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Posted By: James Allen  |  22 Sep 2013   |  9:41 pm GMT  |  720 comments

Sebastian Vettel has said that he is not affected by the repeated instances of booing on the podium after he wins races, but his team boss Christian Horner has denounced Vettel’s detractors as “unsporting”.

Once again, after winning the Singapore Grand Prix, Vettel was booed during his interview on the podium. This has become a pattern this season and Vettel laughingly suggested that the people booing him are on a “world tour”.

This has been a notable feature of the 2013 world championship and its origins would seem to go back to the Malaysian Grand Prix in March, where Vettel disobeyed team orders and passed Mark Webber for the win in the closing stages. Booing was noticeable in races that followed particularly where he won, like Montreal. At Monza a driver who beats Ferrari expects to be booed – Lewis Hamilton was quite shaken by it last year.

But it’s become a noticeable feature of races lately and many F1 pundits put it down to a hangover from Malaysia, rather than simply because he is winning all the time. Singapore was his seventh win in 13 races this year.

Another factor is the introduction of the podium interviews, which has given those who wish to boo Vettel a platform. These were introduced in Silverstone 2012, with mixed results, but by and large have been a success. Save for the fact that they showcase the dissenters when Vettel wins the race.

Vettel has suffered something of an image problem for several years with incidents like Turkey in 2010 where he collided with Webber and implied Webber was crazy; Silverstone where the team took Webber’s front wing and gave it to Vettel for qualifying, promoting Webber to say via radio “Not bad for a Number two driver” as he won the race the next day.

This website has consistently argued that this image problem is of the team’s own creation – the way certain people within the team have managed situations like those listed, has contributed to a negative impression of Vettel which he does not deserve and furthermore, it was unnecessary because he is good enough to win without needing to create any impression that he is protected or favoured within the team. It has been counterproductive and he is now paying the price. Mark Webber has certainly played on this and fans and many pundits have given him a lot of sympathy for that.

Vettel’s actions in Malaysia were all of his own making and were wrong, as he admitted after the race. But by then he had claimed the extra seven points so it was all rather academic.


Like Michael Schumacher being gifted the victory in Austria 2002 by Ferrari when Rubens Barrichello had the race won, another event that promoted a volley of boos on the podium, Vettel didn’t need the extra points from Malaysia, as it turns out. He has dominated the season and will clinch the title in India or Abu Dhabi in all probability, with two or three races to spare.

Red Bull Racing is the dominant team in F1 at the moment and that domination kills the excitement of the sport.

But Red Bull Racing team boss Christian Horner refused to see the funny side,

“Of course he says it doesn’t affect him and he doesn’t feel it, but he is a human being at the end of the day,” Horner said.

“When you have driven your heart out and got that reaction up there, to me it is not fair. To me, it is not sporting.

“I don’t think it is deserved in any way. He has got a broad set of shoulders but like anyone he has feelings and I don’t think it is right.”

Asked whether he thought the “Multi 21″ scandal in Malaysia had triggered this response from audiences around the world, Horner said,

“I don’t know what it is, to be honest with you. I think that for sure Malaysia did not help but, as we know, Malaysia has happened.

“It’s been done, there has been an awful lot written about it and there were circumstances that were involved in that.

“There is a small collective group and it is like a pantomime, but it is so unfair because it is not sporting,” added Horner.

“The boy today has driven an unbelievable race. What you have witnessed today is one of the best drives that I have seen him produce in terms of raw pace, and I just don’t think it is sporting to see a driver who has put a performance in like that not get the reception he deserves.”

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  1. Juzh says:

    As Horner said, he is human, and surely he can’t enjoy it, but as long as he can put it aside and just do what he did today, it won’t matter. I think those podium interviews should be scrapped all together though. We found out much more useful info in the normal press conferences.

    1. Phil says:

      I find the podium interviews cringeworthy and have stopped watching them altogether.

      1. chris green says:

        +1

      2. BoogWar says:

        +1 million

      3. Vinay says:

        Absolutely! You cannot control the mood of the crowds. The interviews only make the presenters look stupid as they try to make amends.

      4. Wayne says:

        There are terrible.

        I have just looked at the poll here, 45% of the people who read this website think it is ok to boo VET? I thought better of you – i’ve never been ashamned to be part of this communtiy beofre but came pretty close when I looked at the figures, fully expecting to see 80% + of JA readership against booing VET.

        There was a time to boo vet, and it was for ONE race when he comitted an unsporting act several races ago. Now it is just plain and simple bullying. It is cowardly, petty and it WILL hurt this kid despite what he says. To boo VET now is to admit your own small mindedness, to condone it must mean that you are a simple minded sheep, you probably do not even know why you are booing.

        This is a person you are attacking in a very personal nature, with thoughts and feelings just like you. It is not ok because he is rich or talented, those things do not make him a valid taregt. They just make him an easy target, hence you are cowardly for taking advantage.

        Please stop. It’s embaressing for us all.

      5. Grabyrdy says:

        +1MG. Pity Jenson hasn’t been up there this season to make fun of them, as he did so well last year.

      6. Richard Martin says:

        quite agree

      7. Simmo says:

        @Wayne | “I have just looked at the poll here, 45% of the people who read this website think it is ok to boo VET? I thought better of you – i’ve never been ashamed to be part of this community before but came pretty close when I looked at the figures, fully expecting to see 80% + of JA readership against booing VET.

        There was a time to boo vet, and it was for ONE race when he committed an unsporting act several races ago. Now it is just plain and simple bullying. It is cowardly, petty and it WILL hurt this kid despite what he says. To boo VET now is to admit your own small mindedness, to condone it must mean that you are a simple minded sheep, you probably do not even know why you are booing.”

        Couldn’t agree more with that. It is absolutely appalling that that many people find it acceptable. I am not by any means a Vettel fan. I find his wins boring, but to boo him like that is just unacceptable. I wouldn’t dream of doing that. He wins his races (mostly (Malaysia)) fair and square, and to boo him is a disgrace.

        It is even worse to see that many (nearly half!) of the people here find it acceptable and right to boo.

        Vettel hasn’t done much wrong, and doesn’t deserve this.

      8. Sebee says:

        Well said, Wayne.

      9. Sebee says:

        P.S. Remember, James gave up on polls for a while because of their unscientific nature. Judging by the anti-Vettel sentiment it may be simply that and not really about booing. I hope he doesn’t – because they can be a fun thing.

        I have no idea why people are so anti-Vettel. He is the most successful driver on the grid in our sport, and we’re watching dynasty-team performance here likes of which we were lucky to have witnessed in Schumi@Ferrari and now Vettel@RBR. Instead of watching how the game is played at a whole new level of engineering, performance, human reflexes, drive to win, etc. there is a wave of bitterness that’s just unfortunate and sad. It’s as if fans don’t like it when someone is too successful.

        Internet is turning into a dark bitter thing really. Twitter, Facebook, etc. all filled with hateful bitterness and other unnecessary things. Just sad.

      10. Sebee says:

        P.P.S. I mean …I hope he doesn’t giev up on polls again – because they can be a fun thing.”

        Now I’m skipping words in a sentence – can’t blame that on auto correct!

      11. KeX says:

        I disagree. Vettel with his utter disrespect and lack of sportsmanship, together with Red Bull’s (in particular Helmut Marko’s) indulgence, is destroying motor racing. At Silverstone in 2010, Red Bull disrespected Webber despite all his hard work for the team. In Malaysia this year, Vettel disrespected his teammate and his entire team by disobeying direct orders and got away with it, proving what many fans have long suspected – Horner is team principal only in name and has no real authority.

        The charge that today’s racing fans are unsophisticated are dead wrong – they are more sophisticated than ever. Today’s fans respect each and every driver on the grid (including Vettel) for their skill and bravery, certainly I would never be able to drive with that kind of speed and precision nor do I have the courage to race in the confines of a street circuit. And Vettel is widely regarded as among the best in the business. But in addition wanting an F1 World Champion who is the fastest and most consistent driver, what the fans really crave is a world champion who, god forbid, actually believes in sportsmanship. In short, fans are looking at not just the number of wins but how these wins are achieved. Vettel is a very good, and perhaps great, driver (I hesitate to call someone without any sportsmanship a sportsman) who has amply demonstrated that he doesn’t possess this quality.

        It is equally untrue that the booing is from the tifosi. People who claim that the booing is by Ferrari fans either have never been present at any of the podium presentations or, like the FIA and FOM, have another agenda – it is far less damaging to the image of F1 if the booing can be brushed off as fan rivalry rather than admitting that F1′s triple world champion is a deeply unpopular person. I was actually in the crowd right in front of the podium in Singapore. The fans, in addition to booing Vettel, were chanting Webber’s name, regardless of the colour of their shirts. This, in and of itself, demonstrates why the fans are booing Vettel.

        Now, before anyone tries to compare Malaysia 2013 to Austria 2002, let me point out that Schumacher at least had the good grace (or PR savvy) to look embarrassed on the podium and yielded both the top step and the trophy to Barrichello. Vettel, by comparison, expected us to swallow his unconvincing claim that he heard the radio message but its significance failed to register before finally admitting that he deliberately disobeyed team orders because he felt that Webber “didn’t deserve to win”.

        The greatest irony here is of course Horner’s claim that the fans who boo Vettel are being “unsporting”. I say that these fans understand the sporting spirit better than anyone who criticise them, regardless of the sporting achievements of these critics (and yes, I include Niki Lauda in this list). Are Red Bull and Vettel (and all their “supporters”) really so arrogant and blind that they cannot see that the booing stems from the fans’ disgust with Vettel’s lack of sportsmanship?

        Vettel may be a top athlete, but he’s no sportsman. Can a true sports fan really in his or her heart feel that a man like this is a deserving world champion? To borrow his own words, Vettel, by the manner in which he achieved victory, doesn’t deserve to be F1 World Champion.

      12. cka_bob says:

        I agree with Kex, you can’t call the fans unsporting when Vettel has shown many times how unsporting he can be. Webber has retaliated a few times, but can we really blame the poor guy? I’m glad the fans are making their feelings known. Some of us (almost half of us according to the cote above^^) want to make sure he knows that we don’t think much of his behavior. He may be nice most of the time but when he’s not he’s a nasty piece of work. He IS unsporting- just like Schumacher before him. 1994 was my first taste of this sort of behavior. Poor Hill that year. People are keen to forgive and forget when justice isn’t done, i don’t get it? Both these guys are willing to cheat in the moment, and the moment is what counts for me. Anyway i’m sure at least half of you will completely disagree so i guess it’s lucky the crowd can’t be gagged ;)

      13. growers says:

        Well put Wayne.

      14. Hari says:

        I completely agree with KeX. Well put.

        I remember having the same feelings about Schumacher years ago. I respect him as a driver, but I lost respect for him as a person. How can you respect someone who’s willing to cheat to win?

      15. Cremto says:

        i totally agree with KeX – well said

      16. Sebee says:

        Hari, you are a little confused. How exactly did Vettel cheat in Malaysia? He actually did the right thing. He raced when team orders told him not to.

        KeX is completely out to lunch. In F1 the first car you have to beat is your team mate. That Vettel is willing to battle to the very end and not let politics and team orders get in the way is to do what people tune in and pay for – motor racing, not politicking. If it was Kimi you would all say he’s just getting on with itm but because it’s Vettel, different tint glasses go on and thus see things differently.

      17. KeX says:

        Seebee, you’re the one who’s off your rocker. Are you seriously suggesting that Red Bull was favouring Webber? Vettel and his camp are the ones who have been doing all the politicking. That just proves you know NOTHING about F1 and the situation at Red Bull. Have you forgotten what happened at Silverstone in 2010, or in Turkey the same year – when everyone, including Hamilton (who had a front row seat), agreed that Vettel caused the crash with Webber, except for Red Bull and Helmut Marko.

        Drivers are being paid by their teams. It’s a given in ALL areas of life that you follow your employer’s instructions as far as your job is concerned. Last I checked, F1 is still a team sport. You want to get rid of team orders, restrict each team to a single car like some categories of racing. Otherwise, team orders are perfectly legitimate and should be obeyed.

        I don’t see why there should be any exception made for Vettel. Webber was following instructions to dial back and bring the car home. Vettel chose to ignore the instructions he received. Contrast this with Rosberg and Hamilton in the same race.

        I’m sure glad I don’t work with you or have to meet you on any sports field. With your warped sense of “fair play”, I’ll have to wear plate armour on my back at work and be ready for blows below the belt in sports.

        And I’ll say this: I’m a Kimi fan but if he does the same thing as Vettel to his teammate, I will stop supporting him and condemn him equally for his actions.

        You, sir, are NOT making any sense at all.

      18. KeX says:

        Oh yes, I forgot to add: I can’t see how anyone can call Vettel’s actions in Malaysia anything but a betrayal.

        It may have been different if Vettel had made it known to Webber before the race that he will not be obeying any team orders. But Vettel didn’t (probably expecting any team orders to be in his own favour). Webber therefore conducted his race believing that Vettel would honour any orders the team gave, only to be stabbed in the back.

        This is not the actions of a sportsman and a worthy champion. And what kind of person actually thinks this is defensible? I would call such a person a viper, but I wouldn’t want to insult vipers.

      19. Yorrick says:

        I totally agree that this needs to stop.. Vettle whatever is.. is a good driver and needs to be appreciated for that. Yes it’s true he goofed up or got lost it the fame, but does not everyone?? I think its human to make mistakes one in a while.I totally understand the ferrari supporters booing him because where else is the spice going to be if there are no rivals. But booing someone who’s being booed for constant wining is UNFAIR!! this will break the driver down for being good at what he does. I think Vettle is one of the best drivers in our generation and needs to be appreciated.

      20. f1_fan says:

        you make a good point actually. may be f1 should get rid of podium interviews for good. it cannot be good for sport for winners or f1 champs getting booed, this can only escalate as fans of vettel might retaliate, by booing his rivals probably in germany, I enjoyed those interviews for sure, but I will not miss them, its not like they we been in sport for long.

      21. Razorsedge says:

        As stated above, scrap the Podium interviews. (Post race press conference handles the task).
        I think they are an embarrassment for everyone. Martin Brundle reduced to wagging his finger at the audience like children is ridiculous.

      22. Charlie says:

        What about those of us who attend races? Drop the podium interviews and the drivers just disappear into a room after the champagne? Podium interviews provide a small piece of driver access for fans in a sport where it is only possible to get close to the stars if you are seriously well-heeled.

      23. Sebee says:

        Exactly Charlie!!!

      24. GWD says:

        @Charlie/all others: The podium interviews suffer from poor preparation and execution. Having ‘celebrity’ interviewers exaserbates this problem in a hectic environment such as the podium surrounded by loud fans. They’re not trained to deal with remembering poignant questions with huge pressure from very loud post-race crowdmembers each with their joys and disappointments post-event. The solution is simple: Get a regular travelling journo with a clipboard (or tablet – shouldn’t be hard to build an Ask Podium Getters Questions app) full of prepared questions (which is strange not to use even with the celebrity interviewers like it sends some sort of image problem not to do them ‘off-the-cuff’ or from memory) to do the interiews. They’ll run smoothly, the journo will be professional and work within and around the crowd’s vocal responses, and important questions will be asked. The fans will enjoy at track as well as at home. Pity I can’t think of any journo who has effectively already done this sort of thing before and could manage this process ;)… or maybe?… nahhhh, surely not…

      25. Sebee says:

        GWD,

        Poor prep? Celebrity?

        That’s exactly what makes them fun. It’s a finishing speech to the contest that just took place on track. It’s spontanious, it’s fun, it’s unscripted, things will happen and it’s just great stuff with fans who paid dearly to participate in the celebration of the best motor sport on the planet and see the victors.

        If I’m in a crowd and a journo comes out onto the podium post race interview with a clip board like a square, I swear to you I will throw at the podium whatever is in my hand! Well, not really, but what you suggest would look REDICULOUS! Clip-board!? Prepared questions!? When DC got hosed down with Mums that was a great moment and a total party vibe. Boys being boys, playing with the most expensive toys.

        As for dealing with the crowd, drivers can suck it up and get used to it. If the price for success in F1 is that you have to get used to being in front of the public, it’s a cheery on the cake as far as I’m concerned!

        In conclusion GWD, I disagree with you in the most strongest way on every point you’ve made. :-)

      26. Sebee says:

        I think now that poll is back, it would settle this once and for all! But really, the logic for and against must be presented – like a political platform!

        Do you like the new Podium Interviews? Y/N
        :-)

      27. Random 79 says:

        Agreed.

        I’m not really sure why they’re persisting with them, although I suppose they might be okay if you’re actually in the crowd.

      28. Sebee says:

        For years we complain that F1 is not connecting with fans enough.

        So they bring the interview out from behind closed doors and let more fans at the track into the driver interview and you guys complain about it?

        I DON’T GET IT!!

      29. Random 79 says:

        That’s a very fair point Sebee and it’s good to see them trying.

        To be honest I’m probably not the best to judge how they have or haven’t improved as since the first one I’ve only watched Coulthard and Brundle interview the podium, but no matter who does it it just seems to be awkward.

        Again, it probably is a good thing for the crowd to see live, it’s just not so good to watch on TV.

      30. Sebee says:

        Fair point about the TV perhaps. But I actually like the additional interaction in front of fans.

        What do you expect in the back room? To see Vettel break down beacuse he hit 51 wins?

        They will talk about the pass, the strategy, the near miss, the banging of wheels with another car and what was covered in the room will be covered on the podium. Except fans will cheer. Or perhaps make ghost sounds.

      31. Random 79 says:

        I do think it’s interesting seeing the interaction between the drivers when they’re left alone in the cooldown room for a minute.
        Sure they’re still in front of the cameras – and they know it – but it just seems more honest and much less formulated.

        PS Hopefully Vettel is all cried out by the time he hits 50 ;)

      32. Sebee says:

        Vettel should really use my little line here next time he is booed.

        He should say: “I didn’t know ghosts were such great fans of Formula 1!” :-)

      33. Random 79 says:

        Yeah…but then they might start rattling chains too, which would probably be a bad thing…

      34. Sebee says:

        Poor Vettel! There is just no way he can win! :-)

      35. TJ says:

        could not agree more. They really need to drop the podium interviews.

      36. Tim says:

        Spot on. I much preferred the studio interviews.

      37. Andrew M says:

        I can’t understand why we can’t have both – give the podium interview to a local fan favourite (preferably one who speaks passable English…) to give the drivers a chance to talk directly to the fans and then a more serious, focused press-conference style interview (preferably conducted by James :))

      38. KRB says:

        They do have another press conference immediately after, but we don’t get to see that one now.

      39. James Allen says:

        You do on some of the pay platforms

      40. Simmo says:

        It does seem ridiculous that it is Martin Brundle, Eddie Jordan, or DC doing it for 3/4 of the races. One a season would be enough for them each.

      41. Simple says:

        Agreed.

      42. Paul Kirk says:

        I quite enjoy those interviews also the interviewers, but the lights should be positioned higher so everyone looks normal.
        Re Vettals lack of popularity, don’t forget he does things that invites critisism- think the finger, think the long boreing answers to interviewers, as well as the on-track antics that others have mentioned, combined with the fact he is percieved as RBR’s little golden-haired boy while Mark Webber seems to be getting inferior treatment/equipment.
        PK.

      43. Sebee says:

        Don’t forget that English is his second language, and he wants to explain and answer fully. And which finger should he raise up to indicate his finishing position?

        Finally, Alonso took a win by teammate crashing. How is the love thrown at him justified vs. Vettel who simply ignored a team order and continued to race for the win legally and fairly?

      44. mhilgtx says:

        Not to mention Mark’s inferior effort and attitude along with playing the press bragging about disobeying team orders and the list goes on. Vettel’s sins are mostly not being British or driving for Ferrari as far as I can see. He is also not the underdog and I understand that part of it. I was never much for rooting for the underdog just for the sport of it but some people are. I would love for their to be more competition at the top but unfortunately there is not. I do feel like much of the press especially the broadcasters have inadvertently turned the tide against Vettel because Webber has done a better job of playing the press, just like Alonso has done.

      45. RogerMore says:

        +2

      46. At the end of the day fans should be there to see a race and if Red Bull and Seb win legitimately then well done. I’m not sure what booing is even meant to achieve? Him to stop racing???

        Also at Monza it tends to be a more comedy boo historically where everything other red gets booed. But I always get the feeling its in good spirit rather than any bad feeling towards the others

      47. GWD says:

        Think Roger Federer. I can’t recall him ever being booed for prolific winning. He did get initially lambasted for crying once when he lost, in a sort of ironic way, but winning and post-match actions/presentations/manner etc, not that I can recall.

        Asking people not boo at F1 races, well you might as well ask football fans not to boo eachother at a ManU/Liverpool match or any other rivalry & code you can think of where fans are actively involved. To use the Tennis thing, good ole John McEnroe copped a few vocal disapprovals in his career from his on court antics, and from recollection (probably wrongly) it spurred him on in flat moments in a game. Anyway, I have digressed from the point.

        Vettel’s performances are still tainted with things of the past that can’t be ‘unremembered’ or re-remembered in context until he’s ticked them off the public’s unofficial Crit-list. He may not care to do these things, and the memories (albeit seletively unreliable) will remain intact. He may decide in his slowly growing wisdom to actually address these public image blemishes by just winning more and not having the protection blanket he’s still got and really doesn’t need at 26 or even back when he was first in the team. That we are yet to see.

        To finsih, I like the comment I read recently from Mark Webber to Daniel Ricciardo – that Daniel should be wary or watchful or careful of Seb – because Seb is constantly improving. He may not like the ‘Boy’ he’s not prepared to thump on the cliched advice of his Dad, but he understands and recognises Seb’s abilities, work ethic and efforts.

    2. dufus says:

      Horner also said “to me it was not sporting”.
      Was vettels pass on webber sporting ?
      I think not. Reap what you sow.

      1. Juzh says:

        How about webber attacking vettel in silverstone 2011 and then bragging to media that he for sure wanted to pass him as he’s trying to gain another position despite being told by the team not to? Forgot about that one? Hypocrite much?

      2. dufus says:

        Do you really think the vettel pass is the only display of poor sportsmanship by vettel.
        Don’t be so naive. i could list occasion after occasion and this is why people boo him.
        I don’t think anybody hates vettel. If they do they should get over it.
        But the fact remains people don’t like bad sportsmanship and for that reason people don’t like him.

      3. Allan says:

        Thank you, too many people brush off Webber’s similar episodes. Both drivers give as good as they get…

      4. Cromo says:

        There is a difference in showing you are faster (and obeying team orders) by NOT passing and showing you are faster (and disobeying team orders) and Passing. Clear cut I think.

      5. Rhino says:

        Ok Dufus list the many occasions then?

      6. Nas says:

        The difference was that in Silverstone 2011, Webber was caught Vettel fair and square and was quicker.
        The team told webber to stay behind vettel despite Webber being quicker.

        In Malaysia, Vettel ONLY caught Webber because he ignored the instruction to turn down his engine (as they were BOTH instructed to, and Webber did)

        Both very different scenarios, so don’t compare them.

        Nas

      7. bearforce says:

        I think it is difficult for us to understand the situation at RedBull. MArk Webber has always said he will not follow team orders. Mark has also demonstrated/showed that he will not follow tea orders.

        I think it is fair and understandable for Vettel to ignore team orders if Mark is not going to follow team orders.

        Vettel would be shooting himself in the foot if he followed team orders and didn’t have that reciprocated by Webber.

      8. Oletros says:

        > i could list occasion after occasion and this is why people boo him.

        Can you list them?

      9. Alexis says:

        Small difference – Webber didn’t actually pass him.

      10. Juzh says:

        @dufus
        sure, I’ll admit. He’s not THE most sporting man in F1, but just look at the antics schumacher pulled of, smashing into Villeneuve on purpose. Or alonso waving to his team furiously about not letting him past hamilton, or holding him in the pits so he couldn’t get another lap in. Or montoya cursing raikonnen on team radio. You call that sporting?
        Just shows people have an agenda against vettel and are using some incidents (which all look child stuff compared to what I listed above) to filter our their frustrations of his dominance recently.

      11. All revved-up says:

        “Mark . . . Maintain the gap” Silverstone 2011

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYPCS3VXxGY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

      12. JL says:

        OK he was booed in Malaysia, fair enough, but everytime is ridiculous – it’s the F1 version of attempted bullying

      13. rvd says:

        And of course vettel has never bullied anyone.

      14. Basil says:

        I would have booed Vettel if I was there. He is a very bad sportsman and F1 does not need such egoistic and classless people, despite his great talent.

      15. Sanjog says:

        +1000

      16. Tim says:

        Oh Please….

      17. KGBVD says:

        Basil, what are you on about?
        If there weren’t any egotistic ppl in F1 (regardless of talent), there wouldn’t be anyone left if F1.

      18. Quade says:

        It isn’t sporting.
        There’s no more to be said.

      19. cka_bob says:

        Booing isn’t a sport, the crowd isn’t why everyone was at the track, it was Formula One. Vettel is under the spotlight not the crowd, if the crowd want to boo let them boo. I would have as well. He’s a cheat and unsporting and NOW there’s no more to be said.

      20. Richard says:

        Entirely agree with that statement. Vettel is a great driver, but poor sportsman as demonstrated by the stunt he pulled on Webber. Fans don’t forget these things easily and he is now reaping the result.

      21. Kirk says:

        If you drive a Ferrari car it is forgotten easily, just look Shumy or Alonso, those two had done worse things against their teamates and anybody is booing Alonso for example knowing that he won a race just because his teammate crash on porpoise or Massa got his gearbox seal broken just to make Alonso gain one place on the grid.

      22. JC says:

        If Vettel isn’t sporting, what can be said of Schumi or Senna taking a rival out to win a championship ! I don’t recall anything similar to this.

        This is embarrassing. Enough is enough… Please stop

      23. cka_bob says:

        I remember them all. Senna i would say there was another side to his story too, but who knows really, there were some dubious incidents. Shumacher, Alonso and Vettel all cheats. It’s made double bad when you have guys like Jenson who as far as i can recall have been pretty decent down the line. Make the others look properly spoilt brats to me.

      24. cka_bob says:

        Sorry JC, drivers need to know that we don’t like cheats, that way they will stop doing it. If they don’t stop doing it and they just want to be at the top of the stats at any cost then they can have the “most booed f1 driver” on us.

      25. Craig D says:

        He didn’t deserve to be booed after such a performance in Singapore. He did wrong in Malaysia and deserved the flack but now it’s akin to a child (or adult even!) doing something wrong and constantly being punished even when they do something right.

        I think the booing is more jealousy for him constantly winning to be honest. It started due to Malaysia but has now become a seemingly acceptable habit. It might be boring but you have to give credit where it’s due. (And it isn’t simply all about Newey – that should be plain by now.)

      26. cka_bob says:

        Maybe if he could see his wrong doing and not said he would do it again people would let it go. The fact he still thinks he did nothing wrong really upsets some of us. No regret whatsoever. If i knew this guy in real life and he did something which was generally regarded as wrong and he got away with it and even after being confronted he had not regret at all, i wouldn’t want to have anything to do with him. Having him up on a podium all the time is worse!

      27. Andrew M says:

        As much as I dislike the booing and totally condemn anyone who does that, Vettel has brought this upon himself. This didn’t exist before Malaysia, and although people try to brush off his negative, “entitled” reputation as something created by the team and out of his control, his actions in Malaysia (and the subsequent non-action by the team against him) have reinforced this belief.

      28. Chris says:

        Yes it did he was booed in Australia i.e before Malaysia

      29. George says:

        He was booed before Malaysia…in Australia. But that’s because of another reason…

      30. Grabyrdy says:

        Not only that. It’s always Mark’s car which has problems at the start, always Mark’s car which breaks down. Lots of people find that spooky, not to say suspicious.

      31. Oletros says:

        > always Mark’s car which breaks down

        But it is not true, car failures and problems are moreless split at 50% between the two, in fact Vettel has suffered more DNF than Webber

      32. UAN says:

        You mean like in Silverstone this year when Vettel’s car broke down? Or the underfueling in quali at Abu Dhabi last year? Vettel’s lost 7-8 wins due to reliability over the years (being in the lead and his car dying – Valencia ’12, Abu Dhabi ’11, Korea ’10, Australia ’10, Bahrain ’10, etc.)

        Or Webber’s poor get away in Abu Dhabi last year when you know RB wants him to stay in front of Alonso? It was so bad it messed up Button’s start and allowed Alonso to pass both Button and Webber. Or the Kers failure in Austin when he was in front of Alonso and those points gained by Alonso put more pressure on Vettel? Or the Kers failure in India where it allowed Alonso past him?

        It doesn’t serve RB for the WCC or for Vettel’s WDC hopes for Webber to have car problems.

      33. Kirk says:

        That also happened to Barrichelo, Massa, Grosjean and many more teammates, call it the champion luck or maybe that been in a bad position makes your force the car more or whatever, besides F1 been a sport it’s also a business and a car in F1 cost too much money so it is not logical to brake it on purpose.

      34. David says:

        I’m not a Vettel fan since Malaysia, but you have to admire and respect his talents. Maybe his car finishes more often because he’s easier on it.

      35. Grabyrdy says:

        btw, just to be clear, I’m not saying that I necessarily find it suspicious, just trying to explain the booing. We’ll see how it goes next year, won’t we ?

      36. Bruno Menilli says:

        This point is not about instances where drivers have been accused of suspectedly acting in a unsporting way, but about Horner stating that booing Vettel is unsporting ?

        Why didn’t Horner say the something along those lines when Vettel disobeyed team orders ?

        At Silverstone Webber did not pass Vettel, but just let him know that he could have – how is that unsporting ?

        Perhaps Ecclestone should invite Horner to a football match to listen to the booing etc – so that Horner can see that what he has now said is nonsense.

        Webber and Raikkonen are the type of drivers that the fans like and respect.

        Even Schumacher never disobeyed team orders but Vettel did and deserves the booing.

      37. drama queen says:

        +1

      38. Oletros says:

        > At Silverstone Webber did not pass Vettel, but just let him know that he could have – how is that unsporting ?

        Ahem, Webber didn’t pass Vettel because he couldn’t not because he didn’t wanted.

        And how do you name what Webber did on Brazil 2012?

        Selective memories too much?

      39. All revved-up says:

        I like Vettel. Nice bloke outside the car, and huge talent. Straight talking Webber’s fantastic – refreshing and provides genuine comments to difficult issues – like the political situation in some countries.

        I know Webber’s not an angel. But if I’m honest, if I were in Webber’s position in Malaysia having worked so hard for the win, and was informed by the team that the multi 21 instruction had been issued, only for my teammate to ignore it and sail by – I would feel very betrayed. I would feel upset for quite sometime.

        It may be easy for objective dispassionate F1 observers to make a balanced case both ways – but to the aggrieved, and his fans, it’s human to feel betrayed and upset.

        Emotions are a wonderful thing. But emotions also have the consequence that makes it hard to get over feelings of betrayal.

        But eventually emotions ebb away. It just takes time.

        Those of us who have quarreled with loved ones will know this – emotions like anger take time to subside. But eventually they do.

      40. David says:

        +1

        He brought it on himself. With the price of tickets so high, you can boo if you want. Still much more civilized than some of the comments thrown at black football/soccer players.

      41. And, let’s not forget that his version of telling folks he’s Number one is seen by many as presenting the flying fickle finger of fate to the fans. . . and perception is reality in many views. Palm out would be the preferred method and less likely, methinks, to cause confusion.

      42. Richard says:

        Totally agree. Vettel in my view has been building this for some time. Let’s not forget the stunt he pulled when he veered into Webber and accidentally made contact a while back, then there was the multi 21 incident, and of course the finger get’s up everyone’s nose. He’s a great driver, but poor sportsman in my view. Going back in time Webber and Vettel were close in terms of performance, but I feel the car is designed around Vettel, and the problems Webber has been rather to frequent. His clutch is a prime example.

      43. cka_bob says:

        Let the crowd boo all they want. Look at the guys we voted into parliment, all they do is Jeer and Bo all day and YOU pay them to. The crowd paid for their own tickets, if you don’t like being boo’ed regularly don’t do something no one will ever forget. Duh!

      44. Robbie says:

        Mark has betrayed Seb and the team on several occasion including Brazil 2012. I’m glad he is leaving Red Bull. And if Seb does have some Number 1 status how is it different to Alonso having Number 1 status at Ferrari?

      45. Bruno Menilli says:

        I love watching F1 and I’m not a statistics nerd – as I said this is about Horner’s ‘unsporting ‘ remarks and not the minutiae of the last half century of F1 records and stats.

      46. Sut says:

        Correct !

      47. Victorinox says:

        People love winners, but honorable winners. That’s why Schumacher was booed several times as well. He crossed the line too many times (Crashing Villeneuve in ’97, or parking his Ferrari in Monaco ’06, etc etc) I don’t think there is any problem with Vettel’s domination, however, Malaysia will haunt him for a while. His attitude after the Malaysian race isn’t helping either. At first, he admitted his mistake, and I think most people were willing to let it pass. Unfortunately, he later reversed his apologies, and the booing became the norm.

      48. mhilgtx says:

        Kind of like When Weber almost crashed Vettel in Brazil and let his very dear friend Alonso pass him to help Alonso’s chances of winning the WDC you mean that kind of good sportsmanship displayed by the angel that is Mark Webber?

        That doesn’t even get into “crash gate” Alonso.

      49. cka_bob says:

        Alonso is not much better i agree but neither has he said he would do it again and has no regrets. Nor have any of his team managers called any crowd members that might have booed unsporting. Mark Webber may have retaliated but this is already after getting second best treatment in the team. You are twisting the truth to make Mark look like the villain. The truth is he is just standing up for himself- makes him more popular and Vettel less. Good on ya mate!

      50. Andre says:

        I would like to see this list of yours of all the occasions Vettel was a bad sportsman.
        I’m serious.

    3. Gazza says:

      This negative image is as much Horners doing as anybodys.

      Malaysia “Multi 21″ ,despite Vettels fans protestations, was a big deal.

      I have never seen a team boss appear so weak and ineffectual before.

      Therfore the neutreal F1 fans conclude that if Vettel can thumb his nose to his boss in public you begin to wonder who is actually running the team.

      Drivers come and go, no driver is bigger than the team, look at Alonso,s slap down from Montezemolo after his mis-judged comments.

      Red Bull haven’t learnt that lesson yet.

      1. BigHaydo says:

        You are absolutely right about Red Bull not having learned their lesson. Part of the problem is the way that Red Bull have built up Vettel over the years to the point where it all feels contrived. I remember walking into the Australian GP precinct as early as 2009 and being assaulted by Red Bull’s marketing materials featuring Sebastian, despite the fact that it was Mark’s home race… it’s almost as if Vettel is F1′s version of Justin Bieber.

        It’s not just Multi-21, it’s things like the mystery ‘cracked chassis’ to explain the gulf of performance over 2 weekends dominated by Webber, the position they took on Turkey 2010, the insistence to keep Vettel in the hunt in the final stages of the 2010 championship when they could have closed it out with Mark. The fact that Vettel had not only Webber, but both Toro Rossos to cede track position when needed. Also even when Vettel struggles with the car he can’t win races and isn’t brilliant in traffic, but wins everything from the front row by breaking the DRS in clean air. The almost scripted pit-to-car radio after every race (“YES! That’s what I’m talking about!” + multiple fingers).

        Multi-21 also rankles because it was a case of a guy that has benefitted from team orders on multiple occasions not even taking one for the team. Webber might not have been faster in Malaysia, but he played the team game, managed the tyres when there was a massive question mark over them, and made the right calls at the right times (i.e. swapping the inters for dry tyres). The sadder thing is that it would appear on face value that Mark hasn’t been allowed to race with him since.

