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Lewis Hamilton drove an imperious race to take his first victory with Mercedes GP at the Hungarian Grand Prix, ahead of Kimi Raikkonen and Sebastian Vettel.

It is his 22nd career win – matching Damon Hill – and a record equalling fourth at the Hungaroring.

It was an entertaining race from start to finish, with an action packed opening lap and a tense duel at the end for second place between Vettel and Raikkonen. Vettel, on much fresher tyres, made a move on Raikkonen in the closing stage but the Finn rebuffed him, firmly and fairly.

Vettel complained on the radio at the time, but afterwards accepted that there was nothing to complain about,

“I told him – but he only laughed!” said Vettel. “In the heat of the moment it was quite tight going into there. I nearly lost the car but that is racing.”

Raikkonen looked disappointed with the result, but this was more due to a difficult qualifying session, which meant he started in sixth place. Had he qualified where Grosjean did in third, he felt a challenge for the win was possible.

“I knew that my tyres were OK and good through the last sector so was pretty sure there was no chance to overtake me into first corner,” said Raikkonen, of the Vettel incident.

“But Turn 2 was a bit more tricky for me all race. He got a run once before and the second time I defended and then moved right. It was a bit tight but I kept him behind.”

Hamilton’s first victory for Mercedes could not have come in a more faultless manner. And the fact that Mercedes has now managed to win a race in intense heat, as well as on a high loading circuit like Silverstone indicates that they can master their tyre management and thus can be competitive anywhere. Red Bull team boss Christian Horner said after the race that his team was taking the challenge from Mercedes very seriously indeed.

There were many strategies at work, but all required the drivers to deal with traffic and it was here that Hamilton excelled; getting himself quickly into clear air to make the most of the new tyres and to keep the temperatures under control.

As his rivals, especially Vettel, found themselves dropped into traffic following their pit-stops and struggled to pass, Hamilton was able to make quick work of the slower cars and allow himself a comfortable advantage throughout the Grand Prix.

Starting from pole, the first glimpse of race victory came following the first set of stops, when Hamilton pitted two laps earlier than Vettel and was able to dispose of a longer running Jenson Button. Vettel could not find a way through with such ease and lost even more time after hitting the back of the McLaren on lap seventeen.

The Red Bull was eventually able to make its way past Button on lap twenty-four as the Briton’s degrading tyres could not keep the train that had now formed behind, including Romain Grosjean and Fernando Alonso.

After pressuring Vettel for second place in the opening phase of the race, Grosjean came under investigation for gaining advantage from leaving the track in two incidents and was handed a drive-through penalty after being deemed to pass Felipe Massa outside of the track limits. This seemed pretty harsh as his move on Massa was the kind of bold move around the outside in a high speed curve which used to be celebrated in the days of Mansell and Senna.

His first incident came prior to that; colliding with Button at the turn six chicane. This incident is to be investigated after the race but could see the Frenchman with a grid penalty heading to Spa, a circuit which is infamous for him last year.

Grosjean came home in sixth place where a fourth place finish or better had been on the cards.

At the front, Hamilton’s ruthless overtaking maneuvers were critical to his victory today. A DRS-pass on Button in to turn one was bettered by an outside pass on Webber around turn three.

When in clear air, he managed his car temperatures and his tyres to maintain an eleven second lead and lift his and Mercedes’ Championship hopes in a much stronger position. He is now within fourteen points of Raikkonen in second place, and sees his team extend their second place lead over Ferrari to twelve points in the Constructors’ Championship.

Red Bull remain clear at the top of the standings with a seventy-one point lead.

That points lead was helped greatly by a strong drive from Mark Webber. Starting in tenth place, the Australian found himself in seventh in the opening laps and brought himself in to contention as he started on the medium tyre.

As the first set of stops were made, Webber took the race lead and was able to have a clear run for the majority of the GP. The level of traffic for Grosjean and Alonso allowed him to make a late stop for the soft tyre and bring the car home in fourth place.

Alonso and Grosjean completed the top six, and will have differing opinions on today’s race. Alonso made the best of the equipment he has at hand to maintain his third place in the Drivers’ Championship, but he didn’t have the pace once again and the Ferrari is now clearly the fourth fastest car.

His team’s inability to match the Red Bull, Lotus and Mercedes race pace will put them under pressure heading in to the second half of the season.

Button, in seventh, and Sergio Perez in ninth were split by the second Ferrari of Felipe Massa. McLaren had improved race pace, but are still some way off where they expect to be. Their points haul today sees them close to within two points of Force India, who had a forgettable race.

Both Adrian Sutil and Paul Di Resta ended the race in the pits after technical failures.

Nico Rosberg also had a difficult day and saw his race come to an end in the closing laps with an engine blow. This handed Pastor Maldonado tenth place and Williams their first point of 2013.

