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Posted By: Matt Meadows  |  17 Nov 2013   |  10:35 pm GMT  |  404 comments

Sebastian Vettel took care of some unfinished business in Austin today as he claimed a straightforward victory in the American Grand Prix, ahead of Romain Grosjean and Mark Webber.

It is the 38th win of his career, taking him to twelve in 2013 and adding another record to his ever-growing CV. He is the first man to win eight consecutive Formula One races in a single season.

For Grosjean this was the sixth podium of the season and a hard fought one, built on a strong start and then soaking up the pressure from Mark Webber in the final stages. He held on to claim a season’s best second place.

Vettel’s consistency and speed has offered a fresh challenge to the media, scratching around for superlatives to describe his consistently high level performances. And once again today he was unchallenged on his way to victory, defending his lead in to turn one on the opening lap, and from there rushing to make Hungary the sole track on which he is yet to win a Grand Prix.

It was a one-stop race for much of the field, with the only pit-stops taking place between lap twenty-two and twenty-nine, which made for plenty of action on the track.

Webber lost out to Grosjean and Lewis Hamilton at the first corner, but an excellent move around the outside of Hamilton allowed the Australian to reign in the Lotus and make for an exciting climax to the race.

Webber consistently found himself in the DRS-zone of Grosjean only to run out of straight road and maintain his position. The result gives Grosjean his fourth podium in five races, establishing himself as a top driver in current F1.

The second place for the Frenchman also keeps Lotus in the hunt for third in the Constructors’ Championship. They remain in fourth place on 315 points, eighteen behind Ferrari with Mercedes a further fifteen points up the road.

Mercedes had a positive day in light of their unsatisfactory qualifying. Hamilton had a quiet race in fourth place, offering some entertainment in his radio conversations with his engineer.

After telling his engineer to ‘let him drive’, he subsequently demanded some information on lap times and tyre temperatures just a few laps later. Mercedes Team Principal Ross Brawn told Sky Sports, “Yes that’s Lewis, we’re getting used to how to deal with him.”

In the closing laps, Hamilton came under pressure from a closing Alonso, but was able to stabilise the advantage and put his team in the hot-seat for runners-up in the Constructors’ Championship.

Alonso had a strong drive at the Circuit of Americas after dropping places on the first lap for only the third time in 2013. He passed Sergio Perez and Nico Hulkenberg, who both delivered impressive performances, on his way to fifth place.

From fourth on the grid, Hulkenberg lost out to only Hamilton and Alonso in another eye-catching performance for the German. He is deserving of a top drive in 2014, but looks likely to find himself at Force India once again next year, possibly partnered by seventh placed Perez.

Valtteri Bottas will remember the 2013 US GP as his first ever points in Formula One with a great performance to take eighth.

The top ten was completed by Nico Rosberg and Jenson Button. Rosberg often finds himself in a defensive mood in his Mercedes, but today he was able to attack from his 12th place start and put some good moves on the cars ahead.

AMERICAN GRAND PRIX, Austin, Race, 56 Laps
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1h39;17.148
2. Romain Grosjean Lotus + 6.2
3. Mark Webber Red Bull + 8.3
4. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes + 27.3
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari + 29.5
6. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber + 30.4
7. Sergio Perez McLaren + 46.6
8. Valtteri Bottas Williams + 54.5
9. Nico Rosberg Mercedes + 59.1
10. Jenson Button McLaren + 1:17.2
11. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso + 1:21.0
12. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso + 1:24.5
13. Felipe Massa Ferrari + 1:26.9
14. Esteban Gutierrez Sauber + 1:31.7
15. Heikki Kovalainen Lotus + 1:35.0
16. Paul Di Resta Force India + 1:36.8
17. Pastor Maldonado Williams + 1 lap
18. Jules Bianchi Marussia + 1 lap
19. Giedo van der Garde Caterham + 1 lap
20. Charles Pic Caterham + 1 lap
21. Max Chilton Marussia + 1 lap

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  1. Rodrigo Martins says:

    What a borring race.

    1. Goob says:

      Welcome to the Vettel era of driving to deltas… and DRS overfakes…

      Imagine a race with lower aero, higher mechanical grip, no-DRS, excess BHP…

      We would not be all bored stiff…

      1. Sebee says:

        F1 is heavily committed to DRS. I don’t think they will turn away from it now. How can they?

      2. Fireman says:

        Easily. Just remove the mechanism from the read wing and remove one button from the steering wheel :D

        Then make the aero changes that were supposed to come into effect 2014 before they were abandoned. And let Pirelli do whatever they like with the tires.

      3. KRB says:

        They won’t, but they should. DRS is awful, I hate it. The whole point of an overtake is that it is hard-won; DRS negates that. There is no accomplishment in a DRS-aided overtake anymore.

        Yes, the race was boring, at least compared to last year’s edition. Last year, there was perhaps TOO MUCH action happening, all over the place. This year, not nearly enough. Some great passes by Bottas, Webber, Button and Alonso, three of them in the S1 esses.

        Brazil can’t offer up a dud, can it?

      4. Rodrigo Martins says:

        Honestly ? When they change the 2013 tires to 2012 tires basically they gave the championship to vettel…
        Hopefully in Interlagos the race will be more interesting… Lets pray for some rain..

      5. Ricardo says:

        Is that what it was? How funny, I though Vettel was leading the championship since the second race in Malaysia and, but for a gearbox failure in Silverstone while leading, Barcelona marked the last race he came behind vice-champion Alonso. But you are probably right of course.

      6. Alexis says:

        We need DRS though. The first laps after the safety car saw nothing happening. Imagine if that was for the entire race. The only action yesterday was thanks to DRS.

      7. I know says:

        People have such short memories. At the beginning of the season, tyres were tricky, and drivers and fans seemed united in lambasting Pirelli, asking for tyres that would allow for real racing. Now that Pirelli finally buckled and gave us tyres that are a lot more manageable, you’re again complaining that, thanks to Pirelli, races have become to predictable with Vettel winning.

        You really seem to have a short memory. And you are putting the blame with the wrong company – whichever tyres they make, it’s the same for everyone. Ask Ferrari or McLaren why their cars cannot do what Red Bull and Lotus apparently can.

      8. H.Guderian says:

        If they were leading, why were they moaning so hard about the tyres??? And why they stopped moaning when Pirelli gave them the tyres they needed??? (changing the rubber and not only the inner belt).

      9. Wayne says:

        Welcome to the era of F1 getting exactly what it asked for. The entire world MUST have had enough of this by now surely? I’ve watched for 20 years and am at the point of calling time on the whole thing.

        The race leader was told ‘it’s more important to go further than it is to go faster’ by his race engineer. This for me sums up what F1 has done to itself – that’s not a recipe for F1 as it should be or F1 as I want to see it. It actively costs money for me to watch F1 every month and it’s not a price worth paying anymore.

        We have perhaps the best all round field of drivers in the history of the sport all on track together right here and now and someone somewhere should be arrested for utterly wasting what should be the most amazing spectacle ever in motorsport. The perfection of VET, the aggression of HAM, the intelligence of ALO, the relentlessness of RAI, the delicacy of BUT and a fleet of ever improving midfielders led away by the likes of DIR and HUL (who may not even get a drive next year!). How has F1 managed to do this to my sport with a field of drivers like that? They have different styles, strengths and weaknesses but they are all superb and thrilling to watch given the right circumstances. The right circumstances should be: letting them drive a car as fast as they can while keeping it on the track!

        F1, you should be utterly ashamed of yourself – I know I’m ashamed of you. You’re wasting time! These drivers will not be around for ever! You are robbing us of a chance to see these guys do what they were trained to do – you’re using racing horses to plough fields!

      10. bushy66 says:

        +1 my thoughts exactly, after 20 years and missing only one race……

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      13. F1 Fan says:

        Well said Wayne, well said indeed.

      14. Crom says:

        Have to agree – after 20+ years I’ve lost the desire to watch races. This current formula has killed it for me.

        I sincerely hope the 2014 regulations make for a more genuine championship.

      15. I know says:

        @James Allen, I wonder how your site visits compare from 2012 to 2013 – if possible, race by race, as the seasons progressed? Perhaps you can shed some light on whether we really are losing interest in F1, or if we are just moaning because our favourite drivers aren’t winning.

      16. James Allen says:

        Growing by around 20% every month, so much bigger now than in 2012, is the simple answer

      17. Blaize says:

        First time this season I stopped watching the Race and just browsed the net with it on in the background.

        F1 has destroyed itself and if it wasn’t for the greed of everyone not willing to sacrifice abit of their share then it could easily be solved.

        The Aero rules need to be bought right down, way down. Excessive downforce has stopped cars from being able to overtake.

        Budget. The budget for these machines needs to be slashed greatly. When we are hearing a team as fast as Lotus is struggling to remain in the sport then there is a MASSIVE problem. This maybe the pinnacle of Motorsport but that doesn’t mean it needs to be done with lots of cash. The men and Women who design,build and race these cars are the best in the world so put constraints on them financially, it should allow their talent to shine brighter.

        But the big teams like Mclaren,Ferrari and Red Bull are unwilling to make such measures as they don’t want to risk losing their place amongst the sports elite, which right now they are practically guaranteed because they have more money to throw at it. Only time their not at the top is when they mess it up like McLaren have this year.

        The sport is run just like most governments where the only thing that keeps the wheels turning is money and the only factor at play is self interest.

        Vettel is a great driver but he won’t be remembered with the greats of history not because he can’t compare but because he will be forever deemed as fortunate. A case of right car and right time. He’s a talent who will be overshadowed by his car and until he does it in a car not designed by Newey and even outside of Redbull then that will be his fate. Its a huge waste for a driver who provided easily the most impressive drive I’ve seen at Monza 2008. He’s very very good but he needs to challenge himself. At the very least he needed a Kimi,Lewis or Fernando as his teammate and not a Ricciardo. Whom will hold no challenge to him at all.

      18. Ian says:

        You summed it up perfectly!

        F1′s current predicament is very reminiscent of the situation in boxing a couple of years ago where arguably two of the best pound for pound fighters of all time (Floyd Mayweather Jr and Manny Pacquaio) were at the peak of their powers – yet instead of them meeting in the ring and making boxing history, the fight(s) that the fans were crying out for never materialised. Thanks to petty squabbles over money, drug testing and egotistical management putting their own interests over those of the paying public, we were robbed of a potential all time classic match up.

        It seems to me that we’re seeing the exact same thing happen to Formula 1 – the near-sighted governing bodies seem too preoccupied with their own selfish agendas to see the bigger picture. As you mentioned we have one of the greatest driver line-ups in the history of the sport, and yet we’re watching processional, predictable ‘racing’ that is making even the most dedicated fans reconsider their loyalty to the sport. We’re seeing potential superstar drivers like Hulkenberg struggling to find even a mid table team to utilise his obvious talents. We have races dominated by tyre preservation rather than thrilling racing; a lack of TRUE overtaking manoeuvres; an array of new tracks with no personality or charm, and what a sad state of affairs it really is when a drivers’ financial clout is more appealing to a top team than his ability behind the wheel.

        As much as I’m disillusioned, I am a true F1 afficionado and my complaints only stem from my sadness at what we COULD be currently witnessing. I have a few simple suggestions (that I’m sure the people running the sport have no intention whatsoever of implementing)that I think might help:

        1. Bring back refuelling!! (2007 / 2008 were classics due in no small part to having cars on track with totally different strategies and fuel loads, and therefore closing speeds)

        2. Give Hermann Tilke his marching orders! The sooner we have more tracks like Suzuka, Spa and Silverstone, and less like Bahrain, Korea and Valencia the better…

        3. Put me in charge! I’ll sort it out. Realistically though, would be nice to have less politicians and more racing minded management.

        Ok, rant over :)

      19. Quade says:

        I have almost stopped watching F1. For the first time last race, I couldn’t be bothered to watch FP1 and FP2. The only reason I watched FP3 is that I mistakenly heard the recording of an F1 engine, and that awoke something primordial – perhaps, I might not even have watched the race.

        F1 has become horrible, a plastic thing with plastic drivers, plastic driving, plastic champs, plastic tyres etc.

        Its all a huge gimmick these days. Perhaps, I’m better off watch X-Factor or Celebrity Big Brother; they just might be more entertaining and they were genuinely designed from scratch to be gimmicks.

      20. James Allen says:

        It’s a great shame you can’t get to a race and see it close up. If you stood out on one of the Turns at Austin for half an hour, you’d change your view

        I think it’s how it comes across on TV. In the flesh there are some special things going on!

      21. Daniel says:

        My sentiments exactly. I also pay a lot to watch the sport.

      22. NK says:

        “you’re using racing horses to plough fields!”

        Well said Wayne. Worse that we now have to subscribe and pay to watch this procession. Have watched every F1 race since I was a kid, but I am minded to cancel unless it improves.

      23. alx says:

        second the motion…. how can it be that (true) F1 fans have been preaching the “low to zero aero, more mech grip, free-er engine specs” gospel that would bring us back to exciting racing, and yet the powers that be take no notice???
        James do you have a view on this?

      24. JCA says:

        ‘Low to zero aero’? You are describing 1950s and 1960s F1. If you want to watch Formula Ford, then do so, don’t change F1 into that. Alternatively, you can try stock car racing or touring cars, anything faster will be dependent on aerodynamic grip.

      25. Martin says:

        It’s because Newey wouldnt be as nearly as effective as he is now and Red Bull run F1.

      26. alx says:

        And another thing…
        How can we accept a F1 where all we hear about the whole bloody race, from the drivers on the radio, the pits, the commentators… is about the bloody tyres???
        Honestly, please rename this comedy show Formula Tyre!

      27. Tom says:

        James I have been to a number of races down through the years but in the last 2 years its doesn’t interest me. I have even stopped watching the races, my only source of F1 is this website its now tuesday and F1 hasn’t attracted me to get the info until today. You were are an exceptional commentator and this website is the best.
        I have to agree with the many comments here that F1 is going in the wrong direction. Ian above made a good point, bring back REFUELLING, add decent tyres and then let the drivers drive on the limit.
        Years ago I would sit and calculate race strategy from the first or second lap based on speed, I was almost as good as Brawn shouting pit now, short fuel load and go racing. then with broadband I had much more information in the live laptimes. I can no longer predict any strategy and just watching is boring.

        I loved the wheel to wheel racing and the cunning overtaking manouvers, the strategy overtaking during pit stops, I would be on the edge of my seat adrenaline pumping. Its all gone. Does anyone else remember those days?

        For Vettels sake he needs to move and prove his ability with a struggling team as other drivers did.
        I looking forward to the return of Turbos hopefully it will rekindle “The Professor” in me!

    2. Basil says:

      Ditto! I hate to agree with that but I do. This race was a non-happening, Kimi did the right thing.

      If 2014 continues to deliver this poor kind of entertainment, then I, and many other I am sure, will say: goodbye Bernie.

    3. Tornillo Amarillo says:

      Cannot believe I watched it the same 8 times…

    4. Klaas says:

      Indeed, that was the most boring race of the season! Red Bull is not miles, but lightyears ahead of everyone else and it’s killing the sport! It’s getting a bit ridiculous now that Vettel has won Eight and will win nine races in a row and the most worrying part is, that he didn’t had to push in all of them so There’s even more speed in him and the car! I sincerely hope that next year McLaren, Mercedes, Ferrari and Lotus het theorie act together and can at least put up a fight! I’m a Ferrari fan, but at first I’m a F1 fan and F1 needs the other teams to take not one, not two, but ten steps ahead and up their game massively! Another Vettel show next year and I think I’ll start watching something else.

      1. Le Mister says:

        Ban Adrian Newey…. Isn’t it time he designed some boats? I’m sorry I said that! But It would probably make the competition better!!
        Having said that; Vettel is amazing this year, best ever. I don’t think his car was as dominant as in 2011. So congratulations to him!
        ….. but I do miss the maximum attack type of racing….

      2. xyler says:

        Most are Ferrari fans and this is why you nearly can’t read such comments about Ferrari when they dominated the F1 with MS.
        Or think about the absolut domination of McLaren with Prost/Senna (also dominated with Lauda/Prost).
        Had people such a problem as with RBR? Surely not! Why can’t so many peoply accept that not only traditional teams can dominate F1?
        Had so many people a problem with the money when Ferrari had very often largest budget?

