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Vettel Takes First Home Victory As Lotus throw down the gauntlet
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Sebastian Vettel was today able to do something that he had failed to do his entire F1 career, as he took his first home Grand Prix win, holding off an impressive display by the Lotus pairing of Kimi Raikkonen and Romain Grosjean.

It was Vettel’s fourth win of the season and the 30th of his F1 career.

“It was a tough race; it was one of the toughest for a long time, ” said Vettel, who described his main emotion at winning his home race as “relief”.

“I’m happy the race wasn’t two or three laps longer, as Kimi was a bit quicker towards the end. I’m very happy that it worked out and it’s very special.”

After taking the race lead from a slow-starting Lewis Hamilton in to the first corner of the opening lap, Vettel was able to extend his lead in the opening stint and looked to have a big gap as the early switches to the prime tyre took place.

At this point Mark Webber had sat in second place after also passing Hamilton at the start, but his race came in to trouble at his first pit-stop. An issue with the right-rear tyre was unsolved as his drove away from his pit-box, resulting in the tyre coming off the car and hitting an F1 Management cameraman, Paul Allen, in the pit-lane.

Reports state that he was taken to hospital, with a cracked bone in his shoulder and rib. Red Bull was fined by the stewards for the incident.

With higher air and track temperatures the Lotus car came in to its own. As the cars starting on the option tyre pitted for the prime compound around the six lap mark, Grosjean was able to run until thirteen laps in to the Grand Prix before making the switch to primes. This put Grosjean in the hunt for the race victory as he put himself in second place following his stop.

At this point Vettel held a comfortable twelve second gap between himself and Raikkonen, but that was undone by a Safety Car period as the race entered the halfway stage.

Jules Bianchi’s Marussia suffered a blown engine at the final chicane before rolling back across the track and down the hill, prompting the Safety Car and a flurry of pit stops.

When the race restarted it was how you were for the leaders, albeit much closer together. Grosjean began to pile even more pressure on the Red Bull driver with Raikkonen close behind. Lotus had hoped to stick to ‘Plan A’, presumably a two-stop race, but changed to three stops when their tyre wear became too extreme with seventeen laps still to run.

Grosjean was the first to make a third stop; Vettel following suit a lap later. This denied the Frenchman the chance of an under-cut an their positions remained unchanged following the stops.

At this point it appeared that Raikkonen, now in the race lead and fifteen seconds ahead of Vettel, would attempt to complete the race on his degrading prime tyres. But with eleven laps left he pitted for a second set of the soft option tyre, dropping to third and set about chasing Vettel for the win.

Grosjean let him past with little resistance and he closed to within a second of Vettel by the race end, but was unable to deny the World Championship leader of his 30th career victory.

He is now 34 points ahead of Alonso, and sees his team extend their Constructor’s Championship lead to 67 points over Mercedes.

Last week’s winners had a day to forget as Hamilton lost out to both Red Bull’s and suffered a lack of grip on the medium tyre following his first stop and spent much of the race in traffic. He made a late third stop and was able to pick his way through the pack to fifth place and maintain his team’s three point advantage over Ferrari in the teams Championship.

Nico Rosberg could not make up the ground lost in yesterday’s disappointing qualifying session and ended the day in ninth place after battling with Nico Hulkenberg for much of the race.

Alonso was the sole points scorer for Ferrari after Felipe Massa spun at turn one in the opening laps and retired from the Grand Prix. The Ferrari was unable to match the pace of the Lotus and Red Bull ahead, but Alonso was able to make the best of what was available. He sees his lead over Raikkonen in the Championship now cut to seven points.

McLaren had one of their strongest races of 2013, with Jenson Button and Sergio Perez taking sixth and eighth places respectively. They were the first of the two-stop runners and this result gives them encouragement  in catching regaining fifth place in the Constructor’s Championship from Force India.

GERMAN GRAND PRIX, Nurburgring, Race
1. Vettel Red Bull 25 Pts
2. Raikkonen Lotus 18 pts
3. Grosjean Lotus 15 pts
4. Alonso Ferrari 12 pts
5. Hamilton Mercedes 10 pts
6. Button McLaren 8 pts
7. Webber Red Bull 6 pts
8. Perez McLaren 4 pts
9. Rosberg Mercedes 2 pts
10. Hulkenberg Sauber 1 pt
11. Di Resta Force India
12. Ricciardo Toro Rosso
13. Sutil Force India
14. Gutierrez Sauber
15. Maldonado Williams
16. Bottas Williams
17. Pic Caterham
18. van der Garde Caterham
19. Chilton Marussia

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  1. Vale says:

    Yes baby!
    Congrats Seb, let’s win the championship.

    1. Thread the Needle says:

      It’s in the bag already, 4 in a row, unreal

      1. Get Well Soon Murray says:

        No one team can seem to make a concerted challenge. Ferrari will have a go for a couple of races. Then Merc will have a go. Now Lotus are having a go. All the time Vettel keeps on raking up the points…

      2. Timmay says:

        Thats how it is every year since the points system changed. Consistency wins – it just happens that Vettel consistently wins too.

      3. danny11 says:

        And you think it is a good thing for F1???

      4. Thread the Needle says:

        No I don’t think it’s good for the sport, I’m a massive fan of the last race title fight

        But this year vettel is in some form, if he hadn’t broken
        down in silverstone that would be three wins in a row, plus vettels lethal from Suzuka onwards, I just can’t see Ferrari being able to catch him especially with the pace of the car

        Vettel hasn’t won in Hungary yet, so some hope for Ferrari

      5. Dave C says:

        From suzuka onwards? more like from the asia leg onwards? so basically from Singapore he is nearly untouchable especially Suzuka, Korea and India, but don’t worry the Mercedes engine will be too much for Seb and RBR next season most insiders thinks there’s going to be a huge merc advantage, even Newey is complaining about next year being a engine formula.

      6. Aaron Noronha says:

        Yes and until this year he never won in Canada and Germany and in the month of July. So the assumption of never winning Hungary or America holds no water until the race is actually over and we have some other winner

      7. justafan says:

        No, it’s not. RBR have reliability issues to solve. Can they do it?

      8. Andrew Carter says:

        I know reliability has been exceptional for the lst 6 years or so, but when did it get to the point that a single break down for the year is considered an unreliable car?

      9. Tealeaf says:

        Na I don’t think its in the bag just yet the car is a good allrounder but as you can see from some races, Ferrari, Mercedes and Lotus has all been faster at certain times, if that gearbox didn’t fail then i agree.

      10. CYeo says:

        Notice how many times Vettel yelled ‘Yes’ into the radio at the end? 3 + 1

      11. fabio says:

        Yes, Yes, Yes, and YES again!!!

      12. H.Guderiam says:

        DOD: Newey

      13. absolude says:

        Uhmmm, why?

      14. Tim says:

        If there is anyone who doesn’t appreciate the difference the car makes to a drivers performance, have a look at how Jenson got on with the Honda and then with the Brawn….. Now tell me the car isn’t the most important factor!

    2. Olivier says:

      That was a Champion’s drive by 4ettel

      … and a little teaser of 2014: Kimi giving Vettel a run for his money. I can’t see Kimi staying at Lotus. Red Bull need to safeguard their future by signing up another world Champion. Experience is key in 2014.

      1. aveli says:

        vettel was asked about kimi joining his team and he said he didn’t mind and went on to talk about richiardo without being asked so kimi may be too much for vettel.

      2. Andrew Carter says:

        I don’t know, if Lotus can keep up this level of form I can see Kimi staying.

    3. gudien says:

      Congrats to a great driver and team, Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull. May they win many more.

    4. Cohen says:

      I see comments about Hamilton not being happy with his car- what about Kimi? As a viewer, it is clear he is still not 100% happy with his power steering, and could probably go a lot faster over a lap if it was to his liking. Put it this way, if Raikkonen was driving the Mclaren that failed in 2005 today, he would have dominated.

    5. Sebee says:

      I think we have to take up a collection to print a plaque and send it to Vettel.

      He may have 3 WDCs, but he certainly dosn’t have that many JAonF1 DOTDs!

      1. Tim says:

        It’s a strange thing, Vettel just isn’t as popular as a 3x WDC driver should be. I was listening carefully when they did the podium interviews and had my ‘cheerometer’ tuned in – I think Kimi got at least, as loud, or maybe a louder cheer than the local boy. The usual argument of ‘well, it’s because he is German’ doesn’t fit on this occasion. Any suggestions?

  2. LewisTheBest says:

    Why did Lotus pit Kimi behind the traffic on the first stint?? And allow Romain to pull a gap of 10 sec by staying out longer….

    The race was lost there i believe.

    Its the same as Silverstone where they pit Romain first to undercut alonso in front instead of pitting Kimi first to cover Alonso behind.

    In the end making kimi losing more positions.

    1. Quade says:

      Lotus made too many mistakes today, both with pitting Kimi and not getting Grosjean to let him through on time.

      One the race in general…
      Congrats to Vettel. He did very well, although I’d thought it would be a much easier race for him. Its ominous that Lotus and Merc (especially) seem to be able to keep up the development game. Mercs astounding development pace could see the championship on a knife edge by seasons end.

      1. justafan says:

        Don’t out rule Ferrari just yet. They have one of the best development drivers who has much more experience than the Mercedes drivers.

      2. Anne says:

        I disagree about Mercedes. On Saturday they messed up with Rosberg in qualy. And today Lewis was on pole. In blink of an eye two RB overtook him. All he could do was to finish in P5. They didn´t have good pace

      3. Andy says:

        Yes I agree, and no doubt their development pace was helped by 1000km of testing.
        Hamilton braked so early for the first corner, maybe he was cautious because of the sticking brake problem he had on the grid.

      4. Tim says:

        I think the poster was referring to development pace as opposed to race pace :-)

      5. Aaron Noronha says:

        Mercedes compromised on their race pace just to get qualification right for their home GP. Cant fault them because they had no idea how the higher temperatures and new tyres would perform. Their race plan starting in front might have been to build up a healthy lead over 2nd place and depending on how the tyres hold on do a two stop or a three stop. Even if Hamilton held on to first place at the end of the first corner he dint have the pace to build up the necessary margin for a three stopper nor would he be able to keep the Redbull or the Lotus behind

        Unfortunately missing the tests will hurt them more than the advantage they received doing their own tyre test. All teams will trail some major updates and try out parts that might not be raced immediately but in subsequent races. While Mercedes will be compromised testing parts during race weekends. That will not only put stress on their engines but also compromises their race preparation/setup for that particular race.

      6. Quade says:

        Merc doesn’t have race pace.

        Its not something they can dial in or out. As supporting evidence, they would have done created race pace for Rosberg, after he didn’t make Q3; but they didn’t, because they couldn’t.

    2. monsterFG says:

      It could have been won but Lotus hesitated to have Roman move out of the way 4 laps earlier when they told him first time “dont hold him” which meant to let Kimi by without fight but it took Lotus 4 laps to realise that Roman didbt care about it which in the end cost Kimi the win, 2 more laps or being let by Roman 2 laps earlier and it would be Kimi’s win and I think these strategic mistakes will make Kimi leave Lotus…

    3. alx says:

      I agree with better race management Lotus would have won today. Grosjean had a very good disciplined race. he has speed, must control himself and who knows what he can achieve.

  3. Nuno says:


    Any idea why the SC stayed for so long? When the Marusia finally stopped it was already way out of the track.

    1. Antti says:

      Once it was out, it needed to wait until all the cars were collected. It came in just as soon as Webber caught the rest.

      1. grat says:

        I can understand the safety car letting Webber pass– they’re supposed to let the lapped cars get out of the train, so they’re not slowing down the cars on the lead lap.

        But I can’t understand letting Webber drive full speed around the circuit to unlap himself and rejoin at the back of the pack… the safety car should have pulled in as soon as Webber was in front of it.

        I thought the delta time rule was still in effect, meaning that Webber should have been penalized for going under 120% of the lap time (which I’m guessing is around 1:35, so anything under 1:55 would have been speeding).

      2. James Allen says:

        He wasn’t flat out, that’s why it took a while to restart after the note went out to unlap himself

      3. Given that Webber was already at the back of the train of cars when the safety car came out, couldn’t the timing computer just add a lap to his tally and they would have got on with the racing a lot sooner, rather than the fiasco of having him pass everybody one lap and then take another two laps to catch the tail end?

      4. tara_185 says:

        I actually like this rule. It makes it cleaner at the restart and It’s fair to marussia and caterham who are only racing each other (they dont need the big boys constantly lapping them)
        I remember at Singapore in the last couple of laps a back marker got in the way at the restart and comprised the guy in second who was challenging for the win.
        I will admit that it seems to take forever to get around tho.

      5. Jato says:


        Why does Charlie just tell Webber to go to the back of the grid (which he was already) rather than actually unlapping himself and give that lap back rather than wasting extra time with the safety car considering the car was already out of the way? Same with backmarkers in the future.

        Unless electronically, they need to do this to ensure that timing etc. works correctly.

      6. iceman says:

        From the lap charts it looks like he was pretty close to flat out James.
        It appears the safety car was out laps 24-29, and on laps 26-28 Webber did 1:39.826, 1:36.908 and 1:37.491. The 1:36.9 was his fastest lap of the race up to that point and he didn’t better it until lap 40, after his next pit stop.

        Maybe Charlie had lifted the speed limit? It would make sense to get him to the back of the pack as quickly as possible if the danger had already been cleared.

    2. Dan says:

      This is my current favourite gripe!

      Totally unnecessary deployment again! I think they were perfectly happy to remove the stricken Marussia under double waved yellows until it started rolling backwards. Deploying the safety car was overly cautious… again. It was actually rolling into a safer and more easily recoverable position.

      If double waved yellows are not deemed to convey to drivers that extreme caution is required then what’s the point in having them?

      Why do we need a safety car at all in fact? If the cars need to be guided slowly around a crash site or a large amount of debris, then just red flag the race and keep the racing laps. If you need 2 minutes to remove an abandoned vehicle can’t we just have a circuit wide caution like in oval racing? Drivers just drive round to a delta (they already have the electronics in place for this).

      2.5 second pit stops with no wheels attached pose more of a safety threat than a marrusia free wheeling away from the race track and what is done about this? 35k fine? So a weekend’s worth of tyres (give or take) to put it in context. Not really much of a deterrent in the grand scheme of things.

      1. David says:

        Maybe they were being overly cautious. But at one point a car was in the middle of the track, albeit a very short time, and marshals were deployed on the track to remove it. You don’t want cars at racing speeds (even under yellow) with track workers in harm’s way. Better safe than sorry.

  4. Valentino from montreal says:

    Vett3l does’nt waste anytime disposing his competition … He passed Hamilton at the first corner , after that it was Ciao , sayonara , goodbye , and into the distance …

    Only 2 away from tying Alonso .. Cant wait !

    1. Sebee says:

      Sucks for everyone who bought that V3ttel T-shirt…good for barely a year. ;-)

      1. Miha Bevc says:

        They will have VE7TEL T-shirts soon enough :)

      2. Sebee says:

        Where can we pre-order to get good use out of it?

    2. mhilgtx says:

      All without DRS for most of the race.

