.

  69. Stephen Taylor says:

    James do you think F1 stewards in general are being too lenient when deciding whether or not to hand out penalties particularly in their attempts to not be seen as too harsh?

    1. James Allen says:

      They are being more lenient than at the start of the year, yes.

      1. Stephen Taylor says:

        Hi James what I was asking was in trying to be more lenient do think the stewards have not come down enough on drivers enough in certain cases?

      2. James Allen says:


        Rules are rules, it’s odd you can decide to semi ignore them

      3. JF says:


      4. kenneth chapman says:

        @ james….that was in agreement with all the teams wasn’t it? OT james…i am now getting all my email notifications. problem sorted by error in email address.

  70. Bal says:

    I think Nico has made his point. ;-0)

  71. Craig J says:

    One week until the next race. Plenty of time for Nico to pull a Vettel, publicly retract that apology, and rationalize stealing Hamilton’s wins whenever the opportunity presents. I miss the days when the championship points leader gets booed at every race!

    1. JF says:

      He should retract it, and demand one from his team for making him look like a villain for actually racing.

  72. Damonw says:

    Do people think and apology will make Hamilton feel better, Nico will be laughing underneath after gaining a massive 18 points.

  73. luqa says:

    Lets see who the real winners, whiners and losers are in this racing incident.

    In third spot- losers, we have NL and TW for having to back track and finally take responsibility for a situation they created and allowed to happen through weak management. I’m sure their respective bosses are none too happy that they failed HR 101 by acting inconsistently towards their drivers, not only in Spa, but previously as well and thus tarnished the company image. NL should give up his job at RTL as colour commentator, and focus on his team, or, give up the position as non- executive board member at Petronas AMG Mercedes, because he is mixing up the two responsibilities to the detriment of the team.

    In second spot we have LH, who was forced to admit to having made mistakes in the past- whatever they were we can only speculate, but any neutral observer will have a pretty good idea, given his record this year and in the past. Unfortunately (like NR), he will know he’ll have to curb some of his aggression, which will put him on the back foot unfortunately, in his bid for this year’s drivers championship.

    The winner is NR, who has taken responsibility for a racing incident that went slightly sour, but either driver could have avoided if they really wanted to. No skin off his nose. He now has a 29 point advantage, his nearest rival LH knows he has to be more circumspect when racing him (point made) LH’s reputation as an under performing, high maintenance diva will have been solidified- which makes him less marketable. And, LH knows that despite trying to engage in mind games, NR won’t play ball. Similarly he has shown to be the consummate team player by not slagging his team, or team mate in public and not running off to the press when things don’t go his way.

    1. Gazza says:

      Did you even see the race…..?.? Nico solidified his reputation for not being that good at overtaking… that’s all.
      Messed it up, got 18 points by sheer luck.
      If anything Nico is actually getting worse at the wheel to wheel stuff…..as the WDC looms into sight the pressure will ramp up even more……if he can hold it together and not mess it up he deserves the WDC……more mistakes like this and I doubt his luck will hold.

  74. tifosi says:

    Oh my god.. this is becoming worse everyday… cannot believe Mercedes board is tolerating this soap opera…

    Guess what, Lauda, Hamilton, Wolf, you were all wrong in blowing this situation up like teen girls bit*hing about their boy friends….

    Grow up… Rosber was standing up to a bully, and they both got a bloody nose to show for it….
    now both of them know not to cuddle up to each other..

    now lets go racing…… shall we?

  75. RobC says:

    Here’s a thought experiment for all the Hamilton fans: Swap the cars at Spa. Everything proceeds as it did with the same effects. Would the team/media reaction be a) Hamilton’s driving was “absolutely unacceptable”. or b) Well, it’s just Lewis being the out & out fastest street fighting racer that we know he is?

    Think about it in view of previous incidents & behaviours. Then think about whether todays statement(s) actually really confirm Rosberg’s culpability – ‘error of judgement’ & ‘both made mistakes’. Sounds like 6 of 1 & half a dozen of the other to me – i.e. a racing incident. No?

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      @ rob C good points there. despite your offer for comments i doubt whether you’ll get any sensible responses. hahahaha

    2. ChrisS says:

      Exactly. It’s funny how Hamilton’s immaculate race-craft saw him hit button at Hockenheim and it was ‘just an error of judgement’.

    3. KRB says:

      Same thing would’ve happened, the same condemnation. A racing driver of the top ability simply has to realize when there is nothing on, then pull out of the move. Lewis has done that a few times with Nico already this year. Watch the start of the Canadian GP this year (at 0:48 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPIxW3VDBpI) … that’s how you pull out of a move then tuck back in, though Lewis did lose a place to Vettel b/c of that.

    4. DH says:

      Agree RobC. Ham is treated with kid gloves cause the team are scarred he wil have a tantrum. There have been hundreds od incidents the same as this one over the years and no-one has cried foul to this extent.

    5. Elie says:

      @RobC and many others- Dont you people read James many comments on here and the facts presented to the world:-

      Nico Rosberg admitted and apologised for his error of judgement on track
      Lewis Hamilton apologised for his error of judgement regarding public comments. Nothing to do with on track- he was hit from behind and taken out of a race by his team mate- marginally a racing incident but more likely a mistake amongst team that stewards left alone & fair enough.

      As for the point of if the roles were reversed :-
      1/ Lewis would have bided his time and taken him on the straight like 20 other drivers woukd in that position. It was Nicos defeated attitude to attack & “make a point” that caused his anxiety and if you ask me sheer and utter stupidity.
      2/ If ANY driver Especially Lewis included made that error they would be considered enough to walk up after he race and apologise to the guy- regardless. But again that sneaky and cowardly attitude from Nico showed he has a greater sense of entitlement thats been there since the first race.
      3/Lewis would have courage to apologise to his team mate on the podium not let it linger for a week- then admit his mistake. Its this very nature that caused Lewis to stoop to blurting it out in oublic which clearly he shouldnt have..

