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Posted By: James Allen  |  25 Aug 2014   |  4:41 pm GMT  |  610 comments

Nico Rosberg has released his usual post race video blog, commenting on the incident with team mate Lewis Hamilton at Spa and the comments made by the Briton afterwards.

Hamilton said that Rosberg had admitted to hitting him “on purpose” in their post race meeting.

Not surprisingly, Rosberg has a different view,

“I’ve been told what Lewis said in the press and the way he stated his version of events,” said Rosberg. “My view of the events is very different but it’s just better that I now don’t give all the details of my opinion. I prefer to keep it internal. We had a very good discussion after the race now we need to move forward.”

It was the first destructive contact between the pair in 12 races, which is not so surprising in a way, considering how hard fought the championship is.

Toto Wolff spelled out in his first briefing after the race that this kind of contact between team mates was covered in the agreements that had been made between drivers and the team. He felt “let down” that Rosberg had initiated a move which led to contact and a puncture for Hamilton, which wrecked his race and a broken front wing for Rosberg, which contributed to costing him the victory.

Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton

Leaving aside the motives Rosberg may have had in his move and Hamilton may have had in his comments to the media afterwards, the team’s frustration is that not enough was done by the drivers to avoid that collision in the first place and also post race not enough has been done to ‘de-escalate’ the situation, as Ukraine conflict observers might call it.

Rosberg was attempting a pass early in the race before the DRS was enabled and had almost enough pace to make it. Had he waited another lap, with DRS he would more likely have pulled off a clean pass. It was a rather clumsy effort; Rosberg is not as adept at the close quarters stuff as Hamilton. It could have been avoided in other words, as Rosberg admitted in the post race meeting – which Hamilton and Wolff have confirmed.

Hamilton took his words to mean that Rosberg did it on purpose, hence his statements to the media. His decision to go public on things said in a private team meeting is another cause for concern, similar to the tweeting of Jenson Button’s set up sheet at McLaren a couple of years ago.

Lewis Hamilton

There are some lines within teams which, when crossed, cause some serious eyebrow raising. Hamilton feels let down and has acted in the way he sees fit, which has crossed a line. Rosberg has crossed a line in triggering the incident, failing to avoid the risk.

Rosberg, a more calculating individual, has preferred to keep his powder dry in terms of public statements, but the big picture of the Spa saga is that it is all part of his strategy to keep Hamilton on edge. It’s worked so far pretty well; Hamilton has not put together many complete race weekends since Monaco, sometimes for reasons beyond his control, like the qualifying fire in Hungary, other times for his own reasons.

It’s set up in a very interesting way for the rest of the season. It will be extraordinarily hard for the Mercedes management to find a level on which the pair can work together now, but they must find a way and strict no contact rules will be enforced, even if it must be at the cost of letting them race at times, as Wolff vowed yesterday.

* Interestingly Mercedes’ main sponsor Petronas issued a statement on Monday, which is quite unusual for a title sponsor after an incident on track.

Here’s what it said:

“We are proud to be partners with MERCEDES AMG PETRONAS Formula One Team. Having such a highly motivated Team and competitive drivers has helped us tremendously achieving the success on and off the track – with strong leads in both world championships. Based on the progress so far, we could have seen the Team and the drivers at the very best with a one two finish.

“However, that did not materialise due to the incident that occurred in Lap 2. Racing is all about taking risks and the skill of racing is in how those risks are managed out on track. Nobody in the team or at PETRONAS wants to see championship points lost through incidents like yesterday happened. We believe that the drivers and the Team will remain focused and competitive, and make it their priority to win the Championship title.”

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  1. Rob Newman says:

    The way Mercedes handled the entire situation from the beginning is shambolic. First of all Lauda and Wolff shouldn’t have made such negative comments about Nico. I don’t understand what they were trying to prove by castigating their own driver in the public. Nico didn’t do it on purpose but he could have avoided it. Lewis too could have avoided the accident. Had Lewis gone a bit slower after the puncture, he wouldn’t have damaged his floor to that extent.

    1. Stewie says:

      Lewis could not avoid the accident. What was he supposed to do – stop his car and say after you? The reality is Nico got rattled after Lewis won four races, made a questionable move in Monaco, and the team let him get away with it.
      I think Mercedes have a real problem on their hands – from a PR standpoint, it looks as if one car has all the problems, and one car does not. That fact, combined with this new problem , does not sit well with MB Board.

      1. Tristan says:

        Stewie, Lewis could simply have turned in to the left hander a little later and given some room. Miss the apex on the left hander by half a cars width, but have the inside run for the two right handers following and maintain the lead. He knew Rosberg was there. Don’t get me wrong, Rosberg’s move was clumsy but Lewis ended up DNF’ing and zero points by taking the racing line because he was allowed to – who cares about ‘being in the right’ if you get no points? IMO best described as a racing incident.

        To my mind though, the larger issue here is Hamilton coming out and openly discussing a private meeting. That is not on in any way. Hamilton’s paranoia and negative mindset will do him more harm than Rosberg giving him a flat.

        Ham likes to compare himself to Senna, but Senna would not be dealing with the pressure the way he is. He would never have been calling in to the pits asking to retire.

      2. Bryan strydom says:

        Conspiracy Theory 1. Well done. There is nothing like “Unconditional Support” no matter what the facts.

      3. Bryce says:

        Lewis should avoid one thing in particular, and never open his mouth. Good behind the wheel, but it ends there.

      4. Joni Hagner says:

        If Hamilton just didn’t try to make the apex and go ever so slightly wide he wouldn’t have ran over Nico’s front wing, where as Nico was out of space the only way at that point for him to miss Hamilton was to go into the run off area and end up like Vettel and damage the floor.

      5. Brian says:

        Yes, Lewis could also have avoided the incident.

        Don’t forget that both drivers have driven Spa numerous times. They both know all the preferred lines and the alternative lines as well. Lewis also knew that Nico was right there. He has mirrors, ears, and good peripheral vision. At one point, Nico’s front end is alongside Lewis’ sidepod.

        In order for Lewis to avoid the incident, he simply needed to move a bit to the right and give Nico room to stay on track. It’s a very small adjustment.

        Since we know that Nico could have avoided the incident by lifting, the only resonable conclusion is that it was an avioidable racing incident. Both drivers share the blame and that’s how the stewards saw it as well.

      6. Bobbyf1 says:

        Agree with Stewie, 100%. Rosberg’s a paper champion.

      7. Tealeaf says:

        The bias towards Hamilton from the fans and the british media never cease to amaze me, a clear racing incident and all this fuss, if Hamilton wanted to he could have avoided that quite easily by not squeezing Rosberg, if it was the other way round I wonder if these so called FANS would be booing Hamilton on that podium.
        Just like in Hungary when Hamilton ignored team orders no one booed Hamilton on the podium and none of the british media made a big deal out of it, I remember the british media tried their hardest to tarnish Vettel when he ignored team orders and overtook Webber at Malaysia 2013, this double standard is almost laughable, Hamilton got what he deserved and getting done by Rosberg in quali 8-4? Ouch.

      8. TimW says:

        Tealeaf, do you consider Niki Lauda and Toto Wolff to be members of the British media? They clearly agreed with every other expert in holding Nico responsible for the collision, we all know how much you dislike Lewis, but seriously mate you are onto a loser with this one. Missed your “Vettel is the greatest, just accept it” posts this season……

      9. YVR says:

        @ Tristan, if Ham misses the apex at turn 6 to leave room on his left for Ros he will be totally out of shape and will miss the apex going into turn 7, what you are suggesting is the same as pulling over and letting Ros pass and possibly others.

      10. Tristan says:

        @YVR, true, that is another way it could have panned out. The key part here is that even if he dropped to second, he was still in the race. Worst case scenario and he finishes second and gets 18 WDC points is a lot better than DNF’ing and getting none.

    2. Andrew says:

      I think the point is, if it was anyone but your teammate then there’s some leeway. What you don’t do is take such risks with your teammate. Nico was 11 points in the lead and decided it was a risk worth taking. The point is , whether he or Lewis likes it, it’s all about the team.

      1. Nick says:

        It’s all about the team?

        Except when Hamilton is given orders by the team right?

      2. YVR says:

        @ Nick, if you are referring to Hungary, nobody would have bowed to those shortsighted team orders…accept for maybe you?.

    3. AlexD says:

      Rosberg turned into Ham, have you seen analysis and slow motion footage?

      1. Msta says:

        My view is that it was a minor steering correction, possibly due to maybe losing traction for a split second or suffering from a degree of oversteer. We see the drivers doing this all the time, having to jag the wheel in the opposite direction to the corner being taken..

      2. Carl Craven says:

        “turn in”???

        He’s taking a corner

      3. Tim Olson says:

        Turned into Hamilton? Oh please! if you know anything about racing lines you’d know he was trying to make the corner…

      4. D1M0NST3R says:

        When you REALY, analize something, you have to take in consideration the whole move of the 2 drivers, not only after turn 1, at the middle of the turn 1, you can clearly see how Rosberg is almost side by side with LH, what does this means? it means that, LH HAD TO GIVE ENOUGH SPACE to NR, a car width says the rule.

      5. Michael Powell says:

        The video doesn’t show that. You may have been watching some computer graphics that are not any better evidence than a bar of soap. But some people will believe anything.

        Rosberg has been hung out to dry by his team because they wanted a 1-2 and if he had stayed behind at a respectful distance that is probably what would have happened. He had different ambitions, and quite rightly too.

        After this experience with his team Nico is clearly very depressed. It will be most unlike him to stay that way for long. After all, he lived three years in the shadow of Michael Schumacher who, like Lewis, has a giant ego to contend with. I expect him to zip back to the top at Monza where there will be no partisan baying from the crowd to upset him.

        Lewis has no way back from this, and neither should he be given one. Mercedes are joining him in grabbing failure from the jaws of success.

        Nico is winning on Saturday, don’t forget, and Lewis is losing on Sunday.

    4. littleredkelpie says:

      Agreed, Rob Newman. It occurs to me that the negative comments about Nico, so unprofessionally expressed by Team Management post race, may be highlighting the very undertones within the team about which Nico wanted to “make a point’ by holding his ground in that corner….

    5. Bart says:

      The fact remains that Rosberg caused an avoidable collision, which they say is unacceptable. What should the team management should have said in your opinion?

      1. floodo1 says:

        Rosberg admitted the collision was avoidable but claims that he did not cause it.
        Regardless of the regulations Lauda and Wolff both recognized the ridiculousness of Rosberg’s move. How many fabulous passes and attempted passes have we seen this year involving world champions and non-champions alike, and Rosberg chooses to hold a hopeless line that will inevitably result in a collision.

        This incident really adds fuel to the Monaco conspiracy theory, considering that this time Rosberg admits that he was trying to prove a point to Hamilton.

        I’ve got to say, I’ve not seen Hamilton nor Rosberg looks as lame as they do this season :-( Fortunately there’s some fantastic racing going on behind them, heh and even sometimes in front of them!!

    6. harv says:

      Maybe by showing that they are so angry, this will reduce the complaints by fans when they decide to implement team orders? “We had to implement team orders to control our drivers”

      1. Sebee says:

        Well called sir!

      2. Sebee says:

        So Nico can’t lose, as most of the instructions given be the team have been ignored by Lewis. Nico got 18 points up, showed Lewis he will stand his ground and forced the team to get Lewis to respect team instructions. This play of Nico’s looks better and better by the day.

    7. aveli says:

      hamilton could have avoided the incident by slowing down and moving over for rosberg to pass.

      1. Jolgas says:

        Hamilton could have slowed down??? Ridiculous. Are they not supposed to be racing? Rosberg hit Hamilton from behind and should apologise.

      2. Michael says:

        @ aveli You’re joking, right?

      3. Andrew C says:

        Yeh because that’s what racing drivers do when being challenged for position. I think you’re watching the wrong sport mate. No leading driver fighting for a world championship has ever stepped aside and said after you. Your expectations are beyond ridiculous.

      4. LT says:

        or Rosberg could have avoided it by being a better racer

      5. Random 79 says:

        Of course he’d have to make way for the low flying pig as well…

      6. pepe_le_pew says:

        +1 too true

      7. Nick says:

        You’re all missing the point.

        Was this Rosberg’s fault – most probably.
        Was Hamilton in the wrong – most likely not.
        Could Hamilton have given Rosberg more room – Most definitely

        At the end of the day, regardless of who’s fault it is, Hamilton was well aware that Rosberg was alongside him somewhere. If Hamilton was a smarter racer, we would have left more room just to be sure. Far too often this season Hamilton has SLAMMED the door on Rosberg and even chopped him a few times. This was bound to happen sooner or later and I applaud Rosberg for standing his ground, even if it was a silly move.

        As far as I’m concerned Rosberg did himself more good than harm. Hamilton is now fully aware that Rosberg will not be pushed around and he should think twice before trying to bully him on track in future.

        On another note, I believe that a smarter racer like Button or Alonso would not have come together with Rosberg. They would have left more room.

      8. Daniel4WDC says:

        Aveli. Nico caused an avoidable collision – which he knows he is obligated via the rules to take action to avoid. He did not, and admitted this to Lewis and Toto & Mr Lauda, and whoever else was present at the team debrief. Nico was lucky not to have been penalised – but I imagine he has given the stewards at forthcoming races enough examples of questionable driving to get no further benefit of the doubt in future.

      9. Nickh says:

        Hamilton should have slowed down and let Rosberg through, then held up the whole field in 2nd to allow Rosberg to cruise to an easy victory without flexing his engine at all. Hamilton is very impolite for not doing this.
        Also there should be a new rule for backmarkers if Rosberg is approaching them, they should be forced to completely exit the track and come to a complete halt. This would remove any chance of inevitable front wing damage or punctures

      10. Russ says:

        I get your joke if no one else did.Well played.

      11. NickH says:

        I’m pretty sure he’s joking!!

        Ever heard of Sarcasm?!

      12. Mark Wesseling says:

        @Nick (not Nickh, so no typo here)
        Very well said. Just about the same analysis as I posted in the other article…
        Almost ant fan or journalist overlooks the fact that Lewis should have given a little more room and it wouldn’t have effected his speed going into the following corners. Nico not lifting in a situation like this was bound to happen sometime after Bahrain were he did this in Evert corner.
        Ok, Nico could have avoided this collosion, but Lewis became the victim of his own track attitude / arrogance. As said, Alonso and Button would have avoided this incident without losing position.
        Being aggressive/arrogant in every situation you will lose out sometime. Giving a little more room towards opponents will eventually be rewarded.
        What’s the saying: you will recieve what you get, regardless of status or friends…

    8. Thompson says:

      Rob Newman they castigated him openly simply because they were has shocked as anybody.

      It was a real response – not PR not scripted but genuine dismay that a driver could behave this way.

      You sit there saying Nico did’nt do it on purpose is bewildering. It happened the footage is there to interpret it how you wish.

      Rosberg wants to keep it internal?

      like some one has said what will he do when presented with the video and questioned as to what point he was proving.

      I still cannot understand why he would do that all that remains is mercs response and what action they take.

      1. Michael says:

        @ Thompson A one race ban should be the punishment. No more, no less.

      2. Bruno Menilli says:

        Hi The footage shows that Roseberg could have avoided causing an accident, and the footage also shows that Hamilton could have avoided causing an accicident — so just a racing incident.

        What WAS wrong and unprofessional was Woolf and Lauda mouthing off in public about Rosberg before they had even spoken to him, Hamilton revealing details of a private meeting, and Petronas’ later statement — so just big business.

        Perhaps they should make the cars more robust so they don’t fall apart at the least touch ?

        No longer a racing sport but a green politically correct technological testing ground.

        Watch MotoGP and see them bashing into each other at great speed – real racing, with the press not turning it into a boring minutly inspected sham afterwards.

      3. Thompson says:

        @Bruno menilli

        Rosberg is occupying the middle of the track with his wing inline with Hamilton’s rear. If Hamilton had moved further the collision would still have occurred.

        Rosberg did not lose an end plate he lost most of the wing. Hence having to pit to change it

        In the recent past when Hamilton lost wing e.g against Button he was still able to complete the race – or you can look at it another way if you want another conspiracy.

        The way Rosberg turned in the intent was there.

        Martin Brundle on the sky website gives his view, in the piece they have a picture from Rosbergs onboard, I would suggest all those suggesting Hamilton should have left ‘more’ room look at the pic. Look ahead of Rosberg and see for yourself how much space he had.

        I can’t fight you guys on this but look at the images and videos – including Hamilton’s rearward looking camera footage.

        Make of it what you will.

    9. Richard says:

      On the contrary they were spot on as it was entirely Rosberg’s fault. Lewis had no need to avoid anything as he had the racing line going into the corner and was sufficiently ahead of Rosberg to put it beyond doubt. Rosberg deliberately went for the manoeuvre when he knew the probable consequences. Frankly he needs dealing with by the FIA before something more serious happens. Do you realise how far Lewis had to go around the circuit to get to the pits. Be realistic at least Hamilton’s race was over when Rosberg ran into him, and it’s a good bet he did it on purpose but of course like Monaco we’ll never get to know.

      1. Msta says:

        Is there a rule which states that a trailing driver must yield and give way so that the slightly ahead driver can have full and unobstructed access to the racing line?

        Maybe there is no such rule because otherwise Nico would have been given a penalty on the day by the stewards.

        Perhaps the racing line could be painted on the circuit in different colour zones which indicate to the drivers if you have not made it to position x along side your opponent by a certain point then you must back off or move away from the racing line. But then again the racing line is also a subjective descriptor, open to interpretation and each of the 22 drivers probably adopt a slightly different racing line anyway. So therefore a ridiculous idea.

        I would suggest that the FIA needs to clarify the rules of racing.

      2. Richard says:

        Msta: The thing is drivers aim for the apex on a corner and as the move took place between two close corners the racing line would automatically being on a line drawn between them. It is racing ettiquette that all responsible drivers adhere to is that the leading driver has right of way over an attacking driver from behind. Read David Coulthard’s column. It is understood, but maybe there is a rule that backs that up, but I couldn’t say, and let’s face all you are trying to do is find an excuse for Rosberg. Well you can’t defend the indensible I’m afraid. It was a deliberate manoeuvre, but only Rosberg can know what the intent was. The fact remains that this is the second time Hamilton has lost out to a “mistake” by Rosberg and I for one do not believe in coincidences of that nature.

      3. Msta says:

        I would be interested to hear your thoughts (and others) on who was responsible for the lap 1, turn 4 crash between Vettel and Bruno Senna at the 2012 Brazilian GP? This was similar (somewhat more chaotic though) to what we saw between Nico and Lewis on Sunday.

        Similarly for this incident there was no stewards penalty for either driver, it was considered a racing incident. I don’t recall DC’s opinion on that one at the time but on this occasion I disagree.

        Opinion seems to be strongly divided as to whether this was Nico’s fault, 50/50 or Lewis’ Fault. I think it was a 50/50. All I am suggesting is that the ahead driver isn’t automatically entitled to the racing line when there is someone beside him (as small as the overlap may be). It appears the stewards think this way as well and perhaps the FIA should clarify this grey area.

      4. Richard says:

        Msta: I’m not interested in what happened in another race, but racing ettiquette says that if the attacking driver is less than half along the length of the leading car then the lead driver does not have to give room. As Nico was way further back than that he should have known that the manoeuvre was not on, indeed he did know but kept his foot in, and therefore it was deliberate. Jenson Button who is an astute driver said quite clearly that no move was on. Nico was irresponsible and should be punished for the manoeuvre. Hamilton had the line and the corner and did no wrong.

    10. Russ says:

      They castigated their driver IN PUBLIC because he deserved it.The paying public boo’ed him on the podium.Watch,they will continue to Boo him.The line about the fans needing to read the rule book better before they react is an insult.

      1. Voodoopunk says:

        “The paying public boo’ed him on the podium.Watch,they will continue to Boo him.”

        I’m afraid that says more about the paying public than it does Rosberg.

      2. Tim Olson says:

        The paying pubic? more like Hamilton loyalists, booing Germans seems to be the order of the day and Sky makes up all sort of excuses to protect these pathetic ‘fans’, they argued ‘fans’ booed Vettel because of Malaysia 2013 but the booing started in Australia the race before that, please explain.
        Is it a coincident that Hamilton has trouble wherever he goes? I suppose he can do no wrong its everyone else’s fault, Massa, Sutil, Alonso, Vettel, Button, Raikkonen, Kobayashi, Bottas and probably many others all clashed with Hamilton but its never his fault.

      3. NickH says:

        It says they know a cheat when they see one

      4. Voodoopunk says:


        Or rather it says more about them as people, and ‘fans’ if you will.

      5. Thompson says:


        This is probably the most contributions I have made on this site on any topic.

        They were in spa!

        Not England the boos were louder than the engines. That’s not a small english/LH fans boo.

        Honestly you guys.

    11. chris hill says:

      Absolutely agree with this. Ross Brawn would have handled this much better. You have to remember that Lewis could have avoided the accident too by allowing room for Nico but this is not Lewis’ style. Actually if roles had been reversed Lewis would have done the exact same thing, probably taking it further if possible. Many of the moves lewis pulls tend to be “i’m going to throw this car at you and there will be a collision unless you move out of the way”. This has worked well with past team mates because they have always had the interests of the team in mind. No matter how he keeps sprouting on about how terrible it is for the team, you’ll never convince me that Lewis has any interest in the team at all. What Toto should have said is “oh well it was a racing incident and was inevitable when a team allows their drivers to race each other.”
      Perhaps they need to get a few tips from Mark Gallagher on how to handle the media?

      1. Jolgas says:

        Lewis would not have done the same thing. Perhaps Lewis of old yes, but not now. He’s a lot more careful. To risk that in second lap was not the act of a mature driver and potential world champion.

      2. aveli says:

        hamilton will never, i repeat never deliberately crash into rosberg. nor matter what rosberg does. It is not in hamilton’s nature to do such a think. hamilton has always asked for equal treatment at every team has be been with and refuses preferential treatment.
        i suspect rosberg has protection from the highest office in f1, ecclestone.

      3. marco mazzucco says:

        Normally I am not so drawn by a discussion but this one is irresistible for exactly the reason you mention. Lewis is known to be an aggressive driver (and naturally incredibly fast no doubts) and many fans love seeing him throw his car into places where it normally wouldn’t fit. At times this works because it is the perfect pass, at times it works because the other driver gets out of the way because he doesn’t want to wreck his one race in a collision. It is what people like about Lewis and what Lewis even says about himself …. but when something so clearly a racing incident happens to him (arguably very stupid as many done by Lewis in the past) and the first thing he goes is to go to the press to whine about it … it’s a priceless level of hypocrisy which makes it really enjoyable to follow.

        From the outside, the biggest culprit in all of this mess for Mercedes is Niki. His immediate comments after the last race that Lewis was right in not following team orders I believe have bore their fruit. Most likely those orders shouldn’t have been given, but anyone who has brought up kids knows this is the first mistake one can make: giving an order (his team did, not himself, but this doesn’t change things), watching it be broken and then immediately telling the child they were right in breaking it. Yes, even if they were right it was the wrong way to handle it for Lewis and for Nico. Great driver Niki… it seems though as a manger he needs a little help.

      4. Henry Duke says:

        +1 – As I was reading the piece, I was thinking what a shame it was that Ross Brawn isn’t at the team any more. He is exactly the guiding hand that is required for a situation such as this. This cannot be described as anything other than a racing incident, if it had happened between two drivers from different teams (or even two drivers from the same team that weren’t fighting for the championship – Marussia/Canada for example) this would be a total non-story by now!

      5. JF says:

        Agree: This was not a deliberate crash but could have been avoided by either driver. Stuff happens. Here comes the team orders.

      6. Tim Olson says:

        Hamilton did the exact same move on Vettel at Silverstone in 2010 and punctured Seb’s tyre, how comes its never mentioned ever??? He also tried to do it to Massa at Monza 2010 but backfired when it broke his own steering arm. He tried the same again at Valencia 2012 at the start but failed to puncture Seb’s tyre that time but obviously Hamilton fanboys have selective memory.

      7. Luis G says:

        Sir, you need to see the start of the Canadian GP again…

      8. Oliver says:

        Lewis gave Nico all the room he needed, which in hindsight emboldened him to think he had a right to the corner. Next time, Hamilton will begin to run him wide leaving him no choice but to go off track. Rosberg was not crowded, he had so much room to the edge of the track.

    12. hillstormer says:

      Completely agree, this has been blown out of praportion and the blame lays largely at the team. It’s a racing incident caused by some sloppy driving. The reaction Rosberg got on the podium was terrible, we all make mistakes. These guys are selfish racing drivers fighting for a world championship neither is going to give an inch. If Hamilton had hit rosberg instead we would be say ‘racing incident’ and I doubt the team would of hit out so publically at him.

      1. Sebee says:

        Why do you think that is that they would go easy on Lewis but could unload on Nico? Is one more delicate than the other?

      2. Gazza says:

        At least the team aimed there anger at the driver who caused the accident.

        I remember Turkey 2010 with Horner cuddling Vettel on the pit wall after crashing into Webber, now that really was mollycoddling taken to the extreme.

      3. Msta says:

        @Sebee: I think at this point the team acts more sympathetically to Lewis because they feel sorry for him that they have let him down with car reliability issues.

      4. Sebee says:

        Msta, can’t argue with that. Makes perfect sense.

      5. JF says:

        Stuff happens. Wouldn’t even blame the team. You can’t predict or guard against incidents that occur in split seconds. Team mates run into each other on occasion, all this conspiracy and finger pointing is tiresome. If they did it all the time, thats another story.

    13. Hal says:

      What should Lewis have done to stop Rosberg running into him?…let him pass?

      1. Peter says:


        Thats what he expects from everyone else!!

      2. Jorn Jens says:

        He expects that from everyone else but there he didn’t need to just give up the apex at le combe and go a car width wide he would have kept the lead, but his low IQ and sense of privilege would have him do whatever he wants and expects to come out smelling of roses when everyone else dive out of his way, not going to happen, a overrated driver trying to defend against Rosberg because of his inability to pull away, priceless.

        8-4 in quali as well, a few more poles from Rosberg the qualifying battle will be over as well.

    14. Stagin says:

      You think by going slower that the delaminating tire would not still tear up the floor?

      Here’s the facts – You, nor I, know what Nico was thinking – and we never will.
      Nico Rosberg & Lewis Hamilton = Professional F1 drivers.
      What we do know is that Nico was clearly behind Lewis and made an amateurish attempt at a pass, which cost Mercedes Benz F1 World Championship points. This is not the first time Nico has made an amateurish mistake this year that cost the team points.

      1. Andrew Cumbria says:

        I think if you look at the race result, Nico got 18pts and Hamilton got 0pts, his WDC position is better than it was before hand, and Lewis now knows that failing winning many of the coming races unless Nico has some DNF’s its unlikely he will win the championship this year.

        All that said I think you an agree that Nico did the professional thing, and ensured his nearest competitor is now in a much worse position.

        That said I have little or no sympathy with Lewis either, he is being played, Nico is using Hamiltons ego and self-belief against him.

        I cant see anyone other than Nico being WDC this year, and I think this shows that whilst Lewis might be fast on a single lap he lacks the mental toughness, and single minded focus thats required by the ultimately greatest drivers. Senna and Schumacher didn’t back down or get phased in the way Lewis is.

        I am sure in this case he was the injured party, but these wounds are unlikely to ever heal, and go to prove that ultimately Lewis just doesnt quite have whats required.

      2. Bradley says:

        By that standard, it’s hard to pick out a driver that hasn’t made amateurish mistakes that cost their team points at some stage of their career.
        It’s impossible to do so amongst the Mercedes drivers.

    15. Nigel says:

      Completely agree Rob, not sure what Niki was trying to achieve (that’s not unusual though!) and he probably backed Toto into having to say something publicly when he may have preferred not to. Non executive chairman? Laudable idea, but laughable in its execution…(:-)

      1. aveli says:

        they were doing heir job just like the drivers were doing their job. if the drivers didn’t do their job well it is up to the management to tell them so is it not?

      2. Steven says:

        Lauda has a vested interest in Hamilton succeeding, it was his idea to bring Hamilton in and I’m guessing that Hamilton’s salary was a hard sell to the board. If Rosberg wins the title they may want to know why the spent so much on Hamilton. This makes his opinions on anything involving the two of them at best something that needs to be treated with caution.

      3. JF says:

        I don’t think this was so premeditated as that.