        At the pinnacle of motorsport, the differences between drivers like Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton, Raikkonen are so small, so it is frustrating even for a casual observer for a guy to consistently vanquish his rivals without them even getting a look-in.

      2. UAN says:

        ” the position they took on Turkey 2010, the insistence to keep Vettel in the hunt in the final stages of the 2010 championship when they could have closed it out with Mark. ”

        Mark could have closed it out with Mark. He crashed in Korea and was fortunate that Vettel’s car broke down to even be in the hunt after that. And he could have closed it out with an excellent qualifying in Abu Dhabi and the race. Inadvertently he did help Vettel, because he had to pit so early, Alonso covered him. (Oh, and there was talk about the Toro Rosso’s helping Webber and hindering Alonso there, so Vettel isn’t the only one benefitting from TR).

      3. Joe_in_Miami says:

        +100000000000

      4. drama queen says:

        yes, thats what im talkin bout.
        Well said BigHaydo

      5. cka_bob says:

        100% Agree BigHaydo, he has now made himself the subject of Scrutiny- stuff that would ordinarily be allowed to slip he is getting hammered for and it’s his own fault. His is team number 1 and Webber has a lot more bad luck/ bad starts than Vettel- it’s just another talking point regardless if there is any truth in the ‘bad car webber conspiracy’ . He might even end up being negative for the brand. Pretty nasty drink for you anyway…

      6. Andre says:

        People have to ask themselves why Vettel said that Webber didn’t deserve to win. That had nothing to do with the race itself, he did not deserve it because of things that had happened before.

        And this part is just funny :
        ..”Also even when Vettel struggles with the car he can’t win races and isn’t brilliant in traffic, but wins everything from the front row by breaking the DRS in clean air. The almost scripted pit-to-car radio after every race (“YES! That’s what I’m talking about!” + multiple fingers).”

      7. James Allen says:

        I think it was a left over from the start at Brazil the year before. I hadn’t realised how much that rankled until Adrian Newey confined it to me in a recent interview

      8. BigHaydo says:

        See I’m surprised about that one, James. if Webber really wanted to squeeze him he still had quite a few metres to play with. I maintain that turn 3 was Vettel’s doing, and even if he was out of synch from the first corner it’s nothing less than what Webber has to contend with at most races! Frankly I would have preferred to have a team mate in close-ish proximity so that my car is a little harder to hit by someone misjudging closing speed

      9. Logie says:

        I agree, it comes down to weak management, you can’t blame Mark or Seb, they’re out there driving to the best of their ability, they want to win.
        It looks like Red Bull will win a 4th Constructors Title. Webber and Vettel will become the 2nd best pairing in F1 history. But all I see from Red Bull is praise for Seb. While Webber seems to be forgotten.

      10. Quade says:

        Yes, Vettel has a negative image that is every bit his fault and Red Bulls. Firstly, there’s the idiotic finger thing he does, there’s the wild whooping, the saying f*ck as many times as possible on live TV even after caution, the numerous incidents with Webber; eg taking pieces off his car to put on Vettels, Turkey, Multi-21 etc.
        Then there’s the teams appalling bias and thw way Webber seems to always develop “strategic” KERS, engine and gearbox failures. Its way too much.

        However, it is TABOO to boo a driver, even if it is an unpopular Vettel.

      11. Andre says:

        Ofcourse those things only happen at RB.
        No other team favoures one driver over the other.

        Finding the way a driver celebrates disturbing is childish.

        What is the difference between Vettel’s finger and Alonso’s ‘talking’ hands? It is not disrespectful in any way.

      12. Quade says:

        I’m sure you will find that the vast majority of people are irritated by Vettels over the top whooping and his rude finger. But then, maybe the vast majority are childish. No?

      13. cc says:

        Spot on re Horner. What a contrast with the respect Brawn’s drivers showed him. (Seb and Marko have more control of the team than Horner. Was laughable that a top driver would ever be partnered with Seb when MW left. And how many top teams would have gone after a Ricciardo?)
        JA notes that Seb apologized after the Malaysia race but then at the next race he said he’d do it again. So what did the “apology” mean? His words rang empty—to put it politely. I admire his skill as a driver but don’t care for his person. His incredible childish ‘crazy’ motion for Mark in Turkey put me off. I see no indication that his character is any different now than then.
        He could learn something from the likes of a Moss. Why is he so loved and respected when his ‘points’ are so miniscule?? To each his own value system.

      14. Emanuel says:

        Childish? You guys seem to forget that he was a 23 year old pumped up with adrenalin from racing the fastest cars in the world, that just crashed out with his team mate, who he thought was asked to help him. I bet most of you guys react stronger and more childish playing video games. Only difference is you get to keep your dignity because there is no camera capturing your meltdown.

        As far as Malaysia goes, the only thing I wished for is that he would’ve spoken his mind, that he didn’t believe Mark earned that win, right then and there.

        Yes he is not a cool as Kimi, but for the most part he stays away from mind games and gossip. He is incredible mature for a 26 year old, considering the pressure he has to live with.

      15. Adrian Newey Jnr says:

        Totally agree regarding the contrast between Horner and Brawn. Ross commands respect within the team. Other great team principals like Jean Todt did the same. Unfortunately Christian is merely the corporate mouthpiece now, forced to apologise for the actions of those behind the scenes who really control the team.

      16. Michael says:

        This!

        +100

      17. Tom L says:

        Agree’d Vettel comes out of it looking like a spoilt kid whos parents are too fraid to say ‘no’ to. He’s grown up in the sport expecting everything from his team and he’s been given it.

        You see it in Horner’s language too, he refers to Vettel as ‘boy’ or ‘kid’ all the time.

        There are popular and unpopular winners for a reason, Vettel needs to grow up, show some humility and respect and he’ll get the same from the fans.

      18. myra idlan says:

        OMG but he is a carpenter son .

      19. Chris M says:

        It goes beyond that. It’s also the petulant messages over the radio that betray a sense of entitlement, all the “get him out of my way” messages or “he’s too slow”. Then you have the way Vettel and the team immediately blamed Webber for the Turkey incident, despite it being more Sebastian’s fault. And you have all the “brand” building that Red Bull and Vettel have been attempting. Waiving the finger, the forced celebrations on the radio, etc. Occasionally those radio celebrations, where he’s had to really fight for a result, sound genuine but more often than not they sound forced and are irritating. “Yes, yes and yes again”, “that’s what I’m talking about”, etc.

        And then there’s the car advantage, which rightfully or wrongly is perceived to be gifting him a series of championships. Whenever he hasn’t had a blown diffuser advantage and a faster car than the rest of the field he’s been very quick and fast, but less consistent and by no means dominant. You never had the feeling that he was head and shoulders above the Alonsos, Hamiltons, and Raikkonens of this world. Yet performances like his one yesterday suddenly, in the middle of the season, give him a 2 second a lap advantage. There is no way that he suddenly became 2 seconds a lap quicker, it has to be the car. So there’s no sense of a fair fight.

        And finally you have the sense that either Vettel or Red Bull (or both) bottled a straight fight with Raikkonen in the second car. They’ve gone for a rookie who, for all his strengths, hasn’t shown himself to have any more chance against Vettel than Perez has against Button. Give him another couple of years to mature and Ricciardo could be a great driver, but he’s not going to be a major threat next year.

        Vettel is a very good driver who has made the most of the cards he’s been dealt and deserves to be a world champion, but I don’t believe that he’s shown himself to be significantly faster or stronger than his peers to deserve four straight titles in a row often without a fight.

      20. drama queen says:

        Chris, did you see the teams reaction to Webbers 1st win at Monaco ? Marks partner Anne Neal said, “The reaction of the team was like someone had died”. I also, via the power of television saw that Red Bull were unhappy Vettel did not win.
        They are the polar opposite of what a team is full stop. I beg anyone to go back and watch the footage and tell me differently.

      21. Brukay says:

        Chris i suggest you go and watch another sport instead of your childish rants on this site which have become tiresome soccer would be good start

      22. Joe B says:

        @ BigHaydo and Chris M – Spot on. At this stage the booing is wrong (at Malaysia it was fully justified), but if anything I think it’s the lack of media acknowledgement of the point of view you outline above that is frustrating fans more than anything. Therefore, although it’s wrong, the podium interview is the only way for this frustration to be heard, albeit in the worst manner possible.

        All I can add is that 2012 is the first season Seb’s looked like the best driver in the field, rather than the best of two drivers in the best car. Seems poetic that this is the season his dissenters use their voice.

      23. Joe B says:

        *I meant 2013, not 2012 – I wish we could edit our comments!

      24. Joe_in_Miami says:

        I could not agree more with this comment, especially the part about the 2-second advantage.

        I challenge anyone on this or other forum to explain to me how is it possible that a car has a 2 to 3 second advantage to the rest of the pack in today’s world, where engineering talent and money is well spread in at least 2-3 other teams.

        What are the Mercedes, Ferrari and Lotus engineers? dumb? I mean, even during the Schumacker domination there was a 0.5 to 0.75 difference not 2 to 3 seconds!!! And the German driver even lost sometimes!!

        This is a fake competition. Newey is only human.

      25. I know says:

        Vettel was on a different tyre strategy compared to many of the front-runners behind him: he was the only one with a set of new super soft tyres for the final stint, while almost everyone else was on medium tyres, or tried to do it with one less pit stop than Vettel after the safety car.

      26. Marsh says:

        I’m surprised people still think his encounters with Webber is the cause of the boos. Horner knows why, but is just trying to control the narrative using Webber’s incident.

        The fans are simply bored with the uncompetitive nature F1 has become, and they see Vettel as the symbol of this. Challenge is the lifeblood of any sport. Without that a sport drifts into the realm of entertainment. I’m sure this is the main reason for the numerous regulations governing the sport, just that there will be a level playing field. That is not the case presently, and the fans feel cheated. Fans want to go to these races not too sure driver A is always going to win. It is that kind of uncertainty that makes football so popular.

        The Red Bulls Have been a phenomenal team and are certainly the envy of the others. The other teams will have to seriously raise their game to save F1. Last year’s McLaren shows the Red Bulls can be beaten. It will however need a lot of focus and operational efficiency to achieve that.

      27. Andre says:

        Turkey Vettel’s fault??

        Webber was driving a line that was more to the left then usual at that part of the track even when Vettel was already half passed him. How on earth can that be Vettel’s fault.

        And what all the other teams/drivers do in the championship is out of the hands of Vettel. It’s not his fault he has a great car. Give the guy some praise…he deserves it.

      28. Juzh says:

        You do realize hamilton was instructed to let alonso trough by his team in hungary 07 I believe , but simply refused to so, therefore undoubtedly putting his interests above the team and undermine ron denis’ authority. He then clearly stated in the press conference he did it on purpose. No one seems to recall that one.

      29. Gazza says:

        Precisely.!!

        This led to the downfall of Ron Denis from the team and the vilification of Hamilton by some F1 fans that continues to this day.

      30. Chris says:

        Good, team orders are not the reason I tune in on a Sunday.

      31. Bob says:

        I remember could not stand Hamilton after that for quite some. Over it now.

      32. Fada says:

        Agreed, but one, may argue that it was his rookie year, young, unwise, albeit skillful but still learning the art. I dont see Lewis disobeying team order nowadays. Even in malaysia, he was gracious enough to acknowlwdge Nico as the true owner of P3 whilst giving the podium interviews. Nobody booed vettel after his turkey incident either. Malaysia is different however, despite having been in the sport for a considerably longer period and with 3 championships to his name, one would expect a certain type of maturity to shown by him.
        I believe a humble (even if he did not mean it) apology would have been enough to avoid this now constant booing

    4. Marc Saunders says:

      The point is not that Vettel will be influenced by any boos, but that the booing fans show lack of dignity with unapropriate attitudes. In my oppinion are the fans (and their idol) the ones that losses face, not the Pilot (in this case Sebastian) that delivered a faultless driving.

      1. Alberto Dietz says:

        +7bn.

    5. myra idlan says:

      I think booing is unethical and those who agree to is definitely not sporting, uneducated and impolite,rude and arrogant, ego..whoever wins regardless whether the person is your idol or vice versa you should not boo… you should provide more support so that your idol will excel in the next challenge….

  2. Gudien says:

    Mark Webber is ‘playing’ on the un-fairness/sympathy factor. Disappointing. Perhaps it really is time for Mark to move on and race somewhere he is more competitive.

    Time, also, to change the location of interviews following races and do them in a place away from hooligans.

    1. Jato says:

      Not sure where Mark Webber is ‘playing’ on the the factor. He himself said after the Monza podium that it was wrong to boo Vettel. Perhaps in the past and there were certain situations where it was warranted but he is past the boo’ing as well.

      1. BoogWar says:

        When Vettel gives back the seven points back to Webbo, the boos will stop, I think. Since that is highly unlikely, I think that it is unsporting for Horner to come out in his defence. You behave a certain way, these are the consequences. Put your PR machine to work, Christian. But in the end it won’t matter. Whatever we think of him outside the car, in it he’s brilliant. WDC number four seems inevitable. As a HAM fan, I’m kinda pissed. What to do? LOL

      2. BigHaydo says:

        Absolutely. I love how the anti-boo brigade find it appropriate to tell everyone how they should feel. People don’t show this kind of emotion on a whim, so why make out that they are stupid, misinformed or unsporting? They are responding to a stimulus, who happens to win lots of races in a ‘boring’ way – it’s up to Red Bull and Vettel to find a way to mitigate this effect.

      3. Juzh says:

        There’s another way of looking at it. Vettel just took the points from webber back after he gave them to him at the brazilian gp 2011.

      4. cka_bob says:

        Great comments BoogWar and BigHaydo, i feel a little like it’s a battle between the people and the corporate machine- it’s good to see people can still voice their opinions on occasion- even if it is for a few moments on the telly. Long may it continue, shame there isn’t a crowd on the mainstream news these days too…..

    2. Dave C says:

      Webber is constantly stirring it, even when he blatantly ignore team orders and almost cost Seb the title last year in Brazil, besides Seb was boo’ed at Australia as well, if I’m not mistaken that was before multi 21.

      1. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

        He’ll be booed in Australia since that year he took Webber’s only new front wing after his was damaged.

        Maybe also because he moved over and rammed Webber that year in Turkey.

        The Aussies don’t tolerate a biased sporting contest, especially in a team against one of their own drivers.

      2. Basil says:

        And this is why Vettel deserves the booing. He is the golden boy in a biased team who pretends to be totally unbiased while stealing, for example, the FW from driver number two for their golden boy.

        It is this hypocrisy combined with his finger and screaming antics which makes him completely dislikeable.I am amazed how his fans cannot understand this.

      3. thegeoffro says:

        @Clarks4WheelDrift
        Probably the best comment I have read all year.
        I do not deny that Vettel is quick(obvious), but I think people forget that after the Multi 21 affair fans have had enough. To think that vettel is getting boed, may hurt his feelings, think for a moment what Webber must be feeling, coming from his own team.
        You can see in Webber’s performances since, that he has lost some serious confidence. Yeah you could hand the 7 points back, that is not the point. If Webber had won that race, do you think the rest of this season could be totally differnt. I for one believe that incident could have changed the course of Webber’s season.
        People mention Brazil 2012. People also forget that Webber actually let Vettel pass later in that race.
        As Webber fans, we feel that Red Bull is letting us fans down. We do not have a chance to cheer for a driver on equal paying field(period).

      4. John T says:

        Speak for yourself. Webber is an average driver in an exceptional car who looks for fault anywhere but where it belongs.
        Vettel isn’t my favourite but he is one of four top tier drivers and deserves more respect than he is being shown.

      5. Juzh says:

        Do you know the entirety of the front wing debacle in silverstone 2010? Vettel’s FW failed on its own and Webber himself told the team he does not find the new front wing useful in any way and only wanted to run it because that would prevent Seb from using it. It was a classic display of self-centric stuff from webber.

      6. Arnie S says:

        Since when was F1 a sport??

        It’s business.

      7. cka_bob says:

        Yes thegeoffro, @Clarks4WheelDrift and Basil. 100% with you!

      8. BigHaydo says:

        Love how Brazil 2012 comes up – what was Webber supposed to do off the start line? Just let loose cannons like Hulkenberg straight past them? There is another reason why Mark moved left towards turn 1, and it isn’t because of Vettel (hint: look at the fast-starting cars behind them). Vettel managed to stuff up turn 3 all by himself. Mark even moved aside for him in the race, so according to the Vettel fans he must have been hell-bent to stuff everything up.

      9. goober says:

        I’m so glad someone else remembers Webber allowing Vettel through on his recovery drive later in that race.

        Off the start, it’s everyone for themselves – Webber was defending from everyone.

      10. cka_bob says:

        Exactly Vettels incidents have been blatant and most of marks so called intentional moves have been conjecture. Admitted Mark has retaliated but not to the same degree and who can blame. I don’t understand how these types of drivers can be defended on the basis that someone else once did something bad too. Surely just because someone once got away something doesn’t mean that should always be the case? How would anything change? Shumacher, Alonso even Hamilton have all cheated, lied or disobeyed at some point and it should not be tolerated anymore, regardless of what happened in the past.

      11. Anil Parmar says:

        Mark didn’t do anything to Seb in Brazil. I’ve watched his start onboard numerous times and I’m fed up of Seb fans acting as though he did something terrible!

      12. JCA says:

        According to an Autosport magazine article (June 6, page 19) the team was furious with him afterwards for ‘chopping’ his teammate. Its not just Vettel fans who think that.

      13. Spinodontosaurus says:

        Then I’m sorry to say, but you are blind. Webber squeezed him clear as day, had to be TOLD to let Vettel pass him later on, and then even tried to overtake him after a Safety Car restart!
        Contrast to Massa who did his utmost to block a train of cars that built up behind Alonso early on.

    3. drama queen says:

      When you are an F1 driver you can pretty much drive a car fast. You are only ever going to be as good as the machinery under you.
      I think the location of interviews and being exposed to the fans directly is very important.
      Without fans there is no show. They boo one driver and one driver alone. The fans need to have a voice whether its palatable to team owners and principles who cares ?
      F1 is owned by fans of any opinion, period.

      1. cka_bob says:

        Amen to that!

  3. K says:

    Anyone who supports this kind of low unsporting behavior and claiming it is OK to boo, does not belong in F1 and should be talked about in a very negative way so they are too embarrassed to do it again.

    And many people on Tiwtter who were present are claiming it was a group of Ferrari supporters who were chanting for Alonso and then booed Vettel. Similar to Montreal and Hungary, when people Tweeted and Sky pundits live on air said it was a group of Ferrari fans who were booing after they chanted for Alonso.

    See the pattern?

    It is not about multi21, Turkey, front wings, aliens. Those are all excuses used to hide the real reason. It is about “boohoo my favorite driver Alonso isn’t winning”. Childish, unsporting, pathetic.

    1. Trent says:

      I don’t think that’s entirely true. We haven’t seen patterns of behaviour from the crowd to this extent before, from Ferrari fans or anyone else. There’s more to it than you describe.

      1. celeste says:

        Whatever the excuse that people, they are not fans, use to justify booing is pathetic.

        You don´t need to like a driver/ team or sportman and Vettel did nothing wrong today to deserve being booing.

        Booing has no place in sport, in any sport.

      2. MISTER says:

        Who said it he needs to do something today to be booed? When you act un-sportmanship, you take the risk of something like this happening. He wasn’t popular before that, and he should’ve been advised by RBR PR team not to do anything like that…

        If this booing would take place just because Vettel was winning race after race, then I agree it is wrong. But given the history with front wings, Turkey 2010, Malaysia 2013..I’m not suprised.

        In football, they boo when someone does a dangerous tackle or acts un-sporty, so why should’ve we be allowed to boo someone which acted so un-sporty multiple times even if it’s in the past? It’s a choice between cheering, being neutral and booing.

        The booing is just a way for the fans to express how they feel about a certain individual, and this doesn’t happen without reason. And who’s to say that the booing should stop after one race of the incident?

        I voted YES, it is wrong, but I dislike Vettel-RedBull connection. Is not personal to Seb, but completely related to his past behaviour and how RedBull dealt with it.

      3. RogerD says:

        It’s become a pantomime now, unfortunately, with Seb being the dastardly villain of the piece. And it won’t stop any time soon. Protestations from Horner will probably only make it worse. He’s there saying “Oh, no he’s not”. Crowd: “OH, YES HE IS!” Booooo! Hissss!

        All the Vettel fans can bang on endlessly about the injustice of it all, list his achievements and laud his greatness (and they have a point) but it ain’t going to make a lick of difference.

        A boss of mine always used to tell me two things “perception is reality” and “people rarely change their mind”. He was talking about change management, but it applies generally too.

        Seb’s the pantomime villian of the F1 circus. Right or wrong, that’s the perception of the great unwashed masses of F1 fans. They won’t change their mind any time soon. If RBR stop winning so much, Seb changes teams and struggles for his wins a bit more then the masses may dislike him less. He’ll never be a favourite though.

        Yes, its all unfair, irrational, childish, unsporting, pathetic … but that’s people for you.

      4. gadfly says:

        @RogerD – Brilliant comment. I wonder where this will all end… maybe it will peter out, but I’m not so sure.

      5. Tim says:

        @ Trent
        You are right +1.

    2. JL says:

      well, all drivers could be booed then. Would the fans have booed Senna every race after he took PRost out?

    3. danny11 says:

      Wrong!People boo in other sports soccer, tennis, basketball (especially during opponents free throws etc.)so why wouldn’t they do it in F1? It is not nice but it is a part of the sport. And who are you to tell anybody who belongs as a fan in this sport? Think before you make nazi comments like this! I would have never done it myself but it’s called freedom of speech you xenophobe!!!

      1. Russ says:

        Bravo!
        All of the political correctness police are a joke.If I have to sit there with my hands crossed to please you clowns,Ill pass.Only bad sportsmanship would make me boo,whether you are a driver OR a fan.

      2. Tyemz says:

        Yes it happens in every sport. Michael Owen, reporting for Sky, was continuously booed by city fans yesterday for being an ex-Utd player and probably for that (in)famous dying minute goal he scored against them years ago. of course he knew what he would be up against courageously took stood there in front of those sky blues, smiling and getting on with his job. Why don’t Vet have the courage to stand up to the booers instead of looking up to Horner denounce booers for expressing themselves.
        No surprise that some people are calling for podium interviews to be scrapped because Vettel’s at the receiving end considering that the same people called for tyres to be changed when RB were not winning on them. Come on! Vettel knew what he would be up against when he ambushed his teammate in Malaysia and still went ahead to do what he did, let him face the consequences.

      3. Spinodontosaurus says:

        People have been calling for the interviews to be scrapped since they were introduced in Silverstone last year…

      4. HBerg says:

        In individualistic sports, booing a particular sportsperson is harsh.

        Booing a team is not so hurtful – particularly if there are only two teams competing. In this situation, you want you team to win and the other team to lose – so you might boo the other team. In basketbal/football/soccer, “the whole team” gets booed. During free throws or free kicks, fans might boo to put the opponent player off.

        Keep in mind that F1 is a totally different ballgame (excuse the pun). If the fans of one sportsperson boos his opponent, then there is logic in that. Eg Nadal fans might boo Federer and vice versa. People make mention of Usain Bolt. If he was booed, then I am sure he would be affected. He’ll be saying, why aren’t they booing the other guys?

        In F1, it is a totally different sport. I don’t see Vettel fans booing RAI or ALO? So, why is it that VET is getting booed? How come no other driver is getting booed? What about GRO in 2012 – wouldn’t he have deserved some booing as well?

        Because F1 is different, it should not be compared to other sports.

        As another poster said, there is more too it…. It seems VET is being targeted / discriminated against.

        As for freedom of speech, what about trolling, hating, racial abuse (verbal)? Are they ok since they fall under the umbrella of freedom
        of speech?

        As long as this story/incident gets coverage, then I believe the booing will eventually cease, as the booers will receive a some backlash from “vigilante” fans. Maybe the BBC/SKY should point their cameras on the booers so that these people can be shamed. Showing them on the big screens at the race will ensure these booers have a bumpy ride home.

        Btw, I am a Ferrari and ALO fan. I am not keen on Vettel robbing Alonso of this 3rd / 4th WDC, but even this makes me cringe when watching the podiums.

      5. danny11 says:

        You are taking my words in putting it out of the context. I didn’t say it is ok to do it but why would you say that F1 as a sport is a different ballgame as compared to mentioned tennis. Tennis is a most nobel sport, or at least it should be and what happens every Us Open. They constantly boo against Djokovic because he is the best and he keeps beating all the American players. How he deals with it? He mentally shows his greatness and level of professionalism that golden boy Vettel apparently doesn’t have. And answer to your question on racial or nationalistic insults; that is not freedom of speech and those people should be persecuted criminally!!! He should ask himself why they are booing him is it because he is a great driver, which he is, or because of his character of the track?

      6. MISTER says:

        Why boo Grosjean? He did had a lot of incidents, but he didn’t show disrespect. He came and apologized. He didn’t shift blame on others.

        If I chose to boo Vettel in the grandstand, I’m not gonna cover up with a hoodie and do it. Why should I be ashamed of it? It’s a choice I made and as long as I have a good reason, that’s all that matters to me.

        Why should Vettel be allowed to call Mark crazy and shift the blame on him in Turkey, or disrespect agreements made before the race and get away with it, and I can’t express my opinion without being ashamed?

      7. DEANO says:

        I think your right on with your comment. I love F1 and have been a fan for 50 years, so yes I’m likely older then most of the people posting comments about the booing. One point I would like to make is that these young and very talented drivers risk their lives each time they get in their cars. That alone makes me respect them. To me how they handle the selves and how they treat their teammate makes no deference, at least to me. The old saying “never judge a person unless you walk around in his or her shoes”. We tend to judge, in this case Vettel for what he did in a particular race, but doing that we still miss the point. Auto racing is a sport, but it’s also a show and/or entertainment. Today it seems that people get so passionate about things, their passion can easily lead to HATE. If you don’t believe me just read some of the posts on FB about Vettel, In the world we live in HATE seems to be a passion of choice for many, many people. Once you hate you lose all since of resonating. The issue of booing is just one example of how our society has changed. It’s certainly shows a lack of respect for the other persons point of view. I’ve been very lucky in my working career to have been to many podium presentations and when my favorite driver wins, one didn’t chose that moment to boo, but today it’s common. Imagine how a Vettel fan must feel when they hear those boos. Imagine how you would feel if your favorite driver was booed after winning a race. You don’t have to like all drivers, but at least respect them for what they do and how much skill it takes to drive an F1 car.

      8. cka_bob says:

        Too many comments for me to keep commending people, shame there’s no ‘like’ button … Looking forward to the podium now…

      9. cka_bob says:

        @ Hberg F1 Vigilantes? You are joking right?

    4. Marc Saunders says:

      Absolutely. They will boo whatever Sebastian does. And this is because they are unhappy with the result of the race. They should boo their favorite team or driver for not being competitive enough. Instead they boo Vettel and (in my opinion) loose face.

      1. Persi says:

        I don’t see how booing Vettel leads to those people losing face.

        Booing is not nice but it is people showing disrespect. In some ways Horner brought this on himself.

        As others have said people’s reactions to Vettel are based on accumulated incidents over the years. As for Multi 21, it was Vettel’s
        ‘maybe you are all living in a dreamland’ (his response to journalists’ queries of punishment/sanctions by the team) which I felt showed his true character.

    5. Torchwood Five says:

      Glad to see others spotted that. I have kept a note on the booing on the podiums, and was pleased when at first, there wasn’t any negative sounds from the crowd.

      Then while Vettel was being interviewed, there was the AL-LON-SO chanting, and it was blatently obvious that at no time during the boos, were there any simultaneous Alonso chants. Slam dunk, it was Alonso / Ferarri fans booing Seb on the podium, no-one else, no other reason.

      If the Sky presenters did not keep bringing up Malaysia, I doubt anyone would remember, let alone get vocal about it.

      Well done to Sebastian for Saturday and Sunday. Many thanks to Alonso for giving Webber a lift, and reviving the nostalgic and sporting image.

    6. KeX says:

      I was actually amongst the crowd on track in front of the podium at Singapore. The chant was “Webber, Webber”. Not Alonso like all the Vettel fan-boys and F1 official media like to claim. The booing is totally about the “multi-21″ at Malaysia and front wing incident at Silverstone years ago. True sports fans know that Webber has been given the short end of the stick in the Red Bull team over the last few years (just see how much faster Webber is on the Top Gear lap) and are reacting to that. Does Vettel, and in fact Red Bull and Horner, deserve to be booed? Most certainly.

      1. EA says:

        ^^ good post.

      2. Jato says:

        The thing is everyone thinks is just down to one or two things but it’s really a combination of things:

        - Vettel’s domination
        - RBR’s preferential treatment of Vettel over the years
        - Multi21
        - Vettel’s personality rubs people the wrong way
        - Fans of Hamilton/Alonso/Kimi aren’t fond of him

        Martin Brundle said basically all the people @ Silverstone booing Vettel was because of Multi21. The Canadians have been booing Vettel for years – I was there in 2011 and it was no different. The Aussies will boo him because of Webber’s treatment etc.

        TBH I don’t care about the booing in sports, its part and parcel of the job whether it is team of individual. Look at Shawcross (plays for Stoke) broke Ramsey’s leg a few years ago and still is being boo’d to this day whenever he touches the ball. Some things will remain in fans memories for a long time and you will be judged on that as sportsperson and that IMO goes for Vettel for Multi21/Front wing@Silverstone/Turkey2010.

    7. krischar says:

      @ K

      How on earth you can criticize Alonso or his followers for the vettel boo incidents

      Alonso or his followers have nothing to do with vettel boo’s

      This is very simple RBR have won all the WDC & WCC for the last 4 seasons with Factually at ease with no competiton what so ever. Even the failures and reliability problems failed to stop vettel / RBR in 2010

      While vettel did very little mistakes. This was a result due to the way RBR have been managed by certain key people in the team.

      RBR can only blame themselves for all the mess up

      1. Kirk says:

        If this is the reason why Vettel is being booed (hope is not), then is crazy, fans should then boo the teams that can’t compete. What do you want Red Bull to do if wining is the reason? lose races?

    8. Rishi says:

      I almost hate myself for thinking this but I don’t mind the booing. In my view, it is mostly because the guy is winning all the time and fans of other drivers are getting a bit fed up. The Malaysia incident tends to be overstated I think but if it did play a role I guess it brought to a head some of the “sense of entitlement”/chosen one in the best car debates that have been kicking around for a while. In a sense, it has given people a stick to beat him with, off the back of him always winning. If he was out of the championship hunt and got booed after finishing 3rd in a race then this for me would be more personally nasty and much less acceptable.

      I know in a perfect world we’d all doff our caps to a world-class driver at the top of his game with a world-class team at the top of theirs but we all did that in 2011 and there’s only so long before people start to want to see a different guy at the top of the standings. For the record, I’m broadly a neutral who on current form would like to see Vettel win this year’s title because, for me, he was fantastic yesterday and has been brilliant all season – the best driver. However, even I’m now reaching a point of conflict between my usually predominant meritocratic side (who wants simply to see the best driver-team combo win) and my sporting desire not to see the same driver-team combo winning every year (I actually wrote about this point – albeit not the booing – on a blog I wrote after Monza).

      In the Schumacher years of domination, his victories led to howls of dismay even from the media (or at least some parts thereof) and saw some pretty big rule changes, particularly to qualifying. In these Vettel years of domination, I guess fans have taken it upon themselves to protest by booing. I’d like to think I wouldn’t boo personally but so long as it is because he is winning (not because of a nasty personal vendetta) then I’ve got to say I don’t mind it too much as a general rule.

    9. cka_bob says:

      @ K -I’m proud to boo, i’m ashamed that people like you are still wittering on about Alonso and Ferrari fans, neither of whom i am a fan of. I’m not saying they aren’t booing, but so am i now!

    10. I know says:

      I’m afraid those booing are most definitely F1 fans, as are those who voted “No” in the poll here.

      Some sports are just unfortunate to attract a large contingent of unsporting fans – football is a prime example, but unfortunately, F1 is another. I’d rather watch an F1 race than a rugby match, but give me rugby fans over F1 fans any time. That’s just the way it is. And if they cannot show some dignity, it looks like F1 will have to “hide” its fans once again by scrapping the interviews.

  4. Cremto says:

    i believe most fans hate the finger (reversed F..you when he wins) and bad sportsmanship (in Malaysia). The more Horner blames Ferrari and other reasons the more its going to happen. I believe Vettel was going to be ok after Malaysia as he looked remorseful but then he changed his story days later and said he wasn’t sorry. Vettel showed his real character and fans don’t like him (full stop).

    1. Equin0x says:

      WHY WAS THE AUSTRALIAN CROWD BOOING BEFORE THE MALAYSIA INCIDENT??????? Please explain.

      1. James Allen says:

        I wonder….?

        Possibly because of his team mates’s nationality?

      2. Random 79 says:

        Probably right, but that still doesn’t justify it.

        I’m an Aussie and I can’t stand Vettel, but I still wouldn’t have been booing him and I’d be ashamed to be in a crowd that was.

      3. Glennb says:

        -1 James
        Australiais a multicultural society James. I dare say we have more nationalities than any other country settling here. We do not boo someone because they are German, Asian, British etc. Well, OK, maybe atthe cricket but that’s just good fun ;)
        If it were about racism, I can think of one or two other nations that might hold a bigger grudge with a German…

      4. Greg ((Aus) says:

        Perhaps we remember Turkey 2010.

      5. Cremto says:

        Equin0x, I believe that the booing in Australia at that time was against the perceived favouritism towards Vettel and the Aussie crowd booed Redbull as a team (or Christian) – although Seb hadn’t really endeared himself to Aussies up to that point I don’t think there was as clean cut decision made on Vettel at that time – however, as James suggests here, Malaysia was the final straw but instead of just Australians being appalled, it moved most of formula 1 fans to have now made a judgement call on Vettel -

      6. Anil Parmar says:

        Webber is Australian……..

      7. k says:

        The Australian crowd was already getting stuck into Vettel because of 2010 and what he had done to Mark then – Turkey, Silverstone, Hungary, and more than a few people wondered about Mark’s conveniently mysterious lack of car pace in the Abu Dhabi race that year.

        The Australian crowd was also getting stuck into Vettel because of the lack of respect he has CONSTANTLY shown his teammate since that maiden victory of Mark’s in 2009.

        We should have seen it coming, you know. Even then, Vettel was sulking whenever Mark beat him…

    2. BoogWar says:

      What Cremto said does ring true.

      1. luqa says:

        Go to any sporting event in North America and you will see the big foamy #1 fingers being waved around everywhere..
        Are the (Brits?) who seem to do most of the complaining on this issue too thin skinned to deny a personal achievement- such as a pole position or a victory with a little personal celebration and emotion of being #1? At least he’s not waving an extended middle index finger ;-)
        On the other hand people also complain most drivers have no personality and show no emotion these days. Can’t have it both ways…

    3. Basil says:

      Well said! As I’ve already written, I am amazed how his fans cannot understand the general dislike towards Vettel after all the occurrences and all his antics (cucumber, Mark does not deserve to win, finger, screaming..).

    4. JCA says:

      I do love how Hungary 2007 has passed from the memory of most fans. Lewis broke a team agreement in quali, Fernando tried to blackmail Ron Dennis, after retaliating in the pitbox. How do these things reflect on the character of the two?

      These things pass from the collective consciousness, people will stop caring when someone else makes the mistake of winning too much, while not being a saint.