        And for your information: Matschitz does not need to spend any money to RBR because of the success RB has already anough sponsors!

        The best win and you should not blame RBR that they are to good – blame the other teams how “bad” they are.

      3. H.Guderian says:

        BINGO!!! THAT’S THE POINT!!!
        McLaren had Prost and Senna. That WAS interesting to see.
        RBR, on the other hand, refuses to have two top drivers (I wonder why).

      4. xyler says:

        like Ferrari! When did they have two top-drivers? It’s long, long ago. It was only 1990 with Prost/Mansell. So Ferrari is not a shining example! Ferrari showed with Schumacher in an extreme way what they think about two top-drivers in a team (“let Michael pass for championship”).
        And before Prost/Mansell? I don’t know – but if it happened it must have been before 1970!
        When Prost came to McLaren he had a nr. 2 contract. But as the history has shown us Lauda/McLaren never insisted on his nr. 1 status. A big difference to Schumacher/Ferrari.

    5. Brad Withyman says:

      Why did Webber fall off Grojean so many times in the last 20 laps. I understand he chewed up his rubber at the end laps but at times he was losing a sec a lap and fell back. Then came back to within DRS only to fall back again. Any how we slk know whst Mark thinks of the rubber situation. ……like most. F1 has become BORING beyond belief.

      Well done Seb.

      1. BigHaydo says:

        Red Bull has told Mark to stay 2sec behind the car in front a few times over the last handful of races. Just the thing to make sure he isn’t in contention!

      2. AuraF1 says:

        I can only imagine Webber and Red Bull were concerned that Mark chews his tyres up and the Lotus generally outlasts them, especially on warmer tracks – so the plan was to keep cooling the car and tyres and set up for a late overtake when Grosjeans tyre advantage would be less of an issue – sadly for Mark by the time he was unleashed he couldn’t get it done and was sliding out on the hill with ruined rears ( also Grosjean showed a lot of maturity and defended cleverly only when he needed to).

        It was interesting to hear Adrian Newey say that if this was the Bridgestone era it would probably be Mark on the top step…he just doesn’t like these Pirelli tyres and has no feel for them, especially compared to his teammate who seems to just mesh with this rubber like a fetish…

    6. krush666 says:

      it was really boring. i do not know if this is because of the Austin track layout.There were few actions but nothing special, few overtakes. I think F1 should try a bit harder in USA to win over US audience. Or maybe it will always be viewed as boring in the USA.anyways lets see next year.

    7. Ed says:

      Terrible race.

      Hopefully Vettel’s record will stand for all time, and we’ll never be subjected to such a one sided season again.

      I’m not sure this can be called “sport” at the moment.

      even the die-hard Vettel fans must be finding this boring.

      It’s only racing if its competitive

      1. xyler says:

        No it’s not boring. It also wasn’t boring when Stenmark dominated Slalom and Giant-Slalom for several years. There was a year when he won all Slaloms an Giant-Slaloms! And, what should have done Stenmark? Or should have been changed the reglements because of his domination – for example he must drive with package of 20kg? There are enough other examples (Nykänen (ski-jumping) Bolt (100m) and so on) in the world of sports and it happens ever and ever again that a team or person dominates. For me skisport wasn’t boring only because one person dominated.
        So you have two possibilities:
        You do not watch F1 as long as the domination of RBR lasts.
        Or you watch and moan.

    8. Jota180 says:

      Has it finished yet?

      The most exciting bit of the whole thing was watching one of the parade lap cars failing to get up the hill and rolling back towards the others.

      1. H.Guderian says:

        Did we have donuts this time???
        At least, the donuts are interesting…

  2. AlexD says:

    Phenomenal race.

    1. Surprised Vettel won from P1
    2. Also surprised Webber lost positions at the start

    Trying to remember what was then….too much happening. Aaaaa….I had to go and get a coffee, now remember:-)

    Hulkenberg is the real deal.

    Exceptional end of the season…so much is going on. This is what you expect from F1…a fight for the win…as you never know who is going to win. Incredible.

    1. Stuart Harrison says:

      Err, were you watching a different Grand Prix to everyone else? Or maybe this is just sarcasm…? :)

      1. AlexD says:

        Same race as you, I am sure. Have you not seen Vettel winning from pole? I am sure you would never suspect this to happen. Webber typically starts exceptionally well, so I was surprised he had this issue at the start this race. Great race from Ferrari, they are moving into the right direction with each race.

    2. MISTER says:

      I see what you did there :)

    3. BigHaydo says:

      You mean you never know who is going to finish 8th?

      1. Tarun says:

        It seems like vettel is racing only 1 driver who is his teammate. This season was great untill Pirelli came along with the new tyres and handed the championship to red bull.
        Every driver from the past 5 races or so is saying that they are trying to be the best of the rest. The top two positions are already assumed for long conclusion. This is even worse then the Schumacher era. And I hate it when sky commentators keep praising incredible vettel etc. I mean seriously I admit he’s a good driver but really no other driver Alonso Lewis Kimi etc can’t match him because of red bulls pace. All of these guys are mostly fighting to come third. Vettel can break all the records he wants but what’s the point when no one else can even fight him. Results are skewed in f1, if we look at other sports federers domination or usain bolts they all had an even playing field, same equipment etc. it is just sad for f1 that vettel had it so easy in half of his championship wins.

      2. John S says:

        As Vettel said himself, periods like this don’t last forever. And when things are more equal Vettel will still win because he is the best.

      3. darren w says:

        Really? Usain Bolt has the same equipment as every other athlete? His body is so unlike any other top sprinter it is almost exactly like an F1 season where one team has a dominant car.

        Bolt just also happens to be a fantastic driver, delivering his best performances on the biggest stages, under the greatest pressure. I was in the stadium in Berlin when he set both the 100m and 200m world records and it was simply amazing.

        His teammate Asafa Powell on the other hand, had a similarly superior “race package” for years prior to Bolt’s emergence but found a variety of ways to never deliver a World Championship or Olympic winning individual performance.

        For all the complaints about Vettel and how dominant he has been, his first and third titles were delivered in the most exciting ways possible at the last race of the season. If we need this type of finish every year to keep us sweet on the sport we really are fair weather fans.

        Lest we forget, F1 is also a constructor championship. The whole point is to see which team can produce the best car. How would we know that Adrian Newey, Ross Brawn, Colin Chapman, Rory Byrne or any of the other great car designers were actually capable of unless they produced dominant cars that their competitors just couldn’t live with. I don’t know about anybody else but these personalities and the cars are just as important to the notion of what F1 is as the drivers.

      4. I know says:

        I think the comparison between Vettel and Bolt is an interesting one: With Bolt, people come fully expecting to see him win, knowing that on a good night, he is pretty much unbeatable. When he delivers, they admire his perfection, but with every win, the stakes are raised that there may be an upset in the next big race.

        With Vettel, when he’s winning in similar style, we’re not applauding – instead, we complain when he’s rewriting the record books. Maybe as with Bolt, so with Vettel, when he wins, we should stop complaining, and realise instead that we are witnessing something really unique.

      5. Fada says:

        The First half of 2012 was a good reflection of just how good vettel is. That’s about the only time in the past 4 seasons that the front runners have had a very similar pace, with somewhat (a bit) durable rubber at their disposal. In that time, Vettel could manage only one win. Webber copped 2, Alonso had 3 (in arguably the worst car of the top runners). McLaren as usual kept self imploding, with shitty pit stops and an unreliable car. Vettel is not that good. He is in a rocket ship and knows how to drive it fast. He knows it himself that this will not last forever, as fortune changes all too quickly in F1, and soon he’ll be just like Jenson. I predict 2014 will be a close year between the Ferraris and the Mercs, with all these exhaust blowing nonsense out for good, I am keen to see how Renault and red bull will succeed next year.

      6. Craig D says:

        Everyone demanded change in the tyres though, and they were in truth a bit ridiculous. I recall one comment at the time saying, even if it allows Red Bull to be a rocket ship on harder tyres, at least it will be less artificial. So that’s what we got (and hence the increasing number of 1 stop races and status quo processions). There were quite a few nice overtakes going on but yeah, the race lacked any real spark.

        But it always seems a lose-lose situation with F1. When the tyres degraded rapidly and the races were more strategic and chaotic, you got more entertainment (albeit perhaps falsely one could say). But it wasn’t liked because it isn’t pure racing – especially people saying the likes of Mercedes and Lewis being compromised.

        So then you go to the situation where tyres are more durable and stable, which I guess is what one would normally expect from motor racing. Drivers have fewer conservation issues (Hamilton said he enjoyed his race since he could push with little issues for once), but it tends towards a more tiresome race.

        I think the real problem is that the tyres are used to try and bandage other problems with the sport. The real issue this season has been the competition not being able to match Red Bull. We had a one stop race last year but that was seen as good because of the battle for the win. I was the same problem when Ferrari dominated.

      7. AlexD says:

        That too. F1 is a very unpredictable sport. You have the fight for the title until the very last lap of the last race, especially this year and still do not know who will take the title. Amazing! The most exciting thing though is that drivers like Alonso, Kimi and Hamilton have equally good car to show their true talent and compete on the highest level. I also love the fact that regulations in the middle of the season such as tyre changes are never changed to help one team…. There are so many things to like about F1. Another thing to like about F1 is the fact that during the race I have 1.5 hours to clean my room, plan the next day, do something around the house and while doing this never miss any action.

      8. tarun says:

        Darren W
        is Bolt running with a jetpack on his back, or is he a superhuman, my point is that whoever comes into that race with him has a chance of winning, and he’s winning because of his talent and sheer hardwork and his mental edge over his rivals. Can you say that about vettel? I agree he’s in the zone for qualifying, but honestly the other quali specialist lewis, can he really match him car for car, no. whom did vettel beat on saturday, webber. This is why I said he’s fighting out his teammate.
        and what about federer’s domination, or the recent nadal one, do they all have the same equipment ‘yes’ it is their talent that is making the difference here, this is why you have the likes of nadal and djokovic fighting it out at every big tournament and bringing out an epic match up everytime they meet.
        We had that last year when Alonso really went up against Vettel and we saw some cracks or breaks of concentration in vettel too, take brazil for example. I dont proclaim that vettel isn’t a great driver, all I am saying is that his results are skewed because of his car, and its not fair when the likes of James allen or some other reporter compare him to a Messi, or a Federer in their sports I can see an individuals brilliance out in other sports but not always in F1, Aus 2013 is an example where Kimi did 2 stops as opposed to everyone else’s 3 including his teammate showed his brilliance.
        and please dont judge people if they dont have the same opinion as yours, we all watch f1
        I watch it for the personalities in the sport of the drivers and not the engineers, I know enough about f1 to know it is a complex sport but to be honest when we look back into history we only talk about eras of different driver rivalries not engineer rivalries.
        if it were to be left to engineers you can actually fit in a robot in the car and win 7 championship, I’m pretty sure no one is going to watch that. and I admit vettel hasnt had it easy in 50% of his championship wins and nor I m asking for a last lap final race finish either. this season F1 has got the balance wrong, which is a fact, Hembrey said in the summer if you guys us want to hand over the championship to Rebbull we’ll do that and that’s what he did. and this is what’s the problem we see now 8/8 wins only because everyone else is fighting for p3. this is no competition.

    4. H.Guderian says:

      8-) +1.000.000

  3. The Spanish Inquisitor says:

    Kova has lost his first opportunity.

    1. FWIW, if you reduce HK’s -1:35.0 by the (reported) 20 second delta for his second pit stop that results in -1:15.0 and slots him into 10th place bumpig JB down to 11th. Understood that there may be other variables – simply an observation.

    2. Rob01 says:

      Exactly what I pictured what would happen in the race, Grosjean fighting at the front and Kovalainen fighting in midfield and out of the points, Grosjean showed today how bad Kovalainen actually is, and as Flavio Briatore said after Kovalainen’s debut in Melbourne 2007: “utter rubbish”
      I really hope this is down to rustiness but on this performance if that was all he could do then Grosjean of today would have walked the title in that Mclaren 2008.

      1. JCA says:

        Um, did you miss the fact that he had to change his front wing and lost KERS? His start wasn’t great, but he hasn’t raced in a year (neither has their designated third driver, btw) then lost places due to lack of down force (due to said front wing). Of their reported options, only Hulk was a certainty to be better, but he turned them down, and even he can’t do anything with a malfunctioning car.

      2. Maxxus says:

        Hulk finally received his retainer from Ferrari, and graciously ceded P5 to Alonso..a true gentleman racer

      3. Agreed, you can’t judge KOV by just this race, I’m sure he had comprised set up leaning to qually pace not race pace as to qually higher gives a better chance with track position. I think as a sub he did well, better than many other subs in the past. Also he has never done a race distance on these tyre compunds and had to fully manage them race distance. It was never going to be a sure thing he would score points but it was a shame about the front wing change. He made a good effort and I think he will be have improved a little for next week as with his lack of track time in the E21 it can only become more familiar. He said himself he pressed a lot of wrong buttons, Lewis used to take his steering wheel home so he could practice learning all the buttons and settings, so only 3days to learn the full controls is pushing it in anybodys books.

      4. vdl says:

        Sure, but all in all at Lotus could have tested and give a chance to a young driver. I understand the whole Kovalainen is experienced blah blah blah, but experience it’s not enough if you are not fast. On top of that luck wasn’t on his side but what a blow.

      5. Rob01 says:

        He lost his KERS half way through the race and by that time he was nowhere, the front wing? Well its probably his excuse by saying the car had no grip.

      6. Ding wamage says:

        It’s Kimi’s car and even he’s been struggling with it for a while now. Lotus has the same problem as Red Bull: one car seems more reliable than the other.
        Also, Kovalainen is not exactly a driver with killer instinct, never was and never will be. He needs a lot of luck to do well. And it might help if he’d driven the car before…

      7. Darren says:

        I don’t think you can Judge HK on this race or even the next one. In this age of zero testing and very limited track time on a Friday it is very difficult for a driver who is not familiar with the car to adapt themselves. Look at Luca Badoer and Giancarlo Fisichella in 2009 in the Ferrari. Perhaps Badoer was a little rusty but Fisichella was doing well in the Force India and then was no where in the Ferrari.

        That said, HK was destroyed by Hamilton twice. None of Hamiltons other team mates have ever been beaten as badly as that.

      8. Gazza says:

        2008 and 2009 when Hekki lost badly to Lewis where in the refuelling era.
        The present tyre / fuel management rules do not suit Hamiltons flat out style. They favour the smoother less aggressive style of Button and Vettel.

  4. gpfan says:

    DOTR Was Grosjean, for me. Who would have
    thought a year ago that anyone would be
    saying that?

    Also, Mansoor Ijaz was just on Sky. He
    seems rather adamant that the Quantum
    investment will be in place in days.

    1. Stephen Taylor says:

      Ijaz has been saying that for weeks/months.

    2. Sebee says:

      Bet you a latte it won’t be in place. Just buying time.

      1. Tim says:

        I tend to agree with you, it seems obvious to most observers that the deal will not happen. Yet the team continues to pursue the ‘money’ as if it were real. Something else is going on here, I just can’t work out what!

      2. Sebee says:

        Hey Tim, I got this bike I have for sale and your friend from work sitting on the fence about buying it.

        Can you make a lot of noise about how with your next bonus you’re buying it, so I can tell the other guy that if he wants to buy it, he better act fast or the awesome opportunity to buy will be gone forever? Thanks.

        Is that what’s going on perhaps? :-)

      3. Tim says:

        Except Lotus haven’t got a second buyer/investor interested. At least they didn’t have until very recently, with Maldando and his sack of loot. Besides that’s such a basic tactic, surely these super rich high flyers aren’t suckered by something as simple as that, are they?

      4. Sebee says:

        You think just because they are rich they are special or smart? Many lucked into the cash and require constant ego validation. Like Ali G said…they need to big up yourself all the time.

    3. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      Grosjean for me too but well done to the Lotus team for doing what Ferrari and Merc cannot.

      Bottas was excellent as well, but why has it taken Williams so long to alter their exhaust system! I bet it’s another ‘but the computer said the aero stats were perfect’ case.

