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Posted By: James Allen  |  11 Sep 2013   |  2:06 pm GMT  |  735 comments

Ferrari today confirmed the hotly anticipated news that Kimi Raikkonen has been re-hired for a two year contract starting in 2014.

The all star line up with Fernando Alonso will provide a compelling story for F1 over the next two seasons at a time when F1 risked becoming a little stale with the domination of Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel.

The Finn, 33, is the last driver to win the world championship for Ferrari in 2007 and he will bring this heritage with him when he lines up with Alonso, who replaced him at the Scuderia in 2010. Ironically Raikkonen was paid off the last year of his contract in order to make way for Alonso. At the time the briefings from the team were that Raikkonen was not a “leader” and that Alonso had been hired for this as much as anything.

Four years later and with no world title to show for it, despite two near misses, both sides are frustrated and Ferrari has poured oil on troubled waters with this move.

Now the team has decided to bite on the bullet and clearly the Constructors’ championship is the goal. This has not been possible in the last four years as Felipe Massa has not scored enough points.

The strategy makes sense on that level. However what everyone will be curious to see is what effect Raikkonen’s arrival will have on Alonso. The Spaniard favours a lead driver scenario within a team – with him as the lead driver – and Raikkonen’s arrival will clearly complicate his life.

“For anyone thinking that the choice of Kimi is somehow an anti-Alonso choice, I can put their minds at rest,” said team principal Stefano Domenicali. “At Ferrari, everyone knows the interests of the team come first and only then those of the individual.

“Fernando is a key asset for this team and he will be for a long time. I’m sure he is the first to be happy with a choice made to strengthen the group, because he is too intelligent not to realise that a stronger team can only be an advantage.”

Alonso welcomed his new team mate,

“I’d like to welcome my new travelling companion: together, starting next year, we will have to tackle a very demanding technical and racing challenge,” he said.

He has three and a half years left on his contract, but relations are clearly strained, as illustrated by Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo’s unprecedented public rebuke in July.

Should he decide to leave, Ferrari has a world champion in its team and a strong driver, who has proved he can win, given the machinery and who scores a lot of points.

Intriguingly Raikkonen’s contract runs to the end of 2015, the same period as Sebastian Vettel’s contract at Red Bull. Vettel has always left the door open to the possibility of driving for another team later in his career and his one year extension this year from 2014 to 2015 leaves him that option.

The superstar pairing also heaps pressure on the Ferrari technical department to build a quick car for next year. Rory Byrne has been working on the project with Ferrari’s designers around 100 days a year and James Allison was recruited from Lotus earlier this year. But the pressure is on the engine builders to produce a powerful and efficient power train and until this breaks cover and runs on track with the Mercedes and Renault engined cars we will not know if the Ferrari superteam will be title contenders. The pressure would be incredible should they have a similar level of competitiveness to this years McLaren, for example.

Raikkonen’s move is a huge disappointment for Lotus, which has been working hard to sort out its finances to keep him, but has run out of time. After the departure of Allison, Ferrari has now taken Lotus’ other prize asset. The team has punched well above its financial weight in F1 these last two seasons and Eric Boullier and his team will be knocked back by this second raid.

Nico Hulkenberg is expected to fill Raikkonen’s seat.

Now that the Raikkonen move has been made, the other pieces of the driver moves jigsaw will start to fall into place.


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  1. Finally says:

    at last Ferrari do something good for the team, shame it took so long, great news. Now hopefully they can make a good car next year and have these 2 battle it out. Fan of Ferrari over the drivers, but still expect Alonso to beat Kimi, although Kimi is awesome. Either way, win win.

    1. Stuart Harrison says:

      Hopefully should inject a bit of spice into proceedings for next year. Vettel might be on for his 5th, but RBR won’t manage the double again, I suspect.

      1. Equin0x says:

        You underestimate Ricciardo, he is super fast and will be a good points collector for RBR, it all now depends on the car and engine, if Ferrari and Rory Byrne comes out with a winning package then yes RBR will have work cut out for them, I doubt Ferrari will be as strong as Mercedes and even McLaren.

      2. shortsighted says:

        I hope competition in 2014 will be on level ground so that we can see more clearly the true performance of each driver. Some years we saw the championship was distorted by allowing some bending-the-rules innovations that gave some lucky teams the trophy.

        As for Kimi, congratulations for going back to a well funded top team. I am sure he will make more effort to improve further his speed and will now make good use of simulators which he shunted when in Lotus, for example.

      3. Sebee says:

        Funny, as I actually wonder if Mercedes will be as strong as Ferrari, or RBR.

        I guess this is why we will actually have to run the GPs next year. :-)

      4. Red says:

        Super clean driver too.

      5. dean cassady says:

        With a large formula change, there are opportunities, and Ferrari will have to deliver with the engine.
        Can we say there is a Raikkonen-Allison synergy?What of Allison-Alonso?
        What are the odds that Luca won’t stop there?
        How can Dommenicalli retain his job?
        Could we se a triad reunion at Ferrari of Kimi-Allison-Boullier?
        Of the best of the rest, Allison is clearly emerging as the contender in his area of expertise, this his chance to take down the champ!
        Will Alonso stay?
        I’ve been writing, frequently, that he would never go head-to-head in a fair fight against Kimi; he’s a fighter, though.

        Unfinished business! Back in Red!
        The conquest is at hand.

        I’ve watched, a bit in awe, as more and more legions of Kimi fans emerged.
        Having been convinced, long ago, in Montreal, leading a living legend, in Red, on merit; just the best.

        But there is really something going on.
        There are a lot of people like me, who really think, not only is he the best racer, but he has the most integrity… is that it?

        He has the most cool; what is that?

        I remember Vettel, like gushing school girl on the podium; I mean, he can drive, but…

        There is a new, fairly extreme phenomenon, here.

        Is he the most popular driver?
        I think he is.

        Who was more popular:
        – in this sport?
        – in any sport?!?

    2. maria says:

      keep dreaming Alonso is being matched at times by subdued number 2 Massa. Alonso will be toast by non-number 2 Kimi. He got toasted in 2007 by a boy.

      1. At last says:

        Haha have you seen the championship for the last 4 years? Doh

        Matched points i believe. Dreamer

      2. Rob Newman says:

        Same number of points but position wise Lewis finished higher.

      3. Neil says:

        Alonso and Hamilton both finished on 109 points.

      4. Quade says:

        Lewis was a rookie.

      5. Erik says:

        Yes, a rookie with a silver spoon in his mouth firmly placed there by none other than Ron Dennis, and some 12 years experience with McLaren before he took the grid. Hardly a rookie mate. Take a look at Webber’s or Alonso’s first year in Minardis, now they are rookie seasons…

      6. KRB says:

        Lewis won on countback, by virtue of more 2nd place finishes. The title has been decided by half a point (Lauda over Prost in 1984), so countback on even points is the only way that record is broken.

        Lewis was a rookie! Both Dennis (“Lewis don’t be surprised if you’re 0.5s off [Alonso's] pace”) and Alonso (“ok Ron you can name a rookie to the 2nd seat, but it could cost you the constructors title”) never thought that Lewis would arrive on the scene with the impact that he had.

      7. JTodt says:

        This image is a “must see” – courtesy @f1silverarrow. I think maria might like this one :)


      8. F1 Badger says:

        Yes but not a double world champion!!!!!!

      9. H.Guderian says:

        The “great”Kimi was beaten BY MASSA.

      10. rad_g says:

        Massa was a different driver back then.

      11. ben s says:

        With respect, pre and post 2009 Massa are vastly different drivers. Sadly.

      12. NickH says:

        Always this rubbish that Massa ‘outperformed’ Kimi in 2008..

        Ferrari developed the car towards Massa, and actually Kimi was amazingly still on the pace, even more towards the end of the season. He out paced Massa in fugi (could have won if Hamilton hadnt missed his breaking poin at the start and forced him off) and in shanghai, where he pulled over for Massa at the end.

        On top of this:
        Canada, looking good for the win until ham crashes into him in pits.
        France, easy win until exhaust cracks, Massa wins.
        Spa, passes Massa and Hamilton on track and would have won had it not rained. Massa inherites victory.

        No one seems to remember this… Especially a lot of f1 journos

        All this equates to ‘massa outperforming raikkonen’.

      13. Marpabel says:

        Every driver has good years and bad years, whatever the reason is, but it is wise to remember what said Sergio Rinland about Kimi: “I looked in his eyes and I thought ‘I’ve seen
        this look before. And I know where I saw that look before. And it gave
        me goosebumps when I remembered that look. It was Senna.”

      14. Tealeaf says:

        Nick but you could also say Massa was unlucky at Malaysia he had a brain fade moment and spun off due to thinking traction control was still in F1, then at Hungary an easy win was lost due to an engine failure and then another easy win at singapore was ruined because of the Renault/Piquet stunt, all ifs and buts but on pace Massa was faster than Raikkonen more often than not, the only driver than can turn a hugely unlucky season around just like in 2010 is Vettel, he negates those DNF’s and poor lucks and still wins the title, Kimi couldn’t do that in 2005 and nor can Alonso or Hamilton, still I think we’ll find out if Massa really was permanently damaged by his crash in 2009, overall Massa and Kimi was evenly matched.

      15. VP of Common Sense says:

        Toasted? 109-109? Alonso was the first McLaren driver that year to win a pole. He was the first McLaren driver to win a race in 2007. He was also the first to win his 2nd, 3rd & 4th GP for McLaren in 2007. Perhaps you were toasted when you made your silly comment.

      16. Peter Freeman says:

        Alonso was a double world champion. Hamilton was a Rookie, a rank beginner. Hamilton was in contention to win the World Championship in the final race, Alonso was not. Hamilton was ranked ahead of his double world champion team mate at the end of his rookie year.

        Name another world champion in the history of F1 to finish behind his rookie team mate at the end of the season.

        Name another driver ever who attempted to blackmail his team with his own cheating.

      17. Quade says:

        Lewis was a rookie who more than matched a WDC. I’d say toasted is the right word.

      18. jawsf1 says:

        lewis also won four races that year & was leading the championship for most of the season-109 pts a piece yes but it wasnt alonso who’s score looked the most impressive!

      19. Nige says:

        Lewis wasn’t a rookie in the true sence of the word. 1000s of miles of testing, gp2 champ, f3 etc and with mclaren from age 13. He was the best prepared driver ever to come into f1. Alonso was adapting to a new car,new engine,new tyres and had to adapt his driving style. You can see today how Lewis has been struggling to adapt to Mercedes as he has only won 1 race and Nico has won 2.

      20. Sri says:

        @Peter Freeman: All yous said is right except: ” Hamilton was in contention to win the World Championship in the final race, Alonso was not.” Actually Hamilton was first, Alonso was second (4 points behind) and Raikkonen third (7 points behind Hamilton) in points table before the last race. So Alonso was in contention.

      21. Mingojo says:

        Ummm! Mclaren was supporting Lewis! Have you forgotten what Ron Dennis said after China 2007. By the way Fernando was in contention for the WDC in the last race.

      22. Anop says:

        @Peter: Fernando was not in contention in the final race? It’s Hilarious. Get your facts correct. If Felipe wouldn’t have moved over to let Kimi win then Fernando would have been the champion.

      23. KRB says:

        @Anop, you have to get your facts straight too. If Felipe stayed ahead with Kimi behind, then Lewis would’ve won the title, on countback from Alonso (more 2nd places). Alonso needed to get 2nd to win the title.

      24. Elie says:

        A rookie is rookie..and a double WC was a double WC .. I think toast is not too far off the mark when you really weigh it up

      25. Not a huge FA admirer, but let’s not forget that it was FA who BEAT MS the last two years he was driving competitively for Ferrari. Remember the pass on the outside in Japan? A very cut throat political business, this.

        Thanks again James — BTW, what strengths does Allison bring to the table for Ferrari, may have missed this detail?

      26. James Allen says:

        He’s the next best guy to have if you can’t get Newey..

        Aero, packaging and innovation

      27. Alex says:

        2005 Ferrari was NOT competitive, or cant you remember? Schumi only won 1 race that year….and it happened to be Indianapolis where majority of the teams (all who were using Michelin tires) didnt start the race. Overall 2005 Ferrari was propably even worse than the 2009 Ferrari….so the only year FA really beat Schumi in competitive Ferrari was in 2006.

        Dont get me wrong, I dont mean to underestimate Alonso, but so many seems to underestimate Kimi and his chances to beat Alonso….Dont forget who still happens to be Ferrari’s latest champion and who has been the most conistent driver the past 2 years. Kimi is real threat to Alonso and denying this would be silly thinking

      28. Matt H says:

        On the topic of technical directors/ aero guys and the like we here of decent drivers coming up through the ranks but never here the work of the mechanics etc. any chance you could do a piece about the young up and coming mechanics / other team members who are highly rated in the business as someone who’s close to the paddock. There must be a new bianchi/vettel type up and coming mechanic or aero guy who teams all recognise their hard work ?

      29. Matt H says:


        Apologies for poor grammar

      30. iGOR BdA says:

        Exactly! In 2005, neither Schumacher nor Ferrari were in contention. And you know what?! If Schumacher’s Ferrari had not blown its engine in the final part of the 2006 Japanese GP, Schumacher would have taken the title as well, regardless of the 10th position penalty and the tire blow out in Brazil.

      31. Heinzman says:

        In response to Igor bda: MS failure to win the 2006 WDC cannot be put down to technical failure; FA engine blew in Monza also. I am a big fan of both drivers, but MS lost that championship when he unnecessarily parked his car in Monaco quali

      32. quattro says:

        Toasted? LoL. What do you call what ALO has been doing to (the non-rookie) HAM (in the absence of R Dennis) since 2010 – in a slower package for majority of the time? We are not talking about equal points anymore, but being behind ALO xx points in the final standing…each and every year. “slaughtered and grilled – on strong fire”?

      33. aezy_doc says:

        Is this article not about Raikkonen moving to Ferrari to join Alonso? Why on earth are we talking about Hamilton?

      34. KRB says:

        Yielding how many titles for Alonso?

        Yeah, ’nuff said.

        Alonso’s a great driver. But here it’s first or nothing. 2007 was a great performance by a rookie, but in the end it didn’t yield a title. A wasted opportunity.

      35. dean cassady says:

        Kimi won’t be a number two.

      36. Truth or Lies says:

        We’ll soon see how subdued Massa was, what happens if Alonso starts knocking chucks out of Kimi’s reputation?

        Raikkonen should have gone to Red Bull or stayed put, in the end it looks like it all came down to dollars.

        As for Ferrari this could be Senna and Prost all over, they really don’t have a clue how to manage people. They crushed Massa to focus 100% on Alonso, now they bring in Kimi to put manners on Alonso!

        The problem isn’t the drivers its the car and has been since 2008. Red Bull and Mercedes must be rolling about in laughter.

      37. Elie says:

        ” They crushed Massa to focus 100% on Alonso, now they bring in Kimi to put manners on Alonso!”

        Totally agree with this line.. They need stronger management.. They can’t expect drivers to “manage the team ” – all they want to do is get the best car they can ( ahead of team mate preferred) and win races. !!

      38. Bobster says:

        Actually, I think that Alonso has looked better at Ferrari against Massa than Kimi did. I would not be surprised to see Alonso prevail against Kimi.

      39. James W says:

        Yes, but Alonso would have been champion that year had Daddy Hamilton not gone crying to the FIA in Hungary. And as we have found out from many loaded statements from Coulthard, based on his extensive knowledge and experience on the team and its leadership, that the likelihood the official version of events is true is very low. Remember “we’re racing Alonso”?

        We all know Dennis was undermining his own driver. And it has long been known that Alonso’s strategy was changed without his knowledge at the last moment at several races and his data was handed over to Lewis – whereas Alonso was not allowed to get his colleague’s data back in reciprocation. Let’s go back to Hungary. What started the incident? Can you remember? It wasn’t the Spaniard.

        And it shows how dumb McLaren are these days. They could have won two or three championships in a row with Alonso.

    3. H.Guderian says:

      Good for VET.

      LEW/ROS splitting points at Merc.
      ALO/KIM splitting points at Ferrari.

      Mean while Vettel….

      ANOTHER stupid decision by LdM and Dom.

      1. Hugy says:

        LdM and Dom probably care more about the constructors instead of the WDC.

      2. David C says:

        NR isn’t allowed to race LH remember “don’t pass nico”

      3. KRB says:

        Are you sure you’re not Dave C? There was nothing wrong with telling Nico to hold station … the last pit stops were done, there was no threat from behind, and no way of catching the leaders, so just bring the cars home in the order they were in.

        It would be interesting to know if Nico’s engine in Hungary was the same one used in Malaysia. Nico should’ve fallen back out of Lewis’ wake in Malaysia, to help the engine. If it was, then he’d look pretty foolish, wouldn’t he?

        Nico has been less than helpful to the team effort in Germany and in Italy, when clearly Lewis and he were on different race strategies. He eventually moved over in each instance, but not as soon as he could’ve. Don’t think for a second that hasn’t been noted on the Mercedes pitwall.

      4. Dave C says:

        No that wasn’t me I can just verify that now, and please what are you talking about now I agree with David C, Nico is a ckear number 2, but in reality overall performance he is closely matched with Hamilton just team orders and mechanical failures all seem very suspect, but thrn thats to be expected if I was Ross I’d favour Hamilton too, a slightly faster driver and not as static as Nico, I too would have promised Hamilton number 1 status to be written in his contract. I do believe Mercedes have their best chance at the title next year, they need Hamilton on the ball just like 2008 when Kovalainen was his rear guard, as goes for Raikkonen/Alonso? Who knows maybe Kimi will be fired up and when he does he is almost unstoppable just like in 2005, his pace was scary, no wonder Alonso is getting twitchy.

      5. KARTRACE says:

        Exactly that

      6. Tornillo Amarillo says:

        Interesting comment regarding VETTEL will have more chances for the WDC while Ferrari and Merc split points.

        But I think that ALONSO will try to win while KIMI will try to be in P2 or P3 ALWAYS… ALWAYS…

        So maybe is VETTEL and ALONSO who split wins, also with HAMILTON and ROSBERG, while KIMI could be Champion because he would have more points!

    4. wellerfan says:

      This is the best thing to happen in F1 in years

    5. Quade says:

      I now expect Alonso to either sabotage Kimi’s car, or leave Ferrari.
      This is a powder keg with oodles of entertainment for 2014.
      My bet is that Kimi will beat Alonso handily, especially if Ferrari build him a steering wheel he has no issues with.

      1. M. Collins says:

        Leave Ferrari and go where, exactly? He’s still under contract with them and there’s not another viable seat. We all know the teams to be with if you want a chance at a championship, and all those seats are full.

        And sabotage? I’ll just ignore that silly comment.

        The major rules changes next year are bound to shake things up a bit. I think it’s too early for all the alarmism. Let’s see how things pan out a few races into 2014 season before we get carried away, here.

      2. Mingojo says:

        Wishful thinking?

      3. Spinodontosaurus says:

        If Raikkonen’s performance is on par with his previous Ferrari outing, then Alonso won’t have to resort to anything.

      4. Darrin from Canada says:

        Quade— you are the best! Great comment, I spit coffee into my keyboard when I read it!

      5. ShaBooPi says:

        Quade and all the other loudmouths betting on kimi should actually bet on kimi instead of just type on a keyboard. I guess if we wanted logic we could study the bookmakers odds to see who technically, factually should win. My…bet? No bookmaker would pick Kimi over him. But there will always be loudmouths who speak with such assurance. .. lets see where they are at the end of next year. By the way in terms of careers Kimi has had much better equipment and teams over the years than Alonso. He’s nowhere in terms of results by comparison. Facts don’t lie. I never remember Kimi ever winning a poll on driver of the year, if we tallied that up the result would be a joke also.

        I think this is a stupid move from Ferrari, Hulkenberg is a much better bet. Kimi is abysmal in qualifying, his racecraft is good but so is Alonso so why hnot get a fast driver for qualifying? I don’t understand the logic, they never casted about the constructors so why now? Unless there was a hidden issue they could get a young driver like Hulk in and he’d learn off the mature driver. Now they have 2 old drivers in a team, they won’t teach each other anything and the only fire they’ll have is when their egos are bruised. My only thought is if they feel next year will be such a drastic change in rules that they want the two most experienced guys to pick up points from the very first race and capitalise on unfamiliarity that younger drivers may display in differing situations.

      6. Quade says:

        Lol! You don’t understand the logic?
        They expect one “older driver” to huff off and cost them zero money in broken contracts. Simples!

    6. Phill says:

      You are totally right! Reading all these silly comments from clear FA [mod]makes me laugh! What he has done over the last couple of years has been great, he is truly a fantastic driver, and now with his matured attitudes, a team mate like Kimi will only spur him on to greater successes. Bring on 2014, bring on the downfall of Red Bull!

      PS, Alonso just saved a well supported pro cycling team, so he’s a nice guy :p

      1. Tealeaf says:

        Bring on the downfall of Redbull? I haven’t heard anything so childish in my life… everything rides on this new engine formula and if Renault brings out a dud then Vettel and Redbull won’t win next year but same thing could be said fore Ferrari and ‘Mercedes performance engines’.

      2. krischar says:

        Superb post PHILL

        you have made my day

        Alonso is the best driver i have even seen in F1. For me the greatest driver in the history of F1

        Kimi’s arrival can only be positive for alonso and ferrari. Alonso can push himself even more than before

        It makes me to chuckle a lot when people say kimi has joined Ferrari to topple alonso. He cannot beat massa in the dream machinery F2008 when they drove for Ferrari as team mates.

        Alonso can wring a lap time out of any machinery or even a truck. FORZA Alonso

    7. Johnny says:

      If I were an Alonso fan, I would be down right gutted. This is the end of Alonso’s stint as the “most complete” driver. Raikkonen is on the rampage.

    8. expertf1 says:

      here’s a fact- alonso was classified 3rd, BEHIND lewis the rookie. now a simple question has to be why do you guys all think that the rb10 will still be the car to beat next year? you forget that present and past performances are no guarantee for the future. for all we know one of the smaller teams could crack the regulations and spring ahead while everyone is still struggling to come to grips with the new cars. 2009 is a good example.

      1. At last says:

        2009 a good example is it? A car developed from mid season before by Honda? small team?
        Good Facts.

      2. expertf1 says:

        last time i checked, honda was at the tail end of the grid before 2009. thats a fact. another fact is brawn had a minor budget. so yes they are very much facts. i wonder what where you watching

      3. dean cassady says:

        Red Bull should have won 2009.
        The 009 Honda may well have been the most intensively designed car in history; how many wind-tunnels and super-computers did they use?

    9. All revved-up says:

      There are just so many opinions on the Alonso vs Kimi debate. What’s great is that we can see this play out in real life in 2014! Can’t wait.

      Hope Alonso doesn’t pack up and leave for Lotus.

    10. dean cassady says:

      I’m not at all convinced that Alonso will be driving at Ferrari next year.
      If not Alonso, who else should be there?

  2. At last says:

    At last they do something good for the team. Slight message to Alonso as to who is the boss (Luca) but providing they can finally make a good car, this should be good. Alonso = awesome Kimi = awesome. Alonso to shade it overall, but what fun. As a Ferrari fan as long as it one of them who cares which

    1. Sanjog says:

      emmm..nothing slight about this message.. Its a kick up the rear of ‘samurai’ to stop being a brat.
      Good car or not, Nando- Kimi are going to be awesome to watch :)

  3. At last says:

    At last they do something good for the team. Slight message to Alonso as to who is the boss (Luca) but providing they can finally make a good car, this should be good. Alonso = awesome Kimi = awesome. Alonso to shade it overall, but what fun. As a Ferrari fan as long as it one of them who cares which

    1. bearforce1 says:

      This could be the best and most exciting aspect of next years racing. It could be the best and most exciting thing in F1 for a long while.

      I am excited and can’t wait for next year and I am a big Vettel fan.

      Seeing not only Kimi and Alsonso racing each other but also the relationship they have. Will they fight. Will Alonso spit the dummy if things don’t go his way.

      It has been a while since Alonso has had a team mate that competes against him. For the last few years Alonso has not had a team mate but a wing man, that exists only to advance Alonso in the race or on grid positions. Alonso has become used to having extra race wins, extra points and better grid positions come his way each year gifted to him through his team mates sacrificing himself.

      I think it is going to be quite a shock for Alonso because I don’t think Kimmi will ever be as accommodating or self sacrificing as Massa even if he is contractually a number two driver.

      I only hope that Ferrari let Kimmi race. I could not stand to see Kimmi moving over letting Alonso through, breaking a seal on this gear box to get Alonso further up the grid, towing Alonso etc etc etc. This would be specially painful to watch because it is Kimmi and he is kinda the anti this sort of rubbish behaviour.

      Even if Ferrari don’t win the WDC or WCC next year they will gain such popularity and kudos if they let Alonso and Kimmi go at it.

      1. Quade says:

        Imagine this happening next year:

        Radio message from pit wall: Kimi, Alonso is faster than you.
        Kimi: So what?
        Pit wall: Do you understand? Alonso is faster than you!
        Kimi: Don’t disturb me when I’m driving.