      Nico [mod] has been brewing since sulking like a baby at Hungary because he expects Lewis to move over even when hes 2 sec ahead and drove from the back of the field to get there.. Absolutely disgraceful!!.& he was so unprofessoonal to let i get the better of him in SPA #weakdumbactnico

  76. albert says:

    All these people calling for a raceban etc for nico and making ham #1 are bonkers , what would happen then if hamilton DNF and daniel won the race ? And then maybe something happened to hamilton like schumacher breaking his legs at silverstone ? It would mean that the wdc is far from secure .

  77. Matt C says:

    Interesting, so the FIA takes 5 minutes to confirm no action is necessary but Mercedes takes a week and confirms there is case to answer…..ironic.

  78. bmg says:

    Hello James, could you do a piece on the Redbull’s development of its power unit and straight line speed.

    Will they be competitive in monza?

  79. Richard C (AUS) says:

    I wish to state I have no affiliation with, share opinions or condone any behaviour on this site put forth by any other “Richard”.

    I think Mercedes have handled this as well as they could, and probably more in the public eye than they had to. They could enforce teams orders and that would be that. So credit to them. They are trying to appease their own desires as well as the fans’.

    1. Voodoopunk says:

      “I wish to state I have no affiliation with, share opinions or condone any behaviour on this site put forth by any other “Richard”.”

      Good for you, if it was me i’d think about using someone elses name so as not to be confused.

  80. Chris S says:

    If luck had gone his way, Lewis should be at least 25-50 points ahead in the Championship and there would then be no argument as to who is ultimately the faster/more complete driver in the Mercedes Team this year.

    But F1 does have a habit of rewarding the better driver over a whole season. There is therefore every chance that Hamilton can overcome the 29 point deficit in the remaining races.

    Rosberg only needs to have one mechanical failure or accident in a race that Lewis wins to close the gap in the Championship to just 4 points and that’s before we consider the double points race.

    There is therefore still everything to play for. I certainly would not place a bet on Rosberg winning the Championship just yet..

    I entirely agree with James’ assessment of the incident : Yes, on this occasion it was clearly Rosberg’s fault but it wasn’t deliberate but I am not so convinced about Monaco.

    Given Lewis’ greater number of points lost through reliability issues, in the interest of fairness, I would not like to see Rosberg win the Championship. But, if the situation was reversed, I would have sympathy for Rosberg.

    I for one would like to see contributors to this forum rise above the personal animosity we have seen directed towards Hamilton and to a much lesser extent Rosberg in this particular thread.

    This is the kind of thing that made me stop contributing to another UK-based forum and turn to this one where, thanks to excellent modulation, the standard of debate has usually been very much higher.

  81. JF says:

    There have been other team mate collisions this year if I remember correctly. Unless I missed it there was not much made of it by anyone. I guess if your not in a top team no one cares. Most of the uproar is due to aggrieved fans of specific drivers rather than fans of F1 as a sport.

    1. aveli says:

      if it doesn’t involve hamilton, no one’s interested in it.

  82. kenneth chapman says:

    hahaha well said. maybe wolff and lauda will now put out a joint statement, to the effect, ‘nico was motivated to win’ ala horner’s wimpy statment.

  83. George says:

    Hi James, are there any ideas what kind of sanctions Merc came up with?
    Can’t help feeling Ros will still have the points and the lead advantage and in the final reckoning that’s all he’s worried about?
    Thanks for keeping up the dialogue . .

  84. Nic Maennling says:

    So what if Rosberg wins the WDC ? What a hollow victory ! Any doubts about his Monaco stunt have disappeared. Driver changes in the offing. How sad. Silly boy. He is a risk no longer worth taking.

    1. DH says:

      Nope won’t be hollow. It will be a result of a hard fought season and some great wins and podiums. And anyway even if some people feel it would be hollow it would be no more hollow than being gifted the 2008 WDC by Timo Glock!

  85. David Pullen says:

    Well it appears Nico has learnt his lesson, and that is not to abandon your racing line. His attempt to avoid the accident was a mistake. More fun in the future and poor old Mercedes Team orders will go down the pan as they have done in previous races.

  86. Rossco says:

    On another note, where can I get the same jackets that Lewis and Nico have in these pictures/ They are great! I want one badly!

  87. Bullish says:

    Nico did the right thing with the move.

    Nico by attempting the move on Lewis made a statement that he is not to be messed with. As the championship leader, Nico has the upper-hand and needs to maintain it both on the point tally and on the track.

    The result might be that Lewis might be a bit more cautious when battling with Nico as he has more to lose. Advantage Nico

    1. Richard says:

      Nico has the unfair points advantage, but Mercedes will have told him in a similar situation he must conceed the corner to the lead driver, and try again elsewhere. I don’t think Lewis will change his approach at all, he has no need to, he did nothing wrong in that instance.

      1. Robert says:

        Well said Richard!
        I can’t see why just because Nico is leading the championship, it gives him the right to drive or qualify unfairly as shown in Belgium and Monaco! Sorry, but people just need to now acknowledge the fact that Nico has accepted responsibility for the collision in Belgium and apologise!
        Nico has not taken responsibility for Monaco, and has been given the benefit of the doubt! My opinion is that if Nico was given some kind of ‘truth pill’, he would confess to Monaco!

      2. JF says:

        Fair is a schoolyard concept. Rairly occurs in real life. Let’s hope they keep racing.

  88. Rohind says:

    If you suspend your driver or initiate disciplinary proceedings against your driver for every single racing incident, Senna wouldn’t have completed 50 GPS.

