F1 Summer Break 2015
Hamilton makes up with Rosberg – long term fix or elastoplast?
Posted By: James Allen  |  02 Jun 2014   |  2:40 pm GMT  |  589 comments

This Sunday the Mercedes drivers Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg will go head to had once again in the Canadian Grand Prix and over the weekend Hamilton took steps to tone down the bitter atmosphere, which had sprung up between them in Monaco.

He posted a tweet with a photo of the pair as kids saying, “We’ve been friends a long time & as friends we have our ups & downs. Today we spoke & we’re cool, still friends #noproblem”

This is worth a moment’s examination.

First it is clear that Hamilton does not – at this stage at least – want this to escalate into a full blown feud, like Mansell and Piquet or Prost and Senna from the past. Both of these were triggered by a breakdown in trust, as was the start of the Hamilton/Rosberg tension.

The build up to Monaco featured both drivers illicitly using a maximum engine mode (Rosberg in Bahrain and Hamilton in Spain) against team wishes. That has been stamped out. But then the affair blew up in Monaco, with Hamilton clearly miffed that Rosberg had deliberately blocked his final run in qualifying to take pole and set himself up for the win. He left no-one in any doubt about that and on Saturday even murmured about taking a leaf from Senna’s book. Post race he was asked about that and said that he hadn’t done that, clearly; in other words he hadn’t taken Rosberg out at the first corner.

Hamilton wanted to turn Monaco to his advantage, but instead he did the opposite: he came across as a bad loser, upset many of his own fans with the way he carried himself, he attracted criticism from some leading lights such as John Surtees, Mika Hakkinen and even FIA steward Derek Warwick. And, of course, the stewards found no proof that Rosberg had done it deliberately.

Hamilton has reflected on these reactions and this has clearly informed his decision to patch things up with Rosberg.

Another important aspect, which he will have realised, is that Montreal is likely to favour him, as he has a fantastic record around there, with three wins and three poles. Along with Hungary it has always been a circuit which suits him more than any other driver out there. Mercedes will have a significant car advantage there and he wants a nice clean weekend, focussed on the job of getting pole, the win and the championship lead back; no distractions.

He does not want to have to fend off media questions about Monaco, Rosberg and all the rest of it. Monaco showed that Rosberg can play that game better. Hamilton’s best approach is to try to beat Rosberg on the track and keep his powder dry on their rivalry.

It is true that they have been friends for many years and that this counts for something. It certainly differentiates them from the other high profile team mate feuds of the past.

On the one hand it shows sensible management of the situation, but it comes only after his instinctive handling of the situation in Monaco backfired. Not for the first time, he has had to change position.

Although it makes a more compelling narrative for the media and encourages the fans to tune in to watch, emotion needs to be kept out of his title campaign.

It is there for the taking; but mastering himself is as important as mastering Rosberg.

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  1. Kris says:

    “Monaco showed that Rosberg can play that game better. ”

    James, I’m interested to understand how you arrived at this opinion. I see Martin Brundle has said that he was in the minority at Monaco in thinking that Rosberg hadn’t crashed on purpose and it seemed that the celebration of pole was met with almost universal disapproval. As such, did Rosberg really do himself any favours at Monaco, apart from the race win, of course?

    For the record, I write this as somebody who, upon reflection, does not believe that Rosberg caused the yellow flag deliberately and think Hamilton could have handled the situation better. At the same time, I thought Rosberg’s (over) celebration of pole was in really poor taste, hence the question.

    1. Grant says:

      Like Martin Brundle James is clearly not a Lewis fan.

      1. James Allen says:

        I’m neither a fan nor am I anti – my job is to be impartial.

        Lewis has many outstanding qualities and some less so. I’ve known him since he was a teenager, after all an covered his career in detail since GP2

      2. Grant says:

        When it comes to Lewis James I think you’ve really struggled to remain impartial.

        I also think that you’re genuinely unaware of it.

      3. James Allen says:

        So which way do I lean?

      4. Sam East says:

        Lewis receives a hell of a lot more scrutiny than other drivers. There is no two ways in my mind that on paper, Rosberg should have come off worse that weekend.

        Rather than the feeling of Hamilton coming off worse purely by virtue of his own actions, or the media savviness of Rosberg, it feels more like actually, Rosberg has been swept under the carpet because far fewer really care about what he does.

        Hamilton meanwhile gets lambasted by a crowd of journalists and forum posters who believe they all know how to behave in the spotlight better for some misguided reason.

        I admit im a fan of the guy; he makes F1 a lot more entertaining. Its just a shame that more people seemingly can’t appreciate that for what it is. If he had appeared not to be annoyed by what Rosberg did, I would be alienated.

      5. Monji says:

        Are you a fan of any driver at all?

        Sure your job is to be impartial but the there seem to be a unique style in writing amount you and fellow pundits. Hardly disagreements. Unlike fans whom are always divided on opinions which is a good thing I think.

      6. SaScha says:

        You are clearly against Lewis little diggs everywhere

      7. KRB says:

        Impartial does not equate to sanitizing comments about any particular driver, just b/c that driver’s fanbase might get out of sorts, b/c of the comments. There have been times where I thought JA was being a touch unfair to LH, and commented about it, but on the whole he’s as fair as can be.

        JA, on another site I saw the claim that there have already been fisticuffs (or maybe just handbags) in the Mercedes team between the mechanics from the two garages. Can you confirm or deny that?

        It’s a mostly alien situation in the Mercedes team at the moment, as the drivers’ fight is purely internal, and there is no external fight for the WCC. They will always have to keep in mind that eventually the situation will normalize, and again the major battle will be external. Just have to make sure things are not said now, that could linger into that future period.

      8. James Allen says:

        I don’t believe it

      9. chris green says:

        hi james – i appreciate how you call it but something to keep in mind is that there is no such thing as impartiality. everyone brings their own unique cultural baggage to the table.
        its one of the big misconceptions that dogs the media. the media by its very nature makes it impossible to be impartial.

        The medium is the message.
        wiki – The phrase was introduced by marshall mcluhan in his book, Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man. McLuhan proposes that a medium itself, not the content it carries, should be the focus of study. He said that a medium affects the society in which it plays a role not only by the content delivered over the medium, but also by the characteristics of the medium itself.

        i think lewis should talk to alan jones about dealiing with team mates. carlos reutemann dudded jones on a team agreement. after that it was war. this is f1 not playschool.

      10. Grant says:


        I’d say just read your own articles James.

        My guess would be you haven’t even picked up on the subtle yet consistent anti-Lewis sentiment in Martin Brundle’s commentary.

      11. Breton says:

        Away from Hamilton and towards Alonso!

      12. Jamie Norman says:

        Hi, whilst i may not agree with everything James say, i think he is being quite impartial here.

      13. F1 Badger says:

        I disagree I think the point of the article is very clear. LH needs to grip his emotions and focus on the win. It is obvious from past seasons that LH lets his emotions affect his racing and it has cost him many points. I’m a LH fan as I think that he is an amazing driver but he has to fight himself on track at times…the likes of FA and SV do not. They effectively have one less (and arguably less damaging) rival.
        To completely contradict myself…it’s nice to see a sports star with human flaws. I believe LH can master his and that this experience is part of that (grasshopper).

      14. Dr Lewis says:

        No offence James but there is impartial and ‘impartial’ the fact you are justifying this suggests to those not totally convinced, the latter. I am fairly sure your not aware but success sometimes means a higher profile and thus…

        Regardless this site is not as ridiculous as others. Personally, Lewis is hugely talented (I have watched him since he was 11! – frankly his earlier years pre Mclaren sponsored would give you more idea as to why he can sometimes be emotional) his age and experience is rarely put forward in defence of his occasional outbursts along with some truly ridiculous treatment by fans and race management in his first two years in F1. No one else has put up with the crap he has in their early years yet he is still a prime target for the impartial and unbiased media. Strange that?

        Particularly when you look at his record.

        And particularly when you measure that in the RB dominant years – only Alonso has been as successful in those. A more mature (years) and someone belonging to a team wholly focused on him. Unlike Lewis…

        He may pi** off people of the ‘media’ despite his golden output but he deserves respect regardless.

      15. Martin says:

        Hi James,

        My sense, having read your comments over ~ 5 years is that you do a good job of being impartial. Me feeling is that compared to some other journalists (Mark Hughes and Edd Straw as two examples) more of your own analysis of drivers is on the human side and less is made of which driver might be fastest over one lap. Instead you’ll take notice of what the engineers give you in terms of feedback about who is particularly good based on the data they have. Since you don’t spend/waste time on the aura of Hamilton being the fastest over one lap, you are possibly seen as not giving credit to Hamilton by some here.

        That you regularly watch the drivers answer questions from the pack, I can completely understand what you mean by Hamilton getting on done by people paid to ask questions and to get a story. Judging by the Hamilton’s radio traffic, I suspect the way he manages the team out of the car may not be as adept as Rosberg either. Whether it has any effect on his results is another matter. 2011 suggests it could be a possibility.
        For fans, Hamilton is fast, has great instinct for passing and will favour aggressive strategies over the long game. That is all great for fans, but they are not the only qualities that help. I think you get that about right.

        A thought on Canada, there was a comment from the Barcelona test that Rosberg had improved his braking performance, and area Hamilton had been better this year. That Rosberg was generally the faster in sector one over the weekend at Monaco, where braking for Ste Devote is the main event, may bode well for Rosberg in Canada.


      16. KB Davies says:

        Sorry James, but pure subjectivity is an illusion.
        As a human being, you have your views, prejudices and opinions. It is simply impossible to put them TOTALLY aside in a way that eliminates any contamination in your writings. This is not a slight on your journalistic abilities; but simple human psychology. The challenge is to minimize the effects your opinions have on your objectivity; as it is impossible to eradicate it.

        Simply put, anything we say, do or experience is always through the lens and filter of our subjective consciousness.

        Saying that i believe you agree with the way in which Lewis conducts himself outside the car; and you are not alone in this regard. This conclusion is NOT based on this article alone, and therefore, it is impossible for this personal opinion not to leak out every now and then when you write about him.
        This is what makes you biased against Lewis, though not maliciously so.

      17. James Allen says:

        I think you mean objectivity in first para

      18. KB Davies says:

        Sorry, i meant to write “pure objectivity” in the first paragraph.

      19. Mike from Colombia says:

        James, I think that most readers here would feel that to criticise you here would come across as being truly ungrateful for all your incredible work.

        I love your output and am a big fan of yours ever since your race strategy reports in the late 90s. What you have done in terms of building this site from nothing is truly amazing.

        However, I have to say that ever since you left ITV you have come across as very anti-Hamilton. At first, I thought it was a reaction to those who said you were too pro-Hamilton when at ITV but now it seems to have become very persistent.

        Something must have happened between Hamilton and the media as there seems to be a huge disparity between the deep felt affection of Hamilton’s massive fanbase and that of the more sophisticated groups of F1 journalists.

      20. Steve Zodiac says:

        James, whatever you do don’t say Slope !!
        By the way I think you do a pretty good job of remaining impartial.

      21. justafan says:

        No wonder. If someone who earns a lot money states maybe it’s because I’m black instead of accepting his own failure, that doesn’t bring him any sympathy in a world dominated by whites.

      22. Rob T says:


        James is actually commenting on Lewis’s reflection and change of heart regarding the friendship.

        How is that being a Lewis [mod], or being biased – seriously?

        BTW I love Lewis’s ballsy driving, but HATE his constant whinging on team radio when things don’t go his way. Unfortunately it reminds me of Vettel and his spoilt brat tendencies…

        BTW….I think Lewis will end up wiping the floor this year and claim his 2nd championship, hopefully it does it with more class than he’s been displaying of late so I can be genuinely happy for him.

        Keep up the great work James, love this website and seeing you on Channel 10!

      23. littleredkelpie says:

        Exactly. You’ve nailed every point. I read this website because JA calls it the way he sees it and clearly goes to considerable lengths to inform his view. Without knowing what they are doing, it is clear that a lot of the posters here, calling for ‘more impartiality’, are actually calling for ‘equal positive and negative comments about everyone please’ … no thanks. total yawn.
        Impartiality means calling a spade a spade.

      24. James Allen says:

        Thanks ! You get it!

      25. Erik says:

        Neither am I, with good reason. Just look at the whole Monaco weekend. Lewis claims he deserves it more than Nico because of his humble upbringings, but who was the bigger prima dona in Monte Carlo? Nico, meanwhile, stayed a true professional.

      26. Nathan Jones says:

        Nico the true professional???? What, because he served the Grand Prix up to himself on a silver platter by ‘accidentally’ bringing out yellow flags? True professional? For crying out loud, of course he tried to stay professional as it was all he could not to crack his face in half by grinning from ear to ear so much. He had to step away from the camera to stop himself from guffawing into his sport drink, I’ll bet, from pure glee.

      27. rider says:

        @Martin Last year,it was the same.Nico was better on the brakes and much more comfortable entering into Ste devote but when we came to Montreal,he was no where near Hamilton,finishing off a staggering 54 seconds behind.

      28. Mike from Colombia says:

        Most of the paddock believes that Nico did it on purpose. Ted reported that these included experienced team principals.

        Why didin’t any of these people speak up?

        a) It is of no benefit to Mercedes. They had grid positions 1 and 2 anwyay.
        b) Any team calling Nico a [mod] could have kissed goodbye to the opportunity to hire Rosberg in the future
        c) Mercedes supplies a third of the grid…why risk their wrath?
        d) Bernie does not want any anti-German sentiment at the moment

        Lewis spoke out because he was the only person to gain from doing so. In practical terms it didn’t matter to anyone else. If one of the Red Bull drivers had done this, then Mercedes would be all over it.

        Telemtry does not tell everything. If only telemetry was relied on then we would never have discovered Crashgate and Schumacher would never have been penalised for Jerez 2007. Maldonado would only have half of the penalties he had now.

        This season has seen journalistic standards slip dramatically. A willingness to ignore facts and opinions when it suits a bias.

        Most of these journos are heavily compromised. I mean, if you hitch a lift back on someone’s private jet then you’re not going to go out of your way to criticise them and p them off afterwards?

        I think that at some point Hamilton must have flipped with some journalists over some issue and they have had it in for him ever since.

    2. TimW says:

      I think James was reffering to Nico being more media savvy.

      1. Kris says:

        Agreed and perhaps I should have been clearer, but still, would such celebrating in that way be endearing to the media? I know Brundle was commentating on Sky and commented that the celebration seemed a little strange and inappropriate. While one can never be sure, I can’t help but think that media in other countries might have felt the same.

      2. Andrew says:

        I think the celebrating on Rosberg’s part was mind games to Lewis. Lewis would have been thinking there “why is he doing?” “Did he crash on purpose?” It clearly annoyed the hell out of lewis seeing Rosberg on pole the way in the way he had got it. Rosberg was adding a little fuel to the fire and using the situation to his advantage. Lewis has played his own mind games on Rosberg earlier in the year for example in Malaysia he was saying things like “I have never finished ahead a team mate with such a big gap etc” really rubbing salt onto the wounds after that race.
        They are both racers and both know that to win you need use every moment to your own gain. I think the whole Monaco thing would have really blown up if they had crashed into each other or if Lewis had allowed his anger to put him into the wall.

      3. zootrees says:

        I don’t think nico drew the yellow flags on purpose, so I doubt he was concerned about how celebrate. I also doubt he realized how the whole situation looked from Lewis’ or the fans perspective. Nico apologized when he realized the situation later.

      4. TimW says:

        I also thought the celebration was wildly innapropriate but have to admit that Nico came across better in the post quali/race interviews. I guess it is easy to be sanguine when your the one who has gained an advantage, and very difficult for Lewis to hide his anger at the sutuation. It seems that the people do expect drivers to hide their true feelings in interview and generally lie when asked direct questions, Lewis clearly needs to work on this skill to avoid the kind of abuse he has received after Monaco.

      5. Martin says:

        The celebration, while unedifying to me, was not in an environment where the media could immediately call him on it. In a press conference the media pack can read the body language and push the pressure points. James has had a long time to study Hamilton, and while he mentions Monaco specifically, there is a trend.

    3. Doug SA says:

      I too would love to hear your answer to the above James. Yes Hamilton could have come out of this looking really bad? But are you so sure Ros did himself any favours?

    4. Samir says:

      Interesting that Rosberg has come out of a situation in which he most likely [mod] better…but this is only because the anti-Lewis elements in the media have chosen to twist things the way they please to make it appear thus via their opinions,and their voice has been louder than those who think Nico [mod]. There is no connection with the facts. Mark Hughes has been one standout exception in this regard. While not taking sides, he has quite clearly stuck to his assertion that he believes Nico’s act was deliberate. It was nice that Jenson took the opportunity to say something positive about Lewis, in my view a subtle hint as to what his view on the incident is. Derek Warwick has done himself no favors by saying the character of the person involved had a lot to do with his decision, and stating the championship situation was also a serious consideration…according to Hughes the stewards also apparently did not choose to review tire loading data to help explain the sawing of the wheel, and ignored the suspicious act of reversing towards oncoming cars.

      The negativity towards Lewis, where some media elements twist almost anything he does into a negative to a far greater extent than they do with other drivers, then maintain silence when he does something indisputably brilliant, is a bit perverse in my opinion. Before last year it was poor decision making in joining Merc, before this season it was his inability to master the new regs, now it his poor sportsmanship (ironically). This is about a world champion, a man who has won multiple races with a panache that is sadly missing from his team-mate’s wins (the last three of which have been on the back of Lewis being disadvantaged).

      1. Kingszito says:


        I can’t say it better.

        The whole world would have come to past if Lewis had done what Nico did in Monaco. Yet none of the medias has questioned Nico’s integrity.

        @James, you can easily jump to analyze Hamilton’s body language, but yet you find it difficult to tell us the obvious. What is your position on the Nico incident? Was it deliberate or not? Yes the Stewards cleared him, but what is your position? Nobody is going to call for your head on a spike, just tell us what you believe. We might disagree with you on that, but would know your position on that. You can’t tell us that you don’t have your personal opinion or that you agree with all the stewards decision without any question. Your personal opinion matters to us.

      2. James Allen says:

        I’ve already said my position several times last week –

        I have my suspicions, like many people, but the stewards on site had all the data and found no smoking gun proof, so I accept that.

        No-one can say categorically ROS did it deliberately, because the evidence studied by qualified people doesn’t bear it out. What else can you do or say on the matter?

      3. NickH says:

        Data isn’t even required just look at the footage. It wasn’t even that big a lock up and he was correcting the car unnecessarily so that he wouldn’t make the corner. Just like Michael did.

        Anyway at least Lewis will thrash Rosberg in Montreal, not too many places to accidentally park up there

      4. Racehound says:

        Im with James on this! Nicos integrity was called into question thats why his pole was being scrutinised. He was cleared! What else can you say on the matter? Even Derek Warwick has been interviewed about how and why he came to the decision, how he had all the data, and was satisfied no mischief had taken place. Next!! #:)

      5. Samir says:

        James, it’s cool! It appears that the stewards may not have reviewed all the data that they could (tire loading apparently was not reviewed per Mark Hughes). Derek Warwick’s comments have incensed fans more as they seem to argue for the integrity of the driver rather than provide a completely unbiased picture. The stewards and FIA have frequently let fans down with their decisions, therefore their final verdict is equivalent to a soccer referee who could not see a dive despite having the best seat in the house. The media has spent an inordinate amount of time focusing on subjective things such as the “behavior” of the driver etc etc in a sport full of people who rarely say what they really think anyway. I think it’s fair to point out that there is no single “acceptable behavioral norm” and Lewis’ behavior is not at all different from that of many sportsmen and even his peers (remember Alonso’s “it’s not a sport” type of comment at Monza ’06?). There are aspects of Rosberg’s behavior, between his spell’s of smoothness, that are unsavory as well. In any case, giving Rosberg any kind of penalty (even one for “inexplicably” reversing) would have hurt a championship fight that is close mainly due to Hamilton’s AUS retirement. Controversies buy eyeballs and this is in fact an outcome that I am certain that Bernie, FIA and the media loves…though it may not necessarily be sport!

      6. kenneth chapman says:

        all very interesting and conspiracies aside why does hamilton think that he can get away with comments such as ‘if you’d seen what i have seen’ etc etc etc. he then hides behind a wall of secrecy so as to shield him from further scrutiny.

        he should ‘man up’. if he has evidence of rosberg [mod] then he should make it public. he is in fact defaming the stewards and rosberg. these comments are actionable. if i was warwick/rosberg i would offer him an option. show us the proof or apologise publicly. this is no more and no less than the common law rights of any individual in a democracy.

        why some people continue to defend him despite the aforementioned is beyond me.

      7. Samir says:

        He cannot man up by sharing confidential data. He has to be careful not to explicitly call Rosberg a [mod]. It is not easy to express yourself in an atmosphere with so many constraints, which is why to not say anything can be the best response (Kimi was upset about strategy post-Spain to the point that he couldn’t say anything). Ideally, the information presented to the stewards should be presented to the public and transcript of discussion with the drivers/teams revealed. Of course, this will never happen. Lack of transparency is not a new situation in F1.

      8. Gaz Boy says:

        I agree.
        The way I look it, it’s 1 race out of 19, and the 19th race has double points anyway! No racing driver in modern grand prix racing has won every single race of the season and should be able to compartmentalise that.
        Is there any shame in finishing 2nd once in a while? A driver gets a good spoonful of points, 18 to be precise (36 at Abu Dhabi!), and of course in 2 of the last 4 seasons the points difference between the world champion and runner up has just been a few, so take the points, bring it home, live to fight another day!

      9. C63 says:

        why some people continue to defend him despite the aforementioned is beyond me…

        C’mon KC, you know very well why people defend him. It’s because they are fans. I recall you were very defensive about Rickys disqualification in Australia – but to me it was a slam dunk. RBR had ignored the FIA instruction to turn down fuel flow and were out of the race as a consequence. You as a fan of Ricky felt very hard done by though and continued to argue the point.
        Having said that, I don’t think Hamilton handled the situation very well and came across as sulky. As Gazboy says – take the points, bring it home and live to fight another day.

      10. kenneth chapman says:

        @C63….regarding ricciardo, yes you are quite correct but it was a totally different scenario as i’m sure that, if you give it some thought, would agree.

        the RBR situation was one of disputation between the FIA and RBR and technically had zip to do with ricciardo, as the FIA acknowledged publically. my support for ricciardo was based simply on that supposition and that there were precedents where teams had been penalised and because the drivers had no input into those team decisions the drivers were allowed to keep their points.

        you must also take into account that i repeatedly stated that if the FIA proved their case legally then RB should suffer whatever penalty was handed out.

        the current situation with hamilton/rosberg bears no similarity whatsoever apart from the fact that FIA have adjudicated and found no malfeasance on the part of rosberg. despite all this hamilton has hid behind this ‘cannot disclose’ the data to back up his assertions which i find totally weak. he puts it out that rosberg cheated but when push comes to shove he hides. a bit like the eric lutz/sutil escapadeIIRC.

        anyway, all that aside, it is now back to the racing and we will see where the pieces fall in this ongoing battle of the wills.[wheels]thoroughly enjoyable.

      11. Dr Lewis says:

        The last time he made anything public I seem to recall you were all for having him hung drawn and quartered?

        Regardless of the how’s and whys – if a snooker player gets a fluke that changes the face of a match – do they run around the table looking for someone to hug?

        No they hold their hands up and apologise.

        It is that component (along with a ridiculously hurried attempt to find reverse) that completely soured the whole matter. Anything Lewis did from that point should be a non story or be forgiven but, no, once again the bad guy is Lewis. And that despite his incredible efforts this year to overcome a 25 point deficit while providing us with an excellent set of races. All to see it vanish with yet another unfair mess.

        Sometimes I wonder what the critical public and the media actually want from F1?