      1. H.Guderian says:

        Ferrari is having a hard time to beat SAUBER.
        We need someone to “tweak LdM ears”.

    4. Random 79 says:

      I for one believe him without reservation, but how many days are we talking here? 3482?

    5. Grosjean, Hulkenberg and Bottas were all very very good today.

      Mind you, Vettel should automatically qualify for DOTD.What a performance again.

    6. Olivier says:

      Yeah, what’s this thing with Grosjean?! Aren’t you supposed to get slower once you become a father??

  5. 0z1 says:

    Can not see the Yanks putting up with this tripe…. RIP F1

    1. luqa says:

      Indeed, especially the coverage provided by NBC was absolutely abysmal!
      I’d run away from F1 if that was the coverage I’d have to watch on a regular basis. It was by far THE worst. It had more commercials than race footage and the commentators were jabbering about all sorts of rubbish totally unrelated to the action on the track.
      AS for the race, a couple of good scraps that the producers seemed to ignore but were obvious from the online time screens.

      1. CaringForApathy says:

        We were getting the NBC feed as ours here in Canada as well and it was horrible. I couldn’t stand it during the pre-race anymore, changed the channel, and downloaded a Sky feed to watch.

      2. Keith C in NY says:

        Agree – pitiful, woeful, abysmal, incompetent, cretinous coverage by NBC. If this was just a “couple’a guys down at the pub” – well that’s OK.
        But they rabbit on clueless to what is happening in front of them – example they missed a pass (I think Kova was involved) and they were babbling on about the previous order as if the pass hadn’t happened… they ain’t even watching!! The most abysmal bit was after a commercial they come back with a sort of feature on VET while at the same time ALO and separately (iirc) RIC are involved in actual passes! Do we see that live? NO! We get Lin Diffy babbling on about VET compared to Prost with a stupid chart eliminating any view of the RACE!!??.

        While I’m at it let’s talk about NBC rubbish. I get NBC OTA and NBC Soorts Network. Any sign of the signature US event live Friday? Couldn’t find it. Saturday – no FP3. Qually – got to have that, right? Nope. We get poisonous tree frogs and college football.

        Horrible, horrible, horrible.

      3. Ronnie says:

        Watch the Spanish channel. It was non-stop live.

      4. Random 79 says:

        I know this is going to leave a bad taste in my mouth, but have you thought about subscribing to Sky?

        Ew yep, there it is…excuse me while I go and gargle for a bit :(

      5. Tim says:

        I have been a Sky subscriber for more than 21 years. I originally got Sky to watch F1, as the BBC did not show all the races and Eurosport covered them.
        I have no complaints :-)

      6. Random 79 says:

        Good to hear Tim :)

        To be honest in effect I also watch Sky with Martin, Crofty & Ted and they do an excellent job…but I get to watch it through Channel Ten in Aus which is FTA.

        So thinking about it I don’t actually have anything against Sky per se, I just hate the idea of anyone being forced to pay for something which I’m used to getting for free.

        In Aus are very very lucky to still have decent FTA and still have every F1 race (although not all in HD) and hopefully they keep it that way :)

      7. CYeo says:

        Brundle and Crofty were pretty hilarious in the US GP commentry.

    2. Sebee says:

      Actually, “Yanks” don’t put up much with open wheel racing at all. Maybe the way things are in US is the sign of the future?

  6. Anthony Mazzeo says:

    Yawn – I cant remember a more dull boring season than this – I cant even remember the Schumacher years being this mundane and processional

    1. Andrew M says:

      I think they were, but you at least could enjoy drivers pushing to the limit more than 20% of the race.

      1. Mansell Mania says:

        Shumacher used to push all through the race, get a 1 min gap or something then just cruise through the last 3 or 4 laps. He wasn’t told to slow down about 3 laps into the race!

    2. Sebee says:

      Refueling made things more interesting and dangerous I think.

      1. Me says:

        I think you meant to that refueling “didn’t” make things more interesting…

      2. Tim says:

        It made the races into a series of sprints. When it was dropped, they said it was a cost thing. In the context of F1, I wouldn’t have thought the cost of refuelling rigs was very significant. No doubt someone will correct me :-)

      3. Sebee says:

        You know…now that I think about it it js probably banned because it made the races shorter. Also probably some insurance costs for teams, tracks, freight companies we are not aware of.

    3. **Paul** says:

      The Schumacher era was more boring. Michael won with bigger gaps and there was virtually no overtaking lower down the field. If you look past Vettel then this season has had some cracking races.

      It’s a shame so many F1 fans seem to determine that a good race is only about who wins.

      I will grant that Austin was the most boring race of the year though.

      1. Kirk says:

        Completely agree, that era was more boring, but also that this was a boring race because anything happened in the midfield. I think that the fact we have more information today (pit radio, live timing and so on) makes everyone judge harder the races as they think that just today drivers don’t push the entire race, but I’m pretty sure that that has always happened in F1.

      2. goob says:

        The Schumacher years were great to watch – you could see the drivers pushing to the limit… what we have now, is utter garbage.

        F1 is a graveyard for racers…RIP.

    4. Fireman says:

      Oh, they were. You’ve only forgotten.

      Maybe it was the track too that made overtaking hard.

  7. Thread the Needle says:

    Well done Vettel, but as much as I like the track, this race summed up F1 racing in 2013

    Bring out the fuel rigs, decent tyres and let’s go flat out

    1. Paul Gill says:

      +1 to the above – watched the classic f1 from 2007 where Hamilton and alonso went flat out the whole race pushing each other on tyres that would take it and cars at the limit

      Totally fed up of “drive to the delta”, “conserve tyres”, “we’re not racing him let him go”, “I’ve got no grip left after a few laps”

    2. Right on! says:

      Could not agree with you more!!! Woke up at 5am in Brisbane, Australia, to watch this and went back to sleep after about 15 laps. Yawn!

      1. Richard Jackson says:

        Couldn’t agree more.

        I tried to get this going on the computer at work. Had it going initially but it failed before the race started. Looked at JA on F1 a few hours later and felt that familiar sign of relief that I didn’t miss anything.

        Seriously bored shtless with this format. It’s not just Vettel, as in if they had another on form driver it would be them instead. The concept of F1 drivers not going hell for leather just doesn’t sit right with me. I watched Indycar the other day when Scott Dixon (from NZ by the way ;-) ) took that out, and it was a huge breath of fresh air, despite only ever turning left!

        Tires that can’t race, no re fueling, reduced fuel loads, fake pass DRS options. Yes it’s been spiced up for TV, but it’s taken the heart and soul out of it.

        I really like and miss the discussions from a year back which said that with auto gears and antilock braking and traction control, you remove the possibility of mistakes, and even if you do have mistakes, they don’t result in enough of a time penalty for the car behind to get a chance.

        It’s a fine line to sort this out for sure, but presently you might as well watch the start and the last 5 laps as that’s the only time anyone will actually be racing in present day F1!

    3. TGS says:

      Agree, Webber said the same too.

    4. Flyboy says:

      This “race” was a convincing argument for banning all of the aero tweaks and mandating flat bottoms and spec wings. Bring back mechanical grip, decent tires ad then let them race.

      1. JCA says:

        Maybe you should give Indycar a go. It’s pretty much what you are describing, though they also have a spec chassis. What sets F1 apart, is that it is not partially or fully a spec series.

      2. RapidRick says:

        Well said Flyboy!

      3. goob says:

        That is the correct choice… you can bet F1 will screw us all and go in the other direction, or come up with bandaids like DRS to fake it.

    5. Le Mister says:

      yes, please!

  8. rome says:

    Some stats as of today… all percentages in relation to number of GPs.

    Wins per GP
    1. 36.5 % MSC without comeback
    2. 31.4 % VET
    3. 29.6 % MSC including comeback
    4. 25.6 % Alain Prost
    5. 25.5 % Ayrton Senna
    ? 17.2 % HAM
    ? 14.9 % ALO

    Poles per GP
    1. 40.4 % Ayrton Senna
    2. 37.3 % VET
    3. 27.3 % MSC without comeback
    4. 24.2 % HAM
    5. 22.1 % MSC oncluding comeback
    ? 10.2 % ALO

    Titels/Championships per GP
    1. 3.4 % VET
    2. 2.8 % MSC without comeback
    3. 2.3 % MSC including comeback
    4. 2.0 % Alain Prost
    5. 1.9 % Ayrton Senna
    ? 0.9 % ALO
    ? 0.8 % HAM

    Not too bad for a 26-years-old VET. Future will show if he can keep up with his impressive stats.

    1. Stuart Harrison says:

      As ever, the stats only tell half the story – you have to be in a winning car and VET only spent a single season out of a championship winning car (arguably the 2009 car was capable of taking the championship if not for the early lead Brawn had put in).

      Cars also seem to be far more consistent nowadays, with retirements somewhat of a rarity. Senna, Prost, Schumacher, et al frequently had to deal with those which affects the stats as well.

      Regardless, Vettel is rewriting history. Quite how long anyone will continue to care is another question entirely :)

      1. Jolgas says:

        “Regardless, Vettel is rewriting history”

        Surely you meant Adrian Newey?

        Anyway unless you are a SV fan, this is not entertainment.

      2. Me says:

        “Senna, Prost, Schumacher, et al frequently had to deal with those which affects the stats as well.”

        During the turbo era? Where cars would quite often run out of fuel?

      3. **Paul** says:

        Whilst that is true, when you start to look at percentage of titles won from the cars that provided an opportunity (thus including 2009 for Vettel) then Vettel still tops the list. He’s won 4/5, Lewis has won 1/3 (arguably 4), Alonso 2/4.

      4. KRB says:

        I’d assume your 1/3 for Lewis was 2007, 2008, and 2010. 2012 the car was good, but reliability killed it. Lewis had 190 pts last year over 20 races; he has 187 at the moment over 18, in the why-would-he-leave-McLaren-to-go-there Merc!

        Alonso’s opportunities would be 2005-7, 2010, and 2012, so 2/5 I’d say.

    2. Rodrigo Martins says:

      The cars nowadays are a lot more reliable. Except Webber’s car!

      1. Fireman says:

        Well, that’s fixed next year. Although there can be many malfunctioning Porches :D

      2. Random 79 says:

        Nah, they don’t have KERS…do they? ;)

    3. Random 79 says:

      Did someone fire goferet while I wasn’t paying attention?

      1. Simple says:

        Haha, I was wondering the same thing!

      2. Fireman says:

        He probably watched the race and hasn’t woken up yet.

      3. Rishi says:

        Haha I wondered if he’d decided to change his name! Would make more sense if this had been enforced by a sacking as well!

    4. Will Rowan says:

      …. for the sake of completeness in those tables (& not to detract from your point!)


      Wins/GP: 27 from 99 starts 27%
      Poles/GP: 17 from 99 17%
      Titles/GP: 3 from 99 3%

      1. iceman says:

        That still leaves the list far from complete :)

        The top 3 on % wins should be Fangio (46%), Ascari (39%) and Clark (34%).

  9. Anil says:

    I have to admit I’m getting incredibly tired of these Pirelli tyres. If i see a driver close in another and then told to ‘think about the tyres’ one more time I think I might lose interest in the sport completely because this season it’s just been horrendous.

    Congrats to Seb and a big congrats to Hulk, Bottas and Alonso too. Alonso once again takes second in the WDC which is hugely impressive given the pace of the car.

    1. JustGuessing says:

      I hear you Anil.

      F1 has been on a death spiral since tyre management became the be all and end all of the ‘sport.’ I watched the first 10 mins on the BBC and then switched off, the result was predictable.

      I imagine the powers that be in the sport are pinning all their hopes on next years changes. Let’s hope they’ve got it right and we’re not to witness another season of tyre this, tyre that championship.

      1. Random 79 says:

        Apparently Pirelli have given the FIA something of an ultimatum and almost certainly will produce durable tyres in 2014.

        If this is true it will be interesting to see what people are saying about the racing right around June / July…right before they change the tyres again anyway ;)

      2. Tim says:

        Is that true, or are you just saying that to try and cheer us all up :-)

      3. Random 79 says:

        I couldn’t say for certain if it was 100% true – I guess it depends on how much you trust Autosport – but here’s the article I stumbled into:


        If it is true then personally I don’t blame them one iota for taking this position.

    2. BigHaydo says:

      This mentality is ruining wheel-to-wheel dicing as much as the DRS zone. Everyone so focussed on the end game that the first stints are totally lacking while everyone beds in their tyres. Guess what strategists: this is where Vettel gets his break! It’d be good to see some of teams send their #2′s on the softer tyres and lighter fuel to at least take the fight to him and hold him back for later on!

      1. Random 79 says:

        Did you actually watch the race?

        I’m not going to make out like it was the most exciting race ever (it wasn’t) but there was definitely some great wheel to wheel racing, particularly from Bottas on Gutierrez.

      2. BigHaydo says:

        I did watch the race – I watch all of them! Unfortunately these wheel to wheel moments were all too fleeting – or DRS-assisted – and certainly not for the lead.

      3. trev says:

        Yeah. I can’t get enough of wheel to wheel action in the battle for 8th.

      4. Anil says:

        Bottas on Gutierrez was a great move but it was lost amongst the whole ‘look after the tyres’ debacle. He deserves plaudits for that drive though, his pace was fantastic.

        Also, COTA is overhyped and the whole circuit is literally designed around DRS. It’s a better than Korea but still, the design does feel so forced at times, with a quick sector, a straight for DRS passes and then a technical sector.

        I mean, I LIKE it, but I don’t love it.

      5. Fireman says:

        Easily the overtake of the day by Bottas.

      6. Random 79 says:


        OK, fair point, but take it any way you can get it :)

  10. CYeo says:

    Webber did a runner after the podium interviews. Mario must be so disappointed to not get that photo.

    Excellent race by Grosjean, he really gets to stamp his standing in the Lotus garage now, irregardless of who partners him next season.

    Soaking up the many attempts by Webber to get past and making few mistakes on his way to 2nd place really shows the difference between this and last season.

    1. Bryce says:

      Toilet calling for Webber? He certainly wasted no time in getting off the podium and seemed to be contorting his body a bit whist the others were being interviewed.

      1. Maxxus says:

        word is Vettel spiked Mark’s pre-race meal with hot sauce direct from Tex/Mex.

      2. BigHaydo says:

        Either that or he knew he would be in trouble for mentioning the P-word (Porsche) and was attempting to leg it!

  11. Mikeboy0001 says:

    Congratulations Vettel, Grosjean, Hulkenberg, Perez and Bottas
    I just hope Maldonado doesn’t get an F1 seat in 2014, no matter how big his money bag is
    What an arrogant and rubbish driver
    I get sick every time he gets on camera

    1. Grant H says:

      +1 ref maldonado

    2. gsalas says:

      I really hope that Maldonado will never be seen in any racing or sports series ever again.

      Just like 3rd world dictators, blame their fails on some mysterious “conspiracies” and “sabotages”. I’d bet that he was advised to say that.

    3. BigHaydo says:

      +1 on Maldonado. Funny how he criticises the team for the disparity in performance to his team-mate, when I suspect that the PDVSA money meant that this favoured him more than a few times against Barrichello and Senna…

  12. James – Is there any good reason that Williams won’t be replacing Maldonado for the last race?

    1. Grant H says:

      Sponsor money!

  13. Andrew M says:

    A good day all round for virtually everyone in the top 10:

    Vettel – Record breaker
    Grosjean – Best equal result
    Webber – Probably the most disappointed, but still on the podium in his penultimate race
    Hamilton – Good team result, 2nd place seems to be assured now
    Alonso – Made good progress after a difficult start, could have been a lot worse
    Hulkenburg – Another strong drive
    Perez – Strong drive in the face of a difficult week, outpaced Button all weekend
    Bottas – Strongest complete weekend yet, culminating in a points finish
    Rosberg – Fought back with some points after a poor qualifying, got to show off his overtaking
    Button – Similar to Rosberg, got something out of a weekend when he could have walked away empty handed.

    1. **Paul** says:

      Hamilton – Good team result, 2nd place seems to be assured now

      ? Alonso has tied up 2nd place thanks to his result yesterday. A massive result for Fernando really, overall I’d say their car has been 4th fastest this season, behind Red Bull, Mercedes and Lotus.

