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Ricciardo takes third win as Hamilton-Rosberg collision wrecks Mercedes’ race
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Posted By: Justin Hynes  |  24 Aug 2014   |  3:03 pm GMT  |  583 comments

Daniel Ricciardo took a sensational third win of the season as a second-lap clash between Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton saw the German finish second after he shipped front wing damage. Hamilton eventually retired after a puncture sustained in the collision dropped him to the back of the field.

Ricciardo, who had started fifth, then passed Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso and team-mate Sebastian Vettel to claim the lead. Mercedes attempted a three-stop plan to give Rosberg a shot at passing the Australian in the closing stages on soft tyres but a flawless drive saw the Australian take the chequered flag with 3.3s seconds in hand to claim his second win in a row.

Behind the front two, Valtteri Bottas took his fourth podium finish of the year, ahead of Spa specialist Kimi Raikkonen, for whom fourth represents a best result of the season.

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The final stages were characterised by thrilling battle for fifth-place as Kevin Magnussen, Fernando Alonso, Jenson Button and Sebastian Vettel went wheel-to-wheel through the final three laps.

It was Vetttel who came out on top, thanks to fresher tyres. Magnussen was sixth ahead of Button and Alonso, whose race had been hampered by an early penalty received when his crew had remained on the grid too long prior to the formation lap.

Before the start, the Ferrari driver’s car was still on jacks as the parade lap began and though he finally got going, members of his crew were still on the grid inside the 15-second cut-off point before the formation lap. It would later earn him a five-second stop-go penalty.

At the start Hamilton got the jump on a slow-starting Rosberg and stole into the lead on the run up to La Source. Vettel too made a good start and passed his fellow German around the outside. Vettel then attempted to overtake Hamilton into Les Combes but outbraked himself, ran wide and rejoined behind Rosberg.

Screen Shot 2014-08-24 at 16.31.23The drama wasn’t over, however. On the following lap Rosberg attempted a pass on the outside of his team-mate at Les Combes, but as Hamilton held his line and Rosberg kept going the pair collided, the right side of Rosberg’s front wing clipping the rear left-tyre of Hamilton’s car.

The Briton immediately swerved off track with a puncture while Rosberg shipped heavy front-end damage. Hamilton limped back to the pits for a new wheel, but while Rosberg reported much damage he was told to stay out and see how matters developed.

Behind the front two, Ricciardo was on the move, passing Alonso at Les Combes. He was soon on Vettel’s tail and overtook his team-mate when the champion ran wide at Pouhon. The Australian then set off after Rosberg who appeared to be suffering badly due to the front wing damage. Ricciardo closed to within a second and Mercedes took the decision to pit the leader for a new wing and medium tyres. The Red Bull driver assumed the lead.Screen Shot 2014-08-24 at 16.36.06

Valtteri Bottas too was making a move. The Finn passed Alonso for third on lap eight, overtaking the Ferrari under DRS on the Kemmel Straight.

Rosberg was soon in trouble again. On lap 10 he picked up some debris on the track while racing down the Kemmel Straight. The debris became entangled in the aerial on the nose cone of his car and fluttered dangerously around his steering wheel.

Alonso, meanwhile, was handed a five-second stop-go penalty by the stewards, which he elected to serve during the first round of stops.

That round of stops was completed by the end of lap 15. Ricciardo, on softs, still led, with Kimi Raikkonen now second ahead of Vettel. Rosberg, who took on medium tyres during his stop, was now fourth ahead of Bottas, Magnussen and Alonso. Hamilton was now 16th and some 16 seconds adrift of Sauber’s Adrian Sutil.

On lap 16 Rosberg attempted to pass Vettel for third place but ran wide under braking and the error allowed Bottas to close and eventually pass the Mercedes driver under DRS on the following lap as the pair raced down the long Kemmel Straight.

Rosberg then reported that he was getting significant vibration from the tyre he had lit up attempting the pass on Vettel and he was forced to pit again on lap 19, taking on more medium rubber. He rejoined in 11th place but was soon up to ninth behind Sergio Perez.

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Raikkonen made his second stop from second place on lap 21, taking on medium tyres. Vettel took his set of mediums on lap 22 and rejoined in P8. Ricciardo pitted from the lead on lap 27, taking on medium tyres, which he would race to the flag. Bottas now assumed the lead, having stopped just once, ahead of Rosberg who had made two stops and carved his way through the pack.

Bottas pitted on the very next lap, which promoted Rosberg back to the lead he had lost on lap eight. The German, on 10-lap-old medium tyres, would need to stop again, though with Bottas rejoining in fifth and new third-place man Raikkonen also possibly requiring another stop, Rosberg was told he was a “safe second”.

On lap 31, Bottas passed Vettel for fourth place and seemed set to secure his podium place as both Vettel and third-placed Raikkonen looked set to take on fresh tyres, whereas Bottas was on a two-stop plan.

With 10 laps to go Rosberg and Vettel made their stops, with both taking on soft tyres, aimed at utilising the tyre’s better pace to see what they could achieve against the two-stoppers on ageing prime tyres.

Rosberg rejoined in fourth and quickly dismissed Bottas and Raikkonen, but now the German was 22 seconds down on Ricciardo. That was simply too big a gap to make up to the Australian and the Mercedes driver settled in the end for his safe second place.

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Behind him Raikkonen defied expectation, the Finn attempting to cling on to third on the set on prime tyres he had taken on at the end of lap 21. It was a brave choice but ultimately one that failed as Bottas, breezed past the Ferrari on the Kemmel Straight four laps from home.

With Raikkonen secure in fourth, a furious battle developed for fifth. Magnussen held fifth but a train was building up behind him, featuring Alonso, Button and the hard-charging Vettel.

A titanic battle ensued, with at times, the drivers racing four abreast on the run to Les Combes. Vettel eventually made his better pace on newer tyres tell and he went on to claim fifth ahead of Magnussen, Button and Alonso. It wasn’t without a price though and Magnussen was placed under investigation after the race for his driving during the period. He was later handed a drive-through penalty and had 20 seconds added to his time, which dropped him to 12th in the classification.

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The penalty meant Button would be classified sixth, with Alonso seventh ahead of Sergio Perez, Daniil Kvyat, while Nico Hulkenberg took the final point on offer.

At the front, Ricciardo took a calm and controlled third career win, to leave him on 156 points, just 35 behind championship contender Hamilton, who stays on 191 points. Rosberg, meanwhile, moves to 220 points and a healthy title lead as the championship heads towards Monza.

2014 Belgian Grand Prix – Race
1 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing 44 Winner 5 25
2 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 44 +3.3 secs 1 18
3 Valtteri Bottas Williams 44 +28.0 secs 6 15
4 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 44 +36.8 secs 8 12
5 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing 44 +52.1 secs 3 10
6 Kevin Magnussen McLaren 44 +54.2 secs 7 8
7 Jenson Button McLaren 44 +54.5 secs 10 6
8 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 44 +61.1 secs 4 4
9 Sergio Perez Force India 44 +64.2 secs 13 2
10 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 44 +65.3 secs 11 1
11 Nico Hulkenberg Force India 44 +65.6 secs 18
12 Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso 44 +71.9 secs 12
13 Felipe Massa Williams 44 +75.9 secs 9
14 Adrian Sutil Sauber 44 +82.4 secs 14
15 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber 44 +90.8 secs 20
16 Max Chilton Marussia 43 +1 Lap 19
17 Marcus Ericsson Caterham 43 +1 Lap 22
18 Jules Bianchi Marussia 39 +5 Laps 16
Ret Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 38 +6 Laps 2
Ret Romain Grosjean Lotus 33 +11 Laps 15
Ret Pastor Maldonado Lotus 1 +43 Laps 17
Ret Andre Lotterer Caterham 1 +43 Laps 21
 

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  1. greg says:

    Welcome back Kimi fans!

    1. Phil Glass says:

      It’s been tough!
      Now we’re set for a fight with miracle man!! (we hope)

      1. Elie says:

        I love to think so but Im not seeing a dramatic change.Kimi will be much closer since the new parts before Hungary have helped but the chassis characteristics are highly unfavourable to Kimi-mostly understeer-Allison has made that very clear and every time they try to “balance” it they loose grip in the rear with these complex cars- so at best it will be a peacemeal which is not something you can excel with. Obviously driver tracks like Barcelona, Monaco, Hungary and Spa he has shown hes lost nothing- I expect similar stuff at Singapore ,USA, Suzuka and Brazil if no more dramas – but next year – fingers crossed Ferrari build a neutral chassis that can be more readily adaptable AND a better PU !

    2. deancassady says:

      hopefully this is a milestone, Ferrari machinery more competitive and reversed comparatives of the teammates, incidentally.
      a podium in Monza would be sweeter than maple syrop…

      1. Arshad says:

        Only if this turtle Ferrari machinery had a bit more power and helped Kimi held on to his position in the straights.

      2. Yago says:

        No reversed comparatives… Fernando was still considerably quicker, I would say massively quicker, but in the race it is hard to read (but possible, see the team statements where they say Fernando would have ended in the podium without a doubt) due to the circumstances.

      3. Nickh says:

        Ferrari’s development seems to be going surprisingly well with Kimi in the team, they’ve moved on an awful lot. This is even on a track with 2 huge straights. Remember how slow they were in Bahrain? Last year with Alonso and Massa the development was non-existent

    3. YouWho says:

      We never ever left. Like Kimi said after the race hes had plenty of decent speed in other races masked by problems beyond his control that is undoubted fact. He is also not getting carried away because he knows they are still a long way off & that is what we love about him never settles for 4th- he pushes (himself and the team) only for the win- this is what will move Ferrari forward (not much more this year) , hes not someone saying he drove 110% and not improving the car, treating it like a win..Kimi is understated hes not a w/ker.

      1. greg says:

        I think you got the wrong idea… I am a MASSIVE Kimi fan, to the point of worshipping him.

      2. YouWho says:

        No Greg I get it . Im not having a go Im just backing up what you said. Appreciate the saying but just clarifying for others we never actually left and never will!!
        Cheers mate

    4. Basil says:

      Thanks!

  2. Con Sphiracey says:

    C’mon Lewis, give Nico room . . .
    You cost him 1st place today . . .

    1. Trey Oylekach says:

      All’s fair in love, war and F1 –
      Despite Eddie J’s post-race rant.

  3. Dr T says:

    Please keep Eddie Jordan off the podium…

    1. Michael Powell says:

      I thought Eddie was very good on the podium and the baying nutters in the grandstand were put in their place.

      Eddie took a different position, as sometimes he does, in the TV broadcast a little later. He lambasted Mercedes management for lack of control. It’s racing, folks, we expect a little serendipity.

      Mercedes have too many managers. It was flagged up over winter as being top heavy, and Ross was there too back then. What do all these corporate guys do, exactly?

      Anyway, the highest paid guys in the company get sent out on the track, so leave it to them. And they are providing a great theatrical experience.

    2. hotAir-O-foil says:

      . . . and the rest of the paddock too, please.

  4. Sebee says:

    Ricciardo is an Australian Staghound!  Give him a sniff of P1 and he hunts it down as if it is a kangaroo and brings it home like a boomerang!  Enough Oz for ya?  Is this a late season comback by RBR to push this Championship?   I hope so!

    Did you see worshippers at concessions area by Eau Rouge in the aerials?   Guess they don’t remember the first few of the 10 Commandments. But then again church of F1 Gods is very pleasing to the senses and hard to resist.  Share the videos of Lap 1 if you were standing in the sea of humanity. 

    Hey, was BBC testing a new fan-vote punishment system on Rosberg with some facial debris slaps?  Shame on you if you voted for that!  I guess we have a villain in F1 now, even if he is a nice guy.  Nico has learned from years with Schumi that he’ll have time to be nice after 40. Works well for German drivers to not be liked by British fans, doesn’t it? :-)

    1. Quercus says:

      Your last sentence is instructive.

      Eddie Jordon had it right when he said, “Nico knew that if he lost the first corner to Lewis, he [HAM] was gone”.

      ROS was more than clumsy. He was desperate and unsporting–and he knew it. Did you see his body language after the race? If the roles were reversed, HAM would not want to gain points over a rival this way. That’s why he’s so loved.

      1. Michael Powell says:

        Ummm….are you watching the same F1 that I am? Nico is not a pantomime villain, and Lewis is certainly not the Good Fairy, it’s more complicated than that.

        This rivalry, and friendship, goes back a decade or more, and has been intense. You just cannot look at one isolated event and build a gallows.

        It’s going to run on and on, and we are getting more than we bargained, or paid, for in a season which was pretty well a foregone conclusion from about the middle of 2012. This is much, much, much better than the dull as ditchwater Schumacher and Vettel years.

        Notice how nobody is complaining about the engines noise any more, it’s drowned out by the racket from the drivers and the crowd.

    2. Sebee says:

      Lewis is just not playing it right.  What the hell is he doing yapping publicly like a little baby about team meeting that took place behind closed doors?  I didn’t know how badly Nico has his number.

      1. Andrew M says:

        You capacity for bias in the face of one driver admitting he deliberately crashed into another is quite spectacular. Not surprising, I’ve long given up on that when it comes to anti-Hamiltonism, but spectacular nonetheless.

      2. Anthony says:

        Are you sure?

        Lewis hasn’t put a foot wrong on the track all season and he’s been badly let down by Mercedes reliability issues on a number of occasions and arguably been let down by Mercedes management’s inexperience on several others (strategy, team orders etc).

        He was right in Hungary and the team admitted as much and changed it’s policy accordingly. So if Nico is upset it’s because he, in effect, lost a political battle within the team over that race. He now knows that the car in front will stay in front absent racing conditions, and they will both run the same strategy as a consequence.

        Lewis won the internal battle. Lewis, in making those comments public also won the PR war and made it clear in doing so that Rosberg’s actions in Monaco were deliberate and now has the benefit of the doubt in any further incident this season.

        I imagine that from management’s view, on more than one occasion, Rosberg has deliberately placed his teammate’s health at risk, destroyed Mercedes races, risked his own race, AND risked the WDC and WCC.

      3. Olivier says:

        It is knockdown Eight Count for Lewis. The question is will he get up before the ref counts to 8?

        First he got a Flash Knockdown by mister nice guy on Saturday. Lewis blamed the glazing of the brakes.

        On Sunday however he got a Kidney Punch that made him kiss the canvas.

        Rosberg did make clear his intentions for the second half of the season. He is very determined to get that Championship.

        Lewis, you got seven days to rise up again. The ref is counting. Britney is gonna hit you one more time … it is going to be a fascinating end of season.

      4. Gazza says:

        “What the hell is he doing yapping publicly like a little baby about team meeting that took place behind closed doors?”

        Whats the problem? You moan about drivers being corporate robots yet when one speaks his mind publicly he,s ……”a little baby” …….well that really mature of you.

      5. Nikos says:

        Right. Toto was crying like a baby as well then, and so did Niki before and
        after that meeting took place! Get a grip!!!

      6. Kev says:

        He is ‘inflicting’ pain :)

      7. Sharply Unclear says:

        RE: yapping publicly.

        Rosberg made a monumental error of judgement but I couldn’t agree more about Hamilton’s handling of the situation. Whinging Pom?

      8. Brian Bell says:

        How did your hero do today? I turned the race off after the fastest driver was limping around with a puncture. Given that the slow driver in the fast car had front wing damage….there is no question that the driver in 3rd should have won? He does have the second fastest car…DR keeps showing us this.

      9. Steve Zodiac says:

        Because he is absolutely furious and can’t see why he has to gagged so allowing Rosberg to claim that it just an unfortunate accident and thus keep the high ground. If Nico didn’t do his utmost to avoid this collision then he is totally guilty and Mercedes are right to hold him responsible and apply a suitable sanction. Anyway I am sure if Mercedes had wanted it kept private they would have made it clear to the drivers.

      10. Carl says:

        [mod] Nico is to blame foe the incident end of. If he did do this on purpose then he is no better than any other cheat!
        LH is rightly p****d off and NR would has done the same if the boot was on the other foot..

      11. JohnBt says:

        Hey Sebee, Nico made a mistake which was very obviously his fault, Alonso too made a mistake with Vettel. I think if Nico had apologised it’ll be very different scenario.

        The next two weeks will be the Nico done it affair.

      12. Sebee says:

        Andrew M – because a sissy goes and cries like that. A man like Senna, Schumi, Prost would find a way to handle this like a man. Like it or not, Nico handled Lewis like a man – on track. I respect it.

        Anthony – blah blah blah to what they say to please Lewis. Seems to me they said repeatedly that Nico was their best shot at win in Hungary. And even recently they said again Lewis should have not got in way of Nico.

        Gazza – Lewis should either handle thing on track, or if he wants to cry about it he shouldn’t drag Niki and Toto to clean up the PR mess he creates with his outbursts. You can be 100% certain they don’t appreciate it.

        I swear to you, I respect Nico hugely over what he has shown. He is a man among boys He handles his business on the race track exclusively. Lewis cries and pleads off the race track. He is crushing Lewis mentally. It is amazing how easy he makes it look.

      13. kenneth chapman says:

        @ andrew M…you are simply wrong and deliberately twisting words to suit your own agenda. did you actually read the statement from wolff who is as close to the action as is possible he stated that ‘rosberg did not deliberately crash into hamiltion. that’s just nonsense’.

      14. Gazza says:

        “Crushed Mentally”…..hilarious!!

        Did you see the post race interviews? Lewis was calm, considered, thoughtful and pragmatic.

        Nico looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights, unable to answer any questions, stilted.

        “Man among boys” …….you’re conversion from Vettel fan to anti Hamilton commentator is now complete …..please move over to PF1:)

    3. Anthony says:

      Villain for sure… Rosberg appears to have been enormously stupid.

      Rosberg’s post race comments, repeated by Hamilton and confirmed (albeit defended) by Wolff, put a very different gloss on the Monaco incident and should give Mercedes mangement some serious pause for thought. Even his post-race public comments make it appear that he bears ill-will toward Hamilton over incidents as far back as Bahrain.

      This win bought Ricciardo within 35 points of Hamilton, with double points in play that puts the WDC AND WCC at risk for Mercedes, if Redbull or Williams make a technological leap then a cake walk could turn into a wipe out very easily.

      Even worse for Rosberg this is career defining stuff, much like Schumacher vs Hill in 1994. It opens up questions of judgement, trust, and suitability under pressure leaving serious questions in the minds of potential team principles and team mates.

      Schui being Schui got away with this kind of stuff, good as he is, Rosberg isn’t Schumacher.

      1. Nick says:

        Anyone who bases their opinion on what comes out of Hamilton’s mouth are as immature, stupid and foolish as Hamilton himself.

        Just because Hamilton said it, doesn’t make it so. Unfortunately, despite his proven record of verbal diorreah, people still seem to take what he says at face value. Very silly.

        A prime example was Monaco this year where he declared to the world that he was on the pole lap and was 2 tenths up in the first sector. This is utter nonsense. He was STILL behind Rosbergs time when he hit yellows, as shown and proven by Sky, but people still bleat like parrots that Hamilton was ahead. He wasn’t.

        If Hamilton told me the sky was blue I’d stick my head outside to check for myself, such is my well founded distrust in everything that comes out of that petulant child’s mouth.

      2. Michael Powell says:

        In case nobody has seen the previous races in this season, let me point out that Lewis has cut across Rosberg several times, used an unauthorised power setting to gain unfair advantage, and refused to move over under clear, unambiguous and relevant team orders.
        [mod]

    4. Kenty says:

      Well, I like Nico…

    5. Ahmed Sydney says:

      Whoever sais Rosberg did it deliberately knows jack about racing! Think of the possibilities of an intentional collision:
      1)damage to Rosbergs front wing, no damage to Hamiltons tyre, handing Hamilton a win & possible DNF to Rosberg
      2) DNF to both drivers
      3)small likelihood of a puncture to Hamilton & slight damage to Rosbergs front wing

      There is no way any driver could deliberately know the outcome. We don’t know what was said behind closed doors at Mercedes, however from Rosbergs comments, I believe that he was sick of always giving in to Hamiltons aggressive defending, I.e Hamilton aggressively defending and cutting across / forcing Rosberg wide or off track at China & Bahrain etc. in both races Rosberg had to take evasive action to avoid collisions. Watch a replay before commenting.

      Pure speculation but I believe Rosberg has said “why is it always me that has to yield” & Hamilton knows/expects Rosberg to always yield. Rosberg decided to stand up for himself, however in this instance I believe it was Rosbergs fault, but not intentional. What this will do is make Hamilton think twice before cutting across/aggressively defending from Rosberg in future races.

      1. James Allen says:

        I think your final para is on the money

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        i also think that this a fair summary. wolff has already stated that hamilton’s claim that rosberg did it on purpose is ‘nonsense’.

      3. Sebee says:

        Yup. Champions don’t let others walk on them. This was ruthless and 100% right. Niki better respect that because Niki would do exactly the same thing 40 years ago and today. Nico just passed a major test on what it takes to be a champion. He just earned a black belt. Legendary stuff, and after talking about teenagers and easy to drive cars, glad to see F1 of old is alive and well. Man settling things like a man. Talk is cheap Lewis. Lewis got leveled in this round – end of.

      4. Paul L says:

        Totally agree with Ahmed Sydney – no-one on the right side of sanity would deliberately cause a collision, with so much at stake. Nico has repeatedly shown his focus is on the end-game (Driver’s Championship), not every little on-track battle, and the results are on the board. Lewis once again has displayed his emotions are getting the better of him – yes he has had some bad luck this year, but he is routinely being out-classed by his more level-headed teammate.

        As for Daniel’s race – brilliant. Opportunistic pass of Vettel at the start, but no question that he had superior pace and flawless strategy. I see a Colgate contract in his near future.

        A great race in the end – the final 10 laps I had to watch again as there was so much going on!

      5. Tim says:

        The whole attitude of “racing line” in racing needs to go away. Armchair fans need to accept that “racing” is different to qualifying, and it’s simply not acceptable to drive, in a race, like you’re the only one who’s on a track. We see too many incidents where racing is ruined because it’s unacceptable to use anything other than a single line, and one or another driver is “entitled” to one line.
        The simple fact here is that once again, a driver was run out of room because another didn’t respect that there’s another car on the track – in this case, Hamilton using all available room and coming across such that Nico would have to run off the black stuff.

        It needs to end. If you need to take a slower line to safely keep both yourself and another driver on track, that’s racing.

      6. erik says:

        This is too obvious to even mention. Rosberg hasn `t got the talent of Hamilton and that is why he always finds himself in a situation where he has to yield. That is what best drivers do – gives a competitor a choice – to crash or yield, because getting pass card is not even on the table. And only best can play the game. Rosberg belongs to club where crash or yield cards are the strongest cards.

        Stating the obvious and clapping is just sad but norm.

      7. Vivek says:

        Me agrees with the final para too. I think it is spot on. A pity that this is how it had to play out.

      8. Fernando 150% Alonso says:

        +1000

      9. Michael Powell says:

        I hope you are right, and Hamilton learns from this mistake.

        He needs to reduce the swagger since it’s not being reflected by his performance on and off the track and away from it. This is a guy who promised so much and has started to look like an also-ran.

        He made a wise move to Mercedes, and I was one of the few who applauded that, and in these pages. It should have been a chance to grow and reinvigorate the career, which had stalled.

        But since? He got a bright new jetplane and a new hat. Oh, and a lot more tattoos.

        He seems to have been a nice boy who has so lost his way, his direction in life, that he may have his glory days behind him.