      12. kenneth chapman says:

        @ samir…. “he cannot man-up’ because etc etc etc. what a load of old garbanzos. if i recall correctly didn’t hamilton post confidential maclaren data on his twitter account some time ago?

        anyway, that is beside the point. the fact remains, he has cast a slur on rosberg’s integrity and he does not have the ‘intestinal fortitude’ to either publicly apologise or provide the evidence.

        hamilton fans can waffle all they like but they cannot escape the aforementioned facts and the subsequent conclusions.

        yes, he does attract a lot of attention from the media etc. have you ever asked the question why? are you aware of what ‘brand hamilton’ is? it is a marketing exercise to keep him on the front pages and inevitably he will be put under the microscope. his actions in monaco did just that and he has to be aware of what the outcome is.

        simply put, if you make allegations just make sure that you have the evidence to back them up. in this case, no evidence has been provided.

        fortunately or unfortunately this matter will not die as the season has quite a long way to run and the media will ensure that it is kept alive. should make for an interesting time.

      13. Samir says:

        Kenneth, the earlier twittergate episode would have made Lewis LESS trigger happy when it comes to sharing confidential information. The level of transparency in F1 decision making makes it impossible for journalists (or technically oriented fans) to have the data they need to make better decisions. My own suspicions were aroused by some curious aspects of Rosberg’s driving during the incident, which I have raised in other posts. Many commentators have reported that several figures in the F1 paddock believe the “error” was deliberate. As such, Rosberg’s reputation is most likely stained by his own actions. All the same, Michael Schumacher’s shenanigans never lost him fans, neither did Senna’s alienate his worshipers. So you needn’t worry…there aren’t too many saints in F1 anyway. This topic has been a bit overplayed in the media, as one might expect, and I for one have spent too much time dissecting it (lot of fun though).

      14. Wheels says:

        I agree totally, Samir….

        I’ve been following Grand Prix racing for over four decades and I’ve never seen an F1 driver so reviled and ridiculed as Lewis Hamilton. Of course in recent times the development and influence of the IT social media has enhanced this phenomenon a million fold.

        Years earlier, for by far the most part, F1 drivers were nothing but heroes and Grand Prix Champions worshiped as romanticized stars. However, the criticism of Hamilton’s behavior after Monaco qualifying, and on the podium post-race goes beyond unfair and insensitive.
        After all, Hamilton felt cheated in a big way, and he had every reason to believe that to be the case. I felt the same way, too…. The scenario, after final qualifying and the race, was a big drag on my head, the whole race weekend ruined for me!

        In fact, the media’s treatment of Lewis is way too obvious in my opinion, and as an observer, for the first time in 45 years of enthusiasm, I feel a tinge of shame being a fan of F1 racing.

        I found Mika Hakkinen’s comments particularly appalling and full of favoritism. You just have to consider the fact that Nico Rosberg’s father, Keke, is Finnish (like Mika), was his manager during Hakkinen’s F1 career and they are best of friends…. No doubt, Hakkinen used his access to the media to go about helping in destabilizing Lewis’ head during his F1 title fight with Nico. Again, too obvious….

        Derek Warwick’s comments were, also, out of bounds seeing as how he was, supposedly, an objective race steward whose decision was free of any opinion or bias…..

        All in all, this whole episode I find very ugly and distasteful.

      15. Wheels says:


        I don’t agree with any criticism of James Allen’s outlook on Lewis Hamilton. I’ve always seen it as far an objective and I think James is (secretly) a big fan of Hamilton’s….

      16. justafan says:

        It didn’t take too long until someone brings the nationality thing into the discussion. Mate, why can’t you simply accept other’s opinions without leaning them on national bias? You are being rude to Mika. You probably can’t find a more honest person than Mika within the past WC’s. Do you even know him personally? I do.

      17. Dr Lewis says:

        Excellent comment.

        Note how many (albeit with the help of a ridiculously irresponsible story hunting media) unheard of lately stars pop out the woodwork to have their say.

        Given Mika sat behind a load of trees crying at one point because it did not go all his way, I would have kept my mouth shut! And that’s a driver I respect!

        As for DW – can you name one occasion where he was the driver marshal and supported Lewis? I am struggling.

        I do feel that regardless of their previous history with the FIA – such positions should be filled by those that have experienced life at the front of the field. I have always been impressed by DW fighting qualities but being blunt. Has he ever been where NR, LW, FA and VT are year on year?

        That experience has a whole different pressure on how you act, behave and race…

        Better than none at all I suppose but…

        How is that for controversial?

      18. Arnie S says:

        I think itäs sad that the pro-HAM thinks that all the rest is anti-HAM. My humble opinion is that HAM is one of the best in the field, but behaves like a spoild child.

        I was at Monaco, I didn’t see anything in the circuit, after the pole or after the victory that said that ROS celebrated “too much”. As James is saying, if there is no smoking gun found from the experts, how can HAM-fans be so sure that it’s a set-up by ROS???

        In the case of MSC vs ALO it was quite obvious. The classic “second is the first looser” is the perfect quote for the WE.

      19. Wheels says:


        As far as the experts go (ie…race stewards)I personally think pressure from the very vocal outcry against the “new” F1 format made the FIA & CO. super gun shy in terms of making yet another decision that would cause, still more, criticism.

        Let’s take the Monaco GP, for instance…. It was only eight tears ago that Michael Schumacher infamously disrupted final qualifying with his intentional crash at Rascasse corner.

        Then, this season, we sat and watched Nico Rosberg (in my opinion) do exactly the same move as Schuey, ruining, yet, another Monaco final qualifying session.

        Now, here we are watching Monaco GP 2015. Once again, whatever driver is on top of the time sheets with just a minute to go before the checkered flag, ending final qualifying, said pilot does, once again, the some cheating strategy.

        Well, I think you could then honestly say that the oldest Grand Prix race on the calender, the Grand Prix du Monaco, would for all practical purposes, cease to exist as a, truly, legitimate entity worth taking seriously .

        So, in realty, the decision made by the race stewards concerning Rosberg’s yellow flag incident at Monte Carlo, (again in my opinion) was heavily influenced by mounting pressures and politics from inside and outside the sport.

      20. Nathan Jones says:

        Mate, I am going to keep an eye out for your future posts – that is a brilliant comment.

        You are a beacon of hope for the rest of us Hamilton fans, who, day in day out, see our guy get taken to the cleaners by the F1 press, whilst they blithely sweep any crimes and misdemeanours from others under the carpet.

        Rosberg’s celebrations were a palpable disgrace. No question. Yet no F1 journo, came out with a strong opinion either way, and nor did they call out Rosberg for his appalling behaviour. Lewis would have been crucified a hundred times over, and a hundred times again. And then raked over the coals, for good measures.

        Instead, everyone pats Rosberg on the back for winning the media game (did he? Really?) and paint it as some great trait worthy of praising. So was it a case of saying: “Well done, Nico. You might have cheated, in fact I don’t care if you did or not, because you lied beautifully in front of the cameras. Stick that up Lewis’s jacksie!”

        Frankly, I can’t see how anyone can say Lewis came off worse. Why? Because he reacted angry that he clearly lost the chance for the pole, and hence the win – and quite probably because of an instance of cheating (according to majority of paddock). And as for Surtees, there is one guy who has never had a single good word to say about hamilton. Nothing, which hasn’t involved a bigger dig straight after it.

      21. Samir says:

        A lot of people find it hard to separate the off-track persona from the on-track performance. In a sense, this is an emotional reaction from self-proclaimed neutrals. The sound bites collected by the media may or may not be outcomes of thorough analyses, more likely they are the reactions of observers to events filtered via their own biases, and we spend way too much time amplifying and dissecting them here. A little humility from the experts is always appreciated…they are bound to get it wrong sometimes, but the more one knows, the harder it becomes to keep an open mind sometimes. If Nico’s driving is defensible, then Lewis’ reaction to it certainly is as well, as you say. This is not the first time a great driver will have had a difficult relationship with his national media. Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost (until Senna became his nemesis) to name two examples.

      22. Wheels says:

        Well said, Nathan!

        Hey, check this out! I remember way back when, after the Imola Grand Prix of ’82, the end result being a huge blow up on the rostrum between Ferrari teammates Gilles Villenueve and Didier Pironi.

        Scope You Tube, and find a video of that happening. Boy, I’ll tell you, Villeneuve was by no means celebrating…. In fact, he looked as if he was ready to hit Pironi over the head with a magnum Moet bottle! Simply furious!

        I recall, there was lot’s of sympathy for Gilles in motor racing press, after that incident, unlike Hamilton, this time around. Villenueve was very popular. At the same time, Lewis Hamilton is very popular. So where’s the difference?

        Hamilton looked real cool and unfazed on the rostrum, while wearing his shades, compared to Gilles, I’ll tell yah…. Lewis was kind of like–”Okay, mate! This is how low down and dirty you’re gonna take it….”

        That’s it, I didn’t see anything else in Lewis’ behavior on the podium at Monaco. He even managed a forced smile, here and there….

        I can say explicitly that there was not one negative comment in the press, that I ever read, criticizing Villenueve’s behavior on the podium, that fateful day in May of *82. And sadly, Gilles died tragically two weeks later, while taking a huge risk in qualifying at the Belgium GP, trying to out qualify Pironi–very sad….

        I recall it all like it was yesterday. I read everything concerning Gilles Villenueve at the time. He was my favorite, like Lewis Hamilton is today….. Both very dynamic drivers, with tons of flair.

        Anyway, sorry folks, I stand by the way I see this matter. Certainly, a big stain on the F1 circus, on a social level, in my opinion.

      23. littleredkelpie says:

        A beacon of hope! lol.

      24. Grant says:

        “Instead, everyone pats Rosberg on the back for winning the media game (did he? Really?) and paint it as some great trait worthy of praising.”

        And these people still manage to convince themselves that they are ‘impartial’.

      25. Alexander supertramp says:

        Very very good comment!

    5. J Hancock says:

      Lewis seems to see problems and shadows of problems all the time and seems unable to keep them to himself (for example, his various unprovoked outbursts against Jenson Button during 2012). Fairly or not it does not endear him to a large portion of the media and fans.
      Rosberg’s calmer public demeanor is certainly better in this respect, as for the two driver’s relationship, I expect that it will only truly heal when one or both of them are retired from F1. They are two of the best drivers on the grid, with the best car, they will do whatever it takes to win. That kind of pressure takes it toll on any friendship, but the pressure doesn’t last forever.

      1. Samir says:

        Rosberg has made more pressure mistakes on the track. Calmer outside the car does not necessarily make you a better driver.

    6. My take on why the conlcuions is that Nico has played the game better – lack of emotional displays. At this level of sport the differences come down to what is going on inside the driver’s head. As an ex-racer myself I used to try and niggle the opposition. If you got an emotional response then you know you have got inside their head and have them beaten. Look at how Valentino Rossi has done this over his career – he has been a master of it.

      Why does a show of emotion make a man beaten? Because his decisions are based on revenge, or getting even – redressing some sort of wrong. That takes focus (and crucial analytical thinking) away from simply being the fastest they can be on track. Look at how many times Lewis tangled with Felipe in the past (often way down the field) with both of them showing emotional outbursts. They were no longer focussed on themselves being fast but trying to get even or gaining the moral high ground in their little spats.

      There is a biological reason why, in sporting situations at least, emotion gets in the way of optimal performance but we don’t have the space to cover it here. Suffice to say, Nico maintained a calm, almost detached, view of the on-track events whilst Lewis got all fired up and emotional. Being fired up can be a good thing if the person can channel that into greater focus on themselves but I don’t see that happening with Lewis, hence his desire for a quiet weekend in Canada.

      1. Samir says:

        Great point, but not sure it is backed up by what happened on the track. Rosberg has made more pressure mistakes on the track, including Monaco regardless of what else one agrees on. Nothing wrong with Lewis’ driving in the race. Safety car prevented a fight on race day. Rosberg in fuel saving would have been easier game on most other tracks. It is possible to be upset outside the car and then get back into the zone when driving. Have still not seen Lewis’ so-called radio outbursts cause an error though I don’t know what effect it has on his team. Clearly he knows how to race. You don’t earn 30+ poles, 25+ wins by not knowing how to focus. Yup, 2011 was an aberration and there have been over-aggressive pressure mistakes at brazil ’07, fuji ’08, monza ’10. We have yet to see Rosberg prove himself as a championship contender.

      2. Dr Lewis says:

        I can assure you that any racer worth his salt is able to be apoplectic right up until the lights go out. Except possibly a certain pay driver around at the moment.

        If you come through the ridiculously unreliable world of 2 stroke racing where a jet size or slight weather change can ruin a whole weekend and your bank account through mechanical failure time after time, you soon learn how to deal with on track off track matters.

        However add ‘woman’ to the mix and frankly anyone can be forgiven.

        What? No one here ever been affected by matters of the heart more than pretty much anything else in life?

        I think given his age, and the obvious pressures placed on him by a certain not as young, media hungry and savvy lady, he could be forgiven for an occasional brain fart!

    7. Quade says:

      I too would love to know. It seems many in the press simply prefer Lewis to shut up and accept anything thrown at him. He is judged with a different set of scales.

      So what game is Rosberg supposed to be a better player of? Cheating? Is that admirable so far as Lewis is the target? I don’t get it.

    8. Darren says:

      I think we’re being a little harsh on James here. Of course he will have drivers he likes and doesn’t like just like the rest of us. As he said it is his job to be impartial and compared to some other pundits I think he does a very good job of it. Its easy to say from one article “he doesn’t like Hamilton” but if you compare all the articles James writes about him you will probably find there is a healthy balance of “positive” and “negative” bits.

      Hamilton is always a divisive character anyway, it is impossible not to admire his talent but his whinging on the radio and sultriness in post race interviews makes him very hard to like sometimes.

  2. HP says:

    Desperate PR save.

    1. Gudien says:

      Lewis Hamilton likes to compare himself to the great Senna. Is this how Ayrton Senna would act?

      1. J Hancock says:

        Senna would have put Rosberg into the barriers, we could do without a return to that.

      2. Breton says:

        Hear Hear.

      3. Nuno says:

        Completely disagree. Senna would have passed him and won the race, because that is what he did in Monaco.

      4. HP says:

        Yep any deliberate move will see Haimlton getting a penalty, how big I don’t know.

      5. HP says:

        I meant deliberate crashing* into Rosberg

      6. Kevin says:

        I think it’s fair to say Senna himself acted worse in front of the world’s media at times, than Lewis ever has…..

      7. justafan says:

        Haha, but the media loved Senna nevertheless. They always painted Prost and Mansell as the villains. Not so much Senna. But then, people who die young always make a good legend, Monroe, Dean, Senna, you name it.

      8. aveli says:


      9. kenneth chapman says:

        @ aveli….for a moment there i thought that you had disappeared. when are you going to post those comparative lap times that we expected you provide? still waiting…..

      10. aveli says:

        @kenneth chapman, i never promised to post any times.

      11. Neil says:

        Yes, he may even punch you. All the greatest drivers are passionate (goog/bad) otherwise they wouldn’t be champions.

      12. HP says:

        Hes no senna, rosberg is no prost either.

      13. Gudien says:

        Excellent *HP*; That’s my point; Lewis is no Senna, Nico is no Prost.

        Time for Lewis to stop acting like a child, or comparing himself to legendary drivers and get on with his business!

      14. Terry says:

        The old,good old days syndrome.Yawn..
        The whole issue is down to the officials IMO.
        Why is it that impeding another drivers run usually equals a penalty but ROS reversing move doesn’t warrant a mention ?

      15. super seven says:

        Ayrton would have taken them both out at the first corner.

      16. me says:

        He should have taken Rosberg out deliberately, risking the lives of officials from flying debris, then he could have compared himself to Senna.

      17. Craig Sipple says:

        Ayrton Senna was completely bonkers.

        On another point, I believe that the drivers in those days were the pick of a bunch of very rich kids and today F1 is a very different sport. People don’t like to remember but the short time that Schumacher was competing directly with Senna he was leaving him in his dust. Over rated in my very very humble opinion.

      18. Breton says:

        Schumacher had traction control in his car which should not have been there.

      19. dzolve says:

        I agree. I watched F1 all during Senna’s time and he wasn’t anything special.

        The media has a habit of deifying those who die tragically young.

      20. HP says:


      21. Gaz says:

        Are you sure about that statement Craig? He took a ill handling Williams and made 3 poles out of 3, he destroyed Schumacher at Donning ton in 1993.

      22. Sam East says:

        The media like to compare him to Senna. Schumacher and Alonso also said Senna was an inspiration or hero to them, but the media reception was entirely different.

        For example, each time Lewis has been placed against a competitive team mate with a calmer demeanour and they have a close race, media reaction:

        “PROST VS SENNA?”

        Hamilton didnt ask them to say this. Its all terribly predictable, both the invention of the comparison and people’s reactions to think no further than, “Yeah Hamilton needs to get over his Senna obsession.”

        Its rammed down our throats all the time

      23. Nathan Jones says:

        Senna would have acted far worse – by getting physical (cars or fists). And people like you and others would have patted him on the back and told him what a hero he was. Similar to how people pat Kimi on the back for his boorish behaviour.

    2. TheLollipopMan says:

      More like a verbal bum-kicking from no-nonsense Lauda!

      1. HP says:

        Don’t know how that’s gonna play out in future races. Lauda might favour either one, leaving the other to do silly things.

      2. justafan says:

        Lauda will never favour one driver over the other. Brawn would that. Lauda not. Lauda is a pure racer.

  3. fox says:

    ELSATOPLAST of course.
    Ambitious guys go elastoplast way until nearest revenge opportunity.

    1. Glennb says:

      I’ll bet Nicki threatened to kick Lewis in the lolly bag if he didnt post some lovey dubby comment on his social media pages. This is a German team afterall and bitter personal rivalry is inefficient.
      Roll on Canada.

      1. Sasidharan says:

        If its Unhappy on Saturday & Sunday. We are friends on Wednesday Next!

        If its Happy on Saturday & Sunday, then either no post on friendship, or we are “team mates” not best of friends.

      2. fox says:

        you are so right about German DNA,
        recall they had Schumacher and a dream to win both titles as a German team.
        that nation is a proud one.

      3. justafan says:

        Perhaps, however Lauda is not German, a small difference that most people don’t understand.

  4. Sebee says:

    What to make about the point that Lewis can’t set up his own car and depends on Nico’s data?


    1. Steve says:

      I didn’t realise Nico was at McLaren in 2008. Or was Heikki Kovalainen responsible for setting his car up that year?

      1. Sebee says:

        OK, vs. his team mate.

      2. Andrew M says:

        Heikki “The Set Up King” Kovalainen they called him.

        I’m sure Lewis was constantly copying Button’s set up in 2012 when he was winning races and Button couldn’t make it into Q3.

      3. Sebee says:

        Someone has to set up the stricker! It’s a thankless job.

      4. ReviLO says:

        “Heikki “The Set Up King” Kovalainen they called him”. Just Quality! :-)

      5. SaScha says:

        Now we finally know what Rosberg made in the McLaren gerage every other GP especially 2012, when JB was lost at see with set ups. Rosberg the ba*tard only hepled Lewis with set up there!

    2. snarfsnarf says:

      I think Lewis has improved slightly on that front but I do feel he depends highly when paired with experienced teammates. The team mates share information to a degree but clearly if one driver is better at setup then the lesser driver benefits more. I’m certain this was a bone of contention with Alonso and later Button outperformed him too in their first season together. I think Hamilton needs more help from people around him than these drivers do.

      Ya he’s fast. He’s also extremely petty. I feel because he isn’t as strong in other areas when his speed is challenged he starts to crumble. He’s probably getting stronger though…

      1. Pkara says:

        Lewis sets his car. At Mclaren & at Mercedes.
        This isn’t an examination where you can buy a set of Key Facts or Cliff Notes.

      2. C63 says:

        and later Button outperformed him too in their first season together…..

        Really? Are you sure about that?

      3. snarfsnarf says:


      4. Sebee says:

        F1 Bible, Book of Lewis 20:10

        With one more DNF than Button, Lewis shall part the mechanical horses and scoreth 26 more points in than The Hardest Button to Button.

      5. SaScha says:

        Neither Alonso nor Button outperformed lewis in their 1st season together
        Why does JB, now whine about an inexperienced temmate since 2 years?

      6. Dr Lewis says:

        You have really made a daft comment there.

        Almost no one else has had single or multiple champions as team mates from their rookie year and beaten them consistently from day one despite multiple mishaps! They usually veto such!

        A certain ‘champ’ had to copy LH setup after a half a season in the doldrums.

        But of course – that was all the tyres fault and we are one eyed fans I seem to recall.

        Honestly some comments make you laugh.

        He is not perfect. No one is but at least appreciate his abilities during a time of complete RB domination.

      7. snarfsnarf says:

        [mod] Appreciate his abilities in RB domination? It must take a special kind of moron to believe his own tripe but to call others daft shows what a half-wit you are. I have my reasonings for my thoughts. What exactly has Lewis done to prevent RB domination? He’s only ever beat them when he’s had a faster car. In the last few years the only driver who has ever truly challenged RB in a slower car has been Alonso. [mod]

    3. Marcin says:

      No one in that article makes the point you mention.

      1. Marcin says:

        Just to be clear – the title of the story is the only place where that inference is made. In the article itself, all they say is that Nico does the dirty work (ie works harder, spends time with engineers, works on setup).

      2. Sebee says:

        So you don’t think it would be interesting for the two cars not to share data for a few races?

    4. Glennb says:

      As a long time HAM fan I was astounded to hear this statement but grudgingly accept that it is indeed the case.

      1. aveli says:

        hamilton fans don’t need to say they are fans. we recognise them by what they post and from what you have posted, you are an antihamilton fan.
        that article clearly tells you that hamilton was always faster than rosberg but which one of them made it into gp2 and f1 first?
        secondly, setting up a go kart is different from setting up an f1 car.
        thirdly, while rosberg worked with schumacher, that mercedes was no where near as good as when hamilton came in and asked for major changes to bring the car to the competitive standard it is today. after seeing the results of his hard work, hamilton said he will design and build a car in the future, with the best handling characteristics because he would set it up himself. have we heard any other driver using any such words? the best driver to have stepped foot in the history of the sport and the greatest f1 star to date.

      2. Glennb says:

        I’m not anti-Hamilton. I’m a fan of the sport and therefore of all the competitiors alike. If I’m “anti” anything, it’s anti-”extreme fans” who can’t accept that there are 20+ other drivers out there all doing their best to succeed. Lewis only needs to come second and the extrteme fans are all over it. Crying that his team let him down, his team-mate let him down, the car let him down, his girlfriend or dog let him down, the media let him down. For crying out loud, it’s OK to come second or third sometimes. You can’t win ‘em all. For the record (and I’ve said this before) I think Lewis is one of the best drivers (on his day) that I’ve ever seen. Great qualifier, great racer. I don’t know the guy personally but he seems too emotional to handle the media and comes off rather poorly on camera when the chips are down. Sort of like the “anti-Kimi” ;)
        I’m also anti “serious” most of the time. I crack a few jokes, sledge a bit, stuff like that. This is a UK based forum and I’m an Aussie, it’s my job.
        I love this forum, thank you James.

      3. Wheels says:

        Tell it like it t’is, aveli…. Tell it like it t/i t’is…!

      4. HP says:

        LOL–> “the best driver to have stepped foot in the history of the sport and the greatest f1 star to date.” – Are you serious!?!

        “…hamilton came in and asked for major changes to bring the car to the competitive standard it is today.” – Ok let me tell you this, this years Mercs were designed way before Hamilton joined the team. Hamilton (just like any other driver would)just demanded that his car to be made for his style of driving, for example, over-steer,under-steer etc whatever he prefers. Hamilton has no part in Merc’s success this year apart from his driving well and winning. Their success mainly because they built the best engine (and now looks like chassis too), Hamilton had no part in that!

