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Nico Rosberg extended his World Championship lead over Lewis Hamilton to 29 points by heading a Mercedes one-two at the Austrian Grand Prix as they battled Williams for race victory, with Valtteri Bottas taking a career best third place – his first Formula One podium.

It is the sixth victory of Rosberg’s career, his third of 2014 and the sixth 1-2 of the season for Mercedes.

“I have to thank the team for a great car and a perfect strategy, ” said Rosberg. “We chose the aggressive way to pit earlier and to overtake the Williams that way and that worked out quite well. We had to look after our brakes, which was a big job for the whole race. Also this worked out perfectly for me. Before the weekend, my target was to extend the lead in the championship, which I achieved.

For Hamilton it was a missed opportunity, as he paid the price for two errors in qualifying which meant he was in damage limitation mode. He clearly felt he was the faster Mercedes driver this weekend, but he came away with a greater deficit to his team mate.

If the results have a familiar feel, the way the win was attained was less dominant than others; the Red Bull Ring proved a tougher challenge as the Williams pair of Bottas and Felipe Massa had terrific pace in qualifying and the race.

The men from Williams maintained their qualifying positions throughout the first stint, keeping Rosberg and the fast-starting Hamilton at bay for the first stint of the race.


From ninth on the grid Hamilton looked set for a tricky day around the tight circuit with minimal overtaking chances. A quick start saw him exit the first corner in sixth place, before using the tow of Kevin Magnussen to take fifth place and begin his pursuit of Fernando Alonso, which was a short one.

After attempting the move in to turn three, the Briton was able to make the move at the penultimate corner and immediately find himself on the tail of his team-mate.

The top four remained unchanged in the opening stint and with Rosberg holding Hamilton up as the Williams duo edged away Pirelli’s super-soft tyre was coming to the end of its life on the hottest day of the weekend.

With Rosberg the first to pit for a change to the soft compound tyre on lap eleven and Hamilton following suit a lap later their order remained unchanged, but the same could not be said for Williams. Instead of shadowing Mercedes’ strategy they opted to stay on the super-softs for a further two laps before pitting race leader Felipe Massa.

The Brazilian exited the pits behind Rosberg and was quickly demoted one more as Hamilton tried to keep on the back of his team-mate. When Bottas pitted a lap later, with a stationery time of 2.1 seconds, the Finn was able to return to the circuit ahead of Hamilton and Massa.


As the group looked to continue their battle, they closed in on new race leader Sergio Perez, who started the race on the soft tyre and was running a longer first stint as part of a counter strategy which took him from 15th to 6th at the end.

The Mexican maintained the race lead for a further fifteen laps with little pressure coming from Rosberg, but when the Championship leader finally made the move on lap thirty-three he was able to put some distance between himself and his pursuers.

With the move made at turn two, Bottas quickly made his was past the Force India also and the race for victory began.

Rosberg initially pulled a 1.5s lead and looked set to power away as Hamilton could not pass Bottas, only for a mistake by Rosberg to close the three together, with Massa dropping back.

With Rosberg’s composure regained he re-established his cushion over Bottas as the race passed the halfway stage and the second set of pit stops approached.

Hamilton was the first of the leaders to pit in the hope of under-cutting Bottas and creating another Mercedes one-two. A slow stop of four seconds seemed to hamper his chances of doing so as Rosberg pitted a lap later and had extended his lead. As Bottas made his second and final change on lap fourty-two, two after Hamilton, second place was snatched from his grasp after Hamilton set a new fastest lap and took the position.

Now within the final thirty laps of the seventy-one lap Grand Prix, the race was in a more familiar scenario. The Mercedes pair matched each other lap-by-lap, Rosberg maintaining a 1.7s lead over his team-mate as the pair steadily increased the margin to Bottas.

As the final two laps approached Hamilton turned the screw and got within the DRS zone of his team-mate but was unable to challenge for the victory. Mercedes’ fifth one-two of the season puts them 158 points clear of Red Bull, who had a frustrating day when they most needed a strong one.

Eighth place for Daniel Ricciardo was the only points paying position achieved at their home Grand Prix as Sebastian Vettel ran in to trouble early on. The German slowed to a halt on the second lap and after pressing a few buttons a system reboot saw him on the move again, albeit a lap down.

As he closed up to the back of second to last placed Esteban Gutierrez the two made contact with Vettel damaging his front-wing. Sensing that it was not going to be their day the Milton Keynes squad opted to retire Vettel’s RB10 two laps later.

Along with a close battle for race victory, there were many others further down the field.

Massa dropped off the pace of the cars ahead to finally finish a lonely fourth, ahead of Ferrari’s Alonso, once again making the best of the equipment beneath him and even briefly leading the race at the second set of pit stops played out, the first time he has led a race since Monza last year.


A strong contender for driver of the day was Sergio Perez, starting from fifteenth and opting to start the race on the soft, prime tyre whilst all but two others started on the super-soft. Holding the race lead for fifteen laps, he pitted for super-softs in the closing laps and was able to make use of their superior grip to climb up the field and take sixth place.

Ahead of Ricciardo, Kevin Magnussen took seventh place with Nico Hulkenberg and Kimi Raikkonen completing the top ten.

Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, Race, 71 Laps

1. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1hr 27m 54.976s 71 laps
2. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes +00m 01.9s
3. Valtteri Bottas Williams +00m 08.1s
4. Felipe Massa Williams +00m 17.3s
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari +00m 18.5s
6. Sergio Perez Force India +00m 28.5s
7. Kevin Magnussen McLaren +00m 32.0s
8. Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull +00m 43.5s
9. Nico Hulkenberg Force India +00m 44.1s
10. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari +00m 47.7s
11. Jenson Button McLaren +00m 50.9s
12. Pastor Maldonado Lotus +1 lap
13. Adrian Sutil Sauber +1 lap
14. Romain Grosjean Lotus +1 lap
15. Jules Bianchi Marussia +2 laps
16. Kamui Kobayashi Caterham +2 laps
17. Max Chilton Marussia +2 laps
18. Marcus Ericsson Caterham +2 lap
19. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber +2 laps

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  1. super seven says:

    To a certain extent, Lewis lost that race in qualifying. He recovered magnificently of the start line, then Mercedes ripped him off with two dismal pitstops that made the difference between first and second place. Had Mercedes matched the times given Nico on the first stop, he may have passed Nico, and would have been ahead of both Williams. A similar story on the second stop sealed the result.

    Cue the conspiracy theories. So far, Nico hasn’t beaten Lewis in a fair fight this season.

    1. James Allen says:

      I think Hamilton might have been quicker this weekend, but losing the initiative to Rosberg in quali meant that he was behind, even though he made a mega start and was right with him early on.

      1. Sean says:

        James, it didn`t help that Hamilton had what i consider to be botched pit stops compared to Rosberg, as in total Hamilton lost around 2 seconds in pit stops, i wonder why. this also happened in Canada.

      2. Anil Parmar says:

        He overshot his pit box for the first stop.

      3. aveli says:

        i think all hamilton needed to win that race was maximum energy from his electric motor like he enjoyed in the first lap. with maximum energy he would’ve overtaken massa, bottas and rosberg without pit stop strategies. we all saw how he made use of it in the first lap and how he passed massa as he came out of the pits.

    2. AuraF1 says:

      According to Mercedes Lewis put his car in the wrong place on the pit stop and slowed the mechanics down. Lewis confirmed that. And Lewis screwing up quali isn’t Nico’s fault.

      Sometimes it’s not the faster driver who wins. Lewis’ fans might actually have to acknowledge that rather than reaching for the insults and conspiracy theories…

      1. Oddz says:

        What insults?
        I for one admit this race he lost due to his own fault in qualy and and the 1st pit stops/
        The second stop i aint sure.
        The biggest difference thought is that when Nico makes a mistake Lewis ends up paying for it and when Lewis makes a mistake Lewis pays lol
        examples, both Monaco and canada

      2. Deeno says:

        I also do not understand what insults he is referring to. Normally the insults are directed at Lewis by individuals like AuraF1.

        When Lewis was on a winning streak and closing the gap to his team mate, no Lewis fans were being insulting or gloating or being narrow minded.

      3. AuraF1 says:

        The insults are flying pretty thick and fast in these threads. It’s fair enough, I’m not supporting Nico or Lewis, I just find it odd that when Lewis screws up its called as somehow nefarious, when Nico screws up its because he’s weak and under pressure. Each to their own.

      4. Phil R says:

        Example Lewis spins at T2 in Quali in Austria and Nico has to pay for the mistake by aborting the lap…

      5. Brian Bell says:

        Nico went off the track in quali, but that was deemed to be OK by the stewards….again…..like the quick line through the chicane in Canada and reversing back onto the track in Monaco

      6. Anil Parmar says:

        The limits were clearly explained by the stewards and the commentators before the race. Nico’s lap was fine; he went off by the same amount that Alonso, Hulk and others went off by. Lewis went completely off the track which is why it wasn’t deemed okay.

      7. Lohani says:

        Please don’t make this a matter of opinions. It’s about clear rules, which are not open to various interpretations. All 4 wheels aren’t allowed to be outside the white lines demarcating the two edges of the racing circuit. How much of the wheels have to be inside, then? Directly from the FIA F1 rulebook:

        20.2 Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.

        A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.

        Which means, some part of the car has to be in contact with the white line. On-board shots can’t be used to make rulings here, because one can’t see where the rear tire was. If some part of the rear wheel (which not all of us saw), was inside the white line or touching it, it’s legal. No conspiracies against Lewis here. His right front and rear wheels had gone off the white lines by about 8-10 feet.

        The referenced rule (above) is too lenient. A significant part of the front tire (right or left depending on which side of the track the car is) and rear (right or left same as above) have to be inside the white line normally.

      8. J N H says:

        I disagree, the fastest driver ALWAYS wins, but there is much more to putting a fast race together than driving fast laps alone. Lewis Hamilton’s speed is probably unmatched in the current drivers, but even in his eighth season of F1 he still seems to struggle to put the finer details together.

      9. AuraF1 says:

        Well yes we are arguing about the definition of the word fastest I suppose. Most people agree that on basic one lap pace Lewis is faster than Nico (and probably everyone else) but if F1 were just about that we’d have one lap sprints on a Saturday and just hand the trophy over in 20 minutes.

        I don’t have a particular preference for Lewis or Nico being WDC this year – it’s an interesting fight. But the constant refrain that anything Lewis does wrong is some sort of conspiracy or a negative against Nico is getting tired.

        If Lewis hadn’t screwed Quali up and hadn’t gone long in his pit stops then yes he likely had the pace to beat Nico but being a winner isn’t about just pace – it’s a massive set of skills (and yes luck) that are required.

      10. Steve S says:

        “Lewis Hamilton’s speed is probably unmatched in the current drivers”

        Nico Rosberg has matched it. Through the first eight qualifying sessions this season each driver has been faster than the other four times. If you look at the last ten GP’s of last season, Nico beat Lewis in qualifying in five of the ten. (And Lewis beat Nico in the other five)

        The two seem perfectly matched in speed.

      11. aveli says:

        hamilton was certainly faster on race day. he went from 9th to 4th before the end of lap 1 and in the same time rosberg was 3rd. hamilton didn’t make progress from then on because the energy from his electric motor was reduced while rosberg’s wasn’t reduced.

      12. super seven says:

        Citation and evidence please?
        Lewis postulated that possibly his pit positioning was off, but that sounded more like political deflection rather than an admission that it was actually what happened.

        It should be fairly easy to prove from the pitstop videos if true.

      13. AuraF1 says:

        Ted Kravitz on Sky spoke to Mercedes and he cited their explanation as Lewis consistently being at least 20cm long in the put stops along with a problem on one of the fronts during one pit stop.

      14. aveli says:

        video evidence is the best evidence to prove such a claim. your leader is trying to keep me abbey.

    3. Sebee says:

      Your just saw him beat Lewis fair and square. Lewis gave himself more to do and it was all due to 2 big mistakes yesterday. He’s lucky he got the P2 today, honestly. How do you expect a fair and square fight when Lewis is trying to look fast and please his flock of fans be being first to use passing mode to defend P1 a few races back?

      1. deane says:

        Rosberg was the first to do that.

      2. KRB says:

        Sebee, he wasn’t first to use the “forbidden engine mode”, as you well know. Rosberg used it first in Bahrain. Then Hamilton used it in Spain.

        I don’t think he was lucky to get P2 today … I think it was well earned. Obviously a great first lap, then his lap to jump Bottas in the 2nd pit stops was amazing … a 1:12.217 on lap 41 on the softs, which was 36-hundreths better than anyone else managed in the race on them (Perez snagged fastest lap running the supersofts late – a 1:12.142 on lap 59). He was unlucky not to get the win. Brakes management held back his times in the closing laps. Also the idiot Maldonado not moving aside for Lewis on lap 59 … how did he escape a penalty for that?!? As they crossed the line at the end of lap 58, Lewis was 1.8s behind Nico, with Pastor in between them. Pastor should’ve got out of the way for the run up to Turn 1! Yet at the end of lap 59, there’s car #13, crossing the line again sandwiched between ROS and HAM, with HAM now 2.4s back. Thanks a lot Pastor! I wonder how many blue flags he saw along the way? I figure he saw them at every marshals station (27) and on every light panel (15) for that entire lap! Get this moron out of F1 as fast as possible.

        You’re right to say HAM screwed himself in qualifying. A cautious 3rd sector on that banker lap likely would’ve netted him pole, such was Lewis’ speed-in-pocket on this track. Perhaps he was guilty of over-driving, I’m not sure. That rear-end snapping out definitely looked like mechanical failure, notwithstanding what the team later said.

        Lewis just has to put in decent bankers in Q3, to make his final runs more “free”. Can we go 4 races this year w/o a Lewis win? Doesn’t seem likely to me. Only if he lets the little things get to him.

      3. Sebee says:

        I say lucky because a Williams really should have pulled out a P2 from this front row lock up.

        Toto and Niki will now drop down Williams engine firmware back a version to avoid this pressure. :-)

      4. **Paul** says:

        “Sebee, he wasn’t first to use the “forbidden engine mode”, as you well know. Rosberg used it first in Bahrain. Then Hamilton used it in Spain.”

        That’s what Lewis said, but the radio transcripts suggest that both drivers actually were on the same settings, and post race Wolff was saying how the engineers were working to try and out fox each other and giving the guys different ERS patterns.

        It doesn’t really add up…

      5. Sebee says:

        Who used it to try and actually pass?
        Who used it to defend a pass by Rosberg? :-)

      6. KRB says:

        @Sebee, put yourself in Lewis’ shoes after Bahrain … you were leading by nearly 10 secs, then a SC wipes out that advantage, and you have to switch to the primes while your teammate is on the options, less than 0.5 secs behind, with 10 laps to go. Surely he was bemoaning his luck inside his helmet, as every advantage but track position swung Rosberg’s way.

        So then imagine how Lewis would’ve felt when he discovered later that Rosberg used a forbidden engine setting to try to pass him in Bahrain? I think the feelings would be along the lines of “So you’re telling me that even with most everything going in your favour, that you still felt the need to use an engine setting that we had agreed not to?!?”

        It’s a good thing Lewis won that one, or else the fallout would’ve been a lot bigger, I suspect.

        For me, that’s the race that’s defined this season so far.

      7. Andrew M says:

        People have been using the “overtake” mode to defend ever since it was invented, trying to claim Hamilton did something wrong by using it to do the same makes you look uninformed.

      8. C63 says:

        Posted By: Sebee Reply:
        Date: June 20th, 2014 at 7:39 pm
        “For real boys and girls, I’m punching out. See ya!”

        I see you are back – what caused the change of heart? ;-)

      9. Sebee says:

        I’m back for you C63. You’d miss me too much.


      10. C63 says:

        I don’t know about me missing you, maybe ;-)
        One things for absolute sure though, you would definitely miss us!

      11. Sebee says:

        You’re not man enough to admit it? That’s OK, I am.
        Yes, I would miss you and your V8 engine. Oh…just came to me..that’s why you talk so strongly in favor of this “green” formula, because you can tell girls your engine is bigger than Kimi’s!

    4. Andrew M says:

      The pitstop conspiracy theorists conveniently forget that it was a slow pitstop that allowed Lewis to jump Nico in Canada.

      1. Sebee says:

        You sir are now in charge of keeping inventory around here! :-)

      2. Joe B says:

        Yep, agreed. Hamilton’s had less luck with the pit stops (and that may be down to his pit entry, or just dumb chance), but there’s definitely no shenanigans going on.

      3. Sebee says:

        I think he’s super fast WHEN he’s instinctive and drives that way.

        He’s overthinking it now, and this will end him. Overthinking is what makes him become a non-closer because it makes him second guess his instincts, which is what got him here in the first place.

      4. **Paul** says:

        Lewis conspiracy theorist fans only have their theories in the direction of the driver they follow. Or to put it another way…

        - Canada slower stop for Rosberg costs him the lead.
        - Rosbergs Q3 Austria qualifying lap is compromised by Lewis’s spin at T2.
        - Rosberg having to lift and coast more often
        - Hamilton always having used a lower % of fuel

        etc etc. but you don’t see Rosberg fans going on about those? Probably because they’re not wearing tinfoil hats and deducing that eveytime something goes wrong it’s nothing to do with the guy in the car and it’s the team, or the FIA, or the other drivers, or the moon phase or whatever else that is to blame.

        It’s a good laugh to see some of their comments though.

      5. Andrew M says:

        Probably because there aren’t any.

      6. Brazil Concalvez says:

        @Andrew M. Well explain Barcelona then….

      7. Andrew M says:

        I’m not saying Lewis hasn’t suffered from poor pitstops, just that the idea that there’s some kind of conspiracy or sabotage going on is ridiculous, and ignores the fact that actually Lewis has gained more from pitstops (in Canada) than lost (Spain he won anyway, Austria he wouldn’t have jumped Nico in any case).

    5. alexander supertramp says:

      This is my problem as well with Rosberg, I feel he has not been as quick as Hamilton. But this is sport, this is motor racing, and there are always uncertain outcomes and the best/fastest will not always win. Lewis has been quicker, but Rosberg has been “better” by staying out of trouble. Lewis needs the other rivals to take points away from Rosberg, so far only himself and Ricciardo have accomplished that.

      1. alexander supertramp says:

        Aah, I can finally submit comments on the new site, awesome!

      2. Gaz Boy says:

        Yes, thank goodness for unpredictability!
        Can’t wait for the first rain affected race this year, that will be a complete unknown!

      3. Gareth says:

        Rosberg has been lucky not to suffer the two DNFs which Hamilton has. Without those, Rosberg would have been consistently trailing in the championship. He’s also been fortunate than his qualifying mistake at Monaco cost Hamilton rather than himself.