      2. aezy_doc says:


      3. Sugar Water says:

        U underestimate KR

      4. Wes says:

        There is another element as well, Kimi has a lot of friends in Maranello, he always got along well with the team and never had a bad word against them, even after being put in car built for Massa or the shove-out, his boys in the barn will welcome him back with open arms as the prodigal son. THIS will have a huge impact that i am not really hearing much about. The team will be gushing over the boy-returneth, and ALO will be left in the corner sulking, this is going to get good!

      5. Yago says:

        Kimi moved over for Massa at China 2008. So he has already done it.

      6. KRB says:

        Made sense then, didn’t it? Just as Felipe moved over for him at Brazil ’08. Both drivers were out of the DWC, aiding their teammate who sitll had a chance.

        Kimi and Fernando would do the same for the other if in the same situation.

      7. bearforce1 says:

        Totally different. Kimmi had no chance to win the WDC at that point and so supported his team mate as most drivers would (not webber).

      8. Tealeaf says:

        Good point about Webber, the multi 21 brigade funnily enough always fail to acknowledge Webber always publicly admits he wouldn’t help Seb no matter what the situation, I for 1 am glad Seb stuck the car up the inside at turn 1 at Sepang and then made the move stick, showed that ‘not bad for a number 2 driver’ who the number 1 driver in the world was, after Brazil last year and the stuff he was saying to make the Oz crowd boo Vettel before multi 21 Webber needed to be put in his place and Seb did just that, whats the quali this year? 12-0? Wins? 6-0? Well if I was a Hamilton or Alonso fan I’d boo too everyone knows Seb would have wiped the floor with Kimi thats why they root for Ricciardo to join RBR to make it seem like Vettel is not all that great by not having the chance to blow a top 3 driver away, doesn’t matter though if people were honest with themselves they all know whos the best.

      9. Yago says:

        Guys, Massa had no chance to win the WDC when he moved over. Massa moved over three times for Alonso (whatever you think), two of them being way earlier than when Kimi and him moved for each other. The difference was the points gap between Alonso and Massa was much greater than that between Massa and Kimi, even if it was much earlier. Ferrari has not changed their approach since 2007-2008, what has changed is the relative competitiveness of their drivers, and having a much stronger rival on Red Bull-Vettel.

        So hiring Kimi is not going to change anything in Ferrari’s approach. Whoever does a better job on the track will get preferential treatment towards the end of the year. If the points gap between the two is very big halfway, and there is a rival running with it, they will do the same and tell one of their drivers to move over if necessary.

      10. Omar says:

        What a load of tosh from Tealeaf!! Seb to wipe the floor with Kimi!!!!!!! are you having a laugh?? Do you even know how good Kimi is? At least Redbull knew how good Kimi is, which is why they didn’t pair him with Seb, as the world knows that Kimi would expose Seb for what he really is ‘a good driver in a great car’. Redbull also declined Lewis last year, I’m assuming because they know Seb would have been beaten by Lewis just like he would have been beaten by Kimi.

    2. Phil Glass says:

      My feeling exactly


      MR MONTEZEMOLO YOU ARE A VISIONARY AND COURAGOUS LEADER and I take back what I said last week !!

      It could have been Kimi and Seb: DR MARKO, you will have to live with your choice.

      1. Sebee says:


        What do you call doing the same thing and expecting a different result? Enough of this all about Alonso. He’s had it his way for 4 years. Time to break-test Alonso! :-)

      2. rafa says:

        Has he had a car to challenge the driver YOU happen to like? Nope. Hence Alonso has NOT had it his way… probably RBR and VET have.

      3. Sebee says:


        F1 is a team effort. Ferrari have put it’s trust, technical direction, type of car they build into Alonso’s hands. They have put him as clear #1 and have stopped at nothing to make that clear. It has not paid off. Do you think that continuing with this direction is the right path? Or perhaps trying something different strategy wise is the way to go.

        You claim that Alonso has not have had the car, but what do we say of Schumi? That he developed the car? Pulled the team up?

        My point has nothing to do with my liking one driver or another. It has to do with the fact that the current Ferrari formula has been given 4 seasons and has not paid off in any really meaningful way. Time for Ferrari to try a new formula, and to put more internal competition between the two cars to deliver results. Also to see how good Alonso is. If he’s really good, Kimi is not a problem.

      4. Chromatic says:

        Alonso/Hulk would not have hoped to be a match for Kimi/Vettel.
        Alas, seems Marko and co really believed Kimi was staying with Lotus and Massa was staying as Alonso’s helper.

        Ah the lack of foresight !

      5. All revved-up says:

        You may be right. I think some senior RB people may have been caught off guard by this. Hence they hope Ferrari will “tear themselves apart”.

  4. Charlie says:

    This whole situation is crazy. I didn’t watch a single race while Kimi was out of F1. I remember a reader on this site claiming (quite vociferously) that I’d never keep my boycott up, but I just lost all enthusiasm for the sport without Kimi’s…je ne sais quoi. I remember James Allen commenting that I was missing some really good racing, and perhaps he (you!) was right.

    But I’d been a fan of Kimi since his 6th position finish in a Sauber at Melbourne when I was just 16 years old. His nonchalance fits my ideal for what I want to see in a sportsman (very personal, subjective opinion, I know, but there you go).

    When he left the sport in 2009 I honestly thought that was it…I saw his “last victory” live at Spa and thought that was it. To see his two pretty damn good years at Lotus has been amazing…BUT NOW he is definitely going back to Ferrari!

    Holy Moly!

    Let’s just hope that the 2014 Ferrari suits his driving style. I don’t care what anyone says, you can’t go from a perfect weekend (fastest practice, qualiying and race lap times plus victory) in Spain 2008 and then fade so badly through a season without something quite drastic being changed in the car (“lack of motivation”? Whatever!). His crash in qualifying at Monaco in 2008 was just so uncharacteristic and looked like a driver desperately trying to make sense of a car that seemed to have changed over-night. I never understood why Ferrari did this having had so much success with Kimi in 2007…

    The end of the season in 2009 (including the win at Spa) showed what Kimi and Ferrari can do when they work in tandem…let’s just hope that they can find this way of working together again with Alonso on the other side of the garage.

    Who would have guessed, back in 2005, that these two would be team-mates at Ferrari in 2014…mental. When Kimi’s tyre blew-up at the Nurburgring in 2005 and Alonso celebrated that inherited victory as though he’d just invented a cure for cancer I really struggled to find much to like about him. But, despite what happened in 2007, I think Alonso has calmed down somewhat. Yes, they’ll push one another and wont work as a team in any way. But I actually think that this combined force of great drivers will be the best way to take the fight to Red Bull…

    Good decision, Ferrari.


    1. 180110 says:

      I didnt watch a single Formula One race either whilst Kimi was Rallying. Raikkonen’s 1st Formula One race in ’01 was my 1st F1 race as a viewer and I was 12 years old back then and in sport you have to root for someone right, and I rooted for the debutant. Never been the same again :)

      1. Charlie says:

        There are a few of us out there! That was basically the race at which I started watching every race. I’d supported Hakkinen before that and Mansel for a bit when I was a real kid. But I never watched every race until Kimi joined the sport (after only 23 competitive car races!!! – what a legend!)

        It’s nice to meet long-term Raikkonen fans who understand stuff like crying at the end of Nurburgring 2005 or simply not understanding qualifying lap times such as Monaco 2005. He ended Montoya’s career. How many drivers have done that to such a highly rated team-mate?

      2. Elie says:

        I’m older and watched F1 for many years since early-mid 80′s Prost/ Senna.. But it’s funny you mentioned it- when Kimi came along and those early Sauber tests- I started watching regularly–I really didn’t know why but I think Kimis start in F1 – was the tipping point. Thanks

    2. Joel says:

      Congratulation on being a loyal fan.
      I do feel that Kimi will be beated by FA at the end of the day. However, it will be an electric season. Bring it on, 2014.

      1. Charlie says:

        Thanks Joel. I’ve said in a post elsewhere on this article that Kimi being beaten by Alonso depends on the car and Ferrari’s desire to develop it to fit Kimi’s driving style… We’ll see.

      2. Sebee says:

        Funny that Kimi’s 2007 WDC is thanks to Alonso’s McLaren melt-down. Alonso sure has a lot to make up for, but that self induced pressure is going to be fascinating to watch.

        I was interested by the Nico/Lewis pairing in 2013, nothing will be watched closer than the Alonso/Kimi pairing in 2014. Bring on the drama!

      3. Erik says:

        Alonso has a lot to make up for? How do you figure? If anything it’s Ferrari who needs to lift it’s game making a good car. Don’t forget that Raikkonen is leaving a team that has not paid him and is looking like it’s in ever greater financial trouble. And is going to a team that has not made a great car for a few years. Kimi in not stupid, he knows just as well as Alonso that next year will be tense, so it says a lot about what he thinks of Lotus to go to Ferrari despite this. To me this fact puts into context how little influence Alonso had in making this second driver decision. Which as a former number one driver (now probably equal number one), says that there is indeed tension there. For me this driver pairing is immense – my favourite two drivers in one team. But when a world champion tells you to improve the car because it’s crap, Ferrari should respond with making a better car instead of playing political games with it’s own drivers. So for me it’s Ferrari that needs to prove themselves, not Alonso.

      4. dean cassady says:

        Sebee and Erik:
        Interesting points.
        Has Hamilton eclipsed Rosberg yet, in your mind?
        Yes, Ferrari, like all of the teams/drivers, except Sebastian Vettel, are frutrated by the Vettel-Red Bull dominance in package/pace; however you look at it, the package is good, and every bit earned their WCs (should have got 2009 as well).
        So Ferrari,… is obviously Ferrari, and they definitely are trying to make the fastest car; so why criticize the way Alonso did?
        Valueless, as a matter of fact, dismising all of the hard work!
        Ironically, despite the seeming disrespctful treatment towards Kimi, he maintained his integrity and never criticized Ferrari; while Alonoso, never having been in the least bit slighted, enjoying clear pre-emininance within the team, criticizes harshly.
        If they get equal treatment, Iexpect Kimi to have the upper hand.
        I don’t expect equal treatment.
        Who will be the Ferrari team principle for 2014?
        That’s what I want to know now.
        We won’t get an answer before the end of this season, however.

      5. Sebee says:

        F1 is a team effort Erik. It is not as simple as saying that it’s all car, because then you also take away from Alonso and his contribution. The blame doesn’t lie in a single area.

        You say Ferrari haven’t given Alonso the car to win, I say Alonso has gotten the restuls last 4 season thanks to the car. You say Alonso is the reason why Ferrari were a contender, I say Ferrari are the reason why Alonso was a contender.

        It’s not a black and white scenario. It’s a team effort Erik. They need to up their game in all areas, and this includes Alonso. I find it highly disturbing that end of 2012 in a cluch situation Alonso was beaten not only by Vettel, but also by Massa.

      6. Antti says:

        @Sebee: Spot on! Had ALO qualified and raced as well as MAS at the end of 2012, he would have won WDC.

        This ALO praise has gone too far. Ferrari has been fairly competitive last years, RBR/VET duo just worked better than Ferrari/ALO. Team AND _driver_ counts.

    3. Xman says:

      In 2008 Ferrari was made to support Massa for the title by the huge sponsors that he brought in from S. America.

      1. Charlie says:


      2. Hero_was_senna says:

        Please share with the world exactly which sponsor you speak of… Seeing as Marlboro were the main sponsor in 2008, in fact they had been since 1997.
        Schumacher guided development of the team towards Massa, that is the only reason

      3. Charlie says:

        Have to say I’m with you on this…but I like the blind enthusiasm…!

      4. Timmay says:


        Do you think major multi tens of million dollar sponsorship deals get signed & sealed in a matter of weeks? Especially as cigarette sponsors were being kicked out of the sport.

      5. NJ says:

        Santander is a SPANISH bank.

      6. Xman says:


        Ok Spanish not S. American.

        The result though is the same

      7. Elie says:

        Michael Schumacher was the catalyst for helping Ferrari set up the car for Felipe Massas preference.He was contracted by Ferrari in 2008- Is it no coincidence that the team went downhill very quickly after loosing Todt / Brawn also. MS felt he owed FM for all his loyalty and I would only suggest he could not stand the fact that Kimi was WDC in his first year at Ferrari he knew his records at Ferrari would come under threat!..

    4. DMyers says:

      Well, if Fisichella had KERS that day in 2009, Raikkonen would have had no chance of winning…

      1. Grabyrdy says:

        Worth remembering too that when Fisi was drafted in to Ferrari straight afterwards, he couldn’t make head or tail of the car. It’s true that Fisi’s career fizzled (Fissled ?) out a bit at the end, but there was a time when he was very highly regarded. The 2009 Ferrari was a bit of a dog …

    5. Rob Newman says:

      Alonso has been the main beneficiary whenever a front running car failed for the past few years. And many times he has celebrated that.

      You would have seen the photo here on JA on F1 where he was raising his hand when they were towing Vettel’s car away. That is the reason this man is not winning the Championship any more. You need a good heart to win.

      1. Charlie says:

        I know. I was slightly ashamed of myself for being happy when Kimi won in Abu Dhabi. After all that was Hamilton’s race to lose.

        In fact, Hamilton’s missed out on a few races from technical failures while in the lead – but then so has Vettel. I empathise…

        Kimi in France 2008 (Massa celebrated that victory as though he deserved it)…

        Kimi in Canada 2005 (Alonso wins…)

        Kimi in Germany 2005 (Alonso wins…)

        Kimi in San Marino 2005 (Guess who…Alonso wins…)

        You could say that Kimi was unlucky in 2005…

        Also, I think Kimi would have won in Canada 2008 if Hamilton hadn’t parked his car in the back of his Ferrari (a view shared by James Allen I believe). I think he might have won in 2006 at Hungary too if it wasn’t for Tonio Liuzzi slowing down on the racing line…Nurburgring 2003…I can go on….

        Obviously I am slightly appeased by the fact that Kimi won in Spa in 2004 after an Alonso failure…but it seems as though justice has not been evenly distributed.


      2. unF1nnished business says:

        Kimi won in Canada in ’05. I believe you’re referring to Nurburgring or Hockenheim in ’05. Both races DNFing while in the lead.

      3. Andrew M says:

        Kimi did win in Canada 2005…

      4. Hassan says:

        remember fisi won brazilian gp ’04 due to FA ignore yellow flag.

      5. Charlie says:

        Thanks Andrew and unF1nnished business, quite right – Hockenheim, not Canada. Don’t know what I was thinking!

      6. KRB says:

        Uh, that pic was from the 2012 Italian GP, when Alonso finished 3rd, and when Vettel retired from that race, Alonso was already ahead of him.

      7. David C says:

        No im always David C. My point is that NR spent alot more time in fuel saving mode during the race and that is why he was in better shape late in the race, he had saved fuel and as such had an advantage. So are you now going to say that MW was wrong to attack SV in the 2011 Brittish GP?? Its a shame he wasnt good enough to pull it off but he was told not to attack and did and I thought fare play to him. LH felt he had done wrong after the race and wasnt celebrating was he?

        About the engines, it might be interesting but we dont know so thats irrelevent. If you have proof thats the case and proof that the failure was caused by running the engine too hard fare enough but you dont so irrelevent.

        Anyway the comment I replied to said that it was good for SV but one thing is for sure NR is more accomidating to LH than MW is to SV. MW would have passed SV in that race as proven by the brittish GP in 2011

      8. Rob Newman says:

        My point is, he is raising his hand. (That is not to indicate he is aware of marshals on the track).

    6. Harshad says:

      Same here, even I stopped watching F1 in 2010/2011. Good to know there are few more like minded people out there!

      1. Charlie says:

        We should start a support group for when he finally retires… ;)

    7. H.Guderian says:

      “Let’s just hope that the 2014 Ferrari suits his driving style”.

      Come on!!!! Too early for excuses.

    8. Srini Katta says:

      Great to see equally crazy Kimi fans. F1 was just not the same without him.

    9. MelB says:

      That goes for me as well. I have been following f1 since the early 80′s and have barely missed watching a race since Schumacher’s Benetton days. I became a fan of Kimi during his first year with Sauber and even more so when he moved to McLaren. I cannot say I was thrilled when Kime left Woking for Maranello, but the disappointment when he was ousted from Ferrari made me lose all interest in f1. I, who had followed f1 on a daily basis for years, did not watch one race until Kimi came back with Lotus. I would love having Kimi back at McLaren, but Kimi in whatever somewhat competitive car is worth watching.

      1. Charlie says:

        Yep – we share pretty much identical views. Before Kimi came to the sport I could quite happily watch any race, normally hoping the underdog would win…but as soon as Kimi entered the sport my whole attitude changed. I think it’s because there is something predictably unpredictable in the whole viewing experience when you’re a Raikkonen fan. We know (us KR fans) that he IS the fastest driver in the world…with a few conditions. And that’s the problem. While we loved 2005, since he was just unstoppable when his car worked, we struggled in 2008 because he just couldn’t qualify the bloody thing after the fly-away season ended (Spain excluded). Let’s not forget that he still got the record for the most fastest laps in a season in 2008 (shared with MSC…and himself).

        There’s kind of blind belief that he’ll always bring the most out of the car on race day. Even in his weakest seasons (08-09) he was still pretty good on race day.

        So, what will happen with Alonso? Who knows. But I still back Cap’n Kimbo to be pretty ace whatever happens. I have blind faith :)

    10. Tom says:

      Hmm… Now you made me feel bad about watching F1 during those 2 years. :-)

      I’m a huge Kimi fan as well (and Häkkinen before him) and never supported any other driver during 2010/2011. But I couldn’t really stop watching F1. But it really was not the same for me without the iceman. (Same goes for MotoGP, I’m still watching it but not supporting any rider after Simoncelli)

      Hope Ferrari will build a decent car for 2014. For me, this is the best driver pairing since Senna/Prost

      1. Charlie says:

        Looks like we share the same view of the world. I was very much Hakkinen then Raikkonen!

        I was just so broken-hearted when Kimi left in 2009 that I found no enjoyment in watching a load of drivers that I just didn’t particularly like as sporting personalities. There are very VERY few sportsmen in the world like Kimi Raikkonen. Ultimately I think the attraction is the fact that if I was that famous as as sportsman I’d probably end up much more like Alonso (passionate, emotional, competitive…almost aggressively so…etc) and really I’d have more respect for myself if I were like Kimi (phlegmatic, nonchalant…badass). That’s what it comes down to…simple competitive apathy.

        There’s a scene in the TV show Scrubs in which a character, who looks a little lazy and out of shape, competes in a hurdle race with about 50% effort, wins, says “good race” to the others who are all out of breath, and then puts a cigarette in his mouth that he’d had behind his ear during the race. It’s the sort of thing James Hunt would have done, and it reminds me of Kimi’s general attitude towards life.

        Basically he’s awesome.

      2. Marpabel says:

        Wow! +1 000 000. And he is very smart too! No need forget that. At least people, who worked with him, have that kind of opinion.

        Yes, it looks like everything coming very easy but reality is, that he works very hard.

      3. Ding wamage says:

        Have you considered the possibility that Kimi is actually the only honest one of the lot? The rest are probably just putting on all this ‘great athlete’, ‘hard work’, ‘complete devotion’ and even ‘samurai warfare’ bovine excrement?

        I like it that he exposes the rest as try-hards and PR puppets.

      4. Charlie says:

        Ding wamage…nice. Couldn’t agree more ;)

    11. Racyboy says:

      Wow, I’m quite stunned by your stance.

      Sure I have preferences for certain drivers, But if all of them were replaced next week, I’d still watch.

      1. Charlie says:

        Yeah, I don’t know what went wrong with me. Before Kimi I could watch any race and generally just supported the underdog to liven up the championship. But Kimi changed things. I’ve explained a bit more in my reply to Tom above :)

      1. Charlie says:

        Haha…already a step ahead of you. I knew Soren (the author) before he even started writing that blog… He’s a proper Kimi fan too :)

      2. Soren says:

        Boo-yah bitches! I’m here. :D

        Kimi? Nah, he ain’t that special.. ;)
        Up for a race visit next year, Charlie?

        I just updated the prologue of the article by the way. In light of the recent events.

        Props to James Allen for a good rundown in this piece.

      3. Ben says:

        I don’t understand how this article is always thrown around as if it is fact? A lot of clutching at straws in there. This one stood out.

        “Santander have said the major condition of their deal is that former World Champion Fernando Alonso would drive for the team. He won’t confirm his future, and will not comment until September.”

        September obviously being the date of Monza where Ferrari seem to always announce their driver line-ups. As they have just done now.

        Everyone pointing to Kimi’s bad luck forgetting that pretty much everyone did in a really weird season. Massa would have got far more points if his car didn’t blow in Hungary, Renault didn’t cheat in Singapore, Lewis didn’t bring out a safety car in Monaco etc.

      4. James Allen says:

        There are a couple of factual errors I know about in the opening section, so one cannot be sure what is true and what is fiction

      5. Esteban says:

        I don’t threw it as a fact, I just think the article raises some valid points. I’m absolutely no expert and I’m not telling that article is the bible about Kimi and Ferrari.

  5. Chad says:

    Kimi…what a badass. My favourite driver ever.

    I really hope the car suits him. Either way – I think it’ll be a great combination, regardless of the potential team-mate fireworks.

    This is massive…MASSIVE!!!

    1. Sebee says:

      Lewis agrees with you. This is massive. :-)

      1. Charlie says:

        On many levels…didn’t Lewis use to play F1 games as Kimi ;)

    2. NickH says:

      +1 what a badass

    3. crndl says:

      Badass indeed, go Iceman :)

    4. crndl says:

      Badass indeed, go Iceman :)

  6. Rich B says:

    Can’t wait to see Alonso’s reaction when kimi beats him. How long will it be before he says “I feel alone in this team.” To be honest I still think Alonso will come out on top but it’ll be close.
    I hope Hulk gets kimi’s seat at lotus, his talent has been waited for too long now.

    1. maria says:

      Won’t take long. And all the Alonso fans will come out of the wood works to whine about it along with the Spanish press. The best part would be that no one will give a dime. lol

      1. furstyferret says:

        I think you could be right, this is great from afar as a nonFerrari fan, but I cant see how this will work, if they build a great car, your going to have 2 alpha dogs just going at each other causing all sorts of hassle , on the other side of the coin,, if the cars a dog 2 drivers who will have the hump with Ferrari, but its going to be fun

      2. Doug says:


        Yes, we all know that if Kimi starts to beat him on the track Alonso will spit out his dummy.

        Just wait for all his fans to start concocting fanciful links to McLaren’s spygate…Pat Fry gets his revenge on poor old Alonso at Ferrari etc! :-D

        This is going to be SO entertaining, great move Ferrari!

      3. Hero_was_senna says:

        I wonder if maria is an Alonso fan like Rob Newman..

      4. Rob Newman says:

        Even I thought about that :)

      5. Chromatic says:

        @Maria, that is probably inevitable But

        No one seems to have mentioned the real difference in this new situation. This will be the first time in his career that ALO has a team mate he RESPECTS.
        2007 he was paired with a rookie and he expected the team to acknowledge his own status as defending champ. Not unreasonable, but I think he learned from that.

        ALO is a very smart chap. He will know how to deal with KR.
        He will know there is only one way : beat Kimi every qualy and every race. This battle can only be won on the track. Political shennanigans and threats will cut no ice with Kimi.

    2. Rich B says:

      oops I meant wasted not waited

  7. BrawnGP says:

    Bring on 2014 wow what a year it will be watching these two amazing drivers battle for top honours.

    1. Wayne says:

      Great news isn’t it! If VET runs away with it again at least this should prove a year long talking point.

      I find it interesting that Ferrari have put together this dream team and will be the ones providing a good chunk of the excitmenet and discussion next year. RBR had the opportunity to do the same, in keeping with their brand image, and failed to do so. Nothing about the way RBR runs the team is in keeping with the brand image though is it?

      Again RBR not taking RAI will come off as VET being protected from all challengers (and it makes sense for RBR to do that but not on a fan-base, image level).

      I’ve really warmed to Ferrari over the past 5 or so years while I find nothing to like about RBR at all (now that WEB will be leaving).

      1. All revved-up says:

        I think RB management feel a bit caught out with this. No one there expects Kimi and Alonso to gel. Hence the “Ferrari could be a very strong challenger or they could tear apart” comment by RB.” I think RB management are hoping it’s the latter so that they keep their jobs.

        I was wrong too – I completely ruled out Kimi returning to a team that early terminated his services.

        2014 is looking very fascinating.

      2. Curt says:

        Not sure RBR have much time to spend trying to figure out ways to add to the excitement of F1. They’re too busy building trophy cases.

      3. Wayne says:

        If you don’t think they spend time thinking about their brand image (which is what I was clearly talking about) you might want to think again.

      4. Curt says:

        Yes, but their brand image is better served by going for a 5th straight constructor’s and driver’s championship next year than making sure that bored F1 fans can debate which of their two drivers is better.