        “…hamilton said he will design and build a car in the future, with the best handling characteristics because he would set it up himself.” Every driver sets their car to their preferential setup (sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t). So it doesn’t matter whether a driver says that he does or doesn’t set his car up. Setting a car up is way different from building a car! the only driver that’s known to have done that is Sir Jack Brabham.

      5. aveli says:

        @ glennb, i only draw conclusions from what you post about drivers. everyone knows that human beings are unique, each person made from a set of dna molecules which will never ever be naturally reproduced, each person is their own self and has the right to do what they want, within the law. anyone, to go out of their way, to find any excuse to attack any driver must be driven by a certain emotion unexplainable except for genetic defect of some sort. there are 21 other drivers but you and the others constantly attack hamilton for any reason and claim not to be anti fans. if you are not an anti fan then don’t post like the anti fans do. you can also paste like a neutral fan if you are a neutral fan or an out and out fan.
        please show us a link of an australian based site which is different from this in terms of anti fans posts.
        what is it that hurts you so much about hamilton saying he intends to design his own car in the future? he didn’t say he wants to do it because brabham, rest in pease, did it. he said he wants to do that because he enjoyed the success of making so much contribution to influence the performance of the current mercedes. that is the truth, he said so and i don’t believe in lies as it’s unnatural. nature always wins.

      6. aveli says:

        @hp, I believe in telling the truth. hamilton joined mercedes in 2013 and drove a car which he made very little contribution to in its design and development but he said he made a great deal of contribution to the 2014 car in terms of design and development. i wasn’t there but that is what he said and i believe. if there is a gene in your dna which prevents you from accepting that being possible then I am so sorry I cannot help you. i’m not sure if it’s the same gene telling you that the 2014 mercedes, wo5 hybrid, was designed and built before hamilton joined mercedes but I think you can find out exactly when teams start to design their cars for the following season and you will find out that hamilton was involved right from the start. you can also search the internet to find out if brabham actually built the cars he raced in or not. did he lead a design team to design the car? did he make the components? did he assemble the car? may be he did it all but i don’t know and guess you’ll find out and let me know soon enough.

    5. Mike from Colombia says:

      Yeah. That’s why Jenson and Nico like to copy Hamilton’s setup. Makes perfect sense.

    6. Samir says:

      Not clear the article has any relevance about the state of affairs today. Likely that both drivers use each other’s data. Yeah, Lewis is a lazy 26-time GP winner!

      1. Sebee says:

        So as I said, you don’t think it would be interesting for the two to not share data? I think it would be. In fact, it could provide some much needed fun this season.

        Wonder if one could mislead to other on setup direction or if at this point it’s pretty much mostly pre-determined due to weight and aero reduction.

      2. Warren G says:

        What I’d find interesting is not sharing data during the race that they wouldn’t normally be privvy to against other rivals eg. braking points, amount of lift and coast etc. It might go both ways, but I’ve noticed Hamilton’s engineer feeding him a LOT of that sort of info during the races about Rosberg.

      3. C63 says:

        I agree Sebee. Did you read that, I agree with you?
        It would be very interesting indeed if the Lewis and Nico did not share data. Out of interest, who do you think would benefit most (please provide reasoning).

      4. Andrew M says:

        I don’t think Lewis would mind, after he trounced Nico at Malaysia he said that all the set-up advantage he had from that race was gone because his teammate could study the data before Bahrain. If they didn’t share data for a few races that advantage would have been there for much longer.

      5. Samir says:

        Sure, it would be interesting. But if, rather when, Red Bull begins to challenge for wins, a non-sharing environment would be counter-productive for getting the best result for the team. It is clear that Nico benefited from Lewis post-Malaysia, and Lewis is likely to have also benefited from knowing where Nico gains time on him and how he manages races (I think Lewis acknowledged Nico was very adept at lift-coast last year). Nico has probably looked at Lewis’ starts. I imagine both drivers would prefer the sharing environment. Whether one side of the garage is dishonest in sharing any information that is not automatically logged, is another matter altogether.

      6. Sebee says:

        Well, I have to agree with Warren G. Regulators!

        We do hear a lot of that being fed to Lewis, where as not so much to Nico. Not sure simply if this is because Lewis in P1 4/6 races so far, or he’s simply more popular, of that UK feed or FOM are choosing to feed more Lewis radio. But it seems like those details are being fed to him more so than to Nico.

        All we know is what we’ve been told. And we’re told Nico sticks around and works with the engineers. That would mean he looks for trends and data to gain intelligence on performance. And in a sport measured down to 0.001s it helps.

        However, here is the thing. The engineers aren’t bar stools. They actually know way more about analyzing this data than the drivers. And both drivers would have the resources of an engineer.

        So C63, I’ll give it to Nico. But I don’t think the handycap would be that big to Lewis as both of these guys have expert helpers.

        Now, the interesting bit would be how they set up the car based on the data.

      7. C63 says:

        Not sure it would be wise to make too many conclusions based on radio transmissions – as you say we only know that which we are told, and the radio transmissions we hear are only the ones the broadcasters chooses to let us hear. I was reading an article by Mark Hughes and he was saying that Lewis starts the race with significantly less fuel than Nico as he is a more economic driver. I find it hard to see how Lewis is more economic and also quicker and yet Nico does the set up work. It doesn’t really stack up for me.

      8. Sebee says:

        You know what C63, I thought exactly the same thing a few days back. Funny you mentioned it.

        It’s like the 2nd or third time I recall hearing during a GP that Lewis has a lap less fuel. I think this may be entirely true. But let’s be honest, it can’t be a huge difference. It could be down to strategy. It could be down to how good Lewis is using the ERS perhaps to save a few drops per lap, but I doubt he has much advantage here over Nico, who’s not exactly an old timer and able to press some buttons during a corner if needed.

        More likely I think is a psychological aspect perhaps. Could be to make one feel supperior to the other by recognizing a slight advantage. Another could be as motivation for Nico to try to be more efficient, or ensure push for higher performance from Nico to keep Lewis honest. Yet another could be just to bring conversation about fuel to the forefront. Yet another is that Nico could like a bit more downforce, which would drag him down and cost fuel. Also, could slow him down compared to Lewis.

        But like you say, it’s hard to square being faster with conserving fuel, all other things being equal.

        Interesting also that no one has run out of fuel yet. Wonder if there is a chance Lewis will need to save and as a result will get caught out at some point by not having a bit in reserve end of a GP. It’s not been an issue yet due to fuel savings modes and MB advantage. But could play a role at some point.

      9. C63 says:

        It can’t be a huge difference……
        According to Mark Hughes, Nico had 8.75kg more fuel in his tank compared to Lewis at the start of the race in Bahrain – one of the highest fuel consumption tracks on the calendar. That’s not insignificant when you think about it as 10kg is about a third of a second/lap (I think?).

      10. Sebee says:

        Wow C63…that’s a huge difference. I thought it was lap more.

        So is the MB that fuel efficient that it doesn’t need near the 100kg? Perhaps then that’s how MB is controlling relative team order? It’s hard to believe that Nico’s style alone would require 10% more fuel. It would have to be radical deference in shifting. Hard to believe that’s possible or necessary with these low RPM engines.

      11. Malcolm says:

        Samir…It never ceases to amaze me to the extreme that some will go, in order to take a hit at Lewis.

      12. Voodoopunk says:

        Where’s the extreme?

        I must have missed that.

      13. C63 says:

        I was going to make a similar comment. Then I saw you had saved me the trouble:-)
        The last test, in Spain, Lewis was doing some testing, helping Nico understand why he was struggling at the start. It’s been well documented that Nico checked some of Lewis’s telemetry to understand where he was losing time against him in earlier races. But someone who managed their karting team, around 15 years ago, is now brought forward as some kind of expert commenting on what takes place now. Talk about grasping to try and score a point or two. Oh well……

      14. Samir says:

        Yup, agree. It’s good that the Internet has somewhat democratized opinion though, while simultaneously making it harder to extract the signal from the noise!

      15. Mike from Colombia says:

        Even more disappointing is that the most devious “some” are amongst the media.

        This was bound to happen with Hamilton having a winning car this year.

      16. aveli says:

        that same guy, whoever he is should explain to the public why rosberg made it into gp2 and f1 ahead of hamilton if hamilton was always faster than rosberg.

      17. Dr Lewis says:

        Aveli – if you do not know the answer to why NR got into F1 (and GP2) before LH despite not being as successful then you clearly have little grasp of the politics, funding and marketing behind F1!

        Think man.

        And have a little look at the stats because he really was nowhere near as good as LH in those formulae no matter how much people want him to be.

    7. Kingszito says:

      [mod] Why not post a facebook link or your own blog link to make your point? Was Lewis using Rosberg’s setup while in McLaren? Nico used Hamilton’s Malaysian data which he admitted, how is that not knowing how to set up a car. Hamilton is a champion in almost every category he has competed in yet that’s what you came up with. How can Lewis be consistently fast if he can’t set up his car?

      1. Sebee says:

        It was a point made by someone who worked with them both at the same time. I thought it was interesting and simply wanted to see if there is wegith to the fact that Lewis is perhaps not gifted technically, but gifted in ability to just drive fast. Instead of discussion all I see is back and forth attacks.

        Some GPs it’s easier to setup a car. 2014 it’s a mute point as they have betwee 1-2s gap to others with exception of weird places like slow, aero dependant Monaco.

        Therefore, I think it would be interesting to explore this in the interest of entertaining the fans since Mercedes is completely in a class of it’s own and wins are hardly at risk. Since they are competing pretty much against each other, it would be interesting if the data was not shared between the two sides of the garage to see who really gets more out of the package through this skill. Just for 3 GPs for example.

        Anyhow, it would be just for our entertainment and may cost a driver their rep, so they won’t do it. Also, Mercedes already know this point, so why put results at risk to show us this point. But…it would be interesting.

      2. Doug SA says:

        Fact: Best car set = Race wins.
        Fact: Lewis Hamilton 26
        Fact: JB 15
        Fact: Ros 5
        Question: Whos copying who? Duhhh!!!!!

      3. OneBbob says:

        I agree, it would be interesting, and to take it to its natural extent in race updates on strategy and performance between the two drivers should also be prevented. If their cart manager’ opinion of them holds true today, it would be a tough time call as to who would prevail, as his opinion clearly is that HAM is the faster driver but ROS can make is car a little faster.

      4. Kingszito says:

        It’s well documented that Nico used Lewis Malaysian data. If Lewis could set his car up to finish more than 17 seconds on Nico what else do you want him to prove. Sharing data in F1 team is very common, no F1 driver can say that he has never copied his team mate’s data. Toto said at the last test in Barcelona that Lewis was working on race starts for Nico, it’s pretty common in F1 that drivers evaluate their team mate’s setup to stir the engineers to the right direction and make the car faster.

        If you need entertainment why not discuss the reason Ricciardo is trashing our four time world champion in the same car in his very first season with the team? That would make a very interesting discussion.

      5. Deeno says:

        This is actually bordering on rediculous. I thought F1 fans had more brainpower.

        Why are we even using all this space to discuss this? Don’t you guys even question these bogus blog.

        How can a driver sho has proven to be a superior qualifier than he’s team mates not know how to setup his car?

        And if he is so useless why is he always beating his team mates with their own setups???

        Next week I am starting my own Blog Msc copied Barrichello’s setups all these years,

      6. Sebee says:


        First, a little baby girl is keeping our 4 time champion up. Lack of sleep is translating into track performance. :-)

        Second, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The car is way different. You can drive a BMW, then get into a Mercedes and not like the suspension, weight, etc. These new cars are different and he’s adjusting. It’s easier for Dan becuse he wasn’t just driving for 4+ years at the sharpest end of last era of F1 perhaps. Or the current car is more to his liking. I’m sure not before long the most successful driver on the grid, the only driver to ever go 3 WDCs in a row, and then 4WDC in a row after winning his first one will come good.

        I remind you that Vettel is 100% on WDC championship opportunity conversions, 80% if you want to factor in 2009 while Lewis is only 50% conversion, 33% if you want to factor in 2012 where he had an entirely fast car. I have to tell you, one of the all time funniest things I’ve seen in my years of watching F1 is Lewis not coming in for tires in China in 2007 and getting stuck in the gravel. That was sad, but somehow made me laugh really really hard. And then 2008, well, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. The first thing that came to mind is, this Lewis guy is simply unlucky and therefore he is not a closer. He’s good, but in F1 he can’t close the deal. And then we all know what happened.

        So for sake of Lewis and his many fans, I really hope that 2014 is the year when with this machine he closes the WDC out in a dominant fashion. For sake of his many many fans I’d hate to see this curse come back at him. 2007 he gravel parks, 2008 he barely gets bailed out, 2012 he starts DNFing…and 2014 there is still a lot to play out. I think this year will solidify in my mind at least if he does have some “unlucky” aspect haunting him. At least with Vettel I’m convinced he’s a closer. The boy almost pulled it out of thin air in 2010 and 2012. Anyone on this grid cannot say that in the past 4 years they have not seen enough examples from Vettel on “How to be a closer!”

      7. Sebee says:

        …also Kingszito, we should ask why is it so well documented on that Malaysian exmaple? Is it because it was unusual for this to be the case where Nico uses Lewis’ setup? It could be. We shouldn’t make assumptions either way without complete data. Notice I’m not saying this is a fact that Lewis is not good at data/setup, simply putting forward some info for discussion from someone who worked with both.

        Also note that we enjoy Kimi’s work, and he seems to be like that also. Just give him a car and he drives it. Wonder who uses who’s data in the red garage?

      8. C63 says:

        It was a point made by someone who worked with them both at the same time. I thought it was interesting and simply wanted to see……..

        A bit like Rosberg at Monaco, only you know the truth regarding your motive for posting that (somewhat obscure) article link.
        However, just like Rosberg at Monaco, a great many people suspect they are not being told the truth ;-)

      9. Sebee says:

        C63, you are posting things like Lauda or Toto said privately that Nico did it on purpose.

        It’s behind us. Nico won. If he did it, he sure as heck did it well. FIA didn’t punish and officially everyone is saying no fault.

        This is not a Lewis fan love-in Bromance blog. It’s F1 and everyone in F1 is fair game. Not everyone here has to be a Lewis fan. It was an interesting post, interesting view that’s why I brought it up. And some constructive points have been made by fans here about various MB Team dynamics. Including yours about fuel amounts which was interesting and more about this should be written and subject looked at closer.

      10. Wheels says:

        So, let’s wait a minute, here….

        Go back a few years, to the winter testing sessions (January/February) of Team McLaren leading into the 2007 season. A young rookie Lewis Hamilton tested the new car first before his teammate World Champion Fernando Alonso arrived at (I believe)Barcelona.

        McLaren set a target time, for young Lewis, and fairly quickly, Hamilton was just a few tenths off that challenge in his first F1 outing on track.

        After Alonso arrives and climbs in the car, he then blitzes that time, only for Lewis to push to within a few tenths of Fernando. Then, just a short period later, (days/weeks)Lewis comes on surprisingly strong, getting to within hundreds of a second of Alonso’s following testing times, that winter. Alonso knew then and there, he had a fight on his hands. Lewis was gonna be a pain in the gearbox!

        All of this, against the reigning F1 World Champion of 2006. The driver who ended Michael Schumacher’s decade long dominance….

        Now, tell me this–Was Nico Rosberg around, at that time, to set up Lewis’ car in that first test, or, for that matter, the rest of that astounding rookie season?

        Please, with all due respect (I raced karts for years) spare me the comments of Karting mechanic Dino Chiesa. This is Grand Prix racing, the pinnacle of motorsports, we’re following here…. LOL!

      11. C63 says:

        The original article (at the top of the page by JA) was examining the fallout from Monaco. It’s therefore reasonable to post comments relating to that incident – hence my post, linking to the report from a well respected journalist confirming what he had been told ,off the record, by senior Mercedes AMG personnel. Lewis has received a lot of criticism for his reaction, surely it’s only fair if we balance the books a little.
        I am well aware this is not a Lewis Bromance blog and of course everyone in F1 is fair game. If we all had the same opinion the world would be a very boring place indeed – talking about the races is half the fun – more than half, I would imagine, for Vettel and RBR fans as the races cannot be very enjoyable just now.
        Sebee, if you say that you posted the link in order to promote constructive discussion, then that’s good enough for me.

      12. Sebee says:

        Oh C63, why the dig man?

        I said it before, and I’ll say it again. I’ve had steak 4 years straight. While Lewis fans were starving. Would you rather I keep gorging or that I step back from the buffet for just a little bit let a Lewis fan get a cutlet? :-)

        You know, Lewis needs to win 4 in a row just to feed you like I’ve been fed.

    8. RichB says:

      their karting days were a long time ago, that guy knows no more than you or I about how it is now. nico looked at every bit of Hamilton’s data after he was beaten in china

    9. Mhilgtx says:

      Shouldn’t all set up data be shared evenly? What does that have to do with anything? Other than to prove they are much fairer at Merc than at Ferrari.

    10. KRB says:

      I guess that’s why Lewis was helping out with Nico’s issues with race starts in Barcelona testing?

      Any team nowadays shares data between its drivers.

      Hamilton made some ill-advised comments leading up to Monaco, and during the weekend. The whole ‘hunger’ story, etc.

      They all might be true, but there’s nothing for Lewis to gain from saying them. In politics you never want the party leader doing the dirty work … you get an associate to be the attack dog. Maybe Lewis needs an attack dog of his own. We had Hakkinen coming out saying Lewis was a sore loser. What’s not said is that Mika is close to the Rosbergs (Keke managed him, he’s known Nico nearly his whole life, and wants Keke to help out his son Hugo in racing).

      Lewis just needs to zip it, and just do the business on the track. His greatest and most enduring asset is his speed, speed, speed. In F1 speed means never having to say sorry.

      If Lewis starts another winning run, then it’s basically ‘your move Nico’, and he’ll likely have to do something off-track to shake things up.

      1. C63 says:

        I agree wholeheartedly with ŷour post. Nico is trying to hold back a tidal wave, he knows he is the slower driver and the only option he has, is to do something different – like Monaco.
        Not sure if you read Mark Hughes blog – he was saying that of Wolff and Lauda at least one of them told him (off the record) they believed Nico had his off on purpose.

      2. Nathan Jones says:

        Firstly, do you have a link? I craving a bit of granularity on which famous face believes he cheated. (And who has hinted he cheated)

        Second, what was he doing reporting it if it was said to him off the record?

      3. C63 says:

        @Nathan Jones
        here is the link:
        MH makes the statement in a response to one of the comments on his article – about half way down the page 27.5.14 at 09.45.

        As for your second question – I am afraid I have no idea why he reported an off the record remark. You could ask him, I guess, as he allows comments/answers on his blog.

      4. Nathan Jones says:

        Thanks for that, C63. Just backs up what most sensible people have cottoned on to: the cat didn’t appear to be spearing into the wall at lightning speed, and the wheel was being turned back and forth in a ridiculous fashion, the stewards appeared to be total duds here by not requesting all the data and basing part of their decision in Nico’s personality (????) – but the absolute pearl was that even Mercedes SENIOR MANAGEMENT are suspecting skullduggery. Ha!

        On a seperate note, I ain’t ever going to that site again! Seems the vast majority of posters are obsessed with Hamilton’s personality (“spit the dummy” is the only cliche they can come up with), and none of them give a sh#t about anything good about his driving (Bahrain race craft? One lap pace? Overtaking?). Horrible place. Nasty bunch.

    11. SaScha says:

      What about Toto wolff has given Nico a big dossier how to copy Lewis driving style after Malaysia
      Rosberg took over Lewis set up at Spain
      And Hamilton had to spent 1/2 day of testing at Barcelona in Nicos car to sort out Rosbergs difficulties with the clutch settings at the start?

    12. Martin says:

      All drivers are going to be ‘using’ their team mates data as the practice laps are limited so the two cars run different programs. Clear feedback is the most important thing. In 2012 that was a problem for Button due to an undisclosed system that was on the McLaren for a while.

    13. wezza says:

      In 2011 McLaren’s technical director Paddy Lowe explains further: “We see from the data that Lewis [Hamilton] is fantastic at controlling oversteer. He can have massive levels of steering correction – to the extent that other drivers would be bitching like hell that the car was undrivable – and Lewis won’t even mention it. With a driver like that, you’re better equipped to push the boundaries to new levels.

      “A lot of the performance limit of a car is set by stability; if your driver can’t hang on to it, you have to introduce understeer in that zone. If you have a driver better able to deal with oversteer in zones that induce it, you’ll have a less understeery car elsewhere and therefore more total grip over the whole lap. The great drivers – Ayrton Senna, Nigel Mansell, Michael Schumacher – all had that ability. Like-for-like, compared with other drivers, they wanted more front end.”

  5. Richardd says:

    One moment they are ‘friends’ and the next moment they are not. This is not the first time he’s made that remark

    1. Doug SA says:

      Quick…Lets lock him up!!! Evil man

    2. Trent says:

      Hamilton might like to think of himself as being like Senna, but I think there’s more than a few parellels between himself and Nigel Mansell.

      Mansell wanted to be the underdog with the world against him, loved by the people. But most found a way to admire his incredible skill in spite of his personality, not because of it.

      1. Wheels says:

        Sorry, man….

        Nigel Mansell’s F1 career, in no way, reflects that of Lewis Hamilton’s, other than World Championships. On a sheer talent level, Nigel struggled for years to be truly competitive beyond mid-field, for at lest 4 or 5 seasons (if I can remember correctly).

        In fact, the top team principles were beginning to write Mansell off, until Frank Williams came along. Taking what was considered by all in F1, at that time, to be a calculated gamble, Williams stepped up and gave Mansell his big F1 break with a, truly, fast car….

        For instance, after crashing out of the lead at Monaco in the early 80′s while driving a Lotus, (don’t remember what year exactly–maybe ’82) Team Manager Peter Warr made the comment–”Nigel, simply ran out of, what must seriously be considered as his very limited talent….” Or at least something to that effect.

        Nope, in contrast, Lewis hit F1 with a “big bang” which hasn’t resided to this day, much in the same way Arton Senna did…. Neither man never missing a beat during their respective careers, with Hamilton currently peaking in his Grand Prix era….

      2. Samir says:

        Great comments! I think there is truth in what both of you mentioned. Hamilton like Senna or Schumacher was the real deal the moment he sat in an F1 car. Yet the element of insecurity in their personalities is something that Mansell and Lewis share. Plus tons of misfortune…which neither of you mention. I also have inferred that Mansell is a fan of Lewis. No doubt the two great British drivers since Stewart, no disrespect to Hunt, Hill or Button. Peter Warr was off target in his comments…true Nigel has had his share of errors like Monaco ’84, but just watch Hungary ’89, or THAT move on the outside of the Peraltada in ’90. He definitely caused people to revise their view on Nelson Piquet’s credentials as the best F1 driver in the world (Piquet’s Imola accident notwithstanding)

  6. Gaz Boy says:

    I’ve always thought this whole idea of team-mates being best buddies is a bit dubious, because in theory they have equal cars/engines/opportunities……………in theory, but as Lewis found out in Monaco, the best laid plans on paper don’t always cognate with reality.
    As long as two team-mates respect each other, and don’t take each other out (yes Sebastian, remember when you biffed Mark a la Turkey?) then healthy competition is good competition………thing is though, there are many facets of the inner workings of an F1 team that us spectators don’t know about. I think at the tail end of his career with Macca-Honda, Prost was complaining about his engines being down on power compared to Senna, and such like can cause understandable paranoia and tetchyness………….
    Still as long as Merc F1 supply equal cars/engines/opportunities between their two drivers I think the key component of divisiveness is more emotional than technical, and an F1 driver should, as Jackie Stewart and Alain Prost have said over the years, banish all emotions from their preparation and driving. But can Rosberg Junior and Lewis do that?