    16. luqa says:

      Agreed, TW and NL convicted NR publicly before he even had a chance to defend himself. Very amateur.
      The fact LH then went and “basically” blabbed to the media his interpretation of a closed door meeting does nothing to to enhance team stability and harmony. How can the team ever trust him again? He has a history of not respecting confidentiality when it relates to data, nor internal conversations. In most company that would be grounds for instant dismissal for cause.

      As Rob says, both drivers could have avoided the incident. However, LH thought he could get away with closing the door again, as he has many times in the past, most recently in Bahrain and Hungary on NR. Similarly NR could have avoided the incident by braking harder os closing his steering a bit. In both cases, egos were involved and both were trying to make a point, so “excrement” happens when neither backs down and you end up with a racing incident either could’ve avoided if they didn’t let their egos get the better of them.

      1. luqa says:

        I should add, because the WAY this incident was handled, I’ve lost a lot of respect for Mercedes and the people, especially the Management, involved in what should be in a minor racing incident.

      2. Oliver says:

        Rosberg said he will comment after he has seen the video, we still haven’t heard his comment, and I am sure none is coming because he knows it was his doing.
        It was not a secret meeting it was a team meeting.

    17. Random 79 says:

      Very true, but speaking for myself if I was put in Hamilton’s place and I had to limp 6(?) long km back to the pits while my rival was getting away more or less clean after taking me out I might find that having patience was a bit of an ask.

      Honestly I think they both would be kicking themselves after that shambles.

      1. aveli says:

        hamilton is incredibly more intelligent than the media give him credit. he demonstrated incredible patience and will continue to do so. he knows what it is like not to have unlike his millionaire’s son teammate.

      2. Jorn Jens says:

        You poor sod, Hamilton started cracking at Barcelona even after winning 4 on the trot but he realised even with a perfect race he wasn’t able to pull way from Rosberg in a straight fight and the pressure was getting to him on the track hence why he try to start mind games at that point, its backfired spectacularly as he’s failed to gain a pole since that race and only won the british GP due to a dubious gearbox of Nico.

    18. Peter A says:

      This saga is going to run and run whilst opinions will be divided depending on which driver has one’s sympathies. Only Mercedes actions over the next few weeks will reveal what their true feelings are.
      My way of looking at it is by removing the protagonists from the equation so we can look at the actions from an F1 perspective .
      Mercedes are entitled to be enraged by any driver who through selfishness may ruin the chance of a championship. The important thing to note is winning adds more to the brand and brings in sponsorship. Even having the 1,2 finishing stats adds to the $$$$, or €€€€ or ££££ they can command at the negotiating table, aside from the championship points. By trying an overtaking move so early in a race, one driver has put 100s of millions at risk. When both Toto and Niki speak about not doing it on lap 2, there is more to it than simply waiting. F1 is races rely on data and strategy and the team would know the optimum times to overtake especially a teammate so to do it in such a careless way is unacceptable especially when it costs the team another 25 points.
      Toto and Niki were well within their rights to blow a fuse. There is no ‘I’ in team so the drivers have to learn and their statements in the immediate aftermath were not out of order. If they hadn’t there would have been some answers required from higher up.

      1. aveli says:

        i don’t see anything wrong with rosberg attempting to pass hamilton on lap 2. my problem is rosberg caused the collision on purpose after expressing to the team how unhappy he was with hamilton not slowing down to let through during their thursday meeting. rosberg thought he had been wronged and wanted to put things right but the fact is he had not been wronged, he just wasn’t intelligent enough to realise that he hadn’t been wronged.
        secondly, how many times have we seen rosberg successfully overtake hamilton on the outside? thirdly how many unsuccessful overtaking attempts did rosberg make on Sunday, locking his wheels and being no where near colliding with the opposition?
        he is simply used to having everything since childhood and yet to learn how to cope with not having.

      2. Bruno Menilli says:

        “There is no ‘I’ in team” — yes there is, and its spelled as ‘me’

    19. Iain:R8 says:

      Have just been watching replays of the incident. It is quite clear that Nico tried to avoid hitting Lewis. Just before they made contact, Nico makes a very sharp left turn on his steering wheel. If it was deliberate, then it would have been in the opposite direction, or nothing. I agree with James, that Lewis has overstepped the mark, by revealing what happened in the team meeting. The claims about what Nico said are pretty thoughtless. In other places, lawyers would be involved. I would have thought that Lewis would have had guidance from his management company on how to handle PR matters. Especially when you consider how many similarly controversial incidents he has caused in past seasons.

      1. DH says:

        Spot on Iain:R8.
        Your comment sums up the incident and blows away all the othe emotional drivelm that others are posting!

      2. C63 says:

        In other places, lawyers would be involved……

        On what grounds would Nico sue Lewis? You are only slandering someone if what you say is untrue.

      3. A Cook says:

        So you obviously missed NRs last steering input where he steered towards LH?
        If he really wanted to avoid contact then he should have lifted off and not steered towards LH.
        He was obviously angry that he had lost the lead and was pushing knowing that if LH had been forced off line then he might have a better chance at the next corner.
        What he didn’t realise is that LH couldn’t see him (Check Anthony Davidson’s post race analysis).
        Clumsy, dangerous and stupid all in one manoeuvre.

        If I were MB I would replace NR with the test driver for the next race.
        That would show him that you never put the WDC ahead of the WCC.

      4. NickH says:


        No that is totally incorrect. The driver in front has all the cards. They have no obligation whatsoever to allow room, especially when he is barely alongside apart from his sharp front wing weapon that he used to such great effect. Yes he went left, but then he went back to the right straight away again when Lewis car was in exactly the same position relative to Rosberg. It’s very clear from the onboard.

        He could have taken a leaf out of Vettels book and taken to the escape road and then there wouldn’t be this huge mess. I expect Rosberg had a ‘spolit brat tantrum’ inside his helmet because he knew that was it for his race, Lewis would have bolted off into the distance so he decided to take matters into his own hands.

        Which controversial incidents he has caused this season?? The only one I remember this season is when Rosberg ‘made a mistake’ in Monaco that prevented Lewis getting pole. An incident that was unanimously agreed as deliberate by all current and ex-F1 drivers and they couldn’t believe he wasn’t penalised. Probably because his Dad is mates with Bernie

      5. NickH says:

        Did you fall asleep the exact moment he turns right and collides with Hamilton???

      6. Bobbyf1 says:

        No, he turns back into the collision.

    20. Rodrigo Luiz Martins says:


    21. Kev says:

      Niki supports Lewis. Hence the reaction. Toto will be looking dumb if he isn’t angry for the camera.

      I agree with your rest of the comments though. Avoidable accident but not entirely Nico’s fault.

      1. Bobbyf1 says:

        Niki supports sportsmanship and not ‘win at any cost’ tactics. Rosberg has bloodied the nose of the team and sullied his own already shaky reputation, a one race suspension is probably the only thing that can keep a lid on this now.

    22. Adrian says:

      He did it on purpose. Like Michael Schumacher, Rosberg tried to gain an advantage [mod]. He then has the audacity to imply that only English fans were booing him on the podium when in reality it was true motor racing fans. My advice to Lewis would be to get Honda to buy out his contact and get back in a Mclaren next season.

      1. James Clayton says:

        Yes joining a team that can’t build a competitive car even when they have the fastest engine is a great idea, especially when the new engine supplier is believed to be behind schedule…

      2. James Clayton says:

        Yes joining a team that can’t build a competetive car even when they have the fastest engine is a great idea, especially when the new engine supplier is believed to be behind schedule…

      3. Nick says:

        Yeah, going back to McLaren will be a great idea. That way all of his fans can start accusing Button of being a cheat, underhanded etc. etc. Team mate yet again.

      4. Bobbyf1 says:

        Gotta hope it’s Nico that walks. Who’d want a McLaren seat for 2015? Honda aren’t going to win out of the gate.

    23. Rodders says:

      Rob, I see where you are coming from, but look at the move again. Where was Hamilton supposed to move to, to give room? More to the inside of the first corner? If he did that he’d have given Rosberg three quarters of the track!

      I think the anger of Wolff and Lauda was because he shouldn’t even have TRIED such a move at that time.

      1. aveli says:

        have a look at rosberg’s attempt to pass vettel and you will understand that rosberg hit hamilton on purpose.

      2. JB64 says:

        +1 Those saying Hamilton could/should have given Rosberg more room are fantasists with no idea of actual driving/racing.

    24. Lorcan says:

      I agree. Plus nico would not have to make a point if Lewis didn’t chop him up in Bahrain and then hold him up in Hungary and then push him off on the last lap at turn 3 in Hungary .

      1. aveli says:

        funny how hey were so close and yet didn’t touch in bahrain eh?

      2. ApexPredator says:

        For starters, even Nico himself, from his own lips, has said that Hamiltons action in Hungary was clean. He even went so far as to say the person he was most angry with was himself for not being able to complete the move. Rosbergs anger stems at this point from the fact that Hamilton has made it clear to everyone that he WILL NOT accept a team order while he’s still in the fight, be it the WDC or the GP in itself. He was still in the fight in Hungary, and knew full well if he let Rosberg past (and keep in mind at no point during THAT battle was Nico really close enough that he was well and truly being held up, as Hamilton had said tell Nico to speed up, and I’ll let him through) then Rosberg would indeed chase him down after his last stop as he nearly did anyway. And what stuck in Nicos craw even more was the fact that even on fresher, faster tyres, he STILL couldn’t get passed Hamilton on shagged out primary tyres. Again, this is what lit the fuse of realization in Rosberg that Hamilton was the faster (I say faster, notice, not better) driver.
        Then look again at rosbergs attack on Vettel in Spa. He was driving like a madman. He had the red mist going. He was going to catch Daniel no matter what (and with another lap he likely would have, though again, I don’t honestly think Rosberg would have gotten round Ricciardo. I’d love to see Hamilton and Dan duke it out in equal machinery or on a track where the Mercs power would be limited to make it fair). Rosberg in my opinion is on the brink of panic mode. Had Hamilton been in that race toward the end and Rosberg still behind him, I think we may have seen an even more brazen move by Rosberg. As it stands now, he will likely pull back some now that he has a comfortable lead again. But if he suffers a DNF and Hamilton wins in the next few races, I think we will see a side of Nico that I’m not sure even HE is aware of. Scroll down a bit and read my post on Nicos mindset and the chip on HIS shoulder vs Lewis’

    25. MrNed says:

      “Nico didn’t do it on purpose but he could have avoided it.”
      If he could have avoided it but chose not to, then he chose to have the crash. In other words he crashed on purpose.

      “Lewis too could have avoided the accident.”
      Lewis was in front and at no point did Nico get more than a front wheel alongside Lewis’ car. There was no onus on Lewis to avoid the accident because he was the lead car, and no reason for him to suspect that his teammate would choose to allow an accident to happen when there was no genuine overtaking move going on. Finally, as shown in Sky F1′s analysis, Nico turned in to Lewis in the middle of the bend, thus causing the accident – hard to see how Lewis could have avoided such an accident.

      1. aveli says:

        if he could have avoided it and didn’t avoid it then he did it on purpose.

    26. Pkara says:

      Simply rubbish !!
      He forced the issue & now hes squirming his way out of his own manure.
      Cant believe your falling for Golden Balls devious comments.
      He parked his car in Monaco he shunts Lewis on Sunday. Few seasons ago in Bahrain he forced firstly Alonso off the track then Lewis.
      He hates when he cant pass Lewis then runs into him.
      Utter piffle [mod]

      1. Peter says:

        Beckham was called Golden Balls by his wife because of the way he turned his reputation around after the 1998 world cup (where he ruined Englands chances by being sent off)

        Are you trying to compliment Rosberg by calling him Golden Balls

      2. Nick says:

        “…Few seasons ago in Bahrain he forced firstly Alonso off the track then Lewis…”

        Utter nonsense!

        In both of those cases neither Alonso nor Hamilton were alongside Rosberg BEFORE they left the track. In both cases Rosberg moved to the line BEFORE Hamilton and Alonso. The fact that they continued the move and attempted the pass was their problem.

        In fact, after a comment on the incident from Charlie Whoring after the race it was thought Hamilton would receive a penalty for making a pass off the track.

    27. Andy says:

      In a way it was refreshing to hear Wolff and Lauda expressing their real thoughts rather than the usual PR stuff.
      I don’t believe Rosberg did it on purpose, and I doubt that he said he did either – what would he ever have to gain by saying as such?
      Mercedes won’t be happy about the publicity from this, and you can see them struggling to keep a lid on things for the rest of the season.
      I agree that Hamilton should have come back slower, he probably would have been able to gain something out of the race.

    28. dimi says:

      I fully agree. Bad crisis management from the Merc “heads” and still, noone seemed to mentioned that. Everyone just blamed bad Nico. Drivers are pushing to the limit all the time.

    29. David in Sydney says:

      I thought Wolf and Lauda were pretty restrained. Imagine what they’re facing from M-B senior management. They want a WCC, WDC, 1-2. Preferably with a German in the #1 spot. Lauda and Wolf want fair F1 racing – but boys will be boys and they are realising that they’re too close to one another to work with the plan.

    30. Chris Judge says:

      You make some interesting points. I too was a bit surprised that both Lauda and Wolff came out so quickly to heavily criticise Rosberg to the media. Whether their views were right or wrong, I would have thought it would be better to discuss the situation as a team in private. As it is they have somewhat painted themselves into a corner – which could prove problematic with respect to future team press statements on the matter.
      I also thought that the speed Lewis was driving after the puncture seemed a tad too fast, given the damage a delaminating tyre can cause – but that was just my initial impression from watching the television feed.
      I do believe that Nico is more to blame than Lewis for this incident but what is crystal clear is that the trust between the two drivers is now gone – probably for ever.
      How the team reacts to this will be of great interest.

    31. TBP says:

      It’s a similar situation to Webber and Vettel in Turkey. There will always be two sides to the story and there will be supporters for both. Right or wrong this drama keeps us on the edge of our seats and eager for the next race. I can’t wait for the next race and to see how things play out. Can you imagine how they would both feel if Ricciardo sneaks in and wins the championship at the last race. Keep the show rolling.

      1. BMG says:

        And they have found a solution to their lack power on the longer straights. This will be causing the Mercedes even more headaches.

      2. Doug says:

        I think the public wanted to see a great sporting specticle and were cheated by Nico’s over ambitous move. The many fans showed this by boo’ing Nico on the podium as they boo’d Vettel after he behaved in an unsportsman-like way last year in Turkey.
        Eddie and the pundits may not like this fan reaction…but how else do the fans show their negative emotions?…they cheer when they are happy after all.

    32. BW says:

      /Nico didn’t do it on purpose but he could have avoided it. Lewis too could have avoided the accident./


    33. Dave says:

      I agree with Rob. Surely these things should be discussed internally before you say anything to the media. And surely the drivers should be explicitly instructed to not discuss anything said in the confines of a team meeting to the media. It’s public relations 101.

      I wonder how much differently this would have been handled if Ross Brawn was still in charge.

      The driver relationship seems to have broken down irrevocably. Lewis has been needling Rosberg all season calling into question his nationality and other things. I think that he is too quick to take to the media to air the teams dirty laundry.

      It will be pretty hilarious if Ricciardo comes from nowhere to win the championship from both of them. It’s not inconceivable if they have more comings together during the rest of the season that he could catch up and win due to double points in the last race.

      It seems to me that Merc management has already lost control of their drivers, and having this co-boss relationship of Lauda and Wolff also just adds to the confusion, especially given Lauda’s propensity to make outrageous statements before he has any facts.

      Was Lauda’s interference why Brawn left?

      1. ApexPredator says:

        Listen guys and girls, I spend the majority of my day doing two things: asking people questions, and reading their faces when they answer those questions. To be honest, usually what comes out of their mouths when they answer those questions I rarely pay much mind to. There are a million little “tells” on a persons face when they’re talking that tell you what they REALLY think, that they’re lying, telling the truth etc. For example if you ask someone a question and they lie, they’re going to generally look to the left. Or up and to the left. If they’re telling the truth, the opposite direction. Why? It mostly has to do with which side of the brain they’re accessing the information from. If they’re lying, they’re fabricating or creating their answer, truth, they’re accessing recollection.
        So I watch these interviews with a bit of a different eye than many people. And when I watch Nicos interviews from Spa, and Hungary, i see a few different things when he is asked about what transpired with Lewis in both the team orders and this incident.
        First of all, immediately behind his eyes is rage. In both instances. There is a darkness there that he cannot hide. I said on this very message board after Hungary that there was also another look on his face and that was realization. Until Hungary, Nico felt pretty confident that coupled with the seemingly insurmountable points lead he had held, and the fact that he thought Lewis was killing himself in qually, and the reliability issues he’d had, Nico felt pretty confident he would be able to hold his lead. Sure Lewis would make up some ground here and there. But then, he realized that Lewis wasn’t going to roll over when the team requested he do so. And worse still, he realized that in a straight up, fair battle, he didn’t have the sand to beat Lewis. So he spent his summer break fuming. Fast foreward to spa. Nico gains pole, and to my mind, only because once again it was weather affected, and yet again Lewis had car trouble. Nico felt confident that as the pole sitter, if he got off first he, as had happened every time nearly that Lewis has started second, he would stay in front even through strategy because of Mercs “First guy out, first guy in” pit policy and general lack of running split strategy (why would they? Their car is that much better) Lewis spoiled that by getting the jump on Nico and Nico knew if he let Lewis stay in front, he was done. Second place and Lewis would gain ground and the points lead would be shaved even further still with many races yet to go. Nico is not stupid, he knows the likelihood of him finishing the season out without another mechanical or DNF are slim. And he knows he cannot beat lewis, especially on THAT track straight up. So he needs to attempt to get round him ASAP. No matter the cost. If he waits another lap, he might not even see a chance because Lewis will be defending the DRS right away. Closing off any lines at passable corners. There would be no better opportunity than Le Combs. None. So he stuffs it in there. What’s to lose? At worst he wrecks them both, and the points lead is the same. At best, he catches lewis napping and gets around him. I don’t think he expected or tried to cut Lewis’ tyre. But it happened. And it was the actual best thing that could have happened. It was small enough to pass off as a racing incident, and did enough damage to at least cause lewis to pit and have to make another miraculous charge through the field. If he could.

        At the end of the race, when they booed him on the stand, the look in his eyes was hurt, and confusion. He didn’t insert an how they could hate him. He’s so clean and good and never has a bad thing to say about anyone. But the fact is, people are smarter than he thinks. Especially F1 people. And the fact is that everyone, brittish or not, knew that move was at very least, boneheaded. And at worst, calculated and deliberate. Not cutting the tyre. But the contact. In post race interviews there was that same look of rage behind his eyes. And when questioned, he looks to the left. He even turns his head left some. There is a curl to his lip, and a narrowing of his eyes that give away his true feelings.
        Of corse he wants to move on. The less this is talked about, the less likely it is that there will be action. Frankly, I think there is no action that is satisfactory. You can’t take points away. But what needs to happen is that there needs to be law laid down. Contact between the two will not be tolerated. Even then, what could they do to either of them? They won’t pull either driver. It’s not a winnable situation for Lewis. And he knows that. Which is why in my opinion he has taken to the media. He wants everyone to know what is going on. And we should. Cause he will get no satisfaction from Merc as ther is none to be had.

      2. James Allen says:

        Interesting view, thanks

      3. Tickety-boo says:

        @ ApexPredator – superbly written post and, from my perspective, bang on the money.
        I struggle a little with the outburst from TW and NL though. It was clear from the televised pics that both, and a Mercedes exec, were waiting to speak with LH as he got out of the car – no doubt to offer counsel having predicted the media storm that was brewing; I actually thought that Lewis dod a reasonable job on the Beeb from the pen afterwards (given his record). How then did they not get their act together as professional managers and ‘manage’ the communication to the media when asked – shockingly poor on their part (forget the entertainment value) and for the Mercedes brand.
        On the other hand, they had no access to Nico, no team representative to quietly brief because of not having finished 1st, and this is where my issue with Eddie Jordan comes in. I took some flak from a post on the other thread for my view on Jordan’s performance, but he had the golden opportunity to ask Nico some direct and pointed questions during that interview and he ballsed-up in a somewhat predictable manner.
        Mercedes management, it’s apparent lack of man-management experience of two highly paid young men, have really brought this upon themselves aided and abetted in my view by their ‘structure’. Who is going to address the drivers and define the rules – the ‘non’-exec laudable Lauda, the commercial head Wolf, the racing head(less) Lowe….. who? Paddy came on the radio and asked them both to behave in Bahrain “Lewis, this is Paddy……Nico, this is Paddy….” That was understandable and both responded, but Hungary was the turning point – for Lewis’ race engineer to ‘pass on’ a request/instruction/order showed incredible weakness in management which handed Lewis the opportunity to respond…..(paraphrasing) “when he gets close enough to overtake he can”.
        Nico has been clearly alarmed that starting form the back of the grid on more than one occasion in the same equipment, Lewis can drive his way up to the podium but yet Nico struggles to pass mid-fielders. He intended for something to happen, I have no doubt and as Apex mentions, if they both went out then the point differential remains the same, but he came out tops in this instance and I doubt that he cares if it means he lifts the trophy but Mercedes will be concerned about a tarnished championship and what it says about their brand. As regards Lewis and his taking private company discussions in to the media realm (as with sharing data from Button when at MCL), whatever the/his basis for it, that’s a sacking offence in any corporation and he needs to be reprimanded in a fairly significant way.
        I’d be happy to see Mercedes win the constructors championship having produced such an outstanding car this year, but I’d be ecstatic to see DR take the drivers crown (I’m not a RedBull fan either), now that would be good on so many fronts.

      4. aveli says:

        why internally? we want to know the truth so they should tell us the truth and no pr rubbish. why do you think the media is allowed so close to the action. if you don’t want the truth then don’t pay attention to it.

      5. Lohani says:

        Apropos to ApexPredator’s body language analysis.

        Rebuttle 1:

        The left and right sides of the brain have nothing to do with which side the head moves when someone is supposedly lying or telling the truth. Using the words usually and generally to claim that lie is left and truth is right is, well, a generalization.

        Social sciences (like economics, psychology, sociology) are, at best, approximations to understanding the real human. Cult social science and make-believe fields like body language study, verbal tone and language analysis, semiotics are fields of philosophy, not science. Their efficacy in explaining something, or whether the explanation is believed, has a lot to do with the mental conditioning of people things are explained to. As far as logic, thorough analysis, and absolute truth go, cult social science is metropolitan mythology, nothing more.

        The human cannot be expressed by an equation through hard science, nor interpreted by social science in its entirety. The reason it works sometimes – and one may even find a body language specialist to hire – is because people have already been conditioned to follow it. Health, fitness, lifestyle magazines perpetuate the idea. Services that claim to give you the best advice on how to dress for a job interview or a date; what body language to propagate, etc., do the same thing – set an agenda by re-presenting reality, rather than presenting truth.

        Rebuttle 2:

        Even if body language is used to asses someone’s mindsets, predispositions and motivations, any arguments made about body language shouldn’t be limited to just head and eye movements. What of changing skin tones, micro facial gestures, overall facial expressions, hand movements, chest, abdomen and hip positions, head’s vertical positions, leg movements, body-weight shifts, overall body postures, body orientations (left or right), etc?

        Furthermore, if the use of just eyes and head movements are interpreted, why pick one guy and make arguments. Pick both guys and compare and contrast. The aforementioned preconditions are necessary to make unbiased and respectable arguments to support a claim. I’m afraid what I read is simply a personal view based on one’s personal experience. Calling it professional experience doesn’t add weight to the claim. There is no such thing as body language science, just as there is no such thing as science of dreams. Someone may be tempted to recall Freud’s Interpretation of Dreams to say there’s a science behind dreams. I’m afraid not. It’s a good read (the book), but it’s not science.

        It is qualitative/quantitative speculation based on limited number of variables studied and analyzed through rules and methods invented by the person, himself; but one whose intellectual strengths render the material thought provoking and interesting to read. But, it’s not science, but infotainment.

        Rebuttle 3:

        On to the language of persuasion now. Imagine a tooth brush commercial where a guy wearing a white robe says this tooth brush is good for you using dental terms, etc. The idea behind all commercials is to persuade one to do something. There are many techniques. One technique is to bring an “expert” on to the scene to make a claim. This technique is used everywhere – experts brought on NEWS channels to interpret an event, advertising of goods and services using a car mechanic, dentist, spiritual healer, etc. The idea is to make something look believable by using authoritative backing.

        Same thing with the body language claim made on the grounds of professional experience. It’s a good read at the end, but one that cannot be taken seriously. Interestingly, James Allen finds it an interesting read. I’m not saying he believes it. He may just have found it interesting to read. However, just seeing James respond to that neutrally tends to give more credence to the material. Why? James is quite an expert as far as F1 journalists go. So, without intention, some form of agenda setting has happened here. People may be tempted to read the body language claim as true. I’m here to debunk it. :)

    34. Gazza says:

      So now you blame Lauda and Wolff for the situation.!! Funny everybody was lauding them for allowing the two drivers to race.
      Lets be clear… Nico was told in no uncertain terms to avoid contact with his team mate…….and it sounds like he chose to blatantly leave his car in a position to allow contact to happen.
      Even Massa has stated that he thinks Rosberg should have had a penalty for causing the accident and he’s hardly got any reason to be sympathetic towards Hamilton.

      Nico is far from the calm calculating individual some are trying to portray him has…..he is still smarting from Bahrain……and he,s carrying that baggage into every race……his overtaking prowess is getting worse….not better.

      No wonder he doesn’t want to talk about it in public.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ gazza…i just can’t let that fly past without making a comment. ‘nico was told in no uncertain terms to avoid contact with his team mate’. firstly, how do you know this to be a fact? secondly, why was that warning, if it was given, made to nico and not hamilton?

        this minor fracas was quite simply a ‘racing incident, as ruled by the stewards yet the media et al are blowing it up into a major contoversy. i can only presume that the level of outrage that has been expressed is in direct proportion to the natiionality of the protagonists.

        as for the public statements made by hamilton post race, i would consider them to be a vain attempt to enlist the sympathy of the public and therfore bolster his standing within the team. whilst the entire episode could have been handled better the fact that hamilton was not sanctioned for running rosberg off in hungary would weigh on any competitors mind. ye shall reap what you sow…or something like that.

        i just hope that it continues unabated and full on for the rest of the season. we will not only see who has the largest ‘cojones’ but we may see someone sneak in burgle all the goodies hahaha.

      2. ApexPredator says:

        Agreed. I think Lewis, whether on purpose or not, is more in Nicos head than the other way round. And worse I think Nico is in his OWN head. Everyone wants to talk about the chip lewis seems to have on his shoulder. But let’s talk about the chip that is on Nicos.
        This was supposed to be HIS team. He sat behind Schui and waited for him to retire thinking okay, I will do my due diligence and he will retire and I will be the #1 driver. And what happens? They bring in another world champion. Another furiously quick driver with amazing raw skill. And suddenly it’s not Nicos team anymore. He’s second fiddle again. The press is all over Hamilton asking if he is crazy to leave McMerc for MerAMG. Nico has to sit and watch the rest of the team cater to Lewis. 2013 goes by, Lewis finishes ahead in points, podiums, front row starts, out qualified rosberg etc etc. The seed sprouted. This just might not be Nicos team anymore. The chip gets bigger. Couple all of this with the realization by Rosberg that he won’t beat Hamilton in a fair fight and the chip gets bigger and heavier. The anger and frustration and resentment grow. Here is Nico, sat and did his time in a sh!t car and didn’t complain or buck ever. Sat behind while everyone wanted to talk to the great Michael Schumacher. He did his work. He worked for the team. He’s the team guy. And now, he’s got his shot, maybe his only shot, at a championship and he will be damned if he’s going to let someone take it from him while he’s able to stop em.

        THAT my friends, is where Nico Rosbegs head is at. The same place any one of ours might be at in a similar situation. Is it right? Nope. Is it natural? Yep.
        But I will tell you what is likely to happen. Rosberg will finish 3rd in the DWC. Behind Hamilton and Ricciardo.

      3. erik says:

        Yeeah, Massa is fine example judging situations, not! Massa never had cuts to stand by himself, so when Rosberg works Hamilton it is never ever on Massas league.

      4. Basil says:

        I’m with Kenneth on this one.

    35. Alastair Isherwood says:

      I couldn’t agree more Rob. Red Bull will be rubbing their hands together as the deficiencies you highlight point to a rudderless ship. Mercedes need to get control of their drivers or else they risk stealing defeat from the jaws of victory. Even the executive seem completely reactionary in their posturing, surely they planned for this day knowing that eventually there would be a touch??