      4. Richard says:

        The only problem I have with Nico is Monaco for which I think there will always be a question mark, otherwise he has been fast and consistent. I think Lewis was extremely unlucky in the Austrian qualifying. The spin he had was the result of gearchange, braking, and hitting the bump coincidently, and had they been spaced slightly the resulting lap would have taken pole by about half a second. It’s unfortunate, but it’s racing and sometimes that’s how it is. Nico by contrast was simply not fast enough to get near pole, and let’s be clear the reason Nico is leading is because of Lewis’s DNF’s caused by unreliability.

    6. Anil Parmar says:

      Lewis missed his pit box for that second stop, hence the time loss.

      1. Brazil Concalvez says:

        Based upon what ?

      2. Gaz Boy says:

        Amazing to think a racing driver has to be millimetre perfect……….

    7. furstyferret says:

      Im a big lewis fan, but rosberg had a slow pitstop in canada, which allowed lewis to jump him, and sadly lewis brakes overcooked, I just think the merc crew are very conservative regards pitstops

      1. Brazil Concalvez says:

        Well Lewis had slow pitstops in Barcelona aswell

    8. JB says:

      Lewis screw up the quali, he should have put in the banker first time around. Second time, it is always higher risks.
      Lewis screw up the pitstop, not the team’s fault. I mean great recover overall, with thanks to his raw speed.

      I have to say, Nico really took the challenge up again and end up triumph. He made less mistakes throughout the weekend especially when it counted.

      I think Lewis is starting to break down! He is pushing hard and making more and more mistakes. At this rate, Nico will be champion… Lets see. If he becomes WDC, he deserved it. Especially when there is no #2 driver to aid him.

      1. Brazil Concalvez says:

        The team messed up Hamilton pistops, it’s the teams fault, reading your comment you are anti Hamilton

      2. aveli says:

        i think hamilton qualified 9th on purpose so that rosberg’s engineers would use his setup and was hoping to pass rosberg for the win but couldn’t manage it. hamilton said after the race that there was something weird going on, he suffered loss of power after lap 2 but rosberg didn’t suffer power loss.
        i don’t like he idea of someone being able to increase or decrease power from outside the car. this should all be under the drivers’ control, no one else.

      3. KRB says:

        Well, regarding your last sentence, this is an F1 season where it’s just an intra-team battle, so no #2 drivers are necessary, as there’s no other car in the mix for the title.

    9. Al says:

      Correct, Nico has not really beaten Lewis this year, he is ahead due to 2 mechanical failures vs 0 and a very dodgy “error” in Monaco which he was spotted celebrating instantly, that defined him in my eyes, it is a long season, Justice will prevail.

  2. Gaz Boy says:

    Let’s get the bad stuff out of the way first.
    Red Bull – from Canada heroes to Austria zeroes. 8th? Reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons where Principal Skinner tries to bribe Bart and the junior Simpson replies with: “Is that the best that you can do????” What is going on with reliability and operational efficiency at the Bulls??? At the start of the season a few issues is understandable, but you would have thought both Bulls and Renault would be on top of their issues……….apparently not.
    Right, that’s the bad stuff out of the way
    Well done to the boy Bottas. Possibly driver of the day. Excellent qualifying, and a classy mature refined race performance. He kept Rosberg Junior very honest for about two-thirds of the race, so a very praise-worthy effort. And what a pit-stop by Williams – 2.1 seconds is a superb effort.
    Well done to Rosberg Jnr, well merited win, and Lewis done very well to climb through the field to finish a close 2nd.
    Mind you, I’m tempted to give Nando DOD, to finish 5th in a dog’s breakfast of a Ferrari not far from pole sitter Massa was another superlative effort. It is a complete waste to see a driver at the peak of his driving powers confined to a car – and team – that is something of a lemon, but Nando gives his all, race after race, weekend after weekend. To maintain his motivation and focus is quite amazing, considering he has been driving in F1 for 15 odd years now. That’s longevity!
    Great to see F1 back in Austria, looking forward to go back next year. Well done Austria!

    1. Gaz Boy says:

      PS Can you imagine the boardroom meeting on Tuesday between Red Bull and the Renault engineers?
      “Right, we’ve got some issues we want to talk about………………….”
      What a chance a divorce for Bulls and Renault and a marriage between Milton Keynes and Honda circa 2016?

      1. Rob Newman says:

        Honda is not thinking of supplying engines to another team at the moment. McLaren is their main team. Red Bull will not want to be a number two team. They have other plans.

      2. Gaz Boy says:

        Interesting point you’ve brought up there in terms of Honda exclusivity.
        I think I’m correct in saying McLaren have exclusive use of the Honda V6 for 2015. However, for 2016? I don’t know the contractual situation on that one. Would Honda want to put all their turbo-hybrid eggs in McLaren’s rather brittle basket? Or would for 2016 and beyond would they spread their Honda “wings” and supply other teams? Such as Red Bull? Nudge-nudge, wink wink?
        Perhaps James and Matt Meadows can try and find out the contractual situation with regards to Honda. It would make sense for Honda to supply Red Bull as Milton Keynes has the infrastructure, personnel and above all finance to deliver a winning partnership.
        We’ll see!

      3. James Allen says:

        Exclusive to McLaren to start with.

        One hears that Honda is a bit behind where it would like to be and of course the existing manufacturers will gain a lot over winter as they develop before the next homologation period. Honda will be racing with a Phase 1 engine against all Phase 2 (i.e. more mature and developed) engines.

      4. KRB says:

        Red Bull’s backup power unit plan is to apparently make their own. I heard a partnership between two Austrian companies, AVL & APC, and Nissan.

        They’ve also cited VW/Porsche as a possible source of power units in the past.

        Sounds more like ‘shots across the bow’ to Renault, where they obviously lay the blame for their current position in the pecking order.

      5. UAN says:

        folks realize that Nissan and Renault are married at the hips? They have the same CEO/President in charge of each of the companies individually, and who is also the CEO/President of the Nissan/Renault Alliance.

        Though, it would be an interesting way out for both Red Bull and Renault. If the real issue is that Renault’s design philosophy has hampered the engine, not just for this year, but for the next few years of this formula, then having Nissan (Renault) come in would be a brilliant workaround to address the Renault engine’s limitation.

    2. JB says:

      I was about to turn off the tv when I saw how slow Red Bull had been. Geez… I’m sure the car’s aero and tyre management is sufficient but the engine… Oh boy! that piece of junk…

  3. Amritraj says:

    Fantastic drives from Hamilton and Alonso.

    Just waiting for Ferrari to produce a car worthy of Alonso’s talents. This guy is perhaps the best F1 driver ever.

    The racing gods are conspiring against Vettel. Would love to see him shine with the current rules. He is a stand-out driver, but has had rotten luck this year.

    Kimi is a long way behind Alonso at the moment. Still waiting for the entire season to get over and see how well he fares against FA. While he definitely will be behind points, I am hoping for closer racing between the two.

    Still feel LH will win the championship. He is quicker than Rosberg and that bit more special to string together race wins towards the end of the season (like Vettel in 2010 and 2012).

    1. Andrew M says:

      If Hamilton and Rosberg finish 1-2 from here on in at every race in the order they did in 2013, Rosberg will comfortably win the title (even assuming Hamilton wins in Russia).

      If Hamilton beats Rosberg by a 2-1 ratio over the remaining races (including double points), Rosberg will be the champion by one point (still assuming they win 1-2).

      Hamilton has to stomp all over Nico for the rest of the season to close the points gap, and I doubt whether he can do it.

      1. James Allen says:

        Don’t forget

        1. Double points in last round makes 1st to 2nd a 14 point difference instead of 7 points

        2. Reliability

      2. James Clayton says:

        Plus if Williams can close the gap a little they could finish in between the Mercs at certain tracks (looking at you, Monza), so that could work in the favour of one or the other driver.

      3. Andrew M says:

        Double points – Yeah, I already factored that in. Basically, with double points, there are 12 races worth of points left, so assuming Lewis wins 8 to Nico’s 4, with the other finishing second, that’s a 28 point swing to Lewis. As things stand, that’s still not enough to win the title. It was really just to demonstrate the scale of the task facing Hamilton from here on out, and that he can comfortably beat Rosberg for the rest of the season and still finish second.

        And yes, of course reliability and all other sorts of things can come in to play that will prevent Merc 1-2s at every race this season, and almost certainly will, but there’s no way to predict them at all.

    2. Gaz Boy says:

      Regarding Nando, couldn’t agree more. To say him languishing in a dogs dinner of a Ferrari is such a waste of driver at his peak……………….having said that, it was Nando who made the choice to join Ferrari and stick with them. I suppose those big juicy pay cheques ease some of the pain, but not all – it must be very frustrating to turn up weekend after weekend knowing he is just a bit-player on the grand prix winning stage.
      Still, as I said, Fernando made the choice to join Ferrari. Fernando made his bed at Ferrari and know he has to lie in it………….
      Actually, would a bed have more downforce and be more aero efficient than the current Ferrari? Probably have a more comfortable ride than that pull rod suspension Ferrari use…………..

      1. Kristiane says:

        I think Alonso was behind the change to pull-rod himself, having experienced it in his Minardi days.

    3. Arshad says:

      Don’t expect much to change the way Ferrari’s pace or no pace is gone so far in the season. Racing pundits and users of this exchange have already commented multiple times on the talent of Alonso squeezing out extra seconds from this mule called “Ferrari.” Raikkonen will probably finish the season around the same place. He is an exceptional driver but I think he does not the ability to squeeze extra seconds like his team mate. Another sad ending to Ferrari season.

      1. Elie says:

        Raikkonen has the ability and Spain & Monaco proved that. Kimi wont fight 4th or 5th with 7th best car but he will challenge for the win in a top 3 car.

        He just doesnt have a car or a team focused only on his needs let alone a top 4 car. I susoect also Ferrari are only salvaging points this year and will start focusing on 2015 car. Which makes Alonsos drive even more pointless.

        I keep saying Ferrari keep building cars around Alonso and they continually come uo short because he tries driving around its shortcomings. Raikkonen is far more particular and persistent with exactly what he wants. People laugh at it but look at how much lotus / Grosjean benefited with him on board. Ferrari must listen to Raikkonen for next years car

      2. Joe flacco says:

        He won’t be driving at Ferrari next year……

      3. Elie says:

        @Joe aside of the money that would be no great loss to Raikkonen. It maybe also that Fernando finally gets the balls to walk too..

      4. Joe flacco says:

        Fernando has them…..plenty. Would he drive for free and only complain AFTER signing with another team for the following season? C’mon buddy

  4. kenneth chapman says:

    sadly this race was not up to expectations. there were sporadic moments of excitment but overall i was rather underwhelmed.

    rosberg showed today that he is not only a good race strategist but he is as fast as hamilton when it counts. he drove a good race and shaded hamilton for the entire race. as for the rest, well williams showed strongly but whilst having lifted themselves up they just do not have the overall presence to win races…yet.

    as expected alonso was there to pick up some well earned points and again he showed that kimi is not in the same league any longer. i loved the pass of the day that ricciardo put on hulkenberg. the kid is sensational, just a pity that he got savagely squeezed at the start but he did pick up some points to open up more of a lead in the red bull team stakes.

    i thought that the race was ‘scrappy’ and seemed to be disjointed. maybe it was just my perception and i’m sure that others will have different opinions. i do look forward to silverstone which i think will be a far better race.

    1. Gaz Boy says:

      RE Kenneth: I’d agree with you that the race was somewhat disjointed. I think the high track temperature and the choice of super-soft and soft tyres meant everyone, even the Mercs, had to drive a few tenths off what they were ultimately capable of, so everyone was obliged to just tart around for a few laps. Bloody tyre and fuel conservation……………
      Normal service will be resumed at Silverstone racing wise…………….mind you, let’s hope Pirelli can actually bring a tyre compound to Northamptonshire that doesn’t explode!

      1. Random 79 says:

        Don’t worry Gaz, in the new initiative to make F1 more exciting not only will the Pirelli tyres explode but when they do there will also be sparkles and fireworks.

        Looking forward to Singapore :)

      2. Gaz Boy says:

        I was there last year at Silverstone when the tyres detonated………….the first one with Lewis all the trackside spectators just thought it was a normal puncture……………..but no, it wasn’t it was a prelude to something worse…..
        F1 certainly dodged a bullet last year at Silverstone. Or should that be dodged flying debris?

    2. Elie says:

      You dont think Raikkonen being told to back off after 2 laps because of brake issues might have somethjng to do with it or the fact he did not have drs for the first few laps either

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ elie….you work with what you are given. top talent shows through when drivers are able to drive around/ through, with the problems. this is raikonnen’s eighth race and he still cant handle the car. i am always wary of drivers who try and make a comeback, no matter who they are. IMO raikonnen is not top drawer any more…if he ever was?

      2. Elie says:

        Kenneth you cant driver around a PU that gives you no power then 100% power at minor throttle openings as happened in Montreal. The few times the car was reliable he was far more competitive in Spain and Monaco. You can drive around an overheating brake problem after 2 laps and still be challenging top 5 spots. You cannot drive around the team leaving you out 3 laps after your tyres are gone and youve lost 5 sec & 3 positions through dumb calls..

        It is absurd to think he was often challenging for 2nd in a Lotus and all of a sudden – he cant drive. It is absurd to think ” he is inconsistent ” when he finishes 27? Races in the points but yet a car that has been woeful since testing is not to blame.. Defintely Alonso garage are doing a better job but we know he has far more seasoned engineers incl Kimis former engineer Stella in his garage & even they are struggling for top5 . Quite frankly I dont see why Pat Frys job is not in question and if he still has a job after this year I would be amazed.

        If Raikkonens car runs reliably he can finish just ahead or just behind Fernando everytime- then what will people say???…Fairweather supporters and armchair experts all calling for his head.. Quiet frankly its no wonder he doesnt give a s£€^ what anyone thinks because most people dont have a clue..

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        @ elie……..you don’t do your argument any favours by making unsupportable predictions. raikonnen is not as infallable as you would wish him to be. you think my comments are ‘absurd’? that’s fine. everyone is entitled to have an opinion. you then dismiss any criticism of raikonnen because, ‘most people don’t have a clue’?….but you do!

        seriously though, raikonnen is not what he used to be and even when he was at his peak he wasn’t all that good. why did ferrari fire him? we all know why they hired him though. as a minor foil to alonso who may have departed. that was not a glowing example of successful critical thinking though, was it?

        raikonnen may improve between now and the end of the season, who knows? given the current situation i don’t see it myself but as you state,’i probably don’t have a clue’.

      4. Joe flacco says:

        Amazing stuff elie…….An article from a fans blog is your vindication!! That’s gold. Why don’t you find Rob Smedleys interview where he praises Alonso and states “Kimi is finding out how good Fernando really is”……..or you can find another fans blog to educated yourself!

      5. Elie says:

        @joe- does it matter who explains it- as long as its explained.
        Fernando hasnt won in 5 years at Ferrari even with a decently fast F2010.
        Unlike Fernando Kimi is not going to beat on his chest about finishing 5th.
        Im amazed everyone is enamoured by Rob Smedley- what do you think hes going to say !!- dangling off Felipes purse string for several years teaching him how to get out of Fernandos way..brilliant

      6. Elie says:

        @kenneth – most people on many sites dont actually have a clue.. This is why this site has such success it bridges the gap for casual observers and gives insight shared by some others that do. Yes I have my opinions but they always are based on some facts or information that I always present at some point. What i find quite disturbing is that some posters just like you want hard, scientific, F1 evidence over every statement someone here makes- yet you provide absolutely nothing of your own.When you want to disprove/ attack or refute someone or some event you must either address why the opinions, statements are flawed or provide solid scientific or factual basis for a different opinion. Not just keep asking for more.. Everytime you have said something which I felt was wrong Ive told you very specifically or humorously why…I guess thats something you are not capable of , as you never have anything to offer.

        Your comment about “drivers making comebacks” is very false and misleading. Because everyone including JA would disagree with you-Raikkonens return has been nothing short of brilliant . A top 3 finisher in both years (till his back last year) Hes also been voted top 3 or better by many people in the sport. This is precisely why I waste so much time here because I despise injustice and false statements when it comes to good people..and those of rare talent. Hes got some problems hes the first to admit it. That doesnt mean hes finished and it doesnt mean its only his problem to drive around… Maybe you might consider this is exactly why Ferrari constantly fail-They are constantly designing a car around driving techniques that are compromised!

    3. Jake says:

      While I agree that this race, in isolation, was a bit lacklustre, i always view each race as part of the entire season. The game of chess unfolds race by race. Of course I am not representative of the fan base that BE seems to find desirable.

    4. Kenneth M'boy says:

      Hi Kenneth, I agree with you, not a bad race but for me it’s a bit of a go kart track. If it was a bit longer with a few Suzuka type sweeping s bends in the second half it would be awesome. Anyway, I digress a bit.

      I thought race was intriguing up to the point till Williams showed they were not going to threaten Mercedes. I wonder if they got a better points haul in Canada then would they have gone for the win in Austria? Maybe, maybe not, but hopefully with a bit more development their time will come soon.

      After that, it was just another Mercedes 1-2, yeah, yeah, who cares?

      Ferrari were not as far back but how long before they cease development to this ugly seahorse? Fernando is being wasted with this team but I honestly can’t see him going elsewhere, McLaren are even worse, Honda’s a complete unknown and while I doubt Vettel’s going to leave despite his dismal year, I doubt Red Bull would want Alonso because Dan is their future as is Kyvaat.

      Hopefully James Allison and Co. produces a faster and more attractive car next year.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ kenneth m’boy….hahaha us kenneths need to stick together. i agree totally with your criticism of the track. it is a spectacular sight but just how cool would it be with an extension of another 2/3 kms with lashings of superswift corners ? DM could afford it i’m sure. someone should have a gentle chat with him, he seems like an awfully nice chap. he certainly has done wonders for F1 when considering the investment he has made. also i like your perspective on the ferrari…. an ugly seahorse! great description.

        we agree that alonso has very few options and i would doubt very much that he will leave ferrari. right now i would think he could name his price at ferrari. as for raikonnen, well i feel that he is once again dispensable. he is not adding any value to the team, rather the opposite as he is attracting a lot of negativity resulting from his lacklustre performances. ferrari would be better off employing a young competetive ‘hot shoe’ to groom over the next few seasons.

        all that said, maybe they can claw back some healthy points in the eleven races left. it’s not impossible but highly unlikely.