      As Gary Anderson said, truly nice guys don’t win championships.

    5. TheLollipopMan says:

      I don’t hate the finger at all. Why shouldn’t Vettel use the finger? It’s his trademark. He’s entitled to celebrate his win with body-language, if so inclined (and it’s not offensive). Button uses the finger too, along with his girlfriend, and no-one complains. They and Vettel are simply celebrating a win by saying they’re number-one on the day. Drivers should not be vilified for such trivialities.

      1. Cremto says:

        TheLollipopMan – its not that sticking your finger up as winner is offensive. Traditionally drivers would stick a finger up while their other fingers are towards the crowd. Vettel has turned his hand around sticking his finger up showing his fist to the crowd the same way someone uses their middle finger. To me its an arrogant and aggressive way to show he won the race. It not the main reason for the dislike of Vettel but all these subtleties cant help can they? He probably thinks its “cool”

      2. TheLollipopMan says:

        Rubbish. That’s just nitpicking to try and justify one’s dislike of him. It’s petty resentment that he’s creaming their favourites. All this killjoy politically-correct BS is sapping the life out of Formula 1. Valentino Rossi once celebrated a win with a blow-up doll, and everyone thought it was hysterical, so what harm could Vettel’s index finger possibly cause? Let the drivers celebrate, sheesh.

    6. MISTER says:

      ” The more Horner blames Ferrari and other reasons the more its going to happen.”

      Exactly! RedBull don’t seem to learn, do they?
      they can’t seem to realize everything started in their team and how Horner especially handled the situations. I’m amazed they didn’t figure it out that this is going to stop once they take responsibility for the decissions they took in the past.

  5. They’re putting it down to Malaysia earlier this year, but I don’t see how people can hate Vettel for that. Both Webber and Seb were given the instruction “Multi 21,” which means car two must finish ahead of car one.

    Thats the race outcome decided right there, yet people don’t like Seb for disobeying that team order, and giving us some racing – the thing they watch and came to see in the first place!

    I don’t like the booing, I think its childish and its ultimately as a result of pricing some races too high, for the naive, richer followers of the sport who have the money to buy ticket, but not the faintest idea about the sports politics.

    1. Basil says:

      It’s not hate, it’s dislike of his unsporting and condescending behaviour towards other drivers (cucumber) and particularly his team-mate. Plus, his two-faced behaviour after Malaysia which exposed him and his team as hypocrites.

      1. JCA says:

        Was Lewis calling other drivers the ‘monkeys at the back’ respectful? Was Fernando shaking his fist at Petrov for not getting out of his way while racing for position respectful? Then there was Hungary 2007 as an example of being nice to your teammate.

    2. BigHaydo says:

      I think it was because a guy that has relied on team orders in the past (not just from Webber, but from Toro Rosso too) just couldn’t hack having them go against him. This is unsporting.

      I remember Austria 2002 clearly: Barrichello had been faster than Schumacher all weekend, which was a refreshing change to the domination Schumacher had shown to that early point in the season. The championship was not under threat, it was sealed a couple of rounds later in France. It was uncalled for.

      1. JCA says:

        Vettel obeyed team orders in 2009 to stay behind Mark. Pray tell when he had team orders at STR.

      2. BigHaydo says:

        I’m not referring to team orders within STR. I’m referring to Buemi/Algersuari/Ricciardo/Vergne being expected to leap out of the way when Vettel is within 3sec of them. This was instrumental in Vettel winning the title in Brazil last year, along with a couple of other gifted places from compatriots…

      3. Wade Parmino says:

        Schumacher gave the win back to Barrichello at Indianapolis. This action said a lot more than merely apologizing with words or pleading ignorance like Vettel.

      4. Kirk says:

        I think that was a mistake by Shumacher, he wanted both cars to finish almost in line and Rubens got the victory because he didn’t brake, I remember Shumy’s face of feeling like and idiot. By the way I am a Shumacher fan.

      5. Bruno Menilli says:

        Schumacher offered the top spot on the podium to Barrichello and said he should have won it – but the team had ordered differently – so he followed team orders and won.

        Vettel has become a precocious little boy – just like Hamilton was at Maclaren.

    3. Persi says:

      It’s a driver’s instinct to race and to win but what seems to constantly get overlooked is that Vettel effectively back-flipped on an agreement. It seems before the race the strategy was that if they are running 1,2 after the last pit stop they will not race each other. As Button said, if you are not happy with the strategy, say so at the time, don’t agree then do the opposite in the race. Also keep in mind Webber thought they were no longer racing. As Alan Jones said what Vettel did was the equivalent of throwing a punch after his opponent had turned around to walk back to his corner.

      I think reading Jackie Stewart’s autobiography, will do Vettel some good. How you win matters.

    4. Nick says:

      It wasn’t racing though, you cant isolate the incident; You need to look at the wider context which was that Mark was told to look after the tyres and bring the car home….granted it wasn’t near the end, but the engineers were worried about the deg and the tyres not making it to the end I assume.

      So pretty sure it came out that Mark had the engine turned down and was driving at around 60-70% to protect the tyres, so he wasn’t in a racing mode and it was the reason he was going slow….which brought about Seb’s consternation of “Mark’s going to slow” which caused him to want to go past. And even after being told Team Orders and to stay behind Mark, he disobeyed the team completely.

      Mark wasn’t in a position to race Seb because he was in cruise mode and was no doubt assured by the team that he wouldn’t be passed.

      Mark’s no saint, and has done a few things in the past to rile Seb and the team; but when you’re in a team, you have to play by the team rules.

      Seb is a topline driver with the killer instinct that champions have, but even so…sometimes you have to do what the team wants, even if its not what you want to do.

    5. Alexis says:

      It wasn’t a fair fight though. Webber was on the back foot because he wasn’t expecting Vettel to attack him. So not only did he disobey his team and screw his team mate, he made him look weak by overtaking him when he wasn’t expecting it. Yes he then started fighting, but it’s like throwing a punch after the bell has been rung.

      1. I know says:

        Please watch a replay of the race. When Vettel finally overtook, Webber was well aware as he had been defending for a number of corners.

        It wasn’t a good move by Vettel in hindsight, as he didn’t need the points. However, I would fully expect a driver to disobey team orders if he thinks his championship depends on it. You don’t win multiple championships without being ruthless on the track – and many who are ruthless still don’t come close to winning a single one.

  6. Jorge says:

    I totally agreed, one of the best driving races, I have been seeing F1 for 40 years and never so dominant race like this SV is a class of his own, impressive, the best.

    1. Trent says:

      Really? Never in 40 years?
      It was impressive but I can think of at least another dozen examples in that period.

      1. Equin0x says:

        Dozen? Not a chance, Seb was in such a class of his own if he was allowed to go flat out all race and there was no safety car he might have even lapped the entire field, and again Webber didn’t have the pace to win in this car, it was a stunning performance with no dodgy weather or another competitive car being off the ball that was sheer pace often 2-3 sec faster than the next fastest guy, unbelievable, boo all they want it just gives the boy more fire in his belly, that was almost an invincible drive that car had no rights to be that dominant today it was all Vettel I’m afraid and now we’re in Vettel season if I was a Hamilton fan I wouldn’t bother waking up early in the morning to watch the early morning asian races, just more pain to come, who’s to say a 100 race wins is out of the question? Especially seen as we’re having more races in the season all the time.

      2. MANish says:

        REALLY So you think Vettel is 2-3 sec faster than the rest of the field.. that means he can win in a marussia also.. lol..

        that car had no rights to be that dominant today it was all Vettel – Again go tell this to Newey that it was all Vettel and no contribution from Newey.

        If Vettel is that much faster than everyone else then he does not even need to think twice which car he is driving.. he might as well put a Marrusia on Pole.. lol Fanboy to an extreme..

      3. Tim says:

        I am curious – do you seriously believe that SV is 2-3 seconds faster/lap than anyone else if they were given equal equipment?
        BTW, to be clear, I think SV is an astonishingly good driver.

      4. Gazza says:

        I think the boo boys may not be getting to Vettel, but it is getting to his fans.

        The comments in support of there hero are becoming ever more ludicrous.

        Best race in forty years???.

        2-3 secs faster than the next guy, all down to the driver.???

        You’re not doing him any favours with this kind of over the top hype.

      5. Siobhan says:

        I can, of the top of my head, give you one example where this was seen before. In fact yesterday reminded me of it. Hungray GP, Schumacher was asked to do 20 laps at qualifing pace to give him a gap enough to take a pit stop without losing position.. sound familiar? Vettel yesterday after the safety car reminded me so much of that.. Class driving for both these greats.

      6. Anil Parmar says:

        He was that much faster because he was running on the super soft tyres and the car allowed him to push 100%.

        And there have been more than a dozen performances like that in the last 40 years. Pretending there isn’t is an insult to the great drivers.

      7. clyde says:

        @ Equinox If you think Vettel is suddenly 3 secs faster than the rest then he must be on PEDs or you,ve had too much red bull :-)

      8. Richard says:

        Certainly the best car!

      9. Mark says:

        Lewis Hamilton, Silverstone 2008.

        He was a minute ahead of the next guy in the pouring rain and lapped everybody up to fourth place. That was class.

    2. Laughing Viking says:

      You obviously didn’t watch the schumacer years at ferrari then!

  7. Miha Bevc says:

    James,

    I respect your reasons for removing driver of the day polls. But now we are voting on weather booing is right or wrong.
    C’mon…
    This shouldn’t even be a question, especially for the British, the nation of gentlemen and sportsmanship…

    Just a remark. I love this website anyway.

    1. Martin says:

      Unfortunately the poll results indicate otherwise. I can see why James has a few other contributors (Meadows and the Editor) to the site. It might be nostalgia, but I feel the average standard of comments have gone done over the four years I’ve looked at this site.

    2. Equin0x says:

      Thats exactly what I was thinking. Just adding fuel for the petty boo boys.

    3. Gazza says:

      The driver of the day poll is obviously influenced by fans bias to one driver or another.

      Booing is a universal way for fans to show there displeasure not split down partisan lines.

      Perfectly legitimate reason for a poll.

      1. Oletros says:

        > Booing is a universal way for fans to show there displeasure not split down partisan lines.

        Because booing is not influenced by fan bias to one driver o another /s

      2. Tim says:

        You don’t think fans are booing for partisan reasons?

  8. Andy I says:

    Schumacher rightly got a lot of boos after his parking demonstration at Rascasse because it wasn’t very sporting. I attended the race at Silverstone that year and the crowd gave him an earful nearly every lap (and there were plenty of hilarious banners). I always respected his incredible talent, but incidents like that confirmed that the clashes with Hill and Villeneuve weren’t out of character.

    Schumacher’s return undid a bit of that damage, as he put it he learned how to lose.

    The incident between Vettel and Webber in Turkey, the way he looked like he was going to start a fight with Paul Hemberly in Spa when they told Red Bull they were running too much camber, and finally the multi-21 business have had the same effect. So it’s a bit rich for Horner to accuse the fans of being un-sporting, when I’d say it’s that exact un-sporting behavior they were registering their displeasure at.

    1. Odjebi says:

      Well said. I agree 100%……the boos are for how red bull go about their business, not that vettel keeps winning. Seb is just the guy in the shop window that gets told off but it’s Horner and his double standard comments and actions that have caused the booing to continue.

      1. Tealeaf says:

        Really? So how comes Webber is not the target? He ignores team orders and states it publicly…

      2. Lockster says:

        He was wronged on several occasions by Vettel/Redbull management, so people don’t seem to mind if a victim fights back occasionally…

      3. bearforce says:

        +1, Dear Lord do people switch their brains off to ignore this fact.

        Mark Webber has always said he would ignore team orders and has always ignored team orders. Mark was naughty and a hypocrite when he was upset with Vettel for ignoring team orders at Malaysia. What did Mark expect Vetel to do obey team orders and let Mark get away with not obeying team orders.

        Aussie grit is a joke.

      4. JCA says:

        People don’t boo the loveable loser.

      5. Juzh says:

        Webber is the victim here, how dare you claim otherwise!?!
        /sarcasm

      6. MISTER says:

        Because all the double standards and comments from Horner and Marko are in favour of Vettel. Vettel is the guy who blamed and called Mark crazy in turkey 2010, he was the one benefiting from a new wing (after his own broke) having just 7 points lead in the championship, Vettel was the one giving preferential treatment in 2011 when RBR asked Mark to hold position (even thought Vettel was MILES ahead in the championship, miles), Vettel was the one disobeying team orders and agreements in Malaysia, and then changing his story several times in the days to come..

    2. Wade Parmino says:

      Although I agree with your general sentiments, the comparison of Vettel and Schumacher is not that well founded. The Hill incident was a racing incident. The Villenueve incident was obviously blatantly wrong although the penalty was too harsh. Both these were not against his own team mate. In 2002 at Austria Schumacher did not fight Barrichello for the win; both drivers followed the team’s instructions. Schumacher was embarrassed by the way he won that race and prompted Barrichello to the top step of the podium. He also handed the win back at Indianapolis to make amends. Schumacher also did not loud mouth his victories and wave his finger around.

      If at some point this season Vettel is leading Webber 1-2 and he allows Webber to have the win, then my respect (and I suspect the respect of many others) will begin to be restored towards Vettel as a sportsman. If he has this opportunity and does not capitalize on it then this will worsen how he is viewed.

      1. k says:

        No, it will simply be another show of disrespect towards his teammate…the sanctimonious “gift”… “Here you go Mark, I’ll give this one too you”…

      2. Wade Parmino says:

        No, it would say “sorry for attacking you when your guard was down and stealing the win in Malaysia, here is the win you rightly deserve Mark”. I personally don’t think it will happen, even if such an opportunity arises. I would be astonished if it did.

  9. Andy says:

    James,

    You glossed over Vettel’s rather arrogant and less contrite response to his Malaysia actions at the following race. Whoever advised him to speak in this way clearly did not understand the situation and how racing fans would feel. I’m sure he’s an ok guy but he did himself no favours by basically saying he would do it all again. He is amazingly quick no doubts there but his actions have not made him especially likeable or sporting.

    1. edwood says:

      Oh come on, no-one really wanted to see Webber win ‘procession style’ in Malaysia. Seb made a race of it and most, if not all of the ticket paying public were nothing but entirely grateful!

      As for the booing taking place at today’s races, who cares. I’d boo like crazy if Hamilton ever won again. It’s just a part of modern day sporting life!

      F1 is like the X Factor. Time everyone got used to it.

      1. Random 79 says:

        ‘F1 is like the X Factor’

        No it’s not and should never be, but maybe you’re just one of those people who get off on it.

      2. Lockster says:

        I think most fans (and Webber himself) would have been ok if he had been beaten in a fair fight, but to be told to back off and that you won’t be attacked, only to be jumped by your teammate, that’s what angered most people.

      3. aezy_doc says:

        Please let it not be true. My beloved f1 reduced to comparisons with the X factor!

  10. Matt H says:

    **Sigh** well that’s freed up a few Sundays for me to busy myself doing nothing see you all next year march time

  11. Paige says:

    Look, the guy is one of the best drivers of his generation- maybe even the best. If he keeps going at this rate, it’s going to be increasingly hard to argue against him being the best.

    Is he an angel? No. But please: name one driver at the elite level of the sport past or present who is. Ayrton Senna, beloved and observed by most as the greatest ever who genuinely was a humanitarian, would nonetheless crash Alain Prost and put both their lives at risk going at a remarkable rate of speed for the simple purposes of a) settling a score, and b) winning a championship. Seriously, that move by him very well could have ended with both drivers dying. That act was more detestable than anything Vettel has ever done on the track, and yet Senna would never have been booed. (Except maybe by the toad-sucking French fans.)

    You can admire Webber and Button and the like for being nice guys. But their not the top drivers. Being one of the top drivers comes with a sort of non-Angelic requirement. That’s how it goes. So if you are going to condemn Vettel for not being an angel, then you need to do it to Hamilton, Alonso, and Kimi as well, because they are all jerks in their own way. And if you are going to boo Vettel for winning, then you should really stop watching F1. The whole point of F1 is winning. And the winners are to be honored and respected for doing so.

    1. unF1nnished business says:

      Totally agree. People are making mountains out of mohills over Malaysia/Turkey. Unfortunately these people who are in denial of Vettel’s achievements will use anything and everything to discredit and vilify him.

    2. DEANO says:

      I think its time for the other drivers to speak out about the booing. It’s happened when they play the German Narional Anthum. If the other drivers speak up their fans might be shamed into being respectful. No doubt that almost every fan has their favorite, so I say, the lead drivers like, Alonso, Hamilton, Button, Raikkonen, Rosberg, Webber and others need to come forward and do what is right, ask their fans to respect all drivers. I agree with others that it’s sad we even have to take a poll on is it right or wrong, but I’m pleased to see the results are that its wrong.

      1. Random 79 says:

        Agreed.

        I seem to remember when Hamilton was copping some stick Alonso spoke up and told his fans to quit it.

        It showed a lot of respect on Alonso’s part, much more than the fans.

        Frankly James should have jury-rigged the vote so that anyone who voted that booing is right should have had a big BOOOOOOO come through their speakers so they could see how it feels :)

      2. TheLollipopMan says:

        Yes, I agree, the other drivers really need to weigh in on this, because I fear this ugly side of European sport (jingoistic booing) is starting to infect Formula 1, even spreading to races is Asia, where by culture booing is frowned upon.

        The drivers need to step in, like Alonso spoke up to kerb racist taunts against Hamilton back in 2008. And Bernie should step in too because Asian governments won’t tolerate disorder at sporting events.

        The media also plays a role. Sure, the press have a duty to be impartial, but it also has the right to express opinion. However, I’m seeing little condemnation so far from F1 hacks/pundits.

        This booing is puerile jingoistic ridiculousness, and there’s no place for it in F1. The sport must unite now to nip it in the bud, or risk going down the road football has.

    3. luqa says:

      Well said Paige!

    4. hoffy says:

      Couldn’t have said it better myself. Nice guys don’t come first.

    5. clyde says:

      Senna had a valid reason for his actions unlike vettel who is not fit to polish Sennas shoes. Hes just a spoiled kid driving the best kart in the park.

      1. Kirk says:

        What was that reason? to win no matter what? I was just a child by that time, but those cars (Senna’s and Prost) weren’t the best of the park?

    6. Wade Parmino says:

      Alain Prost is the epitome of driving talent, technical skill, strategic thinking, sportsmanship (and don’t claim Suzuka 1989 as this was a justified and strong defense of his position) and goodness as a man off track. This four time champion is not one of the arrogant (Vettel), obnoxious (Raikonnen), mean spirited (Piquet) or sleazy (Hunt) drivers that have been around.

      An elite driver does not have to be a [sic].

      1. JCA says:

        Nigel Mansell would disagree.

    7. JC says:

      I agree with Page 100%, not with Wade as Prost’ defense was beyond what’s right takin’ Senna out of track.

  12. Nick Hipkin says:

    I posted this in the last thread but maybe it’s more appropriate here James,

    Today’s race wasn’t a great advert for the sport but unfortunately this season is just a hard sell and that is becoming borne out in the booeing of Vettel. I see a lot of similarities between the current era of F1 and WRC in the late 90′s:

    Alonso = Carlos Sainz – struggling to add to titles in final straight of career

    Hamilton = Colin McRae – Flat out charger but may never add to the one title early in his career

    Button = Richard Burns – smooth approach pays dividends when everything is right

    Vettel = Tommi Makinen – consistency the strongest package if unspectacular but nets 4 world titles in a row

    The thing is I think it’s Colin McRae who is most fondly remembered from those days despite just one title

    Will F1 fans look back on this era in the same way in years to come? There lies Vettels image problem, of course he can’t be blamed for his own success though!

    P.s maybe Vettel will benefit from a season in a bad car like Schumacher did in 1996 when he pulled rabbits out of the hat, he may get that chance next year….

    1. Jim:) says:

      Alain Prost was asked, ” are you disappointed with just 4 titles” seeing as he could of won lots more, Prost said ” at the time yes but looking back, no because the story was better” I get the feeling even though it’s wrong, and I doubt Vettel will be bothered. That will all look back, Vettel won mostly from pole, in a newey car. but still got many years left to prove me wrong.

      1. JCA says:

        Few seem to remember that Jim Clark won mostly from pole/front row, in a Chapman car.

    2. Tealeaf says:

      What sort of claims are they? Richard Burns risked more than anyone and Mcrae was a serial crasher, if you want to compare Vettel to a Rally legend look no further than Sebastien Loeb, utter dominance and by the end of his reign no one can argue he was the real deal probably the best of his generation even Marcus Gronholm who was considered thw fastest and best has become a dim memory.

    3. Rishi says:

      Haha this is an awesome comparison! I’m hoping for an extended version after the next race. I think Kimi would fit the role of Juha Kankkunen quite well (world champion with a tendency to be quite gruff and not suffer fools gladly). But who would be Didier Auriol? Or Marcus Gronholm – who seemed to come from nowhere when he won in 2000?

      1. A Ward says:

        More importantly, who is Loeb? Ricciardo?

      2. Rishi says:

        I think he came into rally quite late compared to the other guys so yes Ricciardo is an option! Or it could be someone destined for F1 who hasn’t made it yet…maybe Antonio Felix da Costa (from what I’ve heard) or Robin Frijns?

  13. **Paul** says:

    The whole multi 21 thing is just an excuse. Did Webber get a bad reaction when he ignored team orders and tried and failed to overtake Vettel at Silverstone in 2011? No.

    So now that’s put that theory to bed, why is Vettel getting booed. For me it’s a mix of:

    1.) He doesn’t drive for a well supported team, Red Bull don’t have the history of McLaren or Ferrari.
    2.) He’s German, he’s a great driver and he’s dominating. People think MSC mk2 and keep harping on about F1 being boring, but continue to watch and whine.
    3.) He beats the more popular drivers in F1 time and time again.

    The whole Multi21 stuff is just a lazy excuse, Alonso and Hamilton have both done worse in their careers.

    Does it annoy me? Yes. Vettel is the one with a bit of bloody character (like Kimi) in F1, yet he’s booed for winning. Rossi never got that in MotoGP – an Aussie did when he couldn’t win.

    Draw you’re own conclusions from that one.

    1. Tealeaf says:

      You are right and with my mentality its almost like the complete opposite to these so called ‘fans’, in Moto GP Stoner is slated big time but I thought he was the real deal, even young Marquez has copied Stoner’s style with great effect, die hard Rossi fans just like Hamilton fans don’t care about the sport they will turn on the sport when it suits them and nothing will make them admit that their driver/rider are just overrated and when faced with talented competition they’re not the gods the fan boys think they are.

    2. Glennb says:

      Which Aussie didn’t win in MotoGP? Gardner, Doohan, Stoner. Nah, cant be them.
      Just curious.

    3. Kirk says:

      Completely agree with you I have seen worse things than these supposed unsporting behaviors, so why those people don’t blame for example when Alonso passed Massa entering the pits in 2010 in a very dangerous way? They said he was anger of victory, a genius…

  14. Paul L says:

    He just has to apologise for Malaysia (to Webber) without afterwards retracting it.

    1. Antti says:

      I quite don’t understand that reasoning. Mark has said before that he’s does and will ignore team orders, shown that those were not just words, and no one boos him, or requires him to apologise to Sebastian. The only thing different is that Seb was “successful” in his disobedience whereas Mark wasn’t.

      1. Tyemz says:

        Most people ignorantly or deliberately refer to Multi 21 as a team order. No, it wasn’t. It was a pre race agreement willingly entered into by both drivers (In my opinion, to avoid incidents like Turkey 2010). If you know you are not going to honour an agreement, why pretend you are then when your teammate’s let down his guard, sneak up behind him and overtake him? ” he makes his own decisions, he will have protection as usual”. I think the fans are trying to say: “Hey Mark, this one’s for you mate”

    2. JL says:

      come on, apologies for what? overtake on the track? did Senna ever apologised for crashing into Prost on purpose? and Alonso for blackmailing Mclaren? seriously

      1. KARTRACE says:

        Alonso blackmailing ? Are we now swapping facts here or what ? Alonso was merely playing by the in house rules. Agree one thing execute differently.

      2. Darren says:

        The problem in Vettels case is that he did apologise but later retracted it and said he would do it again. Senna more or less admitted he crashed into Prost on purpose and said that he would before the race, and people respected his honesty. Likewise with Alonso, he has never denied it. I’m not a fan of what he got up to that year but after the famous “we are basically racing Fernando” comment I cant say I blame him.

  15. Mike Martin says:

    Sometimes you forget how young these guys are. I truly do not care what Vettel has done in the past. I also do not want to point out image and PR problems. I see a person that has traveled thousands of miles to bring you some live entertainment. We should also never forget he is putting his life on the line for your pleasure. We should applaud events like F1 and send cheers and glory to all the F1 pilots no matter for what team they drive. I love every driver who gets me on the point of my seat. Montoya, Villeneuve, Shumie, Sato, Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Mansell, Prost, Senna. The above elite drivers have made me angry, cheer, cry, sweat, jump and laugh. Booing and racism should stop immediately before it gets out of hand.

    Do you guys remember that in the 80′s the best music ever was made? Well in 20 or 30 years we will say the best races ever were driven around the millennium. Booing these guys??? Get real…..

    1. Jordan says:

      Best music made in the 80s – hehehe. I agree with you.

      But maybe it’s because we are getting on.

      Every generation thinks the music in the following generation is just noise.

  16. AuraF1 says:

    Denying that a large group of fans dislike Vettel due to Malaysia isn’t helping him or the team. Putting it down as ‘well it happened a long time ago and it’s done now’ is a bit hypocritical as Vettel has said he did it because Mark did it to him. Shouldn’t he have forgiven and forgotten that too by now since ‘it happened in the past and is done now?’ No? Why do you get to remember and hold a grudge but everyone else isn’t?

    That said I do think the booing is a bit much now. Vettel didn’t do anything wrong at this race. I’d have just cheered Alonso or Raikkonnen a bit louder if you wanted to send a message. But it’s all become like one of the eviction shows on the old Big Brother, more about a public hate fest than a sporting competition.

    In fact the best interview was on Sky’s coverage when Ted was in the car as Sebs ‘PA’ for the day. I liked how Seb couldn’t be whisked away from the questions over the booing. He seemed to sort of accept that he’s not the nicest bloke on or off the track that he may have initially appeared.

    If the booing is more to do with boredom then we probably should be booing the engineering heads at every other team for continually failing to beat RBR.

  17. Joao says:

    In talking with my brother recently, I said that a good thing of sport is that the favorite is not sure to win at all.

    If we support the favorite and the favorite loses, we get pretty bummed about it.

    But not all kinds of sports are dragged out for months on end to achieve a result. When pitching two persons against each other the result can come in a day. Or in seconds. Sometimes that kind of quick result is unsatisfying.

    In F1 we have a grander kind of sport of pitching teams against one another for half of the year. Teams have two tries, two drivers to play with, and sometimes the pressure to win can make teams to try for a more deterministic result by playing with the rules.

    Above all we have the show-business of producing safe entertainment content that can be broadcast in open TVs for the entire family to see. Sometimes the entertainment side of it can spoil the sport side of it. After all, in sport while the favorite doesn’t have to win, there’s a great chance that the favorite will win in succession. And somehow entertainment needs a prolonged story till the end.

    From the President of Ferrari saying that the Red Bull wasn’t exactly a racing company as more of a drink company, to die-hard fans wanting to shake things up mid-season, sometimes the respect just isn’t there. And it builds up to these shameful moments.

    So you guys need to decide whether F1 is more sport or more entertainment. I know that coming from the media, entertainment is to be expected. How much does it need to be sport though?

    The existing rules that Ferrari seemed happy to prolong have produced these results of Red Bull coming ever slightly ahead of everyone else. Now it’s too late to cry crocodile tears.

  18. zombie says:

    When i was 26 years old i remember being pretty naive, emotionally charged and well, like most 20 something folks, not very well equipped to handle criticism or the general downside of life.

    I am not a Seb Vettel fan, but each time i read about him being booed on the podium, and his refusal to comment or even react, my respect for Vettel goes up several notches up ! It is incredible for such a young guy to deal with so much pressure, keep winning and yet being dragged down the street by the so called “F1 fans”. Go Seb, win a couple of more titles and show them who the boss is !

    1. Angelina says:

      +1000
      Although I am 27 and facing the problems u did when u were 26. I am not as cool as Seb Vettel even myself being a girl. Seb Vettel is a true champion, talented, composed and focused.

    2. Persi says:

      I’m glad you admire him but it’s important to keep things in perspective. He is a professional sportsman and very well paid. Like most athletes a lot of F1 drivers start their careers early so they are not your typical 20 something year old.

  19. Nick says:

    Its harsh, but I can understand the Boos, it is boring, it is frustrating and like the Schumacher era of numbing endless winning it does harm f1.
    You can argue all you like about it, and of course the others simply have to work harder but Vettel winning probably four titles in a row is hard to enjoy unless you are a fan of his.

    1. KARTRACE says:

      Winning is not the reason to be booed. He is just doing what he loves and what he is paid for. But booing has it’s reasons besides him being victorious.

  20. anon says:

    Lotus and Ferrari had been quicker than Red Bull in Melbourne and Ferrari had looked like it would be quicker in Sepang. It’s only in the last three races that Red Bull have looked unbeatable.

    Vettel took it into his own hands because the team weren’t giving him the support he deserved. He’s a triple world champion going for four straight. If Vettel were to go on and lose the championship by 5 points letting Webber stay ahead of him Sepang will seem like madness.

    Vettel should be number one driver at Red Bull and should be given every advantage like Alonso has been for nearly four seasons and like how Hamilton was shamelessly allowed to keep 3rd place in the same race that Vettel ignored a team order and fought for the win.

    Also, what people forget with Barrichello moving over is Schumacher did the same thing to help Irvine win the championship in 1999 at Sepang. Schumacher was so much quicker than Irvine he had to move over TWICE to give him the win.

    1. James Allen says:

      The Irvine race was at the end of a season withe the title at stake

      The Austrian event was early in the season, big difference

      1. bayan says:

        Curious why merc didn’t appear to employ team orders today given there was a higher chance of an accident on this track

      2. justafan says:

        Yes, but that was Todt’s fault. He ordered Rubens to move over for Michael. Now fans are trying to make Schumacher look bad by continuously hinting at Austria 2002 when he was merely following Todt’s order. Actually the whole Austria 2002 affair affected Michael so badly that he even gave the USA 2002 win to Rubens because he felt Rubens deserved to get the win back. Of course his explanation of the dead heat was a cover up since team orders were forbidden by then.

      3. Arnie S says:

        But doesn’t points count the same, regardless if it is early or late in the season?

        Meaning, either your the No1 or No2 driver.

      4. Zombie says:

        Schumacher repaid Rubens with interest in Monza and US GP that year. And helped Rubens secure the runners up title.

      5. anon says:

        I know there’s a difference, but if the ultimate goal is to win the championship then does it matter where you take the points. And if it’s okay to put your resources towards one driver — like Irvine in 1999 — because he’s the only driver left in contention for championship, then does that justify what Ferrari did at Austria 2002. When they got to Austria 2002, Schumacher was 44 points in the championship and Barrichello was 6. The championship was effectively over for Barrichello already. That’s nearly 100 points advantage under today’s points system.

        No-one booed Alonso for Germany 2010. No-one booed Hakkinen for Australia 98. I’m not justifying anything, I prefer no team orders at all.

  21. Ealdfrith says:

    Vettel is not being booed for winning race after race, he is being booed because he is the most visible face of the farce that F1 has become.

    Up until Barcelona RB was performing poorly because of the new tires, and so was Mercedes. Then this happens:

    http://i41.tinypic.com/1zvg3u9.jpg

    And it goes back to business as usual: RB dominating every single race and Merc winning pole after pole position.

    Never before had anyone managed to get 2.5 seconds PER LAP over his rivals. And I’m kinda sure that he wasn’t even exploiting the full car potential.

    Add the fact that every single reliability issue happens to WEB and you will have booes and jeering, and they will be quite well deserved.

    1. James Allen says:

      On your second point, the 2.5s wasn’t representative, it was because Rosberg was running slowly, partly due to rubber chunks in the front wing

      1. JL says:

        James, do you think Alonso would have won if Rosberg had not held up the other cars after the SC ?

      2. James Allen says:

        No. He didn’t have anything like the pace to win

      3. aezy_doc says:

        He would have been closer to the front without being held up by Rosberg and DiResta at different points, but Vettel still had plenty in the tank.

      4. Juzh says:

        But looking at the super slow-mo in high def there is ZERO marbles in his wing to talk about. You can even see trough all the holes in it. Vettel was 2s a lap faster at the start when marbles weren’t an issue and I seriously doubt rosberg was saving his tires from turn 3 onwards.

    2. Tealeaf says:

      What are you talking about? Did you not see Seb’s gearbox failure and the pathetic cheers from the silverstone crowd? How many times now has Seb’s car broken down whilst leading? Do you think Webber cared about the team when Seb’s engine failed at Korea 2010 whilst leading? He was probably the 2nd happiest man apart from Alonso that race, also by the time of Barcelona this year Seb already won 2 races and was leading the championship get your facts straight.

    3. bones says:

      “Never before had anyone managed to get 2.5 seconds PER LAP over his rivals. And I’m kinda sure that he wasn’t even exploiting the full car potential”

      u mean this year right?
      Otherwise u are wrong. I can remember Mclarens being 3(YES,three) seconds faster than the rest at Imola 88

    4. quest says:

      Tell me, how is it’s Vettel’s fault. Is it the responsibility of Vettel/Reb Bull to underperform to make F1 competitive or is it the responsibility of the other teams/driver to up their game

    5. Die Scuderia says:

      I think you are onto something here. The fans booing of Vettel is not a good thing. It is bad. Like you said, F1 has a lot to do with these things. If you go back a few seasons ago, you will discover that RedBull did bend the sporting regulations a lot. The FIA did not react in time and allowed such controversies to go on for the full season before doing something about it. Moving on to 2013 season…the tire failures. We can argue all day about tire safety and stuff, bottom line is some teams suffered badly from this. The behavior of the fans could be a resultant of all these things. But still, it’s not a good conduct.

      DS

      1. Fada says:

        If only fans were allowed to vote in the FIA presidency elections.

  22. Mitch Woolnough says:

    Every sport needs a villain. The current one in F1 is called Stiff finger! He’s the man, the man with the Newey touch.

  23. Lawrence says:

    It is profoundly disgusting to boo Vettel on the podium. There may have been instances in the past when it was understandable (never justified) but to consistently do it is as described. I do not know who can do the following but if it happens again there should be nobody allowed near the podium or only the podium-finishing staff for at least one race. Embarrassing for an F1 fan. On a related point M Webber has embarrassed himself with undignified sniping over the last few years. Constantly referring to SV as a boy and SV allegedly getting preferential treatment. MW should maybe have played a smarter game in getting people on side oh and simply driving faster than SV. Sour grapes anyone.

    1. Persi says:

      I think it’s quite obvious Vettel gets preferential treatment. RB is his team.

      1. Lawrence says:

        He may get preferential treatment but I don’t believe he gets or got it to a degree that enables/d him to consistently beat MW. I think he has beaten him fairly in the round. I don’t understand F1 fans that can’t see that.

    2. Andrew says:

      Why on earth is it disgusting? There is extensive booing and much worse in other sports. Football, Rugby, Boxing?

      If Vettel were a footballer or Rugby player he would have been thumped by somebody for his various treachery, arrogance, and insulting other drivers in slower cars.

      People have a right to express their opinion, particularly if they have paid hundreds of pounds for their tickets. It’s never happened extensively before in F1 so Horner and Vettel need to look at themselves and realise why they are so unpopular.