    36. Rossco says:

      Avoided the accident by Lewis taking his own racing line/ It was the racing line and Lewis had the inside line. Did you actually see the incident Rob?

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ rossco…. i have looked at this long and hard and feel as though there should be an oath taken by all drivers at the beginning of the season, based loosley on the’ hippocratic’ oath taken by medical doctors. the F1 oath, to be known as the ‘hypocritic’ oath, would simply state, ‘firstly do no harm unless you look like being beaten’.

        that should be mandatory for all drivers…..

      2. Antonio says:

        just because he had the right to the racing line, doesn’t mean he should take it with disregard, and that he should not exercise some caution (a title contender needs to be careful, this is not new and many drivers not fighting the title usually use this to their advantage in fights)… if he moves a bit to the right, he lives to see another day… yes, this is the consequence to Nico always yielding when being pushed… it turns into a bit of a “lets see who blinks first” because one automatically won’t back down (i don’t think hamilton ever backs down, he’s a fighter, a racer, and it’s not in him to “back out” of it, or even be non agressive)… and usually doesn’t end well… nothing new here…

      3. Pkara says:

        Well sais Rossco.
        Likes of Kenneth Chapman who will see what they want to as they are always negative re: Lewis & can pontificate all they want.
        Falseberg rammed Lewis.,you must be blind not to see it. Johnny Herbert,Anthony Davidson showed clearly on replays Golden Balls turned onto Lewis
        Kenneth Chapman is veiwing it from a pinhole as usual.
        Comical regarding a oath…hypocratic :-D
        These are F1 drivers not medical staff.

    37. W Head says:

      Totally agree, Mercedes should come down hard on Hamilton for those public comments like they did Rosberg for the incident, in fairness and that. I actually forgot that sneaky leak about Button’s set up, just goes to show Hamilton is a spoilt sport when he doesn’t get his way.

    38. Craig says:

      Maybe Mercedes could have handled the situation better but I thank them for letting their drivers actually race each other on the track. The racing and the psychological battle between team-mates has made this 2014 season raw and memorable.

      The alternative could have been team orders, as per during the Schumacher/Barrichello era at Ferrari, which was unsporting and which, as fans, we had to endure for far too many years.

      1. Rockman says:

        2014 F1 will be remembered as “The race between the primadonna hare and the shady tortoise”.

    39. chris burns says:

      Totally disagree. I applaud Mercedes for being so honest. I don’t think that Rosberg did it on purpose, but after watching the incident several times, to me it is clear that Rosberg f****d up. I’m no Lewis fan, but he was ahead and took the normal racing line. Your argument is like saying that if someone crashed into the back of you, it’s your fault for being there. You’re entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

      1. Antonio says:

        not your fault, but sometimes its ok to exercise caution you know…
        say, like, when the driver behind dive bombs on you into a hairpin.
        he will no make it braking so late, most likely.
        two options:
        1. your turn in anyhow, most likely he crashes into you…
        2. you open up, give him the corner, “most likely” see him sailing past into the runoff, and continue on…

        this is just a more subdued version of that… you can not give and inch, you can give an inch and you can give a mile… give then consequences, sometimes its better to give a mile…
        especially because there was no straight after, no real penalty for a slower exit to the corner (that hamilton would have by giving space, but rosberg would also have a very slow exit cause he screwed the hole bit…)

        and don’t forget, luck (in a general meaning) is, whether we like it or not, an important part of life. and sometimes you can influence your own luck (case in point, for both of them, and no way roberg could have known HAM would puncture for sure…), cometimes no so much (example: engine fire in hungary… absolutely no way to avoid it, even if he wanted to, he can’t go check all of the car before going out ;)).

        Sometimes its fully in your hands, sometimes completely out of it… as usually, it’s the middle that’s the tough part ;)

    40. Formula Zero says:

      Well said. “clumsy” is the perfect word for what happened. But the Mercedes bosses were more clumsy with their own actions. We all think that they are very good at their PR stuff. Having heard the way Niki, Lewis & Totto reacted, it seems they are rather poor in handling media, team & the drivers. It is a clear proof of mismanagement since the departure of Ross Brawn. This car is Ross Brawn’s project anyway. Ross did it the same way in Ferrari. Mercedes is benefiting from somebody else’s hard vision. Now it shows how poor they have been handling the situation.

      On the other hand, Lewis is getting himself a great reputation for being a one man show. What I mean is, no good driver will ever want to be his team mate anymore I reckon. First Alonso, now Rosberg. He might manage to kick the German driver out of the German team somehow too. Lewis will win the championship if he pairs up with JEV or Sutil kind of drivers, not Alonso, Rosberg, Vettel, Ricciardo kind of drivers. Lewis’s comments in press makes Mercs look silly. Rosberg’s mistakes cost Lewis valuable points no doubt. But they are still mistakes no matter how Hamilton try to paint it differently.

      All in all, I am sad as an Australian that we barely talked about Ricciardo since the race. I understand Lewis vs Nico story is very spicy JA. But the driver of the day (in fact driver of the season so far) is Daniel Ricciardo hands down. I hope he gets a bit more attention that he deserves in all the F1 websites & here. He already gets paid 1/30th of Vettel’s pay (Ricciardo $1.1m vs Vettel $31m per season), his driving should be commended a bit more. I would like to see an article or an interview or a story JA about Ricciardo. Something along the line of “Ricciardo as a driver in a nutshell” & how he stacks up to all the big name drama queens in modern F1 in his short career in a top team.

      1. alexander supertramp says:

        Do you actually believe Lewis is losing this championship because of his own inability to beat Nico? Perhaps on saturday, but definitely not on sunday, Lewis has had the measure of Nico in practically every race. I advise you to watch the races with a bit more application.

    41. Marv says:

      First of all my opinion is it was a racing incident.

      Second, I agree with Rob. The way Wolff and Lauda handled the situation is baffling. Wolff’s disappointment about it happening in the 2nd lap is even more absurd: if they hit each other at the last lap will he be okay with it?

      Third, much respect to Brits who are objective enough to view the matter as a racing incident brought about by carelessness and overwhelming competitiveness, and that should the situation be the other way around they would have preferred Hamilton to be as aggressive.

      Nico tried but messed up. Same thing as Michael Jordan attempting a game winning shot and missing.

      1. JB64 says:

        You mean a game winning shot at the start of the game that takes out the opposing team’s star player, right?

    42. Gregg says:

      Rod, you are correct it is shambolic. RBR must be laughing their heads off as Merc will imploded if this keeps going on much longer (guarantee the media keep it going) and will hand more victories to Daniel.

    43. Doug says:

      The reason he was so keen to end his race was that his aero was so badly affected that he couldn’t keep up with a Sauber, so even if a safety car happened and the field was bunched up he couldn’t have cut through it as he would have done with an undamaged car.
      He’s also one engine behind his team-mate so needs to preserve engine life…so in light of Spa being one of the toughest circuits on engines, his call to come in and retire makes perfect sense.

    44. Wilhelmet says:

      I fully agree. Yes, Rosberg was more in the wrong than Hamilton, but this was the definition of a racing incident. Rosberg should have backed out, but also, Hamilton should have been a bit more generous with the line he took. Yes, he is in front, and is entitled to whatever line he chooses, but his defence against Rosberg in numerous races this year (Bahrain and Hungary spring to mind, especially) has been overly aggressive, and to be honest, I can understand Rosberg wanting to ‘not back away’ for once. Of course he didn’t hit Hamilton on purpose….that’s nonsense. Even Brundle made it abundantly clear….if you’re aim is to puncture someones rear tyre with your front wing (?!), then 9 times out of 10, it is you and you alone who will suffer the damage.

      But yes, Mercedes have handled this woefully. Lauda and Wolff making such ‘emotive’ comments right after the race is highly unprofessional, they should know better. And Lewis openly discussing a private team meeting in the media?? In my mind, that outstrips anything Rosberg did in the race (which was clearly an accident). Lewis has form, in this regard, having tweeted sensitive information at McLaren. He has to be less emotional, as he has a tendency to do/say irrational things when under pressure. And while you could say the same about Rosberg with regards to the accident, there is a fundamental difference between errors of judgment made in fractions of a second, and errors of judgement made in the hours following a private team meeting.

      And to finish, as a brit, I’m frankly ashamed of much of the reporting on this ‘incident’, some of it on this website, but mainly on Sky, BBC and websites like F1 Fanatic. The level of bias being openly shown is frankly embarrassing.

      1. Wilhelmet says:

        I forgot to mention, it also galls how rich it sounds for people to be nailing Rosberg to the wall for such a minor racing incident, one which Hamilton (and others!) commit countless times this season……The German Grand Prix springs to mind, specifically. Hamilton was a battering ram in that race, bits of bodywork flying all over the shop! But when he does it, it’s just his ‘Fighting Spirit’. Seriously nauseating, and hypocritical.

      2. Mike A says:

        Agree 100%

      3. Mike A says:

        To 153, Wilhelmet

      4. Mike A says:

        Why do the numbers keep changing?!! Tis comment was to Wilhelmet, when he was at no. 153

      5. finster says:

        Wondered the same myself. I just commented but my comment is number 158 And in the article it says there are over 300 posts. Could be the difference is time zones? Any help here James?

      6. James Allen says:

        Replies to posts swell the total number

      7. Random 79 says:

        These days some of the comments seem to be in a constant state of flux.

      8. Andrew says:

        totally agree with your unbiased comment. Lewis is always looking to drive Nico off the road, well done Wilhemet your logic astounds me.

      9. Mike A says:

        There is nowhere where he says that LH was or is trying to drive NR off the road, or did I miss that bit somewhere?

      10. Bello says:

        It is because Lewis isn’t the one who continued to go for the move just to prove a point, Nico admitted that this is the reason he didn’t back off, I believe Toto has confirmed this. He chose to carry on regardless of the outcome.

        It may have started off as a genuine attempt at on overtake, I don’t believe he came up with some evil plan but it didn’t remain as just racing, he turned into some kind lesson which ended Lewis’ race, not a genuine mistake.

      11. Bello says:

        Sorry this reply was for Wilhelmet.

      12. Dave says:

        +1000 Wilhelmet

        Many of the British pundits(not all), and British fans(again…not all of them) say Hamilton is a real racer etc etc ad nauseum, yet when he does crash into other people, they praise him for having the bravery to try it at all. When other drivers do it, they get called crash kids and other less than complimentary things.

        This is not an attack on British fans or media, as many of them are very balanced in their views, but the TV commentary grates many non-Brits with their pro-Lewis all the time stance. Portraying his teammates as helpless muppets who by all reasons except their own talent are managing to beat him.

      13. dren says:

        This was a forced overtake attempt gone awry by a teammember. A very highly compensated driver at that. Rosberg should be nailed to a wall. It’s different when you are out of the points and have to make numerous passes to claw your way back into the field like Hamilton did the last two races. When you and your teammate are 1-2 on the second lap of the race, you don’t take the risk.

        Also, if Rosberg was massively quicker than Hamilton, like he stated he was, he should have waited to pass at a better part of the circuit.

      14. Anthony says:

        I don’t think you can credibly claim that minor bumps with Stutil and Raikkonen and some wing damage in a minor collision with Button equate to Nico’s actions at Spa. In all cases Hamilton was in legitimate overtake positions and nobody had their day ruined by his actions.

        Button was initially annoyed about their collision but later tweeted “after watching the race back think I overreacted with my feelings about Lewis’s move. I can understand why he thought I was giving him room”

        Nico ruined spa for himself, Hamilton, Massa, Mercedes, and Williams (and placed everyone else at risk from the debris) all for the sake of an overtake that never had a chance of succeeding. It appears to have been pure pique at getting dragged off the line.

    45. mad mcadder says:

      Its very strange how drivers like Fernado can over take safely but Nico looks like he’s still Karting. My respect for Nico is fading fast this year. Perhaps he is getting Senna tendency’s! Its looking more like Senna / Prost every race. Its very sad people have to win at any cost these days.

    46. Manny Pereira says:

      there were many retirements that day , teams calling it quits before the race was completed you jackass.

  2. PM says:

    Regardless of who is at fault, I really admire the way Rosberg handles himself in the media. Both in this instance and the one in Monaco. Very mature and considerate. Lewis may have the speed, but Rosberg has great class in that respect.

    1. expatpom says:

      Maybe PM, but Nico is paid to drive a car not give interviews all the time. Maybe that’s why he is good with the media – makes up for his questionable driving ability. Ever heard of the term “spin”? You put any one of a dozen drivers in that car and they would drive it just as well if not better. he is lucky that he is there. As to your remark about class in the media, I agree Lewis still has to be more intelligent in that role but we fans want to see them both drive (fairly) not charm us with words (that may have been even written for them anyway)!

    2. superdad says:

      If only Roseberg drove as well as he talks. Very mature and considerate does not describe his driving, class and respect are earned by actions not by words. We wait with baited breath for the next installment, Monaco, Spa, what is the next point he wants to make?

      What is with the FIA, Ferrari got away with one on the starting grid.

      Isn’t there a rule about avoidable contact

      1. mad mcadder says:

        Agreed. He has never been a great over taker. ;-)

  3. mitchw says:

    Could Nico be arguing that after HAM first moved right to block on the straight, that his move left approaching the turn was improper?

    btw James, that was great commentary during the race. Rivetting

  4. Gaz Boy says:

    Just imagine you were the TP of Mercedes F1. Your two cars have locked out the front row of the grid and have a meaty lap time advantage over the rest of the pack. Under normal and sensible (key word) conditions you would expect an easy stroll around the pleasant surroundings of the Ardennes and for your two cars to complete a grand slam – i.e 1-2 formation.
    And then the faeces hits the fan……………….or Rosberg Jnr hits Lewis more like.
    Whatever your opinion on who was right or wrong, the incontrovertible fact remains that an easy 1-2 was squandered. Not to mention the loss of constructors points, and the loss of whatever admittingly fragile peace there was between the two drivers.
    Come on, lets all be adult and grown up about this. A silly moment of incompetence spoiled what could of been an enthralling duel between the two Mercedes drivers. Not only did Merc F1 loose out, so did us TV (and trackside) spectators too.
    I still have a feeling that Merc F1 is missing the stern disciplinarian that is Ross the Boss………….fact is, what should have been a resounding victory has been squandered.
    Merc F1 are very fortunate that are so far ahead in the constructors title. Imagine if they were in a close fought WCC battle; what happened yesterday would potentially have been their constructors crown in jeopardy.
    Draw your own conclusions.

    1. Gaz Boy says:

      PS On an off topic but happier note, well done to Lewis, Danny Boy, Adrian and Christian, Claire Williams and the BBC team of DC, Suzi, McNishy and Eddie for braving the Ice Bucket Challenge.
      There’s footage of Danny Boy smiling even after he’s been giving a good freezing cold soaking, so perhaps his Spa win was karma for braving it out with the Ice Bucket!

      1. build says:

        I nominate James Allen ;-)
        If he hasn’t already done it.

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      @ gaz boy….regret being a PITA but don’t you ever weary of this repetetive promotion of brawn ad nauseum?

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        No – Eddie Jordan’s point about a lack of a stern, disciplined leader at Merc F1 is legitimate, and in this instance, very pertinent.

      2. Phil R says:

        +1…Danny Boy and McNishy?!

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        @ gaz boy….edddy jordan spouts absolute rubbish.

    3. eric morman says:

      here is my conclusion,
      the Merc cars have a feature which is not on other cars and Nico knows how it could work to his advantage,

      its the section which sticks out on the end plate of his front wing, like a knife to open an opponents sidewall,


      1. Phil R says:

        That looks like a pretty blunt knife to me, but your photo has made me realise one of the flaw’s in the rules. They state that the end plates have to be rounded off and a certain width to prevent punctures, I think it came in around 1997, but looking at that photo there is nothing to stop all of the inner pieces being as sharp as they want. The middle 2 fences in particular look very potent.

  5. Mr wilks says:

    All this “tit for tat” is getting tiresome.bottom line is nico made a clumsy attempt at a pass, Lewis came off worse through no fault of his own .been a fan of Lewis for years but he needs to stop whinging about being 29 points behind . 7 races to go with 200 points on the table , all you need to do is win races , simple .

    1. alexander supertramp says:

      You’re right, Lewis can still turn this around, but it’s been a very challenging year for him and I can imagine it’s all taking his toll. Best and only way to make himself feel better is to race his heart out in Monza, and I’m sure he will.

  6. Sebee says:

    Makes your blood boil, right? He is so good. You want characters in F1, Nico is a great one. A clean cut friendly guy who’s ruthless and calculated. You try to get your grip on him, but somehow he manages to get away. Fantastic. Say what you want, Champion DNA through and through. Knows his strengths and addresses his weaknesses. Meanwhile, I honestly don’t think you can say the same about Lewis. His weaknesses repeatedly surface.

    Ron, you have an opening and you know it. This is where his emotions will get you your Lewis back in a Honda next year. You know Honda will pay for his exit at Mercedes.

    On a more serious note, how are the JAonF1 servers holding up?

    1. Sebee says:

      That episode of the Nico blog is very Dexter like. Killer stuff!

      1. Sebee says:

        What was the name of the boat you were on Nico? Slice of F1 Life?

      2. Random 79 says:

        Lol – Although he could rename it Slice of Lewis ;)

      3. C63 says:

        What was the name of the boat you were on Nico?…..

        If Nico was on a boat when he filmed that blog then it was in an odd place – there were rocks clearly visible beside his right shoulder and the water was lapping on the shoreline. Mind you if he was the pilot of the boat that wouldn’t be a surprise – he probably thought there was space to get by!

      4. Sebee says:

        Random, you NEVER let me down! Fantastic. How lame of me not to have spotted that first. I’ve got nothing to come back with at Slice of Lewis.

    2. LT says:

      Meanwhile Vettel continues to complain about his car, whilst Dan continues to show him how its done in the SAME car.

      1. Antonio says:


        you do know vettel couldn’t run on friday due to problems, right?

        or you follow races only and take it from there?

    3. PB says:

      “Champion DNA”..

      A champion should know how to make clean, breathtaking overtakes…perhaps someone can remind me when was the last time we saw one such move from Rosberg…

      1. Nick says:

        Perhaps Nico has been learning from Crash , bang , wallop Hamilton.

    4. Basil says:

      Love your comments this year, top stuff.

  7. Andrew says:

    What can I say, except what a very savvy guy Nico is. When emotions are high Nico plays Mr cool . It’s like someone causing a bust up and ends up walking away with a halo above his head saying it wasn’t me

  8. aveli says:

    shame on you james, why can you not quote hamilton like you quote rosberg? hamilton didn’t say rosberg said he did it on purpose. just like hamilton refused to slow down for rosberg to pass in hungary, you claimed hamilton refused to follow team orders. I’d rather you stick with the truth. when two people give opposing account of the same incident, normally the most detailed account is the accepted account. in my view hamilton has not held anything back and has given it all while rosberg has not given any detail so he is not telling the truth. he parked his car in monaco with intent and cut hamilton’s car with intent and said he could have avoided it but chose not to because he wanted to prove a point. he said this with confidence, which suggest to me that he is confident there is little mercedes could do to him or that he has the support of the highest office, ecclestone.
    is this not he same rosberg you guys billed as more intelligent than hamilton?

    1. James Allen says:

      Read yesterday’s Hamilton quotes

      It’s clear enough what he said

      1. aveli says:

        i read and commented on yesterday’s james. You wrote a new story and failed to tell the truth. this is how it is told elsewhere.

      2. Rockman says:

        I can’t believe you actually replied to this James.

        I usually fly past and ignore Aveli’s comments when I see his name.

      3. aveli says:

        @rockman, today is certainly a special day for you as you couldn’t resisting acting on what you read.

      4. kenneth chapman says:

        @ rockman…funny you say that as i tend to do the same but then my inquisitive nature gets the best of me and i have to go back and read it….although i know what it’s going to be!!!

    2. Pat M says:

      “We just had a meeting about it and he basically said he did it on purpose,” said Hamilton. “He said he could have avoided it, but he didn’t want to. He basically said, ‘I did it to prove a point.’ “

      Direct quote from Lewis

    3. Mike A says:

      The most detailed account is the accepted account??

      You really are a gullible creature. Just give you a ten page load of rubbish and you would believe that over one line of truth.

      Oh well it takes all sorts.

    4. Antonio says:

      “when two people give opposing account of the same incident, normally the most detailed account is the accepted account.”

      i fail to understand why! since when details equate to the truth?

      YOU may think like that, most people most likely not, those making important decisions will NOT decide based upon “most detailed is the accepted version”… now that would be a fairy tale for story tellers ;)

      1. aveli says:

        why do you think wolf and lauda public ally expressed their anger at rosberg? lauda said he hadn’t changed his view after their meeting with rosberg. is that because lauda is not intelligent enough to understand racing?
        as far as am concerned hamilton has told the truth and rosberg has felt uncomfortable about telling the truth so he said nothing just like bill clinton.
        back to my point. the truth normally contain full detail and the i thrush often has gaps in it. simple to spot.

      2. aveli says:

        look at the video footage, rosberg turns violently to the right perfectly in time to cut hamilton’s tyre and after the contact he turns left to keep his car on track. they were approaching a left hand bend.
        rosberg incident was in the same position with other cars and failed to hit them but nailed his teammate. vettel was in exactly the same position with hamilton and went off track instead of cutting hamilton’s tyre.
        don’t be fooled by all the talk of reading the rules and the stewards not taking action against the blade runner. i wish him luck.

    5. Thomas says:

      100% correct.

  9. Matthew M says:

    Looks like we’re gonna get another F1 world champion who has no value for sportsmanship.

    It would be awesome to see a competitive fight like we had with Schumacher and Hakkinen. We were lucky DC was around those years. As when MS done something unsportsmanly DC would always give MS a taste of his own medicine. Hockenhiem 2000 + france 2000.

    Lewis needs a rear gunner to takeout rosberg and teach him a thing or 2 about sportsmanship.

    F1 fans are intelligent people and for every incident in which Rosberg has with Hamilton it does his future no favours. People are going to see rigth through the innocent eyes of A driver who is going out of his way destroy the racing spectacle so he can be world champion.

    I wonder how long it will be before we start hearing people Boo’ing Rosberg.

    1. Sebee says:

      I swear you guys, it’s like you think they give these WDC thingies away in a bubble gum machine. I like players who play hard. I don’t like Robben, because mostly he levels teams I’m cheering for, but man what a ruthless player and excellent at his craft. 100% I respect him and wish he wore a different jersey.

      There is whole bunch of fast guys on the grid. Few are champion material. And I see your dig at Vettel. You still don’t understand what it takes to win 4 in a row, do you?

      1. Matthew M says:

        Rosberg is replicating what Vettel aswell other successful drivers from the past have done. Actually maybe the Vettel comment was unfair. I was thinking of his collisions with Webber, Raikkonen, Alonso etc. when i wrote it. Forgot there was more behind his unpopularity than the collisions/crashes. lol.

        Robben is awesome. The only thing I dont like about Robben is he dives occasionally. When i saw him in his early carreer i was a huge fan. I was also a massive fan of Zidane always tuned into highlights of his club/international appearances. Both players did get away with falling in the box with no body contact and claiming a penalty though. I would boo them for that lol. Gattuso, Gerrard is my favourite player atm even though he’s made some shockingly bad tackles in his time (2 footed aimed straight at opposing players knee those types of tackles end careers). To be honest i havent watched many games with Robben in recent times outside the World Cup.

        I always feel sick when i see crashes in F1. Its the same in Football when you see a player get taken out of play by injury.

    2. aveli says:

      hamilton doesn’t need any of that he only wins by being faster with luck, politics and all the other elements against him.

      1. Matthew M says:

        youre right about that.

        But as a fan I’d like to see some more balance given out when incidents like the Hamilton/Rosberg collision.

    3. DH says:

      “Lewis needs a rear gunner to takeout rosberg and teach him a thing or 2 about sportsmanship.”
      Way to go Mathew M. That would be a real sportsmanship gesture! What a ridiculous comment!!

      1. Matthew M says:

        LOL i was thinking the same thing before i clicked the post button

  10. Zaros says:

    The team said Rosberg was unwilling to back out and didn’t avoid the accident, not that it could have been avoided if Rosberg was better.

  11. goferet says:

    To be fair, it’s easy for Rosberg to take the higher road by keeping things internal considering he extended his championship lead.

    But for somebody like Lewis that got a knock on the head, it’s not so easy to keep cool.

    Regards, the overtake, I think Rosberg was right to go for the move because the fans don’t like it when drivers wait for the DRS.

    Having said that, what annoyed the team is Rosberg didn’t take avoiding action once it became clear the move wouldn’t work.

    But has always been said, the great thing about the Mercedes teammates is whatever issues they have, at the end of the day, they sit down and sort it out like we saw after Monaco.

    All in all, the season is shaping out to be a hit as we have a human drama with different personalities for stories that have characters that have polar opposite personalities always make for good reading.

  12. Jeff says:

    All incidents aside, surely Mercedes has handlers for the drivers. I do not understand how Hamilton, time and time again, continues to make exaggerated and half-truthful statements. If I were Mercedes I would be pulling him into a room and giving him a very stern talking. It sounds like Wolff is about to that point with his comment, “Well if Lewis has said that it’s going to be a slap on the wrist, and that there’s going to be no consequence, then he’s not aware of what consequences we can implement.” My opinion is that this comment was as much for Lewis as it was for Nico.

    And how can Lewis’ comments do anything to help the team, regardless of Nico’s actions? All it takes is one bad egg to ruin a bunch, and it looks like Hamilton with all of his wining and mouthing off is doing more harm than good. He need to take the energy he puts into his paranoid delusion and put that constructively into the team and his on-track performance.

    1. aveli says:

      all the mercedes management sided with hamilton in hungary and belgium because hamilton was right. if the fia refuse to do their job there is no other higher office hamilton can complain to but the media.

      1. Mike A says:

        Are you employed by any chance as LH’s PR guy?

      2. aveli says:

        @mike a, am i that good?

      3. Thomas says:

        This is also correct, the FIA seem to be turning a blind eye to deception.

    2. Philips says:

      “Well if Lewis has said that it’s going to be a slap on the wrist, and that there’s going to be no consequence, then he’s not aware of what consequences we can implement.” Agreed that this comment was as much for Lewis as it was for Nico. In Lewis head, he think that he can get away like in Hungary there was no consequence for him despite disobey Team instructions 3x. Mercedes needs to show who is boss.

  13. aveli says:

    a felfie video, was he scared of the question? did hamilton do a selfie or braved it out wih the media? as far as i’m concerned hamilton fairly earned each one of the points has has while rosberg resorted to dodgy acts is criminal nature to earn them. i wonder if he will pay a huge amount of money to prevent being thrown out of f1.

  14. Once again Nico shows greater maturity and intelligence by not fanning the flames in public. What Mercedes will not tolerate in the long run is Hamilton running to the media with his interpretation of what are supposed to discussions behind closed doors.

    As a German team they are also likely to be unimpressed with their British driver stoking up some pretty nasty anti-German sentiment. Many of his fans are resorting to disgusting Nazi insults, they should be ashamed of themselves and Hamilton should disown them.

    1. seenitallbefore says:

      Mercedes are also unlikely to be pleased by Rosberg’s reaction on the BBC after-race interview, where he roundly (and wrongly) blamed all the booing on British fans.

      That was pretty nasty of Rosberg: blaming fans and a nation when he had no idea if it was true or not.

      Why are Mercedes ultimately in F1? To sell cars. How will Rosberg automatically blaming the British help them sell cars?

      For many reasons, the Mercedes marketing department will be shaking their heads over this. Whilst FOM and Bernie will be smiling broadly …

      1. aveli says:

        and they still say he is intelligent and mature. he has been found out and he simply wants to shift the blame elsewhere the dirty dirty dirty little ….

    2. alexander supertramp says:

      well, who has more to lose by the media outburst? I would think the guy who just ruined his own competitor’s challenge and walked away with 18 points for it. He would be the biggest fool for stirring the pot.

    3. Thomas says:

      You mean Nico refused to own up?

  15. aveli says:

    a selfie video, was he scared of the question? did hamilton do a selfie or braved it out wih the media? as far as i’m concerned hamilton fairly earned each one of the points has has while rosberg resorted to dodgy acts is criminal nature to earn them. i wonder if he will pay a huge amount of money to prevent being thrown out of f1.

  16. daworstplaya says:

    Of course he doesn’t see anything wrong. Duh?!?! Just fyi, it wasn’t only British fans booing him but fans in general.