      2. Kenneth M'boy says:

        Agreed on a hotshoe for Ferrari, only which one do they take? Hulkenberg would be good but I don’t think he’s Ferrari bound, Perez would have been ready but is now McLaren’s damaged goods and I think Bianchi needs to have a year in a stronger midfield team like Force India before he makes the leap. Perhaps Vettel but I highly doubt it.

        I think Kimi will stick around for one more year, he definitely needs the pay after his troubles with Lotus and I think (we’ll hope actually) that Ferrari will be better next year. Could Kimi just be hibernating at the moment? Will Ferrari be patient enough to find out? In times of uncompetitiveness the temperamental Italians often look for a scapegoat.

  5. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    Congratulations to Nico, not the result I would expected, but he beat Hamilton clearly this weekend.


  6. Andrew M says:

    As I thought, Rosberg wins with Hamilton following him onto the podium, but I was very surprised with how close Williams were come race end; considering the Mercs were pushing each other, that’s the closest they’ve been pushed all year barring issues/safety cars etc. I suspect it was track related, but it bodes well for the future.

    It probably didn’t make any difference, but Williams’ strategy was pretty clumsy at both stops, they could have pushed Mercedes even harder, and maybe they would have cracked?

    Hamilton needs to sort out his qualifying, I think he has the speed to pull it out over Rosberg when he gets it all together, he just needs to do it, and soon, before the points gap gets out of hand.

    I was surprised how hard overtaking was, virtually all the overtakes were strategy related, Ricciardo put a great move on Hulk at the end.

    I know loads of people hate this season, but I’m enthralled.

    (I know I shouldn’t be mean, but I did enjoy Vettel’s cameo in demonstrating his close quarters combat prowess again :))

    1. James Clayton says:

      They could have pushed Mercedes harder in the first couple of stints then left themselves vulnerable to Ferrari at the end of the race with their tyres not holding up. Williams clearly didn’t think they could win this race. I’m slightly surprised they didn’t try a three stop with one of their cars. Their straight line speed should have made getting through traffic a breeze.

    2. jake says:

      Both mercs were managing brake issues and were no where near flat out. They even had the engines turned down, mode 6 I think, which is apparently a middle setting.

  7. Thompson says:

    Tense race .

    Well driven by Rosberg Always doing enough to stay ahead – Hamilton would have won if not for that curious q3 (was the overrun on the banker lap related to the inexplicable spin on the final run)

    I for one don’t buy into the latest conspiracy ref pitstops….. It’s one of the weaker ones todate.

    Massa is not faster than Bottas apparantly and again Perez handed the Hulk a subtle beating.

    But 4years of bad luck in one season for Vettel. I almost feel sorry for him, hope this does not break him.

    Kimi’s car really needs to get sorted, Ferarri are letting him down badly.

    1. Jon says:

      How are Ferrari letting him down? They have bent over backwards to help – even changing engineers he has worked with in the past.

      Fact is Kimi hasn’t”t lived up to the hype same as Vettel.

      1. Thompson says:


        Quote of the race “Kimi, we need 2 tenths” reply “then give me more power”

        If Kimi was capable of winning in a Renault lotus after his sabatical do you seriously believe he’d wake up and forget how to drive.

        Schumacher could not do it.

      2. Elie says:


      3. Kristiane says:

        You do realise in F1 nothing is an instant fix, don’t you?

        When MSc joined Ferrari it took the team several years of building and organising before they started winning.

      4. Krischar says:

        yes exactly jon

        Well said, actually kimi is letting ferrari down. Kimi is not even able to pick decent points from the F14 T. His performances are aweful and all the time media / people here jump in with excuses one after the other. He is simply not good enough to compete at this level Period.

      5. John says:

        Hey Jon, I am not sure which F1 have you been watching over the years. Raikkonen was doing quite fine last year in Lotus, which was not the fastest car. He won in Ferrari in the first year, something that Alonso still cannot do after 5 years. And Alonso had his chances, but he always failed to deliver in the last race, when the title was decided. Raikkonen has problems in qualifying, but in terms of racing, he is still very good. You are also saying that Vettel is not good. Well, he has won 4 titles. How can someone who has won 4 titles not be good. His first title he has won in the last race, when he was, if I remember correctly, behind Alonso and Webber in points. I don’t think Alonso will ever win a championship in the last race. He can win if everything works for him, all the team is behind him, but if the pressure builds up and it is all down to the last race, he will fail. You don’t believe me, then look at the history! Historia est magistra vitae.

      6. Elie says:

        uhm yes they did !- Raikkonen was told to back off after only 2 laps because his brakes were overheating. He also said he did not have DRS for the early part of the race.

        Then to add insult to injury Ferrari leave him out too long on the first stint and loose him 3 spots. Ferrari have lost the plot and all I can say is congratukations Felipe for getting out of Fernandos shadow and Ferraris shackles .I just wonder if Kimi will stick around to make a difference with next years car..

      7. kenneth chapman says:

        IMO kimi is a finnish style ‘prima donna’ without the ‘prima’. he is simply not earning his salary ATM and he must surely be a ‘candidate for divestment.

      8. Joe flacco says:

        He probably isn’t getting paid anyway……just like at lotus

    2. AuraF1 says:

      Kimi is still Kimi – much like JB, when he is in a car that totally suits his narrow operating window he’s a class above but he just doesn’t seem to be able to adapt to a car outside his very specific needs. This seems to be the issue with Vettel as well.

      Alonso probably isn’t faster in raw pace he’s just supremely adaptable – as DC once said, Alonso is a chameleon – he changes his style with each car/track/even lap – I think Kimi is driving the Ferrari at its probable level – I think Alonso is just flattering it by changing to the situation.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ auraF1…….i think you have got it slightly wrong there. alonso is not ‘flattering’ the car. he is simply getting what is the maximum out of both it and what he can contribute. conversely raikonnen is failing to emulate alonso and he cannot perform to the same level. these drivers are supposed to be the best in the world and ‘adaptability’ surely must be uppermost in their talent bank.

      2. Elie says:

        @kenneth- now you got it slightly wrong. Kimis garage is not performing the way it should and Kimis car is not half as reliable ad Fernandos..otherwise how do you explain Barcelona & Monaco that wasnt sheer luck was it..Even if the car is designed around Alonso..

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        @ elie….sorry, but my comment in response was directed to aura F1. if i wanted to hear your comments i would’ve addressed my point to you.

  8. Anne says:

    Well sure Mercedes has a better car but Williams could´ve tried another kind pit stop strategy.

    The best part of the race was radio communication between the Ferrari engineers and Raikkonen. “We need 2 tenth per lap” Kimi:”Give me more power then” LOL!!!

    1. greg says:

      It went:
      Engineer: Kimi you need to bring in two tenths a lap
      Kimi: Yeah, well if only I had more power! (Sarcastically)

  9. Ben says:

    An amazing opening lap from Hamilton 9th to 4th and a great battle with the Williams pair. You have to wonder if they could have maintained their advantage from qualifying if they’d covered the undercut from the Mercedes because it looked like they were struggling to over take them on track with their straight line speed advantage.
    Hamilton has lost ground to Rosberg in the championship battle but it was a good recovery drive for damage limitation. He does have the edge over Rosberg in all areas but everything keeps going in Rosbergs favour. You have to wonder how long Rosbergs luck can last for. Hamilton has already dragged back the advantage once but can he do it again?

    1. alexander supertramp says:

      Season is amazinly long still, Lewis only really needs to be within 14 points by Abu Dhabi.. He has to drive like he did today, nothing too desperate. Fingers crossed he just stays out of reliability trouble.

    2. AdamJ says:

      Lol sorry for hilarious iPhone typos hahaha

      Rosenberg for WDC lol

      1. Stephen Taylor says:

        Don’t ya mean Rosberg?

  10. Asayew says:

    Why is Ham pit stop is consistently slow? It is so obvious in my opinion. Anyways good racing generally. Williams seems closing a bit to Mercedes.
    Hamilton paid the price for quail mishap otherwise he could have the win pretty easily I reckon.

    1. Matthew says:

      Hamilton’s pitstop was slow because he stopped in the wrong position.

    2. Michael says:

      @ Asayew Hamilton is blowing these races in qualy. He really needs to get it together. He is getting killed. Rosberg isn’t the kind of driver to make stupid mistakes.

      1. jake says:

        “Rosberg isn’t the kind of driver to make stupid mistakes”.
        Really, you missed him almost put it into the wall and drive straight through the chicane in Canada. Lucky not to have ended his race and lucky not to be given a penalty.
        He also screwed up his second Q3 quali run in Austria and made a massive error in the race. Rosberg makes mistakes for sure, he has just been lucky so far.

      2. C63 says:

        “Rosberg isn’t the kind of driver to make stupid mistakes ”

        I guess the mistakes he made in Monaco and Montreal , were sensible mistakes !
        Come to think of it, they were ;-)

  11. Harshad says:

    Ferrari blew it yet again!
    Kimi lost 4 places after first pit stops and Alonso lost 3.
    Lucky for Alonso, that it didn’t matter in the end i.e he was 5th before 1st pits and he finished 5th.
    But for Kimi it cost him 3 places from 7th before the 1st pits down to 10th.

    Hardly any of the two put a foot wrong in the race, but what are they supposed to do if team keeps ruining their race with poor strategies race after race.

    1. Michael says:

      @ Harshad Nobody cares about Ferrari right now. They’re a non story. The brilliance of Alonso is the only thing they’ve got going.

    2. BluesPaul says:

      re ferrari

      after the first lap both were running together with only Kev sandwiched between them, all on same pace. Kimi was doing v good keeping 4 faster cars behind.
      The obvious thing would be to pit him early to undercut Kev, but no. They kept him out when all behind pitted so he was undercut by them, even though his tyres were gone. When he finally pitted he came out behind the lot with a car that can’t overtake.

      So much for the great italian marque with the pedigree and all the rest of it.

  12. Harshad says:

    Perez seems to have improved a lot compared to last year. He seems to be having a similar year to that of 2012. Good for him and Good for Force India. He just needs to be a little less aggressive with his defending! Without the 5 place penalty he might have had a chance for a podium.

    1. dren says:

      Yeah, it looks like Perez made out by being dumped by Mclaren. It is surprising to see FI better, especially when both teams have the same Mercedes power unit.

  13. Valentino - Schumacher # 1 says:

    Rosberg is faster than Hamilton …

    1. Andrew M says:

      Thanks for clearing that up, no further debate needed.

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        Wait until Silverstone folks! Then we’ll see who has the edge around the mega fast corners and long straights around the old airfield circuit……………..

      2. Jon says:

        If he doesn’t choke again – Nico will keep him honest.

      3. Gagbag says:

        We heard that before Canada as well, didn’t we.

      4. Kenneth M'boy says:

        James, any truth to the rumour (that I just started) that Mark Webber is going to race for Red Bull at Silverstone cause Seb wants to give him his luck back?

      5. kenneth chapman says:

        i fully agree. let’s kill the debate right now. well said andrew M

    2. Dave says:

      Not really. He has more points, yes. Let’s tally at the end of the season. Four wins to Three, Hamilton’s favor, and one of Nico’s wins was with a HAM DNF, so I could call it two for Rosberg. I’m not doubting Nico’s capability, nor the likelihood he wins the title, but “faster”? Sorry, not. And deep down, you know it too.

    3. H.Guderian (ALO fan) says:

      And what about Kimi???
      Any comments???


      1. glennb says:

        Still overrated. He was decent once upon a time…

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @ glennB….well said. i fully agree. his WDC was only by one point wasn’t it? hardly a ringing endorsement of total domination.

      3. Krischar says:

        @ H Guderian (ALO fan)

        How are you mate ?

        Once again a tough race where Ferrari were poor and Alonso somehow managed to get 10 points out of nothing really

      4. H.Guderian (ALO fan) says:

        Hi Krischar, how are you???

        Well… I had the impression that Ferrari is a bit better now.
        Alo was closing the gap to Felipe at the final stage.
        Did you see that??? 8-)


      5. Krischar says:

        @ H Guderian (ALO fan)

        I am well and i hope you are also fine

        Maybe Ferrari have improved a bit yet williams were quick enough to seen off the threat from Alonso in the final stint

        We can keep our fingers crossed for a better development of the car F14T, yet i doubt whether Ferrari can get at least one victory before the season Denouement.

        Anyways, i hope for the best and like to see a race win for Alonso this season


      6. Elie says:

        Yeah !- he had no DRS in the first part of the race and told to back off the brakes because they were overheating after only 2 laps !

        Then he gets screwed at the first pit stop by leaving him out to loose 3 places! Absolutely ridiculous..

    4. Brad says:

      Given that the distance between Rosberg and Hamilton at the end of the race was less than distance between them at the start, it means that Hamilton was (marginally) faster than Rosberg during the race

      Rosberg just happened to get to the finishing line first thanks to the headstart

    5. KRB says:

      Did you really come away with that, having watched this race? If so, it explains a lot.

    6. Michael says:

      No he isn’t…..

    7. Elie says:

      Is that why Lewis almost passed him from 9th place and 2 bad pit stops. Keep dreaming Val from Canada

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ elie….’almost passed him?’ c’mon, he couldn’t do it otherwise he would’ve. how many laps went by when he was right up there on rosberg’s tail? rosberg has him covered and the great man is impotent. a bit like canada really. he cooked his brakes sitting in rosberg’s hot air. he couldn’t put the pass on then and he couldn’t do it in austria either.

        he may do better at silverstone, who knows, but there is nothing on my radar ATM to suggest that he will. to use an old school end of term tribute, ‘must try harder’.

      2. Elie says:

        Kenneth he lost 1.9 sec in the first pit ( partly his fault not 100% in box) & 1.sec in his second stop..uhm he might no even have need to fight with only half a sec more at some parts.. AND he came from 9th !! Nico in clear air should have opened at least 10 sec given he was handed almost 4 by the team.. Nico has driven impeccably this year but hes still not hamiltons pace..never will be– I dont think anyone is..

      3. Elie says:

        Sorry almost *3 sec

    8. C63 says:

      Oh Val, change the record. You said exactly the same thing last season when Rosberg had a string of good results. How did that prediction end up? Please remember, were it not for mechanical unreliability Hamilton would be leading the WDC by a comfortable margin.

      1. Elie says:

        THANK YOU

      2. Joe flacco says:

        Thank you Elie…..nobody on this site can be as imaginative as you when it comes to defending their favourite slow driver….and now Lewis gets excused for a Kimi like performance…..blaming the team for not getting the maximum out of the weekend.

      3. Elie says:

        @joe skacko – because driving ftom 9th to 2nd by under 1.5 sec & loosing nearly 3 in pits is real slow isnt it. Goodbye genius !

  14. JSpeed says:

    It was not an eventful race, neither a good to watch race like Canada. But, despite the fact that Williams team were aware that to hold back Mercedes would be almost impossible, the big problem for them was the lack of strategic plan. I wonder what race were they following. They could place their both drivers in P1 and P2! For example, Massa was still quicker with the options after the Mercs pit-stop and could gain terrain from them before his pit-stop. Well, releasing the car in 3,5 secs while Mercs do it in 2,5 secs, does not help too. Really, can anyone explain what is going on with the Williams strategic race people?

    1. Matthew says:

      Tyre wear. According to Smedley, if they pitted to cover the Mercs they probably would have come back out ahead, but the tyres would be dead by race end.

      1. Kristiane says:

        Yeah they don’t wanna win the battle but lose the war.

        Williams (Smedley) made it clear before the race that they were not going to race the Mercedes, but race the people around them in the championship tables. So with that in mind, Williams were pretty wise.

    2. Brian Bell says:

      I thought Williams should have asked Bottas to back off after the end of lap 1. Rosberg isn’t a racer. He would never have got past. Bottas could have backed them up by a second a lap to give Massa a free pitstop. Massa could then have backed them up to give Bottas P2. The Merc/Rosberg team seem to have the strategy sorted…..give Hamilton a car where he is quicker than the field, but hold him back on the pit stops so he doesn’t beat zee German

  15. Andrew M says:

    Also, I loved the way that even the Mercedes race engineers are starting to live up to the stereotype of Rosberg as a cerebral craftsman and Hamilton as a non-thinking driving automaton.

    Nico’s engineer: “HPP 11 to 1, push hard now”
    Hamilton’s engineer: “OK Lewis, it’s hammer time!”

    1. Thompson says:

      That’s probably more to do with their respective relationships with their engineers.

    2. Kenneth M'boy says:

      Hahaha, I guess Nico can touch this. Hilarious. Great comment. MC Hamilton, indeed.

  16. Rohind says:

    No matter what..Andrew Benson’s race report always starts & ends with Lewis Hamilton.
    Today’s headlines : ” Lewis Hamilton beaten by team-mate Nico Rosberg in Austria” :D

    1. Andrew M says:

      While I’m not exactly a Benson fan, he does write for the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation, it’s hardly surprising his articles focus on British interest in the race as opposed to a dispassionate run down of what happened fact by fact.

      1. Miha Bevc says:

        What bothers me more is that it shows in his writing he is an Alonso fan.

      2. Andrew M says:

        Indeed, virtually every qualifying/race article contains an update on Alonso’s position relative to Kimi, including time gap, even where it’s totally irrelevant.

      3. Kristiane says:

        Reporters can have their fav. drivers, can’t they?

      4. Joe flacco says:

        It’s relevant to show everybody how bad Kimi has been since partnered with a champion…..and how ‘good’ he was when partnered with Grosjean!!!!!

    2. Matthew says:

      And the BBC Sport article on Horner lambasting Renault’s problems also includes a totally unrelated Hamilton picture in it. Lol.

  17. Sebee says:

    Well, good damage limitation for Lewis. Could he be first to win 4 in a row and not win a WDC? He looked a bit dejected.

    Otherwise, this race was missing everything I was hoping for: sparks, standing restart, DRS effect, sprinklers, engine sound, etc. How did we even manage? I run my treadmill at higher speed to make up for lack of engine sound. Really…it has come to that.

    1. Gaz Boy says:

      With regards to the sound, I can’t understand why the FOM soundboard can’t -or wont? – remix the sound, to add a little more treble, not to mention re-adjust the sound level, but there you go……
      Having said that, one benefit is that us spectators are able to here the pit to driver conservations much better, as well as the sound of brakes locking and tyres squealing! So you loose a bit in one direction and gain in another………..
      What’s that old cliche? (Turbo-hybrid) Horses for courses!

      1. Sebee says:


        This race I think was either worse of all yet or my hearing is leaving me after I put my amazing retro Technics SE-A100 power amp back into daily duty in my high fidelity setup. Beside a slight hum this may have been the worse engine sound race yet.