  8. Luca says:

    I suspect you are a Liverpool fan, James. And so you are probably worried about how Sturridge will react to the return of Suarez for your beloved Reds. That sums up my concern for Fernando “family-man” Alonso. As I recall he did not handle the last sibling rivalry too well at McLaren … Fingers crossed the car is good enough to make this irrelevant.

    1. James Allen says:

      Sturbridge is a fine prospect but he is not yet the equivalent of Alonso..

      1. Equin0x says:

        Sturridge is no Suarez and this form is temporary, the cream always rise to the top at the end, and the equivalent to Alonso in world football is Cristiano Ronaldo.

      2. Rob Newman says:

        Agree with you. The cream rose to the top in 2010 and still there.

      3. KRB says:

        Do y’mean that he has great ability, but that he hasn’t garnered the number of titles proportionate to that ability?

      4. Doug says:

        Off topic!! :-D

      5. JCA says:

        Off topic, James, but what did you think of the NASCAR ‘crashgate’ at the weekend compared to F1? Do you think they are being overly relaxed and F1 were correct in deeling with it, or were F1 over the top and NASCAR are doing it correctly?

      6. NJ says:


        I think NASCAR is reacting more than F1 did. So many penalties, bans… even penalties for drivers not involved at all with the actual spin.

        Very bizarre result actually when the discussion originally only involved RCR drivers.

      7. NJ says:

        Sorry.. that’s MWR driver Clint Bowyer.. not RCR drivers

      8. JCA says:

        @NJ, I’m thinking more about the histrionics, the danger of injury or death to other drivers and marshals was the main moral, if not legal, charge against Flavio and Renault (in the media anyway), plus the attempt at lifetime bans, and the team was (is?) on probation, with the threat of expulsion from the sport.

        The NASCAR one is more framed around the sporting issue, i.e. accusations of cheating. (I believe that teammates in F1 would be allowed to slow down, or even retire, to get a championship advantage, as team orders are allowed.)

      9. NJ says:

        The NASCAR reaction though extended to potentially penalizing ANYONE who gained from Bowyer’s spin. That’s like going through the Singapore GP and penalizing everybody who gained places “potentially” from Piquet’s stunt.

        The “danger” issue is always a non-issue in NASCAR. No matter how many drivers die they only make marginal changes to the format. Bumping and Crashing deliberately are still legal moves.

    2. H.Guderian says:

      “he did not handle the last sibling rivalry too well at McLaren”.

      Of course, not. Sometimes in Q3, he was fighting against LEW with tyre pressures way below the specs.

      In Brazil, FIA had stewards checking ALO’s car to make sure McLaren not tampered anything.

      Ron Dennis saying: “We are basically racing Fernando”.


      1. jawsf1 says:

        where is the evidence for that??? i mean alonso isnt known now to be quick in quali & still gets out paced by a has been massa & he has the run of the team-i guss ferrari are tampering too:-D

      2. H.Guderian says:

        Sorry. Just FACTS.

      3. James W says:

        And where is the evidence for the fifty accusations a day made against Alonso on this and other sites?

        Ron gave the game away with his stupid radio comment. And just ask David Coulthard about how McLaren managed their drivers back then. There is a reason Coulthard is very generous to Alonso, especially on that specific subject.

      4. Tim says:


        You reap what you sow :-)

  9. Jimmi says:

    Kimi to Ferrari, Hulk to Lotus, Massa to Sauber? Or is Massa’s time done now?

    1. AuraF1 says:

      I’m sure he’d love to go back to Sauber and they’d be lucky to have his experience given the rules change and having a total teenage rookie in the other seat – sadly for Massa he isn’t a pay driver and I doubt Sauber can cough up even his reduced demands.

      I would love to see Massa continue away from the obviously soul crushing expectation to move over for alpha-male Alonso, but sadly I think he’s in that weird bracket where he’s no longer wanted at the very top teams, but he’s too experienced and talented to take a pay seat on one of the struggling teams.

      Given he’s not even as old as Webber, he’s got a long career ahead of him in another race formula. I just think F1 is saying goodbye now.

  10. 180110 says:

    Thats the constructor’s sewn up for Ferrari in 2014 provided a half decent car.

    Excited at the prospect of seeing one Ferrari chasing the other throughout the season. Hoping for Vettel to be a bit more frustrated at the competitiveness of Ricciardo and the two Ferraris in general. Hoping it brings out the best (or worst) in everybody.

    Hoping for an awesome season ahead.

    Raikkonen and Alonso
    Vettel and Ricciardo
    Hamilton and Rosberg
    Perez and Button
    Grosjean and Hulkenberg
    Maldonado and Bottas

    It should be good. Lets get this season over and done with quickly!

    1. Wayne says:

      McLaren, again, find themselves with the weakest driver pairing of the ‘top’ teams. I’d even say Lotus will have a better line-up.

      1. Anop says:

        Prost, Kimi, Fernando and Lewis have all left McLaren. Maybe it’s not the drivers but McLaren that make mistakes.

      2. Miha Bevc says:

        And Senna…

      3. 180110 says:

        Correct. And like some of the other teams, they should have looked into the future and maybe this was the time for Button’s Mclaren tenure to end. They’ve opted for continuity; will have to dish out a really good car..

      4. maria says:

        They should sack the hype bogus train Perez and hire the Hulk

      5. furstyferret says:


      6. ManOnWheels says:

        Perez brings Telmex money and Telmex money is badly needed now as they’ve lost Vodafone as their main sponsor and they’ve lost the Mercedes works team status, so they need to pay the engines until 2015 when Honda comes in. But Perez has raised his game in the last races and we know from his Sauber days, that he is able to perform very well given the situation suits his style, so he’s very good value for the money. I doubt McLaren could be happier with any other driver right at the moment.

      7. Sanjog says:

        ‘Bogus train Perez’ … :).. can’t stop laughing

      8. Torchwood Five says:

        While reeling from the shock that Lewis had decided to leave MacLaren after all, last year, when Perez’ name was mentioned as the replacement, the first thought in my head was “giant killer’.

        From the podiums that Sergio achieved last year, I certainly thought he was the perfect replacement, and the only negative clue at the time was Ferarri saying he was too inexperienced.

        Hard for me to judge his results this year, when on at least two occasions, he has been told by the team not to pass Jenson.

        Last year, I couldn’t really see what the Hulkenberg fuss was about; he and Di Resta seemed pretty close to each other’s perfomances over the season.

      9. Tim says:

        Please excuse my ignorance – what’s a hype bogus train?

      10. AuraF1 says:

        Nah, Grosjean still needs to show he’s a winner in a car that has won. Hulkenberg too. Though he’s probably going to beat Grosjean most of the time. You can dislike Button all you want but dismissing his ability to win is just going against the facts. He may not be in the top 3 tier, but he’s a WDC who can race very well (But qualifies fairly poorly – much like Raikonnen now and increasingly, it seems, Alonso).

      11. All revved-up says:

        Agree. McLaren seem to have played the driver market poorly compared to RB, Merc and Ferrari.

        Unless McLaren haven’t played their 2014 hand yet – Alonso back at McLaren!

        I would have laughed that off – but with the Kimi Ferrari return, I realize it’s me who has been too closed minded to the possibilities.

        It makes no sense to pour so much resources and money building a good car unless the team has competitive drivers. Button is good but even he would admit he won the WDC because he had a double diffuser and the competition didn’t. Perez is proving to be a Button thereabouts.

        I think McLaren really need an Alonso.

      12. quest says:

        Instead of working on strengthening his own driver lineup, Whitmarsh was busy speculating that Kimi won’t be able to move from Lotus.

        Even last year, in a bid to one up Hamilton, he went out and signed Perez, when the smart thing would have been to take time and weigh all options.

        Hulk would be much better.

      13. Tornillo Amarillo says:

        Checo will be Champion in 2015. I guess.

  11. Abhiram says:

    This will be a real powerhouse of a team and the tide is going to get rough for Alonso who was clearly brought in with a mandate to recreate the magic of the dominant Schumacher + Ferrari era. Definitely see power/ ego struggles in the season ahead for the Alonso Raikkonen combine though it will make some very exciting viewing for a Ferrari fan!

  12. TGS says:

    Oh my science, this is absolutely huge, but I guess expected by now. The pressure is really on Ricciardo now.

    1. Charlie says:


      Hadn’t thought about that…

    2. AuraF1 says:

      That’s a very good point actually – Perez at McLaren got the grace period of a few years to catch up to Jenson, they more or less said they didn’t expect him to do well yet. Ricciardo will be fighting for the constructors championship and having to at least match Webber, if not vastly outpeform his countrymate to ensure they get the points tally…

      Could RBR, in trying to protect their prized WDC asset have impacted their WCC chances? Interesting thought…

    3. Kirk says:

      Agree, he has to do his best to pair Vettel and scores all points he can, if he don’t deliver Red Bull will eat his shoes as they had the first chance to get Kimi, but I think he will do a good job, if the Red Bull is as good as today it won’t be a problem but if Ferrari is closer or better…

    4. All revved-up says:

      Spot on. Management at RB who were caught by surprise will pray that Ferrari “tear each other apart” and put lots of pressure on Ricciardo, to justify their decision.

      If RB doesn’t win WCC, their pointer finger will be pointed at Ricciardo (with their middle, ring and little finger pointing back at themselves!).

      Of course if Ricciardo does well and RB cruises to 1-2 finishes and both championships – RB will be seen as geniuses!

      1. Stephen Taylor says:

        Just imagine if Ferrari get the car wrong though.

    5. Anne says:

      The pressure is on Vettel. He is the one who will have to deal with 2 Ferrari and 2 Mercedes drivers all by himself. I hope I´m wrong but I don´t see Ricciardo challenging anyone. I mean I don´t see Ricciardo not even beating Rosberg much less any of the other top drivers.

      1. Timmay says:

        Thats the opposite of pressure – if Vettels car is good enough then the other teams will take points off eachother while he is always say 4th at worst – a lot like in 2012. Advantage Vettel – infact I’d say Big Advantage Vettel for 2014.

    6. Tornillo Amarillo says:

      The pressure in each driver, they have now 1 or 2 years only to convince the team for keeping a seat. There are many fast drivers everywhere…

  13. What’s the most likely scenario for Massa, then? Leave F1? I can see Hulk all setup for Lotus, according to most analysts.

    1. Steve Zodiac says:

      Wouldn’t it be good if Ferrari produce sh*t car next year, Massa goes to Lotus, who make a good one, and kicks their collective arses

      1. Glennb says:

        Well, we can dream can’t we? ;)

  14. Andy Truelove says:

    Hi James

    Do you have any news on whether Rob Smedley will leave with Felipe or stay on to engineer Kimi? Can’t see Kimi responding to “driver coaching” without a few expletives!


    1. AuraF1 says:

      C’mon Kimi-baby, there’s an ice-cream van round the next corner…

    2. Eric says:

      I would expected that Rob Smedley would be promoted to another role within Ferrari. I think he has done a great job with Massa and this has been appreciated by Ferrari. Massa moving on now means that Rob can move to a new role.

    3. Hero_was_senna says:

      It makes laugh, engineers that coach their driver number exactly one. You don’t honestly think Kimi or Alonso fall in that bracket do you.
      Apart from any other reason, this was the main one for getting rid of him, he made Ferrari look like a comedy finishing school for drivers!

    4. Marpabel says:

      There are no marks yet, but I hope that Mark Slade come with Kimi.

    5. Joe Sixpack says:

      Kimi Baby, be cool! We’re bringing you the vanilla ice cream!

  15. Sri says:

    Happy for Hulk and Kimi. Hopefully in 2014, Lotus car will be good for Hulk and Ferrari car for Kimi. Kimi definitely is worth more than a single race victory per season (2012 and YTD) and a good Ferrari car will make him realize that. A couple of years for Hulk in Lotus and he will move to a bigger team when Kimi/Button retires (or even Alonso).
    I have watched F1 for last 15 years and I think this is the best pairing I’ve ever seen. Hamilton-Alonso in 2007 turned out to be good in hindsight, but it was not thought to be so in the beginning of the season. Button-Hamilton is not as good as Alonso-Raikkonen. So this is a super-team in more than a decade at least. WDC challengers in 2005, 2007, 2012 and 2013 are getting paired up!

    1. Harshad says:

      Add 2003 to that :)

      1. Sri says:

        I don’t think Alonso was in contention in 2003. It was Montoya, Kimi and Schumi.

  16. Andrew S says:

    Alonso “Hey Kimi this is the Ferrrari Factory”
    Kimi “Yes yes yes leave me alone I know what I’m doing”

    Sorry couldnt resist….

    Great news for the show that is F1 – will be extremely interesting to see how this pans out with two former world champions that are equally capable of becoming world champion again.

    1. Sarvar says:

      Alonso “Hey Kimi this is the Ferrrari Factory”
      Kimi: “Yup, been there, seen there before you dude”)))

      1. Olli K says:

        Alonso “Hey Kimi this is the Ferrrari Factory”
        Kimi: “Yup, been WDC there!!!”

    2. Geenimetsuri says:

      Alonso “Hey Kimi this is the Ferrrari Factory”
      ~Kimi silently points at his WDC plaque~

      1. marcelo says:

        Haha. Good one!

      2. Anop says:

        Alonso “Hey Kimi this is the Ferrrari Factory”
        ~Kimi silently points at his WDC plaque~
        ~Alonso then lifts both his WDC trophies in his hand~

      3. Angelina says:


  17. Dan says:


    I could not be more pleased. Having these two in a team together is going to create fireworks and excitement. The “lead driver” scenario has grown tiresome, in any and all teams. To see these two race equal machinery will be spectacular.

  18. Vivek says:

    Super. This should have happened in 2010, but must appreciate Ferrari for their loyalty to Massa in the aftermath of Hungary 2009.

    Massa has been a good driver for Ferrari and been very dignified all through these years.

    Bring on 2014 !

    Now if Only Vettel & Hamilton can form another super team …..

    1. Sarvar says:

      At Spa VET and HAM were chatting pretty good and Lewis’ recent comments about VET were way positive so who knows me may see Mercedes become another super team in 2015

      1. Tealeaf says:

        Lol not in a million years, Seb would rather take a seat at Ferrari and emulate Schumi than join Brackley, a very inconsistent team, maybe Kimi and Fernando will fade and Vettel and Hamilton replace them, certainly faster drivers the Vettel/Hamilton pairing but maybe not quite as calculating as Alonso/Raikkonen, certainly younger though..

      2. I know says:

        The way Brawn and Lauda have been talking about Vettel lately, it is clear that they’d like to have him in their car. For their sponsor, Mercedes, having the German world champion race for them would be a dream.

        Neither Nico Rosberg nor Lewis Hamilton are near retirement age though, and an unfriendly departure of Nico would not be in Mercedes’ interest. If the Mercedes car is competitive, neither of them will want to leave, but if it isn’t, Vettel won’t want to join – difficult to see a way out. For that reason, I think a move of Vettel to Ferrari is more likely, but if an opportunity presents itself at Mercedes, I would not rule it our.

        Vettel could certainly seek assurances about investment in the team, and if Mercedes are willing to spend on who will highest earning driver, they’ll make sure he also gets a competitive car.

        If Red Bull are as good next year as they are this year, there is no need for Vettel to move (and it was smart to stick with RB for 2013, as no team was likely to catch them under current regulations, while a move for 2015 before the effect of the new rules is known would have been premature). However, if Mercedes and / or Ferrari are at least equal to RB in 2014, I predict that Vettel will take his services elsewhere.

      3. SteveS says:

        Hamilton’s contract also expires at the end of 2015, so how about this scenario: they both move to McLaren-Honda for 2016? They would really be the re-incarnation of Senna and Prost at McLaren-Honda back in 1988. Classic!

    2. Anne says:

      I also like the idea of Vettel going to Mercedes to team up with Hamilton.

    3. Alexander Supertramp says:

      Vettel/Hamilton at Mercedes in 2015. Let’s start the campaign!

      1. Sanjog says:

        Vettel will come to Ferrari.. don’t worry about that

      2. James Allen says:

        Timing lines up

        Vettel contract is to the end of 2015

      3. Bart says:

        … and Montezemolo rates Vettel highly and said only positive things about him. Vettel would love to go there at a certain point. Things fall into place. A perfect marriage.

      4. Pete says:

        Isn’t kimi s contact for two years? So till 2016?

      5. Anop says:

        Timing lines up for one seat. Not sure Vettel will try to take it until the other seat is occupied at least till 2016 by Fernando.

      6. Bullish says:

        yes two years. 2014 & 2015. Kimi’s contract could always be terminated early again….

      7. Mac says:

        Yes, Vettel with Kimi. Alonso will move on before that happens. Did anyone notice Briatore’s scary face in TV at Monza? I think he has just learned Kimi is coming to Ferrari and is threat to his golden boy. Remember, Briatore was only team leader against Kimi’s super license at the time and he’s always been negative towards Kimi. Why do you think that is?

      8. Prashant P says:

        But can they afford him?

        He will be at least a 4 times world champion, maybe even 5+. This will make him very expensive for any team to lure him away.

        I know Ferrari have had the cash in the past to make big deals, like their current one with Alonso – but will they be in the same position financially in 2015 when the deal will have to be done?

    4. I know says:

      I think this is a win-win situation for Ferrari and Raikkonen: Ahead of a major regulation change, the “safe bet” is always with the team that has the highest budget, so even if the current cars are quite well matched, Raikkonen has a better chance to be competitive in a 2014 Ferrari than a 2014 Lotus.

      For Ferrari, this means they have now two experienced drivers. If their car is good, but one of the drivers wants out, they can always sign Vettel for 2015/2016.

      1. Michael S says:

        very well said… I too think this is the ideal year…

  19. Antti says:

    Any inside information on what made the deal happen? Did Allison lure Kimi back to Ferrari, or inform him that next year’s Ferrari might be a good challenger? Is Mark Slade going follow Kimi to Ferrari?

    We will be treated with some great racing for the next couple of seasons!

    1. Ronnie says:


    2. Ron says:

      Yes James Allison vauched for Kimi. See the autosport article here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109817

  20. CYeo says:

    On the open radio:

    “Kimi, Fernando is faster than you.”

    “Tell him to wait his turn! I’m driving, don’t disturb me!”

    I suppose part of Kimi’s contract contains a clause for a large supply of Coke and ice cream for after race refreshment?

    Kimi back wearing red, who would have thought?

    1. Sebastian says:

      Martin Brundle nailed this one:

      “Kimi, Fernando is faster than you”

      “Then why isn’t he in front of me on the track”

    2. Ruse says:

      “Kimi, Fernando is faster than your”

      “Tell him I’ll take my foot off the brake when I’m ready”

    3. Kirk says:

      In an scenery where Massa gets the Sauber seat:

      Stefano: Fernando, Felipe is faster than you
      Alonso: What? Do you mean Kimi?
      Stefano: No you genius, Kimi is ahead of you, Felipe in the Sauber is faster, we want you to push!
      Alonso: Mamma mia!

    4. Richard says:

      isn’t that mid-race refreshment!? especially if it’s a bit damp..!

  21. Mocho_Pikuain says:

    This is great for Ferrari… and Alonso. Maybe he doesnt like this now, but personally I think he is going to beat Kimi and not by a small margin, and when he does, people (ALL the people) is going to have to admit how immensely good Alonso is.

    1. Harshad says:

      Sorry, whoever wins the battle among-st them will not win it by a big margin. Neither of those guys are pushovers to be beaten convincingly.

      1. Mocho_Pikuain says:

        If by “big” you mean something similar to the difference we have seen between Alo and Mas the past years I agree, but there is some margin between that and a small margin. I predict a difference of 30-50 points at the end of the year with Alo ahead.

      2. Yago says:

        I’m not so sure about that…

    2. Col says:

      I think most people will happily admit how immensely good Alonso is. I think you might be the one that has to admit how immensely good Kimi is though…

      1. Mocho_Pikuain says:

        He is! Of course Kimi is awesome, that is part of my point!
        But I had in mind the kind of people that says Alo is a bad qualy driver, that can’t handle presure, that needs to be nº1, etc.

    3. maria says:

      Then be prepared for humble pie. Kimi will toast Alonso. He couldn’t even handle a boy in 2007

      1. Anop says:

        No point in discussing 2007. Only few people know the truth about what happened behind McLaren doors. Maybe James is one of them.

        “Kimi will toast Alonso” sounds similar to “Lewis will toast Jenson” a few years back. Lets wait and watch if it’s true this time.

      2. H.Guderian says:


        He was not able to beat MASSA (and sometimes GROS). How do you expect him beating Alonso???

      3. Jimbob says:

        To be fair, the Massa Kimi was racing was a completely different animal to the ‘post crash’ Massa who Alonso has been up against.

        And Grosjean is damn fast when he strings it together… Possibly the fastest.

        I do agree that Alonso will probably still beat Kimi though, it just won’t be a complete white wash as it is with Massa.

      4. Stephen Taylor says:

        Massa was a very different driver in 08 compared to now.

    4. Joel says:

      I do agree. Qualifying makes a big difference, esp when teams are pretty much evenly matched. This will expose FA; if Kimi beats him fairly and will confirm Ferrari’s suspicion on FA’s weaker quali strength. On a race day, I still think FA will come out on top.

      1. Stephen Taylor says:

        What in every race?

    5. Charlie says:

      All depends on the car and the assistance given to each driver by the team. Think back to 2005 when Montoya (who was rapid in a Williams) just couldn’t deal with the oversteer in the Mclaren. He said in a very candid interview with F1 Racing Magazine that he simply didn’t understand how Kimi did it.

      No doubt Alonso is good, but Kimi is potentially faster…potentially. Still, Kimi hasn’t been in a car that he can regularly qualify at the front of the grid since the 2007 regulations. 2008 became about wringing the neck of the car in qualifying (hence Massa and Hamilton did well) and then following the car in front home in a procession.

      After the “steering issues” Kimi said he was having in the Lotus last year were sorted out mid-season he began to regularly outqualify Grosjean.

      The point is, if the car’s right, Kimi is an absolute master in it. If not, then not so much (until race day when he tends to find a sweet spot over long runs). Alonso is the most malleable driver on the grid, so the advantage is with him. But I can’t imagine Kimi signing for Ferrari (and leaving a team in which he had “artistic control” so to speak) without assurances that Ferrari will try and build a car to his liking.

      Whatever the change was to the car in 2008, it ruined Kimi’s season (and his career to some extent). Conspiracy theorists believe that the Ferrari team began to undermine Kimi via the way they developed the car knowing that Santander was coming in. This is perhaps a bit far fetched…

      Regardless, the way the car was developed played to Massa’s strengths, not Kimi’s (the exact opposite of what’s happened with Kimi and Grosjean at Lotus). If Ferrari want a rapid Raikkonen they’ll develop the car to suit him and let Alonso adapt. If they don’t, expect Kimi to “lose motivation” and quit at the end of the 2014 season.

      It’s up to Ferrari.

      1. Mocho_Pikuain says:

        But Alonso is not idiot, he knows he must start playng his cards from now on and try to make a car that suits him the most. If Ferrari starts 2014 with a car made for Alonso and not so for Kimi (quite probable), changing that is going to be quite difficult if they want to keep the pace. Kimi is not the kind of man that visits the factory every week and can not work on the simulator, so Alonso has the upper hand here. Still, liked your answer!

        PD: Would be good if someone could tell how different are Alonso and Kimi driving styles, I believe they are quite different, but not sure.

      2. Tealeaf says:

        Ferrari are just keeping seat warm for Vettel’s arrival, I’m sure a $50million yearly salary + bonus and endorsements and a number 1 status would win Seb’s drive, that way Luca undermines Alonso even further like the way Ron Dennis did, if Kimi beats Alonso expect Alonso to be sacked as he would have no leverage just like at McLaren.

      3. H.Guderian says:

        Keep dreaming and pray (A LOT) to not see VET and ALO (or LEW or KIM) on the same team.

      4. Pauli H says:

        Hey Charlie! Just to let you know that at least Mika Hakkinen thinks that new turbo-era cars will suit Kimi’s smoother driving style better than Alonso’s more aggressive style. Mika being a double world champion should know a thing or two about racing F1 cars. Also Alllison and Kimi seemed to work pretty well together at Lotus in developing the race car.

      5. Charlie says:

        I hope he’s right!

      6. Phil Glass says:

        Actually I don’t believe the steering issue was ever sorted out completely to KR’s satisfaction, but he made the best of it.

        Also in his first year at Ferrari he had to do a lot of work [yes! Kimi did work hard!] with the engineers to understand the car, hence his stellar second half of 2007, which enabled him to win the title. All this was related by Jean Todt.

      7. MelB says:

        You are spot on, Charlie!

      8. Charlie says:

        Thanks Mel!!!

      9. Spinodontosaurus says:

        Actually I believe it was the inherent UNDERSTEER in the McLaren was what Montoya couldn’t handle;
        (skip to 2:50)

        Great post nonetheless.