      This is why I rate the guy so highly. To beat the likes of Kimi, Hamilton, Rosberg and Webber in a lesser car? That’s just plain incredible.

      1. Alexander Supertramp says:

        The Ferrari was arguably faster on sunday than the Mercedes in the first part of the year. But yeah, Mercedes has been quicker for some time now.

      2. KRB says:

        Without doubt the Ferrari was faster than the Merc on race pace from AUS-ESP, CAN, then also from BEL-SIN. Japan was pretty even, while the Merc’s been faster in the last 3 races.

      3. Andrew M says:

        I meant second for Mercedes in the constructors. And I think Ferrari, Mercedes and Lotus were all pretty well matched over the whole year.

  14. Rajesh Kallur says:

    James, what changed between qualifying and race that you now say that Hulkenberg will likely find himself in a Sauber next year? I do hope what you said about Force India getting close to a deal with him happens.

    1. JCA says:


      With Ferrari and Renault reportedly struggling (Ferrari asking for fuel limit increase, Renault for rev limit increase), Force India may be a better seat than Sauber, and even Lotus.

      1. KRB says:

        Renault wants a rev-limit increase? That’s odd, as I recall them stating that they would run with a by-design limit of 12.5k instead of the 15k allowed.

        Another all-Renault podium on Sunday … that might be the most 1-2-3′s in a season by an engine manufacturer. And people still try to claim the Renault engine is a dog …

      2. JCA says:

        Yes, according to Kate Walker of ESPN:


        I also think the engine thing is overblown, though the early Renault V8 was pretty bad until they got permission to improve ‘reliability’. Their advantage is in fuel economy, so they start 5-10kg lighter, but are vulnerable late in the race when fuel is equal and the bhp disadvantage comes into play.

  15. Nick says:

    Hulk should stay at Sauber next year, then slide into the Ferrari seat once Alonso moves over to McLaren in 2015….might be better than signing on with Lotus.

    Also, so happy for Bottas and Williams…especially after the ridiculous comments from his teammate. He thoroughly deserved them with his performance, totally looking forward to him and Massa next year.

  16. Sri says:

    I’m glad that this race I had to miss due to prior commitments. I could watch for the first half-hour and the final result was not every different from what the status was then. I’m sure a couple more years like this the declining trend of popularity of USA race amongst the fans will make it nonviable (only immigrants are making up the audience to a great extent). Compare this race to what American get in NASCAR. F1 will be a poor cousin of NASCAR in USA if the status of the race in first 25% will be same as the final 100%.

    1. Yak says:

      It’s always interesting reading comments from people about how boring the race was when they didn’t even watch it.

      1. Sri says:

        I watched more than 25% of race and if the final result was same as what was at 25% of completion, then what did I miss? Oh the pit-stops? Well I’m not alone in saying this race is boring. Just read all the above.

      2. Rockman says:

        But it was boring!

        I used to defend Pirelli a bit, but this tyre nursing rubbish is completely destroying everything. I was looking forward to this race and was completely disappointed…

        Pls come back Bridgestone or Michelin

      3. **Paul** says:

        Pirelli have gone too far, and this was with last years harder tyres !

        What I absolutely do not want to see though is the return of Bridgestone tyres that run all race long. How many classic races did we have in that era? None? We used to have races were you could count overtakes on a single hand.

        The current formulae isn’t perfect, but it’s a damn sight nearer than it was during those bridgestone times.

      4. Torchwood Five says:

        Agreed. I readily acknowledge that I cannot comment on the two thirds of the race that I was asleep for.

    2. Jorge says:

      Yeah, jimmy Johnson has won 6 of the last 7 Nascar championships, great difference!

      1. Maxxus says:

        difference in NASCAR the poits scoring are different, you receive points for pole, finishes, as well as laps led, so someone not so dominant as Vettel can win the championship based on consistent finishes (although Vettel would have won regardless this season). F1 should consider a format such as this to make it less boring, instead of a ridiculous thought couple of years back with Olympic Medal.[mod]

      2. Sri says:

        It is not the winner that we are talking about. The lack of action for all places – even autosport has an article on this (so does Mr. Hughes). So yes, there is a big difference.

  17. F1ONA says:

    Congratulations to Vettel & RBR, but come on the rest, it’s just BORING!!

    1. David says:

      Everyone blames RBR and Vettel for being boring, but I agree. It the rest of them that need to pick it up.

    2. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      Look beyond Newey…

      Alonso and Rosberg pulled off some cracking overtakes.

      Maldonado and Sutil tried to re-enact the famous Barcelona Senna v Mansell side by side race. They just needed some titanium skid plates to get the sparks rather than direct contact.

  18. Laurent says:

    Ummm… Ascari won 9 in a row. And that’s the official record.

    1. James Allen says:

      Not in one season…important detail, spelled out in the text..

      1. Laurent says:

        Ah, you are right. I stand corrected.

      2. Veteran says:

        And he skipped a race…
        Which still makes it 7.

      3. Benalf says:

        Who cares is Vettel wins 8, 9 in a row. Those RB cars are on a league on their own and to make things easier to Seb, Mark made mistakes in Q3 and then during the start of the race. It was clear after lap 1 and after the SC pulled out that Grosjean didn’t have the pace to challenge him. No brainer RB will also win Interlagos, tremendous achievement for the team, giant wake up call for the other big guns to step up their game in 2014.

      4. Tim says:

        They only had 9 races in a season in Ascari’s day?

    2. Stephen Taylor says:

      Also Ascari didn’t score 9 in a row because of the Indy 500 which up to 1960 (inclusive) was a World Championship event.

    3. zx6dude says:

      I have heard that there is some debate around the 9 consecutive wins, that because he didn’t do Indy 500 (I believe) and that was part of F1 at the time

    4. Rob01 says:

      Don’t worry 9 in a row is coming next weekend, and all in 1 season…

      1. Maxxus says:

        doesn’t matter, Ascari won those races in sequence (although many of the European drives in that period) skipped Indy because the formula was different in the 50′s and was not equitable. Anyways, Indy is not i the F1 series, so regardless, Ascari won in two seasons a streak, which in the second year 1953 was in the same old model from 1952, unlike today. There were no evolution of past season model. This was common throughout the 50s, 60s and even the 70s. Mario Andretti won 1978 WDC starting that season with the Lotus 78 (previous year model, 1977). It wasn’t until the 6th race of the season when the pioneering Lotus 79 (new for 1978) was introduced. Think Vettel or Webber can race last years RB8 in the beginning of the season without serious modifications. Why do you thinks mario held a HUGE grin while he interviewed Vettel, he knows it was not a big accomplishment in these days.

      2. JCA says:

        F1 drivers, past and present, must be the biggest liars to have ever lived. All of them praise Seb, but their ‘facial expressions’ tell the truth, dammit! Or could it be that they genuinely rate him and ‘fans’ are projecting their own feelings onto them?

      3. Hutch says:

        Unless he gifts Webber a win in his final race…

        Nah, you’re right, 9 in a row.

      4. Phil Glass says:

        I think Webber is sort of counting on the team gifting him that one …. a kind of farewell gesture …..

      5. Alexander Supertramp says:

        Never going to happen. Mark could win, but he’ll have to do it himself.

  19. Alexis says:

    The problem isn’t just Vettel winning every race, it’s the 75% of the race where the drivers daren’t push because of the tyres.

    1. Ealdfrith says:

      Can’t help wondering how Pirelli puts up with it, the damage this must be doing to their image!

      Apart from that, if I were Lotus I’d much rather sign Perez than Maldonado, he’s got a strong financial backer as well and at least he can drive.

      1. Mikeboy0001 says:

        Yes, I thought of that too
        I would rather see Hulkenberg in Lotus, but if money is the issue, Perez is a much better choice than Maldonado, as Perez is a good driver
        Maldonado will ruin the team, or at least, will ruin my heart for the team

    2. Stuart Harrison says:

      This! Let’s not forget Canada 2009 which is the race that the Pirelli tyres were trying to reproduce.

      I suspect that the chaos of that race was due to the unexpectedly high wear. Sure, you can create tyres with high wear, but teams will learn to extract the most out of them – by driving slowly.

      Net result? The racing is as dull as ever nowadays! The fact that Mark Webber, in a car nearly a second a lap faster than Grosjean, with the aid of KERS and DRS couldn’t find a way past goes a long way to explain how much in F1 has changed, but how much is still as it ever was.

      1. Andrew M says:

        Canada 2010 :) I was at that race, and it was nothing like what Pirelli have created.

      2. Me says:

        I think you’ll find it’s the majority of the so-called fans that are dull…

    3. zx6dude says:

      agreed. not the type of racing I want to carry on watching

    4. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      They should have brought the softer sets of tyres, forced the 2 or 3 stops. May have made it a tiny bit better.

      I wonder what the race would have been like with the original 2013 spec tyres (assuming the delamination issue would have been resolved of course).

  20. Bryce says:

    Some observations.

    Vettel seemed to be in awe of Andretti on the podium.

    Webber was okay off the start, but Romain has lightning reflexes. I think Mark might have had Vettel’s measure this weekend if not for the mistake in quali, as he seemed to be dialed into the car and is much happier on the harder compounds.

    Whilst he is not my favourite driver and I generally like the tyres mixing up the races, it is a big shame that we are missing out on seeing the true speed and wheel to wheel racing ability of Hamilton.

  21. Mike Martin says:

    Amusing article and very funny to read. With such a passionate sport like F1 it’s difficult to remain neutral even for a reporter.
    ” excellent move around the outside of Hamilton allowed the Australian to reign”
    I think I missed this one. Looked to me more like a pretty dull DRS move on the straight.

    ” Grosjean his fourth podium in five races, establishing himself as a top driver in current F1.”
    Little early for that title, Because he behaved like an idiot before and is driving normal now does not make him special to me. Let him first win a WDC before he gets a Top driver label. (Barrichello and Coulthard also did podiums, no topdrivers)

    Maybe you could have added:
    Button who yet did a poor WDC unworthy race and was beaten by his rookie teammate.(Maybe McLaren sacked the wrong driver?)

    Rosberg had a very weak performance all weekend and have lost the Qualification dual and has been beaten by his teammate on points for the 2013 season. (Who is new to the team)


    1. Tommy Johnson says:

      Incredible, a pretty cynical opinion.

      Out-braking the guy (who is a ‘late braker’) and keeping his foot in around the outside. You’ll struggle to find too many people that agree with you.

      Exactly, four podiums in five races. He has been against Kimi, who F1 folk regard highly. You cannot still climb over Grosjean’s back for his earlier mistakes, he has done plenty this year to prove his worth as a top driver.

      McLaren probably did sack the wrong driver, but they weren’t going to get rid of Button.

      1. Timmay says:

        I found myself agreeing with the entire post. You can’t label someone as one of the top drivers if they haven’t even won a single race yet (when their car spec has won a race in both seasons).

      2. Mike Martin says:

        On the straight you can only pass someone on the left or right, IN A CORNER you can pass someone on the outside or inside. Nice DRS move from Webber tho, Makes you wonder why this fella is almost 200 points behind his teammate.(everybody had bad luck,no need to discuss this here now)

        Grosjean is doing average against Kimi who is now in the hospital because of suffering from severe back pain. Kimi has 51 points more and has driven one race less. Kimi has defeated GRO on points for the second season in a row. How will they match up at the end of the season? Kimi destroyed GRO with a huge points margin(and 2 races less). Not a surprise to me. GRO is number 7 in the standings. That’s hardly a top drivers place. Not sure what your point is?

        Thx for your input tho, I value your opinion.

      3. Mike Martin says:

        Correction: Kimi did One race less, I forgot GRO was banned a race last year for nut case behavior.

      4. Joel says:

        Lewis’s late-braking advantage is no more, after he joined Merc.

    2. Elie says:

      A bit cynical but I agree in principal.
      - the margin between new and even 5 lap old tyres make
      Fast drivers look slow (& different cars manage them very differently). DRS makes it look easy, only Raikkonen is a true racer who can get you anywhere without it.
      - Grosjean for me is just a good driver. He is quick but wheel to wheel and attacking- he’s still shocking- attacking a sliding Kimi at Abu Dhabi on the outside was a perfect eg..
      - 100% right you are on Button!- he should be dropped like yesterday’s news. Mclaren lost Hamilton and now a beginner like Perez who has out performed him Yet again!!. Come on Whitmarsh pull JB’s head out your arse!
      - Rosberg has improved tremendously- but the newbie on the team is already better.

      1. Alexander Supertramp says:

        Have to agree on your Kimi comment. I think he’s the best overtaker in the field. Lewis, Fernando, Seb and even the likes of Jenson and Mark are very good overtakers as well, but Kimi is fearless and ice cold (calm) in critical situations. Clinical overtaker..

    3. Gul says:

      Agree wrong Mclaren driver got sacked!

    4. **Paul** says:

      “I think I missed this one. Looked to me more like a pretty dull DRS move on the straight.”

      In the exact same place that Lewis took the win last year from Vettel using a pretty dull DRS move after Vettel was blocked by a back marker.

      Ironically that was voted (by who I do not know) the overtake of the season last year.

      Overtake of the season should never feature DRS.

      I kid you not.

    5. Fireman says:

      Yes I agree that Grosjean is hardly a top driver yet. But if these kind of performances continue next year, I think Crashjean moniker must be dropped for good.

      Just look at Maldonado. He hasn’t learned anything.

    6. Phil Glass says:

      Of course HAM is not currently the “late breaker” that he was known to be once, and he would be first to admit that. Hope he regains his form soon.

      Webber -v- Grosjean: first on the breaks and last on the throttle, lap after lap, in the same car that Seb is driving!!!
      Really not impressed. I think he is expecting Horner to orchestrate a win for him in Brazil as payback for multi 21 [if he can keep get close to Seb, that is]. F1′s Supreme Moaner in his Last Race.

  22. mr sneff says:

    Congratulations to Vettel, he’s singlehandedly destroying my interest in F1, boring, boring, boring.

    1. Mikeboy0001 says:

      So you blame him for being, at the moment, a much better driver than the rest? Does that make sense?
      Isn’t it up for the others to catch up?
      And if you still think it’s the car, that anyone could drive it that good and fast, please pretend I never posted this comment

      1. dimitris says:

        Not anyone could drive the RB as well, but do you actually think that the other top drivers, Alonso, Hamilton and Kimi, would have done much worse in Vettel’s car this year? RB is by far the faster car on the grid with no weaknesses, they even were able to get the best straight line speed at Monza, fast in the slow corners, fast in the fast corners, stable, reliable, with excellent strategists. And, after the engine mappings of Renault, the car in in a league of its own. Just see the improvement of Lotus. Do not get me wrong, I think Vettel is driving better than anyone this year, but he would not have won the WDC in the Ferrari, the Lotus or the Mercedes. Alonso, Kimi or Lewis would have certainly won the WDC in the RB.

      2. Mikeboy0001 says:

        Yes, the RB is no doubt, the faster car, but only in the last few races has it been that much better than the rest
        In the majority of the season, the difference, in my view, was more down to Vettel
        One just has to look at the Driver’s standings to realise that, as Webber is 5th, and Kimi is not even racing
        And I also believe Vettel in a Lotus would have given Red Bull a much harder fight for the Championship
        Kovalainen was not that off Grosjean in qualifying

      3. MISTER says:

        Well Webber does, and he’s a pretty average driver and old on top of that. Look at that overtake that Webber pulled on Lewis..that RedBull is on rails if he had the confidence to go around the outside of Lewis at that speed.

      4. Mikeboy0001 says:

        Sure, Webber is so old
        It’s not like Fangio was a young 40 year old when he won his first championship, and 46 when he won his last!!!

      5. mr sneff says:

        I’m not blaming him for obviously having a better car than all the rest, but it does mean that it’s become a one horse race, which I don’t find particularly interesting.

      6. Mikeboy0001 says:

        But it’s not Vettel or RB to blame for doing a better job, is it?
        I don’t like a one horse race either, I’m not (or wasn’t) a Vettel fan, but one can’t blame other for being much better than the rest
        No-one blamed Bolt or Phelps for being that much better than the rest, did they?
        People who say it’s the car, the tyres or traction control, fail to realise the arduous and incredible job Vettel and RB are producing
        I don’t want them to slow down, I want others to catch up!!!