        Bernie, call up Kanye’s producer and have the track/engine audio put through a vocoder and let’s turn up those levels! At this point, let’s just have fun with it. It’s really all on D.C.’s shoulders to remind me my TV is indeed not on mute.

    2. KRB says:

      Is your wife happy with her improved cardio-pulmonary fitness then? :-D

      1. Sebee says:


        We’re back on that subject? Yes, I’m all about performance and ensuring we reach the checker via an exciting grand prix. One needs to be in top shape.

        Some time ago I decided like James to make the GP a productive period to ensure I can continue to justify watching. Since I can’t quite pull off the trick to get paid for watching and telling people about what I’m seeing I figured I can knock out in the range 20km and score myself P23 4 LAPS.

    3. Michael says:

      @ Sebee What did he expect? He deserved what he got. He couldn’t even put a time on the board in Q3. He is driving stupid!

    4. Kristiane says:

      Ahh… your wish list has just given away your identity, you must be BERNIE!

      Any chance of scrapping the double points, old man? :D

    5. C63 says:

      If Vettel and RBR were doing better would you be moaning?

      1. Sebee says:

        What would there be to moan about? Standing restarts? Fake sparks? No engine sound but tire sounds? GP2 lap times? You think RBR and Vettel would warm my cockles to such point that I would overlook all that?

        I think you’re right though C, I shouldn’t get so emotionally invested into a “sport” at my age.

      2. C63 says:

        You think RBR and Vettel would warm my cockles to such point that I would overlook all that?….

        Yes, I suspect you would.
        Be honest, if Vettel and RBR were still sweeping all before them and still treating the others as if they were but mere dust beneath their chariot wheels, would you really be as unhappy? I doubt it ;-)

  18. zombie says:

    Nico thoroughly deserves the win. Williams must be kicking themselves for keeping Bottas and Massa longer than needed.

    Can FIA give Alonso an honorary world championship title for dragging those red dogs to top 5 positions ? Ferrari must be thinking of a way out of contract with Kimi. They could have hired Bianchi and had the same results and saved 20m $/year.

    1. Sebee says:

      Honorary WDC? Did you play sports where they give participation medals? I’d give you a hug to make you feel better, but I don’t want you to eat my brains. ;-)

      1. Hunter C says:

        Sebee, you’ve been crowing since last year that kimi would wipe the floor with alonso. i don’t think you have a leg to stand on if you want to criticize him. Fernando’s drive this year has been as impressive as anyone else’s on the grid

      2. Sebee says:

        Let’s replace your brakes with a drum of wires and magnets we’re going to spin at high speed in effort to slow you down from 300km/hr. And all to supply power to a 100kg ERS system with non-green batteries that replaces 50kg of fuel, see how you like it after having real brakes all your life.

        Truth is this “new formula” isn’t to everyone’s liking. People dog Vettel for not liking this car and not having confidence in braking, but he’s not the only one. Kimi is in that camp too.

        Put Alonso and Kimi in a proper F1 car (2013 spec) without this hunk of junk ERS and things would be different. And anyhow, once Kimi saw that this car was crap he stopped being a driver and started being an employee. Come in, punch the time card, drive a few laps, coffee brake, drive a few more finish the day and home for dinner x 730 days. I don’t blame him. Kimi has never liked marketing, and now that marketing departments have taken over technical regulations of F1 you can all see the joy on Kimi’s face. He probably goes home in a car that gives him more joy to drive than his ant-eating hoover. Oh, and he has a room for a girl in his daily commuter Enzo.

      3. Elie says:

        Yeah and Alonso has had 1/4 the problems in a car built for him… Not a big deal is it..

      4. Joe flacco says:

        SEBEE……Ahhh kimi’s care free attitude…….the one that didn’t get him paid for two seasons at lotus is not something to be proud of.

      5. Krischar says:

        @ Sebee

        Honestly Kimi does not even stand a chance against Alonso

        Infact None of the pilot in the grid can match Alonso’s skill and pedigree

        Well said zombie, At least Fernando deserve some award and respect for his performances. Fernando brings in good chunk of points from every race even after Ferrari lets him down time and time again.

      6. Sebee says:


        Last I checked Kimi did just fine against Alonso – in a LOTUS!

        Once perhaps he figured out that he won’t be paid and needed to “suck up” to Ferrari things changed in 2013 and he wasn’t interested anymore in LOTUS success, knowing that falling back in points vs. Ferrari means they have more FOM money to pay him with perhaps.

        Then Ferrari gave him frankenformula 1 car with some wires and magnets and silencers, oh my – beacuse 4 out of 5 dentists agree F1 needs to be greener and quieter.

        Look, I’m not saying that Alonso is a dud of some sort. I’m just saying that if both were on terms with the car as they were in the 2013 normal V8 spec this battle of the Champions would have been way more entertaining. As it stands, it’s just pathetic. Yet another casualty of the B.S. ERS 50kg fuel savings. I swear, I’m going to have a mid life crisis because of this crappy F1 formula and just to be spiteful I’m going to go out and get me a nice FAT V8 equipped car with an FU F1 2014 license plate

        And Krischar, since I keep score on what us fans have been wronged on this year, add this lack of proper Ferrari team battle to the crazy domination of Mercedes (which I feel they are artificially dialing down – they have 2s in the bank, they even look it to me at least on the TV screen), as well as causing an amazing 4 year RBR run to not even be properly defended. RBR will limp to the finish not able to give MB a run for thier money. It pretty much Mercedes winning the WDC against themselves this year. And all in silence. Well done.

      7. Joe flacco says:

        So you think it’s more accurate to compare alonso and Kimi when they were in different cars…..as opposed to this year…….when they have the same equipment

        Sorry elie, they don’t have the same equipment cos of Santander….
        Also, The car is designed for Alonso….
        Apparently Kimis engineer is actually last years head chef at the motorhome…
        Finally, It’s not kimis style to give 100% when he doesn’t have a car with his preferred steering wheel cover

  19. Carl says:

    Congrats to Nico on another win – he is digging out all the results when the odds are stacked against him and I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a continued trend of the season.

    Hamilton has definitely had the measure of Nico in the race in both Canada and Austria, he just needs a need to put a full weekend together with a little more luck.

    Great result for Williams and maybe 3rd and 4th were the maximum, but I I feel the conservative strategy and inability to react quickly to the undercut may have cost them a better result today.

    It was clear as the race unfolded that Merc didn’t have the pace on track to pass them and had they been a little more aggressive on covering undercutting merc on the second stop we may have seen them one or two steps higher on the podium.

    Great result for Bottas, the highlight for me was passing his team mate during the first round of pitstops despite coming in second. One wonders what might have been had he stuck it on pole.

    Great race Austria!

  20. Anil Parmar says:

    Hamilton needs to sort his saturdays out…He’s got the car and he’s got the talent, but he just needs to be consistent through the whole weekend. Silverstone next..very excited!

    Great race all round and I’m delighted Williams have fulfilled their early season potential. It’s such a shame that Massa fell backwards but I’m sure he’ll bounce back.

    I’m still surprised about Red Bull falling back..at every other track, even those with long straights, they’ve been near the front. Why were they and Renault so much worse this weekend? Was it the altitude and the pressure that puts on the turbo? Also, another miserable race for Seb. He struggled in qualifying and then his car let him down…sums up his season really.

  21. greg says:

    It was not as good a race as Canada, but it was still exciting at the front. Hamilton’s start was impressive but after that, things didn’t change for him.
    I think that Perez drove a very exciting race and I am happy for Bottas. Dissapointing for Massa who got let down due to bad strategy calls.
    But James can you tell me why Button was unable to catch Kimi and fight for 10th at the end despite being on much quicker tyres?

    1. AuraF1 says:

      Mclaren aren’t doing well on the softer tyres for some reason Button was actually quicker on the ‘slow’ tyre portions. I bet be wished the strategy hadn’t been reversed.

  22. goferet says:

    Nice race in Austria especially the first stint as the Williams were ahead of the Mercedes, as it was a Mercedes vs Mercedes inter-team battle between different teams.

    The Mercedes drivers did well to compensate the team after a poor qualifying by putting in a clean and controlled display to finish another 1-2.

    What must be worrying for the team though is the fact the other teams are cripping up on them for not only did the drivers have a hard time overtaking other Mercedes cars like Force India but also without a safety car in sight, the likes of Alonso were able to finish a mere 18 seconds back.

    Congrats on Williams on their first podium in yonks but also on securing P3 & P4 though the team let themselves down with the strategy for they could have easily kept the Mercedes behind the entire race with the right calls.

    Once again Alonso out did his machinery by scoring some good points but the fact he finished in a lower position than he started must be disheartening to the Samurai who always finishes higher than his qualifying position.

    Brilliant drive by Perez once again for when it comes to saving tyres, he’s right on the money and I can see him getting stronger with these kind of strategies and more importantly disrupting the battle ahead for P1.

    Disappointing result for Red Bull for it’s always a bitter pill for the fans when the home team doesn’t do quite as expected.

    However, was glad Mini-mag got back on the score board with a P7 finish but from the looks of it, consistency isn’t his strongest point.

    Last but not least, it would appear the FIA have finally got DRS right for gone are the days of easy passes which is good news for the purists.

    1. Gaz Boy says:

      Yes, great to see Frank and Claire’s teams back on track – literally!
      Having said that…………….sorry to be a bit negative, but both Canada and Austria are not really downforce tracks, they are more incumbent on mechanical grip with good traction and raw straightline speed is of vital importance. The Williams scores well in those two areas. However, Silverstone is definitely a high downforce, consistent aero-balance/COP and high speed corner stability track. Will the Williams be good at Silverstone where raw downforce and stable aerodynamic centre of pressure is vital? Jury is out on that one.
      Totally agree about Nando – El Matador always gives 100% and never gives up. Unlike his national football team……………..possibly DOD.
      As for Red Bull……….possibly a divorce settlement with Renault might be on the cards? Honda power for 2016 at Milton Keynes? Don’t forget Japanese cars dominate the national car market Australia, and Bulls do have a certain driver from the world’s biggest island……………..don’t forget Honda were very insistent on having Mr Piquet and Mr Senna use their engines in two specific teams as Honda was a big market for Brazil…………..well the world’s driest continent is also a very important market for the Japanese, and more often than not commercial considerations are just as important as competitive ones.
      Watch this space…………………

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        PS Goferet – 10 years this weekend remember when Ralfie had that horrible “conversation” with the concrete wall at Indy?
        Goodness, is that really 10 years ago? It is. I mention that because I still feel Ralfie and F1 dodged a bullet that day. I know Ralf chipped his spine and had to sit out the rest of the European summer season in 2004, but, imagine, just imagine if he had gone into the wall with his front axle rather than spinning in backwards? Doesn’t bear thinking about does it?
        Just shows us how F1 safety has advanced in 10 odd years. I always felt the drivers were taking an unreasonable risk running on the banking – those concrete walls are unyielding.

      2. goferet says:

        @ Gaz Boy

        It’s not yet clear at the moment but I think Williams might surprise once again at Silverstone.

        It’s true at the beginning of the season Williams were lacking downforce as shown by their wet qualifying but with new upgrades, the situation has been getting better.

        On the topic of Renault for sure, a divorce is eminent especially if Renault produce another uncompetitive unit in 2015.

        Regards Ralfie’s huge shunt back in 2004, it reminded the sport that really there’s no need to have concert walls on circuits.

        From what I recall Ralfie wasn’t taking unnecessary risks but rather his car conked out.

      3. dren says:

        I think this track flattered the Williams. At Silverstone, I expect the next best to be Red Bull. Williams will show up again at Monza and likely Spa before it.

      4. JayWest says:

        I would think that a switch to Honda would be hugely problematic given the Infinity/Nissan association with RedBull, no? Perhaps it might lead to a new engine badged as Infinity!

      5. Gaz Boy says:

        Possibly, but I get the impression Mr Horner is getting increasingly irritated by Renault’s woeful unreliability.
        Nothing is impossible in F1. I remember once upon a time when Mercedes said they would only supply engines to McLaren……….um, Force India and Brawn? Exactly. Comments and contracts are here today, gone tomorrow!

      6. Ben says:

        I saw an interview with Helmet Marko on Sky and he suggested that they would make their own PU before they went to Honda… but he’s looking at all options and doesn’t want to write off any possibilities.

    2. Krischar says:

      @ goferet

      Alonso had no chance what so ever against Williams and Mercedes in the race. Given the fact the Mercedes P1 & P2 with Williams at P3 & P4. The best alonso could have done is P5 which he duly did and scored some vital points for the team. To say Alonso performed worse on sunday than saturday is little bit delusional

  23. aveli says:

    what a race? but james, you were on overkill on hamilton’s qualifying, mentioning it nine times throughout the race. hamilton drove from 9th to 4th after a single lap and you correctly mentioned it once. there was so much action up and down the field with vettel, massa, bottas, ricciardo, magnussen, kvyat and alonso but you were busy talking about hamilton’s mistakes during qualifying on the day before. i was keen to hear about all the others on track because I could see positions changing hands on the timing screens and wondered what was actually going on. i enjoyed it and was hoping for a williams 1-2.
    by the way great race by perez, rosberg and hamilton, massa and bottas.
    about your favourite topic, i saw hamilton lock his rear wheels with smoke as a result of skidding.
    last week i was told it was impossible for the rear wheels to lock and when i said i have seen it happen, i was told that i am trying to force my opinion on others. i only believe in the truth and we have all seen the truth today, nothing to do with my opinion but simple truth. as i have always said, the truth is natural and nature always wins.
    next, silverstone!

    1. James Allen says:

      Your observation is inaccurate

      1. aveli says:

        i suspected you’d say that james. I have just watched the highlights on BBC and the commentator didn’t mention it once. it was about what was happening on track not what happened yesterday. anyway I enjoyed listening to you all the same.

      2. aveli says:

        i think the commentary is still available on the BBC site, 5live podcast.

  24. SROPER says:

    Mature approach from LH after the race but the question has to be asked as to why NR has consistently faster pitstops. Is it really car positioning or is it just coincidence and will even out as the season progresses?

    1. Hunter C says:

      I think someone at mercedes tweaked his ear after the whole monaco blowup

  25. furstyferret says:

    Great 1 2 for Mercedes, good save by lewis, a fantastic drive by perez, but my problem is with merc, saying they allow them to race, they do but it seems both drivers have one hand tied behind there back, they seem so paranoid to be seen to be fair to both drivers, that one driver uses engine setting x,then they radio the other driver to use engine setting x, why dont they after the final pitstops let both drivers free range to use whatever settings they like, and if setting the engine to 10 it gives you more grunt, but could cause fuel
    /reliability problums then let either driver take the risk

  26. John Rambo says:

    Nico Rosberg is doing the job.

    1. Gaz Boy says:

      He is – he seems to have an answer for Lewis in the last 3 races.

  27. DonFernando says:

    Where is the investigation against Hamilton for impeding Rosbergs final Q3 run ? Where is the outrage in the british media ? Why is John Watson not pointing fingers fingers now like he is doing against drivers with german passports all the time ???

    And why does Lewis Hamilton get the first pit stop even though he is behind Rosberg ? He has had 71 laps to pass Rosberg on the track but just like in Monaco and Canada he can only do it by crying to get the better strategy call. Over the last 30 races as team mates Rosberg has proven to be the better all round driver, he only has to manage his point lead from now on while Hamilton has to claw back the deficit. Maybe Hamilton will get Silverstone and Hungary but after the summer break Rosberg will outscore him again like he did last year in EVERY race and the title should hopefully be decided before the Abu Dhabi lottery in Rosbergs favour.

    1. James Allen says:

      One small problem….Hamilton hadn’t set a lap time at that point, let alone a pole lap that would be protected by such a ‘conspiracy’

      1. Thompson says:

        Lol….. Finally you come off the fence.

        I agree the two incidents have absolutely nothing in common.

    2. Rob Newman says:

      Lewis got the first pit stop because the team wanted to jump Bottas. Obviously Hamilton couldn’t do it on track. Apparently this was agreed with Nico.

    3. Ben says:

      I think you are miles off the mark mate. Hamilton didn’t get any advantage from impeding Rosberg in Q3 he only lost out. And to say that Rosberg is the better all round driver??? Rosberg has only beaten Lewis in a fair battle this year at Monaco and we all know how that happened. He is only in front in the championship because of Lewis’s 2 DNF’s which, granted, may be because of Hamilton’s more aggressive style but other than that Lewis has had the edge in nearly all areas.

      1. josh says:

        Pretty sure you said much the same thing about Vettel over the past four years …… he’s only in front because Mark Webber was driving more aggressively and having some bad luck!

      2. matt says:

        how can you say his dnf in aus was because of his driving.he has lost 43 points because of dnfs.so he should be leading by 14 points.itll be interesting to see if nico can bounce back after 2 dnfs.

      3. aveli says:

        hamilton’s advantage was that rosberg’s engineers couldn’t get to use his settings because he backed off on both attempts so no data was collected for analysis. that’s why hamilton was so much faster than rosberg.

    4. Andrew M says:

      Races where Hamilton outscored Rosberg after the summer break last year:


      You’re not even trying.

    5. Random 79 says:

      “Where is the investigation against Hamilton for impeding Rosbergs final Q3 run?”

      Even if that was the case, who’s going to request an investigation? Mercedes?

      Would they (or any team) deliberately set out to try and get a penalty handed down for one of their own drivers? I doubt it.

      1. C63 says:

        Would they (or any team) deliberately set out to try and get a penalty handed down for one of their own drivers?….

        McLaren appealed Senna’s disqualification in Japan – even though their other diver , Prost, had won the WDC as a result .I think I am right in saying they went to court, and consequently the FIA introduce a rule stating entry to the F1 championship was conditional upon not seeking justice beyond the sport – I stand to be corrected on that :-)

  28. PeterF says:

    At the moment the world is seeing what looks like Mercedes holding up their British driver with slow pit stops, delivering their German driver an unfair advantage with the aim of winning the championship as a German team with a German driver. Now if this is true or not makes minimal difference as the reality on the track today was that the pit stops resulted in who won and who came second, the only question to the public is intention vs accidental. And many may not be bothered to consider the question but just jump to the conclusion. This makes Mercedes look really bad and has a negative impact on their publicity. What are they going to do about this as if it continues this championship is going to do them more harm than good in the minds of many and could even sour this Championship completely for them.

    1. Sebee says:

      At the moment the world is seeing what looks like one driver unable to put in a quali lap. Also, the world is seeing what looks like one driver unable to close down a 1.5s gap without DRS.

      1. PeterF says:

        I have not seen these observations in any of the comments or articles relating to this race, where is this being talked about or is this just your view point?