    1. M Wishart says:

      It is plain and simple.

      Every person is friends with there team mates in F1 until you get to the top of the grid then the gloves come off….

      You both help each other to get to the top and are all pals and slapping each others back, but once there you have to go the extra mile and stand all over your team mate to become number one, thats when your real personality comes out.

      Look what happened with Lewis in 07, i.e. Alonso was having none of it, but this time around Lewis is older and wiser and is watching his words very carefully.

      But we are in for a cracking 2 horse race this year.

      1. Equin0x says:

        Cracking 2 horse race? Whilst the rest of the grid basically have their hands tied behind their back? An very ordinary average driver against a overrated driver with the mental age of 12? Yeah sure its a cracking championship battle.

      2. C63 says:

        How do you conclude the rest of the grid has their hands tied behind their back? All the teams were advised of the new regulations at the same time, and all have had the same opportunity to prepare. Clearly, some teams have done a better job than others. But, no one has had their hands tied behind their back.

      3. flesh says:

        If you feel that strongly we can safely assume you will not be following f1 this year. or are you been overly critical just to solicit some kind of reaction?

      4. Vettel who says:

        Your just upset cos seb is getting trounced by new ausie boy, 4 titles was mostly the car

      5. aezy_doc says:

        Better a 2 horse race than the 1 horse gallop of last season.

      6. Tealeaf says:

        To be fair Vettel has had torrid reliability and 4 out of 6 quali sessions he’s had car issues and also in the races too, Ricciardo hasn’t shown anything to suggest he can take the fight to Brackley like Vettel did in 2009 and at Mercedes? Well I haven’t seen domination like this since the 1988 and 1992 season and it probably surpasses them 2 seasons too, as I’ve said Hamilton will have too much for a poor driver like Rosberg but old Lulu can also lose the plot just for the sakes of the fan club I hope he doesn’t or the mass F1 slating will begin.

      7. rider says:

        The ordinary average driver would give Alonso and Vettel a run for there money and the overrated one actually beat the Spaniard who is recalled by many as one of the best in this sport.

    2. james encore says:

      Nigel Mansell insisted that was true with Piquet. Got in Piquet’s car on one occasion and went 3 seconds faster. Brazil was a key market for Honda.

      Lewis’s public (and radio – which is as good as public) comments in Monaco were clumsy from a PR point of view. But I still wonder if the whole thing is being played either by a press desperate for an angle, or Mercedes PR wanting to keep being written about. They’ve known each other for ages. They get on OK off track, but desperately want to beat each other on it. Of course they’re going to have the odd row from time to time.

      1. C63 says:

        not sure about the Mansell/Piquet bit – you may well be right. But I suspect the second part of your post has more than a grain of truth.

      2. Gaz Boy says:

        You’re spot on about Our Nige and Honda. Was it the 1987 season………yes it was, just checked, that Nigel was becoming aware that his engine was down on power compared to his team-mate Lord Nelson.
        Nige had quite a few retirements engine related in 1987 that ultimately cost him the WDC, even accounting for his accident at Suzuka. In Monaco he was dominating when his wastegate broke, at Germany he was just behind leader Prost when his engine failed, and in Portugal Nigel was well placed when his electrics failed. OK, so he did crash into Senna at Spa, and Williams cost him a dominant victory in Hungary when a wheelnut came loose, but wheelnuts falling off and having the odd crash are just normal motor sport retirements. However, mysterious engine/electric/turbo failures that seem to plague Our Nige in 1987 gives him good reason for being a bit suspicious…………
        Ah, rumour, innuendo and espionage……where would F1 be without it!!!!

      3. flesh says:

        So are you implying that lewis has a problem in the respect Mercedes want nico to win the wdc and are aiding him whenever they can?

      4. marc says:

        Oh no now we just have to wait for the conspiricy artists to bring up set v’s problems now ;-)

      5. Gaz Boy says:

        RE Flesh: No.
        The issues with Our Nige and Professor Prost were about the engine supplier, not the team and chassis. As Merc build both chassis and engines, I don’t think there will be an issue regarding equality of equipment.
        Like I said, it’s more emotional between Lewis and Rosberg Junior, not technical.

      6. aveli says:

        all the drivers talk to their teams from start to finish and the fia choose to publish the most interesting radio traffic so you can conclude that hamilton’s radio traffic is the most interesting because it is the most published.

      7. james encore says:

        That’s the thing. Saying “I should have known you guys wouldn’t bring me in” (etc) is going to get picked up for broadcast. He should avoid being interesting. Or use a code of unbroadcastable foul language.

      8. aveli says:

        he will keep on being himself. you may have to find a solution for your problem.

    3. aveli says:

      none of the past f1 drivers are qualified to tell hamilton or any other f1 driver what to do. they had their chance and now it’s a new generation. they should do whatever they want within the law and enjoy their lives after all it’s their lives. i don’t understand why some ex drivers, journalists and posters cannot understand that these drivers own their lives and have the will to do as they please with their careers and property.

  7. Chapor says:

    Me and a buddy of mine, in 2011, decided that Mika Hakkinen should become Lewis’s manager. I reckon that, under Mika’s guidance, Lewis would have been even greater than he is now…

    1. M Wishart says:

      Very interesting point about Mika, and I think you would be quite right to say that.

      But Lewis decided to go down the showman’s route, i.e. management 21 or what ever it is called, which I am sure has helped him in the celebrity world, but some times you have to keep it simple.

      I am not a fan of Vettel, but hats off that he does his job then goes home. Where ever that is?

      On a final note, I really really hope that Daniel Ricciardo stays the same, please don’t change. Every time I see him or hear him being interviewed and he has that huge smile, I always say to him at the TV, please don’t change.

      Only time will tell with Daniel, but Vettel was a nice guy smiley and laughing until he got the chance to be a winner and then that all changed into who he has become.

      1. Wade Parmino says:

        It’s not so much that Vettel changed. It’s just that once he got successful and gained a position of respect and influence, he no longer needed to keep the polite, happy façade. I don’t think success changes people, it just allows them to drop many of their personality filters.

      2. flesh says:

        Success does not change people it reveals them!

      3. James Allen says:

        That is true of sport generally

      4. Joost says:

        Nicely spoken and much truth for every person: Personality Filters.

      5. Gaz Boy says:

        I maybe wrong, but Daniel reminds me of Jenson Button, not in his driving technique, but in his rounded, unflappable, mature and easy going personality combined with a mental capacity to compartmentalise his driving……..
        If Daniel is like Jenson personality wise, that’s a good thing – firstly, the ability to take disappointment on the chin and move on (always a crucial ability in a top drivers armoury), secondly a great ambassador for the sport and thirdly a steely mental resolve that never gives up. Think of Canada 3 years ago………Lazarus Jenson!


      6. aezy_doc says:

        I remember Jenson being lambasted for his playboy lifestyle too. It’s taken him many years to shake that tag and be considered as a ‘mature’ person.

      7. HulkenBerg says:

        It was more that Marko and Horner made a monster out of Seb. He was spoilt by management. He was Marko’s golden boy. Marko’s legacy. Marko’s ticket to maintaining his privilege role as DM’s right hand man.

        Now that there is another one of Marko’s creations in the stable, there is no more preferential treatment for Sebee. Dr Helmut has solidified his position so there is no need to favour one over the other.

      8. aveli says:

        none of the drivers can change, only your perception of them changes. all the change is in your head.

      9. M Wishart says:

        To “Aveli”, that is so wrong.

        So your telling me you haven’t changed ever, that the world hasn’t changed, that normal every day people never change and in some mad way its all in the head??

        Of course people change, everything changes. That is my life experience/lessons. Nothing stays the same, ever, things change and people change all the time. You will do something today which will make you change your mind tomorrow. FACT.

        So to put it in the context of Vettel, he was the golden boy, new to the sport and everything was cool, all was good in his world, he was happy and smiley and loving the fact that he was in F1 with no pressure, I remember someone off the TV saying that he is such a joy to be around, but then he changed and of course he was going to change because now he was in with a chance to win the title. The circumstances around him changed which changed his mental state. He was sat in a winning car and the expectation increased. Turkey 2010 anyone?

        To “Hulkenberg”, good point, which will be very interesting to see how this is played out at Red Bull. Will Vettel get to the point that he throws his toys out of the pram ala Alonso 2007 with what happened with Lewis??

      10. aveli says:

        @m wishart,
        i am not wrong at all. people simply learn from experience and don’t know how they would react to certain situations until they actually happen. for example you don’t know how you would react if you faced a wild bear without boundaries until you come face to face with one. that doesn’t mean you change or your character changes. rather you character is revealed with time. i believe the truth is most natural and nature is the most powerful.

      11. M Wishart says:

        WOW Really……..!!

        So this really is getting so far away from F1 its unbelievable.

        “People simply learn from experience” You say.

        Yes that is correct and from that experience whether it is a great big bear stood in front of you or a bus as you cross the street as it crosses your path you learn and change. It is part of being a human, it is why we don’t live in caves and also might fly around in cars some day.

        I am not the same person I was when I was 5, or 15 or 20 etc, I am having experiences every day of my life which in part changes me as a man, yes I am a certain character but to say that never changes is totally unbelievable.

        So everyone is the same character, the same person and no changes every happen in anyone life time, its just all in the head of another person watching???


        Getting it back to the point I was trying to make in the first place. Vettel came onto the scene and was a fresh wide eyed boy. He drove very well but was making mistakes as nearly everyone does when they encounter something new in life. He was happy go lucky trying to make a go of it, which he did a lot quicker than most, but he was not in a winning car as of yet, and as such the pressure was not there.

        When that opportunity arrived for him in a winning car the expectations became greater and he changed from the happy go lucky boy into a more serious contender, which like you say made his character surface more and as the years went on I am sure that changed from when he was driving a BMW or Torro Rosso car to who he is now.

        And finally now that he is having a rough time of it and the winning plate has been taken away from him for now, this experience will change him once again and it just might change his character and how he looks and views things differently in the future. It might make him more ruthless or it might calm him down but what ever happens, He will change as we all do.

        You are not the same person you where 5, 10 years ago.

        Wow, sorry James for the long reply.

      12. aveli says:

        @m wishart,
        every person’s is made from a set of dna molecules which have instructions for their characteristic features including their appearance and how they are likely to respond to external stimuli. those dna molecules do not change from the day you were conceived to the day you die. like it or not, this is a scientific fact.
        just because you say they will change doesn’t means they will change. i know they will not change because i am aware of this scientific fact. simply because someone displays a behaviour you haven’t seen them display doesn’t mean they have changed. they simply didn’t display those characteristics because they had not been exposed to those stimuli in the past.
        i hope you’re learning.

    2. aveli says:

      hamilton puts a great deal of thought into choosing teams and management, only the best will do for him. hakkinen would be of no use to hamilton as a manager. i remember hakkinen crying in the bushes because he was out of a race. no mental strength at all.

      1. Chapor says:

        Uhm… You mention that one time were Hakkinen lost his nerve etc. To accuse him of having no mental strength at all is a bit rich… How many times did Mika crack under pressure? Do tell…

        Try and search for his narrative on the Belgian GP in 2000. Read that, and then also the comments from people involved. Then please tell me about his mental strength one more time…

      2. aveli says:

        i saw hakkinen crying in the bushes because he was out of a race and hamilton knows hakkinen very well but didn’t chose him as his manager. these are facts, not my opinion.

      3. Chapor says:

        This is a response to your above answer.

        Fist of, we were discussing Hakkinen being Lewis’s manager as a purely hypothetical situation, and speculated on the effects that could have had on Lewis’s career. I am not saying that there was ever a real possibility of that ever happening. I brought it up, since it would have been an interesting topic to discuss.

        Now do me a favour and look up the word hypothetical.

        And please, there is way more to a driver than a singled out instance of him getting overwhelmed by his emotions.

        Good bye.
        Peace out.

      4. aveli says:

        @chapor, i have looked up the history of the this thread and noticed how it originated. appears as though you’re not happy to read my opposition to your idea that hamilton would’ve been greater than he is now under hakkinen’s guidance.i didn’t mean to offend you, my only intensions were to stimulate you to provide an enhance support of your notion. so please don’t be offended.

    3. Mike from Colombia says:

      Hakkenen owes to much to the Rosbergs to be an effective manager for Lewis.

      1. Chapor says:

        We spoke about it in 2011… A Lewis/Nico partnership was written in the stars back then…

        But I will bite, hypothetically speaking, what exactly would prevent Hakkinen to be an effective manager for Lewis? I am curious…

      2. aveli says:

        nothing will prevent hakkinen from managing hamilton but we all know how high hamilton sets his standards. he wants the best that is out there. the best management out there has prevented hakkinen from managing hamilton.

      3. Chapor says:

        @aveli, once again, you missed the point.

        The statement was that Hakkinen owes to much to the Rosbergs to be an effective manager to Lewis.

        I wanted some clarification on that.

  8. Sebee says:

    Did you guys see Head’s comments on the engines?

    He says a team could have 800HP for 2M Euros a season. Meanwhile, they are paying more like 20M Euros now for “green” engines.

    So let me see, 2M and great sounding V8s that take 50kg of fuel more, or 18M Euros more for engines that save said 50kg of fuel, sound crap, and claim green through some batteries that probably required 8000kg of fuel to manufacture and ship – never mind that we still don’t know if each team uses a dozen or 50 of these batteries a season and likely takes 10 of them to each GP.

    Anyone care to play Maths with Sebee and inform us how much F1 fuel in L could be purchased for 18M Euros? And that’s PER TEAM! You can make an assumption that 1L of F1 fuel is worth 3L of regular pump fuel if you don’t know the value of F1 fuel.

    1. Sebee says:

      OMG! Is it millions of letters? :-)

      1. Sebee says:

        LITERS! Thanks voice recognition technology.

      2. Gaz Boy says:

        It’s not that Ferrari VRT system is it? Apparently the Mercedes VRT is faster and more efficient………..

      3. Gazza says:


        That’s just knowing how to spell technology :)

      4. TimW says:

        depends where your from gazza

      5. Sebee says:


        I think I’m dyslexic! Really.

        But you know what, the heck with this metric system. Let’s do the whole thing in gallons. And the heck with the euro, let’s do it in punds! So 14.6M GBP buys you how many gallons of F1 petrol? :-)

      6. Gaz Boy says:

        Sebee, I might be wrong, but I think in F1 fuel is weighed (in KG) rather than measured (litres in the UK/Europe/Australasia, gallons in North America) because weight isn’t affected by temperature where as measurement certainly is – apparently some naughty teams during the turbo 80s used to freeze-pack their fuel as they could pack more petrol during that fuel limited F1 era!

      7. aezy_doc says:

        Are punds the new German currency?

      8. Sebee says:

        Gaz Boy,

        Busted once again!
        I’m just making an entire mess of this darn Maths with Sebee assignment by not getting my units of measurement right.

        But the point is…it’s a lot of millions of gallons, or kilos or litres that you can buy yourself for 18M Euros. So back to Head’s point it’s a bit like paying 10 times the price for a hybrid car, when you would hardly spend 10 times the price of a petrol or diesel car on fuel over life of that car. Not to mention it takes more C02 in other forms during manufacturing of said hybrid car, so it’s simply front loaded CO2.

      9. Darrin from Canada says:

        Let’s just put them in “reasonably priced cars” and solve everything…

      10. Joost says:

        To my information Hamilton still leads by a pretty big margin in TopGear’s reasonably priced cars.

        Or did somebody already do the dirty work for him and set up his car for the TopGear track perfectly. ;-)

      11. Richard says:

        We did that already, Sebastian creamed it. Then Ruby. Then Lewis. Let’s not mention Button, I think he had one of his off days.

    2. OldIron says:

      No need to stop at the engine. They could use standard chassis (lets say Caterham, to make Tony Fernandes happy – perhaps a beefed up version, though still banning faffing around with aero) and make a fortune.

    3. Anil Parmar says:

      Bare in mind that if we didn’t move to these engines, Renault would have left and Merc would not have invested heavily either/would have left completely. And Honda wouldn’t have come back..

      1. chris green says:

        who cares if the manufacturers all got up and left. i’d welcome it. it’s because of the manufacturers that we got these stupid low revving , overly complex and incredibly expensive truck engines in the first place.
        when i see ‘in car’ footage and the constant short shifting it reminds me of my dad’s truck.
        there are any number of organisations outside the car manufacturers that could have delivered a good engine to f1 at much lower cost. if car manufacturers feel they need to develop hybrid engines for road cars that is their problem, not f1′s. hybrid development will only lead eventually to full electric.
        f1 has allowed itself to become entangled in problems that face the car industry.
        f1 fans need to realise that f1 is a racing series. what bothers me most about the car manufacturers in f1 is that when it no longer meets their needs they just walk away and don’t care a damn about the sport.
        it’s a lie that f1 has to be road car relevant.
        f1 did quite well before the manufacturers turned up as team owners.

      2. Voodoopunk says:

        That would have been preferable.

    4. Gaz Boy says:

      It’s true, it was on the BBC website where Patrick was interviewed.
      20 million Euros is UK £16.2 Million pounds folks! Hopefully – is that wishful thinking? – the cost of these engines, sorry power units, will decline once the technology has matured.
      Blimey, UK £16.2 million eh? Makes you realise that being a “works” team with free engines is very beneficial as a team can concentrate on chassis development and not worry where the money is coming from necessary for sending a big cheque every month addressed to either Brixworth, Modena or Paris.
      That’s a point, I assume engine payments are staggered, and if a team misses a monthly/quarterly payment I suspect the manufacturers could send the lawyers round at best, the bayliffs round at worst. “Where’s our money???????”

    5. Jonathan says:

      oh dear…

      Head is so far out of line he left Williams long ago. He can come out of retirement if they bring back active suspension.

      When the V8s were only a few months old they were breaking all the time. They wouldn’t have dared dream about making them last more than one race. The Merc unit couldn’t even last a long pit stop.

      The current units are a fantastic step forward. Some have already lasted several race weekends. F1 has always been about developing ground breaking technology in the public eye. No other industry does this. Maybe you would like to review your comments when the engines have been around for a couple of seasons. Battery technology is still improving rapidly. Having said that talking to a chap today they should be running liquid air motors rather than electric for energy harvesting.

      Personally I like the sound – they don’t scream but they sound like they have some grunt and give a good indication of what is happening. I love the fuel usage data – and that is an intriguing difference between Nico and Lewis. How does Lewis consistently use less fuel than Rosberg – does anyone have some accurate figures for how much fuel they started with in Monaco.

      1. chris green says:

        jonathon- re the current units are a fantastic.

        i think they are over priced, under powered, they don’t rev and are generally as boring as custard. f1 has allowed itself to be steered in a bad direction with these power units.

        i’m not buying the manufacturers rhetoric and propaganda.

    6. Marcin says:

      The engines are not changing.
      You’ve got to get over it.
      For your own happiness.

    7. aveli says:

      head is crazy! if everyone thought like him, we would never have gone to the moon and we would not enjoy the satellite communication technology we enjoy today. imagine if each bike, car, train or boat, on earth had hybrid engines, how efficiently would fuel be used.

  9. Adam says:

    He felt that he was [mod] upon (many others agreed with him) so why expect him to be happy James? It doesn’t matter whether Rosberg did [mod] or not, what matters is that Lewis thought that he did. Who would accept being [mod]? Certainly not a champion. What particularly annoys me about this whole story is that Senna used to crash into his rivals and enemies, as Martin Brundle said on Top Gear’s Senna tribute, “He would put you in a position where he knew you were going to make contact” and of course rammed Prost off at the first corner yet people say “he stood up for what he believed in”. Hamilton does a fraction of that and he’s being “petulant” and “a bad loser”.

    1. Voodoopunk says:

      Hamilton isn’t Senna.

      1. Mhilgtx says:

        And even Senna was petulant at times. Of course he was screwed over more than Hamilton is ever.

    2. Doug SA says:

      Webber standS up in front of the whole world during POST RACE interview and proceeds to accuse his team’s management of underhandedness and that the will”protect vettel as always”….He was very angry very sore and definitely sullen and quite unseemly yet….Nothing is said about that. To me that was virtually bring the sport into disrepute….while Hamilton so much as refuses to make eye contact and all hell breaks loose? F1 JUSTICE FOR YOU!!!!!

      1. Mhilgtx says:


      2. ReviLO says:

        Another valid point. I think I’m beginning to see a pattern emerge.

      3. super seven says:


        I thought Lewis was measured in his response to an act by Rosberg that was suspicious, to say the least. Other drivers have done far more in the past without being vilified in the same way as Lewis.

        I also don’t get the ‘Lewis doesn’t know how to set up a car’ argument. I’ve seen very little evidence of this, and if anything the major data flow in the Mercedes garage has gone the other way

      4. bmg says:

        What could they do or say when it was true, they are missing him at the moment.

        They say his strength was in the set up and development of the car.

      5. Poyta says:

        So true Doug – Any excuse to say something negative about Hamilton it seems.

    3. Joost says:

      Fully agree.

      I try to judge everything as independently as possible and always try to interpret stories by 2 perspectives, as there are always 2 sides on each stories.

      If everybody would give Hamilton the benefit of the doubt for his right intentions for the next couple of interviews, this would lead to a different perspective of him.

      He seems a nice guy and/but says anything that is on his sleeve (double read the and/but). And please don’t forget the position these guys are in. Imagine yourself having earned 100 million before your 30th year. :-)

      If people would document my simple life and take interviews on my “moments of heat” I most certainly would not be the most cerebral figure and if people were honest I think this will also be true for most of us.

      Pot calling the kettle black.

  10. Rob says:

    Hopefully, his minders are helping him control his inner demons. They can’t coach him between the inlap and the podium, but someone is talking sense to him between races, I wonder who that is. This is a once in a career opportunity – to be in the right car at the right time – so it really is 100% his to lose! He only has one competitor right now, he needs to pounce on this, because soon (second half? 2015?) the Bulls will be getting uncomfortably close…

    1. aveli says:

      hamilton has everything under control and he will do it his way.

    2. KRB says:

      I think Lewis would welcome the Bulls getting closer, so as to create gaps between him and Nico. It won’t be happening anytime soon, looks like.

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        Not on a bone dry Montreal track anyway, it’s a point and squirt track, so the superb torque curve of the Merc engine will be a huge advantage.
        Also Montreal is not a downforce track as there are no fast corners and running too much wing would compromise a car on the mega long back straight!
        I’ve just the weather in Quebec on the BBC website, and Friday is possibly wet, but the rest of the weekend should be warm and dry. However, that is “should be”………..
        However, there is a “threat” of a shower for Sunday…………

  11. Galapago555 says:

    It’s so strange to see Hamilton having trouble with a team mate…

    1. Doug SA says:

      You mean like Webber and Vettel….or wait maybe like a certain Mr prost and Mr senna….. No it cant be….Its only Hamilton

    2. KRB says:

      What sort of trouble are you saying? If you’re talking points, then of course the Australia DNF is the main differentiator. Without that, and even giving Rosberg the win in Australia, Lewis would be up by 14 pts.

      1. Galapago555 says:

        “If you’re talking points…”

        Nope, I’m not talking about points.


  12. Iwan says:


    Neither, it’s a PR exercise

  13. Steve says:

    Has Lewis (or any F1 driver) ever been happy to finish second?

    I’m not a Hamilton fan but I’d rather he says what he feels than give the short/one word PR savvy answers that underpinned some of his McLaren pen interviews.

    Either you want a passionate F1 driver or you don’t.

    1. Voodoopunk says:

      That would be good, but what do we get instead…

      1. aveli says:

        it’s all in your mind. follow the drivers who give you what you want and leave those who don’t give you what you want well alone!