      10. Ryan says:

        Exactly on the money! Ahmed Sydney

      11. JayWest says:

        +1 Right on the money. Nico is maturing and has put Lewis on notice. It has to be mutual: Lewis has been chopping him off in the corners and it’s about time Nico holds his ground. Albeit, this case is a lesson for both. But good show for all. The season is coming along nicely with lots of action. Just hope FIA does away with the double-point nonsense.

      12. Salvo Sparacio says:

        Agree with your paragraph. Hamilton is breaking down he needs a stellar next race. I love this it make me smile that the veternan Shumacher was definetly not to far behind even at his older age. Get better buddy this will put a smile on your face!

    6. Random 79 says:

      Can now we officially count you as a member of the Ricciardo fan club Sebee? :)

      I said yesterday (I think :) ) that he and Vettel weren’t really in the running for the 2014 WDC – I may have to revise that statement.

      I’ll say this much: If anyone is going to have a chance to take the trophy out from under the two best friends gone bad then it’s going to be Ricciardo. A few more class acts like this, a bit more bad luck / driver shenanigans by Mercedes and who knows? Anything and everything is possible – Game on :)

      1. Sebee says:

        I think even Vettel with his engine situation, maturity and 4 under the belt will be willing to work for the team now and help (at least not get in way of) Dan.

        I told you already, guy is on my team and how the heck can you not like him? Show me 1 fan who doesn’t like Daniel? How much hate must such a person have in their heart to not like this guy? Indifferent, OK. But to , not like him? That’s just strange.

      2. Random 79 says:

        For an ardent Vettel supporter such as yourself to say that he might take a supporting role now speaks volumes.

        I have read comments from some who were dubious of Ricciardo’s abilities early on (and fair enough) but I can’t say I’ve come across anyone who actively dislikes him and in F1 that’s a very rare thing indeed.

    7. deancassady says:

      Seebee: I totally agree about Lewis shooting hos mouth off, with such a great opportunity to shut up and let the video footage speak for it self.
      No matter what anybody says about Rosberg, he’s 29 points in the lead; he was 11 before.
      You got to credit him with enough ruthlessness to get the job done.
      Maybe you think Lewis is better than Rosberg, maybe you don’t; but does that really matter, Nico is 29 points in the lead; maybe he has do to stuff like this to win; and he’s just doing what he has to, and has got away with, it must be noted; so what’s the big deal?
      No matter what anybody says, ultimately, this was actually a racing incident.
      Here’s why:
      Even if Rosberg was as bad as some more pointed elements of the ravenous British F1 media suggest, the outcome?!? just too unpredictable; okay, maybe he was laying it out there, maybe he was making a statement, but would he really risk a front wing, it could have been much worse, to purposely puncture his chief rival’s tire?!? I don’t know if I can buy that one. Maybe?!?! but it is not an easy sell.
      At this stage of the game, if you can get the big points differential, and get away with it, this stuff is much tamer than some stuff in previous years, so far.
      But this incident does definitely mark a milestone in increased nastiness.

      The good news is, like every race where Mercedes is somehow compromised, this was humdinger!
      I would have loved to see the red seven five time meister, but I just keep on getting impressed by the Ozzie; I really like his style and his ability to not miss taking advantage of almost every, little… opportunity that goies his way… incredible; and he did it again. Kudos to Vettel; maybe the true champions have to go through such a year as he is having now; don’t count Vettel out!
      Another great, assured, drive by Bottas.
      I’m estimating the probability of Bottas at Mercedes, much higher after all of the antics this weekend.
      Glad Spa is on the calendar.

      1. JohnBt says:

        [and he’s just doing what he has to, and has got away with, it must be noted; so what’s the big DEAL?]

        Don’t you think it’s more of poor race craft? I feel that strongly. Nico’s race craft is not as strong as what I thought. He struggles when left behind if you observe carefully, usually in a panicky situation. During post race he was trying to hold up his pride for fear of losing face if he apologised, frankly he was rather nervous as he knew it was his fault but he needed to keep some pride by saying he needs to watch the footage.

        But if he apologises all will be forgiven, I’m the least pissed on near angry with his move.
        To say it was deliberation I have to say I don’t agree at all. Wolf will be howling but who cares.

      2. Nick says:

        If we’re going to judge poor race craft based on how many silly accidents the drivers get into, then Lewis Hamilton has the worst race craft on the grid.

        Honestly, this outcry against Rosberg is utterly ridiculous. Rosberg has been in F1 a year longer than Hamilton but has less than half the amount of accidents to his name.

      3. Thompson says:

        @DeanCassidy

        The 29points. …..

        If both cars fail to finish there would still be a 11point advantage to Nico.

        If Hamilton got a puncture and Rosberg lost a bit of wing Hamilton’s race would be ruined.

        To slow down then cut back to the inside line would have been the sensible thing to do. It’s what Hamilton has done to Rosberg in most of their duals and usually ends up beating him – refer to Malaysia 13, Bahrain 14…etc.

        Also refer to the Alonso-Vettel duals.

        One of the things often talked about by commentators, ex drivers is trust in the ability of the driver you are over taking.

        Rosbergs actions were that of a spoilt child unable to get what he wants due to his own inability.

        He was behind his wing in line with Hamilton’s rear he had nothing to lose. Watch the footage.

        After a night’s sleep – if I was in charge and had the testimony and video footage in front of me I’d drop him for one race and put Antony Davidson in the car.

        Some of you talk about man up, I agree – let’s race like men

  5. Andrew M says:

    The Race That Decided The Championship.

    It’s a real shame it ended this way, but yet again the luck is with Rosberg – his mistake (and I genuinely hope like Monaco that it was…) and Hamilton pays the penalty. Before this race I think he would have been a deserving (if fortunate) world champion, but now I’m not so sure.

    Either way, this title is over barring a calamity from Rosberg, and he can now afford to go into “Alonso 2005” mode and just manage everything and bring it home.

    On the lighter side, Ricciardo and Bottas have yet again picked up the pieces from the Mercedes wreckage, barring a staggering run of victories for someone they’re 1-2 in my driver of the year standings so far.

    PS The booing was unnecessary, I strongly dislike it, this isn’t Britain’s Got Talent.

    1. Phil Glass says:

      Can I suggest the we call him Sneako Rosberg?

    2. furstyferret says:

      I dunno the mercs have such an advantage, but if they keep screwing things up, if riccado can somehow still be within 50 points at the last race, im a big ham fan, but you would have to laugh if the redbull could nick it, they could allways use vettal as the sacrificel lamb and accidentally run into a merc or two, but all seriously the mercs are lucky, that they have such an advantage, the pitwall seems so conservative, seem reluctant to make the hard call, if this was a tight race between the two teams, redbull would trump them 9 times out of 10, they need an iron fist in charge, if I remember didn’t they used to have someone recently, his name escapes me, but he’s keen on fishing apparently

    3. Craig D says:

      Things change quickly though. Pre Silverstone the gap was the same 29 points (I think) as now. People were despairing, it’s all over now, Lewis has too much to claw back. And then Hamilton gained the full 25 points over Rosberg!

      This season has taught us things can change quickly and often.

      I don’t like to go into the whole “driver is undeserving of the title” mentality, unless they’ve clearly and willingly cheated in some way to get there. I don’t believe Nico has been a “cheat” this season – those that do tend to be part of an anti-driver-no-matter-what camp. He made a silly aggressive mistake (something Hamilton did quite a bit during 2011, I think, with this various crashes with other drivers, some his fault, some less so perhaps).

      But let’s face it, people talk of Schumacher as being a 7 time world champion. They don’t say, well he’s really only a 6 time one because he cheated Damon HIll out of one (and tried to do the same to Villeneuve). It’s sad in some ways but history only remember the winners.

      It’s clear Hamilton has had a ton of misfortune though this year. You’d think the luck will balance out but at the end of the day, all drivers who come off second best in a championship challenge have a list of “if onlys”. Webber could have been champion in 2010. Heck, if Hamilton doesn’t win it this year and people argue Rosberg won it simply on luck, someone else can argue how, well in Massa’s eyes, Lewis was lucky to beat him in 2008! Luck goes up and down.

      At the end of the year, people can only take their hat off to the winner (and acknowledge they can’t not have won it without having done a lot of good work even with misfortune of others) and just move on.

      Anyway, there’s still 7 races to go… I wouldn’t say Rosberg is anywhere near home and dry yet.

      1. OldOzzie says:

        Hamilton is a Whinging Cry Baby – Rosberg was faster, and Hamilton tried to shut him out on the pass and Hamilton lost with a puncture.

        Hamilton then compounded the problem by driving back to the pits at speed, as Martin Brundle said “Hamilton is going too fast back to the pits on that damaged wheel, he is going to do further damage to his car”

        And Hamilton did.

        Whereas Rosberg in situations like that applies intelligence and tries to get the best outcome from the problem, Hamilton created the problem, and then Cry Baby Whinged non stop for the rest of the race.

        The Booing, as Eddy Jordan said was atrocious, it was a bloody great race and Rosberg showed what a true champion looks like, someone who thinks .

        To Ricciardo, a great drive

      2. Andrew M says:

        You’re right, Rosberg could retire and Hamilton win and then it’s all back on again. But there’s no more reason why that will happen in Hamilton’s favour than against it. Basically, with the double points nonsense, there are 8 races of points left. If Hamilton beats Rosberg 6-2 in the races from here on in, first and second, which would be a massive turnaround, he’ll still lost the title.

        With regards to the deserving point, sure, the record books will say Rosberg won, and he’ll be a world champion etc. But if he only wins the title because of Hamilton’s reliability and now this, it really would make him the least deserving world champion I can remember. This isn’t like 2008 – sure Massa was unlucky with the Hungary failure and Singapore pitstop disaster, but those failures came about due to his team (Ferrari) letting him down and another team getting it right (McLaren), the converse of his team giving him the car that enabled him to do what he did vs Hamilton.

        In this case, Rosberg and Hamilton are in the same team, they both (theoretically) have the same chance and the same equipment, and unless you’re one of those crazies that believes Hamilton’s driving style can somehow break fuel lines and software, the fact that failures are happening to one driver more than another is just down to luck. And that’s before you even start taking the Spa incident into account.

        Also, even though Schumacher is referred to as the 7 time world champion (and indeed is one), people do remember his indiscretions, these things mark drivers for a long time, longer than they did back in Senna’s day. I’m not saying Rosberg is anywhere near Schumacher’s class for unsportsmanlike behaviour, but at the very least you’d have to be pretty blinkered to say that he deserved an 18 point gain over Hamilton as a result of this incident.

    4. JC says:

      Confirmed as an intentional move by both Lewis and Toto, after they had their post race meeting

      1. JF says:

        Look again: Toto has said that Lewis miscontrued Nicos comments and that Nico did not deliberately crash.

      2. Gazza says:

        I don’t think he intended to intentionally collide, you can’t guarantee that you will give the other driver a puncture while destroying your own front wing.
        Apparently he was trying to prove a point by staying in position “on purpose”……….it was a staggeringly inept way of doing it.
        Pure luck he benefited from it, but he seems to be having the lions share of it at the moment.
        Rosberg is fast thats for sure……but when it comes to racing wheel to wheel he is sadly lacking.

      3. Rodrigo Luiz Martins says:

        Toto didn’t confirm a thing!

    5. Anthony says:

      Season deciding maybe, but perhaps not in the way you suggest.

      Rosberg deliberately placed his teammate’s health at risk, destroyed Mercedes, Hamilton’s and Massa’s races, risked his own race (debris and stewards), risked the WDC and WCC, and showed his actions in Monaco were deliberate.

      If you were Mercedes management would you tolerate that behavior without serious sanction?

    6. Doug SA says:

      “this title is over barring a calamity from Rosberg”……….Not sure about that. Remember there are 7 races left, 8 if u consider Abu double as 2 races in 1from a points perspective, and as things stand 1 DNF/accidnet for Rosberg = back to square 1. It really is too early to jump to any such conclusions!

  6. rossco says:

    How was rosberg not penalised? If that was Hamilton it would have been a stop go penalty… Seriously. Lewis has been faster all year, but with 3 retirements now, along with the brake issue in Hungary and the quali ruined in Germany, how can you beat that? If Lewis doesn’t win the next race or if rosberg doesn’t have a retirement its all over.

    1. jon says:

      Racing incident – he tried to back out but misjudged it. He surely didn’t try to puncture HAM’s tire let alone break his own wing. HAM’s bad luck continues:(

    2. Graham Bowman says:

      Its far from over, one retirement from rosberg and game on,,,,,
      will be intressting to see Rosberg do the same on the last race double points and all
      that.

    3. Quercus says:

      If Toto Wolfe and Nikki Lauda meant what they said they’ll withdraw ROS from the next race, as a team punishment. It would earn Mercedes GP huge respect. That’s the only thing that will stop the rest of the season becoming a war.

      ROS knows that HAM is such a brilliant driver that the only way he’ll beat him is by using unsporting tactics. Such thoughts must be stamped on.

      1. Mac says:

        What? Why?

    4. Craig D says:

      Come on, it wasn’t a penalty worthy thing. It was clumsy but not intentionally reckless or rule braking. If the FIA gave out penalties for every little incident, they’d be no racing. The FIA have been told to ease up on penalties in recent races as it was getting too extreme.

      Totally Nico’s fault though, I agree but he punished himself with the wing problem. It’s an issue for the team to take further action on, not the FIA. It’s just bad judgement and one of those things.

      It’s far from over. No need for all the doom and gloom.

      1. JF says:

        Agree: Racing Incident. Nico was over aggressive. That said, a smarter driver would have not turned in knowing Nico was there, especially on the second lap.

      2. Thompson says:

        Problem is its Not JUST a racing incident these are the two main contenders for the WDC.

        Be it reversed – both in race and in the WDC – I think Hamilton would get a 5 place penalty in the next race – but that’s opinion.

        The team called it, Toto and Lauda, the crowed called it,with their boos. if this was Vettel on Ric I guarantee Vettel would be hung by many contributors to this site.

        All season we have had some epic races, quality overtakes justifying ‘the best drivers in the world’ tag.

        This incident is disappointing – Rosberg is disappointing – question is who’s cracking now?

      3. méridabob says:

        He punished himself…what, a whole lap on three wheels and enough floor damage to end a come back. Nico managed to end his rivals championship hopes and get away with it scott free. Good for him, that’s how championships are one. Like Prost, you need the stewards on your side to win.

      4. F1 Badger says:

        It was intentional

      5. DB says:

        I think a penalty to Rosberg wouldn’t be too far fetched. Especially as Magnussen got a big one for causing less damage to Alonso.
        Btw, I also think Alonso’s penalty was comparatively too bland. The mechanics were on the track with cars going by, fhs!
        All in all, seemingly inconsistent penalties all around, imo.

    5. PeterF says:

      Ros has now openly said he did it on purpose. How will the FIA see and react to this? Deliberately crashing is not allowed as far as I remember…

    6. Joni Hagner says:

      It’s amazing how the Hamilton fans love the double standards, I remember Hamilton doing exactly same to Vettel at the British GP in 2010 and NOTHING WAS EVEN SAID ABOUT IT.

    7. Doug SA says:

      Exactly…..And the F1 fraternity wonders why fans are leaving the sport in droves. People are naturally disinclined to support such obvious injustices and double standards. That move, from any perspective deserved a penalty, simple!

      1. BigHaydo says:

        Could you provide an example of when the stewards have intervened with an in-race penalty after a collision between two team mates (aside from anything inherently unsafe)? Aside from the Virgins off the startline in 2010, I’m struggling to think of any… The fratricide and fallout is usually punishment enough.

      2. JohnBt says:

        I don’t think this the reason why fans are dropping off. It’s the highly expensive Sky tv fees and the new ruling of the sport with the lack of sound and fuel saving issues and too much restrictions with the ugly nosy effect. Racing mistakes and incidents happened all the time since F1 began.

    8. Rodrigo Luiz Martins says:

      It is time to stop blaming the other things that happened so far on Lewis season. By the end of the season you’re gonna run out of excuses.

    9. Anil Parmar says:

      There was a rule change after Bahrain 2012 which in this case means that Nico didn’t do anything wrong.

    10. Andy says:

      I think it was more of a racing incident than a punishable move. Having said that, the Stewards penalty against Alonso was, in effect a joke. 5 seconds is nothing compared to the risks involved. I don’t understand why they took so long to issue the penalty either, it was clear cut.
      The minimum for Alonso should have been a drive through, or the back of the grid.

    11. kenneth chapman says:

      i would assume that rosberg wasn’t penalised because he didn’t infringe any rules. it was, if anything, a racing incident.

      @ JC could you possibly post the link to wolff actually saying that ‘rosberg has admitted he acted with full intention to take hamilton out of the race’. was it an ambitious move yes. both hamilton and rosberg could’ve taken evasive action, they didn’t. i would possibly call it ‘contributory negligence’. that, at the moment, is what the stewards probably think as well.

  7. F1inDeutschland says:

    German commentators were saying the Lewis-Nico clash was 50/50, then at the end of the race Niki Lauda shocked them all by calling it 100% Nico’s fault. He was really angry and felt bad for Lewis, said there is no way that should happen at the end of lap 2 of a long race.

    1. Quercus says:

      I’m starting to question whether Germans have difficulty in understanding the concept of ‘sportsmanship’. Maybe Nikki Lauda gets it because he’s Austrian?

      If ROS did not collide with HAM deliberately, on a corner where he did not have a hope in hell of overtaking, then it’s worse. He lost control of his emotions as a result of a bad start. As I said already, ROS knew what he’d done: just look at his body language after the race.

    2. aveli says:

      i suspect the mercedes management have always known what rosberg was up to since monaco and realise how it is harming mercedes’ image so came out to show their disapproval. I am not convinced they meant it.

    3. Hansel says:

      Lewis brought this on himself.
      His actions in Hungary mean that there is no longer any trust in this team. There will surely be more clashes between the two.
      So, on the day, Rosberg was at fault…but this started earlier.

      1. Anthony says:

        Where is started is of no consequence.

        Lewis was correct in his actions in Hungary, given their respective WDC positions, and Mercedes admitted it was wrong of them to ask him to pull over after the race and changed it’s team orders policy.

        If Rosberg has a problem with losing a political battle within the team over orders, then he should be using that as motivation, not deliberately taking out another driver.

      2. AlexD says:

        Agree, it started earlier….in Monaco…

      3. Nikos says:

        So what does Nico bring on him after that? His bosses are upset and I am pretty sure
        other drivers will comment on this the next few days.

      4. Ryan says:

        Sorry? Who was going to “bring the pain to Nico”? Ha! Ha!

    4. Sebee says:

      So you’re thinking Nico lost team support or Niki was trying to make Lewis feel better?

      1. Steven says:

        No Lauda is Hamilton’s pet, he brought him in and will look a total idiot if Rosberg wins the title.

    5. sidecar says:

      it was never 50/50. he put his nose in an impossible place. it was not possible to overtake from the position he was in. I actually think this is in the same class of “mistake” as Monaco. ha ha. Hamilton is such a baby though! he moans and moans. the honeybadger is the new star! I hope redbull give him a car next year that can fight with the mercs.

    6. Bill says:

      Niki should watch the video replay before passing judgement. Nico was alongside and started to backout of the attempted pass when Hamilton made a dive bomb move to the apex, without regard for where Nico was. Typical Hamilton… “I am the only one on the track”.

      1. furstyferret says:

        So taking the normal racing line is a dive bomb move, I give up

      2. TimW says:

        Totally wrong, look at the replay again.

      3. Andrew M says:

        Exactly, everyone knows that as soon as another car has their front wing alongside your rear wheel you should get off the racing line as soon as possible because they have the corner. Glad to see someone talking sense at last!

      4. RichB says:

        nico wasn’t backing out, he said he was holding his line and refused to move because he wanted to prove a point.

        you need to watch the replay yourself if you think lewis ‘dive bombed’ he just drove the line he was entitled to. niki was right, he knows about racing.

      5. someguy says:

        ” Nico was alongside and started to backout of the attempted pass when Hamilton made a dive bomb move to the apex”

        really…clearly Nico was no way near any position to seriously overtake Lewis hence the crash, your about on “track” as Nico wasn’t…

      6. AlexD says:

        What is alongiside? Wolff agrees it was comletely nicos fault….his front wheel was not even where hamiltons rear wheel was….so how is it alongside?

      7. F1 Badger says:

        False, footage clearly shows NR steering into LH twice. LH just maintains the racing line.

      8. Ryan says:

        Totally agree!

      9. RememberRonnie says:

        Absolutely. If the positions had been the other way around, Hamilton would have done exactly the same as did Rosberg. We have seen LH do it a number of times in similar situations in the past. In this world you reap what you sow – Hamilton has recently shown the same level of aggression towards Rosberg so should not be surprised at what happened today – and certainly should not be whimpering to the media and making claims about the post race team meeting which Toto Wolff has subsequently said were not actually true. I support Rosberg’s decision to make the point to LH that he is not one to be bullied off the track (and I am British) – even though on this occasion there was misjudgement by both drivers and it ended in grief. Perhaps it won’t the next time.

      10. warley says:

        It seemed to me to be similar to the previous Massa v Magnusson incident when Massa took the racing line on the assumption there was no-one on it. Once Magnusson’s car was there only Massa could have avoided the colision and Hamilton the same. Rosberg can’t slow down too much or he might have been jumped from behind and he had caught Hamilton quickly enough for there to be a chance of getting past. Racing incident would be my verdict.

      11. kenneth chapman says:

        very true. that is roughly how i saw it as well.

      12. schick says:

        No question Lewis knew Nico “was there” and thought Nico would pull out….he didn’t and in hindsight Lewis could have left more racing room for Nico, its a line in the sand for Lewis to stop carving up Nico when overtaking is on. Niki L was instrumental in getting Lewis to MB and as such is defending his decision in support of Lewis, shades of Helmut Marko in the Vettel/Weber showdowns. This incident will fire up Lewis but realistically he doesn’t have the smarts to handle Nico, when we think about it who would have thought Nico was any match for Lewis at seasons beginning?, IMO Lewis has been played like a violin. Sensational drive by the smiling assassin especially the pass on Alonso.

    7. F1 Badger says:

      That’s the German media for you!

    8. RichB says:

      those commentators must be blinded by favouritism, lewis did nothing wrong

      1. Bradley says:

        Neither driver did anything wrong. Nor did either willingly move out of the way to avoid contact. Racing incident.

      2. Ryan says:

        So he didn’t cut across Nico’s nose like he has done many times before? Bahrain comes to mind! This time he didn’t get away with it! Racing incident!

  8. Gaz Boy says:

    Congrats to Danny Boy and Bottas, but their excellent performances have been totally overshadowed by an absolute moment of stupidity.
    I don’t condone violence, but if Lewis went and punched Rosberg Junior in the face I’d completely understand that. It wouldn’t achieve anything, but Lewis would feel better for it…………..
    Do you know what, dare I say write this, but are Mercedes missing the stern disciplinarian that is Ross the Boss? Rosberg Junior wouldn’t of dared pulled this stunt if Ross was still there – when Mr Brawn was at Ferrari both Michael and Rubens knew who was buttering their bread and wouldn’t dare step out of line.
    Is it plausible to say that Toto and Paddy are just not gnarly and intimidating like Ross is to be a strict disciplinarian team manager/s? Yes – I think that could be the problem.
    I think Rosberg Junior should be docked a months wages for the loss of constructors points.
    Lewis – keep your chin up mate, for the third consecutive race weekend you have been compromised when it hasn’t been your fault.