      10. Charlie says:

        Ah, touché…and thank you :)

    6. Sasidharan says:

      Kimi & Alonso taking points from each other. Vettel getting crowned for 5th Time. Ferrari getting Constructor (if there is no spygate2)

      1. Anne says:

        And both can take points away from Vettel if they win the races. Oh! We could add Hamilton to the mix as well.

      2. Siobhan says:

        This pair could possibly be a Hamilton/button pairing. Each taking point of each other while Vettel and Hamilton are 1,2 in the drivers championship. Riccardo needs to finish 5th (minimum) to let RB get the double and let the rest fight it out amongst themselves. I can’t see Alonso or Kimi been an “after you, no after you” type driver.

    7. H.Guderian says:

      JUST PERFECT!!!!


    8. Aussie in London says:

      I think it will also give Vettel pause for thought too. The focus on who is better than who at Ferrari will be so great that people might dismiss Vettel, no matter what he does.

      As a Ferrari fan, a fan of these two drivers, and F1, I am so glad they made this move… so much so I just want 2013 to be over and start 2014 now!

  22. kfzmeister says:

    Raikkonen has proved that he can win “given the machinery”.

    This is a very important point when you consider it. Whether you think in terms of what Alonso has had the last four years and what it means if both are given it in the coming two years.

    1. Jimbob says:

      Yeah, I really like Kimi and think he’s brilliant but doubt he’ll be a faster qualifier than Massa… He’ll just be much more consistent in races.

      Alonso will beat him but Kimi won’t care which will make them the perfect and most devastating driver pairing on the grid by a long way.

    2. Charlie says:

      My point exactly (in my reply to post 21).

  23. Mamma Mia says:

    Will be interesting to watch Alonso self destruct.

    1. Sebee says:

      Not necessarily self distruct, but it will be interesting to watch.

      Has Alonso grown? Has he learned from the McLaren episode?

      It will be interesting to watch. There are so many story lines. Including, will Red Bull regret in 2014 not having to neutralized potentially 2 competitors in Ferrari and Lotus with a Kimi move? I’m still OK with the Daniel move, but in 2014 we will see if that Kimi decision would have made life easier for RBR or not.

    2. RogerD says:

      What? Are you saying that Alonso is Finnished?? Boom! Boom!

    3. Horno says:

      `These two will motivate each other sky high!

      1. Sanjog says:

        Or blow the team sky high ! Either way, its gonna be a hell of a ride at Ferrari next year

    4. maria says:

      LOL so true. Macca boys will laugh to their heart’s content with “told you so!”

      1. Richard says:

        *So* not going to happen. Lewis was the spoilt child in the ’07 scenario, given stupendous machinery, in which he effectively made a very rookie error in China that lost the championship to Ferrari.

        I don’t think I’m overstating things if I say that Fernando would definitely have won the ’07 WDC had McLaren actually given Fernando what he needed to win. They gave Lewis everything and he lost it by sliding into a gravel trap very unceremoniously – and I mean no ill will here, just he was a rookie and Alonso knew it wasn’t wise to back him in the same way.

        Kimi is not Lewis. He won’t care about any team hand-holding he’ll just race the car he’s given and work to make it suit him as always. So Alonso will be free to work his way, and Kimi free to work his way too.

        Fire and Ice.


      2. Hansb says:

        Fire and Ice… nice one !

      3. Anop says:

        Very good comment. You know your F1 Richard. Way to go!

      4. Torchwood Five says:

        China wasn’t Lewis’ error.

        He radio’d to be brought in as his tires no longer had grip.

        Team ignored the request initially, and when they finally allowed him to come in, the lack of grip that he had warned about, put him in the gravel.

      5. Richard C says:

        I guess my point was that Kimi wouldn’t have waited for the team, he’d have just driven in to the pits for new tyres!

      6. KRB says:

        Richard, do you really believe that Kimi would have just driven into the pits, disregarding the team’s message, in 2002 in his first season with McLaren (and 2nd in F1)?

        I seriously doubt it. A driver has to trust their team, and in China 2007 McLaren badly let down their lead driver, needlessly.

  24. Anne says:

    Welcomeback Kimi!!! I wish you the best of luck.

    The one that has to be very happy is Bernie. I expect huge t.v. audience and sold out tickets even in Korea with this Ferrari lineup next year.

    As far as personal relationships goes. Well Luca will be the referee. He will have no problem showing yellow cards or even red cars if it´s necesary. I think both Alonso and Raikkonen know this so they will try to avoid trouble

    1. MLB says:

      This is absolutely true, Kimi and FA are easily the two most popular and exciting personalities in F1 right now, and they will generate huge interest from fans who are bored with the status quo of VET and RB and want to see drivers they are passionate about fighting for personal glory.

  25. Aj says:

    Unbelievable…just unbelievable!!!

  26. Marc S. says:

    “jigsaw”… who proofs these anyway?

    1. Joe says:

      What’s wrong with “jigsaw”?

      1. Marc S. says:

        Absolutely nothing… there was a typo originally that was fixed.

  27. Harshad says:

    Congrats Kimi and Congrats Ferrari.
    Ferrari have made the bold move but it does make sense because RBR next year will have an unknown quantity in Ricciardo and I think both of these two will get better of Rosberg. That leaves Vettel and Hamilton to do bulk of the work if RBR/Mercedes are to win WCC.

    Now, Ferrari, please do 2 things correct;
    1) First and Foremost provide these 2 with a car to take on the field right from the start!!
    2) Keep Alonso in check! given their track record all these years, it is more likely that **if there are** Fireworks it will most likely be from Alonso’s end.

    As a Fan of F1, lets hope this goes down very well and we see a great but sporting competition between these two.

    Suddenly F1 has become very interesting again!

    1. Tealeaf says:

      Who says Ricciardo and Rosberg will just roll over? lets not forget Rosberg is actually quite close to Hamilton and Ricciardo has proven he is super quick and a definite threat to the title if he settles in quick at RBR much like Hamilton did at McLaren, don’t forget Alonso and Raikkonen are past their prime now and the only way is down, we shall see what happens.

      1. Harshad says:

        When did I say RIC/ROS are will just roll over?

        They are both are quick in Qualifying trim but when it comes to race trim; RIC is still unknown and ROS lacks the steely determination to be a champion. ROS seems like a driver who will deliver “on his day”, which is stark contrast to what you can expect from HAM/VET.

        Hence, I think Ferrari have taken a bold but correct decision in hiring Kimi Alongside Alonso.

      2. Anne says:

        Ricciardo super quick? He never won a podium nor he ever qualify in the top 3. Ricciardo is consistant and reliable. He is not clumpsy like Grosjean or Perez are. But that´s not enough to win races.

      3. Glennb says:

        Ah yes, I see your point Anne. The Toro Rosso is such a great car that RIC / JEV should have been fighting for poles and podiums / wins. Total waste of a championship contending car.

      4. Anne says:

        Hulkenberg in a Force India won the pole last year in Brazil and just last weekend qualified in P3 in a Sauber. Bottas in a sorry Williams also qualified in P3 in Canada. When Vettel was a Toro Rosso driver won a race.

        I´m not asking Ricciardo and Vergne to be contenders. But I´d like to see something impressive from them once in a while.

      5. NickH says:

        on what evidence are they past their prime??

  28. Viva Alonso says:


  29. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    Fantastic. This, in my view, will be the strongest team pairing since 1989…

  30. djmwr says:

    The Ice (Cream) Man returns.

    Looking forward to him ruffling Alonso’s feathers!

    1. maria says:

      It will be more than that. It will end in tears for Alonso.

      1. James W says:

        Ron? Is that you?

      2. Spinodontosaurus says:

        Tears of joy?

    2. Rob Newman says:

      … and the refrigerator!

      1. Sanjog says:

        Can already imagine Stefano stocking up the Vodka and ice cream cones :P

  31. yassin says:

    Just as Kimi did not go to Red Bull, I have a funny feeling Hulkenburg is not going to end-up at Lotus.

    1. Tealeaf says:

      Who’s going to Lotus then?

      1. yassin says:

        Massa, with more experience than Hulk. That being said if the Sergai from Russsia is confirmed then Hulk will be an option for Lotus.

    2. Ruse says:

      Hulk to McLaren.. oh, why not!

    3. DK says:

      Because he may not get paid …again?

  32. Greenfield says:

    This is the best decision Ferrari has made in years. When they brought in Alonso in 2009, they should have partnered him with Raikkonen and I am sure this combination would have reduced the Red Bull domination. Massa is a good driver but not good enough for Ferrari. Maybe if he had decided to leave earlier he would have had the chance to partner Vettel at Red Bull. Now the most likely team he will drive for is Sauber – back to his roots I guess, though there is the odd chance he could join Lotus or even Torro Rosso, seeing his affinity to Italy. Wish him all the best! Forza Ferrari!

  33. Horno says:

    From this moment onwards, I have a big problem; because I do not know who to choose..
    Alonso or Raikkonen, I like them both..

    Next year will be thrilling!

    1. maria says:

      ALonso will make it easy for you with the start of his whining. You know who you will like more afterwards, I don’t have name the driver.

      1. krischar says:

        There are plenty of other drivers who better whinners and sulkers in the GRID

        If you like to know, i can let you know

    2. Robb says:

      I never choose a driver, the driver chooses me.

      Just start watching, and at some point you’ll find yourself wanting to see one driver do well more than the other, and then you’ll have your answer.

  34. Sarvar says:

    Awesome news, you re right James, a super team.

    ALO has learnt his lessons from LDM’s genius: a driver should drive and stay out of politics.

    Kimi’s side of garage seems to welcome him with a banner “Benvenuto a casa il nostro campione”.

    1. maria says:

      He hasn’t learnt anything if you have been watching what he had to say to his great ferrari family. Calling them idiots or even implying thus is not great for “family” feelys.

      1. krischar says:

        Why Alonso need to learn ?

        He is the one who performed and delivered results on track for Ferrari. Whereas the entire team failed to deliver and slept ever since 2009 to this point

        How a Manufacturer can be beaten by drinks company when it comes to the Quickest car and IN season development for the last 5 seasons ?

        All the time Stefano pointed the blame on wind tunnel callibarations. Many from the technical crew has been fired. Too many novice and operational errors by the team

        Remember this “without FERNANDO and his performances Ferrari are only a mid table team at best nothing else”

        Alonso has every right to reflect or showcase his frustations at the incompetent Ferrari team

      2. I will says:

        What do you expect from a driver who is paid the highest salary? A mediocr drive? NO. That is why they employ him, paid him big, and through all the support.
        Don’t portray as if he literally carry the car around the circuit every Sunday.

      3. Marpabel says:

        You are Alonso fan and I’m Kimis fan, and we have to admit, that we can’t never-never to be the 100% impartial. That’s life (or allmost religion). Mostly we saw what we want to see!

        Our only hope is that Alonso and Kimi work nicely together next year.

  35. **Paul** says:

    I look forward to seeing how this one works out. It’s not great news for Fernando, because I can’t see Kimi pulling over in race 2 of the season to let him past or take a gearbox pen for him, he’ll have to work for his wins as though there is only one Ferrari now, much like Mark Webber doesn’t give Vettel anything and Button didn’t help Lewis last year. That’s a positive I think.

    I expect the two Ferrari guys to be rather close in performance next year.

    1. krischar says:

      “It’s not great news for Fernando, because I can’t see Kimi pulling over in race 2 of the season to let him past or take a gearbox pen for him”

      Funny Isn’t ? Kimi to beat Alonso who has in turn trounced massa for years. Whereas massa who clearly wipped the floor with kimi

      Get real and do not draw too much based on 2007

      1. Harshad says:

        If you are saying;
        Alonso beat Massa;
        Massa beat Kimi;
        So Alonso beats Kimi—–>m8 this logic is applicable in boxing terms, not in motorsports.

        And oh yeah, same Kimi has beaten Massa in 2012/2013 in slower/inferior machinery.

  36. kally says:

    Cant wait to watch alonso being exposed!

    1. Tealeaf says:

      Alonso has already been exposed before, first by Trulli at Renault and then Hamilton at McLaren, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was ‘exposed’ yet again, Luca wants Alonso to suffer you can see this now, maybe they replace Alonso with Vettel when they kick him out after 2014 or 2015.

    2. krischar says:

      @ Kally

      You can watch in your dreams.

      I repeat this only in your dreams

      Anti-alonso fans are out in full force here and have sure hope that kimi can topple alonso – Really Hilarious

      Funny people here to say the least

    3. H.Guderian says:

      So you didn’t watch Alonso being “exposed” to Schummy, right??? LOL!!!

  37. Avi says:

    Alonso and Raikkonen along with technical director James Allison (one of the most highly regarded design engineer apart from Adrian Newey) and Rory Byrne (chief designer from the Schumacher era), all in the same team. This has to be a modern day super-team.

    1. H.Guderian says:

      But they have LdM and Dom.

  38. Scuderia McLaren says:

    “Fernando, Kimi is faster than you…”

    I am just picturing Alonso, sitting on the floor in a small dark room, smoking and listening to The Doors – The End on repeat.


  39. Sebee says:

    Hey Fernando, check it out – my WDC trophy says Ferrari on it! :-)


    OK, I was wrong. I guess after all the Alonso drama, Ferrari had to show him that he and his sponsor are not bigger than Ferrari.

    My goodness, please oh please don’t let Kimi be treated like a #1. Will we for once see fair treatment of both drivers at Ferrari? Enzo, make it so from above!

    1. Sebee says:

      I meant like a #2. Obviously my fingers aren’t allowing me to refer to Kimi as a possible #2 until this forced correction.

      1. Rob Newman says:

        You almost gave me a heart attack there! :)

    2. Ding wamage says:

      I think Shell is a big sponsor, too. And one of Ferrari’s oldest sponsors. If it’s true that they’ve insisted on Kimi, he should have quite a bit of sponsor leverage too.

      1. Sebee says:

        I can see the commercial right now.

        Kimi pulls into a Shell station in his 458, red as it should be.

        Of course with his wife – we’re not substituting the passanger incorrectly. While his wife fills up the 458 with Premium Shell fuel, the only fuel recommended by Ferrari, Kimi goes into a shop and before going ask his wife, “Sweety, would you like an ice cream too?”

        Fade to black, text says “Shell, the ultimate pit stop”.

        Thank you, I’ve just won the Oscar for best commercial.

      2. Stephen Taylor says:

        Just a small note Kimi has separated from his wife.

      3. Sebastian says:

        Ain’t gonna happen. Kimi is divorced.

      4. Sebee says:

        Oh snap. I don’t follow personal lives really. In this case I guess random passanger will do then!

      5. Glennb says:

        Why can’t his wife go in and get the ice creams after she finishes filling up the 458? I fail to see why Kimi needs to get out the car at all.

      6. Anne says:

        Just the other day I was watching Eurosport. There was a Kimi commercial. He was driving a Renault. And no wife, nor girlfriend there,no hot Victoria´s Secret supermodel either. Just an old and fat fisherman alongside Kimi.


      7. James Allen says:

        Do you think he might start bringing him to races? ;)

      8. Anne says:

        Here, the Kimi/Renault commercial.
        P.S. The fisherman could be Roscoe´s caretaker at any given race


      9. Elie says:

        I have no idea why the co that makes Magnums ( is it Peters) haven’t approached Kimi for Sponsorship- can imagine how much they would sell

      10. Ding wamage says:

        I hate myself for this message, but here are photos of his newish girlfriend. They were already fighting over drinks in August in some bar in Helsinki, so it must be serious.

        Maybe they could make an advert with these two having a shouting match about which service station to stop at. Kimi could whine about not being able to afford any of them because of ridiculously high fuel prices. The lady could then drive to Shell and suggest Kimi change to a job where he gets paid on time.


      11. Elie says:

        “They were already fighting over drinks in August in some bar in Helsinki, so it must be serious.”- this!!- love it
        Stunning- she looks hard core like Kimi-a good match.

        Stroke of genius and one of the better suggestive posts here – good-on-ya

    3. Wade Parmino says:

      Had Alonso gone to Ferrari in 2007 instead of McLaren, he too would have won the championship and, unlike Raikkonen would have followed it up with another championship in 2008. Raikkonen can consistently get a car to finish where it should. Alonso can consistently get a car to punch well above it’s weight.

      1. Sebee says:


        McLaren in 2007 had a bullet car. Not sure how much SpyGate helped them, but they were fast. Kimi in that 2007 car would have been formidable. Lesser driver like Heiki would have perhaps meant that the team would have backed Lewis early and thus would have won the WDC for McLaren no issues without the team mate drama. 2007 could have gone a number of ways really.

        And lets rememeber – bottom line is Kimi was in the Ferrari. Just like Mark is in the RBR now and isn’t winning WDCs. Assumption that Alonso would have won in 2007 Ferrari is just that. Fact is – he lost in 2007, in good part due to his impatience in Hungary, which blew the whole thing up in his face. And here we are 4 years later, no WDC for Alonso/Ferrari. The one Kimi won thanks to Alonso’s lack of discretion at McLaren is coming back to haunt him like a bad burrito!

      2. KRB says:

        Hmm, the 2007 McLaren and Ferrari were very evenly matched:

        Wins: Ferrari 9-8 McLaren
        Poles: Ferrari 9-8 McLaren
        Podiums: McLaren 24-22 Ferrari
        FLaps: Ferrari 12-5 McLaren (FLaps meant something in 2007 in refueling era)
        Laps led: McLaren 524-512 Ferrari

      3. Sebee says:

        Interesting KRB. As even as you can get really. When faced with this data, clearly it over rules my memory!

        However, as for my point about WDC, may I present you with another set of stats?

        2007 wins:
        Kimi: 6
        Lewis: 4
        Alonso: 4

        What happens to the Kimi WDC if McLaren back 1 driver and he delivers all the wins? And so like Wayne like to point out, had McLaren backed 1 bird, they would have flown away with WDC in 2007.

        Now let’s watch our back. goferet may come after us for presenting stats/data! You first, because yours was more detailed. :-)

      4. Sebee says:

        Just realized that your stats conclude Massa also won 3, so my point about WDC is mute. Damn it, I hate it when that happens right after I finish a comment!

    4. Fireman says:

      See, I told you, Sebee! Sometimes F1 is about racing :D

      1. Sebee says:

        Sometimes indeed!

        Let’s see how it all works out. Ferrari aren’t exactly used to treating both drivers equaly. I’m actually wondering if they have the ability technically to build two identical performing cars. :-)

        Alonso is established 4 season vet, who has talked the team down. Would love to see if the team would stand in front of a bullet for him. Meanwhile, Kimi is the “new” guy with whom many at Ferrari have fond memories of a WDC win…and I don’t recall Kimi talking down the team. Did he?

    5. Richard says:

      Won’t Alonso just point at *both* of his WDC trophies?!

      1. Sebee says:

        Are you trying to convince us that:
        2x Renault WDCs is = or > than 1x Ferrari WDC?

      2. Anne says:

        Uh? Always 2 championships are better than 1 for anyone at any sport.

      3. H.Guderian says:

        Of course!!!!

      4. KRB says:

        Anne, for the wider public yes. But Sebee’s saying how they’re viewed within the Ferrari camp only.

      5. Sebee says:

        That’s right KRB, at Ferrari WDCs are nice, but Ferrari WDCs are nicest, even if fewer.

      6. Anne says:

        Ok then so from the Ferrari´s perspective Raikkonen´s 1 championship is bigger than Vettel´s 3 championships because winning with Ferrari is more important than winning with RB. Is that what you´re saying? Hilarious!!!

  40. Harshad says:

    In terms of other drivers….
    1) Hulk moves to Lotus to partner Grosjean (most likely)
    2) Button retained at McLaren (surely!)
    3) Massa goes out of F1.(sadly, because I don’t think Sauber/Force India can pay him!)
    4) Sutil may be on his way out of F1 (not sure)
    5) Gutierrez replaced by Bianchi?

    Rest of the changes (if any) inconsequential really.

    1. Charlie says:

      Chilton to lose his drive…

      1. Stephen Taylor says:


    2. Tealeaf says:

      Why don’t McLaren sack Perez and hire the Hulk as a future number 1? Then Lotus hires Massa and maybe sack Grosjean too and hire Di Resta, then Bianchi joins either FI or Sauber and Sutil stays.

      1. Harshad says:

        Vodafone are pulling out of F1 next year or may be at the end of this year some thing like that, and hence Macca require money from Telmex (aka Perez), so Perez stays at Macca.
        GRO stays at Lotus because Lotus would want some continuity.

      2. Sanjog says:

        And the sponsorship from Total (for GRO), although I think GRO has demonstrated impressive pace and developed as a driver from last season, so its only natural to give him another opportunity.

      3. Breezy says:

        I think GRO brings Total money as well.

      4. Harshad says:

        @Sanjog and @Breezy; you guys are right thanks for that.

    3. Ruse says:

      Bianchi to Sauber, Hulk to McLaren, Perez to Lotus

      [if only there were to be some surprises]

  41. Dai Dactic says:

    Well, this is completely out of the blue – I never would have guessed . . .

    On a more serious note –
    F1’s foray into the world of ‘personality-as-entertainment’ continues unabated.
    I don’t agree with the ‘pouring oil on troubled waters’ bit . . .
    More like ‘putting out the fire with gasoline’ as I see it.

    1. iceman says:

      Yes quite, it does look like a potentially explosive combination.

  42. Basil Binx says:

    Fantastic news,this will make Ferrari the team to watch over the next couple of years.

    Got to say,many of us predicted this move weeks ago, before it gained traction,while others were still praying for the Red Bull move. I believe the deal was all but done when Kimi said something along the lines of “people might think its a stupid decision,but i don’t care”.

    I think this move puts to rest a few things that people have been led to believe. I am a strong believer in the Alonso Santander conspiracy theory to get Kimi out of Ferrari in 2009, of which I first came across from a poster on this blog, so thanks for that.

    I believe this proves that Kimi’s problem was not a lack of motivation as Ferrari put it, because why would they re-hire a driver who they paid off for a year because he loses interest so quickly.

    I also think this proves that there is more to it than meets the eye for Massa being faster than Kimi in 08 and 09,because again why would they replace their driver who is part of the family with a slower driver who they paid off.

    At least Ferrari have swallowed their pride and made the right decision for the good of the team and in fact the sport as a whole. This is what the world wants to see, two of the best going up against eachother in race winning cars, it is going to be exciting stuff without a doubt.

    1. Charlie says:

      Correct in every way – check out my posts elsewhere in this article. You don’t just suddenly lose the pace that Kimi showed in Spain ’08…

      Something changed in the car that made it more difficult for him to qualify at the front. I think part of the problem in 2008 was the rain too. People forget, but it rained in half of the race weekends in 2008, something that suited Mclaren perfectly with its shorter wheel-base. Compare the Ferrari to the Mclaren at Silverstone or the last 5 laps of Spa. Actually, considering the Mclarens MASSIVE superiority over the Ferrari in the wet, Kimi’s driving for those last few laps at Spa was simply reckless in its utter awesomeness. Not to take anything away from Hamilton, but Hamilton really ought to have run away from Kimi. Instead Kimi drove like a man possessed. Meanwhile where the hell was Massa… oh, yeah, a minute behind being coaxed to the finish-line by his engineer…


      1. Seized Up says:

        > Meanwhile where the hell was Massa…

        Winning the race! [Belgium GP 2008]

      2. Charlie says:

        Yes, but he was completely outclassed on race day by RAI and HAM. Massa retrospectively inherited the win after HAM incurred a post-race drive-through penalty…the most contrived way of handing out a penalty…ridiculous, regardless of the rights and wrongs of the issue).

        But before the rain, RAI and HAM were waaaay out in front of Massa. And Kimi was actually just coasting, maintaining a 3 second gap to Hamilton.

        When the rain came they both drove like mad-men, especially Kimi who I believe had significantly less grip than Hamilton. Man it was good racing. Going round Rosberg was frightening and amazing in equal measure.

        Massa was nowhere.

      3. Glennb says:

        Dude, bad example. You realise Kimi crashed out of that race due to his utter awesomeness no doubt. Felipe won the race, HAM 3rd, RAI 18th… HAM, Felipe, Heikki all qualified higher than Kimi too that weekend.

      4. Breezy says:

        Wasn’t Felipe handed the race victory in Spa after HAM got a penalty for crazy reason that didnt make sense to most?

      5. KRB says:

        Massive superiority of the McLaren in the wet?? Come off it. Raikkonen actually got fastest lap at Silverstone ’08, and Kovaleinen did a 360 spin on lap 49.

      6. Charlie says:


        I guess we should respect the opinions of Ron Dennis and Martin Whitmarsh…but the facts speak for themselves. In 2008 in the dry Ferrari got better results than Mclaren and vice versa.

        You’re right though – Silverstone was so wet I don’t think it made much different. That was a crazy race.