      2. Frique says:

        An honest human being?

    2. Grant H says:

      Exactly yes nico is a bit more PR savy but this is all for show, in reality he is no different to Lewis, Lewis just wears his heart on his sleeve. I bet 90% of fans watching monaco qually instantly thought nico had possibly used dirty tricks, and then Lewis has the confidence to say what everyones thinking and gets slaughtered for it, who cares what happens on track counts 4-2 so far and the 2 wins for nico were due to the questionable monaco qually and oz retirement for ham

      1. KRB says:

        If the roles were reversed, how long do you think it would take an F1 reporter to ask a question to Lewis, and couch it by saying that questions hung over both his race wins?

        The F1 press all expect Lewis to win the title. That’s why they want it to remain close for as long as possible.

    3. NJ says:

      A good winner hates losing and would do everything to come out on top but would also never be angry over losing.

      1. KRB says:

        Lewis, from what I’ve seen, doesn’t really get angry about losing, when it’s been a straight fight. Disappointed of course, but not angry. What made him angry in Monaco of course was Saturday quali, and how pole set Nico up for the win.

      2. NJ says:

        I just think it’s a touch of lower class that drivers can “get mad” over Saturday now when the class of the 1990′s usually said: “Sure, he’s on pole, but there’s no points for Saturday.”

    4. Grant says:

      I guess people just don’t know what they want Lewis to do or say.

      Always ready to attack him regardless.

      1. Kingszito says:

        That’s true @Grant. I wonder! Is Lewis the only person who has had problem with a friend and later reconciled? He said they were no friends all hell broke loose, he said that they are friends all hell breaks loose. Is being honest a disadvantage these days? I think they are all judging/criticizing the wrong driver after Monaco, instead of questioning Nico’s integrity on what seems as a deliberate move, rather they are criticizing a driver who was wrongfully denied a shot to pole position by his main rival deliberately or not.

  14. Iwan says:

    What about the TV interview where when Hamilton is asked if they’re still friends he answers: My dog is my friend, my closest friends are my friends, my family are my friends. Nico…he’s my colleague. ”

    Something to that effect.

    Can’t go around changing your tune as it suits you. I prefer Nico’s more laid-back, quiet approach. He didn’t explode for the whole world to hear and see when Lewis used engine settings not permitted to stay ahead of Rosberg. Just quietly went about his business.

    This championship is Hamilton’s to lose.

    1. Kingszito says:

      Nico first used the engine setup in Bahrain. We didn’t hear about that either.

    2. TimW says:

      Iwan, If you had bothered to read the article you are commenting on, you would have learned that Nico used the banned engine map first in Bahrain. I assume you will use this opportunity to congratulate Lewis for his quiet laid back approach and not exploding for the whole world to hear about it.

      1. justin says:


      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @timW….perhaps you may be able to clarify the events as they unfolded in regard to the use of the ‘overtake’ mode.

        comments have been made as to the timing of this usage by the individuals insofar as rosberg used it in a passing situation whereas hamilton used it in a defence situation?

        i have absolutely no idea as to the truth of the matter but the actual usage surely would be open to different interpretations as far as unfair benefits are concerned.

      3. TimW says:

        the truth is Kenneth the engine mode in question is not to be used at any point in the race, it is for Q3 only.

      4. Kingszito says:

        The engine map was not allowed to be used without team instruction, it doesn’t matter for what reason it’s used. So Nico break the rule first in Bahrain and Hamilton followed suit in Spain. Both of them have been warned since then not to use it without team instruction.

      5. kenneth chapman says:

        @ kingszito & timW…the fact is though neither of you have answered my question. read my post again. the last line is, if you have an open mind, a perfectly valid point to raise.

      6. TimW says:

        Kenneth, your first point asking me to clarify the events as they unfolded is an un reasonable request as I do not work for Mercedes and have no access to the required data. Your final point (as far as I can make out) seems to be about whether or not it is more acceptable to use a prohibited engine mode in attack or defence. My opinion is that both are equally unacceptable. The team had told both drivers not to use the mode as it puts unnecessary strain on the power unit.

      7. kenneth chapman says:

        @timW….no i don’t think that it is an unreasonable request because without knowing the exact details it is pointless. there was one report which alluded to the fact that rosberg MAY have used it to clear a backmarker, which, whilst possibly in breach of team instructions, could be seen as less contentious.

        the use of the ‘overtake’ mode by hamilton was, i understand, used to defend an overtake by rosberg. there are two separate and distinct uses in question.

        without having the full details the apportioning of any blame is counter productive.

      8. TimW says:

        Kenneth, where did you see the report you mention? Would you care to post a link as I haven’t seen it, failing that just tell us which lap the incident occured and who he was trying to pass. If Rosberg did use the banned mode to clear a lapped car then this is still a violation of the teams request not to use it, and still put unnecessary strain on the power unit. I don’t really see the relevance of how the mode was used, if Nico wanted to clear a backmarker quickly then surely it was only because he didn’t want to lose time to Lewis, he was under no threat from behind. Either way, in an effort to beat his team mate he used an engine mode that he was told not to use and risked damging his car and a 1/2 result for the team.
        I feel we have got a little side tracked here, my original reply to Iwan was in reference to the disparity in reactions between Lewis doing something naughty and Nico doing the same thing, ie a tidal wave of abuse for Hamilton and nothing for Rosberg. I should also add that while I feel that it was equally unnacceptable for either Mercedes driver to ignore the teams wishes, I don’t think it constitutes a major violation, or requires any punishment from the team above a mild rebuke and being told not to be such naughty boys in the future.

      9. kenneth chapman says:

        @ timW….i cannot provide you with a link for the ‘comments’. they appeared on the ‘newsnow’ aggregate site and i cannot access that as i do not have a date or a time. if i could then i would.

        the reason i mentioned it was that it had evidently not been mentioned outside the garage as it was not deemed to have been anti competetive. at least, that was the inference. true or not, who knows?

        the second incident where hamilton used it would’ve been in clear breach of team orders if hamilton was briefed on the original usage by rosberg and rosberg’s alleged rap over the knuckles for using it in the first place.

        so the second usage by hamilton was what? payback? who knows? if so then make of it what you will. i doubt we will see it again but then…..

      10. TimW says:

        Like I said, my opinion on the subject is that both uses were equally out of order as the result was the same, increased engine wear that may well come back and bite them later in the season. I still also think that it wasn’t crime of the century and is just a case of boys being boys, I think if you gave any F1 driver a “magic button” that made the car go faster they would press it.
        My main point remains though, the huge discrepancy between reactions to Lewis doing something and Nico doing the same thing, I still don’t understand why that is, but for me this incident just proved that it is true beyond doubt.

  15. Mike from Colombia says:

    Wow. Nico has friends in high places.

    This article totally ignores the fact that the majority in the pitlane believed that Rosberg [mod], and essentially got away with this one.

    Mike Hakkinen’s position in this is compromised considered that he owes a lot to the Rosberg Family. He was sponsored and then managed by Keke Rosberg.

    Keke’s good mate, Derek Warwick went into this with a completely open mind by stating that Rosberg is the most honest driver out there. Highly objective statement from a steward.

    The media clearly dislikes Hamilton or just likes to bait him to sell stories. When Jenson retires, Hamilton should sign him up as his manager.

    1. NickH says:

      I know right! I can think of a few drivers who would be

      Literally the whole pit lane, ex-drivers, current world champion drivers, all of them came to the same conclusion pretty quickly after seeing the footage. Foul play.

      Even for me it is so obvious. He corrects the car without actually needing to because the back end of the car wasn’t coming round really anymore than normal. If he hadn’t made that extra correction he could easily have made the corner.

      Unbelievable he got away with it

      1. NickH says:

        *would be treated way worse by the media if they did the same thing.

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @ nick H….wow, even armchair critics know as much as all the luminaries combined.i am stunned that you could come to this conclusion and the leading steward couldn’t!

      3. NickH says:

        Almost all the ex drivers and current drivers have the same
        opinion. Are you stunned by them as well? This is no different to what Michael did. You don’t need telemetry just look at the footage, blatantly obvious

      4. Voodoopunk says:

        Wow indeed.

    2. danny almonte says:

      Rosberg did it on purpose. He went into that lap with the intention of causing a yellow flag without damaging his car. He completed his mission.

    3. Grant says:

      I don’t think Nico has friends in high places.

      He only got away this atrocity because he did it against Lewis.

      1. SaScha says:

        100% if Lewis didi . He would have been diqualified and banned from some races

      2. Mike from Colombia says:

        You know what…you’re right. Even Maldonado would have got away with this against Lewis.

    4. kenneth chapman says:

      @timW….. there is most likely more to this story than we are being told. for example, if rosberg used this mode first the team would’ve known about it and he would’ve been counseled not to use it again. i presume that hamilton knew all about it as it would’ve been hard to conceal! now, if this is the case then why, when hamilton used it in spain, was he told to apologise to rosberg? which he supposedly did.

      this is an odd situation which is why i presumed that the method and need for usage by rosberg was deemed to be different to hamilton’s use in spain. if both usages were identical why then didn’t the team insist that rosberg apologise to hamilton?

      think about it..

      1. timw says:

        I have thought about it Kenneth and simply can’t come up with any possible reason for Nico to use the mode in Bahrain, he was under no pressure from behind in the race and didn’t have any need to pass any car other than those being lapped. It seems to me the most likely explanation for Nico using the prohibited engine mode is in an attempt to pass Lewis. I don’t know who apologised to who,or what the team said to the drivers and neither do any of the posters on this and other sites who lambasted Lewis for “cheating” and didn’t do the same when it transpired that Nico had done the same thing. That was the main point I have been trying to make throughout.

  16. Scuderia McLaren says:

    I find the whole back flip disingenuous to say the least. What does he and his PR advisers take us for, idiots? So what is it now, Besties? Give is a break. LH’s Monaco rhetoric backfired and this is the clean up. Rosberg continues to land blows by default now. I haven’t seen NR send any tweets from the twaterverse reaffirming the friendship.

    Whilst I think LH is quicker around Canada (when he is mentally stable), the pressure is on LH more because of this perception. It’d be a severe blow if NR defeated LH in Canada. It wouldn’t be that severe the other way round would it? If I were NR, I’d acknowledge that and do everything possible in and out of the car to drive the disruption on Hamilton’s campaign home in Canada, then sit back and watch the fireworks.

    Expect a talkative and robust Nico media wise in Canada and a quiet and cautious Lewis.

    1. Dean Reynolds says:

      No bitterness in your posts I see. Hows life as a maclaren fan since disingenuous lewis left? How about focusing on the failing scuderia maclaren and their woeful drivers instead of having green eyed digs at mr Hamilton.

      1. Scuderia McLaren says:

        LH will be a quiet and reserved bunny in Montreal, I can assure you. I re-read my post and can’t see the bitterness, maybe it’s a cultural thing? I do think Lewis’s glib and delusional comments, over the Monaco weekend alone, are making him deliver disingenuous back flips like in the above article JA posted. We are not idiots.

        Nico is not suffering the same fate as he doesn’t seen to shoot his mouth off every ten seconds.

        Oh and I’m not a McLaren fan. It was a moniker I thought off a long time ago. An attempt at irony. Prior to RBR dominance, the two big teams were Scuderia Ferrari and McLaren Mercedes. I mixed the two, trying to show I don’t care who wins either way, that I have no favourite team. Anyway, I’m stuck with it now and you are stuck with me.

      2. Nathan Jones says:

        Poor us.

  17. Clyde says:

    James your statement that ” Hamilton clearly miffed that Rosberg had deliberately blocked his final run in qualifying and set himself up for the win ” seems to imply that Rosberg was guilty .
    correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure the stewards had more than enough data to sanction him if it was true

    Secondly Hamilton seems to suffer from a persecution complex he sparked off the 2007 row by disobeying team orders to let Alonso pass him, which put the two drivers out of sequence for their pit stops. When Alonsos team reacted by blocking him in the pit lane Lewis and his father threw their toys out of the pram and Alonso was demoted five places on the grid. This probably cost Mclaren the title.
    But now after 7 years in F1 you’d think he would have learned the art of being mature ……..sadly he’s repeating his mistakes of the past

    1. James Allen says:

      Not at all. Hamilton thought that, clearly

    2. ProbeIV says:

      I saw that BBC Blue Peter documentary around the time Lewis got the Mclaren F1 drive.

      He was a [mod] then and he still is- thinking he’s god’s gift to F1.

      Agreed that all folks at the very top of whatever their game is (business, sports, music, etc) are ruthless b*******, but Lewis’ behaviour ( intimating that he never does anything wrong, he is always right and fair) is is not classy at all.

      He needs a sports psychiatrist to work on his demons and constant craving for love and attention!

      1. Gazza says:

        Perhaps you can book him an appointment with yours. :)

      2. ProbeIV says:

        He’s currently with the England World Cup squad. So should available pretty soon… :-)

        But seriously, if Lewis could control his mind and harness all the energy that is being spent there in a positive, controlled way, he would be unstoppable. And indeed rise above all others…

      3. ProbeIV says:

        Like I said above, all top sportsmen are ruthless b*******…

        But the really smart ones have a game plan and pick their fights and have prepared for the outcome. Thus are ready to deal with it.

    3. Thompson says:

      Lol….. @Clyde

      Alonso’s “team” blocked Hamilton – well I’ve heard it all now.

  18. Alastair Purves says:

    Hamilton has decided? I think not! this is desperate PR spin designed to limit the damage inflicted on “the brand”. I wouldn’t pretend to be a fan of his, but I’m neither blind nor stupid, and can see Hamilton is a talented and fast driver. Here’s the thing though. Hamilton isn’t a youngster any more,he’s pushing 30. Immature hissy fits aren’t what a company like MB looks for from it’s representatives. How many more of these episodes will be tolerated before somebody decides the cost/benefit ratio no longer adds up?

    1. FADA says:

      The Benefits will always out weigh the costs in Lewis’ case. Take for example, in Australia, Malaysia and China. If there was no Lewis on pole, the Red bulls would have been on pole as Nico was unable to put that Merc where it deserved to be in a wet qualy session. Lewis is quick, probably the quickest and that is exactly what he is being paid to do.

      I wonder what you along with all other Hamilton detractors here would have done if put in the same situation he was in, at Monaco. Not any better and I’m pretty sure of that. Give him a break, he owes nothing to us, not even the entertainment he gifted fans with thus far.

    2. aveli says:

      mercedes went looking for him because they wanted the best of the best and they did all they could to secure his services.

      1. Gravity says:

        You know that Merc’s first preference was Seb & since they couldn’t get him they went for Lewis – just saying..

      2. aveli says:

        i don’t know that mercedes preferred vettel and couldn’t get him. i never read a report on that.

    3. aveli says:

      what is this inflicted damage you’re talking about? is it not all in your head?

  19. AlexD says:

    It matters not. Reliability will decide this year.

    1. Sebee says:

      Mental Reliability?

      1. TimW says:

        no Sebee he means the car reliability will decide, as in the only reason Nico is anywhere near Lewis is the fact that Hamilton’s car failed in Australia. Obviously Lewis has Nico covered for pace and racecraft but another mechanical retirement for Lewis could give Nico the championship.

      2. AlexD says:

        I do not know how you classify Engine failures such as the one Hamilton had in Australia…maybe it is mental for you, I am no expert

      3. Sebee says:

        Well, it is mental, in that it can break you. You don’t remember Mika crying in the forest?

        Lewis responded nicely with a run of 4 after his mechanical. But was he once again too rough with the toy in Oz, and thus it broke? :-)

      4. TimW says:

        yes thats right Sebee, he pushed too hard on the warm up lap and cracked a spark plug!

      5. Thompson says:

        Why does everybody fear for another dnf for Hamilton?

        No one ever suggest it could happen to Nico.

        Wonder how many feel if Nico breaks down Hamilton will not finish the race…… If so what is really being said here.

      6. Breton says:


        Still banging on about Ham breaking his car.

        It was a lead that came lose nothing to do with drivinstyle!!

    2. KRB says:

      Gawd I hope not. That would be horrible. If it’s only one extra DNF either way, that’s fine. Two or more, that will likely be too much to come back from this year. In a season like this that would likely amount to a 50 point hole to make up.

  20. goferet says:

    For sure this was a correct step by Lewis to patch things up with Rosberg for the drivers have enough worries as it is and don’t need another problem worrying about their teammate.

    Yes, Lewis pulled off this strategy coup in the past when he hugged it out with Massa for it’s always better to have an extra mate in the paddock than an extra foe.

    Now the Mercedes lads have a good possibility of making their truce last for as Rosberg said in Monaco, they always sit down and sort things out.

    However, the most important fact that can keep the pair together is fair treatment from the team and also the fact Lewis seems to have the edge on Rosberg.

    So as long as Lewis keeps beating his teammate (as in previous racing categories) the friendship will survive all tests.


    Maybe other teams should take a leaf out of Mercedes book by hiring people that actually get along for you know when push comes to shove, at least the team will still score points.

    1. Gaz Boy says:

      Agree, but remember Goferet it’s a long, long season yet………..plenty of opportunities for Lewis and Ros Junior to biff one another!!!!!
      I mean, team-mates having a nice chat with one another doesn’t happen nowadays does it? I mean Turkey 2010, Austria 1999, Argentina 1997 and Canada 2011 were all just mirages!

      1. goferet says:

        @ Gaz Boy

        True, it’s a long season but as long as the teammates keep the dirty tricks off the track, I believe they will see out the season amicably.

    2. Gaz Boy says:

      By the way, I just noticed something.
      Canada is next on the F1 list, and James has commented on this forum that Lewis is a Montreal master. Agree, but have you noticed a possible pattern?
      In Montreal 2008 Lewis had a magnetic attraction to Kimi’s gearbox and rear axle, while in 2011 Lewis headbutted into Jenson and the pit-wall.
      2008, 2011……….is 2014 another Lewis smash-up by the power of every 3 years????

      1. goferet says:

        @ Gaz Boy

        Oh yes, just like Kimi at Spa, Lewis has had an love/hate relationship with Montreal for he has either won it or DNF-ed.

        But for the first time in 2013 he managed to score points without winning it so I think the spell was broken.

  21. Elie says:

    Elastoplast. The next on track drama and they’le be at it again.

    Lewis does not know how to be a man. Even if Nico did something wrong he should not have bagged his “friend” so publically before resolving it with him. He made no attempt to even ask after quali!!- He now does a complete about face and expects us to believe him– I dont – does anyone ??. Sutil was right about Hamilton turning his back on him when he said he would stick up for him during the Lux incident -Sutil was certainly at fault in the affair but Lewis apparently gave his word and then reneged. A man without his word is not a man. [mod]

    1. Tealeaf says:

      [mod] you can’t blame him for feeding off his instincts and its them very instincts thats making him panic about the threat Rosberg is for this 2 car Formula Mercedes championship, Hamilton has probably ticked off everyone on the grid and people in the past as well like Schumi and Webber who both would block him at every given chance like Monaco quali 2007 or the Monza 2011 race where Schumi blocks Hamilton for half the race but lets Button through at the first given chance, classic… but anyway the point is Hamilton is not racing to make friends in fact I can confidently make a guess that he doesn’t have ONE true friend but when he wins Montreal and regains momentum everything will be forgotten I can say this now this year’s championship goes to… Lewis Hamilton, hope the fan club enjoys nothing else matters.

      1. Doug SA says:

        Sorry to burst your little bubble, but the last time I checked F1 was for car racing and not a popularity contest.I am not sure Lewis goes home thinking damn, Alonso doesnt like me, or crikes Vettel didnt smile at me. Seriously dude, these are professionals we dealing with here, out for one thing and one thing alone, and thats the success of numero uno!!!!

      2. SilverArrow says:

        I don’t know about that… There was that whole “Jenson deleted me from Twitter” thing.

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      @elie…derek warwick got it in one.

      1. Elie says:

        Yep, I agree I never once believed anything deliberate from Nico in the incident. Should ve clarified that above

    3. Elie says:

      Of course noone is there to make friends and Lewis will probably win the WDC, but he just shows he is very immature and lacking credibility when it comes to what he says & Im afraid thats not going to change regardless of whether he wins or not

      1. aveli says:

        hamilton is in f1 to drive the car as fast as possible to win races as well as championships. he’s not there to say the right things so if I know he doesn’t say the right things, I will never listen to or comment about anything he says.

    4. aveli says:

      the most published spoken words on f1 sites are hamilton’s; he doesn’t lack a word.

  22. Pkara says:

    Definitely a Band Aid by Mercedes.
    Lewis is in the right
    & Nico is the one who cheated.
    Sky F1 show last Saturday did a straw pole with the audience & Lewis won with only a handful of Nico lovers.
    I hope Nico doesn’t straddle the first turn in Canada again. As its his only hope to start in front. I hope he gets beaten by a Bottas or Riccardo or Alonso in Q3.
    Lewis for Pole. Come on England :-)

    1. Voodoopunk says:

      “Sky F1 show last Saturday did a straw pole with the audience & Lewis won with only a handful of Nico lovers.”

      Wow, what a surprise.

      1. Pkara says:

        Dam Straight :-)
        Lewis won..then again it is a British Prog.
        Enough there to stick pins in Voodoo man :-D

    2. Gaz Boy says:

      Come on England – I like the optimism, even if its misplaced for a certain tournament in Brazil! Let’s face it, the Three Lions don’t have the structure, technical ability or mental capacity to win a World Championship. Not compared to Spain or Brazil anyhow, even possibly the Germans. And I say that as an Inglese, albeit a realistic and somewhat defeatist one (“And England have crashed out on penalties…………again.”)
      Perhaps Lewis and Jenson can give the Three Lions advice on coping in a high intensity very humid tropical conditions eh?
      Still, at least two Englishmen (in 2008/2009) have won a world championship in Brazil!

    3. David in Sydney says:

      I’m sure a poll in GER would throw up a different view of the world.

  23. JohnBt says:

    Quite a big piece of Elastoplast. It’s very obvious, less said is better.

  24. TRS says:

    Oh! Can we take them to one side and remind them that this is sport and entertainment?
    It is not war.

  25. Doug SA says:

    AMAZING!!! Rosberg blatantly chea…..uummh since we not allowed to say it……makes a mistake and its now ALL Lewis’ fault. Not even a word to indicate that even though it was a supposed “mistake” its not really desirable nor ideal that someone should benefit from such circumstances. At this rate Rosberg could take a knife to Lewis’ tyres and the boy will still be expected to grin and fawn at him on the podium. Unbelieavable F1′s sense of justice !!!!!!

    1. FADA says:

      I myself am just as confused as you are.

    2. Grant says:

      Many wanted to ignore illegitimacy of Roseberg’s win, and are angry with Lewis because he wouldn’t let them.

      Couldn’t we all have just pretended that nothing wrong had happened?

    3. Joe B says:

      Yep, pretty nuts how it’s all played out. I said last weekend that I was worried about Hamilton’s mental state but the longer it’s gone on, and the more it’s seemed like Rosberg did (censored), the more I’ve softened my stance. Amazing how he can’t win with some people.

  26. NickH says:

    Drivers that moan and groan (in fact Most of them, I like Lewis but his antics are boring now) need to take a leaf out of Kimi’s book and just get on with it, don’t cry like babies. There is no point getting involved in a big feud and believing all the world is against you, like Lewis does when it’s not going his way. It doesn’t get you anywhere. Just do the talking on the track.

    At the same time, who cares if they’re not friends!? I don’t. Why on earth should they be friends?! It’s F1 not a coffee morning. I don’t understand why the media are making a big story out of this (well actually I do because most of content the media spew out is drivel). No doubt it will rumble on like an amateur soap opera all season.

    It seems after every race Mercedes have to announce ‘the drivers have patched things up’ and ‘we’ve had a chat’.