      7. MISTER says:

        Fangio did not experience the G-forces that the current drivers do now. The drivers back then had a full time job and were doing this on their spare time.

      8. Mikeboy0001 says:

        You are right, they didn’t experienced the same G-Forces wich strain the neck the most
        But in those days, controlling the cars was, overall, more physically demanding, as the cars where so hard to drive
        There where no customized seats, supporting headrests and not even seat belts
        Please check this Youtube video, where John Watson, an ex-F1 driver from the 70′s and 80′s, drives a Bugatti Type 35, and see what’s he got to say
        Start it at 13:45, and if you can, watch the whole video, as it’s worth it
        Fangio drove a better car than the Type 35, but the difficulties in driving it where very similar

  23. Matt H says:

    Any news on Vettels gearbox seal being broken ? I thought massa got penalised for this ? Probably me being totally wrong as prob a clause of some sort ?

    Just seemed a bit strange. Not sure if this actually happened just seen it reported.


    Well that was a strange one again the red bull in cruise control. Well done Seb. Once again Mark lacking the edge. Roll on Ricciardo, 2014 and the other teams to actually try turning up for work some days as frankly its like they’ve been on a years sabbatical they are that far behind. Good if your a red bull/vettel fan. Garbage if your a racing fan/f1 journalist trying to drum a bit of excitement into the remaining races. Someone roll a few doubles to bail bernie out and maybe bring his sprinkler idea to fruition cos the racings killing me! (Bar the couple of good o/t’s)

    1. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      They broke his gearbox seal so Webber could start from pole on the clean side of the track.

      It was decided after a meeting between Horner and Marko.

    2. iceman says:

      How much of the report did you read? The fourth word is “legally.” The article even refers to the exact clauses in the regulations.

      1. Matt H says:

        I did say I may be wrong. My point I was making was badly worded I probably should have said is there a clause to legally break the seal ? If so I was unaware of this and also I take it this must be done under FIAs watch. I never implied anything untoward had gone on merely we don’t hear too much of this so was trying to find the specifics as to what happened. Can anyone check the gearing provided the FIA approve ? Or do you have to suspect damage etc

        Just me being curious that is all iceman

      2. iceman says:

        Yes there are clauses in the regulations allowing the seal to be legally broken. “Article 28.6d of the 2013 Formula One Sporting Regulations” and “Article 9.5.2 of the 2013 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations” – it’s in the article you linked to! You can read the regulations for yourself on the FIA web site.

      3. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

        You have a valid point here, during commentary they implied the gearbox can be disassembled to check the cogs and the reassembled.

        No doubt it is legal, or Red Bull wouldn’t do it but it also sounds a bit like a maintenance overhaul, whilst in ‘parc ferme’ conditions post qually, pre race.

        I mean, put it this way, if all you can do is take a look then what’s the point in breaking the seal, so there must be some benefit such as cleaning the parts or realigning the cogs or deciding whether to replace parts and take a penalty. Why doesn’t everyone do it or is it a bit unsporting? Why Seb and not Webber, did he have an issue?

        Sounds like a grey area, throw him out of the championship ;) (joking, joking, put the keyboard down, it’s all good)

  24. Andrew Woodruff says:

    Thank goodness for the regs change next year, I may not bother watch Brazil.

    There should be no surprise I suppose, no team is going to waste resource on developing the 2013 car now, but the other teams barring Lotus should be suitably ashamed of their effort this year. Sky coverage noted that the points won by Vettel alone would be enough to have Red Bull ahead in the WCC. How ridiculous is that?!

    I hope the donuts at every race stop next season.

  25. NJB says:

    This formula is a pale imitation of racing.

    F1 has never been in such ill health and frankly I can’t bear to watch.

    1. I agree. I have watched for more than 40 years and at no point have I ever been this disinterested in the sport. I have watched only a couple of races this season and just relied on reading the reports after the event – only to pat myself on the back for not bothering to stay up late or get up early. If the new formula next season fails to set the sport alight with excitement then it’s done and dusted for me. Far more excitement to be had attending the local kart track – and it’s free!

      1. Me says:

        Good… glad to see the back of both of you.

      2. NJB says:

        Considering that Brisbane Bill & I have been fans of f1 for a combined total of 60 years, I think you should consider our opinions with a little more respect. Or is there no place for dissenters in the fiefdom of king Sebastien?

        You must be easily pleased indeed to consider what we are being served up with as entertainment. If you are happy to watch F1 slowly wither and die then please do so. I choose to speak out.

      3. Chris Chong says:

        We haven’t forgotten the Schumi era + grooved tyres and no mechanical grip, have we?

      4. No – just don’t want to waste time watching it all over again. Although, I never actually found Schumacher’s years that boring as there was also plenty of drama going on and the Max and Bernie show throwing up plenty of entertainment. And Schumacher moved the sport forward and I could appreciate what he was doing. Now, it is just dull and Vettel isn’t setting any new standards in sportsmanship, professionalism, physical conditioning, giving the fans what they want etc. He is just copying and setting records because of the lack of a cohesive competition.

      5. NJB says:

        I completely agree with Brisbane Bill’s comments regarding Vettel. I would also add that at least when Schumacher won his WDCs he was the best driver on the grid12. In the Vettel era the record books are a more accurate reflection of the best constructor than the best driver.

      6. Chris Chong says:

        I think that we all tend to look at the past through rose-tinted glasses – I remembered being bored out of my skull because Rubens wasn’t allowed to race Schumi.

        There are a lot of similarities with the present situation, and I dare say that Schumi was aided by the unlimited testing + Fiorano.

      7. Michael says:

        After the switch back to the 2012 tires, I watched 3 races, then half-watched another three and then just gave up. And I’ve watched F1 for over 35 years, never it was this boring.

        If next year starts out the same I’ll say goodbye to a sport a used to love even mmore than my own sport (athletics).

    2. Micchael says:

      You are so right!!!

  26. zx6dude says:

    Vettel is just on another planet, universe or dimension. Congratulations to Vettel and RBR. Outstanding job.
    Grosjean did a fantastic job as did Valteri and Hulkenberg.
    Great venue, great track, I hope it stays on the calendar for a long time. The marshals could do with some training on clearing out broken cars quicker.

    I hope the new rules make racing more interesting and bring a closer field, more wheel to wheel racing.
    Decent tyres should be a must for next season – we watching processions anyway, maybe introduce mandatory pit stops to compensate for a decent tyre that lasts – have 3 mandatory compounds at each race, that way teams would have to stop at least twice and would still mix it up. I would love to see the drivers being able to push the cars properly. Re-fuelling was great. I know, I know dangerous and all that. Quali tyres or at least sets of tyres for qualifying would also be great, that way all teams can have decent tyres for the race and you wouldn’t see people opting not to post a time in Q3. I don’t like to see races decided because someone managed tyres better. Tyre management is part of racing, but it shouldn’t be as intrusive as it is currently.
    Fastest lap should get points, fastest pit stop should get points. Teams that don’t post a time deliberately on Q3 should have points deducted.
    Just throwing some ideas around…

    1. CYeo says:

      Maldonado is also on another planet, according to Sutil.

  27. Grant H says:

    Hulk again my driver of day, really showing now he can mix it with the sharp end of the grid in a “car” which is probably 5-6 quickest

    I just cant believe he has not been snapped up by a top team, i cant even believe that there is a chance he may not have a drive

    Lotus will be fools to take maldonado,

    If that happens i would hope he stays at sauber for one more year then there will potentially be options at ferrari / macca

    Also worth a mention is bottas, i think he will one day win races too

    1. Mikeboy0001 says:

      Just to say I agree with you on Maldonado, and I think Bottas, in a good car, can even challenge for a Championship

    2. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      Sounds like Hulk has three drives on the table, based on Brundles Quantum chat, if it’s not just all talk ;) and based on Monisha K’s assurances of a Sauber seat for him:

      Lotus, signed and awaiting big middle east cash transaction.

      Sauber, whoops yes tell Hulk he still has a drive with us anytime. (and call Russia back again now, and find out which Sombrero jockey Slim Jr prefers, and check with Pastor’s lot it is 29 million euros with assurances of an extra 10 front wings) ;)

      Force India, contract done, will be signed by Hulk if Lotus Quantum fails.

  28. Jolgas says:

    Who won? Silly Question. As I said several months ago SV is bad for the sport. It’s not because he wins every race (with a car that’s in a different class) but because his behaviour inspires such negativity i.e. booing.
    Please let me know when F1 becomes a competition again. Otherwise I won’t be watching and certainly won’t be buying any RB drinks.

    1. Mikeboy0001 says:

      Yeah, anyone can surely see how having a great sense of Humor, expressing genuine emotions, sharing credits of victories with the team and making Donuts creates a lot of negativity with fans….oops, I guess you meant haters

      1. Jolgas says:

        Then why is he not more popular? He can win but will never be one of the real greats, for example Jim Clark. He has to gain respect from others and no one is fooled by what they have said about him in the press. Look at the body language the other drivers can’t’ stand him.
        And interest in the sport will decline with us facing more Schumaker years. It already has. If he was a true champion then everyone would be enjoying.

      2. JCA says:

        Jim Clark won most of his races from pole position and his Lotus car was the fastest of its time. You are projecting your own dislike of, and contempt for, Vettel onto the other F1 drivers, past and present, who have almost universally praised him. You are calling all these people liars, due to your extensive body language analysis. Do you have a professional qualification in body that field? They obviously don’t like praising Vettel, it is their job to beat him.

      3. Mikeboy0001 says:

        Unfortunately, times are different, and now envy plays more among drivers than respect.
        In fact, I’m a Hamilton fan, but always disliked he never gave Vettel enough credit for what’s he’s achieved. That’s just not being smart and not seeing the whole picture
        Obviously I would like to see more competition in F1, but it’s not with Vettel to be slower, but for the others to be faster, and also a keypoint Vettel excels, more consistent!

    2. Oletros says:

      And exactly what behaviour inspires negativity?

    3. Me says:

      …and the sport will be so much worse off without you…

  29. D Vega says:

    I live in TX, and this type of procession is exactly why I watched the race from home. Boring, just boring. I agree with what another poster said about refueling…bring it back.

  30. MISTER says:


    I was so excited at the start of the race, like to show America what F1 is, and what they are missing by not getting involved more and more. And then after the SC the boredom begin. It was just a train of cars following each other.

    I hate it when my colleagues at work try to make fun of me for waking up at 5am to watch the races in Asia, by saying that I watch some cars going in circle, but that’s what pretty much happened today. Terrible state that F1 got into.

    Is it just us James that feel like that? How do you feel about the “racing” these days in F1? Why don’t they change this? Are people in F1 scared to do something about it?

    1. James Allen says:

      What commentary were you listening to?

      1. JCA says:

        James, about the turbo engines, any news/rumours of Honda taking on a second team? Or are they planing to use the engines in another series, like WEC?

    2. James m says:

      Terrible state? How long have you watched f1? Its always been this way, we’ve actually had some good racing this year despite the one sided championship.

      1. MISTER says:

        Speak for yourself. The two of us have different standards of good racing.

    3. Sebee says:

      Sometimes you have to brake something so you can claim you fixed it. Perhaps that’s it?

    4. JCA says:

      They ARE changing things! The reliability next year should be properly diabolical, with all the changes and not enough testing . We’ll see plenty penalties as a result, so we’ll have faster cars having to come through the field.

    5. Maxxus says:

      hey I live in USA and have been following the f1 since I was a child..perhaps 1973……

      There are huge fans here..unfortunately in the 70′s we had Watkins Glen (bunch of rednecks burning cars and drunkenness) and Long Beach. These races were hugely popular. Unfortunately they both peaked in the late 70s early 80s after Mario left the formula. But (ask Balestre and Ecclestone) there was no money to be made as there was no leading American drivers less a few years from Cheever 1 or 2 from Bobby Rahal, and even Danny Sullivan. Pff

      there waere attempts in Detroit, Las Vegas, Phoenix, even Dallas. Point being..unlike Europe, the USA has feeder series, and a few migrated to race in Europe, lately Daly and Rossi. The problem are these kids have minimal support to an international level. Doesn’t mean they lack a talent. We see daily complaints and comments of the pros and cons of pay drivers. Same here, so sometimes, not always, it may be safe to run a national series, (and sometimes a secure career). Last American in F1 was Scott Speed in the Red Bull program. I recently commented on the young Russian kid, and everyone attacked me. Well last time and only time Red Bull on their Toro Rosso program who impressed was Seb. Ricciardo still we will see. And the skinny Russian…Red Bull sure makes correct decisions.

      Look at these names, as I digress:
      Vitantonio Liuzzi
      Scott Speed
      Sebastian Bourdais
      Sebastian Vettel
      Jaime Alguersuari Sébastien Buemi

      Beside Seb where are all these prospective well though out Red Bull proteges??

      1. rad_g says:

        Buemi is doing pretty well outside of F1. 2nd place in Le Mans this year.

  31. James says:

    After a lifetime of following f1 (I am 73 now) I haven’t watched the last two races or todays. Mr Vettel is a good driver along with several others. Its the car. They should all have to swap cars for each race then I am confident Vettel would not be champion. Anyway the parade to the finish has finished me I have better things to do.

    1. Sebee says:

      Can’t believe a 73 year old is picking on car superiority as reason to not watch. Is it first time you’ve seen such a thing in the decades you’ve watched F1? Seriously.

    2. Sebee says:

      And switch cars? Seriously, how unrealistic is that logistics and sponsor wise. Why would RBR pump millions into the car? To have Chilton bring it home outside top 10 after he drew a straw to drive it? These unrealistic points are not worthy of a long time fan like you.

    3. JCA says:

      Why should they completely change the sport now? No serious professional racing series works like that. It is hardly the first time that the speed of the car has determined who wins the championship, in fact it is almost allways the case. Could it be that people just don’t like the guy who is winning, so want to stop him by resorting to an unprecedented gimmick?

      1. D Vega says:

        Some of you guys have no sense of iriny or hyperbole. To be too literal is a crime.

    4. Oly says:

      Of course it’s the car. Moreover, SV and MW are not driving the same car (though Seb is better). Anyone who believes different is deluding himself.
      Well done, Mr. Newey you are true genius, I just hope that one day we’ll find out the truth.

      Congrats to Seb Vettel – the right man in the right place at the right time.

      1. Alexander Supertramp says:

        Hard to believe the difference between the 2 Rb cars. I hardly believe it myself, but the problem is that there is absolutely no proof to support your claim. My gut says you’re right, but that means nothing :p.

    5. Jolgas says:

      James “They should all have to swap cars for each race then I am confident Vettel would not be champion”

      I totally agree but why not have two races. One race for the constructors which is all about the car. Second race everyone has the same car! Then we would really understand who the best driver was. Oh please give us some excitement in F1. We all know that RB has the best car and that’s why they win races.

      Maybe RB/SV will win every race next year. Then what?

      1. Andre says:

        You don’t know what F1 is about do you!?

        Times like these now aren’t the first in the history of F1.

        Every team is trying their hardest every year to build the fastest car. All the teams want to be as dominant as RB is now. Its a competition to be the best and thats what they work hard for.

        The fact that F1 is boring for you is not RB’s fault, it’s the other teams not being good enough to make it difficult for them.

        “We all know that RB has the best car and that’s why they win races.”
        That is their job!! And you should applaud RB for being so good at it.

      2. Sebee says:

        Think it through. Your suggestion is not logical.

        And yes, I’d put my money on RB/SV in 2014 if I was a betting man.

  32. AK says:

    Apart from totaling the car Valsechi could hardly have done worse than Kovalainen. But it was the same story when he partnered Hamilton in the McLaren, he isnt made for a top team apparently.
    Some will find excuses like the frontwing and some KERS issues towards the end of the race but he was running ouside of the points even before these things occurred while his teammate was in second place all race long.

    Yeah i know people will also come up with its his first race for Lotus, give him time and so on and so forth but the point is he was chosen over Valsechi because he was expected to deliver straight away, there is no time, just 2 races. They wanted someone to produce results right away and not someone who needs half a season to get in tune with the car. Heikki with his years of experience made them believe he was that guy and didnt deliver on his promise.

    Boullier might as well give Valsecchi the car keys in Brazil. Sounds cruel for Heikki but it was also equally cruel for Valsecchi to get overlooked in the first place.