    Shame on Mercedes. They are going out of their way to pacify Hamilton

    1. FW14B says:

      “Shame on Mercedes. They are going out of their way to pacify Hamilton”

      I feel this to be true, Rosberg conceding just to keep the peace, just as one would with a younger immature sibling. What has been said behind closed doors to Rosberg is probably something completely different.

    2. aveli says:

      please list racing incidents concerning senna apart from suzuka 1990.

  89. Matt says:

    James just a quick question,

    If the stewards are being more lenient as the season goes on, why was KMag given a 20sec time penalty (Yes he needed some sort of penalty for forcing Alonso off). But that 20 seconds put him completely out of the points. Was it because it was after the last pitstop and a stop-go penalty couldn’t be added? Or was 20seconds fair?

    Yet Alonso only had a 5 second stop-go penalty when he pitted for having team personnel still on the grid after the 15sec/warm up lap start. Not really a drivers fault, was Ferrari further punished for that after the race. Sorry its abit off topic from Ham/Ros topic.

    1. aveli says:

      some drivers are more equal than others.

  90. danny says:

    Enjoy the world title Rosberg.

    1. 24601 says:

      He’ll appreciate your kind comment.

  91. Paige says:

    Totally unacceptable punishment. The Team had to come down hard on Nico. He has a big incentive with a 29 point lead to put himself in the Position to not quite pull off a pass and take Lewis out for the rest of the year. The Team had to Show him there would be consequences for his Championship if he did this, and they failed to seter him. A one-race suspension would have done It.

    1. ChrisS says:

      Take Lewis out for the rest of the year?? He wasn’t trying to break his legs?!!

    2. DH says:

      Paige I reccomend that you read you post again and ask yourself if any part of it is logical

    3. Paige says:


      I didn’t say he would try to take Lewis out the rest of the year. I said that, given his lead in the championship, unless he was punished suitably, he would have an incentive to do what he did at Spa- which was to basically attempt very aggressive and ill-advised moves knowing that the consequences of an incident would not harm him relative to Lewis would likely not harm him in the championship, and could even have the beneficial effect of destabilizing him. Rosberg has shown plenty of the both the willingness to take calculated ill-advised risks (China qualifying) and tactical cynnicism (cutting the chicane in Montreal and floring it to keep Lewis out of passing range going in the next corner, even if he has to give some time back on turn 1 entry) to be willing to take a risk like this. And he was probably motivated heavily by a desire to show he can race wheel-to-wheel with Lewis, which has been a criticism leveled at him this year that is a very castrating one for a racing driver to hear.

  92. Jason says:

    I can see this title being settled in Abu Dhabi with someone in the wall. Assuming Lewis has a reliable car until then, this could all end in tears for one of the two. Lewis needs to nail his head on every weekend, get pole and race away. Sure, Merc will give Nico the tires to attack at the end but he’s not been able to use them to pass even once yet this season. Four Lewis wins, four seconds for Nico and we will have a cliffhanger of a title race.

    I do feel if Nico is ahead at Abu Dhabi, he would rather take both out than lose the title. I can’t say I wouldn’t expect the same of Lewis too come to think of it.

    I’d much rather Nico break down next race or hit someone and take himself out. This would close up the points and then we can have a further 6 races where both are close on points.

  93. Damian says:

    I can’t believe that Mercedes punished their own driver for what was a racing incident.

    And we all know what everyone, including the team, would be saying if it had been Hamilton and not Rosberg: “Lewis is just a fantastic racer and this just shows how hungry he is. He will go for it, and all drivers are aware of this. Contact is inevitable with such hungry drivers”

    1. ChrisS says:

      Correct, but don’t you see it’s because Nico is not the out and out racer!

    2. KRB says:

      I doubt they’d be saying that at all. Nico has now had two rather high-profile incidents of dodgy driving, that have hurt Mercedes’ image, whereas Lewis has had none. Since that Monaco incident, Mercedes all-dominating year has turned sour. They need more 1-2′s, and fast. Ten 1-2′s in a year is the record (Senna-Prost 1988), but that was also over a 16-race season. To emulate that, Mercedes would need to finish 1-2 at the next 4 races.

      They could so easily have had more: GER, HUN, GBR and BEL should all have been 1-2′s, but for reliability, driver error or pitwall mistakes.

      For me, I can’t see the two Merc’s fighting each other in Italy, at least not for the opening laps. I’m sure that Wolff is feeling the heat from the big brass at M-B, and needs a good result right now.

    3. Rossco says:

      Difference is Lewis is would not have made an error like that. At no point was Nico anywhere enough beside him to make a pass on the “OUTSIDE” of the corner. If he was on the inside, sure he has a right… But he didnt… He did this on purpose and he needs to be suitably punished. But that said, his popularity has taken a massive slide and people will know him as the F1 world championship who didnt deserve it.

  94. Robert says:

    I am a huge fan of fair and exciting close racing, and to me, it doesn’t really matter who the driver is quite frankly!
    I now have the best way of describing Nico’s ‘overtaking’ move on Lewis on lap 2 of a 44 lap race is:’Reckless’!
    I think this is the judgment of Mercedes, and all fans of fair and exciting close racing!
    Nico might not have ‘intended’ to take Lewis out of the race, but I think it is too lenient to just call it a ‘clumsy accident’ because Nico was never in a position to overtake on that corner but he didn’t care about the consequences which he knew very well, and that is Reckless!

    Additionally, the top rival drivers, and we the fans, do expect better driving than that from Nico and any driver who wishes to be respected!

    And to Brent wherever you are: Of course we’re making it up as we go along, everyone commenting here and everywhere else are just making up and just releasing some frustration because we couldn’t see a great race because of Nico’s recklessness, and having a bit of fun!?

    Ok, I’m probably going to be banned now! Lol

    1. Random 79 says:

      I think you’re being a bit harsh on Rosberg and maybe you should reyne it in a bit.