      1. Elie says:

        No I think he lost it for a few laps- (his words to that effect). Don’t exaggerate

      2. mhilgtx says:

        It was KERS not DRS and according to the broadcast I watched it seemed like much than a few laps. Most of the race is probably a stretch though. The last few laps was when the radio broadcast came from Rocky (I think)that now KERS was fixed and to get going. Great stuff.

        By the way I think if Kimi had been able to talk to the team he might not have pitted and that might have let him win. That was certainty David Hobbes take on it.

  5. Miha Bevc says:

    This was a great race, edge of seat stuff! Vettel really had to fight for this win but he ticked two boxes: home win and win in July :)

  6. Andy says:

    Vettel always seemed to have it under control.

    The FIA made some curious decisions. By the time the safety car was deployed. the Marussia was in a safer place that when it broke down, and why did we have to watch the safety car for another 7 laps?
    Then comes the Stewards decisions for unsafe release in the pit lane. Why investigate after the race and then only issue a fine?
    We are talking about ‘UNSAFE’ release, only give a fine and teams will continue to do it if it gives them an advantage on track, bills can be paid but points can’t be bought.

    1. BW says:

      So who’s to blame for unsafe release if not just the team?

    2. I know says:

      Webber didn’t gain an advantage (or stood to gain an advantage) from the unsafe release, quite the opposite. An on-track penalty for him would have been inappropriate, especially since the unsafe release was not his fault (he reacted to the lights). Whether or not a fine for the team is appropriately severe depends entirely on the amount.

      1. Tim says:

        When I read the post, I assumed it was referring to Di Resta unsafe release – maybe wrong. But if it was, then I agree that a fine was a strange punishment. If it was Webber then I agree with your assessment.

      2. Andy says:

        I’m not saying Webber deserved a penalty, I’m saying that if the Stewards are only going to give out fines, as in this weekend, then some teams may release cars unsafely to gain any advantage they can, and pay the fine.

      3. I know says:

        Releasing a car into the path of another car in the pit lane is a tactical move with the aim of gaining an advantage in the race, and should be penalised on the track. In Webber’s case, it looked like a technical fault. Webber dropped from 2nd to last as a result, so I don’t think an additional penalty on the track was warranted. If the team has an unsafe procedure, they should be penalised financially, and maybe one could argue that the fine was too small. However, unless it happens again, I don’t think it points to a culture of undue risk taking at Red Bull, so I don’t see the need for more severe punishments at this point.

        When Button left the pit with a loose wheel at the British GP in 2011 in very similar fashion, the fine for McLaren was a mere €5000 – but of course, at that time, nobody got hurt.

      4. Andrew M says:

        If you don’t punish the teams on track for being unsafe, they just ignore it and treat it as a cost of racing. Massa was given a drive through for an unsafe release at Singapore 2008 for a much less dangerous situation that wasn’t his fault. I think the teams and drivers lean far too much on safety rules, like not slowing down sufficiently when yellow flags are waved and now this. This was a massive let off for all concerned, F1 should act now to avoid a repeat with much worse consequences.

    3. hero_was_senna says:

      And if the circumstances had been different, lives can’t be replaced

    4. George says:

      I agree, and if certain action did take place at red bull to slow down Mark and that camera man died would that not put red bull in big trouble.? Just always seems to be a pit issue or start issue, unbelievable. He fixes the starts then …. If Kimi gets into red bull then watch the vettle sparks and dummy spits fly.

      1. He do says:

        And that’s why Ricciardo will get the RB seat next year

      2. Jolgas says:

        Why does Webber always seem to have problems when he is near Vettel?
        Why are Vettels pit stops so professional and smooth?
        Can’t imagine Vettel being sent back into the race on 3 wheels.
        Another team investigation?

      3. dean cassady says:

        If it is so obvious, the limiting of Webber, and Kimi is a smart person, would he walk into that situation at Red Bull?

    5. Tim says:

      No, when the safety car was deployed the car was rolling across the track – in fact it was only about a full car length on to the track, with the front wheels barely off the grass. The call was made very quickly as soon as they realised they had a moving car under no control.

      1. Andy says:

        Yes it was deployed quickly an quite rightly, my point was the sheer length of time the safety car was on track. The recovery ‘digger’ and marshals were already on scene, yet we had to watch the safety car for 15 minutes.

      2. hero_was_senna says:

        Product placement!

    6. Bart says:

      Like they would risk lives just to slow down Webber. Just like they must have decided to switch off Vettel’s gearbox to spare everyone another Vettel win at Silverstone. Face it man, Webber would have finished 4th behind the 2 Lotuses without the incident, or even 5th, with Alonso bearing down on him.

      1. Tyemz says:

        you don’t have to make MW look bad in order to make SV look extremely good. We all know how quick MW could be on his day, just that RB are afraid to let him take his days. If MW was anything as poor as you make it look, he wouldn’t have been next to SV on the starting grid for most of the season so far and RB wouldn’t have had to mess up his race somehow.

    7. I agree – it was strange when they announced Di Resta’s unsafe pit lane release would be investigated after the race, followed then by Webber’s. Granted, they were in different circumstances but it sets a dangerous precedent.

      If a team is vying for points, far better to have an unsafe release and cop a $7K fine than wait and lose track position (they will be the cheapest points earned at that fine rate). So this would encourage risky pit maneuvers rather than stamp them out. I believe the instant in-race penalty of a tour through the pit lane is effective AND they still have the option of additional recourse for an incident such as Red Bull’s.

    8. Sean Thompson says:

      A sensible decision from the stewards. No one could have predicted where the car was going to stop. It just so happens that the car stopped in about as good a position as you could hope for.

      Jolgas and George: Are you seriously suggesting that Red Bull intentionally sent Mark out with an unsafe car? Get a grip.

    9. Jay Bopara says:

      It has shades of 2009 again. In 2009, Webber won his first grand prix at this circuit – the Nurburgring. It is Mark Webber’s best circuit. I think this is the first time anyone has out-qualified Mark on this circuit.

      After his victory in 2009, he then podiumed in Hungary and he catapulted into 2nd place in the drivers championship – ahead of Vettel, but behind the Brawn of Jenson Button, and looked like a great chance for the championship.

      Around this point, Mark was re-signed by Red Bull for 2010 (http://www.ausmotive.com/2009/07/25/webber-happy-to-re-sign-for-2010.html). Then for the next five races, Mark did not score a *single point*, with a whole series of bizarre car problems and team blunders, like the pitstop blunder in Spa.

      And now again, Webber was quicker than Vettel and back in the hunt for the championship (being less than 2 wins behind Vettel), and having gone faster around the circuit than Vettel who was stuck in traffic, a quick pit stop would’ve seen Webber emerge in front of Vettel. Not something that many people in Red Bull would have wanted at all.

      1. Bart says:

        Vettel was on fresh tyres and was still over a second behind the car ahead after pitting. Webber would have simply come out behind him, and maybe even Hamilton.

      2. Jay Bopara says:

        Bart, were you paying attention to the lap times? Grosjean and Webber were lapping faster on their old soft tyres in clear air than Vettel in traffic on his fresh mediums.

      3. Bart says:

        @Jay Bopara

        Webber was a mere 14 seconds ahead of Vettel after Vettel’s stop (and before his own), on lap 8, when 16-17 seconds would have been needed:


        How was he going to emerge in front of his teammate then?

      4. Mbrazel says:

        That is not true with an ordinary pit stop webber was going to come out in front

      5. Bart says:


        Again, he was only 14 seconds ahead, not likely to be enough to come out ahead.

    10. Alexis says:

      The safety car was deployed as soon as it was rolling. A bit pointless when it stopped rolling 10 seconds later, but all cars slow down as soon as the safety car is activated, so the track was made safer even if there was no safety car.

    11. aveli says:

      i think the safety car was deployed because there was an unmanned car in motion on the circuit and they couldn’t predict where it would go or stop. it’s not easy to make such decisions on the move. watching the race trackside alone sends the brain into information overload let alone making decisions about changing conditions as well.
      as for the mild fine for unsafe release, teams would do it if the fine remains so mild. they should fine redbull enough to pay for compensation for the cameraman’s losses due to his injuries as well as legal and admin costs. redbull got off lightly in my view.
      on the other hand, i think the mechanics who jumped out of the way of the tyre could have stopped it. jumping out of the way in the manner they did, allowed it to hit the cameraman.

  7. CYeo says:

    Quite a nail biter right up to the end, what a race!

    Vettel has finallay broken his July duck.

    Hamilton said he had to be wary of the Red Bulls, I don’t think he expected that poor start to compound Mercedes’ tire issues so early.

    The backwards rolling Marussia had to be the silliest thing in this race.

    Looks like someone forgot to pull up the parking brake! How about using the headrest as a chock next time?

    After the pit lane bowling strike by Webber’s bouncing wheel, will all pit-lane personel require helmet protection?

    If the detached wheel was on the left side, the pit-wall bosses would have been in real danger.

    1. Mike J says:

      Although i agree with you that having a helmet is a good thing, it would not have helped protecting the cameraman from the injuries he sustained.
      So then should all personnel in pit lane including the team managers on the wall wear helmets too???…where does it stop?

      I don’t know the answer but it reminded me of 1994 Imola….we have learned a lot since then, it needs to be reviewed…

      1. iceman says:

        And the other thing that’s been mentioned is a reduction in the pit lane speed limit, which would also have made no difference in this case.

        The only way I can see to prevent this sort of accident would be a mandatory minimum pit stop time, so there is time to change the wheels without mistakes, and for the lollipop man to check properly that all four corners are complete before releasing the car.

        I don’t think that’s a proportionate response to what is a fairly unlikely accident though. I’d go for some substantial sporting penalties to encourage the teams to play it a bit safer with their pit stops.

      2. hero_was_senna says:

        How about the teams cars both have stop and go penalties if one is released in safely?

      3. I know says:

        Minimum stoppage times would work just like an overall speed limit in F1 – it would improve safety, but it would also reduce the spectacle. Although we should take any sensible step to reduce the risk, in the end we just have to accept that motor racing remains a dangerous sport for all involved.

        I am sure the camera man would agree – his presence in the pit lane, and his job, are a direct consequence of pit stops being part of the spectacle. Let’s wish him a speedy recovery.

    2. Andrew M says:

      I couldn’t watch after the tyre struck the cameraman, I feared the worse. What happened was terrible and unfortunate but it could have been much worse.

      I think we should introduce very harsh racing penalties for teams (and by extension drivers) released without all their wheels secured, up to and including disqualifications and deductions in constructor points.

      1. Rishi says:

        I was staggered that both Red Bull and, in the separate incident Force India, both only escaped with fines after this race.

        I thought Red Bull should have ended up with something like a one-race ban, ideally suspended for the rest of the season. I remember the FIA giving Renault a one-race ban after they sent Alonso out with a wheel unsecured at the Hungaroring a few years back.

        Admittedly that ban was eventually rescinded and the initial ruling was perhaps influenced by the serious head injury Felipe Massa had suffered earlier that same weekend. However, with the teams pushing for ever-shorter pitstops I do feel there is a role for sporting penalties to be used (and in this sense perhaps constructors’ points would be the best solution – as it does feel unfair to penalise the driver) as a way of reminding teams that, in their quest for speed, the safety of people working in the pitlane should not be compromised.

      2. Rockie says:

        Lol bitter much?

      3. Rishi says:

        (Reply to Rockie, rather than myself)

        No not bitter at all. Tbf, when you see someone get hit by a tyre like that it does generate an emotional response so maybe that explains the tone of my reply. At the same time, although we could all debate what sort of sporting penalty would be most appropriate, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with applying a sporting penalty when an unsafe release has put others at risk. It doesn’t matter whether the release was done by Red Bull, Ferrari or any of the other teams.

        Although the Force India unsafe release was less dangerous it also put JEV at risk. So I also think they should have had a sporting penalty, even if it was only a drive-through penalty.

  8. H.Guderiam says:

    Suddenly, Mr. Horner and Mr. Mateschitz stop complaining about tyre DEGRADATION (“This is not racing anymore….”). In fact, they seem to be very happy. Can someone please explain what happened?? 8-)

    1. Me says:

      The tyres weren’t degrading.

      I would have thought that was obvious.

      1. Quade says:

        But they all did three stops. I think the diffence is that the tyres didn’t shake up the performance hierachy; the teams are all shamelessly selfish.
        Lets hope the tyres from Hungary onward would be even more durable, so we can have better racing.

      2. James m says:

        Yes they did 3 stops but this is with the drivers pushing the cars a lot harder than earlier in the season. Compare this the Barcelona and is a big difference

      3. H.Guderiam says:

        You really didn’t get it, right???

        Two options:

        1) SAME TYRES (except kevlar belt), but RBR fixed their problems – “WOW!!! THIS is racing”.

        2) Pirelli CHANGED TYRES (*rubber*) to please moaning teams (teams that use to win but were loosing now) – “WOW!!! THIS is racing”.

        So, in your opinion, what of the above options is the correct one???

      4. Me says:

        Neither of the two options is correct.

      5. H.Guderiam says:

        Me, you are REALLY funny.

        P.S.: Do you still believe Ferrari is the fastest car???

      6. Tim says:

        Me Reply:
        July 7th, 2013 at 7:20 pm

        The tyres weren’t degrading..

        I would say that depended very much on which car you were driving ;-)

    2. K says:

      If you had watched the race you would have seen everyone was able to push to the limit, instead of driving around 2 seconds slower than what they could.

      Yes, that is racing and the way the tyres should be so nursing the tyres are not the dominant factor.

      1. Anthony Young says:

        In that case, why was the fastest lap four seconds slower than the pole? Rest assured they were still all driving to a vector time as before.

      2. K says:

        They were pushing all the way. You cant compare soft tyre fresh 1 lap qualify speed with hard tyres at the end of a race with 20 laps on them.

      3. monsterFG says:

        And exactly 4 seconds slower than a lap record set in 2004 by Schumi. some very fast F1 cars we have now do we now :)

      4. iceman says:

        Some of it will be down to the combination of fuel loads and tyre degradation, plus a few other factors, but I don’t know if that can account for the whole difference.

        The guys who pitted for softs 10 laps from the end, like Alonso and Raikkonen, would have still had roughly 25kg of fuel in the car, which from the numbers in James’ preview would make them just under 1 second per lap slower than a car with only l lap of fuel in it.

        I’m not sure if Alonso and Raikkonen had new soft tyres to use at the end of the race, but if not then that would cost a little more time compared to a qualy lap on fresh tyres.

        Finally there’s DRS. In qualy you get both DRS and (with luck) a clear track in front of you. In the race, you get one or the other.

        I can’t see the factors above adding up to more than a 3s lap time penalty. Alonso’s first race lap on his soft tyres was roughly 3.5 seconds off his best qualy lap. Raikkonen’s best was more like 4s slower than qualifying but he did that quite late in the final stint after passing Grosjean. So it’s in the ballpark but there does still seem to be an element of conservation there.

      5. Jake says:

        “If you had watched the race you would have seen everyone was able to push to the limit”
        Wrong, Merc for one were no where near the limit of the car.

      6. K says:

        That’s their problem, most other teams were pushing to the limit.

    3. BadName says:

      They stopped complaining before Canada, since they got vetoed by other teams on the tyre change.