    1. Bradley says:

      After the team rolled belly up and Hamilton took no punishment for disobeying a team order, they’d hardly have a case for being so harsh to Rosberg here.

    2. sidecar says:

      Hamilton is such a baby though. I’ve supported him since he started but I’m getting sick of his crying. I am actually starting to like the villain Rosberg! ha ha he knows that he cannot beat hammy on pace, hes just doing whatever he can to win, i can understand that. I would go as far to say i would do that same.

      1. F1 Badger says:

        Great post! Nice to read someone defending NR with honest fact rather than blind denial! Much the same for me regarding LH. It can be cringeworthy watching his media appearances! NR is nothing if not clever!

    3. Mansell Mania says:

      Toto was looking pretty intimidating after the race!

      1. aveli says:

        toto was trying too hard to look intimidating. what will he do to rosberg apart from saying ‘we will not tolerate this behaviour next time’?

    4. I don’t think it would make Lewis feel better. Incongruous rather. But he wouldn’t anyway.

    5. DH says:

      You can’t be serious!! So its ok when Ham cuts accros other drivers,is aggressive disobeys his team, talks to the media about a private team meeting crashes through the field after he has messep up quali, consistantly puts other drivers at risk…… but not okay when a racing incident occurs and two cars touch …… man some people have to rely on emotions and not facts!!!!

  9. Anop says:

    I think it was a pure racing incident but yes bad decision on Nico’s part. Anyway what Mercedes have lost today is not a 1,2 but Nico has got Daniel right in the championship fight. 64 points difference with double points in Abu Dhabi can swing it in Daniel’s favor.

    Game on! It will fascinating to see how Lewis goes in Monza. If he doesn’t do well then I think it’s over for Lewis.

    1. aveli says:

      rosberg did it with intent. have a look at the incident in slow motion and you will notice how violently he turned his wheel to the right at the right moment and how long he kept it turned until contact was made. nothing can convince me otherwise. shame onto rosberg. and he had the guts to stand there and deny it, just like he did in monaco.

    2. DB says:

      I’d go freaking bananas if I were a Mercedes top brass man and Ricciardo won this title.

      And he could have about 10 more points from Australia if RBR hadn’t tried to arm-wrestle the FIA.

      1. James Allen says:

        18 more you mean..

    3. Drew says:

      Put the 18 points from Australia back on and he’s within one second place of Hamilton! Even as it stands, I don’t think we’ve seen the end of this. Especially now that RB have pulled the skinny wing and ERS to bolster their straight line.

  10. jean-luc says:

    Will Rosberg win it by playing fair and square or will he keep on with his disgraceful cheaty tactics? And why is he being allowed to get away with it?

    1. aveli says:

      look at his ears for the answers to your question. if his right ear leans more, he will do it wih dirty tactics only and if his left ear leans more, he will do it fairly.

    2. Sebee says:

      Cheat? Jean-Luc are you doing this Franco – British relations purposes? That was a racing incident if there ever was one. Nico’s nose was inches too deep in Lewis’ rear – that’s all.

      1. Deeno says:

        Yes a [mod]… the same as he did in Monaco, Canada etc. WHY is ROS NOT ABLE to race fair?
        The Boos of the crowd said it all.

      2. F1 Badger says:

        Apart from NR accepting that he could have avoided it and didn’t! You’d have to be wet behind the ears to think that wasn’t an intentional nudge. The consequences of course could not be guaranteed but the contact was obviously not innocent!

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        yes seebee, you are quite right.

    3. pking007 says:

      because the powers that be wants him to be the WDC. Simple

    4. sidecar says:

      its F1! cheating is par for the course. Its only cheating if you get caught! ha ha!! otherwise its excellent driving

    5. Ryan says:

      Like Hamilton hasn’t done anything remotely dodgy so far in his career? And got busted doing it! Ha! Ha!

  11. Pkara says:

    Well done Riccardo glad yoy won instead of that duffer Rosberg.

    TOTO WOLF SAYS THAT WAS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR FROM ROSBERG.
    LAUDA SAYS THE SAME.
    THE BOOS FROM THE CROWD AT SPA SAID IT ALL.
    ROSBERG HAS NO RACECRAFT IS NOT A RACER AND WHAT HE DID TO LEWIS WAS SHOCKING.
    EDDIE JORDON SUCKING UP TO ROSBERG IN THE INTERVIEW TELLING THE CROWD TO STOP BOOING IS A SO SLIME INDUCING.
    JUST BECAUSE HE IS ROSBERGS NEIGHBOUR IN MONACO,( the crowdcan boo Rosberg, he deserves it!!)! EDDIE JORDAN SHOULD STICK TO SAILING IN MONACO.
    BBC SHOULD SAXK JORDON AS HE IS TOO PARTISAN TO ROSBERG!!

    Excellent interview from Lewis calm & showing a reflective racer.
    Gloves ofc from now as Rosberg is sliming his way to a championship dodgy cheating at Monaco & does not deserve to be where he is in the standings.I hope his car fails in next 3 races!!
    Come On Lewis don’t give up yet you are the best :-)

    1. effffone says:

      Actually Jordan was right. Those hooligans who had no respect for the drivers were very disgusting.

    2. Gaz Boy says:

      Rosberg Junior was pretty lamentable when it came to spatial awareness today. Perhaps he needs to re-sit his driving test? Or have an eye test?
      What did Rosberg Junior expect Lewis would do? Just magically evaporate? While I accept it wasn’t a malicious move, it was pretty clumsy and ill judged, and not to be expected of a supposedly (sic) championship campaigner.
      The best tonic for Lewis is turn upto Monza and dominate the weekend as he did in 2012. Assuming his team-mate doesn’t wipe him out on the first lap breaking for one of the chicanes…..
      What Mercedes need – badly – is a Ross the Boss disciplinarian who “if you do that again sunshine, I’ll break your bloody legs” or words to that effect.

      1. H.Guderian (ALO Fan) says:

        “The best tonic for Lewis is turn upto Monza and dominate the weekend as he did in 2012″

        No. He should crash into Sneako and ruin his title (better than a punch in the face).
        As Sebee said: “Solve things in the track like real man”.

    3. Nickh says:

      Awful driving from Rosberg. Dirty dirty. Either he is very average in wheel to wheel combat/spacial awareness, or he did it intentionally. The latter can’t be rules out considering his antics in Monaco qualifying.

      I feel this sort of driving warrants a penalty as he wrecked Hamiltons race and it was ENTIRELY Rosberg’s fault. He was driving like a rich daddy’s boy racing in F3 or something. Embarrassing. How has he not apologised or taken full responsibility. Even if he wins the championship he will be regarded as the worst ever world champion, worse than Villeneuve even

    4. German Samurai says:

      Hamilton did the same thing to Button in Germany. No-one cried “unacceptable”

      Alonso clipped Vettel hard at the end of today’s race. No-one cried “unacceptable”

      1. JF says:

        Good observation

      2. buzzzzzzzz says:

        Button said it was his fault not Hamiltons after looking at the replay!

      3. Pkara says:

        Two world wars & 1 world cup thats acceptable

      4. Andrew M says:

        1. They aren’t teammates.

        2. They didn’t wreck their only title rival’s race (and probably season).

        3. They didn’t do it deliberately.

      5. Nikos says:

        You know, it is people like you that propably watch max. half a race and then pretend to know the sport. BUT said after the race, he didn’t find HAM’s move right but a few days later, after he watched the footage again he apologised for blaming him. And that is
        because his driving signaled that he left the door open. So what did HAM do again?

      6. F1 Badger says:

        A) not team mates!!!!
        B) not contesting the world championship
        C) none of the history of bad feeling this season
        D) NOT TEAM MATES!!!!!!

      7. rossco says:

        Those incidents weren’t title deciding where they?

      8. aveli says:

        this just shows them up. coulthard was poor. i think the bbc should find a replacement for coulthard. he was constantly talking about hypothetical stories instead of telling the story which was actually unfolding before our eyes. ben edwards is much better than coulthard. they should find someone who is not friends with brundle or allen.

      9. Rohind says:

        The day Alonso makes a mistake, he gets away from criticism coz entire forum is focussed on Rosberg and Hamilton :D

      10. German Samurai says:

        “A) not team mates!!!!
        B) not contesting the world championship
        C) none of the history of bad feeling this season
        D) NOT TEAM MATES!!!!!!”

        Rubbish. They are fighting for a world championship.

        Hamilton made it clear in Hungary that he’ll race for himself and ignore team orders. They are two guys fighting for the championship in the same equipment.

        I don’t understand how it’s some how different because they’re in a title fight together. You don’t fight for position when you’re in a title fight? Is that what you’re saying?

    5. tank says:

      But how do you really feel?

    6. Go Rosberg Go says:

      lewis looked like he was repeating a rehearsed speech in the interview. Mercedes held him back and coached him or he would have made a fool of himself as usual

      1. F1 Badger says:

        He really did! Good point!!!

    7. Ryan says:

      BRITISH by any chance? Ha! Ha!

    8. DH says:

      Get a grip PKara – you gonna pass out from stress just now…

  12. Francois says:

    What a race from Ricciardo, incredible, he was behind Vettel in the first lap and what a difference he makes during the race.
    I wouldn’t like to be in Rosberg shoes even if inside, he shouldn’t be unhappy as he’s leading by more than a win.
    Don’t know if McLaren told k-mag to push or treat him for his contract but remind me of Perez-Bahrein last year, aggressive stuff, would be interesting debrief as well with Jenson and made a lot of new friends.
    Very interesting GP, can’t wait for Monza!

  13. Harshad says:

    The Talk of the town will be Rosberg and Hamilton collision. Perhaps a racing incident and an avoidable one. But I Don’t think Rosberg was at fault entirely!

    we had multiple battles through that chicane like;
    1) Kimi passing Magnussen on Lap 1 in the chicane;
    2) Bottas passing Vettel on Lap 31 in the chicane;
    3) Multiple car scrap towards the end there…with Vettel,Magnussen,Alonso and Button. I think Alonso and Button went side by side in the chicane.

    From Mercedes’ team perspective this collision was avoidable however I still think Hamilton should have been a little more careful going in the chicane knowing Rosberg is there.
    Neither Hamilton’s fault nor Rosberg’s fault either….just a racing incident.

    1. TimW says:

      Look at the replay again, Nico was never alongside and clearly should have ceded the corner. I agree with Lauda, 100% Rosberg’s fault.

      1. JF says:

        Agree: but that said Hamilton did not have to turn all the way to curb. He could have avoided and would have likely got him later. Neither of them were thinking.

      2. someguy says:

        well said!!

      3. kartarece says:

        Lauda ? is that the same man who couldn’t even do one complete lap without spinning around, at every corner, while manager at Jaguar F1 team. He better keep quite, that’s for sure.

      4. TimW says:

        Kartrace, Niki was 52 when he made a mess of driving the Jaguar, I hardly think 1 morning in Valencia outweighs 3 world titles. Lauda has forgotten more about F1 racing than you will ever know.

      5. TimW says:

        JF, Lewis could have driven completely off the track and waved Nico by, but that doesn’t mean he should have done it! Nico was never far enough alongside to compel Lewis to leave him any room, hamilton was perfectly entitled to take the racing line. There is a reason the Mercedes bosses and every expert says this crash was Nico’s fault.

    2. Sebee says:

      I thought Eddie did well to remind all what cost of that collision was. It was always going to happen at some point. And it was always going to be a coin toss as to who would pay the price.

    3. F1 Badger says:

      Purely Rosbergs fault

      1. kartarece says:

        Sitting in the armchair, which doesn’t move at all, it is no challenge being the referee

    4. Carlo says:

      How good was that scrap at the end… I was out of my chair! MAG was a bit out of order with his line and squeezing Alonso, but I loved every moment of it.

      On the Rosberg/Hamilton incident, I concur with Brundle, it was clumsy and I err on the side that it wasn’t intentional, surely he could not have predicted an outcome where Hamilton would have lost out like that – I mean, if he ploughed into him, or cut him off, different story. And it’s for that reason I think Lauda’s comments were a bit over the top… ok it was 2 laps in which is fair enough, but the incident was a bit innocuous?

      The one thing I’d say, I wasn’t impressed with Hamilton’s attitude through the race; how can a racer even contemplate pulling out? I know some will point to engine limits etc, but that’s for his engineers to decide.

      1. Rockman says:

        Lewis looked like a primadonna in the race asking to retire multiple times. It’s so shameful to see a racer whinge like that.

        It’s a sad day because he’s one of the drivers I like to watch drive for his raw pace, along with Alonso for his unrelenting determination, Ricciardo for his opportunistic killer instinct, Vettel for his tenacity and Button for his overall smoothness.

    5. Ryan says:

      Exactly!

    6. kartarece says:

      Hamilton is simply paranoid especially when things are not going his way. He better think how many times he was involved in accidents, more then any other current F1 driver. Most of it was his own fault. He is acting like a spoilt child; ask this one, ask that one. He needs nanny ? If race stewards didn’t consider that as someone’s clear fault so be it.

  14. kartarece says:

    Mercedes advantage is melting away, slowly but surely. They are still the fastest out there but like in the ancient story turtle won over rabbit speed…

    1. Mojo66 says:

      Rosberg was catching Ricciardo at 2-4 seconds per lap. With a season that long, it doesn’t hurt Mercedes if they don’t win every time, they’re fast enough and have good enough, though not stellar, reliability, to win both championships.

      1. kartarece says:

        Yes right you are but if Mercedes boys keep taking each other out then it may go Riccardo way, ball is round. I wish that someone could challenge those super fast Silver Arrows this year and that is exactly what Ric is doing, great job from him..

    2. German Samurai says:

      The Mercedes qualified 2 seconds clear of the competition.

      1. But to finish first, first you need to finish. Saturday counts for very little besides the record books.

      2. Random 79 says:

        …and finished three seconds behind the competition.

        No point being fast if you’re just going to trip yourself up.

    3. HighLift says:

      I wouldnt quite say that. Mercedes in a pure low downforce setting similar to what Redbull ran would have been a completely differing event.

    4. JF says:

      They need to be careful not to throw it away, I suspect team orders are imminent. Otherwise, this could be the first time in a long long while that a world driver championship is taken with a slower car (bet on Ricciardo).

      1. kartarece says:

        4sure Ric is the man. He is the one to support despite RBR is not the team that I normally support… Go Daniel Go….

  15. Bengurio says:

    Gutted for LH44, thrilling race, classic Spa. Good call not to bring the safety car for the debris from LH44 tire.

  16. Harshad says:

    James please let us know, how did Kimi do a 23 lap stint on the medium tyres? I thought He was heading for trouble towards the end, but Kimi pulled it off.
    This is reminiscent of how he raced with Lotus in 2012/2013, where he would do an unbelievably long stint and bring home a good result.

    1. Harshad says:

      Kimi Just said that His First stint was ok, car was sliding on the second stint and it was sliding even more on the third/last stint. All the more reasons, to let us know how did Kimi pull off 23 laps on Medium tyres when Vettel couldn’t?. It didn’t damage Vettel in the end as he finished 5th, but he only just finished fifth.

  17. j8dub says:

    Appauling race from Rosberg, takes out his team-mate damaging his front wing, messes up his overtake on Vettel flatspotting his tires, and is only able to take 2nd place due to his cars dominant pace advantage.

    Unsurprising that he was booed on the podium, similar to his performance in Hungary, he was really rather poor when he actually had to fight for his position rather than cruising to victory. Toto and Niki will have a few choice words for Nico who cost Mercedes dear today.

    1. effffone says:

      Good to see Eddie putting those so called fans into place.

    2. Sebee says:

      I loved how he reacted. He could not give less $#!T about those boos.

      1. j8dub says:

        He looked more sheepish and guilty to me…

      2. Nickh says:

        He looked like a scared little boy that knows he’s been naughty

      3. TJ says:

        Are you sure, looked like he wanted to cry to me, His upper lip was quivering a little.

      4. sarcosuchus says:

        He gave a great Austria $#!T about the boos – he looked very uncomfortable and shifted around and actually said “it’s (the boos) not good for me”. I like how you just create an alternative reality for yourself when the reality isn’t what you want it to be – very intellectual.

  18. Phil says:

    Rosberg. Monaco? Spa? Too many question marks? Is he Schumacher ruthless or just clumsy?

    1. Sebee says:

      He’s all new…ruthless with finesse – because it’s never intentional.

    2. jean-luc says:

      He is not ruthless, he is not clumpsy. He just lacks ethics and is desperate to prove he is at least a match to Hamilton.

      1. Tickety-boo says:

        Correct, there is a age-old basic principle of it being better to be respected than liked. Nico is not worthy of respect, despite the likes of Sebee not having an issue with the conduct of Rosberg; the comments say lots about the individual. I’m no Hamilton fan, I don’t much like the ‘bling’, but in previous races LH afforded Nico respect in close battle but I suspect now the gloves are off and Rosberg is now presenting an image that Mercedes Benz can’t want (or rather drivers of their cars don’t want) and I suspect this is not over by a long way. With news tonight, confirmed by Wolf, that this was no accident by Rosberg there must surely be repercussions for him. Whilst on my rant, I can’t believe we’re still having to sponsor Eddie Jordan via the licence fee – bring back Mr Anderson, at least he knew what he was talking about.

      2. RememberRonnie says:

        Thats unfair. The man more lacking in ethics is Hamilton – misleading statement to the media today, misleading statement to the Melbourne stewards a few years back, and not much there in the way of sportsmanship.

  19. Richard says:

    I noticed, and have for a number of Grand Prix now, media/cameramen being in the pitlane during races when not very long ago there was a big thing made about the media supposedly being banned from the pitlane during races as a result of a “stray” tyre at Germany 2013. Why is the going on? Why are they creeping back in? Has it just become unfashionable until the next incident/death?

    1. Darren Scott says:

      At first I thought what a mistake on rosbergs part. But watching rosbergs on board camera you Cleary see him ram his steering wheel into Hamilton’s carwhen he couldn’t make it around.

  20. zombie says:

    The crowd was absolutely disgraceful. What happened between Nico and Hamilton was a pure racing incident and nothing else. Fantastic race by Ric, Bottas, Mag and Alonso. I think we have a future champ in Riccardio and Bottas.

    1. effffone says:

      Too many hooligans in the crowd. Shame on Spa.

    2. D@X says:

      Actually maybe not so much a racing incident

      http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/28921431

    3. jean-luc says:

      Obviously the crowd felt it wasn’t just a racing incident and made it clear to Rosberg, sending him the message that he’s got to clean his acts. Spa today but also Monaco some weeks ago remember? As for you, it was disrespectful to brand the crowd a disgrace for expressing their feelings.

      1. JF says:

        A few in the crowd at least

      2. effffone says:

        I suppose only the booing hooligans only were a disgrace, not the crowd per se.

    4. buzzzzzzzz says:

      Zombie

      Nico has admitted deliberately hitting Hamilton!

      1. Sebee says:

        Nico did no such thing. Lewis just yapping to get public sympathy instead of playing smart. Note – Lewis is always the one to push it further, then to complain publicly. Man….does Nico ever have his number.

      2. Tickety-boo says:

        You’re correct, it would appear that it was no ‘accident’ and the words from Lewis confirmed as ‘broadly correct’ by Mr Wolf. Sebee, who can’t see beyond spite/envy/jealousy won’t see it that way though….

    5. Ryan says:

      Totally agree!

  21. Quercus says:

    Nico’s caught the ]mod] disease. Win at all costs.

    1. Wade Parmino says:

      Very offensive comment. These types of comments referring to non European peoples would cause outrage. Why is it acceptable to make anti German comments like this. Assume for a moment that the country of say, Congo, had produced drivers whose histories, conduct and records were identical to Schumacher, Vettel and Rosberg. Would you make the same comment, simply replacing the word German with the word Congolese? More to the point would people be OK with such a comment? I think there would probably be a major backlash of outrage. It seems though, for some reason that alludes me, most people are totally fine with anti German sentiment or any other dominantly European populated country. Your comment was allowed by the moderator. Had it been an African or Asian country to which you were referring, it probably would not have been allowed. I am just trying to draw attention to this issue.

      Anyway, regarding the specific Formula 1 topic that you are addressing, I agree that it was Rosberg’s fault; he should have backed out of it and he should have been given a penalty once it had occurred. Why not just say this instead of carpet bombing an entire country with generalized and prejudicial comments.

      1. effffone says:

        Calm down, Wade. Perhaps Quercus is a Jew, his comments would be understandable, then.

    2. Sebee says:

      Is it transferred by sneezing or bodily fluid exchange? Need to know so we can all catch it.

      1. buzzzzzzzz says:

        Seebee Mercededs have confirmed Hamiltons version!

      2. kc says:

        Ok guys… maybe a better post would have been “Rosberg is following in his compatriate’s footsteps… pissing everyone off to win at all costs”. Just a casual comment about his 2 compatriots that have preceded him.

    3. Quercus says:

      There you go… http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28921431

      “We just had a meeting about it and he basically said he did it on purpose,” said Hamilton.

      The 2008 world champion added: “He said he could have avoided it, but he didn’t want to. He basically said, ‘I did it to prove a point’.”

      1. luqa says:

        It would seem from TW’s subsequent comments in Autosport, LH misunderstood or misinterpreted NR’s comments in the “closed door” meeting.

        For LH then to go out to the press and blab to gain sympathy and support is not being a team play and quite underhanded. I can’t recall NR doing that in the past when there have been similar incidents in which he pulled the short straw.

        It always takes two to have an incident. In the past LH has usually relied on the other party, like his hero Senna to avoid these collisions. Backing off is something NR has done several times this year. LH could’ve easily left a bit more room after NR had his nose up around his air box and subsequently backed off. If you are going to pretend to be Senna, you have to live with the consequences, and not complain when others take a similar stance. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. When playing such games, you always risk an incident. Just see what happened to FA and SV on the last lap.

        There is no way a sane and rational person, even in the heat of battle is going to risk loosing a nose purposely when he still has everything to win. At best a 50/50 racing incident.

        For NL and TW to even discuss the incidents in public before both drivers have had a chance to give their version, is frankly very unprofessional, and they should BOTH be called on it. Airing ones dirty laundry in public as they both did, no matter their personal feelings suggests they are not fit to run a soda pop store, let alone an F1 team. Good thing I’m not on the BoD of Mercedes-Benz, because I’d give them a serious reprimand for bringing the good name of the company into disrepute before there had even been an internal hearing!

      2. effffone says:

        Yeah, I was stunned by this comments. But can we really believe it? It’s comming from a guy why lies to Race Stewards, so we need to take his comments carefully.

    4. Richard says:

      Sorry but this is just getting [mod]

      James, please can we stick to comments about Formula 1 on this site and not ridiculous slurs and derogatory comments.

      1. David Zolve says:

        Well said.

        And while you’re at it James could you limit Sebee’s posts to under 2,000 a day please, his comments are drowning everyone else’s out!!

      2. luqa says:

        Agreed!

      3. Sebee says:

        David. Got it. Ok…I’m slimming down. Sorry guys. I get excited sometimes. But you guys need me, otherwise it would be a pro Lewis rally.

      4. H.Guderian (ALO Fan) says:

        @Sebee
        He was kidding (I guess) ;-)

    5. Ryan says:

      BRITISH by any chance?

      1. PeterF says:

        Another comment aimed at race and nationally.