      1. Lawrence says:

        He has done nothing to justify it. Certainly not at the last few races. Any wrong-doing of his does not justify the booing. Generally it is not acceptable in other sports too. I am not saying booing shouldn’t happen but it depends on the context. Advocating violence is not good either. I don’t think in either football or rugby it would be acceptable to “thump” someone because they were treacherous, arrogant or insulting.

      2. Andrew says:

        Why are they booing him then? Schumacher did lots of dubious things and dominated for long periods but was never booed like that. Senna was never booed. Why Vettel? People boo for a reason.

        “Booing is not acceptable in other sports”.

        Well I’m sorry to have upset your delicate sensibility but booing is commonplace in all sport. You obviously don’t watch any sport involving a ball.

        I didn’t advocate violence but said that if somebody acted in the manner that Vettel has over the few years, (Turkey, finger waving, insulting drivers in slower cars, generally acting like a spoilt brat and of course Malaysia) then somebody would have “taught him a lesson” and he might have then controlled the unpleasant side of his personality better and maybe he wouldn’t be getting booed.

      3. JCA says:

        I don’t understand why Vettel is so much worse than Hamilton (also broke a team agreement, called other drivers ‘monkeys at the back’, lied to the stewards to get someone else a penalty and tweeted team data) and Alonso (blocked his teammate in the pit box in retaliation, followed by other shenanigans afterwards and waved his fist at Petrov, who dared to race him for position).

  24. Rob Newman says:

    The booings started either last year or the previous year in Australia. Webber is partly responsible for this because he is fanning the fire. I wouldn’t say it is Ferrari fans but a contingent of Alonso fans who is continuing to boo. Also I don’t think they should continue with the podium interviews. This reckless booing is not good for the sport. The podium interview is creating a platform for unruly fans to misbehave even more.

    1. rafa says:

      “Not Ferrari fans but Alonso fans”. I was kind of wondering, when was Alonso going to take the blame for this one? Stop the thread!!! We’ve found a culprit!!

  25. Richardd says:

    I believe it’s what some fans think of him, hence the boos. As a multiple world champion and still getting booed means he and his team really have to work to get rid of any negative perception of him in the eyes of fans regardless of what Horner says

  26. Kainfri says:

    James,

    nice column as usual on your website that I consult several times a day.
    One thing in the “Multi 21″ that is often underlooked it’s not what happened on track. Everybody can understand that Vettel, like his mentor Schumacher, makes no prisoner on track and seizes every available opportunity.

    I think that the most damaging point of that was 2 weeks later, when Vettel revealed a (largely unknown by then) arrogant face, explaining that Webber didn’t deserve the win, etc… He had a lot of time to think, yet he choose to show a very arrogant face, and his team hardly did anything.
    Plus for those who know, he didn’t dare going to Webber’s farewell party in Monza, prefering to text with his IPhone.

    It made a huge contrast with the “Mister Nice smiling guy”

    1. James Allen says:

      He wasn’t texting during Mark’s farewell do, he was downstairs (party was in first floor of the motor home) meeting with a photographer, studying images. I know because we were doing a 5 live show on the table next to him!!

      1. Tealeaf says:

        James why on earth would Seb go and celebrate with Mark after Mark’s been doing everything he can to turn the media, fans, public, basically everyone against Seb?!? In every interview Webber’s had recently its all about how to damage Seb’s legacy, how to turn act like Webber’s the victim, more than childish, its not Seb’s fault that Webber hasn’t been good enough.

      2. KARTRACE says:

        Shame, when I read what you say I realize what inverted truth means. Seb did what he did and this is what he is hearing as the echo. Simple as that.

      3. KARTRACE says:

        James, texting or studying images makes no difference. He was absent from a farewell party and that’s what matters and will be remembered like that. If he wishes to be let alone then he will find himself alone and booed, that’s life. And life on it’s own is a wonder.

      4. JCA says:

        He didn’t want to be there, Mark didn’t want him there, his presence would only have been a distraction. I fail to see the problem. People accuse him of being fake, but now when his action is honest, they complain he didn’t fain respect for Mark, by going to a party where he neither wanted nor needed to be.

      5. Zombie says:

        Really ? What did Kimi say during Schumacher’s farewell at Brazil 2006 ? Does that make Kimi worthy of being booed at every race ? Jeez ! They are grown men with multi-million dollar paychecks and not some school kids ! What difference does it make if Vettel was looking at some photographs or was wearing a cheerleaders skirt with pom-poms for Webber ? !

    2. JCA says:

      I don’t think he didn’t dare go to the farewell party, rather that he genuinely didn’t care to go and pretend to be sorry that Mark is leaving. I would be shocked if Senna went to Prosts farewell party at Mclaren, and I wouldn’t expect it of him, if he did.

  27. Guillermo says:

    I actually don’t think the booing is directly aimed at Vettel. I think, for the most part, it is driven by frustration from fans that top drivers like Alonso, Hamilton, etc, are pushing to the limit of every lap of every race and getting nowhere and Vettel just cruises to victory.

    An interesting point that James touched on is Mark Webber’s relationship with Vettel. Outside of the car, Mark may be the most popular driver out there because if his honesty and integrity. He acts as a barometer for people outside of the paddock. So when he turns against Vettel and seems so side with rivals like Alonso, fans may feel that Sebastian is a fair target…

    1. Jim:) says:

      Yes but this is the other teams fault, but today proved that the red bull is so fast? A 20 seconds gap from 2nd after the restart in 10 laps, quite frankly if they had the tyres and the will, they could almost lap the whole field, reminds me of the start of 1992

  28. Trent says:

    “This image problem is of the team’s own creation”.

    That’s it in a nutshell.
    Christian Horner may think the booing is unsporting (and I wouldn’t disagree), but he needs to retrace the steps that led to this situation and reflect on that.

    Marko defending the indefensible in Turkey (in fact even laughably blaming Webber), his public undermining of Webber’s ability, and the team’s lack of any discipline in the wake of Multi-21, have all contributed to the perception that Red Bull want Vettel to win.

    Redbull might like to dismiss the booing folk as unsporting and unrefined, but in fact they are a weather vane of feeling from fans around the world. And that feeling hasn’t come from nowhere.

    1. Equin0x says:

      Unthinkable to defend Seb for Turkey? I don’t think its unthinkable, how was Webber think he was going to take the apex on the corner after the straight? Funny angle if you ask me, the squeeze was deliberate and Seb had to move or yield, Webber is a joke.

    2. Persi says:

      Very well put.
      It’s a pity, I actually used to cheer for Vettel but his + RB’s behavior over the years has completely put me off.

    3. Bryce says:

      The seeds were sown a couple of years ago in Turkey, with the fruit ripened a couple of weeks after Sepang this year. The finger is the icing on the cake for some.

      Whilst I would not boo or jeer him, he certainly would not get any applause from me, regardless of his undoubted driving ability.

    4. superdad says:

      Perhaps Horner should realize that the boos are directed at the whole team not just vettel. The continued favoritism within the team leaves a bad taste. Horner may deny the conspiracy theories but compare webbers cars with vettels cars. Not denying that vettel is a great driver, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, pretty good chance its a red bull.

      1. Brukay says:

        Superdad tell me why Alonso took a grid change for his advantage in Brazil last year when ferrari deliberately changed Massa gear box so as to improve Alonso grid position never mind Massa having to bow to Alonso wish the last four years but i never hear anyone condemn Alonso because of his actions in relation to his team mate. If Vettel wins multiple world champs why have they not made him number one in the team Sorry aussie fans Webber has not been able to match him Fact

  29. slim says:

    After people pay their money they can like/shout/cheer/boo, when/who/what they want..no? Like all other sports. The more fia/media say stop booing the more it will happen.

    1. GWD says:

      +1 as a sleeper comment. I think it’s understated that the push for more regularised fans ( ie, us monkeys at the back ;) ) money, the less informed and in-control our attending populace will be. Aiming for football-like patronage volume to bring in the money means getting football-like audiences. You’re going to get heroes and villains. You’re going to get less-reserved audience responses. Knowing this, and knowing this angle as the teams ultimately do, means that RB have made an error of judgement on this side of things as well by the CH comments. There appear to be a lot of non-corollarative interests in the RB squad (and then not forget that they far more equipment failures than you should expect from a top placed well funded team) but little to do with following the somewhat forgotten edict from their team owner and his coporate ideology. And still they win convincingly. But that is with a known set of paramaters that although change slightly over time, don’t shift so vigourously on a specific critical component in the next season. Some of these mistakes, seemingly reminiscient repeats of other teams in times gone by, may have a far more detrimental effect than what we’ve seen so far in the next few years if they are still making them…

  30. Thread the Needle says:

    I’m not a Vettel fan, but I really dislike all the booing during Vettel’s podium interviews

    Think people should give him a break, he’s currently living the dream and it’s up to the other drivers to give him a hard time out on the track

  31. RR says:

    Booing Vettel on the podium is just unsportsmanlike. Perhaps it would have been right on, say, the day of Malaysia when a driver does something on the track beyond the pale, but not to keep doing it race after race.

    I also dislike the new podium interviews. They are deliberately playing to the crowd (both drivers and interviewers). The hard questions don’t get asked because the interviewers are often celebrities and not journalists. And they are awkward as heck. I would prefer they go back to the studio interviews.

  32. Anne says:

    I don´t understand why people think booing is wrong in F1 when it´s normal in other sports like football. Sports are about passion.This season is happening to Vettel but the next one it could happen to Hamilton or Alonso.

    1. Brukay says:

      Anne I don’t know how long you have been watching F1 but real fans are not used to it. If you like to boo, soccer would be a good start. Motorsport is a dangerous sport and i don’t think it is so safe as we thought it was when Rathenberger and Senna were killed also it is a very individual sport ie not a team sport in the true sense I would hate to think i had been booing a driver or rider and then hear they had died at the next race as use to happen in the dangerous year. The comment made by several people on this site that the FIA have made a mistake having interviews on podium is spot on, any way they were far better in studio when our James Allen was doing them. PS i was more embarrased at Monza when one of motorsports all time great and believe me he was a true Champ on two wheels as well as four wheels was interviewing Vettel was total disrespect, such a tragedy about son especially no fault of his son. Which just emphasize the point of dangers in our sport.

  33. Ben says:

    While Vettel doesn’t deserve to be booed, his behaviour has hardly been the pinnacle of sportsmanship either. His move on Webber in Malaysia was a disgrace.

    If he wants be loved he needs to show a bit more humility

    1. Martijn Müller says:

      “a bit more humility”
      Like thanking his team for every bit of success he achieves? Like honoring his crew by putting them on his helmet? Like not taking Alonso-like jabs about how other drivers are not as good as him?

      Come on dude, you don’t even know yourself what you’re talking about. You’re just saying a word you’ve heard left and right without even bothering to substantiate whether it holds any value or not.

      1. Ben says:

        It’s one thing to show humility in victory, it’s another to show humility in defeat or indeed to accept an honourable defeat rather than a stained victory.

      2. Martijn Müller says:

        Yeah, Senna said a thing about that. About accepting defeat. But sure, go ahead, tell yourself whatever you need so you can sleep at night while condoning such poor behavior.

        I guess that might be the funniest thing of this all. The people that show to have the lowest set of morals, attacking Vettel (and only Vettel) for so called bad morals. I wonder, on which side of morality does hypocricy fall?

      3. ben says:

        I thought the comment began by saying that Vettel shouldn’t have been booed…

        Anyway, I think if we can agree on one thing it is that we each probably have a pretty good idea of which side of the Red Bull garage the other would like to watch a GP from

    2. Scott says:

      A disgrace? Oh, come on. One driver overtook another in a motor race. Disgraceful , indeed.

      What do yo mean by humility, and please provide an example of where Vettel has shown a lack of it, to your standards, and what he should have done instead in order to meet those standards?

      1. Ben says:

        This was not a case of one car overtaking another in the ordinary course of a race; this was a driver overtaking another in circumstances where: 1) Vettel had agreed prior to the race that he would not overtake once the multi21 order was made; 2) Webber, relying on that agreement, had turned down his engine, thereby leaving him vulnerable – had webber known vettel was going to race, then he could have adjusted his engine settings accordingly; and 3) vettel had himself benefited from equivalent orders in the past. Overtaking in those circumstances is disgraceful. Nothing less.

  34. Harsha says:

    “Mark Webber has played on this”? Other than sympathy, what’s the point in doing so? Does not seem to help at all..

  35. Mark says:

    I really don’t understand the issue people have with sections of the crowd booing Vettel.

    In the other comments I read “it’s a tragedy that people are booing”

    No. A tragedy is what is happening in Kenya right now.

    Vettel gets my respect, he’s possibly the finest F1 driver around and will no doubt prove that next season when his car advantage goes away, he drove a faultless race and the gap he pulled out after the safety car restart was astonishing.

    I still don’t like him, aside from the Schumacher comparison he acts like a spoiled kid too much for me, I wouldn’t boo him myself but I don’t see why such a big fuss is being made about it, all that does is encourage more of it. Has noone been to a pantomime??

  36. Ronnie says:

    At last race through the US feed, Mario Andredy heard the boos and instantly said – I preferred boos if it means that I’ve won. I think Vettel perhaps has established such connection – the more boos means the better he’s doing.

    Plus he’s there to do what he loves to do – driving and competing; and to mark that WDC trophy; not some stranger’s approval.

    Go Vettel!

    1. Dave Aston says:

      Andredy? F1 WDC, Indy 500 and series winner, Daytona 500, Pikes Peak, Daytona, Sebring, roughly a million sprint car wins… But, it’s ANDRETTI. Good grief.

      1. Harsha says:

        Probably picked the spelling from the Yank pronunciation.. :P

  37. ChrisS says:

    There’s no justification for it at all. What is the point of attending a grand prix and booing the winner? Fair enough (I suppose) to do it in Malaysia if you really wanted to signal disapproval of what he did in that race. But it’s stupid and unsporting to do it in races where Vettel has done his job well, and done nothing wrong.

    Though if he doesn’t want to be perceived as arrogant, he does need to drop the stupid raised finger, and just give the crowds a cheery wave instead.

    1. Doobs says:

      Not all F1 fans were at Malaysia and able to let their feelings be known at the time, so he’ll have to cop it sweet at a few more places I think.

      1. k says:

        I’m looking forward to his reception at Melbourne next year…

        …especially if anything goes wrong on Dan’s car!

  38. Alex says:

    Vettel has brought it on himself. He is not a great driver, he just has the best car. He has proven before when he’s not running away with a race he can’t handle the pressure (practically t-boned Button, drove into Webber then blamed him for something that was clearly of Vettels doing, etc). he is a petulant child, horribly arrogant and can’t handle not having things his own way, as Malaysia proved. It costs a lot of money to go to these races and if fans want to boo, that’s their prerogative. If Vettel did more to endear himself to the fans, or at least did less to annoy them, he wouldn’t have to deal with the booing.

    1. Sanjog says:

      A pilot who has won 3 consecutive WDCs’ and is well on the way for a fourth, not a great driver ?
      Get real mate, how many F1 pilots have won 4 WDCs’? And you know what’s the common thread to all of them ?

      They are all GREAT.

    2. JCA says:

      I know his fans disagree, but his own team certainly thinks Mark tried to chop Seb at Brazil, so lets not pretend this is a one way street. As for not being great, the vast majority of the grid rate him as such (see team principals vote of the last four years).

      And lets not pretend the other three top drivers are angels, Lewis has broken team agreements and lost his mind on twitter last year, Fernando tried to [mod] his own team, Kimi disrespects the media to a ridiculous degree (see Lee Mckenzie interview, that was embarrassing to all concerned). All four have also shown disrespect to their fellows, particularly the backmarkers.

  39. AlexD says:

    I would personally never boo him….
    I do not like his character and looking forward to the day he will struggle in a red bull to finish in points….i am tired by red bull domination.

    As an example……i never skip races, allways watch them, but this weekend i completely ignored racing. I did not watch quaoifying, nor I did watch the race. I came here to read results….and now I know i can safely give up remaining races and find another hobby till 2014.

    But no…..i would not boo him.

    1. Kimi4WDC says:

      +1 making an exception to not following the weekend.

  40. Mr Squiggle says:

    Another thing I remember about Silverstone 2010 is the end of the first lap, Mark came tearing around in the lead with Lewis on his tail.

    British fans don’t often roar, but they did that day.

    It summed it all for me, much more than the booing now. And it happened years before booing had even started.

  41. Rob says:

    I no longer follow any particular driver or any particular team in Formula 1 as in my opinion it has become too boring and it is too stage managed with team orders and in some teams obvious number 1 and number 2 drivers and in particular number 2 drivers who are of course there to ride shotgun and do the job should the number 1 run in to trouble. Even the commentators were predicting a boring race at Singapore today, and of course they were correct.

    1. Darren says:

      I agree, I don’t particularly support any driver either at the moment, I would equally like to see Alonso, Raikkonen, Webber or any of the British guys doing well, basically anyone but Vettel then! I don’t really mind who wins so long as it has been a good entertaining race and the winner is a deserved one.

      I agree that it is all to stage managed now, I cant stand the engineer intervention, telling them how fast to go at a particular corner or to speed up or slow down, and on whether to overtake or not. I don’t really now what to do about it though. When we had refueling it was all about driving flat out all the time and that didn’t really bring exciting racing either. We tried hard tyres that don’t leave marbles back in 05 and that didn’t spice up the action either. I would have either of them over what we have now though, it just seems very false now a days and I don’t think that’s just down to the DRS. Hopefully the formula shake up next year will spice things up a bit!

  42. Valentino from montreal says:

    Multi 21 has nothing to do with it I think ..

    I believe that Alonso has himself created Vettel’s bad image … He started it last season with his
    ” fighting Newey” remarks and has successfully put the fans on his ” side ” and against Vettel …

    Jacques Villeneuve was the king of trash talk in 1997-1998 … Living in Montreal , I still remember how Villeneuve would constantly speak of Schumacher in the negative to the Quebec French speaking press , week after week …

    He never had anything positive to say about Schuey and thus making the public hate the German even more ..

    Ever since Alonso joined Ferrari , the Tifosis have gotten so bad with their behaviour …
    .

    1. Odjebi says:

      To be fair to JV there is very little positives to say about how schumi raced……….I suppose he was good at punting others off the track. Really knew his angles. Ironically, those same skills deserted him when he ‘misjudged’ the rascasse corner and narrowly avoided damaging his car BUT in the confusion of the incident (clocked at 34kmh) schumi stalled the engine and brought out a red flag.
      Oh and he is funny at times….like when he tried to explain the above incident

      1. Dave Aston says:

        91 Grand Prix wins.

      2. Fada says:

        Yes, but most F1 fans still don’t say much good about him. I guess that how u’ll love to be remembered as well.

    2. Equin0x says:

      Yeah well it’s Alonso who veto’d Vettel’s Ferrari move last year so he can try and tarnish Seb’s image all he want but he’s scared to have Seb in his team. Rightly so Seb would destroy Alonso in the same car Alonso wouldn’t want everyone to see that.

      1. Greatest of All Time says:

        Wow. [mod] Tell you what, why don’t you go ahead and blame everything that’s wrong with the world on him as well…

        Fernando ain’t afraid of nobody! Plus, Michael Schumacher also played an active role in selecting his team-mates back in his day. Heck! Even Vettel sounded off, saying he wouldn’t want to be paired with Alonso and would prefer Raikkonen instead. So that says something.

        Fernando’s a smart man. He won’t make dumb decisions to complicate his life.

      2. Darrin from Canada says:

        Oh goodness… no dumb decisions ever! #sarcasm

  43. Uwe says:

    Booing Vettel for Malaysia is absolutely ridiculous. What was wrong about that race? We all saw a gripping fight between two team mates and we saw good racing. And its not that Webber was overtaken by surprise. He knew very well in advance when Vettel started to pressurize him. If Massa had refused to give way to Alonso in Hockenheim 2010 race fans would have praised him up and down the pitlane for that.

    The only thing that Vettel did wrong in Sepang was not immediately standing up and saying “Yes, I ignored the team order. And why? Because of Silverstone and Brazil last year and because I was faster than you, Mark Webber. Go eff me, if you don’t like it!”

    1. Persi says:

      Vettel should never have apologised. He should have been man enough to declare that he was willing to win at all costs. That the manner of winning doesn’t matter to him.

      The real damage was what he said a few wks later.

    2. k says:

      What was wrong with Malaysia? Is this a serious question?

      Oh sorry, I didn’t realise that attacking a teammate who had his engine turned down and was in total conservation mode, effectively hobbled, was right!

  44. docjkm says:

    We’re talking about fans who parlayed some major stacks of Benjamin’s to be there. They’re entitled to cheer, boo, or whatever, within the bounds of ‘fan’ behavior.

    Seriously, does it matter?

  45. madmax says:

    Vettel’s a class act on and off the track. I would like to see how some of the other top drivers ego’s would cope with booes.

  46. Nick4 says:

    It’s called freedom of speech Christian. Whether one agrees or not we cannot stop people expressing their feelings in this way. Just ignore it. However some of Seb’s behaviour hasn’t helped his cause. Seb is so gifted he didn’t have to resort to ignoring team orders like he did in Malaysia. Perhaps one quality he doesn’t have is losing with dignity especially to his team-mate. It may help him to take a look at the first multi-WC, Fangio, and how he handled himself.

    1. SteveS says:

      Again, if drivers ignoring team orders really upset you, you’d be furious with Mark Webber. The fact that you’re not tells me all I need to know.

  47. Nas says:

    If your going to be ruthless, arrogant and win at all costs then people will hate you.
    You cant have it both ways.

    You are in the best car, and are dominating…just be humble for once in a while and people may like you…

    …If you only care about trophies and stats… then just smile and cop the boos.

    Having said that, I think the “booing” of a sportsman is unacceptable…especially whilst on the podium!

    Horner says..“I don’t know what it is, to be honest with you.”
    Perhaps that’s the problem…They are so caught up in winning, they have no idea how/what the fans think!

    Nas

    1. Kimi4WDC says:

      You can, it’s called striving to be a better human being.

      But then again he is so young, and expecting him to be perfect with such little exposure to life would make him nothing less than a genius.

  48. Timo says:

    I think the real problem is the way Vettel handled the aftermath of Multi 21. He initially apologized after the race but strangely the following weekend seemed completely unrepentant and arrogant about the whole situation. RBR management did not seem to discipline Vettel in any way – so it appears that fans have taken it upon themselves to chastise Vettel.

    I think Vettel and RBR need to have a PR face saving press conference where they apologize to fans and be really contrite. Pretending that it’s a simple case of over zealous Ferrari fans traveling around is neither accurate nor helpful.

    1. Bryce says:

      +1 Pretty well spot on.

    2. k says:

      The really, REALLY hilarious part of their “Ferrari fans” comments in Monza was that when Mark said to the crowd, “My last European race…” they absolutely ROARED for him, loved him, adored him, he even got bigger cheers than Alonso. And yet Mark has never worn the red suit.

      1. JCA says:

        He also hardly ever beats the guy in the red suit. No one boos the lovable looser.

  49. RC says:

    What a classy mature guy this Vettel is. Every single person who worked with him remarks how down-to-earth, nice and charming he is. And for a 26yr old, he exhibits remarkable composure.

    You don’t win admiration of Bernie, Dietrich, Newey, Berger and rally a team to support since the F3 days by being just a fast guy. See how Bernie gushes about what a great guy he is (even in 2008 when he was barely 20s without any championship).

    For all the WCC of past 50 years and their antics and drama and politics, he is one cool and very likeable champion, for sure. Heck he doesn’t even has a manager nor a flaahy gf. He still goes out with his highschool sweetheart.

    1. Stuart Harrison says:

      If he’s so “cool and likeable” how come he’s getting booed on every podium at the moment? A few bad eggs ruining it for everyone else? I don’t think so…

      I used to like him, back when he drove for BMW and Toro Rosso, but I don’t like him any more – the finger-waving, the fake celebrations (how many wins now, and he still acts like he’s just had his first orgasm when he crosses the line), the “Mark didn’t deserve to win”, his self-comparison to Senna at Brazil last year (or was it the year before), .. should I go on?

      1. RC says:

        Interesting..
        1. Finger waving = that’s just his trademark like so many other sportsmen. Even Bolt has his signature salute. So what? Why does that matter?
        2. Fake celebrations = matter of perspective. Does it annoy so much that he enjoys winning? Why does it have to be fake? Just because he won 33 times doesn’t mean he shouldn’t scream out his passion?
        3. MW doesn’t deserve win = Go check out Brazil 2012 onboard and you tell me if Massa did the same to FA, what would Ferrari have done?
        4. Comparison to Senna = Perhaps you may want to read the context of that quote, about that particular racing incident, not his career comparison, merely how that incident was similar to another one that he was thinking of.

        Haters will always hate, at least realize why you are doing it. No one has to like anyone, but one deserve to show better judgement of oneself. And furthermore, perhaps your F1 favorite has no such “flaws”, I imagine.

      2. Equin0x says:

        I agree +1000

      3. Stuart Harrison says:

        1, Usain Bolt’s trademark isn’t annoying. Does Vettel really appreciate the nickname “Finger boy” do you think?

        2, Personally, I save celebrations for something worth celebrating. His wins are practically routine nowadays; routine isn’t worth celebrating in my book. Matter of perspective as you say :)

        3, Matter of perspective. Malaysia = 3rd race of the season, everything to play for. Brazil 2012, last race of the season, world championship up for grabs. But you think to compare the two as equals? Hmm..

        4, I seem to recall that Senna had to complete the last ~20% of the race in 6th gear and ended up collapsing after he got out of the car from sheer exhaustion. So quite how Vettel felt he was “like Senna” when he merely had to short-shift in 2nd is beyond understanding in my book.

        To answer your final question, I’m not a hater and I have several favourites in F1 and they all have their flaws. That’s precisely why they’re my favourites.

      4. Kimi4WDC says:

        Yes, there is this fakeness about him. To a same degree with Hamilton too. But I can’t help to think it’s just because they in a way were robbed of their childhood and can’t find their place. This is specially shows with Vettel because he is obviously very life-loving chap.

      5. Brad says:

        Read post below, you must be a Hamilton fan…

    2. Dave Aston says:

      I think you’re onto something; I suspect he’s the most intelligent guy on the grid. He’s funny, an individual. He’s hard on track and I imagine, a perfectionist off track, but that’s why he’s clearly the best. I think a lot of sport fans are used to their heroes being brain dead; maybe Vettel is too challenging for the average.

  50. SteveS says:

    Alonso has done far, far worse then just ignore a team order (a “crime” which Webber has also committed) so I don’t buy for a second the notion that the hostility towards Vettel has anything to do with Malaysia. Hamilton and Alonso fans are upset that their guys are being made to look ordinary. That’s all there is to it.

    1. Brad says:

      Hit the nail right on the head there…

    2. Anil Parmar says:

      They are being made to look ordinary? That’s interesting. Lewis maybe has proven to be inconsistent but take away the car from Alonso and Seb, wouldn’t you say they’ve been pretty equal in terms of driving performances? Okay Seb had a poor 2012 apart from the post-Singapore upgrades but I wouldn’t say that drags him down, just as Alonso has had the odd poor race in his career (montreal 2007 comes to mind).

      The pair of them have been in a league of their own, but Red Bull have been in a league ahead of Ferrari. Give the team some credit!

  51. Becken says:

    Very complex matter, but I sense that we are seeing a backlash of how F1 was designed by FIA, FOM, media and teams through the years.

    Those guys always pushed F1 to be a driver oriented sport, when in fact it should be a team oriented sport in all its levels.

    Ok, we have the Multi21 thing, but what is happening is that those booing are, subconsciously, a protesting for what F1 in general (including media) sold for them for years: a Drivers Championship.

    Instead, we are seeing a outstanding team efforts to put Vettel 2 seconds faster per lap than anyone else.

    So, for some who are condemning the audience, don´t blame the uneducated crowd for felling frustrated, but those ones who always manipulated the fans’ perception of the sport.

    As an aside, I´d like to remember Seb on the Autosport Awards telling some good and funny jokes and, I have to confess: it is hard not to like him, or not to think he is a great kid with a well liked character.

    So, I feel for him, mainly for him being the target of fans’ frustration towards F1 and for the incompetence of the teams that those fans support.

    1. Joe B says:

      @ Becken – Very valid point, which I think comment #110 looks at from a slightly different point of view. To further back that up, I don’t recall this website ranking the teams of the year, however we do get drivers of the year. Not a criticism James, just relevant to the point being made about giving the audience what they want.

      Did the best team win in 2012? Certainly. But the best driver did not. That is a hugely potent point of contention when we’re being told that it’s the drivers that make the difference.

      1. Brad says:

        I think the best driver of 2012 certainly won Joe B. He had the most points at the end of the season and staged a remarkable comeback. This opinion of yours is borne from a view that the ferrari of 2012 was a dog of a car, which it certainly was’nt, especially in race trim

      2. Joe B says:

        Brad, I respectfully disagree. Vettel started the year being more or less matched by Webber, and made several big errors over the course of the season; it just so happened that the slick operation of the Red Bull machine came to his rescue and produced a significant car advantage with six races to go. Even then he tried his best to throw it away, but lady luck wasn’t having it.

        Meanwhile, whilst Alonso wasn’t literally pushing his car over the finish line, it was only ever there or thereabouts. He pressed every advantage and took every result he could, and it was only just not enough. IIRC Silverstone and Germany were the only races that the Ferrari had genuine front-running pace, and you only have to look at Massa’s results to see that Alonso did the rest.

        This article might interest you: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/12/my-top-5-drivers-of-2012/

  52. Chow Loon says:

    Booing is unacceptable except in cases of poor sportsmanship.

    In Singapore, Vettel was dominant, and raced cleanly to the finish, and did not deserve booing.

    1. Stuart Harrison says:

      But has already demonstrated poor sportsmanship elsewhere. Hence his “entourage” of booers.

  53. Matt W says:

    If you court the casual fans you have to expect the booing of a casual audience.

    But James really, the podium interviews have been an absolute disaster. You don’t get meaningful questions like you would with the old televised post race press conference, it is all about fawning to the crowd and coming out with the PR catchphrases.

    Gone are the days of the awkward body language and atmosphere as bitter enemies have to sit next to each other in front of the press. Now we have the carefully stage managed F1 PR event.

    1. Joe B says:

      @ Matt W – Fully agree. The atmosphere of the old press interviews was often times fantastic, and gave us a better insight into the drivers than watching them squirming in front of a partisan crowd.

      1. James Allen says:

        They still are: the press conference which I moderated after Malaysian GP this year was electric

      2. Joe B says:

        I can imagine! Am I right in thinking that these interviews now serve as the transcript for the F1 website, or is there still somewhere we (the general public) can see them?

      3. James Allen says:

        It wil be on F1.com and FIA.com

  54. Truth or Lies says:

    The shameful booing is symptomatic of our times, where large swathes of people receive news from sound bites and sarcastic headlines, rarely investigating deeply or researching facts for themselves. These people have swallowed the Fernando Alonso and Mark Webber stories of hard luck and racing misfortune at the hands of Sebastian Vettel.These are new fans from a time when drivers don’t get hurt or die while driving Grand Prix cars and where anyone can publish an opinion (as I doing right now) on forums like this. This brazen lack of respect for drivers is truly outrageous.

    The fact that more than 40% of the respondents to the poll accompanying this article, think that booing Sebastian Vettel is acceptable, speaks volumes to the calibre and character of fellow contributors to this great site. Now Fernando that is really sad.

    Finally I also disagree strongly that the podium interviews have been a success, I don’t believe they have been and I think we the fans learn less than from the traditional post race press conference. It’s time to change the format and end these silly and awkward exchanges.

    1. KARTRACE says:

      I must admit that I am closely following formula one since 1964 and respectfully disagree with you on every point that you raised here. Therefore I haven’t started following F1 yesterday but support a freedom of expression. If he is booed there must be a reason. Lets work on the cause and not on the consequences. I followed Seb since his karting days. He was a fine kid who was promising a lot. And he proved us right who believed in him ever since. His results speak volumes. But then he turned into a light headed ” media monster” who lost contact with life driven by Dr. Helmut.

  55. Luke Clements says:

    I’ll bet he wouldn’t have been booed in Sngapore had he stopped & picked up his team mate MW. Alonso did the decent thing & comes out looking so much better.

    1. Dave Aston says:

      It’s not the decent thing to do, it’s idiotic, and contemptuous of the stewards and marshalls. I’m glad he got penalised.

      1. KARTRACE says:

        Then you are following sport of idiots. Scores of those “idiots”, that we look upon, did the same thing over and over from the beginning of time in F1, including the steward himself who passed this hypocritical reprimand…

    2. KARTRACE says:

      And Weber was punished for this !!?? It is unbelievable what those stewards are doing. They want a surgically clean environment which is distancing itself from the tradition. It is unacceptable punishment. Ten grid places !!??

      1. rad_g says:

        The punishment was the reprimand, 10 place grid drop is only because it was his 3rd this year and it’s an automatic 10 place grid drop. Get your facts right.

      2. KARTRACE says:

        I follow the story do not need any lessons, thanks. You are not on the same page. I am talking about the reprimand. Getting reprimanded for something what happen after the race. FA & MW did the same thing like many generations of drivers did before. No one got punished for such thing ever before. F1 is lately run by the bunch of hypocrites. Stawards knew that such reprimand would lead into 10 grid penalty much the same like you, as Weber had already two before. That was reason, even more, not to pass this one. That’s what we are talking about.

      3. KARTRACE says:

        I follow the story do not need any lessons, thanks. You are not on the same page. I am talking about the reprimand. Getting reprimanded for something what happen after the race. FA & MW did the same thing like many generations of drivers did before. No one got punished for such thing ever before. F1 is lately run by the bunch of hypocrites. Stewards knew that such reprimand would lead into 10 grid penalty much the same like you, as Weber had already two before. That was reason, even more, not to pass this one. That’s what we are talking about.

      4. rad_g says:

        Apologies. You know the best. Thanks.
        All those people who have been trying to make F1 safer for over 20 years must have gone wrong somewhere. To such an extent that the drivers are now simply taxi drivers. No? That would be an excitement, drivers dying on the track so we can have fun.

    3. k says:

      Puh-lease. Vettel would never have done such a thing!

      And more to the point, I very much doubt Mark would have climbed on!

      In fact, if Vettel had stopped, and so had Fernando…oh man, the PR disaster for RBR that would have been, when Mark turned his back on Vettel and strolled over to the Ferrari!

  56. Andrew says:

    It’s not the nicest thing in the world to see someone win by not putting a foot wrong and get booed but that’s life. In sport you look for stories heroes, villains, comebacks and particuarly moments to love and sadly Vettel just doesn’t give us that. Races involve him running off at the start then maintaining a gap while looking after the car. Should he be booed? No but it happens and will keep happening.

    His image doesn’t help. His arrogant press replies when quizzed about passing Mark did alot of damage but then I didn’t think much of Lewis’s patheric attempts at feeling bad for not letting Nico passed. (There are brakes Lewis, you could have pulled over and used them!) Sadly Vettel has just had everything go his way over the last couple of years and people are being to get sick of it. He has had the best cars, the easy races, the luck (just ask Webber on that one) people prefer an underdog.