    1. D Vega says:

      Why? Because pages need to be filled and there ‘s no other topic to discuss. All of the other teams are too far away to liven up the races so we are only left w/ Nico vs Ham. Also, if the topic is such, “drivel,” then why are you reading and commenting about it? Do you like drivel?

    2. Grant says:

      It sounds like you’re moaning and graoning Sir.

      Oh the irony!

  27. Doug SA says:

    And even more depressing about this so called rivalry is how the F1 media forgets to mention that the only reason they is still any semblance of a rivalry to talk about is because of a certain DNF in Australia. I mean seriously lets say the championship was declared tomorrow with Rosberg leading as he is…..How embarrassing would that be???? 4 wins to 1 DNF and 1 Questionable qualifying session and pple call it a rivalry???????

    1. Grant says:

      Good point Doug.
      The British media would gladly like to forget that point.

  28. Urko says:

    Did maybe last year in Malaysia Webber congratulate Vettel for the win??? And btw he was beaten fair & square. So why should Hamilton behave any differently. Even more so, cos he was robbed for win by Rosberg’s conduct regardless of whether it was intentional or accidental.

    1. Doug SA says:

      +1000 The double standards are quite amazing.
      Its ok for Webber to be upset and complain loudly and in front of the world’s cameras about “Multi 21″ then go onto the podium and allerge, on the microphone during the interview in a very sarcastic and very loud tone “he will be protected as usual” but Hamilton so much as does not only smile and fawn at someone who he perceives to have…….and all hell breaks loose. Persecution complex, childish, man up, rude blah blah blah….I mean seriously?????????????????

      1. IgMi says:

        It is relatively easy to justify one own behavior by using examples of somebody else’s behavior from the past. If one did something, the chances us somebody already did it before. That however, is not a justification for one’s own actions.

        I would think we should all reach for somewhat higher standards than the lowest common denominator of human behavior (which could be quite low, depending on how you look at it, to be honest).

        Instead of looking for bad examples, let’s rather use good and inspiring ones to build upon and to use as our own moral references.

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @ doug SA…..webber simply stated the truth. do you think that suppression of blatant [mod] by vettel is all okey dokey. remember vettel did state ‘mia culpa’ until he mysteriously recanted seven days later!

      3. Deeno says:

        Lewis simply stated the truth….

    2. Matthew Cheshire says:

      Well, No.

      Webber was not beaten fairly. He won the race to the last stop as per team orders they both agreed to. There is no way it can be claimed Webber definitely could not have defended his position if he had his engine settings the same as Vettel.

      Vettel broke an agreement and gained the win because Webber trusted his word.

      Only Nico knows if he [mod]. The stewards could not tell, even with all of the data availible. There is no way that Lewis knows either way. He could be wrong but he’s willing to call Nico a cheat anyway.

      If Nico did intend to stop, its almost genius gamesmanship. Very high risk. Almost like the teams working the design rules..Just a bit too far. And he used his squeeky clean image. An asset Lewis has neglected to earn.

      But Vettel Lied.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ matthew cheshire… comforting to know that there is at least one more poster who understands what vettel did in malaysia.

      2. NickH says:

        ‘It is almost genius gamesmanship’

        Either that or it’s extremely bad sportsmanship and a tad desperate

      3. Matthew Cheshire says:

        Its definitely very desperate either way. If Rosberg was found out, it was back of the grid. Bad sportsmanship maybe, interesting from this side of the TV? Definitely.

        I have my fingers crossed they take each other out and Ricciardo gets his first win.

      4. Joost says:

        To do something intentionally and to prove somebody did that intentionally is not the same.

        There is always room for interpretation.

    3. cee says:

      So your problem is because Rosberg made a mistake in qualifying which is backed by the stewards, robbed Hamilton of a fair shot on race day?

      You guys talk a lot about double standards but pay no attention to countless times yellow flags have prevented other drivers getting into q2 and q3 and no one has a sook.

      No problem with Hamilton being upset he didnt get another shot but he and everyone else in q3 had ample time to put sectors together and get that pole.

      Also your comparison of webber and vettel is extremely different, both were given a team order during the race and Vettel ignored it, fair play.
      Where as Rosberg made his mistake in qualifying and Hamilton had race day to beat him.

      Hamilton just needs to figure out if they’re going to be friends or not.

      1. NickH says:

        Would be true if it was a mistake and not a blatantly obvious park on the circuit

    4. Breton says:

      He was not beaten fair and square!

      Webber was expecting his team mate to obey team orders and was mentally at a dissadvantage when he realised what Vettel was doing.

      Vettel has no class and is being shown up by his team mate big time!

  29. Franco says:

    We all know that Hamilton wears his heart on his sleeve but these latest comments seem to be PR lead to stop any possible escalation in their rivalary.

  30. Rod says:

    “…but mastering himself is as important as mastering Rosberg.”


  31. IgMi says:

    “Our character is what we do when we think no one is looking.”

    The staged statements are made toward building a character we want other people to think of us when they are looking. Those, together with other public statements create a public perception of a character.

    I dare to say that those two characters are never in sync. The question is always how far from eac other are those two personalities.

    For me, the latest Hamilton’s public and staged behavior and statements do not positively shape my perception of his character.

    I do hope that the latest statements come from his on reflection on himself rather than from his management team. He is still young and has room to grow both professionally and personally. I hope he would not waste it.

  32. shri says:

    The bottom line is both drivers desperately want to win. That is why all this challenges. An absolutely predicable situation.

  33. shri says:

    I am just looking at facts for 2014 for 6 races:

    - 5 races head to head challenges : Lewis 4 win and Rosberg 1 win (Most races were close but still)
    - 1 Race win for Rosberg when Lewis DNF
    - Points lead for Rosberg a meagre 4 points – primarily due to Lewis DNF

    Rosberg should be really worried.

    1. David in Sydney says:

      It’s HAM’s year, no doubt, but it’ll be fascinating to watch ROS as he tries to maintain his Championship lead.

    2. Matthew Cheshire says:

      Rosberg might not be worrying, rather acting to fix it. In how many of the recent races has Lewis sounded rattled in the final stages, even when he was winning? All of them?

      Is Rosberg playing mind games- he’s doing it well, even if he isn’t trying.

      Its not a factor you can count, but which driver is most likely to blow a fuse and ruin some races?

      1. Thompson says:

        @ Mathew Cheshire


        The mind games are one thing but when you start to make ‘mistakes’ to gain an advantage one has to question ones mindset.

        The engine mode, the ‘mistake’, Rosberg is getting pretty desperate – most don’t appear to seem to notice this, but it’s only a matter of time the microscope will zoom in on Rosberg.

        Has he ever beaten Hamilton in the various categories……

        Pressure is building – watch his body language

        Remember no o
        ne believed Schumacher would deliberately crash into Hill, we all saw it and we all new, not even Hill believed it, but now……..

        That was Michael’s first dubious act.

      2. Matthew Cheshire says:

        True. There will be more “mistakes” and they will probably look more deliberate.I’m thinking the pressure on Rosberg is close to maximum already. The next couple of races should seal it for Hamilton and this must be Rosberg’s best shot at a championship.

        Rattling Hamilton is his only way to get the upper hand. That should be clear to Rosberg and he’ll be playing that to the hilt, if he hasn’t been already.

  34. erik says:

    Why media has concentrated so much to this totally irrelevant topic about their relationships. It feels like desperate attempt to make things interesting and exciting.

    It looks like a playwoman in 40s trying to hide her odometer, forgetting the visible bodywork.

    I actually was waiting for something about Red Bull and Renault relationship. They conquered f1 last 4,5 years and very fast it turned publicly all about business and costs.
    Last year Renault wanted to get some recognition about their sporting achievements.
    What changed?

    Or did Renault get paid for their input like agreements said and they went a little bit cocky requiring some recognition what was ment for Red Bull by their agreements.

    I don`t believe that Red Bull forget Renault help accomplishing success they had.

    It seems to me that focus is turning away from racing to more relevant topics that really influencing final results.

    Maybe it`s time to go with the flow and talk about relevant matters.

  35. Peter says:

    PR. Mercedes cant afford that the season would be about their conflict and not the brand winning everything.

    1. David in Sydney says:

      Mercedes can easily rise above this silliness by publicly letting their drivers race and to not take sides.

      ROS and HAM will do themselves a disservice if they continue this way while driving for what appears to be a fair and open racing team making Ferrari and Renault look second rate.

  36. Grant says:

    “Hamilton wanted to turn Monaco to his advantage, but instead he did the opposite: he came across as a bad loser”

    Wow! Let’s blame Lewis.

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      @ grant….good thinking. couldn’t agree more.

    2. me says:

      That’s not blaming him, but it pointing out the obvious fact, that he came across as a sore loser.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @ me…really? who would’ve thought that?

  37. Richard says:

    This whole thing is going in the wrong direction. Firstly I for one think that Nico knew that if the move did not come of then the best course of action would be to take the escape road and stick it in reverse. Cheating ?? I think so.
    The press , media love a good story and they are turning the situation into a whirlwind of controversy. If lewis spoke like Wolf or Lowe what a boring place F1 would be!

  38. Grant says:

    What dirty trick is Roseberg gonna come up with in Canada?

    He’s gonna have to dig deep into that bag, otherwise the better driver is just gonna win it again.

    1. Mike from Colombia says:

      He can be as blatant as he likes. He has friends that will make excuses for him.

      1. Grant says:

        And Lewis is gonna get blamed all over again.

      2. SilverArrow says:

        Jeez… You guys seem a little delusional.

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        @ grant…well that’s fair enough isn’t it?

  39. Malcolm says:

    Derick Warwick’s comment that Nico was the most honest driver on the grid, was absolutely absurd. What has he done conducted lie dectector tests on all drivers, in order to make that determination. I’m a huge Hamilton fan, and was totally disappointed with his unsportsman like conduct during the weekend at Monaco, but totally understood why he was pissed off with Rosberg’s celebratory actions at the conclusion of qualifying, especially since that yellow flag helped him to maintain his pole position, because Lewis was on a run to take that away. The wrath that was brought down on Hamilton was to be expected, something other drivers under the same circumstances wouldn’t have to face or endure. Lewis should have learned by now that there is another standard for him, so he just has to be careful on how he expresses himself, while other drivers don’t have that concern.

    e.g..During a podium press conference Ayrton Senna referred to Alan Prost as being a coward, and Nigel Mansell seeming in agreement tapped Senna on the back. I realize at the time there wasn’t any internet, but the outcry from motorsports journalists and fans seemed to be limited. Can you imagine the firestorm that would have been created, if Lewis would have ever referred to Nico as a coward? F1 websites worldwide would meltdowm.

    1. Matthew Cheshire says:

      Before the Monaco weekend, Lewis said that Nico didn’t have as much hunger for the WDC as he does. That’s pretty close.

      I’ll bet he doesn’t wheel out that one again.

      1. SaScha says:

        He never said that! You did not even read the interview, his words were differen

      2. aveli says:

        I thought hamilton said their hunger were different rather than he was hungrier than rosberg. i may be wrong.

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        @ aveli……same thing taken in context.

  40. TimW says:

    Lewis does the right thing and tries to draw a line under the whole Monaco mess….and gets slammed for it by all the Hamilton bashers! It is beyond amusing how vociferous certain posters on this blog are in their criticism of eveything Lewis does or says, the guy can do no right in the eyes of some.

    1. Grant H says:

      I know i find it funny too +100000

      I also find it amusing after 4 wins in a row the media is all full of praise, “lewis in his best form/attitude etc” and then one race later he says what everyone is thinking and gets completly bashed

      1. SilverArrow says:

        I don’t see any bashing. I see an accurate and neutral article, followed by a wall of fanatical comments, some of which even go as far as accusing the article of being biased!

  41. Methusalem says:

    The most depressing thing about the whole affair is that all those who cheated at a particular time, like Schumacher, Alonso and Rosberg get away with it — sort of, ‘bad is good: good is bad’. Why is that?

    1. Gaz Boy says:

      I don’t think Fernando was aware of the “crashgate” tactics employed by his team during Singapore 2008.
      At the FIA court Fernando was found not to be implicated in that awful charade. Fernando has protested his innocence and been exonerated of any complicity with the corruption of the race and result at Singapore by the FIA so I’ll respect the court’s decision and give Fernando the benefit of any doubt – not that I ever think he would agree to such a ghastly corruption of any race.

      1. Thompson says:

        @Gaz boy

        Lol……. Unbelievable, are you serious?

        I recall the post race footage…..

        Fernando was like a cat with the canaries tail feathers hanging out of the corner of his mouth, asking if anyone’s seen tweety.

      2. SilverArrow says:

        I remember the post race footage as well… Not sure it’s F1 you were watching if that’s your recollection of events.

        I think he even brought up the perfect timing of the pit stop to Flavio right in front of the cameras.

      3. Truth says:

        Really? Speechless!

    2. me says:

      Why do people so often exclude Senna when mentioning the [mod]?

      1. justafan says:

        Because Senna is a saint to many observers.

    3. aveli says:

      may be the decisions taken after each incident were taken by different people.

  42. Malcolm says:

    I meant to include this example in a previous post of mine, regarding Senna calling Prost a coward


    1. PaulD says:

      Pretty straight to the point from Senna – love it. Remember it well, that Prost walked back into the then dominant Williams with a veto on Senna (and initially Mansell) being his team mate.

      Williams were obviously getting Prost on the cheap as he didn’t have any other competitive options, but can’t remember why Mansell walked at the end of that season – money or Prost?

      1. justafan says:

        Both. Mansell was not happy with the fact Prost would be his team mate, but money was another factor in the deal. Later Frank offered Mansell more money, but at that point it was too late, Mansell had already signed in the states. To this day he’s the only one holding F1 and Cart titles at the same time.

  43. C63 says:

    “But then the affair blew up in Monaco, with Hamilton clearly miffed that Rosberg had deliberately blocked his final run in qualifying to take pole and set himself up for the win.”

    James – was that a Freudian slip or just a typo ?

    1. Gaz Boy says:

      RE C63: I don’t know if you saw my post on the previous topic about Sauber, but in answer to your question on Lotus in Cheshunt, Colin Chapman’s team were based on Delamore Road. The factory, a rather severe red-brick affair, was split into three (the road cars, Team Lotus and “Lotus Components” – the kit car side of the business).
      This may seem amazing today, but Lotus would allow, including even the world championship winning F1 cars, to be proudly parked outside the main office on full display to the passing pedestrians and drivers! Can’t imagine Red Bull or Merc doing that somehow………….

      1. C63 says:

        I know Delamare Road well – it’s where Tescos has their head office – two claims to fame for Cheshunt! However, I had no idea that Lotus was also based there – who would have thought it.
        Thanks for the reply :-)

      2. Gaz Boy says:

        The old factory could do with a bit of TLC to be honest, but yes, Hertfordshire has given the world a world championship driver and a world championship constructor!
        Most of the F1 teams are now based in “fuel injection valley” as I personally call it in Oxon/Bucks/Northamnts area, but Herts has played its part in terms of F1 constructors world championship success.
        Actually fuel injection valley sounds a bit of a mouthful. How about turbo valley? Much better!

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      @ C63….i too was of the opinion that this did not read well at all. surely it should have read something like ‘and set himself up for the win’, an opinion that was subsequently dismissed unanimously by the race stewards.’

      1. Truth says:

        Yes too true, and when Schumacher hit Hill to claim the title the stewards saw nothing wrong with that either, so clearly Schumacher did nothing wrong and the fans and ex drivers and pundits were all wrong in blaming Schumacher.
        The character of both Schumacher and Rosberg would have helped the stewards decide maybe.
        You say it was unanimous but some posts mention one/some of the stewards did not agree, has this been confirmed or not?

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        @ truth, sometimes there appears to be a certain level of ambiguity in decisions taken by the stewards. whilst sometimes i disagree with some decisions i am reminded that when the stewards review an incident not only do they have vastly more experience upon which to rely than i have but they also have evidence, that no one else has access to, to study in order to arrive at a conclusion. i will always defer to the stewards. i may not like it but they have the final say.

        the fact that hamilton claims to have evidence that totally negates the stewards decision is simply hot air and of no consequence,that is, until he makes that evidence available to the stewards and the public. the question may well be asked as to why was this evidence not available to the stewards in the first place? somewhere i smell a rodent.

        as for the stewards decision it was posted on many news sites that derek warwick publicly confirmed, ‘the decision was unanimous by all four stewards’. now that may be a made up media response but i very much doubt it. it is probably someone from hamilton’s side of the garage trying lend some credibilty to their driver’s assertions that he was dudded and the stewards decision was flaky! rather pathetic really.

  44. Richard says:

    Won’t last, both of them want the WDC too much to remain friends.

  45. Irish Con says:

    What I don’t understand is why merc have a engine mode that the drivers are not allowed to use? What’s that about like ?

    1. James Allen says:

      It’s for Quali 3 – maximum beans…

      1. Christopher Cathles says:

        James – beans? So that’s how the Merc engine achieves its explosive power. Of course! That explains the new sound of F1

      2. kenneth chapman says:

        hahaha beans are well known to create explosive power! did you ever see a film called ‘blazing saddles’ says it all

      3. NJ says:

        It’s like the Mushroom in MARIO KART 8!

      4. Poyta says:

        So why can’t the team disable this setting prior to the race if the boys can’t be trusted to play with their toys?

      5. AuraF1 says:

        Because of parc ferme conditions means no altering major settings – also there’s the chance red bull might one day catch up and they might need that engine mode to defend the year long 1-2 positions. They just aren’t allowed to use it against each other.

      6. KRB says:

        Ok, and wouldn’t Wolff and Lowe be able to see that they’re using it in the race, on the pitwall? I never understood that aspect of it. If they used it, get on the radio and tell them not to use it.

    2. Grant H says:

      Assume it hurts the engine being in that mode long time, when u only have 5 engines per season from a team perspective whats the point on using max power if you can win nursing the engine

    3. David in Sydney says:

      Perhaps it is the same as driving your road car at redline permanently – it’ll blow itself up or, at the very least, significantly reduce the life of the engine.

  46. Paige says:

    I think this was the wrong way for Lewis to handle the situation.

    The first thing he should have done was make a visit to Brackley like Vettel did last year after Malaysia and apologize for his conduct. The way he behaved after qualifying was a real distraction for the team. Even if he loses a race, he needs to appreciate the fact that he has been given an opportunity that most drivers in F1 never get: to drive a car that is miles ahead of the rest. He needs to behave as if he appreciates this opportunity, and one way of doing so is to not throw fire on a controversy that is a distraction for the team. Only after apologizing to the team and telling them how much he appreciates what they are doing for him should he have talked to Rosberg.

    Lewis still has some steps to take in maturing outside of the race car. He’s as good as a racing driver can be already, but mentally he has some steps to take.

    1. Grant H says:

      I dont think Lewis has to apologise, he is only saying what most people thought re qually. lewis always will wear his heart on his sleeve – he wants to win 110%

      I dont think nico deliberately caused yellow flags during monaco qually but I do think he over pushed knowing that if it went well he would do a faster second lap and if it failed lewis would be caught in the flag…a win win situation…nico admitted he was down on the second lap so for me it is obvious he put everything and more into that second lap, he did not need to care about the risk of failing

      Yes nico is a bit more PR savy but that is only to keep merc bosses happy do u think he is any different underneath

      The place to do the talking is on the track and bar the retirement in Oz this season is Lewis’s for the taking

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        would it not be possible for people to wean themselves off these most sickening and cheesy cliches. i think i’ll vomit if i hear one more’heart on sleeve’/’baby and bathwater’/’toys and pram’ comment. UGH and UGH again.

    2. Mike from Colombia says:

      Yeah. Rosberg actions have cast a dark shadow of accusations of [mod] on him….so Hamilton should apologise…makes perfect sense.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        how very true.

    3. David says:

      Look, I think it goes like this. Mercedes produced a hugely dominant car this year and they know it. Everyone does. Mercedes are also well aware that the fan/media response to Red Bull’s dominance over the previous few years hasn’t been that good. Vettel ended up being booed and criticized. Red Bull accused of favouring Vettel (and cheating over design elements). So Mercedes have been keen to emphasize the competition between their drivers to defuse the criticism from other teams and many fans that this year is dull, too easy for one team. But stoking rivalry between their drivers has a cost in terms of producing friction, which can produce animosity, cheating etc. which detracts from the team image. They want competition, want the Prost/Senna comparison, but then don’t want the aggro that comes with it. What annoys me is Hamilton picking up the tab, not Mercedes, and not Rosberg (guilty of being the first to use the barred engine setting, and probably going off deliberately in qualifying).

  47. Doug SA says:

    If you think that the gloves came off between Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg in Monaco then maybe it’s time for a LITTLE CONTEXT. With the Mercedes pair’s spat dominating headlines this past week, we take a look at some infamous rivalries of years gone by in F1…


  48. jmv says:

    Lewis needs to do a Kimi all season long.

    -Dont give journalists too much
    -Dont say a thing about your team mate
    -Say that “its the same for everybody”
    -Speak on the track (like the old Kimi)

    1. aveli says:

      they are two different people so they do things their way.

  49. Ahmed says:

    Th wound has already healed but so many are still crying over it.

  50. Johnny Higgs says:

    …..Beans !! The latest in F1 buzz words ! Works like a treat though !

  51. Mazirian says:

    One thing I find both interesting and overlooked is that Hamilton was convinced Rosberg had [mod] the moment he climbed out if the car. At that point Hamilton would have yet to see any replays or data. I don’t think he even saw him go off.

    Still, he was so convinced that Rosberg had cheated that he basically accused him in front of the entire world. For Hamilton, it must have been way beyond a suspicion. How could he be so convinced at that point?

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      yes maziran… a good point that has been overlooked. there is another site which will go un-named at the monet which normally posts the FIA released ‘pit to car’ radio transcripts. they usually post them within three days of the race completion.

      we are now some 10 days past race day and they have still not been released. why?

      maybe james can tell us more as he would be in a position to read them if they have been released!

    2. Davej says:

      For all you know Lewis knew all this from his engineer but maybe it wasn’t aired by FOM.

  52. David says:

    Disagree strongly with this assessment. Monaco didn;t show Rosberg is better at playing the media, it shows Mercedes management is downright weak. Rosberg very clearly ‘binned’ his car on purpose, knowing full well too that (a) the FIA stewards would find it very difficult to prove it was deliberate, and (b) Mercedes would back him rather than expose their own ‘squeaky clean’ driver as a cheat. A cynical one off, let’s be clear about that. He won’t get away with it again. As for the Mercedes and media reaction to Hamilton being annoyed, just appalling all the way, including this piece. Given most of the paddock agreed with Hamilton’s assessment, why should the most affected by the Rosberg cheating not express annoyance? It’s highly hypocritical of the media to criticize Hamilton for an angry reaction to a situation they were happy to stoke and exploit as news. Although the ethical standards of the media are just taken as rock bottom by everyone, including themselves, I guess.

    As John Watson put it in the only intelligent comment I’ve seen on this incident, Brawn would not have let any of this happen. Mercedes management is rudderless, concerned with image above substance, a phoney layer of team harmony above properly questioning what one of their drivers was doing on track at Monaco, not off it. Poor all round.

    1. AuraF1 says:

      He’s right, Ross Brawn would have just told Nico to drive around behind Lewis and let him win. Brawn is a Titan but I’m not sure where this legend of his commitment to total fair play came from. He’s a man who wins at any cost. That’s how he accumulated all those titles.

    2. Sturmovik says:

      John must be thinking of some other Ross Brawn, the one I remember from the days of Ferrari, Schumacher and Barrichello had all sorts of controversy going on between drivers as well as embarrassing moments that were the direct result of Brawn’s decisions.