    2. Hero_was_senna says:

      I posted that article about the truth behind Santander and their removal of Kimi.
      Can be found on http://www.f1bias.com
      Also MSC was developing the car for Massa, hence why the loss of performance in 2008.
      It also explains why Kimi had no problem with LdM

      1. Distant viewer says:

        thanks Hero_was_senna a great article about Kimi in 2008 and his comment about business in F1 is striking, it was purely money that displaced him , I always thought MSC was coaching Massa and had nothing to do with the car I remember the body language between MSC and Kimi which was not good at all you’d have to say Ferrari are in a great position to have sponsorship money like they have to throw at drivers

      2. Spinodontosaurus says:

        Not a single bit of evidence has ever been given for this conspiracy – only hearsay.

        Raikkonen supposed lack of form could well have been Massa simply finding his feet properly. Even then, up to and including Spain, Massa was still much for much with Raikkonen.

        It also fails to explain why the pair were evenly matched in 2007, or why Massa was so much stronger in 2009.

      3. Timmay says:

        Why would a 2008 conspiracy not continue into 2009?

      4. Timmay says:

        You also don’t often find evidence of these things – it is not a crime being investigated, none of the parties involved have any reason to leak. Kimi stays mum cos he got paid a full F1 seasons worth to pursue a goal of rallying, Ferrari made their sponsors happy, Alonso got given everything he needed to lead Ferrari. Only in 2014 will we know how Kimi and Fernando compare. My bet is on Kimi, I think his motivation is greater (how ironic).

      5. MelB says:

        Read Edd Straw’s article on this subject: http://www.autosport.com/journal/article.php/id/1893/

      6. Basil Binx says:

        Thanks again. I couldn’t remember who it was, just that I read it here. It really opened my eyes. Makes you wonder about the difference between what is reported in the general media and what goes on behind closed doors.

      7. Elie says:

        I’ve said it about 1000 times- so it’s probably me.Now with this decision from Ferrari- there can be no doubt.

  43. Random 79 says:

    Alonso: So you’re going to be my team-mate for a couple of years, right?
    Raikkonen: …
    Alonso: Well, good to have you on board :)
    Raikkonen: …
    Alonso: You…you know I’m lead driver, right?
    Raikkonen: …
    Alonso: Massa always let me go first.
    Raikkonen: …
    Alonso: He was my friend :)
    Raikkonen: …
    Alonso: So…so, if your engineer come on and says “let your friend Alonso past”, you say…
    Raikkonen: Leave me alone, I know what I’m doing.
    Alonso: :(

    1. Sebee says:

      That’s a really long exchange. I think would be more like this.

      Alonso: You…you know I’m a lead driver, right?
      Raikkonen: Eliminate me from the WDC mathematically and you will be.

      Kimi did move over for Massa! :-)

      1. Random 79 says:

        Very good point :)

    2. Sanky says:

      Classic!! :)

    3. maria says:

      Or maybe when Alonso ask’s for possible move-over favors

      Kimi: Why don’t you go take a *insert famous kimi word*

      1. Elie says:

        Yes I believe G F Y would be Kimis words to Fernando with Yourself being the last. :)

    4. Wade Parmino says:

      Alonso would turn his back and walk straight away from Raikkonnen after being met with such an ignorant and disrespectful response.

  44. AussieWoZ says:

    As a Ferrari fan this just made 2014 a LOT more interesting! If not a little scary …

    As a Ricciardo fan I can’t wait for him to beat all three world champions!

    1. Tealeaf says:


      That claim about Ricciardo has me in stitches.

    2. PM says:

      lol, he is barely beating Vergne.

  45. Anop says:

    Love what Ferrari did. Nothing would blow between Kimi and Fernando. 2007 was a one season and that doesn’t make it a pattern. I will not start a debate on 2007 as James dislikes it.

    1. maria says:

      But it’s not just 2007 now is it? It happened before with Trulli as well and Flavio had Trulli dismissed to protect golden boy.

      It’s Alonso nature he can’t face others are better than him. And toys go straight out of the pram.

      I hope Ferrari has horded a lot toys for that very reason!

      1. Anop says:

        Are you implying Trulli is or was better than Fernando?

        Anyway Love him or hate him. There is a reason for his demands – He is the best out there and delivers on track without the best machinery, unlike the so called “fastest driver in F1″. I am his fan because he makes the sport I love much more interesting.

      2. bearforce1 says:

        What? It happened just last race. Alsonso has not changed at all. 2013, Last race Alonso was screaming at his team calling hem idiots for not getting his team mate to sacrifice themselves to give him a advantage .

        Alonso expects his team mate to exist only to give him points, race wins, blocking other drivers, deliberately crashing out to bring out safety car on cue.

    2. Sasidharan says:

      Agree with you. People are blowing it out of propotion. Give him a second chance guys.

      1. Kirk says:

        We are in 2013, I think he has had about 6 chances and still seems to be the same guy, just look the last race.

  46. unF1nnished business says:

    It will be very interesting next year. Regardless if Ferrari produce a championship winning car, alot of eyes will be watching these 2. Still trying to wrap my head around this as I never thought Kimi would go back to Ferrari.

  47. John says:

    Do I understand why he is going there? Yes. Do I think this is a good idea? No, but I hope I am wrong. I guess it will be good for the show, though.

  48. Debadutta says:

    This is a good decision by Ferrari. I believe Kimi is just below the level of the trio of Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton but he is much better than Button, Webber and Massa(Before 2010).So he will trouble Alonso but i think Alonso’s 4 years experience at Ferrari will help.
    Also if Alonso does not get embroiled in Politics and simply drives he will beat Kimi over a season.

    1. Doug says:

      ….’if’?… :-D

      I actualy think Kimi & Button are very evenly matched ‘A’ drivers. Kimi slightly stronger at qualifying, Button slightly stronger at over-taking. Button is more of a ‘get the team around him’ type of driver though…so he’d upset Alonso even more than Kimi!

      1. Sebastian says:

        Button slightly stronger at overtaking? The kind of overtakes Kimi pull are generally amazing. The number of passes he has pulled off through eau rouge.

        I’d rather say that Button is slightly stronger on strategy. Especially in mixed conditions. Sure Button is under rated by fans, but pretty sure he isn’t considered as good as VET, RAI, ALO and HAM. At least not right now.

    2. All revved-up says:

      On balance I agree. But Alonso wants more than that, he wants his team (including the 2nd driver) to help him beat RB/Vettel or Merc/Hamilton or whoever is the WDC contender that year.

      He wants the following:
      A) the 2nd driver to give him the tow at Monza;
      B) break the gearbox seal;
      C) move over to allow him to overtake;
      D) slow down if Alonso can’t catch up and wait for Alonso to overtake;
      E) slow down to block the opposition so that Alonso can pit and come out ahead;
      F) the best development parts to go on his car if there are insufficient parts;
      G) car development to go his way;
      H) car development work done by the other driver

      1. bearforce1 says:

        You forgot the biggest one:

        I) Crash his car into the barrier to bring out the safety car to ensure that Alonso wins the race. Madnesss…

      2. All revved-up says:

        Ha ha. Yes – how did I forget that one!

  49. Smiler1995 says:

    Team radio “Kimi, Alonso is faster than you”

    Kimi radio “€^*# off”

  50. Peruvian says:

    I knew it, remember the Spa race where Kimi’s car brakes failed?… well, it was very strange that a formula 1 team can make such a mistake, sending a driver with brakes they knew will fail… even on the parade lap, it was smoking already… any way, at the moment I wrote that it was too fishy and provably Lotus knew that Kimi was going to leave the team…. that was 4 weeks ago.

    1. Mike says:

      Keep taking the tablets.

    2. David Goss says:

      Let me get this straight. Lotus, despite being in a tight battle for P2 in WCC with Merc and in need of every point, deliberately sabotaged Kimi’s brakes (which would have a decent chance of killing him) in order to make some sort of point?

      James, why was this comment even published? Borderline libellous.

      1. Anne says:

        Why? It is called free speech. As long as people don´t cross the line with derogatory statements. People can say anything they want

      2. Mike says:

        I’m all for free speech. Peruvian has however decided to commit words to print that I (married to a lawyer) wouldn’t.

      3. Anne says:

        It is his opinon. He can be right or wrong. But he is not calling anyone´s names. What he said it´s a matter of debate like many things people say here all the time. This place is not necessarily about logic or science or undeniable facts. It´s about someone´s point of view.

      4. FastGuy says:

        Oh, shut up, Anne! ;-) :-)

    3. Richard says:

      I don’t think teams can predict when helmet visor tear offs can fly into brake ducts…

  51. Nator says:

    How on earth is this going to work? No team orders? Give them both identical cars? Either way it all pans out, one of them will be feeling hard done by at seasons end and will want out.
    Why sign Kimi then, should have just kept Massa for another year on much less cabbage, and give him the same car, no team orders etc and see what he can do if let loose.

    1. Anne says:

      Domenicali has said in the Ferrari website that in the begining they will have equal status. BUT later in the season as one driver is going to have more points than the other, then the team will support the driver with more points.

  52. Ali says:

    was hoping Kimi would go to McLaren (favorite driver in my favorite team). Ferrari is probably the next best for Kimi to get another drivers title. hopefully Ferrari won’t screw his chances or Fernando plays his nasty number
    one / number two games

  53. C Lin says:

    Kudos to Ferrari who has the guts to pair 2 WDCs unlike Red Bull.

    Can’t wait for 2014!

    1. Siobhan says:

      Was waiting for a comment like this.. How do you know that Ferrari didn’t offer the better deal than RB and had nothing to do with guts or if the lead driver can handle it or not?

  54. DK says:

    I suppose this is the “stupid” move to some people Kimi was indicating during the summer break. I hope Kimi get a good car to fight for WDC next season but I am not too sure going back to Ferrari is the best decision. I wish him well none the less.

    Actually, Ferrari could have let Kimi partner Alonso in 2010 and let sideline for another year to recover. There was no question on Kimi’s motivation since Hungary for he even dragged the rubbish F90 to a win and a couple of podium. This not a commet from hindsight for I have posted this in 2010.

    1. DK says:

      Oops, let Massa sideline …..

  55. Notna says:

    Oh no. 2014 will have the two ‘lead’ Ferrari drivers taking points off each other and VET will sneak his finger in for a, gasp, fifth title. The horror!

    1. James Allen says:

      Or Hamilton..Merc is a rising tide

      1. Tealeaf says:

        Merc was a rising tide in 2009 as Brawn, then they fell off the cliff for years… same happened in 2006 when Brackley/Honda was on a “rising tide” then what happened the next 2 years?

      2. Dale says:

        Plus One with a capital P. if Hamilton’s given the car then he’ll get his 2nd crown.

      3. Doug says:

        I agree James, I think Mercedes will be the dominant team next year. They’ve done even more poaching than Ferrai & seem very confident about their new engine.

      4. Ronnie says:

        Hamilton seemed to have managed to self destruct at critical times each season, no?

        Vettel seemed to have managed the opposite: pull miracles at critical times

        So my bet is on Vettel (as long as Renault doesn’t mess up the engine). Cannot wait for his 5th title. or, since I’m dreaming, his 8th title – something I’ve been waiting for since the kid showed up in a BMW, mostly unknown. (I’m not German)

      5. H.Guderian says:

        “pull miracles at critical times”

        What are you talking about???

        Win races with a car that is 0.5s faster than others???

        Do you call this miracles???

      6. Sanjog says:

        Agree James. Mercedes have got all the ‘ducks in a row’ as Eric Bouiller would put it (hilarious that).
        They have arguably the best and most experienced technical and race operations team, 2 excellent drivers, a mighty power train with arguably more grunt than Renault and Ferrari and a huge war chest to bolt developments through the season.

        But I have a feeling that Ferrari will surprise a lot of folks next year. Red Bull could be the real losers unless Newey comes up with something radical.

      7. Siobhan says:

        Agree with you here.. Can see the championship possibly between Hamilton and Vettel next year. Hope, as a fan, Vettel wins but that it is all very even and that we have at least 5 drivers all going for it in the last race

    2. ferggsa says:

      Much more fun than watching Massa help Alonso and losing to Vettel anyway
      Although I agree, please not a 5th title, at least not next year
      Regardless of the driver pairings which look great, we need better cars from Ferrari, Mercedes and McLaren to have a fun season

    3. Elie says:

      If 2 lead drivers finish 1 & 2 all the time. It’s not the guy who finishes 3rd that’s going to win. This argument is rather tiring– always the guy that scores the most points wins the championship. Vettels not “sneaking” picking up the scraps- he just keeps winning !!

      More importantly if 2 drivers are higher up every Sunday the team wins the WCC- don’t they.. They clearly didn’t get that with Felipe.

  56. goferet says:

    Yes I see it but I still don’t believe it >>> Kimi back to Ferrari, never in a million years would it cross my mind.

    Anyway congrats to Kimi on somehow getting back to the top of the pyramid for it’s not everyday that one gets a second chance in F1 especially so at Ferrari.

    Now the fans look forward to see how all this plays out because the thing will successful marriages or super teams is there has got to be love at the very core of the union.

    Without love, it becomes very difficult for any kind of super team to work in the long run e.g. Rubens loved Schumi in his own kind of way and so the team had a long fruitful marriage.

    As for Luca, it remains to be seen whether he will rue bringing Kimi back because his first instincts was never to work with Kimi again but seeing as he got talked into this experiment, he will may have to explain to the shareholders if it all goes south.

    As for Lotus, they shouldn’t feel too disappointed on Kimi’s departure for they did the best they could with the limited resources at their disposal. There’s no shame in losing out to someone better than yourself.

    Happy for Hulkenburg on getting further up the ladder with his move to Lotus and taking into account Lotus’ easy tyre action, we may yet see more good things coming from him.

  57. davis says:

    James, I think it makes sense on more than one level. For the WCC, obviously, but also in terms of Alonso and his relationship with the team. I think that Ferrari has probably had enough of Alonso’s “all about me” attitude and if the having to share the team with a capable teammate makes him leave or implode then I doubt they will be too bothered at this point. For 4 years he has had Ferrari all to himself. He has made it clear to the media at the end of each season that he’s wanted Ferrari to retain his non-point-scoring teammate. Ferrari have obliged him and how has he repaid them? “You are all idiots”? This is the context in which Kimi’s re-hiring needs to be understood. The idea that Ferrari exists to keep Fernando happy and that anything that might upset him would be a mistake is a bit laughable to be honest.

    1. AuraF1 says:

      To be fair to Alonso, although I’m not a fan, Ferrari hired him precisely for his *all about me* attitude. They wanted another Schumacher. They felt lost without a leader telling them all what to do. They had meek Massa and bored Kimi and the Italian team just panicked and remembered the good times with Schumacher.

      I guess they forgot about all the other advantages they had in that era and that it still took Schumacher years to build into that leader role, and he was older than Alonso when he was at his peak.

      Ferrari are always a bit schizophrenic though.

      1. davis says:

        That’s an over-simplification of what happened. The unmentioned elephant in the room is Santander. Rumor is that Ferrari would have got rid of Fernando at the end of 2013 if not for Santander’s veto. Follow the money, it usually leads to the truth. Fernando is an awesome driver, but in terms of his personality this was a case of “be careful what you wish for” for Ferrari.

  58. Rob Newman says:

    Enzo must have strange ways of communicating. Monte is eating humble pie. Was it last year he said we don’t want drivers coming to work with their brief cases (referring to Kimi)?

    I am happy for Kimi and hope they will treat him well. I am sure Kimi knows what he is doing and hope the other side of the garage won’t have the best of everything going forward.

    Alonso won’t be number one anymore but the general consensus will be that whoever will be leading will become de-facto number one which is the case in many teams.

    Alonso is not going to win the Championship this yea. Therefore, it is better to start treating Massa as a race driver for the next 7 races without team orders. He should be allowed to go with dignity.

    1. Phil Glass says:

      Monte is a mighty fine chap. He could have played safe or picked an option that suited his own facebook page better. But he applied hard logic and put his pride to one side. He knows deep down that Kimi will reciprocate the good will and will not let the team down

  59. Alexander Supertramp says:

    6 more months before madness. 2014 will be a classic, the turbo era could turn out to be a golden page in F1 history books, can’t wait!!

  60. Ninetto says:

    With Kimi and Alonso paired together, Ferrari is throwing the kitchen sink to Vettel and Red Bull.
    Let’s see if this works!

  61. Dan says:

    Ferrari have needed a consistent 2nd driver for years. Yes they have stood by Massa, bless him, but Kimi has shown he is worth more over the last season and a half. Hopefully it will work, finally there’s chance of a championship of some sort if the car for 2014 is up to anything! I feel positive about Ferrari as a team for the first time in years. Forza Ferrari!

  62. Giorgio says:

    2014 with all of its stuff could be compared to starting of WWII :)

  63. Qiang says:

    I think Ferrari has gone mad for whatever reason. I have no doubt that Alonso has lifted the team to the level they technically not quite deserve for the last few year.

    1. Kirk says:

      Totally disagree, Einstein said that the definition of madness was to do always the same thing and expect different results. Well, four years and nothing… it would be mad to keep the same formula. They are reacting, hiring Allison, Byrne and now Kimi is a prove they are not mad. And Alonso…well I don’t like the guy at all so I won’t say anything about that they lifted the team, he will be put into the test one more time, so we will see.

  64. Sujith says:

    So yes. 2 of the biggest manufacturer teams have the best driver line ups for 2014. Redbull is feeling the heat.

    It’s about time. Now lets take the fight to Redbull fair and square! Hopefully Ferrari will decide on their number 1 driver after they see who’s in front doing the business on the track. If Alonso manages to consistently beat Kimi, Kimi will not mind helping him to his next championship. Kimi would not care really if he gets a fair fight.

    Can we say the same for Fernando? I guess we can. 2007 and 2014 has a lot of years between it. And in 2007 he was not expecting Lewis to be so quick being a rookie and all. That is what pissed him off. In 2014 he’s much more prepared and is expecting a tough fight. But I think nothing bad is gonna happen. It takes 2 to start an Ego fight.

    1. Nick says:

      Ferrari: Fernando is faster than you

      Kimi: Leave me alone I know what I’m doing.

      Kimi is in F1 to win Championships, and he’s not going to back down and help another if it costs him race wins.

      He’s stated that he’s not in this for fun or racing. He’s in this to win, and with that plainly clear he’s not going move of for Fernando.

      Ferrari have made it plainly clear to Fernando and everyone else that they want to win Constructors title’s, even if they dont win the WDC. That’s a square kick in the guts for Alonso. He’s no longer Number 1 in the team, I cannot wait to see if he lasts there next year or starts looking for another drive.

      Ricciardo only has to consistently finish in the top 4 or 5 to keep his seat, with maybe the odd race win. All he has to do is ensure that he consistently finishes in the high points so that RBR maintain their WCC title’s. Vettel is the Number 1 there, now its just undisputed.

    2. Mocho_Pikuain says:

      3Three things make the difference between 2007 and 2014.

      1- Your point, Kimi is expected to be extremely fast, Lewis wasn’t.
      2-Lewis was English while Alonso wasn’t, at Ferrari none of them is suposed to have advantage from the begining but… (point 3)
      3-Alonso has 3 months and a half to make the 2014 car to suit him and start with a clear advantage, in 2007 that was obviously not posible.

    3. Tealeaf says:

      The biggest problem for Alonso in 2007 was that he thought after his 2 titles and beating an ageing Schumacher was the pinnacle, he was coming into his prime and he was invincible, he got a shock to his system, but after all these years after he is more wise and even humble, he will play this differently if Kimi starts piling on the pressure.

    4. Sasidharan says:

      Agree with you. Can’t wait to finish 2013.

    5. ferggsa says:

      I agree, in 2007 Alonso was expecting to be the driving boss, was taken by surprise, and when he complained, he was disregarded by the management boss (and Lewis)
      I think for 2014 he knows he has to earn the status (like he did with Massa), and if he complains he knows Luca will kick him in his rear end

    6. J.L. says:

      Kimi minds his own business as usual and Fernando makes his lame samurai comments. As long as they don’t crash it’s going to be all right!

      1. Anop says:

        I prefer what you call “lame” samurai comments over photos of a bulldog.

      2. Sanjog says:

        :p..In all fairness, I prefer neither.

    7. Stephen Taylor says:

      I am presuming you think Kimi will pose no challenge to Fernando?

  65. Trixie says:

    It’s Red Bull’s loss in passing up the chance to sign Kimi for their 2014 line up, only for Ferrari to create this super team next year.

    This is most logical pairing for Ferrari seeking to win the WCC. They have been barren since 2009, and Fernando’s arrival hasn’t been the 2nd coming they were banking on.
    Despite Luca’s comment last year in not wanting to have two roosters in the same hen house, Ferrari must now realise that you need two roosters to win a cock fight. And with Red Bull having a weaker line up next year IMO, this is Ferrari’s best chance for WCC. Once they meet that target, then it’s the best man for himself to fight for the WDC.

    I feel Alonso will have the upper hand given his ability to rally support around himself, but given Kimi’s huge following, I don’t think his fan base will tolerate any overt unfair treatment of Ferrari’s last WDC.
    Curiously, Fernando’s response is “I’d like to welcome my new travelling companion”, without actually referring to the name of his future team mate. Has the mind games already begun ??

    Lotus’ latest tweet says it all – they are rooted!! Ha! HA!
    But I rate Hulkenberg very highly. He will do well filling Kimi’s shoes should he get the coveted Lotus seat.

    Bring on 2014 and end the repetitive Red Bull domination.

  66. F1 dingo says:

    Well, well, well……..who would have thought.

    You’d have to imagine Alonso will have the upper hand having been there the past few years. However, Kimi’s demeanour and attitude will serve him well in said ‘super team’. Although Kimi will obviously want to beat Alonso, he can still be a team player.

    Alonso I feel may self destruct unless he has a comfortable margin on Kimi.

    ‘Fernando, Kimi is faster than you’
    ‘NO, he is not!’
    ‘Yes he is, he is coming up to lap you!’
    ‘NO he’s not!’
    ‘Yes he is, look in your mirrors’
    ‘NO, I have no mirrors!’
    ‘Fernando, you are driving beautifully, this is the most beautiful, but you must let Kimi by.’
    ‘NEVER, where’s Felipe when you need him!?’
    ‘Kimi, Fernando won’t let you by’
    ‘It’s ok’
    ‘Yes, yes, yes’
    ‘What are you going to do!?’
    ‘Overtake him’
    ‘Fernando, Kimi is going to overtake you’
    ‘Fernando, Kimi has overtaken you’
    ‘Yes he has’
    ‘Good work Kimi, box next lap, box, box, box’

    ‘Good work guys, that’s free practise 1 done. You’re thoughts on how it went?’

    Sorry, yes a little petty, but I couldn’t resist. Good luck to them both.

    1. ferrarifan says:

      I don’t understand all the towards Alonso.
      The guy is amazing on sundays and handled 4 seasons of disappointment maturely.

      I do like Raikonnen ,but I would rate Alonso as much equal to him if not better.

      1. Marpabel says:

        Ovrall, there is question of sporting morality. That all.

      2. Anne says:

        All the drivers are pretty much in that same boat for one reason or another. That´s how the world of sports and bussiness works unfortunately

  67. anon says:

    Neither of these guys can beat Vettel in equal machinery. In fact, Alonso couldn’t really build a lead on Vettel at the start of the year when he had the best car. So both these guys are going to have their work cut out trying to beat Vettel (or Hamilton if he has a decent car).

    It’ll be fascinating to see how quickly the pressure gets to Alonso if Kimi is immediately matching him.

  68. zeeshan says:

    Seems that Fernando anticipated long ago that this is coming.. after judging and seeing his performance in these given years of time he coudnlt pull it of.

  69. Gary says:

    James Allen already stirring the pot by titling his post “Raikonnen/Alonso Superteam” instead of “Alonso/Raikonnen Superteam”.

    Good job, James!

    1. anon says:

      Nearly 24 seasons of F1 experience between Fernando Flinstone and Kimi Rubble and only 3 championships between them to show for it.

      Always had good drives. Alonso had championship winning cars at Renault, McLaren, Ferrari. Kimi had a Newey McLaren and Schumacher’s drive at Ferrari (Schumacher would have ran away with 2007 if Ferrari kept him).

      Slim pickings as they say.

  70. Bones says:

    Once again the biggest team have 2 top drivers. At last Montezemolo did what Enzo Ferrari used to do, now he”ll have to make them race each other for the team’s benefit, that is what the Commendatore was known for.
    This was a clear message to Alonso: your are NOT bigger than the team.

    1. H.Guderian says:

      Come on!!!
      Ferrari would be in the same league as Force India without ALO in the last four years.

      1. Harshad says:

        Sorry, but Only for you it would seem something like that.
        In 2010,2012 ALO nearly won WDC, do you think he didn’t have a fast enough car? If so, how did he challenge Vettel and Hamilton? Car was fast enough to win no one can deny that.

        If you still believe that Alonso challenged Hamilton and Vettel in a midfield car (same as FI), then I’m sorry to say that you’ve been blinded by all the Alonso hype created in all these years especially in 2012.

      2. Kirk says:

        Wow, that’s only possible in these two cases:

        - Alonso was the main engineer in Ferrari
        - Ferrari’s car were like the Flinstones ones, where the motor is the driver’s legs.