    1. Sebee says:

      They booed Vettel too, how did that work out? Last I checked he has a 4 piece sequential numbered beer mug set for this year’s October fest.

      1. Thompson says:

        He also has a media and sporting public ridiculing him everytime he gets OWNED by a teammate who’s car is not breaking down on him virtually every race.

        Considering his achievement – those sequential no.s seem to mean very little.

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      any evidence to support your claim?

      1. Greg (Aus) says:

        I was there, it wasn’t just the Poms booing him. Even the German fans looked uncomfortable about it and he wasn’t cheered by anyone (they were cheering just fine for Vettel).

        I think a lot of the reaction was because the fans felt deprived of what they expected to be an epic race long battle by an entirely avoidable incident so early in the race. We didn’t know at the time that we would still be in store for a thrilling finish!

        You should also remember, the fans at the track saw it once and then once on replay. We didn’t get 800 replays and expert frame by frame analysis to settle on an opinion.

        I think people are being a bit too precious about the crowd reaction.

        Eddie Jordan was a bit disingenuous too – instead of asking Nico about his attempt to chase down Dan, he only asked him about the incident – which he knew would get the crowd going – and then had the gall to chastise them for it.

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @ greg…thanks for that info. better perspective now.

  17. Doug SA says:

    Funny how Rosberg wants to “move on” from this when he has been bottling up issues since Monaco like an envious jealous child. Seriously!!

    1. Thomas says:

      Nico is finished, even if he wins the championship – nobody will respect him.

  18. goferet says:

    Had he waited another lap, with DRS he would more likely have pulled off a clean pass.

    Am not too sure.

    Rosberg isn’t too confident when it comes to overtaking for we wasn’t able to overtake a slower Vettel to make his strategy work.

    1. Thomas says:

      Yes, correct, any fool can drive fast.

  19. Richard says:

    Well I think there is a very disturbing aspect to Rosberg’s character that I’ve noticed time and time again.- There is never any apologia towards Lewis and seems as though he finds it difficult to mention him at all. Beyond that I noticed when Hamilton was having his consecutive wins Rosberg was getting very disturbed about it in the interviews he gave. Then came Monaco which will always be clouded in controversy and while he was given the benefit of the doubt by the team, Hamilton was convinced he pulled that stunt on purpose to gain an advantage. On the Thursday before the Spa weekend Rosberg had openly said to Wolff and Lowe that he was still very angry about what happened in Hungary, and clearly still simmering on it. Come race day in Spa he pulls another very dubious stunt that he could have easily avoided, and is adamant he did no wrong. I wonder if he has any concept of right and wrong, and again no apologia to Lewis for wrecking his race. He seems to have no concept of racing ettiquette just whatever he does must be right. I think he is a very dangerous driver to have on circuit currently, and clearly needs anger councilling. I think Hamilton is absolutely right not to trust him because he is untrustworthy. He needs a short sharp shock delivered to him so he can sort himself out.

    1. Mark says:

      Are you sure this “Rosberg was very angry” comment wasn’t made by Hamilton…….I cant clearly recall but I don’t think anyone else said this…..if so is it even true?

      1. aveli says:

        if what hamilton said is not true why doesn’t rosberg sue? i believe everything hamilton said and they are inline with the video footage i watched.

      2. Richard says:

        In essense Hamilton told it exactly as it was said, but of course it is open to be interpreted differently. There is no doubt that Rosberg is to blame, but beyond that he kept his foot in when there was no manoeuvre on. If that is not deliberate I don’t know what is. He should be suspended.

  20. Doug SA says:

    “not enough was done by the drivers to avoid that collision in the first place” Sorry James but that was the sole responsibility of 1 man….Nico. I mean what on earth could Lewis have done to contribute to avoinding that accident??? Please help me here.

    1. Nick says:

      He could have left more room, whether he was required to or not. You asked what Hamilton could have done and there it is. Pretty simple, leave more room.

      1. Doug SA says:

        What and disadvantage himself by taking himself off the racing line???? Very clever!

      2. Thompson says:


        Rosberg would still have hit him. The damage to his wing & the angle of his steering wheel……

        The intention was there.

        Watch the footage.

    2. Antonio says:

      6 inches to the right…

      1. Doug SA says:

        And move off the racing line, just because the blue eyed cretin thinks if he has his wing alongside a leading car it gives him rights to be left space……Check the rules it doesnt. The man should have just yielded, end off. Those ARE the rules not what you want to make as you go along to support your driver who incidentally has such atrocious racecraft…..witness the pigs ears of a move he tried to pull on Vettel and horribly flat spotted his tyres, or if you not satisfied with that, how he failed to overtake a much slower Torro Rosso last race till he was saved by his engineer’s “BOX BOX BOX” He’s simply embarrassing to be honest LOL!! No racecraft no skill, just talk talk talk!

  21. goggomobil says:

    Mercedes will not win WDC and construction championship is at risk unless they do one and only thing,that is one be it Hamilton or Rosberg dropt and replace him with the reserve/test driver
    There is to much enimosity to continue as a team mates.
    With all the probability it will be Hamilton that gets a carrot because he is not a Fatherland grown.
    “Hami” Dennis is waiting ,you have always been his price.
    Be smart ,there is no future where you are now.

  22. jmv says:

    Lewis has lost his edge in many areas (compared to 2007). He could use a mental coach (like his dad)

    Nico may be 1% less talented, but is mentally far more hungrier to beat his team mate.
    Hunger translates into focus + determination = success

    1. jmv says:

      Just watched Nico’s video. His confidence is like a big middle finger to Lewis.

      Time for Lewis to stop moaning and focus on his racing (which includes qualifying) if he wants to win this WDC…cause your team mate ain’t gonna give it to you.

  23. Zack says:

    I think it’s too late in this saga for Rosberg to say that he doesn’t want to comment. Rightly or wrongly Hamilton gave his version of events of that meeting, and Wolff confirmed that Rosberg said he was trying to ‘make a point’. At the very least Rosberg needs to clarify what he meant by that – I expect the level of abuse he is receiving in social media (and maybe in future races as with the booing in Spa) will continue to escalate until we really know what he said.

    1. Voodoopunk says:

      “I expect the level of abuse he is receiving in social media (and maybe in future races as with the booing in Spa) will continue to escalate until we really know what he said.”

      …only because 99% of Hamilton fans are juvenile

  24. Anil Parmar says:

    ‘I prefer to keep it internal’.

    Good. The last thing Merc need is another person speaking their mind in public and making it 10x worse, like Lewis and Lauda do.

    Meanwhile, Ross Brawn continues his fishing….

  25. AlexD says:

    I will tell you one thing….. Rosberg is making it all work for himself, somehow. Do first and then apologize. Hamilton might saywhathe wants and might be the one with the truth on his side, but rosberg is exceeding points lead and this is the only thing that matters. There is no truth in F1, there are those who win and those who lose.

    1. aveli says:

      it doesn’t matter how many points you accumulate what matters is did you accumulate them fairly? ask schumacher.

      1. Spinodontosaurus says:

        I think Schumacher did pretty well for himself with those 7 World Titles, don’t you?

  26. Rohind says:


    Totally unfair to call it as a part of ‘ Rosberg’s grand scheme ‘ to keep Hamilton on edge.
    Poor choice of words!!! I think it was the other way round with Lewis politicizing the issue, playing the victim and trying to get the team to back him

    Hamilton could have let go the Monaco incident. Instead he called it deliberate and tried to play victim.Hamilton was unnecessarily piling on more pressure on himself after Monaco. Had technical issues for some quali sessions and for other quali sessions, choked himself even though he was the faster driver in practice sessions. This had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH NICO who did a consistent job in quali

    1. Thomas says:

      F1 paddock in agreement that Rosberg parked the car in Monaco. Source: Ted Kravitz.

  27. Stephanie Isherwood says:

    Rob I totally agree with everything you’ve said – well put. I think its a real shame that this whole incident has taken over from what was a great race.

  28. Dan says:

    Very surprised and disappointed to read an experienced F1 journalist complaining about drivers speaking out. And I can’t believe Rosberg is being applauded for ducking questions over his behaviour. If he was a football player, his “I can’t comment yet because I haven’t seen it” would have brought instant and prolonged ridicule. The fact that he hasn’t even apologised is disgraceful. He cheated the fans of a meaningful contest on Sunday. I really hope Ricciardo can nick it this year. Serves Mercedes right.

    1. Vinola says:

      Well said. Transparency and integrity is alien to the sports. The journalists are tainted because of their dependency; I mean, have you seen any serious reviews of Bernie’s colossal let-off by any of the so called experienced f1 journalists?. Mind boggling.

      1. Chris Partridge says:

        Joe Saward

    2. aveli says:

      very well placed. hamilton will not resort to dirty tactics and will only tell the truth.

      1. Mike A says:

        Like he did at Mclaren a few years ago!!

      2. Nick says:

        Yes, cause telling the truth is the only thing Hamilton does, just ask the stewards from the 2009 Australian GP.

    3. Random 79 says:

      There’s a difference between speaking out – which I agree should be encouraged – and airing what was said in a private team meeting.

      I’ve said that Rosberg hasn’t done himself any favours, but the truth is that Hamilton (as angry as he was) could have conducted himself a little better, so at the end of the day he hasn’t done himself any favours either.

      Bad situation for both of them.

    4. Thomas says:

      Problem is, nobody likes a cheat!

  29. Marc says:

    If you are crossing a one-way street, choose to only look the one way, and then get hit by an idiot driving the wrong way…does it matter whose fault it is? Well, you can call that driver an idiot and everyone knows he was wrong, but you still have two broken legs.

    Lewis should have given Nico half a meter. He definitely saw him on the outside in the braking zone…to say “the corner should have been mine” but have a wrecked car achieves absolutely nothing.

    I’m a Lewis fan by the way. You could clearly see the potential for that contact happening well ahead of time. Nico made his point and I guarantee you Lewis will be thinking more about it next time they are in a similar situation. Good psychological battle, although it’s one Lewis is losing!

    1. Kiwi Mark says:

      Finally someone else sees it clearly!!!

      Rightly or wrongly, Lewis SHOULD think twice about barging through every corner as if he alone has sole passage…other cars be damned seems to me to be his philosophy.

      The next thing will be Lewis tries to pass in his usual “aggressive” manner and Nico wont get out the way like he has so many times this year and there will be another collision…

      But the more races down the less chance for Hamilton to regain points…..

      This is why Hamilton needs to start driving and making space for people, it is all his to lose at this point.

      I tend to favour Hamilton but lately all the whining and lack of at least SOME or any portion of blame leaves me more neutral…I am just happy to finally have a season with a good old fashion bit of needle in it.

      Great stuff.

      Much as I like Ricciardo (fellow ANZAC) I will be gutted if Red Bull win ANOTHER championship!!!

      So to Lewis and Nico ….sort you CRAP out! :)

    2. Random 79 says:

      I’m not sure I totally agree with your conclusions, but I do like your metaphor :)

    3. erik says:

      Lewis has had many situations like Rosberg had sunday and paid the price but he never seems to learn from it, so it hardly will change his approach. Lewis have had much more misjudged overtaking maneuvers than anybody else, even more than Maldonado, so when he cries it`s just sad.

      It is sad that those guys are wasting one of the most supreme curs in sports history. I would love to see Vettel and Ricciardo in this car.

      1. Antonio says:

        me too! great idea :)

        anyone knows anything about redbull’s new ERS system?

    4. Antonio says:

      thank you :)
      very well put !

  30. Mark says:

    Nico lost any respect I had for him by not owning up and not apologising. Not making any comments to Sky in the pen before he got to see the incident on TV was his usual tactic to avoid the hard questions.

    He’s doing the same on his video blog now – not making any comments on the meeting. All very convenient.

    Hamilton’s ‘heart-on-the-sleeve’ reactions often do him no favours. But I’ll take that any day over the conniving Rosberg.

    1. aveli says:

      i wonder why his dad doesn’t speak to the media about this story and the one from monaco.

  31. Gazza says:

    What powder is he keeping dry.???

    He hasn’t got a leg to stand on, I have not heard from one pundit who thinks it was less than a clumsy mistake from a driver with Rosberg’s experience who should know better.

    The only point Rosberg has proved is that he can’t race wheel to wheel with Hamilton, put the boot on the other foot…… when Rosberg squeezed Hamilton into the first corner in Canada Lewis backed off and attacked later in the race as any of the top drivers would have done.

    I hear all the stuff about Nico getting into Lewis’s head and yet it seems to me the other way round…..why else would he need to “prove a point”.

    Far from being calculating he has just been plain lucky that both his errors at Monaco & Spa have cost Hamilton points.

    Still……at least us Hamilton fans stick by him through thick and thin…..the Vettel fans seem to have disappeared without a trace……or turned into Rosberg fans. :)

    1. Vettel Fan says:

      or gracious enough to say, Seb is struggling no doubt…….

    2. C63 says:

      the Vettel fans seem to have disappeared without a trace……or turned into Rosberg fans

      How true!

      1. TimW says:

        C63, Tealeaf has turned up again, but he doesn’t want to talk about seb anymore…

  32. aveli says:

    it can’t be that difficult for anyone to draw a conclusion on this. simply look at the transcript of the mercedes meeting on thursday where rosberg expressed his resentment and anger over the hungarian race, the transcript from their meeting soon after the race where rosberg said he wanted to prove a point and footage of the incident. i find it very difficult to understand how anyone can attempt to prove a point by not making deliberate acts.

  33. Jock Ulah says:

    JA-on-F1 – Agony Uncle to the stars . . .
    Can he resolve the brat-spat before season close?

    Watch this space with baited [sic] breath . . .

  34. David Ryan says:

    It looks like Mercedes has taken a leaf from the Red Bull book of driver management unfortunately – it’s almost a carbon copy of the Turkey 2010 incident. Two drivers fighting for the title, battling for the lead, misjudged move puts one driver out and knocks the other out of the lead, letting another potential title rival take the win instead. Team then slags off one driver to the media, before backtracking on previous comments. Drivers have polar opposite views of what happened, and friction ratchets up accordingly. Considering how media-savvy everyone is (supposedly) these days, history does rather repeat itself.

    As for Lewis and Nico’s respective views on the incident, I think that’s about as much of a surprise as bears doing their business in the woods frankly. Lewis, being a talented driver but one with a bit of a chip on his shoulder at times, will claim conspiracy in light of the impact it had on his race and his title challenge; Nico, wanting to avoid sanction by team or governing body, will seek to stress no malice. How it plays out for the rest of the season will come down to how well both drivers can put this behind them and focus on the 200 points still up for grabs – and also how well Mercedes can put their foot down and set out some ground rules. The last thing the team or its drivers need is someone like Ricciardo snatching a dead-cert title from them because they keep hitting each other.

    1. Thomas says:

      Specsavers might be a good idea.

  35. Gudien says:

    The thought has occurred to me as well and I have come to believe, as in James’ second to last paragraph, that this is all part of Nico’s strategy to “keep Hamilton on edge”.

    Entertaining for sure. And the best part is that it is up to Niki Lauda to sort it all out! LOL

    1. Formula Zero says:

      Yes Niki to the rescue. Hah ha ha…
      Here is my thought, they will collide again!!!!! So, we are going to have another few months of “Hamilton’s bringing his dirty laundry out in public”; “Rosberg not saying much”; “Paddy Lowe doing nothing” & “Niki Lauda to sort it all out” situation. Hah ha ha, people love controversy more than the sport itself!!

    2. Gazza says:

      Not sure I agree with James assessment of Nico as a “calculating individual” in his public statements, more like his silence is an admission of guilt.
      He looked extremely uncomfortable in his post race interview, and now you have other drivers like Massa ( hardly biased ) saying Rosberg should have got a penalty.
      Rosberg still hasn’t got over Bahrain and feels he has to prove he can mix it in wheel to wheel combat, on the evidence of this and the last race he,s actually got worse since then.

  36. Pseu Donymous says:

    Deliberate or not, Nico hanging around like that (off line, to the left rear of a car that was only ever going to turn left) was only going to have one outcome. It was either deliberate, or clumsy. Frankly, neither option is appealing to a driver, so it probably is best if Nico keeps his own counsel.

  37. Super Si says:

    I don’t think rosberg is in the position to be saying that they should just move on. It doesn’t give Lewis his 25 points which he was robbed of, and yet nico increases his championship lead.
    Nico would no doubt want to move on and forget that it happened. It doesn’t justify what he keeps doing though.
    Penalty is needed to stop him doing it and set an example.

  38. devilsadvocate says:

    “Rosberg, a more calculating individual, has preferred to keep his powder dry in terms of public statements, but the big picture of the Spa saga is that it is all part of his strategy to keep Hamilton on edge.”

    Said perfectly, Rosberg most surely knows that Hamilton is lights out quick but has a very fragile psyche. Referrence teh meltdown 2011 as the best example of that to date. Nico has been at this since race one of the season and it appears to be paying off in the championship standings. What he needs to be careful of is pushing Hamilton so hard that he goes into rage mode a la 2007 vs Fernando. That could backfire on him big time.

    No one is arguing Nico is the faster racer, but he is certainly better at playing the game. No contest.

    1. Formula Zero says:

      Yes brain vs brawn game happening here. I think the situation is worse than 07 already. At that time Lewis didn’t have many wins or any championship to his name. Now that he does, he seems to think he deserves it more than everyone that ever raced any kind of race! Whenever there is a team mate clash, there is Lewis Hamilton. Ironic! Maybe he wants Mercs to have only one car on the grid, Hamilton all by himself.

    2. Thomas says:

      Nico has no technical ability.

    3. Thomas says:

      Any fool can drive fast!

  39. SHAMIL Maharaj says:

    I can’t help feeling that the tensions that exist in the Mercedes team at the moment would not have existed under a Ross Brawn regime.

    1. Formula Zero says:

      I think everyone in the world thinks that my friend. It would be nice to hear Ross’s view regardless.

  40. amin says:

    U don’t know what u talking about I suggest u to go and watch the race again . Nico he’s clumsy driver .

  41. Vasileios says:

    Roseberg is trying to prove himself and everyone else this year that he is a good match for Hamilton,now that both of them drive the same car. He also wants to be a champion this year because he knows that this year the he drives it is a winning car. In order to achieve this he will do everything on track and outside of it to accomplish that.
    On the other hand, Hamilton wants to prove that he is still better than him and everyone else. But seeing Rosberg in front of him in the championship makes him mad and of course he is more frustrated than ever. Rosberg seems that has everything under control (not avoiding the contact) and the way he tried to put his car in the corner reveals that he has less to lose compared to Hamilton. Hamilton can not afford losing points by hitting other cars.
    In conclusion i would say that Rosberg is more focused mentally right now and he is in a better position to take the championship.
    Just to remind you though,it has not been a long since Hamilton used to hit Massa’s Ferrari…..

  42. Quercus says:

    You say, “Nico didn’t do it on purpose…”.

    We can’t know that. He certainly put his car into the space where Lewis was about to close the door and afterwards said he wanted to ‘make a point’. Toto Wolff has confirmed that. So I’m having great difficulty seeing how that could be not ‘on purpose’ and just be clumsy. It looked like heat-of-the-moment frustration to me.

    1. Quercus says:

      Sorry, this was a response to Rob Newman @1.

  43. Trebor says:

    Slightly off topic but,
    If drivers need to resort to mind games to win WDC, then F1 has lost this 77 year old supporter, I always understood it was the fastest driver in the fastest car that won, not the one who played the best mind game.
    I think the WDC has got too important, I can’t remember Mike Hawthorn or Peter Collins worrying about the WDC, it was about getting the car to the finish and first if possible, mind you the BRM was not too reliable to get 20 or 30 laps was an achievement , the Vanwall did better.
    The 4 week Summer break is not good for the modern F1 where the WDC is the main thing for the F1 media crowd and the younger fans! can you imagine at half-time at the Wembly cup final the crowd is told to come back in 4 weeks and see the second half, I think there might be a few objections!!.

    1. Random 79 says:

      Bad example – Does the Wembly cup final take place over the best part of a year while travelling all over the world?

      These guys need to have a break somewhere along the line.

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      @ trebor…at long last! a poster that is older than me. very well done trebor. we share many memories.

    3. Antonio says:

      plenty of examples throughout the years of NOT the fastest driver/car winning the title… the best racer, maybe, not necessarily the faster…
      also, luck does play a part… and sometimes a big one :)

      you must have seen some fabulous races, even if there would be less TV coverage back then :)

      1. Sebee says:

        May I please ask for those plenty of examples to be listed?

        And how do you define the best racer? I think one of the components that make a good racer is that he gets in his opponent’s head and manages to intimidate. How did it feel when Schumi pulled up on your tail? Already the driver was cussing in his helmet when he peaked at the mirror.

        Sometimes it reads like you guys want F1 to be black and white. It isn’t. It’s gray all the way. They are supposed to battle out there, and battle we want with bruises and all!

  44. linda says:

    At the end of the day, what happened was a racing incident. I would argue that neither driver was fully at fault. Nico could’ve lifted, or Lewis could’ve yielded slightly and given a bit more space in order to prevent a collision. The only alternative really is team orders, and we all know what the fans think about that.

    1. Antonio says:

      well said, short and to the point, and you cover everything in it!
      well done. :)

  45. Fareed says:

    The present discussions on failing F1 audience all highlight the need for drivers to be more accessible to the public. Aside from if you are a Lewis fan, or what your opinion is of what Nico did on track- I think you can feel sorry for him getting booed on the Spa podium and his facial reaction showed he took it very personally.
    And now his teammate is going public with internal discussions to try and turn public opinion against him even more.
    Nico has for the last few seasons been one of the most accessible drivers of them all on social media. He actually does his own videos and blogs rather relying on a team “mouthpiece” to do his work (how many of the drivers on Twitter etc do you think actually review and respond personally and how many have a team spokesperson do it all for them).
    I think it would be a real shame if the end result of all this is that Nico decides to become less publicly visible

  46. dazzle says:

    Well rehearsed statement, serene location, nico can act…

    1. Formula Zero says:

      Better than being a cry baby or bringing your dirty laundry out in public or constant moaner or list is too long to fit here

  47. PeterF says:

    Before the weekend ROS said of the Hungarian race “I learned various things from that race which I will adapt for the future.”
    What did learn? HAM does not listen to the team, so why should he? His response was what happened on lap 2 in Spa. His point was made to the team: if HAM can race for himself then so can I.

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      well said and that was my interpretation too.

    2. TimW says:

      What he should have learned from Hungary is if you want Lewis to move over, you need to be a lot closer than 1.5 seconds. What he needs to learn from Spa is blundering into your team mate is a bad thing to do. Nico messed up big time in Belgium and has to recognise that, from everything he has said since it appears he still thinks he has done nothing wrong.

    3. Thompson says:

      I think he learned from the pit lane Hamilton got in front of him and even manage to get a pitstop in front of him by lap 56/57 & could have won the race If not for poor strategy by the team.

      Oh, and he could not keep up on faster tyres…. Hamilton said if he can catch me, he can pass – Im not slowing down for him.

      Oh, and even on worn hard tyres Hamilton beat him to the podium….

      Yep with that seed planted compounded with the 4 back to back wins and the reduction of a potential 39 points lead to 11 points.

      With these circumstances placed out on the table, video footage, team bosses speaking out…..

      I wouldn’t want to comment about my actions to the press/fans ether.

  48. Rob Wilkin says:

    The fact that both Wolff and Lauda were speaking emotionally to the media on Sunday points to an organizational issue. If Wolff is truly the team principle then it should be understood by all within the team that he will do the talking when they under the media siege. The only exception would be if Niki was appointed to the role of media intermediary.

    I have immense respect for both of these individuals particularly Niki who I remember fonrly particularly for his terrific driving @ Mosport in 1974. However I think these two need to seriously work out who’s in charge in a way that everyone in the team understands. Both Nico and Lewis needed to understand that they had do absolutely everything possible to avoid entanglements–i.e. if you crash together in the early stages of race then you are both responsible and will both be punished equally. If this approach works for Roger Penske when he’s running 3 drivers at Indianapolis then it surely can work for Mercedes.

    I hope they work it out soon.

  49. Richard cummins says:

    Almost unbelievable statements from Nico and Toto. Toto should have acted straight away but has instead allowed Nico to exercise some controll of the situation. This is a clear cut case of naive management in the extreme. I read today that the media are saying LH could leave the team following lack of support. To be honest who would blame him. Paddy is as always saying nothing. Yet he is in charge of making sure the cars finish in first and second!!?? He has not managed to get LH ,s car to finish! I think someone from Mercedes HQ should now take controll as plainly Toto and Paddy are incapable of doing so!

  50. Richard says:

    Yes Rosberg prefers not to comment publically because he can’t defend the indefensible, and I expect it suits his “strategy” to keep things under wraps. We have yet to learn if the team will discipline Rosberg, somehow I doubt it, although he certainly deserves it.

    1. Nick says:

      If I remember correctly, at the last race at Hungary where he was wronged by Hamilton who disobeyed a direct team order, Nico also declined to comment and said they would have to discuss it in private. Don’t make out like Rosberg is only keeping quiet in this case.

      1. Thompson says:


        What could he say?

  51. TimW says:

    So he doesn’t actually say anything other than Lewis is wrong, no effort to clarify his comments in the briefing, no apology to the team for costing them points, or to Lewis for wrecking his race.
    The Lewis bashers are doing their best to blame him for this mess, but it is clear that the whole thing is totally of Rosberg’s doing. Some people have said that Lewis could have left Nico more room, which is true, he could have parked his car at the side of the track and waved Nico by, but obviously he shouldn’t be expected to do that and neither should he be expected to leave room for a driver who barely has his nose alongside. I think this is where the problem arose, it appears Nico thinks he was far enough alongside for Lewis to be required to leave him a car’s width, a look at the replays proves this to be incorrect. This lack of spatial awareness on Nico’s part caused him to think it would then be a 50/50 corner and that he and Lewis would share responsibility for any contact, and if your 11 points in front, then you might as well go for it and see what happens. There isn’t a driver on the grid who would have let Nico by around the outside in that situation, if there was they should be sacked immediately as it was clearly Lewis’s corner and he was entitled to take his line, every expert I have heard talk about this incident says the same thing. The clean passes around the outside later in the race, all happened as a result of the overtaking driver being either all the way passed by the time they reached the braking zone, or at least alongside, Nico was neither.

    1. Nick says:

      And what about the last race where Hamilton cost the team points and wrecked Rosbergs strategy?

      1. TimW says:

        Nick, Rosberg wrecked his own strategy in Hungary through a fundamental lack of pace, a failure to get close enough to Lewis so he wouldn’t have to virtually stop on the main straight to let him by, and a failure to get by Jean Eric Vergne, something Lewis did brilliantly. The Mercedes bosses have since admitted that the order to Lewis shouldn’t have been given.

      2. TimW says:

        I try to be Kenneth, that’s the difference between us, you have a “Lewis is wrong, now what’s the question” approach while I make an effort to look at both sides of the coin. Rosberg has done a good job this season, he has made mistakes and in my opinion has employed some questionable driving tactics, but he has shown some impressive speed and he has dealt with the media better than Lewis. Remember the banned engine map furore earlier in the season? The real Lewis fans had decided that as Rosberg had used it first then it was ok for Lewis to use it. I disagreed and said both drivers were equally in the wrong, you of course came up with a rather convoluted reason why actually Nico was justified in pressing the button and Lewis wasn’t!

      3. James Allen says:

        Pleas don’t get personal, it’s dull for all the other readers – Mod

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      @ tim w…..and again….how did i know you’d say that?

      1. TimW says:

        because it’s true Kenneth, an accusation of bias from you is a bit rich, your hardly the “go to guy” for fair and balanced comments about anything regarding Hamilton.

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @ timW… and by extrapolation you are not the ‘go to guy’ for fair and balanced comments re rosberg?

  52. furstyferret says:

    The big problum with rosberg, regarding hamilton as a team mate, is that hamilton totally owns rosberg when it comes to wheel to wheel combat, wethers its defending or overtaking hamilton has just got that mongrel about him, alonso has it as well, I think thats why rosberg made that move, people allways are critical about him being a race driver, not a racer, so sunday was here have some of this, and it ended badly, the move on vettal just made the point even more, that was just embarrassing for a top driver, were do merc go from here, you just cannot see these two together in the long term, personally hams there best bet( I KNOW IM A HAM FAN) but once he sorts his qually issues out, which he will, hes the better allround driver, rosberg has good one lap pace, and if he gets in front from pole he does the job, but thats all he’s got.