      2. Ryan says:

        @PeterF – Race? Lol We’re all part of the HUMAN race! Nationalism in F1 is very much a part of the sport! British comedy German skits are a national pastime! Lol

      3. Ryan says:

        @PeterF – Race? Lol We’re all part of the HUMAN race! Nationalism in F1 on the other hand is very much a part of the sport! That’s why they play the National Anthems on the Podium! Not that I agree with that especially when the whole conspiracy debate of Hamilton being at Mercedes “a German Team”, that favours Rosberg, blah blah, etc occurs regardless of the fact that the Team is based in the UK and half the Grid are supplied by Mercedes, etc Not to mention British commentators constantly referring to “the German” did this or that??? I might be British but like many other fans support Kimi regardless of the fact that I’m not Finnish! ie. I asked the question legitimately due to the statement!

    6. Wrong choice of words mate. I assume you are referring to Schumi and Vettel, rather than Sutil and Heidfeld.

    7. Rockman says:

      Inappropriate comment.

  22. Alex Mullins says:

    Nico looking less and less like a worthy champion

    1. AlexD says:

      He is not a champion yet….

    2. Tickety-boo says:

      To be fair, he’s never actually looked close to being one regardless of the point tally.

  23. glennb says:

    Great win for Danny and RBR. Totally bossed Seb today… again. Glad Kimi clawed back some much needed dignity. Good to see young Bottas on the podium again. Good fight back from Rosberg after breaking his nose on the other cars rear tyre. MAG was borderline yet balsy. Toughing it out with 3 WDC’s. Lewis lost more dignity by whining and giving up. Pathetic crowd booing during the presentation. Whose fans were they?
    Enjoyed the scrap for 5th immensely. Good stuff.

    1. Paul says:

      A ludicrous accusation. One only has to think back to the last race in Hungary to know what Hamilton can do in terms of racing through the field from the back, and at Spa overtaking is much easier, so clearly he had a car issue which prevented this. A lot of internet armchair warriors coming up with the same accusation, perhaps it would be different if you were the one knowing that, due to car damage, you might end up in the wall at 160 MPH?

    2. Andrew M says:

      As was very clearly explained, he wasn’t “giving up”, he wanted to save the engine, because he’s already one engine down on Rosberg after the fire in Hungary and there was no chance of Lewis scoring points – he was driving the car and he knew that he didn’t have enough downforce to pass the faster cars ahead, even if there was a safety car. I’d like drivers to push to their limit all season long as well, but the regulations are the way they are so every lap of every season counts towards the car’s wear rate. Don’t hate the playa, hate the game.

      I agree on the booing though, this wasn’t Austria 2002, there was no need for it.

    3. Nickh says:

      Maybe they were booing because Lewis lost minimum 18 points probably 25 because his teammate can’t drive properly

    4. Ryan says:

      Dan was brilliant again! And as a Kimi fan I’ve got something to smile about this year at last! Just hope Ferrari give him the car he needs next year!

  24. AlexD says:

    Shame on Rosberg.
    Wolff is not doing his job good enought, I just do not see Mercedes having this situation with Ross. Good for Rocciardo, 3rd win.

    1. Craig D says:

      Bad indeed. But they’ve allowed the drivers to race and should be commended on that, as they have been with the other thrilling races. Perhaps now they’ll have team orders (no fighting in the first 5 laps; no fighting after the last pit stop, that sort of thing). But it would be a sad thing to have and people might complain of team orders like with Red Bull. We can’t have our cake and eat it.

      1. Rockman says:

        I agree with Craig. It’s actually great how Mercedes allows their drivers to race freely. Maybe they just need to come on hard with the discipline and place consequences on the drivers if either of them cost the other the race or points.

  25. Rohind says:

    Wasn’t fair to boo Rosberg….it was a racing incident. You can clearly see him trying to swerve towards the left to avoid the incident. But somehow couldn’t pull it . Has to admit that Rosberg is very poor at overtaking.

    Was fun to see Hamilton trying to politize the issue in his after race speech as to how Nico has let down the team, board members, whole of England etc etc :D

    Ricciardo drove well. But benefitted from slower Vettel holding up Bottas and Rosberg.

    By the way, what happened to Vettel. He was 1s a lap slower than Ricciardo and struggling to keep the car on track, exceeding track limits all the time. Seems like something was amiss with his race setup

    1. C63 says:

      You can clearly see him trying to swerve towards the left to avoid the incident….

      That’s an interesting viewpoint. Don’t know if you have SKY, but they covered the incident after the race in minute detail, with frame by frame analysis. Rosberg was definitely not turning away, in fact he turned, right (into the corner), then left, then right again. It was the second turn right that clipped Hamiltons rear tyre – they did all the CGI virtual race stuff and Hamilton was bang on the racing line and Rosberg only just had his nose alongside the rear tyre of Hamiltons car. I don’t think he did it on purpose as it would have been very high risk strategy on his part, with no guarantee of a puncture but almost a certain damaged front wing. I think, as you said, it’s just Rosberg is crap at wheel to wheel racing. All of the ex race drivers on SKY had Rosberg completely in the frame as far as fault was concerned. It doesn’t really matter though, he still picked up 18 points over Hamilton :-(

    2. Nickh says:

      It wasn’t incident, you can tell from his body language on the podium he knows it’s entirely his own fault. Bad spacial awareness. He didn’t even apologise to lewis. Coward

      1. JF says:

        How do you know?

    3. janis1207 says:

      Agreed!
      It was also obvious, Hamilton was not just shutting the door at that corner, he wanted to shut it with a bang. To make sure Rosberg gets poor exit, and also to send a message: “don’t you dare!” Had he been content with just staying ahead, the incident would not have happened (look at Kimi/Bottas at the same corner to see how it should be done properly). Having said that, Rosberg should have expected Hamilton to shut the door aggressively, and kept his nose away. So, it seems a racing incident to me.
      What is also interesting, is it seems Hamilton himself initially was not so sure about how the blame will be apportioned, and started his long lament about retiring the car. And well he might, as he was driving back to the pits way too quickly (as Brundle immediately spotted), and thus damaged the floor. And ended any hope of a recovery drive. Retiring a car will then appear a force majeure, and he will be free to blame Nico in all his troubles, conveniently forgetting his own mistakes.
      Finally, I can see now why Brawn didn’t want to stay with this team any more. Neither Wolff, nor Lauda seem to be capable of issuing team orders properly, and managing their drivers in general. This leads to internal politicking, and Hamilton looks set to try his hand at this.

      1. TimW says:

        Bottas was all the way past Kimi before the corner, Nico was never ahead of Lewis, barely even alongside. Totally Nico’s fault, every expert says so, Niki Lauda says so, only the die hard Lewis bashers think differently.

      2. RememberRonnie says:

        Well said.

      3. warley says:

        I would agree that Wolff and Lauda are making a hash of this. Too many cooks spoil the broth and having these two guys shooting from the hip without thinking of the bigger picture is not helping the Mercedes cause. If heads roll at the end of the season I think they are both in the frame! Ross Brawn must be ROFL !

    4. jota180 says:

      Vettel missed FP2 so had to go with some of Ricciado’s settings which didn’t suit him.

      1. Rohind says:

        Apparently some pretty heated discussions going on in Red Bull garage as well.

        Vettel denies lack of running in FP2 is not the reason. There was something fundamentally wrong with the car it seems.

        He was struggling throughout the race to keep the car in track. Heard some harsh words were exchanged in the Red bull garage.

        Wish to shed some light on this,James??????

  26. Anne says:

    Congrats to Ricciardo and the great team work by Red Bull. And Welcomeback Kimi Raikkonen!!! knew I could count on him for Spa. After the difficult season he has been having. This P4 must taste very sweet.

  27. Balsac says:

    Did the toys just go flying out of the pram. Guess we don’t have to hear about how Lewis never gives up any more

    1. Monza 71 says:

      On the contrary, Lee McKenzie said just how calm and collected Lewis was when she interviewed him.

      It was absolutely clear that the damage to his car made it impossible to score any points. This was apparent to him far sooner than it was to the team and he said that he could not even catch the Lotus of Grojean.

      Remember, Hamilton is already one engine down on Rosberg because of the fire in Hungary and he said that, as a result, he will be restricted in the mileage he can do in practice for the rest of the season.

      There was therefore no point in continuing the race and putting more miles on his current engine than necessary. If I had been him I would have retired the car immediately I realised how bad it was.

      When it comes to the last race with double points, Mercedes might regret keeping him out on track today.

      1. TimW says:

        Your wasting your time Monza, these people aren’t interested in the truth, only what they wish had happened so they would have a reason to bash Lewis.

      2. Rockman says:

        Monza, in sport you never ever give up until the fat lady is singing.

        Great thing about sport is you never know what happens even to the last lap. Imagine if someone had an off and caused a safety car? Lewis being at the right place at the right time could’ve earned him a haul of points or victory…

  28. Olivier says:

    … wow Ricciardo! Your first Classic Grand Prix! And first back to back. A heartfelt salute!

    As to Nico and Lewis. It was a clumsy racing incident. Nico needs to improve his wheel to wheel combats.

    Again, I loved the wheel to wheel racing in general throughout the Grand Prix. Especially the final laps between Button, KMag, Alonso and Vettel. Awesome stuff! It’d be a shame if this would get lost in the pursuit of speed and aero.

  29. Trebor says:

    Justin Haynes race report was disappointing very uncommital of the Hamilton / Rosberg incident, I assume you were there so would expect a view on the subject.
    Are we in for another Senna/Prost type incidents hope not. What can Mercedes do if they believe a driver is at fault, nothing really.
    This type of action may mean I suppose Mercedes lose one of their drivers , personally if it was me I would move elsewhere not worth having this agro in the same team.

  30. Kurik says:

    I believe the ham-ros incident to be a racing incident. Could have easily been the other way around. Feel it for Hamilton and as a fan of his very gutted but this is racing. It was inevitable. Good race overall. Rosberg has the luck of the race gods on his side this year. Massa and Hamilton just not in their favor.

  31. furstyferret says:

    Well done nico cost your team a guaranteed one two, it was a stupid mistake,100% your fault,.ewis had the racing line, and just a little clip, totally ruined which would have been a great scrap between the 2 of them, and again you demonstrate your absolutely pathetic race craft throughout the race, brilliant from the young aussie again, what a star, great to see kimi on form, vettals race a bit like most of them this season, bottas great again, he’s got my tenner for monza it it stays dry, chin up lewis, your well still in the fight..

    1. F1 Badger says:

      Great beer!

  32. Aj says:

    Very enjoyable race with some great racing right through the field
    It’s no longer a surprise – but Dan continues to prove himself a world class star.

    As for the mercs incident in Lap 2- just a racing incident. Nico’s fault on balance, but thats what happens sometimes when racing.
    Thats it. Nothing more it less, but that won’t stop many.

  33. KRB says:

    Hmm, I’m not sure you can say that Hamilton “shut the door” … he left Rosberg room, and was on the racing line. Rosberg it seems, was too anxious to regain the lead he lost at the start, that he clumsily kept his nose in (he nudged right twice, hitting Hamilton’s left rear on the 2nd nudge over). Vettel didn’t try to go around the outside there on lap 1, and he was further ahead of Lewis than Rosberg ever was! Silly and unnecessary from Rosberg, especially on lap 2 of the race!

    I hope all those that said that Hamilton cost Mercedes the race win in Hungary, will now rain down their disdain on Rosberg for ruining what was a dead-cert 1-2 for Mercedes in this race. Whereas Lewis said before the race that he was prepared to play the long game in the race, it appears Nico was not. He got beat off the line quite easily, then seemed in a panic to regain those places.

    I wouldn’t call it a penalizable incident, but it was unnecessary and total amateur hour from Rosberg. It reminded me of his overtaking attempt on Kimi at the last race … that also was clumsy, he was only saved there by Kimi seeing him. Rosberg’s pass attempt on Vettel later on (while in a VET-ROS-BOT train) was also overdone, allowing Bottas to pass him after he failed to overtake Vettel.

    Again I thought the SC should’ve been deployed b/c of all the tire debris from Lewis’ car around Blanchimont. There were a few laps there where that was quite dangerous for cars to be zipping through. I am puzzled why there wasn’t a SC there.

    I am surprised by how public both Wolff and Lauda were in pretty much condemning Rosberg for that incident. It’s going to be an interesting debrief for Mercedes, that’s for sure!

    Great race from Ricciardo again … he’s now only 35 pts behind Hamilton, which is ridiculous (from Mercedes viewpoint, I mean). Mercedes will have to make sure that Ricciardo is mathematically excluded from the title race before Abu Dhabi. If he was less than 50 pts back, and both Mercedes drivers took each other out, and Dan took the WDC, it would be a monumental embarrassment. It would be embarrassing if he was even able to split the Mercedes drivers.

    1. Bradley says:

      Which would have been less than a win if not dsq in Australia!

    2. Drgraham lewis says:

      +1

      He took the line he was entitled to and was completely out of the way. NR turned away then back into his rear wheel…

      And on lap 2 the whole championship changed from ‘great racing’ to an example of a not particularly good racer (as history shows) in an exceptional car behaving as you would expect.

      Well done to DR for picking up the bits – at least he races cleanly in a not particularly exceptional car.

      The interview with NR after…. Frankly sickening…

      1. JF says:

        Think of it this way: would you pull out n front of a gas tanker with your family in the car just because you felt you were entitled?

        Lewis could have avoided, not excusing Nico, but Lewis could have avoided.

      2. KRB says:

        JF, all of the drivers know what is expected when you’re fighting in a corner like that. Nico would only know too well that it was Lewis’ corner. He’s made a few references before to knowing that it’s the lead car’s corner, and “he’s the boss” for it. And those were the times where Hamilton wedged him out, in Bahrain and Hungary. In that corner in Belgium, Nico had PLENTY of room to bail out of it, tuck back in, and be attacking again at the next corner.

        Nico obviously felt entitled to scupper the team result on Sunday … Mercedes are lucky they scored 18 pts, it could’ve been zero. Nico had plenty of room to move into, to avoid the collision. He turned INTO Lewis. Nico did a Maldonado there.

        Someone should make up a collage, with the Monaco spin, the spin in China Q3, the contact with Bottas down to turn 1 at China, cutting the last chicane in Canada, the reckless dive down on Kimi in Hungary (or on Bottas, or on Vergne), the contact at Les Combes, and the hash of a move on Vettel in Spa … with the title “This Guy Could Be Our F1 Champion?!?”

        He’s in the catbird seat, in terms of the championship, but his drives to get there have been less than edifying.

    3. C63 says:

      I expect you have seen the stuff over on the BBC – Hamilton is claiming Rosberg admitted he could have avoided the incident and chose not too – a Mercedes spokesman has said that Hamiltons version of what was said in the post race debrief is accurate. Toto says that action will be taken…..
      Watch this space.

    4. buzzzzzzzz says:

      KRB

      It’s worse than you thought, Nico admitted he did it deliberately!

      1. effffone says:

        Says who? His team mate who has a history of lying?

    5. Ryan says:

      Hamilton was lucky Kimi saw him banzai-ing up the inside a race or two ago not Rosberg??? But all the Hamiliton fans called it a brilliant overtaking manouver??? But if Kimi didn’t give him room it would have ended in tears for them both!!! That’s happened a few times between them over the years thanks to Hamilton…

      1. KRB says:

        That was Rosberg on Kimi in Hungary … if Kimi took the corner in the usual way, there would’ve been contact. Rosberg basically barged him out, and Kimi, not wanting to affect the championship battle, got out of the way and compromised his own race.

      2. Ryan says:

        @KRB – In Germany it was Hamilton on Kimi and he actually hit Kimi! If you did a “montage” of questionable over takes Hamilton would lead Rosberg by a mile! Lol

      3. Ryan says:

        @KRB – Watched the on board footage of Hungary to see the Rosberg overtake you were talking about on Kimi and have to say as a Kimi fan I just see Kimi get boxed in behind Bottas on Turn 1, giving Nico the opportunity to take him??? Kimi might have been squeezed a bit but not by much? Hamilton definitely shut the door on Rosberg in a big way on Turn 2 later in the race with a serious turn to the right into him to push him out onto the runoff and almost onto the grass…little wonder Rosberg is pissed at him especially after something worse in Bahrain!

  34. kenneth chapman says:

    what a simply stunning drive by ricci. ballsy yet cool, gets the job done. as for the mercedes duo, what can one say? a racing incident, in my opinion, and obviously so, as far as the stewards are concerned but the knives will be out. it could be said that rosberg caused it but even if he was in the wrong and i personally don’t think he was, hamilton could’ve widened his line slightly and still kept track position at the same time preserving his car from contact. hamilton would have had rosberg clearly in his mirrors.

    i guess the question is, did hamilton chop and hit rosberg or did rosberg hit hamilton. hamilton had the call as it was his racing line so a tough call. in the end i put it down to a racing incident. was not impressed by hamilton’s desire to end his race early. yes, it was a pragmatic decision but he is there to race not to go home early.

    the scrap for the last five positions in the top ten was a real shoot out and provided some entertaining action. must admit though that the last 10 laps were edge of the couch stuff and i was impressed at how ricci was able to maintain his times and at the same time preserve enough to see him safely through to the chequered flag. bottas also gets a guernsey for a really great drive as well. he is proving to be to be an asset for williams and he is bringing in some big points which will help the team immensely.

    a really good race overall. honey badgers take no prisoners.

    1. C63 says:

      @Kenneth Chapman
      it could be said that rosberg caused it but even if he was in the wrong and i personally don’t think he was, hamilton could’ve widened his line slightly and still kept track position at the same time preserving his car from contact. hamilton would have had rosberg clearly in his mirrors….

      Last time we had a debate about the rights and wrongs of an incident (Silverstone crash barrier repair) you were very keen to inform me that Niki Lauda agreed with your viewpoint and as he is an ex 3xWDC etc he knows what’s what. Well I am sure you will be delighted to hear that Niki was interviewed by SKY and he blamed Rosberg 100% – so can I expect you to change your stance, as you have already acknowledged Niki is the expert? Or is he only right, if he happens to have the same opinion as you ;-)
      With regard to Hamilton view in his mirror; they dissected the whole thing on SKY with frame by frame analysis as well as the CGI virtual imagery they use – Hamilton couldn’t see Rosberg at the moment of impact – so sorry, your armchair expertise is once again somewhat wide of the mark :-)

      1. TimW says:

        Your wasting your time C63, Kenneth loves picking holes in other people’s posts, demanding evidence etc, but never responds when people ask him difficult questions.

    2. TimW says:

      What a surprise, you think it was Hamilton’s fault! I can’t help thinking that if the position s were reversed you would be (rightly) calling it totally Lewis’s fault. Nico was never alongside and should have ceded the corner, it’s a pretty basic principle of race driving. Lauda was pretty clear about it being Nico’s mistake and obviously he knows a lot more than you about these things.
      Your right about Ricciardo though, brilliant driving.

      1. Sami says:

        I did have a pretty good opinion on Nico when the season started, as I well remember his dad’s races. He could not be further away of what great Keke was, however.
        I did not trust him a bit in Monaco after the incident that gave him the Pole Position, and after Les Combes today never will.
        Really, really disappointing fellow.
        I just hope that Lewis is in for a new edition of Seb’s 2010 World Championship, when he only led when it mattered, after the last race.
        I would just be poetic justice.
        Go Lewis!

    3. KRB says:

      That you could possibly consider Hamilton’s line a “chop” is beyond me, but hey, it wouldn’t be the first time I’d be mystified at the opinions held by certain sections of F1 fandom. It was nothing of the sort. Nico apparently has claimed that he could’ve avoided it, but didn’t so as to “prove a point”. Not sure what point that was, but nice going Rosberg!

      I think Merc will institute team orders now, at least at various times in the race. In this race, for example, once Nico had regained 2nd from Vettel, the order would be to hold position and to pull a decent gap to the cars behind, before allowing them to race each other for the lead.

      I would love to know if Rosberg used the “illegal” engine setting to catch up to Lewis at the end of lap 1, into lap 2. I think Nico thought that he had to get the place back off Lewis there and then, before Lewis could stretch his legs. Shoddy driving. Still, it’s another mistake from Rosberg in which he’s the main beneficiary. Hardly the stuff of a champion-elect.

      Thought it was hilarious that Rosberg claimed that the only fans booing him were British fans.

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        I’m not sure about Driver of the Day, but Rosberg Junior wins Wally of the Weekend hands down!

      2. JF says:

        As I said above:

        Think of it this way: would you pull out n front of a gas tanker with your family in the car just because you felt you were entitled?
        Lewis could have avoided, not excusing Nico who could also have avoided by running off track. Lewis knew Nico was there, he did not have to go completely to apex, but he did.

        Had both been thinking they could have had an easy 1-2, and I think Lewis would have prevailed.

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        @KRB…. glad to hear that you got your jollies from rosbergs comments about British F1 hooligans booing a guy who has just raced his nuts off? i can understand people booing when vettel cheated but that was a totally different scenario.

        i take it that you were there and saw all the other nationalities participating in the ‘mass vent’. were there many french/belgian/dutch[ et al] people in the crowd mix. let me know, i’m interested……

      4. Greg (Aus) says:

        @kenneth.chapman – I was there, and I can tell you it was certainly more than just the Poms booing Rosberg, even the German fans near me looked uncomfortable about it. I think the booing had a lot more to do with everyone being so disappointed that what they had hoped would be an epic, race long battle was over on lap 2 thanks to an entirely avoidable incident.

        Don’t forget, those of us get at the track didn’t get 800 replays and expert analysis all race, we saw it once and got one replay.

    4. Nickh says:

      Unbelievable you can even consider it was Hamiltons fault

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        remember the old cliche…it takes two tango. despite all of the confected hoo har about this event, daniel showed them all what is possible. stunning drive.

  35. Kenneth M'Boy says:

    At this rate, Dan should start thinking about getting 2nd in the championship. After Monza, a lot of the tracks will suit Red Bull and I think the championship may now get really ugly between the Mercedes team(not)mates. Heck, he might do a Kimi’07 and win the the thing.

    To comment on the incident, Nico is very cunning, clever and is prepared to risk for desperate measures. Lewis needs to get over that this championship is his god given right and stop underestimating his teammate. Fire up, man. His attitude was lousy after the incident. For a guy who knows that championships are won in the last corner I was very surprised by how defeatist he sounded. The team will soon start putting all resources towards the more positive and constructive Rosberg camp soon.

    1. Sujith says:

      Exactly my point about Dan doing a Kimi to win. You beat me to it to comment :P

    2. matt says:

      his car was badly damaged,he had lost about 50 points of downforce,so he had no chance of getting points.plus he is one engine down on nico which could cost him more points.so he was racing for nothing.so why not save your engine.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        hamilton drove like ‘goose’ on the return to his pit. if he had taken a bit more care then he woudn’t have damaged the floor so badly. not a very clever guy this hamilton.

      2. KRB says:

        @kenneth … (groan)

    3. Nico is indeed no push over, is he? It must have been a lot easier with Kovalainen back in the day!

  36. kc says:

    Fantastic win by Ricciardo. What a superstar. If you weren’t sure about him before this race, you have to be now. Irrespective of the Mercedes sideshow, he took on Kimi/Alonso/Vettel (and the Williams of Bottas) head to head and obliterated the. Very impressed

    1. Wade Parmino says:

      Three wins and no pole positions. What this says to me is that Ricciardo is a phenomenal racer and quick when it counts. A future legend. Drivers with more wins than poles are the best drivers. More poles than wins mean a driver is quicker but, More wins than poles mean a driver is better.

      1. Lewis says:

        What so Ayrton Senna wasn’t one of the GOATs because he had more poles than wins? Rubbish, especially back then when reliability was poor.

