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Posted By: Justin Hynes  |  19 Jun 2014   |  4:33 pm GMT  |  82 comments

Felipe Massa has said will not trust Sergio Perez again following the pair’s heavy accident in the closing stages of the Canadian Grand, adding that he will “think three times” before considering any overtaking move on the Mexican in the future.

The FIA, however, will tomorrow morning review the accident at the request of Force India who want the five-place grid penalty handed to Perez for this weekend’s Austrian Grand Prix rescinded.

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Speaking at the Red Bull Ring in Spielberg where teams are preparing for the first Austrian Grand since 2003, Massa once again insisted that Perez was at fault for the huge crash in Canada that saw both drivers taken to hospital for precautionary checks.

“The rules says when somebody moves the car behind and puts the front wing on the side of your rear tyres you cannot move any more,” said Massa. “He didn’t follow that. I will not change my opinion. What I just said, this is the rule.”

Massa added that in future he will be more cautious in attempting to pass the Force Mexican driver.

“I will think twice, because I believed he would not move his car, I believed him,” said the Williams driver. “You can’t believe now when somebody who is paying so many penalties and causing so many problems, you can’t believe… I will not trust him anymore, definitely. When I will be behind him again I will think about three times where I need to go because I don’t know what he is going to do.”

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Force India, meanwhile, are insistent that their driver was not at fault and have asked the FIA to review the accident, believing they have strong new evidence in Perez’s favour. Race stewards in Austria will begin their review at 9am tomorrow, with a further meeting pencilled in for the late afternoon should the team’s new information require it.

For his part Perez said he would be prepared to sit down with Massa and thrash out the rights and wrongs of the incident, but at the same he reiterated his belief that he did nothing wrong.

“Felipe, we all know he is a good guy. He has his opinion, I have my opinion, and we just have to sit down,” he said. “Also we get the opportunity tomorrow, with the FIA, to review the accident once again, as we believe we have enough evidence to prove I did nothing wrong.”

 

 

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  1. Tom says:

    Felipe may be right about the crash, as far as I know, but he’s also just shown again why he will never be World Champion.

  2. Simmo says:

    Firstly, I doubt this will work for Force India. The FIA have made a decision and are likely to stick by it, and Force India should just move on from it, even if they aren’t at fault.

    Secondly, regardless of who’s fault the accident was, I’m fed up of hearing Massa constantly complain about everything like this. He too should get over it.

    1. AuraF1 says:

      I suspect there’s only Kimi who wouldn’t complain to the media when asked about it. It’s not like Massa is running around phoning journalists up to call out Perez – he’s answering questions put to him.

    2. Vladimir says:

      I really doubt that Massa’s just going around paddock and telling everyone he was right and Perez was wrong. He is asked and he answers. We might get fed up with it but we can do nothing about it. Media need scandals and they provoke them in most of the cases. We call it “suck the problem out of the finger” in Russia.:) thank God they are both safe and sound, that’s what we need to appreciate.

    3. Andrew M says:

      Agreed on both points, especially the latter. Perez may have been at fault but it was marginal if you ask me, still going on about it with such vehemence two weeks later doesn’t do Massa any favours.

    4. Ben says:

      I agree with you about Massa but I did see on sky’s F1 show, Johnny Herbet (I think) said that the race steward left before Perez was able to present his point of view… This isn’t ideal as the drivers should be able to present their case. Massa and Williams were able to put their point of view across and FI didn’t even get a chance to defend themselves. To me, having reviewed this incident multiple time from different angles, it looked like a bit of both of their faults. It was very marginal and even if it is decided that it was Perez’s fault I still think Massa’s words are too strong.

      Massa saying that he’d think 3 times before trying a move on Perez means that he will never be able to overtake him. Perez know’s this now and will be able to easily fend him off!

    5. Nickh says:

      Massa is not doing that. Massa has a lot of class that he is never given credit for. Don’t forget he was extremely gracious in his 2008 finale defeat having thought he’d won the championship in front of his adoring home fans. There are very few drivers that would gave behaved like he did at that time, so I always have time for Felipe, even though I don’t think he is as god a driver since his bad accident. He was very unlucky not to win that year. He beat Hamilton on Hamiltons track starting behind him before his engine went boom (Hungary).