        Ferrari has had a very competitive car, he is a great driver but any driver can’t do more than what the car can do, so for those ones who say Alonso does more than the car, that is impossible unless he goes down the car, pushes it and in that way the car is faster.

  71. geek says:


    I dont know if your team have any metrics but my gut feeling is this article probably had comments pouring in as soon as it was published. I mean highest in the first hour since article published.Am I right

  72. Sarvar says:

    If you read welcome words from ALO and RAI on the Ferrari’s website you can feel again how ALO is a political bloke, wow…He even didn’t welcome his new teammate by name whereas Kimi says ALO is a great driver.

    Nothing personal against ALO, just observations.

  73. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

    He’s back, just can’t keep Kimi away from that Italian ice-cream.

    Can’t wait to see how Kimi handles Alonso’s relentless pace and racecraft on Sundays.

    It will give us an indication on Massa’s form post-accident as well if Alonso destroys Kimi as he did Massa, as Massa beat Kimi 08/09 pre-accident.

    Can’t help but think di Monty did it to save his job and distract from the not so great Ferrari cars, with pathetic in season development, that have been produced by Maranello in recent years.

    Get focused on the engineering now Ferrari, we all know how good Newey is with new regulation changes and we all want a good battle next year.

    1. Kirk says:

      Well your logic fails in one thing, Kimi in a slower car in the last two years has beaten Massa and was even ahead of Alonso some time this year, those comparisons just don’t work. And that pathetic development almost made them win two championships, so the car was not so bad.

  74. Harshad says:

    Just in, RBR has called for an emergency meeting at his headquarters and have put Marko on notice for next year if his prodigy RIC doesn’t delvier :)

    RBR—->What an opportunity lost to nullify Ferrari threat for WCC next year.

  75. Nil says:

    This makes me incredibly happy! After all the talk through ’08 and ’09 how Kimi lucked into the championship and how he didn’t deserve the Ferrari seat, this move vindicates the level of his skills.

    James, what are the terms of the contract? Two years or three and who controls the options?

      1. BlackBull says:

        Or 2+1, according to the journalist who published Kimi’s contract already on August 1st. He has also said that the contract will be published by Ferrari as a two year one, as it’s Kimi who has the option for the third year.

      2. Fireman says:

        It’s 2+1. Kimi has the option.

    1. tarun says:

      did hamilton also got lucky winning in 2008, kimi is a deserved champion just as hamilton. people should refrain from suggesting that he didnt deserve it.

  76. Chris says:

    Looking forwards to 2014 already, now even more so, Brave move from the boys in Red.

    Here is hoping that Mr Newey does NOT build yet another rocket ship, come Adrian give those “other teams” a chance next year :)

  77. Gul says:

    Bring on 2014!!!!!

  78. Andre says:

    Great news!

    But still Ferrari will have to improve it’s performance, with Raikkonen coming it doesn’t mean things will improve drastically. All will depend on the cars performance next year.

    Danger is also that they will ‘steal’ points away from eachother in the WDC. If you look at Vettel and Alonso at his point in the WDC, they hold a gap in points of around 90 over their teammate.

    But then again next year’s rules can mix up the order in the field.

  79. Elie says:

    Is it just me or did anyone else notice that its 9/11. I hope this signing does change the F1 landscape forever.

    I truly hope this gives an opportunity for history to rewrite itself and a wrong to be righted!. In some sense it has already started because in this decision Ferrari have acknowledged at least the method of parting in 2009 was not right. I think over the last 2 years Kimi has already proved that decision was the wrong one.The potential in this is tremendous but the possibility for disaster is equally great if Alonso “digs his heals in” atop that thrown.

    IMO Ferrari themselves have many things to right within the team technical/ aero and the challenges of the new powertrain- but for this, surely the spectre of a temperamental lead driver would have been cleared with 2 new drivers. Ferrari don’t lack options and having two “older” drivers is fine given Hulkenberg is looming in the background with Bianci in tow.

    But the greatest lessons all come with the humility of changing individual perspectives to improving the teams goals and ambitions- something that Kimi already managed at Lotus beautifully- we have all witnessed the attention they now command on social media because of the driver and character that is Kimi.

    I’ve said it before, but Ferrari must utilise this resource in reinventing itself and challenging its leadership culture. Team principals, presidents, lead teams, drivers- as brilliant a they are – drive cars. For the first time in a long time Ferrari has the ability to get back to its roots and focus on racing with this new pairing. Strong leadership is required off the track- but not by the drivers- does Ferrari have this ?? It has certainly lacked this in past- will we see changes in the future- if this pairing heads off the rails as we’ve seen with other greats- leadership will be tested and I suspect renewed.

    As for my guess for the future I will say just this : Ice will always quell the fire.

    1. Anne says:

      Great post :)

      Although Kimi and Alonso may look like an odd couple to some. The Fire and the Ice is what Ferrari needs. And they have Rory Byrne and James Allison to make the car they need to win. I don´t see the 2007 all over again.

      I think Alonso is smart enough and he won´t put himself in that situation gain. He still has this season to meditate. If he thinks he won´t be able to deal with the new situation. He can always say good bye after Brazil. And dedicate himself to his cycling team or whatever

  80. Chris says:

    Hi James

    This is probably largely due to the failure of Renault to commit a bigger investment in Lotus/Enstone. I wonder if Carlos Tavarez’ departure from Renault’s corporate structure has hampered the momentum that was talked about in Renault Sport buying into a larger part of the Enstone team. Carlos was a big proponent of motorsport and while they’ve publicly said his departure won’t affect Renault’s commitment to motorsport or F1, that doesn’t meant it didn’t stifle any larger future plans. Carlos Ghosn must be happy letting Infiniti rebrand Renault Sport’s engines and that’s that. Sorry Lotus, but without the money and the factory technical support, Kimi can’t realistically win a championship. Sucks that it ended up with Ferrari, I’d rather he have gone to RBR and shove Vettel’s finger somewhere else.

    What are your thoughts?

  81. Dale says:

    McLaren should do what’s needed to be done and get Alonso (swap with Button maybe) as they need one of the top guys in their team and the two they have at present aren’t that!

    1. Elie says:

      And why would Ferrari want Button??- good luck with Mr Whitmarsh

  82. Anthony Smith says:

    All this hoopla about Ferrari’s wisdom of having both Alonso and Raikkonen in a presumed “super team” lash-up will come to naught if they, Ferrari, cannot come up with a Red Bull quality car.

    We’d be wise not to get too excited just yet; a lot will really depend on how teams implement the new regulations.

  83. shri says:

    I suspect Ferrari have gone for 2 strong drivers due to
    1) Alonso + nothing Massa did not work and RB ran away with multiple championships year after year and there is a huge pressure to show one Championship soon
    2) 2014 has sizable regulation changes feedback of experienced drivers is very important specially in light of issues related to co-relation of wind tunnel that Ferrari is facing now for years

  84. Timo says:

    For all the talk of Red Bull being professionally managed, looks like Horner as team principal and Newey as chief designer couldn’t have their way and get RAI signed up (and were seemingly taken by surprise when Ricciardo was signed). Contrast with Domenicalli, Fry and Allison who appear to have stood their ground and convinced LDM to do what’s best for the team.

    Red Bull the biggest losers. They are up against Ferrari and Mercedes both of whom when compared to Red Bull have far greater technical depth, customized engines with better development potential, and now stronger driver pairings.

    Worse still, I think Red Bull’s efforts to destabilize Ferrari have backfired spectacularly — I doubt that Ferrari would have hired Raikkonen without the “ALO talking with RedBull” rumors that Red Bull fanned.

    1. AlexD says:

      Great comment….

      1. Timo says:


    2. Ding wamage says:

      Maybe Red Bull is smarter than you think. Their constant winning is starting to hurt their brand. Everyone who follows F1 is pretty fed up with Red Bull dominance and Vettel is widely disliked. Perhaps Red Bull’s owner wants to make the team a little weaker.

    3. Andre says:

      You live in a dreamworld my friend.

      LDM only does things because other teams spread rumours, YEAH RIGHT!

      RBR had first choice to get Raikkonen but opted not to,right or wrong we will never know, so why losers?
      They very well knew that if they didn’t take him that Ferrari had the change to do so.

      Don’t spend your time hating, better use it for good use.

      1. Timo says:

        Andre — my opinion and analysis explaining decision making in Red Bull and Ferrari — can’t see where’s the “hating”? Relax.

      2. James Allen says:

        We don’t like that word here please don’t use it

      3. Andre says:

        Okay maybe I used the wrong word, but I think its a little negative against RBR.

        Like I said they had the first choice and didnt choose him.
        You can bet all of them (Horner, Newey, Marko and some others) had a voice in that decision, not to take Raikkonen.
        This article uses term ‘take the plunge’ for a reason.
        So RBR decision is their own right.

        And about Mercedes and Ferrari having more technical depth etc. They had that this year and last year too, so I dont understand your point.
        And next year is for all the teams a plunge in to the unknown. Strong driver pairing is totally unimportant without a good car. And it will take a lot more then changing Massa for Raikkonen.

  85. Mike from Colombia says:

    McLaren needs to do something with its driver line up and fast.

    There is no sparkle in their current line up. If they want to keep Button on, then they have to get rid of Perez and sign the next rising star.

    They must bid for the Hulk now. If they stick with Perez because of fears over Carlos Slim, then this makes them no better than Sauber with Sorotkin.

  86. Javier Marcelo says:

    Great News for the show but a bit too risky for the team. They both are strong caracters and two years toghether is a long way to be made whithout conflicts. I can only imagin two scenarios: they both kiling each other for the championship -where VET and HAM make the most of it- or they both ungry whithout a wining car -and non of them in silence-.
    I understand ferrari is a bit desperate to do so!

    While KIMI have nothing to lose at this point of his carrear, ALO is getting in real troubles.

    Is there any other option for ALO?

    That is the question for me.

    Had Ferrari other option? Not with Domenically on board.

    I presume they three do not stay toghether for so long…

  87. Olivier says:

    Aw aw Red Bull … better have a supercar next year.

    I bet some people at Milton Keyes are banging their heads against the wall right now. How could they let this happen? Ferrari has two aces up their sleeve.

    Good move by Monte. This will sharpen up Alonso. 2014 will be unlike 2013. Good news for the sport.

    1. anon says:

      Nothing changes at Red Bull. Vettel is still quicker than either of them. Kimi and Fred are probably two of the worst qualifiers out of the top tier of drivers, so it’s going to be more 3rd row starts for Ferrari!

      What makes this pairing so interesting is how Alonso handles it.

      1. Harshad says:

        Kimi is better qualifier than Alonso, remember China 2013 (P2), Abu Dhabi 2012 (P4)…but of course he isn’t as consistently quick in qualifying compared to VET/HAM.

      2. anon says:

        I’ll agree with that.

  88. Marcelo Leal says:

    Alonso will be beaten again…
    He likes to race Nelson P. Jr., or Massa. ;-)
    Lewis Hamilton? Now Kimi? C’mon!!

  89. Ryan says:

    Fantastico! Fire and Ice! As a driver supporter not a team supporter with both my favorite drivers in one team! Go Kimi! Go Fernando! Come on Ferrari please give them a great car!

  90. Spyros says:

    So Kimi to Ferrari, Hulkenberg to Lotus… and maybe Massa back to Sauber? They will have a complete novice (with plenty of cash) in one car, won’t it make sense to put a good old hand like Massa in the other?

    This way Massa would maintain his continuous run of races with Ferrari power, too…

  91. Javier Marcelo says:

    It seems Ferrari is just traying to assurance the second price which is a WCC. It looks conservative, which always is Domenicali’s way. ALO has been asking for attaking mode for years, to get the WDC, the really big price, for a team too. Does anyone remember the WCC of 2007 or 1987? Who cares really?

    ALO stooped Shumi. I hope he will survive at Kimi, too.

  92. Miha Bevc says:

    OK, Kimi, Fine. Brave move.
    But since I really like you, know you HAVE to win this duel!
    And it’s not gonna be easy…

    On the other hand. Ferrari might take constructors title, but these two are going to take points off each other. Great chance for Lewis or … Seb! :)

  93. Lee Staples says:

    I don’t understand this move whatsoever. Kimi, Alonso, and Luca will form the ultimate “marriage made in hell”. Luca is a dictator, Alonso is a prima donna, and Kimi just doesn’t give a rat’s ass. And considering things are already strained between Luca and Fernando, I think Kimi will be a great source of agitation in that realationship next year. I can guaranteed that Kimi isn’t pulling over to be #2 behind Alonso at Ferrari. I predict fireworks!

  94. Snailtrail says:

    James are you able to throw some light on why Ferrari re-hired Kimi when they were unhappy enough to pay him out not to drive for them?
    (By the way if anyone would like to pay me not to drive a F1 car Im happy to accept…)

    Ferrari would know that hiring 2 number 1 drivers will cause issues within the team and may well cost them points.

    1. James Allen says:

      Because of his fantastic showing since he came back to F1

      1. Roger W says:

        And he needs to buy the rest of the curtains for his little house….

      2. Liam in Sydney says:

        That’s a very simplistic answer. There are dozens of reasons why they rehired KR, starting with this being an insurance policy against FA leaving. Also to secure the Constructors title. And also to push FA on to new heights. There would be plenty more.

      3. Harshad says:

        “To Push Alonso to new heights” that’s wishful thinking on Andrew Benson’s part (as per the article on BBC), don’t read too much into that.

      4. Giorgio says:

        & because of Alonso’s gestures against his team, starting before Summer break. So his re-hiring is not just only pragmatical but rather emotional too (to tame arrogant Fernandinio)

    2. Ronnie says:

      The 2012/2013 Kimi ≠ 2009/2010 Kimi ≠ 2008 Kimi

      He seemed to have lost himself after DWC, and then found himself again in 2012

      1. Ronnie says:

        woops. too many typos. I meant

        The 2012/2013 Kimi ≠ 2008/2009 Kimi ≠ 2007 Kimi

        & WDC

        And I don’t know which Kimi will show up next year.

  95. Sebee says:

    By the way, I hope you all realize Kimi lied to us.

    I recall he said he didn’t care much for finishing his carrier at Ferrari. Or something along those lines.

    It looks like that in fact very well may be what happens. Really, where can he go from here?

    1. Sri says:

      When he said he didn’t care it simply means he doesn’t care. So the fact of retiring at Ferrari or not is very different: in fact he precisely states he does not care about where he would retire (like the usual Kimi).

    2. Harshad says:

      Kimi did considering Retiring from sport after his Ferrari saga was done (2009/2010).
      He himself said that on his return to F1.
      In between, he tried other forms of Motorsports but realised that it doesn’t work for him and so he needs to back in F1.

  96. Antonis papadakis says:

    The trophy that we will be watching for 2014
    Is the FERRARI one. The rest of the paddock may
    go on circles all year long. Congratulations to
    Ferrari for making the 2014 F1 championship
    into a Ferrari championship. This is way more
    Headlines story than iphone 5s presentation

    1. AlexD says:

      what is 5s? You mean the same iPhone 5?

      1. Elie says:

        No the New IPhone 5S just released

  97. Vinay says:


    What do you think clinched the deal for Kimi? Choosing Ferrari over Lotus where he has said he was very happy and choosing Alonso over Vettel with whom he is friends with.

    Also – was Redbull Kimi’s first choice? Does it matter to Ferrari if it were?

  98. Alanis Morrisette says:

    Today’s biggest winners?

    *Probably* Sebastian Vettel and Lewis Hamilton.

    If either of these two has the best car next year, they will be laughing as they will have a fully focused team on them.

    Of course, if the Ferrari is hands down the best car, MP4/4 like, then we could see something really superb.

    So, good on Ferrari though for making things interesting, at least for a year. I have always loved these intra-team titanic battles, and we haven’t had a proper one since 2007. This is either going to end like that or like Senna/Prost.

    Wonderful stuff.

    1. DJ Illusive says:

      Me sentiments exactly! Very well put.

      Although 2014 will be a whole new ballgame with the V6 engines and new rules. I think most all the top tier teams are on a fairly even playing field. Having the best drivers will ultimately prove to be the difference who comes out on top. Ferrari made a bold, yet smart move to sign Kimi. Best case scenario: the win the constructors and/or drivers championship. Worst case: we have a Alonso/Hamilton ego debacle all over again.

  99. Tom Haythornthwaite says:

    I still think Massa will go to Williams, and I agree with the recent comment that Massa should be let loose for the rest of this season. (If he’s inspired he’s fast. And who could not be happy for him if he wins Brazil?)

    I think the biggest unknown now is the relative performance of next year’s Red Car. If it’s quick, we might see a jumble of Alonso / Kimi and Kimi / Alonso finishes, with Vettal third in races and the driver’s championship, and Red Bull probably second in the constructors. But I don’t believe anybody knows how next year’s cars will compare, including the people who were saying a couple of months ago that Mercedes will be best.

  100. Neil Jenney says:

    It appears Luca di Montezemolo got tired of hearing his old ally Ross Brawn telling everyone Mercedes has the best driver pairing in F1. Impressive way of bringing that to an end!

    1. Elie says:

      Yeah I wouldn’t rule that out… The egos in F1 make this fickle comment very, very real

  101. Driver status at Ferrari in 2014 won’t be a problem, because you can bet plenty that Kimi’s management team have all that sorted in his watertight contract.

  102. Pauli H says:

    Hey Charlie! Just to let you know that at least Mika Hakkinen thinks that new turbo-era cars will suit Kimi’s smoother driving style better than Alonso’s more aggressive style. Mika being a double world champion should know a thing or two about racing F1 cars. Also Allison and Kimi seemed to work pretty well together at Lotus in developing the race car.

  103. breza says:

    finally we’ll have two stars in one team without team orders! If Ferrari continues to build great V6 engines like in the past (and please bring Dino name back), F1 will get to another level of adrenaline. This is the clear “Shut up and do what you’re paid for” lesson for Alonso… KImi suffered a great deal more (true sandbagging from Scuderia)from the whole Santander deal and didn’t say a word (he became a No2 driver while leading the WC after five races). Ferrari is sorted for a spectacle, only thing missing for the better show is fast cheeky driver called Daniel…

    1. Dan says:

      ive heard dan is on par with seb in the simulator ;)

      1. James Allen says:

        If he can do that in closing seconds of Q3 then we have a driver!

  104. silverfox says:

    Team: “Alonso is faster than you!”
    Kimi:” Tell him to go take a sh**”

    1. Elie says:

      More like “tell him to stop talking sh..”

  105. Panagiotis says:

    sympathy for the roosters… Kimi has to thanks Alo for his decision to give up his Schumi status after 4 years in ferrari and some spectacular drives and campaigns with a lot of politics and assertiveness. There you go, suddenly ferrari is a two champs team, and that is great news for F1 in all.

  106. J.L. says:

    This deal would have never happened if Kimi had started to criticize Ferrari for firing him. It must have felt bad but he kept his mouth shut and that decision paid off. When you stay loyal to Ferrari they always find a way to reward you somehow. Interesting to see where Massa ends up.

  107. Tim says:

    This could be a game changer for many teams

  108. JM says:

    This must be the best F1 tweet of all times:


    I think Ferrari should scoop the social media guy from Lotus along with Kimi. That person is unbelievable :)!

    1. JTodt says:

      What do you think about this one then? :)


      (re-posted cos it is just too good)

  109. Sanjog says:

    Right, then !!! Let’s throw the pram out,there won’t be any need for that now, the toys are gonna be everywhere :).
    Ferrari have given F1 a fresh lease of life. Roll on 2014, time to show the energy drink boys who the real champs are.

  110. yassin says:

    Like Webber Kimi’s car will always have problems.

  111. yassin says:

    Ans will have problems with the wheel gun etc. etc.

    Unless Kimi can stay on top of Alonso, time will tell.

  112. Sid says:

    Strange comment from Alonso, describing Kimi (his new teammate) as travel companion, didn’t even refer his name!

    “I’d like to welcome my new travelling companion: together, starting next year, we will have to tackle a very demanding technical and racing challenge.”

    1. jmv says:

      indeed… travel companion sounds like a lap dog! I smell a slight psychological dig at Kimi… but Kimi doesn’t give a ****.

      I remind myself of Montoya joining McLaren in 2005. I thought Montoya would barge over Kimi.. but Kimi just ignored his new team mate and delivered on track.

      Having said that I am still wondering how Kimi lost the edge in 2008 and 2009. I truly think he peaked in 2007 (his final campaign of 2007 was astonishing collecting most points than the competition for 7 races or so).

      But thank goodness he is back, fresher and sharper!

      1. Pauli H says:

        Check the web for “the truth about kimi raikkonen, ferrari and santander in 2008″.

      2. Elie says:

        & what do you think about 2012/3 Kimi easily one of the best

  113. Aadil says:

    Ron Dennis & Martin Whitmarsh are probly laughing their nuts off right now @ the thought of what Domenicali might be going through next year!

    1. AlexD says:

      Let them worry about their own disaster…..

    2. Anne says:

      Ron,Martin,their car and their drivers are the biggest joke of this season. No, I don´t think they are in a position to laugh at others.

  114. The Spanish Inquisitor says:

    Conspiration day…

    Kimi won his WDC due a secret agreement of McLaren, Ferrari and the FIA…

  115. Phil Glass says:

    James, may I ask what you make of Whitmarsh’s comments last week that he “senses that Kimi will not find a drive away from Lotus…”
    Horner seemed to know a lot about Kimi having a contract in his back pocket. Could MW really have known nothing about it?

  116. Kumar Mani says:

    With all the variables Ferrari will have to manage next season (engine change et al), they may have to deal with on-track circus as well. Domenicali better be a strong man on the paddock. Hopefully they will not dilute their focus and attention on engineering and design.

    That said, this is a bold move willing to take on the fight with RBR next season. Ferrari would care less about drivers championship than constructors, not necessarily the money that comes with it (though it plays a big role), but the prestige the brand Ferrari holds in F1 and outside.

  117. Arnie S says:

    Comments about “who’s the fastest” will have to wait.

    But for F1 this is the best since pre-sliced bread.

  118. elciddo says:

    To those who think that hiring Raikkonen was a snub to Alonso, or at least that Alonso is being put in his place, I’d rather think two things are worth considering:

    1. Racecraft, rather than outright qualifying speed, is more important in F1 nowadays.
    2. Alonso has taught Ferrari the value of a calculating approach to pursuing championships.

    I’m sure Alonso will be convinced that having Raikkonen on board is indeed perfectly rational by the logic of his own competitive philosophy.

  119. Dan says:

    More great news for Vettel…

    Someone who will actually take points off Alonso.

    Red Bull did the clever thing and appoint a number 2.

    1. AlexD says:

      It will only make Alonso stronger and trully complete

  120. Ronnie says:

    Does Kimi speak Italian? Hope not, I’m tired of listening to team radio that I cannot understand. This past weekend, the US feed had to use guest host Mario Andretti to do the translation.

    1. AlexD says:

      Maybe try to learn italian?

      1. Harshad says:

        He Won’t…..he has replied to these comments (in the press in his earlier stint) saying, I’m not going to Ferrari for learning Italian. Well, he is not wrong.

    2. Sebastian says:

      He speaks enough italian to order ice cream. But he has finnish for the really important stuff. Like saying hi to his granny.

    3. mjpt says:

      strategic from alonso- they dont wont people knowing what they are saying. He changed it up when he was heard telling his engineer to STOP giving him specific information in English. Kimi essentially does the same by telling all to shut up and let him do his job…class.

  121. Paul Young says:

    I will say what others are thinking about Massa. He has shown moments of brilliance over the last couple of years, but he was never the driver he was pre accident.
    Kudos to Ferrari to show him so much loyalty in the last couple of years but I think they could have made the decision last year without anyone thinking negatively of them.
    Alonso likes to get Fired up and have a cause to fight for, always goes forward in races. But when your opponent shows no day to day interest then blows you away… That will mess with your head! I keep remembering that Kimi only broke traction twice during the Oz GP. What an amazing performance. It will wind Alonso up that he is in the simulator, or there on a Thursday and then Kimi rocks in, is just as quick as him. He will be apoplectic!

    I’ll start the rumour today. Alonso to Mclaren to replace a retiring button in ’15 and then we will see Kimi Vs Seb at Ferrari!

    1. TheBestPoint? says:

      article posted re: Mclaren comments @115 and @85
      and ‘@10′s Replies’.

      Whitmarsh’s recent assertions have been worryingly inept. I don’t know if he is forgetting to insist on anonymity but haven’t come across any other embarrassing exposure from any TP from “2012 car overachieved..” comments to his assertion that “Kimi won’t succeed in leaving….” (words to that effect)and lets not forget his continuous commentary amidst inadequate handling of Lewis contract negotiations (i don’t buy the whole RD’s fault angle – who is the TP at Mclaren?)- as the article states only Honda scoop to show under his watch.

      Not afraid of coming across out of touch and out of his depth Whitmarsh isn’t- worrying times for Mclaren.

      OT: Alonso vs Raikkonen just over 6 MONTHS AWAY!!- massive fan of the combo and so so pleased i don’ have a vested interest in one over the other. my only fear is that Raikkonen will take a while to settle by which time the gap btw the 2 will be insurmountable meaning he has to support Alonso’s campaign.