    2. ajag says:

      Where does this pitstop thing come from? Is there a link where we can check the pit stop times or can somebody post them here? I ask this, because on German TV it was stated during the race that Hamiltons 2nd pitstop was much faster then Rosbergs. And on that note, why does the car behind get called into the pits first?

      1. PeterF says:

        Sky for one

        “But that’s to imagine an alternative reality. In the real world, and the only place that actually matters, what cost him a narrow victory over Rosberg was the loss of 0.9 seconds to his team-mate in the first round of pit-stops. Bookend that statistic with the reminder that Hamilton was 0.4 seconds behind Rosberg prior to the German pitting on Lap 12 and Hamilton was then back within 0.6 seconds of Rosberg on Lap 15 despite the aggravation of traffic, and the consequences of that tardy stop are crystal clear.”


    3. H.Guderian (ALO fan) says:

      Do you remember what hapened to Alonso when they were at McLaren???
      This is called KARMA.

      1. keke says:

        Do you remember what horner, marko and vettel did to webber? Its called KARMA, hehehe, given Webber was on the podium at the Red Bull racing track while Vettel DNFd, now that is sweet justice!

      2. Krischar says:

        @ H Guderian (ALO fan)

        Yes, indeed this is karma which lewis have to accept and feel the pain of it come the end of season when rosberg lifts the WDC

        Now lewis will know what it takes to be in german team racing against his german team-mate. Alonso have already learned this back in 2007, now it is lewis time to learn some crucial lesson

        what goes around always comes around enjoy the fate lewis. We all know you are quick enough to win WDC yet i am afraid you will not win the WDC 2014 and feel the pain which Alonso have suffered in 2007

      3. PeterF says:

        What happened to Alonso?

    4. AuraF1 says:

      Yes Mercedes fought McLaren and pay Hamilton, perhaps the biggest name in F1, at least 4 times (and likely more than that) than they pay Nico and then conspire to beat him (with a team of overwhelmingly British engineers) by ruining his races.

      Sorry, I know some fans love to put their tin foil hats on and start ranting about the lizard people conspiracy theories but sometimes it just gets silly.

      1. C63 says:

        and pay Hamilton at least 4 times (and likely more than that) than they pay Nico…

        Apparently Nico just re-signed for Mercedes – you seem quite well informed – why do you think he would accept such a ‘lowly’ salary if he is the main man?
        It’s odd isn’t it?
        BTW, this isn’t a dig at you or your post, its a serious question.

      2. PeterF says:

        Hamilton is extremely good for the company profile. However the opinion being expressed (and I am not saying its right) is that the nationalism of the company is getting in the way of the sport, interfering and manipulating the outcome. The point I was making was about the result of this perception, right or wrong (most likely wrong) and what effect that will have on Mercedes. Funny that no one seems to have picked that up or made any kind of relevant comment on it…

      3. Elie says:

        People like you dont understand this a €300m+ a year “business” for Mercedes the politics in F1 are unrivalled other than.. Well .. Politics.. So you can bet than the £20m they pay Lewis helps elevate their name and their brand in their country and the world.. But its Nicos name and Nicos nationality that counts in restoring Mercedes pride ‘back home’.. That is were the “brands” nationality is!.. Not Brackerly & not Brixworth.where the F1 team is based & those who think otherwise.. Goodluck

      4. PeterF says:

        I see I posted your reply below accidentally. I was saying…

        Hamilton is extremely good for the company profile. However the opinion being expressed (and I am not saying its right) is that the nationalism of the company is getting in the way of the sport, interfering and manipulating the outcome. The point I was making was about the result of this perception, right or wrong (most likely wrong) and what effect that will have on Mercedes. Funny that no one seems to have picked that up or made any kind of relevant comment on it…

  29. Christmas Dinner says:

    I think they need to look at the fuel flow regulation to improve the racing.
    As they all have a finite amount of fuel the hybrid systems again show a Yo-yo approach to lap times which just kills F1 as a spectacle. If you have a push one lap, you pay the price the next to regenerate the electrical systems and then your competitor deploys all their whistles n bells to recover the advantage…..pointless.
    Where someone has a fuel saving advantage they should be allowed to use that over the hindrance of this electrical recovery handicap and give a proper section of over-boost for those that can manage fuel. I know they are all near enough running on empty but the reliance on electrical dynamics is distracting….DO SOMETHING PLEASE

  30. cometeF1 says:

    Good first few laps, but overall not as thrilling as hoped. Hamilton start and first lap was surely the better bit of the race but there were plenty of good personal showings with Bottas, Perez who is more and more of a good surprise this year, Alonso and Massa.

    Rosberg did well but no more than could have been expected.

    Red Bull will be very disappointed with only 4 points this week end. No home field advantage for them for sure.

    Very happy to see Williams being the 2nd best team on the day. Amazing after the past couple of years and where they were. Hope they maintain a similar curb moving forward.

    I was a bit surprised not to see Hamilton having a try at wrestling 1st away from Rosberg. Is it because he played it safe satisfied with 18 points for the day? If so it shows that he has learned to be patient.

    Three races ago Rosberg had to put a stop to Hamilton’s run of wins. That was surely achieved. Hamilton’s time to do just that now. Marc

  31. The Spanish Inquisitor says:

    1) I’m beginning to think that Kimi is overrated.

    2) Williams destroyed Massa’s race.

    3) Hamilton back to McLaren to replace Button.

    4) Alonso’s desperation continue…

    5) Another race that I watched every now and then. The prelude of F1 exit till next season

    1. Rob Newman says:

      Kimi is known as the ice man; not as a fastest driver. William didn’t destroy Massa’s race. They were not going for the win. He should have known where to place his car when Hamilton pounced on him. Bottas did a better job. Why would Hamilton go to McLaren when he has a winning car?

      1. Jon says:

        Williams DDD obviously ruin Maasa’s race by pitting him too late which they admit.

    2. Gaz Boy says:

      I’m not sure Lewis will go back to Macca next year – I think he is contracted to Brackley until the end of 2015 at the very least. I think he’ll wait and see how the Honda PU plays out. If it’s a competitive piece of kit, then yes, he could have a chat with his former mentor Mr Dennis. However, for the next year and a half, Lewis is definitely a Mercedes man!
      As for Kimi, I would say he is past his peak, and he doesn’t have that hunger and tiger-ish instincts any more. Remember 2008 and 2009? I rest my case on that one!
      I don’t think Massa had the ultimate pace to defeat the Mercs – but I would agree Williams could have been a bit sharper relative to Merc on when to pit.
      Nando desperate? I think that’s the wrong adjective. I would say resigned. I think he’s resigned to his fate at Ferrari this year, but he still gives 100%, and he never stops trying until he sees the chequered flag. Can’t fall the Bullfighter for that!

    3. greg says:

      Kimi is not overrated, but he is definately not driving up to the best of his ability this year. Look at his debut in Dauber (on his first race he overtook two superior cars and got a points finish with the old points system – video is on YouTube).
      He was unbelievable in his McLaren years but everyone knows that.
      It is more than fair to critisize his performance this year. He is underperforming. But to critisize his entire career just because of this year, it is unfair.

    4. H.Guderian (ALO fan) says:

      Kimi = Vettel

      The most overrated drivers in F1 history.

      1. Jon says:

        Neither are over rated – just not the same caliber as Fernando.

      2. Rohind says:

        I think we should wait for a season or two before we compare the caliber of two drivers driving the same car and we have no definite way of comparing two drivers driving different cars

      3. Krischar says:

        @ H Guderian (ALO fan)

        Very well put mate

        Both kimi and vettel are the most vaunted pilots in the history of F1. Neither do not know how to drive around the problematic cars and nor they are versatile. One is getting whipped by Daniel ricciardo and other one is just pathtic to watch whenever people watch the race

        Alonso is a Fable and Proverbial.

      4. H.Guderian (ALO fan) says:

        Daniel is the real deal.
        This boy is really good.
        In a few years he may be as good as Alonso.

    5. Elie says:

      With a name like “spanish inquisitor” I will respond you this:-

      1. Fernando is over rated
      2. Massa was out raced by Bottas in a brilliant Williams
      3. Hamilton is signed with Merc till 2016 – why would he leave
      4. Alonso will continue to fail despite the entire team & car built around him
      5. What a great supporter -you want to quit F1 just because your driver is struggling

      The above are subtle tweaks so that you can see it is more about opinion rather truth or facts.

      1. greg says:

        People say Alonso can drive a car really well even if it is really slow. He can but only if it is completely suited to him – which it always is.
        Look at Kimi in 2004 and 2006, those McLarens were just as bad as last years ones but he brought them home in high positions.
        This year the car is completely suited to Alonso and Kimi is a newcomer.If the car was suited to Kimi , Alonso would not be as “impressive” and Kimi would be doing better than Alonso is right now.

      2. Joe flacco says:

        That was 10 years ago……this version of Kimi should have stayed away from F1…….barely beats Grosjean over two years and is getting smacked by Alonso.

        If only he wasn’t so bad at rally car, he could have stayed there and we could have been spared witness to a sharp decline in his open wheel driving skill

  32. Jaakko says:

    It seems that Rosberg is taking a psycholigical edge over Lewis. I consider Lewis slightly faster over Nico but Nico is mentally much more stable, hence less error-prone. In 2007 Lewis lost the championship because his nerves cracked. The same thing occurred almost in 2008 as well. The same cracking seems to be taking place in 2014 championship as well…

    I think by the end of the season, Nico will be the one waiving the WDC trophy.

    1. Sami says:

      A very hasty conclusion, in 2007 Lewis lost the championship because he lacked experience. Period. And after all the “spygate” affair, it would have been a tainted championship anyway, so I do consider it was better for him to succeed in 2008.
      He is not cracking, I think he is learning to get it all together step by step. He is my favourite for the WDC by miles. If he was giving in to pressure, he would never have finished second today.


    2. KRB says:

      He’ll waive it? To whom?

    3. matt says:

      nicos made errors in quali this season,and even in some races.how short some ppls memories are.he actually made a error in q3,he also made a mistake in monaco q3.and in some of the wet quali’s too.

      1. rad_g says:

        But Nico isn’t as childish as the British champ is. Anybody else noticed the “me and my boyz” pics on Nico’s twitter profile? Kinda funny. Hamilton, stop being “me lovez you all” and just focus on driving.

      2. ReviLO says:

        So Hamilton is not supposed to post a picture up of him and his friends because you may take exception to it.. Grow up.

  33. Stephen Taylor says:

    In terms of body language is Kimi not very motivated to perform at the moment? Your view James and if so are his car struggles the main factor for this being the case?

    1. James Allen says:

      I picked up from Italian colleagues that there may have been some special Kimi parts on the car to help his issues, but it’s not really happening for the 2007 champ, is it? He’s now 60 points behind Alonso!

      1. Anil Parmar says:

        Incredibly Alonso is only a few points behind Ricciardo for 3rd place in the championship! Impressive given how poor the car is.

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @ anil parmar…. incredibly ricciardo is still ahead of alonso in 3rd place given just how poor the renault/red bull is……

      3. Rohind says:

        I really doubt if the car is that poor as it is projected to be( Obviously,not comparing it to the Mercs). It is definitely very reliable ( we have not seen any Alonso retirements ) and the new upgrades seem to be working very well.It’s race pace also looks pretty decent.

        We have seen before also Alonso downplaying the car and hyping up himself.Remember his statement that he finished second in the championship in 2013 without second fastest car.Though actually, Ferrari had very good reliability and extremely good race pace even though it qualified poorly. Also it had a good clutch system which helped Massa and Alonso to make those quick starts.

        Alonso is doing a good job.No doubt.But Kimi’s poor performance in contrast is putting him in a higher pedestal than needed to be

      4. Gaz Boy says:

        60 points and counting James!
        Also, Silverstone and Hockenhiem are up next, where Nando is always mighty.

      5. kenneth chapman says:

        @ james…when assessing the relative performances of the drivers i am fastly coming to the opinion that we are seeing an evolution of typology when it comes to actual racing.

        as an example i see ricciardo developing along a very similar style to that of alonso. both have great racecraft, both can adapt their driving style to extract the very best out of what they are given, and both can pull off stylistically daring passes. neither of these guys get over emotional and both just get on with the job.

        conversely i see vettel and raikonnen as both out of the same mold in many ways. neither of these drivers seem to be able to get any decent performances out of cars that are not specifically tailored to their individual styles. both of them seem to make silly mistakes, raikonnen in monaco and vettel in austria, are two examples. both of them possess latent potential but they appear unable to access that as they don’t have any flexibilty.

        i have always maintained that raikonnen is vastly overrated and i think that this is becoming more obvious as the season develops. vettel, as a 4 x WDC, is being shown up on an even grander scale. it must be humiliating for him. yes, he has been given webber’s car but even taking out the DNF’s he is still not exhibiting the talent that he was purported to have.

        i’m sure that there are other opinions that exist to reflect different observations. it would be interesting to see them. finally we see hamilton being denied the win that some posters see as being inevitably ‘his due’ as being a faster driver. if he was simply a faster driver how was it that he still couldn’t put a pass on rosberg? the same question that carried over from canada really.

      6. Jon says:

        Vettel has had 3 DNFs or it would be much closer although he has been out qualified by Dan. Season isn’t over yet!!

      7. keke says:

        I think the previous red bull car swith their blown exhausts has made Sebee soft and making it difficult for him to drive a non dominant car. Seb needs is car on rails, but the rb10 is no bullet train, hence Ricci is beating Seb.

      8. Gaz Boy says:

        Don’t want to burst any bubbles, but Nando is a very emotional character. Ask Ron Dennis about 2007………….or Chris Dyer about Abu Dhabi 2010………….or Luca about Nando’s comments at Hungary last year.
        Nando is a very intense bloke who wears his heart on his sleeve, but that can be very, very wearing and tiring for anyone who works for him. I don’t think Daniel has that same combustible personality outside of the car.
        I admire Nando’s commitment and tenacious doggedness when he’s behind the wheel, but the intensity of his personality does cause issues.
        I actually think Mr R personality wise is like Mark or Jenson: a sensible, down to earth, rounded, worldly wise undemonstrative sort of bloke who you wouldn’t mind having a pint down the local pub at Silverstone with!
        Sounds a bit like John Bull…………….

      9. greg says:

        You are right, because the Ferrari is not built around Alonso in any way at all.

      10. Elie says:

        James did you also pick up from your Italian colleagues that Kimi did not have DRS for the first part of the race? I saw an online interview with italian media where it was mentioned. What about the reports that Kimi was asked to back off the brakes because they were over heating after only 2 laps.

        The handling problems Kimi acknowledged were a set up gamble from Friday but lets not forget he still moved up to 7 th after the first lap and then the team left him out in the cold with No tyres again where 3 cars passed him during that first stop!.

        I feel sorry for Raikkonen but then it just goes to show how fickle f1 is -most fans have already forgtten Vettel and the few loyal ones are saying he will be back.. But those same people have trashed Kimi far worse and hes still done far better job relatively than Vettel and its in a far more successful team in red bull.

      11. Anil Parmar says:

        Many drivers had overheating problems today, not just Kimi. Alonso didn’t have that problem because he was in clean air for the whole of the race; if Kimi qualified better it wouldn’t have been an issue for him. Shame about the DRS..Kimi needs to sort out his side of the garage pronto. When he’s struggling for pace so badly he at least needs the car to perform.

        That said, it’s silverstone next. Kimi has always been decent at the faster tracks so I hope he does better :)

      12. Elie says:

        @Anil – after 2 laps ???.. Whats up with that..

      13. Krischar says:

        @ James allen

        Special kimi parts? what are those?

        Can you enlight us?

        From what i have observed kimi is not versatile enough. Ferrari cars have been always difficult to drive for quite some time now because of the poor technical crew and lack of superlative engineers. I always believe a pilot should perform across all conditions and at any tough situation.

        I see only one pilot in the grid who can deliver at all times irrespective of the machinery he drives for

    2. John Bond says:

      Raikkonen does not like the handling of the car so he cannot qualify as well as Alonso. The way I saw the race is, Raikkonen lost the places during the first stop. The question is, why Ferrari did not bring him in before Alonso? I guess Ferrari did not try to maximize the points, Ferrari was afraid not to anger Alonso. Alonso had 8 seconds lead over the driver behind him, I think it was Hulkenberg, while Raikkonen was in the middle of 4 or 5 cars fighting for position. They brought him in when his tyres were already gone. Interestingly, Raikkonen could have got a podium at the drivers’ circuit before he was hit by Chilton, which suggests that he still knows how to drive.

    3. sami says:

      Ferrari’s pitstop strategy didn’t make him happy either. He lost two places in his inlap in one of his pitstops because they kept him out too long. Which happened often to Massa too. Coincidence?

      1. H.Guderian (ALO fan) says:

        Coincidence? NOPE!!!

        Best strategy goes to the NUMBER ONE DRIVER.

        The one 60 points ahead his teamate and the one who is fighting Williams and RBR´s (and winning).

      2. Jon says:

        Great response.

      3. Sri says:

        Good. then Ferrari have given up WCC and can massage the ego of Alonso to win 3rd or 4th place in WDC.

      4. Elie says:

        Exactly & for the ill informed below..Raikkonen was never racing Alonso he was in 7th and Ferrari could have maintained at least 7th without any pressure on Alonso or the pit crew…really stupid strategy..Oh well it cost them 2 or 3 more points bad luck !!

    4. Jari says:

      Intresting that when during the race Kimi was asked to increase the pace (couple of tenths I think) to beat Button, well he answered the kimi style but anyway picked up the pace by almost five tenths. Correct me if I’m wrong.

      So if he is pushed a little bit, he can do better. I think there are some motivation issues with him, but they are due to the car that doesn’t feel right to him and also particularly in this race due to some technical issues why he had to ease the pace during first laps and then lost all those places in first pitstop.

      In general also he probably expected something else when coming back to Ferrari, so in my view it is somehow understandable. He wants to fight for the win and the win only, and when the car is not getting better (with lotus the story was different), the spirit is not so high in his end of the garage.

      But he is a fighter by nature, i think once they see the light at end of the tunnel, things will be different.

      1. Sri says:

        Exactly. He does not care for lower places. Put him in 3rd or 4th in the race as seen in Monaco, and he matched Mercedes and runs faster than Alonso. He also does the fastest lap in the race in the end when in lower positions. So if he was consistent with that speed he can get places, but he wont. Why? He only likes a top car and does not care less for weak ones unlike Alonso.

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @ sri…yes he did put in the fastest lap in monaco…on a brand new set of supersofts when the track was fully rubbered in and he only had fumes left in tank.doesn’t say much really.

      3. Elie says:

        No its because he was first told to back off as his brakes were over heating

      4. Sujith says:

        Actually read what Kimi said. He was told to drive slowly because they had to manage a brake problem. 2 Laps into the race he was asked to slow down!