      2. effffone says:

        More wins than poles: Schumi, Prost, Alonso, Stewart, Lauda.

        More poles than wins: Senna, Vettel, Hamilton, Clark, Mansell.

      3. AdamJ says:

        Umm Senna?

      4. Wade Parmino says:

        I expected people would rebut my argument with the Senna example. Senna was undoubtedly one of the greatest. His greatness stemmed from his phenomenal speed and unparallelled ballsy driving. This gave him a lot of pole positions. As for being an all rounded race driver, he wasn’t on the same level as Prost.

        Prost had a sublime talent that didn’t look as quick as it actually was. Prost also was a calculating strategist with a brilliant technical mind and a sympathy for his car. Prost would make sure he was quickest when he needed to be, seizing opportunities that presented themselves and capitalizing on the weaknesses and mistakes of other drivers. These attributes resulted in less pole positions but more wins. He also experienced the same era of high rates of unreliability as Senna did. Since wins are more important than poles, it speaks for itself really.

    2. Ryan says:

      100% agree!

  37. Thompson says:

    Good drive DR…..

    Solid performance by Bottas and Kimi.

    How can the stewards not look into the avoidable incident between Hamilton and Rosberg?.

    By not backing out of the corner he by his action compromised the leaders race. I’m staggered it was not even investigated.

    Really disappointed with Rosberg, this is not a sign of toughness – he is letting himself down.

    Good race tarnished – the stewards…… Oh boy.

    1. iGOR BdA says:

      Have you ever watched a F1 race before? That’s what is called a RACING INCIDENT… Oh the bias…

    2. Drgraham lewis says:

      +1000

      But then – what do you expect when the guy causing the issue says he needs to see the telly before he comments and its Spa… And LH in the lead….

  38. C63 says:

    Well done Danny – he is for sure the real deal, once again showing his #1 teammate the way home.
    As for Rosberg, he couldn’t make his way past one driver without contact – kinda puts into perspective the stunning job that Hamilton has done at the last 2 races when he has overtaken almost the entire field! Ironic that a number of posters felt Hamilton was clumsy when he was overtaking 20 odd cars and had a couple of minor (non race ending) brushes. Perhaps it’s not quite as easy as you naysayers thought.

    1. effffone says:

      Rewatch Hungary, Hamilton drove into cars twice. Even Alonso drove into a car in Belgium. We know the Spaniard has race craft.

    2. Bradley says:

      Hamilton had the advantage of not trying to overtake a Hamilton in a Mercedes.

    3. Gaz Boy says:

      Rosberg was 100% at fault for ruining Lewis race – and losing Merc constructors points……………not to mention what should have been an easy 1-2.

      1. JF says:

        Racing incident.

  39. Rob says:

    Rosberg has shown he has the killer instinct needed to be F1 champion, and of course he won’t admit fault unless forced to by team/public pressure, but he just doesn’t have the skill of Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel (when on a good day), and seemingly Ricciardo too. I feel sorry for Hamilton, but the Fates are favouring Rosberg this year.

  40. luqa says:

    LH vs NR incident: Racing incident, to quote the author of this piece : “Hamilton shut the door, the two collided”. Feel sorry that LH had a puncture an spoilt his race, but that’s what happens sometimes. The same could have happened to SV. FA clipped his wing on the back of SV’s car. Does that point the finger at either driver? Emphatic NO- racing incident!

    If this same (Mercedes) incident had happen to say Sauber, Caterham, Marussia or Williams, there would be no discussion at all in the press or among the fans and no very disrespectful booing at the podium ceremony.

    Mercedes in the form of NL and TW now whinging and washing their internal laundry in public is very disrespectful and disingenuous towards BOTH drivers, since they set the parameters up for the situation to get so out of control and letting the drivers fight each other.

    You can’t have it both ways, either you let them race and live with the consequences such as racing incidents, or you impose team orders and make sure they are followed. This dithering back and forth sends mixed messages to both drivers.

    1. Hal says:

      The author of this piece has a view but it does not make him right. Every other expert quite clearly stated Hamilton kept his racing line (and not shut the door) as he is in entitled to do. It’s the job of the guy behind not to run into the guy in front.

    2. Drgraham lewis says:

      He did not shut the door. The editorial is a joke. He followed his racing line giving NR plenty of room and was run into. Given he was 90% in front at that point what else was he to do?
      Its a chicane.

      Regardless it would appear NR admitted it citing he was still angry over his inability to pass LH in Hungary… As apparently commented on in a meeting last Thursday.

      Frankly completely shamefull

      And this guy has some 20 more races under his belt than LH…

      1. JF says:

        Racing incident

    3. Kevin says:

      Agree that it lookd like pure racing incident to me. Nico wasnt fast/brave enough that he didnt put his car far ahead enough to stop lewis from taking the race line. Lewis surely saw where Nico was coming, it was absolutely fine to squash Nico a little so that Nico wouldnt dare to try again in the future. It was totally unlucky to pick up a puncture, but it happens.

      I have never heard someone thats in contention of the champ n wanted to pull out a race so desparately as Lewis. Personally i feel he got edged out by Nico. When Nico pulls right up against Lewis in a similar situation again, Lewis will just let Nico through

      Was also surprised to hear what nikki lauds gotta say after the racing. It was a little harsh on Nico from the sound of it but, who has got a multi year contract with Merc? It is not Lewis. Therefore, the true meaning of Nikki is that he was giving an approval for Nico.

  41. Craig D says:

    One could say it’s surprising it’s taken till the second half of the season for the Mercedes pair to collide!

    Clearly Rosberg’s fault on lap 2, though it was a just clumsy racing incident on his part. But he should have known to back out as he wasn’t far enough ahead. What it does show though is how much tougher Rosberg is, and has become, than I think most would have expected. I think most would have had him down as quite wet and a push over at the start of the season but he’s got a hard, defiant quality now, as evidenced by his post race talks. And these are things a champion needs – even if they’re not desirable in that Schumacher manner of ruthlessness. Maybe Hamilton’s 4-race winning streak earlier in the season has brought this out of him. It also highlights what a Championship battle can bring out of someone’s character that may have appeared hidden before.

    Again, Hamilton is on the back foot but he’ll have his days in the races to come.

    Well done Ricciardo again. Really is the man this season. And although it’s still very unlikely, it’s worth pointing out that Ricciardo is only 64 points I think off the lead. It isn’t too far fetched to imagine a scenario where Ricciardo gets to the final race within 50 points of the Mercedes pair, Mercedes have a double retirement, and Ricciardo wins Brazil (and gains the stupid double points wins) and wins the Championship!

  42. Marc P says:

    I’m a Hamilton fan, but in my mind, he hasn’t done enough to DESERVE the championship yet. Nico has put himself in a position to out-qualify Lewis more often than not when Lewis didn’t have problems, which has led to Lewis’ difficulties.

    Lewis always seems to be the victim, but at Monaco (nico out qualified him on the first Q3 run which allowed the controversy in the second run) and Montreal (Lewis suffered more heat issues behind Rosberg that led to his retirement, might have been different if he was in front), for example.

    Now in Spa, Lewis could have easily given Nico a half-meter of space, regardless of who owns the line, and then no issue.

    If Lewis wants sympathy for his bad luck, then he needs to demonstrate that he can dominate his teammate and TAKE the championship. Otherwise, to me it has been marginal between the two and then it comes down to who has the least bad luck and mistakes. Sorry, advantage Rosberg….

    Show us something Lewis….

    1. Nickh says:

      No it does to work like that. Hamilton had optimum line in the corner, the inside! So Rosberg should have braked. Terrible driving and hugely costly for ham. Has Rosberg even shouldered any blame? Coward

    2. trev says:

      utter rubbish.
      first lap Vettel tried the same move, further ahead, no collision.
      Rosberg just got hot headed.
      Plus Rosberg showed how bad he is in traffic when screwing up later against Vettel and trashing a set of tyres and losing a place. I it wasn’t for that he’d have won the race at a canter

    3. Drgraham lewis says:

      You need to see the replay pal – Lewis could not have given him space.

      Just another LH ‘get at him’ type hiding behind supposedly sensible words.

      For goodness sake when no one thinks the moved was on – how can you suggest otherwise?

    4. Brent says:

      Well said.

  43. aveli says:

    rosberg is a dirty dirty dirty little ….. of a driver. not intelligent at all. i will not be surprised if he paid dodgy fitters to put a bogy in hamilton’s car. from monaco he just went for it come rain or shine. I saw him turn his wheel furthest and violently to they right bang on time to cut hamilton’s tyre. he was in the same position on two other occasions and yet didn’t cut any of their tyres with his front wing.
    the most intelligent driver is hamilton and we all heard him speak to that effect. the mercedes management understand that they cannot hide from it and had to own up to take the heat away after their experience of the fans’ wraf. hamilton said it all the manage to talk and do nothing about it, even the stewards didn’t consider investigating the incident let alone reprimanding rosberg. at the start of he season ecclestone said he wanted rosberg to win the championship and I thought he was joking but now i believe he meant it. this is a man who can pay his way to what whatever he wants.
    hamilton will never cut rosberg’s tyre to win more points than rosberg. he’d rather lose the championship than apply dirty tactics. that is the mark of the best driver to have stepped foot in the sport.
    what a race though! mugnussen driver of the day by a long shot. alonso bottas ricciardo button and vettel all battling it out full steam. they put on a great show and i can’t wait to see them in action again monza.

    1. effffone says:

      Hamilton the best driver, with one Championship?

      1. Peter says:

        No, its Kimi.

      2. RememberRonnie says:

        And even that was a lucky one – safety car gave him Monaco win and the famous Timo Glock slowing in Brazil gave him that extra point he needed. Hamilton is not yet the best driver – the fastest maybe but there is still too much missing. He needs to mature quickly before his natural talent starts to fade and then (and only then) he might possibly become the best driver for a while. But with Ricciardo, Bottas, Kvyat, Magnussen and possibly Verstappen all likely to develop more quickly than LH, he cannot afford to stay as he is for much longer.

      3. aveli says:

        the number of championships doesn’t matter. schumacher has seven and is not described as the best. there are numerous videos of hamilton from karting to f3 to gp2 to f1 where he overtakes with flair unseen displayed by any other driver. have a look at them and try your level best to find me footage of other drivers who have driven better.

      4. Rachael says:

        Jochen Rindt

      5. greg says:

        It’s Kimi because he deserves more than one championship (2005 and 2003). Hamilton barely deserved the one he won.

    2. Gaz Boy says:

      Rosberg Junior’s spatial awareness is dire. Other drives should take note………….

      1. The battle of Bahrain would suggest otherwise.

      2. effffone says:

        How about Alonso’s spacial awareness? He clearly drove into a competitor in Spa.

      3. JF says:

        Racing incident

    3. Ryan says:

      Ha! Ha! What RUBBISH ! Bahrain??? He would have taken Nico out rather than let him pass!

    4. kenneth chapman says:

      hahaha… i bet that your are british gaz boy.

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        RE Kenneth: In all fairness a couple of days ago I did post a comment saying after qualifying “Keep it clean lads”.
        Whatever nationality, all of us spectators were robbed of a humdinger between Lewis and Rosberg Junior, which is a shame – and an injustice!

  44. Mojo66 says:

    Typical Hamilton, pretending to be alone on the race track instead of using his brain, acknowledge that Rosberg is there and just drive a slightly tighter and thus safer line to avoid a collision. I’m not saying it’s Hamilton’s fault alone, I’d say it’s 50/50, but he needs to learn that people sometimes don’t simply yield. Apparently, Rosberg has been playing it too nicely up until now.

    1. roberto marquez says:

      You watched you TV upside down ??????

    2. Richard says:

      Hamilton did nothing wrong as he kept to the racing which he was entitled to, and the fault was all Rosberg’s without any shadow of a doubt. Moreover Mercedes have come out and said so. Rosberg should have fell back or gone wider, but he kept his foot in which was highly clumsy at best, but something more sinister at worst. – He should forfeit one race. – Sorry two races for the stunt he pulled in Monaco.

    3. danny says:

      Not sure it’s a case of ‘yielding’ here. More a case of ‘leaving my front wing in’.

    4. Brian Bell says:

      watch the incident from on-board Rosberg’s car….he turns hard right at just the right time. I think he did it on purpose….same as Monaco

      1. Tickety-boo says:

        +1

      2. Mike says:

        Absolutely Rosberg’s fault, He discovered how easy it was to get away with [mod] in Monaco. There seems to be very poor management in F1. People on track in dangerous situations, without a safety car etc. It’s not good enough.

    5. TimW says:

      Laughable attempt to blame Lewis for something that was clearly Nico’s fault.

      1. Tickety-boo says:

        More sad than laughable…

    6. Lohani says:

      I agree Mojo66. That was exactly a 50-50, racing incident. On two occasions before (In Bahrain and I think Spain) Lewis blocked at the last minute. Nico yielded then. This time Rosberg’s better judgment failed him, hence the incident. Not his fault nor Lewis’ fault entirely. Interestingly, in Monza 2011, when Schumi closed the door on Ham (when Ham was fairly behind Schumi), David Coulthard brought out the rule book.

      On this particular incident, both cars entered that corner roughly side by side. Of course, Lewis was on the inside and defending. He had a shorter turning radius (came out ahead). Nico had to take a longer radius (hence slowed) compared to the car on the inside – simple defending strategy and simple math. Unless a car has at least 30% overlap (should be 60% overlap if rules are enforced every time), both cars are entitled to space all the way through the exit of the corner. In this case, Lewis had the right to block, since he came out ahead. Nico had to make the pass without making a collision. Lewis cut across late, which technically he can do. But, a late block leaves the car behind without much reaction time to avoid an incident. Hence, it was a racing incident and no penalty.

      Interesting to see Lewis politicizing the incident thereafter, making the Merc pair of Lauda and Wolff worried and overreact. Was this the “pain” you were planning to inflict on Nico, Lewis? Mercedes is the 3rd favored road car brand in the UK, isn’t it? The first two being Volkswagen and Audi (all German).

      Lauda and Wolff, do you work for Lewis or Mercedes?. The Hungary team order showed just how inefficient the pair of them are with regards to driver management. Today’s incident was just a racing incident, but Lauda and Wolff took the opportunity to blow it out of proportion and senselessly blamed Rosberg. It’s their fault for being indecisive earlier in the season that gave rise to this no-trust-in-teammate attitude and precedent. Apparently, Lewis “believes” (along with his die hard fans) that Nico purposefully erred in Monaco. It is this attitude that needs changing. You don’t pounce on a loyal and faithful employee (in Nico) from the last 4 years just to make British fans feel good. This is nothing more than damage control from Lauda/Wolff for a) Lewis’ reliability issues earlier in the season, and b) another DNF for Lewis today from a racing incident. Since the Germans have lost interest in F1, I suppose the British F1 fans are all F1 have left. Gotta please ‘em, regardless of script, plot and sanctity.

      The Nico bashing will yet again come down to haunt the magnificently indecisive duo (Lauda, Wolff) later. Meanwhile, Ricciardo clinches another smart victory. Good to see Kimi up at 4th for once. Ferrari deserved a drive through today.

      1. Bradley says:

        I’m not sure that Rosberg used better judgement in Bahrain and Spain, and lost it here. Yielding to Hamilton when he crossed the limits did two things – it gave Hamilton 14 points in the championship battle, and it solidified that in close quarters Hamilton could count on Rosberg to move out of his way, letting Hamilton come out ahead in 50-50 situations. I thought back then that Rosberg was being too soft and it would cost him the championship. Here, he kept himself in it, and instead of letting Hamilton push him around, he let Hamilton cut into him and take both cars out.

        When there are no other competitors in the field, that’s a better result all round for Rosberg.

      2. RememberRonnie says:

        Very well said. Agree 100%.

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        @ bradley…you make some good points. prior to rosberg taking the drive at mercedes i used to label rosberg as an ‘easybeat’ for his soft approach. on so many occasions i was left dumbfounded by his lack of fighting spirit. to be a successful F1 driver you need to have a decent modicum of the ‘mongrel element’ in your make up. what that means is that you are no ones patsy and you need to drive hard but fair. not giving an inch when it comes to a challenge.

        over the year rosberg has finally grown up and understands that you have to go and grab lead. otherwise others will walk all over you. i welcome that fact and i now think that rosberg can hold his own against hamilton and then some.

      4. Rohind says:

        Well said.

        Agree 100%

      5. Lohani says:

        Good point, Bradley. Makes a lot of sense. Rosberg should now go back to default, rather than lose his calm in the coming races, because he’ll fall right into Lewis’ trap. The battle of wits so far has gone more so in Rosberg’s favor. He’ll need to stay calm and calculated as usual to maintain that.

        The on and off Rosberg-targeted gibe from Lewis, and the late blocks, point to two things – 1) Lewis is playing mind games to rattle Rosberg (a strategy Lewis chose to use from the start of the season – unforced and unprovoked); and 2) Lewis wants Rosberg to feel like the lesser man on track and be intimidated.

        The mind games haven’t worked, though the on-track teammate battle has gone in Lewis’ favor so far. Lewis continuing to use psychological games against Nico (despite its inefficacy) points to Lewis’ internal insecurity – my two cents on pop psychology. On the track, Lewis has an upper hand, especially in races. The qualifying errors are a result of Lewis pushing too much trying to do a flamboyant and dominant lap, while Nico has simply concentrated on finishing the lap on situational merit.

        While from arguments’ sake, it was good of Rosberg to man up on that corner and refuse to be a pushover, he must work on his overtaking skills in the long run. This is the one skill Rosberg needs to master if he wants to win this title. The speed, mentality and drive is there, but his overtaking isn’t up to Lewis’ standards. He can defend while still in management mode, but his offense isn’t quite developed. This is something Lewis knows, which is why he overdoes qualifying and makes mistakes trying too hard to nail qualifying. And, the pressure adds up if he keeps on failing. Having said all that, it was Rosberg who lost the lead at Spa on start. You put yourself on the back foot, Nico, and then tried too hard to overtake Lewis with a move that wasn’t going to work at that point. Whether the message to Lewis about not cutting across will work or not, time will tell. This is F1. Aggressive defense is part of the game, so overtaking prowess is a rewarding skill on track.

        In championing Lewis’ title fight, I’ll repeat what others have said time and again – don’t talk too much, because it comes back to haunt you (has happened throughout the season); just concentrate on the on-track part of the game. And, please don’t make yourself vulnerable to conspiracy theories. Monaco is long gone in the annals of history. The situation was investigated by the stewards and Nico was cleared of wrongdoing. If you continue to be influenced negatively about that incident, you’ll lose the title, Lewis. Think of a happy place (I’ll pounce back from every misfortune and lost opportunity; I’m one with the universe, etc). Lewis, you’ll win the title by your efforts. Concentrate on that rather than oration, I’d say.

        This title battle is getting really interesting as both drivers inherent weaknesses are being tested on the second half of the season. Who will get on top of either demons stopping them? Will be interesting to watch!

    7. Ryan says:

      My thoughts exactly! Bahrain proved it!

  45. Harvey Kovert says:

    Why no stewards inquiry in relation to the Hamilton Rosberg contact?

    The most frustrating aspect of this situation is that the stewards have applied penalties previously in situations such as this and. in this instance for it to affect the one driver who hasn’t made an error so much more detrimentally that the driver whose error it was is unacceptable.

    Any thoughts James?

    1. iGOR BdA says:

      Have you ever watched a F1 race before? That’s what is called a RACING INCIDENT…

    2. Bradley says:

      Presumably an obvious racing incident and no need to investigate only to reach that conclusion.

    3. German Samurai says:

      Hamilton didn’t get one when he clipped Button in Germany.

      Just a racing incident. No-one at fault. Hamilton probably should have left more room given he would have had the inside line for the next corner. That would have been the smarter thing to do, but Hamilton likes to race aggressive. Some times it works, some times it doesn’t.

      1. matt says:

        button said lewis wasnt to blame.because you could tell it was a misunderstanding.this wasnt.

      2. Harvey Kovert says:

        It would seem that no matter how much room Hamilton left him the intention of Rosberg was to prove a point by running in to him!

        Surely if this admission is accurate then retrospective action ought to be taken to a]. remove the points Rosberg acquired for his 2nd place and b]. he should receive a 1 race ban.

      3. Ryan says:

        Exactly! Pass on Kimi a race or two ago proves it!

      4. German Samurai says:

        “It would seem that no matter how much room Hamilton left him the intention of Rosberg was to prove a point by running in to him!”

        It was Hamilton who cut across and left no room for Rosberg.

  46. Doug SA says:

    Blundering Rosberg!!! If he wins the championship this way, it will surely be an embarrasment to the sport! Couldnt catch and overtake a Torro Rosso last race, but suddenly decides he can go round the outside of the fastest car on the grid this race. Pathetic from the so called “thinking driver” In fact, idiotic!

    1. Bradley says:

      Nico was fastest on the grid if I recall correctly.

      1. Doug SA says:

        Yes he was…..but unfortunately has 0 racecraft!

      2. aveli says:

        did he not start on pole?

    2. effffone says:

      Alonso did the same. Is he an idiot too?

      1. Doug SA says:

        Of course not! Alonso doesnt take 8 laps (and fail!) to overtake Torro Rossos. He is in a totally different league to this overated Germen muppet, soon to be the first DNF Champion.

    3. Ryan says:

      Hamilton “Blundered” into Kimi a race or two ago BUT his fans called that a brilliant overtake! What a laugh!

  47. Drgraham lewis says:

    Shocking frankly…

  48. Methusalem says:

    “Hamilton shut the door”
    What door? I haven’t seen any door. I saw and heard M. Brundle and Eddie Jordan trying to be diplomatic about every aspect of the race action — I find it dishonest and boring.

    1. mixmeister73 says:

      Spot on… Clear cut dodgery by NR and what he said in post race interview was stupidity level 9000+. NR said on being asked by EJ on the incident ” I dont know, I havent seen it on tv so I cant really say” wtf he was right there in the thick of it and he’s like nope I wasnt there.

    2. JF says:

      Racing incident

  49. aveli says:

    coulthard was poor in the commentary box today. instead of telling us about what’s happening in track, he goes to coo-coo land, talking a whole lot of rubbish.

    1. Phil Glass says:

      Lol.. The only commentator at the BBC is James. I gave up on the rest long ago.

  50. ian says:

    ‘ shipped’ ?

  51. aveli says:

    the most intelligent driver in f1 talked to his team for 41 laps asking his team to save his engine. he was in the car and knew that he couldn’t pass any car even if the safety car was deployed. the team management too over 35 laps to realise what hamilton was trying to tell them. they didn’t have enough of a mental capacity to understand what he was telling them. they should employ hamilton as a driver manager and he will sort hem all out.

    1. The Truth, Aussie style says:

      Agree they should have retired the car earlier, safety car or not the car was too damaged, but to label Lewis the most intelligent driver on the grid is a bit rich in my opinion, especially after Lewis trashed the floor of his car on the way back to the pitlane. He was hard done by by the contact from Rosberg whom I think was just trying to pull in behind Lewis again (the second right movement), albeit extremely amateurish like; but definitely not a smart way to drive with a puncture back to the pits. Also let’s hear more about the young 1st generation Aussie Danny Ric and less about how the world is against lewis because the fact is that he has more talent than every driver but he gets too emotive all the time like a diva, he needs to act calm and collected like Dan does behind the wheel and he will beat Rosberg this year in the WDC.