      They never stopped expressing their concerns over safety, which proved to be correct.

    4. GWD says:

      I thought it was more along the lines that the tyres were doing what they were intended to do – have peak performance for a set time/laps based on data logged by each team regarding fuel weight, aerodynamic efficiency, track characteristics, etc, lose performane at a gradual rate, then fall off the performance cliff, necessitating changing – which is different from having peak performance for an unpredictablely short time even if you nurse the tyres especially at heavy fuel weight, lose structural coherence (gradual to heavy to full delamination depending on the track characteristics, driver style) and performance, then fall off the car/fail at some random point, most likely at high speed…

  9. Sebee says:

    Can we agree that Kimi is runner up in the GP and DOTD today? Surely Vettel is DOTD now, right?

    1. Alexander Supertramp says:

      I believe he is, even though I hate to admit it :D.

    2. Tornillo Amarillo says:

      No, it’s GROSJEAN.

      Vettel did nothing, just the clean air ahead, at the start it was Hamilton’s fault (overtook by Webber also).

      1. Sebee says:

        Actually, you and I did nothing on the sofa. Vettel did all he could to stop some charging drivers and win the big prize.

      2. Dave C says:

        Exactly what I was thinking, the English fans and media never likes giving Seb’s talent any credit, we’re looking at a future legend and Schumi’s records are closer every race, just turned 26 years old 30 wins, 3 titles whos to say by this time next year we’re not seeing 40 wins and 4 titles for Seb.

      3. Matthew Cheshire says:

        True. But that’s what he always does. Whereas Grosjean usually impales an opponent and charges off the track. Before the first corner.

        So by finishing a race, on the podium without killing anyone Grosgean has exceeded our expectations threefold.

        Looked like just another day at the office for Vettel.

        The argument really, is DOTD awarded on skill or spectacle?

      4. Srinivas says:

        Vettel is undoubtedly DOTD.

      5. Siobhan says:

        100%.. he held off challenges from Webber, Grosjean and Kimi to win this race.. it was not as if Vettel opened up a big gap and stayed like that for the rest of the race.. he kept a cool head and drove brilliantly

      6. Bart says:

        Vettel did nothing. Except for winning the race (which I think is what they all aim to do) against the pair of faster Lotuses.

    3. LewisTheBest says:

      how is romain DOTW??

      he got the better strategy and couldn’t capitalize on it.

      Kimi was screwed by his team again on the first pit stop despite being the leading driver on the first stint. In the end, got held up by slower teammate and lose the win.

    4. Elie says:

      No Sebee we can’t . Im no fan of Grosjean but he drove an excellent race and took it to Seb yesterday. Lotus made a few calls that were not right for Kimi and he was a chance also.. Both Kimi and Romain attacked Seb in a car that was half a second slower on Saturday.
      DOTD Grosjean-/Kimi, then Seb

    5. Andrew M says:

      I agree :) Today was a pretty good race all things considering; it wasn’t a belter but it was interesting right to the end. The tyres mixed up the strategy well, drivers could push hard for the whole race, even the double-DRS zones didn’t make overtaking too mickey mouse.

  10. Pablo says:

    Why did Alonso stop at end of race? fuel issue?

    1. Osama says:

      He was obliged to use the soft option eventually. Remember the rules say u must use both types of tires and he only used mediums until his last stop

      1. I know says:

        The question was not why he made the final pit stop, but why he stopped his car on track after the end of the race. The answer is that he ran out of fuel.

      2. Osama says:

        Aaaa sorry, thought u were asking about the pit stop!! U r right with the fuel thing, the team were worried about not having enough fuel for post race sampling, that’s why they told him to stop :)

  11. Nick says:

    Good drive by Vettel. Not an outright comfortable win but he was never threatened after taking the lead at the first corner. Solid drives by Kimi and Romain but Lotus made a mistake by pitting Kimi early and let him be stuck behind Rosberg-Hamilton for a number of laps, cost them the win. He could’ve come out ahead of both had he stayed out a couple of laps longer.

    1. SteveS says:

      Never threatened? He was under pressure for most of the race, with the lead being about two seconds at most and often well under one second. If that’s not “threatened”, what is?

      1. Brad Withyman says:

        His threat was eliminated during his team mates pitstop.

      2. Nick says:

        I didn’t see him ever being attacked by a car behind. He never had to fight anyone. Even Raikkonen couldn’t make an attempt to overtake. He kept the competition at an arm’s length without any trouble.
        Maybe its Red Bull and you expect them to win in a more dominant fashion. Vettel had to push right at the end but stayed out of reach without much trouble. He would’ve had a tougher task had the race been a couple of laps longer.

    2. Seán Craddock says:

      “never threatened”? He won by only 1 second! He had to cut short his stint to cover Grosjean! What does threatened mean to you; does he have to actually be passed?

      1. Nick says:

        threatened means actually having to defend his position from the car behind. Neither Grosjean nor Raikkonen could make a serious overtaking attempt.

      2. Seán Craddock says:

        I don’t think threatened is the right word to use then.

        If there was a tiger approaching me with the intent of eating me, I would say I was threatened. I would not feel that I have everything under control, I know I can run fast enough to get away in time; but what if I were to slip?

        If it got to the point where I actually had to defend myself so I’m not eaten, I would without doubt call that an attack; I would never call that just being threatened.

  12. Sven says:

    Excellent drive from Vettel! He was absolutely flawless: great start, smart racing, quick overtaking — superb under pressure. Lotus were amazingly quick today and it was their race to lose. Kimi and Grosjean drove well, too.
    So-so performance from Alonso. He lucked out into the fourth position thanks to Massa and Webber and was stuck too long behind Lewis, who was on old tyres.

    1. puffing says:

      Lewis’ tyres were not badly damaged then and Lewis did have the 7th longest gear of the pack.

    2. puffing says:

      Mmm, you’re right, I forgot that Lewis went immediately to pit. He had worst tires. But I insist on the point of the 7th longest.

      1. puffing says:

        I meant, Lewis had the longest 7th gear of the whole pack.

    3. Krischar says:

      @ SVEN

      Another DIG at alonso here which is not necessary at all

      James have clearly stated here Ferrari were not able to match RBR and lotus for race pace and performance. Alonso did a excellent job to finish 4th in race where Ferrari had no pace and the strategy was poor as well.

      Massa simply made a mistake and not good enough today.

      As for as Webber Can you please ask RBR why they have sabotaged Webber pit stop. Did RBR feared whether webber will fight with vettel for victory today ?

      1. Sven says:

        Where is a dig? Isn’t it true that he was absolutely anonymous today? Isn’t it true that he couldn’t pass Lewis who fought him off on destroyed tyres for 4-5 laps before pitting? Isn’t it true that he gained 2 spots thanks to Massa and Webber’s misfortunes? Once again, have to say.

        And I’m not going to answer the ridiculous conspiracy theory about RB sabotaging Webber. It doesn’t even deserve commenting.
        By the way, did Red Bull sabotage Vettel in Brazil 2012 on his extremely slow pitstop? Using your logic, they wanted Alonso to win the title.


      2. krischar says:

        What is True ?

        lewis defended robustly and cooked his tyres. Despite the test gate mercedes could not perform when the conditions were hot if anything lewis was anonymous than Fernando in germany

        Massa made a rookie mistake and lost position. How this can be fernando’s Fault ?

        RBR clealry know webber will go for the victory and sabotaged his pitstop with clear intention to avoid another Multi 21

        If anything Fernando drove his race according to the strategy

        Lewis was aggresive and spoiled the mercedes strategy. Masss what i can say ? He is simply not good enough to be at this level. You may not believe conspiracy however if you believe otherwise you need a sense check

        Webber matched vettel for pace in germany. Webber finished 7th despite all the melee created by BRR

        Bottomline : webber could have won if he was allowed to race vettel in germany

      3. Anthony Young says:

        If Ferrari had no pace, how come Alonso made the fastest lap?

      4. Tonye Bozimo says:

        Thanks for pointing out the obvious Anthony. I find it irritating that everyone says Ferrari are off the pace ALL the time. There are times when the car is on the money. The Pirelli tyre recipe has ensured that the balance of speed can shift from car to car from circuit to circuit. This has made Formula 1 what it is today.

        How many races or titles does Vettel have to win to get respect? I’m not his biggest fan but he is a 3 time F1 WDC. That must take some doing if not we would all be that. He has beaten the 23 of best drivers on the planet 3 times straight. People really need to give him his props. Its not just about the car. Webber would have been WDC at least once if it was.

      5. Srinivas says:

        Alonso and Kimi were among the last to pit. Kimi went on used softs while Alonso had to use mandatory second compound(softs). He had a new pair of softs which he saved in qualifying.

      6. Hansb says:

        Ferrari was only able to match the speed of the cars in front when he was on low fuel and soft tyres. Switching to the soft tyre 10 laps from the end and then put in a decent lap is not representative for the performance of the car the whole race.
        Ferrari seem to loose the performance race to RB, Lotus and Merc this year. Their deficit is so big already that I don’t see them coming back anymore.
        The F138 started as a allround performer this season but now it generally lacks pace and especially mechanical grip is poor. Maybe something to do with the Pirelli tyre tweaks ?

      7. krischar says:

        @ Anthony young

        Anyone in the top 12 can put a new set of soft tyres in the last few laps of the race could have done the fastest lap. It does not mean they have the faster race car.

        Get Real. Ferrari were slow and poor when it mattered in the long runs or Race simulation.

      8. Anthony Young says:

        Raikkonen did the last 11 laps on the soft tyre, just as Alonso did. FA did a faster lap than KR, even though KR was chasing for the win. He finished right behind Grosjean, having been consistently slightly faster than both Lotuses until he relaxed at the very end.

        His race was spoiled by the first set of tyres (scrubbed) not lasting as well as anticipated and then the safety car cutting short the second stint, meaning that the third and fourth stints had to be too long for comfort. And yet he still finished only 7 seconds behind the winner. This doesn’t equate to being way off the pace at all. The strategy was probably wrong, but it could have worked in different circumstances.

    4. Bart says:

      I think Alonso would have had Webber and Massa covered to be honest.

  13. goferet says:

    Congrats to the 2013 WDC champion on finally get a home win under his belt. Yes, he came, he saw and conquered.

    For sure, it wasn’t an easy ride off into the sunset for Vettel had to keep faster cars behind him (with KERS problems and all)

    Luckily for the wonder kid, the track proved really difficult to overtake on and so we saw a number of slower cars able to hold position.

    Fair play to Lotus for coming out to play and giving Red Bull a run for their money however, at the end of the day, the team will be disappointed for they lost this race on strategy e.g. If Kimi’s first stint had lasted 12 laps or if they had issued team orders much earlier.

    As for Ferrari, the new parts haven’t clicked with the car as shown by the fact Alonso didn’t have the pace to match Lotus or Red Bull.

    Shame, Europe got blasted by a heat wave this weekend for that really sealed Mercedes’ fate. So yeah, wasn’t nice to see them slide down the grid but at least they salvaged some points.

    Encouraging performance from Mclaren, especially Jenson for he reminded the fans why he’s called the smooth operator with his 2 pit stop race.

    Looking at Force India’s results, it seems the team have been hardest hit by the new tyres.

    Right, now what I loved most about this race was the Lewis-Alonso duel that lasted a couple of laps. Got me up on me feet >>> Good stuff!

    In conclusion, it was another great day for Red Bull but for the rest of us (including Webber), we were left longing for that day when King David will emerge and have a word with Goliath.


    Glad to know the pitlane cameraman wasn’t badly hurt.

    Wishing Paul Allen a speedy recovery.

    1. Ronnie says:

      Love the LH, FA duel as well! It’s so satisfying to see so many drivers giving their all and + some.

      Love the RBR sandwich at the start too, especially after the Webber radio during warm up – if the tire slip, hold the throttle…

      Biggest disappointment was Webber’s tire change. It’s fortunate that the injury was not critical. Best wishes to PA

      Congratulations to Vettel for hard fought win! Nice after the heartbreak a week ago.

  14. Mhilgtx says:

    Prayers for the man injured in the pits
    Congrats to my man Vettel!
    What a race
    Lotus needs SPonser so they can really compete great job

    Did Alonso run out of gas?

  15. Stuart says:

    James, you forgot to mention that after their first stop and due to returning to traffic, Vettel and Hamilton slowed significantly allowing Mark Webber to take the lead in the race following a ‘normal’ RBR pitstop. Unfortunately due to unknown circumstances, which I am sure will be glossed over by the media, there was an unsecured rear wheel on Webber’s car. It does get much more obvious does it?
    Of course the hit on the camera-man overshadowed this incident but maybe it is worth checking out in detail – see the video on GPupdate.com http://www.gpupdate.net/en/videos/3694/loose-wheel-hits-cameraman/

    1. Hansb says:

      I guess RB didn’t wanna try a multi21 again

      1. JCA says:

        There is no way any team would deliberately risk killing someone in the pitlane, just to screw Mark over.

      2. marcusv says:

        i don’t think that the cameraman was ever part of the plan

      3. Hansb says:

        No I dont think so either and it is not what Im suggesting. Holding up Webber is something different than what happened after that.

    2. Sugar Water says:

      For the life of me I cannot recall a guy with such “bad luck” on such a good team. It is a perpetual series of boo boo’s that are inexplicable time and time again; race in race out season to season. I am not a Mark fan but my heart goes out to this guy….. He deserves a much better outcome

      1. Ronnie says:

        What’s the reason for Vettel’s gearbox a week ago? If it happened to Webber, it must had been intentional. As it happened to Vettel, it was time to stand up and cheer.

      2. Aaron Noronha says:

        Exactly, every time Vettel retires or has some car trouble no one says anything. Btw i think its 5 races until now where he has been leading and heading for an easy Victory and his car just gave up. But there are a few idiots who keep assuming that Redbull has no other work than sabotage its own driver every race weekend just to make Vettel win Dint it occur to anyone they could have just dumped Webber all these years and signed an obedient no 2 like Massa. There are two Championships. And for any team the Constructor team brings in more prize money than the Drivers Championship.

      3. Jake says:

        You have a short memory, Hamilton last year was just as unlucky if not more so.

    3. JCA says:

      You really think they would endanger the lives of the entire pitlane on purpose?

    4. Scott says:

      So, Stuart, just to clarify: are you saying that Red Bull deliberately sabotaged Webber’s pit stop to keep Vettel ahead? Is that what you really believe?

      1. gas gaz says:

        damn right, how obvious was it that they deliberately slowed Webbers pit stop otherwise he would have probably been in the lead and you know that RBR will do anything to keep their boy in the lead and webber who will not be part of their team well out of the way. I’m sure they did not intend for anyone to get hurt but I have no doubt they deliberately stalled Webber’s pit stop to make sure vettel would be well clear as they know webber would have not listened to team orders. They did a similar thing last week and made it look like bad start but used webber to hold back all of Vettels WDC rivals.

      2. JCA says:

        Everyone in the pitlane knows what happened to Henry Surtees. You are suggesting people like Marko, who lost an eye racing, and Newey, who was traumatised by the death of Senna (and faced criminal charges), would deliberately risk killing any of a hundred people in the pitlane without any proof.