      Put simply, his motor’s too fast and he ended up way out west. Some people said that was no excuse for him to hammerhead into the side of Hamilton’s tyre and rip it up, while others agreed that at that point he was just a slave to circumstance, but regardless after that it all came crashing down like a house of cards. He could have just apologised straight away, but instead he stood up and said he did it to prove a point, and whatcha gonna do about it? For myself, I think he mostly said that to bug Hamilton. It didn’t help matters either when Wolff and Lauda came straight out and said little man, you’ve had a busy day.

      From then on as is always the way it’s only natural that there was going to be trouble in paradise, with the Mercedes triumvirate of Wolff, Lauda and Lowe scrambling to stop the fall of Rome.

      Still, now Rosberg’s had his day in the sun and now that there’s a bit of light in the tunnel hopefully we can all put this behind us, but if come Monza Hamilton should find Rosberg behind him again he probably couldn’t be blamed for thinking “oh no not you again”, but he shouldn’t worry too much – any day above ground is a good one and besides, it’s not like Rosberg’s going to do a Maldonado and capsize him.

  95. Robert says:

    Keep it fun, not personal!

  96. Phil Glass says:

    Am I the only one who thinks we aint seen nothing yet?

    Enjoy the lull. Storm is on it’s way.

  97. Richard says:

    I’d be sorry too that this point, knowing that I got 18 points more than my closest rival!

    1. Rachael says:

      Richard, I enjoy your passion for Lewis, but repetition does not strengthen your argument. The downside of repetition is that it becomes boring.

      Internet forums are great platforms for nobody’s to express themselves, but don’t mistake the concept of expression with empowerment. Do you think that Mercedes management are reading these comments? Do you think that if you argue stridently enough that eventually Mercedes will cave in to your demands?

      Did you ever really seriously expect Mercedes to suspend Rosberg? It was never going to happen.
      The team were never going to punish the man leading the world championship.

      And don’t give me any lectures about fairness. The world isn’t fair.

      1. Voodoopunk says:

        “Do you think that if you argue stridently enough that eventually Mercedes will cave in to your demands? ”

        …and to try and convince people that they’re wrong and to accept his point of view, it’s never gonna happen.

      2. Richard says:

        The reason for the repetition is because people repeatedly put the same arguments forward. People will be people I suppose. I actually think none of the things you put forward, and the result, it appears, is exactly as I thought it would be. There is no empowerment, how could there be? There is however an awful lot of ignorance and bigotry on the site, but people are free to express most things they like. As for Lewis he was exactly right about any punishment meated out, although we don’t yet know the detail, but most lightly a fine. As for arguments filtering through, not to Mercedes, but they do into the media it seems. I expect James has a lot of contact with others and items do filter through. Study it more closely and you may pick up on this at some point.

      3. Voodoopunk says:


        “There is however an awful lot of ignorance and bigotry on the site, but people are free to express most things they like.”

        …ad nauseam…

  98. Lord Horn says:

    James, in your opinion, fandoms aside, do incidents like the above, cause a genuine increase or decrease in the overall Formula One viewership?

    1. James Allen says:

      Spa audiences were poor in UK and Italy, (UK: 500k on Sky, 3.2m on BBC) so will be interesting to see whether Italy is an uptick due to the publicity. I would expect it

      1. Richard says:

        I think the Mercedes incident will raise viewing figures. Everyone will be waiting to see the next instalment. I just hope Lewis’s side of the garage are able to get his set up optimised to give him the race pace to fight as often Rosberg’ s car seems better set up as it was initially at least in Spa.

      2. A Cook says:

        How did they measure viewing figures?
        If it were half way through then you can’t blame most of the British public turning off after the “Racing Incedent”

      3. ChrisS says:

        James are the poor viewing figures becoming an increasing trend since SKY have bought the rights to all the races?

        The numbers of people watching the Belgium GP via SKY F1 is poor considering the level of sport, and no it’s not because of the quieter engines!

        If all the races were on BBC, and everyone knew that rather then having to second guess the schedule, the viewing figures probably would have been double that on terrestrial alone. People aren’t watching it because they don’t want to pay and it is not easy enough to know when you can watch it.

      4. Steve C says:

        Surely the reason for poor audience figures in the UK is that the sport takes a full month off then returns on a BH weekend when the average viewer have forgotten all about F1 and probable don’t want to spent their weekend sat in front of a TV watching hybrid cars quietly running around a track.. A break of four weeks is ridiculous if you want to maintain continuous viewing.

        Regarding the comment on the BBC, it was the BBC that dropped the sport and we are lucky that Sky have become BE’s saviour in the UK for picking it up. Had they not done so we would have had very little F1 in the UK let alone a full season available. No other terrestrial TV station seemed interested, or if they did, it would have been swamped with advertising.

        I don’t like Sky as a company but they do a very good job on F1 and I never watch it on the BBC even if they are showing it live as the coverage has bombed out big time. I wish DC would join Sky.

  99. Cedgy says:

    @jamesallen what kind of sanctions or disciplinary actions are they talking about?

  100. ficklesteak says:

    MIssed opportunity for Rosberg:

    “I admit it was .. my .. fault.”

    But not to despair. There will be others.

  101. OldOzzie says:


    further to my comment above,

    your thoughts on Ferrari’s request re engine mechanical changes during the season – My own personal opinion is agreement, that as F! is the pinnacle of Motor Sport, the engine manufacturers should be able to tweek engines during the season, would make for great racing


    “Ferrari have called on Formula One’s rulemakers to consider changing the rules that prevent engine manufacturers from making mechanical changes to its power units during the season.

    Mercedes have constructed a far more powerful turbocharged V6 hybrid engine that their Ferrari and Renault counterparts this season, but because the rules only permit alterations to engine mapping and software, that is likely to Mercedes’ dominance in that regard is likely to continue for the foreseeable future.