      Brung it already!!!

  122. Dan says:

    I so cant wait to see the squabbling start! If Ferrari’s package is slow next year and Vettel still dominates its going to be awesome to see the infighting. Aka SENNA V PROST.

    1. Sanjog says:

      Don’t think there will be a lot of fireworks if the car isn’t competitive. Only Stefano and Pat Fry will be on notice or probably asked to leave.

      On the other hand if Ferrari produce a beauty and there are any shenanigans from the ‘Samurai’, boy will it be fun :P

      1. Dan says:

        who’s going to give who a tow in qualifying if the car isnt competitive? lol

  123. Rich B says:

    if they think Alonso might go and signing kimi will only upset the Spaniard more, I presume they don’t mind losing the santander cash that would follow Alonso.
    come to think of it, with kimi returning to Ferrari maybe Alonso will copy him and go back to McLaren along with Santander.

    1. Sarvar says:

      Ferrari did great financially before Santander and ll do it after. It is Ferrari))

    2. Emanuel says:

      It was Santander’s money and their determination to have Alonso drive for Ferrari that sealed the deal with Kimi in 2008. As we all know now, that didn’t really work out for the Scuderia. For 2014 the cards are reshuffled and Ferrari knows what Kimi can do, despite them trying really hard to make him look bad. Taking Kimi back is a bold move and despite being a Sebastian Vettel fan, I really hope it will work out for them. I’m sure or would hope that Kimi has a “no team order” clause in his contract. It’s going to be exciting.

  124. jmv says:

    Ferrari truly stands for Emotion! And Emotion it has brought in the past days. For Alonso (astonishment and frustration), for Massa (great deception and heartbreak), and for Kimi (sense of rehabilitation, and perhaps a sweet revenge)

    For Ferrari fans relief, and for F1 fans delight to see a pair like that in one of the best cars and teams on the grid!

    I also experienced some irritation with the topic of “scooping…”

    Over the past two days there have been a lot of scoops. Honestly to a point where F1 reporters were falling over themselves and embarrassing themselves.

    Even one well known reporter from one of the worlds prestigious news sources engaged this morning in “creative” headlining and news writing, thereby looking to have a scoop but it was a complete recycling of the rest. Later he ended up defending himself on twitter… quite embarrassing.

    I am quite pleased to see that you James kept professional and reported when it mattered.

    But the real story no one has yet reported on is an analysis of what actually happened in the past weeks. Perhaps we will never know because of the confidentiality of it all, and the fact that someone like Kimi always has a pokerface.

    The questions I have are:
    - how did Kimi make it easy for RB (as Webber tweeted). Did he ask too much? Or did he sign for Ferrari before RB could sign for him? So far there has only been speculation about the process but I hope that Christian Horner (or true reliable sources… these days there are too many) can shed light on this.

    - what was the logic for Kimi to opt for Ferrari if it was his choice? The Byrne-Allison-Fry-Ferrari combination? Was there also a bit of sweet revenge in all of this. Kimi was in 2009 pretty heart-broken, visibly affected by Ferrari turning its back on him. For a non-emotional guy like Kimi there was lots of emotion on display.

    -why did Ferrari in the end go for Kimi? Was there a technical analysis? Data from Sauber on Hulkenberg, opinions of James Allison on Kimi’s driving style efficiency etc, which align well with fuel efficiency requirements in 2014?

    It would be really fascinating to read some true insight (based on reliable sources)

    1. Harshad says:

      Not that I have any insights but, If Kimi did sign for Ferrari before RBR then it was only due to one reason, Vettel.
      No I’m not suggesting Kimi is afraid of Vettel, they get along very well..but Vettel has backing of CH,DM,HM,AN (top brass of RBR). What else do you need to do obtain #1 status? Also, Kimi hasn’t worked with any of them.

      Kimi still gets along very well SD@Ferrari, SD has a lot of respect for Kimi. Kimi has worked with Ferrari before, so I suppose, he thinks it will be easier for him to obtain a car to his liking at Ferrari rather than at RBR. and Yeah, technical team that Ferrari have put up for next year would also be a factor.

      1. unF1nnished business says:

        Not true, Kimi has worked with Adrian Newey at McLaren.

      2. Harshad says:

        :) thanks for that, I hope my point is conveyed!

  125. JB says:

    This is the best news I’ve heard all YEAR!
    YEEEAASSS!!! and yes again!

    The earliest rumour came from Raikkonen’s party a month or so back; When he told his mates that he will be wearing red next year. Of course, everyone ridicule that rumour then, but it is true after all.

    Just like the rumour of Webber’s move to Porsche was made as early as after the Multi-21 incident. Then announced months later.

    Justice has prevailed.. You’re iceman Raikkonen.

  126. AlexD says:

    Even thought I know it can go both direction, I believe it will be a very positive thing for Ferrari and for both drivers.

    Alonso will have the opportunity to become an even better driver and an even greater champion. He will be pushed extremely hard and will need to fight for every 1/1000 of a second. He will need to reestablish himself as the strongest driver in the modern era by beating kimi fairly, on track and I believe that this is what Alonso will try to do. He knows too well that he cannot allow for another case like with Hamilton in McLaren.

    Kimi is not affraid of anything and he will want to do the same. He will know whether he is stronger then Alonso. Great guy and I will support him, but I still believe that Alonso is the best today…better than Kimi, Hamilton or Vettel. He is almost complete….and he needs Kimi to overcome his last weak area…….

  127. Shabee says:

    James….your Italian sources are super informed….now what u hear is alonso definitely on for next year?i am having feeling he may not wearing Ferrari Red next year….may be he is really going to Marussia!……lol
    and your column title “Ferrari takes the ‘Plunge’”….interesting choice of a word…..

    1. James Allen says:

      No word on that yet.

      The sabbatical option is there but he has said he will honour his contract so I think he will stick it out

  128. Stephen Taylor says:

    James what things do you think counted against Hulkenberg in the decision making process at Ferrari?

    1. James Allen says:

      Experience given that there is a major rule change coming

      Whatever effect the management wanted the hiring to have on Alonso

      1. That’s an interesting perspective. Surely, with such a major rule change and impact on car physics, they SHOULD consider the younger and less experienced guys. The older a driver gets, the less able they are to adapt (generally, but obviously Kimi is a rare phenomenon given his time out of the sport yet comes back, adapts to the changes that have occurred and retakes his place up the top end of the ladder).

        Here in Oz we had a major change in formula for the V8 Super Cars this year (alright, I know it isn’t F1 but it’s the pinnacle of motorsport here but bear with me). This has resulted in the unprecedented result of a couple of rookies scoring wins, another first time winner after never getting close before (with even Nissan scoring a contraversial win in their first season back in the sport) and some of the older drivers looking totally out of their depth (poor old Russell Ingall).

        So perhaps younger, less experienced drivers with less “baggage” from many years perfecting their art with one style of car may sometimes have an advantage when the formula undergoes such a radical change.

        That said, with all of the other factors to be considered (i.e. will Alonso look elsewhere, Vettel coming free in 2 years, Shell whispering in your ear about their preference, the prior relationship of Raikkonen and Allison) this is the option they probably HAD to go with. But that must come with a huge helping of humble pie, given how they treated Raikkonen previously.

        I think Raikkonen will handle the impending team situation in his usual calm way and it will only look bad for Alonso if he throws any more tantrums. So I don’t think there is much of a situation for Domenicali to manage. As de Montezemolo now regularly points out “with Ferrari the team comes first”. Either Alonso steps up, shuts up and races or, if he makes too much noise, de Montezemolo will show him the door in the same way they did to Raikkonen.

        This is a clever strategic move from de Montezemolo as the only real option (assuming Alonso wishes to retain and renew a Ferrari contract) is for Alonso to become the model team player and motivate his team mates more than Raikkonen. Or it shows Ferrari his true value and an early termination to the contract is agreed. Everyone knows where they stand and Ferrari WILL be a better team for it.

      2. Bart says:

        I think Ferrari knows BETTER than us what they SHOULD do.

      3. Manuel says:


        thank you for your annalysis. Deep and measured and, in my assessment, probably very close to what really is happening

  129. Michael Grievson says:

    It says a lot about Kimi and his ability to willing go to a team with a strong driver.

  130. Robert N says:

    With Raikkonen being on very good terms with Vettel, and with Webber leaving RBR, the roles have suddenly reversed: now Alonso will get to know what it feels like to have a friend of your fiercest rival as your teammate.

  131. lesmo says:

    hi james,

    any chance do you think kubica would join lotus next season ?

  132. Andrew says:

    Kimi will NOT beat Alonso! Can’t believe how many people are saying it, just because he’s popular!

    Alonso’s consistency and dedication mean he’s the clear favourite – didn’t anyone read what James wrote about the unnamed engineer who said Raikkonen’s not even close? He’s worked with both of them!

    Raikkonen’s superb but Alonso will comfortably outperform him.

    1. Anop says:

      Not James. It was Andrew Benson who wrote that.

    2. Brad says:

      If that is true Andrew then why did Ferrari re-hire him? To play second fiddle, I think not!

    3. Ding wamage says:

      The unnamed engineer really might prefer Alonso to Kimi in every way (this raises questions about how closely Alonso works with his engineers).

      Another unnamed engineer might have a different view. I don’t know why unnamed engineers are so highly valued for their opinion these days.

      Both Alonso and Räikkönen have won WDC, Alonso even twice, I think it’s enough proof that they both have something that enables them to be the best.

      And let’s face it, Kimi is the best sports personality in existence at the moment, and if he turns into Sulkman over losing to Alonso, it’ll be great entertainment, just like it’ll be fun to watch Alonso disintegrate if the opposite happens.

    4. Elie says:

      Andrew, just as many people like you just did now are saying ” Kimi CAN’T..” Im not saying he will or he won’t- I will say given the right car Kimi can beat Fernando.
      I could be wrong but many people including Andrew Benson did not believe Kimi would be successful on his return… Now look at we are talking about.

    5. Harshad says:

      That unnamed Engineer was Andrew Benson himself.

    6. Andre says:

      And ofcourse this unnamed engineer is that one man in the world who knows everything. :)
      I bet there is one person out there that will say the opposite, so what is your point?

      I always laugh when people rate Alonso far above Hamilton, Vettel or Raikkonen or the other way around. There is no hard evidence to help prove your point. Its all personal opinion.

      If we could put all four of them in a car that is 100% similar in performance suiting all their different drivestyle then they will all finish within a second!

      The difference between them if any is by far not that big for any of those to comfortably outperform the others.

  133. Zombie says:

    James, will you buy me a drink if my analysis proves right ? i.e. Alonso and Ferrari will part ways if they dont win the title in 2014. And since Vettel wont be available until 2017, Kimi can carry the mantle until 2016 and then retire ( he’ll be 36 then ).

    1. James Allen says:

      Maybe. Except Vettel’s contract expires end 2015

  134. Robert N says:


    what is your feeling regarding the relative competitivenesses of Alonso and Raikkonen? Assuming that Alonso can keep his head under control, will Raikkonen be able to do a better job than Webber against Vettel, say?

    I guess in one way or another we will all find out in 2014. It reminds me a bit of when Button joined Hamilton at McLaren. I am sure most observers where surprised by how well Button did in the end.

    1. James Allen says:

      I have a view but I don’t think it’s the time to air it here

      There re quite a few engineers at Lotus who worked with Alonso when the team was Renault so there is a view there. But it would be too inflammatory to air it now

      1. Michael S says:

        I can only assume this will go along the Andrew Benson line where he says “unnamed engineers are saying Alonso is better in every way than Kimi”

      2. Brad says:

        Now you made me more curious and excited to hear what it really is James!!!

        Hope you do air it… soon

      3. Oh go on James, tell us. We won’t tell anyone else, honest! My guess is that Alonso puts in far more with regard to off-track work (simulator, discussions with engineers, general team visits, sponsor and media commitments etc) and does the hard yards. Raikkonen is a no nonsense type of guy that prefers to drive the car hard on the weekend, tell the engineers what needs to be developed then clears off to live a life and will return in time for the next race weekend. Therefore, engineers like and respect Alonso more despite the fact that he lets his frustrations out more than Raikkonen – at least he is on hand to apologise afterwards whereas Raikkonen is already sipping vodka and eating ice cream at the beach. But hey, it’s just a guess as I haven’t been close to a racing driver since Montoya was at Williams!

      4. tarun says:

        come on james, you need to tell us who would win this fight!

      5. PK says:

        James – what a tease. At least a timeframe for airing these views?

      6. Rohan says:

        How ’bout a little hint? You could word it as a riddle, if you like…

      7. Sid says:

        Wow James, so you owe us a reply… but like you say just a bit later!

      8. BlackBull says:

        Now you got us interested. Please do tell.

      9. Harshad says:

        Kindly, publish that article when this year (officially) ends.

      10. Bayan says:

        Oh James. Do tell. It’ll be between you and I… and Robert N… I promise.

      11. Sanjog says:

        Come on, spill the beans James. We just love inflammatory :P

      12. Roger says:

        Kimi must have bounced this off these current Lotus engineers, so 3 things are possible.
        1. They think he will be quicker.
        2. They think he’ll be slower, and Kimi wants to prove them wrong.
        3. He does’nt care because the contract is extremely lucrative.

      13. Vivek says:

        This will be the most anticipated view ever, Cmon James.

        I am sure you will tell us before the season ends, for telling next year will be too late.

        As long as the car is not built to suit 1 out of the 2, I feel the fight will be even stevens with no one getting a clear upper hand.

        But I would love Kimi to edge it.

      14. Fireman says:

        James, you shouldn’t air anything until you see these guys drive the same car in 2014. The results will speak for themselves.

      15. Elie says:

        James, If anyone has the ability to air an opinion in a credible and informed manner it’s you. If people (self included) don’t like it, we can agree to disagree.

        I can tell you now most people already suspect or know what this is. Kimi is not a leader, takes off after the race etc, probably used to rock up drunk , not very articulate,
        Don’t do simulator. Hes very difficult to read at times, distant .etc.But for all this there is no doubting his on track performance and at the end of the day that’s all that matters. I keep saying there is really very little separating the top 4 drivers at this point in time even if they go about it in vastly different manners and different teams.

        Fans will still like/ dislike certain things about drivers even if the facts or engineers may somehow suggest otherwise.

      16. James Allen says:

        That is not my view. I see a very different Raikkonen from the one who left in 2009 in terms of his fitness, commitment etc

        You are right his consistently high level performances have been very impressive

      17. Bernard says:

        “not very articulate”, “very difficult to read at times, distant .etc”

        Some of the people he’s worked with in the past (there’s one of the McLaren guys on skysports a lot) say his public and private personna’s are quite different.

        I’ve seen former technical people say, for example, that he’s actually very direct, clear, unemotional and accurate when describing the cars behavior.

        I don’t claim to know the accuracy of any of this – some journalists have a tendency to sensationalize, and even, dare I say it, fabricate and embroider to generate colum inches….

      18. Elie says:

        Excuse me James I just used a few common lines from bad sites to get a response. Despite his antics Ive seen training videos in his Mclaren years and he was always a very fit dude you couldn’t do what he did in those years without being in peek form. Maybe his Ferrari years were not quite as strong fitness wise and after he won in 2007 he more than partied. But it’s not like even the worst part of 08/9 he did bad its just Massa did well with a car rigged for him.

        Whitmarsh, Domenicali and now Eric swear by Kimi his intelligence, feedback and Andrea Stella at ferrari often said he was stunned by what Kimi did in a car. So it can’t be all that bad-or is it all just a front!

        So James out with it..! What’s the Lotus teams engineers perspective? Your sort of half way there without saying

      19. bbobeckyj says:

        “I have a view but I don’t think it’s the time to air it here
        There re quite a few engineers at Lotus who worked with Alonso when the team was Renault so there is a view there. But it would be too inflammatory to air it now”
        When is the time?
        Consensus seems to be that Alonso is better, but ‘inflammatory’ could mean either that you don’t want to upset an army of Raikkonen fans and have to temporarily close the blog, or that Raikkonen is at least equal. Considering that Allison has worked with both of them and no doubt had some influence in Ferrari’s decision, the mere possibility of the latter is exciting.

        James, would you be willing to comment on Alonso development work ethic? He’s famed for being great at it, but I’ve never read or heard anything to back that up. Does he spend hours in the simulator for example? I get the impression that he’s not too dissimilar to Raikkonen, perhaps walks the same walk, but talks a different talk.
        Also, do you know anything about the assurances that Raikkonen wanted from Lotus? Are they getting anywhere with more involvement from Renault, or whatever their aims are?

        Regardless, thanks for maintaining the best F1 website, I’m sure it takes a lot of time and effort, especially as so few others bother to really keep up with the politics, it’s very much appreciated.

      20. James Allen says:

        My impression is that he works hard in the background. Lot of simulator work, also has one at home.

  135. Rach says:

    Looking at all these comments I haven’t seen anyone suggest how Alonso must be feeling at the moment. Looking back to 2007 he always said that his problem was with Mclaren and not Hamilton. He felt he deserved to be number 1.

    Well after 4 years at Ferrari where he has over achieved and wrung the neck out of poor machinery he must in contrast to 2007 be feeling even more annoyed and betrayed. He must be thinking ‘ this is how they repay my work’?

    Sorry, but I’ll be amazed if him and Kimi line up next year as teammates. I sense a sabbatical and then a Red Bull drive for 2015.

  136. jmv says:

    OMG: over 300 posts today! A record I believe… plus the website is nearly crashing :D

    Here is a nice video.. Kimi qualifying in 2001 Sauber in Melbourne:


    By the way these Sauber 2001 videos of Kimi are fun to watch… car dancing all over the place, Kimi hands are really working hard! Constant steering inputs!

  137. furstyferret says:

    I think this is really going to get ugly for 2014, no not the alonso/kimi battle, but the apocalyptic battle between the kimi diehards v the alonso diehards on this forum, put your steel helmets on incoming on its way..

  138. Richard says:

    Ironic how you mention that Vettel and Raikonnen their contracts end at exactly the same moment… But I think it is still more likely Vettel will drive for Merc in 2015/2016 or so. Merc may be stationed in Brackley, but lets not forget Merc is German…

    1. GWD says:

      And, who knows… it could be Red Bull Mercedes by then… :O

      1. Sanjog says:

        Vettel will be in Ferrari in 2016.

  139. Hiten says:

    Poll: Should Massa continue to play second fiddle for rest of the season???

    1. I’m not sure it is a choice he has any influence on.

      1. Sanjog says:

        Massa is Massa. He knows Ferrari have supported him post that horrible accident and stood by him. He will see out the season trying to do his best to help the team. (El Nando :))

      2. Hiten says:

        But he also has to prove himself to other teams as well. Love your job not your employer is the mantra. If I were him I will just mind my own business and take points off Alonso.

        Last year he did very well in second half.

        Btw that was a good send off speech from Alonso to ask (imo, beg) for support for rest of season!!

  140. Lee says:

    Ferrari are getting tired of Alonso. That relationship is on the rocks and deteriorating fast. Alonso hasn’t learnt a great deal since his days at McLaren, and Ferrari are the worst team to be at and act like that.

    This signing is further evidence that the love affair with Alonso is over. It’s like leaving your wife to shack up with your girlfriend, then changing your mind and moving your wife back into the house. Alonso won’t be at Ferrari next year, sabbatical or retirement Is my guess.

  141. Michael S says:

    I dare say there is no more popular driver in F1 than Kimi. I mean look at the amount of responses on this topic in a matter of hours.

  142. Gabrielle says:

    Yesterday there was kinda of a rumour that part of the deal with the finnish was that Mark Slade could join Ferrari to become Raikkonen’s race engineer once again (for the 3rd time). Does anyone here heard anything about it?

  143. shri says:

    Good Luck to Ferrari in managing 2 champions.

    Now next to see who will have the best package in 2014 – Ferrari, RB or Merc ?

    It seems McLaren now have the weaker driver pairing. I am not impressed with Perez.

    Hulkenberg needs a better car to showcase his talent.

  144. Nige says:

    This surely now proves that Alonso doesn’t have a contract with number one status. Also confirms that he only has number one status because of his performance and number of points he’s scored.

  145. Peter says:

    If the 2014 Ferrari will be a strong car Kimi/Alonso pairing will be very bad news for the others, RBR and Mercedes. If the Ferrari is not competitive they will have even easier year as one uncompetitive car will prevent two of the four greatest drivers from winning.

  146. Roberto Arroyo says:

    I think Kimmi is driving better than ever including his championship year, so if the Ferrari next year proves competitive, we´ll see a very hard fought championsh and we´ll see alot of Montezeolo and Domenicalli calming the “roosters” and not star a war in the garage which BTWY we´ll make the best lines in years. I haven´t seen a comment about Ferrari´s engine for next year, but i will thiunk at first that Mercedes and Renault having so many years mnufacturing cars with a V6 engine, they should have some kind of advantage, maybe i´m wrong, pls James if you can add your comment on this. Thanks

  147. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    JAMES, where will be Lotus in 2014?
    Will it be competitive?

    I’m worry about HULK if he goes there…

    1. James Allen says:

      I think so. There are plenty of good people there

      1. Stephen Taylor says:

        . Would 5th in WCC sound like a fair prediction for Lotus James?

  148. SteveS says:

    These “super teams” don’t have a great track record of success. Senna and Prost were successful on the same team but that was because they had an immensely superior car. What we might well see next year is Ferrari winning the WCC, but Vettel or Hamilton taking the WDC.

    As a spectacle this might be entertaining for the fans. I’m not sure it was a brilliant move on Ferrari’s part though.

    1. I think di Montezemolo has stated on many occassions that the WCC is more important to them than the WDC. With Ferrari, the team comes first. Also, as a road car manufacturer, the WCC is (in their eyes at least) an important sales tool. It must be working as they have queues of people lined up waiting for their Ferrari to be built. But the real passion is seen when the driver stands on top of the podium – not when the team personnel pick up the constructor’s trophy.

  149. Karim says:

    Aside from all the Kimi/Alonso hype, it won’t mean anything if Ferrari can’t get their act together in terms of getting the engine ready for March. Based on this article- it looks a little worrying.


  150. adde says:

    Actually a Finnish website, suomif1.com, run by Pekka Franck, reported August the first, that Kimi has signed a contract with Ferrari. Later they added that it is a 2 + 1 year contract, with Kimi holding the option. They actually claimed that Kimi controlled when this news was to be published, but Ferrari decided on how and where the news would be published. If that is true, you would have a lead time in the contract from Kimi’s OK to the publishing. Events seem to indicate that was what happened.

    Incidentally the same site also broke the news that Kimi was going to Ferrari for 2007. They’ve done it twice now.

    The story about the party confession appears made up. Media outside Finland refer
    to Finnish papers, yet no Finnish papers or websites have carried the story.

    1. Pauli H says:

      The German Sport Bild magazine was the first one in the world to publish in the summer of 2005 that Kimi had signed a pre-contract agreement to drive for Ferrari starting in 2007.

    2. Sujith says:

      Yes…you are right. I read those stories too about Kimi wanting to decide when to announce.

      The Website said, he wanted to avoid a media mob during the Monza weekend because he wanted to concentrate on the driving and go home and let Ferrari break the news afterwards.

      1. James Allen says:

        My source in Italy – normally reliable – says it was confirmed to Kimi on Monday afternoon

      2. Bart says:

        And he signed the contract on Monday before midnight.

  151. Stephen Taylor says:

    I think music on this link is appropriate for Kimis return to Ferrari

  152. Yup says:

    Give some credit to alonso. He has given some excitement to an era completely dominated by Red Bull. I dont know many who are that constant performance wise…in any sport.

  153. Steve JR says:

    This is a great move by Ferrari. Let’s just hope he didn’t sign the contract as a number 2 driver

  154. Jorge says:

    LDM has showed great management skill, there are only 4 possible WDC for 2014, SV, FA, KR & LH, now Ferrari has two of them so Ferrari has 50% chance to obtain the WDC but has 100% to obtain the WCC. I guess is better than have Adrian Newey.

    1. holly says:

      Is not that simple, you can have all the WDC drivers you want, with no car there is no title.

      1. Sri says:

        Exactly. Even Stefano said the same thing: “Having said that, we are well aware that without a competitive car, not even Superman can win. So our priority on a daily basis is always the same, namely to give our drivers a car capable of always fighting for the top place.”

  155. Rafael says:

    I think is a move of desperation from Ferrari, since they’re moving away from a proven (no. 1 and no. 2 driver) formula. Either that, or they feel/know Alonso will be moving on soon, so they’d like to secure the next possible choice available and hedge their bets either way.