        That prompted the reply.. “Give me Full power then!” when he was told he was racing Button. Motivation is a word a lot of people use. He would not be here, if he was not motivated.

        He came back to Ferrari because of Allison. He very well knows this is a transitional year and he has to put up with the rut Alonso has put Ferrari in. Next year, if Ferrari make use of the winter to get their engine sorted, Allison’s chassis might be competitive even if not for a championship. Then we’ll see a different story.

        It is pretty much same with Nico Rosberg too. After 2013 nobody expected much of him against Hamilton. But now, he is staring at a possible WDC he ups his game and is so so so better a driver than he was last year!

      5. Steve S says:

        “It is pretty much same with Nico Rosberg too. After 2013 nobody expected much of him against Hamilton.”

        People must not have been paying attention in 2013 then. He drove just as well as Hamilton last season, though he had the lions share of the reliability problems.

  34. Sujith says:

    Was there a doubt in that result? Not at all. Rosberg has all the tools he needs to fight Lewis. Atleast now people should see he can take Lewis in a straight fight.

    The damage was already done yesterday with his mistakes in Quali. I was also kinda expecting Bottas to get the upper hand over Massa too. A great race! Don’t know why Ferrari did not pit Kimi early to cover Magnussen. Kimi would have atleast managed to finish 6th behind Alonso and better points for the team. I really don’t understand why Ferrari time and time again forgets that there are 2 cars out there of their’s racing, not just one?

    1. Elie says:


  35. Brett says:

    Ferrari are ruining Raikkonen’s career with their dumb stradigies. Why didn’t they pit him on lap 12 or 13? They threw away two place by letting him get undercut by Hulkenberg and Ricciardo. Raikkonen made a good start and was running 7th and he ends up finishing 10th without anyone actually passing him on the track.

    1. sami says:

      Maybe they are not interested in picking up maximum points for the team in races. Ferrari is desperately trying to win a championship with Alonso and the other driver is irrelevant. But all he can do is to piss his pants when he is given the championship winning car like he had 2010 and 2012. Kimi won the title in his first attempt and brought three titles to his team during his first visit with Ferrari. Alonso hasn’t won anythig noteworthy at Ferrari and never will.

  36. Peter says:

    What the hell Ferrari is doing with Kimi’s pitbstop timing? Its not the first time that he is one place behind Alonso and loses three or four positions with the pit strategy only. Please get Mark Slade back for Kimi.

    1. sami says:

      Maybe Kimi got too close to Fernando?

      1. H.Guderian (ALO fan) says:

        Kimi is 0.3s per lap slower than Alonso (to say the least).
        In some cases hes was ONE SECOND slower!!!

        It´s really funny to see how people cannot simply accept the fact that Alonso is way faster than Kimi.

        Kimi always have problems. The track is to cold for Kimi. The wet race does not suits him. The car does not suit his driving style, etc, etc, etc. Endless excuses.

        Fact is that Kimi is doing worst THAN MASSA against Alonso.
        Kimi will be fired (again).

      2. Jon says:

        Agree – Alonso haters still digging deep to discredit Ferrari and Alonso. Ferrari is paying Kimi 20 million to lose to Alonso – grow up guys!

      3. Sujith says:

        Nobody’s saying here Kimi was fast and he could have beaten Alonso. He could have still finished behind Alonso but at a higher position with the team getting more points.

        Is it Ferrari’s obligation to keep Kimi behind Alonso with a big gap?? Or do Championship points don’t matter?

      4. sami says:

        Is he really doing worse than Massa?

      5. Krischar says:

        Very well said mate

        Tireless excuses in favour of kimi does not make him better. Kimi was Abysmal on track. Lap times nor points table do not lie. Yet here in this site there is always constant alonso bashing happens for no reason really.

        Why Ferrari have to pit kimi early ? what he will achieve ? IN fact nothing. Ferrari themselves know only one pilot out there who cares about racing and points for the team whereas the other drives for fun and cash nothing else.

        Finally as you said even Massa fared better against Alonso than kimi does this season.

        Dumb support from certain fans section and tireless excuses time after time does not mask kimi from the gaze. KImi is not good enough

      6. Elie says:

        Exactly Sami!- most discerning F1 followers understand this – other here DONT

      7. kenneth chapman says:

        @ elie…… the week end comedy award is all yours.

      8. Elie says:

        @Kenneth -”I was responding to…” Sami.. But I will accept this one cause I’m not a biatch : )

    2. Bart says:

      Does Mark Slade make pitstop calls?

  37. Jon says:

    It seems that Nico’s winning time difference is the different in the pit stop time. Why is Lewis’ pit stop always longer then Nico’s? This appears to be the pattern all year long.

    1. James Allen says:

      In Montreal, second stop, Rosberg’s stop was slower and it handed the race lead to Hamilton

      These things tend to even out

      1. Elie says:

        Yes but Nico can exceed the track limits whenever he likes and not incur penalties..

        Nico will win this championship because he is a German driver in a German car & James you spin all you like that its English, Malaysian, etc, etc but Im pretty sure when Joe average googles Mercedes it says German car manufacturer with a German Daimler board!!

        People on this site and others – have to understand – The best and fastest racers in F1 even in the best teams dont win. Its the politics and money in the team that finishes 1st every time- everything else is secondary sometimes 3rd or last.

      2. Anil Parmar says:

        I have family who work for Mercedes…It’s entirely British, from the mechanics to the guys in the factory. Even the engine was built by Brits. Lewis is very popular in the team as a result of this.

        Nico exceeded track limits once in Montreal hence why he didn’t get a penalty (you had to exceed limits twice to get a penalty). Can I suggest letting it go?

      3. Gravity says:

        [mod] Mercedes can’t be more transparent & fair than they have been so far – period. I’ll not blame the stewards as well so far – couple of tight ones – but they were tight calls.

        Yes, Lewis (from my perspective) is more talented than Nico – But is that all thats needed – ofcourse not.

        Whoever wins the title deserves it – its still a 50:50 if not 60 (lewis):40 from my perspective.

      4. Sujith says:

        Non-sense! This so called German team did not mind Lewis’s winning streak at the early flyaways up to Spain.

        Really it surprises me that you would say something like this Elie. This sport could do well without a lot of Lewis Drama!! Why can’t people accept the fact that Rosberg can sometimes have the upper-hand on him? It was a straight fight, PIT-STOPS can be slow like James said. No need to put conspiracy theories here.

        None of the fans do want to know if he stopped on his marks correctly or not. TED KRAVITZ reported he saw Lewis’s slow reaction time at the pit-stops.

        I really don’t understand why every single one here has to go with the “Germans are Cold!” statement always. It’s unsporting to stereotype.

      5. Elie says:

        Guys.. Firstly I’m sick of hearing this crazy spin about Mercedes AMG-
        - Yes the F1 team is based in England with many English people, but please ALL of you address the fact Mercedes brand is German- without it does not exist in F1 !!! – TRUE or FALSE

        - Either Nico & Lewis are almost certain to win the WDC ( and the WCC) correct ?.. If it is nip and tuck between them. Who do you think Mercedes head office will NIP & Who do you think it will TUCK??

        & – If came down to it – do any of you think it will risk its public perception by saying so ??.. the gap between the two are small (in most cases)!so it comes accross as very believable. Even if it ends up in hamiltons favour – its in their interest to keep it close with all the support back home in Germany.

        Some of you can laugh at it but after Ferraris very public dismantling of Raikkonen ( or otherwise as the foolish few will believe). Why on earth would they re-hire him if it werent all a croc-a -sh..

        This is big big business with high corporate image at play.. And sadly us fans & our appreciation of true sport are often secondary to all of that.

      6. Joe flacco says:

        Elie…why did Kimi sign with Ferrari after being ‘dismantled’ in 2009?
        Such a superstar…goes back to a team that embarrassed him cos he had no other option.
        Actually he could have stuck with Lotus and raced for free……again!

        Which team manager would choose Kimi over Fernando atm?……not even Ron

    2. Rob Newman says:

      On the first pit stop, Hamilton over shot his pit box. On the second, it was due to a damage where the mechanic had to handle it carefully. Also, Hamilton was slower in getting away than Nico. Either way, Hamilton was not going to get pole nor going to win. Nico had it well covered both in qualifying and in the race.

      1. furstyferret says:

        Nico had lewis covered in qually? If lewis hadnt lost it on the 1st run, rosberg wouldnt have got close, I know shoulda coulda didnt, but lewis just needs to get his qually mojo back, people seem to forget in the 6 races hes finished, he’s had 4 wins to 2nd places, add 2 dnfs, the way everyone is talking you’d think the start of the seasons been a disaster, lewis has had run of results, now nico, this is how the season will probably go, barring a run of dnfs for either driver..

      2. KRB says:

        Did you even watch qualifying? Hamilton just needed to put in an ordinary S3 and he would’ve had pole. He went for it on his banker lap – unwisely in my opinion – and it cost him.

        If Hamilton was on pole, he would’ve pulled away from Rosberg. He was clearly quicker on this track than Nico. Missed opportunity.

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        @ KRB….. there is no way that you can state that as a fact. yes, you might think so but it is all conjecture. as for the statement that hamilton was ‘clearly quicker’ once again you can’t say that as a fact. if he was quicker then why didn’t he pass rosberg? he didn’t because he couldn’t….and that is a fact.

      4. KRB says:

        Not stating it as fact. It’s my opinion, which I believe is not unreasonable.

        It’s one thing to be quicker, it’s another to be so much quicker that you are able to pass. Lewis was on average over the weekend around 0.2-0.3 secs quicker than Rosberg around that track. His fastest lap was over 0.3 secs faster than Nico’s. The gap between Lewis and Nico was never more than 2.5 secs, the entire race, and that’s with Lewis having ERS power issues (exclusive to him in the Merc team), and managing his brakes (shared problem with Nico). I’m just saying that if Lewis was in front, Lewis would’ve been able to pull away from Nico. Again, that’s my opinion, which you are able to share or discount, at your pleasure.

      5. C63 says:

        @KRB +1

        Imagine if the mod’s on JA restricted the comments section to absolute facts, rather then opinion and conjecture? It would be quite brief and far less entertaining – don’t you think?

      6. kenneth chapman says:

        @KRB……..we all know about opinions but there is no evidence to support your theory. your points are simply conjecture that cannot be tested therefore they have no credibility other than to demonstrate wishful thinking.

        are you saying that despite hamilton being so fast that he could actually pull away from rosberg that together with DRS he still couldn’t make a pass? the faster driver ultimately wins the race.

        i will give you an example to think about. ricciardo spent many laps tucked up under the rear wing of hulkenberg who was powered by the fastest PU on the circuit. ricciardo put a skilfull/daring pass on hulkenberg first down the inside then around the outside and made it stick. all in a lowly powered renault engined red bull.

        if ricciardo could pull that kind of move off, why couldn’t hamilton emulate him? because on the day he was outperformed by rosberg. accept it. hamilton was done over in fine fashion and all the excuses in the world will not change the record books.

      7. Elie says:

        @KRB- Your correct- watching the live timing Lewis was quicker & the commentators even said he was up 3/10 in his last quali run. Unfortunately you need to spoon feed some people before they get it. But at the end of the day he messed it up.

        Lewis lost 2.9 sec in the race in pit stop diff ( 1.9 first 1 in the sec) . The first was mainly his fault. He was 9/10 with a few laps left. Its more than possible he would have been ahead of Nico even after the first stop & very likely. Given he passed 5 cars to get to Nico then manage his fuel/ tyres/ brakes -he did an incredible job just to get 2nd. He definitely could not pass in the end but he could easily have passed during or just after either pit stop.

      8. kenneth chapman says:

        @ C63……regarding your hypothetical re ‘facts and opinions’. yes it would make a vast difference. surely though when one postulates a theoretical answer it should be qualified rather than being stated as a view beyond reasonable doubt. a viewpoint that cannot be supported. then again that poster seems to think that very few people ‘have a clue’.

        hamilton himself has stated that his pitstops did not effect his final placing!! secondly, no one to date has given me an answer as to why, if ricciardo, in a sub standard car could put a pass on hulkenberg why hamilton in a vastly superior car couldn’t pass rosberg. after all a lot of people here seem to think that hamilton is light years ahead in the talent stakes.

        facts, points on the board, lesser mistakes on track and superior racecraft are all contributing to rosberg’s superiority ATM. this may not last, it could even unravel starting at silverstone but right now, this very minute, hamilton is no.2 and rosberg in no.1. a fact.

      9. KRB says:

        @Ken, re: the Ricciardo on Hulk pass … did you really think about it long and hard? Do you remember back to Bahrain … where was Ricciardo pulling off his passes there? Up into Turn 11 after the back straight. And why? B/c the RB10 is very good at keeping tight in the corners and being able to power through them. If I’m not mistaken Ricciardo passed Hulk up into Turn 11 during the Bahrain GP as well.

        Likewise in Austria, Ricciardo’s car was better able to keep tight to the inside line, coming out of turn 3. That’s how he was able to get alongside, and then he flew past him around the outside as he outbraked Hulk into Turn 4.

        There were other factors of course … Hulk had pitted on lap 39, while Ricciardo last pitted on lap 43. So his tires were 4 laps fresher than Hulk’s. Meanwhile, in the last stint, Rosberg’s tires were 1 lap fresher than Lewis’.

        Also, on the last two laps, Hulk got screwed while clearing lapped cars, specifically Gutierrez and Ericsson. From laps 66 to 68, Hulk lapped faster than Ricciardo. On lap 66 GUT and ERI were over 12 seconds up the road from them, but by lap 69 GUT was less than 3 secs ahead of HUL-RIC. They cleared GUT on lap 70 (HUL lost 0.2s to RIC), and ERI on the final lap.

        There are two vids out there of the pass, if you want to check them out. One is from RIC’s perspective, closing on HUL, while the other is the view from HUL’s rear wing, looking backwards.

        In the second video, you can see GUT and ERI fighting it out in behind the HUL/RIC dice. But in the first video, you can see that HUL never had DRS, so he must’ve passed ERI before the DRS detection point into Turn 2, while RIC got DRS (either off HUL or ERI). In the first video, watch as they both take Turn 3 … HUL struggles mightily, having to correct with lots of opposite-lock, while RIC just turns the wheel, holds it, and just gets on the power. And he was on the inside line!

        It is a great pass, that’s for sure. Ricciardo is the real deal … he’s quick, and he can pass. But for that pass, he was also aided by the respective nature of the two cars, his fresher tires (vis-a-vis HUL), and the backmarker traffic.

      10. matt says:

        to say he had it well covered in quali and the race is incorrect.in q3 lewis time was good enough for pole before making his first mistake.nico also made a mistake on his second run in q3,but it obviously wasnt as costly as nico’s.

  38. Olivier says:

    Isn’t this circuit a tad too short?

    I love the scenery but it is a shame the circuit cannot make use of its old glory (and character). Seventy short laps has made me feel dizzy …can’t the old layout be re-considered?

    1. Tom says:

      I think at some point a while back Red Bull were considering an extension to the circuit using part of the old Osterreichring. The old banked ‘Dr Tiroch’ corner would have been restored – think that would have been quite an interesting layout but no idea what came of the plans in the end. I agree that the current circuit is rather short for F1.

      1. Anil Parmar says:

        I believe the local town did not agree to it due to ‘noise concerns’ but given the current turbo engines they might just change their minds lol. The original track is utterly brilliant imo.

  39. kal says:

    Say what you want, merc are favouring rosberg, its sickening. and this mr “hey im chilled out and im a rapper with p diddy and celeb with rhianaa” is gonna cost him the championship. He should have done it senna’s way and declared war after what rosberg did in Monaco!

    1. James Allen says:

      Is that why they pay Lewis more salary?

      1. Dave says:

        Agreed. I’m a huge Lewis fan, but there is no way I see favoritism in either direction. They would look foolish to pay him more and favor the other driver. Completely illogical – which by the way – is kinda anti-German.

      2. josh says:

        Hamilton’s salary details are publicised by Simon Fuller and his management company much as David Beckham’s football contract details were in former times. But what you will know, and know better than most, is that Vettel is by far the highest earner in F1 and has been for at least four years, closely followed by Alonso and now Kimi. Salary is petty cash to these guys, it’s all the other stuff that makes them rich (think Scumacher at Ferrari with his Agnelli agreements, think Keanu Reeves and his profit share in the Matrix trilogy or think Sir Alex Guiness and his role in the Star Wars films).

        Lewis is getting peanuts relative to some others. But if he can finally deliver ……………..

      3. ROHIND says:

        Alonso is the highest paid driver in F1 followed by Hamilton, Raikkonen and Vettel

      4. Kenneth M'boy says:

        Now there’s a race, Schumacher (in his Ferrari prime) vs Neo (from Matrix 1 only) vs Obi Wan. Actually when you look at it all these guys had bad sequels (or prequels if you will). Mercedes killed Schueys invincible image, the Matrix 2 & 3 made Neo look like a wet sock and Obi Wan was the only decent character in George Lucas’ pathetic new Star Wars films. Can’t believe he still hasn’t apologised to the galaxy for those movies.

        My money’s on Schuey. Legend.

      5. matt says:

        salary doesnt matter.brawn wanted lewis,not toto.the contract was signed with brawn in charge.and at the end of the day,they have to pay lewis the money regardless of whether he win the wdc with them or not.and lewis has also said that his car kept losin power during the race.they changed lewis brake bias without telling him,he got 2 slow pitstops,which has been the case most of the time.very rarely does nico get slower pitstops AND lewis has said this…Hamilton said: “I easily had the pace [to win] but something was weird. My power was dropping and his wasn’t and we need to investigate what that was. We’re always trying to manage power. Perhaps we could have been a bit more optimal.”

      6. KRB says:

        Lewis said this when? After this race?

      7. Brian Bell says:

        They need Hamilton on the team so that Rosberg can get his data.

      8. kenneth chapman says:

        hahaha cool riposte.

      9. Elie says:

        Its so he can teach Nico how to drive & they can be sure of 1 & 2 either way.

    2. Anil Parmar says:

      A british based team with British mechanics supporting the German? You wish mate. Lewis keeps making mistakes and it’s infuriating. He really needs to be perfect at Silverstone.

      1. Elie says:

        Look up Mercedes & I.m Pretty sure it says “German”. The F1 team is based in Brackerly / Brixworth. But Im pretty sure thats not where the €300+ million is coming from… Just saying ….