  57. James v B says:

    Boxing fans boo first round knock-outs, if the contest proves to have been uneven. In F1, it may or may not be Seb’s or RBR’s fault, but unless the other teams step up, this is not a great viewing spectacle. Paying fans have the right to boo, turn their backs, cheer, clap, or stay silent. F1 is not great value for money for fans in the grandstands as it is, so when the winner romps home with half a minute in his pocket, don’t expect them all to be happy. It’s up to the others to improve, but then, the regulations and ridiculous distribution of FOM revenues doesn’t help. Booing is fans’ prerogative and if Vettel proves to be the great champion some believe him to be, then only time will tell whether they were wrong to do so. Had I been there, I would probably have left the circuit by the time of the podium interviews, wondering why I had bothered flying half way around the world and spent £1K+ to see such a lame event.

    1. KARTRACE says:

      FOM revenues are easy to redistribute. Winners retainer should be 50% other 50% to be distributed to the lesser teams in order to spring them up. It would definitely change the picture in the long run.

  58. Allan B says:

    Time to take the Interviews back inside to the tried and trusted interview we used to enjoy, along with a great interviewer (a certain Mr James Allen, springs to mind) and not the celebrities we have had over the last little while.

    Yes it is great to see the likes of Stirling Moss and DC interviewing the podium finishers but if it will stop this booing, lets get back inside and soon.

    1. Darrin from Canada says:

      On the subject of DC doing the interviews, why was he so spacey the last time? Do he and SV not get along personally, was it just the Boos, or was there something else going on? It was a bit jarring to watch. But I did learn that if I want to be friends with DC I should not pour champagne on him – hehehe

  59. vettel/redbull are their own best enemies. the attempt to play down the multi21 episode shows just how distant they are from understanding the crowds reaction.

    whilst vettel was the prime instigator in the event his subsequent reversal of ‘mia culpa’ and horners admissions that he could not control and would not sanction vettel shows the fans/followers just where the hierarchy sits.they make a good pair…arrogance personified.

    silverstone keeps getting brought up in the denialists arguments but webber and vettel had no agreement and team orders were not supposed to be in play. brazil, another of the denialists faves was perfectly clear. webber stated prior to the race that he was going out to win and that is what he did. if you have ever watched the replays of that start you will see that webber did not chop vettel, he just protected his racing line yet red bull and all the vettel fans saw something completely different!!!if webber had infringed the rules re track position then he would have been sanctioned by the stewards. he was not.

    as i said earlier, red bull should seriously look at themselves and try to understand that vettel/horner are extremely unpopular. whilst i don’t support booing, in this case, if people want to boo then that is fine by me.

    1. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      Well put sir, especially regarding Brazil. Webbo can’t park his car braking for turn 1 on lap 1 or the following cars would plough into him. The only chop that lap was Vettel into Bruno Senna causing his spin and radiator damage.

      Having Helmut Marko slag off Webber in their Red Bull magazine isn’t ideal PR either.

      Good luck Dan Ric ;)

    2. Basil says:

      Well written, mate.

    3. Bryce says:

      Good on you for addressing the “denialists”.

  60. EA says:

    It’s a sport. Some people cheer, some people boo.

    People booed Schumacher, and he still got his titles. However, he’ll never be admired in the way Senna is (and was, even before passing), despite more than double the titles. Drivers and sportspeople in general mean more to fans than their numbers; and at the moment, Vettel is getting it because some people don’t endorse a lot of things in F1 and about Red Bull.

    Blaming one single incident is close minded. People are booing for the way RB killed Mark’s title in Abu Dhabi, for the preference Vettel got in Silverstone, for the multi21 nonsense, for the way RB got their way and had the tyres back to their preferred 2012 spec; for them having 2 teams, one at their disposal who freely move over for their Sr team, and who “vote” in whichever way it enefits it’s Sr. interest, while most of the other sportsmen have to deal with everyone equally and have 1 vote. Perhaps people boo because they don’t want to see the same boring spectacle as during the Schumacher era…

    So yeah… i dont think it’s anything personal against Vettel. He is a really nice guy and a great driver; but if people got the chance to boo at all those other things, i have a feelig they would, instead of booing Vettel.

    1. Doobs says:

      I agree with all the above except the last point. I think Vettel has let his carefully managed PR “nice guy” persona gradually slip and people have seen him for what he is – a spoilt and obnoxious little man.

    2. Scott says:

      Please provide specific examples explaining why Senna but not Schumacher is deserving of your admiration.

      1. EA says:

        Please provide at least 1 example where I say Schumacher isn’t deserving of admiration…

        I simply pointed out FACTS. And the fact is that Schumacher will never be and has never beem admired in the way Senna was/is.

        Now, personally… I think Schumacher was better driver than Senna. In fact, i think Prost was better than both. But i do understand Senna was actually an idol. The kind of idol Schu (and Prost) will never be; for many reasons, despite having crushing numbers.

        Senna was never booed, but michael was ;)
        Fact.

  61. Nick H says:

    Singapore being (relatively) close to Australia and their closest fly away GP, there are quite a few Aussies out here who certainly appear to have a ‘view’ on Vettel.

    Although it made for a dull race, any self respecting follower of F1 can only be impressed at his awesome performance today. It was a one man race.

    But I for one will need a little time to get over the Multi 21 deal. He comes over as a nice lad, but actions speak louder than words.

  62. rafa says:

    He doesn´t deserve the booing me thinks. Excellent driver whose sole fault is driving a very superior car, something by the way his closest rival has been after for a while now, but he´s made a number of calls that have put him of it. I am not Vettel´s fan and don´t enjoy his dominance but you can´t take anything away of him: what he has, he deserves.

    On a separate note, I find this website´s tone in the article quite an eye opener in the sense that it cuts out slack to Vettel in a way that I find lacking when a certain other driver wearing red is being talked about: you will find going through the articles over the last few months that whenever the subject is this particular driver, his faults or perceived faults are always glossed on quite thoroughly, even if these are instances that have only occurred far back in the past and have shown no repetition that would encourage the depiction of behavioral patterns this website is so keen to point out.

    Several weeks ago, on this thread, a poster mused on which driver Mr James Allen was most inclined to support, if any, and the name thrown by this poster was Hamilton´s, to which there was a whipping response by Mr Allen denying it. I found it quite disingenuous that anybody would make such a remark, when, if one´s been paying any attention at all to his writing, it is quite clear which driver it would be that Mr Allen has an inclination, and this article does nothing except reaffirm me in my opinion

    1. Louis DiMascio says:

      Your comment :
      ” find this website´s tone in the article quite an eye opener in the sense that it cuts out slack to Vettel in a way that I find lacking”
      is a bit at odds with
      “This website has consistently argued that ….. the team….. has contributed to a negative impression of Vettel which he does not deserve and furthermore, it was unnecessary because he is good enough to win without needing to create any impression that he is protected or favoured within the team. It has been counterproductive and he is now paying the price”

      But I do love Mr Allen’s over defensive reaction to posts like this so maybe we will be lucky and get one!

      1. rafa says:

        “that i find lacking when a certain other driver wearing red is being talked about…” I´m referring that whenever Alonso is the subject of his articles you won´t find Mr Allen as merciful as in this one or many others on Vettel, so no contradiction there. I was kind of hoping that Mr Allen would say something, but my post got barely any attention, so why bother?

  63. Stuart Harrison says:

    Vettel may be winning races, but he’s not winning the hearts and minds of F1 Fans around the world right now.

    The more he keeps dominating the sport the further he’s going to get from this twin objective – maybe that doesn’t bother him, but he’s never going to be considered a “legend” and “one of the greats” unless he does, regardless of how many records he breaks along the way.

    1. Doobs says:

      Interesting point. There are “legendary” drivers that never won a WDC, and now there appears to be a champion who is not exactly popular..

    2. KARTRACE says:

      I just wonder what(adverse) impact this whole thing would have onto Red Bull Brand, as those two go together. Your lead driver gets booed every weekend and he is wearing your colors. I couldn’t believe RBR left this matter for so long, un attended. It is maybe time to give Mark a chance to finish some races, on the podium, even possibly to win a few. Finger boy has wrapped up his 4th title, more or less. Even coming 4th or 5th till the end of the season would be enough for him, but may help repairing, otherwise tarnished, image of RBR.

    3. Totti says:

      I must have missed that crucial moment of your appointment as the head of driver’s career evaluation office, in addition to being F1 fan’s speaker and mind reader. As a consecutive 3x and probably 4xWDC at 26, he already is a legend and one of the F1 greats. That might be causing you some discomfort, well… tough luck.

    4. Scott says:

      So, what do you suggest? If the other teams and drivers are not good enough to challenge then are you suggesting that he should deliberately lose? That’s the logical conclusion. You specifically cite “dominating the sport” as a reason why people don’t like him. The responsibility for providing a competitive championship doesn’t only lie with Vettel. Why not boo Ferrari because they have been a bit rubbish over recent years, or boo Alonso because he cannot post a quick time in qualification, or boo Hamilton because his form is so up and down, or boo Webber because he’s just not good enough to challenge in the same car? Or any one of another factors? It’s so stupid to boo Vettel because he’s winning.

      1. Stuart Harrison says:

        Your logic differs from mine – deliberately losing would not be the logical conclusion. The logical conclusion would be to work to win the hearts and minds of F1 fans. Improve his PR.

        What do you hear of Vettel outside of F1? I hear very little. Hamilton and Alonso both have a presence, Hamilton with his Unicef work, Alonso recently making news by trying to save Epislon Euskadi. Webber does (or at least did) his bike riding to raise money for charity. None of these people have annoying finger-waving whenever they win. If the kid wants to be seen in the same spotlight as Senna, then perhaps he needs to start a charitable foundation or two.

        So Vettel has no balance to his F1 life – he turns up, get pole position, fastest lap and wins the race, screams about it over the radio, wags his finger when he gets out the car and that’s all we see of him until he repeats it all again in one or two weeks time. We only see him as an F1-race-winning machine and nothing else, we’ve lost all sense of his personality – hey, I used to like him when he drove for Toro Rosso, because he had some depth to him. Now he’s incredibly one-dimensional.

  64. goober says:

    This is a combination of factors, that have coalesced into a perfect storm.

    The pro-Vettel Red Bull support for years.
    The “victim” image of Webber.
    Malaysia.
    The initial remorse post Malaysia, the then bellicose retraction the following race.
    The finger – we see a lot of that finger.
    The podium interviews providing the opportunity to boo (which frankly are awful – how can you say they are on the whole a success, James?).
    Is there a cadre of meat-head F1 fans following the sport around doing the booing.

    And finally, it appears to have become a bit of a “meme” – it’s now a cultural thing.

    I think Vettel is amazing – I don’t particularly like him, but I can recognize the driving skill and ruthlessness, and admire it.

    I fear the booing isn’t going to go away. It’s not pretty. Get rid of the interviews to remove the opportunity may be the first step.

  65. Timbo says:

    It’s tall poppy syndrome, simple as that.

    1. Denis 68 says:

      Exactly

      The more they boo him the faster he goes. He absolutely humiliated his rivals in Singapore.

  66. All revved-up says:

    I like Vettel, and admire what he has achieved. His drive at Brazil last year after being spun around and racing from last in a slightly damaged car, with the championship on line – will I think go down as one of the legendary stories of his career.

    But even I feel that what he did in Malaysia, multi-21, was wrong.

    His initial expression that he was sorry was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, he then said he wasn’t sorry and that he would do the same thing again.

    I think fans are just letting him know that his attitude is just plain wrong.

    It is disrespectful of the entire team who have worked so hard to help him win. What if in racing Webber, they had a coming together or killed both their tyres? It’s not Vettel’s decision alone to take such risks. If he built his own car – like in the old days – fair enough. But as F1 is 80% car and 20% driver, Vettel must learn that it’s wrong for him to take matters into his own hand at the expense of those who built the car.

    But Vettel just has to tough it out this season. In time this will be forgotten – especially if 2014 changes the balance of power between the teams. If Bernie moves the interviews back into the pressroom next year – it’ll help break the cycle.

    1. KARTRACE says:

      Interviews should stay as they are. It has a human element between the public and drivers. He must learn to grow mature man.

  67. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

    Discussed this with the lads and girls at work, after Monza, why the booing and the results in order were:-

    1) 12 votes for Multi21 ‘backstabbing’, citing he wasn’t booed before this, even in dominant ’11 and Webbo is never booed so it isn’t RB getting booed.

    2) 5 votes for finger to camera – repeatedly. Over celebrating when Newey made it easy.

    3=) 2 votes for the whinging over the radio such as “Mark is too slow, get him out of the way!” or “get Charlie to.. ” ?

    5=) 1 vote for the annoying crazy frog ring a ding ding a ding celebrations. (she has a point with this one) ;)

    5=) 1 vote for he never passes people or has to work hard for the easy wins.

    5=) 1 vote for the dodgy hair colouring and lack of girlfriend never seen in the paddock?!?

    5=) 1 vote because he is an ‘annoying brat kid’ that has never had a bad car in his career ?!?

    5=) 1 vote for they are booing F1 and Newey but not Vet?!!?

    So, pretty conclusive it is because of Multi 21 and pretty conclusive there are some F1 fans that are completely nuts…

    1. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      oops, missed out the other…
      3=) 2 votes for not being genuine – with an apology for multi21 then retracting the apology

    2. RC says:

      Very funny, the whole F1 community once hated team orders? Now, we support team orders? Blah.

    3. ALL4IT says:

      @Clarks4WheelDrift: Quite an effective rating system! some are quite harsh but non the less the vote weighting are pretty well balance. now…how can we cast our vote?

    4. hahaha… i think your in depth analysis over a cross section of people highlighted lots of perceived truisms. well done.

    5. DMyers says:

      He was booed in Melbourne ;)

    6. johnpierre says:

      that was brilliant. the hair color one is the best though, when my wife saw his hair color for the monza race, she commented that he should loose race just for that and that alone. LOl.

    7. Mr Rubber says:

      Brilliant :)

      Lock the thread.

  68. Anton says:

    I believe that it’s his attitude when winning that annoys people. The finger and winning radio messages. I’m a Ferrari fan and used to hate Lewis Hamilton but this season he’s won me over with his more humble and open attitude.

    A little PR magic should fix things in no time for Vettel.

  69. DHoward says:

    You pay your money you get to boo. Of all the things in F1 that need fixing, talking about booing should be pretty low on the list. Seriously.

  70. Bones says:

    In 1991 Senna won the first 4 races. F1 have had not seen something like that in 30+ years.
    The year after Mansell won the first 5!
    Neither of them was ever booed.
    Why?
    Because they were class drivers thet never humilliate their rivals.
    Vettel is getting a fair treatment, is a payback for his fingers.

    Money can not buy class.

  71. BadName says:

    Yes, taking Webber’s front wing after Webber decided he didn’t like the balance and wasn’t going to run it. That’s when the team gave it to Vettel. They only had one of the new wings at Silverstone that year and they gave Mark the choice whether to run it or not first. He chose not to.

    Webber himself has continually undermined not only Vettel’s but more importantly, the entire teams efforts. I don’t need to point to a specific race because they are numerous.

    This whole perception thing is of your own creation. It isn’t in line with the reality of what is happening internally with the teams or the sport. You are speculating, your job is to speculate. And British media all have a very specific, like-minded slant when reporting the the news to it’s British like-minded viewers.

    I’m on the outside looking in at this fish bowl. I simply enjoy the idea of the Constructor’s Championship, and what it represents. Though it has been watered down considerably.

    As far as booing. It’s really irrelevant. The only relevancy is what the media gives it. If some Ferrari fan pays all that money to go to a race, they can boo all they want. Being a fan that only sees Red, above all else, is punishment enough, as they aren’t fans of the sport, but some sad version of Pavlov’s Dog.

    1. BigHaydo says:

      Could you quote the source regarding Webber not wanting the new front wing at Silverstone 2010? Have never seen this coming from Webber or the team – at least not from someone willing to be named.

      Mark said in his own book about the season: “Seb’s new wing failed in the first session, and mine had a small bonding issue on one of the sections and looked like it might not be useable either. So we decided to revert back to the older design. But then it turned out my new wing was fine… And the team elected to give it to Seb. It was the first time the team had ever been in that position where they had two drivers but only one part: a unique situation, and one that was handled ‘interestingly’ from my perspective”.

      1. gadfly says:

        Here’s a story covering the incident – although the source is not named.

        http://www.crash.net/f1/news/161787/1/webber_never_liked_new_wing_claims_engineer.html

  72. Andrew Carter says:

    I can’t help but find all these people booing Vettel at every opportunity to be utterly pathetic.

  73. Limelee says:

    Years of Vettel dominating have reduced his popularity and simultaneously made others more popular. The top drivers today are all unique in their approach and appeal. Raikkonen, the iceman, whose no nonsense approach and lack of emotions give him an uber cool persona tat people can latch onto. Hamilton, the self critical showman, who can light up any given Sunday with his on track improvisation and spectacular feats that entertain beyond that of any other driver. Alonso, the gladiator, Abe to fight to the end and use every weapon in his arsenal to battle against seemingly insurmountable odds. Then there’s Vettel, the tyrant champion. Who only accepts victory. Never happy with second, and whose main weapon is ruthless domination. If these qualities were given to characters in a superhero movie, Vettel would undoubtedly be the villain

    1. Brad says:

      lol Limelee…nice assumption!!! even as a Vettel fan

    2. Fada says:

      Haha! Very well said!

  74. Eusebio says:

    I wonder how does it feel for the team and the brand they represent (Red Bull) that their main star and winning driver is not very likeable and this raises more comments than his stunning victory.
    I guess it’s more a matter of having attention, regardless if it’s good or bad.
    However, this is not the image that Red Bull wants to portray.

  75. Torchwood Five says:

    Last two or three races, I have wondered if we, the audience, are being played.

    Specifically, two out of the last three Seb’ victories, his last laps were plagued by technical issues that we heard over the radio, but did not seem to physically affect the car, or noticeably cause Vettel to react, slow, or do anything but keep pushing towards the end.

    This race, “look after your brakes”, “vibrations are getting worse”; I didn’t see any change in Vettel’s performance for the worrying radio messages.

    When Mark received his first “Short shift” message, Sky commentator reminded that both RBR drivers had received that message the last race, but certainly with Vettel, I had not seen it affect his race in the slightest.

    I’m starting to get the feeling that we are hearing those messages to offset any lights-to-flags procession negativity we might be feeling.

    Oh poor Vettel. He had those problems late in the race, but overcame them.

    Mark’s problems. His car was on ******* fire; what Top Gear’s Jeremy Clarkson would call a “warning light”!

    1. kers says:

      Completely agree with you regarding the mysterious “problems” Vettel is fighting with every race.

  76. Carlos Marques says:

    Vettel is an arrogant person. He drives for a very arrogant team which, of all teams, should be trying to be the most popular team, and not the most hated team. Together they’ve managed to kill all the interest in this year’s championship. And boy oh boy- that finger. That finger alone is reason enough to boo him every. single. lap.

    Senna displayed Brazil’s flag to promote his country- to make the poor back home proud of their country. The only time he raised his finger on a podium was to tell Fangio how he considered Fangio #1. Compare that with finger boy.

    1. adam says:

      Senna was so arrogant he used to lecture other experienced drivers on how they should drive !

  77. hulliby says:

    I can’t believe the poll results so far…that many people honestly think the booing isn’t wrong? It’s one thing to say you can see why people are booing, but another to say it’s actually quantifiably justified. If you don’t like seeing the guy win, maybe you shouldn’t be buying tickets to the races in the first place…

    1. Dhoward says:

      Its OK, really it is. Its just booing. Nobody is wishing the kid to die or anything, just booing him. You pay your money, you have that right. We can’t tell eachother who the right team is to cheer for, so who cares about booing. Ever been to a US college football game? The booing starts when the visitors take the field, every time. What I find utterly hilarious is that Horner seems so upset about it. You can’t make people like you. Just do your job and deal with it.

  78. Mikeboy0001 says:

    People’s envy is so stupid
    I’m not a Vettel’s fan, as I already supported Hamilton when Vettel came in, but one’s should stop and wonder about how great this guy is
    Instead, most people are being ridiculous, saying Andrew Newey is the only reason Vettel is dominating F1. Do you understand anything about motorsport???
    It made me sick to watch a whole crowd booing someone who had just gone through the toughest race of the calendar, with one of the greatest drives I’ve ever seen
    No other driver on a Red Bull seat, could have won the race today, as they would have lost it to Alonso, as they would never be able to make a enough gap to pit and exit in front of the field
    Fantastic Vettel, you’ve upped the F1 game, now it’s for the others to catch up!!!

  79. ALL4IT says:

    Yes yes VET is winning all the time but that’s all fine because he deserved it, there are other reasons too for the booing not because he’s not a Ferrari driver which VET himself thinks that’s the sole reason, many people were extremely annoying with the F… finger in your face every single time after quali/win (and this happens more often than one’d like) I think drivers who had press photo with VET after quali/podium are quite embarrassed and annoyed too with his finger antic but they can’t say anything or want to say anything. All the yiha came from VET after a win Quoted “Boys..That’s what we talking about..”, “That’s what we called Control” it all sounded like this boy is getting more cocky by the day…just say lots of thank you/appreciation 4 your team would have been well received, it’s not VET’s first win anymore, instead of saying whole lots of craps… these are what many people’s perception of VET if they only start watching F1 in the last 2-3 years…VET loses nothing by not sticking his finger up people’s face (unless people actually like the UP Yours finger) humble really go a long way!…

  80. Richard says:

    It perhaps doen’t take too much for the fans to boo Vettel. There is a touch of arrogance which is distateful. The finger as he stares into the camera lense, the time he ran into Webber, and the stunt he pulled on Webber under team orders. You reap what you sow, and now the fans have latched onto him they will take some shaking off. Unsportsman like moves are not easily forgotten, and Horner has himself to blame for not insisting Vettel give the place back. Webber is popular, Vettel is not! Fans have eyes and they’re not stupid!

  81. JOdum5 says:

    F1 has been craving for more fan interaction in the sport, now they’re getting it. I wonder what the clever folks running the sport will do to prevent this…

  82. Elie says:

    James saying “it’s academic and Seb got the 7 points” is at the heart of the perception of Vettel. Fans I think don’t want Academic and they don’t want just results they want to see sportsmanship, they want to see clean fair fights- not just the results afterwards.

    There are several problems that are hurting Seb. One is the legacy of Turkey 2010 and Silverstone front wing exchange. People are feeling that Seb is receiving unfair advantage- that’s the perception even if it’s not true. Mark has used this for all its worth and got fans on side- which has not helped Sebs cause.

    Multi 21 in Malaysia only came about because the FIA allowed the radio messages to be broadcast. Showing “get him out of the way.. He’s too slow” etc..Just projected Seb as a villain. I’m sure much worse things are said during the course of a GP that happily go unnoticed..Mark did several racing things over the years that just went unnoticed because there was no commentary or highlights.Ignoring teams orders is the perfect example !

    Really it’s all these things and then you have Seb perceived as sticking his finger up the fans each time he wins after such FIA and Media hyped events. I think everyone’s played a part in it. But ultimately that’s Sebs personality even if it’s hyped up and it will be hard to undo.

    1. k says:

      There is also a less-used and perhaps more pertinent example: Hungary 2010.

      Vettel pits under safety car. Webber doesn’t. Vettel screws up under the safety car and gets a penalty. Serves the drive through while throwing a temper tantrum a two year old would be proud of. Carries on his race.

      Webber puts in forty qualifying laps in a row to build enough of a lead to come out of his pitstop in front.

      Vettel queries on the radio as to how far behind Webber is. When the answer is that Webber is in front, Vettel’s answer was:

      “How the f*ck is Mark in front of me now?! How is that possible?!”

      Few who were watching the pre-podium stuff of that race would forget Vettel storming about that room complaining about his penalty. His congratulations to his teammate were perfunctory, brief, and lukewarm at best.

  83. Marlon says:

    James, people say they hate team orders and when Vettel disobeyed team orders in Malaysia they hated him for it (even if it is retaliation to Webber)so I think it is really the his dominance why they are booing and it not HIS fault. It is the fault of the other teams for being not competitive.

  84. Rod Aguirre says:

    I think if he stops the finger and the euphoric yelling in English (German would be OK) after the wins people might forgive Malaysia.

  85. DonSimon says:

    A genuine fan wouldn’t boo. I am not a massive Seb fan but I was at the race and I told a few people under the podium to stop booing. It’s pathetic.

  86. bronwyn collier says:

    The booing didn’t start in Malaysia, that just exacerbated it. I was in the crowd watching the podium in Melbourne and he was booed when he was introduced to the podium there too which made me very uncomfortable, even though I am not a Vettel fan. I don’t think the problem is that he wins all the time, but the way he behaves when he does, putting his finger up to the cameras and rubbing everyone else’s nose in it. Schumacher was also unpopular but didn’t get booed when he won as he did it with my more humility and grace. It also keeps getting pointed out that it’s a long time since Malaysia but it is the first time the spectators from each country that gets visited have the opportunity to voice their opinion of his actions since then. He needs to grow up and behave with a bit more dignity and retire that finger forever and he might win the fans over but he has made his own bed!

  87. Doobs says:

    Why does CH say it’s unsporting when he doesn’t know the reason for the booing. Maybe people just don’t like Vettel….

  88. K Nam says:

    In my humble opinion, the booing of Vettel is not one thing but a combination of factors that have been coming together slowly over the last couple of years. And so fairly or unfairly these are the reasons I’m going to propose.

    Firstly, I think here is a prevailing feeling among some fans, drivers and other observers that Vettel is simply not deserving of all the success that he has had and that while he is one of the best, he is not as good as Alonso or Hamilton and simply the recipient of brilliant design job by Newey for the last four years. If the Red Bull weren’t SO dominant I think many feel that either Alonso or Hamilton would have won with slight disadvantages but at the same time would have given Vettel more respect for winning without such an easy ride.

    Secondly, Red Bull Racing simply doesn’t anywhere near the history and therefore the fanbase that say Ferrari or McLaren have. Without the fanbase there is nobody to back you up and conversely more fans that are prone to disliking you and your best driver.

    Thirdly, as James mentioned in his article RBR have done a piss poor job managing their drivers and expectations. It is one thing to say that you have no team No.1 but clearly treat one driver more favourably. The F1 world senses a little bit of hypocrisy which can turn people off of Vettel and at the same time sympathize with Webber. As a fan, I don’t care if the team has a No.1 or not but be clear about it. McLaren have never not supported both their driver’s equally as evidenced by the Senna/Prost days and more recently, Hamilton/Alonso and Hamilton/Button partnerships. Ferrari on the hand have mostly had clear No.1′s and nobody has a problem with that. RBR should have said Vettel is No.1 and that’s that.

    Vettel either is, or has been portrayed as perhaps more cutthroat and perhaps arrogant than advertised and while there are many fans who say that winning is the only thing and should be the only thing respected, there are many like myself who idealize winning while being a good sportsman. I, for one, felt good about Button’s championship frankly because the Brawn story was a classic underdog tale with the protagonist being a genuinely nice guy. I was much more delighted and happy for Button and his one championship than all of Schumacher’s 7 put together. And so it is possible to be a champion and be a good sportsman at the same time. To be honest, being given a spectacular car actually gives you the luxury of showing a little humility and grace. But as they say, extremes bring out the true nature of a person and perhaps that’s what people may have seen with incidences like Multi 21 (which I think certainly think was the straw that broke the camel’s back) and the subsequent perceived lack of genuine contrition by Vettel afterwards.

    Finally, fans are just getting sick, bored and tired of seeing Vettel winning all of the time. It is much more pronounced or it has finally hit the boiling point this season because unlike the previous years when there was more of a legitimate fight further into the season by more teams this year, barring a miracle, seems pretty much wrapped up and we are only 3 races past the summer break. It doesn’t help that McLaren has produced such a dud and therefore further reduced the number of contenders.

    If I were Red Bull, I would consider this a PR mess and would actually do something about it because at the end of the day, the talk of booing is taking away from the talk of the spectacular job the team has done this year. Red Bull, the drink company is in this for marketing purposes and so while winning is of tantamount importance, RBR needs to build popularity, not lose it.

    If I were Vettel, I wouldn’t be so dismissive of his public image because when all of us including Vettel look back in 10-20 years people will look back and say that he was either just a champion or that he was a great champion. While it’s true nobody remembers the runner up, we also all remember how you won and F1 fans in particular have very long memories.

    1. Joe B says:

      @ K Nam – Perfect comment.

    2. Kirk says:

      Your point is interesting about the PR and that RB should take care of it, but this reminds me Apple, some days ago they announced the new iPhone, most of the press was negative, that is was not innovative, that they are losing their vision, they are losing a corporate image, and the stock fell +6% that day. Well, as the iOS7 was released, the stock began to recover and today it has climbed almost 5% because the new iPhone it’s been sold better than ever, I just searched for the Red Bull gmbh 2012 results and they are increasing sales quarter to quarter, I don’t think that they are going decrease their revenues and I suspect that all this things as the case of Apple give them free press, exposure and therefore sales, it’s strange but it happens.

      1. K Nam says:

        @Kirk, interesting point about RB sales but if this were purely about money, I suspect that RB would probably sell as much without the team and save themselves a few hundred million to boot and so this is about doing promotional activity. If this is the case, I would reiterate my point that while winning is good for promotions, being associated with annoying sore winners (Vettel) and whiners (Horner) is not.

        With regards to AAPL, I own Apple everything but believe it or not, I’m going to consider shorting the stock at $500-520 for a trade, not that you should take my advice, watching the stock will likely be more interesting than the rest of this season.

  89. Monktonnik says:

    The booing is unsporting.

    In cases like Malaysia or Canada 2002 I think there is some justification, but simply because Vettel is dominant is a poor excuse for that kind of behaviour.

  90. OzWatcher says:

    People are boo-ing Vettel for a reason – they simply don’t like him. He is a reasonable driver but has easily the best car and is treated like the golden child, almost always at Webber’s expense. This is especially the case when Marko is concerned. When Schumacher was winning, he did it by being a German, who motivated an italian team and it’s english engineers. Vettel is a german driver in a primarily german team when the HR is managed by a less than impartial german manipulator. Vettel will never leave Red Bull because he knows he wouldn’t have a hope of achieving what he has so far. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. People can normally pick a bad operator when they see one. They have every right to voice thier displeasure of Vettel if they don’t like his MO. Vettel has made no attempt to hide his true personality and is implicit in significant team bias so I’d suggest the golden boy hardens up and stops whining. Same goes for Horner.

    1. JCA says:

      Red Bull Racing is based in Milton Keynes, with a predominantly British workforce. Helmut Marko is Austrian, as is the Red Bull parent company. Its like calling Canadians American. Horner is British. There’s no grand German plan for domination here.

      Vettel has made it clear that he wants to race for Ferrari at some point in the future. It is generally expected that he would succeed either Kimi or Fernando in two or three years, even Webber alluded to it in an interview with Sky UK.

      No sane driver will voluntarily leave a championship winning team, without a complete brakedown of relationships in the team.

  91. tim says:

    I was at turn one yesterday, was interesting that 90% of the red bull hats had a number 2 not a number 1. Also I was amazed at how different the engine sounds of Webber and vettels car were. Vettels sounded so much more “blown” through the left right left turn 1 S and more grating under acceleration as in the days of traction control. Is there something in this James or it just the driving style?

  92. Kimi4WDC says:

    Only Vettel can make crowd boo his or stop. Maybe he should have a harder look at his idol. He is certainly matching MS’s achievements, but he is no where close to him on as a human being. Maybe it’s just age.

  93. Tone says:

    I reckon if Seb put the finger away he’d be more appreciated. A little humility would go a long way.

  94. JohnBt says:

    The sympathy for Alonso has created the Ferrari boo syndrome.

    Only way to stop it is no more post race interviews at the podium. Kinda cheapens the most expensive sport in the world.

  95. JohnBt says:

    Wow! the poll results is not very encouraging with 45% saying its ok to boo. That’s very disappointing.

  96. bayan says:

    He might not have helped his image in malsysis but you can’t deny that he is a huge talent and certainly deserved the win and not the boos today. Today was the definition of domination

  97. quest says:

    It is just losers being losers and there can be no justificiation esp. after Vettel put up such a stunning show.

    I also feel Alonso and to a lesser extent Hamilton are to blame for their trying to insinuate repeatedly last year that Vettel’s success was completely. His mind games didnn’t affect Vettel in any way but it gave the sheep validation. Their hero said it so it must be true. Even on this very site there was a hugeincrease in comments saying Vettel’s success is undeserved after Alonso started his games.

  98. Glennb says:

    This is just the sort of attention these booers seek. They feed off the attention and grow. I suggest that the booing and the booers will reach pandemic proportions before the year is out. For them this sort of stuff never gets old.
    I couldn’t possibly know but I have a feeling that they are also booing RBR for being so dominant. As someone else has said recently, they should be booing their favourite underperforming teams and drivers, not Seb and RBR.
    What can RBR and Seb do to silence the booers? Start each race from the pitlane maybe? That will throw even more fuel on the fire when he still manages to score big points so even that won’t work. Maybe the other teams and drivers need to get together in support of stopping this rubbish once and for all. Boycotting the ceremony, not throwing their hat to the crowd, speaking out maybe.
    It has to stop but I know it wont stop anytime soon.

  99. Fireman says:

    Didn’t expect 45 percent to vote no. Makes you wonder if there’s any point in reading or posting comments here.

  100. Iain says:

    ” Mark Webber has certainly played on this”

    How has he done this?

    It was he who after Monza said enough was enough of the booing.

    There is no mention of this in the article.

    Generally people don’t like bad sports. The fact that we are no longer in Malaysia does not mean all is forgiven.

    Why did the article not mention that Vettel did apologise, but then retracted it before the next GP?

    Can you not understand that the fans do not like this kind of BEHAVIOUR.

    Regards,
    Iain

  101. Ding wamage says:

    People think that Vettel would not be as good if he were in another car. Plus he keeps winning all the time. I think Red Bull missed a huge opportunity by not getting Kimi or Fernando for next year as that would have cemented Seb’s reputation as a great driver.

    Also, there are too many football fans in all walks of life these days, including F1. Of course they will boo because that’s who they are.

  102. alan says:

    jim richards summed up the crowd in the 1992 bathurst 1000 race after he won
    http://youtu.be/hjdxh8ZBxq8

  103. tim says:

    I was at turn one yesterday, was interesting that 90% of the red bull hats had a number 2 not a number 1. Also I was amazed at how different the engine sounds of Webber and vettels car were. Vettels sounded so much more “blown” through the left right left turn 1 S and more grating under acceleration as in the days of traction control. Is there something in this James or it just the driving style?

    1. James Allen says:

      Not heard that. Vettel did the real damage in sector 3

  104. Andy James says:

    booing is unsporting according to Christian horner, i cant help but think that sebastian only has himself to blame.
    whilst clearly he must have sone talent, his unsportingness to his team mate, favouratism toward getting the new parts, going against team orders, all add up to make him to very unsporting himself deserving of boos? possibly not, but you cant blame the fans only sebastian.
    a good possibly great driver yes. a great champion no.
    would i boo no, do i respect him as a person no, do i respect him as a driver, absolutely yes…

  105. Dan says:

    I think its funny that they think the boos are coming from a minority and that they travel to each race. They dont travel, they are in each different country already. I seen people with all different team shirts not just ferarri.

  106. Harshad says:

    Few things that shouldn’t happen just shouldn’t happen; as simple as that really.
    Booing (anybody) is wrong, if you don’t like what you see, then watch some other sports. F1 is not the only Sport/Motorsport in the world.

    All the drivers in F1 put their lives at risk, and bunch of hypocrites who don’t appreciate the risk involved keep booing. Put those hypocrites in F1 car, then they will understand how challenging it is to drive an F1 car, leave alone setting fastest laps and winning races and championship.

  107. Goldeneye76 says:

    Booing may seem unsporting but, as long as there is no violence or racism, people are as perfectly entitled to boo as they are to cheer.