HUNGARIAN GRAND PRIX, Budapest, Race, 70 Laps

1. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 70 laps 1hr 32m 09.143s
2. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus +00m 10.9s
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull +00m 12.4s
4. Mark Webber Red Bull +00m 18.0s
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari +00m 31.4s
6. Romain Grosjean Lotus +00m 32.2s
7. Jenson Button McLaren +00m 53.8s
8. Felipe Massa Ferrari +00m 56.4s
9. Sergio Perez McLaren +1 lap
10. Pastor Maldonado Williams +1 lap

11. Nico Hulkenberg Sauber +1 lap
12. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso +1 lap
13. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso +1 lap
14. Giedo van der Garde Caterham +2 laps
15. Charles Pic Caterham +2 laps
16. Jules Bianchi Marussia +3 laps
17. Max Chilton Marussia +3 laps

Rtd Paul di Resta Force India
Rtd Nico Rosberg Mercedes
Rtd Valtteri Bottas Williams
Rtd Esteban Gutierrez Sauber
Rtd Adrian Sutil Force India

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  1. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    Great Win from Hamilton, after a dreamed pole – you people BELIEVE!!!!!

    The key Vettel having to defend P2 from Grosjean while Hamilton built a gap was as I anticipate. Without clean air Vettel just got P3 at the end.

    Thanks also to Lotus this Championship goes with a little smile into the summer. Kimi is a Master!

    1. KRB says:

      Very happy for Lewis today … I was beginning to think it’d be a winless season for him. So he’s kept that streak alive (a pole and win in each season).

      The penalty for Grosjean seemed harsh, though I didn’t see replays of it. It seemed at the time that he had no choice but to leave the track, b/c he was being wedged off by Massa (though alongside, and going faster).

      I must say, as a Canadian, that the coverage from TSN was truly pathetic! They seem to go to commercial more often now, and play double the ads as in previous years!! And always at crucial times in the race! Really poor. I hope they give the coverage rights to someone who can do F1 the way it should be done.

      1. unF1nnished business says:

        Agreed. TSN has terrible coverage with terrible timing.

      2. DC Corey says:

        I used to live in Canada and thought the old pre-race show with Vic Reuter and Gerry Donaldson was pretty decent. Heard TSN dropped that. Too bad.

      3. Allan B says:

        Try the French Channel RDS, most of the time they go to commercials at a different time.

        Can only hope that Speed get the coverage for next year, although I think it will be re-branded to Fox Sports in Canada next month.

      4. David Young says:

        I have to disagree. I much prefer the BBC feed that TSN uses to Speed. In fact I prefer RDS to Speed. Btw. RDS has a pretty interesting per-race show if you understand French.
        As for commercials, they’re no more or less than before as the CRTC regulates how many commercials can be shown per hour.

      5. Endres says:

        Agreed, RDS has a superior package.

        More technical analysis of the tracks etc. They actually do comparisons of driving styles, lines etc. I’ve yet to see proper driving line overlaps of drivers with the BBC coverage. However, TSN never delivers the pre-race show, maybe TSN is to blame?

        I find DC’s pairing with, (is it Ben Edwards?) quite boring, although DC analysis is usually spot on.

        I’d do pay-per-view if they could secure Mansell for an episode or two!

      6. Ronnie says:

        The US broadcast has lots of commercial too. But found a cure in a spanish channel which broadcasted the whole thing uninterupted. Motivation to learn Spanish, for I had little idea what they were talking about, and they talked over team radios.

      7. Rob Hooper says:

        I’m sure you could watch Spanish tv, but find BBC Radio 5 live for commentary?

    2. Wayne says:

      This was like watching the old, exciting, rampant HAM I remember. He showed the entire field the way in overtaking cars to maximise his tyres today – you got the sense that nothing other than a car failure was going to stop him taking this win. He was, by turns, frenetic, patient, aggressive, fair and professional and it was a joy to watch.

      1. Malcolm says:

        WELL SAID

      2. Aden Asquith says:

        Lewis said it would take ‘a miracle’ to win. When he dies, will the Catholic Church will put him forward for canonisation? ;-)

      3. Tornillo Amarillo says:

        Maybe Button’s McLaren was…

      4. Mike J says:

        Even though HAM lost me for a few seasons, i must say, when he is ‘on it’ and driving like that, it is brilliant for everyone! and F1. (i’m not a HAM supporter). His first pass on WEB was fantastic.
        Pity but i think the 48? points is a bit much to make up.

      5. Multi 21 says:

        There are still 10 races remaining. That’s only an average of 5 points per race.

        They still have to go to Monza which is Red Bull’s weakest track. Hamilton could take 20 points off Vettel there alone.