    5. Jake says:

      I think you will find the media are reporting the fact that Red Bull released their driver before the rear wheel was properly attached.
      These are the facts of the matter, anything else is in your mind.

      1. Stuart says:

        You can try to justify the impossibilty of no ‘team plan’ by hysterical comments about the camera-man being injured. Logically sufficient delay in changing a wheel can easily be manufactured. The unforeseen release and the wheel flying away is just the plan getting out of hand. Who would have expected the release to be given when a wheel was not secured and then the wheel to fly off and hit any object – could happen any time at any race. It does mean it was part of the plan, just they lost control of it.

      2. Stuart says:

        Slight correction to last sentence – It does NOT mean it was . .

  16. Marco says:

    a shame that Red Bull blunder with Weber rear wheel went unpunished, even being dangerous and got somebody hurt. Red Bull seems to have special rights to make mistakes and be rewarded. weber, instead of punished, was granted a swift pass through the lot of drivers behind the Safety Car, made the lap at dangerous speed even on yellow flags, and finished seventh.

    at same time I cannot finish with no mention to the ever seamless pitstops given to SV while MW has many of them hampered with bizarre mistakes, that are always paid by Weber, and not the team.

    1. Marco says:

      Also weird was the long stay of the Safety Card for such a small inconvenience as the removal of a Marusia. It helped SV a lot ,keeping his tyres fresh and making it easier for him to defend his leadership during final laps.

      1. Sven says:

        LOL what? That SC helped only Lotus and Alonso, erasing all the advantage Seb had over Kimi and Alonso.

      2. James Allen says:

        Didn’t help Grosjean, who was well ahead with Vettel

      3. Sven says:

        @James Allen Yes, you’re right, James. I meant that because of the SC Vettel had to cover both Lotus cars and Alonso instead of covering only Grosjean, which was much trickier. If Kimi didn’t pit, he would have likely won the race, thanks to the SC.

      4. Andrew M says:

        The safety car cost Grosjean a better shot at a win and a certain second place. Without it he was 10-ish seconds clear of Raikkonen, was closing down Vettel and was on much fresher tyres too.

    2. SteveS says:

      Red Bull was punished, with a fine.

      But you did not actually want “Red Bull” punished, did you? You wanted Vettel punished, somehow, for something which was not in any way, shape, or form his responsibility.

    3. David C says:

      RBR were fined €30K for what happened.thats hardly what you call unpunished. Do you think MW should have served a drive threw as well.

      1. Jonathan says:

        MW was the victim of his team’s blunder.

        What is wrong is that RB extend their constructors lead after such an error. The penalty really should have included, at least, no points for MW’s car, and probably a constructors only deduction. No points for the race would not have been unfair.

        Drivers are facing licence penalties next year – why not the teams?

      2. David C says:

        Well all previous teams who have not fitted tyres correctly have gotten away with a fine so it’s pretty consistant. Maybe in future they could say from now going forward we will exclude constructor points for any car who looses a wheel I’d defiantly be for that. The poster had said that RBR got no punishment so I was just correcting him because regardless of what you think of the punishment, they have not gone unpunished.

      3. hero_was_senna says:

        This is a billion dollar sport… 30k wouldn’t cover their weekend catering costs. Get real, it’s purely a symbolic gesture

      4. David C says:

        Perhaps they could be shot out of a cannon into the sun? They didn’t attach the tyre properly, this has happened loads of times in the past and the fine is always around that mark. The fact that the tyre hit someone makes no difference to if it had come off at turn 1 and rolled onto the grass. The fine is consistent with all previous incidents of a tyre not being fitted correctly during a pit stop. Maybe they need to bring out new guidelines for harsher punishment in the future.

    4. Jake says:

      Whichever way you look at it he was a front running car and ended up at the back of the pack. Some would say punishment enough for some think that was not Mark’s fault. The team fine does not reflect the potential serious consequences of their mistake. A new system is required. I suggest one of the mechanics at each wheel has to push a button that is linked to the stop/go light only when the wheel has been fitted correctly. Only when all the buttons have been pushed can the team then release the car if the pitlane is clear.

  17. Alysha says:

    In Webber’s case, another instance of the FIA not understanding why in-race penalties matter. I’m sure the thinking in race control was “Webber basically lost a lap, his race is over, we’ll assess a penalty later”, instead of immediately applying a 10-second stop-and-go penalty. This is forgetting that F1 now operates with a safety car, with the ability for lapped cars to return to the lead lap. So the non-call can actually work to the advantage of the guilty team.
    Now, I recognize the obvious weakness in my argument: even with the in-race penalty, Webber would have been the last runner a lap back before the SC period and would have been at the back of the pack on the lead lap at SC conclusion. However, there is still a sense of “justice delayed is justice denied”. And lack of prompt action indicates that safety is the main concern only some of the time.

    1. mhilgtx says:

      Or the thinking could have been why penalize the driver when we can fine the team and penalize the responsible part.

      With that said the fine amount is laughable. For something like that and the second time we have had a tire issue from RBR this year it should have been more like 300,000 euros not 30k.

      1. Nick Barrett says:

        And the cash should go to the person injured.

      2. Basil says:

        A thousand times “this”!

      3. mhilgtx says:

        To some extent I agree. But then again the cameraman was not forced to be there. He entered into a hazardous work place and was injured not sure where the liability is. Especially since I can’t believe he doesn’t have to sign a liability waiver to be there.

        Now as to RBR I think they should handsomely reward the man and if there are long lasting issues take care of him and his family. BUT that is only voluntarily and only to be done in private without anyone knowing. Otherwise it is just PR.

      4. Jonathan says:

        30K or 300K is nothing compared to the constructors prize money.

        RB should not have been allowed to collect any constructors points from this race – make that for either car as MW would not have got any were it not for the safety car.

    2. Random 79 says:

      You make a good argument, but don’t forget that it was the team that was at fault, not Webber.

      When they said ‘to be investigated after the race’ it was my hope (at the time) that it would be the team and not Webber that caught any penalty.

      In my humble view a driver should never be penalised for a mistake made by their team, but unfortunately the reality is different.

      In any case and in any way you look at it Webber lost out today.

      1. David C says:

        What about unsafe release where another driver gets a competitive advantage because of a team error. Take PDR at Germany he gained 2 seconds because of a team error, he also compromised JEV by him having to jam the breaks costing him time. In that instance do you think the driver should be punished. What about if the team short fuels a car in Quali, do you think it is on to punish the driver for a team error?

      2. Random 79 says:

        Generally speaking I hold to my opinion and that is if it’s the team that makes the mistake it’s the team that should be penalised.

        However I do realise that’s a simplistic view and there are many scenarios where the team can make a mistake and their driver can get an advantage from that mistake, but no matter what the rule is or what penalty is applied it’s never going to be perfect and someone is always going to lose out.

      3. David C says:

        Personally I think that Webber is part of the team, he is the driver but RBR is a huge organization who win as a team and loose as a team. The team enters two cars to each race so I don’t think it’s a problem to punish an car as that car and is team is an isolated race entry. I’d have given MW a drive through and PDR.

    3. Jake says:

      The stewards can only punish the offence “the unsafe release” the injuries to the camera man are separate and would be settled as any other accident would, by a compensation agreement or civil action.
      James, do the FIA have a liability disclaimer that covers them from legal action taken out by individuals who are not race officials or team employees but are allowed in the pit area during the race?

  18. Marcelo Leal says:

    People that were afraid of Hamilton winning the WDC in his first year at Mercedes, were trying to create excuses and the testgate from Prelli was the basement for that.
    And now guys? :-) It was clear that a problem that Mercedes had for three years would no be solved in three days testing compounds they not even know about.
    But you know what, Hamilton will bounce back, even with these terrible tyres! Now Nercedes will not be able to test the new compound for Hungary, and even so, my bet is in the first victory of the best driver in the current grid: Lewis Hamilton.
    Now, you dont have excuses anymore! And one last point.. Hamilton leaved McLaren because of money? It was a mistake? ;-)

    1. furstyferret says:

      I think lewis or nico will win more races this year, when they have medium and hard tyres available, at races with the soft , unfortunately for merc fans there just go backwards, well done to vettel, hes going to take some stopping for 4 on the bounce

      1. Paige says:

        The thing is that the car was only really bad today on the first run with mediums. On the second run on mediums and the final run on softs, Hamilton was setting lap times that were very competitive with Raikkonen- who pitted for softs around the same time. (Even later, as I recall.)

        So it seems to me like the problem they are having is with high fuel, not necessary with long runs or with particular tires.

    2. K says:

      Mercedes did benefit from the illegal test, no one can deny this.

      What really cost them now is the fact it is forbidden to switch the tyres around (left to right etc), which gave them a huge advantage in race pace. They started doing this after the test remember, which then other teams copied. So this is what you can expect from Mercedes for the rest of the season.

      1. Tyemz says:

        If Mercedes’ benefit from the Pirelli test is the swapping of tyres, which other teams copied, then all the other teams who copied, notably RBR (who complained loudest about tyres after Spain) shd apologise to Mercedes cos the so-called STT enabled to them get over their tyre wear issues as well and Mercedes shd be allowed to do the YDT cum ODT cos everyone gained something from the so-called STT.
        BTW, I thought tyre swapping started long before the Pirelli test?

      2. K says:

        Mercedes maximized the tyre switching in the setup area, thanks to the test. This is why they gained much more doing that than the other teams. They knew exactly what to do with it.

        It is no coincidence that since that is forbidden, they are back to their pre-test race form.

        Mercedes has the fastest car, there is no doubt about that. Their tyre wear is just very bad which then makes them look slow.

      3. iceman says:

        Yes they have been doing it all season. If you look in the comments of Adam Cooper’s blog post on the issue, there’s a link to a picture from Melbourne of Rosberg’s car with rear tyres switched.

      4. David C says:

        Merc were not punished for benifitting from the illegal test they were punished for taking part in an illegal test. Even if they could prove 100% that they didn’t gain any advantage that would be irreverent as the still conducted the test illegally. You can’t punish RBR for not doing the test and even if they got some benifit that is irrelevant as the punishment was for taking part in the test which they did not.

      5. MikeyB says:

        Unfortunately for that theory, there’s a photo from Monaco on the web clearly showing a Mercedes with a right-side tyre fitted on the left, so they didn’t start doing it after the test. It isn’t a new technique anyway – side to side tyre swapping dates back a couple of decades, so Ross Brawn would have been familiar with it years ago.

      6. Jonathan says:

        There is no way Mercedes learnt about tyre swapping at the Pirelli test. It has been common practice for many years – long before Pirelli made their first F1 tyre.

        I would be very surprised if Pirelli actually did any tyre swapping during the test as doing so is about minimising wear. The last thing you would want to do in a tyre test is to artificially reduce wear and have false results. They needed to collect data on standardised runs.

    3. Tealeaf says:

      [mod] the best driver on the grid is Vettel.
      Mercedes did gain from the test, Hamilton found some extra pace and also Mercedes has won 2 races since the test, they had the quickest car over 1 lap anyway but now on hard tyres like at silverstone they are really quick, and in the long term Mclaren is a better bet than Mercedes, you think Hamilton will win in Hungary? I hope so, it stirs things up.

    4. Veena says:

      Merc clearly gained using the test. They way they have zoomed to second place in construct’s points is the example. We all know where they were before Barcelona.

    5. David C says:

      Whether or not they benifited is beside the point they were punished for breaking the rules and having and having the test. Even if the proved 100% that they gained nothing that doesn’t make the test legal therefore the punishment is still appropriate. They were not punished to level the playing field they were punished to be punished.

  19. Tyemz says:

    How true are the conspiracy theories against Mark Webber? After today’s foul up in the pits, I am 99.99% convinced somebody at RB don’t want MW anywhere near the team’s pet. A combination of that messed-up pit stop ruining what was a potential cracker of a race between Vettel and Webber and the sight of the cameraman on the floor almost made me switch off the TV

    1. Sugar Water says:

      …..if u believe in conspiracy theories this one would rank right up there with the best of them :)

    2. David C says:

      If your going to accuse someone of deliberately not attaching a wheel to a car properly and sending it onto the track which resulted in a F1 pirelli tyre striking a camera man and sending him to hospital I would hope you have some kind of proof. I’m sure the pit crew feel bad enough without you accusing them of doing it on purpose.

      1. Tyemz says:

        Fortunately, I don’t have to prove anything cos I’m not accusing anybody of anything. I’m just wondering why this sudden sloppiness from a team renowned for its slick pit stops and why it’s happening to only one driver. As for the wheel that struck the poor cameraman, it surely came off because someone didn’t do their job well on the day (at least the race stewards agree with me on that)

      2. JCA says:

        Oh, its the non-accusation accusation. “I wonder if they deliberately endangered the lives of everyone in the pitlane to screw Webber over.”

        Helmut Marko lost an eye while racing and Adrian Newey was reportedly traumatised by the death of Senna, but these men would risk killing someone? Seems I have more faith in them than several ‘fans’ today.

      3. David C says:

        “after today’s foul up in the pits, I am 99.99% convinced that someone at RBR doesn’t want MW near the teams pet” if that’s not implying that the pit crew did that deliberately than what is it. Yes I completely agree that the wheel came off because someone didn’t do their job right however it was clearly a mistake. They claim it was a mistake and there is no evidence to the contrary.

      4. Me says:

        It is a shame that it only happens to one driver, like gearbox failures at Silverstone.

    3. Jolgas says:


      Red Bull made certain of Vettels victory today.
      Webber is catching Vettel and is in DRS zone to overtake him. So they pit Vettel. And then they look after Webber’s car when it comes into the pits. Am surprised that Webber kept on racing. How difficult it must be for him with a team like that. As for who’s going to replace him at Red Bull, I wouldn’t touch that with a barge pole as they say.

      1. JCA says:

        This is getting ridiculous, suggesting someone would risk commiting involuntary manslaughter for a sporting advantage without any proof.

      2. JCA says:

        James, anything wrong with my statement? Still awaiting moderation after 14 hours.

      3. Tyemz says:

        you are looking at it from the wrong point of view. Nobody in their right mind would consider endangering others in the pit lane.I think the aim was to delay MW to allow SV get away. The loose wheel, which was an unforeseen outcome, was the only unplanned event in the sequence.

      4. Bart says:

        Webber was roughly 1 second behind, then Vettel having pitted for fresh tyres. Webber wouldn’t have been in DRS anyway.

      5. Tyemz says:

        Actually, the one of the BBC commentators (DC I think) thought otherwise.He was already tipping MW to come out ahead of SV when…

      6. Bart says:

        Well, I still doubt it. The gap was ~16 seconds, with 17 needed to make the stop.

      7. marcusv says:

        I can absolutely say that every incident involving the crippling of MW’s race by the team has been predicted by my 12 year old son minutes before it happens.
        And I can think of no reason to disagree with his appraisals of the teams motives post race.

    4. Ahmed says:

      What about Vettels gearbox problem in Silverstone which cost him a certain win and 25 points???

      I guess that throws out your red bull conspiracy theory???

      one more important statistic.
      Vettel vs Webber in qualifying 2013, 9-0…

      1. Tyemz says:

        Random gearbox failure cannot be compared to pathetic failures affecting one driver only.

      2. Doug says:

        Mechanical error on Seb last week. Can happen to anyone.