    Teams seem to have forgotten 1 thing – without the spectator there is absolutely no point in putting on this show. For the last 3 races the result has been so predictable after the first corner that people are starting to get fed up. It’s not Vettel’s fault that the other teams can’t build a rocket on rails but at the end of the day the races aren’t exciting anymore as there’s no battle at the front.

    People are shelling out good money for a non-event and, at the end of the day, the customer is always right. If the fans want to boo then let them boo.

    I’ve noticed on other discussions the arguments about Vettel versus the quality of the RB9 and people pointing out the Mclaren MP4/4 was even more dominant when Senna won his 1st WDC. Where that argument falls down is ni the fact that Senna was driving against a World Champion Team Mate in the same car and had to beat him to the title. That’s something Vettel hasn’t had to do and to many people won’t be worthy of his 4 championships until he does it. Red Bull had the chance to let their boy shine next year but they picked the wrong team mate

  108. KARTRACE says:

    Booing is democratic and absolutely legitimate action of the public. They are obviously not booing Seb the driver but Seb the spoilt brat who wasn’t watching his actions and mouth. Usually you get what you deserve. Spin masters ( Marcos) may not control the public, they may control their internal affairs and that’s as far as it goes. I just,innocently, wonder is it statistically possible that all troubles happen on MW RBR ?

    1. JCA says:

      Vettel has lost wins through mechanical failure at several races, three in 2010 alone, Webber has never retired from the lead.

      1. KARTRACE says:

        Nor Weber ever got preference of any more advanced parts as such. Excusing inexcusable is effective as much as beating a dead horse. BTW Weber was not ever my favorite driver whilst Seb was on my top 5 list.

      2. JCA says:

        You asked if all mechanical faults happened on Webbers car, I have named instances of Vettel retiring due to mechanical failure. I did not ‘excuse the inexcusable’, I stated a verifiable fact.

      3. KARTRACE says:

        Verifiable fact is that more failures happen on MW car then SV, that is a fact. And much more disrespect as well.

      4. JCA says:

        I found this on a forum post by the member ob1kenobi.23

        http://forum.planet-f1.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8645&start=80

        Near the bottom of the paige, but the summery is of their time as teammates until Monza this year:

        ’4.5 year score card

        Sebastian Vettel: 40 issues (33 mechanical issues, 3 team order, 2 team-mate clashes, 2 significant pit stop issue), 8 leading to a DNF

        Mark Webber: 45 issues (33 mechanical issues, 3 team orders, 2 team-mate clashes, 7 significant pit stop issues), 3 leading to a DNF’

        I won’t post the whole thing as it is obviously lengthy. And obviously are all the issues of different magnitude.

      5. KARTRACE says:

        If you read discussion on the tread to which you posted the link they say also this :


        1. Australia (race): Pits to car communication failure on warm up lap
        2. Australia (race): KERS failure
        3. Malaysia (Q3): Miscommunication with pits for final run
        4. Malaysia (race): Team undercuts team mate
        5. Malaysia (race): Back-stabbed by team mate
        6. China (Q2): Fuelled short. Stops on track and misses Q3. Sent to back of grid
        7. China (race): Faulty pit stop release system for first pit stop
        8. China (race): Wheel nut failure / pit stop error
        9. Bahrain (race): Floor damage early in race
        10 Spain (Q3): Tyres go off in quali sector 3 putting him 7th on grid
        15. Germany (race): Wheel nut failure / pit stop error
        17. Belgium (race): clutch setting issues pre-start resulting in slow start
        18. Italian (race): gearbox problem during race, costing him 2nd + chance to push leader, front-wing damage from Alonso pass
        19. Singapore (race) forced to short-shift, dropped loads of positions, engine gone, car goes on fire.

        It’s been non-stop for Webber this season (and the last two, to be honest).”

      6. JCA says:

        You’ll notice that the list I quoted is a report to the list you quoted. Anyway, I’m out on this conversation, have a nice day.

  109. Harshad says:

    Overall, compared to guys like Alonso, Hamilton, Kimi, Button, Vettel seems to lack the x factor!

    That’s all, may be he should have a deal with a marketing firm or too to build his image, that might help.

  110. David S says:

    One possible solution….

    Brazil 2013…Webber’s last race….Bulls are 1-2 with 5 laps to go and Seb moves over to give Webbo a win in his final F1 outing..

    Job done :)

    1. k says:

      At that very moment, as an ardent Webber supporter for his entire career, who would give everything to see him win one last time…

      …I would want him to nerf the smug little brat.

  111. AussieWoZ says:

    Wouldn’t it of been nice if Seb picked his broken down team mate Sun night instead of ANYONE else, let alone a Championship nemesis in Alonso … Possibly a missed chance for Seb to look a little more like a likeable champion, not just a winner on the track.

    Anyone who didn’t enjoy seeing that ride into the pits from Alonso is a bum. Not often we get to see someting so sporting outside of the intensity of the race (the penalty is ludicrous)

    There is a difference between being a winner and a peoples champion and either Seb doesn’t get that or just doesn’t care. I for one would have been super impressed if he picked Mark up. I’m aware this would never happen, hence I don’t see him as a champion like Schumi or Senna.

    The boos will continue until he changes his image more broadly and does something to become more likeable. This is unlikely to happen whilst still at RBR in my opinion.

    1. k says:

      It would have backfired. Webber would never have climbed on the car with Vettel.

  112. Tommi789 says:

    The facts are this, Vettel is a great driver who has done some bad things in F1 like Malaysia, and the fans have the right to boo him. I think it would be pretty boring if everyone just appreciated every driver and there was no rivalry between fans. The main fact is the fans want to see a competitive sport and with Redbull there it isn’t going to happen.
    The only thing that can be done to even out F1 is to put some kind of spending limit in the rules. For example, a limit to how much every team can spend on designing/developing their car. Like UEFA’s FairPlay rule.

    1. MJ says:

      I think this was proposed and enacted voluntarily by FOTA, and off course then the RB teams shunned the ideas and left FOTA, and refuse to back any restrictions or audits they can.

      I am not for a very tight budget, formula one should be the pinnacle of technology (unfortunately it’s getting dumbed down all the time which is why aero dominates) and that does not come cheap, but just like in football, I hate to see championships determined just by money spent.

      There will always be teams more successful than others, and why not enjoy a bit more resource hard earned, but the gap needs narrowing, I agree.

  113. leonp says:

    For all SV past and future achievements, I think we should start to accept that he has not connected with all F1 fans and that a certain percentage just don’t like him. It could be related to arrogance, dominance or ‘multi 21′. Unfortunately, the other teams haven’t provided enough competition and SV is dominating in the era of DRS, lead from the start and Adrian Newey designs.

  114. Gareth says:

    His attitude stinks when he looses, its never his fault, he only cares about himself.

    1. Mike says:

      Maybe that “stinking” attitude is why he is three time world champion? In order to be the best you have to selfish and singleminded. Schumacher was the same (in his prime), Lance Armstrong the same (even though he did take things to an extreme). A boxer would never get into a ring thinking they are going to loose.

      On the other hand nice drivers like Button are happy with 7th place.

      1. Gareth says:

        Mike I agree with exactly what you said. However in these days people can cheer and boo for anyone they want. Vettel must know that people dont forget.

  115. UncleZen says:

    I was too busy yawning to boo him.

  116. bearforce says:

    I love this site. No sugar coating, presents both sides of the argument and gives an opinion and I couldn’t ask for more.

    The booing in this case is because Vettel is winning so much. I believe Alonso started this rubbish with “I am racing Newy comment”, we also saw Alonso on the podium revving up the Ferrari crowd who went form cheering for Alonso to booing Vettel.

    Alonso should speak out against Ferrari fans booing.

    Vettel is a gentleman and has never responded badly to Alonso “racing Newy” comments or the booing. I can imagine Alonso reaction to a sustained booing campaign against him or someone saying he is only winign because of the car or designer.

    I would love to

    ps As someone above suggested could we please have closed post race podium interviews with Mr Allen again. We used to get information and insight from these. The current podium interviews are a bit of a shambles all round and then there is the booing rubbish.

  117. Kevin M says:

    I think it’s a tough one. When I’ve seen Vettel at pre-race signings he’s behaved like an absolute champion. He spends as much time as he can with the fans. If you watched the coverage for the Singapore GP you saw next to nothing of Vettel. He gets no air time because he is in a race of his own up front. While there was some entertaining racing, especially towards the end, there no question surrounding who would win. It’s almost like Red Bull dreamt up the brake vibration issue so that people would talk about him for a moment! I think generally people are just sick of this dominance. Nobody, not even his team mate, are even close to Seb. People watch sport for the drama and these last few years have felt like watching the same movie over and over again.

  118. Chris says:

    So it would appear that 45% (at the point of writing) of this articles readership have no class whatsoever.

    What a shame

  119. Rich In Norway says:

    Have to admit I find it frustrating when Vettel is so dominating like he was yesterday, but credit where credit is due he is awesome at the moment. I think it is really disrespectful when fans are booing because he is just doing THE best job possible.

  120. Louis DiMascio says:

    Now that the competition has been won, there are very few things to pique the interest for those of us who like F1 for the hype and haven’t a clue how an engine works (or really care). If on the next race SV leads into the first corner, I will most likely switch off and then switch on again to see how the booing goes. Controversy over a bit of booing is pretty small fry but I am afraid that is only the news item F1 has right now.

    1. Ding wamage says:

      I love this comment :) – searing honesty and insight. The problem is that even the booing is getting old.

  121. Tickety-boo says:

    Horner is either in a state of denial, or smug to the point of being stupid if he doesn’t get why people are so vocal. I don’t go in for the booing; it’s dragging things down to football thuggery level. Don’t applaud if you feel someone is undeserving, or stay quiet. But I think the issue is broader than Multi-21. SV’s subsequent ‘I’d do it again’ did him a lot of harm, not because he said it (he should have said it on the day) but because of his two-faced response, his gloating appearance is not endearing (that finger needs to be amputated) and that gets compounded by the general conduct of the RedBull team/organisation. The damage that they orchestrated (note I say orchestrated, there were others who jumped on the wagon) in the sport around Pirelli (I don’t understand why Pirelli hasn’t told F1 to go pound sand) has shown their true lack of sportsmanship as a team in the most recent of many such events, and that culture comes from the top – fans of ‘racing’ as a whole, I believe, just don’t like that. So with that, SV as the ‘face’ of the team and all that it stands for is public enemy #1 and rightly so. This is, in many respects, because of the contrived nature of the sport today thanks to Bernie and his influence over so much of it. When it rains, the teams decide either wet or inters’ so when it’s dry why can’t they be left to decide which one of two tyre types (only two, not a pre-selected two from four), or both, they want to use to get to the end – no mandatory changes (or changes to composition mid-season), and if they want to add fuel during the race then let it be so – let’s have racing for heavens sake. Then with that we may just see it mixed up a bit more – oh, and distribute the cash more evenly so ALL participating teams can compete more evenly with resources, the disparity between ‘special terms’ Ferrari and the back of the grid is frankly a nonsense. Until the pantomime (where booing is positively encouraged) of F1, as it has become, gets its act together then this ugly side is set to continue, I fear.

    1. Joe B says:

      @ Tickety-boo – Interesting, and relevant take on it. There are constant reminders that F1 is a show, and the appointment of a villain is merely fitting that remit. It’s the illusion of being a sport that keeps so many hooked on F1, so perhaps it’s when the unsporting side is so blatantly revealed that the fan base reacts like a pantomime audience. It’s because it makes everyone who’s invested in the ‘sport’ look like mugs, which is multiplied by mob mentality.

      RBR have created this problem themselves, but for my two pence I’d argue that Vettel’s finally seeing the flip side to his huge helping of luck in 2012 (I think in a universal balance kind of way, which isn’t empirical but has served me well so far). The cause of the booing is complex, and made of many varying factors which I don’t think the TV broadcasts have time (or Bernie’s permission) to examine, so we get simplistic readings of it being due to Malaysia, or just a petulant and jealous crowd. This is why articles like this have to exist, and I really hope we see some of these points of view taken on board by the F1 media.

      As an aside, to all those on the moral high-horse of “I thought better of the JAonF1 readers” regarding the voting results, suck it up, and consider that maybe there’s another side to your point of view. I voted that the booing is undeserved, but I can understand (or would at least like to) why people would think otherwise. Get over yourselves.

      1. Ticketyboo says:

        +1

  122. DMyers says:

    Vettel was booed on the podium in Melbourne at the first race of the year, so it can’t be put down entirely to Malaysia. I suppose there are obvious reasons why the Aussies would do that, but it’s happened across the world now. I think it’s a case of people being utterly fed up of him: most of the fans remember the situation from ten years ago and really don’t want a repeat. Domination is bad for the sport. I almost didn’t watch the race because it was obvious who was going to win; and watching the McLarens and Saubers falling down the order with the Mercedes coming back through to finish fourth and fifth isn’t, ultimately, that entertaining.

    But, of course, a lot of that is down to the tyre situation, with Red Bull wingeing about not being as competitive. Had Pirelli not been in such a catch 22 because of safety concerns, this situation may not have arisen. Coupled with that, it’s up to the other teams to catch Red Bull. But I think it’s kind of obvious that this situation is due to the change in the tyres, which nobody in the media seems all that bothered to talk about.

  123. Mee says:

    Wow, the poll’s almost at 50-50. I can’t believe that, my impression of the jamesallenonf1-readers has gone down immensely!

    1. KARTRACE says:

      Why ? When we boo politicians is there something wrong ? Team and drivers who put their success on the block deserve what they get from public. In return public get ” dz finger” in their face, over and over. That’s where the problem is.

  124. johnpierre says:

    James

    you have his the nail right on the head. this is really due to Red Bull itself. I would agree with CH, the booing is wrong. but Vettel made his bed back in Malaysian when he disobeyed team orders and when he said he would do it again that sealed his fate.

    He is in the best car in the best team and will win an incredible 4th drivers title. but between the finger and what is interpreted as arrogance a lot of fans are turned off.

    the other instances that you mention and Helmet Marko always making derogatory statements about Mark Webber and is it any surprise that fans boo?

  125. Ellen says:

    A lot of people comment on how young Vettel is, but people practice medicine and have PhDs by the age of 26. I’m 29, so if it turns out that 26 is the new 21 I won’t complain! But I don’t consider a 26 year old should still need to have allowances made for them because of their youth.

    I don’t agree with the booing – it’s unnecessarily nasty. But I think RBR had a major part to play in creating the public perception of Vettel.

    When Multi 21 happened, Christian Horner openly said that he didn’t ask Vettel to give the place back because he knew Vettel would have ignored him, which made Horner sound ineffectual and Vettel sound like an inconsiderate and uncontrollable bully (whether true or not).

    Also, apologising initially and taking it back a couple of weeks later looked worse, I think, than just refusing to apologise. Refusing to apologise would have been harsh but at least you could respect him for having the courage of his convictions. As it was, the apology looked in retrospect like a toadying attempt to curry favour. I’m not a fan at all, but I’d like him far more if he hadn’t apologised than I do now!

  126. Dags says:

    “When you have driven your heart out and got that reaction up there, to me it is not fair. To me, it is not sporting.”….

    Horner wouldn’t know what the definition of ‘sporting’ was, even it were micro stamped through his eye lids so that that’s all he could see when his eyes were closed… Red Bull are the least sporting ‘team’ on the grid second only to Ferrari, but at least Ferrari don’t pose to be fair, they have a number 1 and a number 2 by definition. However 2014 may change that… Boooooooooooo Vettel.

  127. Gul says:

    boohoo to Christian Horner!

  128. Panayiotis says:

    All I have to say is: Booooooooooo

  129. Ant says:

    I think people are missing the point.

    Firstly, I am a big F1 fan, but those bemoaning the booing are being naive.

    I would never boo an engineer or team boss (these positions can be achived through hard work alone).

    Drivers on the other hand, although talented get an opportunity that are a few billion other people out there who dont get. Because of that, they can be thought of more as showmen and yes they should be respected, but need to remeber that their business is entertainment for the fans. If that means being the pantomime villain so be it.

    I think Vettle handled it well embracing the booing, its the pundits and principles making something of it.

    A fine example of how to handle it is former Aussie cricket captain Ricky Ponting (one of the greatest ever in a sport which most people get to try – therefore his talents are far more noteworthy than any current F1 driver). He was regulalry booed by english fans, but ultimately was missed when retired, the booing, which he embraced, was itself a mark of respect and fear of this great sportsman.

  130. Sam says:

    This is a hard topic to discuss impartially. I am going throw some thoughts I’ve had out there and see what gets yelled at.

    I will disclose a couple of things from the get go:

    I am Australian

    I support Webber & Kimi (I always want to see Mark do well, and I’m generally pretty happy when Kimi wins or pulls out a great drive – like Singapore last night)

    Growing up I supported Villenueve, Frentzen and later Heidfeld during his Sauber/Williams/BMW years.

    I think it is a pretty common Australian thing to support the underdog. Inspite of never really supporting a regular championship contender I have loved watching F1, even during the Schumacher years. I still can’t really explain it to those who have no interest in the sport but there is something electric about the sport. For me there was something special about Frentzen’s 3 career victories and his 1999 season vividly – It really was the year of the underdog, and for me I’m not really sure there has been a season like it since.

    There has been so much talk of “Multi 21” Malaysia, The Silverstone’s, Turkey, and THE FINGER – I don’t think these are at the core of this negativity towards Vettel in F1. Sure I was gutted watching the incident unfold in Malaysia, I celebrated and screamed at the TV when Webber won Silverstone in 2010 and laughed when Webber coined his little catchphrase on the victory lap that followed. The finger is obviously a bit obnoxious, but I’m really convinced that these are just minor elements to a bigger problems with the sport.

    Vettel is going to be a 4-times world champion whether it is in India or Abu Dhabi, it is going to happen – I have no doubts.

    He is super quick over a single lap. Last night he demonstrated that he is super quick over many, many laps. In Abu Dhabi last year, he demonstrated that he can carve his way through a field and gain an unthinkable result from nothing. He has proven that he has fantastic race craft, when he needs it – he can fight cleanly wheel to wheel with the best and come out on top. Why don’t people like this? Why doesn’t this absolute genius driver, who I believe has the real potential to end of his career as, statistically, the best F1 driver to have lived stir so much negativity across the F1 fan base?

    I have read so many posts on this site bemoaning F1’s Pirelli tyres, the DRS and KERS for making the racing in Formula 1 artificial. In many ways, I think that the means by which Vettel (and to some extent Hamilton) came into the sport have had a negative impact.

    Pull under the wings of McLaren and RedBull companies from and early age, both of these guys have been engineered, invested in and developed like an engineered component of the car by these teams to provide super-fast, consistent, robotic command to their vehicles. Once they emerged from the ‘test-tube’ they were effectively ordained and place on the throne by their creators – “Go forth and dominate!” And they both have!

    All credit to McLaren and RedBull for investing in this idea. Winning is the key to money in this sport. Winning is obviously great for your brand as well. So finding a super quick genius child and training them, supporting them in a manner that allows them to do nothing but train themselves to be bullet proof on the track without any distractions such as career worries or finding financial support for their career is enlightened.

    I think if both Lewis and Sebastian were in equal machinery we might be seeing the greatest rivalry in F1 history. Unfortunately McLaren wasn’t able to support Hamilton in the same way Red Bull has Vettel. Consistently dropping the both the reliability-ball and the don’t-make-stupid-errors-during-pit-stops ball throughout 2010, 2011 and 2012; instead of seeing an engrossing Lewis vs Seb duel for the championships we have the Newey engineered RedBull car dominate in the hands of Vettel. (Can we blame McLaren for the booing?)

    Along with the investment in their development the companies assisted these boys with the skills to give off a charismatic and PR-friendly persona for the media and sponsors.

    Maintaining this kind of persona is just not possible for what these companies have trained these guys to be. As many people have said on this page previously, True champions are ruthless. At their core Senna, Prost & Schumacher were blood-thirsty competitors who often did more than they should have to win. Certainly they had elements of the broad F1 fan base who despised them for this.

    There is still something different about the currently situation with the negativity towards Vettel – None of the above champions made any feigned attempts to cover up this nature in the way Red Bull seems to have tried with Seb. Those three generally presented who they were to the media and fans as they were. With the departure of Webber this is a quickly disappearing element in the sport. It is why drivers like Villenueve and Montoya were popular and for me, this is why many people support Kimi – You feel like what you see is what you get – there’s no sugar coating – A spade is a spade.

    Lewis and Sebastian have both have had “PR PR PR” beaten into them by their companies that they only know to say/do what they believe people want to hear/see and struggle to handle unexpected reactions to their scripted answers. When small cracks in their PR persona have appeared we have all been given a bit of an insight into what lurks behind and once seen it is hard to simply plaster over it and pretend that there is nothing nasty behind.

    PR failures like this make it really difficult for fans to trust what they hear or see. This is the fundamental problem with Vettel right now. To relate to someone you kind of need to trust that what they are presenting to you is real. The media fumble following the incident in Malaysia amplified it and RBR really seem to continue to fumble this. I am not sure whether it is recoverable.

    A lot of things have been laid out for them, more so than for most of the drivers on the grid, and when things don’t go their way we see them struggle to understand what is happening. This comes across as them being a little spoilt, or as possessing some kind of perceived entitlement within their respective teams. But I honestly think it is more a fundamental lack of maturity and experience in handling adversity, which the previous generation of racers have really had to endure in establishing their careers with the top teams.

    This is highlighted with the career experiences of their teammates at Red Bull and McLaren. Both are old horses, both have had to fight for everything they have in their career season after season. They are both, good, fast drivers (Clearly they aren’t in the same league as a Vettel or a Hamilton, but they wouldn’t be in those cars if they didn’t have the speed to hold onto the seat). These guys are covered in scars from their years of fighting to the pointy end of F1 through consistent hard work. All of their experience, training and racecraft developed over a decade in the public eye with teams such as Minardi, Williams, Benetton, Honda & Jaguar – So too their failures and disappointments were public, and they have both had to learn how to best manage that.

    Their career paths make sense – they have a similar shape to any career in a different field (You start at the bottom, and work hard to progress through the ranks and with some fortune, you wind up in a great job). I think people are more inclined to relate to drivers like this and perhaps more likely to empathise with them when things don’t go their way or they face adversity.

    When a driver effectively emerges from the ether, with little to no F1 experience and are handed the golden key to a fantastic car, there is obviously going to be resentment that they haven’t earned the right to take those wins and the perception is that those wins are of less value than those of another driver who has done it the ‘hard’ way.

    Seb is a genius driver, and I don’t want people to think I am in any way denying this fact. But I think the circumstances of his entrance into the sport and the manner in which his company, and others, have bought these super drivers into the spotlight will pursue him throughout his career. Perhaps he needs to break away from the nest and establish himself like Schumacher did at Ferrari. Even if he were to move there in 2015/2016 I think it wouldn’t solve the problem. People will still resent him, and claim any success he has there would be the work of Alonso/Raikonnen and the new team of engineers at Ferrari. Unfortunately for Seb I think it is going to be a very lonely career.

    Let my roasting commence!

    1. Greg (Aus) says:

      Good comment Sam, I would agree with pretty much all of it.

      The contrast between they way Vettel and Webber arrived in a drive at a top team is so stark, and that (at least for me) has only been amplified by the public treatment they’ve each received from the team – most notably in 2010 before Vettel was a multiple WDC.

      There is also a difference in the Hamilton and Vettel comparison – Hamilton has actively tried to grow brand Hamilton, and that hasn’t always worked so well for him. I cannot think of any similar instances with Vettel – you pretty much never hear of him outside of his on track performances (at least in the US, maybe it’s different in Europe).

      I think it will probably change for Vettel once he has gotten out from under the wing of Red Bull. A strong showing at another team would reinforce his credentials, a poor showing will almost certainly damage them. it’s a risk but one I’d like to see him take. The Mercedes move doesn’t seem to have done Hamilton any harm.

    2. Ruse says:

      + 1.

      I think this is a very good appraisal.

    3. St George says:

      I recall an interview with Ron Dennis years ago where he described Kimi as a boy in a mans body.. Same may now apply to Vettel..

      1. James Allen says:

        Not at all – the opposite in fact!

        Some impetuosity a couple of years back but if you know him, he’s old beyond his years

        Remarkable for a 26 year old

      2. St George says:

        Thanks James, good to have the benefit of your inside knowledge, given I am observing from the comfort of my sofa as are most who comment on your site.

        So, he’s got a bad rep from his history, and isn’t getting the real message out there, for a whole host of reasons – is his PR entirely down to the team (which is essentially a marketing firm) or does the driver and his management team have a say in the message that gets out there? There was a load of hoo-hah about how Hamilton’s new management team were encouraging him to behave (assuming I read that correctly).

        And, the other problem; being a die-hard fan of the cars from Maranello, it’s very easy to create a hate figure simply because he is winning.

        I know know how the rest must have felt when Schumacher was cleaning up in the early 2000′s. And what was one of his problems? Shaking off a couple of poor decisions, either by the team or himself.. He never really lost that in some people’s eyes and Vettel may never either.

  131. andy says:

    Hes protected in the team had an exceptional car last 4 years.

  132. Dave says:

    I always thought the reason why some fans are booing Sebastian Vettell is because they are bored of seeing him win all the time.

    I am bored of seeing him win all the time but I didn’t boo. I did however cheer when Fernando stopped to give Mark a ride. I thought it was the best part of the race and I look forward to the die cast model appearing sometime soon…

  133. David Hope says:

    Surely the booing is a few factors, not just Malaysia.

    There is the finger and his general attitude when he wins or gets pole that comes across as very arrogant.

    There is the fact the team and Marko see him as the golden boy and ignore his teammate.

    The fact he has always driven a Newey car and never had a competitive teammate so we are robbed of a good battle in the top car and never really know how good Vettel is.

    And I’m sure plenty of other factors for other people

  134. Darren says:

    I’m very surprised at the results of this vote, I thought readers of this site were better than that. Now I don’t like Vettel, never have and never will, his dominance is risking the sport that has IMO only recently recovered from the years of boredom at Schumacher’s prime.

    Regardless, the booing of a driver on the podium is completely wrong and the height of unsporting behaviour. I will agree he deserved it in Malaysia as did Schumacher in Austria but in every other case this year he has won fair and square, at the weekend he was not even in a different league, he was on a different planet to the rest of them, had it not been for the safety car he would have won by well over a minute. I thought F1 fans were above the kind of mindless thuggery we expect at football matches and be respectful of the winner no matter who it is.

    On another note his ability to press right from the first corner and build up a couple of seconds lead by the end of the first lap I think is the key to his success. No one can look near him over that first couple of laps, so he ends up miles out of DRS range and just scampers into the distance. Would it be possible James to get some analysis on just how or why he is so quick over the first few laps?

    1. Brukay says:

      Darren You should have been watching F1 practice two with James Allen and Sir Jackie Stewart as Jackie was explaining that he has never seen a young driver like Vettel so calm and collected in the first five laps as Vettel, Jackie made the point looking back on all his victorys that the first five laps is a very important time to get into a rythym and keep smooth and tidy so as you don’t ruin your tyres etc and was one of the main reasons that he won so many races in his time in F1. That coming from Sir Jackie was a very good lesson for Grojean to take on board to perfect his undoubted talent

      1. James Allen says:

        SJYS was on brilliant form in FP2 commentary, this was a fascinating observation he made

  135. Nanco says:

    Hello James,

    I am a long time reader of this site (from the very beginning I guess) but never really posted anything because I always had a feeling that my view was more or less in line with your opinion.

    This time however I feel inclined to add something after reading comments from Christian Horner that he doesn’t know where all the hate is coming from. I also have the feeling that a lot of journalists are saying that the booing towards Vettel is from a strong core of Ferrari supporters.

    I don’t really have that impression. Vettel really has some serious image problems.

    When he was the first couple of years in F1, I regarded him as a nice guy and a big talent. A guy who would fight for position, no matter what (I still recall his passing of Hamilton in the Brazilian GP of 2008. Don’t ask me why that is so relevant but I saw it as a guy who does his duty regardless of anything else at stake).

    The problem with his image started in 2010. That was the year that Webber and Vettel were still more or less closely matched and what came out of that season, was that it was clear that Red Bull favoured Vettel. There were comments in the media of journalists reporting there were lesser celebrations when Webber won, there was the incident in Turkey which was only seen differently by Red Bull Team management. The biggest problem in all of this was a certain Helmut Marko. Even to this day, I really do not understand it why nobody within Red Bull gives this man some media training or restrictions in case the former doesn’t work. I do not recall that there was a high ranking Ferrari member speaking so much in favour of one driver and so badly about the other during the Ferrari hayday of the early millennium.

    The year after, in 2011, the general consensus was that Red Bull had decided to really favour Vettel. The frustrated comments of Mark Webber during the British Grand Prix come to mind. The difference between the two drivers became suddenly very noticable and (rightly or wrongly) this was perceived by the general public as unfair treatment.

    The biggest difference between the Schumacher days and now, was that everybody had the feeling it was deserved with Schumacher because he was much quicker. With Vettel, we had all seen the little difference between Webber and Vettel in 2010 and then the clear landslide in 2011.

    That is the big root of the whole image problem in my view. Vettel has of course also not helped his cause by acting immature in a lot of cases, contradicting the general impression you have of him when you are speaking to him in normal circumstances. A lot of fans dislike his finger gesturing, his remarks to the team after a win partly out of frustration but also because it sometimes is too blatantly beating himself on the chest. There is a dignified way of loosing (Massa in 2008 is often brought up) but there is also a dignified way of winning. Something that Schumacher pulled of and that Vettel doesn’t. I will probably get some stick for this but people don’t like it when you are thanking the team and in the meantime point your finger as number one. I am absolutely sure Vettel started the whole thing as something innocent (you know, just being on the first place) but it has started its own life as a sign of arrogance, thereby negating his thanks to the team as merely hollow words. Some sort of double mask. The events of multi 21 (the apologizing and then retracting these apologies) only put oil on the fire.

    This way Vettel made it worse for himself and created another image problem. Not only was he helped by his team but now he also had two faces in people’s opinion. What people like about Raikkonen and Alonso is that they always persist in their attitude. We all know Alonso says some things to the press that are not really what he thinks but he persists in it. Raikkonen doesn’t hide his indifference although we all know it is partly played. That persistence is what people like and appreciate. With Vettel you sometimes have no idea where you stand. From all accounts of people who have spoken to him, he comes over as a genuine nice guy but he always manages to do something that gives you another impression.

    Anyway, to summarize it: a lot of people are mentioning the multi 21 episode because it provided them finally with the clear proof that there was something not consistent with Vettel. It doesn’t mean the problem wasn’t already there before. It was just the trigger. Hence why the booing only took off afterwards.

    I like your site very much so keep on doing what you do and I will keep reading.

    1. Ticketyboo says:

      +1 Valid points and good observations.

  136. Olivier says:

    Brazil 2012
    + Helmut’s comments in the winter break
    = Multi 21

    Multi 21
    + Public sorry by Vettel
    + I don’t feel sorry by Vettel
    + I will do it again because I am greedy/a Champion.
    = boo

    In short. The Brazil issue didn’t get addressed properly. Marko and Vettel felt hurt. Hence the outburst of Marko in Winter and Vettel’s multi 21 in Malaysia.

    Apart from that. Vettel is an outstanding athlete. He makes it look too easy. The boo-boys should get over it. Vettel doesn’t deserve the boo-ing.

    1. k says:

      That would make sense…except there was no issue in Brazil.

      Mark held his position into the first corner. What was he supposed to do, hit the stoppers and cause an accident just so precious Vettel could go through?

      Vettel then nerfed Senna (for which he should have been punished) and wrecked his own race.

      When coming back through the field, Mark practically threw himself off the track out of Vettel’s way.

      I don’t understand why butthurt Vettel fans keep whining about Brazil.

      1. JCA says:

        June 6th issue of Autosport magazine, page 19 says the team was furious with Webber for ‘chopping’ Vettel at the start. This is not just Vettel fans, its the team who believes this. He also put unnecessary pressure on Vettel at the restart.

  137. Richard C says:

    Vettel should take a leaf out of Australian motorsport legend Jim Richards(a kiwi himself) . No mincing words about how he felt!

    They were awarded a win after a red flag under dubious (subjective)circumstances. The podium starts at 2:10 in the clip but the punch-line comes at 3:10. Aussie motorsport folklore.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jOqmjSk0mI

  138. Carina says:

    You can only ask for humanity if you act upon it yourself. It’s as simple as that.
    Egoist may live a successful life, but it can get lonely up there as well.

  139. MISTER says:

    “This website has consistently argued that this image problem is of the team’s own creation – the way certain people within the team have managed situations like those listed, has contributed to a negative impression of Vettel”

    I voted YES, but James, you hit the nail in the head with the above quote.

    I didn’t mind Vettel until Turkey, where he was definitely wrong (in my view), but the fact that the team took his side, it was the thing that changed my view on Seb. Then, as you said, other incidents where Vettel was favoured and the team denied that, were just over the top.

    I believe the booing is in large what happened in Malaysia and the fact that he didn’t get punished by the team. How can you expect people to like him when he thinks he’s above the team and then, the team doesn’t punish him.

    Having said that, the booing is wrong, but it’s Vettel’s and Redbull’s own making, so coming now and saying he is wonderful and bla bla, is silly when you created this situation. You can’t have them all.

  140. Scott D says:

    Disappointing poll results for this website, I have to say. Anyone who boos or supports booing should be ashamed of themselves, and I am certainly no Vettel fan. Would they do it to his face – of course not, they would be holding their programmes out asking for his autograph. Pathetic.

  141. fox says:

    There is so called The Wisdom of The Crowd.
    You may get it fundamentally and see that the F1 is a totally social thing, and the feedback loop is done via the crowd. The crowd is always right. The crowd might be stupid if well manipulated, but in F1 there is not much so manipulation and you have what you deserve. Boo’s for Vettel should continue:)

  142. Pierre says:

    I completely agree Red Bull and Vettel are the ones who created this situation.
    But he should not be booed and let’s be honest, Horner is right, the performance Vettel delivered yesterday is astonishing: umbelievable how easily he opened such a gap twice, particularly after the safety car. Incredible.

    1. Danilo Schoeneberg says:

      It does however neatly expose the utter hypocrisy of the booers at Singapore. They boo the winner, allegedly because of ignoring a team order, yet they celebrate the second place driver, who was involved in two major sporting fraud scandals (spygate, crash-gate), [mod]
      Selective amnesia anyone?

  143. Alanis Morrisette says:

    I cannot comprehend the result of the poll being almost 50/50 on this. Vettel is a superb driver who (in combo with the car) is currently just enjoying being on top form. What is he meant to do? Deliberately mess up qualifying so that he starts at the back?

    OK, he made a big mistake in Malaysia, but let’s not forget if Mark did want to take the position back he could have if he’d been fast enough to do so.

    1. Kateafan says:

      Webber had turned down his engine, as per the team agreement, he wasn’t in a position to re take the place.

  144. PG says:

    I think the Multi21 incident is just an excuse for the booing. I think largely this is fan frustration at the perceived ‘luck’ or preferential treatment of Vettel, depending on how you look at it.

    - He has driven the overall best car which at times has been completely unbeatable over the last 4 years and has never been uncompetitive for periods unlike the other major teams

    - He doesnt suffer the breakdowns which Webber has suffered regularly over the period they have been together

    - Horner, Newey and of course Marko have all appeared to favour Vettel

  145. Peter Freeman says:

    James

    Vettel is now SO dominant that the question of why should be examined. I see 3 possible reasons:

    1. Webber is just bad. No where near his team mate because he has lost his powers behind the wheel and therefore despite having the same car his performance is not even a shadow of Vettel’s.