    At last week’s Belgian Grand Prix, Ferrari Team Principal Marco Mattiacci told reporters that the sport shouldn’t be as restrictive in its engine regulations if it wants other teams to challenge the status quo.

    “I would like to see a couple of opportunities [allowed] a year to work on the engine,” Mattiacci said.

    “The DNA of Formula 1 is innovating and catching up with the best and fastest one.

    “That’s what we keep, as Ferrari, insisting, and one of the areas [where this can be done] is engine freezing.”

    After a disappointing first half of the season, which saw the Maranello team finish on the podium just twice through Fernando Alonso, Ferrari have recently sacked engine chief Luca Marmorini during an engine department restructure.”

    1. James Allen says:

      They all signed up for the regs as they are. If they were winning they would resist this change!

      1. OldOzzie says:

        James thanks for the reply

        Re “If they were winning they would resist this change!” – point taken

  102. kenneth chapman says:

    if we all move forward to the next seven races i am interested in what others perceive as to be the mercedes race plan vis-a vis team orders.

    my primary understanding, from wolff’s latest statement, is that they are ‘free to race’ but must not have any contact? if they do, then the offending driver will receive an increased penalty! whatever that is supposed to mean is anyones guess.

    how do they presume that they are ‘free to race’ without countenancing the likelihood of some contact and how do they monitor what could be a minor coming together when duelling for a corner or any pass for that matter, in the sense of a ‘racing incident’. to put such onerous conditions on their drivers is extremely problematic, knowing hamilton’s predilection to verbosity on the radio. in all of these incidents there are degrees of involvement meaning that incidents can be classified as to their severity as witnessed by the stewards at spa.

    i really do feel that mercedes are in a tight spot here and IMO they have made a rod for their own back by penalising just one driver over the spa incident. ‘scapegoating’ is just raising the bar for further aggravation…..i think?

    1. Pkara says:

      Sounds like an advert for
      “Have you been in a work base accident?
      , do you suffer from a disability?

    2. Random 79 says:

      No, you’re right.

      As far as I can see what Mercedes have said is that they’re putting their drivers in an impossible situation – they want them to fight for the championship, but they can’t really fight too much for fear of the consequences which means that they’ll likely be tip-toeing around each other…if they stay cool that is, which will become less and less likely as the season draws to a close.

      If it comes down to it and both drivers are on the front row at Abu Dhabi and both still have a good shot at the WDC then all bets are off…unless Ricciardo is still in with a shout at that point in which case my bet’s on him :)

    3. Richard says:

      We don’t know what agenda Mercedes, but they have said the drivers are free to race, however once the constructors championship is in the bag perhaps Rosberg’s car may develop a catastrophic fault that will deliver as some may perceive poetic justice.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ richard…you may well be right and we will soon find out as the WCC is but firmly in their hot little grasping hands.

        this whole episode, in hindsight, has so many issues that may never be fully explained. what i find intrigueing is the message that i posted taken from the transcripts. someone, somewhere took a u-turn and turned the ‘racing incident’ on its head!

        the big question is ‘why’? i am not going to hold my breath whilst waiting for an answer. i do believe that we are have yet to witness the denouement…

    4. C63 says:

      @Kenneth chapman
      to put such onerous conditions on their drivers is extremely problematic, knowing hamilton’s predilection to verbosity on the radio…..

      What on earth has ‘hamilton’s predilection to verbosity on the radio’ got to do with avoiding contact ?
      Incidentally, I don’t see why the conditions are onerous – avoiding ones teammate is rule #1.
      Hey, I have just had a thought – do you think that might be why Merc’s top brass were so hacked off with Rosberg, for specifically choosing not to avoid contact?

  103. Peter Mas of Oz says:

    It seems Nico’s action is not disimilare to another German when he won his first championship by driving into his rival. Remember what happened to Damen Hill in Adelaide.

  104. Raj says:

    It was a basic error of judgement on Nico’s part. He tried to avoid the contact but failed to pull it off by mere inches. Lewis has made this error many times in his past and should understand it but won’t due to his mental state.
    As brilliant as Lewis is in the car, he is equally inept outside the car with his comments, body language and behaviour.
    I for one will not miss Lewis if he does not get a ride for next year as much as I love watching him in the car. A drivers job is much more than driving in the car. They spend more time outside of the car and although it is not being openly said Lewis is a liability for any team, management and sponsor and the only question is whether that liability is less than or more than the results of his driving. If it was my team, I would make the tough call to let him go.

  105. jpinx says:

    Who’s going to take “undisclosed disciplinary action” against the muppets who manage Mercedes — that’s where the fault is. ;)

  106. Mike84 says:

    They will probably give Hamilton the preferred strategy and quali timing for a while, plus Rosberg will have to be the one to yield if they get near each other again.

  107. Bru72 says:

    This whole hooha that’s been kicked up because 2 competitors made contact is pathetic. It was called racing last time I checked, and Senna Prost would do it all the time, then Hill Schumacher etc etc

    1. aveli says:

      if that’s what you call racing, all the drivers would be at it and that’d be carnage.

    2. KRB says:

      Senna-Prost did it all the time? Can you itemize all the times that Senna and Prost made contact with each other as teammates? I count only one time, the time that Prost closed the door on Senna at Suzuka in 1989.

      There was quite a big brouhaha about that contact, as I recall.

    3. M. Cooke says:

      Not to mention the Villenueve/Pironi.

  108. Messala says:

    Rosberg knows what he did. If he wins the title, it will be irretrievably tainted.

    1. albert says:

      As were many , many more , no big deal in history . The last gentleman champion was damon hill .

    2. Pkara says:

      Agreed if Rosberg wins (hope he doesn’t I’d let anyone other than the monaco rick kid win) his title is tainted.
      Let the boo’s follow him from now one.

  109. Elie says:

    My sympathies for all the people who were somehow trying to put the blame on Hamilton & Im more so for the poor souls who are still stuck in last week.