        As Webber was pitting, I just knew it was going to be a 5 second stop, to get him away from Seb, and slot him back in around 5th when it played out. The choreography went a little awry with almost tragic consequences.

      3. gas gaz says:

        that was a certain mechanical favor. webbers issues are always when his team are touching or controlling something in race ;)

      4. Jake says:

        The mechanics mixed the gearboxes up when fitting them to the car. Seb got Marks box. :-)

      5. Ahmed says:

        Its a good thing that webber doesn’t get Vettels alternators and other mechanical failures, they seem to almost always cost him a win…

      6. Peter says:

        Vettel’s gearbox was deliberate! They’re under illuminati orders and have got make it look realistic! Shh, don’t tell anyone!

      7. Wade Parmino says:

        None of the factors you mention are relevant.

        The facts of the situation are this: Vettel is most of the time quicker than Webber however sometimes MW is quicker or at least as quick. This was one of those occasions and since RBR know that MW will not listen to team orders, they were terrified of a Vettel-Webber battle in the latter half of the race. Firstly, they don’t want both cars to lose points. Secondly, they don’t want Webber finishing ahead of Vettel, taking points away from his WDC.

        To say that there was any deliberate sabotage is obviously unfounded with no proof. However, there is a circumstantial fact that Webber has suffered much more ‘friendly fire’ than any other driver in current F1.

        A gearbox failure is a mechanical failure. A pitstop error is ‘friendly fire’ as is under-fueling the car or making the ‘wrong’ strategy call, or your own team mate disobeying instructions and fighting you for the lead.

      8. Ahmed says:

        How about under fuelling Vettel’s car in Abu Dhabi 2012 in qualifying, resulting in sending Vettel to the back of the grid??? I guess that fits into your “friendly fire” definition?

        I suppose that was intended to make Vettels Championship go down to the wire all the way to Brazil & win by 3 points???

        It’s simple Webber and the anti Vettel fans, look for any excuse to discredit Vettels accomplishments, including conspiracy theories. Webber has always been a strong qualifier and has beaten his team mates including Rosberg. Webber has been in a Championship winning car for 4 & 1/2 years, and has 9 wins to show against a team mate that will be one of the greats with 30 wins and 3 WDC’s (maybe 4 in 2013).

        Whilst you discount mechanical failures, consider how many Vettel has suffered in the last 4 years:
        -2013 British GP (gearbox)
        -2012 European GP (alternator)
        -2011 Brazilian GP (mechanical)
        -2011 Abu Dhabi GP (tyres)
        -2010 Korean GP (engine)
        -2010 Australian GP (brakes)
        -2010 Bahrain GP (spark plug)
        All of the above have been whilst Vettel was leading the race… Now compare that against Webbers mishaps and tell me whom it has cost more points???

      9. krischar says:

        Perfect post Wade Parmino

        Webber matched vettel for pace in Germany

        RBR clearly knew what was on the way. Webber would have fought and won the German GP easily.

        Hence RBR took a safe step to avoid another MULTI 21. The amount of people here who believe otherwise or term the pitstop as unlucky or error are kidding themsleves.

        Webber ran vettel very close on many races over the past seasons with the exception of 2011. Ever since Turkey 2010 RBR know how to take webber out of the equation for any race wins away from Vettel.

        “A gearbox failure is a mechanical failure. A pitstop error is ‘friendly fire’ as is under-fueling the car or making the ‘wrong’ strategy call, or your own team mate disobeying instructions and fighting you for the lead”.

        Very well said. I could have not put this better

      10. Brad says:

        @Ahmed +1

    5. hero_was_senna says:

      I’m not hearing conspiracy here, but I wonder where Marko is when he states that MW attracts all the problems to him!

  20. quest says:

    How did Webber get back from the end of the pitlane back to the Red Bull pit spot. I thought reversing in the pitlane was disallowed.

    1. CYeo says:

      His pit team pushed him back? He wasn’t that far down the pit lane.

    2. Mike J says:

      His crew pushed him back.

    3. quest says:

      I know he was pushed back. It used to be illegal to do that unless the rules have changed.

      1. I know says:

        It is illegal to put the car into reverse and drive backwards in the pit lane under its own power. It is not illegal for the crew to push the car backwards manually.

  21. cometeF1 says:

    Many good drives today. Congrats to Vettel for a good performance, ditto to the Lotus driver. Fernando will be pleased with fourth but probably not too impress with the car competitiveness. Marc

  22. Anne says:

    Great race and great win by Vettel in his home soil. He kept calm and hold off the two Lotus.
    Maybe Lotus could have had another strategy. Alonso did waht he could. But his car never seemed to find the right pace depite their different strategy. Ferrari is in trouble. I don´t know if they can find an answer to RB.

    Mercedes has problems as well. Yesterday they messed up with Rosberg during qualy. And today they did very little or nothing despite Lewis pole. Very good race by McLaren. Maybe the new tyres helped them to have a decent performance. But they did what they have to do in their current situation. Both cars finished withing the points.

    1. Tornillo Amarillo says:

      I disagree, McLaren is a top team that plays gamble as a midfield team, just today worked for getting only 12 points in total.

      1. iceman says:

        I think McLaren benefitted from it being a smooth circuit, and also possibly from the combination of the medium and soft tyres. They also got a decent finish in China where the same tyres were used (and which is also quite smooth).

    2. justafan says:

      Alonso drove the fastest lap of the race. Three tenths faster than Kimi. His car can’t be slow, then. But he was on the wrong strategy.

      1. krischar says:

        Anyone in the top 12 can put a new set of soft tyres in the last few laps of the race could have done the fastest lap. It does not mean they have the faster race car.

        Earlier in the season Perez and even Esteban have set the fastest lap in the race. Deos that mean Mclaren and Sauber have the faster race car ?

        Get Real. Ferrari were slow and poor when it mattered in the long runs or Race simulation.

    3. Krischar says:

      Good points anne

      yes Ferrari are in deep trouble once again

      2012 started with poor car and made some improvements and in 2013 Ferrari seemed to have gone the opposite direction.

      Feel very gutted and disappointed as Alonso fan.

      34 points is too much at this point considering the development pace or fight between RBR and Ferrari

      Lotus had the pace to take victory today away from RBR. Sadly neither grosjean or Kimi was not able manage it.

  23. micks@sa says:

    What a race! I was on my feet throughout the race screaming for my Lotus team! What a return to form! Next is Hungary a race to suit them once again. They love the heat and downforce tracks!

  24. Nil says:

    After the beautiful winner’s trophy at the British GP we were back to the steaming pile of Santander.

    1. Daniel Lee says:

      My thoughts exactly, what a shame.

    2. Sebee says:

      We covered this last year. Apparently the Silverstone trophy is just for show. Driver doesn’t get to take it home.

      Personally I think that the Santander trophy is F-lame! Come on..it’s F1 and they give paper weights? Thanks for sponsoring the GP Santander, but the trophy is tasteless. Imagine that happened at Wimbledon?

    3. Marc says:

      +1 there only seems to be a few decent trophies left out there please Santander design a better trophy for each race yes I know you have to show your sponsorship logo but have you heard of the phrase being subtle ?

      1. hero_was_senna says:

        I’m always staggered by a Spanish bank with money to throw away. They seem to follow the business ethics of Barcelona and Real Madrid. I thought Spain was bankrupt.

        Maybe that is why the trophy looks the same..

      2. Tim says:

        Excellent post, made me laugh out loud when I read it :-)

  25. DK says:

    It was nice to see flat out racing for the leading pack last ten laps of the race. Despite his tyre, I think Hamilton put up a good fight with Alonso before his second stop.

    Conclusion after the race, Vettel need another DNF real quick …..

  26. Elias says:

    Am I the only one loving the title of this article? :)

  27. AlexD says:

    So here is where we stand.
    Red bull is the strongest car overall, considering various conditions.
    Mercedes can only compete when it is cold and on hards. Lotus can be strong when it is hot and on softs. Ferrari is ok in some conditions, but not very competitive overall, lagging behind merc and red bull when cold and behind red bull and lotus when it is hit.
    So it is simple, red bull takes the title and vettel takes his 4th. Sad, but what can you do?

    1. K says:

      The Lotus was the better car today. They just had 2 drivers holding each other up and a weaker tyre strategy.

      1. stan says:

        Red bull was the best car thats why they won. They have the best designer that makes the rest of the teams look dumb. Lotus, ferrari and merc have the odd good race but overall, just like the last three years, red bull has the car to beat.

      2. K says:

        Pretty much everyone agrees the Lotus was the better carin the race here, but people who dislike RBR/Vettel claim RBR had the better car to downtalk Vettel’s performance?

        Who to believe….

      3. Bart says:

        RBR won today because they had the best driver.

      4. David C says:

        Even Eric boullier admitted as much, great work by team lotus, I’d reckon they will have the fastest car in hungry again. RBR had the second best car in quali and second best car in the race but Seb drove great.

      5. Tim says:

        I think they call that, whistling in the dark ;-)

    2. justafan says:

      It is still a long way to go and RBR are unreliable as witnessed in silverstone. On evidence of 2010 and 2012, you count out Alonso at your peril.

      1. pargo says:

        Agree. RBR may also be unreliable with pit stops, so it seems.

        Alonso is an amazing driver. Somehow he just manages to stay in touch…

  28. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    Well 33 points for Lotus, but 31 points for the leader Red Bull, Vettel was faultless.

    12 points for each Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren. It’s good for Mercedes (still P2).
    I think again Ferrari and Alonso did a great mistake here. After the race Alonso said the strategy didn’t work so much…

    Hamilton (P5) did pretty well with impressive moves again at the end, and beat Rosberg in qualy and race, even if the former was hold up by the later.

    1. Anne says:

      Hamilton did well? He won the pole and he finished in P5. I don´t think that´s good. I don´t blame him, something went wrong.

      1. Tornillo Amarillo says:

        Many poles Anne from Mercedes this year, but race is different challenge and we know that.

    2. justafan says:

      Basically it was another team order for Rosberg to let Hamilton pass. Is that what you wanna see?

      1. Jake says:

        They should have left them fighting over positions 9 and 10. Seems like a smart move. Why are you not in charge of a race team.

      2. Laplce Bessel says:

        Yes, if it’s the team that you support…and no, if it’s the other teams. Lotus did it too by the way.

      3. Aaron Noronha says:

        They were on different race strategies and they should have instructed Rosberg to let Hamilton overtake much earlier. Fighting Hamilton would hurt Rosberg’s tyres too. Being stuck behind Rosberg definitely hurt Hamiltons Race. This wasnt about Team orders to favor a Driver or another like lotus did but more a strategic call to let the team achieve a better result by letting two drivers on different strategies not hold up each other. Btw i am not criticizing Lotus for issuing team orders its quite obvious that Kimi has the only opportunity amongst the lotus driver to catch Vettel just like Alonso in Ferrari. Besides although Romain showed his pace this weekend, he hasnt been really consistent over the entire season.

  29. Mike J says:

    Firstly, well done to Vettel to win his home Grand Prix but his team gave him a ‘free’ pass today.

    For me the race finished when RBR decided to pit Webber early. RBR pitted Vettel to cover Hamilton, but then, they pitted Webber so he would not jump Vettel. That is where I get annoyed because it lessens Vettel achievements and I lost interest in the race after that since they (RBR) ‘took out’ their main opposition which was Webber!

    Webber, for the first time longer than I can remember, actually held Vettel within 0.9-1.1 secs for the opening laps prior the first stop which Vettel normally doesn’t let happen. The lap times show that he would have jumped Vettel which is against RBR ‘protocol’ and they didn’t want another ‘Malaysia’ with both cars coming out together. But wait, this time Webber would have been out in front!

    Webber has time and time again had crap strategy calls from RBR and been told to ‘box’ so no conflict comes between the two. Why is it when Webber stopped, ‘we just expected something to happen (a slow stop)’ …and this is the second time that RBR have failed to fit a wheel properly to Webbers car this year…if this happened to Vettel, the team would have internal dissections and people sacked…for Webber, ‘oh well we will look into it’…Webbers comments after Malaysia hold even more strength now.

    DOtD – Webber for having to put up with this!…..he must have a strong fortitude.

    Lastly, please someone explain to me why the unsafe release of Di Resta was not penalised during the race. This is why people lose faith in officials.

    Get well quickly to Paul Allen..!

    First time I wanted ‘anyone’ to beat RBR!!

    1. I know says:

      They did not pit Webber too early. Webber and Vettel were on similar tyres. They gave Vettel (who was in the lead) the first stop to play it safe, but the timing for Webber’s stop would have been perfect, and indeed he would have had a chance of jumping Vettel.

      Webber was unlucky today (but mitigated by the safety car), whereas Vettel was unlucky in Britain – these things simply happen. Red Bull still need Webber to score in order to win the constructor’s title.

    2. mhilgtx says:

      When the sitituation was reveresed earlier in the year weren’t people screaming about them pitting Vettel when he was trailing Webber. Now it is the other way around. Truly amazing the lack of consistency with some people.

      To say Vettel recieved a free pass on any win is amazing to claim it on a day when he did not have KERS is being pretty …. well I can’t think of what to call it with out sounding crass.

      IF Webber or Alonso had won today without KERS this place would be on fire with people posting about what a gritty (Webber)/ dominate and amazing (Alonso) drive it was. Instead we get truly stupid and uninformed conspiracy theorist comments.

      I see nothing about Lotus telling their driver to move over for Kimi. Which was the right thing to do at the time.

      1. Jake says:

        He had a KERS issue during part of the race only, may have been for a few laps, but they got it working again.

      2. Matt H says:

        Since when did vettel not have kers? Clearly a number of times he was seen defending against raikkonen and grosjean and his kers graphic was depleting.

    3. Ronnie says:

      RBR made the pit mistake on Vettel in Malaysia (too soon) and told Webber to stay out. Webber bennefitted from that and took the lead, which set the stage for the Gate incident.

      Vettel was told that he risked the team 1,2 finish, thus shoul apologize to the team, which he did, for filk’s bonus at the end do the year is linked to WCC results. Without evidence, I am not convinced that RBR would help Webber to start well today so that they can sack him in the pit to give the points to other teams.

      Also, if I remember correctly, the pit record was set on Webber’s car, not Vettels.

      Webber said it himself – technically, the team gave equal support. Emotionally… He stopped right there. It was disheartening that the pit wall started to hug each other as soon as Vettel crossed the line, as if Webber weren’t driving… Quite chilling, but intentionally giving Webber a bad pit stop? No way.

    4. gas gaz says:

      yeah webber looked pretty damn annoyed in the interview afterwards and he obviously knows their is some foul play going on in the team. It’s damn dirty, dangerous and disgusting. I hate red bull.

    5. Aaron Noronha says:

      Before every race they decide when their ideal pit stop window is. I.e when the drivers will come in. Obviously this changes based on how the race is transpiring. If the drivers are on similar tyres they will normally come one behind another but since this will result in loss of time sitting behind another car in the pits. They call in the Driver on the next lap. The driver in front always gets the first opportunity to pit first. If Webber was in front he would have been called in first. The same people who criticize Redbull for calling Webber in would have jumped on the opportunity to criticize them again if Hamilton had leapfrogged Webber after the pit stops. If a driver thinks he can get better pace out of his tyres he can take a decision and not pit. Webber went into the pits because he too knew the consequences of staying out longer. What happened was just an accident, it happened a lot last year at Mcleran and at Mercedes too at least to schumacher. So to assume that this is an conspiracy theory seems absurd. Redbull cant afford to let Mercedes or Lotus beat them in the constructors title because there is where they money is.