    Another thing, a Hulkenberg-Perez combo at Sauber for 2014 sounds good to me. Perez is obviously an improvement over Guitirez and Hulkenberg wouldnt win a WDC with Lotus anyway. If Renault has the best engine next year Red Bull has the know how, financial means and driver to put this engine to good use. As long as Red Bull is the defacto Renault works team it is highly unlikey to be beaten by Renault customer team Lotus. If there is the expected fallout within the Ferrari team next year Hulkenbergs time under the italian sun will eventually come.

    1. Tornillo Amarillo says:

      Bring VALSECCHI in!

    2. Sebee says:

      Have to say, I’m forced to eat my hopes. I was sure he would bring it home 6th or better. But reality prevailed.

      1. Maxxus says:

        agree, was a bit of a disaster to think Lotus relied on a pilot with so called experience and proven race craft. Well goes to show some of the teams (and fans) decisions are not well considered, but it was a chance perhaps others teams would have considered as well. I feel Davide should get the last race seat. Good luck Lotus

    3. j says:

      Agree with everything you said. Slim chance that Valsechi could have brought the car into the points but we’ll never know now. Hope they give him a chance in Brazil.

      It goes to show how many drivers are fighting over so few available drives that a team like Lotus can often act questionably and still attract top level drivers.

    4. Fireman says:

      Harsh, but kinda true. Before the race he said he’s mentally much stronger, meaning he couldn’t cope with the difficulties at McLaren at that time. I regard Heikki as one of these guys that could’ve made it with more proper timing. That didn’t happen and now it’s too late.

      More recent example would be Grosjean, except that he’s started to deliver against WDC winning teammate. It can swing both ways.

  33. Marsh says:

    Record breaking Vettel. I’m not impressed. That Red Bull car is in another category. It’s like a heavyweight boxer fighting a featherweight. What do you expect? Vettel is no Floyd Mayweather.

    1. David says:

      With all due respect, I think you are wrong. Every expert in the business has conceded Vettel is a great driver. I have to assume they know more than you. Vettel has the best car, no doubt. But that does not take away from the talent at the wheel.

    2. Oly says:


      I follow and watch F1 since eighties. I watched Ayrton Senna. I watched Michael Schumacher. Hell I even remember Niki Lauda in red car with No. 12 which I had as a kid (1:12 model).

      And I’m not sold on Vettel.

      1. John S says:

        And I’m not sold on Hamilton. He was fantastic in his debut season and has just gotten more erratic ever since. He then has a whole season where he couldn’t keep his personal life from spilling over to his racing, and then Jenson beats him in the championship standings.

        Just because he matched Alonso in his debut season doesn’t mean he stays that way. Why don’t you go ask who Lewis fought for the title with in 2008?

        Don’t be sold on Vettel he will deprive the field of titles as he should and won’t lose any sleep over the opinion of someone who has watched F1 over so many years and can’t open their eyes to greatness

      2. Tim says:

        I am not saying you are wrong, I think Vettel is an extremely good driver. But, ( you knew there was a but) did you see Vettel’s pole lap? He made several errors and still took pole which suggests a significant car advantage, and therein lies the problem. How do you/we know how much is car and how much is driver? Let me give you an example; if A Martian landed on planet earth at the start of the 2009 season and watch JB winning race after race he would conclude JB was the greatest driver on earth. If that same Martian watched JB this season would he reach the same conclusion?

      3. John S says:

        Yes, he has a car advantage and no I did not see his pole lap, only the first corner in front of my eyes (I was there). I heard his first two sectors weren’t that good.

        But remember, the car advantage is because McLaren ditched their excellent 2012 car and most rivals have focused on 2014 (after the summer break) Red bull continued to develop which it has admitted, thus leading to a larger performance difference.

        There were times when the Mercedes this season and Mclaren last season were expected to take pole and then Vettel goes and grabs it. Being in position is everything, like Alonso picking up many wins off the poor luck of Vettel and Raikkonen over the years.

        Your point is valid on Button, though it doesn’t apply exactly to Vettel. Button is more akin to Webber when the pressure is really on they buckle. The only difference was Button had many wins and an inconsistent driver in Vettel and team in Red Bull to go against in 2009.

        As Vettel said himself “these days won’t last”, and when his car isn’t so good everyone but the boo’ers will be convinced of his immense talent. For now though woohoo!

      4. Basil says:


        Fake talent for fake racing = Vettel

      5. JCA says:

        All due respect, but you don’t seem to know what talent F1 drivers need. It is more than just driving flat out, it is also adapting your driving style to what the car (including the tyres) needs. No one working in the sport think Vettel is a ‘fake’ talent. They all acknowledge that he is among the top 3 or 4 drivers.

      6. BigHaydo says:

        Same here. If there was another car that could match the Red Bull for quali and race pace, and he was forced to fight for his wins for 100% of the race distance and still prevailed, I would eat my hat. Everyone rates Alonso, Hamilton and Raikkonen, but at the moment they are further behind than their respective talents otherwise would…

      7. SteveS says:

        “Everyone rates Alonso, Hamilton and Raikkonen”

        Dream on, dreamer. These three have not even been better than their teammates this year.

      8. BigHaydo says:

        @SteveS – I’m dreaming, am I? Explain why the three drivers I mentioned are all ahead of their respective teammates in the championship? Surely that must indicate that on balance they have been better over the course of the season? Even a general consensus would put these guys on par with Vettel, and they would be far closer than the last few championships would suggest. I’m not exactly a card carrying member of their fan clubs either, but I can admit where the talent lies.

      9. JCA says:

        Do you believe Vettel has never won a race without the fastest car? You want 2 cars with identical quali and race pace, something that almost never hapens, and unless this ultra rare avent happens, you will never rate him? With these tyres, when the performance of the cars are close, cars that are kind on their tyres will have superior race pace, but struggle with tyre warming in quali, while cars that can warm their tyres well in quali are heavy on their tyres in the races.

        So in Germany, when Seb had better quali pace than the Lotuses, he had worse race pace. But he still won by driving perfect in laps, to prevent the undercut, and defended his position perfectly. If he had lost track position, he would have lost the race. Does this win not impress you at all?

        As an aside, I do find it interesting that other years in which a comfortably superior car has won the WDC, like 1992, ’93, ’96, ’97, ’98, 2002 and ’04, the driver gets full credit for winning. It is only Vettel that is undeserving and is apparently ‘killing the sport’, even though 2 of his WDCs were hard fought, 2010 due to losing 3 wins through reliability (yes, he made mistakes, but so did the other contenders), and last year the Mclaren was faster over the season, according to most experts. As for his other 2 WDCs, 2011s car was less dominant than the 1992 Williams, 2013 has been, at its best, about the same as the Williams. Yet, he is less deserving than Mansell, according to those who are prepared to eat their hats.

  34. Brace says:

    I gotta admit. I can’t get excited about statistics. It just isn’t as exhilarating as motoracing.

  35. gregmon says:

    Bring on 2014.
    YAWN again.

  36. bored now says:

    Glad I didn’t pay for Sky to watch the car designer championship. Good to see Alonso getting bored with tyre management and just going for the extra points. Nearly cost him in the end but didn’t. Hamilton seemed unimpressed by the tyre management issues as well. Why not give them free tyre choice and let them race? Give them all superhard tyres and tell them to race their wheels off.

    1. Sebee says:

      Car designer championship? I don’t even know where to start.

      1st. It’s always been.
      2nd. These are prototypes refined on nearly weekly basis.
      3th. This is F1! A formula for car design.
      4th. It’s Newey’s responsibility to contain ideas?

      Come on.

      Funny how you praise Alonso and Hamilton for not being able to get out of tires what RBR and Vettel get. Yeah…praiseworthy. FYI – Super hard tyre is also Super slow. Hence why softer tires set faster laps.

    2. Me says:

      So it’s not the fact that it’s boring, it’s more to do with who’s not winning?

      1. Fireman says:

        That’s how it goes. If it was Hamilton in the Red Bull, 90 percent of these comments would be praise on how good the lad is and how the aussie just can’t figure out his clutch.

    3. Joel says:

      It would’ve been nice if the commentators had conveyed the translated italian from Alonso to his engineer. If not, they shouldn’t play it – enough of the teasing…

  37. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    ROSBERG is eating his words, maybe was easier with Schumi…

    HULK could drive the Mercedes sooner or later?

    1. Rodrigo Martins says:

      I agree, i don`t think Rosberg is that fast. i think that mercedes seat should go to a driver like Hulk

    2. Alexander Supertramp says:

      Rosberg has been pretty good I reckon. But he has officially been defeated by a new team mate. Difficult to ascertain the effect of being new to a team, 2014 is an important year for Nico.

      1. Sid says:

        He will be further destroyed next year by his teammate. The car has not suited Lewis whole year but still he’s officially trounced the German.

  38. Andrew says:

    That was formula 1 that was on the tv right? Seen better racing at Crufts the dog show!

  39. Grant H says:

    Disclaimer – Now this going to sound like im downtreding what seb has achieved (and i do generally believe seb and RB have clearly done an amazing job to dominate 4 yrs)

    However if your going to break the record for most number of consecutive wins in a season, one would expect it to be easiest time to do it at the end of a season prior to the biggest rule change for 30 years where both titles are already assured – due to this teams completed final updates on 13 cars around korea time (approx) therefore meaning – without reliability or bad conditions (rain) or webber its pretty much exoected / no massive feat for seb to break this record


  40. Vasco says:

    This kid Vettel is killing the sport (and he is no guilty). i can´t remember an year like this one, even in Schumacher/Ferrari years. Jesus, this is so boring ! I´m 39 and i´ve been watching F1 since 1984.

    1. Benalf says:

      F1 has always been about one team dominating over one or more seasons. It seems several bloggers here have short memory. We were spoiled during the previous three seasons having a large number of winners and the uncertainty about who’s gonna win down to the very last race, even 2008 was very exciting in several different ways. Blaming RBR or Seb for the “borefest” is childish, blame Ferrari and McLaren, Merc that despite having huge budgets, and facilities they are not close enough to fight RBR on even grounds. Praise Lotus, Sauber, who are able to be there with the former and yet showing they can build a good car with a humble budget

      1. Vasco says:

        I think i recall years of overwhelming dominance of a car like 1988 (15 wins in 16, but with two top drivers, that’s a huge difference), or 1992, when Mansell was champion in August. Or some of the years of the era of Schumacher at Ferrari, as i said before.
        Unlike what happened in the previous examples – and that is a worrying difference -, there is a serious risk that Vettel stays in the field for more 10 years, at least. If Mr. Newey stays in F1 alongside him, Vettel is in “danger” of beeing a “Loeb Style” champion.
        It seems to me that this is not good for the sport.
        As i said, i do not blame Vettel or RBR, it is certainly a tier one driver, and they did their job well. But the feeling is that he only dominates his teammate, which is not a top driver(IMO). The car is so good that it´s just a walk in the park for him. We all know Vettel is good. How good he is, probably we will only see when Newey move out, or Vettel switch to another team.

    2. **Paul** says:

      Try 2004. Ferrari won all but three races that year and had a driver on the podium at every event.

      That really was killing the sport as there was no overtaking in the pack behind.

    3. **Paul** says:

      Oh yeah and there was 2002 as well, only two non Ferrari wins all season.

      I’d suggest your memory is a little off.

  41. azlie says:

    I blame RBR for all this mess. F1 now is boring not because of Vettel, but due to RBR not wanting to race two ‘top’ drivers. We’d easily have a new Senna vs Prost era had it been the case. Ricciardo next year wont be much better

    1. Bryce says:

      One tenth behind this race and two out of the last four poles. At closer to forty than thirty, WEB is no doubt slower than he was five years ago, however, he is still quick. Apparently he is also very good at assisting the engineers, particularly with aerodynamics.

      As far as RIC goes, the paddock and commentators seem to mostly have a good opinion of him, and he can pull out a good quali lap. You never know, but his test times in the big sister car and simulator work may also have something to do with his promotion.

      If one ignores the opinions of the current successful team and basically the rest of the paddock, then I can see how someone could come to such a conclusion.

      Also, could you please refresh my memory if I am not recalling correctly, but upon removing my rose tint from my nostalgic glasses, I can not remember there being more incidents than that of the current Bulls teammates.

    2. HulkenBerg says:

      Blame the FIA.

      The FIA banned testing to save money. But the amount of resources spent on simulator and wind tunnel testing, negates the testing ban. This test ban has allowed one genius in one team dominate. Other teams just can’t perfect wind tunnel development.

      But no RRA policing still means big teams are still spending big and small teams aren’t.

      Now they want to make the sport more financially viable by reducing size of engines (to save fuel and oil). But alas, the development of the new engines is enormous, and customer teams will need to fork out a lot more money to purchase engines.

      FIA’s ability to manage the sport is pretty atrocious.

      Bernie ripping off the FIA in the 100 year deal was pretty mean as well and hasn’t helped them.

      PS – I am still waiting for a seat. Anyone got 20 million pounds to spare?

  42. Kitkat says:

    Whilst he’s made the races so BORING over the past few months, I truly believe we’re witnessing something great with Vettel’s domination.

    It’s really such a shame the response from us fans is to turn off the TV – but the reality is, nevermind the brilliance of what’s on screen, even for diehard fans there’s always something else that’s calling for our time and energy. Nothing short of good entertainment will see me ignore my to-do list and sit in front of the TV.

    I guess I’m glad to have made the trek to Monza and watched at least one of those races live. At least it was much more exciting in person …

  43. JCA says:

    Can everybody calm down just a little? We are getting major regulation changes, and due to the lack of testing, reliability will almost certainly be abysmal, and a LOT of components can fail like engines, turbos, KERS, HERS, gearboxes and cooling systems, all of which will almost certainly end your race, and we’ll have plenty of grid penalties as a result. I very much doubt next year will be so predictable.

    1. furstyferret says:

      Exactly next year, for the first half of the season at least, engines are going to be going bang all other the place, should living things up..

  44. goober says:

    I watched it on 1.5x speed, with my five year old son, over breakfast. He kept asking “when is Web’s engine going to catch fire” (his last race he watched was Singapore). I was almost wishing it would happen, just to entertain him.

    1. dufus says:

      hah ! 1.5x speed.
      Thats a great idea.
      The more boring the race the the faster we should speed up watching.
      Excellent idea +1

    2. Fireman says:

      Nice! True F1 fan in the making :D

  45. Robin says:

    TSN in Canada preempted the race as the Canadian Football Season is reaching its denouement. Fortunately regular NBC was carrying it live and it wasn’t blacked out. So having heard both now I can now say that the BBC guys seem to have much better strategic awareness and anticipate the evolution of the race better so it’s more interesting. In general in this era it’s good to watch the races with live timing at hand since there is a lot going on throughout the order that’s worth following and TV cannot communicate it all. I honestly don’t think the racing is that much more dull than it was in the no-passing era, but the the extent to which Lotus and RBR are ahead of everyone else is shocking.

  46. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

    What an achievement, 8 straight wins:

    There was that classic, his teammate had a bad start, he led from lap 1, nobody else could race his car as it’s in a different category, he didn’t have to pass a single car, his car was so glued he had no understeer or oversteer slides, their changed customised tyres worked superbly, his engineer kept telling him to slow down or the race would get exciting, his engineer kept on telling him not to get near backmarkers as he’d have to overtake and the race would get exciting, he drove Newey’s rocketship at 85 percent then celebrated with aggressive finger pointing and yes yes yes boys as if he’d won in a Toleman at Monaco. Ok, the racing and overtaking behind was not bad.

    Wow, what a classic…

    then there was the other one when he, nope, can’t remember, there were eight were there, hmmm, must have been the car.

    1. JCA says:

      Didn’t watch the German gp, did you. RoGro and Kimi had faster cars in race trim, but Seb drove great in laps to prevent the undercut and defended well when Kimi had new tyres at the end.

      1. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

        Really I mean the last 8 races, since the mid-season tyre change. All very similar car plus tyres in a league of one.

        German GP you mention was before this, about 10 races ago. Seb did race well then and pushed it when needed.

        The post is really a sarcastic dig at the new tyres making it so easy for Red Bull. But of course, what are the Ferrari/Merc etc engineers doing about it!