      1. David says:

        Maybe, but the question is the present Mercedes team, last year rivalry was kept in check (and fairly evenly to answer AuraF1 above) but this year there are just too many mixed signals from Mercedes management. praising one of the drivers over the other, deliberately stirring comparisons with Prost/Senna – easily the most bitter and contentious rivalry in Formula 1 – and then complaining about ‘image damage’ because one of their drivers dared to fail to smile fakely when the team let the other get away with competing unfairly in qualifying. The combination isn’t good. I think (1) Hamilton is easily the better driver, (2) Rosberg lacks the personality needed to become a champion, reflected in the desperate stunt pulled at Monaco, (3) Lauda is out of his depth as manager. Rosberg had to be defended publicly, but needed to e hauled over the coals within the team for what he did. Failure to do that shows a fatal weakness in Mercedes’ management.

      2. Sturmovik says:

        I would disagree in that there wasn’t much of a rivalry to keep under control, in that the WDC wasn’t in the picture for either driver as is it is this year.
        I do agree with your point one, but it is debatable and mostly a matter of opinion at this point whether Nico ‘pulled a stunt’ in Monaco or it was a legitimate error. I also agree with you about Lauda and would go farther to say that he is not a manager at all, never has been. There again, perhaps they didn’t rake Rosberg over the coals is because they have the telemetry and know that it was not deliberate?

  53. Grant H says:

    On a different note, prior to monaco i read somewhere vettel has already used 4/5 of his engines for 2014. I assume the unit which failed at monaco was a early engine and not the 5th. RB will have to take care here else seb will start getting grid penalties for additional engines

    It is true old engines can possibly be repaired however I believe that some of the early 2014 engines were built before some of the reliability (or performance fixs) came in. Therefore does this mean if seb uses an early 2014 engine could it be down on power. Im not sure if the rules allow teams to repair engines with components of a brand new design or if the frozen rules prevent this. Obviously for new engines renault have been allowed to make changes for reliability (performance) – just wondering how that impacts on the older units used in Oz and malaysia.

  54. David in Sydney says:

    I’m a bit over the soap opera of driver rivals having spats, making up and then fighting each other as, erm, friends… they should grow up and do as the team says and race for the team and their side of the garage.

    He’s not my friend. Not fair!

    He’s not my BBF and never has been.


    All of this is with the background of being paid too much money, having strong media profiles and a jet set lifestyle.

    First world problems. No. F1 world problems.

    Mercedes should take a leaf out of Lauda’s book and call a spade a spade. Let them race. For Mercedes first and then for themselves. They are drivers. That is all. ALO, RAI, VET, HUL, RIC and, no doubt, many others could do exactly what they are doing without the petulant school yard edge.

  55. Matthew Cheshire says:

    Enzo Ferrari would lie to his drivers to create rivalries and pressure to ensure they didn’t hold back on the track. That was the reason for the animosity between Carrol Shelby and Ferrari.

    Mercedes need to keep their drivers from crashing into each other, but apart from that, why would they worry? They are there to win for Mercedes and get the publicity. Its not the Lewis and Nico show.

  56. kenneth chapman says:

    i’m afraid that hamilton lost me forever when [mod] maybe why a lot of people simply can’t tolerate his persona. include me in that fora.

    1. TimW says:

      So you make a snap judgement on a man’s character based on one throw away comment made by a (then) very young man whose every word is picked apart and endlessly scrutinised, I’m afraid you have lost me forever Kenneth.

      1. kenneth chapman says:

        @timW…..who said anything about a snap judgement. he had played the ‘goose’ numerous times and this comment was totally uncalled for.

        why is it people keep coming coming back and trying to defend the indefensible. all this,’oh he’s a young man etc etc etc’ he’s a grown adult and because he is prepared to play the big public image then he has to be judged by the comments he makes ‘in public’.

      2. TimW says:

        Because you said in your post that he lost you forever after one comment, sounds like a snap judgement to me. You use the word indefensible as if Lewis has said something truly terrible, he hasn’t, he has been asked thousands of questions over the years and has had his replies endlessly over analysed and criticised, far more than any other driver in my opinion. Of course he has to be judged on the comments he makes in public, I just don’t think he has ever said anything that deserves the level of vitriol he receives, you admit to effectively writing off Lewis forever on the back of one throw away jokey comment in which he did an impression of Ali G! I wonder if you expect such high standards from everyone?

    2. Breton says:


      It was an Ali G impersonnation!!!

      I don’t think it was meant to be serious!!!

    3. Thompson says:

      Naaah, he had to state that , get it out in the open. No dancing around.

      Dislike him by all means but don’t try to hide behind bogus excuses.

      He is not like Kartakain or the other Indian/Asian drivers at the back of the grid…….

      Actually it’s why I’ll always have a soft spot for Ron

      1. Nathan Jones says:

        Absolutely. Spot. On.

        Just say why it is that Lewis gets hung, drawn and quartered over anything less than being on pole or winning the race (which forces journos to smile through gritted teeth) – any other result, comment or infraction raises a whoop of delight through the press camp, and “I-told-you-so” shakes of the head from the bulk of fans, who feel they are protecting the honour of Motorsport from this deviant element.

        Don’t dance around it, “man up” and say it, as Derek would say.

  57. deancassady says:

    The media feed this monumental NON-story with the never ending innuendo.
    Much, if not all, of the Lewis-Nico ‘rivalry’ seems pretty much a media tactic, by, likely a large international brand company, which makes automobiles, (used to be well made), to take the fans’ attention away from the fact that this in a completely non-competitive year in the top category!
    It’s ridiculous!
    The competition is so bad, that the micro-focus on Lewis (mostly by the Brit-o-centric F1 media), creates a feeding frenzy by the challenge-challenged consumption class.

    Providing a platform for this drivel, I’d have thought below the extremely high standards of this place.

    No need to write anymore about, with a tad a patience, we can see what happens in la belle province, come the weekend.

    Je me souviens.

    1. James Allen says:

      Imagine 5 years down the road.

      What moments of the 2014 season do you think will be remembered?

      Dispute between title rivals a non-story?

      What do you recall from 2010 – Turkey perhaps?

      1. SaScha says:

        Rosberg made a Schumacher in Monaco this is what we will remember. I saw his fathers red head at Mercedes motorhome, he must have remembered his own words calling Schumacher a “scumbag” live on German TV

      2. justafan says:

        That’s the real sad thing about Monaco q3. It leaves an otherwise honourable man with egg on his face.

      3. KRB says:

        So far yeah, the Monaco pole incident, and the Bahrain wheel-to-wheel dice, would be the stories.

      4. TommyK says:

        I think the comments above that the season is “non-competitive” are a little harsh given the wake of the new regulations.

        We’ve seen some fantastic racing between the two Mercedes drivers, as well as those further down the grid, and long may it continue. I’m sure Mercedes in particular have much bigger fish to fry than dream up a “rivalry” between their drivers. They’re genuine racers who want to win- this is arguably Rosbergs best shot at the title and Hamilton wants No2. As far as I see it, it’s black and white.

        Of course there will be one team who benefit more than the others (think Brawn in 2009), but the others will catch up, and I’m sure if the regulations stay stable we will see others come into contention.

        Keep up the good work James- the best F1 fans website around.

      5. deancassady says:

        Thank you, James.
        But I still comes away from this one with a residual bitterness of manipulation.
        Yes, Lewis is very reactive, and the typically massively coddled (perhaps) necessity of the development of the modern F1 racer does maybe make the public behaviours seem a little… contrived(?).
        Perhaps, as you suggest, the cultural memory will cling to any break in the surface of the water.
        Of course, it doesn’t hurt (the media selling industry) that one of the protagonists (many would say, ‘the’ protagonist) is a Brit, and a bit of a bling-boy band type, to boot.

        Yet I can’t get away from the omnipresent feeling that it is being manufactured (by a global branding company, which still makes cars).

        Let’s see what we shall see in Montreal; it is a great town. Best case scenario, another team has at least got within the gravitational field of the Mercs, and can in some way affect the outcome of the two-dog race.

      6. James Allen says:

        Interesting. I’ll pay close attention to that in the coming races.

      7. kenneth chapman says:

        @deancassady…what does your intuition say regarding hamilton’s performance in montreal? is he still going to DNF?

      8. Mike from Colombia says:

        Abu Dhabi finale,

    2. AuraF1 says:

      No you’re absolutely right – the media should report F1 like the shipping forecast – simply state who came where and in what time. Commentary on drivers or personality should be removed. Mentioning how a driver behaves should be banned as superfluous. We should have total statistics and any element of humanity should be excised so as to rescue the hateful media from its tabloid urges…

      But seriously – if you don’t like the media talking to the drivers or about the drivers – why watch the post race or come to a website? Just watch the race and then switch off immediately so as never to learn what the drivers say or think.

      Yes the media bandwagon can jump on a story but they aren’t existing in a bubble – the reason the media report things is because people are interested. If everybody who watched F1 turned off after the chequered flag and never read analysis pieces online – they wouldn’t exist!

      Simple way to stop the media overblowing things you don’t want to hear about. Stop watching/reading/listening – they’ll soon give up if everybody did…

      Strangely though I think you’ll find most people actually crave human interest from their sport.

    3. erik says:

      Given the fact that minority have always been right your comment is refreshing to read and to me it is sadly true.

      James is trying to balance the views and there can be more with the same thoughts but mostly you have to comment in given subject… in given frame of mind.

      In James`s defense, any given season i remember persons, not so much the events. And hence we are all very similar, we can relate to each other. In that sense it is very personal and that is why rivalry will be remembered.

      Of course there are a lot of fiction to be able to wright more than one sentence but … people have to eat, right?

      Main point here is, as i understand this, stick to the racing side of the F1 and try to enjoy competition and if you are not a cook- DON`T GO TO KITCHEN!

  58. Roberto says:

    Interesting story, but if you take out the words “he” and “him” (meaning Lewis) and substitute a different name (perhaps Niki Lauda? I don’t really know), the story makes a lot more sense.

    I have a mental picture of some wise person figuratively slapping some sense into Lewis by convincing him that he was going way too far down the wrong road. Complements to Lewis for apparently realizing how important PR is in this business. However, I have serious doubts that Lewis came to this recent state of enlightenment on his own.

    1. aveli says:

      another one! where do you get your logic, i wonder?

    2. Clyde says:

      @ Roberto

  59. dodiy says:

    I guess it would be possible although with very small probability, that Lewis and Nico each get the same total of world championship points at the end of this 2014 season and become twin WDC. If that is the case it would not only be good for both of them, that would be fantastic too.

    1. KRB says:

      Someone else would have to win a race then, otherwise one or the other would win on countback.

    2. AuraF1 says:

      Doesn’t that scenario then come down to wins?

  60. Nick says:

    His attempt to settle things down is disingenuous. “Are you friends?”

    Yeah but, no but, oh wait … yeah but!

    Sometimes it’s better to keep your trap shut and let your driving do the talking.

    1. aveli says:

      he comes as a complete set of chromosomes and displays characteristics of all genes. you liking them is not his problem but yours. he is who he is and will behave the way he wants, say what he wants to say and it will all be reported.

  61. Albert Lyord says:

    Hi James, Your in depth analysis has always been very good BUT I insist on your bias reporting when it comes to HAMILTON.
    - Firstly, Alonso, Button and Rosberg are the most intellingent, best drivers in car set ups etc etc. But you`ve never explained to us why after Alonso spent 2 yrs in Renault and presently 5 yrs in Ferrari he has not succeded in improving the car performance. Hamilton left McLaren when clearly the car was the best on the track in 2012 and I remember Button saying he thinks Lewis is regretting his choice of going to Merc. What did McLaren do in 2013 season compared to Mercedes? we should not even talk about 2014.
    - Why have you not given us an indepth analysis on Driver contribution in car development? All u do is tell us about how “Alonso is the best driver on the grid, give him a winning car and he will be champion after 10 races” and blah blah.
    - Secondly I don`t want to talk about your indepth analysis at the beginning of the season of 2013 when you called Hamilton a rock star and how Rosberg is more intelligent, take good care of his tyres, understands the car better and blah blah blah.
    - Thirdly, you promise giving us an indepth analysis on the “Technical” reasons why Hamilton believed Rosberg deliberately robed him of pole position. Where is it?
    Now, what you present to us is how Hamilton`s attitude in Monaco backfired and he wants to reconcile with fans and blah blah.
    James sincerely I think your bias when it comes to Hamilton. I insist on this because naming Hakinen, and the FIA judge, somebody who when ever he is a judge Hamilton has been punished as people who were not happy with Hamilton`s behavior is total RUBBISH. If Somebody who has always been critical of Hamilton and presently is his BOSS like Lauda can take side with him on this one, then I truelly believe you would have giving us that famous “Technical Indepth Analysis ” of yours. What you don`t tell us is that almost all former F1 drivers who were in Monaco over that weekend took side with Hamilton on this incident. I like reading this web site though. I am not a Hamilton fan but an F1 fan for about 40 good yrs. If it interest you am 57.

    1. TimW says:

      You have a lot of complaints there Albert, I feel sure you are entitled to a full refund from James. Once that is sorted out don’t let the door hit you in the a** on the way out.

      1. Albert L. says:

        TimW, Italians say the “Speak the way they eat”. I think James does just that.

      2. TimW says:

        Albert, thankyou for replying to my comment, it makes no sense but thankyou for it!

    2. AuraF1 says:

      It’s hilarious – either James is TOO clearly anti-Hamilton and just hates him, or, at the same time, he’s part of the typical British media who defend Lewis against all criticism – If I were James I’d be shaking my head about now!

      He may have to start wearing a blue UN helmet and saying ‘I have no opinion on F1 events at all and would not voice any such opinions I may have for fear of creating the impression that I dearly love/clearly despise your favorite driver/that guy you hate.

      Look journalists are human beings – they have drivers who will impress them and disappoint them – there will be drivers that grant more access and are easier to talk to – but at the end of the day, journalists are reporting what people say and do, not making up stories. Lewis is a leading figure in F1 – what he says and does at races is NEWS. Journalists report it. Whenever fans had forums they demanded MORE access to drivers, more humanity and character, they want the media to be less dry technical stats and more about the drama of sport – so they give that and they get slammed for driving stories that fans always ask about!

      Grow up! At age 57 you probably need to accept that just because you are a fan of someone it doesn’t mean they can’t have their flaws reported on.

      1. Albert L. says:

        Have you for one second imagine the the caption on this website if what happened in Monaco would have been the reverse. Plis read my comments again.

    3. David Goss says:

      I literally laughed out loud at this. James can write what we wants, you’re not paying him anything. If you just want your own opinions parroted back to you, try the Daily Mail.

      1. Albert L. says:

        David Goss, Plis try and read other websites on this issue and how they were analysed. If u`re good in French and Italian languages too, that’s fine try their websites. Google translate can help.

    4. aveli says:

      i think james has his aims and objectives when he writes his articles and i suspect one of those is to get people talking or posting. he can get more people posting if he adds fuel rather than pour water on any issue. that said, nor matter how hard one tries to hide things, nature takes it course eventually.

      1. AuraF1 says:

        Since you have so little respect for James I do wonder why you post here then? Surely there is a site that caters for opinions that match yours only and do not silly themselves with disagreeing entirely with your purity?

      2. aveli says:

        how do you know that i have little respect for james? if i did, do you think i’d read these pages let alone post on here?
        does james not aim to encourage healthy debates on here? is that not the reason he provides space for us to post our opinion?

      3. James Allen says:

        That’s enough of this – dull for other users, thanks

      4. AuraF1 says:

        Apologies James was just getting bored of the same posts throughout accusing the media of generating everything the drivers themselves say. But it’s your site so I’ll shut up.

    5. Mike from Colombia says:

      Pretty sure that Mark Webber was the driver that stated to Mark Hughes that he thought Rosberg cheated.

      Hughes described the driver as a multiple grand prix winning colleague. Webber is a straight talker and respected by the fans, but somehow only Robserg defenders are ever named despite the majority of the paddock believing that Rosberg did it deliberately.

      Funny how the media picks and chooses when they accept FIA findings from telemetry. I remember Max Mosely’s justification of Alonso’s Monza 2006 by telemetry data being dismissed by the media.

      1. Albert L. says:

        This is the point. Why is it only in this web site that Rosberg`s supporters have been named?

      2. AuraF1 says:

        Because the detractors don’t want to be named perhaps? If they feel like accusing Rosberg is bad for their image.

    6. Nathan Jones says:

      The trend I’ve always noticed is that whoever is driving against Lewis in the other car becomes the most intelligent driver in the grid. By inference, Lewis is then painted as some knuckle dragger, whilst his team mate becomes Cerebro in human form. Every. Single. Time.

      1. Albert L. says:


  62. Grant says:

    Come Canada so we can irritate these Hamilton bashers some more.

    1. AuraF1 says:

      Given that you’ve posted more than anyone else on this particular piece and seem aggrieved at anyone who doesn’t fully agree with you I’d say you were the irritated one. :)

      1. aveli says:

        i see you have clearly stated which side you belong.

      2. AuraF1 says:

        Not in the slightest. I have been posting on James’ site for many years and have never wavered in pointing out I’m a McLaren fan given half my family work there. I have grown up with Lewis Hamilton as *my* driver, I’ve met him and was massively in awe on each occasion. That doesn’t mean that I run round on blogs insulting journalists, coming up with crazy defenses of any and every real and imagined slight or start conspiracy theories about ‘haters’ or the ‘media’.

        I tend to call out people who make this into a game of thrones style ‘with us or against us’ loyalty test – I think that’s both pointless and rather pathetic and I’m sure I’m not the only one fed up of the abusive and immature posts – I imagine James Allen is getting a bit tired of being accused on one side of being a Brit-loving defender of Hamilton and accused by another faction of being biased against the king and refusing to recognise his genius…

        Lewis is good. He makes mistakes. He is human. I do sometimes wonder about some of his fans though…

      3. aveli says:

        what is the point in saying he is human and makes mistakes? why should his mistakes be an issue if you know that he makes mistakes like other humans?
        i have never met hamilton but i enjoy his driving flair and his contribution to f1 as a whole. on the other hand, i absolutely hate the level of disrespected directed at him by many fans. this is his 8th f1 season and yet many refuse to accept that he is as good as he is and look for any fault to exaggerate (to treat their disorder). i don’t know of another driver who has been disrespected by fans as much as hamilton had to endure. f1 is not pointless, it is absolutely normal to express your pleasure after success of the sporting team or personality you support but it is abnormal for so many people to express such a high level of displeasure because a sporting team or personality is successful. i don’t want to site examples so i’ll leave at that, abnormal.

      4. Grant says:

        I’m actually not irritated @AuraF1.
        I’m just doing my little bit to expose the double standard that I’ve noticed on this forum.

        What puzzles me is that members here are actually intellectually very sound, yet some very obvious things tend to fly over their heads….

    2. Ahmed says:

      Can I get an amen?!

  63. SaScha says:

    Rosberg did [mod] in Monaco, but Lewis gets all the critic here. I go with Alex Zanardi, who sais without Lewis professionalism & self control it would have given a scandal there!
    Lewis had every right to be upset, he would have been faster and probably won the GP, he already lost a potential win at Australia, wich was not his fault, too. And Rosberg leading the WDC is ppure travesty, as Rosberg never won one race aginst Lewis on track, so far 2014.
    That Hamilton turned away his own fans is nonsense and made up,they are more than ever behind him, because we saw that there is still 2 sets of rules in F1, one for the drivers from “the right” background” and one for Lewis.
    IMO warwick should be banned as steward from F1 he had personl feeling let decide the outcome of a F1 by reasoning Rosberg is the most ” honset” driver at f1 wich is only his own opinion and not any prof. A judge in a real court would have been immediately replaced as biased.
    Hakkinen & Surtees are a minority, too with a personal opinion wich doen’t count more than any others.

    BTW a collegue of you wrote even at MErcedes there are enough who think it was deliberate from Rosberg, including one of the bosses who had this opinion

  64. Mikeboy0001 says:

    Oh Lewis, to think I was a fan of yours for so many years!!!
    Envy over Vettel has turned you, spiritually, into a poor man
    What a shame, you could have been one of the all time greats

    1. flesh says:

      @mikeboy0001 Your last post was ridiculous his envy over vettel has spiritually rendered him poor. I have no doubt Hamilton has only envied vettels cars as has all other drivers. and to question his spirituality based on said envy just demonstrates your total lack of any comprehension regarding spirituality. and believe me Lewis’s greatness is assured he will never stand on the shoulders of giants for he is a colossus and the envy of so many of his contempries and quite possibly an awful lot of historical drivers equally

  65. Vic says:

    Hi Guys, I think some of you are a bit too harsh on James Allen (and some of you don’t read/understand his views in the articles properly). Should be grateful that he interacts with us getting involved in discussions.

    I guess its just a small minority, but I speak out because I seem to see this pattern in a lot of discussions.

    1. Albert L. says:

      Vic, Where is the HARSHNESS. Some of us don`t have the means to visit the stands during race weekends or access to telemetry. But if somebody like James, who has the access to all of this information including the fact that we can surf and comment in his web site free of charge. We are just interested in the “Technical” aspects of race or qualification incidents/accidents.

  66. Thompson says:

    What Hamilton has done in my opinion is the right thing.

    Taken a deep breath and decided to move forward – it’s over. Does he mean it, who knows – the results will decide if he cares from this point on.

    Rosberg mistake was his ace in the pocket, his character now has a question mark over it.

    This race weekend will be interesting – wonder how the media will get on.

    Tis the busiest I ‘ve seen the site for many a year……. since 07 or was it 08…….?

  67. Mike from Colombia says:

    We would not even be talking about this if Mercedes had not made the monumental mistake of getting rid of Brawn.

    Wolff is a lightweight who is oblivious of how little respect he has. The guy is completely out of his depth and seems more preoccupied with either making a name for himself or getting his wife an F1 drive.

    Mercedes needs some proper leadership.

  68. Nic Maennling says:

    “…Rosberg can play that game better. ” I admire your column enormously but I have to disagree with you on that point. It’s far from being a game and a poor stunt like Rosberg’s will haunt him far longer than a bit of Lewis’ reaction which was also out of order given their long term relationship.

  69. Rafael says:

    I’m rooting for Team Hamilton in the current Mercedes line-up, but even I have to say Lewis’ behaviour in post-race was appalling. So good on him for realizing his mistake and taking the initiative to patch things up to prevent further tensions.

    In my view, the 2014 title is Hamilton’s to lose: Rosberg isn’t in the same league as he is in terms of speed and talent, and without that the German’s mental prowess can only bring him so far. All Lewis has to do the entire season is let his talents reign free, keep a level head and remind himself that getting beat/outsmarted every once in while is normal.

  70. rick wilson says:

    A couple of somewhat disconnected responses: 1) Hamilton will not be happy with the team or Rosberg until he (Hamilton) has set fastest race laps consistently. Remember a couple of weeks ago, in post-race-victory comments, Hamilton stated, “Nico was quicker than me.” On the season, Rosberg has more fastest race laps, and Hamilton understandably hates that. 2) Mr. Allen has been impeccably professional in laying out the facts as revealed throughout the season. We can all speculate as to Rosberg’s Monaco accident, but when telemetry shows both Hamilton and Rosberg braking 8 meters later on that key quali lap, no sanctioning body can legitimately use a crystal ball and issue a penalty. Mr. Allen is forthright enough to honestly show less-than-stellar behaviors for what they are, whomever displays them–doing his duty without rancor. 3) Hamilton is generally considered stunningly quick on track, but is seen by some (accurately or not) as needing more hints than some competitors on lines–when even Vettel in a championship season is told on radio “You’re losing a tenth through 3,” and he subsequently adjusts his line and turns fastest lap, we should realize that it is part of the business. So if many of you agree that Hamilton is so very quick, and given the number of laps that he has led the field in clean air this year, just how slow is Rosberg to have set so many fastest race laps thus far? Mr. Allen and contributors, thank you for what you give us.