    2. Vettel has a different (faster) car than Webber.

    3. Vettel is in a different league to the other drivers on the grid, the marked difference to his team mate is evidence of this.

    What is the truth here? So many simply say ‘his car is the best’ but them how come Webber is not at least second?

    1. fox says:

      #1 and #2 obviously.
      Vettel mastered Newey’s unintuitive blown technique ideally. But it will end sooner or later.

    2. BigHaydo says:

      Well obviously Vettel and Webber’s cars are different. Mark is 6ft tall and some 15kg heavier than his teammate. This would have an impact with his car’s centre of gravity, something that Vettel can optimise with ballast. The introduction of KERS is something else that has typically disadvantaged the taller drivers, and this again reduces the available ballast.

      Also, if you were to pinpoint the key point of difference between the RBR and its imediate rivals, it is the aerodynamic package. This is how they can run low v-max and still produce similar lap times. Vettel usually maximises this package by qualifying and running in clean air. Contrast for Webber: even if he qualifies well, he and the team have not resolved start issues over the past 3yrs (generally unacceptable with any other team, so one can wonder how much of a priority this is), and then he would likely be behind other cars, compromising the aerodynamics and magnifying the cars straight line speed deficiency.

      Then you also have daft instructions coming from the team, such as the radio comms to car 2 in Singapore. Maintain a 2sec gap to Alonso. Great! Just the trick to fall away from the lead at the same rate as a slower Ferrari…

  146. sw280 says:

    I was at Spa in 2012, Vettel was booed all weekend there (quali, driver parade and podium), though maybe not with the ferocity that is common now. I don’t think that the Malaysia incident is entirely to blame, I think it is the way Vettel appears.

    Out of the car he seems a nice chap, in the car he seems a complete tool. He is not alone in this, Alonso is the same and other drivers too from time to time. I have no idea how Alonso is so loved as he is just as ruthless as Vettel. My point is you can’t separate the two entities: the guy in the car and the guy out the car. Roger Federer is a complete gent on and off the court. I don’t think F1 has had a complete gent as the best driver in the sport since Jackie Stewart.

    Vettel and Alonso now do not fit the bill, nor does Schumacher before them. There have been gentlemen in the sport in these years: Jenson and Barrichello spring to mind. Before Schumacher the best drivers in the sport were Senna and Prost and Piquet and Lauda. Before Lauda it was Fittipaldi and Stewart who where the best drivers in the sport: two decent chaps in and out the car. I accept it is difficult to be a top level sportsman without being ruthless but its not impossible.

  147. why can’t red bull engineer two cars that have the exact same performence and ,more importantly, reliability?

    1. SteveS says:

      Webber’s car has been rather more reliable than Vettels during their time together at Red Bull. So far Webber has had four DNF’s, and Vettel has had eight.

  148. David Smith says:

    I’ll cheer or boo which ever driver I want, I’ll laugh or dispair when a driver crashes out or breaks down, I’ll show my emotion by cheering or shouting – For I am a true F1 fan its in my DNA and nobody is going to dictate otherwise!

  149. Kateafan says:

    I’m not impressed with the booing but I understand where it comes from.
    I don’t believe it’s about Vettel being German as some have stated. Or that he has been and is so dominant… when did Valentino Rossi or Sebastien Loeb ever get booed?
    As for Multi-21, Vettel himself called for Multi-12 before now (Suzuka 2012 or 2011 being one occasion) he also demanded Webber be moved out of the way. While we have never heard Webber demand any such thing from the team, either at Silverstone 2011 or Brazil 2012.
    Personally what I disliked about Malaysia this year were the lies Vettel told; first disobeying the team orders agreement then to his team mate, his team and the paying public when he said he was sorry. (Two weeks later he came back and said he wasn’t sorry and would do it again).
    You have to earn respect (which his talent has done)but you also have to acting in a sporting manner to be treated so.

  150. Bobster says:

    It’s not nice, but it’s not wrong. I don’t agree with the hecklers, but people surely have the right to jeer somebody they don’t like or who they think has done something underhand (which is what many people think of Vettel). If it goes no further than jeering then I think that’s acceptable though I would disagree with their assessment.

  151. Liam M says:

    Webber made it clear in Monza that he thinks it is time to stop. Should that not be the end of it?

    Yes, Webber has used the dislike of Seb to his advantage, but even he is prepared to move on. The naysayers should too.

    I have little time for Seb as a sportsman, but I acknowledge his talent and achievements. Like the Schu, whether you like him or not, you must acknowledge the supreme display of driving that we are witnessing.

    Booing him reflects more on the “boo-ers” than on Seb.

    (This comment from a one-eyed, Australian Webber supporter.)

    1. Richard C says:

      + 1 Give the guy some credit where it’s due. (I am also a staunch Webber supporter)

  152. Doug says:

    To those who say he is being booed because he is winning too much…..Have you considered that he might/will get booed even if he comes third, third, i.e. as long as he is on the podium, he will be a target. Then you will have to confront the fact that this boy is deeply disliked.

  153. Scott says:

    The question isn’t really whether the booing is “right or wrong”. It’s neither. People are entitled to voice their views as they see fit. Were the question “is the booing of Sebastian Vettel stupid?” then the answer would be yes.

    1. SteveS says:

      “People are entitled to voice their views as they see fit.”

      No, they are not entitled to any such thing. But that’s neither here nor there, since what they are doing is NOT “voicing their opinion”, but heckling, trying to shout down somebody and stop him from speaking and the rest of us from hearing him. They’re not “voicing their opinion”, they’re acting like an ugly mob.

      1. BigHaydo says:

        Errm, isn’t that what free speech is about? Just because you disagree with what is being said, doesn’t mean that person doesn’t have a right to say it…

      2. JCA says:

        Let me start by saying it has not gone far enough here, but free speech, as with all rights, has limits. You are not free to abuse someone verbally to your hearts content. Most countries don’t allow hate speech. Your rights are limited to the extent that they do not infringe on someone elses rights. Not being harassed is also a right.

  154. Vik says:

    Everyone has the right to express their opinion and, in sport, this is often done as a group. If attendees of an F1 weekend don’t like Vettel, accept it. Don’t tell your audience they’re wrong or disrespectful. I understand Horner may not like it, that it may be embarrassing for the podium presenters, but it’s the collective voice of the people attending and it should be respected. F1 has done enough to its audience recently, made us jump through so many hoops, but telling us how to behave, or how to react is now a step too far. Vettel gets booed? Get over it. He’s not the first and he won’t be the last. I, for one, like it that way. At its finest, sport is thrilling drama and every great drama has a villain. Problem is, we don’t appear to have a hero capable of doing battle and defeating him.

    1. SteveS says:

      They’re not “expressing their opinion”, they’re trying to stop Vettel from expressing his.

  155. AB says:

    This reminds me of Red Bull’s predicament
    http://youtu.be/ToKcmnrE5oY

  156. Richard says:

    He created the problems himself, so he can pay the price himself.

  157. Richard says:

    These boo’s are nothing, compared to what we see in the footballsport.

  158. Sarvar says:

    One can’t believe that over 1300 chose ‘No’, were you among that jealous crowd yesterday!?))

  159. Benalf says:

    I think people has the right to express the way they want if they are not breaking any rules or regulations. Horner may lambast the booers, and that will probably triggr more boos so the best thing to do is to shut up and keep up winning races. Beyond Malaysia and team radio transmissions, interviews, MW affair, etc. what people most fear is the fact that we are witnessing a replay of the Schumi-Ferrari dominance of the sport that for so many years left the fans watching F1 to see who will clinch 2nd place. You can blame Seb for being so repetitive on his phrases, body language, length of his answers, or how long the austrian national anthem is, etc. and that certainly brings bad mood swings.
    It is disappointing to see how RBR has develop a car that can control a race with such ease while the rest of the field look like racing normal F1 cars. Incredible what Newey and RBR has done, very close to perfection in racing terms but us humans like underdogs, uncertainty, competition. May be people is frustrated -not only Ferrari fans- to see plain clear that the season is over and for the first time in several years the last few races of the season will mean nothing for the DWC. So, if I paid big bucks to watch a GP and it happen I feel frustrated to see “the finger” I think I can not go to jail for booing Seb….

  160. FernanDino says:

    Vettel, like so many other pilots before him has now what we call an image problem. It has happened, is happening and will happen again. History repeats itself.

    A guy who says :”I am sorry”, then corrects himself by saying: “I will do it again” deserves rotten eggs on his face.

    Sebastian, I am sorry to throw eggs at your face. But I will do it again.

  161. Harvey says:

    Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, too many comments to read them all, but Vettel continues to add fuel to his dtractors. He spoke on team radio after the race of the total team effort necessary to win the race, never mentioned the unfortunate dnf of his team-mate that cost The Team precious constructors points. He’s a wonderful driver but it’s all for one and none for all, it’s only all for Vettel. Horner, instead of criticizing fans, should look in the mirror and ask himself what actions he took to support the Team after Vettel stole the victory in Malaysia. Apparently, and expectedly, nothing.

    1. Siobhan says:

      Did you not see in the room before the podium? He asked about what happened to Mark. For all we know he did ask but it wasn’t broadcasted on TV.

  162. MG says:

    I don’t personally agree with the booing but I do understand some of it. Even though I haven’t been on a pit lane yet I have 2 friends who are there every time as they work for a TV station and most of the time I get my info straight from them. It seems that he developed some odd boss attitude as of “don’t talk, don’t look at me”.Even when he walks the track it seems he treats fellow team opponents with disrespect (being loudly called multiple times then suddenly turning “surprised” around as he “just” heard his name… at marshall’s who do cheer him, he doesn’t even looks but waves at them in a way of I heard you but didn’t need you “kind of” gesture. There is also a small talk about his number one finger gesture being aimed at some people just to piss them off it seems (I can’t get deeper into it), but all in all it seems he too does some things on purpose.
    Now of course he can do whatever he likes and indeed there are some other drivers out there who are acting the same, but personally I think that it is all related to it’s personality. He is a multi WC, but at least his personal influence is much lower than Senna’ or MS for example and ppl noticed it and now they are trying to mentally hit him by making abuse of it. As some here said, there are a lot of fans who are just not envying him winning, but in the end it is his job to put ppl in their places.

    1. Siobhan says:

      I find this hard to believe. I now live in Germany and just watch the free view RTL and Sebastian is always friendly to the reporters and commentators on this channel. Often when he is just getting out of the car on the pitlane and he will always give an interview. Have seen many shots of him going to and from the garage and he is smiling and waving to a lot of people from marshal to other team member to other teams. He is always chatting to one of the other drivers from rival teams and seems to get on well with a lot of reports from different channels.

  163. UAN says:

    The issue with the Boos isn’t when Vettel is booed (and cheered) when he comes out on the podium. It’s the issue when he’s being interviewed by Brundle, and it drowns out the question and answer (amazingly on the live feed where the microphones would minimize the crowd noise, you hear the boos very loudly). That’s not a time to cheer or boo.

    The boos at that time make it uncomfortable for the other drivers (including Webber in Monza, who wasn’t happy at all with it), and for the other spectators at the event who don’t feel the same way. In that sense, it is very selfish on the part of the booers and shows lack of sportsmanship and basic consideration to other people.

    So it’s not just an issue of booing Vettel. It’s the “my opinion is more important than anyone elses”. The irony of course is that is the excuse the booers use to justify booing Vettel – that he feels entitled. Et tu?

  164. Blaize says:

    I think the booing is a direct result of Fans showing displeasure at the fact that for the second time in just over a decade we are seeing a team and driver dominate the sport and bring F1 to predictable boredom.

    Vettel is a class driver but he should leave Red Bull and prove himself elsewhere in the next 2-3 years. Honestly put Hamilton/Alonso/Kimi etc into that Red Bull and I’m sure they would have produced similar results.

    If it looks too easy (which if we are honest apart from 2010 that’s exactly what it has looked like) then its much harder to appreciate it.

    He has no challenge, because the team’s can’t match Red Bull. Webber is a good driver which is why he gets close but he is not a Hamilton/Alonso/Kimi and that’s why Vettel pretty much dominates him race in race out.

    There’s no tension to a race, all F1 fans around the world let out sigh’s of disappointment when Rosberg ran wide at turn 1. Because we all knew that Vettel would drive off into the sunset from there on and that all manner of an excitable race for victory had gone.

    So yeah this is why people boo, not because Vettel is a terrible person or a bad driver. It’s because he and Red Bull are boring.

    He will have all the records before he is done, but very few will call him the best because the other drivers are handicapped by not being in a Red Bull. A car of which 75% of its dominance has nothing to do with Vettel’s talent.

    F1 is boring when its like this, for all its flair and glamour if the race result is decided before anyone shows up than I can’t help thinking what’s the point to this Circus if all it is inside the ring is a parade.

  165. Daniel MA says:

    Who cares about the booing? Vettel doesn’t mind and isn’t affected, why should we?

    The media is exaggerating all this as usual and the more they talk about it the more those fans will be doing it.

  166. MJ says:

    Booing may be considered unsporting, but the behaviour of Seb and RB is even more unsporting.

    There are the many incidents of team orders being ignored, disparaging comments on other drivers, un-apologetic attitude for dismeanors, moaning about the tyres till they’re changed (despite their own style of use causing the dangers), dubious conformation to the regulations, and if caught not being suitably punished etc., etc..

    So my advice would be to look in the mirror before complaining about unsporting behaviour from some watchers. If it’s win at all costs (including being sporting), then don’t moan when you’re booed. Pot-kettle and all that.

  167. HeyPete says:

    [mod]
    Don’t lose the passion to the clinicalness and technicality of the sport.

    In the end, it’s only a game, and there will be hero’s and villians… and right now the crowd has deemed Vettel the villian.

  168. Zombie says:

    I cannot believe nearly 45% of JAonF1 posters think it is “ok to boo” Seb Vettel ! It is such a shame that well educated F1 fans cannot understand the simplest fact that a great driver and a great car will come together at times, and dominate for extended period of time. Hence you have quite a few cases of drivers winning 2 or 3 titles within a short period of time. And Seb’s case a possible 4th title. When did it ever become acceptible to boo a winner ?

    I have a question for James and other fellow posters here : If it is the boredom of the same winner all the time that makes these so called “fans” boo, then pray tell us why none of the Motogp fans booed when Rossi obliterated the opposition on his way to 7 titles ? Why didn’t motorcycle fans boo Doohan when he won 5 titles on a trot ? or why didn’t we hear rally fans boo when Seb Loeb won 9 titles ?

    “F1 fans” – if they can be called as such are truly one of a kind who love to complain no matter what ! Just enjoy the sport without being such hardened partisans.

    1. KARTRACE says:

      Because Rossi is a rider, not just a spoilt brat kinda behavior, that’s why. I do not support booing but there are people out there who feel they have to boo the guy.

      1. Zombie says:

        Spoilt brat ? You talk as if you share your room with Seb Vettel ! These guys are mega bucks earning professional sportsmen. If people think they can justify booing at a sports competition just because they cannot stand to see the same guy win all the time, then i have an advise for them – stop watching !

      2. KARTRACE says:

        Well, who I am sharing room with ain’t subject here. The way that he is acting in public doesn’t require room to be shared in order to realize. People who are booing feel like booing and that is what they are doing for their own money. The issue that you raised here was how Rossi who has obliterated opposition, over and over, wasn’t booed. And that was my point. The guys is the Champion in every way and “two wheel” people worship him. It takes a little bit more then just winning to get public respect, takes character.

      3. Zombie says:

        Kartrace, unfortunately your immaturity has overcome the substance of your post. You called Vettel a spoilt brat. Born to parents with little means, Vettel has worked his skin off being where he is.Pray list his “public offfences” that you have mentioned in your post. And no, his celebratory finger nor ‘multi-21′ incident count. If he has the best car then so did most champions in the history of F1. Nobody won any titles in a Minardi or a Marussia. If people think it it ok to boo just because they paid for the ticket, then it must be ok to kick them out too. If i heckle at a show,i’ll be shown the door in no time.

        Enjoy the sport and the guy who is on top of it now. Tomorrow it’ll be someone else. Anything less will only go to prove that F1 fans are more like tabloid readers than real motorsports fans.

    2. MJ says:

      I think you answered your own question there. The other sportsmen you mentioned are precisely that, sportsmen. That is why they are resected and adored.

      Booing is unsporting, but so is the behaviour of some racers under the guise of it’s OK to win at all costs.

      I may not choose to boo, or like it, but equally people should be free to express their likes or dislikes, so long as it does not turn to downright abuse.

  169. Ian Abrahams says:

    To be honest, can’t see how Malaysia was anything like the Schumacher/Barrichello fiasco. One featured a supposed racing driver pulling over and letting someone else win, the other a racing driver overtaking a competitor…

    1. BigHaydo says:

      …who had turned his engine down on team instructions and was not expecting to be challenged

      1. Ian Abrahams says:

        Yes, I know, but who also wasn’t fast enough in any case…

      2. BigHaydo says:

        Define ‘fast enough’? Webber was driving to a delta that had been specified by the team due to some serious concerns about tyre degradation that had shown them up badly in the previous race in Australia. Raikkonen won that race by showing similar pace and making a whole pitstop less, so it was a serious concern for the team.

        Webber made the right call by delaying his switch from inters to dries and thus gained track position over Seb, something which is highly intuitive and can rarely be called accurately from the pitwall. Webber even let Vettel have the priority call on the second stop to get ahead of the Mercs, without which there would have been a fair amount of daylight between them.

        In any event, Mark can’t have been so slow that Seb couldn’t pass and had to resort to complaining over the radio. Shortly afterwards Mark turned up the wick and Vettel couldn’t respond.

        At least with Schumacher/Barrichello it wasn’t one of the drivers making the call: it was all concocted on the pitwall. I can’t wait for Rubens’ book to detail what actually happened that day!

  170. BooBird says:

    It is unsporting to boo….at a your 3rd graders soccer match. These guys are grown men getting paid millions to do something they love. I will cheer or boo as I desire it’s part of the show.

  171. roberto marquez says:

    I think most people see him as a very arrogant person,which he is. I am sure the numbers on your poll should be much higher on the YES , but some people are shy that James will find out.If his dominance continues the number of people watching formula 1 will decrease, like somebody said before up to the beggining of the year I saw and recorded the practice sessions , the qualis and of course the race. Rihgt now I only watch & record the race , by the end of the year I might be sleeping my entire weekends.

    1. SteveS says:

      I have no idea where this “arrogance” accusation comes from. He seems rather less arrogant than Hamilton or Alonso, for instance. Given his accomplishments it would be understandable if he WAS arrogant, but in fact he seems remarkably humble. I have never once seen him brag about himself. The only time he says “I” is when he’s saying “I could have done better”. After a win it’s always “We had great pace today”.

      1. KARTRACE says:

        He is a inconsistent actor and that seems to be the problem. He acts after the race as “we” but during the race he acts as “I” when ignoring team “Multy 21″ instruction and many other similar blunders. And that finger, yes, that finger is so annoying.

  172. Sufyaan Patel says:

    1454 sour grapes then ;)

  173. Kiran says:

    That’s spot on and awesome… Thanks James!!

    43% thinks he needs to be booed is it?

    Facts [deal with it for your own peace of mind]:
    Vettel is a superb driver, and is going to be one of the best.
    He speaks his mind, not some “I want to ride on your guilt” statements.

    I have seen Federer being ridiculed for being surprised by his own [few] shots.
    People always want some fake humility and modesty. [so, if a player says i feel bad for my opponent, he is taking you for a ride] Humility and modesty is overrated.

    Since many think they are doing that on purpose to Webber, let me tell you this; may be Webber will do himself good, if he stops messing up his starts.

    1. KARTRACE says:

      That false acting as you call it in my world is called Courtesy !!. Courtesy and civic behavior cost nothing and are the heritage of this human civilization. It is also related to the bringing up of the person. But as I mentioned earlier it is not only Seb to be blamed for such a behavior, but RBR as the whole. That’s when the booing comes into place. No one boos to the driver because he is stamping 2 sec a lap faster times then the opposition.

      1. Kiran says:

        A small exercise:

        List down some examples of civic behaviour which makes human race civilized and draw parallel to where Vettel failed.

        Courtesy: is it something like : “Can i overtake him please? I know he works hard and is a nice guy, but unfortunately i am a bit more talented so can we please ask him to move”?

        Will that make him popular?

        Achievers are pushy, focused. As long as they are not harmful to the people around, there should not be any problem.

        People who keep finding excuses to Vettel’s achievements are just jealous!

      2. KARTRACE says:

        There is a simple way of asking what is the team strategy on a given day. Pls. stop performing in order to defend un defendable behavior. The way that he was speaking and millions hear that definitely didn’t make him very popular.

  174. AJ says:

    Wow there are a lot of comments here and people listing events of the past to make their point either way.

    Ultimately it’s about how people perceive him, and what is very clear is that there there are many people who have a low opinion of they guy.

    Unsporting and arrogant are the words that come to my mind, and seem to be a fair summary of the comments here. It’s a shame because he is undoubtably also a brilliant driver now but he and the team have brought them on the self so stop complaining and deal with it.

    As above there are lots of examples to argue the case either way but for me the radio call to the team from earlier this year (and anything out of helmet markos mouth) sums up his arrogant attitude best

    ‘Mark his too slow, get him out of the way’
    (Or something to that effect)
    Disgusting entitlement mentality.

  175. zx6dude says:

    The boos suck. Vettel is not making is not helping with his arrogant selfish attitude. Can’t stand his finger, multi 21 and how he reacts like a spoilt brat when the race is not going his way. He was never a favourite driver of mine, his attitude and Red Bulls’ towards Webber haven’t helped, multi 21 was the final nail in the coffin for me: he is an incredibly fast driver – it is definitely not just the car as people keep saying – but I will never think of him as a worthy champion. I am amazed at how much I can dislike a really talented person I have never met, I never thought I would have this attitude. However the boos should stop, they are not sporting.

  176. Rafael says:

    I disagree that those 7 points he “stole” from Webber in Malaysia are beginning to look unnecessary, given he’s steamrolled the competition thus far: you never know what’s going to happen in Formula 1. Who knows, maybe in the remaining rounds, Seb will have a string of retirements allowing his rivals to capitalise; and if he still manages to clinch the championship if that happened – by 7 points or less – then it will show that he’s made the right call to “screw” Webber in Malaysia. As Schumacher himself put it: at the end of the day, it’s all about winning the championship (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zP-7osU-E8)

    I think, in the future, people will eventually come to their senses and appreciate/admire Seb for his desire to win. It’s true that he’s not been the most likeable personality and he has come across as a petulant brat more often than not. But some of that can be attributed to how the media chooses to portray him, and then, of course, there’s his major failure of a “spokesperson”: Dr. Helmut Marko.

  177. regarding the boos, how else can a collective of fans express their displeasure? the multi 21 event was the ultimate deciding factor for me, despite all the other incidents where vettel was given ‘hugs’ all around.

    for horner to now turn around and say that he doesn’t know why vettel is getting booed shows that he is so far out of touch, it is not funny.

    maybe the boos were for both of them as they were both on the dais! horner, despite his title, was weak and ineffective when it came to making a decision at sepang.he desrves to get the same treatment.

    the faux contrition of vettel after that race was a confection aimed at ameliorating the wave of disgust which would envelop both he and the team.

    however, if he was genuine, and i don’t believe that for one minute, then why the 360 some weeks later when he decided that webber should not win despite an agreement confirmed by horner,webber and himself prior to the race?

    horner went on to say that ‘vettel was motivated to win’. i suppose webber wasn’t?

    these events seem to be catching up with them and all horner et al can do is wonder why people dislike them. there are other reasons as well but ‘multi 21′, IMO, is a prime reason.

  178. EA says:

    If Red Bull want to stop the boos, they should have Adrian Newey instead of Vet standing on the #1 podium.

    They should try it once. I bet NO ONE would boo.

    1. EA says:

      …So whoever says the boos are out of frustration, unsportmanship etc… is being oblivious to the fact people are entitled to voice their opinion, whatever it may be.

      So like i said… put Newey in the podium. I’m sure all the “unsporting, frustrated and blind selfish fans” will actually cheer for him.

      The thing is… Red Bull probably has several PR people reading this and i’m sure they will try to “address” this matter. Who knows, maybe Vettel will get a poor start next race… or something like his “problem with the engine” from Brazil 2011.

    2. JCA says:

      I didn’t realise fans truly believe Vettel is sitting in the car and daydreaming while Newey drives the car from the pitwall. Do you believe Mansell, Hill, Villeneuve and Hakkinien deserved to stand on the top step? (We’ll give Prost a pass for winning with Mclaren).

      I do get annoyed when people say things like Newey won another WDC, while crediting Fernando, Kimi and Lewis for theirs. I also get annoyed by fans who are blind to the faults of those three, as if Vettel is the only driver on the grid who has been done anything wrong.

      1. JCA says:

        Sorry, that last bit should read ‘as if Vettel is the only driver on the grid whomhas ever done anything wrong. ‘

      2. EA says:

        All those GREAT drivers you mentioned have 5 WDCs COMBINED.

        Vettel is about to have 4. Straight. Lapping 2s a lap quicker than the next guy, pole to checkered like it’s nobody’s bussiness…. He can set pole and go sit at the garage. Strats from the pits, hits a few guys, makes a few mistakes and still finish on the podium…….

        Sorry buddy, but your logic is… non-existing. Please try again.

      3. JCA says:

        You are using an outlier as the norm, not very logical at all, or are you saying that he has had a 2 second a lap gap his entire time at Red Bull? The vast majority of experts rate Vettel as a GREAT driver.

        Experts agree that Mansell really had a car that was over a second a lap faster than the field all year. Hill was a good driver, but was slower than Schumi, and probably his teammate. Even Williams engineers think Villeneuve should have won the championship well before the last race. Hakkinen was really fast, but broke down mentally in 2000.

        They may be greats (not all of them imo), but to suggest Vettel is average in comparison is imo ridiculous.

      4. EA says:

        Where did i write Vettel is an average driver??

        Again… sense, not made. I’m out.

      5. JCA says:

        Just to add, the reason Mansell, Prost, Hill and Villeneuve all got only one WDC each at Williams, is that Frank Williams viewed drivers as mere employees, who should say please and thank you. Most other teams view them as valued commodities or prized assets.

        For example, imo, there was no significant performance difference between Mansell and Prost in 1993, most teams would’ve kept Mansell, so he could easily have been a double champion if it was another team. Same goes for Hill in ’96 and ’97 (Mansell being too old by then).

        RBR clearly view Seb with high regard, not just as the proverbial nut behind the wheel, so didn’t dump him for Lewis, Kimi or Fernando, as Williams might have done. They apparently don’t think there would be a significant performance difference.

      6. JCA says:

        Ok, I just read your reply. I apologise if this is not your meaning, but I read it as follows:

        Your use of the word GREAT, followed by saying how easy Vettel has it, plus your previous assertion that Newey should be at the top of the podium, made me think you are implying they are better than Seb.

        If someone is merely good, or even very good, then they are considered average in comparison to someone who is GREAT. I consider Coulthard as a good driver and Schumacher as a great driver, so DC is average compered to Scumi. I thought that is what you ment.

        If you say someone is average, you imply that he is average compared to the field, say someone like Bruno Senna (just in my opinion). That is NOT what I thought you ment. Again, I apologize if I misconstrued your meaning.

      7. EA says:

        Ok i see what you mean, and you are right with that. Red Bull are doing what Ferrari always has: glorify their star driver.

        Yes, they are still subject to the team, but Ferrari always lure the best drivers by promising them glory. Which is something that Mclaren and Williams, like you said, dont do.

        The problem for Vettel is that the fact he’s got the team so much behind him, and on top of that a dominating car… he’s been able to get outstanding numbers. So people don’t appreciate that… this is the issue.

        Vettel is solid; just definitely not as good as the numbers suggest. And that’s why guys like Hakkinen, Mansell, (even Senna!) etc. never got such numbers, and guys like Schumacher and Vettel have.

        If Schumacher had gotten just 1 or 2 WDC at Ferrari, at the expense of Ferrari having allowed Barrichelo to at least go for it, i’m sure he would have never been booed, and most of all, he would probably have gotten some of the admiration and worship the Senna’s and Mansell have had.

        Vettel is heading in the same direction. Highly favoured by his team, crushing car, demolishing numbers……. by this time, he should be regarded and admired more than Hakkinen, Mansell, Hill… combined. But he won’t. Because people see behind the kind of fight it is. The problem is… Vettel and Schumacher probably think they deserve people’s admiration to the extent of their numbers they’ve worked so hard to get, without mindig anything else. well… people dont work that way.

        So… people have a right to voice their dissaproval. Hence the boos. Like i said, it’s not about being sore losers… if RB stood Newey up on that podium, people would cheer te guy that beat everyone. Newey has done it before, had his previous cars not been so unreliable, he’d have even more dominating accolades. To the eyes of the people… He is the man. Even if his cars beats their favourite team.

      8. EA says:

        No problem :)

        I don’t think Vettel deserves the booing per se, i’m just saying people boo him and they have their reasons, and they are valid reasons, because they are valid to the people who boo and they have the right to express teir dislike.

        The people rarely express their dislike to something that looks totally fair. But when Vettel comes in and smashes everyone’s numbers, the people simply don’t buy it. Indon’t buy it. Doesn’t mean i’d personally boo him; after all he is a great driver. But i definitely would not give him the credit his numbers show, for many reasons.

  179. ben says:

    Vettle was unsporting in Malaysia so if people want to boo then Vettle should take it on his chin. In time if Vettle shows that he is a better person i am sure the boos will stop.

    1. Tyler says:

      Best response here. Amen.

  180. Tut-tutting by people about booing being “unsporting” is kind of ironic, given that Vettel is being booed because people believe that he and his team have behaved in an unsporting fashion.
    Christian Horner can moan all he likes about the situation, but one of the root causes is staring at him every time he looks at himself in a mirror.
    I am also not in the slightest bit impressed by the likes of Niki Lauda whining about the booing. One thing that I have come to realize over the years is that a lot of people in leadership roles inside F1 live in a bubble, disconnected from normal life. They totally fail to understand that behaviour that seems to them to be perfectly acceptable and competitive is not seen that way by a lot of people outside of F1. They always act surprised and hurt when other people do not see it the same way that they see it. In reality, their hurt protestations merely show up their lack of awareness of The Other World Outside Of F1.

  181. F1ONA says:

    Vettel has lost fan’s respect
    Horner and Marko have lost fan’s respect
    Red Bulls racing philosophy has lost fans respect.
    The booing confirms this. Fans have a right to express themselves.
    43% of ‘educated’ JA readers cannot be wrong.
    Want to stop the booing? Go racing fairly (too late, you employed Ricciardo)
    Don’t favour Vettel
    Stop the ludicrous finger waving. Respect the fans and they may respect you back.

  182. Luke Smith says:

    I’m sure deep down that Vettel and Horner would not care one bit about the booing, but what do they expect?

    Vettel’s actions in Malaysia were brazen and demonstrated that he thinks he is bigger than the team. Horner’s handling of the matter (or lack of it) only demonstrated that he condones the behavior, despite stating the contrary.

    Perhaps if they conducted themselves in a way champions are expected to, they might not get the boos. But as I said before, they wouldn’t care.

  183. i now read that marko believes that the fans who are booing are webber fans. wow, how’s that for intelligent deduction.

    i would still like to know who advised vettel to vouschafe his ‘mea culpa’ and state that he ‘decided’ that webber would not be allowed to win in sepang. i would also like to know just how complicit horner really was.

    i recently read somewhere that it had been floated that both vettel and horner were trying to box webber in and the plan backfired. the strategy never allowed for webber to actually be faster than vettel therefore webber would not be in any position to challenge. webber, was in front, on merit, and that vettel waited until webber had slowed somewhat to conserve fuel and tyres then took advantage of webbers position to put the pass on knowing that horner would not do anything to stop him apart from some puerile/pathetic comments preserved for the record.

    all of this still rankles with me and i do believe that horner/vettel deserve all the rancour being dished out. as i said earlier,. i would not boo, but i uphold the rights of anyone who chooses to do so.

    1. Helmut Marko’s comments betray his simplistic bubble thinking. Has it not occurred to him that the people booing Sebastian Vettel are not so much fans of Mark Webber as fans of sporting behaviour? Just because they are hostile to Vettel does not mean that they support Mark Webber. This reads like an attempt by Marko to rationalize away the issue.

  184. Sanjog says:

    The booing is just an expression of frustration / disappointment of fans and of course its directed at Vettel as he’s the cause of their angst.

    Personally, I don’t advocate ‘booing’ and have voted against it, but I can understand that others have different perspectives and in fact the discussion on this forum is facilitating an exchange of opinions. What’s fascinating is the poll results reflect a 50-50 split.:)

  185. Olivier says:

    Am I the only one thinking “his finger” is ace? I don’t think it is arrogant at all. It is a bit like Usain Bolt doing his pointing to the sky thing. I love it. He shouldn’t change it.

    Here’s a picture of Vettel somehow involved in a wedding proposal. He doesn’t look arrogant to me: https://plus.google.com/109451797729562526512/posts/QoiRdEXeqoy

    On a side note. Vettel’s crazy frog imitation is pushing things a bit …

    1. Random 79 says:

      I think Vettel’s whooping at the top of voice every time he wins tends to grate a bit also.

      His finger is a trademark of his and I agree with you: It’s just what he does and he should keep it, and besides, I don’t think it’s actually actively offending anyone like the whooping or crazy frog sounds.

      Apparently he is fairly grounded and easy to get along with off the track, but that’s not the side the fans usually get to see.

  186. Booing Vettel is TOTALLY OK. Fans are right! Formula Vettel is boring and Singapora race was the most boringest of them all!
    Just give Vettel some arbitrary bans/penalties just like every other driver who’s been dominant against Ferrari (well, mostly shcuhmachrer), and make Formula Eccelstone more intaresting again!
    Tracks that make boring races (like singerpori) and AWESOMEST CAR OF THEM ALL winning all the time = it’s no wonder poople are booing Wettel.
    He Duly Deserves it! Donner Wettel!

    1. Random 79 says:

      Do they actually pronounce his name Wettel in Germany?

      1. Siobhan says:

        No. Still Vettel!

      2. JCA says:

        I had a laugh during a recent Top Gear episode when Clarkson talked about some or other cars suspension being fettled with, then later in the episode he was taking about Sebastian Vet-TEL again. Its pronounced Fettle.

  187. A.N. Other says:

    The “elephant in the room” is that F1 has become much less interesting to watch during this period of Vettel and Red Bull dominance, whether you are a Vettel fan or not.

    Smart promoters and ad men know what I said in the paragraph above is true and you can believe there have been discussions about this at high levels, because disinterested fans ultimately mean a loss of advertising revenue and we are talking about real money here, not just a few hundred thousand dollars/pounds/Euros.

    I’ve nearly quit watching F1 as a result of the similarity of
    this Vettel era to the Schumacher era before. I am repulsed by the predictability of the outcome of races now, and frankly some of Vettel’s unsportsmanlike behavior also offends me. However I do not approve of booing in any sporting event. The method I use to express my personal disapproval is that I simply spend my time doing something other than watching a race.

    I think I can speak for nearly all F1 fans when I say I would much prefer a tight race for the title, perhaps among not just two different drivers but three or four. Some real suspense about which driver will gain the points lead or win a race and some real suspense about who might ultimately win the WDC is what I am interested in experiencing. I would like to see the option for small but meaningful rule changes when such crushing dominance renders the racing as predictable as it has been during the last three years. This could happen via multiple tire manufacturers, restrictions on aero updates, weight penalties, refueling, or other means, but if something doesn’t happen soon F1 has lost me as a fan, and I have
    been a fan since the days of the six-wheel Tyrells so I am no latecomer to F1.