        The first half of the season was far better than the races since the tyre changes. Still had it’s issues with too much tyre preservation and of course delaminations, but still far better to watch as races. (except the Rosberg train in boring Monaco)

    2. Me says:

      Aw… Hamilton still not winning… never mind there’s always next year.

      1. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

        O..M..G.. I’ve been labelled a Hamilton fan.

        The McLaren pits barney in Hungary ’07 is still one of the funniest things I’ve seen in F1, shame it wasn’t treated as an internal McLaren pits team matter instead of the FIA penalising Alonso for putting the rookie back in his place. Not Hamilton, but don’t get me wrong I do admire the skills of Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton.

    3. SteveS says:

      All that bitterness isn’t good for you. Try to develop a positive mental outlook.

  47. David says:

    Two part question for James (or anyone with an opnion);

    Pirelli is taking a beating with their tire, but is it fair? Aren’t they told to make a quickly degrading tire?

    People complain about no “flat out” racing, but couldn’t a team do that and add another pit stop for tires? Isn’t that how Alonso won in Hungary?

    And finally, maybe RBR and Vettel aren’t to blame for boring racing; maybe it is everyone else. Pick it up boys!

    1. j says:

      It’s a good point. Even with the limited amount of tires you get you could do extra stops and push hard on whatever new primes or scrubbed options you can save from quali.

      The problem is that you lose so much time in the pits… at new tracks the pit lane is a lot longer and the speed limit is now a lot lower.

      The teams have figured out that it’s faster to drive to a delta time and make less stops so they are all doing it now.

      Time to take away the in-car lap time display and make them all rely on pit boards and radio alone?

    2. BigHaydo says:

      I think one of the simplest solutions could be scrapping the mandatory use of both compounds in the race. Want to go all out on softs with an extra pit stop? Go for it! Want to plod around on the hards and make a stop less? More power to you sir! Also getting rid of parc ferme and running a warm up on race morning might see some drivers turn around a poor quali performance.

      1. Fireman says:

        Don’t forget starting with the Q3 tire. Drop that restriction and more strategies are again available.

    3. Andrew M says:

      “People complain about no “flat out” racing, but couldn’t a team do that and add another pit stop for tires? Isn’t that how Alonso won in Hungary?”

      Yes, but it’s much slower in terms of overall race time, so there’s no point in doing it. (And I’m not sure what Alonso win you’re referring to, 2003 wasn’t like that…)

      1. iceman says:

        Which I think indicates they are not driving as slowly as some people have suggested. If they’re really driving 2 seconds off the pace for the whole race, that’s the equivalent of 5 pit stops over a race distance, but no-one’s thinking about 5-stop strategies.

      2. Joel says:

        That’s why we need refuelling. Refuelling will shuffle up the pilots… one with less fuel and qualifying up front, while another fully loaded and down below.
        Idea to reduce cost; only two chairs in the pitwall.

      3. PeterG says:

        Refueling should stay away from F1, Not sure why anyone wants it back.

        When we had refueling last time it killed the racing & moved all the racing/passing from the track into the pits as pit strategy became the most important factor of every race.

        From 1994-2009 the level of on-track overtaking plummeted purely because of refueling, As soon as it was banned in 2010 the levels of on-track overtaking shot straght back upto pre-refueling levels & 2010 featured more on-track overtaking than any year since 1989.

        All refueling would do is kill on-track overtakes again as we get back to pit-passing & strategy determined by engineer’s with little driver input as strategy is locked it with no room to change as you can with just tyre strategy.

        F1 was better pre-refueling & is better post-refueling.

        Refueling was the worse era in F1′s history, Races were dull, Little on-track racing, little on-track overtaking & races determined by strategy guys on computers in pits.

        If refueling ever comes back to F1 I stop watching!

      4. David says:

        Oops, sorry, meant Spain

    4. Joel says:

      David, tyres that wear out is different to tyres that blister, delaminate, burst after a few laps. I have a P6 on my allroad, guess what when I replace it early next year, I bet it won’t be a Pirelli. Not that they are bad – just that I can’t seem to get my head around to the fact that a company could deliberately make such a bad tyre, whether asked or not.

      1. Mike A. says:

        Joel, you are quite right. I believe very strongly that a tyre manufacturer such as Pirelli should dictate the terms with respect to tyre specifications. For my next set of tyres on my Rover, I wanted to buy Pirellis, but now I think they are weak, simply doing as Bernie demands, so I will look closely at Continentals – they were great in 1955!

        Here in Australia, I was up in time for the 6.00 am race broadcast, what little we get here. The telecasts are full of commercials probably to help make the little fellow a fair bit richer. I bet he doesn’t care a damn how little the public gets to satisfy their enthusiasm for the sport. I have been an enthusiast since 1954 and I admire what Vettel is achieving – I also admire what is going on further down the Formula 1 field.

        I do enjoy the James Allen interviews before race starts, but they too are minimal.

  48. Thomas in Adelaide says:

    JA, hoping some of the sentiment here in the comments section can be fed back to people in F1 who have some say in matters. It would seem that the fans, for the most part, are generally unsatisfied with the formula right now.

    1. Me says:

      I can’t really imagine that they care what a small percentage of Alonso/Hamilton fans think.

      1. Sri says:

        It is really presumptuous to think those who are complaining are all Alonso/Hamilton fans. I’m sure even Vettel’s and other drivers’ fans also are complaining.

      2. Me says:

        It doesn’t seem at all presumptuous from my perspective, all of the shrill complaints have come from mainly the same people.

      3. Thomas in Adelaide says:

        It may shock you to hear this – many F1 fans are non-partisan. F1 is more than the drivers of one particular time – any long term F1 fan knows this. Driver comes and go. Heck teams come and go. What remains is the spirit of racing. I, and it would seem, many others question the status of that spirit right now.

        F1 should be the pinnacle of RACING. Right now, it clearly isn’t. In fact, i’d go as far as to say that F1 is one of the least entertaining race formats around.

        So yes, as Sri also did above, I am going to dismiss your comment as presumptuous.

      4. Mike A. says:

        There are enthusiasts for Formula 1, and there are fans – those that soak in the PR generated smarmy rubbish put out by PR management.

        For me, an enthusiast, Formula 1 must be the pinnacle of all motor racing. Driving to conserve useless tyres means that Formula 1 has slipped a fair way down the grid of motor racing. But I still watch every race I can on TV – the absolute minimum that we get Down Under.

  49. darren w says:

    Have to say I really enjoyed the coverage of the race today and some of the great battles going on on track.

    Absolutely loved the camera mounted into the track/curbing that the cars were streaming right over. Really a great visual.

    Actually some great camera footage from several places on the track. The positioning in some of the high speed corners really let a TV viewer really see the lateral loading and quick direction change of these cars. Visually this race was fantastic!

    Add to that some really great passes and battles throughout the grid and it made for a very satisfying watch. That first complex of corners provided some exciting stuff that had nothing to do with DRS.

    Congratulations to Vettel for yet another milestone win. Watching Grosjean continue to deliver outstanding performances and showcase his talent after such a tough year last season shows great character.

    And to top it of for me…Hulkenberg and Bottas. The conditions were perfect, and to see these two drivers not just maintaining position on track but really dicing it out with top team drivers made it great to watch.

    1. CYeo says:

      Yesterday’s footage, when it was still cold temps, really showed the aero working, all the vortices swirling around the wing edges.

      This must be what Newey sees all the time! Haha

  50. Torchwood Five says:

    Joined the race at lap four to see the safety car-led race due to the Sutil crash.

    Heard Lewis get told to manage tyres on lap fourteen, and Webber immediately breeze past him.

    I noted just how slow those cars were going round the track.
    I contemplated opening the laptop to note down the two tidbits, aaaannnnddd was unconscious by lap nineteen.

    When I woke up, I was pleased to see Grosjean in his Stetson, having come second, although I later discovered there were no Stetsons on the podium – bit of a shame.

  51. Random 79 says:

    No sad images of Valsecchi during the race. Was he even there?

    1. Elie says:

      There was about halfway through..not happy

      1. Random 79 says:

        OK, I must have blinked lol :)

        There’s only one thing that’s going to fix that frown and that’s a race seat, but in all honesty I don’t like his chances.

    2. Basil says:

      Such drama! Well done TV guys!

  52. darren w says:

    One point that got some airtime during the race and in post race interviews was Webber’s attempts to use his KERS in different places on the track against Grosjean. I know the drivers use the system in both offensive and defensive ways, but how do they put it to best use when they are out of traffic and on their own?

    1. Random 79 says:

      As a rule of thumb where they’d most use it is as soon as they have decent traction coming out of a corner and then start heading into a long straight, but each track is slightly different and I’m sure they’d each have their own specific spots where it works best :)

  53. JB says:

    Bottas – DOTD! He has been amazing all weekend. Draging that useless Williams to finish 8th place. Amazing stuff, keep it up.

    As for the Red Bull dominance, even i can’t help it. I actually dozed off half way through the race. Zzzz…. Woke up 10 laps before the end, to witness Button taking 10th place and Alonso overtaking Hulkenburg. Of course, I enjoyed Vettel’s Donut. LOL

    One can blame Red Bull and Vettel for making it boring. However, I see it the other way round; why isn’t there a good enough driver that can challenge Vettel>??? The current breed of drivers is just not good enough.

  54. Matt W says:

    The other teams and drivers need to hang their heads in shame. I have never seen a season where so many teams and drivers just capitulate.

    1. Dave M says:

      Did they really capitulate, or was it just the case that the Red Bull suited last year’s tyres more than the other cars (because that’s why they’ve won the last eight races)?

      I have to agree with so many other posters. F1 has become utterly dull (again).

    2. CYeo says:

      If next season was not a major regulations change, it is quite possible that teams will still be pushing the development.

    3. Random 79 says:

      “The other teams and drivers need to hang their heads in shame”

      Or just hang up their overalls :)

      Normally you’d have a good driver in a good car, or if the team is lucky the might have either a good driver in a phenomenal car or a phenomenal driver in a good car, but when another team has a phenomenal driver in a phenomenal car what can you do?

      1. Joe B says:

        How does that hypothetical situation apply? ;)

      2. Random 79 says:

        Hypothetically? No idea! :)

  55. bk says:

    Occasionally you get dull nil nil draws, doesn’t mean You stop watching football.

    There were dull moments but it picked up, track is partly to blame as the exciting to drive fast sector one strings the field out.

    This is also just a result of the big changes they are making for 2014, everyone without a championship hope stopped development ages ago so the top team pulls away even more.
    Only One more race then a whole new formula one appears so chill out with the post race internet raage. It may well be different but the same or it will be wildly different. Either way interesting and at first mixed up for sure..

    BTW I avoided twitter or threads for an hour or two post race and my Sunday was vastly Improved by not getting wound up at the usual knee jerk idocy. Try it!

  56. NC says:

    Yawn! And not because I had to wake up at 3am to watch it. A few scraps but fairly processional at the front.

    You mentioned that [Hulkenberg] looks likely to find himself at Force India once again next year. Does that mean Maldo [I mean PDVSA $$] has been confirmed at Lotus?

  57. Hiten says:

    My first live f1 race :).. was great experience but missed tv commentary, on the spot analysis and action replays…watching on tv is much satisfying..but hey I also got to attend free Pitbull concert!!!

  58. Timmay says:

    I haven’t watched an F1 race since June, although I attended Singapore live. And this entire page of negative comments of how boring the entre weekend was means I was right to not pay for Sky TV until Melbourne next season. Well done FIA & Pirelli – bravo on ruining competitive F1 racing.

  59. Warren G says:

    That was complete and utter tripe. Easily the most boring race of the season, but on one of the nicest tracks. As someone pointed out, it’s not Vettel winning all the time, it’s these completely ridiculous tires that have completely destroyed F1.

    Great drives by Grosjean, Hulk and Bottas. Fairly impressive by Alonso considering his back injury and Massa’s no-show. Williams should be concerned.

    Hulk is definitely putting his hand up now as a top class driver for teams to take note. I wonder if the Sauber offer doesn’t have anything to do with Ferrari? If I were Ferrari, I’d offer to pay Hulks salary for 2014 at Sauber and keep him as first option for 2015, in case either Alonso or Raikkonen leave. And he should rather stay at Sauber than go back to FI

  60. Elie says:

    So I managed to get up about 6.20 and missed the first 7 odd laps and apparent safety car. Was annoyed with Hamiltons “c’mon man” comments on the radio every few minutes. Impressed again by the pace of the Saubers throughout the race but very annoyed that Hulkenburg was outclassed by Fernando so close to the end..which now makes it near impossible for Lewis to make challenge to him in the standings at Interlagos. It’s interesting that many passes were made on the outside it T1 even before FA onHulk . You would think drivers/ race engineers would protect instruct that first.! If passed on the inside the attacking Driver is on the outside into t2.anyway ( though that never bothered Kimi last year)
    The one thing I was really pleased about in that race was Valtteri Bottas producing a solid points finish in that Williams – he has always lived up to expectations even since he first turned a wheel on an F1 car. I really hope the 2014 Williams is a decent car. Because this guy is potentially the next Kimi behind the wheel and deserves a top drive very soon. I always expected Heikki to make P8, but for incidents/ Kerrs he may have held that spot.. But now all of Fridays lovers are back down to earth. Heikki was rarely more than a mid field racer even at Mclaren so I think he will struggle to get a drive with Lotus for 2014 and Valseche should be the man they take if they get money . But it looks like all of Kimis / Romaines good work can be undone if Cashdonado comes in.. Shame, shame

    For those crying about boring perhaps James can write in to Bernie and tell him fans
    A) don’t like unlimited budgets and Red Bull spending
    B) fans don’t like Pirelli and degrading tyres – I never did

    Maybe we can do away with DRS since we have such powerful ERS with more flexibility next year. The good drivers always find a way.

    1. Random 79 says:

      What really annoyed me was that after basically telling his engineer to go away and leave him alone several times Hamilton then came back and demanded that he get more information.

  61. cletus says:

    I still love f1 and would never rubbish it-sure some races are a bit boring,but…. you are all on these forums getting any extra bit of f1 coverage to satisfy your interest,but at the drop of a hat you all spread nothing but negativity.

    Take the good with the bad or just take off.

    On another note could you add weight for each win for the next race?

  62. Robin says:

    It’s Lotus that really underlines the degree to which there have been winners and losers with the current tire situation. They are a team in supposed disarray and financial peril, yet they’re 20 seconds ahead of everyone but the Red Bulls, and would I’m sure overhaul Ferrari for third in the Constructors if Kimi was driving.

    It’s very concerning that the other teams haven’t been able to optimize for the post-Silverstone tire (which Pirelli had to change). I hope very much Mercedes and Ferrari et al have made a conscious decision to focus resources on 2014, but even then they’ve spotted Red Bull such a lead this fall that the latter will have been able to shift resources to the new car too. At this rate, Red Bull will overhaul everyone in the latter part of next year even if they start out uncompetitive.

  63. Warren G says:

    Just read on another site that Pirelli are “threatening” to make conservative tires and one stop races next year. Personally, I don’t care if the cars don’t stop at all, as long as the drivers can push and actually race each other without worrying about tires so much.

    And pitstops that involve a car barely stopping are impressive, but don’t add anything of much value.

    Tires that wear out – great!
    Tires that thermally degrade after a couple laps – rubbish!!!

  64. Goldeneye76 says:

    Where I work we used to have a brilliant little forum of F1 fans who’d discuss the race on a Monday morning and lightheartedly take the p*ss out of each other when our teams and drivers screwed up.

    Alas, our little club started on a steep decline during the second half of the 2012 season (having just about survived 2011)and now no one has the enthusiasm to talk about it any more are it’s all too predictable.

    That’s my observation on the current state of F1.

  65. Aadil Khota says:

    I can take Vettel’s dominance and that F1 is a bit boring at the moment

    However I absolutely cannot handle Rocky’s radio messages!!!


    Vettel is a 4 times wc I dont think he needs to be spoken too like a 2 yr old

    He didnt end up a 4 times wc by accident
    Quite obviously he knows how 2 drive a car!
    I really don’t think a 4 time champion needs to be told how too F’n drive!!