        Other helpful factor for Hamilton: Rosberg is more likely to qualify ahead of Vettel than Webber is to Hamilton.

        It’s game on for a furious end to the season.

      6. Scott says:

        He’s not out of it by any means 48 points behind. On the contrary, Mercedes is now clearly the fastest car (4 poles in a row) and their tyre degradation seems to be no worse than anyone else’s (possibly except Lotus, but no worse than Red Bull). The psychological shift will be interesting as they are now clear champiosnhip contenders and can no longer play the underdog card. Hamilton’s “surprise” at pole and pre-race predicitions of needing a “miracle” to win were clearly psychological games as he knows he has a great chance to win a world championship here. Sadly Alonso’s chances have all but gone, but with Vettel, Raikkonen and Hamilton all well in it it should be a good second half to the season.

      7. John Palmer says:


    3. Grant H says:

      Perfect drive from Lewis

      Grosjean same as always rapid pace but no good when there are other cars on the track

      Well done jenson solid drive from the package he had, enjoyed seeing seb stuck behind for a long no of laps

      Where was PDR?

    4. Jonesy says:

      Raikkonen is still the fastest driver in f1- he is back to his Mclaren form undoubtedly. Underestimate him at your peril. Mercedes have the fastest car over 1 lap so it is no surprise that they qualify on pole almost all the time. But Lotus and Red Bull have the race pace advantage and if Lotus fix their qualifying issues, they will be the team to take the fight to Red Bull.

      1. Tim says:

        I agree that RBR have the race pace advantage, but not so with regards to Lotus. They have won only once this season, whereas Mercedes have now won three times. In reality Lotus lack race pace which is why they try to run longer, slower, stints and make up time with less pit stops.

  2. Truth or Lies says:

    Was that an American accent on the podium from Hamilton?.

    1. Thomas, Houston Texas says:

      I don’t know what accent that was, it was neither American nor English…

      He’s a great driver, but he is getting harder & harder to like outside the car.

      1. Myxomatosis says:

        Because of his accent? *sigh*

      2. Grant says:

        Get a life buddy…. :)

      3. Tim says:

        What exactly do you not like about him?

      4. Michael says:

        Some bands I like don’t necessarily mean I have to like the people who write the songs. In fairness, I believe Lewis is still finding himself, remember his childhood was probably very sheltered from the influences others are subjected to. I wish for him to be liked and respected for his obvious talent.

      5. Jimbob says:

        It seems a bit harsh basing your personal opinion of someone on their accent! Even if it is a bit odd.

      6. Colombia Concalvez says:

        ”He’s a great driver, but he is getting harder & harder to like outside the car.” – based upon what exactly ?

      7. Methusalem says:

        Either the champagne was American, or Lewis was just thinking about Nicole. LOL!

        At Nürbergring, the German presenter of RTL TV, Kai Ebel who did podium interviews was also presenting SV with an American acent, like “Vetttttel”,and later he asked Vettel to say something in German, but Vettel prefered to speak in English, “for everybody to be understood”. I asked myself, what was wrong with Kai Ebel? But the funniest part was, when he talked to Bernie Ecclestone, “Now, Bernie, you’re in Germany”…Bernie’s fearful reaction was funny and sad at the same time.

      8. Torchwood Five says:

        Ah-ha. I was beginning to think only the British commentators were doing podium interviews, and wondered why none of the other countries’ media were getting a chance.

        :) Thank you for clearing that up!

      9. AndyFov says:

        I think the opposite actually. I’m warming to him again. I don’t know whether he’s taken guidance from PR experts or whether he’s just grown up, but I think there’s far less to not like about him now.

        I was pleased to see him win. Finally he’s won a winner’s trophy he’ll get to keep too. All his others are in Woking!

      10. jooon says:

        What I really don’t like about this guy is the empty speaks. He is just ass liking, had to put on mute when half way through the team radio speak at the end.

        People on this forum blames Kimi for his style outside the car, at least when he speaks he means it.

    2. Glennb says:

      I picked that up too. I said to my wife that Ive heard Lewis speak 1000′s of times but didn’t recognise his accent tonight.

    3. Tim says:

      He spends a lot of time in the States, as a consequence his accent has a bit of twang. So what?
      Is there another driver in F1 who’s every move is dissected in this way and gets folk all frothy mouthed – no.
      Enjoy his driving, he was in a class of his own today.

      1. Dave Aston says:

        No other driver’s every move is dissected in this way; exactly, because he’s black. John Watson, Stirling Moss, Jackie Stewart and heaps of other ex drivers and journos sneer about his tattoos, ‘bling’, facial hair, dog, ‘lifestyle’, girlfriend; [mod] F1 driver who was friends with George Harrison – acceptable. Friends with P Diddy – they turn their nose up. It’s pathetic, but it only seems to offend white people over 50. I hope he keeps offending them, and keeps driving superbly, until they’re bitter and invalid.