    1. furstyferret says:

      I advise any who can to watch ant davidsons breakdown on sky, you can find links on other forums(sorry james) after watching then all you anti hamilton fans can come on here and apologise, allso to note, jenson and massa, have come out and totally said what a stupid move by rosberg, he had no were to go totally lewis corner..

      1. Nick says:

        I also advise anyone who’s going to watch Ant’s analysis read the regulations before you do. You’ll then realise that even a former F1 driver doesn’t know the rules.

        He states that Rosberg did not have a significant portion of his car alongside Hamilton, when according to the regulations he did.

        From the F1 sporting regs -

        For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

    2. Nick says:

      You’re a Hamilton fan and yet you’re criticizing Rosberg for an embarrassing move by a top driver?

      Clearly you’ve never actually watched Hamilton race over the years. He’s a world champion and has made some of the dumbest, embarrassing and down right stupid moves of any driver on the grid.

      Honestly, if you’re going to have a go at Rosberg for making a stupid move, it would be a good idea if you weren’t an open fan of the guy whose had more at fault accidents than anyone on the grid!

      Not to mention his admirable list of off track brain farts!

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        hahahaha i like that kind of response

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @ nick….your point re the regs appears to have silenced the hamilton supporters as i have not seen any valid responses. obviously you’ve hit a raw nerve. well done.

      3. Thompson says:

        Again – watch the footage.

        Take note of the positioning of both cars. They are both within track limits. Rosbergs car is well within the lines.

        Even when Rosberg initially turns left he is within bounds , when he turns right the lock is held. Not a correction.

        Contact takes place with Rosberg closer to the middle of the road than Hamilton. The rear camera on Hamiltons car clearly shows Rosbergs car turning left then aggressively right shattering the wing.

        Hamilton’s car does not deviate from the racing line. I.e does not weave. Watch the footage.

        The point is Rosberg is seen clearly turning into Hamilton. Hamilton did not run into him and at that point did not appear to attempt to run him off the road – Rosberg turned into him.

        If he outbraked himself and went too deep for a cut back he would recognise this – being a pro an all.

        The act was deliberate. It’s so obvious the regs are redundant.

      4. TimW says:

        The problem with your reading of the regs Nick is it very much refers to a driver trying to overtake in the usual way on the inside, it does not mean that if you get your nose alongside the rear wheel on the outside, that the other guy has to give you room. This is why every expert I have heard talk about this incident holds Nico responsible. I’m still waiting for Kenneth to come up with one who doesn’t…
        P.S I fail to see the relevence of Lewis’s previous errors to Sundays race, Lewis isn’t the only F1 driver in history to never have made a mistake, so what?

  53. Paul Braithwaite says:

    Yet again Nico has shown a very adult and responsible reaction to the event whereas Lewis has been childish and emotional. If I was in Managment at Mercedes I would come down very hard on Lewis for expressing his opinion so publicly and in the end damaging the team. I also think Toto and Niki were ill advised commenting negatively in public before hearing both sides of the story and damaging the team reputation – not smart.
    Keep it all behind closed doors and don’t air your dirty laundry in public !!!

  54. méridabob says:

    Why do we have spinless stewards? Racing incident or not, Rosberg did not have the corner and ruined another driver’s race. Alonso didn’t even lose a place on track yet Kmag was given a very harsh penalty after the race. Why is there no penalty for Rosberg?
    The Mercedes bosses are just blowing hot air, clearly they can’t control their drivers and Rosberg knows it. I wonder what his punishment is within the team for breaking a commitment?

  55. ferggsa says:

    First of all, I do think Nico went too close at the wrong time (he did it later with Vettel also), jeopardizing both Mercedes’ race

    If you have two similar drivers in the same car they will fight each other on track, whether it is Senna-Prost, Vettel-Webber in 2010 or Hulk-Perez for that matter, so Mercedes should not be surprised

    Unless team orders are clear, like in the past 4 RBR years, or Ferrari’s Alonso-Massa, or one driver clearly establishes “seniority” like Schumi – Rubinho, two guys who do quali laps with less than 3/10 difference will be too close when racing on Sunday

    I think Hamilton keeps feeling he is the fastest driver of the two (and he probably is) and therefore Nico should follow him around like Barrichelo did Schumi, so Rosberg had to make it clear he is there racing also and will not hold station behind just because, specially if Ham refuses to follow team orders when not to his liking

    Alonso, the underrated Vettel, Bottas, Ricciardo have proven this year several times that you can fight a clean, fun race, as long as you respect the other drivers and understand they are racing you, not just driving around the track

    Lewis IMHO is looking more like previous year’s Perez, Maldonado, Grosjean (no disrespect to any of them) in his do or die driving up the field, expecting every car to be blue flagged out of the way for him

    Back in 2007 at Macca I disliked Alonso’s attitude towards a rookie Hamilton because he expected to be the boss and have the other driver help him instead of race him, (he was probably right and the team lost the WDC because of it)
    Now things have turned back to Lewis, who sounds to me as sore a looser as Alonso did back then

    1. Vettel Fan says:

      Hamilton is not asking for any special treament but what can one do when your team mate is crashing on you (may be reckless if not on purpose)…

    2. Antonio says:

      its easier to have clean fights if you’re fighting for 5th or 3rd and not in title fight.

      those clean fights i suspect would not be so clean if they were for the win, or between title protagonists…

      too much at stake…

  56. justin says:

    just let us have the transcript of the meeting, that would answer it for everyone.

    Idthere anmy liklihood of ths happening james – can FIA insist on being given the minutes of “that” meeting??

  57. RichB says:

    I was amazed to read comments saying the collision was Hamilton’s fault, he cut across nico. How do they come to that conclusion when every ex-f1 driver, reporter and Mercedes man niki lauda say it was a clumsy error by nico? Not that you need telling because it was painfully obvious.

  58. ejh83 says:

    The best thing to happen this season would Ricciardo to win the WDC. The two Mercedes drivers seem to be more concerned with each bitching at each other and unless they snap out of it, they might finish not being champion.

    1. Random 79 says:


      It’s a long shot, but I will laugh myself silly if he pulls it off :)

    2. Phil says:

      I never thought I’d find myself rooting for Red Bull this season but Ricciardo snatching the title would be spectacular.

  59. Bones says:

    In my view a pure racing incident. Very entertaining reading comments from fans of either driver accusing the other but that is to be expected of course.
    In my opinion this is the best thing that could have happened, because it ads extra spice to an already strained relationship between the two drivers, and that ultimately is the most entertaining thing, a struggle between two different characters, trying to win the ultimate prize (cause who cares about the constructors championship), and the more friction there is between the two of them the more entertaining it is, kind of like Senna and Prost who at one point really hated each others guts but you just couldnt look away beacuse you were always wondering what would happen next.

    1. lepton says:

      Well said.

      As long as Merc gets WCC in the end, they are better off with as few points as possible, isn’t?
      Those points are not free, aren’t they? Drivers have done a favor for the team, actually.

    2. Voodoopunk says:

      “Very entertaining reading comments from fans of either driver accusing the other but that is to be expected of course.”

      Apart from the Hamilton fans are rather shrill and seem to go out of there trying too hard to convince everyone to agree with them.

    3. TimW says:

      Yes, no-one to blame. I’m sure your right and Niki Lauda, Martin Brundle, Toto Wolff, Anthony Davison and all those other “experts” are wrong!

  60. Matthew Clarke says:

    Rosberg is playing his cards close to his chest and rightly so. He doesn’t feel the need to vent things in public in order to justify his feelings and drum up support. In my opinion, it shows he is mentally stronger. His head is in the right place for the championship run in.

    1. Wilhelmet says:

      Interesting point.

    2. TimW says:

      He has nothing to say, there is no defence for what he did.

      1. Matthew Clarke says:

        True, I’m sure he knows, in hingsight, that he went in too hot headed into the move; DRS would have been available the following lap. However, given how Hamilton’s tyre clipped Rosberg’s end plate, I do not think Rosberg intended for a collision let alone puncturing a tyre.

      2. TimW says:

        Matthew, I guess he was worried he wouldnt get another chance, that Lewis would be out of range by the time DRS arrived. I don’t think Rosberg has the talent to place his car that perfectly to just slice Lewis’s tyre with the end plate but I do think he deliberately put his car in harms way. The correct thing to do in that situation is just back right out of it and try again later, Nico chose not to do this, in my opinion he must have known that contact was possible, but he was willing to risk it in order to prove a point to Lewis. I’m sure your right that he knows he did wrong, I just wish he would do the right thing and apologise and let the whole thing blow over.

    3. Thompson says:

      Says nothing then behind closed doors kicks the cat, throws a hammer through the Plasma, stabs the sofa several times with an ice pic……

      Lol…… Ironic or what wanting to move on.

  61. Mistressofspeed says:

    Rosberg “a calculating individual” who prefers to tell the truth in situations that are designed to preserve his good name, conduct and sportsmanship in the eyes of the press and public; and, we are expected to respect his decision to not give all the details and his opinion.

    Well Nico, I want to know what was going on in your head. I’ve given you the time to review the footage as per your wish so why not tell me now!

    The vast majority of F1 commentators hold you in high regard and our opinions are guided by them and moreover a quick review of your driving style in the past clearly shows that you’ve never driven ‘roughly’.

    I think not http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17808396

  62. ApexPredator says:

    Had Lewis gone a bit slower wouldn’t have made a difference to his floor. The floor was thrashed as soon as the tyre came apart. And he would have been a lap down by the time he reached the pits. Lewis could have avoided it, but why should he? He was in front, and Nico had no chance to pass outside there nor did he get his car to a point where Lewis would have been obligated to give him room. I doubt Nico did it on purpose, but it smacks of desperation clearly. He knew that if he let lewis continue in front he would not have ever passed him. Like I said weeks ago after Hungary, Nico now knows he cannot beat lewis head to head. Period. So he felt compelled to attempt an early, very risky pass. And in the end, he still didn’t win. The fact is, even with the best car in the field he’s still probably only the fifth best driver.

    1. TimW says:

      Apex, I too think the criticism from others for the quick lap back to the pits is unfair, as you say getting back with less damage but a lap down would have guaranteed a none points finish, also we have seen this generation of Pirrelli tyres come off the rim in one piece several times in previous races.

  63. Howard P says:

    You have to admit, this drama is way better than the last 3 seasons.

  64. Michael says:

    With the exception of Rosberg, the Mercedes team seems to be suffering from hoof-in-mouth disease. You expect that from Hamilton as he seems to be something of a diva, but Wolff and Lauda should not be criticizing Rosberg in public. It was a racing accident, it happens, move on.

    1. Michael in Sydney says:

      Spot on. They do their hoof-like best to look like prize goats. Back to the media training sessions boys. We all expect better from you. If you’re going to have a high office, have a high standard

      As I have said before, the poor behaviour is damaging your brand – and this is why, at the end of the day, you are actually competing in F1.

  65. Kris says:

    Will be incredible if Nico wins the title this year having not won a race against Hamilton without any form of controversial move or big let off from the stewards. Worst World Champion Ever

    1. Voodoopunk says:

      “Worst World Champion Ever”

      I was under the impression that all you people thought that was Button?

      1. TimW says:

        nah surely Villeneuve!!

  66. G Tagg says:

    Mercedes were a mid – range qualifying team when Lewis joined. His skill and expertise in setting up the car, have brought Mercedes to the forefront of the sport. Rosberg is a leach.. He always wants Lewis’s set-up and his Delta in order to compete. Obviously Mercedes want a German World Champion and a constructors championship. If Lewis had parked his car at Monaco or punctured Rosberg’s tyre he would have had the book thrown at him. Lewis had the racing line yet Rosberg didn’t back off. Yes it is a business, but Rosberg needs discipline and penalised and if the boot was on the other foot he would be just as vocal if not more. Not one person at Spa thought he did a good job because of the booing at the presentation. Rosberg does not win German hearts or world hearts. He is a nasty piece of work and should be reprimanded accordingly. Fine him 2 million Euros

  67. Pkara says:

    Rosberg is squarely in the wrong.
    I do hope he gets shunted off or have car issues in next races.
    As far as I concerned like alot of people Spa he is a cheat.
    If term fits he should wear it. Cheating dubious two faced media savey goldilocks needs a lesson in what not to do on second lap of a race.
    What went on in the meeting & what he says now are so far apart from the actual meeting. Lewis Toto et al know what was said.
    I do hope they either give him a minute pit stop with tyres off. Or a race ban. Just hope Lewis gets some luck his way. [mod]

    1. Pkara says:

      Sorry James :-)
      Before you tell me off
      I shall calm down & chill .
      No need to say it :-) just seething about the whole event.

  68. Michael Powell says:

    There are three viewpoints:

    1 Nico is clear that he was cut across one to many times and needs to assert himself if he is to win the drivers championship

    2 Lewis is clear that he was rammed while in pursuit of the drivers championship

    3 Mercedes want both cars home so they can win the constructors championship.

    Mercedes don’t care which of their drivers is right or wrong, they just want their cars first and second each race weekend. In that circumstance it’s easy to blame the guy behind because if he had stayed behind he would have come in second, and Mercedes would have taken full points. But that’s not what Nico is aiming for, so we have a differing intent.

    Mercedes managers are in danger of having their cheaper driver win the drivers championship. This will lead to a demand for parity with Lewis’s generous pay. It will also get the main board in Stuttgart asking the racing experts why they paid such a lot of money for Lewis when they already had Nico on board.

    They might well win the championship and have lots of egg on their faces. That explains the support for Lewis right now, they need him to win.

  69. Terry says:

    The whole world championship thing is a farce.
    No penalty for taking out ones main title competitor through ones own lack of etiquette ?
    Rosberg may win the 2014 WDC,but the damage to the brand is yet another huge dent in F1′s flagging fortunes,more empty seats & discontinued Sky TV subscriptions to follow.
    I recall when LH couldn’t sneeze without a penalty,& now this.
    No need to fight for position anymore,simply swipe the leading car with your front wing.

    1. Antonio says:

      yes, because wiping your front wing will do a lot of good for your race…
      in THIS incident, ROS turned out to be lucky, and HAM unlucky, but just as easily could have been the other way round… nico without front wing, lewis with no pucture…

      sometimes it really is the luck of the draw… lewis not had a lot of luck this season, same as vettel… but somehow for vettel it seems more “fair” cause he had “luck” the last 4 yrs

  70. Lawrence says:

    I know Ricciardo still has a chance to win the F1 DC but is it now a realistic one?? That to me that is the interesting element to all of this.

    1. Random 79 says:

      Realistic? Three thoughts on that:

      First, the Red Bull seems to have some good speed now.

      Second, if the Mercedes drivers go to war and take each other out it will help things along.

      Thirdly, it’s Ricciardo :)

      Realistic might be a stretch (maybe optimistic is a better word instead), but it’s possible and however much of an ask it might be right now I would say he’s definitely in with a chance.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @random 79…….personally i don’t see it as realistic. a vague possibility ,maybe. for ricciardo to pull this off he will need many things to fall into place and those are mainly out of his control.

        the only real chance as i see it, is for this mercedes argy bargy to rise to a higher level of disintegration. i would be absolutely thrilled to see this happen as neither of those drivers are, in my latest opinion, as good as ricciardo is now demonstrating. we seem to forget that he is taking on the very best of the best. those whom he is currently beating include long termers with a shedfull of WDC’s in their respective hip pockets. he makes it look easy….it is not. to do this you need talent and that is what he is showing to have in abundance.

        the fact remains that ricci will be extremely fortunate if he even gets to grab the number two spot. one can only hope.

      2. Random 79 says:


        One can not only hope, but one can also cross all of their finger and toes as well :)

        You’ve summed it up pretty well and I agree it’s a major, major long shot, but in all likelihood the next race or two will probably settle the issue anyway.

  71. Michael Powell says:

    …one too many…

  72. Hyper Chicaine Technique says:

    What was left of their frail friendship is pretty much long gone now. I agree that Nico was at fault in this tire puncture incident, especially being so aggressive so early in the race, BUT I don’t agree with how Merc’s team principals are handling the whole situation. I can see why Nico’s frustration has grown steadily throughout the season because the perception since Lewis has joined the team is that he is the favorite among the team bosses, ever since the Malaysian GP 2013 when he said “remember this one”.
    I think that was when the seed that was planted in Nico’s head and the jealously has slowly built up and reared its ugly head and compounded by their hunger to win the championship this season.
    Lewis has had the worse luck, but if he didn’t have those unfortunate retirements, he’d for sure be in the championship lead to this point and Nico knows it.
    The gloves are off, gentlemen. Its going to be a doozy these last 8 races! Enjoy the drama! Senna vs Prost, Part Deux is on!

  73. Cliff says:

    James, somehow the more calculating individual comes out of it better ha? You’re almost making excuses for Rosberg. Why don’t you call it like it is like you always claim you do. Hamilton’s version of events has largely been corroborated by a Mercedes spokesperson so why do you liken it to him tweeting Button’s set-up sheet. Sometimes you surprise me with the lengths you go to denigrate Hamilton. Enough said.

    1. James Allen says:

      I think you will find that the “confirmation” was nothing of the kind..

      1. aveli says:

        it was confirmed rosberg refuse to avoid the collision and that rosberg did it to prove a point. how much more of what hamilton said wasn’t confirmed james?

      2. Wassa says:

        James! I have to agree with Cliff. Why has no one in the western f1 media hold Rosberg accountable for his actions? This whole thing is starting to smell, even the spectators are starting to realise Rosberg is a con artist. It was pathethic watching f1 pundits trying to cover for Rosberg because even they realised Rosberg crossed the red line on Sunday. He crashed purposefully to prove a point. This what this whole affair should be about, the consequences for someone willing to crash to prove a point, whilst taking his title rival out in the process. Instead we have you denigrating Hamilton, as it has become the norm in you writing as of late.

    2. Gazza says:

      Toto Wolff has stated that Hamiltons phrasing of what was said was correct, but it was misinterpreted by Hamilton.
      You can understand why Lewis would take it that way after being effectively taken out of the race through no fault of his own.
      That post race interview was not carried out by someone with steely eyed calculation in his eyes, he looked shell shocked by the criticism to me.
      Its going to be interesting how he explains a rookie error to Lauda in a few days time, but i doubt we will ever get to hear that conversation.

    3. kenneth chapman says:

      before you denigrate james think it through. i do not see this at all. i think that james summary is pretty much spot on. i also note in your post that you state, hamilton’s comments as having been ‘largely’ corroborated and not as having been ‘corroborated’! why the qualification? that can only mean that you entertain a level of uncertainty and that in turn invalidates your response.

      1. Pkara says:

        Talk about confusion
        Kenneth again :-D you are comical .
        What aan earth are you taking ‘Lithium”?

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        a very sad response pkara but expected a deflection when put to the test?

  74. Miha Bevc says:

    The way I see the whole thing, and I’m not a fan of Nico nor Lewis.

    After Bahrain race, Nico said that one of the Lewis’ defensive moves was over the line – the one he shut the door on him. And Nico warned Lewis in one of the interviews that next time something similar happens, he won’t back off.

    I think Nico saw this as a similar situation as Bahrain (that’s why he’s saying he was trying to prove a point), although there is not a lot of people who would agree with him. I think it was his fault, but at the same time, he is doing a very good job against Lewis this year.

    If this is all part of his master plan to unsettle Lewis, than … well, it works. And if he wins the title, it will still be deserved in my opinion.

  75. Jure says:

    It’s hard to see how Lewis could have avoided contact?

    Nico was to far behind to make it stick, to far ahead to avoid it, also to stubborn to give up.

    Overall marks of a champion, overall he got out with 18 points to Lewis 0.

    Come what may nothing Senna or Schumacher wouldn’t have done. Nothing new then, especially Senna Prost days we all fondly admire. Why should Nico – Lewis rivalry would be any diffrent?

  76. David in Sydney says:

    It was a pretty simple racing incident.

    Imagine if HAM’s tyre hadn’t been split – I’ve seen worse ‘racing incidents’ – if ROS was the only driver worse off people would be lauding HAM’s robust defence of his position with an eye on the title.

    HAM should stop trying to be political and just drive. Yes, he’s had bad luck. Yes, he’s facing a tougher time that he expected with ROS. He’s faster than ROS. Just.

    So. Just. Get. On. With. It.

    1. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      Racing incident, just get on with it, spot on sir!

      The only thing that should be looked into is removing all winglets and edges from the outside of F1 front wings.

      Roll on Monza, shame it’s not this weekend! See the gravel is gone from the Parabolica! Wonder what line Vettel will take round it now ;)

      Also, did anyone see the crazy crash at the bus stop in one of the lower formulas? Someone lost it before the bus stop and went sideways over the grass hitting the sausage kerb and launching the car stupidly high, like about 10 car heights before it hit the ground, barriers and caught fire! Worth a look.

      1. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

        It was GP3, Maldonado has nothing on this guy…


    2. build says:

      HAM can be faster than ROS, faster than everyone but lately he is not always faster. Perhaps he needs a wise old man in his corner to calm him down and help him focus.

      Perhaps a wise old veteran like James should help him.

  77. John says:

    Hamilton does seem to have trouble playing with others. Alonso now Rosberg.
    This was always on the cards, what did Mercedes expect when they put two stars together.
    Sure it was a bit clumsy by Rosberg, but in a fight with an opponent you got to have a go, make your presence felt Also how many times have we seen Hamilton with minor front wing damage, its almost normal for him, if it hadn`t caused a puncture which doesn`t seem to happen often, we wouldn`t be talking about it.
    Sometimes it works out, Sometimes it doesn`t work out.

    Hope Ricciardo steals the championship.

  78. Matt W says:

    So Rosberg admitted he caused an avoidable accident whatever way you look at it. I am baffled as to why the stewards never even investigated such a pivotal moment in the world championship.

  79. Stephen Taylor says:

    James will you be doing a strategy report/analysis on the Belgian GP.?

  80. Sagar says:

    But Alonso just got a 5 sec penalty. Not his fault at all but shouldn’t the team be penalised more for being so careless? That was dangerous.
    And well the Merc bosses are making it ugly by giving their opinions out loud. They should have just had team orders if they wanted the 1-2 so bad.

  81. John Rambo says:

    Ok James.

    Yesterday you was demanding a letter from Mercedes Benz dismissing Hamilton’s allegations about Rosberg base on what Hamilton said after the race.

    Now we have Wolff and Rosberg dismissing Hamilton´s allegations. You need to remember that Hamilton was disqualified in Oz 2009 for being a lier and as far as I know Rosberg is yet to be catch on a lier.

    1. James Allen says:

      Read yesterday’s post again and review your first para

  82. Peter says:

    Agree with Rob Newman. When a general starts blaming his troops, the war can’t be won.

    1. Random 79 says:

      Sure it can…just by someone else, preferably a young Australian driver with a hell of a smile :)

  83. bmg says:

    2010 all over again.

  84. Sofia Elisabeth says:

    Lost every bit of respect I had for you before Nico… We all know you’re as fast as Lewis. Why did you feel the need to behave like that? Since Monaco, your team-mate hasn’t had a proper shot at the pole and being held back with car problems, you could have beaten him and secure your position but you just had to react like that ‘to prove a point’ What point? That you’re not as good he’s at wheel-to-wheel battle? That you’re still lingering 3 weeks after Hungary and felt sad that Toto and Paddy + Lauda didn’t back you up with that unnecessary team-order. In the mean time RedBull and Ricciardo are catching up…

  85. Mansell Mania says:

    Bring on Monza

  86. Lord Horn says:

    I am a quite appreciative of Lewis Hamilton’s speed and racecraft. However, I believe, my personal opinion, that Lewis Hamilton takes a long time to recover from incidents. It’s as if he carries the baggage of the last 4-5 races with him at every race. This means, it’s important for Rosberg, whom I’ve grown to appreciate, to steadily put pressure on Hamilton. Mentally.

    Perhaps, just a thought again, Rosberg knows that he cannot match Lewis in sheer pace. So, perhaps this is his way of instilling instability in Lewis’ mind. Lord knows, Lewis is not in Alonso’s frame of zen like focus and ability to bounce back. Imagine Lewis in Alonso’s seat. Get it?

    It all comes down to Rosberg making a statement a few races ago — ‘… I know how to deal with Hamilton now. I have learned my lessons…’ not exact words, but something to this regard.

    Like a massive, unstoppable world class heavyweight boxer who can dole out brutal punishment, but has a glass jaw, maybe this is it. Maybe Rosberg has found Lewis’ glass jaw — his mind. Lewis has awesome skills to win racing battles. Question is: Does he have the same level to win mind games?

    Let’s wait and watch.

  87. Carlos Marques says:

    First the managers all come out and make statements to the press when they shouldn’t be saying anything.

    Then one of the drivers comes out and starts discussing the details of a very private and confidential team meeting. Not to mention the fact his statements may have big legal repercussions for his employer and/or team-mate.

    If Ross Brawn was in charge he would just tell everyone to STFU- now. The only comment would come from him and that would be it. Actually, if Ross Brawn was in charge this would have never happened…

  88. Mike from Medellin says:

    James, you do a great job of defending Rosberg and condemning Hamilton. Did the same after Monaco.

    1. James Allen says:

      Give it a rest, you know that is not accurate

      1. Sagar says:

        Definitely. James shows how it is.

      2. Thompson says:

        James you read like a normal bloke there…….

        But while some accuse you of bias a small observations over the past few threads….by me

        The word ‘[mod]‘ is no longer being censored not sure if it’s due to the load in traffic or not.

        Interesting though.

      3. Thompson says:


    2. Manatee says:

      Ridiculous, completely straight down the line reporting. He gives the facts of both sides of the story and offers a conclusion that it’s going to be very difficult for Mercedes to manage their drivers for the rest of the season.

      I don’t know where you get your Hamilton bashing ideas from??

      Maybe re-read the article and try again mate.

    3. Vinola says:

      Certainly comes across more balanced on air (BBC Radio) than on these pages. I’d be curious if a poll was taken on these pages..lol. Perception is reality.

      1. Voodoopunk says:

        “I’d be curious if a poll was taken on these pages..lol. Perception is reality.”

        What would that show? that there are a lot of Hamilton fans?

        And what would that prove?

    4. DH says:

      Not true Mike. Great article by James. James uses facts to make his statements unlike many comments here driven by pure emotion!

    5. Mike A says:

      I like your comment – you are being sarcastic I am presuming.

  89. TymM says:

    One wonders how the Merc management would handle this issue with Ross Brawn at the helm.

    1. Random 79 says:

      “Better” is the first word that comes to mind…

  90. ficklesteak says:

    At least Nico plays the PR game well. Lewis is still stuck in his rookie year, where he got away with needling Fernando endlessly.

  91. Waz says:

    Soon changed his tune since Hungary……

    “… Lewis didn’t let me by, although he was ordered to do so, so that’s obviously not good and we need to discuss that internally.
    The thing I am most annoyed about though is the last lap though because I had a little opportunity and just so close, but didn’t manage to use it you know, just like 30cm missing or something.
    What [Hamilton] did was ok, the way he defended, because the guy on the inside, it’s his corner, so the guy on the outside needs to you know, make it far enough in front so that the other guy can’t push him out and I didn’t manage to do that so that’s what annoys me most.
    But ok, still in front in the championship, a long summer break now so I get to think about it a little bit, I look forward to that – although not now at the moment I’m still annoyed actually, but er tomorrow I look forward to it and then onwards and upwards for Spa.”

  92. Gregg M says:

    Lewis continues to behave like a petulant child, taking anything that doesn’t go his way as an affront to his self-appointed right to victory, much like his hero Ayrton Senna did. It was a racing incident, nothing more or less.

  93. Bart says:

    I think, watching them from outside, Lewis is very hard to manage in terms of his character. Button said a couple of weeks (months?) ago that, when teammates, Lewis would try to play mindgames on him. He seems to be doing it again this year (ex. “Nico is less hungry than me” and so on)

    I feel if Ross Brawn were still in charge at Brackley, we would perhaps have seen boring races with “Maintain the gap” messages. Not good for the team but, oh boy, so good for us.

  94. Mitch says:

    Go for it guys… it’s for the good of F1… Only problem is I’m not sure who the hero villain is yet.

    All that’s left is a few dummy spits and hand gestures like in those glorious everyone else / Schumacher or Senna / Prost days.

  95. aveli says:

    if rosberg didn’t cut hamilton’s tyre on purpose, why is he not sorry about it and why has he refused to apologise?