    For Alonso, I believe he won’t be trounced/”put in his place” by Raikkonen; Kimi may well have the slight edge in raw pace and talent, but I think Fernando’s not that far off and his race IQ is much higher, w/c will ultimately give him the upper hand. Besides, Fernando has always been rated as a top 3 (even top 2 or 1) driver, whereas Kimi is now just virtually a top 5 (regardless of who has/had a better car). So, I suppose, that says something. Also, I think people make too much of Alonso’s (tumultuous) tenure with McLaren and being paired w/ an equally capable teammate in Lewis Hamilton, but Fernando always maintained that he had no problem with Lewis (or his pace), but rather McLaren since he felt the team didn’t offer him the same line of support that was available to the then rookie. As F1 Racing put it: equality is one thing, support is another.

    As for Kimi, I hope he can make this work a second time around. But although much has changed in Ferrari since 2009, those who ultimately make the decisions still remain (di Montezemolo and Domenicali). Also, I think we’ve been overlooking one very important factor that made Kimi so successful, that may not be available to him in any form at Lotus or Ferrari: Ron Dennis. Think about it, Kimi was most dangerous during his McLaren years, but then somehow appeared less so in Ferrari (and Lotus). I think, what made it all possible at McLaren was Ron Dennis (w/ his obsessive compulsive “fatherly” personality), who kept the Finn in check and focused on the job at hand. But when Kimi moved to Ferrari he was basically promised to be freed from all of those “restrictions”, w/c I think was the primary reason he boiled off.

  156. Mike84 says:

    Domenicali is going to need a lot of aspirin. At least he won’t have to worry about grey hair — he won’t have any hair left.

  157. fox says:

    1. The history repeats, first as comedy, then ad tragedy. It is related to Raikkonen. It was fun to be out with bag of money. In 2014 it might be bitter.

    2. Byrne’s role is episodical. Not a big deal. Ellison is only starting, with the wind tunnel of unknown quality. Ferrari might be shitty in 2014. It will be designed for driving style of Montedzemolo.

    3. Alonso has less luck in 2013. For sure the race decisions are worse than they could be. Recall first races. So he will spoil the rest of the season to recharge himself for 2014.

    4. Raikkonen is aware how it will be difficult to outperform Alonso. He just want better team/car than Lotus. At least the team paying salary.

    5. Vettel has never been exposed. Race of the Champions is suspicious for solid judgements. Loeb seems stronger… We need smbd to measure Vettel.

    6. In 2014 the show will be within Ferrari. Nah Red Bull. Nah Mercedes. Reds will fight for 5th and 6th places but it will be cool.

    7. Nah 2013 season.

  158. Marybeth says:

    Bob Varsha said that KR was set to go to RBR, but then he got a phone call from Ferrari with an offer he could not refuse after Hungary. That is where FA’s rep went to RBR for their other seat. Just guessing, but LdM was not going to put up with that. He wanted someone he can count on for next year, Kimi. I would guess that to sign Kimi, there is a clause that says he is first or at least equal. That would make a deal ‘too good for him to pass up’. To fire FA would cost a fortune, but if he should choose to leave, because he is no longer #1, that would be another story…? With Kimi hired, FA can feel free to leave any time…?

    1. dimitris says:

      Alonso dug his own grave at Ferrari. You cannot downgrade your team because they cannot provide you with a winning car. You rise and fall together. I doubt if the engineers at Ferrai look up to him any more because of his constant complaining. They will certainly look up to Kimi who seldom complains, and never in public.
      Alonso had his chances with Ferrari, both in 2010 and 2012. In 2010 he was stuck behind a rookie driving a slower car. I know it is difficult to pass at Abu Dubhi, but I do feel that Kimi or Lewis would have passed Petrov by studying his style and forcing him into making a mistake. Fernardo looked hypnotized, expecting an unforced error by the rookie. He blamed the team for their strategy. The team did indeed made a mistake, in hindsight, but he could have at least taken a risk during the race to justify his complaining.

      Last year he was unexpainbly slower than Massa in the last races, and did not really take a chance in Brazil, in contrast to Vettel who drove an incredible race and, I might add, having to fight against his own teammate. In both cases he lacked the killer instinct he showed in 2005 and 2006.

  159. Kumar Mani says:


    After the initial reactions subside, can you tell if this story is the highly commented upon in the history of JA on F1 web site ?

  160. JohnBt says:

    Amazing news!!! It’s not the new turbo engine rules and what not.

    KIMI & ALONSO will make bigger headlines for 2014.

    KiMI – will be the ever cool iceman and ignore all team orders.

    Alonso – will crack up should Kimi be in front of him and behave like a crazy latino woman. And I’m a supporter of Alonso.

    I already like 2014, even when the new regs will make cars slower by 2 to 3 seconds from reports.

    Ron Howard……..RUSH 2?

  161. Mark says:

    Kimi will utterly and completely destroy Alonso. He will wipe the track clean with the spanied!!! The Iceman will leave the biggest sook ever seen in F1 in his wheel smoke. Why am I so convinced? Alonso, a so called 2 time world champion (because of a cheating Renault team) couldnt hold off a rookie in his very first year in F1 at Mclaren!!! Since Renault got busted cheating, Alonso has not achieved anything since. Kimi will own Alonso from day 1. No doubt about it.Kimi might not have the car to beat “ze german” at RBR for the title, but he will destroy Alonso in the same car. I predict Alonso will leave, all sooking and whinging, by mid season 2014 at the absolute latest, when he has less than half the points of Kimi! Its easy to look good against mediocre team mates, but as soon as he is challenged in the same team, he falls apart like a house of cards. What a sook. Kimi for WDC 2014!!!!!

    1. Breezy says:

      I’m a huge Kimi fan, but as much as I would like what you said to unfold, I think FA and KR will probably be closely matched each beating each other at different races. Unless of course FA decides to leave.

  162. Sujith says:

    Everybody was so keen to blame Ferrari for not being sporting and a lot of bad decisions. Yes true!! The team has been a place where all the bad decisions in F1 were made!!

    Now LDM is doing what Enzo would do. Let’s wait and see.

    In 2008 LDM wanted Kimi out. Micheal Schumacher said… well I have the solution lets change his front end of the car and call it “UPDATES”

    Kimi’s contract now would have a clause saying… I and my race engineer will be in charge of the Set up of my car!

    As for an imploding Ferrari, it is not gonna happen!! Not when Kimi is there.

  163. Bruno says:

    OK so 1-time world champion Raikkonen and 6-times world champion Vettel teammates at Ferrari in 2016

    1. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      …with Alonso and Hamilton at Red Bull ;)

  164. bearforce1 says:

    Just look at the comments here and the other F1 forums. People are interested and excited and engaging each other in mostly good argument.

    When was the last time we had such an opportunity to see a Ferrari number one driver told he now has an equal driver to compete with in the team. Sensational.

    Next year is going to be epic. Forget the championships, people are going to be watching F1 to see the Kimmi Alonso battle. To be honest most people are going to watch to see Alonso go craze and have public melt downs. Alonso train wreck springs to mind.

    The TV ratings and subscriptions are going to go through the roof because of this. The internet streams are going to lag big time cause of all the streamers watching.

    I am going to support Kimi over Alonso because I think it is unfair that Alonso has for many years had a wing man giving him race wins, points and grid positions, worst of all crashing their car deliberately. I also dislike the way Massa has been used, it leaves a very bad taste indeed.

    This is going to be the longest wait for the next season I have ever had to endure. It’ll be worth it though.

    Forza Kimmi…

    Go Kimmi Go…

  165. zarooch says:

    Hi James,

    do you have any information if Mark Slade (Kimi’s race engineer) is also joining Ferrari?

    If not, then who will engineer Kimi side of garage, Rob Smedley?


  166. rndagain says:

    Oh the drama.

    It is clear, from a team/ constructors point of view (which are how monies are awarded at seasons end) that the era of the two top-tier drivers are upon us.

    This makes for excellent racing!

    Anyone surprised that the deal was done in early August has not been paying attention.

    Suddenly, Hamilton moving to Mercedes looks prescient.

    I like Massa and wouldn’t be surprised to see him in either newly-engineered Sauber or Williams cars next year. I’d like to see him rejuvenated in the Lotus, and feel he deserves a good turn at this time.

    In my view, the sad part is how racing fans are so eager to slag Alonso. He’s done everything possible to remain competitive against the seriously well engineered Red Bull car and the occasionally shining Mercedes. Not to forget the wickedly fast McLaren of the past two years.

    Anyone who thinks it is a head-game battle between Fernando and Kimi should adjust their view — both know how difficult it will be to a) beat Red Bull and b) beat Mercedes in 2014. This task is not a singular, driver challenge, rather it is a collective team effort. If anything, Kimi and Fernando make a good combination to take on the other two constructor teams. They are much better friends than comments on this forum suggest.

    I’ve read disparaging comments about Button lately that make me shake my head in disbelief… both Kimi and Fernando will tell you he is the smoothest driver on the grid. And both trust him, completely, when dicing into a corner at, say 320km p/h.

    So, 2014 looks to be a real barnstormer of a season. Four teams, maybe five, with two top-tier drivers.

    2014 Predictions -
    1. Red Bull
    2. Mercedes
    3. Ferrari
    4. McLaren
    5. Lotus

    In other words… probably not that much fundamentally different from 2013.

    Andrew C.

  167. rob in victoria bc says:

    What I want to know is how much did Ferrari pay Kimi to leave? Looked everywhere on line, and can’t find it. Come on herowassenna and the rest of the regulars, if you know, let’s hear it.

    1. Allan says:

      I think it was mentioned approx 20 million euros.

      1. James Allen says:

        GAZETTA DELLO SPORT is saying €11m

        The real figures never tend to be as high as the ones bandied around – I got that from a few managers and agents!

    2. Elie says:

      I recall his annual base salary was. $51m p/a (€35m).- He was second only to tiger woods as the highest paid sportsman in earth. I don’t see how anyone could terminate a contract for any less. There was talk that he was negotiating a contract with Mclaren €10m and that would come off his termination agreement if he accepted and stayed F1 but he didn’t..

  168. Hermann says:

    I think Ferrari have no choice:
    1. They are competing against a team which probably is spending more (RBR) and they (Ferrari)do, and are not used to that, at least in recent years.
    2. They have teamed up Pat Fry and James Allison to have a team perfect at 360 degrees as much as possible.
    3. Now they will have 2 world champions – a very aggressive move.
    4. In these last years, Marmorini’s (ex-Toyota) work on the engine proved vital, hoping that Ferrari’s new turbo engine will be over all better than Renault’s.
    5.They have to speed up the updating of Renzo Piano’s wind tunnel. To beat Adrian Newey you need 3 things – aero restrictions, an excellent wind tunnel, someone better than Newey himself (at the moment he’s the best!).

  169. mjpt says:

    poor resource management again from ferrari
    good for marketing and supporters
    does not address the real issue of bad design, technical and management capability
    near misses at WDC level nothing to do with drivers- all to do with strategy and team function
    ferrari throwing money at situation but addressing wrong issues, poor structure = constant recalibrating to fix.
    Domenicali is a mouthpiece for LDM who is the REAL problem at Ferrari
    Whoever oversees operations at Fiat or the boardroom at Agnelli dynasty needs to look at LDM-HARD
    all dollars no sense comes to mind here
    Redbull situation same but its working because they have a good car- as soon as it starts going sideways-watch for the same dynamic
    Alonso gets a lot of bullets but he is a competitor that EXPECTS the best
    Vettel and Schu have shown same traits when things don’t go their way, its just that alonso has had more things go bad for him-when they clearly should not have.Poor in race strategy, bad personnel appointments, overspending on the wrong things..revenues will go up-i love both drivers-but I am a performance geek and that car is a pig.alonso has to be the best adjustment driver ever when one considers vettels and schus easy rides to their WDCs…

    1. fox says:

      You are 100 percent right. It is marketing rather than reliable structural change. They had to replace management, at least Domenicali, because he does not deliver.

    2. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      Agree, it is desperation from di Monty to keep his job.

      It deflects away from his poor attempts at managing the creation of a fast car in recent years, pathetic effort to fix their calibration issues, and failure to develop a car well enough in-season to be able to challenge for wins at the final races.

      di Monty doesn’t have Newey but still should be making a better job of in-season development.

      Alonso has made them look way better than they have been in recent years which is why the Team Bosses voted him best of 2012 and Autosport puts Alonso’s 2012 campaign as one of the best in F1 history.

      Stop the pouting and gesturing di Monty, get your finger out and sort the car and engineering.

      1. mjpt says:

        agreed…ferrari lost all competitive edge when in season testing was limited. They could no longer throw money and outspend everyone on development. All money no sense, as soon as the brakes come on. I guarantee that if there were ever salary caps put on ferrari would be THE WORST. LDM good at spending cash, his management technique is for the dogs. He may come from same country as medici and machiavelli and hope that he operates in similar style. WRONG. they’re pro ball, he’s still playing shirt and skins…weak

  170. Racyboy says:

    Just as long as Ferrari comes first.
    Being more a KR fan, I wasn’t too thrilled when FA replaced KR at Ferrari, but Alonso has lifted his game since he joined.
    Both of these guys can be blindly quick, but both needed assistance to achieve the results they did.
    I can’t wait to see these two little red roosters go at it, and don’t really mind which one wins the title. They’re a couple of old stagers on the back end of their F1 careers.

    I do think The Hulk might have been fun a Ferrari.
    Something tells me if Hulkenberg gets the Lotus drive, and Lotus have a competitive car, we might see something special…and I’m also keen to see what the hell an 18yr can do with an F1 car.

    1. John Gibson says:

      I think any prospect of Hulkenberg at Ferrari ever again has just perished, to be honest. McLaren-Honda will be his long-term future now.

  171. Rockman says:

    Fire and Ice, I like it!

    I like both drivers, and can only hope the only fireworks that happen is on the race track and not off it.
    If Alonso can keep his cool on and off the track, I do believe he’s a shade faster than Kimi overall. If he does lose every now and then will be the test of how much he’s learned since Mclaren days.
    Feel a bit sorry for Massa, but as the saying goes, “Nice guys finish last”. And unfortunately in F1 world, you have to be a shark to succeed.

    Now I definitely can’t wait to be in Singapore live to see all the off track action!

    1. Rockman says:

      Forgot to mention, I know Kimi is the most popular driver on the grid among fans.
      But his diefard fans need to chillout big time. Let’s just wait and see until next year and enjoy all the action Ferrari has gifted all of us fans.

    2. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      To me, Fire will melt the ice almost everywhere, except maybe Spa.

      Ice has melted a lot since 2005, especially in 08 and 09. Fire is burning even brighter than in 2005. ;)

  172. Raymond Yu says:

    Call me a cynic – but as tasty as this partnership looks, it seems to me like a stopgap team before they nab Vettel.

    I wonder actually if Vettel has taken the plunge on a 2016 Ferrari deal, and that’s why Raikkonen only has a deal until 2015, and why Vettel only did a 1-year extension.

    1-year extensions are few and far between, and even further and fewer when you consider that it was renewed so far before the expiration date.

  173. Matt W says:

    I don’ think this will end up like Senna/Prost or Hamilton/Alonso for one very big reason. Kimi does not care in the slightest what his team mate is up to. He doesn’t publicise inter-team battles and generally speak out against anyone because he doesn’t want the hassle of the publicity.

    So if there is a problem, it will be one sided from Alonso. I don’t mean that as a diss on Alonso, but if he has one weakness it is his short temper and arguments he has over inter-team battles.

    This is a very clear sign to Alonso that he is not Ferrari, he is part of Ferrari. His position has now been weakend and this has gone out as a reminder to everyone within the team what is expected of a Ferrari team member.

  174. Ding wamage says:

    It doesn’t even matter if the Ferrari car is bad next year. At least there will be the RAI/ALO race to watch! Thank you Ferrari!

    1. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

      If Newey creates another rocket, which history says is likely after big regulation changes, then the interest may well be:-

      1st – The “Ferrari inter-team Championship”
      2nd – The Constructors Championship
      3rd – Sebs easy Drivers Championship

      can’t wait but hope Ferrari can challenge Newey all season next year.

  175. Feral says:

    My beliefs…

    Ferrari needed to do something and this is in the right direction.

    Kimi = probably the most pure raw talent driver. ( great but not super great)
    Alomso = the complete al round driver, has the smarts from hard work and coming up through the ranks. (gets too involved in the politicks)

    Ham = super fast and has been nursed all the way – biggest problem out of all the top drivers is he’s (in my option is the easiest to mess with his head)
    Ros = fast but needs more time to prove himself (worth holding a top team place)

    Vet = super fast (it’s not just the car but that helps he got it so young) master of timing that 1 lap, is on the edge of greatness.(smart and still learning…booooing doesn’t trouble him too much, hard to get in his head, as he’s a hero worshiper “shuie” he likes getting the stats to prove to himself that he can break them…He’s his own worst enemy and I can see him burning himself out…and that would be ashamed.
    Dan = fast but unknown in a good reliably car, has the race craft, has to prove he has it and could surprise a few…remember RB have heaps of data on him that others don’t.

    Button = good & smart but not great, deserves a top car but he will be round in F1 forever, media smart and when he retires in a couple of years, he’s the next Murray Walker/James Hunt in one commentator :)

    Bring on 2014 :)

    The Hulk needs a top drive…the rest have to prove they deserve it lol

  176. Fireman says:

    What strikes me the most is that it’s widely accepted that Alonso can’t stand the pressure and will be expected to crack at some point. In the same time, Alonso is highly regarded as one of the best. Pretty funny contradiction.

  177. Witan says:

    From some of the comments here – ‘He doesn’t care” and similar sentiments – you would think Raikkonen was ego free but he has as big an ego as any other successful driver. He tends to show it in action not words. And as we saw in the saga of his leaving Ferrari that can be as explosive as lots of Italian or Spanish verbalising.

  178. anyone who ponces around with the words ‘iceman’ tattooed on his arm has to be suspect.

    james, i am rather gobsmacked at the sheer size of this thread. it must be great for you to see the following especially when a lot of sites are crashing. keep up the good work , it is deeply appreciated.

    1. James Allen says:

      Cheers. Tell all your friends!

  179. FernanDino says:

    To the specialists in ever lasting bla bla, those who talk endlessly about resources, management, work methods & organisation ¬ ethics and you name it, I would like to say that Red Bull has won 8 titles because it hired Adrian Newey. The “discussion about the method” should be left to philosopher René Descartes.

    As for Kimi to Ferrari (which I believe is the topic of this thread), for me it is a sort of a little dream come true! After Kimi shook off the rust in his right foot, he has proved that he deserved another chance with a big team. I was a bit sad to see him leaving Maranello. In my view the swap with Alonso was necessary back then. But it meant wasting Kimi’s talent in the meantime. We have to realise that shit not only happens to normal people. It also happened to Hamilton, as he pointed out himself. And both are NOT normal people.
    Nevertheless it comes as a big surprise to me that Montezemolo has accepted, for once, to have 2 drivers of such a caliber in the team. On rare occasions we saw a sort-of equal treatment to both pilots before. But I can’t remember Ferrari having 2 pilots at this level!

    We will see if both pilots are really “free” until June or so.

    I can’t wait to see if Montezemolo succeeds where Ron Dennis has failed the big hard way: managing 2 really great pilots!

  180. Clarks4WheelDrift says:

    It must be strange wakening up and reading things you are meant to have said, written by a team spindoctor…

    “I am really happy to be returning to Maranello where I previously spent three fantastic and very successful years,” said Kimi. “I have so many memories of my time at Ferrari, memories which have stayed with me these past years, first and foremost, winning the World Championship title in 2007, which was really unforgettable.

    “I can’t wait to be driving a Prancing Horse car again and to reacquaint myself with so many people with whom I had such close links, as well as working with Fernando, whom I consider a great driver, in order to bring the team the success it deserves.”

    …’yes, yes, yes, can’t wait, now leave me alone’ would’ve been more believable.

  181. C Lin says:

    James, do you think ALO/RAI might just surprise us instead of “tearing each other apart” like Marko & some others suggest?

    1. James Allen says:

      Raikkonen won’t be political with Alonso, he will just drive

      It’s what effect a competitive Raikkonen has on Alonso which is the question, especially as Alonso was explicitly hired as the leader

  182. All revved-up says:

    653 posts and counting, on this topic.

    Is this a record James?

    The Kimi fans and Ferrari fans are coming out in force. The marketing benefits are already starting to show.

    btw – how’s Murray Walker? I don’t know how else to ask. But can appreciate if providing details on a public forum is not appropriate.

    1. Tim says:

      Is this a record James?
      I don’t think so, the multi21 incident had almost 1200 comments.

      1. James Allen says:

        As did Germany 2010 post

      2. Sri says:

        You have to add comments in two posts as they are on same topic: this one and the reactions to this decision that currently has 350 comments. So it comes close to 1100 comments!

  183. Eff1osaurus says:

    die hard fan since i was a kid…watched as Lauda beat my hero Prost in ’84, saw the rise of Senna, watched Schumacher come from sports cars and and rewrite the record books, saw him (and joined in!) being called the villain in ’94 in OZ, in Jerez ’97, then watched him turn into a veritabel Terminator at Ferrari…but no-one has caught my eye, bar Vettel, in the way KR did when he joined Sauber.He was destined to be a stra, and “but for” appalling reliabilty with Mclaren should have had at least 3 titles to his name….

    he sealed ity as my favourite dtriver with that famous “leave me alone, i know what I’m doing” quip…

    Just imagine:

    “Kimi, Alonso is faster than you…”
    “So What”
    “So, he’s FASTER than you…”
    “Just leave me alone, i know what i’m doing”
    next lap to Alonso
    “Alonso, Kimi is faster than you”
    in Italian from FA “*&^%%#$^&%&^%&^ idiots!”

  184. Bikram says:

    Hey James

    i like your title with Raikkonen/Alonso super team & not Alonso/Raikkonen super team. Says it all isn’t it I’ve spoken to couple of journalists and they think ferrari will not favour Alonso but will try and build car around Raikkonen and let Alonso adapt with especially James Allison 365 days on duty with ferrari as tech chassis director compared to Rory bryne 100 days a year commitment.

    Another thing i have to ask you what is reaction in paddock about kimi/alonso pairing? Comments of chritian Horner & especially Whitmarsh as he expected to see kimi in lotus in 2014? come one James ill be waiting for the reply to both the ques

    1. James Allen says:

      Surprise when it was first mooted

      General feeling is it will be tough to manage

      Everyone waiting to see how Alonso deals with it next year

      1. Mark says:

        I will tell you how he will deal with it, he will fall apart like a house of cards as I mentioned earlier. A latin driver in a latin team just does not work. No matter how good he is. When is the last time a latin driver has done anything at ferrari? You have to go back to Fangio for goodness sake!!!!. The best predictor of future behavior is ones history in similar circumstances. This is a basic rule of life. I was stunned at the time that Ferrari got rid of Kimi to make room for Alonso. I said at the time on this very site that Alonso would never win the WDC with Ferrari. In a latin team full of hot heads with short fuses, you need a counterbalance of someone cool and calculated. ie Lauda, Shumacher, Kimi. These guys won WDCs with Ferrari. Look at the latin drivers in recent times with Ferrari. Albereto? Mentally destroyed. Prost? Got sacked. Alesi? Wasted talent. Barrichello? Spirit broken. Massa? A broken shadow of former self. Look at the obvious niggle between Alonso and Ferrari recently. Last driver to publicly speak against his team like that was sacked! Alonso is running out of time in his career to add more WDC’s. The rise of Ham and Vet makes it even harder for him. His team have now said you are not number 1 anymore. His poor spaniad brain is going to implode the first time Kimi out qualifies him!

  185. tim says:

    Ferrari now has all the pieces. The question is can it make a team out of them. Raikkonen will do his thing as always like a pro. I think Alonso has outgrown his tantrums of the past. Byrne is working overtime to take on Newey. The weak link might be towards the top or the organization. Montezemolo is not exactly a master delagator. And poor Domenicali reminds me of Massa more and more.

    1. Tim says:

      A polite correction. Byrne is working part time – about 100 days/year.

  186. Jasper says:

    *IMPORTANT* Was Red Bull running an illegal car in Brazil 2012?

    Hi James, I can’t reveal my sources on here, but I’ve heard some stories seemingly prompted by some comments that Nelson Piquet Snr made in a public appearance in Brazil that Red Bull’s car failed post race scutineering after Brazil last year. But we never heard anything about this through the media. It was suggested that the FIA weren’t willing to make it public to impact upon the show that we’d seen on TV, and have a Championship decided away from the track. Having searched the internet I’ve found a quote from Nelson Piquet on a Brazilian TV interview in January of this year. These are his comments regarding the podium interviews, and his instructions from the powers that be: ‘They said the championship was not decided in that moment. You have to wait for maybe February to see if the car was not out of regulation.’

    Look forward to hearing your thoughts and any further comment on this James. Many Thanks.

  187. fox says:

    Raikkonen is there because Montezemolo decided to check benchmark machinery against him. The he will decide what to do with Fry, who claimed the car was better for quali. And finally, if Alonso-Raikkonen will not deliver, then Domenicali will be fired.
    It is a final year for him as team principal i hope…

  188. FastGuy says:

    Don’t call it a super team until you see how it works. It’s like most marriages, half of which fail: you don’t know who’s thinking what until it actually happens.
    Gonna be damned interesting, though, no doubt…


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