      1. Mike J says:

        You are correct on two accounts. i have always agreed that the conspiracy against a driver is absurd. But the amount of ‘friendly fire’ (mech breakdowns excepted)incidents on Webbers side of the garage is very very poor especially coming from the WCC team. Having wheels come of in 2 out of 9 races for one driver is not acceptable. As the saying goes – Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action…hopefully it will not happen again !
        Webber for a change had the pace before the first stop. I just thought RB brought both it too quickly to cover in this instance…hindsight better – most probably

      2. Aaron Noronha says:

        Even if its not acceptable its part of the sport, last year Mclaren were having lot of pit stop issues. And all the issues at Mercedes were always on Micheal side cars. Vettel had 5 or 6 Mechanical failures/issues in 2010(why was his car only failing?) No one seems to mention any conspiracy theory then. All these conspiracy theories hold no water. I have said this a thousand times. If they wanted to get rid of Webber he would have been long gone. And if Webber felt that he is not being treated fairly or given an equal opportunity at Redbull he would have definitely signed for Ferrari last year. True Webber was keeping touch with Vettel until the first pitstop but keeping him out longer would have definitely hurt him more than pitting him later. In fact if Vettel was behind him he too would have been pitted a lap later

  30. All revved-up says:

    Great performance by Lotus. I thought the Kevlar tyres won’t suit them. I was completely wrong.

    Ferrari are not so far behind. Just 10 seconds after 60 flat out laps by Vettel.

    What happened to Torro Rosso and Force India? Completely beaten by McLaren?

    Is this the point where the big budget teams pull away from the rest – due to in season developmemt?

    Weak race by Rosberg?

    Hulk did well to drag the Sauber into Top10. In contrast to Riccardo. What happened there?

    1. Me says:

      “Ferrari are not so far behind. Just 10 seconds after 60 flat out laps by Vettel.”

      Don’t forget the safety car was out.

      1. All revved-up says:

        True. The last 10 laps were so exciting I overlooked the effect of the safety car.

        The Ferrari pace is still in question then – at least in my mind. But looking much better than Mercedes when the weather is warm.

      2. All revved-up says:

        True. I forgot about the safety car. I was wrong about Ferrari then.

    2. mhilgtx says:

      Considering Seb was without KERS Alonso is still much further back than 10 seconds.

      1. James Allen says:

        It was only a very brief KERS issue, a lap or two at most..

        Other teams doubt he had a KERS problem looking at his performance curve

    3. Seán Craddock says:

      It’s kind of funny how Lotus were one of the teams to block the tyre changes and now look where they are!

      1. James Allen says:

        That was more down to the heat than anything else.

        Wait and see where they are on the new spec tyres – they should go well in Hungary but Spa and Monza will be interesting.

      2. stig says:

        Monza will be hot, + DDRS. KR should be on pod in SPA min.

    4. Tim says:

      What happened to Torro Rosso and Force India? Completely beaten by McLaren?…
      If Ron Dennis were dead, which thankfully he is not, he would be turning in his grave at the prospect of McLaren being pleased they could beat midfielders, such as FI and TR ;-)

  31. Srinivas says:

    What an incredible race to watch. Sebastian resisting pressure from both the lotus drivers and home crowd. He didnt let the dissapointment of losing pole overtake him. Kept his cool and won a well deserved victory.

  32. GM Grand says:

    Lots of rumblings from fans on the Lotus strategy. Kimi looked happy on the podium though, and so am I.

    Will this secure his Red Bull drive?

    1. Sugar Water says:

      Some one please help me understand why KR would want to be be a #2 man? Money? Is SV leaving RB? Etc…..

      1. GM Grand says:

        Come on. Kimi in a RB? Sounds awesome. It’s not like Kimi is a guy to stay put in one place for a very long time anyways. He’ll change teams soon or quit again.

    2. Anne says:

      When addressing the media he said his radio was not ok. And he thought he didn´t need his last pit stop.

  33. James m says:

    Hi James, do we know what happened to Felipe at turn one? It seemed a very strange incident and reminded me a lot of piquet in Singapore.

    1. Hansb says:

      Well… then Piquet did a much better job didn’t he ?

    2. Anne says:

      I think he was unpatience. He overtook Ricciardo at the start. Fine, but the idea was to wait for cars on soft tyres to pit. I think he was trying to keep overtaking. And he just spun. He didn´t crash anyone.

      1. hero_was_senna says:

        His car was stuck in 5th

    3. BW says:

      His gearbox got locked after he spun.

    4. mhilgtx says:

      Said car was stuck in 5th gear. The broadcast and other sites all covered this. Well the US did. Probably hard for James to through stuff up as he has post race responsibilities. By the way I highly recommend his BBC shows.

  34. John says:

    “MMuuhhhhahhhahhhhahhhhahhhhahhhhahhhhhaaaa” … That’s what I have to say to all those people who actually want Vettel’s car to break down .. Webber to take him out… Vettel to have bad luck … etc.. Let’s see people beat him on Merit….

    I wonder if anyone noticed the line Vettel was taking during the race. He kept making sure he hit the apex in such a way that it gave him the greatest exit speed without sacrificing tyre life..

  35. Mike J says:

    on a slightly lighter note, i don’t think i can recall seeing a tractor chase an F1 car!..

    1. CYeo says:

      Cue Benny Hill chase music…

  36. Iwaniwan.kemp@gmail.com says:

    Hey James,

    What’s going on at Ferrari? How much longer do you think will Alonso be happy “to make the best of what was available” and fight for scraps?

    I can’t see the, pulling enough out of the back this year and with Merc the early (media) favourites, I cant see them truly fighting for consistent wins and pole positions on honest raw pace.

    If RBR keep up the pace over the next few years it would be nice for Kimi to join them. Then at least we can get a bit of spice in “who’s going to win?”

    1. mhilgtx says:

      Ferrari should take some of that budget and hire Seb and Newie and tell Alonso of his new status as Masas replacement.

      1. Tealeaf says:

        Haha yeah the truth is on pure pace Alonso is just not fast enough, he lets others fall apart then pick up the pieces and thats not enough these days, drivers like Vettel, Raikkonen, Hamilton, Webber, Rosberg and Hulkenberg are just plain faster than him.

  37. Nige says:

    Every time Webber looks to give Vettel a race something goes wrong pit stop or start. Vettel very rarely has these problems, 2 things the team have significant influence over, coincidence?

    1. Ronnie says:

      No, RBR decided that in order to win the WCC, they needed to sabotage its drivers – gave Webber a bad start and Vettel a bad gearbox last week, and sack Webber in the pit this week.

      1. franb says:

        I really don’t get the sabotage Webber conspiracy theorists. First I think by now Vettle has proven that he can best Weber without any help. And second people do realize that all the prize money is determined by the WCC not the WDC. reb Bull and every other team on the grid wants a 1-2 finish.

      2. Ronnie says:

        Exactly. The most outstanding fact was that Vettel outperformed Webber in 2008 in the junior car by a huge margin (35:21) when Webber outperformed his team mate by a huge margin (21:8). I wonder what “the sabotage Webber conspiracy theorists” would manufacture to explain that.

      3. Wade Parmino says:

        Yes, Red Bull absolutely want a 1-2 finish. So long as Webber is in the number 2 place. They never told Vettel to give the place back to Webber at Malaysia, despite their supposed outrage over Vettel’s actions.

        In 2010 RBR could have garanteed the WCC and the WDC for Webber by having Vettel let him through to win at the Japanese GP and the Brazilian GP (which made perfect mathematical sense at the time). However, they took an enormous risk of the WDC being taken by Alonso. It turned out well for RBR and Vettel but it could just as easily been lost to Alonso. Red Bull would never take a risk of that magnitude for Mark Webber.

        I wish David Coulthard had never retired at the end of 2008. DC would have a championship and MW one as well. Vettel would have struggled in mid-field teams for a few more years and hopefully learned some humility and respect to go with his great talent.

  38. Sebee says:

    Re: Alonso.

    What’s up with the stop on track after race? Remind me…can he have a new engine or transmission?

    1. Miha Bevc says:

      Maybe he was low on fuel and he needed fuel sample? I don’t know…

  39. Dave C says:

    My god that cameraman was lucky! I saw it and couldn’t believe what happened, we’ve seen drivers die when struck in the head by a tyre even when they wear helmets this was an ugly incident and was very lucky.

    But congratulations to Seb his resilience paid off today as those Lotus’s were really fast in the hot conditions, if the gearbox didn’t break at Silverstone the championship would already be out of reach but saying all that Vettel is well on his way now good drive also from Button and Kimi.

  40. The Spanish Inquisitor says:

    Vetel wins the race because nobody at Lotus team said “Grosjean, Kimi is faster than you”.

    1. Jack says:

      What? That’s basically exactly what they said to him: “Kimi behind on option tyres, do not hold him up.”

    2. mhilgtx says:

      They actually said “Grjean, Kimi is on a different strategy than you let him bye when he gets to you. DO NOT HOLD HIM UP”. They actually said this 2 times.

    3. justafan says:

      Acctually they were team orders put on Grosjean. It was over the radio.

    4. LEM says:

      Took the team a long while to give that instruction. That’s why they ran out of laps in the end…

      1. mhilgtx says:

        Lem they gave it well before Kimi caught up, then they gave it again once a lap or two expired. Maybe this what you mean but I thought I would clarify.

  41. dimitris says:

    Eric Boulier said that Lotus lost the race because Kimi spent a lot of time behind the Mercedes after the first pit stop. Given that Romain was able to do 13 rounds on the soft compound, why did Lotus pull Kimi so early? To cover Webber? Although the lap charts are not yet available, I have the impression that Kimi was faster than the cars who had pitted and were on the medium compound. Was it another strategic blunder by Lotus, or were Kimi’s tyres degrading fast?

    1. Antti says:

      I agree that, in my opinion, Lotus pitted Kimi way too early the first time. His laptimes dropped by about a second after the stop, so he clearly lost time. In the end, because of the safety car, the lost time (about 10 seconds) didn’t matter, but he also lost position to Grosjean due to his early stop, and thus maybe the crucial 2 seconds that he needed to win the race.

    2. Vantro says:

      On Sky they said that Kimi was using new tires at the first run in Q3. If that is true he actually set his best time in Q3 on used soft tires. That could explain somewhat that he needed to pit earlier than Romain.

      Romain seemed to manage the soft tires in the first stint really well.

    3. LEM says:

      Lotus should have released Kimi from Grosjean RIGHT AWAY after Kimi’s last stop and could have challenged Vettel much earlier, with fresher tires and not lost time running from his teammate’s dirty air for 3-5 laps. Thing is, the guys at the pitwall waited for 3-5 laps more before they instructed to let Kimi pass, when it’s obvious that GRO was not catching Vettel at all.

  42. Rob Newman says:

    Congratulations to Seb! The race was very good apart from the loose tyre incident of Webber. Seb was fantastic in holding the Lotus cars back. He drove very well through traffic as well. I think winning Canada and Germany this year will be a highlight for him when he claims his 4th title well before the end of the season.

    I don’t think the safety car was really necessary. Bianchi’s car rolled itself to a more safer place. The safety car should have switched off it’s lights and gone in. As that didn’t happen, Seb proved what kind of a driver he is especially when he was challenged by arguably the fastest cars today including the car which set the fastest lap of the race.

  43. £30,000 fine for Red Bull’s unsafe release of Webber It would be good if the money found it’s way to the injured camera man.

    1. Sebee says:

      Don’t worry. I’m sure he will be looked after.

  44. Canuck says:

    The safety car was not needed for so long, if at all.
    Vettel has the fastest pits in F1 and Webber has that debacle, doesn’t seem right.
    Kimi lost out today but would he have been able to overtake Vettel.
    Massa is painful to watch!
    I hate these tyres.

    1. Ronnie says:

      The F1 pit record of 2.05s was set on Webber’s car.

      1. Cakes says:

        Ouch.dont you know that the truth hurts?

      2. Tyemz says:

        It doesn’t matter if the pit record was set on his car. As a matter of fact, I felt gutted whenever Mark Webber’s car appeared on the TV screen after that pit incident.

  45. Marcelo Leal says:

    Just waiting for the analysis from James as the race strategies…
    Mercedes was very bad on tyres, but feel like Mercedes have put him on traffic on the last stint.
    Jenson was struggling with tyres, and Hamilton was ~3s behind him, and Mclaren called him in the right time to let him in free air. Lewis rejoined behind DiResta and needed to do a lot of hard overtakes.
    As the Mercedes is just hard on tyres with high fuel, if they had pitted LH in the right spot, I think he could fight with Alonso as he did in Silverstone. Even Alonso with soft tyres, LH was lapping at the same performance on the end of the race.
    Just curious to look at the charting data.

    1. James Allen says:

      Look out for our UBS Race Strategy report on Tuesday, it’s going to be really interesting

      1. DK says:

        I hope theer will be a detail analysis of Lotus’ strategy for both of their cars, it seems to me something was missing and not right that cause them the win.

    2. Tornillo Amarillo says:

      Yes, for a second race in a row only Hamilton seems to be faster in LOW FUEL at the end of the race. That’s give us great overtakes.
      James, why is that?

      1. Paige says:

        Hamilton was faster than Vettel at the start of the race in Silverstone before his tire exploded. If the Merc can stay out front at the beginning, it may be a different story with the tires, as clean air makes a big difference to tire degradation.

      2. Tealeaf says:

        Really? I thought just before the tyre failure Vettel set the fastest lap of the race up til that point and the lead was down to 1.9 sec so no Hamilton wasn’t faster at all.

      3. Paige says:

        And how did Hamilton build the 1.9 second lead (over 2 seconds at one point) in the first pace? By being slower?

        [mod] Just because you go faster on one lap doesn’t mean you’re faster.

  46. Paige says:

    I think it’s pretty clear now that Vettel is headed to his 4th consecutive world championship. The Red Bull seems to have the best balance between single-lap pace and consistent race pace, so unless Lotus and Ferrari are able to find some one-lap pace to start getting ahead of Red Bull in qualifying, we’re going to see more of what we have seen today: Vettel getting out front of the Mercs early the Lotus and Ferrari drivers having to spend the rest of the race clawing through traffic and catching up, ultimately coming up short at the flag. And since Merc still haven’t really solved their tire issues- and will almost surely be on the backfoot in Hungary with the tires- there really is no one left who looks like they can finish ahead of Vettel consistently enough the rest of the season to win the title.

    What it looks like we have now is an interesting battle for second place in the Drivers’ championship. Alonso and Raikkonen are tight, while Hamilton is within striking distance given his and Merc’s qualifying form and provided that he can have more performances like Canada: qualifying on the front row, not losing too much time in the first two tire runs, and getting the car on the podium- maybe with a win thrown in at some point.