      1. ngwe23 says:

        Sounds like you and Massa are a perfect match. You love your sour grapes…

      2. Alan says:

        I have never heard anyone complain so much as Massa. From my view he was on the last lap on new tyres and was attempting to make an overtake, had a clear view and yet he hit Perez. There should be no penalty to Perez as he already lost all points he had coming.

    6. Hello says:

      Massa got caught out with Perez braking early because of bad brakes. Massa’s line was okay but only if Perez breaks 5 meters later but he didn’t. The crash was Massa’s fault and he knows it. That’s why he is crying about it so much.

      1. Hello says:

        Williams would do well to get rid of him at the end of the year. (Hopefully they have performance related outs) With the Merc engine, better drivers than Massa should be in that seat. Bottas doesn’t have all the points he should have by this stage of the championship but it’s more than what Massa has. He has less than half that amount. Bottas 40 points Massa 18 points.

        The last time I saw a driver cry this much about something was Trulli at Inter Largos. He even made up a “dodgy dossier” to prove his case, haha.

      2. Hello says:

        continued…..

        Truly never did another season in F1. All Massa’s crying maybe from the fact that the team now realise what a bad driver he is. Patrick Head wasn’t happy with the situation and even let them know in the media.

        That 2008 Ferrari must have been a flying machine for him to run Hamilton so close. I think also Kimi isn’t looking great now with the Spaniard whipping him the same a Massa. Kimi you have been outed.

  3. Ed says:

    I’m fed up with this entirely behind closed doors, over zealous stewarding process. They seem to be reviewing something every few minutes during the race. I’m all for cracking down on careless or dangerous driving, but unless it’s clearly so just let the drivers get on with it. This was a racing incident. End of story.

    1. Nickh says:

      Totally agree. You can’t make a pass without an investigation, and often a driver that cuts a chicane to stay ahead during a tussle and ‘gains an advantage’ doesn’t receive a penalty. However I’ve read somewhere that they have relaxed the rules on this subject. Maldonado will be chomping at the bit

    2. littleredkelpie says:

      This, in my view, is one of the biggest problems with F1. It is as bad as the European Commission with a rule for every single aspect of life and a gaggle of backroom faceless who seem intent on making the race all about them and their decisions. I am also amazed at how eagerly fans (such as those who frequent this blog) rush to the rulebook. rules rules rules.

      It’s ironic when you think that a lot of great motor-racing events started life on the ‘wrong side’ of the law, and were a place to escape the rules of life … Nascar is an obvious one – a bunch of bootleggers outrunning the cops.

      It is for similar reasons I hate this push towards rule-enforced fuel economy on the race track. Be fuel-efficient if it brings a competitive advantage, by all means, but not because some section a rules decrees how many grams per hour you are allowed to burn. give me strength.

    3. Aaron says:

      if the stewards published not only their verdict, but the footage or telemetry that they used to come to their decision, it would be a) fascinating and b) would give more insight to how they came to their conclusions.

      1. Opa says:

        You got the point.

  4. AlexD says:

    James, sorry to ask again. It is obvious that people do not notifications when somebody is commenting a post. Will it be possible to get this functionality back? Thank you for letting us know. I would not know if you replied, so will need to search for this post.

      1. AlexD says:

        Did not get email notification that you replied, James. Still not working.

      2. James Allen says:

        It is working for many other users, we have had feedback on that.

        Try signing up for it again

  5. Huw says:

    I find it difficult to judge who was at fault, but I do think the drivers should be allowed to give their positions to the stewards, the penalty was decided while the drivers were in hospital so a review is right.

    What inclines me aginst Massa possition is that he doth protest too much

    1. Sebee says:

      You know, the movement Massa makes to the right is quite big.

      I really think it was a matter of Massa looking at Perez’s rear wheel and thus going where he was looking instead of looking and going where he wanted to go or making any avoiding movements to react to Perez’s slight move.

      I know not everyone will relate to this by experience, but if you’ve had a motorcycle or traveled in a car at high speed you quickly realize how true this going where you look thing is in terms of how your brain is wired. I’ve caught myself looking at side of road or scenery a few times and first thing that came to my mind was, wow…I really did drift unknowingly and quickly to where I was looking without even steering that way.

  6. Elie says:

    Well Felipe why did you put your tyre there when you had half the f/g track on the inside??.