    Im defintely not sorry for anyone who cant see what Mercedes Benz are doing this season. For the folks above you dont have to worry about this bit it- only applies to James and a couple of others

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      @ elie….from my own perspective i have watched the moves made quite a few times and from where i sit i see it as being a very close call. by that i mean ‘both drivers made errors of judgement’ consider the ‘timing’ aspect of it all. there was no way any action such as what we saw could’ve been pre meditated. it wasn’t, and the stewards called it correctly as a ‘ racing incident’ and that is where it should’ve been left. it wasn’t, and mercedes have unintentionally/intentionally inflamed the situation by their subsequent hot headed and irrational public outbursts.

      for your own edification i refer you to the what the preliminary points were in the lead up to the publication of the ‘pit to car transcripts’. in those comments hamilton can be heard to call, ‘he hit me’ and ‘i can’t believe it, he hit me’ then apparently, according to the source, he asked, ‘was it a racing incident’ and he was told ‘yes’. now if these reported comments via the FOM published data are correct then hamilton was told that it wasn’t anything else other than what the stewards worked out for themselves.

      to later, along with lauda and wolff, change their minds and pursue a different mode of attack aimed at rosberg rather clouds the issue somewhat.

      this whole episode has been nothing more than an entertaining diversion but it certainly has brought out into the open those for whom rational disputation is simply too hard. monza may turn out to be nothing more than a ‘tete et tete’ for the two roosters!!!! hahaha

      1. Elie says:

        @kenneth C- My comments above were far bigger picture than this incident because its those things that have defined Mercedes Benz, Nico Rosberg and his current indignation. Lewis public comments are inappropriate but quite clearly have been reacting to significant internal and external disparity in the teams actions and words. I cant imagine any racing driver in the history of F1 asking a team to tell a team mate to let him through after he has just driven from the back of the grid and is fighting only him for the world championship -without some preconceived or predetermined sense of”entitlement”- more so than anything Ive ever seen from anyone. It really exposed mercedes & Nico big time. Only wiser folks have known this since Bahrain and the constant tyre strategies bringing Nico into contention.

        I agree for the most part the incident was simply a frustrated Nico Rosberg who made an error of judgement. At the time I immediately thought ohh hes left his braking a bit late and at the last second hes gone for the switch- back,to go back to the right ( hence peoples misguided thoughts of intentional steering input blah blah .. Nothing more , nothing less.. Regardless of the reason for the incident it is still onerous on the trailing car to position itself better or back out sooner if not along side. It has been mnetioned that the stewards have relaxed their stance on this. Because if you recall Kmag at Malaysia clipped Raikkonen and got a penalty then at China I think he did the same thing and got none..

        I dont have a problem with the stewards decision on its own and they left it with the team which often they do in these situations- just the usual inconsistency throughout the season- make a rule and stick to it.

        What enflamed the whole kuffuffle I feel was that Rosberg was stubbornly hanging on to the notion that he had nothing to say when rightfully,had it been accidental,misjudged- whatever – you walk up to the guy -friend or foe and deal with it..Even if Nico felt it was 50/50 which clearly it wasnt-he should apologise to Lewis and the team because regardless of how you look at it- he initiated an action that cost the team 32 points. The fact he did nothing of any sort on the podium or afterwards suggested he is a very unreasonable ( self mod their). I think in reality any driver in Lewis position would have felt aggrieved not just with the incident but the lack of acknowedgement after the race. Whilst I dont agree with the Laudas and Wolffe public comments directly after the incident again I think Rosbergs dismissive attitude was very infuriating considering both drivers were given one clear directive and it was Nico action that bought it to pass..I think Mercedes are palying along with this new wave of public displays..it keeps them inthe spotlight and people talking good or bad- this what most annoying about F1- engineered everything.

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @ elie….i still find it somewhat difficult to see a connection indicating that the team is favouring one driver at the expense of the other. there have been numerous incidents during the season which have set the scene for a larger ‘contretemps’. yes, this has been brewing for some time but one needs to see the picture from both sides.

        have you considered the point that i brought up re the ‘in-car transcripts’ as i said, this indicates that hamilton’s original outburst was spontaneous and when he asked ‘was it a racing incident?’ he was told ‘yes’. my point is this, hamilton, knew the teams position at that time….then why was it changed by the time the race ended?

        @ C63….IMO, for wolff and lauda to form such a forceful opinion without sitting down with rosberg in a debrief was wrong. consider the overall situation. the stewards ruled a ‘racing incident’. they didn’t even think it was necessary to put the incident up for ‘investigation’. therefore they were crystal clear in their thinking. mercedes should’ve left it like that. they had already told hamilton over the team radio that it was a racing incident! any internal dissension could then have been ironed out in a private and confidential meeting. it was hamilton who chose to inflame the situation by his public comments.

      3. Elie says:

        [mod] Nico Rosberg has just said this ;-

        “In hindsight, the collision was my responsibility because I was the car trying to overtake, so I have to accept that I made a mistake and to apologise.’
        And he had copped an undisclosed 6 figure penalty for it.
        Had he done this 2 Sundays ago– none of us would be doing this would we…Lewis wouldnt say what he say, Lauda & Wolff wouldnt either…

        Nothing else regarding the ontrack of this incident, Nothing… Let it go for goodness sake.. Move on..

    2. C63 says:

      ref Toto and Niki public outbursts.

      I am not so sure they were outbursts. The incident happened on lap 2, and for the remainder of the race Toto, Niki and Prof Dr Thomas Weber [the Mercedes main board member] were seen chatting. They also met Hamilton when he retired his car. I think their post race statements had been carefully considered and co-ordinated – they may have wished it to appear as if they were furious and couldn’t contain themselves but they had ample time to discuss this, and it’s inconceivable (to me) they hadn’t thought very carefully about how to play this with the public.
      Why they played it this way is perhaps the real question.