    1. Mike A says:

      I’m not qite sure how a racing driver can be so confident that when he sets out to deliberately cut the tyre on another car at that speed he can do it so well that he is able to continue in the race.

  96. Craig says:

    Both drivers were likely told to make it as controvsersial as possible given that TV viewership is lagging and the quasi-Toyota Prius aka Massey Ferguson racing series is going nowhere. Even Lotterer said his sports cars cornered faster than the Caterham. It’s hard to believe the entire Formula 1 scene is revolving around 2 guys on the same team. There are only 3 or 4 cars capable of winning races. What a gong show.

    1. ApexPredator says:

      Uhm. WEC/LMP cars have always and will always corner faster than F1 cars. It’s called downforce. And LMP cars make more downforce than F1 cars because they’re essentially giant wings with wheels. Just wanted to clarify that for you…carry on otherwise.

    2. Random 79 says:

      Lotterer’s sports car probably does corner faster than the Caterham, as will his bicycle, a Model T Ford, and pretty much anything else.

      1. James Allen says:

        Apparently the Audi brakes later for La Source, as it has 40% more downforce than an F1 car.

  97. Felix Tydeman says:

    Apart from a little infighting, friction from within the team between two competitors both wishing to prove they are number 1, and then the clear wrong by speaking publicly about the meeting held behind closed doors, what did Nico actually do wrong?

    Sure, he really shouldn’t have taken out his team mate, but then is Lewis actually Nico’s team “mate”? They may well both be driving for the same company, but as is so often the case, their personal interests clearly outweigh those of their employer. Reality, and it will never happen, if Mercedes consider what was done to be so wrong, well then maybe Mercedes should give Nico a few weeks of to consider his future, or stricter still, fire him!!

    That of course will never happen, because no race team has the strength to terminate the employment of its probable champion.

    Reality is that the events of the incident between Nico & Lewis led to a most interesting race in the latter laps, and a winner that was thoroughly deserved.

    Bring it on again I say, and in a season where Mercedes are expected to win the championship, let them ruin each others race till the end of the season and hand the championship to, maybe, Dan Ricciardo!

    Then we will see what a real winners grin is like!!

  98. F Zero says:

    After four miserable seasons of F1, I’m loving these ongoing dramas. It helps not caring about which driver wins the WDC.

    It’s also thrilling to watch Dan’s performance this year.

  99. JayWest says:

    +1 Toto and Niki really jumped the gun by dispensing such immediate condemnation to the press. It was very unprofessional and only hurt the team image and added fuel to the fire unnecessarily. As Nico did, the team should have just said nothing about blame one way or the other. It was a shame for the team, and made worse yet by having Lewis carrying on about Nico’s “admission” of guilt the way he did. It seemed immediately ludicrous that Nico would have “admitted” that he had crashed or allowed the accident to happen intentionally. I have reviewed the video of the incident several times and it appears to have been mutually avoidable contact. Some may argue that Hamilton had the line, but Nico was attempting the outside pass and Lewis must have known he was there. Either of the two could have avoided the contact. Looks like racing to me. Cheers.

  100. Neil M says:

    As stupid as the move from Rosberg was on a teamate lap 2, it was poor leadership from Lauda and Toto to vent publicly on Rosberg.

    I am not a Rosberg fan and used to be a Lewis fan for his charging runs in the past, however Lewis has had so much smoke blown up his arse this year, he has become a Prima Donna with a God complex expecting people to yield to him. Before he comes down on Rosberg, he needs to remember how many people he smacked into at the German GP this year (including Jenson) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/10979289/Lewis-Hamilton-accused-by-Jenson-Button-of-picking-too-many-fights-after-German-Grand-Prix-collision.html

    Extremely amateur and sloppy passing from someone in a vastly superior car, but apparently that’s okay, because he is Lewis.

    Lewis, focus more on your old race craft and less on your preening and you might just win the WDC.

    1. Bernard says:

      “After watching the race back think I overreacted with my feelings about Lewis’s move. I can understand why he though I was giving him room” Jenson Button

  101. apb says:

    Although I don’t think that Rosberg deliberately intended to cause the accident, the underlying feeling (as in the Monaco qualifying session) is a sense of injustice at the final outcome. The most generous interpretation is that on both occasions Rosberg has improved his circumstances through his own errors. From a sporting point of view that just doesn’t seem right.

    1. Antonio says:

      yes… nothing’s fair in love and war… and sometimes sport…

      fairness and justice are complicated to implement when plenty of thing go (partially or completely) out of your control (your being an individual, a team, company, society…)

    2. JF says:

      Fair is a concept for pre-schoolers. If life were truly fair, most people on the planet would be in serious trouble!.

  102. Ed Bone says:

    All Formula One drivers are thinking 100 times faster than we are when we’re watching at home. After multiple viewings of the footage what is really noticeable is that Rosberg moves his steering wheel first left (avoiding) and then right (colliding) at the point where it becomes totally obvious it’s impossible for him to pass.

    I believe Rosberg knew perfectly well he should’ve backed off and I believe he knew perfectly well the impending risk of damaging Lewis’s car by not doing so.

    But the fact that he turned back into Lewis and clipped him is all the proof I need to be convinced it was a delberate attempt to hit Lewis’s car.

    One of the most telling aspects of all of this is the reaction of the team. The fact that they themselves are were so angry with Rosberg for me speaks volumes. I do think Mercedes have back-pedalled on this initial reaction somewhat with some more tempered responses.

    The real message that comes out of this is the poor man-management within Mercedes which has led to a situation where the drivers are at each other’s throats.

  103. peter says:

    it was a racing incident. big deal. so much coverage on such a small incident. I cant believe it! What a bunch of sissys!! hahahahaha

  104. guant says:

    “Rosberg is not as adept at the close quarters stuff as Hamilton”
    Yes it was a clumsy attempt, but Hamilton is hardly adept at close quarter racing. How many people did Hamilton hit at Hockenheim?
    Hamilton’s and Nico’s are fast (Hamilton probably slightly faster but more error prone) but both lack the racecraft of the other top drivers.
    This whole incident has been poorly handled by the team, especially Lauda

  105. A says:

    Mr Allen I said you have a bias towards Rosberg but now is clear, is against Hamilton.

    1. James Allen says:

      It’s both

      Wait, no, it’s neither

      It must a bias of some kind, surely

      Wait, maybe not?

      1. Ray C Boy says:

        …and i thought you were a Ferrari fan. : )

      2. OldOzzie says:


        I think you have presented the facts as known, fairly and succinctly. favoring neither side of the Rosberg/Hamilton debate.

        From my perspective, Hamilton acts aggressively towards other drivers when overtaking and when it is tried on him, goes a Wimpy, Whining Crybaby

        to reiterate Ia comment I posted Earlier

        “OldOzzie says:
        August 24, 2014 at 11:43 pm

        Hamilton is a Whinging Cry Baby – Rosberg was faster, and Hamilton tried to shut him out on the pass and Hamilton lost with a puncture.

        Hamilton then compounded the problem by driving back to the pits at speed, as Martin Brundle said “Hamilton is going too fast back to the pits on that damaged wheel, he is going to do further damage to his car”

        And Hamilton did.

        Whereas Rosberg in situations like that applies intelligence and tries to get the best outcome from the problem, Hamilton created the problem, and then Cry Baby Whinged non stop for the rest of the race.

        The Booing, as Eddy Jordan said was atrocious, it was a bloody great race and Rosberg showed what a true champion looks like, someone who thinks .

        To Ricciardo, a great drive”

        Hamilton needs to grow up, Rosberg is the Adult and Hamilton is still in his “PlayPen”, waiting to spit his dummy on a regular basis.

        PS James, really enjoy your commentaries on ONEHD

      3. You must be laughing after having been criticised for being a Hamilton fan back in 07/08!

      4. James Allen says:

        The positive way to view it is that at least the fans are passionate!

      5. Phil_too says:


        Good to see that constant accusations of bias don’t get you hot under the collar James and you take it in your stride.

        I know you have a lot of posts to moderate, but gee you allow a lot of negative even almost abusive stuff towards you get through. I’m getting sick of it, can’t imagine how you feel. I’d have banned some of the posters by now!

        Keep up the good work JA

      6. James Allen says:

        The depressing bit is those guys haven’t read the piece properly. This site is all about the content and the dialogue afterwards.

        But the price of entry is to actually read the argument in the piece, which some of them have not done or have missed the (rather clear) point

      7. kenneth chapman says:

        i like that response, reminds me of the conversation between the psychologist and the patient. the psychologist asks, do you have problems making decisions? the patient replies, ‘yes and no’. says it all really

      8. pepe_le_pew says:

        Could Mercedes not just let them off the leash, history and fans alike would love to witness a fair championship. (Mechanical failures aside), I must say either Nico is incredibly devious, or very fortunate in that his mistakes tend to hamper his opposition and help him out at the same time, i wonder what the law of averages would say abwt this (reminds me of dick dastardly). its hard to say, but with all the management nannying in the garage I’m sure Hamilton will only get worse, his head will become more clouded and his judgement worse,
        please Toto, Senna v Prost went up a level when the 2 split officially, with the car advantage mercedes have i’m sure they can afford to let it happen.
        let engineers keep secrets that they deem is an advantage and share everything else.

        No one can explain Hamilton’s misfortune or Rosberg’s good fortune, but it appears that Hamilton is frustrated that he has to share his advantages and Nico is doing the same too, hiding his advantage where he can as well. Let them go pound for pound from here on to the end, I’m sure the fans will forget everything up to this point, and no one can cry foul at the end of the season, If Rosberg’s really a villain he’ll be forced into the light and we’ll finally get to guage if Mr hamilton is as good as its been said, and if he wants that second WDC that he says he does then he’ll have to man up and go get it, this is f1 so its not supposed to be easy anyway.

        1 simple rule, the driver to cause the next collision should be ousted next season, because if it carries on in this manner 1 will be leaving anyway. (And if Mercedes makes another championship winning machine I wouldn’t want to be the one who gets the chop, Mercedes are wealthy they can pay off a driver like Ferrari did, so silly season, Bo77as/Hulk to Mercedes 2015).

        Why on earth is Mercedes making a mountain out of a molehill. (It’s a Conspiracy I tell u)

      9. Random 79 says:

        Good answer :)

    2. JF says:

      All this over a simple racing incident!

  106. Lindsay says:

    Lewis has been niggling at Nico ever since he realised they were alone in a fight for the title. You can see it going on when they’re both on camera. Now it appears that Nico doesn’t want to be remembered as a pushover and it’s come back to bite him.

    He also needs to stop opening his mouth in public, but that problem isn’t new to this year.

    1. Lindsay says:

      To clarify, “him” and “he” refer to Lewis.

  107. Jonno says:

    It would be interesting to know why Rosberg believes he has the right to be the No 1 driver in the team. He’s been racing in F1 for 8 years and he’s never shown anything like the ability needed to be a WDC. Does he think that having been in Mercedes F1 since the team was formed gives him squatters rights? Lewis Hamilton was bought into the team, at great expense, for a reason.

    Whatever the result at the end of the season, the drivers championship will be sullied. Should Rosberg win, he will be labelled as a dirty driver. If the championship goes to Hamilton, he’ll be accused of favourtism.

    Mercedes need to be thinking about next year. Do they want sworn enemies driving for them? Can Rosberg be trusted? Who would want to drive alongside Rosberg in future? If they keep Rosberg, because he’s got a contract already, is he capable of winning against cars that will much closer or better in performance in coming seasons? We know Hamilton won’t let the team down, but will Mercedes let Hamilton down?

    There’s also the long term issues this race has caused the team. Will Mercedes want to continue putting money into F1 if such dreadful publicity could hit their image again? I believe Lewis Hamilton is ‘huge’ in the US, a country that buys a lot of Mercedes cars. If Mercedes have any sense that simple fact should help them make the decisions required after the weekend.

    1. yellowbelly says:

      You believe wrong! According to Lewis himself: “As I have done for the last few years, I went away to Colorado in the United States for most of the break.

      I love the life I lead in F1, but going over there is very refreshing.

      Nobody knows me. 

      1. Jonno says:

        Colorado has it caught up with the 21st century yet ? Arnie could go there for a holiday and not be recognised.

        Lewis Hamilton has been named the world’s most marketable athlete in May 2014.


  108. Rockman says:

    Dear God,

    Please end this non sense immediately and let the smilling assassin, a.k.a Honey Badger win this years WDC.

    Yours sincerely,

    F1 Fan

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      cool statement rockman. i completely agree.

  109. Darren D says:

    Where else, and in what other way, could Rosberg have chosen to get Lewis to think about the consequences of being aggressive with him in tight situations? That was only ever going to happen on track.

    If these two are going to be on the same team for any length of time, Rosberg had to push the reset button at some point. He couldn’t allow himself to be bullied on circuit and expect to get the better of Lewis on a regular basis. They are simply too close in outright pace to give away that kind of advantage to his teammate and be known as the guy that could be relied on the back down when required. Nothing sinister in wanting to stand up for himself.

    For Rosberg, getting comfortable with added risk and aggression in his driving is going to take some time; but it is a necessity. It is remarkable that pundits, who often point out this area of his driving as a weakness are so quick to criticize him for trying to improve in this area and some of the inevitable results of doing so. It could be a little sloppy for awhile, particularly as other drivers will also have to recalibrate what they know of Rosberg on track, but you have to believe that he will become a better all around driver for doing it.

    Nico owes it to himself and his career to keep pushing and to stand up for himself. There is no need to give in to the narrative that Lewis Hamilton is ultimately the more “gifted” or “talented” driver. How much respect would he have for himself if he did that?

    1. Thompson says:

      Be in front of Hamilton. in all these Rosberg gripes the common denominator is ROSBERG WAS BEHIND!!!.

      Bahrain 13 Rosberg was behind. Several attempted overtakes failed before being told to hold station.

      Spa 14 Rosberg was behind him, due to a poor start, we could go back to Bahrain 14. …do you see a pattern

      Was it dirty Harry who said ‘a man should know his limitations’

  110. Tim says:

    Hi James – do you think the stewards decided to not investigate the incident because it was between team mates?

    I find the whole thing fascinating. Hamilton has a lot to think about and Rosberg is doing a good job of unsettling him.


    1. James Allen says:

      Strange as Magnussen got Points on his licence for cutting Raikkonen’s tyre earlier in the season

      1. Mike from Medellin says:

        Magnussen does not have a Dad with stewards in his pocket

      2. James Allen says:

        Where are you getting this notion from?

  111. Valentino - Schumacher # 1 says:

    That’s why Schumacher’s Formula for Success worked !

    Ferrari hired the best and had very good number two’s with Irvine and then Barrichello !

    Everybody knew their role and their was harmony , and many many championships followed suit !

    Funny thing now is how the 2 Merc drivers are at each other’s throat , when in 2012 the author if this website was making a big case of how the two were “karting friends” …

    As Willi Weber pointed out a few weeks ( btw he’s Schumacher’s ex manager for those who don’t know ) .. :

    “Who wants to see the wimps of today crying on the radio?” Weber told Sport Bild. “There are no more characters like Ayrton Senna, Jacques Villeneuve and Michael Schumacher were. They would not complain on the radio but give their answer on the track.”

    Well said Willi !!

  112. Ray C Boy says:

    Over a thousand comments over a racing incident/driver error. Wow!

    …so, who was YOUR driver of the day?

    Dan the man, that’s who.

    200 points still to play for. Ric is only 64pts behind Ros.

    Sure it’s a long shot, but not out of the question, especially if Merc keep shooting themselves in the foot.
    Never expected RBR to really challenge at Spa.

  113. sd says:

    While everyone on & off the paddock is busy with Spa saga, smart Vettel is testing first ever Sochi track, the guy for sure is working on his Vth title in the nearest future.

  114. Oly says:

    I hope that pumping this thing from a simple racing incident to a “deliberate crash theory” will backfire to Hamilton as it should. He knows that’s impossible to plan or in split-second execute such a surgical cut-touch to his tire from position where is a higher chance to break your front wing completely in the first place. There is a zero chance that hit was deliberate action.
    On the other hand, Rosberg always was a nice guy – until he got a Hamilton as a teammate and suddenly start to think or act dirty. I don’t buy this.
    Yes Hamilton is fast, but he is also very unstable. After this “show out of nothing” I dare to question his integrity and now, after this, I also question the show he made out of the Monaco incident. I just can’t believe Nico is suddenly capable for all of this, both highly complex “tricks” to execute. It is much more easy for me to see this “show” as Hamilton’s deliberate unsporting behaviour to his teammate, his team, and the rest of us who love this sport. Yes I see Rosberg as a better person than Hamilton.

  115. Bullish says:

    I think Lewis is losing the mind game. Look at his reactions throughout the past few races. Lewis is very frustrated and may have impact on his performances.

  116. BMG says:

    Getting a bit boring. James can we move driver of the day.

  117. Steven M says:

    Nico doesn’t care, hes got the points, that’s the only thing that counts. Just a dirty driver without skills.

  118. Karl says:


    Unfortunately, the BBC onboard coverage doesn’t seem to have good captures of the pass attempts I wanted to look at (Vettel on Hamilton on lap 1 and Rosberg on Hamilton on lap 2), but from what I can tell from the combination of the regular & onboard coverage, Hamilton took virtually the same line into the chicane on both occasions. If you have better onboard shots of them and could analyze, it would be awesome.

    Motivations and “making a point” aside, people seem to criticize Rosberg for making an attempt there, that he had no right and to be sure, it does seem half-hearted, yet Hamilton took that same line even when Vettel was ahead of him going into the corner on the outside. If not for Vettel outbraking himself, the same kind of contact would’ve been made I imagine. My immediate reaction was that “oh well, if you keep doing that, someone’s gonna run into you…,” especially when you’re the one needing to make up the WC points.

    Don’t you find this a little entitled on his part? As another reference point, on lap 1 I see Alonso making a move on Riccardo (outbraking himself as well to set it up nicely for Alonso) in the same corner, but he leaves enough space on the inside just in case he comes back aggressively (seems very very tight, but enough I think). All of this is to say, I agree with the stewards and it appears to be a racing incident caused by both parties being overly aggressive.

    I’m just getting the sense that this is getting blown out of portion… Hamilton’s been extremely aggressive when I thought it was too much in the past, and in fact, Bahrain this very season comes to mind, not to mention the tango with Massa circa 2011. He wheeled Rosberg off the road multiple times – which by the Magnussen standard of Spa, would’ve handed a penalty on him. Rosberg was fairer when he was inside. Because Rosberg avoided the contact (I don’t see much difference in how Hamilton drove in both occasions), we called that one “great wheel to wheel racing.” I can empathize Rosberg making a statement saying “you can’t squeeze me no more” at the cost of pissing the management/crowd off, although he could’ve probably picked a better spot to do this.

  119. Jake says:

    Hamilton is faster on a good day, but he is also very fragile, just remember his final seasons at Maclaren, many racing mistakes, calling the FIA racist and ultimately becoming very unpopular within the Mclaren team with his behavior and public accusations.

    Rosberg is winning the psychological game and not allowing Hamilton any good days. Hamilton is showing the signs that he is been pushed over the edge again.

    Mercedes got a huge management challenge on their hands. I’m not sure they are equipped to deal with it. Currently this is turning into a PR disaster for them.

    All part of what makes F1 special.

    1. Thompson says:

      Hamilton 2012 was on it.

      If not for unreliability he would have had 6 or 7 wins. The last race was another possible win but for Hulkenburgs error in what was a superb dual in mixed conditions.

      That last season with McLaren was a WDC championship winning season, the team lost that one.

      1. Thompson says:

        To add (pressed comment when scrolling up)

        Imo – merc do not have a problem – Hamilton will not run into rosberg, I doubt he would stoop to any under handed tactic.

        Rosberg has and for that reason needs to be addressed – a 1 race ban is needed.

        While Hamilton has comeback ready for the run in Rosberg has apparently been harbouring feelings – if the general gist of what’s been reported is to be believe

        He just got married, you’d think is mindset and feelings would be elsewhere.

        But I digress the team just needs to make Rosberg aware of his position in the team I.e he is an employee.

        Race Hamilton by all means race hard win or lose but keep it clean dubious acts will not be tolerated.

  120. Bayan says:

    Read the article and some of the comments. I’m failing to see bias in this article. Seems to just quote people and state the obvious (Rosberg was too agressive in making his point and hit Hamilton; Hamilton should stop spilling details of team meetings where it suits him).

    Personally, i feel like Hamilton should have left a bit more room but from previous races, he probably expected Rosberg to back off. Rosberg’s front was next to Hamilton’s sidepod in the middle of these 2 corners so I feel like Hamilton should have seen that unless Rosberg really slows down, 2 cars won’t fit. I don’t think Rosberg would have had another chance until the approach to Blanchimont and the final chicane at which point Hamilton would still have been ahead as he would have had the inside line at the very least.

    Also, as a fan, I enjoy this fight and all the emotions associated with it. But if I was a team member, I would have wanted Hamilton to not give away details of a team meeting. He also does it in a way to make himself look good. He comes across as a cry baby and probably widens the rift within the team. I wouldn’t be surprised if their respective engineers/mechanics start hiding information from each other because of this (doesn’t help that Hamilton talks about the guys in his side of the garage). The best thing would be to keep quiet and let your driving do the talking.

    Lastly, Merc should either keep Niki L. from opening his trap and fueling fires (instead of putting them out as a leader should) or get rid of him. He was a great driver but is really irritating as a team leader (whatever his position is in Merc).

    1. Bayan says:

      Also, I felt like Lewis was deliberately going slowly so that he can ask to quit (he had the fastest times on the circuit at one point). All the greats would not give up and fight back to try to get some points (probably a big reason why they are considered greats) instead of whining and wanting to quit. I’m sure Bernie also doesn’t like this quitting nonsense as it is not good for the “show”.

      1. Thompson says:

        He was over a minute behind. And 20secs behind the last car.

        He would have to push his engine to distruction to catch up only to lose that time in pitstops.

        He has already lost one engine it being burned out and there was no realistic chance of points – even with a healthy car it would still be a mammoth task.

        He was correct, save the engine – move on to monza.

        All the greats did not have 5 engines allocated to them for a 19 race season.

  121. Bernard says:

    In truth, Wolffs response is essentially no different to Hamiltons:

    Hamilton: “[Nico] said he could have avoided it. He said ‘I did it to prove a point.’”

    Wolff: “Nico felt he needed to hold his line. He needed to make a point… What we saw there was that Nico was not prepared to take the exit, and that caused the collision.”

    Then there’s (3 times world champion) Lauda: “… It was Nicos fault… Nicos opinion was he was right [to not back out]. I don’t think he was.”

    There is no misinterpretation in Hamiltons statement, Rosbergs positioning was to ‘make a point’, contact was easily avoidable and therefore the collision was deliberate.

    Read Wolffs statement again and let it sink in for a second, “Nico was not prepared to take the exit, and that caused the collision.”

    Besides the above, it is very telling that Rosberg is not claiming ANY responsibility for the collision, he is placing the entirety of blame on Hamilton, “I haven’t seen it yet” or “racing incident”, this is delusional and dangerous for someone expected to go wheel to wheel with rivals at 200 mph.

    It is reminiscent of his lack of empathy after ruining Hamiltons weekend in Monaco, indeed he was positively ecstatic when he jumped out of the car after qualifying. Not forgetting his pedal to the metal chicane cutting in Canada. His inability to get past Hamilton whilst using unauthorised engine modes and quicker tires in Bahrain. His anger at not being ushered past after a quick call to the team in Hungary leading to pent-up frustration lasting until Spa.

    It is also bizarre that after Hungary he said there was nothing wrong with Hamiltons defence, only to then to claim Hamilton was to blame for not respecting the ‘code’ in Spa:

    “What [Hamilton] did was ok, the way he defended, because the guy on the inside, it’s his corner, so the guy on the outside needs to you know, make it far enough in front so that the other guy can’t push him out and I didn’t manage to do that so that’s what annoys me most.”

    These are the signs of a careless, almost demented mindset and no doubt played a role in his ‘decision’ to put his car in a position that he knew it would make contact with Hamiltons.

    The only ‘point’ Rosberg has made this season is that he seems incapable of beating Hamilton in a straight fight. More worryingly however, he has resorted to underhand tactics in an attempt to level the playing field and that needs to be dealt with by Mercedes immediately.

    Further, Rosbergs desire of keeping things ‘internal’ is ruining his reputation not strengthening it. There is nothing ‘professional’ in keeping your mouth shut. Transparency is everything. Maybe Piquet Jnr should have kept his mouth shut in 2009 too? What about Alonso in 2007? NDA or no NDA, sometimes things need to be exposed, particularly in sport even if only for the sake of fair play.

    Also, we should take into account Rosbergs apparent ‘familiarity’ with cheating, he may wear the Good Guy veneer with pride but he is clearly no stranger to the dark side of competition, referring to cheating in a 2006 New York Times article:

    “The ugliest trick came at Monaco this year when Schumacher parked his car in a corner on the last lap of qualifying to prevent anyone from taking his provisional pole position.

    “‘That’s Page 1, Chapter 1,’ [David] Kennedy said. ‘We’re not even down to the index in the back looking for anomalies.’

    “Nico Rosberg, a driver at Williams, agreed, saying that all drivers had done something similar in their careers.

    “Schumacher’s error, he said, was in doing it so obviously that he got caught – and was penalized – and in not admitting that he did it on purpose.

    “Drivers learn the moves, Rosberg said, in go-karting, where mechanics with many years of experience teach them the tricks. As they reach the highest level of karting, however, Rosberg said, they learn from the professional kart drivers who race up to their 30s, earning a living from sponsors.

    “‘They know it all,’ Rosberg said.”


    The fact the stewards have sat by and watched all this unfold is disturbing and with biased statements like “[Lewis should] man up and concentrate on the next race” and “you will not find a more honest driver in grand prix racing than Nico.” from Derek Warwick, is it any wonder people are suspicious. Magnussen was dropped from 6th to 12th for robustly defending his position in an exciting battle for 4th place, Alonso got a 5 second penalty for needlessly endangering several lives on the grid and Rosberg got nothing at all for causing a collision with his championship rival in order to ‘make a point’. Something is clearly not right here.

    In 2007 they had installed a monitor in the McLaren garage, maybe they need one this year at Mercedes.

  122. Matt Mandic says:

    The question has got to be asked, “Cui bono?”.

    Two Mercs crashing out at Spa would, rather predictably, lead Mercedes management to conclude that their racing drivers cannot be trusted to race flat out which might re-introduce team orders. Prior to Spa Rosberg held an 11 point advantage over Hamilton – he now holds a 29 point advantage. I’d argue that Rosberg wouldn’t shed too many tears if team orders were instated from this point on.

    I’m not suggesting Rosberg was looking for a crash, but he didn’t really try awfully hard to avoid it either. Lap 2 in the middle of a chicane is not where a seasoned driver “proves a point” – unless he’s trying to prove a point to the men on the pit wall rather than the driver in front. Given his position in the standings he has a lot to gain by destabilising Hamilton mentally and giving cause to bosses to seriously consider team orders.

  123. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    I agree the car values 70% and the driver 30% as a principle.

    So, the Team has the key to win both Championships, because he owns the cars…

    As a Team you can hire a star driver and a 2nd driver, like Alonso-Massa, or Vettel-Webber, so you establish a big difference in favor of the star driver and you win the WDC with him. But you have to encourage the 2nd driver to do well in order to secure the WCC.

    Or as a Team you can have just one car better than the other, it’s just the conspiracy theory against Red Bull to have Vettel winning several WDC because he has the best car, the best frontwing, or whatever, and then he won four boring WDC (and now he is nowhere).

    So, this fight between HAMILTON and ROSBERG seems to me the Mercedes Team blame.

    Mercedes has 2 equal cars and to excellent drivers. But…. HAMILTON is better than ROSBERG, but… ROSBERG’s car is more reliably than HAMILTON’s… That is incoherent.

    You can lose the WDC like this, ask McLaren.

    In conclusion, Mercedes team should opt, in order not to risk the WDC to RICCIARDO, to give again a better car to ROSBERG and that’s it, and just play mind games with HAMILTON saying they are with him in his side, etc…(!)

    HAMILTON should react against this situation. This is happening right now, and the team is not helping. What is it bad luck? Bad luck it does not exist!!!

    Anyway, I think HAMILTON could win for himself this WDC at the latest in the last corner of the last race, hopefully ;)

  124. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    Next drivers pair: ROSBERG and HULKENBERG.