    I’m certainly not a Perez fan – far from it after his 2013 efforts but this incident was very, very marginal and in fact it was Felipe who created an avoidable accident. I think Force india must have some aerial shot or something which shows Felipe moving right suddenly on the approach to the braking zone. On all the various footage Ive seen Perez ( for once) did not jink suddently and just drifted toward the centre of the track.

    I would like the decision overturned – Im pretty sure thats possible but if they do the stewards need to be very clear why and it would be very tricky to impose a penalty on Massa now.So if it is left as “a racing incident” it will leave a gaping hole in driving standards that will need to be clarified.
    For me its abundantly clear that Felipe had more than a cars width on the inside before the braking zone and whilst Sergio covered his position – it was Felipe that effectively steered right into him when he had plenty of room to do other things- he should be given the penalty.!

    1. KRB says:

      Can’t agree. Drivers are not allowed to move in the braking zone. Perez moved to the left. The rule is there for a reason, b/c delta speeds can be highest in the braking zone.

      Personally I hope they add another 2 places to his grid drop.

  7. Jaakko says:

    Maybe the older drivers should sit young Perez down and give him some advice.

    “That won’t help. Maybe someone should punch him in the face” ;)

  8. Pkara says:

    Massa gets himself involved in alot of backchat after an incident has taken place. Perez was harshly judged by the stewards. Massa had ample chance to pass Perez but then decided to tuck back behind the Force India as Perez began breaking. This was a racing incident. Perez is a competent driver compared to Maldo or Massa.
    Massa needs to move on & thank the track safety defenses worked & that both drivers are able to race again.
    Move on Massa . I hope the 5 place grid penalty is overturned as Perez did not get a chance to put his case forward. Seems all Massa has become abit of a “Moaning Minnie”.
    Perez is a sound bloke no need to sling muck again & again the Masaa does.

  9. kartarece says:

    Massa is known as the one who complains about anything on the other hand Perez is a nut case too.

  10. RichB says:

    Looking at the crash from above perez clearly moves across hitting massa, it was an optimistic overtaking manoeuvre by massa but it was perez’s fault in my view

  11. Phil Glass says:

    I wasn’t aware that stewards decisions were “Appealable”, especially when they take long enough to study data and reach their decision after the race.

    However, I always saw it as 40% Perez, 60% Massa.

    So beside the 5 place drop for Perez, how about Massa gets 10 place grid penalty ….

    1. AuraF1 says:

      I think there’s been mentioned a clause about ‘material new evidence coming to light’ for an appeal. Sky mentioned that as Perez didn’t get to present his case as the stewards went home anything he has to say is substantial new evidence.

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      @ phil glass….i also see it as a 60/40 incident and massa should also be penalised.

      1. C63 says:

        @KC
        Hold on a second, back the truck up – are you saying that you know more than the ‘all seeing eyes’ of the stewards and are questioning their expert decision?
        Here is an excerpt from a comment you made last week when I questioned the stewards decision – ” the stewards they would’ve had all the race speed traces to analyse and make their judgments on. you are now saying that you, as an armchair observer, know more and have more data that conflicts with what the stewards had access to thus proving that they are wrong in their decision and that you are right!pardon me whilst i have a good laugh.”
        Now which is it Kenneth, either the stewards no more than us mere armchair observers or they don’t. I don’t see how you can have it both ways.
        Pardon me while I laugh at your hypocrisy ;-)

    3. C63 says:

      They were saying on Sky the stewards made their decision before they heard from Perez. This is apparently the new evidence FI want to present – at least that’s what Ted said on the F1 show.

  12. zombie says:

    As Fillipe grows older, he sounds more and more like Rubens Barichello. It was a racing incident. Perez had to move to avoid Vettel., and Filipe made a kamikaze attempt at the corner collecting Perez and nearly taking out Vettel. He needs to chill and move on.

    1. Hello says:

      At Hungary when Schumacher ran Barichello up against the pit wall. He was straight on the radio asking for a black flag. Then after the race while talking with the BBC, he was asking the public to use social media to complain about the incident. (Paraphrasing here)”Please Tweet and complain that he didn’t leave a big enough gap!” Sickening. No Rubens, he left you a 7 times World Champion’s gap.