      1. C63 says:

        having re-read my post, I just wanted to clarify my meaning. I am not saying they (Toto and Niki) weren’t massively pi##ed off with Rosberg – he had cost them a near certain 1-2 finish. My point is, they chose to show their feelings despite having had plenty of time to consider their options.

      2. Elie says:

        @C63 as I said “Mercedes are playing along with this new wave of public displays…..”

  110. German Samurai says:

    This is utter madness.

    It was a racing incident. Hamilton tried to push his way onto the racing line when he knew Rosberg was on his left, and Rosberg who has been ‘chopped’ by Hamilton numerous times decided to stand his ground.

    9/10 times it’s Rosberg that comes of second best in that situation where a front wing gets clipped.

    Mercedes have lost the plot placating Hamilton’s ego.

    Did they punish Hamilton for petulantly ignoring directives from the team in the Hungarian Grand Prix? The double standards are appalling.

  111. Robert says:

    It’s really strange to me how people watch F1 and come to some of their conclusions!

    I am a big fan of F1 and have been watching racing for over 30 year, and if we’re solely talking about the Belgian incident (not Bahrain), then there is no way that anyone can describe Lewis as ‘chopping’ across Nico (the in-car video shows that Lewis’s car was almost a full car ahead of Nico in the corner)! As for Nico’s ‘overtaking’ move, he was at no time even half a car-length alongside Lewis’s car and the only reason Nico’s car was faster was because he was in Lewis’s slipstream!

    Anyway, I think it is quite evident up and down the paddock, with people who really knows and are important to the sport, like team managers and top F1 drivers, have already agreed that Nico was at fault and should had backed out!

    The only reason that the stewards did not do anything is because it took them only ’10 seconds’ to make their decision, and that’s wrong when you consider that we’re talking about the 2 title contenders, not 2 drivers at the back of the field!

    To me the only debate is not who’s to blame for the accident (as that’s squarely on Nico as in fact 9 times out of 10, this move will cause a puncture to the car in front, as Nico well knew), it’s how Mercedes dealt with the incident! And to me, then and now with hind-sight, they dealt with it absolutely correctly!

    1. Voodoopunk says:

      “It’s really strange to me how people watch F1 and come to some of their conclusions!”

      Ditto, especially when all they try to do is convince other people that they’re wrong.

    2. German Samurai says:

      So you agree that Hamilton should have been punished for hitting Button in Germany and Alonso should have been punished for hitting Vettel at Spa?

  112. kenneth chapman says:

    @ james, a couple of points. some time back i asked if you could possibly run a small article covering the ‘fuel flow meters’ argy bargy at the beginning of the season and i was rather hoping that mark gillan might help us out. after all it may well finish up being a decider, apropos the points scored by ricciardo, if he gets within a bull ‘roar’ of the front runners. i know that this is highly unlikely but it would be interesting to know what the wash up really was.

    my second point was, how difficult would it be for you to post the FOM released transcripts of the ‘pit to car’ records, redacted and all as they are? sometimes a completely new race construction can be defined when taking these calls into consideration. i must admit my reason for requesting this is just to confirm what i heard on the FOM compilation tape and confirmed by keith collantine. that alone seems to offer a different perspective on the whole issue.like who was it that confirmed the ‘racing incident’ and it also begs the question as to who, in mercedes, changed the official opinion and savaged rosberg in the fall out?

    i am sure that you have more than enough on your plate but these add ons would be most welcome by all, i should think. merci

  113. Super Si says:

    The only deterrent from committing foul play in sport is by points deductions/suspensions.
    If Rosberg’s points are safe from this, then he will see no reason why to stop doing this.
    Rosberg will be delighted with this result, as I feel he has got off light.
    I’m not surprised that Hamilton fans are feeling a bit niffed after all this.

  114. xellent12 says:

    Interesting fact guys…. re tyres on punctures

    1. BarryF says:

      Well this is Brundle flip-flopping. To his credit he kept thinking about it though.

      He’d talked earlier about how EASILY the tyre sidewalls puncture, now suddenly it was difficult! The fact he was tiptoeing round is that you only have to INCLUDE the vulnerable band in the contact, with the great big endplate. You don’t have to be exact – It’s not really a small target.

      Now after looking at the onboard frame by frame he’s said it was a moment of anger by Rosberg i.e. deliberate.

  115. Sebee says:

    Welcome to F1 Max! Get it out of your system before joining the grid.

  116. C63 says:

    Hi james , the email notification of a reply to my posts has not been working for a while – it stopped when the new website went live, it then started again and has now stopped for several weeks.
    Is it just me or is this a system problem at ‘ your end ‘ ?

    1. James Allen says:

      The odd mention of it, but we’re replicating the situation and getting the notifications. Maybe an issue with your mail server

      1. C63 says:

        not sure what could have changed at my end – all my other emails are coming through as normal. Just checking whether you had changed anything – someone mentioned you were trying to stop replies from getting through by email before they had been modded.

      2. James Allen says:

        Not trying to do that, no

      3. AlexD says:

        James, I also wantto say that now notifications are working, but something is still wrong. I get email notification, I click on a link and I see that the comment is not there in your website. There is a delay between notification and when comments actually appear. Confusing.

      4. James Allen says:

        Notification is sent out when a comment is made

        Comment appears here on site when (or if..) I passes moderation

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      @ C63…i had the same problem some weeks ago but it is fine now. incorrect email address was the problem.

  117. goob says:

    Why are so many talentless drivers getting WDCs in recent years?


    and now Rosberg possibly…

    This could also explain the dwindling viewing figures… F1 is over skewed by money. Sport should be about the best gladiator – not the prettiest lady.

    1. Bradley says:

      Don’t forget Hamilton and Massa. And since they’re clearly all talentless, you can always add Alonso and Schumacher as well.