      2. KRB says:

        Ok, but there are plenty of non-German athletes out there with Mercedes sponsorship:

        Tennis: Li Na (CHN), Federer (SUI), Djokovic (SRB)

        Golf: Sorenstam (SWE), Adam Scott (AUS), Rickie Fowler (USA)

        Of course they also sponsor the German National football team, and also Martin Kaymer, recent 2014 U.S. Open champion.

        I’m sure not all the mechanics or engineers in the Mercedes AMG F1 team are British, but a majority likely are (definitely a plurality). They might just like Nico over Lewis b/c Nico’s been there with them through all the crap years (2010-12) as well. Who knows?

        I hope that Mercedes wouldn’t do anything stupid, and favour one over the other. If they favoured Nico over Lewis, and evidence of it got out into the public, the fallout could be huge. Comparisons to Jesse Owens vs the Nazi’s, or Louis vs Schmeling, might find their way into the press. Not the sort of press that MB would be looking for. Plus Nico has said in the past he doesn’t consider himself as ‘German’, but instead as ‘European’.

        I think MB knows who would be their lead “warrior driver” when the battle commences against an external rival. I can’t see why they would sabatoge Lewis. Unless of course Rosberg has some photos …. :-)

  40. CHEESYPOOF says:

    What a wonderful procession today… I mean race. Yikes.. is all I have to say about that. I have a feeling Alonso in a Williams would have had a race win this season. Good job by Bottas. I can’t believe that some fans are claiming Mercedes are sabotaging Hamilton’s pit stops by a second or two because he’s not German. Sure don’t blame it on Hamilton’s quite pathetic qualifying performance at this race. While proclaiming the lack of justice, I guess they forgot that Hamilton’s spin cost Rosberg the completion of his qualifying lap. Rosberg might have been on pole.

    But then again some fans are starved of success given their team is out of the World Cup, so blame the Germans. I’m sure the theories of injustice will increase when Andy Murray gets knocked out of Wimbledon…

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      hahaha….will andy murray get slower pit stops?

  41. Paul says:

    Hi James. I was wondering if you could either answer my question or try and find out about the fuel situation/ usage in the race as I’m struggling to understand the following

    HAM had I believe around 2kg less fuel usage on the last graphic I saw in the race. Assuming that 100kg of fuel weighed 0.8 kg a litre so the max a car could start with is 125 litres that means around this track its 1.7kg a lap average?

    That would mean he had approx 1.3 extra laps of fuel to burn in the chase to the end so I was wondering did they actually use that fuel as we heard Merc on the radio saying both drivers were on the same settings. (do the FIA publish the final usage after the races are over by the way?

    If he didn’t then what’s the point of using less fuel/ being more efficient if you don’t or can’t use it?

    1. Paul says:

      Sorry I meant 1.7 litre a lap not kg

    2. James Allen says:

      He probably started with less than 100kg. Each Kilo is carefully considered as it has a lap time impact

  42. RichB says:

    I saw Horner give Renault a serious ticking off again, red bull are 2nd in the championship and the only team other than Mercedes to win (didn’t see him congratulate Renault on that win) so it’s not too bad. Renault know they need to improve, just let them get on with it.

  43. Hiten says:

    For some reason I didnt find race interesting except for opening laps..then 2 mercs and 2 williams putting their guns down together to conserve their car when behind force india..that was a joke!! all was about strategy which also didnt require too much of brain..no interesting move except by dan on hulk in last lap!

    i doubt RB/ Lotus fans will be returning to watch the race in Austria next year! Grandstand will be half full next year.

    1. Lohani says:

      I believe so too. The first 4 cars in the early stint were doing just that (if not all cars too) – managing to keep the gap, but not pushing. They were getting the initial race phase out the way. Same thing happened in the 2nd stint, too. The formula for 2014 is management for 90% of the race with 10% left for pushing, by which time it’s too late. At the end, strategy won.

      The relative differences in laptimes between the 2 compounds and fuel usage are giving semblances of raciness, when, in fact, it’s all artificial.

      Here’s an idea – discuss possible scenarios and strategies with the drivers before the race. Then, leave the drivers to do what they can based on that info in the races themselves. How about this? Limit the number of radio communications between driver and team. We’ll then know which driver is adapting to the new regulations better than others.

      Has anyone watched horse racing? That is exactly what F1 is now. The driver is as much a machine as the cars they’re driving. The real driving is being done by the engineers.

  44. Hiten says:

    maybe I am stating obvious but after watching all the races this season I feel Ros vs Ham duel is just a hype during race day….car in front is always going to win..commentators always gets excited just for no reason..guess thats what they get paid for!

  45. greg says:

    Ferrari made a bad decision. I don’t think Kimi could have finished ahead of Alonsi, but he could have been higher and collected more points for the team. They are only harming themselves, Kimi is not in the championship so he is not too concerned.

    1. BluesPaul says:


      the Kimi fans have deserted this forum for now.

      But while ferrari’s drivers are out of title consideration, there is still the CC …. which will be lost to f india and maybe others … unless ferr decide to work for their 2 drivers. or is it too late

      1. greg says:

        It just so happens that I consider Kimi my god (not just for his racing skills) and me his biggest fan. I am just not a fanboy, I can accept reality.
        And it is not too late, remember Force India last year. They caught up fast but The Hulk was the only one carrying them. If Ferrari convert their attention to both drivers then they could get third or maybe second in the CC.

      2. Elie says:

        @Greg we will get along just fine then. Because I have watched every clip of Raikkonen driving and followed him since 2001-the guys phenominal.Everyone here will tell you Im his staunchest supporter. I Like Hamiltons driving but hes too much capt hollywood.

        If Ferrari get their act together they can improve in the second half. But it seems to me they’ve got serious problems in their technical team and are just focused on one garage. They will just focus on next years car and getting Alonso in a strong position to keep him. & have drivers testing things for 2015.they will still have a go but I dont think they will fight tooth & nail for it..Hope Im wrong because there are some great GP’s comin up.

  46. KRB says:

    All in all, a very good spectacle. There was a lot going on at this track, plus this track’s scenery is just amazing. Elevation changes are great for F1 tracks.

    Great starting lap by Lewis, and a great pass on Alonso down into Turn 8. Probably pass of the day, off the top of my head. Or second to Ricciardo’s great pass on Hulk in the last laps.

    Hamilton wasn’t helped by the pit stop times today. Over the two stops, he lost 1.643 secs to Rosberg (44.781 secs total time, compared to 43.138 for Rosberg). His total two-stops time was the worst of anyone on the lead lap, except for Perez, but there Force India had no need to rush his 2nd stop, and he was comfortably ahead of Hulkenburg who was his main race focus at the time.

    Also I must mention the total “open door” that Button showed Rosberg on lap 13 (which was Lewis’ in-lap, he stayed out an extra 2 laps from Rosberg JA), into Turn 2. I understand that you don’t want to get in the way of the title fight, but at that point Jenson was ahead on merit – running longer on the primes – so why be such an easy lay? I mean it was embarrassing how much he left the door open, Rosberg came from far back. Jenson should be defending the inside there, even if he knows Rosberg will get him on the run down to Turn 3 with DRS. At least make a show of fighting for position, instead of waving Rosberg through. Seriously, Button moved over faster and further than any soon-to-be-lapped car did out there today!!! It was quite dispiriting racing.

    I have to wonder why Merc called Hamilton in on lap 13 … he had just posted his 2nd fastest lap of the race on lap 12, the Williams’ tires were going off, and Merc hadn’t cleared Perez for the pit-stop window. I guess hindsight is 20/20, and it was probably the right call to make at that point, but I think there was a definite missed chance for an overcut.

    Getting stuck behind Bottas in the PER-ROS-BOT-HAM-MAS train hurt HAM in that 2nd stint. If he was behind ROS, it would’ve made the race that much more interesting.

    JA, do the FIA or FOM post final “fuel usage” stats anywhere, for the race? Again Hamilton used 2.5-3.0 kg less fuel. Obviously he would have lesser fuel onboard, than Rosberg, at the start of the race and throughout. I think this has to be a conscious choice on Rosberg’s part, to run more fuel, but to use more power, through the race. If he could copy Hamilton’s style so as to use less fuel, I’m sure he would, if he thought there was an advantage to doing so. Any way you could get an inside line from Mercedes about that? That’d be awesome if you could.

    Streaks extended

    Consecutive points streak: ROS 17, ALO 11, HUL 10, RIC 6
    Consecutive podiums: ROS 8

    Streaks ended

    Consecutive front rows: HAM 7, Merc 8


    * Only ROS and ALO have raced every lap this season
    * The only DWC not to have a DNF since 1991 (when all scores first counted towards the DWC) is MSC in 2002 (VET just 1 in 2011 & 2013)

    1. James Allen says:

      Not that I know of

    2. BluesPaul says:


      Hamilton was perfection in the early part of the race. But there was a moment in the closing chase when rosb locked and went wide, but ham was a little slow, maybe even sleepy, and he himself twitched the wrong way in sympathy instead of pouncing. You may disagree but i think LH is suffering from lack of physical fitness, translating into less than top mental readiness.

      I say that in the spirit of constructive fanhood!

      1. KRB says:

        That was on the final lap, into Turn 3, right? Hamilton made a little twitch, but even if it was perfect he was still too far back to have a go at Rosberg then.

        I don’t see his physical fitness being suspect … he looks in great shape. Unless he’s seriously under optimum weight, which could then affect his mental readiness. I don’t believe that’s the case though.

        Being behind BOT in the 2nd stint cost him today. With the apparent fuel weight advantage that Hamilton holds over Rosberg, the advantage is greatest at the start of the race and deteriorates as the race goes on. So getting stuck behind Bottas in the 2nd stint, when Hamilton has usually been better on the softs than Nico, at least in the initial warm-up phase, likely took away his best chance of getting past.

      2. Thompson says:

        The drivers were given team orders to hold position – it was coded, but both were told to use the same engine settings during the last stint.

        Its been mentioned in this thread already – Ted picked up on it too explaining it was a mid setting.

        The cars I believe were border line with breaks and over heating they were not racing.

  47. Scepter says:

    James why is DRS, with the larger gap in the wing is so ineffective this year compared with years past?. I remember last year, if the Ferrari even gets a sniff of another car in the DRS zone it would easily overtake them, this year it’s been impossible to do if the cars have the same power units.

    1. James Allen says:

      Ferrari has less power on straights, so that’s a factor

      Good question, though, I will check it out

    2. Elie says:

      The answer is that rear wing plane has reduced from 300mm to 200mm in 2014 causing less drag to the lead car and harder for the following car to overtake. So the new DRS opeing has inceased from 50mm to 100mm I think.

    3. Anil Parmar says:

      Ferrari are completely down on power at the moment. Last year they were one of the fastest in a straight line with DRS but now they are slower in a straight line than the Merc teams, regardless of whether they are using DRS or not.

      It’s painful :(

  48. alexander supertramp says:

    Very thrilled for Williams, perhaps they can take the fight to Red Bull for second place. They can definitely aim for Ferrari’s P3, but they will need to be more consistent.

  49. danny says:

    Looks like Williams have finally found their form. Rosberg will have his first world championship if he keeps bringing it home.

  50. atlast says:

    Hi James. Excellet site. Despite finishing 18 seconds behind the winner, thats a lot better than the usual 30 secs with SC or nearly a min with out, have Ferrari finally made some improvements? I know they could not run the updates in the last race, but there was a small improvement here? Wont win any races any time soon, but at least hope they can be in the mix before season end. What do you think?

    For everyone slating either kimi or alonso, grow up. Forza Ferrari

    1. Hunter C says:

      alonso said after the race that the mercs are just ‘playing’ around with them. once he drove up to the back of massa, massa just cruised away. And hamilton at the start, pretty much passing every non-merc powered car by the end of lap 1.

      I’m sure ferrari have made some improvements, but they are still nowhere close to the mercedes. 18 seconds today definitely could’ve been 1 lap+ if merc wanted it.

  51. Random 79 says:

    Webber to Vettel: “Welcome to my world” ;) ;)

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      what a surprise to see webber on stage! he did very very well i thought.when it comes to F1 racing he is a savvy guy and isn’t afraid of asking the questions that any driver would ask. keep the airy fairies away and give webber the gig whenever possible.

      1. Random 79 says:

        As usual these days I switched off before the podium interviews, but by what you say I might just have to go back and watch this one.

      2. AuraF1 says:

        It was great to see Webber and he looked so much happier and healthier than last year. I’m not sure if that was being allowed to eat again with Porsche (his starved POW look last year aged him a lot) or whether he was just smiling that Vettel got his share of the DNFs this year. But he’s definitely been the better of the on stage podium interviewers so far – since he actually asked about racing specifics rather than that boring journo standard, ‘tell me your emotions right now’.

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        @auraF1….webber was a guest commentator at the australian GP this year and he was absolutely spot on, the very best. his commentary on the race specifics was a breath of fresh air and the audience lapped it up.

        obviously the role was rather new to him and he did tend to get a bit carried away with his verbosity but that was in a most pleasant way. so enthusiastic. i just wish that we had more of him up there. he is a very popular figure to the F1 world followers, and yes, he does look a lot happier since he departed the poisonous cocoon woven by Dr marko et al.

        when asked recently in an interview how he was coping with his withdrawal from the F1 world he answered succinctly, ‘look at me, on the grid at le mans driving for porsche, it doesn’t get much better’.

      4. Gravity says:

        Yes, agreed – liked his question to Lewis on pit positioning.

  52. Flawless says:

    Demon start from lewis…any other driver made up 7 places in the race today? Poor taste from nico to blame lewis for not setting pole position. Seems the mercedes psych-gate saga has turned the peanut gallery into professional psychologists over a period of 4 months.

    1. The Preacher says:

      Perez went from 15th to 6th.

  53. Random 79 says:

    Maybe this has been covered already, but why is it that when Rosberg can’t overtake Hamilton it’s because he’s slow, and yet when Hamilton can’t overtake Rosberg it must be a conspiracy?

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      @ random 79….this is exactly the same question i have been asking yet no one has come up with a definitive answer, why? because to date the hamilton clan don’t actually have one?

    2. Torchwood Five says:

      On this occasion at least, Hamilton and Rosberg were both instructed to run in “Strap 6″ mode as they neared the end of the final lap, and Nico having to be reassured that this applies to both cars, suggests to me that it was a team instruction to hold positions.

      Hamilton is known for being a good over-taker. Not 100% perfect, but a good one.

      Nico wasn’t on my radar before Lewis joined Mercedes, so I have no knowledge of his passing skills when he was partnered with Michael Schumacher. Was he good?

      Last year and this one though, I tend to be more surprised than not, if he passes and holds the position.

      1. albert says:

        I agree , maybe we’ll see an instruction for “strap 44″ next time !!!

    3. Elie says:

      @Random &@ Kenneth. Its because when Nico cant overtake its when hes on the Option tyre and Lewis on the prime. When Lewis cant overtake its because they are both on the Prime tyres and Nico can lead foot in the off track or gets 1.9 taster pit stops– oops, oops sorry yep its just a coincidence!!. It also has to do with the fact that hes German and his father is a former champ..

      Hope it clarifies for you..

      1. Gravity says:

        Yes, grapes are sour!

      2. Joe flacco says:

        And Kimi had special parts built for him……….and he still couldn’t touch nando.

        Will Kimi even have a race seat next year? Where can he go when Ferrari tell him ‘arrivardecci’………again?

        V8 super cars…. But must fix power steering

  54. zombie says:

    Are Williams back for good or was this a one off fluke like the Maldonado win in 2012 ?

    1. Random 79 says:

      I’d say Williams are back for now. I wouldn’t call losing 1st and 2nd for 3rd and 4th a fluke – more just a good result given how dominant Mercedes are – but if they can keep up those kind of results for the rest of the season it should* set them up for a solid 2015.

      *note I said should and not will

  55. Waz says:

    Can anyone confirm Alonso’s time in q2 was removed for exceeding track limits as I’m sure it wasn’t ??

    1. Waz says:

      James looking at Hamiltons pace in the first stint do you agree they pitted him to early? Looking at rosbergs pace after he pitted would suggest so

  56. Rohan says:

    A question for you James on fuel usage: It’s been established so far that Lewis is able to use less fuel over a race distance than Nico – from a strategic perspective, is it better for Lewis to A) start with less fuel (thus the weight advantage) or b) start with the same amount but keep the wick burning for more laps, i.e. be on the 100 kg/hr limit for more laps (thus gaining a power advantage)? F1 is all about compromise, so at what point is A > B ?

    This is not just a Lewis vs. Nico question, but a general F1 strategy question for drivers whose style affords lower fuel consumption.

    1. James Allen says:

      Carry less, I guess. But I will ask

    2. C63 says:

      I was reading on another site (Mark Hughes) that Mercedes put less fuel into Hamilton’s car at the start of a race as they know he is a more economic driver. So I guess that’s your answer right there- if they put less fuel in it must be because it’s better to carry less weight than to burn more juice.
      Hope that helps.

  57. BMG says:

    Good on Bottas, Massa always fades in a race.

    Massa lost third place on the track, don’t blame the team for his lose of concentration.

    I would like to see Williams be more aggressive with their pit stops, everyone new that an under cut would be achieved by stopping early.

    Great drive by the 2 force India cars, Perez was fantastic today, loved the fact Massa got stuck behind him twice.

    James, was that Ricciardo who ran wide at the first corner?

    Is this why he lost ground from the start?

    1. James Allen says:

      Yes it was RICC and yes

    2. Brando Connor says:

      Magnussen braked late down the inside into turn 1 and Ricciardo didn’t yield. So they went through the corner side by side. But when Magnussen ran wide coming out of turn 1 Ricciardo had a choice of accident or dirt. So instead of yielding and dropping down to 6th he dropped down to 9th.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ brando…..i missed the exact details of what happened between magnussen and ricciardo although i did see that magnussen moved over to crowd ricciardo and give him the sqeeze knowing that through turn one the maclaren had the power advantage up the hill and that ricci would bleed as a result. ricciardo acknowledge his error and said maybe he should’ve gone for an inside run. hard to do when being squeezed though. ricciardo is a fast learner but these things happen all the time. c’est la vie.

  58. John in sd says:

    I enjoyed the race. Great camera work too. We get the commentary from Diffey, Hobbs, and Matchett on NBC SN, which is excellent especially from the knowledgeable Hobbs and Matchett, (except where the producer elected to play Will Buxton’s comments over the Raikkonen radio transmission). Nico R had a great win, and although I don’t believe that he has the speed of Hamilton, he comes across as a gracious and intelligent individual with pretty good race craft. So all the best to him. Massa’s pole had a “good feel” about it. And Bottas’ podium was brilliant. Although Williams seems to have a great car and pretty decent drivers, they seem to be letting themselves down operationally. Hopefully Rob Smedley gets this cleaned up soon. Great drives too from Perez (he’ll win soon hopefully), Alonso, Magnusson, and Danny Ricciardo (super pass on Nico H, pretty much like the passes he pulled off in Canada). Totally agree with the earlier poster re. Maldonado.