  125. Wombat says:

    I think Lewis is a great driver (far better underlying skill than Nico), but it is high time for him to use his brian before engaging his mouth. Like it or not, Nico is winning the mental part of the challenge and doing a superb of rattling Lewis.

  126. mikeboy0001 says:

    The only thing I can conden in Rosberg, is that he tried that move on the first lap
    Even so, it was clearly a racing incident, where Rosberg had more to loose than Hamilton, but it turned the other way around
    Throughout the season,, Hamilton pushed Rosberg off track several times, and Rosberg always avoided contact
    This time, he wanted to make a stand, but it being it so soon in the race, it was indeed a foolish one.
    Had it been in later stages in the race, I think he would be entitled to do so, as it’s the job of both teammates to avoid contact with each other, not just one of them
    Magnussen did to Alonso in Spa, what Hamilton did to Rosberg several times in Bahrein
    Magnussen was righteously penalised, Hamilton should have been given at least a head’s up by Mercedes
    But racing aside, and even if I can understad Hamilton’s frustration, it was complete disgrace what he did after in the press release, convenely adapting what Rosberg said to his point of view, and betraying his own team debriefing
    I supported this guy even in his toughest years, when even Brits gave him unfairly treatment, but he’s not the nice and cool kid I loved to watch race Alonso at Mclaren, he’s just becomed, I’m sorry to say, a spoiled brat with envy of Vettel’s success, and a massive delusion of grandeur

  127. aveli says:

    hamilton understands that the way leading to destruction is wide.

    1. Mike A says:

      Post that again in English please.

  128. Derek Nickels says:

    I can understand why Nico might’ve done it on purpose. He has been at the team from day 1,putting up with early poor cars,and working hard at developing the team & car. Then Lewis strolls in the door expecting preferential treatment because he’s a world champion(which he wouldn’t have won without Alonso’s input all year,or the 2 Toyota’s letting him past).So Lewis got pushy & Nico has stood his ground & dished it back,showing the spoilt brat Lewis he won’t lay down,and nor should he.
    Lewis has once again rammed the Brembo brake product,down a teams throat,causing the issues with them.He did exactly the same thing at McLaren,insisting on using them,despite them not working well with the car,and Jenson & the test drivers not being comfortable with them. How can a team function properly when they have a driver who has to have things all his way,whether in the best interests of the team or not.
    Lewis needs to grow up and realise he has to play the team game. Had he done the right thing in Hungary & obeyed team orders,we’d be talking about the Mercedes dominant 1-2 at Spa.I personally hope that they both keep taking each other out,handing the title to Ricciardo in the end. It would certainly make them rethink how to work as a team.

  129. DH says:

    James, I know Indycar is not everyone’s scene but I watched last weekends race (and have been this year mainly due to JPM), many racing incidents, some broken front wings resulting in punctures and pitstops etc. The difference is that these are racers who don’t whinge and moan all the time. Also there seem to be 22 “Dan’s” in that category of racing – so many smiles’ laughs and media and fan friendly conversations.

  130. Jeff says:

    Just a thought, could Hamilton’s repeatedly having to make Nico “the bad guy” in the public’s eye have anything to do with Hamilton’s immaturity and inability to accept that he is being beaten on a weekly basis? Seems like Hamilton is intimidated and has been lashing out, kind of the popular kid in school and suddenly a new, cooler kid shows up.

  131. Torchwood Five says:

    I don’t understand the “controversy” about Hamilton revealing what was said in a private Mercedes debrief.

    Didn’t Toto and Lauda do that first, earlier in the season, when they revealed that the drivers had separately admitted to using the power boost setting to defend against Nico in one race, and to attack Lewis, in another race?

    Plus, the team spokesperson also confirmed it was an accurate representation. He/she could have sais ‘no comment’ if the debrief was meant to be THAT private.

    1. James Allen says:

      The last para – that ‘confirmation’ is not quite as it originally seemed

  132. Mike84 says:

    Saying “I own the corner and will go ahead and chop across the car I see halfway beside me even though it may cause a collision” is just as faulty as saying “I’m going to hold my line to make a point that I don’t give in, even though it may cause a collision.”

    Hamilton ran Rosberg right off the track earlier this year, so it makes sense for Rosberg to have said “no more of that.” Hamilton has a long history of expecting everyone to yield to him and running them off the track when they don’t — he forces them to choose between a collision or letting him win the duel.

    Good for Rosberg. His car was more than 1/2 alongside on the inside, and Hamilton should have seen him since he was looking that way. Rosberg held the line, Hamilton chopped, both would be found as contributing on the accident report.

  133. Rob Wilkin says:

    James Allen:
    About those comments regarding your selective bias towards whoever. I say they are all BS. I’ve watched you ever since Murray Walker started to wind down his career in 2000. I see you and him as being cut from the same cloth–proudly British and insanely in love with F1. And always you are looking for the truth regardless how difficult it may be. I’ve seen a lot of F1 over the years and really do miss Murray. He always displayed his deep respect for all of the drivers and I will be always grateful for his enthusiasm towards Giles. I can still hear Murray calling the final laps between Villeneuve and Arnoux at Dijon.

    The current generation of young fans will learn over time that the best journalists will give you the unvarnished truth. Eventually they will know who these are and learn to trust them when seeking information about what really happened.

    My experience listening and watching the BBC is it generally provides the facts–not the rumour, not the BS, not the opinion everyone wants to hear–but the facts as it sees them. I feel you exemplify that ethos.

    Keep up the good work.

      1. Paul du Maître says:

        I’m neither Brit nor German/Monegasque, don’t have any particular feeling towards HAM or ROS, and I agree that James’ posts seem quite balanced. Actually, the portrait he’s painting of the mind games being played by both ROS and HAM seems faithful, relevant and, what’s most important for us readers, extremely interesting!

        Great stuff, James.

  134. Peter W says:

    Completely off topic since it seems there’s going to be nothing but Lewis/Nico in the press…..

    How can the FIA justify the pathetic penalty handed to Alonso for the start line infraction? I remember earlier in the year DR had a wheel come off in a pit stop – a human ERROR. However, his race was not only shot by that error, he was given a drive through penalty, AND a 10 place grid penalty at the next race. It’s a safety issue, so fair enough.

    However, at Spa we have the Ferrari mechanics DELIBERATELY violating a starting grid safety procedure, with the potential for them to be run over and all Alonso gets is a 5 second stop?????

    As I said, PATHETIC…..and if this isn’t a clear indication of where the FIA’s bias lies, I don’t know what is!

    1. James Allen says:

      Because he was moving before the last car left the grid, I guess, but strictly speaking he should have been pushed off the grid by marshals and start from pit lane with a drive thru for mechanics still on grid at 15 sec signal

      1. Peter W says:

        Exactly, considering the breach, the 5 sec stop was a complete non-penalty!

  135. Chanquetas says:

    Driver A takes out Driver B. Check

    Briver B lambasts Driver A. Check

    Driver A denies any wrongdoing. Check.

    Team declare no knee jerk reaction. Check.

    Looking ahead:
    Team will now fail to punish Driver A in any form whatsoever.

    Driver A will win WDC despite the booing. The history books will only remember the efforts of Driver A. Driver B will begrudgingly sign on again for what is currently the fastest team.

    Could easily be 2010.

  136. build says:

    James you are too rational, too neutral, you should have a stronger point of view on these incidents.

    1. Random 79 says:

      If you want strong opinions you’ll find plenty – have a read through some of the comments by people who have read (or not read) the article.

      Do we really want James to carry on in the same manner? i.e. Rosberg is a cheat, Hamilton is a cry-baby, it’s all Rosberg’s fault, it’s all Hamilton’s fault, etc, etc…

      James is a journalist: He presents the facts, breaks them down, then lets us come to our own conclusions.

      Rational and neutral – that’s exactly the way he should be.

      1. build says:

        G’day Random,
        There was sarcasm in there.

      2. Random 79 says:


        Fair enough and my mistake, but in my defense it was very well camouflaged sarcasm ;)

    2. ferggsa says:

      Well James, now you have been blamed for being too Rosby, then too Hamsy and now too bland. Guess you cant make everyone happy, so just keep doing your good job as usual

      1. build says:

        Spot on ferggsa, that was my obviously too subtle point.

    3. ferggsa says:

      Now that you mention it, yes, your sarcasm is subtle but in hindsight still quite obvious, sorry to miss it

  137. Olivier says:

    If you go by Toto’s rules, then he should be upset with Hamilton instead of Rosberg. It was Hamilton who “impeded” Rosberg who was clearly the faster car … perhaps this could have persuaded Rosberg to not avoid a clash and “prove a point”?

    A Championship fight between team mates is not manageable. Hence the idea of a number two driver. I welcome Mercedes approach to give them equal treatment and let them fight. They should stick to just one rule: Do not take each other out. The impeding rule was too ambiguous. It had too much wordplay.

  138. Sagar says:

    This whole episode brings out one thing. The Merc Management did everything to dominate the season but they are making a fool out of themselves by handling such situations in such a bad way.

  139. nick says:

    James what realistic ptions are there for Mercedes when it comes to sanctions / disciplinary action against Rosberg? Aside for suspending / replacing him for a race, I can’t see anything meaningful they can do, and that’s an extremely unlikely option. Or are there some ways they can give Hamilton preferential treatment, first choice on pit stops etc for a race or two?

  140. Gene says:

    ……wow, never seen so many comments. As a member of a couple of F1 teams a long while ago , I can’t shut up any longer……
    MAYBE NR’s move was a bit hasty, MAYBE his choice to not back out was to “make a statement”,MAYBE LH truly though it was “his corner”……………..one big MAYBE has been left out of most of the comments.
    Seems to me that a large portion of the blame should be laid at the door of Toto and Niki, their management (more correctly, non-management) of the previous races this season has set this up……there is NO doubt in my mind that, if Ross B was still in charge, this would not have developed in this way.

    1. Random 79 says:

      “wow, never seen so many comments” – Multi 21 anyone? ;)

      Regardless, well said.

  141. erik says:

    This is exactly the same kind of point making move as was Webber`s in Turkey 2010. Rosberg was holding the line knowing there was no optimum outcome, just like Webber did. Only difference is people blame a person forcing this issue, not the one moving on to the racing line to take the corner.

  142. Richard says:

    First, James Allen has had a clear bias against Hamilton for quite some time. This wasn’t always the case.
    Secondly. After claiming all year that his mental strength was uncrackable, Rosberg (or is it Crashberg as he does make an awful lot of mistakes) has just cracked.
    Thirdly, I was not decided on the Monaco incident, but it seems Nico has the win-at-all-costs
    attitude Schumacher had.
    Will Mercedes Corporate PR allow him to take the driver’s title now ?

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ james…sometimes i marvel at your restraint when faced with posts like this. well done.

    1. AdamJ says:

      They hired Schumacher – that should be a clue!

  143. DTM says:

    Seems like there’s a lot of talk about Hamilton being emotional and moany but isn’t his just him being honest? He retired during the race due to Rosberg hitting him, to “prove a point” so he must be gutted and angry. Should he come across as being happy about the situation?

    I’m sure Hamilton will be fine mentally for the next race but I expect he may lose out in qualifying again (as Rosberg is really fast in qualifying at the moment), and Mercedes won’t allow any overtaking between their drivers during the race (which is what I fear may happen)

    No wonder Rosberg is calm and collected. He benefited greatly from the race but with no punishment!

  144. Archie says:

    Hamiltion takes a hard line the whole time and Rosberg ist called a wuss.
    The team touts for free race, real competition and other exciting things.

    Then Rosberg one time does not cave in, flexes his muscles and what happens?
    The hooligans are booing (as expected and known from Vettel) and the team is stoning him publicly (as not expected).
    The team acted very unprofessional, for me unsurprisingly regarding Lauda, but regarding Wolff.
    Both should be sent to a management training.
    And they should not sanction Rosberg by causing an race incident during the hard fight for championship, but Hamiltion by profiling in the media with team internal informations additional to his usual blubbering.
    Hello Mercedes team:
    Rosberg is the one who always talks about the team, the awesome car, the good management, the famous brand. He is leading the chart and the qualification duel.
    Hamilton always blames the team, the car, the moon etc., is always free of any guilt.

    Fact is: Rosberg grows with every race and Hamilton starts to dread.

    1. Owen says:

      Spot on

      Hamilton has become the biggest whinger in the entire paddock.

    2. Bello says:

      ‘Then Rosberg one time does not cave in, flexes his muscles and what happens?’…….. He ruins his team mates race which he himself admits he could have avoided but chose not to just to prove a point. Toto has said this.

      Rosberg has grown with every race? Really? Watching the race on Sunday, he started on pole, lost the lead by the first corner, made contact, damaged his car and ended up 2nd. If you are going to back a driver at least make comments that can be supported by some evidence. All you have done by making such comments is expose his failings in Spa and Hungary (and probably other races too), which is a shame because he is fast and talented. I think your negative feelings towards Lewis is clouding your judgement.

    1. Rodders says:

      Forgot what? That regardless of suspicions on the balance of probability Hamilton was to blame.

      Or, that two wrongs don’t make a right? Is that really the defence of Rosberg. “the team said never crash into each other, but in the past Hamilton has made a mistake, so Rosberg thought he was justified risking a crash”. Really? That’s your point?

    2. Thompson says:

      Tamzed, did you see that incident – Button came off the corner poorly – Hamilton had a run on him, Button pushed him into the wall.

      I recall on the BBC end of season review Eddie Jordan said it out load…. The look on Coultard ans Jake humphrys face

      There were a couple more incidents like that, I recall Button running into the back of an HRT one race trying to keep Hamilton behind him.

  145. dazzle says:

    Jamed, do you know if Hamilton reads your articles?

    Anyways, i think Hamilton will win the WDC, this saga is like a kung fu movie where the hero wins at the end

  146. Rob G says:

    Not sure if this has already been said but why in the world was Nico trying to overtake at Les Combes around the outside when both are on the same tyre on lap 2?? He could’ve waited till the end of the lap and used the tow through Blanchimont into the chicane or as James mentioned in the article, waited one more lap and then he would’ve had DRS!! For all of those people who are backing Rosberg on this doesn’t that move seem a little hotheaded to you given his obvious alternatives? He couldn’t in a million years expect to pull off an overtake like that on anyone who’s good enough to drive in F1 never mind his teammate who has fiercely defended his racing line all season long. I’m all for having a go and showing Lewis that he’s not a poof but that just lacked common sense in my opinion.

  147. Stephen Taylor says:

    Echoes of 2007 for me when Kimi won it from the fueding Hamilton and Alonso who drove for Mclaren that year. All I say to Merc is keep an eye on Ricciardo.

  148. p.relli says:

    1. Racing incident – Caused by Rosberg, but a RI none the less
    2. Do we really want to see penalties given for every touch. especially when the competition between these 2 is the only thing keeping this from being a snoozer of a season? (I understand Riccardo as a bright spot, but he is only there when Merc have issues or crashes).
    3. Merc will probably lay out some type of “orders” for Monza (no challenges in the opening laps, etc.) that, if followed, will have us watching these 2 run away into the distance while we watch fights for 4-8 place.
    4. I sometimes wonder if this is not all manufactured drama to boost the lagging TV numbers/ticket sales….this is not a sport at it’s core, but a business.

  149. Rafael says:

    If anything, what we can take from this incident (assuming Hamilton and Toto Wolff’s statements, re “Nico felt he needed to prove a point”, are legit) is a snapshot of Rosberg’s insecurities: in deciding that he needed to do something bold by sticking it to Lewis, you can take that as a sign of Nico himself being unsure of how he matches up to Brit’s undisputed talent, and if he would in fact be leading this year’s standings (yet alone challenge for the title at all) had it not been for the string of bad luck suffered by his team-mate. It looks as if the constant (yet sometimes unspoken) questions surrounding his validity as a contender to this year’s title (to the fans, the media, the team, etc.) are beginning to get to Nico.

    His recent statement is nothing more than an attempt to save face, by ensuring that the world will not move on from this incident with Hamilton (and the team) having the last say. Again, a case of, “I’ve got to prove that my b*alls are bigger than his”.

    Then again, the collision between the two Mercedes drivers was nothing more than a typical racing incident – something that has happened a million times in the past, and something that will happen a million more times in the future, so long as F1 (and motorsport) exists. It was simply brought about by an error in judgement by one driver; and what makes it all so controversial (and sensational) is it happened between team-mates, who both happen to be fighting each other for the championship. That’s it.

  150. JohnBt says:

    Put it this way, if Lewis and Nico were midfielders this will be considered a racing incident. But they are fighting for WDC, so any incident will certainly be blown out of proportion and fans of Nico and Lewis will be very critical. Guess the hype and drama is good for F1, with the attention it might raise the viewership level for the rest of the season.

    Nico 80% wrong – Lewis 20%, that’s how I see it as a fan of Alonso who made a similar clumsy mistake too. I suspect Nico is panicky as this will be his chance to grab the WDC which can demonise him.

    As Brundle explained, if a tyre is hit above the coloured indication, chances of puncture is very high, anything below the mark, very unlikely. Unless Nico calculated this move knowing he can change his wing and Lewis will damage the floor board returning to pit.

    Strangely the racing has been fantastic despite the not so liked ruling.

  151. Nigel says:

    Just to try to move this discussion on a bit….Ross Brawns strategy at Brawn was to build the best car based on the double diffuser and he won the WDC and the Constructors with Jenson and Rubens, now I am a big fan of both of them but they have never been the best of the best. Given Mercedes followed a similar strategy, this time driven by engine regs and building a superior car, it does beg the question why do they need a Lewis? When the top drivers such as Lewis or Fernando (Seb in the last 4 years) win it’s usually down to them and for them, not for their paymasters. Mercedes winning the WDC with Nico Rosberg has surely got to be better publicity for the car manufacturer than with Lewis. Lewis back to Machonda as a clear number 1 and JB back to Brawn/Merc for a few more podiums and the odd win?

  152. Tex says:

    Cannot believe the ‘tsunami’ of armchair / TV watching, expert, blinkered, (often vitriolic) fan (fanatic) comm’s that are still maintaining the rage re: “racing thru a corner incident”. (The comment: “if Rosberg didn’t cut Hamilton’s tyre on purpose”… surely must be part a comedy script?! )
    Strangely, many the same posters seem to be long time moaners about F-1 being boring, blar, blar, this ‘n’ that…. AND, they’ve whinned, not enough over-take moves & cornering duels…Go figga?!
    Having long followed/involved car racing (’66 as a 9 yo in Aussie by way the exploits of [recent] late, great Black Jack Brabham…in his all conquering championship[s] year) I reckon like dog-nuts, many today’s fans (especially the fanatics) ‘stand out’ as thinking the sport only ‘began’ when they ‘began’ watching it. Clearly, many display little idea of what the sport is actually about ~ let alone it’s long history. Do yourselves a favour, check out some F-1 history…Good place to start?.. Search the Jack Brabham era & onwards…much revealed re the cars, technology (of the day) and, not least the skills, tricks & cunning tactics he & his cronies got up to (INCLUDING CORNER DUELS!) in their quest for the chequered flag & garland. (whatever happened to the podium winners garland ?!.. bring that back, no?) Anyhoo….Point is, high speed, close quarter duels to win a corner have long been dangerous, often contentious & not an exact science …way more so back in the day. History shows a driver with the coco-nut’s, confidence &/or intimidation bravado/skills will often roll the dice on a high risk move. Same driver can, in a nano second, go from a ‘brave hero driver’ to ‘couldn’t drive a greasy stick up a dead dogs clakker’. This no more, no less than what happened at Spa with ROS & HAM.

    1. Thompson says:

      Things have changed a bit Tex, back in the day you’d be stood there shouting your opinion across a bar beer and nuts flying out of your mouth.

      Sunday night, maybe Monday morning at work and that’s it.

      Welcome to the internet…..

      Ps in brabhams day what Rosberg did could have ended in tragady – dirty tricks ain’t what they use to be.

  153. speedy_bob says:

    So let’s see if we can cherry-pick an element from this story:
    Fans and media have been complaining a lack of character with the current crop of F1 drivers. They supposedly lack charisma and stick to the company line too much.

    Now we have this HAM-ROS saga developping and some people go on message boards stating Mercedes ”should have better managed these drivers” and that a professional organisation should not allow these things to ”go public”. That the drivers should be pro’s and not make comments in the media.

    I can only hope it isn’t the same group of people. ;-)

    I find myself appreciating Mercedes’ approach and the nuances Toto brings to the table please me. I admit I was surprised hearing Wolff criticising Rosberg that soon after the race. But instead of claiming I know better then him, I suppose he knew/knows more of the state of his drivers then I. When the incident happpened, I found myself wondering if there was intent, and more importantly, to what extent. After 5 mor elaps, I was happy the stewards seemed to call it a racing incident (if intent can’t be proven, guilt is often not assigned)

    I still refuse to call this ”crashing into HAM” and I do support the nuances all parties have brought to the table. I cannot shake off the impression HAM is just a little bit less equipped to understand the nuances some people bring forth.
    Sometimes people want to see things black&white and when in that mode, nuances are lost. I do believe HAM was in this mode on Sunday evening. Although it’s nice we, as fans, are treated to more then just the PR-talk, it still/also bugs me HAM just openly communicates what was clearly a talk behind closed doors. Reminded everyone of the Jenson telemetry sheet 2 years ago.

    Anyone with half an understanding of the situation, understands Mercedes can’t simply lock both drivers in a room and not let them out before things are ”solved”. If that is how some people thing you can’t handle things, I just pray they are not in any managerial role IRL.

    I’m able to empathise with both drives and the team. People stating this is all unprofessional behaviour of all these people (making absurd statements like ”Merc should send someone over from HQ to clean up this mess and fire some people left and right”) should first define what they WANT to see in professional sports. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not advocating more of this stuff, but in a few years time, 2014 will probably be looked back upon as an epic battle, just as the ’89-’90 years.

    Yes, there is damage to F1 on one side, but on other sides it also makes F1 more interesting and probably lures in/back more viewers. I’m still in dubio about whether this is want I want in F1, but on the other hand it makes for a fascinating experience.
    So I guess I want the conflicts and the ”seeing the masks fall off”, but all of this still in a relative grown-up fashion please. Not in black&white, simplistic analysis, but rather in-depth character evaluations and analysis.

    We have to admit we’re getting to know ROS much better this year. I applaud the drama, but at the same time I’m afraid it (or it’s coverage) will result in too much B&W subjectivity.

    Meanwhile; is Bernie rubbing his hands since all the focus is no longer on him but on this rather spicy story that is defining the 2014 season? I guess so.
    Will more people show up in Monza since we now have a genuine battle at the front?
    Will ratings go up now? (I always watch, so I’m not qualified to judge if more people will take an intrest now) ;-)

    1. James Allen says:

      Monza viewing figures will be HUGE

  154. Richard says:

    People who think Lewis should have done something different should read David Coulthard’s comments on the BBC website, and take note that Jensen Button’s sympathies are with Lewis Hamilton. – And I re-iterate he did nothing wrong at all by following his normal racing line as he had the corner by some margin. The incident was entire, without question, Nico Rosberg’s fault.

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      @ richard…funny that…they are all british!!!!

      1. Richard says:

        Yes they are all British, and in Britain we believe in fair play! You on the other hand are well known to be part of the anti-Hamilton brigade.

      2. TimW says:

        Niki Lauda and Toto Wolff aren’t British Kenneth, can you come up with the name of a proper F1 expert who agrees with your assessment that Lewis and Nico are equally to blame for the collision? I can give you a very long list of drivers, ex drivers, team personnel and journalists from all nationalities who think it was 100% Nico’s fault. Have you considered the possibility that you might just be wrong about this one?

      3. NickH says:

        @ Ricahrd. There’s no point arguing mate, Kenneth just despises anyone British. He must not have a very good grasp regarding the rules of F1 as most people (current + ex drivers + experienced journalists) view it as entirely Rosbergs fault, which it was. Vettel had a wiser head and took to the escape road in exactly the same maneuver because he has a brain in him, and knew that move was totally not on unless you want to crash into someone

      4. kenneth chapman says:

        @ richard…my response to your comment seems to have vanished! regards the fair play issue….check out your beloved chris broad et al? i am also a self confessed non card carrying acolyte of hamilton. never have been and most likely never will be.

        based on his accomplishments i fail to see why he is accorded such hero worship. i choose not to fall into those ranks for that very reason. i do not like his whinging and whining and his self indulgent look at me attitude. we all have our likes and dislikes and as far as i know we are still free to express them. i do not hide from what i say.

        @ tim W…. oh, thanks so much for the enlightenment. i would never have know about the nationality of the mercedes duo, danke schon. in case you missed it [obvious really] my comment re ‘british’ was a direct link to the comments made by david coulthard and jenson button. last time i looked they were both british!!! DC may not be in the future but that is another story. as for ‘others’ who may share my view, which you have put up for challenge might i suggest that simply look long and hard at who made the decision that it was ‘a racing incident’? the race stewards. they are the final arbiters. yes you are free to disagree with their decision but what you think, in all sincerity, means diddly squat, in the totality of it all. in fact what i think matters little as well. unfortunately for you, in this case, you are wrong.

        @ nick H…. you say that i ‘despise’ the british. what a sensitive petal. i lived on and off in the UK for very many years and thoroughly enjoyed my time. the people were great and accepting of our original aussie ‘rawness’ and unsophistication’ ‘which was greatly appreciated at the time. my throwaway line re the ‘british was a comment aimed mainly at the tabloid/fleet st style of journalistic hooliganism that shamelessly promotes a jingoistic approach par excellence. we are all, to varying levels, nationalistic. i am not ashamed to say so but i also look to temper my enthusiasm when faced with facts. that is something that the most profound hamilton supporters refuse to do. have a very nice day.

      5. TimW says:

        Kenneth, your right the stewards (after a whole 10 seconds of analysis) called it a racing incident, but this doesn’t mean that it wasn’t Nico’s fault, just that they didn’t think it was intentional. Rosberg caused this accident and caused Lewis’s retirement, clumsy or by design it was his fault. I notice you haven’t managed to come up with an expert who doesn’t hold Nico responsible for the accident and also have no explanation for the team obviously blaming Rosberg. Frankly the fact that you chose to dodge the question asked and instead come up with a few insulting comments doesn’t surprise me.

      6. kenneth chapman says:

        @ tim w……i received your response in my inbox but it doesn’t appear here in the thread. as for suggestion re ‘creditable support for rosberg’ have you actually see eric boulliers latest statement on this issue? i have at all times supported the proposition that it was a ‘racing incident’ boullier thinks the same, the FIA stewards think the same. that’s good enough for me and all your blather re support for hamilton is nothing more than typical british bluster.

        consider this, what is a racing incident? it is two cars coming together where there is an element of doubt as to was right and who was wrong. as i have designated in previous posts, a degree of ‘mutual negligence’ could be extrapolated. it could also be a un fortuitous coming together with absolutely no malice aforethought. that is also a possibility.

        what you can’t get your head around is that those facts are what really matters and nothing that i or anyone else can say will change your mind. i should just like to remind you of another fact to consider ‘john bull is an outmoded concept and the sun set on the british empire sometime around 1947′

        have a very nice day.

      7. Thompson says:

        Lol…me thinks the lady dwith protest too much.

      8. kenneth chapman says:

        @ thompson…what an intelligent reponse. however, moving on, in discussion with a few other F1 like minded souls it was put forward as to what would’ve be the response if the other driver was jenson button? now that is an interesting question. would the same level of vitriol/abuse etc heaped on rosberg be heaped on button?

        the british concept of ‘fair play’ was also discussed and showed to be a fanciful myth. i have also highlighted this fact relative to the skipper of the british lions cricket team when he admitted that after the innings was closed that he was out at the crease, caught behind but refused to walk? fair play. we then also have the singular disgusting display of cheating by shumacher when he parked his car at the rascasse. now i don’t recall ross brawn calling him out, do you? if you do find the evidence i will happily acknowledge it.

        i am sure that if i had the time and the inclination i could possibly come up with many more examples but this particular issue i feel has now run its course. time to move on to monza and the next chapter. looking forward to it immensely.

      9. TimW says:

        Ok Kenneth, this is getting silly now, the John Bull reference is really just the most bizarre thing I have heard you say, maybe your right, maybe Lewis should have let Nico through, maybe Mercedes are wrong to blame Nico for causing the crash, and maybe Lewis does actually deserve criticism for being punted out of the lead of the race. My final ever comment to you is this, if Lewis had nerfed Daniel out of the lead of a gp in exactly the same circumstances, would you be all over this site saying, just a racing incident, Daniel could have left more room, takes two to tango etc.