    2. German Samurai says:

      Hamilton barely beat Massa when he won a championship, and he’s struggling to beat his journeyman teammate in 2014. You can add him to the list.

      1. Lady F1 says:

        Yes Hamilton only just beat his journeyman teammate in 2007 also.

  118. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    Please James, could you add what “disciplinary measure” could be taken by Mercedes against ROSBERG?

    Just money? A clause in the contract saying you pay penalties if you do something against the team rules, like not avoiding a crash with the teammate?

    Fans we really like to know…

    1. Mike from Medellin says:

      Probably no more than speeding in the pit lane.
      Rosberg or his Dad would have no problem paying this price to buy themselves 18 points.

  119. GRLap says:

    In thirty years can we expect a Hollywood movie from Ron Howard chronicling the intense rivalry between Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg in the 2014 F1 season?

    What would be a good title? “Rush” has already been used, as has “Winning”; how about “Whining”.

    1. Mike from Medellin says:

      What would the title be….”Sabotage”…”Stitch-up”…?

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        maybe a good title would be ‘RASH’ as in decision!!!!!

  120. AVS says:

    In my view the race stewards should have given Nico Rosberg a drive-through or a stop and go penalty whilst the race was on (causing a collision) This type of punishment has been handed out many times so why not on this occasion?

    Poor Stewarding if you consider that they where fighting not only for the race lead but are the only contenders for the drivers world championship. The poor decision making skills by the stewards has now affected the points standing in a negative way.

    In my view.

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      they didn’t hand out a penalty as there was no ‘infringement’. simple as……..

  121. kn says:

    Hey James, in light of the escalation of aggression in the Ukraine implicating Russian forces, I was wondering if you could examine the issues surrounding the Russian GP.

    1. James Allen says:

      Yes it is getting towards time to do that

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      @ KN….the issue of the russian race should be open to review. i have always contended that F1 should at all times be exclusively apolitical. if a race is planned then they should ignore all the politics, go and race then leave therefore fulfilling their obligations to the country of origin and the fans.

      however i am now of the opinion that this race should possibly be suspended owing to the rapid descent into what will most likely be a major confrontation. news sources have conclusively shown evidence of a russian invasion of troops and tanks. with the threat of even stronger sanctions against the putin regime i have difficulty in seeing how this race can continue.

      given the atrocities already notched up by the ‘rebels’ i would expect that for a lot of people a race sanctioned by the FIA/FOM would be abhorrent. needless to say, if a race is held, i will most certainly be watching.

      1. aveli says:

        f1 doesn’t recieve votes from any political party so why should they get involved in politics?

    3. aveli says:

      unless the team members are in danger there is no reason why f1 shouldn’t go to russia.

  122. eric says:

    I read the ‘suspend’ Nico threads and laughed. Sure, Ayrton should have been suspended. Prost should have been suspended. This is racing folks! Grow up.

  123. Liam M says:

    Senna would not have apologised.

  124. C63 says:

    final test

  125. Sergio says:

    ROS responses to the “media pressure” and the (this time) acclaimed TEAM ORDERS. “We all know that HAM would never try to overtake ROS in the begining of the race”. Whats this? A joke? This is a non sense commanded by English media (a big market for Mercedes). They attack team orders, then they defend team orders, they defend agresivity of drivers and motorsport, then atack agresivity of drivers. I understand if you have power, you have to use it, and they do, but there is no journalism, it’s a media looby making pressure.

  126. Paige says:

    I’ve thought about what “suitable measures” they claim to have taken against Nico could possibly be. A fine certainly doesn’t fit this. Everyone knows a fine will not get a driver’s attention in this situation. And whatever punishment they may have given Nico would have to have given the message to their drivers that they say they gave, which is that contact will not be tolerated.

    After thinking about it, there are very subtle ways they could punish Nico that would put him at a competitive disadvantage to Lewis for a period of time to give him the message. One thing that has been talked about a lot as a key point in the equality policy is that they switch off the first choice of when to go out for the flying lap in Q3. This is often a major advantage, as you can hit the track at it’s gripiest point of the day for your flying lap. They could have done something such as give Lewis the first choice of when to go out for Q3 for a period of races. That would have been a fair punishment for Nico and would have given the message that you two are lucky to drive for a team with the quickest car, so don’t crash into your teammate or we will be more than happy to watch you finish second.

    1. kartarece says:

      And howz aboutt lead shoes as well, just to keep it more radical.

  127. kartarece says:

    Using same principles I hope Mercedes will put brakes on Lewis skirmishes as well.

  128. Alan says:

    I used to be a Hamilton fan but since reading some of the rubbish posted in support of Lewis I have reversed my opinion. I am first and foremost an F1 fan and am getting fed up hearing all the hype and tripe spouted on Hamiltons behalf. Does any body who is a real F1 fan as opposed to a Hamiltom sycophant really believe that Mercedes would be stupid enough to suspend Rosberg he is the championship Leader after all so why would Mercedes shoot themselves in the foot. I don’t recall a great Hugh and cry when Vettel ran into Webber in Turkey of course not because he was not the idol of the British press. Get real folks Lewis may be a good driver he may yet turn out to be a great driver but he needs to step up many paces in maturity to be even considered alongside most of the greats I have been fortunate to see over the last 40 years

  129. Russell D says:

    The gentlemen in the sport are disappearing fast the ones that respect Driver etiquette. You still see it today but is generally the older more experienced drivers who give up a line to avoid a collision and keep racing. Our newer Wold Champions must win at any cost even to the determent of their team mate example Malaysia last year and the present incident. The money and the expectation to perform are huge on the drivers today and I do not see that changing in the short term.

    “There are ways of winning and being a Champion, but doing both well is the real challenge”.

  130. Rocky says:

    Today, Alonso, Vettel and Hulkenberg say Nico did not need to apologize



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