  47. Joe S says:

    Alonso must be tired of having to maximise everything and being unable to consistently fight at the front. He was crazy for signing a contract that long. Unfortunately for him, it’s unlikely any other top team would have him due to 2007 and how Massa has been treated at times.

    1. krischar says:

      Alonso has done fantastic job in Ferrari since 2010 to this point

      Yes the timing of the move may not be right. Yet he gave his all to the team

      Any team in the paddock will be +1000 times happier to sign Fernando.

      Fernando is classy, for me (The best driver in the history of F1)

      Massa has been treated a lot better by Ferrari than how RBR treats webber. Ferrari have clearly defined the roles and remained very honest towards massa

      1. Bart says:

        Webber and Massa haven’t been treated badly. 2010 team orders aside, Massa has the chance to beat Alonso but doesn’t because he’s not in Alonso’s league. Massa has also been kept for all these years despite his performances. Webber’s also been given good opportunities and cars to challenge Vettel, and even had team orders in his favour this year. But again, he’s just not even close to his teammate on ability or consistency.

  48. Get Well Soon Murray says:

    Fabulous race. Would Kimi have had enough speed even if Grosjean had immediately moved out of the way at the end? We’ll never know unfortunutely.

    Problem is at the moment no one team / driver pairing is getting a good consitent run at Vettel. The WDC is his to loose now.

  49. Chris says:

    The mechanics get higher earnings when their driver scores points. So why should they manipulate their own driver?

    Bitter people.

    Also it seems Dr. Helmut Marko installed Webber’s failing KERS into Vettel’s car. I hope this mistake doesn’t happen again…

    Nevertheless great drive by Vettel, well deserved.

    1. hugy says:

      Exactly, RBR cares more about the WCC than the WDC, and the way to get the former is to have both cars score a lot of points. It’s in RB’s best interest to make Mark Webber finish as higher as he can. There is no conspiracy.

    2. Tealeaf says:

      Exactly, and how many times has Webber’s car broke down with technical problems whilst leading ? None, Vettel had at least 6 in recent years like dodgy spark plug, brake seizure, engine failure, puncture, altenator broken and gearbox failure. Maybe Marko and Horner done all that as well eh?

  50. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    2013 stats until today Germany GP


    Poles HAM 3 – ROS 3
    Race HAM 6 – ROS 3

    Podiums including wins HAM 3 – ROS 2
    Wins HAM 0 – ROS 2

    Points HAM 99 – ROS 84 = Gap HAM +15

    I think they are pretty matched so far.

    1. Paige says:

      You forgot to put their overall qualifying performance in perspective. In this case, Hamilton leads Rosberg 6-3 on the season.

      The thing that you have to remember is that Hamilton has said repeatedly that he has been struggling to find comfort with the new braking system at Mercedes. Ever since the switch that he made at Montreal, he has outqualified Nico 3-0 and beaten him two out of three races- while in reality having stronger pace in all three races, and losing one race only because he had the tire blowup after leading. Once he gets fully comfortable with the brakes, there should be more pace coming from him.

      But Nico deserves a lot of credit. He has gotten results out of the car, simply put, and has capitalized on his opportunities. But so far this year, Hamilton has the upper hand over the balance of the season.

      1. Tealeaf says:

        You’re forgetting the bigger picture, Nico 2 wins Ham0lton 0 wins, Nico also had 2 car failures during races in Oz and China and a couple of team orders in favour of Hamilton so yeah I agree not much in it really.

      2. Paige says:

        Hamilton had a tire a tire failure at Silverstone that prevented him from taking one of the wins that Nico had- when he was faster than Nico. Someone in the team also screwed up a setting in the rear end of the car in Bahrain when they changed gearboxes, which held his pace back until it was reset during the race. (And interestingly, he beat Rosberg in this race.)

        The bigger picture are the points, plain and simple. F1 championsship rankings aren’t determined by number of wins, they are determined by the number of points. And Lewis is winning this battle.

        Couple of “team orders” in favor of Hamilton? What the hell do you mean “a couple?” There was exactly one in Malaysia. I’m sure Lewis was also instructed to follow Nico at Monaco.

        The bottom line is that Hamilton is beating Rosberg this year in every category except for wins- and one of those two Rosberg wins was a win that really belonged to Hamilton and that he inherited from two drivers in front who were faster than him having car problems.

  51. Random 79 says:

    Not a huge fan of Vettel, but congratulations to him just the same – he drove a perfect race and fully deserved to win his home GP :)

    I’m starting to think that Christian and Adrian better start figuring out a way to fit a ’4′ into his name… ;)

    Well done to the lotus drivers also, particularly impressed with Grosjean.

    Webber – great start, awesome to watch, but surely you would think he had already met his quota for bad luck in his career…and yet the wheels still keep falling off.

    As for the Webber wheel incident reading the previous posts I read two things:

    First: The cameraman is okay, which is great to hear.
    Second: His name is Paul Allen, so I have to ask – any relation James?

    And what is going on with the race stewards? Can they just not be bothered investigating anything during the race any more?

    Special mention to Bianchi – don’t feel too bad mate, you’re not the first driver to ever forget to leave the handbrake on ;)

    1. Random 79 says:

      Nevermind the second to last bit…


      Good call and apologies to the stewards.

    2. Sebee says:

      I was thinking iVettel. Get it? :-)

      1. I know says:

        Not bad, iVettel, I like it. With the right font, Ve4tel would work as well, but iVettel obviously suggests Vettel with a big V…

      2. Sebee says:

        Seriously…iVettel works on so many levels.

        Plus http://www.iVettel.com URL is still free! :-)

      3. Random 79 says:

        I’m thinking iVettel 4.0, but just for now I’m going to hold onto my money in the hopes that iKimi 2.0 is released sometime in November ;)

      4. Sebee says:


        iVettel as in iV or roman IV for 4, buy Apple-ized so no need for 4.0. Too subtle?

        iKimi is delayed in development like Plants vs. Zombies 2. No second version this year. :-)

      5. Random 79 says:

        Yep I completely missed that one – it was the little ‘I’ that got me, but nice one ;)

    3. Jake says:

      Does an F1 car have a parking break and who would waste time applying it in a burning car?

      1. Random 79 says:

        A: Not that I’m aware of
        B: Apparently not Bianchi

  52. Chris J says:

    Good race today. Lotus were unlucky not to win. Grosjean was brilliant today he made those option tyres last a long time and then followed team orders at the later stages. Mclaren performed much better and I really hope this is the start of their come back. Mr Paul Allen was so lucky the tyre that hit him wasn’t last weeks tyre, hope he makes a swift recovery! 600th GP for Williams, and Vettel wins his home race. So all in all a good F1 day! But at the end of the day even though Vettel is showing how good he is, I’m sorry, but I’m an ABV girl! Go Mclaren!!

  53. Seán Craddock says:

    I’m going to be completely honest. I’ve always been very critical of the way F1 has been going, with DRS and tyres that don’t last very long.

    BUT I think I need to tip my hat and say that was one hell of a race. That is what I want to see. DRS wasn’t making passing easy but allowed a car to get to the braking area with the opportunity to make a lunge past. The differing tyre strategies were very interesting to see unfold and allowed drivers to push their car to the limit at various points in the race.

    Don’t get me wrong, I still don’t think DRS and fast wearing tyres are the way to go; but credit where credit’s due. A brilliant race was put on.

    Only downside is the Paul Allen incident, great to hear he’s not seriously injured and I wish him a speedy recovery. Hopefully we see him back on his feet and in the paddock soon!

    1. Random 79 says:

      Good stuff :)

  54. Sasa says:

    Lotus are making too many mistakes in the strategy department and that wont help the cause in keeping him at Lotus next year.

    1. Random 79 says:

      Yeah…but on the other hand RBR are making too many mistakes in the ‘let’s keep the wheels on the car and give the second driver a fair go’ department.

      Ending up second is far better then being a lap behind and then ending up seventh – personally I’d stick with Lotus ;)

  55. A says:

    I guess the rest of the championship is going to be decided on the weather conditions. The formula for the rest of the championship would go like this;
    Track temperature > 40 – Lotus, Ferrari, RedBull
    Temp < 40 – Mercedes, RedBull

    1. Tim says:

      Very good point. Sadly, if you are not a Red Bull fan, their name appears on both the Temp lists :-(

    2. AlexD says:

      this is only half of the story. Regardless of the temperature, the 2012 tyre design will give Red Bull a massive advantage. So…watch Red Bull dominating Hungaroring.

      1. justafan says:

        I think Lotus will dominate in Hungary. They have been faster on last year’s tyres and put both cars on the podium, while RBR didn’t had a chance of a podium.

  56. Justin Case says:

    Congrats to PIRELLI……….
    Finally they have brought the right tyre compound for Red Bull to set up their car “optimally”. When Horner said “if it wasn’t for how we used the tyres, we would have the best car”. Who didn’t jump up and say “Why isn’t anyone doing anything to get the tyre company to suit a team?”
    Well now they have….Hards and Mediums please….just like in the last 6 races last year.

    Like I said after Canada…….I hope Vettel wins every race from now and this championship turns into another joke. Didn’t watch silverstone or this one…..but I’ll still post to remind all the tyre experts they asked for this.

    1. JF says:

      In today’s f1 the best car is the one that works with the tires. Saying “we would have the best if not for the tires” is completely meaningless.

      1. Justin Case says:

        You realise I was quoting Christian Horner………….he said that earlier this year………that’s why I said certain teams felt the tyres needed to adapt to THEIR car.

    2. Random 79 says:


      The only thing worse than an armchair critic is an armchair critic who can’t even be bothered to turn the TV on.

      1. Justin Case says:

        I have a feeling your feeble response just topped the “nothing worse” list…..

      2. Random 79 says:

        Nice reaction time. You should work in F1 ;)

    3. Endres says:

      Perhaps if you start watching the races again, it will spare us the rhetoric and your wife the intimacy issues.

    4. AlexD says:

      I am not so negative as you, but if you analyze carefully, it is becoming extremely evident that by bringing tyres of a specific compound (hards/Med) or design (2012) you will give a very big advantage to Red Bull.

      But…if somehow they managed to force Pirelli to get there, cudos to them. They became a force to recon with, stronger than Ferrari, McLaren and Merc. New world order in F1.

      1. bearforce1 says:

        Really. You guys reckon it wasn’t because of six pirelli tyres exploding at siverstone it was in fact RB manipulating,strong arming pirelli that brought about tyre changes.

        Man you guys reckon RB is the root of all evil. CwaZe…..

    5. rad_g says:

      As you said, you didn’t watch the race. It was very close between Red Bull and Lotus. Lotus lost it again on strategy. They could easily challenge in Silverstone and Nurburgring.

      Have to say, if Vettel wins another championship, he fully deserves it. He’s becoming a complete driver. Doesn’t crack under the pressure anymore.

      I am also glad to see Romain having a great race. Shame he couldn’t challenge Vettel for the win.

    6. Tom says:

      @ Justin Case – I couldn’t agree more mate. This whole situation is a joke!

      1. Justin Case says:

        Thank you Tom…………we are in the minority!

  57. Tim says:

    It bothers me that after so many pit-lane wheel incidents in the last few years, the problem hasn’t been fixed. In an era dominated by electronic controls and safety, why have the FIA not regulated a wheel-fastening system whereby an electronic control cuts off the drivers ability to accelerate when a wheel is not confirmed by an internal electronic system/lock that it is affixed correctly?
    Teams will, of course, complain their mechanical system wouldn’t allow for this or detect such a thing happening, but that’s not a hard problem to solve: redesign it so it does work. Even if it means a uniform system, it will mean safer events.

    1. Jonno says:

      “electron cutout” – guaranteed to lose someone a race first time it’s used.

    2. Random 79 says:

      It’s a good idea and hopefully someone with a little bit of influence will casually mention it to someone in the FIA…James, you’re up :)

    3. Matt H says:

      Totally agree with you there mate. Safety is and always should be #1. To me it seems in there haste to do 2 second stops if anything there has been more unsafe releases with wheels falling off than I ever could remember. From about 1994 to 2007 i can’t remember it being as frequent to the amount over the last 6 years!

      I may be wrong but that’s just my impression. Maybe goferit could bring a stat of lost wheels to compare to the last 6 years. This needs addressed as you say as soon as possible we cannot afford another Henry Surtees type accident all for the sake of a marginally quicker pitstop!

      1. goferet says:

        @ Matt H

        Lol… Unfortunately, haven’t got any stats on tyres lost.

      2. hero_was_senna says:

        Bear in mind that between 94-2009, there was re-fueling. The limiting factor was fuel flow not tyre change.

    4. Paul Davies says:

      The only way to solve this problem is to increase the length of pitstops, to reduce the amount of pressure on mechanics. If they had 5 seconds to do their work, rather than 2.5, there would be far fewer mistakes. Obviously, teams aren’t going to do this by themselves – they need some encouragement. I think that as pit lane errors are a team’s responsibility, not a driver’s, the punishment to the team needs to be changed. Loose wheels should no longer be counted as an “unsafe release” (with the associated pitiful €5000 fine) and instead they should have their own, separate, punishment. I suggest loss of constructors’ championship points for that race for any team who have a wheel come off a car during a race. Pretty soon the teams would increase their pitstops to five seconds or so, or implement ways of reliably getting the wheels correctly on the car in a shorter time. If drivers have a right to safety from blow-outs, and the rules/tyres were changed in a week since Silverstone, people working in the pitlane should have a similar right. Let’s get this changed before the next race.

  58. Steve Selasky says:

    Congratulations to S. Vettel. While I am not a fan of Vettel I admire his victory in spite of a challenge from Kimi.

    Looking to Hungary in 3 weeks time I am predicting another Mercedes victory. Same tactics at Monaco – go as slow as you dare….

  59. ciao says:

    Webber had just beaten Vettel in the middle sector on his in lap on his old tyres while Vettel was on new on his out lap.

  60. Jonno says:

    Unlapping under the safety car needs to be stopped. Red Bull could have killed the photographer and were fined £30k, which they got back when Webber was allowed to unlap himself. How stupid is that?

    By the way, the racing is become as boring as the early 2000′s. I dipped in and out of the event, there were better things to do than watch another runaway win.

  61. kal says:

    hamilton runs out of fuel in catalunya and is DQ, vettel runs out of fuel in yas marina and is DQ, alonso runs out of fuel and NO ACTION!! FIAerrari!! this is unfair!

    1. hero_was_senna says:

      This was in the race. There is a specific ruling for providing a litre of fuel post qualifying. Calm down…

    2. Rockie says:

      You need to read F1 rules it would serve you better next time.

    3. Bart says:

      The rule only applies in qualifying. E.g. Vettel ran out of fuel after the race in Bahrain 2012, and wasn’t penalised.

  62. Nic Maennling says:

    I’ve obviously missed something but with Vettel’s gearbox failure at Silverstone why was he not at the back of the grid with Pic ? Some please explain. Thank you.

    1. Srinivas says:

      Gearbox is suppose to last for five races this season. However if you retire from race, then you can change it without any penalty. But should you choose to change gearbox before completing five races, you are given five place grid penalty based on your qualifying position.

    2. Kirk says:

      Because Vettel’s gearbox problem was during the race, the rule only apply if the team changes it on practices or qualifications before the amount of races the gearbox has to last (I think is five races). A DNF is understood as enough penalty.