    Currently Vettel is the best driver in F1 this season in understanding the F1 tires and how 2 make them last!!!

    So really Rocky needs to put a cork in it!

    Red Bull would have won squat over the the past 4 years if it were not for Vettel and this years “titles” are already sealed so give the guy a break and let him have some fun!!

    Can u imagine what would happend if Rocky had to engineer Kimi??lol
    I think Kimi would go ballistic over the radio telling him 2 shut up!!

    Seriously Rocky is starting to spoil everything Vettel has achieved.

    People say Vettel is a champ because of Newey
    But nothing underminds Vettel’s talent more then his engineer telling him how freakin drive every second lap!

    U can hardly imagine Senna or Schumi or Prost been told how to drive by their engineers in their days!!

    What makes is even worse is Rocky has a monumentally annoying voice!!

  66. Skywalker says:

    I’d like to see pod racing in F1 cars. Not the current debacle of fuel and tyre management.

  67. Joe B says:

    Trying to decide if this race was as bad as some from the Schumacher era, or worse – whilst it did have overtaking, it was certainly indicative of how the ‘formula’ is broken right now. I’ve been defensive of Pirelli but it’s hard to see past the negative impact the tyres are having on the racing now.

    Very happy for Bottas and Williams to score points. He was excellent on Saturday and deserved something from the race; his talents stands in stark contrast to his current teammate. Glad to see Grosjean getting better and better as well, it’s just a shame that next year will almost certainly see Lotus drop backwards following their lack of funding and the engineer exodus.

    Congrats to Vettel and Red Bull for another record; man and machine in perfect harmony yet again it seems. Let’s just hope that next year the machine doesn’t have quite the same advantage, it’d be nice to get another marker on where the man is in that equation. Also congrats to Alonso for settling second place – a bit underwhelming given Kimi’s nonattendance, but impressive still given how much the Ferrari’s performance has tailed off since the summer break.

    F1 2013 then: How to Go Out With a Whimper. Let’s hope Brazil gives us all something entertaining to watch…

  68. Richard says:

    Get rid of Pirelli tyres, DRS, restrict aero, increase mechanical grip, relieve the boredom!
    Anyone who thinks this is proper racing needs to take the blinkers off and watch a previous era. What more I actual heard Gary Anderson say it! Let’s have no more racing from the tyre strait jacket.

  69. Gary Lapidus says:

    Vettel looked like he was out for a Sunday drive; his in-car shots were almost hilarious, as it was clear that he was not having to push while still utterly dominating.

    It reminded me of when I was a little-guy, in 1970, at an SCCA regional at Bryar Motorsport Park, the weekend before the Trans Am. Mark Donohue was there in the AMC Sunoco Javelin, at the regional, practicing and setting up the car, amongst the MGBs, Lotus super 7s, Austin Healy Sprites, etc. Mark was motoring around Bryar with his left elbow on the window-sill, hand on the roof, like he was driving to the shop. A Fantastic memory.

  70. Stephen Purser says:

    It was so boring I switched off halfway through and went and watched something else; something I’ve never done before. Sad.

  71. fox says:

    I did not watch it.

    1. Random 79 says:

      That’s OK, but you should know that we’re watching you ;)

    2. Andre says:

      OMG I’m so happy you shared that with us mortals.

    3. goob says:

      We need more people to switch off, before F1 gets back to racing for real.

  72. Wellbalanced says:

    My main gripe with the race was not the racing, which was interesting enough on current form, nor the layout of the track, which is very decent, but the lack of gravel traps.

    I cannot abide the modern tarmacked/grippy run-offs, as epitomised by Paul Ricard. If a driver makes a mistake, it shouldn’t just be a case of avoiding the barriers and you are alright. Suzuka is much more interesting for this reason. Austin is a similarly great lay out, but a lot of the drama is removed by little penalty for off track excursions.

    May sound an odd detail to focus on, but I am convinced it makes a real difference.

    1. Bryce says:

      Too true.

  73. Dale says:

    BORING, that’s what F1 has become, so boring and that stupis ‘drs’, dies anyone, fan or driver get any satisfaction from that?
    No matter with the rule makers listen? Of course not, F1 is about money and the real fans are simply not important.
    We all need Newey to go off and sesign an America’s Cup Yacht then maybe the field would bunch up again.
    What annoys me is the recordes would imply the likes of Vettel is better than the likes of Clark and Senna, which as a fan of nearly 50 years is so off the mark.
    Give Alonso or Hamilton Vettel’s car and they’d be the ones setting the records.
    Yawn, I for one am fed up with what F1 currently serves us, it’s rubbish!

  74. Jason says:

    It was a boring race but when you’ve been an F1 fan for years and years, you take the rough with the smooth right? I was born in 1981 and watched every F1 race since 1988. The internet and emergence of DVD’s have given me great joy with older classic races too. Is this as boring as the Schumacher era? I am not so sure because there was no overtaking. Now there is overtaking but that brings me to my next point about DRS.

    Since when is DRS relevant to road cars? I get the KERS and ERS system. I understand their relevance but how in any way shape or form is DRS relevant to road cars? I don’t suddenly get a DRS button when on the motorway.

    Back when we had the Bridgestone tires, we were given an awe-inspiring from Lewis Hamilton who single-handedly showed us F1 drivers can overtake. After years of the Trulli train and people moaning about flowing a Toyota, we had a driver who could overtake. That seemed to wake them all up and suddenly, everyone could overtake.

    Until Abu Dhabi when a world championship was lost because a Ferrari couldn’t overtake a Renault and suddenly, we get an overtake button.

    Now we have the supposed 22 finest drivers (some finer because of $$$) in the entire world (I’d say rally drivers are up there too) driving around at 80% of their real pace because the tires fall to bits. They don’t ever overtake without a DRS zone.

    Why can’t the FIA just sort this out. Get rid of DRS, get rid of enormous wings that make the cars aero dependent, make mechanical grip the key to success and most of all give these young chargers in the elite pinnacle of sport tires they can push to the absolute limit.

    As an F1 fan, I feel robbed. I feel robbed that Webber has been made to look ordinary because he can’t push on tires that fall to bits. I feel robbed that potentially the fastest guy in F1 Lewis Hamilton cannot push without tires falling to bits. How I long for the years of 2007, 2008 and 2009 once again because drivers pushed. I want to see Vettel push 100% and I don’t care if he wins by 5 laps if they are all going flat out. I just want to see effort. Mistakes get made, the greats emerge from the pressure and we see stand out performances. Now we have a race of engineers saying blah blah nurse the tires.

    I support next year the introduction of an ERS and V6 engines. It has to be relevant to road cars to justify manufacturers in the sport but someone somewhere forgot that fragile tires and DRS are not relevant to road cars in the slightest. It is a contradiction in itself to call F1 relevant to road cars and then allow tires like this and DRS.

    1. Random 79 says:

      “Some finer because of $$$”

      Hit the nail on the head right there :)

      If I had to choose between no DRS and no overtaking or DRS and dodgy overtaking I’d still go with DRS…just.

      Sometimes I think they should just stick a big guard rail around the cars and let them go at it :)

      1. Jason says:

        The thing is anyone who has raced in any format including karts knew the perfect overtake was being better out of the previous corner, taking advantage of the physics of air movement and braking later than the guy in front. All in the same level machinery.

        To suddenly get 10mph down the straight extra with the guy in front not getting the same is cheating in my opinion.

        I’d rather just see big fat tires that don’t wear out fast, cars that can follow each other and say to these guys, ok you are paid millions for a reason so go out and race. None of this easy stuff.

        I see your point about no overtaking would be boring but to eliminate the reason there is no overtaking would be the solution. I am sure if they banned aerodynamics to an extent, the F1 cars would slow down and maybe for a year or so, they might even drop below Indy pace but freeing up the regulations to allow for a much larger traction performance from the car would soon bring the cars back up to spec.

        They wouldn’t even lose too much because they would still break way later than any other racing car series. Anyways rant over, I just feel F1 is sadly broken :(

      2. Random 79 says:

        It is broken – has been for a long time really – but it can still be fixed.

        From the sounds of it Pirelli will be giving the drivers drastically different tyres next year with much more durability and less grip. Combine those with the increased torque of the new power trains and the driving should be a lot more seat of the pants rather than the slot car driving it is now, so as a result most if not all of the drivers will be starting to make mistakes again – especially under pressure – so we should see some proper overtakes like the ones you described.

        Sure the cars will be slower, but it should still be a good start i think :)

      3. Dizzy says:

        “If I had to choose between no DRS and no overtaking or DRS and dodgy overtaking I’d still go with DRS…just.”

        Personally I would rather watch a race with only 1 real overtake than a race with 10 boringly unexciting DRS highway passes.

        DRS (As well as these stupid pirelli tyres) has pretty much killed my love of F1 to be frank. I loathe it, Its nothing but a silly artificial gimmick & should be banned before it kills the sport completely.

      4. goob says:

        DRS is a bandaid for excess aero, that kills true slipstreaming/overtaking…

        It is another skill killer.

      5. Jason says:


        It is not real racing now. Everything these highly skilled drivers learn when kids in other racing series is nullified.

    2. Nick says:


      so true – well said!

    3. Wellbalanced says:

      I agree with all of this. I would rather watch a race with no overtaking but with plenty of attempts, than a single pass with DRS.

      Overtaking per se is not fun to watch. It is only thrilling if it requires real skill. Cars in front helpless to defend is not right.

      Bring back refuelling, get some proper tyres, decrease aero dependency, stop handing out penalties for everything, and let these people go and race!

  75. Phil Glass says:

    Bottas on Gutierrez was beathtaking.

    But move of the race was Alonso retaking Hulk. The way he launched that car and took the corner without breaking till way past the apex. As in the last race, he knew when to act decisively to secure crucial track position:- Still THE master racer in F1. Boy am I looking forward to seeing him up against Kimi next year

    Other than that I agree the event was not exactly a thrilling spectacle.

  76. Phil Glass says:

    Bottas on Gutierrez was beathtaking.

    But move of the race was Alonso retaking Hulk. The way he launched that car and took the corner without breaking till way past the apex. As in the last race, he knew when to act decisively to secure crucial track position:- Still THE master racer in F1. Boy am I looking forward to seeing him up against Kimi next year

    Other than that I agree the event was not exactly a thrilling spectacle.

  77. Darren says:

    I think its quite funny the amount of people that look back with rose tinted spectacles at the “Schumacher era” saying it wasn’t as bad as it is now etc etc. It was as bad as it is now, if not worse, Schumacher used to win by a country mile and there was never much action further back the field either. I suppose it is only natural to remember the good bits though and there were indeed some great races.

    The thing I think is different now is the cars themselves are boring, have been for some time. That latter part of the V10 era was exciting purely for the speed aspect, the cars were visibly faster, sounded faster. That coupled with super reliable cars now a days, you used to get an odd freak result but that never happens now.

    Hopefully the new engines and regs will shake it up a bit but I’m not holding my breath. The dependence on tyres has gone too far, yes motor sport has always been to an extent about preserving your car but this is extreme. Drivers are being told constantly to slow down, that doesn’t even happen at Le Mans now a days!

    I’m almost at the point of saying do away with pit stops altogether, they made the tyres last all race in 2005 and they still pushed like crazy between fuel stops. The racing was not any worse than it was in 2004, if anything it was better due to less marbles and dirt off line. It would also stop all this driving to a delta and “your not racing him” malarky, you race whats in front of you and thats it.

    All credit still goes to Vettel and Red Bull he / they have mastered the art of driving with these tyres, an art no other driver has managed.

    1. Dizzy says:

      “Schumacher used to win by a country mile and there was never much action further back the field either”

      Thats actually not true.
      In the Schumacher era there was plenty of action going on further down the field, Problem was we never actually saw much of it due to the local TV directors focusing only on the leaders.

      In 2002 for example you had the ITV broadcast’s with the feed produced by the local directors & the F1 Digital+ service produced by FOM.
      The Local directors focused on the leaders & the races always looked boring, However when watching on the Digital service which focused on the best battles through the field the race seemed more interesting with more fights & action going on.

      The past few years the FOM guys who produced that Digital service have produced the broadcast for all the races (Bar Monaco I believe) so were now getting to see the racing further back which the local directors never bothered showing.

      Wasn’t just 2002 either, Back in 1997 the local director didn’t show this brilliant fight due to watching the leaders, The Digital service director however did-

      1. Joe B says:

        Thanks Dizzy, I enjoyed watching that.

      2. Siobhan says:

        That it exactly.. During Schumacher’s era they didn’t show as much of the action behind. Now they just occasionally pop in to look at the leader (unless it is a close race)and keep up with the action… Last Sunday we stuck with the Alonso/Hülkenberg duel up to the last second.

  78. AK says:

    Soooo boring, always the same guy who finishes last. Max Chilton is ruining F1, put real racers like Hamilton or Alonso in that Marussia and they would come last in all the races instead of Aeon boy.

  79. Steve Selasky says:

    Jeeze, a yawner. I am stateside and I did not bother to completely watch it.

    Seriously, in 5 years time I see serious problems on the horizon. Existing team(s) would be wise to plan for it….

    1. Random 79 says:

      “In 5 years time I see serious problems on the horizon”

      5 Years! Just how slow are you driving? ;)

      1. BigHaydo says:

        The sport definitely has problems that it needs to address. If it intends to keep moving out of it’s heartland and charging governments for the privilege of it’s existence while not investing in it’s own capital, F1 will end up in serious trouble. That horizon may be nearer than we think!

      2. Random 79 says:

        Yeah, I have to agree with that.

        They should also be looking to equalise the money that the teams get a bit – not so much a budget cap, but maybe changing how the prize money is allocated for the championship.

        That might help level the playing field a bit and help to give us better races :)

  80. Jason says:

    Whew, boy, this is seriously getting old. I don’t know what can be done, if anything, but I am fed up with Vettel winning every race. It is literally sucking the enjoyment out of the sport for me. When you know who is going to win the race after the first turn of the first lap, it annoys me. Part of the fun in watching a race is seeing what happens to get the eventual winner in position, and what happens to the other contenders, but now, in current F1, we know the eventual winner when the lights go out, and there ARE NO OTHER CONTENDERS!!!! I absolutely love Formula 1 and am so grateful that we get good TV coverage of it here in the US, but sadly, I don’t know if I can take another season or two of watching Vettel win 90% of the races.

  81. Lee says:

    I think he’ll now go onto break the record for the most consecutive wins in F1.

  82. Sujith says:

    Now this was a boring race, however you look at it. Not taking away anything from Vettel. He did a fanstastic job. But yes, the race was boring at the back as well.

  83. Mike Bentley says:

    I’ve been watching formula as a kid, seeing Senna and Prost fight it out at McClaren in the late 80s, through the start of the electronics in the 90s and through the Schumacher years to today.

    A lot of people are complaining about F1 today, but what we’re seeing is not unique. Every now and then the great drivers are aligned with the great cars and no one can keep up. Senna and Schumacher despite being great drivers, created some really dull races too! Mansell in Williams during ’92 was complete domination and a bit zzz.

    The difference i can see these days is the level of professionalism, reliability and the penalties for aggressive driving which are now present in the sport. In the past decades, you could always count on drama in the chasing pack to keep things interesting.

    Teams are able to run thousands of simulations and training sessions and this was just not possible before. Pitstops are near-perfect, race strategies are simulated beforehand to the nth degree. Teams are just not making the mistakes they used to. There used to be a time when the viewers used to worry about every pitstop because of the chance of a wheel being locked on. Tyres were relatively untested and erosion rates unknown.

    Furthermore, reliability requirements may have kept costs down, but there used to be a time when these cars were on the very edge and very often spectacular breakdowns. There was always a fair degree of luck whether a car would actually finish.

    Add to that a hefty dose of “Penalty!” “You drove to close to that other car,” and voila:

    Great car + great driver + no mistakes amongst teams + no breakdowns = a procession of cars going round and round. That’s my 2 cents.

  84. aveli says:

    vettel is the only world champion not to have raced against another world champion teammate.
    other world champions have tried to join him at redbull but it appears as though ecclestone doesn’t want his creation to be interrupted.
    the funny thing is fans understand how to compare drivers especially teammates.
    redbull and vettel have done exceptionally well with the advantage they have.

  85. Maxxus says:

    2015 ha


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