  188. ‘i decided that webber didn’t deserve to win’ despite a pre race mutual agreement between webber, horner and vettel….and that is not arrogant?

  189. MaxCO2 says:

    Any person that would spend time rooting against someone rather than rooting FOR someone is a v shallow individual.

  190. BenM says:

    It’s not up to the F1 circus to tell fans how to behave. The way they behave is a reflection of the behaviour they see from the drivers themselves. There is a portion of the fan base who don’t like what they see in Vettel. It’s a bit rich for Vettel and Horner to say it’s unsporting. Sportmanship comes in many forms. Vettel has chosen his version and the public have every right to express their opinion on that approach.

    In other words. You make your bed, you lie in it.

    1. well said, if you sleep with dogs you get fleas.

    2. As a general rule, a sporting event provider does not get to tell its customers how they should behave, as long as they are not overtly disrupting the event. Fans at other types of sporting events boo competitors all the time. F1 has no divine right to be any different. The demands that fans stop booing merely sound like the prattlings of people suffering from thin-skinned pomposity.

      1. gadfly says:

        Booing at sporting events usually occurs in-play, not during an official awards ceremony.

        The Vettel/RBR-hating fans have every opportunity to boo as much as they like during the race – and no doubt they do! But the podium ceremony has historically been a time to ‘respect’ the winner and runners-up. It involves national anthems and trophies presented by dignitaries representing the GP hosts – something that would be could be considered a great honour.

        Disliking boos during the ceremony and speeches is not “thin-skinned pomposity.” Nor is it blind Vettel-worship…far from it. It is about respecting the traditions of the sport.

        There is also something cowardly and insidious in deliberately drowning out Vettel when he speaks at these occasions, not to mention how this affects the interviewer… My heart went out to John Surtees at Monza. He seemed bemused and distressed at the booing. Equally my respect for Vettel jumped ten-fold on that occasion, as he handled the situation with dignity and maturity.

        In fact Vettel’s handling of the boos being targeted at him during these ceremonies has, so far, been impeccable throughout; a far cry from the ‘spoilt brat’ behaviour his critics commonly accuse him of.

  191. Spyros says:

    Aren’t we all missing the point?

    Let’s see:

    Red Bull sells drinks and therefore joined F1 (and many, many other sporting disciplines) to promote their business. Obviously, doing well on track must reflect well on their product (even if there is really no logical reason why it would)…

    So nevermind what the on-track spectators do: how does the current “F1-is-as-boring-as-watching-paint-dry” situation reflect to their overall sales, at the moment?

    1. GWD says:

      I think this is a key point. Most other interests RB have poured money into seemed to have had positive responses/coverage and generated continuing sales. Thus continuing investments. Integrity gets measured in there somewhere as well, but with a visible connection with the performance and ‘extremeness’. RB Business/Marketing 101. There’s at bare minimum an undercurrent of negativity from their F1 investment now, regardless of how much is considered actual or percieved. That translates to impact on sale and future investments. But it’s also something that needn’t be persistent. 2014 could be a PR turnaround year, and us fans will have either short or unreliable memories of the situations that went on before and almost reluctanly forgive them if we see functional correction. It’s just that so far as SV has supposedly matured and improved, his ‘protectionism’ hasn’t retracted and allowed him to be his own man, and the strengths and more importantly weaknesses of all the team are being somewhat aired unnecessarily. I’m not sure that sits as being a coherent on-message advertisement.

      1. Spyros says:

        Sometimes I forget why I hated marketing at University… thank you for reminding me!

        Anyway, all the focus on Vettel’s unpopularity in the races takes us away from the teams’ Resource Disagreement, so really it’s not such a bad thing for RBR, in the end.

      2. Adrian Newey Jnr says:

        I agree. I have often thought of how their corporate spin over the past ~5 years has resulted in an image totally at odds with their wider PR strategy of emphasising the underdog. Gen Y see straight through “spin” and Red Bull are at risk of alienating their core market and threatening the massive investment they have made into F1. There are plenty of brands such as Monster and Coke’s Burn that are happy to steal their customer base once it works out Red Bull is now just another large corporate pretender.

        At the heart of this is Vettel’s actions. The carefully cultivated PR image of him has been painfully stripped back over the past 18 months. I assume the appointment of Daniel is aimed at halting this image slide. I suspect in a few years we’ll see marketing case studies of the rise and fall of Red Bull.

      3. JCA says:

        So the pantomime extends to the point where evil Vettel is now so damaging Red Bulls image in F1 that it could jeopardize the whole companys image. Btw, what has he done over the past 18 months that is so bad other than Multi21? The ‘crash kid’ stuff is three years old now, as is the front wing incident and no serious person really believes they are sabotaging Webber. Or is it just the celebrations? If he was damaging their image so much, why have they extended his contact this year instead of going after Kimi or Fernando and cutting Seb loose?

  192. Jane_Kay says:

    most of you say that booing is the effect of RBR and SV dominance, because they destroy the sport, etc. Ok. then, let’s boo Ferrari and Merc and McLaren and Lotus for having worse cars, so the drivers cannot be competitive enough to match RBR. Why not boo Merc for poor strategies for Lewis? Why not boo Lewis for not being competitive enough? Why not boo Alonso for being a poor qualifier? Why not boo Ferrari for not having a competitive car?
    Moreover, booing is unsporting. It’s a pity to see so many JA community members voting in favour of booing. I rarely comment here, but I read all articles James publishes and most comments and I always thought this community is the best.
    As for the boo-bus, I’m happy that VET seems not to care about it. I guess he is showing his finger to the boo gang… the middle one.

    1. sorry jane-kay, but who determined that booing was unsporting? if spectators wish to show their appreciation for whatever then they clap/whistle/cheer. if they want to show their displeasure what can they do? just cop it sweet and remain silent? what did that ever do?

      sometimes, just sometimes, people see through the chimera of the vettel ‘nice guy’ promotion. he, and horner, proved conclusively at sepang that they are deceitful/dishonest and totally out of touch.

      i say keep the booing going. maybe they, vettel/horner/marko will finally accept that their actions were dishonourable and apologise, to webber and the F1 supporters who sustain the F1 food chain.

      1. Jane_Kay says:

        For me this constant booing is unsporting. I understand the booing after Malaysia and maybe in Monza (although last year Lewis was not booed for his win). I belive silence could sent the message as well. Booing is for 5-year olds. I guess it has been somehow decided that Vettel would be the “blame everything on him” person, as it is so easy. Whatever he does, it never seems to be good or appreaciated. How can you claim he is not a nice guy? Do you know him personally? I believe that when a racer gets into a car his mind is set only on racing and winning and not being nice, he doesn’t care if he is polite and uses proper language.
        And finally, I thinks that even is RBR apologised as you suggest, to Webber and absolutely everybody, you’ll still be saying that it was not honest, etc.

      2. JCA says:

        You’ll notice there has been no reports of Vettel being heckled at a autograph signing, or other fan event, no verbal confrontations in the paddock, or on the street. In other words, no one has made their opinion known to him personally, you know, looking him in the eye like an adult, taking responsibility for it. Even if most can’t afford to attend such events, none of their brave brethren have represented them.

        Only when they are surrounded buy a couple of thousand of their friends and from a couple of hundred meters away, do these brave men and woman express their negative opinion of him. They are also quite brave in front of their computer screens and in their living rooms.

        If you want to impress me, go to a sighing event and hand him the signed card back and say you don’t want it, as you don’t respect him, in a respectful manner please.

  193. James says:

    Just come back from watching Rush. I know its a film and sensationalised but you cant help get the feeling that racing drivers back then were more honorable. Villeneuve has mentioned this in an interview.

    I think Vettels win at all cost attitude, the way the team has handled him, giving the world the perception of favoritism. Turkey, Silverstone etc, this has meant Vettel has not got the respect from the Fans. The feel he has been given what he has achieved, that he hasnt earned it, through blood, sweat and tears. That im sure is incorrect but that is the percetion.

    Ask any kid on the street, if you could be any racing driver who would it be? Bet you they wouldnt say Vettel. I even think in Germany they would choose Schumacher over Vettel!

    1. Spyros says:

      Interesting parallel…

      I wonder if we would have seen booing in the early 00′s, if podium interviews were the norm back then.

      At the time, many complained that Ferrari was winning because of the amount of money they kept pumping in the sport, having their own test track next to the factory, etc. Now we needn’t worry about any of that, what with no testing and [sarcasm]the incredibly effective RRA in place[/sarcasm]…

      The problem when comparing this era to the 70s, in addition to the danger that is long gone, is that the drivers simply aren’t that relevant any more. Raw talent still counts, because without any testing, new drivers need to impress instantly, but beyond that, drivers are now seen as little more than systems’ managers. Nobody simply wrestles a car into corners now, and wheelspin in the exits is useful only to tell us that the tyres are almost gone.

      Even overtaking manoeuvres are explained away as an effect of tyre condition, KERS, DRS and what have you. Irvine recently made the point that while races in the late 90s and early 00s featured little in the way of overtaking, when a pass DID happen, it was instantly memorable. Hakkinen’s pass on Schumacher after the climb through Eau Rouge was breathtaking then (even to this unapologetic Schu fan), but it so happens that we have a DRS zone in the same spot at Spa now, so this year we saw so many overtakes there that if you were to show Hakkinen’s pass to a newer F1 fan, he will definitely be underwhelmed.

      And that’s just 10 years before today… so going all the way back to Hunt and Lauda, trying to make comparisons is simply pointless. It shouldn’t be, but here we are. JA has often argued about teams and team bosses thinking very short term. I don’t think this observation has ever been more true than now.

    2. JCA says:

      Ironically, most reports on this say that Seb usually stays with the team at the track and works with them at race weekends, many times leaving with the mechanics when curfew starts. Some mock him as too earnest for going to the Pirelli factory when they got the contract at the end of 2010, as he was the only one. He does almost no personal endorsements, afaik, only Infiniti. He spends his time getting ready for racing, both personally and with the team. So he works as hard as any f1 driver does, harder than most.

      It is one thing to suggest that he isn’t talented enough to be winning like this (I would strongly disagree), but quite another to say he doesn’t deserve it because of lack of work, as in just walks into a rocket ship, or hasn’t put in the hard yards.

  194. james, i know that there has been volumes written on the events in sepang but i do have a couple of queries and it seems to be an appropriate time to air them owing to the ‘booing’ episodes.

    you quote horner as saying that in regards to sepang, ‘that were circumstances involved in that’. just what were those circumstances? the media haven’t followed up on that otherwise we would have read it. if he means the ‘brazil’ beat up then he is being deceitful. correct me if i am wrong but according to everything i have read and discussed, the ‘multi 21′ agreement was made between horner/webber and vettel, pre race. how can they sit down and formulate a deal knowing that if webber comes out in front at the final pitstop it is his race then proceed to dishonour it?

    i know that you are most likely fed up to the teeth with this issue but it will not just go away.just look at the response your post has received! the booing will continue i should think. i certainly hope so. already horner is on the defensive and the media should be hounding him for answers instead of blithley urinating in his pocket to maintain relations.

  195. Fada says:

    Saw this comment on PF1, Thought i might put it up here.
    ” If you study Vettels onboard camera and compare it to Alonsos you can see that the Redbull car has much less wheelspin then the ferraris, and also others cars, I suggest that the Redbull must have some kind of aid. It looks too stable to be true. This situation makes me think of the -94 season when Benetton was dominating and Senna suspected they had traction control. “Traction control as a specific component is banned but its function is now duplicated by all, with different degrees of success, via engine maps that manipulate torque curves and use partial firing of cylinders to achieve the a similar result. Mapping is one of the black arts of modern racing and one essentially impossible to police. Even with the insane tech of today’s F1 the old maxims still apply: ” if you ‘ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying” and ” it’s only cheating if you get caught”.” From what I see on television it doesn’t look right. Redbull’s time advantage is to big to be natural”
    (All credit to Vladimir Carrasco , 2013)

    1. JCA says:

      The problem with the traction control theory, is that any such system has to go through the ECU, a control part, so a secret traction control is impossible. The engine mapping thing was completely legal until Germany last year, after which it was limited to the existing maps, so there would still be some effect. The Red Bull has more traction because it is more aerodynamically stable, with more downforce.

  196. Gabor says:

    44% of visitors on this site thinking booing is OK. So sad.
    My experience: I’ve been to the Hungarian GP 5 times over the last 6 years, and most of the Ferrari fans in the grandstands for HU locals have displayed the most pathetic behaviour: cheering for non-Ferrari drivers’ mechanical issues, booing,cursing drivers etc etc. Overall a disgusting mob, spoiling the experience.
    I would prefer if all the fans would support their favorite driver/team in a positive fashion without insulting the rest of the field and the other fans.

  197. aveli says:

    i think vettel has had a lot of help from his friend ecclestone and it’s backfiring.
    a great french scientist called le chatelier said any change in a system at equilibrium results in a shift of the equilibrium in the direction which minimises the change.
    the booing is nature’s way of opposing this artificial creation of a superstar.
    it is very hard to fool nature.

  198. gadfly says:

    WOW, took an age to read through these comments! Vettel is an incredibly polarising figure, that’s for sure…

    My main concern about the booing is where does it lead? What do the boo-ers (is that even a word?) hope to achieve? Why are they booing and how can their concerns be addressed? (And indeed SHOULD they be addressed?)

    The easy answer as to WHY they are booing, of course, is that they are expressing their ‘moral outrage’ at Vettel and consider him an unworthy champion and representative of F1 (much as crowds at Big Brother evictions, for example, enjoy voicing their moral distaste for certain characters who have failed to meet their notion of appropriate behaviour/moral substance). Condemnation of Vettel’s image, mannerisms and perceived arrogance are an extension of this category.

    Second, there is an element of irritation at the current state of F1, in particular RBR/Vettel’s dominance, which clearly, in addition, many believe to be undeserved.

    Numerous posters have cited widely varying examples in support of booing, which largely fall into both categories.

    Clearly these podium interviews will continue to offer ‘fans’ an opportunity to voice their displeasure – but again, to what end? And HOW will it end? Because ultimately the image of F1 – forget Vettel for a moment – is at stake here. (Strong as that may sound!)

    It’s possible, of course, that the booing will simply fade away once this season is over and incidents like Malaysia move into history – more likely too once Webber leaves RBR. And of course 2014 is an unknown: Renault might well produce a dog of an engine and Vettel becomes a backmarker.

    But before that point we will have the podium where Vettel is celebrated as the 2013 WDC, which could prove to be an excrutiating moment for the sport if – as looks likely – Vettel is booed rather than cheered. It’s too late and too weak-looking to call off the podium interviews at this stage in the season…

    Ultimately, do the boo-ers (subliminally, perhaps) hope to punish Vettel for his multiple sins, by pushing him into some kind of ‘breakdown’ which will affect his performance, or even drive him out of the sport for good? – the thinking being that surely there’s only so long he can humanly tolerate the embarrassment of it all? After all, what’s the point of putting in so much sweaty toil into excelling at a job, only to constantly find that your efforts are unappreciated, even reviled? Contrary to the opinions of many, I very much doubt the man is simply a driving automaton, devoid of any emotions. But equally, – and to the disappointment of many, no doubt – he’s unlikely to walk away from the sport he loves.

    Some posters suggest he offers a grovelling, self-flagellating apology to Webber and the fans for Multi 21. (Though no doubt if he was to do such a thing – very unlikely of course – there would be complaints that he was too phoney, or too late, or too pathetic).

    Others suggest he stops celebrating his wins and curbs his ‘aggressive’ body language – even though, his trademark ‘finger’ is something he has done throughout his entire racing career. Respectful, humble silence or beseeching gratitude to Newey and the team for engineering his win seem to be the only permissible forms of celebration some boo boys and those who support them would approve of.

    OR should he simply stop winning? That might silence his critics (odd as that may seem in a competitive sport where winning is everything). He could simply park his car at the back of the grid, ignoring the best efforts of a team devoted to achieving technical excellence, and trundle around the track in a nonchalant manner, hoping that such a lacksadaisical performance will deflect the boo boys. Of course this might happen as a natural consequence of 2014′s rule changes and I strongly suspect it is what the likes of BE and the FIA are hoping for. And if it doesn’t, the FIA could simply cave to the boo boys and ensure that RBR are hampered as much as possible in 2014 and beyond, enforcing a ‘level’ playing-field in a non-spec sport purporting to be the pinnacle of motor-racing excellence.

    Vettel’s own character – off-track – has also been discussed. Ted Kravitz suggested he becomes more open, shows his more likeable side to the fans, although how Vettel can do this is a toughie. Neat little TV packages and PR stunts aren’t going to cut it. In today’s celeb-obsessed world he needs a human ‘story’ for fans/viewers to engage in – he needs melodrama and emotion… He needs to show us more of his private life so that we can connect with him… etc, etc. I suspect Vettel would rather shoot himself in the head than allow any tawdry intrusion into his jealously-guarded private life and feelings… but there you have it; that’s what PR and media consultants will be saying, rest assured. He’s clearly a very private young man who prefers to keep his personal and professional lives separate, and eschews managers and agents, so he is a genuine PR nightmare.

    As for RBR and how they have created this PR-resistant ‘monster’ – perhaps there are some hard questions to be asked internally? Certainly they haven’t managed their drivers particularly well, preferring to let their cars do the talking and let the personal issues slide. Webber has clearly suffered at RBR – although it is debatable how much is RBR or even Vettel’s fault and how much can be attributed to an older driver’s jealousy of the young buck – feeling his best days are over… who knows? None of us are privy to what really goes on and have to rely on the media to guide our pereptions.

    All in all, this is a tricky time for F1. Having such an unpopular champion – for whatever reason – is a PR nightmare in the making. It’s almost impossible – bar the passing of time – to see how this is handled.

  199. an insightful and interesting post there gadfly. a few issues but they can be discarded in the totality of the subject.

    in relation to the future, redbull, if they are so inclined, would be better to issue some clarifying statement vis-a-vis the reality of what actually happened at sepang. yes. it would smack of too little too late but as i believe it was the icing on the cake after the turkey/silverstone/brazil fracas, it may go some way to taking some of the heat out of the issue.

    there are still too many unanswered questions and until they are resolved i fear that the booing will continue unabated. i certainly hope so as it appears that it is the only way that redbull may simply pause a while and reflect on their deceptive practices in regards to the incidents preciously highlighted.sepang would be a good starting point.

    i have requested that james give us some feed back on some of these questions but i seriously doubt that he will owing to the fact that should they,the answers, receive any notoriety then redbull might just declare him ‘non persona gratia’. understandable but frustrating.

  200. Alberto Dietz says:

    It is patently absurd to expect Vettel, a most likeable, cheerful chap and Schumi’s true heir to be “popular” with … hooligans pretending to pass as “fans” but who have absolutely nothing in common with Grand Prix Motor Racing!! A mob is a mob and you Bernie and you Jean should make sure they simply and most unceremoniously get kicked out of every GP they attempt to disrupt with their uncivilised behaviour. Those who take such outrageous nonsense lightly are kindly referred to Hans-Hermann Hoppe for a rude awakening.

    1. James Allen says:

      Just interviewed Murray Walker for BBC Radio 5 Live and he said it makes his “blood boil” to hear people to booing Vettel, whom he brackets with Senna and Schumacher for many reasons. Listen out for the interview on Japanese GP Sunday on 5 Live (also available online)

      1. Hamish says:

        Did it make his blood boil when the tifosi cheered and celebrated Senna’s retirement from the 1989 Italian Grand Prix? That was worse, because to that point Senna had committed no crime..
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j33x_vd7nGA

    2. @ alberto dietz, just a brief question re vettel, how do you respond to someone who by most standards has acted dishonestly and taken an unfair advantage by cheating in order to win a race who then stands on a dais and expects accolades for his latest win?

      are you silent? how do you communicate your outrage? just interested to hear your opinion…..

      1. JCA says:

        I would define cheating as braking rules, however badly people think Vettel behaved, he broke no written rules. I still don’t see how Multi 21 is that much worse than what both Hamilton and Alonso did at Hungary 2007. I also don’t understand why people think Webber is a total Innocent in this relationship, even if he didn’t start it.

      2. cheating, in my dictionary is defined as taking an ‘unfair sporting advantage’. when webber was leading the race in sepang, on merit, vettel chose to dishonour his agreement [multi 21] and passed him whilst webber was on reduced revs.

        if that is not cheating then i don’t know what is. think again.

      3. Alberto Dietz says:

        No rules were broken as JCA has accurately pointed out.

        In addition, your “most” standards = anything goes = moral relativism, like in “a state of permanent adolescence”, i.e. FAD (fad indeed) and his zombies.

      4. so,alberto dietz, correct me if i am wrong but, the INTRA team agreement between webber.vettel and horner was set and agreed upon by all parties and vettel chose to take an ‘unfair sporting advantage’ in order to win. so this is not cheating by your standards?

        i very much doubt whether you actually understand the issue as your last post simply doesn’t make any sense. might i suggest that you read my comments again and then answer, a simple yes or no, whether or not vettels actions fall within the defininition of ‘cheating’ as defined.

      5. JCA says:

        And again, as you don’t want to answer me, why is Multi21 SO MUCH worse than Hungary 2007?

      6. entirely different race, different team and different conditions. stick with the facts of sepang as that is what we are discussing. if you want to debate that other issue then fine by me but i have no interest. it is totally irrelevant.

      7. JCA says:

        My point with Hungary 2007 is, that the things that is being held against Vettel is not that much different from the things that Hamilton and Alonso have done.

        The cucumber incident is broadly similar to ‘monkeys at the back’ and shaking your fist at Petrov in Abu Dhabi 2010. Hamilton broke an intra team agreement (for witch Ron Dennis never punished him, btw), Alonso blocked Hamilton in the pits, plus other alleged shenanigans with Dennis after quali. Why is the finger celebration worse than lying to the stewards? Alonso was also on the radio in Germany 2010, trying to get Massa out of the way.

        My point is that Vettel is being held to a higher moral standard than Hamilton and Alonso by their fans.

      8. sorry, but you are not on the same page. what went before is irrelevant in the the case of sepang.

        i will say it again as obviously you don’t quite comprehend. different teams, different actions,different people, different strategies, in fact they bear no relevance whatsoever. deal with the sepang facts as they occurred.

      9. JCA says:

        Sorry, I accidentally replied to this post just below, starting with ‘Ok, accepting you premise…’

    3. JCA says:

      Ok, accepting your premise for the moment, I don’t see either of us changing our minds.

      Vettel fans and, importantly, RBR believe Mark chopped Seb at Brazil (Autosport magazine June 6th page 19). We also believe Mark broke team orders in the past, and said so himself in his own BBC column, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/14145893 . Vettel detractors deny both beliefs, saying Mark was hard, but fair in Brazil (imo irrelevant, he was still racing his teammate hard in a race that ment nothing to him, while possibly costing his TEAM a WDC). They also say that straight talking Mark Webber lied about Silverstone and only showed that he could overtake (also irrelevant to an extent, imo, as he was ordered to maintain the gap. He clearly did not.)

      Horner also said after Sepang that both drivers ignored Multi 12 and Multi 21 orders ‘in the last three races’, insinuating Mark was asked not to challenge Seb in Brazil, thus another team request he ignored. According to Ted Kravitz, when Vettel went to the factory to apologise, the majority of the team backed him. James replies to a comment in this blog post that in an interview with Adrian Newey, he found that the Brazil incident rankled more than he(James) had realised.

      I believe these incidents justified, in Sebs own mind, braking team orders not to attack Mark in Sepang.

      I do agree that Seb handled it badly afterwards. (I would have loved that when Mark said ‘Multi 21, Seb’ he would have replied ‘Brazil first corner, Mark’.)

      So that’s my take on Sepang. As I said, you don’t seem to be open to these arguments.

      HOWEVER, most justifications of the booing go beyond Sepang, to include things like team favouritism, arrogance, disrespect for competitors and over the top celebrations. Those can imo be roughly equalised to things done by Alonso and Hamilton themselves or by their teams (Sepang also, imo). This is where Vettel is clearly being held to a higher moral standard than the other two by fans of said two (Strangely, in my experience, internet arguments tend to brake down to Lewis and Fernando fans versus Seb and Kimi fans, obviously not in all cases). Incidentally, a completely natural reaction, we all cut our favourites much more slack for wrongdoing.

      1. GWD says:

        I think this is getting closer to the point. I do, however, think you can re-observe the first part of this posts events recount differently. One could argue being too timid in race starts can be just as dangerous as being too agressive, and you only have a fairly small window of observation in that hectic moment. I also think that all is lost when any driver actively decides to only be a number 2/supporting driver. You don’t know the outcome of the race until some way into it, and being too tacit can mean a missed opportunity. Being supportive at latter stages for the team in the right circumstances is a different story. Not sure either Mark or Seb are without sin on this front…

        “I do agree that Seb handled it badly afterwards. (I would have loved that when Mark said ‘Multi 21, Seb’ he would have replied ‘Brazil first corner, Mark’.)” –

        Again, maybe not Brazil, as stated above. Too many ifs and buts to confirm this as corollary. And Silverstone was not completed unsafely (and ultimately not completed, as Mark couldn’t pull off the move safely – but he did pressure Seb into making a mistake to give up the position – it’s just that Seb didn’t make enough of a mistake to give up the position. Many people differ on whether this approach by Mark is acceptible or not). But something along those lines, citing a more similar situation, would have been more genuine and fair. It was almost like Seb was trying to say the things that would make the media report him as not really a bad guy, rather than portray the ruthless nature of any F1 driver, he and Mark included. Seb needs to own his ruthlessness along with his own persona and be to some public degree honest and integral, and not have public perception management. Or his ‘protection’. Again, with our somewhat short, selective memories, this can quite easily be reversed, but it needs to start with a solid period of Seb’s unprotected self, and with it his unmanaged highs and lows, goods and bads.

      2. JCA says:

        Yeah, if there was time for some media coaching before the podium interview and press conference, I would have told him to say something like, ‘While following Mark, I became very angry about past events, particularly when in my view Mark put his own interests in front of those of the team and myself. I then made the mistake of acting on my anger. This was a selfish act that was against the wishes of the team, and for that, I sincerely apologise.’ Only with superior PR speak.

        That would take responsibility for braking team orders, as well as making it clear that he feels justified. I think this is more like what he was trying to say in China (apologising to the team, while saying he would do it again), but he didn’t want to admit that it was basically revenge.

      3. JCA says:

        I agree the events in Brazil is open to interpretation, but the point is that the team, and probably Seb, believe Mark was in the wrong. So his actions would’ve been affected by that assumption.

        Just to add, but how great would it have been if Rocky or Horner had said something like ‘I know you are still angry about Brazil, but…’? The Internet would have broken down.

      4. JCA says:

        Oops, this was ment for Kenneth.

  201. Olivier says:

    I believe Vettel isn’t regarded as genuine by the boo-boys. Hence the outcry?

    Could it be that multi 21 isn’t really the issue but the way he handled it afterwards? Would the boo-boys have forgiven him if he firmly stated that he did not feel sorry for what he did.

    Can we draw parallels with Lewis Hamilton’s lying in 2011(?)? Lewis did show genuine regret afterwards and the boo-boys forgave him? …

    And what about Alonso brutally passing Massa in the pit lane (also 2011?)? Wasn’t that against team orders as well? Yet none of the boo boys took an issue of that.

    Is there a (PR) remedy for back trackers because that seems to be Vettel’s main problem? Best thing is to be yourself.

    1. Hamish says:

      THe problem is that he apologised immediately afterwards and then less than 2 weeks later said that he would do the same again. i.e. hypocrisy

  202. james,did you by any chance question murray as to what he thinks is the catalyst for these actions?

    did you by any chance ask murray what he thought of vettels actions in sepang and did he think that they were dishonest?

    did you ask murray what he thought of having horner up there on the dais with vettel as it was he who refused to sanction vettel for his dishonesty in sepang?

    now, i haven’t heard the interview but i would still like to know if anyone asks these questions or do they simply ignore them gloss over the reality. some good investigative journalism might be the way to go.

    at the end of the day murray walker is simply one person and he has an opinion like everyone else. the fact that the booing upsets him is fine, it doesn’t upset me to the same degree.

    1. gadfly says:

      Sorry to say but it sounds to me like you are being a tad disrespectful here towards James, (probably unintended…) who as the host of this site warrants our respect for allowing us to freely post our opinions on his site… (Arguably, GP hosts who meticulously stage podium ceremonies don’t deserve a chorus of boos marring the occasion, either).

      Obviously we haven’t heard the interview yet, (I look forward to it), but even if the Multi 21 ‘debacle’ isn’t being regurgitated, blow-by-blow, ad nauseum, it’s still worth hearing an opinion on the booing itself from someone like Murray Walker, who has infinitely more historical knowledge and experience of F1 than I suspect you or I have.

      And even if Multi 21 IS a catalyst/excuse for much of the booing this season, what purpose would an in-depth ‘investigation’ of the incident serve, several months after it first happened? What do fans harping on constantly about Multi 21 really want? Verifiable justification of their own sense of moral outrage? A formal enquiry leading to externally imposed punitive measures against RBR/Vettel? (It would never happen…, and nor should it).

      Really, there’s a whole host of morally objectionable stuff going on in this world right now that’s genuinely worth getting het up about… which is why I don’t get the continuing fuss over Multi 21. Ultimately, Multi 21 was a team issue and in no shape or form breached F1 regulations. The matter was handled in-house – though clearly not to the exacting standards of those demanding Vettel was hung, drawn and quartered for such a ‘deadly serious’ moral misdemeanour. There may well have been mitigating internal circumstances that we know nothing about, nor do we automatically ‘deserve’ to know either. F1 is a competitive sport/business, not a public service.

      It’s fine to disagree with Vettel for thinking that Webber didn’t ‘deserve’ that win and snatching it for himself, but ultimately he had his own reasons to justify his actions at the time – whether we agree with him or not. It’s basically a difference in opinion; certainly not a breach of regulations, nor worthy of time-consuming in-depth research.

      In any case, we’ll likely have memoirs and biographies from the key players in years to come which will discuss the affair in some detail, I’ve no doubt.

      There have been multiple morally ‘questionable’ incidents in F1 over the years, and there will be many more to come. “It’s not knitting”, as one of the MotoGP commentators recently said of racing after a particularly risky and rather ‘rude’ (though exciting!) overtake from Marc Marquez!

    2. Alberto Dietz says:

      Kenneth Chapman: Relax, then read again, very slowly, not only my comments, but also those by James, JCA, Olivier and Gadfly.

  203. Alberto Dietz says:

    Spot on, Gadfly.

    1. in order to somewhat simplify what is fastly becoming a bigger issue i did politely ask you,alberto dietz, to answer a simple question which you have completely ignored, choosing rather to side with other like minded posters.

      obviously you have no answer.a simple yes or no was asked for, c’mon…it’s not that hard?

      as for reading what the other posters have said…well i have read them and i have responded from a different perspective but then again that is my prerogative in any debate, is it not? ooops, another question.

  204. for gadfly. a few points here. i was not being disrespectful towards james at all. he is one of the very few F1 journalists that i enjoy. let that be clear. what i was inferring was that certain comments are made but very rarely are they pursued for clarity….’there were consequences etc etc etc’

    the initial thread was concerned with the booing and the ‘why’ of it all. yes, murray walker has been involved in F1 for a long time and his depth of F1 knowledge is not being questioned. what is being questioned is to quote his ‘opinion’ as though it has more meaning than yours or mine. i simply don’t buy that.

    as for the ‘multi 21′ debacle, yes, it does need dragging out and given further prominence. it could well have influenced the WDC and WCC outcome.

    you state that there may have been mitigating circumstances in-house. if so then why weren’t they explained? just recall the event. if some seek to know why the crowds are booing then RBR themselves owe it to the fans to explain their dishourable actions vis-a-vis sepang.

    i do think that the booing results from more than one issue but it is the blatant disregard for webber that rankles most of all. prior to sepang i don’t recall vettel being booed? think about it.

    finally, the difference between marquez and his overtakes is that they are ‘cojones out’ racing. not pouncing on a defencless team mate who has his engine revs turned down and also honouring a pre race strategy commitment. i rest my case.

    1. gadfly says:

      Kenneth: I do realise any disrespect was unintended (I state that in my original post) …

      But to re-iterate, there is no need for RBR or Vettel (or anyone else for that matter) to have to defend or discuss what happened in Sepang. It happened, and the consequences in terms of fan perception of Vettel clearly remain. From their point of view, nothing said or done relating to Sepang will change that now – only aggravate the situation further.

      We already know the reasons Vettel ignored team orders. He was very clear in China. In his opinion, Webber didn’t deserve that win, and the team must have agreed with him ultimately, (not at the time … but once Vettel framed his argument) hence the lack of punishment. Horner pointed out how Webber had himself ignored team orders in the past. This likely impacted RBR’s response to the situation. Plus, they may have been unhappy at some of Webber’s own behaviour and comments to the press – who knows? We may not EVER know the full story behind these actions … and it’s not our divine right to know. It was ultimately an internal matter. It’s your – or any fan’s – prerogative to disagree with Vettel’s opinion on Sepang, but that’s what it amounts to, a difference in opinion. Vettel thought his actions were justified; others don’t.

      Furthermore, it isn’t RBR who are demanding to know why there are boos. Vettel ‘joked’ about the boo bus on the podium in Singapore because the boos coulsn’t be ignored, but in the main, Vettel/RBR are solely responding to journalist questions, not engaging in public soul-searching … it would serve no purpose.

      Finally, I am not comparing Marc Marquez to Vettel in Sepang, I am merely contextualising the moment when the motoGP commentator described motor-racing as ‘not knitting.’

  205. Hamish says:

    People all over the world (not just Jackie Stewart and Niki lauda plus many other former race drivers) were appalled by Vettel’s disobedience, deceit, false apology and retraction of false apology after the 2013 Malaysian Grand Prix (“I would do the same again”). I’m not fussed if the Vettel booing continues up to Malaysia 2014, so that everyone can have their say. Wait until the 2014 season opener…if Vettel happens to finish on the podium there…

    True champions are not back-stabbers. They are humble and show grace. Sebastian Vettel has given us none of that. He’s not a champion in my mind, regardless of what the record books say.

    Adrian Newey, however, is a champion of his craft.

  206. i take your comments on board but i totally disagree with some of your assumptions. if you can recall, what were the original comments? why did vettel, falsely as it turned out, apologise? why would the team engineer a reversal of position? why did horner, weakly, admonish vettel at the time of the pass?

    why was vettel allowed to make a decision, that webber didn’t deserve to win, when horner and he had a pre race agreement with webber? what were the consequences alluded to by horner just a few weeks ago?

    many unanswered questions which i would like to have answers for. to blithely pass it off is too easy. the knock on effect is still being felt months and months later. i might add that by introducing past actions only weakens the argument. if vettel/horner were so incensed over the past actions of webber, as you allude to, then why would they enter into a multi 12/21 arrangement in the first place? in one of my earlier posts i suggested that it was a collusion between horner and vettel as they never expected that webber would outdrive vettel and be leading the race on merit. when that happened vettel took it into his own hands and horner did nothing to stop him.

    i guess that it is all academic now but it certainly doesn’t take away the bitterness at seeing a driver like webber massively dumped on by his team. RBR are still feeling the backlash and i certainly hope that it continues unabated. i am certain that there is a lot that we may never know unless webber et al decide to publish. now that i would like to see.

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