      The crazy thing is. At the next race (Spa) after running around wearing a T shirts saying “I beat the Stig” and giving out other drivers T Shirts saying, “I didn’t beat the Stig”. He nearly took out half the grid from a lack of ability.

      Massa is in the same vain. As humans we must always reject pity where we see others projecting it onto us. If you don’t you just end up like these two criers.

    2. Stephen says:

      +100 It was a pure racing incident. End of story. Perez moved less than an inch is at all and he was the driver in the lead. In any incident like that the driver in front should get the benefit of the doubt when the evidence is shaky. The stewards have got this wrong and given the weekend, were almost forced to issue a penalty becuase of letting other incidents go during the race (i.e Rosberg’s very light warning).

      I think Massa is due to retire – his big accidents have made him scared & he has not be able to get passed it. As Senna would say, “when you no longer go for a gap that is there and are not racing to win, then you are no longer a racing driver”

    3. Tom says:

      Yes, he reminds me of Rubens too.

    4. Opa says:

      Yes, I agree that Felipe is like Rubens but, in this case specifically, if you watch the incident from the above, it is clear that Perez does not had to avoid Vettel. Instead, he just goes strait in the right hand curve to try to close the door to Felipe. Very risky manoever that ended as we know.

  13. Treaded Lurgy says:

    ”he will “think three times” before considering any overtaking move on the Mexican in the future”

    I always though Massa thought five of six times (laps) before overtaking anyone? ;-)

    1. Snailtrail says:

      The thing you guys forget is that teams train their drivers on media handling – but when a driver expresses their opinion they get called a complainer……

  14. Thompson says:

    At the time watching the race live on Sky I was in no doubt Massa was at fault.

    His approach was too fast and he breaked too late he would not have made the corner and may have clipped Vettel under breaking.

    Watch Hamilton and Rosbergs car positions under close racing both follow the same lines even if you’re off line you follow the same lines. Massa went straight while Perez moved across for the corner.

    Massa’s posturing is the same as when he was crashing into Hamilton, he needs to move on.

    Racing on so your father and brother can see the world is not a good enough reason to risk your life – I don’t think his heart is in it anymore.

    It was a stupid move, very dangerous.

    1. Andrew c says:

      Totally agree. He seems to attract this type of incident all too often then shout out the noise that might try to blame him. He needs to get a grip and focus on improving himself.

    2. Stephen says:

      Agree 100%

  15. Thompson says:

    By the way anyone else notice Perez is handing the Hulk his a@?!

    All the talk about Hulkenburg being the next big thing and Perez is there doing a Ricardo on him……

    1. Stephen taylor says:

      How many points has Hulkenberg got v Pere

    2. AuraF1 says:

      Perez has the podiums but Hulk is just under triple Perez points – so in terms of highlights Perez has done more – but in terms of consistent scoring Hulk has done 3 times as well. It’s definitely an interesting intra team battle.

    3. Sam says:

      The championship standings would disagree with you.

      Hulk is having a quiet and massively consistent year.

    4. Jeff says:

      how do you gather this? Hulk has 57 points and Perez 20 I don’t think that is handing the Hulk his A@#

    5. Ozherb says:

      ????

      Qualifying record:
      Hulk – 5
      Perez – 2

      Championship Points:
      Hulk – 57 pts
      Perez – 20pts

      1. Thompson says:

        You need to ‘watch’ the races.

        Passed the Hulk on track, several times last race was denied another podium by Massa’s stupidity.

        He is doing a solid job and appears to be getting more out of the car in race trim – Doesn’t even need the team to order Hulk out his way

        The points do not the true story tell. I’m sure the Hulk is feeling it.

      2. Andrew M says:

        Perez has certainly been closer to Hulk than I thought, and beaten him fair and square a few times, but let’s not pretend they’re on the same performance level. Hulk is outqualifying and outracing Perez over the course of the season, about as badly as Button did.

        Also, not sure how you can claim Massa denied him a podium when he was already down to fourth at that stage. Even if you assume he was totally blameless in the accident he lost 12 points max, adding those onto his total still gets him nowhere near Hulk.