  52. finster says:

    Excellent race at Spa as usual. Very disappointed at the fans reaction to Rosbergs second place. Despicable crowd response. He drove the wheels off the car only to be booed by the fans who don’t appreciate his effort, which was of championship quality. In my view it was a racing incident between Nico and Lewis, nothing more. Nico is respectful, well spoken, and has the measure of Lewis. Once again Lewis fell on his sword. I,m surprised he admitted his mistake in a post race interview.
    Great win for the Smiling Assassin. You cannot help but like Daniel Ricciardo. Bottas again shows he is the real deal. Would have liked to see Kimi on the podium. I;m hoping Spa wasnt one and back to midfield running for Kimi Another silly mistake by Ferrari cost them a good points haul. I would imagine Alonso is not a happy camper after todays race because he drove like he was possessed. I am surprised his eyes didn’t burn holes in his visor. Spa delivers once again, fantastic racing. Even with my dislike of the new formula, the racing has been very good.

    1. Graham Bowman says:

      “He drove the wheels off the car only to be booed by the fans who don’t appreciate his effort,”
      he got booed because he ruined what should of been a good race,
      2nd lap is not when you win the race! A racing incedent it is but a very clinical one of that.
      All depends if you are a Lewis lover or hater but let me point out Lewis comes from pit lane to second and the haters said its because he has got a fast car, Rosberg drops to 9th then finishes second and you say he drove the wheels of his car.

      1. finster says:

        After reading about the blow up behind closed doors, I am now wondering what the “point to prove” might be? They are one and two in the WDC. I still believe it was a racing incident, although an incredibly stupid one on both their parts. After Spa does anyone think either of them will yield to the other? Nico doesn’t want to come across as a push over and Lewis will be Lewis. Merc has made their bed on this one. There is bad blood between team mates, especially now and Toto and Lauda better get control because it looks to get worse rather than better. From this point to the end of the season, I don’t think Nico or Lewis will obey team orders, if Merc chooses to issue them. Now Lewis will feel that he has a “point to prove”. The warm and fuzzy feeling has left the paddock at Mercedes. In my opinion they are equally at fault,with Rosberg taking the better part of the blame by just a little. They could have wrecked both cars and not finished the race and even if Lewis had won the race Rosberg would still have the points lead finishing 2nd.

    2. Nickh says:

      He also drove the rear left wheel off his teammate and only championship rival, totally justifiable booing

    3. simonb says:

      Don’t you mean “drove the wheels off Hamilton’s car” And your surprised by Hamilton’s response,
      Given the flack he’s received in the past I’m not one bit surprised he took the diplomatic approach, if you think Rosberg was blameless then you are in the minority on this point, I don’t agree with the booing, however Rosberg has not helped the situation by his “that’s racing” comment on the podium, his body language in the interview with Lee Mckenzie said it all, like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar. How many times have we seen Hamilton hold his hands up and say “sorry it was my mistake” but Rosberg’s refusal to do just that has now opened him up to a torrent of abuse. So I’m afraid he’s just going to have to deal with it.
      Stellar drive from Riccy again, showing how much he’s growing in to wdc potential. Great drive from Bottas, getting better and better.

    4. matt says:

      nico had a poor race.bad start,bad lock up,stupid attemped overtake.but the car is so much faster,2nd place in spa is the least he should have got.

    5. Ryan says:

      “I am surprised his eyes didn’t burn holes in his visor” Lol!!! Love that comment!

  53. PeterF says:

    I simply do not believe that Nico was not taking matters into his own hands today, to correct what he saw as the team failing him over Ham not letting him through in the last race. His comment before the race “I learned various things from that race which I will adapt for the future.” is the clear expression of his mindset behind his actions today. Mercedes is the looser here, they should sit him out for the next race, putting the reserve driver in the car. Nico has changed. He is no longer on the teams side, the team must react in a meaningful way.

    1. PeterF says:

      And I see now in a Mercedes team meeting Ros has confirmed he hit Ham on purpose to prove his point.

      1. Hal says:

        Also interesting point by Martin Brundle that seems to back it up (see below). I can’t believe this wasn’t looked at closer by the stewards. Is there any precedent for retrospective investigation?

        “Sky F1 collleague Martin Brundle added: “It was clumsy. He wasn’t far enough in the corner to make the move, I think it was poor driving but not intentional. Rosberg was at fault, he shouldn’t have continued that move. It was poor judgement but I am concerned that he turned out and then turned back in. He really did turn back in at Hamilton’s car.”

        He says it’s not intentional but turning out then back in seems to suggest otherwise.

      2. Tim says:

        While we’re at it, let’s go back to slot car racing, and only allowing passing on straights. After all, that’s what some people seem to think is acceptable these days, what which this “whhhaaaaaaa, but I had that ‘racing line’” rubbish that gets touted every bloody time!

        It really is beginning to seem like the only place some people think is acceptable for passing is anywhere that’s not a corner, on the basis of this “racing line” rubbish that’s ruining racing.

      3. LagunaSeca says:

        Well said. Magnussen, Alonso, Button, and Vettel showed what racing used to look like.

      4. aveli says:

        and the stewards and fia did nothing about it. where is piquet jnr?

      5. aveli says:

        no hamilton is no longer championship material as it looks like the fia have already selected this season’s champion.
        rosberg told mercedes he did it on purpose knowing full well that he has the backing of the fia. so unless the fans bombard the fia and mercedes with complaints, hamilton is no longer championship material.

      6. RememberRonnie says:

        No – Rosberg held his line on the track to prove the point that he will no longer be intimidated. And because Rosberg refused to drive off the track, Hamilton hit Rosberg’s front wing with his rear wheel. See Toto Wolff’s latest statement (since A Benson’s BBC piece) where he says Hamilton’s claim about what was said in the meeting “was not the case”.

  54. Nickh says:

    Good race from Riccardo as always these days , Hamilton would have won had Rosberg not ruined his race though. Don’t know what Rosberg was doing, very average driving. Very bad for Hamiltons championship, and 100% Rosberg’s fault. I am glad the fans boo’d Rosberg on the podium, all he deserves. If he wins the championship it will be the most hollow victory in history.

    Great race from Kimi in a Ferrari that is slow in a straight line. He jumped Alonso and Vettel before Alonso took his penalty. Bodes well for a strong 2nd half of the season.

    Alonso was very clumsy today in close quarters racing, he had nothing to complain about with Mag tussle and then he actually rammed the back of Vettel on the last lap, looked pretty desperate just cos his teammate was ahead of him he couldn’t handle it

    1. Phil Glass says:

      I think The Iceman is back! He was faultless today, and as pacey as that Ferrari allowed.
      Unlucky to miss out on the podium, but that would have needed bad luck for Bottas.

      RB Merc and Wills were just too fast in a straight line.

      Not many miracles from Alonso today, alas.

      1. Krischar says:

        @ Phil Glass

        Iceman is back ?

        There is one pilot out there in F1 grid (Kimi) who performed once or twice in 12 races of the season and people here put the assertion as kimi is back to his best?

    2. Bogdan says:

      Alonso was 5th and Kimi 6th on lap 9 when Kimi made his pit stop. So what race did you watch where Kimi overtook Alonso on track?

      1. Nickh says:

        So which comment are you reading where I say he overtook him on the track?? Nice fabrication.

        They pitted Kimi first which allowed him to pump in a few fastest laps and jump them both, I guess Ferrari paying him back for Barcelona when they pitted Kimi 2nd despite being ahead on track

    3. kenneth chapman says:

      @ nickh….you are being a bit economic in your praise for ricciardo’s drive by calling it ‘good’ aren’t you? hardened commentators have used far more enlightened superlatives than just plain old ‘good’. i thought that is was a stunning drive by a thoroughly likeable young man with a demonstrable purpose. simply great to watch. yes, i am a fan, i’m biased and i’m an aussie ex webber supporter who likes to see genuine ‘cojones out’ drivers racing wheel to wheel. as it should be.i don’t like whiners who want to repair to their bedroom to nurse their injured vanity instead of staying out on track and giving their all for the team.

      1. kiran says:

        He appreciated Ric’s good drive.
        Did not wait for Ric to go through a bad patch, and come up with rather far fetched ridiculous analysis – judging a driver just on few bad races?
        You should be happy!

      2. Nickh says:

        I didn’t say anything bad about Ricciardo Ken, I basically said it’s what I have come to expect of him these days, as I rate him highly. Isn’t that praise enough? He is also one of my favourite drivers.

      3. Rohind says:

        @kenneth Chapman

        U say u don’t like whiners.Yet u say ur a Webber fan. Don’t u think its a bit contradictory??
        :D

    4. Krischar says:

      @ Nickh

      “Alonso was very clumsy today in close quarters racing” – If you term Alonso had clumsy race in belgium, then i have to say kimi had clumsy race from Australia to hungary. why post such a short-sighted comment against Alonso. He is the master and drove very well in all the races this includes belgium as well. Ferrari committed a silly error and earned Alonso a stop-go penalty which he never warranted. The time lost in pits due to penalty ended the chance for Alonso to get decent result. Yet Alonso fought with RBR and Mclaren with older tyres towards the end of the race and scored some points for the team.

      “looked pretty desperate just cos his teammate was ahead of him he couldn’t handle it” – Team-mate was ahead of him and looked desperate? well that is really hilarious and bigoted view/ post at the very best. How many times kimi was ahead of Alonso in the race on pure merit? BIG 0 or none. Whereas Alonso drove superbly throughout the season and he would have finished ahead of kimi easily. If had no penalty at the belgian race. Remember Alonso have once again out-qualified kimi in belgium by a full 1 second. That is the real gulf in class between ALonso and kimi

      1. Nickh says:

        Calm down son. Just because Alonso had 1 scruffy race don’t throw your toys everywhere mate. To be honest it was very entertaining watching him in the fight with Mag Vet and Button. You’re comparison is a bit confusing as I can’t remember Raikkonen crashing into any Red Bulls every race from Australia to Hungary,

      2. Krischar says:

        @ Nickh

        My comparison is not confusing at all. ON saturday Alonso out-qualifies kimi by a FULL 1 second. This really showed the gulf in class between Alonso and Kimi. Even the overall stats and table does not lie as to who performed exceptionally well and who is medicore and just pathetic to watch. WHen kimi does not turn up and perform people here throw in excuses one after another one here. WHen he rarely does something right. People jump and state he is back to his best

        If you look through the races this season kimi have collided and ended the race of few other pilots due to his fault. Classic example is silverstone when kimi made a novice error and ended the race of Felipe massa / one of the caterham pilots. Monaco is another example. Hence my comparison makes perfect sense.

        Well i did not want to throw any toys. I simply imply to the people that the result which kimi had in belgium have no bearings what so ever on the inter-team battle at Ferrari.

    5. Bogdan says:

      “So which comment are you reading where I say he overtook him on the track?? Nice fabrication.”

      Nickh, when you said “he jumped Alonso before Alonso took his penalty” I thought you meant Kimi jumped him on track. Alonso was ahead of Kimi, Kimi pitted with Alonso still ahead obviously and only when Alonso pitted and TOOK his penalty it was that Kimi jumped Alonso.
      Therefore, Kimi did not jump Alonso BEFORE his pit and penalty. You used the word “before” and that did not happen. Kimi jumped Alonso AFTER his pit stip and penalty.
      I think that’s where the confusion lies.

  55. senninhos says:

    Excellent race by Ricciardo and also Raikkonen, for whom I am delighted.
    Rosberg collected more points in what, by all accounts, seemed to be his mistake but nothing more than a racing incident.
    A big blow for Hamilton but he can bounce back and, remember, double points for the last race.

    No surprise with how Hamilton and Lauda reacted in front of the press, Rosberg, as ever, prefers to defer to the behind closed doors discussion.
    If anything, very surprised that Wolff chose to be critical and show emotion in front of the press before the team debrief, a decision I think he will regret later.

    As E Jordan has mentioned but also others before him, while we are all delighted that Mercedes have, thus far, let the drivers race, there is this underlying sense that leadership is lacking.
    May be unfair to Wolff and Lowe but I for one cannot help thinking that they are missing Brawn, who, by the way, has to be considered the arch-architect for their current success.

  56. Matthew Cheshire says:

    A race that answers a few questions

    Will Nico win the championship- probably.
    Will the Mercedes be allowed to race? probably not anymore
    Will Vettel catch Riccardo in the second half of the season? No
    Can Ricciardo beat Vettel when he has no car problems? Yes, by a big margin.
    Can Williams win a race this season? Certainly possible
    Can Maldonardo get any points? Probably impossible.

    1. Stephen Taylor says:

      You forgot one question
      Can Kimi beat Alonso in a race this season?
      The answer is yes

    2. aveli says:

      will the fia take action against rosberg?

      1. JF says:

        Why would they?

      2. Random 79 says:

        They’ll have to get in line – by the sounds of it his own team have dibs on taking action against him, and you really know that you’re deep in the proverbial when your own team is after your blood ;)

      3. Matthew Cheshire says:

        Will Hamilton complain to the FIA about his teammate? Will his team back him with that? Probably not x2.

      4. Rohind says:

        @aveli

        FIA action is unlikely. Lewis still has a good shot. He better get his emotions under control.
        By the way, What do u think went wrong with Vettel yesterday?

  57. aveli says:

    mercedes will lose a lot of sales if they keep this up. i have never owned a mercedes, i prefer bmws. at the start of the season, i thought about owning a mercedes but this puts me off completely.

    1. iGOR BdA says:

      hahahaha how old are? 12?

    2. Hello says:

      You will own one within 3 years.

      All this fighting between the Merc drivers will just raise the companies profile. A good example of this is how Mc Learn have dinned out on the Prost/Senna battle( and Murray’s cars for years). Other than Hack’s two tight championships 1998/1999 they have done nothing since then but have a very large profile.

      All this will help Merc and you in your next purchase.

    3. notidiot says:

      Mercedes : “No, please don’t do that, we’ll go bankrupt, pleeeease!”

    4. effffone says:

      Don’t worry. BMW are excellent cars. I too drive one.

    5. Peter says:

      I know, right! I hope Asda don’t start sponsoring a team that I don’t like, I’d starve to death! As it is I have to walk to the supermarket because my local bus company use Pirelli rubber! And don’t even ask where I get my caffeine hits from these days.

      I’m so righteously indignant over today’s happenings I’m also considering switching my salami purchasing preference from a reliable German variety to maybe a Spanish one, or possibly Italian.

      That’ll teach ‘em!

      1. Ryan says:

        Lol! Love your response Peter!

    6. Howard P says:

      How exactly does 2 Mercedes powered cars, with Williams, and McLaren (Mercedes powered) also in the top 6, fighting each other “put you off completely”???

    7. Mike A says:

      You show them!

      I was going to buy a couple for myself but since DR won I think I will just buy a couple of Red Bulls now.

    8. Nickh says:

      Merc amg cars are so much more desirable than BMW M cars, M cars are only better when you go to a race track, how often do people really do that. 99% of the time when you’re on normal roads AMG cars are far better, even just for the noise alone, especially the 2010 N/A V8 ones.

      1. C63 says:

        even just for the noise alone, especially the 2010 N/A V8 ones….

        +1, spot on :-)

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        which AMG model do you drive nickh?

    9. Random 79 says:

      Mercedes are okay, but steer clear of those Rosbergs ;)

  58. Richard cummins says:

    I am not surprised there has not been a stewards enquiry into Rosbergs driving. In fact I am surprised that the people on this site believe in the stewards any more??? I think Rossberg should man up and admit he was wrong. He single handed ruined what looked like it was going to be a classic.
    How it can be described by DC as a racing accident when he always is banging on about not winning at the start but you can loose it.
    This is not right and maybe as a LH fan we should all just accept this is not his year?
    No doubt that James and Brundell will as always somehow try to make LH out to be the villain but even they can see Nico screwed up.

  59. roberto marquez says:

    Lewis has to settle down and not give any insight as to what he is thinking, go to interviews and and answer “Yes sir” No sir”. He has too many opponents : the head of his own team, his racing “pal”, the race stewards, MB sponsors ? . If the puncture would have been caused by anyone else ,Lewis included , the least the stewards had given is a pit drive through, but hey do not want trouble with the mighty Wolf.

  60. goggomobil says:

    Ricciardo?, a talent if there ever was one,and the drve to boot that richly deserve his win.
    Alonso ?, got the a raw prawn from the stewards, why was he penalized? it was a team fault not the driver,he car was on the jacks,during closing stage of the race he was pushed of the track Vettel took half of his front wing of.
    If Ferrart don’t appeal agaiinst 5 second penalty and make sure the stewards who issued the penalty never adjudicate again,
    Hamilton, what can the guy do?.his team mate put him out of the race,The stewards in their wisdom done nothing, regardless of him being within his racing line
    Yup, tell me more .

  61. Joe S says:

    Rosberg should have backed out. Would love to see what went on at the team meeting. It’s probably Rosberg’s championship now. Whenever Hamilton gets close to Rosberg in the championship, something bad happens with Hamilton.

    Great racing otherwise, the 4-car battle at the end was incredible.

    Potential talk of Ricciardo winning the title is ridiculous. The only possible scenario it could happen in is if Mercedes have quite a few double DNFs and even then it has to Ricciardo winning and no one else.

  62. JohnBt says:

    Whao! RIC is driver of the year if i’m not jumping the gun. Congrats to the Aussie, well done.

    Best part of race from McLarens, Vettel and Alonso scrapping for points.
    Nico’s to be blamed for clumsy racing hitting Lewis. War at Mercedes.
    Alonso was clumsy too.

    Gratifying to see Kimi raising his level, even though during post race he was his usual self. But it’s nice to see him coming through.

    Bottas on podium again, felt like he was going to catch up until it faded. Well, third is still deserving and commendable.

    Overall it was an interesting race, not the best but was enjoyable.

  63. Richard says:

    Well if you ever needed evidence that Nico is second rate when it comes to wheel to wheel racing that is it. Effectively taking Lewis out by puncturing his rear tyre and causing damage to the rear floor, attempted pass on Sebastion Vettel shows how clumsy he is those situations. Mercedes should put their reserve driver in his place for the next race as a reprimand, but that is highly unlikely. The aforementioned might be one view, but the opposing one is more sinister because it could have been deliberate. It was because it was so clumsy one wonders if this is just number two of deliberate attempts to keep Lewis behind. What’s the betting there will be another if Lewis once again gets within striking distance.

  64. Hello says:

    Vettle to Mc Learn! (He has to leave Redbull at the end of the year or he’s driving mid field the rest of his career)

    Button to Williams? (Only because Massa is so bad and he should be sacked at the end of the year and Button is the best number 2. He wouldn’t have drove into Hamilton)

    Massa to Brazil!!!!!!! (I know he had something stuck in the front but he’s just terrible.)

  65. RichB says:

    what’s happened to vettel, another mistake and thrashed by danny. amazing

  66. sd says:

    Big loser today is Vettel as he could have won the race.

  67. Rob Wilkin says:

    It’s obvious that the Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team have serious management issues. Although possessing the most dominant car in a generation of racing, they have allowed the rivalry between their drivers to spin out of control and lose the chance to show the excellence of the Mercedes brand. Compare the gong show that Toto and Nikki put on today by publicly throwing Rosberg to the media wolves after the race today with what we’ve seen from Ron Dennis, Ross Brawn and Frank Williams in similar circumstances. A professional organization does not ostracize a WDC leader in public. A professional organization would mitigate the emotional roller coaster of a supremely gifted driver–Lewis Hamilton– and help him achieve the detached coolness required for consistent F1 success.
    I think Mercedes are likely about to lower the boom on the front office of their racing team. The poor leadership of Lauda and Wolfe is preventing Mercedes from realizing the publicity potential of their huge investment in racing. If you were to select the best organization for racing excellence at the highest level of motor sport today, it would be AUDI not Mercedes. The Mercedes brand will not tolerate this poor showing against its domestic automotive competitors which also includes BMW and Porsche.

  68. Ace says:

    Just got to wonder where Hamilton’s breaking point is. Either he implodes within himself (doubtful) or he goes rogue. This might explode worse than inter team rivalries in the past.

    Fantastic race behind the drama up front. Whoever said “audiences are down” should just turn around and say “their loss” because they are missing out one hell of a season

  69. Torchwood Five says:

    Rosberg incident not deliberate, but displayed Massa 2014 level of racecraft, completely stupid move.
    On the other hand, I was pleased to see Nico overtaking cars on merit one or two times.

    Fairly surprised to see how angry Toto was, though he seemed more upset that it happened on lap two, than that there was a collision.

    Very good race otherwise.

    Well done to Ricciardo and Bottas, Good job everyone else.

    Did Alonso actually serve that stop-go penalty, or did I blink and miss it?

    1. James Allen says:

      Yes he served it at his stop

  70. RichyS says:

    So, there’s no doubt Rosberg is fast, but he certainly can’t race.

    He ruined Hamilton’s race, and his own at least twice. Idiot.

  71. Mike Hessey says:

    Great race, all credit to Ricciardo and Bottas, zero to Rosberg, even though the booing was undeserved.

  72. Sujith says:

    Racing incident. I am not taking anybody’s side. What did Mercedes expect? This was going to happen sooner or later.

    All said and done, I loved the way Rosberg reacted during his interviews. Well it goes to show Hamilton that how far he has taken their relationship with his silly comments about Nico not being motivated enough to fight for the title because he has had the better life growing up. I guess Nico showed how much of motivation he got. Fans will boo… but the truth is, it is gonna be awesome to watch.

    Kimi, what a drive. Could always count on the Iceman to feature at Spa. Unlucky for Alonso but he got flustered towards the end there and lost positions. So unlike of him.

    Kimi Started 8th finished 4th. Alonso started 4th finished 8th… irony I suppose.

    Good drive from Ricciardo. :) Love this guy! Showed Vettel who is boss yet again!

    1. Krischar says:

      @ sujith

      “Kimi Started 8th finished 4th. Alonso started 4th finished 8th… irony I suppose” – Once race where kimi was ok and got a P4 you people say or claim that he did better than Alonso? Reality check is needed

      Ferrari as usual with a stupid error managed to get a penalty for Alonso and the lost time in pits have certainly costed Alonso any chances of a decent result.

      “Alonso but he got flustered towards the end there and lost positions” – why Alonso should not get flustered a podium was a real possibility for Alonso after the quali on saturday. Yet once again Ferrari as a team proved how genius they are and costed the points / podium for Alonso with a schoolboy error

      This result proves nothing Alonso had the penalty and issues to contend with Hence P8 finish. whereas kimi stayed out of trouble and with good strategy he made it to the P4. Good race by kimi yet this changes nothing.

  73. Nigel says:

    I reckon Nico decided to play tough, Payback
    time for Bahrain and one other (can’t remember where) when Lulu ran Nico off the road, Nico backed out or there would have been 2 big accidents and to be clear they would have been all Lulu’s fault. BTW Toto’s comment after the race was that it is unacceptable for the 2 drivers to crash into each other, especially on the 2nd lap….he did not say it was Nico’s fault. Strikes me they need to worry about Danny boy now so they should back the man with the most points….Nico! (Lulu’s sulky face would just be priceless). I think Nico is showing signs of nerves, this is probably his only chance just like it was for his Dad. I predict Nico will win this one but Lewis will go onto win the next 2 or 3.

  74. aveli says:

    for all those who cannot bring themselves to understand that rosberg hit hamilton on purpose, have a look on the BBC website and you will notice that rosberg admitted that he did it on purpose to prove a point. that he wasn’t happy that hamilton didn’t slow down for him to pass in hungary. is this the same rosberg the media describe as more intelligent than hamilton? in my books he is a complete idiot. the team should reconsider his contract if he thinks he can do this and get away wi it. the fia kick flavio and piquet jnr out of the sport for doing exactly that.
    why are they not taking action in this case?