    1. Sturmovik says:

      Yes, quite. No question Hamilton has a great deal of raw talent and it spectacular to watch race; yet I think it is a huge mistake to underestimate Nico, which is regularly done, assuming that the only reason Rosberg can prevail over Hamilton is if Hamilton is hindered in some way. People forget that Nico endured a lot of lean years before landing at Mercedes, and then had none other than Michael Schumacher as a team mate, he’s had his tactics and skills honed by a master instructor.

  71. Sebee says:

    Look who doesn’t like these engines?


    Yeah, only the guys who drive the cars. Go back to the bit from James about the braking on these new cars that was posted a few months back to see why drivers don’t like it.

    I simply love D.C. concert example.

    1. aveli says:

      i enjoy watching the cars on tv and watching them live. i was in monaco and enjoyed it. the formular renault cars were louder but the crowd didn’t stay behind to watch them after the f1 qualifying. even the noise didn’t entice them to want to watch. the crowds returned to watch the race the following day and I didn’t hear anyone complaining about the noise albeit not half as loud as it has been in the past.

      1. Sebee says:

        Well, it turns out drivers aren’t enjoying driving them. I think that carries a whole lot of weight. More than your argument or my arguments.

        I could tell you how GP2 cars are louder, cheaper, nearly as fast, apparently more fun to drive. But what matters is, drivers aren’t fond of this engine formula. I find that very interesting indeed.

      2. aveli says:

        hamilton said the car he drives now is that best f1 car he has ever had. he said he had to drive all the mclaren f1 cars over the limit because they weren’t good enough but this car he drives within the limits of the car and drives faster as a result.
        i haven’t read or heard any driver say they do not enjoy the current formula.
        some people have a mentality which opposes change just for the sake of it. they think going to the moon or studying space is a waste of money.

      3. kenneth chapman says:

        @ aveli…you haven’t read or heard any driver say they do not enjoy the current formula? are you serious?

        time to do some homework aveli. no more playing outside until you are finished. check out alonso’s latest discourse for your edification.

      4. aveli says:

        kenneth chapman, it is normal for those who do not perform well to complain about the regulations. they were given enough time to build and develop their cars for racing in 2014. non of them complained until they found out that they have no hope. we then hear them ask for softer tyres, hopeful, that it would disadvantage the mercs like they suffered last season, while others complain about the formula. this is very normal. look at what alonso had to say this week and you’ll notice that he hasn’t said he wants to retire from the sport because he no longer enjoys driving the cars.

      5. Sebee says:


        Lewis and Nico are winning. Obviously they will not complain as much. But DC mentions these too as well.

      6. Sebee says:


        Sure HAM says he likes it, what is he to say in public, he’s winning. But I think what DC passes on is quite clear to me. 1 degree of separation.

      7. aveli says:

        sebee, as you know very well, dc work is not an information service. he will write about anything which will get the fans attention. if any of the drivers didn’t enjoy driving the cars, why would button, alonso and raikkonen all say they look forward to extending their contracts in future. it is normal for people to turn their backs on things they don’t enjoy.

      8. Sebee says:


        When you get paid like they do, you drive as long as they will pay you!

  72. Sebee says:

    By the way, is it true? Monaco attendance down 20%?

    Monaco? Down? 20%?

    Really!?!? What The F….ormula?

    There you go. Nice new engines.

    1. James Allen says:

      Hockenheim is well down on sales, I hear

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        That’s very surprising James.
        Germany still has a relatively strong economy, particularly in the Stuttgart and Rhine Valley area (where Merc is located) and the Germans do have a 4 * WDC to cheer on, as well as potential WDC this year, not to mention the Incredible Hulk……….
        Mind you, Hockenhiem was butchered when they got rid of the mega long straights linked by tight chicanes out in the forest. The new circuit is just average, where as the original Hockenhiem had a unique charm and saw some fantastic battles over the years.
        I actually checked on Google Earth and the old Hockenhiem is gone forever…………the mega long back straights have been reclaimed by the forests…………so sad.
        Thank god for Montreal, Silverstone, Spa and Monza! They’ve all been modified without changing the charm and character of the circuit.

      2. James Allen says:

        Thats’s what the lads from German TV RTL told me

      3. Sebee says:

        Thank God for those indeed.

        I have been to all 4 you name, and each is absolutely a unique experience. I’d throw Suzuka and Interlagos in there too, which again are very unique.

        As an F1 fan, when I arrived at each of these, (just got boose bumps) and you step your foot in past the gate, there is certain satisfaction that you’ve made it, that you’re here, that you’re going to experience something special as a fan of this sport.

        Walking into the circuit from the train station by Lesmos, or by the old banked track, or up to Eau Rouge grand stand – when you really realize how damn steep it is. Oh man, that food area where the cars just come out of no where, it’s just there…no grand stand ticket needed. It’s amazing. I’d say best view, and free!. Just stand and enjoy what was without doubt the most unique and fantastic view of an F1 car I’ve ever seen. When we were there in 2005 (OMG – it’s almost a decade!) because we wanted to see Belgium with V10s it was just incredible. Fisi had a huge crash in Eau Rouge to demonstrate that it is still dangerous. I don’t think anyone has had a big off there like that since then really.

        So to sum up…I think it’s more than those four. Montreal, Silverstone, Monza, Spa, Suzuka, Interlagos, Monaco – irreplacable classics. It is a shame that Hockenheim of old is gone indeed. But we’ll always have that memory of Rubens getting his first win in the wet against none other than Der Champ himself in his prime and at his best, and to add a cherry on the cake, it was in the wet, and if memory serves me right he did it by staying on the slicks. What a joyful GP that was to watch. But “crying Rubens” was a big harsh on the eyes. :-)


      4. justafan says:

        Vettel will never attract the crowds Schumacher did. Unless he drives for ferrari, that is.

      5. Sebee says:

        With a month and a half to go, sounds to me like time for a Mercedes promotion.

        Buy any AMG Mercedes or a Mercedes with an AMG Appearance package from any German Mercedes dealer between now and July 10th and receive a pair of grandstand tickets to the Grand Prix of Germany where you will also pick up your Mercedes on Friday. You’re welcome Mercedes, I know, it’s great idea. Oh, which car do you think will win that GP?

        But Monaco? The Crown Jewel of F1? Down 20%?

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      my friend who was at monaco was quite surprised at the number of empty seats where they would usually be jam packed.

      1. Sebee says:

        Since the new grand stands were added some time back if I remember correctly they do have race day capacity around 40K in seats alone, plus GA and of course let’s not forget those private balconies.

        So 20%, we are talking about aroudn 10-12K of unsold tickets. That’s HUGE. For Monaco too! What does this say about F1? I mean Kenneth, it’s Monaco! OK, I’ll knock it off with that Monaco bit. But basically it’s a bit like Super Bowl of F1, or final of any turnament – it’s that important. Imagine 20% empty seats at Champions final, or World Cup, or Euro, or Super Bowl, or Stanley Cup final, or World Series…just wanted to ensure I gave enough examples. It just wouldn’t happen – end of story. You’re lucky if you see an empty seat during the TV feed, and you see it only because the guy or gal is out taking a quick whiz.

        Monaco should be a sell-out each year, every year.

      2. Gaz Boy says:

        We all know who to blame for the declining ticket sales, declining spectators, declining sponsorship for the teams………..
        Here’s a clue: every week he appears in a building in Munich for some reason. Apparently he works for a company who are abbreviated to CVC……….actually, the aforementioned CVC are just to blame as Mr E, as they have siphoned off the profits of F1 and haven’t put a penny/Euro/cent back into the sport and charge outrageously high license fees which the circuits can only recoup in high ticket prices………that’s if the spectators turn up, which obviously in Monaco they haven’t, at least not en masse.

      3. Sebee says:

        There were cheap seats at Indianapolis and plenty of empty seats as well.

        No argument that high prices play a role. Ideally new fans should come into the sport to take up the slack But indeed, young Europeans are hardest hit in employment market. I can hardly see them paying 600 Euro for weekend ticket for Monaco GP.

      4. aveli says:

        general entry tickets were quali and race at monaco were €110 this year.

    3. aveli says:

      monaco was the 6th circuit to host f1 races this season and you have decided to use attendance records from monaco to decide how the new engines have influenced the sport? is that a fair test? i like the truth. are there no other factors which could have influenced the attendance?

  73. Sturmovik says:

    I’m sure Lewis and Niko will be friends again after they’re both on different teams or retired, but right now they’re competing against one another on the same team for the most coveted title in Motorsports, not Miss Universe.
    Lewis has more raw talent than Niko, but it appears that Niko is far more mature and hence worries less about what others think of him-which has always seemed to be one of Lewis’ constant preoccupations.
    This is also appears to be an attempt to protect the ‘brand’ called Lewis Hamilton by perpetuating the notion that no matter what happens on the track Rosberg and Hamilton will slap each other on the back afterward and laugh it all off whilst sharing a pint.
    I’ll take Prost vs. Senna or Schumacher vs. anyone simply because it would be bereft of this tedious adolescent chatter that permeates certain celebrity drivers today.

  74. Tyler says:

    All I can say is that from a business point of view the whole thing is brilliant for F1 and must make Bernie smile with delight. No one in the paddock is really complaining except the guy who loses.

  75. Richard says:

    The articles from James are normally well-balanced, but not this time. I’m no great fan of any one team or driver and it appears to me that Nico came out looking like a desperate guy with a win-at-any-cost approach (just like Schumacher, Vettel …). Indeed he is desperate, he’s been beaten 4-0 in a straight fight with Lewis. Yes Lewis should have kept his mouth shut a bit more, but I’m sure he was just bursting to say a whole lot more. I also detected just the slightest bit of favouritism from the team towards Nico. With a car nobody else can beat, Mercedes wont make sure Nico just edges it – will they ?

  76. Andrew says:

    Random question James.
    You are a team owner and got two free seats who would want based on this year’s races driving your cars?

    1. James Allen says:

      If I have a car with a chance to win races?

      Alonso and Rosberg would be strong.

      Hamilton and Ricciardo would be fun too

      Your choice?

      1. Gaz Boy says:

        Hang on James, don’t forget the “youth” vote!
        The Incredible Hulk and Bianchi should drive for Team JA F1!
        Both those lads have performed superman performances – Monte Carlo last time was a perfect 10/10 for Bianchi as was the Hulk last year in Italy and Korea. I don’t get all this “he’s too tall, he’s too heavy” misinformed nonsense.
        It’s not as if Hulk is the height of Jaws from Bond or the Michelin Man dimensions of Montoya!

      2. Frank Dernie says:

        The problem with young drivers, and the reasons they almost never start with a top team (Lewis was spectacularly lucky to have his first season in a winning car) is lack of experience. However good they are going to be mistakes in the first season are very costly – one could argue in extremis that half the budget is spent on educating the driver rather than him working for the team.
        Only somebody who did not have to put their money where there mouth is would hire novices for a top team.

      3. justafan says:

        Hehe, I would take Vettel and Alonso. If only for the intra team action. Probably comes closest to Senna and Prost. However I would make sure there’s no confidential stuff from other teams within my team employees.

      4. Mike from Colombia says:

        Rosberg makes a great no. 2

      5. kenneth chapman says:

        @ andrew… sorry to interject but i would like to see alonso and ricciardo duet. now that would be a very racy team IMO.

      6. Andrew says:

        I think that Ricciardo has been the story of the year. Okay Vettel has been having car issues but Daniel has out performed just about everyone’s idea of him. Alonso would be my other choice and before anyone asks yes I am able to provide him with a car that is worthy of his talents!

    2. Dave Aston says:

      Vettel and Hamilton.

  77. SilverArrow says:

    Jeez… You guys really are delusional.

  78. docjkm says:

    Wow, just wow.

    Formula One as covered and followed by E! . Hair, nails, and wardrobe next?

    All you above this… [mod]?

    Formula One is automobile racing. I couldn’t give a rodent’s backside if Britney and Lewise are on the outs, still going steady, or spooning in the Mercedes motorcoach. The ONLY thing fascinating to me is why all of you DO?


  79. Seized Up says:

    Elastoplast. And it may get ripped off pretty painfully in Canada. Hamilton does seem to be edging the battles so far but there’s not a whole lot between them. A bit of luck [good or bad] will probably decide the drivers’ world title if Mercedes continue to dominate as the two drivers can’t really land a knock out punch against each other. It’s a war of attrition.

    1. kenneth chapman says:

      @ seized up….maybe a war of ‘sedition’ hahaha. there seems to be a bit of ‘noise’ surrounding the driver attitudes, emanating from either side of the garages.

      if i read it correctly the on track disputation may well have spilled over. if so then we can expect to see some further deterioration in the relationship. by casting doubt on the ‘integrity’ of rosberg the hamilton camp have nailed their colours to the mast, in a manner of speaking. i would expect the garagistes to have their own opinions and they may choose to import those opinions into the rest of the season in one way or another. just my opinion.

  80. John says:

    Hopefully they will take each other out in Canada. Fingers crossed. Even if they do that, the championship, unfortunately, will still be decided between the two of them.

    1. aveli says:

      did you not see their synchronised driving in bahrain? they will not take each other out.

  81. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    They are in different leagues: ROSBERG fights for being a Champion, while HAMILTON a triple champion.

    Who remember Keke Rosberg as a Champion…?

    1. Dave Aston says:

      Me! According to reports, waiting to go to the grid in Dallas, 40c temperatures, all the drivers sitting umder umbrellas with an ice pack, and Keke sitting on the pitwall with his overalls down to his waist, smoking a cigarette. Fastest ever lap of a Grand Prix circuit, a record that stood for about 20 years, achieved with a deflating tyre. A balls out racer who also had the nous to win the title in a car slower than most of his main opposition. Raced wheel to wheel with Villeneuve in Formula Atlantic, won the Can Am series, etc etc…

    2. Mike from Colombia says:

      One of the most undeserving in F1 history.
      1 win and 6 total career wins.

      Piquet and Rosberg are the odd names on the WDC list for the 80s. Funny coincidence that both of them have sons embroiled in ethical scandals.

  82. justafan says:

    Hamilton has a history of winning in Canada. However he also has a history of driving into stationary cars in the pit lane and team mates on the strait. Which Lewis will we see in Canada this time? Interesting times ahead.

    1. aveli says:

      raikkonen will park at the red light and wait for hamilton to pile into him.

  83. Frank Dernie says:

    This is a very long list of opinions and I have not read them all, but if you read languages other than English try a few other web sites. If you only read English you are stuck with getting all your info from pundits who are likely to see things very favourably for Lewis, the top British driver and a meal ticket for many of them.
    Cut James some slack. He is a specialist F1 journalist so less likely for nationality bias than TV and newspaper guys.
    The stewards have seen the data and Derek Warwick queried details and got satisfactory explanations.
    Nico celebrated pole, wouldn’t all of us? If he had known then what a furore would develop over what seem to be false accusations maybe he would have put on a different public display.

    1. Gaz Boy says:

      Is this the same Frank Dernie who worked for Williams, Lotus, Benetton et al and who replied to my post? Hello Frank if it is!
      If it is the same Mr Dernie who deigned the superb Williams FW07 as driven by Reggaz, Jonsey and Lole, the excellent Williams FW08 driven by Flying Finn Keke and the monster Williams FW11/B driven by Our Nige and Lord Nelson, amongst others, hello Frank!
      I saw you on YouTube on a TV programme called “Gentlemen, please lift your skirts………..”
      PS You must have been gutted when Gordon Murray in 1981 came up with that “special suspension” that proved to have such a big advantage!!!!

      1. Frank Dernie says:

        I am told it was David North who came up with the idea of hydraulic suspension. He was Gordon’s right hand man for yonks.

      2. Gaz Boy says:

        Hello Frank!
        No disrespect Frank, but those water cooled brakes that Williams and Brabham used for the start of the 1982 season (and got Nelson and Keke disqualified from the race in Rio to boot!) were well and truly driving a coach and horses through the regulations, if you’ll pardon the pun! Who came up with that idea? Mind you, if the FIA were daft enough to allow the teams to “top up” oil, water and the like after a race (before scrutineering) then flagrant rule bending was somewhat inevitable!
        PS That FW07 was a masterpiece, a brilliant piece of kit. And of course, Jonsey was pretty handy too!

      3. aveli says:

        wow! what more can we ask for? this is fantastic!

      4. aveli says:

        we’re all watching a mad man talk to himself!

      5. Frank Dernie says:

        The rules have always been pushed to the limit, and not just in F1.
        At the end of a race those cars that were light enough to have run under the weight limit (not that many were) would fill the gearbox completely full of oil, fill the oil tank to the top and some had -huge- master cylinder reservoirs which were filled too. The car would be quite incapable of running in this state.
        The water cooled brake tank was just another variation on an old theme.
        At Le Mans one of the most successful constructors regularly ran seriously underweight cars which had a vast oil tank which was filled for scrutineering.
        The problem of the water cooled brakes was one of lack political influence not rule bending IMHO.

    2. kenneth chapman says:

      @ frank dernie…..some uncommon sense there. just confirms what a lot of us have been saying all along.

    3. aveli says:

      to be fair frank, warwick said he asked rosberg what happened and rosberg said he locked up the rears. video footage show that the rears weren’t locked up at all. warwick could have also seen from the data if the rears were locked up. things would be a lot easier if warwick and his team published a full report of their findings. no need to hide anything. this is normal practice at court.

      1. Frank Dernie says:

        It is impossible for the rears to actually lock with the car in gear. What drivers actually mean when they say “locked the rears” is that they were under-rotating. If the tyres are going round significantly less than 90% of the car speed they lose lateral grip.
        This would be clear on the data and overlay to Lewis, but can never be seen on video.

      2. aveli says:

        may be. if the rears locked like you described, why couldn’t warwick and his team see that in the data?
        and why don’t they publish all the evidence which led them to their decision so that we all understand that there are no underhand decisions being taken?
        if you listen to rosberg’s interviews, you will notice that he nearly said ‘i managed to block lewis’ but omitted the word managed albeit he starts to say the word.
        in another interview he also said that he made a mistake and exaggerated it.
        transparency would make the sport appear that much cleaner.

      3. aveli says:

        on second thought, I have seen many f1 cars lock up all four wheels so why do you say it’s impossible to lock the rears?

      4. kenneth chapman says:

        @ aveli….just a note. do you actually know who you are questioning?

      5. James Allen says:

        Yes, it is THE Frank Dernie, he is a good friend of the site

      6. aveli says:

        red bull were able to design an engine mapping which allowed the engine to rev in order to used the exhaust produced to blow the diffuser while the car slowed down and went around slow corners. under braking, the current cars harvest energy from he crank shaft. the wheels can lock while the engine runs, after all the clutch connects the engine to the gear box. why do you find this so difficult to understand?

      7. aveli says:

        hello frank dernie, with all due respect, I have seen cars lock all four wheels and I think they have unti stall too.. there are many on here who pretend to be experts and I don’t know who is who bit if james says you are the frank dernie, I cannot dispute that. please do not be offended by my posts and help us develop a better understanding of what we observe.
        please explain why we see cars lock all four wheels under braking.

      8. James Allen says:

        I think Frank has said enough, he has been extremely patient for which we are grateful

      9. aveli says:

        at kenneth chapman, is that important? i hope to get some answers though.

      10. aveli says:

        my wish is to read some words from that wealth of knowledge the gret engineer has. palms being rubbed!

      11. Frank Dernie says:

        Well Aveli you are pretty determined to stick to your opinion regardless of facts.
        If you don’t understand how you can’t lock the rears without stopping the engine, and you did not know that anyway the loss of grip comes way before the wheels actually stop there is no point in further explanation.

      12. kenneth chapman says:

        @ frank dernie….well said. some people simply can’t grasp the facts irrespective of from where they emanate. thanks for the explanation. i have been following F1 since inception and i still learn something new every day. hopefully we will hear more from you as time goes by.

    4. Mike from Colombia says:

      Frank …you are a legend. Do you still have the tea urn?

      1. Frank Dernie says:

        Got a mug of tea in my hand at the moment.

  84. F1 Bobby says:

    Rosberg looked a proper tool celebrating on Saturday but instead of capitalising on this, Lewis ended up looking like the bad guy with his whining and pouting on Sunday.
    I’m the biggest Hamilton fan going but he’s got to get stronger mentally.

  85. Hudson says:

    Quite a lot of varied opinions on James’s impartiality concerning Hamilton, but what I found interesting were that all of them were quite respectful of Mr Allen’s integrity as an F1 journalist. Unlike many here, I didn’t grow up watching Formula 1, I only started when I was around 25, and the first voice I listened to was that of James Allen on ITV. I was quite disappointed when he left ITV and didn’t do any commentary until he started again a few years ago on Five Live. Now based in Australia, I actually had to pay those VPN websites to pick up BBC 5Live commentary, as I didn’t enjoy some of the TV commentary we get here. But I always followed his websites almost from the start; alongside autosport (when it was free) they are the only websites I follow.
    As for his bias, I must say James of course no longer comes across as a big Lewis fan, but he doesn’t do it in an offputting way. I find him much more likeable than Martin Brundle. He also does great work for Channel 10 in Australia so thanks very much for that James. Looking forward to listening to your commentary from the F1 App over the weekend.

    1. Samir says:

      Well said! Much respect to James for participating in these forums with the rest of us, besides lighting the fuse for some of these debates! I don’t believe James is heavily biased, and I think slight biases are acceptable as they’re human. There is a healthy sense of debate on this forum, which never lacks passion, yet avoids degenerating into abuse.

  86. kenneth chapman says:

    as an australian follower of F1 i too enjoy james’ commentary and always take note of his valued opinions. it is all to easy to dash off some garbage comments knowing that they will never have to be tested in the court of reality. the quality of our own commentators is sadly lacking and even AJ, likeable as ever, comes out with some inane and archaic comments from time to time. james is a breath of fresh air.

    james does have the cred and the respect of many F1 insiders and that alone is enough for me.

    it must be said that hardly anyone can be totally impartial and if james at times seems to be floating an ‘impartial’ opinion remember it is only impartial to those with opposing views that are mainly untested.

    there is nothing wrong with putting james to the test though and i am sure that he fully understands and he appears more than often to explain his reasoning, not like another well known blogger who will ban anyone at the blink of an eye for even daring to voice an alternate opinion. i know that because i have been banned on numerous occasions by this rude and self opinionated chap!

    so james keep up the good work. i for one thoroughly enjoy your site.

  87. kn says:

    Again, Lewis turning the world into a melodrama. Who cares if he’s “ok” with his teammate. Maybe on his visit to the pope, he told him to stop being a crybaby.

    Anyways, as a Canadian, here is hoping to see Daniel Riccardo or Kimi winning in Montreal….ok Kimi isn’t going to win. There’s always hope. Everybody who is visiting, enjoy our country.

    1. aveli says:

      i never write about things i don’t care about.

  88. Torchwood Five says:

    James is very impartial, and I recall that after Monaco’s qualifying, where posters criticised Lewis’ behaviour, that James made the point several times, that he had a right to be upset with what transpired.

    The claims that the article seems skewed in one direction could be that out of an equation of two drivers, Hamilton and Rosberg, some parts are one-sided.

    For instance, how Hamilton’s behaviour has upset some of his fans – no mention of how Rosberg’s fans feel about actions.

    Some parts of the media do like to feature both sides of a story, but in this article at least, there were parts covering Lewis without equivalent text focusing on Rosberg.

    There is some bias “somewhere” if Lewis behaviour draws comments from F1 stalwarts and fans, but Nico’s does not.

  89. Steve W says:

    Hamilton will fully make up with Rosberg if – and only if – he beats Rosberg for the 2014 Championship. Otherwise it won’t happen…


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