  63. Pete Johnson says:

    I think pitstops have evolved to a level of importance way beyond their original intention. How many driver’s races have been ruined by wheel nut issues? I don’t watch F1 to see if a guy can change a wheel in 2.5, 3.2 or even 1.5 seconds – I couldn’t care less. I watch it for the on track action. What about a minimum pit stop time of say 5 seconds so that crews aren’t under the enormous pressure that they are now? It would be safer and to me would help to ensure the important stuff takes place out on the track.

  64. Adrian Newey Jnr says:

    James – It appears the Lotus suits the higher temperature races. Do you think that there are enough hot weather races left for Kimi to realistically challenge for the WDC?

    1. James Allen says:

      I think he’ll have some strong weekends, like Hungary

      But RBR has a better combination of qualifying speed and race speed than Lotus. Merc is too much on quali and Ferrari the opposite

  65. David Howard says:

    So many people that post on these F1 sites are ridiculous. The fact that Vettel is a great driver is without dispute but I find it laughable that so many are overjoyed by the “pure joy” of this race but found previous races to be deplorable. The racing today was the same as it has been all year more or less. The tires may have been improved for safety (maybe..still think Pirelli’s have sucked since they came back personally) but tire wear was still the same. The only difference was that all was “right” with the world and RBR and Vettel was able to win. When Alonso and Ferrari said to hell with it and went balls out at Barcelona it was an offense against the racing gods somehow.
    My real problem the last few years has been that everytime something mysterious has happened it has benefitted RBR and Vettel in particular more than is statistically possible. I’m a scientist by trade and statistically significant inconsistencies smell bad to me. Of course there is no proof of anything but lack proof of guilt does not prove lack of guilt. I feel bad for Vettel honestly. I used to like him quite a bit when he was with BMW and Toro Rosso but the events of the past few years and the “Multi-21″ incident have put an end to that era for me.

    1. Rockie says:

      You nevver liked him the only reason you thought you liked him then was because he wasnt winning.
      Just like Hamilton said in 08 after his win that when he gets a good car he would be unstoppable now he says otherwise because its actually happening.

    2. Brad says:

      Cheers, I’ll be celebrating his 4th championship with glee come end of the year

    3. Justin Case says:

      Well said…….

  66. _Nick_ says:

    I found it a little suspicious that Webber has pit issues just as he’s threatening Vettel in his home race. I also don’t understand why Webber pitted when he did. He was quicker than Vettel at the time. Another lap or two and he may have jumped him.

    Merc and Torro Rosso were awful on their tyres. I was really looking forward to Hamilton v Vettel on the race track.

  67. JohnBt says:

    Good race, especially the last few laps when Kimi closed in on Vettel and Alonso chasing Grojean. Was almost a Silverstone ending….’just one more lap’ and Kimi would’ve passed Vettel like Webber on Nico.

    Track temperature will be determine which teams will thrive.

    Gosh, Felipe made a good start but screwed it up. As much as I like Felipe as a nice fella, its time to make way.

    Alonso seems to be clinging on to whatever he can do with the F138. Hope I’m not wrong, his WDC seems to be fading again. Ferrari development has been very disappointing, how ironical being a sportscar manufacturer and a drink company is showing them how to be fast, very very shameful.

    Gotta give Vettel for his calmness throughout the race.
    First German to win the Nurburgring in F1 history, another record. Bit by bit he the records will be filled by Sebastian Vettel!

    So Merc did not really gain a huge advantage from the secret test. Lewis was unhappy but Merc gotta solved the problem with tires, major weak point. Poor Rosberg though. But to be fair Lewis made many good passes.

    Webber seems to like the pit a lot! Nevertheless he clawed back as usual.

    Well, at least there was close racing and hope the next races will be similar to Germany……that’s if Vettel don’t sail away into the sunset.

    1. hero_was_senna says:

      I think you’ll find Schumi won at Nurburgring several times.
      I get it, you meant the German GP, but Schumi won that too, several times. Oh yes that was Hockenheim.
      So the German GP at the Nurburgring..

  68. David Howard says:

    On a side note I was wondering if someone could answer a couple of technical questions for me. I’m a computer scientist by training and I used to develop tech solutions for a variety of different industries. My questions are about the legality and viability of these ideas for F1. First, replace rear view mirrors with integrated led screen in driver visor attached to pen cameras on car. Screen shows image when head or eyes track to where mirrors would be. Benefits would be decreased weight and improved aero. Second, integrated voice control in drivers helmet to do most functions on steering wheel like brake balance, etc. Keep functions on steering wheel as backup in case of system failure. Would free up drivers hands from having to fiddle with increasing complicated steering wheel improving safety and efficiency. Con: estimated weight increase to car equal to a modern smart phone at max.

  69. Tim B says:

    Interesting race. Very good races from the top three. One of Grosjean’s better performances, and he was very positive on the podium, given he could have been forgiven for looking a bit disgruntled with losing second.

    Vettel looks strong for the championship – the RBR seems to be getting better on race pace, but perhaps more importantly RBR as a team seem to make fewer mistakes. Mercedes and Lotus look iffy on strategy calls, and Ferrari don’t look to have sufficient consistent pace across a race.

  70. Geenimetsuri says:

    They should limit the pit stop length to a minimum of 5 seconds.

    That way there would be absolutely no hurry to release a driver early.

    The incident was also incredibly dangerous and they should have also deducted points, say 50, from the team.

  71. Luke G says:

    Massively unlucky for Maldonado and Bottas, who both actually looked like they would comfortably score points until their final stops. Both undoubtedly outshone the car to run 7th and 8th so late in the race, and so comfortably.. Big shame.

  72. Greg says:

    In an unsafe release situation like we have seen this weekend and it is not the drivers fault why not doc the team championship points (Not the driver)as a penalty rather than a token 30k that these teams wouldnt even blink at. Or include a fine as well as point deduction and in this RBR case give the fine to Mr Paul Allen!

  73. Ryan Eckford says:

    It was a good race, but it should be completely overshadowed by two close calls in terms of safety.

    The first one is the tyre incident involving cameraman Paul Allen. Thankfully, he is reasonably okay, but I feel the Lotus pit crew, who were in the pit lane at the time should have stopped that tyre before it got airborne, before it smacked into Allen. They just decided to step out of the way, obviously not wanting to help Red Bull, but not thinking about the dangers of a rolling tyre going down pit lane and the impact it could have on totally innocent workers, such as TV cameramen. Lotus should feel just as bad as Red Bull for happened. The fine for Red Bull, and the non-punishment/investigation into the role of Lotus in this incident isn’t enough. Improvements must be made to safety of cameramen, and pit-lane reporters.

    The second one is the weird, but dangerous incident involving Jules Bianchi’s car. That car should have never rolled back down the hill, and I think Bianchi forgot to make sure the car wouldn’t roll back before he got out of the car. Is there any explanation to this?

    I don’t rant too often, but these incidents should have never happened, and if you go by what happened at Spa last year as a precedence; Red Bull, Lotus and Jules Bianchi should receive a one race ban. That is my view.

    1. Brad says:

      What, are they Supermen???? That tyre was already going bonkers by the time it came to the Lotus pit crew… absurd assumption

      1. Ryan Eckford says:

        But they still could have stopped the tyre going any further than what it did.

    2. Kirk says:

      And about the Bianchi incident.. the car was on fire, he was just probably thinking in not being burned or worse.

      1. Ryan Eckford says:

        But you still got to keep your composure in even the most difficult situations, and he didn’t do that.

  74. Panagiotis says:

    Too much tyre talking, I mean come on Pirelli has dominated so far the sport this season and people are loosing interest… Having red bull again on podium, and more complaints about tyres by mercedes this time, more interest is lost, unless it would get hotter/coledr and/or ferrari delivers updates,, apart from that can’t wait for next season at least we will be talking about engines, turbos and hope not about sounds and tyres. Ferrari is back on the strategy front that’s news from German gp 2013.

  75. gas gaz says:

    Well done to Vettel. good drive and at least his team mate was cleared out of the way to make sure he got the win ;) well done RDB racing, Horner & marko cough cough!

  76. Goldeneye76 says:

    Sadly it seems that the rest of this season is merely re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic. I suggest that everyone saves alot of time, effort and money and just give the drivers and constructors titles to Vettel and Red Bull and not bother about the other races because it’s getting dull now. I don’t know which race others watched but once he got into the lead there was never any danger that he would lose it. The Lotuses were always too far back to make a lunge, even with DRS.

    Luckily for me my baby daughter arrives in August. So it looks like I’ll be watching Spa and then that’s it ’til 2014. Singapore, Japan, Korea and India are all Red Bull tracks so the titles will be sewn up by Texas.

    Technical excellence is the name of the game but domination is killing off the interest.

    1. Tom says:

      I completely agree, on everything. In fact I think it would be safe to say that most teams have just forgotten this year. maybe Ferrari and Lotus will throw a little effort into the rest of 2013 but I think everyone is over the whole “Red Bull era” and frankly I wouldn’t blame most teams for focusing on next year now that we know who has won the C’ship.

      Good luck with your daughter mate, I’ll be watching the local V8SC C’ship here in AUS (much more exciting that the current F1 joke)and the cricket. Might tune in for Interlagos just to see whats going on :P

      1. dean cassady says:

        Here’s a question: if we continue from the trajectory of the German GP, the rest of the season will go down to the wire between Red Bull and Lotus (of course this is totally hypothetical, since things most certainly will change, only the degree of change being in question), but if it went like that, and Lotus managed to win with Kimi, would Kimi be more likely to stay at Lotus?

  77. Shaun says:

    Don’t mean to be picky James, but Mark was in first place when he pitted. Vettel having pitted the lap before. We’ll never know if he would have come out ahead had the pit stop not be botched.

  78. Jake says:

    James, here in Aus. we get the F1 on channel 10 as you know. Is the feed we have the same as the rest of the world? I know there are different commentaries but is the picture the same. The reason for asking is when you read some of the comments here and elsewhere you get the impression that some people were watching a different race.

    1. James Allen says:

      Yes, the pictures are the same

      Sometimes it seems like people were watching a different race!!

  79. Robert N says:

    With Raikkonen looking to be the closest challenger of Vettel now, would it not be awkward if he signed for RBR before the end of the season?

  80. Robert N says:

    Was someone at fault with the backward rolling Marussia? Did Bianchi put it in neutral even though he shouldn’t have?

    Were Marussia fined for the incident?

  81. Karol296 says:

    Does anyone know how many fans were at the track on Sunday?

  82. Anthony says:

    Why is nobody talking yet other spin by Massa – why has there been no talk about his future surely there has to be a better alternative – unbelievable he has been at ferari for 8 years now

  83. Seifenkistler says:

    I feel sorry for he cameraman. Hearing flown to Koblenz ringed larm bells. Volunteer firefighter and i have seen too many people flown to Koblenz, glad it turned out good.

    But wanting a harder penalty,…

    Was there a penalty at all when Hamilton raced back to box last race and shooting tyre pieces around.
    If you watched, the steel pieces where.like whips, extenting the radius of the tyre and thereforflying with a higher velocity.
    Shouldn’t there a speed limit or red flags for potential deadly damaged cars?

  84. goferet says:

    @ Goldeneye76

    Congrats on the daughter mate. Wishing you a quick and trouble-free birth.

    Good luck

  85. Goldeneye76 says:

    @ Tom and goferet

    Thanks for the good wishes! i wish you both many happy hours of Motorsport viewing and generally just an excellent time in life!

    BTW James thanks for a great website. I’m fairly new to the site and I find it has the best articles and comment sections around. Keep up the great work!

    1. James Allen says:

      Thanks, tell your friends!

  86. Grayzee (Australia) says:

    I know the Webber unsafe release got a lot of media attention. but why is there not a bigger outrage at the Force India unsafe release?
    Verne has stamp on the brakes to avoid hitting Di Resta, and had they collided it couls have a lot worse that a wayward tyre………I would have thought that incident should have warranted a drive through at least..and a paltry $5000……..pathetic!

  87. dean cassady says:

    MAny people here, above, are writing off this season to another Vettel-Red Bull championship; I say, remember what Murray says, “Anything happens in Grand Prix racing, and it usually does.”
    Having already predicted Red Bull’s strong form, now I’ll say that the Vettel-Red Bull championship is NOT in the bag.
    They have managed to divide the competition, nicely, so that their main rivals keep on changing, thus no other team has been able to mount a sustained challenge. Of course they have Mark Webber under full control, so no threat there to their prized blockhead munchkin.
    So are there any dark clouds on the horizon?
    History tells us, repeatedly that there are!
    Because of the overriding development race, teams may have been keeping updates, more easily replicatable, and adaptable to other teams, in the bag. The question is, is there anything, ‘in the bag’ for the rest of the season?
    I believe we have just started to see the Lotus trick, their double DRS, which seems to have an extremely long maturation cycle, thus Lotus have taken it out of the bag to refine, prior to the summer break, with comparative confidence that it will not be replicated this year.
    The Lotus is emerging as the fastest car with this trick and the tires in Germany.
    But even with a faster car, it will be hard to beat Red Bull, who have so many superlatives in their team performance armoury to draw upon.
    In Budapest we’ll likely see some other teams bringing tricks from their bags, but right now the trajectory looks good for Lotus, and of course Red Bull keep on charging.
    It ain’t over until it’s over!

    1. John T says:

      According to Brundle/Croft, the double DRS was put back into the bag.

  88. Paul D says:

    The tyre stops in 2-3 seconds are super impressive.

    I remember when Williams were winning all their races back in the early 90′s (Pre-refueling)they used to take 9-10 seconds to change 4 wheels/tyres!

    Fantastic Progress!

  89. Zombie says:

    Vettel Vettel all the way ! His dominance reminds me of the “Red Barons” Ferrari years. If the Vettel-Newey combination continues for another 10 years, i can totally see Seb rewrite every F1 record out there.

  90. Peruvian says:

    The car that trigger the safetycar, was parked and not moving at all… how come it begun moving on its own.. somebody must have push the car, it looked to me solidly parked… not inching backwards, next thing I know a tractor is chasing a car…. come some body explain what happenned?.

  91. Neil Jenney says:

    I feel robbed of seeing what Webber had for Vettel yesterday if there had been four wheels on his car the whole afternoon. Conspiracy theorists reply here please.

  92. Paul Mc says:

    Starting to believe that Vettel will pass Schumachers seven world titles. The team and driver are just on fire i cant see Ferrari even with Alonso at the wheel getting close.

    Vettel to clinch the title with a few races to spare. Amazing.

    1. Goob says:

      Its not amazing at all…

      Newey is dominating and nothing more…

      Webber is obviously a weak team mate, and is the only one really racing Vettel.

      It’s a two horse race, where one horse been tranqualised by his owner…

  93. Danny Almonte says:

    Lotus are a joke. They can only dream of lucking into a win through tire management. I’m not a fan of their approach to racing. It must be the only option they have since they don’t have qualifying speed. They require too many variables to go their way to benefit from their strategy.

  94. Goob says:

    Vettel reminds of Button… he is sitting in a car that is so dominate, and has a weak team mate…

    These types of WDC hold no value to me.


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