    1. Thompson says:

      Just read the article.

      I am speechless. That’s an admission to the ‘c’ word. But can anything be done about it now – that 29point gap is on the FIA WDC leader board now.

      if they ban him for one race – then Hamilton gets a dnf what then?

      This is really bad for the sport imo,, especially has this story will spread like wildfire across the net.

      I mean, what do you do?

      What can be done without ruining what was a great season?

      1. Rachael says:

        “if they ban him for one race – then Hamilton gets a dnf what then?”

        …then Red Bull implement team orders. Martin referred to Seb as “rear gunner”

    2. Rockman says:

      You get my vote as the most passionate Lewis fan.

  75. Mike says:

    Poor poor Lewis. Everybody always so mean to him and he’s so unlucky… Allow me to laugh. We’re talking about a man who is cracking under pressure. Everybody says he so fast, still Nico is the pole king. Right, that’s just because Lewis been so unlucky. This was a racing incident, if Lewis is so clever as some say he is he should have give Nico half a meter and avoided the situation and then disappeared in front. But Lewis is cracking under the pressure from Nico. Remember he’s fooled by his own reputation as F1 boy wonder – remember that he just got one championship (that he took in the last corner of the season). Now he better show that he is a man and start delivering and blow Nico off. Don’t try these meaningless mind games towards Nico because the only one who suffer is Lewis. And what about that moaning that he didn’t want to drive and wanted to retire the car instead. What a looser. He’s paid millions and millions by Mercedes and is acting like the spoilt child he is. Lewis seems to forgot that he had to drive the races to get the championship. He underestimated Nico from the beginning and that is his big mistake. Now it’s time to start delivering before it’s to late. Just get in the car and drive Lewis.

    1. Spenny says:

      Hamilton explained the reasoning for retiring very clearly – he had no chance of scoring, and he is an engine down after the fire, so saving miles on the engine gives him more to work with – he even explained that on race radio and clearly it was the thinking team’s response, especially as he couldn’t pass cars due to the handling problems. He could have saved most of the race distance on that engine – it’s not like he would learn much due to driving such a damaged car.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        well one thing that he would learn is that you shouldn’t rag your car back to pits at such a ridiculous speed and expect not to incur any serious damage to the floor!!!

    2. Fox says:

      Right conclusion. I am with you on this. Too much emotions from people, but when you start calculating numbers and recognize facts, everything becomes clear – HAM is cracking and crying simultaneously. There is no Big Ron in Mercedes to serve as his father and protect him from evil samurai. HAM was expected to be big boy by this time, but he isn’t.

  76. Ash says:

    Looks like Rosberg has said he didn’t back out to prove a point. Surely that’s a silly position to take?

    1. Mike A says:

      As reported by one LH – who has no bias in this at all.

  77. German Samurai says:

    It will all come down to the final race because double points are on offer. I would be staggered if Hamilton can’t win this championship. If he fails it will be a huge asterisk against his career much like 2014 will be for Vettel.

    The reaction from the media, fans and the Mercedes team to this Rosberg/Hamilton incident is almost hysterical.

    9 times out of 10 Rosberg comes off second best in that situation where his front wing gets clipped. It was a racing incident. The incident wasn’t even reviewed by the stewards.

    Both drivers could have left each other more room, but they are fighting each other for the championship after all. I don’t know how Wolff and Lauda strongly criticise Nico for clipping a teammate when in Hungary they had no objection to Hamilton racing for himself and costing the team an almost certain win.

    Rosberg is racing for himself just like Hamilton. Nico got that message from Hamilton and Mercedes loud and clear after Hungary.

    Rosberg could have backed out more, but Hamilton didn’t have to take the ‘normal’ line through Les Combes when he knew Rosberg was on his left. As Hamilton retakes his line as he approaches the first part of Les Combes, he leaves more than a car’s width to his left, so he’s aware Rosberg is to his left.

    With a championship on the line, Hamilton could have exercised some more prudence. Throughout the season (most notably Bahrain), Hamilton’s been very aggressive in retaking the racing line when in battle with Rosberg.

    Hamilton’s aggression also cost him in Germany when he clipped Button’s rear tyre with his front wing.

    1. Sujith says:

      @German Samurai Well said.

    2. Ryan says:

      Agree with everything you say German Samurai except the part about “I would be staggered if Hamilton can’t win this championship.” His attitude won’t win the championship for him, “Bring the pain to Nico” What is this WWE??? I hope Daniel pulls a Kimi 2007 and takes it all!

    3. C63 says:

      @German Samurai
      when in Hungary they had no objection to Hamilton racing for himself and costing the team an almost certain win…..

      The way in which you create an alternative reality, to bolster your arguments, is quite staggering. Hungary has been analysed on this very site and the win was never on for Rosberg. All that would have happened is that he would have finished in front of Hamilton.
      BTW, how’s that list of the many drivers coming along (you know the one)- it’s taking an awfully long time to compile. To be honest I am beginning to think you might be struggling ;-)

  78. A.M| says:

    Well, yes, it looks like it is Nicos fault. You have to remeber that they race eachother
    . It was unfortunate, but i do not think Nico did this on purpose. He was eager to be as close as he could out of hte next corner.

    But, what if Nico thought, i give that fuc..er hamilton a pice of his own medicine. LH did not let Nico through as he was told to. Maybe Nico is tired of the BS by LH, nd think, ok, i could also play the game of doing stupid stuff.

    LH wen`t to merc expecting to be the number 1 driver and Nico to play second fidler. Now, LH has to work very hard to outdrive Nico, so hard he abuses his car alot moore and that resuslts in DNF`s.

    I also belive that LH could have kept his corner a bit tighter and longer.He did NOT give Nico any room as he said in the press after race.

  79. Fuzz says:

    Great race. I don’t understand the number of complains here. Wheel to wheel racing in number of corners and sometimes clashing together. That’s what I want in F1!!! I don’t need DRS overtakes or overtakes during pit stops. When Senna and Schumi were racing it was much more ruthless. I’ve witnessed so many “back in the good ol’ days” comments here that when we get it some people start to complain… just don’t get it… more of this!

    Congratz to DR for excellent drive and Bottas for third place

  80. jon says:

    The mighty Mercedes empire is crumbling quicker than I expected.

    Lauda can pout and shout all he want but the animosity between the drivers will continue and probably get worse.

    I feel both HAM and ROS have done some not so nice things to each other but today’s incident is being overblown – too bad HAM got the short end of the stick.

    It’s THEIR fault for getting rid of Brawn – Wolff and Lauda are jokes. They should enjoy this year because next year the party will be over.

  81. Nickh says:

    Apparently Rosberg said in the debrief that he did it on purpose and that he could’ve avoided it but chose not too. Unbelievable. The only way this average driver can win a championship. I hope he deservedly gets boo’d for the remainder of the season

    1. Mike A says:

      As reported by one LH – who has no bias in this at all.

      1. AlexD says:

        Wolff said that what hamilton said was accurate. Nico did not crash deliberately, but he could have avoided it

      2. Nickh says:

        Many other sources and the Merc bosses have confirmed this so maybe you just don’t want to believe it

      3. Mack says:

        Correct-that was Hamiltons view. Let us see the court transcript and do not take an opinion from one of the affected parties.

    2. Kev says:

      No; Apparently Hamilton said that Rosberg told he did it on purpose. It was not an actual quote from Rosberg himself.

      Wolff clarified that it wasn’t intentional.

  82. F1 Badger says:

    Shame on you Nico Rosberg

  83. JG says:

    All Nico there. if it wasn’t deliberate, it was careless to not take some curb or back off a bit and try agaid. Ham didn’t lay out the red carpet, but he was ahead and left some room…it looked like NH didnt really try to avoid it

  84. tyres, tyres, tyres says:

    Is Lewis Hamilton actually still championship material ? Rosberg was faster even without DRS and would have won today, the second race win in a row Hamiltons antics cost Mercedes. Of course its never his fault. Good recovery by Rosberg, but he could have won if not for his extra pit stop for a second set of primes after he flat spotted his first set. Maybe Lewis should not assume that Nico will just jump off the road everytime they battle for position. Nico gave enough space and with most drivers (not Maldonado or Perez) in Hamiltons position there would have been no contact. In Bahrain and last race Rosberg left the track to avoid a collision but no more it seems and who can blame him. Rosberg is perfectly able to win the whole thing without much drama and i hope he doesnt change and doesnt get sucked into a irrelevant fallout played in the media by certain parties.

  85. Torchwood Five says:

    Okay, I stand corrected. The Rosberg incident WAS deliberate.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28921431

    This is what you get for giving someone the benefit of the doubt.

  86. Kristo says:

    What a race! Monza can not come soon enough. Riccardo, Bottas and Kimi out drivereitä their cars and eclipsed their team mates. For the first time this year Ferrari made the right call for Kimi by pitting him early. Mattiacci’s restructuring begins to yield dividends. Over at Williams they need to sort out what happend to Massa in the race.

    The racing incident on lap 2 was a product of Lewis taking too many things for granted and saying as much (that the only reasons he is not leading the championship is because he his had bad luck…). Had it been Alonso trying they same move, Lewis would probably have left more room as he has more respect for him. Hope both Nico and Lewis learned their lessons and steer away from politics and grand standing in front of the preaa and concentrate on racing.

  87. HenryO says:

    According to Andrew Benson on the BBC site, Lewis has said that in the team briefing Rosberg admitted that he deliberately hit Hamilton, i.e he could have avoided the contact, but chose not to.

    Puts whole different spin on things.

    1. Nigel says:

      If Nico says he could have avoided the contact why does that mean he deliberately hit Lewis? Surely they both could have avoided contact and both chose not to, Lewis assumed Nico would back out and he didn’t, Nico assumed Lewis would come across and he did. Lewis could easily have given him another metre. Such small details of risk mitigation matter, after all it was Lewis who said he should perhaps learn from Senna’s attitude with Prost, not sure he meant that Nico would take a Sennaesque attitude….

  88. RichB says:

    why didn’t nico get a penalty for causing a collision?

  89. Matt says:

    Ricciardo and Bottas are refreshing this season. The high school dramatics at Mercedes are becoming idiotic. I hope there is not a confirmation that Nico did say he hit Lewis on purpose to prove a point.

    1. Anne says:

      I don´t see how FIA can punish a driver for making a comment in a meeting. FIA didn´t do their job at the very moment the incident took place. Now I´m afraid it´s too late. I think the team could take some action against Rosberg

  90. DC says:

    What a great race – some fantastic moves…

    And one not so fantastic one. Interesting to hear Hamilton’s claims that it was admitted to be deliberate.

    If so I’m looking forward to Keke’s comments. I hope a journalist manages to get a microphone in front of him soon. If I recall he was very very quick indeed to rubbish Schumacher for anything less than saintly behaviour, so it will be interesting to have his take on his son’s work now that his first WDC is at stake.

  91. Joe S says:

    Rosberg as now said he did it on purpose “to prove a point”, according to Hamilton. It’s on Autosport, Sky Sports website and elsewhere I’m sure.

    If so, I’ve no idea what sort of point Rosberg could think he was making. And you can see from what he says, seems that just Hamilton he admitted it to as Hamilton has said that Wolff and Lauda were told the same. I’ve never liked Rosberg as he’s seemed too clean and doesn’t really come across as anything other than bland and dull. He can speak a number of languages fluently, well done to him. But he never says anything interesting, is not that good at racing at the highest level and just would not be the most deserving world champion if he is the winner at the end.

    1. Peter says:

      No mate, Lewis said, that Rosberg said..and its a big difference.

  92. A says:

    Mr Allen you have a bias towards Rosberg, is clear when u say that Hamilton closed the door.
    Everybody likes a particular driver and is ok but now that is proven that he did it on purpose would like to see if you become a neutral journalist when you write the article about it.

    1. danny says:

      Mr. Allen didn’t write this piece. Look at the bit that says Posted By:

      Just sayin’

    2. effffone says:

      Mr. Allen is one of the most unbiased journalists on the net, I can assure you that.

    3. Rockman says:

      No, he’s definitely not biased.

      But you are biased towards Hamilton so you read everything as an attack to Lewis.

  93. buzzzzzzzz says:

    This sums up Rosbergs attitude!

    The 2008 world champion added: “He said he could have avoided it, but he didn’t want to. He basically said, ‘I did it to prove a point’.”
    Hamilton said he was “gobsmacked” by Rosberg’s admission.
    “He just came in there and said it was my fault,” added Hamilton, who returned to the race after having his left rear tyre replaced only to quit with just a few laps remaining.
    Rosberg has yet to react to Hamilton’s claims but a Mercedes spokesman confirmed Hamilton had accurately represented what the German had said.

    So are we still sure that Rosberg didn’t
    spin on purpose at Monaco.

    Basically was still bearing a grudge from Hungary when Lewis wouldn’t let him pass so decides to drive into him.

    All this crap about it being a racing incident. Rosberg knew he had absolutely no chance of overtaking Hamilton at that corner so why did he put his nose in the danger zone.

    A previous poster commented that Seb was close to lewis in that corner the lap before but had the race craft to keep out of trouble.

    But hey trouble was what Rosberg wanted.

    I have always been a fan of Rosbergt the way he dealt with Schmacher, now it appears he is no better than Senna or Schmumacher……………..[mod]!

    1. aveli says:

      this is the same guy the media portrait as being more intelligent than hamilton. he fails to understand why hamilton didn’t slow down for him to pass and carries out such a stupid act of violence. what if hamilton crashed into a wall after the puncture and hurt himself?
      the fia need to apply the same rules piquet jnr faced otherwise we can just conclude that rosberg has been chosen to be champion.

      1. Rohind says:

        @aveli

        let it pass. I can understand urs as well as other fans frustration .But It was a racing incident. I have seen Lewis doing worse under similar situations.

        Hamilton is unnecessarily putting more pressure on himself right from Monaco and it is doing him no favours.With double points at Abundhabi still has a shot if he can keep his wits on.

        But if he keeps overreacting for everything, it will only unsettle him further.

  94. Rohan says:

    Lewis has been quoted as saying that Nico’s move was deliberate, based on Nico’s own admission in the Mercedes post-race debrief. So who now is Senna-esque in this rivalry :)? What comes to mind is Senna’s answer with that mischievous smile to being asked “How does it feel to be World Champion?”, “It feels good”, after running Prost off the road.

    Poor show from Nico even if it wasn’t deliberate. It’s hard for me to accept that it was a racing incident, because I think it could very easily have been avoided by Nico – just see Vettel v Hamilton on the previous lap at the same corner, where Vettel was further ahead alongside Lewis’ car than Nico ever was. Seb pulled out and took the escape area instead.

  95. Red says:

    It’s a shame Nico made the mistake to contact with Lewis and the damage Lewis inherited was really unlucky. It looks really clumsy. Though it is more beneficial to Nico in the end, it was a racing accident. That kinds of clash happen all the time, by all the drivers, even the mighty Fernando.
    The way Eddie responded to the audience’s boo to Nico and the applause given back by then is fantastic. That’s what the interviewer should do. Reminding everyone the credit the drivers should be given.
    What a good show today. Danny controlled the race beautifully, trustworthy Bo77as is as trustworthy as usual (just have confidence in him for no reasons… ha), Spa King Kimi had one more gear at Spa once again, Fernando’s driving is just masterpiece, notwithstanding the unlucky clash with Seb. The 4 way fight between Kevin, Seb, Fernando and Jensen is phenomenal though personally, I really don’t enjoy Kevin’s defending that much…
    All in all, the situation of Mercedes just looks in a mess. Can’t help thinking: “let them race” is simply because “can’t control them anyway”. Ross must be deeply missed.

  96. Spenny says:

    If the reports of Nico saying he deliberately allowed his car to hit Hamilton are correct then Mercedes have a problem, because to allow Nico to win the championship in that way means that they are allowing Nico to cheat.

    It would seem that their only option would be to reset the championship by suspending Nico for a race and allowing their spare driver a treat.

  97. Richard says:

    On the BBC website Lewis says that Nico came into the meeting blaming Lewis for not letting him pass in the last race, and therefore while he could have avoided it did not want to so deliberately went into him. A Mercedes spokesperson has confirmed the accuracy of what Lewis has said. It’s unbelieveable and the management to act decisively. In my view Rosberg should be reported to the FIA and given a multi-race ban, and Mercedes bring in another driver to take his place

    1. aveli says:

      are those bans you suggest in the rules? don’t forget that the sport is governed by the rules.

  98. Valentino - Schumacher # 1 says:

    Schumacher

    1. effffone says:

      Only one word?

  99. Mansell Mania says:

    Was so gutted after the first lap. All i wanted was a straight battle.

    Apparantly Rosberg has admitted he rammed Hamilton on purpose. Team need to ban him for one race just to make things even.

  100. Trebor says:

    There seems to be something seriously wrong with Mercedes team, I was under the impression that paddy Lowe was team principle, but it seems toto Wolfe and Nicky Lauda are the team principles as they do all the talking. The organisation needs sorting otherwise things will only get worse. A case of too many chiefs.

  101. Jim Dee says:

    Gutted for Lewis. Racing incident my butt. Rosberg turned into Hamilton and the resulting collision was only preventable by Rosberg who chose not to.

    Shame on the stewards for not having the guts to review the incident.

    Shame on F1 for criticizing their fans aka customers for their reaction.

    If you want to take my money for a seat at the race I will continue to boo.

  102. Oudinot says:

    Boo-hoo…so many emotive, reactionary comments here !
    They sound just like that radio whine I heard “he hit me….he hit me!”.

    Hamilton needs to learn that just because you won’t back off or move to avoid a collision, it doesn’t mean the other driver will always yield in a situation that is 50/50. If they do not, and it is a 50/50 situation…well, you have to accept the consequences.

    As to the politics of it all, it seems to me that the cabal of Wolff, Lauda et al. decided they had to placate Hamilton by any means- a very clear indicator to Rosberg of who they ultimately regard as the least dispensible. That does need to worry Rosberg.

    1. Richard says:

      Total rubbish! Hamilton was completely blameless following his racing line. Rosberg on the other hand could easily have avoided the situation, but has since admitted he did not want to. He should face disciplinary action and be banned for a few races.

    2. danny says:

      I am still puzzled by all these comments saying that ‘Hamilton needs to learn to move to avoid a collision’ etc.

      But you are talking about a 50/50 incident, where Hamilton should have moved to avoid it.

      If it’s a 50/50 then they should be SHARING the blame, right?

      However, you appear to be suggesting that responsiblity for avoiding the collision lies with the driver who is

      a) Ahead on track
      b) On the racing line

      Perhaps I have misunderstood? Or perhaps you have a dislike for one driver or the other?

    3. Steven says:

      That radio call was class though. It rivaled Ben Edwards commentary on Hamilton and Maldonado’s crash at Valencia in 2012 as the funniest F1 audio clip ever.

    4. Nickh says:

      How was it 50/50?! So many blind posters on here that are backing Rosberg and have zero understanding of the rules. He was never going to pass him there, he should have backed out. Maybe his spacial awareness is just terrible. Rosberg has also said he did it on purpose. He should get banned for cheating. He has already cheated in Monaco

  103. Stephen Taylor says:

    Great drives from Daniel, Valtteri , and Kimi who showed his Spa expertise to claim 4th and beat Fernando. I must admit though I was gutted though that Kimi missed out on podium.

    1. Stephen Taylor says:

      To add. Even though Kimi missed out a podium I was pleased to see him fighting with the Vettel Bottas and Alonso of course.

  104. Stephen says:

    I can’t believe what I am reading. That was a desperate move by Rosberg, and the more I watch the replay, the more calculating it seems. He throws the car to the right twice, and quite blatantly turns in when there isn’t room. A quick dab on the brakes would have set up an amazing race long battle, but it appears Rosberg can’t win in a fair battle. I felt the boos were deserved, he wasn’t even slightly apologetic, which you would be if it was a genuine mistake. As Vettel showed only a lap earlier, it is possible to race fairly.

    Also, just confirmed http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/28921431

    Great race other than that. Superb drive from DR, VB, and KR, and the battle for 5th was incredible.

    1. Docjkm says:

      THE most accurate summation, @Stephen.

      However, I CAN believe what I’m reading, as the vast majority of commenters have and will never guide a real racing car on a real track in a real race against real competitors. I have, with over two decades of experience.

      In car replay clearly shows ROSBERG MADE A QUICK AND DECISIVE STEERING INPUT INTO HAMILTON’S REAR. The collision was clearly volitional, and clearly Rosberg’s intent.

      For those claiming “racing incident”, you are either blind or parrots. Lauda and Wolf have weighed in, and who can blame them? It is GLARINGLY clear.

      I doubt any official repercussions, but as a ROSBERG fan, I’m officially renouncing MY position!

  105. Brian Sul says:

    Simple as this…
    Racing incident – get over it!
    Toto & Nikki – make sure Mercedes remain in the headlines. Whether they crash on the second lap or second last lap, the result is the same….not good.
    Eddie Jordan – great ring master. Though he did set Nico up for it twice “let’s hear it Nico!”
    Booing – no place for it.
    Monza first corner – mouthwatering!

    1. Richard says:

      Racing incident my rear end! Rosberg has admitted he could have avoided but didn’t want to. He should face a mult-race ban.

    2. Stephen Taylor says:

      You say that booing has no place in F1 but I guarantee you if no Ferrari/Ferrari powered drivers make it onto the podium there will be boos for all the podium finishers. That’s the way of the Tifosi. I personally wouldn’t boo anyone in F1 myself but fans paid good money to watch the races at the track and they should be allowed to cheer and boo as much as they want in my opinion.

    3. Brian Sul says:

      I certainly take your points on board but you are talking about mm’s here! They would both deserve a penalty if
      1. Lewis didn’t stick to his racing line despite Nico being there
      2. Nico didn’t put his nose there

      Both are racers and you are going to have incidents like this. Lewis proved that in Germany banging and bashing his way up the grid (and messing up JB’s race along the way). It was a spirited and determined race from him but by way a ‘Virgin White’ performance.

      Having paid your entrance fee doesnt give you the right to be disrespectful. A stoney silence would have sent a better message I think…..not trying to be holier than thou here but two wrongs and all that…

  106. Colin Turner says:

    Why no stewards penalty for Rosberg?

    1. Mike A says:

      For a penalty you need a crime.

    2. effffone says:

      Because he did nothing wrong.

  107. Howard P says:

    The Red Bull Chassis seems to be leagues ahead of everyone else’s. Couple that with Renault catching up, it means a car that can take the fight to Mercedes and win.

  108. goonerf1 says:

    Why was there no safety car for all the tyre debris on the entry to Blanchimont from Lewis’ tyre?

    Surely no safety car was just plain dangerous. Especially with the entire field still so close together. Rubber could have been flung up into drivers helmets very easily. I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but the amount of these types of decisions that go against Lewis are really starting to mount now.

    As for Rosberg – he knew what he was doing. By any measure of racing etiquette, that is not on. You can be firm, by all means, what Magnussen did to Alonso and Button around Rivage was very much border line, but putting your wing in an area knowing full well you are likely to cause a puncture, is just plain dangerous.