      10. James Allen says:

        End of thread thanks – Mod

      11. kenneth chapman says:

        @ timW….i still can’t find your latest response in this thread so i will post here as i don’t want you to think that i have dodged the points you raised.

        just to recap then….you challenged me to find people who share the same response to mine. well i told you that boullier had said it was a ‘racing incident’ and now alain prost has adopted the exact same analysis, it was a ‘racing incident’. now there are two people who i would listen to but maybe you wouldn’t. so what?

        as for my throwaway line re ‘john bull’, well i thought that a learned person like you would read into that as being ‘light hearted’ comment? no? i could also have said that the days of ‘sending gunboats up the yangste’ was also outmoded but, hey, once was enough.

        to cap it all, you transpose the characters and replace hamilton with ricciardo and given that transposition, how would i react? well i wouldn’t like it but if it was a ‘racing incident. then i would go with that. everyone has their own opinions but when it comes to the stewards decisions i always revert to what i learnt a long time ago. the stewards have access to an incredible amount of data upon which to rely on for their judgments. something you and i will never ever have. i rely on their expertise to make the best possible decision. as pirro said metaphorically, that it only took a few seconds to arrive at their decision. that should give you some idea as to how simple the whole incident was.

        as i said before….roll on monza. with luck neither of the mercedes will finsh!!!!!

      12. TimW says:

        Ok Kenneth fair enough, like I said it all got a bit silly back there, as it is a day for apologies, I will join in and say sorry to the poor old mods who have to wade through all this nonsense and to you Kenneth if I got a bit personal.

      13. kenneth chapman says:

        @ timW….all is quite cool and i enjoyed the debate. what i am looking forward to now is the last seven races and the inevitable outcome which should by all expectations be somewhat ‘explosive’ hahha

      14. TimW says:

        yep should be a good run in, i hope it all stays clean from now on.

  155. warley says:

    Poor old Mercedes really have got their lederhosen in a twist! The Mercedes board will not tolerate shambolic management (not the German way!) and probably won’t tolerate publicly squabbling drivers for very long. For now the existing personnel have to try to limit the damage. Longer term I am guessing that next year that Toto will be back in the ‘Marketing’ department and if still in place Niki will be gagged! A longer shot is that one of the present two drivers will not be there either and I would say that they would chose to keep the one who wins the WDC with the other being sidelined with a ‘Kimi’ payment however embarrasing that might be in the short term. They would then bring in another driver contractually obliged to do as they were told – probably told by Paddy who will have to start exerting some authority at some point!

    This year Mercedes have a huge advantage and the WDC is a formality but next year we can expect at least Renault and Ferrari to close the advantage with engine improvements and with two squabbling drivers next year they might not win the WDC. Given the amount of effort Mercedes have put into achieving superiority that would not go down at all well in Stuttgart!

    1. Richard says:

      One cannot help feeling that Ross Brawn would have manage the team differently, and more effectively. Ross had that quiet authority that I much admire, and I doubt things would have developed anything like this far. I also think he would have kept Rosberg in check rather than letting him take advantage of the German parentage as he has. By that I suspect he considers he can get away with more under the current leadership. Well Mercedes need to be careful as Ricciardo is steadily making his way forward and he would make a very good champion as he is a clean and fair racer like Hamilton, and Alonso.

      1. Archie says:

        “One cannot help feeling that Ross Brawn would have manage the team differently”

        Of course and we saw it last year, starting with team order against Rosberg :-(

        Blessedly Brawn is just going fishing now!

  156. Phil says:

    I think Rosberg simply made a mistake. He realised the move wasn’t on and was attempting to feed back in behind Hamilton (without losing anything to Vettel) and simply misjudged it.

    There is no way he would deliberately hit Hamilton like that. In contact like that he is pretty much guaranteed to lose his front wing which could have detached and gone under his front wheels. The chances of causing a puncture to Hamilton are not so high (maybe 40%?). Remember the wings are designed specifically to reduce the likelihood of causing punctures. Why would Rosberg do something where the risk to him is much greater than the benefits and knowing full well that the Merc team would go beserk at him for causing contact between the cars?

    There is no way Rosberg could have accurately predicted the outcome of this incident. It could quite easily have resulted in a DNF for Rosberg and race win for Hamilton. It just doesn’t make sense that he would do it deliberately.

    In my view, he made a mistake and was lucky enough to benefit from it massively. Not a cheat just a very lucky clumsy racer.

    Regarding his post race comments, I think rather than simply own up to it and say, ‘Sorry, I screwed up’, he is taking the opportunity to try and get inside Hamilton’s head by suggesting that he was ‘making a point’. He’s just trying to turn this incident further to his advantage by making Hamilton think twice when they go wheel to wheel. This is just pure psychological warfare. He’s trying to turn a weakness to his advantage.

    1. Richard says:

      On the contrary a light touch would merely damage his front wing end plate but almost certainly puncture Hamilton’s tyre. Perhaps it wasn’t a rational decision simply red mist decending still simmering from what happened in Hungary, and not liked being beaten from the start.

  157. Bello says:


    I think it is probably a little easier for Nico to say they need to move on, he got his 18pts, Lewis won’t be getting his 25pts. I find it strange how people expect Lewis to react/respond to situations in the same manner as Nico considering Lewis’ misfortunes.

    Nico can remain silent if he wishes to, he isn’t doing it for the good of Mercedes, he’s doing it for himself and why not. Lewis has lost so many points, losing potentially 25pts in the first race was a big blow but he came back fighting. Everytime he lost out he came back fighting only to lose his points the following week through no fault of his own. Lewis was quite calm during his post race interviews at Spa, it was after the meeting that he exploded. Toto also said Nico said Nico wanted to prove a point, he chose not to back off. Surely Lewis’ reaction after the meeting would greatly differ to Nicos? Nico has issued no apology after this admission.

    Also Nicos actions cannot be justified by saying, he got fed up of Lewis pushing him around, Lewis has said a lot of rubbish in the media about him, the management aren’t listening to him. Proving a point on track by being dangerous cannot be justified, whether Lewis was involved or not. The collision can be seen as a racing incident and that Nico didn’t go out to get him before the race, that’s fine, an opinion, the issue is, and what I believe many are forgetting, is that Nico could have backed out but didn’t want to to prove a point. So this thing about Lewis whinging, crying and moaning that things didn’t go his way…..well firstly they didn’t so don’t expect a smile and two the guy that wanted to prove a point, knowing he could have backed off was his team mate, his main rival and got 18pts to his 0pts.

    I find it quite sad that drivers are ‘expected’ to behave in a certain way, even when they have been very hard done by. Just because Nico keeps things to himself doesn’t make it the correct way, he could be lying and smiling behind doors and no one sees it, yet everyone is giving him the benefit of the doubt. The way Lewis is responding doesn’t make it the correct way neither but sometimes I think some F1 fans need to step back and look at the situation objectively:

    Lewis was racing his team mate. Regardless of who could have given room to whom, in Nicos mind it wasn’t ‘just’ racing, he wanted to prove a point no matter what the consequence. The repercussions could have been far worse where someone could have been hurt. You can’t expect Lewis to come out of the meeting, thinking straight, not being shocked and angry. Yes Nico didn’t blab but he wasn’t the one who had to listen to fact that it could have been avoided. I may get a reply saying Lewis could have avoided it too but it didn’t just turn out to be a move to get ahead, it turned out to be a move to prove a point regardless of the outcome.

  158. Jock Ulah says:

    @James Allen –
    Red-faced (from mirth?) and
    Under duress (so many ‘opinions’ to mod?)

    I guess you have known for some time that this blog has a life of its own, quite apart from its marginal reliance on F1. ‘Understanding’ the stories is a minor part of the game – your site’s primary social aim is to provide a spleen-venting platform for Mr. Vox Pop with his short attention span and conspiracy-driven mentality.

    Not only have you stood on the shoulders of Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung but you have extended their reach immeasurably.

    You are to be commended, sir!

  159. Benjamin says:

    Nice is nothing but a WOLF in sheep cloth … He dont deserve to win, As a human he really sucks.

  160. Richard says:

    From time to time I find the odd exclamation mark in my comments Mr. Allen! Well let me be clear. Rosberg has gone on record within an internal meeting to say the manoeuvre was deliberate. That much is self evident regardless of what the consequences within the race were. The only thing not known is Rosberg’s intent, and he is hardly going to admit to some thing so damming. I do therefore re-iterate it is the second time that Hamilton has been disadvantaged by Rosberg’s mistakes. I leave it for your readers to decide what they want ot believe, but personally I don’t believe in those sort of co-incidences. Furthermore this sort of thing would be entirely unacceptable in any other sport so why is it allowed to continue in F1?

    1. Mike A says:

      Of course the attempted overtaking manoeuvre was deliberate, like all the manoeuvres by all the drivers in the race. It would be strange if they just went out there and drove around with no particular thoughts in mind.

      So what about all the times LH (and all the other drivers) has hit someone in the past, were they not deliberate manoeuvres?

      1. Richard says:

        The difference here is that they are competing for the championship not incidental contact, furthermore Hamilton owns up to his mistakes which Rosberg does not. I’m not suggesting they do drive air brained, but this was a highly dangerous manoeuvre and one Rosberg had no hope of carrying through.

  161. SR says:

    This is what happens when you fire a team principal like Ross Brawn. Mercedes cannot handle their 2 drivers the way Brawn could/would have. It is highly unlikely that Mercedes will lose either of the titles due to the infighting. The car is way too superior for that. But its giving everyone else a teeny bit of hope and that is good for racing.

  162. Paul Lewis says:

    Seems to me the only true punishment Mercedes can give Rosberg is to bench him for Monza and stick a replacement driver in for the weekend to get points for the constructors.

    Step forward PAUL DI RESTA!!!

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      @ paul lewis….surely you are jesting? apart from the total irrationality of your summary to suggest di resta as a substitute would be the joke of the year.

      1. Paul Lewis says:

        tongue firmly in cheek!

      2. Richard says:

        On the contrary that seems a sensible suggestion. Rosberg needs pinning back, and Mercedes management need to “make a point”. A replacement driver for a race or two would go someway to curring Rosberg’s antics. Di Resta would make a fine substitute.

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        @ paul lewis…all cool, my mistake re TIC.

  163. Simon says:

    I can’t believe you guys are still crapping on about this.

    Nico made a mistake and clipped the back of Lewis… happens all the time in motor racing. Every driver in the field has made the exact same mistake at some point.

    On to the next race…

    1. Dave says:

      I think the problem in this case Simon is that Merc are fueling their own fire with all the inflammatory comments made in public.

      Blame them!

    2. Richard says:

      If Nico had held his hands up and said sorry guy’s I made a mistake that would have been the end of it, but he didn’t on the contrary he adamantly said it was deliberate, and he was making a point. This was more than just a simple mistake.

  164. Shri says:

    On of their key Sponsor is not happy with such incident and has made a public statement – means a lot.

    There must be a lot of pressure on Toto to act.

    It would also be reasonable to assume Mercedes will be unhappy and Lauda be given a message to handle the situation better.

    Going forward, I expect to see interference from the pit wall. Certainly would mean a loss to the racing fans if it happens.

    From the current points difference it could mean Advantage Rosberg but who knows (points difference is large but still one DNF/bad race and suddenly it equals out).

    1. Richard says:

      I’m interested to read the sponsors comments where is it please?

  165. aveli says:

    after monaco 2014, i suggested that hamilton should not trust rosberg and shouldn’t allow him anywhere near his drinks bottle. since then it has been messy. rosberg could’ve paid one of hamilton’s fitters not sabotage his brakes and fuel lines.
    mercedes should offer him a pay rise in return for him racing fairly against his teammate.

  166. Anthony says:


    Much of the coverage has focussed on the internal problems at Mercedes, but I’m curious to know if Nico will get any comeback from other teams/drivers as a result of this incident? Deliberate or not, he ruined Massa’s race, cost Williams points, and the debris placed other drivers at risk too.

    Equally i’m a little surprised stewards didn’t investigate on the day (or later) and that there wasn’t a safety car to deal with the debris. Does this signal a much deeper change in policy on Charlie and the stewards respective parts? Perhaps the feeling is that race management was becoming too much of the race day story.

    1. jhynesadmin says:

      Interesting point on the choice not to investigate and a shift in emphasis. Since the Canadian GP there has been an agreement between Charlie and the teams that the stewards are being less punitive. This was, we believe, agreed by he and teams at working group level. Charlie spoke about the understanding to media at the British GP saying: “I have had lots of positive feedback from people at the initiative that has been taken.
      “What the initiative says is that unless the stewards feel that a driver is wholly or predominantly to blame, no further action will be warranted. Therefore, it’s still a decision of the stewards; the stewards are the ones who decide whether they think a driver was wholly to blame. Where it’s clear to everybody that there is no driver clearly to blame the matter won’t go to the stewards, it won’t go as far as summoning the drivers to explain what happened. There will simply be no further action. We’ll see how it goes. However, when this came up in the Formula One Commission, where everyone felt it was a good way to proceed, I had to point out that we usually only act on matters we are asked to take look at, so it’s up to the teams to make sure they don’t ask us to investigate small incidents as well. We all have to play our part.”

  167. Agent Orange says:

    Interesting statement by PETRONAS.

    The terse nature of the statement could be seen that internally major sponsors already have a conflict with the teams ethos of letting the drivers race and are fearful of the WDC being lost – no matter how unlikely.

    Was Totto’s anger as a direct result of him given assurances to the sponsors that his drivers understood the risks and would not continue to impact each others races?

    Is this the start of Wolf being forced to issue team orders?

  168. Wes says:

    Hi James, just a couple of points: Rosberg looked very uncomfortable on the podium, a real reaction from fans and driver so a plus for this way of conducting interviews to top 3! nico will think twice now about close racing not because of this incident but he has a large points advantage. I think the issue of management is not in whats said on pit wall or in pre or post race meetings its who you hire as your drivers and making it plainly obvious to both early on (Ross in Malaysia 2013) who you favour otherwise they are always going to race!

  169. Bernard says:

    Rosberg’s true colours are showing and his persistently nonchalant public facade is damaging his credibility. He is careering down a very unsporting path and clearly lacking the ability to defend his views. He also keeps referring to the ‘code’ yet he himself has driven exactly the same way as have all the drivers, across all of motor sport.

    Jennie Gow: “Do you feel you have anything to apologise to Lewis for?”

    Nico Rosberg: “Erm, I don’t want to go into such details at the moment because I haven’t seen it.”

    Jennie Gow: “Has it damaged your reputation and if it has do you even care?”

    Nico Rosberg: “As I say, I respect peoples opinions you know so I do care, I just ask that people who are going to judge the situation prepare themselves well before they make a judgement, which mean read the regulations for example, because that is very, very important before somebody is able to make a judgement on such an incident. You need to know what is allowed and what isn’t allowed in terms of our ‘code of conduct’ you know.”

    Jennie Gow: “So what are you saying is and isn’t allowed? For people who don’t have a copy of the code with them, what are you pointing out?”

    Nico Rosberg: “Ermm. [long pause] No I dont want to point out any specific details but I just ask that of people you know and then if they’re still of the opinion that I was in the wrong, the few people, then err I will respect that.”


    The situation as it stands now is making Mercedes and Formula One the laughing stock of international sport. Rosberg now only has to win in Abu Dhabi to secure the championship, even if Hamilton wins the next 6.

    Read that again, Hamilton could now end the season 11 wins to 5 and still lose. How’s that for fairness.

  170. finster says:

    Could it be this feud has been seething since Lewis was hired by Merc. Nico has been there since day one. Lewis is signed on at a much higher salary. I wonder how many times Nico has asked himself “WTF?”.

    1. Thompson says:

      This makes sense.

      Which makes rosbergs resigning odd.

      Details have never been forth coming regards the financial agreement and makes me wonder if now after all has been agreed he is not happy.

      Hamilton may still be on considerably more and this could be the root of his discontent – all the other stuff is just stuff.

      Don’t get me wrong this much detail has nothing to do with us but considering before spa all the positives in Rosbergs life – New contract, marriage but still dissatisfaction, building tension over the break


  171. Chya says:

    Nico made a bad judgement call, I don’t think there’s any doubt about that. However you want to phrase it is just semantics, and if you want to compare rap sheets including both reprimands and ‘got away with’, Lewis comes out far, far worse overall so let’s not go there.

    The part that really surprises me is not that Nico made that bad call, but that it took him this long to lose the plot enough to make that scale of bad judgement. Lewis has mounted a sustained campaign of bullying – innuendo, personal slights, manipulation and half-truths – in the media, and on track it’s been largely Nico taking avoiding action to preserve the cars, not Lewis who has on occasion relied on Nico yielding to preserve the cars. I don’t blame or criticise Lewis for any of this here – he’s known to be a brilliant but aggressive driver, so to ask him to preserve the cars was always unrealistic, and psychological warfare is part of the sport.

    I do blame Mercedes though. They’ve made their own bed, I think. Nico is known to be a team player who tows the company line, and on track looks after his car, and I think Mercedes took that for granted and didn’t manage him at all because personnel problems have never really come from his side of the garage before. And because things were calm last year, they saw no need to put boundaries in place for Lewis, which was naive given his track record with the media at McLaren. So what we have now, is one driver acting out presumably because he feels bullied and betrayed, and the other overtly manipulating the media to get his own way, neither of which can be allowed to continue.

    Mercedes need a strong leader who can manage *both* drivers as well as the rest of the team. Niki is a brilliant man, but he’s not a team leader. By repeating Niki’s critical statement word for word on Sunday, Toto appears to have told us that he is not his own man, and Paddy is a great engineer, but also not a leader.

    Mercedes is doomed right now, which is a crying shame, because they have a fantastic car, a very tight and loyal team at garage level, and two incredibly talented drivers.

    Bring back Ross Brawn, all is forgiven.

  172. goonerf1 says:

    For all the biased opinions being exchanged here, FACT is, with everything taken into account, Ham and Team Management are in the RIGHT, Ros is in the WRONG.

    End of.

  173. goonerf1 says:

    Has anyone considered the precedence the FIA not acting on this type of move now sets?

    F1 could fast descend into a destruction derby.

    The FIA have to act – otherwise drivers can quite legitimately now follow Rosberg’s lead – punctured tyres everywhere, carcasses/debris on the track to boot – BRILLIANTLY!

    Sort it out Charlie/FIA/Stewards. I whole heartedly applaud you for your more relaxed approach to handing out penalties – but this is very poor! No safety car for all the debris on the 180mph entrance to Blanchimont. What if that had flicked up into a drivers helmet, at that speed, doesnt bare thinking about!

    1. aveli says:

      the fia will not act because ecclestone wants rosberg to win the championship this season.
      wolf confirmed that rosberg said he wanted to prove a point. this tells me that it was premeditated and carefully planned for it to be executed so perfectly. rosberg must have planned it soon after the hungarian grand prix . enough evidence of wrong doing but the fia will not act because we have seen this repeated many times for a few seasons now. all they did was to reduce the width of the front wing. i wonder why they don’t just make the tyres tougher.

    2. Jonno says:

      Charlie Whiting has been doing a lot odd things this year. He appears to be allowed to make decisions on his own, viz restarts. I’ve heard he’s likely to leave F1 soon, in my opinion, that should be sooner rather than later.

  174. Rod says:

    It seems to me that all this noise is the work of 2 immature drivers. It’s easy to get in a bad way with Hamilton. He’s aggressive and not very thoughtful.
    Nico is not as fast but he has been luckier; still, his silences and this latest clumsy move take some notches off his total in my opinion.
    Lewis will have to be careful and deliberate in each of the remaining races. Stay away from the other Mercedes and stop fighting… and he will be the champion.

  175. MikeW says:

    Bench the incompetent for the next race, for all the cr*p that LH has put up with from weak management its the least Mercedes could do

  176. aveli says:

    hamilton said during their meeting before the race, wolf told them that they are now free to race which he didn’t understand because they were racing hard before spa anyway. this suggests that wolf knew about rosberg’s intensions leading up to spa. wolf said ‘not on the second lap, he could have waited until later in the race’.

    1. Mike A says:

      Don’t know I bother to reply but you do talk a lot of nonsense!

  177. Michael says:

    If that is the upper end of the quality of Nico’s driving then I would not want to be a driver who is side by side with him in Eau Rouge ala Webber and Alonso. As a driver, you should be able to trust the abilities and integrity of your team mate above all other drivers on the grid in a tight situation. A clumsy move at best, utterly despicable at worst. Nico would be well at home in NASCAR with a move like that.

    1. aveli says:

      he said he did it to prove a point. was wasn’t clumsy he achieved his calculated objective and no one has done anything about it. hamilton will smartly carry on as normal. even if it means driving for caterham. he has already proved his point.

  178. Chya says:

    Here’s a genuine question. Nico’s talking about regulations, and the only thing I can think of that he might be referring to is number of times a driver can move to defend. Anyone know how that currently reads? And anyone know if Lewis might have breached that or not?

  179. AdamJ says:

    Nico is Keke’s son. Keke was a hard b—— behind the wheel and also idolised Prost. Nico seems to be cut from this cloth.

    Lewis is not Ayrton in this scenario, he’s Nigel. A fast talented moaning chip on his shoulder guy who wants to be up there with the greats but can’t quite make it. Also a lucky 1 time champ.

    I bet Nico’s Dad tells him all about how he dealt with Nigel ;-)

    1. aveli says:

      i suspect the mercedes bosses are in on it because according to hamilton they said they can now race at a meeting before the race in spa but they’ve been racing all season. hamilton said he was surprised that the bosses said they could now race.
      hamilton is hamilton and no one else. he has proved his driving abilities and his integrity. nothing more to prove. if they don’t want him in f1, there other racing series around the world he can take part in. he refuses to be bullied, just like montoya.

      1. Thomas says:

        I totally agree. Mercedes are in on it. They’ve used Lewis to get the balance of the car set up from his previous skills at McClaren. Mercedes just want a German champion. If Nico wins it, nobody will respect him or Mercedes.

  180. aveli says:

    hard evidence, rosberg on a full lock to the right towards hamilton approach a left hand corner which bends away from hamilton. if he wanted to pass why could he not have kept his steering straight at least? this was premeditated.

  181. Hebes says:

    Great to see the totally balanced and fair article by David Coulthard on BBC yesterday. Absolutely spot on in my view, calls it as it is without prejudice. Moving forward, the bad news for Hamilton is that Rosberg has clearly grown a ruthless if not expedient streak in his bid to be world champion (Monaco was the moment), is fast when there are no drivers around him and has his emotions better under control. Hamilton needs to get his in check, and channel his justifiable anger better to start putting himself on pole. Rosberg is clearly harbouring some resentment so can be unsettled, and the pressure will grow on him as he’s expected to win now, especially if Hamilton gets in front. Monza is massive.

    1. forzaminardi says:

      Agreed – DC pretty much echoes my view that Rosberg basically was a bit clumsy in trying to get tough, and that Hamilton was clumsy in a different way spouting off to the media.

      The most interesting aspect to the whole incident is Lauda and Wolff’s rather blunt assessment of the situation. Rosberg ought accept responsibility for the bump in Belgium but equally he might well wonder why the environment that made him feel compelled to drive as he did has been allowed to be created.

      1. Hebes says:

        I agree DC is right its unlikely Rosberg intended to the collision, but what he did was certainly deliberate i.e. he intended to hustle into Hamilton’s space as he himself admitted (which we know thanks to Lewis!). So in some ways he wasn’t clumsy at all, he was actually very calculating although events probably went further than he intended. I suppose that leaves the issue as to whether he was out of order, personally I think the accident was certainly his mistake and he should have put his hands up. On the top of the Monaco affair, I think he is showing that he is prepared to take additional measures to out-manoeuvre Hamilton to win the title – I can understand why, but he needs to be prepared to accept the consequences for the way people view him inside and outside the sport.

        Hamilton is no saint himself of course, and definitely has sharp elbows when people are trying to overtake him, but I cannot see Hamilton doing the same thing, because I don’t think he thinks that way and above all because it would be tantamount to admitting he is not as good a driver as his opposite number, which he would never do! Mind you, if I were Hamilton, I would be thinking about changing my approach now!

  182. goonerf1 says:

    I don’t see how Nico can harbour any resentment.

    As far as I’m aware, and please correct me if I’m wrong, he is referring to Bahrain and Hungary.

    In both of these races, and at no point, did Nico have the corner in any of those moves. Not around the outside of turn 2 in Hungary, and not around the outside of turns in Bahrain either. He got down the inside once in Bahrain, but then proceeded to outbrake himself.

    If Nico does not have the corner, then as the driver behind, it is up to him to concede the corner to the driver ahead. This is racing etiquette.

    Just because you are alongside, does not entitle you to the corner. If a car ahead of you, takes the racing line before you do, any collision is your fault.

    Indeed, even if you alongside. If you are far enough alongside, Hamilton cannot “close the door” on you. The fact that he did, by definition says that he could, which by definition says that Nico was never in a position to secure those moves in the first place.

    Therefore he should fall behind and return to the racing line, to plan his next attempt and try again next time.

    Nico is without doubt an intelligent bloke. This does not make him an intelligent racing driver.

    Yes Hamilton has been hard in all circumstances, but according to the rules, he has also been fair.

    That may not be how Nico sees it via his own rule book, but we are not racing under Nico’s rules.

    Nico has taken the law into his own hands, this cannot be allowed!

    But then having said that, I’m not really sure what rules we are racing under, considering some of the appauling decisions being made.

    Queensbury rules maybe?

  183. kn says:

    Which would we rather see…. this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPnP_H7a-ew or THISSS


    Oh right that’s Kimi talking about Lewis smashing into him in the pit lane. Straight to the point. I’d rather watch the latter. Watching a grown man cry is not my idea of enjoyable.

    1. darren says:

      Your spot on. I was one of Lewis Hamilton’s biggest fans and admirers. Then a few races into this season I thought to myself that this guy has completely lost his mind and could do with some psychiatric counseling. What happened to that bright, always chin up character. Now he behaves like a spoiled brat who feels he is owed so much. His attitude is despicable, Martin Brundle said what an awesome drive from the pit lane and shrugs his shoulders and walks off. Dude go F— yourself. It is becoming tiring to watch you. Crying to the cameras, its an oscar he should get. I’m just so sorry for the team, please dude spare us. H.A.M. till the day I die, yeah great acronym for young kids. I believe he holds himself on such a pedestal that he has started to believe all the shit his posey now tell him. Sour grapes, you are being beaten far and square

  184. Hugh says:

    Was Hamilton retired just before he was going to be lapped?

  185. Robert says:

    To all the Nico fans or anti-Lewis supportors:

    I would say, it’s not even about supporting Lewis or supporting Nico, but I think everyone should just weigh up all the obvious evidence!

    The obvious ones are that both Toto Wolff and Niki Lauda blamed Nico and were extremely anger! And most fair top drivers including Jenson Button put the blame on Nico! So we know these kind of biased so called ‘journalists’ will write any rubbish just cause a stirl!

    Anyhow, I have been watching the video of the Belgium collision over and over, and clearly Nico never had even half a car length next to Lewis’s car at any point, and not only should Nico had aborted the move, he also didn’t need to cut back so quickly and so hard behind Lewis to make that corner! I don’t know what everyone else is watching, but to me, Nico’s second turn-in of his steering was deliberately more harder, earlier, and ‘more deliberate’ than necessary! In my opinion, Nico did it on purpose knowing that it was likely Lewis would have a puncture, which is obviously worst than losing a piece of end-plate on his own front wing!
    The truth of the matter is, and Lewis heard it from the horse’s mouth which was ‘confirmed’ by a Mercedes ‘spokesman’, Nico ‘did on purpose’ ‘to prove a point’! Nico gambled because he was already 11 points in front of Lewis, and he won his gamble and is now 29 points in front (he really wanted to win and be 36 points in front)!!! As one steward said, it’s was a ‘cunning’ drive/move (you would expect from a ruthless driver, or what I would call unsporting or ‘cheating’)!

    And honestly, I don’t know how the steward can even call a 10 second review of the Belgium collision to be a fair review because we’re talking about title contenders, not Alonso and Magnussen or someone else down the field, and also it’s very high stakes now, as we are closing nearer to the conclusion of the Championship!!!
    I hope the stewards at all future races will take this more seriously, I really do, because in my opinion, if the ones at Belgium did their jobs ‘more thoroughly’, then perhaps now, none of us would feel the results there were as ‘unfair’ as it was!?

  186. Sergio says:

    The worst thing for a F1 driver right now: to be HAM team mate & to be competitive.


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