  59. Bullish says:


    Vettel running Ricciardo into the dirt.

    Not much was mentioned about Vettel running Daniel into the dirt after he go his car back running. I am very surprised by the lack of coverage on this incident. It cost Daniel one place at the time.


    1. kenneth chapman says:

      @ bullish…another incident that i missed……must be losing the thread!!!!! i did hear it mentioned briefly but i would like to hear other opinions and whether or not the pit wall had any comment on it. james…any insight?

    2. KRB says:

      I think that was a Toro Rosso that swerved to avoid Vettel out of Turn 3. Riccardo was behind that Toro Rosso … must’ve been Kvyat’s.

      1. Bullish says:

        Riccardo was in front on Kyyat and then lost a place in avoiding Vettel.

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        just as well vettel was retired as it was more than likely that he would’ve copped a sanction for stupidly running into the back of the sauber. that would have been in the back of horner’s mind, i’m sure. it was a massa/pastor moment re run.

  60. Rockman says:

    Nico definitely has the tools he need to go blow for blow with Lewis. Lewis may be that little bit faster, but he’s also more mentally unstable. Wish the championship can go to the last race, but the way it’s going at the moment, Nico will be 2014 WDC not for long.

    You really gotta feel for Vettel, it seems he has completely used up all his luck for secure his 4 WDCs, now all the badluck is starting to catch up to him.

    Alonso again, nothing new with his performance. Week in and week out, you just know he will be put that car exactly where it belongs. His consistency even after 5 years of disappointments is mind boggling. I not really sure whether staying with Ferrari is the right move from now on or trying it out with a different team.

    Kimi is underperforming, period. His fans can keep going on and on about how Ferrari doesn’t give him equal treatment but the fact is LDM now knows he made a mistake. Him bringing Kimi in was supposed to be a slap to Fernando along with his ear tweaking last year. But look at Mr Monty now, all you suddenly hear is praises for Alonso and how they need to provide him the right equipment. They now if Alonso jumps ship, their cars will be languishing down the line like what happened in Austria.

    Perez seems to excel at environments without much pressure on him. Force India seems like a great team that can provide this. For some reason Hulks performance has dipped a little bit, hopefully he can bounce back asap!

    And Felipe, flashes of brilliance but that’s just it, flashes of brilliance. You can always expect him to go backwards during the race.

    I think at the beginning of the year, I wanted to give this new regulations a chance but I just feel the races are becoming more and more boring. Drivers are constantly driving slow to save tires and save fuel. Then theres no noise coming out of the cars. It’s becoming a snooze fest and they will lose audience if this continues.

    I can live with the tyres but get rid of that fuel flow limit nonsense. Just get everyone to start with 100kg of fuel and use it the way they like it. And please fix the noise. I’m going to the Australian GP next year, hopefully the noise will be back to its ear piercing best.

    1. Thompson says:

      Martin brundle commented that at track side the cars are louder than they sound on Tv.

      Its more bass less tops so the perception is its Not as loud.

      Trumpet horns on the end of exhaust pipes, I like! the sound on Tv. Listening to old races pre 2000 the cars were not loud the v8′s sound horrible to me – screaming engine note.

      I do believe the noise debate is a silly one.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ thompson….i don’t know whether or not you are talking from first hand experience re the ‘sound effect’ but a very close friend of mine who has been on the inside of F1 for 20 years or more told me that this year whilst at barcelona he heard the new exhausts for the first time. he didn’t like it one bit but was prepared to give it the benefit of the doubt.

        he felt that it would be much better in monaco owing to the layout of the circuit and the proximity of the architecture to the track. he was even more disappointed. it simply didn’t give him the shiver in the spine that the V8′s did. it was just different and it, in his words, didn’t instantly communicate any excitement.

        from my own perspective being TV bound i must agree. it sounds lame and detracts from the spectacle. i can see both arguments to a degree but if i was given a choice i certainly wouldn’t choose the new over the old.

  61. Lohani says:

    I think goferet nailed it when he said that Rosberg did the job, but nothing more than expected.

    The new regulations benefit drivers that just about do what’s required, nothing more. If you have talent for speed, qualifying is your best bet to get things working in your favor to begin with, because that’ll put you ahead. Lewis is fast, yes. Nico isn’t slow either. The deficit between them isn’t wide enough for Lewis to get on top too easily. Car management and strategy come into play too quickly and more often in the race, so outright talent for speed only matters if you nail the first few laps after race start and get on top, or manage a pass at the first given opportunity or half opportunity. This holds true certainly for drivers in the same team who’re more or less equally matched.

    Then, it’s fuel saving, tire saving, brake saving, reliability management, etc. This is Management 1; not Formula 1. If you’re ahead, you just need to keep the delta there or thereabouts to keep staying ahead. Ask the engineers and they’ll tell you where to push and where to back off a tad. That is what Nico did in this race. It was always going to be difficult for Lewis to chase and then pass, if it didn’t happen at the first opportunity or half opportunity. Had Lewis not made a lightning start, he could’ve been stuck behind some cars for a while. The move that got him from 9th to 4th was very well done in shock and awe style. Management 1 will reward you for 1 or 2 shock and awe moves. Then, it’s back to Management 1, or go downhill.

    The chasing car has to do more, because that’s what overtaking is. Then, exhaust gases make you lose grip and wear tires. I remember Lewis closing the gap down in the last 2 laps, only to end up with no grip on the exit of turn 2 and then losing the advantage. Same thing with Nico. He had better grip on some areas; less on others. A1′s elevation changes and camber, coupled with these rhino cars didn’t help.

    Despite one’s speed or potential, this band of motor racing doesn’t help your cause. Then, engineers come on the radio asking you to do this or that. In such a situation, one cannot ask the car ahead to slow down and ask the car behind to pounce. Because it’s not just Management 1, but PR 1, Fairness 1, and Engineers 1 as well. With all that said, and given the formula these guys are racing in, Nico beat Lewis. End of story.

    One will have noticed how the upcoming drivers and rookies are doing well this year. They’ve been moving teams and are early in their career, which means they don’t have a preferred driving style. They’re treating the machinery as it should be treated and doing well. Vettel is trying to make his RedBull work like it has been working for the last 4 years, which will simply not happen. Riccardo is just driving the car on merit. Raikonnen is trying to get his car to work how he likes. The good thing about Alonso is that he hasn’t been gifted with great cars for several years, so he has had to adapt to the red balloons all this time. He’s doing excellently well. As for Kimi Vs Alonso talk, just ask yourself who had more input in designing that car. Kimi is a newcomer. The guy will take time to get things right.

    Poor Massa thought 6 times on whether to get close to Perez and decided no way. As for conspiracy theories, that’s what they are. Nothing more. Plus, it gets one nowhere, but certainly close to the ridicule meter.

  62. Lohani says:

    By the way, was that Ted Kravits pulling Martin Brundle to where Rosberg had placed his helmet, gloves and a snack during Brundle’s grid-walk? Was that grid walk or bully walk? They’re making fun of Rosberg now? I found that very unprofessional. Despicable to be honest.. The more older Brundle gets, the more childish his comments appear to be. They’re showing SKY coverage on Star Sports. Is SKY an international channel or a British joke TV? Sorry about the rant. I had to say it.

    1. AuraF1 says:

      Er Nico has joked with Sky before that he never eats carbohydrates – I think they were incredulous that a driver would be eating a pile of potatoes immediately before a race as they rarely have food digesting whilst trying to drive. It’s not the usual nutritional advice.

      1. Lohani says:

        They pointed that out in the gird walk. Thanks for reiterating.

  63. BluesPaul says:

    Not the most exciting race of the year but ok.

    3 drivers down on their luck and reputations with a big chasing pack of wolves/hyenas about to devour them. End of last year they were the best by all consent. I think all three carry some [tiny] blame for their falls.
    LH may still recover, but the others need different engineering to bring forth the skills that made them tops.
    Meanwhile the motor journalists favourite ALO marches on blameless, and [maybe] [so far] [who knows] well deserving

  64. BluesPaul says:

    James, just a suggestion. Maybe you could keep this austria grid girls banner as permanent?

  65. Pat Palozzi says:

    BORING !! It is time to stop wasting my time,to watch that S..T,just lost another fan.

    1. rad_g says:

      Agreed, the track is dull. Started watching the race and then, suddenly it was 10 laps in with a complete chaos. Maybe the track looks good when you’re there but on the TV it looks really boring. Nice gimmicks with the camera during pit stops.

  66. Sri says:

    Kimi suddenly goes all green or purple at the end of the race. Also when in top-3 or 4 in the race he suddenly matches Mercedes well and runs better than Alonso (in Monaco). So the only conclusion is that he can drive faster when in lower positions but he is not “motivated” to unlike Alonso who does every lap as though it was qualifying. If Kimi gets a top-car only then he will perform otherwise he will fade away and is interested in personal milestones like setting fastest laps. I still remember Montoya once said, if he can do fastest lap at the end of the race when not in top-positions, why not drive the same way throughout the race? Good question, is not it?

    Ferrari are very poor in strategy decisions. It was obvious they did not react to HUL, MAG, RIC stops for Kimi. Why? If they were a bit inventive they could have earned valuable points without even affecting their golden boy. They allowed Kimi to go first only in second pit stops when it was sure that it would not affect Alonso at all. Now come to your own conclusions. If that is so, why pay 20 million bucks if you wanted a good number two? Oh was that only to keep Kimi as a stand by in case Alonso moved to another team? If that was the case, both Ferrari and Kimi are screwed and Alonso is anyway screwed because of that very poor car. So this bunch of three can now enjoy their mediocrity due to poor strategy, poor driving and poor designing.

    I am so bored of seeing this Ferrari and their antics.

  67. Peter W says:

    My tip for the season is that one of the Merc drivers, through grit and determination, will eek out a 49 point advantage before the last race, but will then have a DNF and the other Merc driver will walk away with the gold medal.
    However, by then, the FIA will have mandated spark generators, sidepod mounted fireworks dispensers and shiny ribbons streaming off the rear wing, and we will be soooo entranced by the show that no-one will notice the contrived result….

  68. Bobs says:

    I’m wondering why when Hamilton ran over the white line and had his time deleted in qualifying, why the team decided to keep him in the pits so that he could come out with only one chance at a qualifying lap where as we have seen in the last 3 races, mess up your final run or have yellow flags shown and that.s your chance over, especially considering he had no established time to work off.

    Wouldn’t it have been a better strategic decision to send Hamilton back out straight away when he came in with about 5 mins left to set a banker lap, even if it wasn’t good enough for pole it would have certainly been better to qualify 5th for instance rather than 9th.

    Seems like a bad strategic decision by Mercedes and I’m surprised no one has highlighted upon this.

    1. Ravi says:

      first of all, tire allocation and second of all, but most of all, retrospectively all mistakes seem dumb and all outcomes easy to predict. Things are more random than we think , you will understand this if you have read “fooled by randomness”

      Simply put, no one assumes that Hamilton will screw up, if you start strategizing for this you will never go for pole, because the tires on the 3rd lap (i.e 2nd timed lap) will be slower. So essentially you are asking for the team to NOT aim for the pole with Hamilton.

      5 minutes are not enough (also tires are limited) to set one banker lap , come in , change tires and go for gold.

      Simply not possible ! one chance, one shot at pole was the only option.

  69. Malunda says:

    Hi James,
    Is it possible Hamilton was sandbagging on his first run in that final qualification?
    If so,what does it tell us about the team, how is it detrimental to the team?

  70. sej82 says:

    This is not great F1 – I think the sport has lost it’s way, but even watching these fuel save bores it is still fascinating to try to work out who is truly the ‘best’ driver on the grid. My mad idea – to go with all the other stupid rule changes – is that drivers should swap cars every race so that every driver has to race for each team twice in the season. Pay all the drivers the same salary plus a bonus based on their points tally at the end of the season, with the champion deservedly earning the most. We would then all know who is the best driver and which team has built the best car, much better than the two horse race we have this year with probably the best jockey on a donkey!!

    1. aveli says:

      great idea but those in f1 will tell you that it would be impossible to draw up a contract for the drivers. your idea would make it a lot less easy for anyone to try to control the outcome of the championships.

    2. KRB says:

      But then there are problems with fitting, or one driver might be unfortunate to have his turn in the accepted best car at its worst possible track, etc.

      It is an 80% car, 20% driver formula (or possibly even more to the car side). It can be infuriating and frustrating for those not in the best car, or best group of cars (if a group of nearly equal cars are out front of others).

      Perhaps the drivers should also compete in a spec-series karting competition alongside F1, and earn driver pts that way as well. There is no driver in F1 right now that is so far ahead of others that they would win every such karting event. It would only be over a big sample of kart races that the cream of the driver crop would emerge.

      Say what you like about NASCAR, but their points system is pretty good at separating the drivers all the way down the list. While winning and leading laps are rewarded, it does a better job of creating separation among the lower echelons. I mean really, when we’re talking about finishing 12th, 13th, 14th in F1, what’s better? Finishing 12th in one race, and 18th in all the remaining races, or finishing 13th in all of those races? In NASCAR, the latter would win out, while in F1, it’s the former.

  71. Lohani says:

    It looks like Mercedes has planned its venture into F1 well. They had always been targeting 2014 and beyond. The new outsourcing project must have something to do with keeping the momentum and advantage well into the next few years. Don’t know if other teams are also crowd sourcing projects. Mercedes is positioning itself well. The last team that will do any crowd sourcing is Ferrari lol. Maybe crows sourcing is exactly what they need.

  72. Lohani says:

    His Omniscient Majesty (peace be upon your highness),
    Honorable Presidente, Respected Uncle,
    Luca Montezemelo,
    Scuderia Ferrari,

    Subject: Humble servant (bow) presenting an idea, your Omniscient Majesty (peace be upon your highness).

    Dear Presidente, Respected Uncle :D,

    I have brought, along with my menial self, 10 goats, 1 gold coin, 100 frozen dumplings, and a 10 kilograms of scarlet, metallic paint to earn your audience. I wish your Omniscient Majesty (peace be upon your Highness) hearty feast and riches.

    I have come before you, today, to request your guiding help and shining light of reason on a few issues. Your greatness once said that one shouldn’t put two roosters in the same hen. Oh, great one, does that mean that your Omniscient Majesty (peace be upon your Highness) has decided to go with one rooster and one guinea pig. If so, is the Ice Man I saw in the gate below the guinea pig in question, your greatness?

    My other point, oh great one, is the marvelous efficacy of crowd sourcing. It is my humble belief that the Red Beast, your much loved pet Scuderia Ferrari, could hugely benefit from crowd sourcing. The Red Beast needs great ideas to complement the great facilities and research centers it lives and runs in to enhance Scuderia Ferrari’s motivation and performance.

    But, oh great one, my menial self is bereft of technical knowledge to do work on probable and prospective crowd sourced projects. My humble self’s expertise lies in manufacturing plastic knives that your Omniscient Majesty (peace be upon your Highness) will need to use to Ferraririze hapless souls eager to join the crowd sourcing project. I, hereby, pronounce my humble eagerness and availability to supply your Omniscient Majesty (peace be upon your Highness) with as much knives needed to Ferraririze global nonentities interested in said crowd sourcing projects.

    Bow to your Omniscient Majesty X 6 times – Up, Left, Strafe Left, Right, Strafe Right, Down
    Forza Presidente X 6 times – same directions as above.
    Err Forza Ferrari once

    Your ever humble servant, Lohani

    Bye bye Uncle!
    Retreating facing front down 3000 steps.
    Thank you to the Ice Man for opening the gate.

    lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

    1. Torchwood Five says:


  73. vernon says:

    Toto Wolf said, “”We have to look very carefully at it. We don’t want to keep the lap that shows how capable the car is until the final qualifying, because we need to understand where we can improve the car.

    “I’m not saying this has happened, we just don’t want to see any sandbagging and aborted laps when we need to learn about the car.

    “The drivers’ main agenda is winning the drivers’ championship; our agenda is about winning the constructors’ championship and making sure one of the drivers wins the drivers’ championship, so maybe first we need to win the constructors’ championship and then we can unleash them.” (source Autosport)

    I think he wants HAMILTON to show his true pace because it’s becomming harder and harder to hide the absurd fact that the slower of the Mercedes drivers is leading the championship. He is doing so by 2 DNF of Hamilton that is down to reliability on the car. He is also being helped by team orders that ensure 1s more for Hamilton in the pit stops. If treated equally, this last race was for Lewis, INSPITE of starting 9th. He was 5th and up to Rossberg by the first lap so that cancelled any qualifying advantage or disadvantage. Had the pitcrew on Hamilton’s side done right by their fellow Englishman, he’d have been first without a doubt. Either his pitcrew aren’t English or they being well managed by Wolf to ensure golden boy wins.

    What a shame for Lewis that MERCEDES and WOLF favour the golden boy. Now he wants Lewis to come clean on real pace during practice, not to improve the car, but to improve the car for Rossberg. A bit less power for Lewis…a longer pitstop again…. MERCEDES and WOLF, we the fans, we see your true colours.

    1. Torchwood Five says:

      Yeah, Toto is a former racing driver, so we know the issue is NOT that he is not getting that Hamilton would like to not give Rosberg his lines and data to copy and surpass him.

      Senior, perhaps as high as that Daimler company that owns the team, figures would prefer a German champion with their brand. Or at least, that has been reported as a rumour in the paddock.

      I don’t know how much that desire has filtered down to disenfranchise the British driver.

      1. James Allen says:

        I don’t buy that. Mercedes wants to win and doesn’t mind which driver

        Hamilton gets the big bucks and has the bigger reach, Rosberg isn’t really considered German by many German fans and the public according to friends working in German TV etc

      2. Elie says:

        Yep Nico is half Finnish but you can bet he will be Germanys favourite son if he wins

      3. KRB says:

        It was actually Rosberg holding back data/info on his setup after FP3, that Wolff was referencing.

    2. Steve S says:

      “A bit less power for Lewis…a longer pitstop again…. MERCEDES and WOLF, we the fans, we see your true colours.”

      The Lewis Hamilton fan club is an embarrassment to Lewis Hamilton, an embarrassment to Formula One, and an embarrassment to sports in general.

      1. aveli says:

        why are you so embarrassed?

    3. Joe flacco says:

      Do you see the irony from 2007…..

  74. Ravi says:

    German brand, German driver = first among equals – given a choice Mercedes will want that, if not they still with in Lewis being so marketable anyway.


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