  109. Peter says:

    I think the collision was Rosberg`s fault, but Hamilton could have avoid it to happen and stating that Rosberg did it on purpose is again mind games a la Hamilton. In my opinion in Bahrain Rosberg saved one “coming together” when Hamilton pushed him off track, here Rosberg decided to be more agressive. I think however Rosberg`s week point is his overtaking abilities. He is good at defending, but week at attacking. There are very few drivers who are great at hard, but clean racing: Alonso and Kimi are fantastic, Hamilton has great race craft, but if you look back at a five years period he has had lots of crashes with many different drivers.

  110. AuraF1 says:

    C’mon now all the complainers – if that wasn’t a fun race to watch what was? Yes the season may be between only two drivers (or is it even possible for a dark horse Ricciardo WDC??) but we’ve had several awesome races this year. Stop complaining about the noise and just watch (if you can afford the satellite coverage of course) and you’ll see one hell of a lot of drama and brilliant action.

    Yes F1 has a myriad of problems but it’s been a few years since we had so many near run races with ups and downs and real personal conflicts. Credit has to be due!

  111. Brent says:

    I think the records will show that this type of collision has happened to Hamilton on quite a few occasions. Button and the Massa trilogy come to mind.

    It is truly only your racing line if the other guy isn’t on it. If he is, then judgement is required. Hamilton, too me, seemed to ignore the fact Rosberg might not have backed off. If he had allowed Rosberg a little more space Hamilton still would have been first out of the corner. He may not have ended up on the perfect line but it would have been better then Rosberg’s.

    1. Nigel says:

      Agree with you Brent, also I’m a bit concerned at the publicity given to Mercedes execs on this one, they do not have a right to win this championship nor to publicly proclaim on their drivers they way they are doing, Mercedes need to be very careful that their PR does not turn against them.

    2. danny says:

      In this case, Rosberg wasn’t on the racing line. He was alongside it. The collision occurred when Rosberg came back onto it while still partially alongside Hamilton’s car.

      Rosberg could have avoided it. Hamilton could have. However, Hamilton was already on the racing line and was ahead.

      How about Hamilton vs. Button in Canada 2011?

      Button was on the racing line, Hamilton very slightly behind. Hamilton hit the wall because there wasn’t enough room. Race over for him.

      Hamilton’s fault? Clearly.

      Could Button have avoided it? Of course.

      Should he have?

      I’d love to hear your opinion.

    3. Monza 71 says:

      In the light of the outcome of the team meeting, the fact that Rosberg’s admitted that he could have avoided the collision but didn’t to make a point is proof that Hamilton was the innocent party.

      Any genuine and impartial follower of the sport could clearly see that Hamilton had the racing line into the cormer.

      The admission was confirmed by Wolff who has also said that there will be consequences for Rosberg, more serious than a wrap on the knuckles.

      Surely after this admission the FIA should take some action ?

      A one race ban for Rosberg would be an appropriate punishment with Mercedes allowed to run the second car with a replacement driver.

  112. Fausta says:

    Great win for Riccardo! I haven’t been a fan of Lewis for 2 secs but I feel he was hard done by with that lame move by Rosberg. It seemed a very preventable “incident” he basically allowed to happen.
    Screwed poor Felipe once again, always something like this happening to Felipe.

    Glad to see Kimi have a more solid run, too bad for Fernando’s penalty.

    It will be interesting going forward watching what Merc does with this growing problem of rival drivers.

  113. Hiten says:

    I dont know why I feel it is not Ros fault but Ham. Ham knew Ros is on his left but still he took regular racing line. Felt like Ham shut door on Ros knowing he was close to him. I feel during initial laps there is no racing line as such which is why it was declared racing incident by stewards.

  114. Bearforce1 says:

    Lewis is a quitter. I couldn’t believe whining from Lewis over the team radio to be allowed to retire. Soooo Lame.

    Lewis has by many been accused and shown to be mentally fragile and weak. Today proved it once again.

    Also what is the go with Lewis comments after the team debrief. Is Lewis deliberately twisting what was said in the meeting or did he honestly not understand what was said in the meeting. This to say is Lewis telling lies again or is he just stupid. Toto totally rebuffed Lewis comments saying “So they agreed to disagree in a very heated discussion amongst ourselves, but it wasn’t deliberately crashing. That is nonsense.”

    I’m a soooo ‘appy for Ricciardo. Yay is an understatement.

  115. scott says:

    Hey James,
    Do you think the ferrari had the speed to have stopped kimi again in an attempt for 3rd place? That final stint seemed very long.

  116. Craig says:

    There’s been enough of this childish behavior from both Hamilton and Rosberg. I’d say they’re equally in need of being sidelined for a race, both of them, so they BOTH get the message. No more tit for tat back and forth. Replace them both with Lotterer and Kobayashi for a race, then we’ll get two birds with one stone. Hamilton and Rosberg will get smartened up. Kobayashi will blow Lotterer’s doors off, showing Caterham management just how daft they really were taking Kobayashi’s seat away and not Ericsson’s.

  117. Jonathan Powell says:

    I watched this race on the bbc for the first time in a while as I normally watch it on skygo and first of all I have to say theyre coverage is better than I used to give it credit for,very informative but relaxed at the same time. Suzi Perry struggles at times but overall I think they do a very good job!

    A point of discussion was in relation to the booing of Rosberg and how he,and Vettel,are not as popular in Germnay as Schumacher was. The view was that in Rosberg’s case he has a Finnish passport and lives in Monaco and that both him and Vettel suffer becasue Schumacher was from a working class background and showed that anybody can do it…

    I was wondering what your view on this is James and also in relation to Button and Hamilton who,in my opinion,havent reached the levels of popularity in this country that Hill and Mansell achieved.

    Thanks,
    Jonathan

  118. Waz says:

    Very similar incident between Hamilton and massa Singapore 2011, ham recieving a deserved drive through for his clumsy driving. Surprised it wasn’t at least investigated?

  119. Hal says:

    “While Wolff has denied that Rosberg admitted crashing deliberately, SSN reports that the Mercedes boss has confirmed Rosberg acknowledged “he could have avoided crashing but didn’t [in order to] make a point.”

  120. Hal says:

    While Wolff has denied that Rosberg admitted crashing deliberately, SSN reports that the Mercedes boss has confirmed Rosberg acknowledged “he could have avoided crashing but didn’t [in order to] make a point.”

  121. A.M| says:

    Quote “Asked if he could trust the German on the track again, Hamilton said: “I don’t really know how to approach the next race.”

    What a load of BS from Hamliton. LH, you laid this om your self not following team orders! Stop wining about it a take it like a man!!!

    1. Warren G says:

      This is exactly the result Rosberg was looking for. He’s got Hamilton rattled now that he’s not a push over anymore.

      I keep reading about Hamilton bouncing back stronger than ever etc etc, but have yet to actually see it. Rosberg has been in front all but one race this season and you can really sense now that he’s starting to believe the title is his to lose at this point and he wants to stamp some authority on it.

  122. sami says:

    I really hope that the early first stop for Kimi didn’t take away his podium. His last stint was very long.

    Was Magnussen really given a 20 sec penalty for that little blocking in Kemmel straight?

  123. Twist says:

    It’s quite simple: the gloves are truly off!

    Rosberg has clearly had enough of Hamilton’s attitude and aggressive defending and has changed his driving to a similar aggresive “I’m going to pass or we crash together” attitude.

    Both are in their right, they are trying to become WDC here!

    Ps The fact Hamilton is complaining every race does not help his public image though.

  124. Paul says:

    As the stewards did not see any need for further action they have now set a precedence. So if at the next race LH is behind NR going towards the parabolica he can just accidentally on purpose run his car around the outside, snag his wing on nicos car and spit him off into the gravel with a puncture knowing they can’t penalise him for it as I’m sure it would end up in the court of appeals or arbitration for sport….

    Really though the amount of times cars tyres get cut by these ridiculous front wings its time ground effects came back and we got rid of the front wing altogether :-)

  125. méridabob says:

    I haven’t read all these posts, but I’d just like to say this. I’m a big fan and my wife isn’t but she knows a fair bit because of me. I know many latin plant names for the same reason as my wife is a garden designer. She made the comment today that maybe viewership was dropping off because of the inconsistancy of the stewarding. !00% Rosberg’s fault, no penalty. !00% in violation of the rules yet it took 12 laps to give Alonso a penalty and then five laps to serve. He slotted back into 8th or 9th. The penalty would have put him to the back if it had been given appropriately (immediately). And then to penalise Kmag. There is a serious lack of credability forming for the viewer. It’s fixed.

    1. Dino says:

      Please méridabob I would suggest you to read the rules before commenting, the penalty given to Alonso has to be done once the car enters the pit lane for tyre change, so it was up to him to decide when to do it.
      Yes it was Rosberg fault at all. Looks that he said later on that he could had avoided it but he decided not to, to make a point. Hamilton could have given him a little more space knowing he was there or thereabout, but he had been accustomed to see Rosberg backing off, then this time Rosberg decided not to. Nico deserved a penalty this time.
      Kmag as you call him, twice forced Alonso out of the track, that is not allowed by the rules.
      Regards.

  126. Bobbyf1 says:

    Rosberg is a pretty unconvincing WDC. Makes loads of mistakes that somehow seem only to improve his situation, three examples: Monaco quali, Canada chicane, Spa collision.

    Winning ‘any any cost’ isn’t really winning, is it?

  127. FIA must act says:

    Isnt it time the FIA deals with Hamiltons big mouth if Wolff, Lauda and Lowe have no back bone or no authority ? Now he claims Rosberg hit him on purpose which is bullshit and not what Rosberg said at all. Rosberg said he held his line and Hamilton should leave him space (which he hasnt done so far this year). It was obvious sooner or later the relationship between these two would deterioare, just like Ham-Alo, Ham-Sut and Ham-But. Its clear that Hamilton is losing it in more than one way and now starts to politicise his deteriorating campaign, he has history doing it after all. Is this what Mercedes wants, an overpaid underarchiever who destroys the team from within and starts one smearcampaign after another almost after every qualifying and race that doesnt go his way ? Mercedes should do themself a favour and send him to DTM and give his F1 race seat to someone who can really fight Rosberg like a grown up or get Rosberg a second fiddle #2 driver. I fear they will rue keeping Hamilton for much longer he is getting more toxic if he doesnt get his way and with Rosberg unwilling to do a Kovalainnen …. this wont end well.

  128. furstyferret says:

    Its pretty obvious after todays events is that rosberg juxt cannot go toe to toe with hamilton on the track in the heat of battle, he’s yet to pass him,todays events bear this out again ham has him covered all the time, he’s just not a racer, he hasn’t the street fighter in his make up, in the battle between the 2, its allways rosberg whos going to be doing the colliding, todays incident was a perfect example, still trying to tough it out even when the move was over, wether deliberate or not who knows,

  129. JohnH says:

    Stupid mistake by Rosberg! Both Vettel and Hamilton showed they are not as mentally tough and determined as they should be as both seemed to crumble under adversity.
    Actually Vettel just seemed to crumble for no reason he had no real problems with his car, what is his problem?

    Ricciardo is a champion no doubt about it, Ferrari and Mercedes will definitely be knocking on his door.

    1. Rachael says:

      Good comment. Not so long ago the speculation was how long can Red Bull retain Vettel. It seemed that Seb was keen to drive for Ferrari.

      When I was watching the Australian GP this year I was discussing with my friend that second was a good result for Dan, because it meant that Red Bull had to look after him to retain his services, if Seb ever decided to leave.

      Now the question is, why would Ferrari want Vettel?

      1. Rohind says:

        Because he is a 4 time World Champ..Tats y!!!

      2. Craig Baker says:

        Ferrari don’t need Vettel they need Newey!

    2. Rohind says:

      Vettel simply didnt have the pace after lap 2..The driveability was so bad that he was exceeding the track limit all the limit.
      I dont think it is a set-up issue. You normally lose only a tenth or two owing to the set-ups. He was lapping almost 1s a lap slower than Ricciardo.

      There was something fundamentally wrong with the car.
      Some german reporters were reporting that heated words were exchanged at the garage after the race.

      In short, all is not well at Redbull

  130. F1 Badger says:

    Well done Daniel!!!!!!

  131. Fox says:

    Obviously Riciardo had dry setup while Vettel and Alonso had wet setup. Gamble with setup paid off… this time.

    1. Rohind says:

      I dont think that is right. Vettel ran with Ricciardo’s set up as he didnt participate in FP2

    2. Horoldo says:

      Both Bulls had dry setup.

    3. LagunaSeca says:

      Both Ferraris had wet weather levels of rear wing for qualifying.

  132. Gantsta says:

    From a TV spectators POV the HAM / ROS collision looked like a racing incident. I can fully understand the MERC brass being annoyed though. To have a 2 second advantage over the rest of the field and not convert it in to a race win makes them look like a bunch of muppets.

  133. Rockman says:

    Congratulations Daniel you wunderkid! He got a taste of a win and now can’t get enough of it. I thought Seb would do better but he just didn’t…

    Felt sorry for Nico getting booed, he didn’t deserve any of that. Hamilton has more raw pace and killer instinct but when the chips are down, he turns into a QUITTER!! Can’t belive how many times he asked the team to give up… You never ever give up because you never lnow what will happen even on the last lap. I’m a fan of Lewis but I’m no fan of a quitter.

    Bottas is worth every penny he’s paid. Massa is not.

    Kimi is known as the King of Spa for no reason. It’s the one track he seems to come alive. Alonso struggles in spa for whatever reason. Wasn’t really surprised by this result. One good race from Kimi doesn’t make up for the whole season.

  134. LagunaSeca says:

    Super drive from Dan. Seb looked racy until he tried to take Hamilton and ran over those speed bumps at speed. Wonder if that unsettled his car? From that point on he looked lacking in pace. Ferrari again looked like they didn’t want Kimi and Nando together on the same piece of tarmac. Two Ferraris running close together look awesome. They looked very closely matched today so it was a shame to see Nando’s issues. Superb racing from Magnussen, Button, Nando, Vettel at the end.

  135. Mitch says:

    Go for it guys… we knew this has been coming since race 1…

    Get the gloves and the most calculating driver will win the WDC… or the underdog might get up.

    Go Dan..

  136. Matt says:

    I’m no Nico or Lewis fan but I would have loved to see them battle for 44 laps, not just 1 or 2. Stoked to see Danny take another win, worth staying up until midnight here in Aus to watch him race. I highly doubt Nico did it on purpose. I don’t believe the media reports and articles that come out, of course they are trying to get a headline and a reaction.

    Lewis had won the corner and Nico misjudged it. He cant see his front wing, it was a split second judgment which came off wrong. Yes it was his fault but it was a racing incident. Unfortunate one at that for Lewis, but theres still plenty of racing to come. However if the Mercs keep tripping over each other Danny will be catching up pretty quick.

    Surprised there was no safety car. Most of the drivers looked to be taking different lines into/through Blanchimont for the next lap or so. Seemed to be a fair bit of body work and tyre on the racing line.

    Another great drive from Bottas, looking forward to seeing the Williams speed and pace at Monza. Bit unlucky for Lotterer in his first GP with power unit fail on the first couple laps. Hope he gets another shot sometime again.

  137. yellowbelly says:

    Nothing seems to have been made of Lewis overshooting his grid spot by a metre, & then ruining his own race by driving far too quickly back to the pits with a punctured rear tyre, shredding it completely, damaging his own car thus costing himself a probable points finish, and also leaving dangerous tyre debris all over the track, putting other drivers at risk. Poor show from Lewis and certainly the architect of his own eventual DNF.

    1. LagunaSeca says:

      Very strange no investigation on Lewis reversing on the grid right before the start was a bit worrying. Wonder what the regs are on that? Surely that can’t be allowed.

  138. greg says:

    I remember reading the qualifyyping article yesterday and someone commented that Kimi will “never” beat Alonso.
    Even though I am really happy for Kimi, this is his first race in Spa where he didn’t finish on the podium (except when he retired)

    1. Krischar says:

      @ Greg

      Kimi has never beaten Alonso and he did not do so in belgium as well

      Just do not jump with bandwagons yet, because kimi had one good race out of 12. Alonso’s race was finished even before the lights went go. SOme stupid mechanics at Ferrari does not know their routine it seems and Ferrari have put Alonso at disadvanatge through a silly error which could have been averted easily.

      Without the penalty and time lost Alonso would have done much better than he actually fared. Kimi could not even beat massa and i do not understand how people expect him to get the better off Alonso. Funny world and Blinkered people here it seems.

      1. kiran says:

        Its okay! Move on .

        The most complete driver did not pack the right battery.

      2. greg says:

        Scared much?

      3. Nickh says:

        Well he’s getting pretty close in a car built with inherent understeer for Alonso, a characteristic Alonso has always favoured his whole career whilst Kimi favours totally opposite car characteristics and detests understeer.

    2. Krischar says:

      @ Kiran

      “The most complete driver ” – Yes the the most complete pilot and wizard in the GRID does not have any need to work on the electronics and fittings of the car F14T. Why the heck Mechanic’s was too late to get off the batteries from the car and fix it to the car on time. Ferrari are team which has been ranned by fools. The team have costed Alonso more points and a possible podium due to silly error which caterham or Marussia did not commit or concede.

      On a weekend where Alonso out-qualifies kimi by a FULL 1 second then endure a poor fate in the race due to his own team. Yet the people here jump with bandwagons and suggest kimi have beaten Alonso? Joke of the Millennium

      1. kiran says:

        Thanks for clarifying Ferrari is a team – and the team runs the car, not just the driver.

        Few myths busted:

        1. Alonso develops the car and that makes him ‘the complete driver’
        2. Alonso is the most brainy driver and he is part of all race strategies – if this is not a myth, he should be banned by now for crash gate.

        And regarding Kimi not beating Alonso : If you have been watching racing long enough you would know how Kimi and Alonso drives.
        Before the season started not even one expert or journo predicted Alonso would have a comprehensive result on Kimi in the first half. Few did suggest but nobody gave an over the top statement – that goes to show the credibility of the driver Kimi.
        So, it is for Alonso’s own good Kimi looks convincing and drives like himself. Then when Alonso beats him, that would really add up to his credibility.

        Like James Allison said – the chassis is not easy to tweak to get it to Kimi’s driving style.

        Oh! btw this race belonged to Kimi among the two – like many other races belonged to Alonso.

        So, again – move on!

      2. Nickh says:

        @Krischar: Alonso and Kimi have different driving styles (their whole careers). Kimi is now getting closer because Allison is finding ways to iron out the understeer that Alonso likes to drive with, and has driven with the last 4 Ferrari’s.

        Next year I’m sure Allison will ditch this terrible pull-rod suspension and the understeer it brings . Maybe then they will be back at the front

  139. bronwyn says:

    Great GP. Enjoyed every minute!

  140. Bullish says:

    Congrats to Dan. Another awesome race.

    I was very impressed with Red Bull’s launches at the start. It seemed that Dan got off the line quicker than Seb and was baulked.

    Shame Dan lost the 18pts and the grid penalty as he would now be putting pressure on Lewis for 2nd

  141. Bullish says:

    F1 Alive and Kicking.

    Even though the sounds of the engines are quieter, the ferocity of the racing has made F1 exciting and definitely not boring.

    I was again on the edge of my seat for the entire race. Some great battles and awesome overtakes.

  142. greg says:

    Did anyone see the genetta race? Nico would of been proud of the after chequered flag goings on. In short, one driver pissed another off in the race, so after the flag he decided to ram him alot and hard that they was off track. Brilliant. And in the interview he admitted it was a bit much. Itv player?

  143. Elie says:

    Fantastic drive by Dan all Aussies are proud for taking your chances when Mercedes are imploding. Good drive by Kimi. Hes not getting carried away and has rightly stated he has been equally quick at many other races. Only this race & Hungary he did not have someone collide into him or Technical/ Strategic failures. I love the fact that he is very determined to pushing Ferrari forward not beating on chest like some other gool and it must be noted he had new components just before Hungary which are helping.

    Mercedes :- Im continually astonished by how anyone can think the incident was not Nicos fault. He was never alongside; he always had a car width to the left; he always had the opportunity to avoid. The incident was very close to him getting a penalty. The situation is as follows:-
    A) Mercedes clearly said something on Thursday along the lines of :- we learned from Hungary that we should not strategise a driver behind to gain clear advantage on the guy in front
    B) Nico did not take kindly to this because he was asked to yield at China 2013 – Nico must learn that this is water under the bridge- because he has since had several strategic calls to his favour this year alone. Soft tyre choice at Hungary and Bahrain and he lost both times despite getting the calls!
    C) Lewis Radio to stop the race was the smartest thing anyone could do in that situation. He was chewing tyres and could not even make ground on Sutil in P12. Saving the PU and transmission was a sign of a thinking driver and not the whimsicial Stupid calls Channel 10 were saying about Lewis quitting!!- Lewis never quits!!- Last two races proved that beyond any shadow of a doubt!. I am totally appalled at how quickly the press and others forget drivers dogged determination so quickly.
    D) Nico refusing to apologise on the podium and afterwards even if he believed it was an incident was appaulling because it cost the team severly and highlights his rotten intent.
    James Allen will not like this but I find Nico Rosberg far more spoilt than Lewis Hamilton ever will be. Rosberg has only ever won on Sundays when the team have given him every conceivable opportunity to stay ahead of Lewis Hamilton through strategy. This has obviously come to an end after Hungary exposed Mercedes Benz & he dont like it!!.
    Nico Rosberg is a petulant grub – he desperately wants to win the championship and realises HE CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT THE TEAM GIVING HIM ADVANTAGE. . On even terrms he is rarely close to Lewis over a race distance and only qualified faster when Lewis made mistakes.

    If I was Niki Lauda or Toto Wolff I would say this. You guys can continue to race but if you collide with your team mate you will be dropped at the next race for a substitute driver. Guaranteed it wont happen again! And at least one car wins and another chance at top 10.

    Keep flying Hammy you are far better than Rosberg ever will be and everyone witnessed that on Sunday in lore ways than one..

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      i would never have picked your for an aussie elie.

      1. Elie says:

        Sure I mentioned it in a few posts. Im Lebanese (Christian) Australian since 68. Never get picked as Leb either even if then name is a giveaway. If memory servedls me correctly your from Qld and we all know thats not part of Australia either.. or at least thats what many qldrs think : )

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @ elie…. interesting background. no i didn’t pick up your nationality in previous posts and yes, i live on the gold coast, and that is most definitely not your average aussie outpost!! hahaha

  144. Rohind says:

    James,

    In your race strategy report, please explain what ruined Vettel’s race and why he seemed to struggle so much as in China. He was all over the place and seemed to be struggling even to keep the car within track limits.

    Also what will be the penalty if the driver keeps on exceeding the track limits despite the warning?

  145. sami says:

    It was 12th race of the season and finally Ferrari paid some attention to Kimi during the race and suddenly his race strategy started to work.

  146. Krischar says:

    Magnussen got the correct penalty and well deserved too. He simply drove other pilots off the track quite a few times in the race and tried to get away with it. well done to the FIA stewards.

    There are quite a few pilots out there on the track who clearly does not feel or realise the limit when it comes to defending. Magnussen was certainly over the limit in belgium and drove a pastor esque race (No disrespect to pastor though). Magnussen drove JB and Alonso off the track quite a few times which should be trimmed down. FIA stewards need to be aggressive and clamp down such racing techniques right from the start to finish.

  147. Richard D says:

    Obviously, the big talking point of this race is the coming together of Rosberg and Hamilton with the resulting damage. Without trying to apportion blame on this one I would like to pose the question whether open wheel race cars (not just F1) should be regulated to not have sharp bits (ie complex wings) sticking out and thus reduce the risk of punctures?

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