  16. deancassady says:

    Even if Massa is correct (I am very dubious), at most it was a marginal error by Perez, and much more likely, he either did nothing in breach of the regulatins, or had a mechanical malfunction that resulted in… perhaps he slowed… but from the video I could not tell that he did anything at fault!
    It’s true that he has had a few incidents where he throws himself into a corner, which requires another driver to yield, or there is a crash (best illustrated by the ill-considered move on Kimi at Monaco 2013).
    However, his trend line is fair to good. He’s racing well, and seems much more refined compared to last year.
    I hope for exoneration from the FIA review, and think it appropriate, for if you weigh the comparative poor judgement of the pass attempt (very risky, even for Formula One), then you realize that this type of risk taking is exactly the same as the Perez into the corner on Kimi c. Monaco 2013, only not as obvious.
    Look at the video and see the car which seems unstable and moving through multiple lines, not to mention again the seeming lack of racecraft in the judgement of the pass attempt.
    It sure looked like Massa was at fault.
    And at the very least, he should lie low on the subject; they got the penalty assigned to Perez, now he needs to do what most Formula One drivers should do, but often don’t do:
    Shut up and drive!

    1. Nickh says:

      He is racing quite well to be fair. Considering all the love for Hulkenberg on this site, Perez is shaping up pretty well.

      1. deancassady says:

        Nick, as far as I am concerned, the best bargain and value for a driver pairing is at ForceI, by miles!
        Hulkenberg has proven himself worthy of a top line seat, and Perez has pretty well matched him.
        I said it when it was announced and I stand by it, the best value in drivers on the grid.

  17. Steve Zodiac says:

    perhaps if he’d thought three times before trying to over take there would not have been a crash, looked like 50/50 tome but it was a shame for two teams to lose a lot of points.

  18. Kram gp says:

    I never saw it as Perez fault in the first place just a desperate lunge by Massa. But then I’m not the FIA

  19. Joe B says:

    I hope it does work out for FI, because, and I’m not a Perez fan, but that was Massa’s fault. Racing incident yes, but definitely less on Perez than Massa.

    1. Nickh says:

      Perez moved over after Massa. Perez fault

      1. Joe B says:

        Massa outbraked himself, didn’t take Perez’s brake issues into account (surely the pit wall told him?) and didn’t leave him enough space for the corner. Racing incident, but Massa could have prevented it; Perez had no chance.

    2. Wade Parmino says:

      Technically Perez was the guilty party as he did move towards Massa however, Massa probably was a little too close to the Force India. Massa should have allowed perhaps another half meter between him and Perez. Essentially, there was no obvious deliberate malice or gross negligence by either driver so I’d call it an unfortunate racing incident. Massa has overreacted towards Perez but perhaps this is due to Perez not admitting his mistake and dismissing Massa’s concerns.

  20. Luciano says:

    The problem with this crash is there is a curve going in to turn 1. So then, what does it mean to hold your line? If it means to stay completely parallel to the edge of the track, then Perez was at fault. But is not really 100% clear because of this.

    1. Chris Chong says:

      That’s what I was thinking too. The on-board shots from Sergio’s car don’t show him making a deliberate turn to the left – maybe a bit of compensating for track surface bumps. It looked like he was aiming straight for the apex because of the slight curve.

  21. Web says:

    Massa should focus on making his overtakes stick and taking the opportunities that he and his team have squandered before continuing to complain about everything…..I´ve been a fan of him for a while but he´s starting to get on my nerve! Seven years as a pawn at Ferrari and now he´s acting like the most entitled racing driver ever born.

  22. Steve says:

    Massa should get over it and try not to get so accsatory…its unbecoming, but I fear it shows he is desperate for results…and the incidents undermine him a bit. I really wish him some strong results and for Williams – I like Massa. Perez similarly should probably let it lie. I always thought he came accross well and couldnt understand why there were rumours about him being arrogant in McLaren…however Im starting to get subtle indications of it now.

    1. Wade Parmino says:

      I recall reading that when Felipe tried to convey his position to Sergio after the race at the medical centre, Sergio ignored him, turned and walked away. This incident (if this is how it unfolded) probably has understandably annoyed Felipe to no end. It would certainly piss me right off.

  23. BMG says:

    My first thoughts when I saw the crash was massa was going into the corner to hot, I could only see a very small move from perez and I don’t believe massa was to the side of his back wheel.

    I think Massa is playing a political game here, the team and Massa have not performed as expected this year.

    With share holders looking for result, of course he will try to shift the blame.

    It took Ricciardo 10 laps to pass Perez, Massa new he was running out of laps to challenge the 2 Redbull’s for the win.
    My view for what it’s worth, racing incident.

    1. deancassady says:

      +1 succinct and accurate

  24. Lindsay says:

    Well, I guess Perez already has the mental battle won for the next time he goes toe to toe with Massa.

  25. mac says:

    If the drivers get their willies whacked every time there is a racing incident then the racing will be stale. Sure, if a driver is making a habit of stuffing his competitors in the fence then give him a race or two to think it over. Other than that, let those guys mix it up and let the chips fall where they will.

    The whole sport has become excessively micro managed by the FIA. Ease up on stifling the engineers’ ability to innovate, let the teams test and improve their cars and let the drivers be aggressive.

    While we’re at it, lets have another tire war! :-)

  26. BMG says:

    James, love following your informed blogs, not a fan of your new web page,it seems very busy.

  27. Matt c says:

    Can’t agree with the bulk of the comments here. Perez was defending on dodgy tyres. Massa had every right to put his car where it was. If Perez couldn’t turn in (i.e. understeering off) then its his fault for not managing that. The overhead shows him protecting a line that wasn’t his to protect imho.

    1. Voodoopunk says:

      “Can’t agree with the bulk of the comments here. ”

      Then they must be wrong.

  28. Dan says:

    Looking at the onboards for both drivers it looks like Massa drives into Perez’s rear to me. Perez does seem to drift left slightly but but I can’t see any tyre, pushrod or steering input that indicates him turning. There is adequate room on the left for Massa. Impartially I don’t think Perez did anything wrong. Unfortunately the replays seem to miss a few frames at the crucial moment, I think you have to give Perez the benefit of the doubt.

  29. Tom in Adelaide says:

    The overhead shot is pretty damning for Perez really. Going straight ahead when you should be following a turning line is not really a defence.

  30. Charles Otine says:

    While I like Massa and felt sorry that the crash happened, I think he should let this go or at least tone it down and focus on the race this weekend. I think knowledge that the sauber team was planning to appeal the penalty handed to Perez by the FIA might have also prompted Massa’s comments to the media.

    1. AuraF1 says:

      I think being asked about it by every journalist at the press conferences probably prompted it. Every time after a big collision the media ask the drivers involved what they think. Even Kimi last year was ‘going on’ about Perez after Monaco and brought it up in the drivers briefing and Kimi is normally the least communicative driver in history.

      Unfortunately I think Massa has gotten lumbered with this ‘complainer’ tag, when every driver does exactly the same thing.

      The drivers aren’t out there phoning journalists up at night saying, ‘I’m out to get this guy! I need you to print my complaints!’ – they do media events and conferences before races and they get asked and the media prints their answers. If Massa just said, ‘No Comment, No Comment’ every time we’d all be moaning that the drivers are too political and won’t speak to the fans and are hiding everything through fear of making a statement.

      Yes Massa is probably never going to be the driver he was before 2009, Yes the FIA stewards should probably have a lighter touch on incidents and shouldn’t hand down decisions when drivers are in hospital and can’t present their case, but he’s not doing anything other drivers haven’t done.

      1. Wade Parmino says:

        Absolutely right.

        It reminds me of how many in the public get up in arms about how the paparazzi hound celebrities to get photographs and then these same ‘concerned citizens’ purchase and read the very tabloid magazines such pictures go in. It’s as if these people are too ignorant to realize that they are the reason why the paparazzi do what they do in the first place. People can be so hypocritical and oblivious to their own hypocrisy.

  31. Rohan says:

    The sheer cheek of Force India and Perez still trying to insist that a) it wasn’t Perez’ fault; and b) that Perez isn’t a danger to himself and others.

    Perez should be banned for a race at least.

  32. Monkeymajiks says:

    James,

    Do you know if there is anything to Johnny Herbet’s claims on Sky F1 that Perez and Force India didn’t get an opportunity to present their side before the stewards made their ruling?

    I imagine if Herbet is correct that this would mean that Force India have a valid case to be reconsidered, otherwise it would be unlikely for the Stewards to reverse a decision and risk their authority being challenged more regularly?

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