      2. Don says:


      3. Mike J says:

        I’m ‘white and over 50′ and he doesnt offend me. In fact i like him when he is racing like that. He has his problems like every other human. Your generalisation is just as bad as the ones you quote.

      4. John Bt says:

        Who cares bout his tattoo and what not he does out of the circuit. I’m not a Lewis fan but once in his race suit he’s a pleasure to watch when he blitz the track.

      5. furstyferret says:


      6. John Ferdinand says:

        Typical victim mentality! Harrison promoted peace & unity – Pdidy is a gangster who promotes class anger and violence – the only way to be cool with the “brothers” is to be a douche bag gangster – if Hamilton followed his fathers example he would get along just fine but he chooses to follow a different group of people – and like Alonso he is one of the most insecure people on the grid – I agree he is lost at a not so young age because he covers it up by trying to be “cool” – its to bad he waste his undeniable talent with an unstable mentality [mod]

      7. moxlox says:

        Perceptive comment I think. The Harrison reference is an interesting observation on society.

    4. zombie says:

      He spends a lot of time in Hawaii and Florida, not to mention his GF is an American, so may well be the influence of his surroundings.

      Excellent drive by Hamilton. I think it was the first time i found myself cheering for him. Great job by Kimi and Webber to finish where they did.

      Alan Mcnish not for the first time was involved in a controversial decision. I really dont see how they can justify the penalty for Grosjean. One may just say it was one of those things..but remember that Grosjean is fighting for his career, and the stewards need to be ashamed of the call they took.

      Ferrari on the other hand look like they are set to repeat the performance of 2011. Montezemolo must be left wondering what to make of Domenicalli.

    5. Colombia Concalvez says:

      Nonsense!, simply a British accent

      1. Grant H says:

        Who cares how he speaks, how he drives matters and I truly believe he has the quickest single lap pace on the grid

      2. Endres says:

        Fake accent!

        For his girl, I think any of us would speak in mandarin!

  3. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    HAM 10 points from RAI, not 14..

    but still far away from Vettel.

    1. Sebee says:

      Hamilton doesn’t know it yet, but his entry into the “Four” makes things easier for Vettel this year. Odds of Lotus and Ferrari wins just dropped big time.

      1. Miha Bevc says:

        But after Spa HAM could be 2nd in the standings…

      2. Wayne says:

        See how ragged VET drives when he’s not a second clear at the front? I thought it was very telling when he said he preferred to have RAI as his team mate next year over ALO, he answered that question a little too quickly :)

      3. James Allen says:

        VET had a lot to deal with today: instruction to loft and coast to avoid overheating, a damaged front wing (>2//10ths a lap), twice coming out behind Button

        It was damage limitation and 15 points is a pretty good outcome

      4. Drew says:

        VET just had to deal with the same stuff WEB does in most races…there’s an awful lot to be said for that clear air. Roles were reversed when WEB was out front and still driving away from them on older tires (until they went off).

      5. Ricardo says:

        When have you known VET, not awnsering a question straightforwardly?

      6. JCA says:

        He said somethimg like ‘I have to be careful here… Kimi has always been straight with me inside and outside the car.’ Basically saying he doesn’t trust Fernando.

      7. Wayne says:

        JCA, he does not TRUST Fernando!! Holy heck that’s rich comming from VET isn’t it? What, does he think he might get some of the same treatment he dished out to WEB earlier in the year? lol.

      8. Wayne says:

        Ricardo, you ask when I have ever heard VET not answer a question straightforwardly? Really? The answer to that is every time it suits him (like all drivers), for example when he ignored team orders earlier in the year he prevaricated and answered all questions in a very obtuse manner until he deicided the game was up and came out and apologied a bit later.

      9. Sut says:

        Exactly – throwing toys out of the pram again, bumped into Jenson and nearly lost his wing. Moaning about Raikonnen.

        Amazing qualifier and race winner from the front, but like Schumacher gets rattled too easily and can’t take losing.

        Nothing against the guy, but this behaviour I think is why he’s tainted. His results are there but people seem to like Webber more.

      10. justafan says:

        Not necessarily. What if Ham steals the titel?

      11. Tim says:

        @ Sebee
        Hamilton doesn’t know it yet, but his entry into the “Four” makes things easier for Vettel this year…
        I would say that depends very much on whether Hamilton’s form continues. If, and it’s a very big if, Mercedes have sorted their tyre problems then Vettel has got his hands full.
        Now tell me that isn’t an intriguing thought to take into the summer break :-)

  4. dren says:

    Well he finally pulled one out and in spectacular fashion. DotD for sure.

    1. **Paul** says:

      Button DOTD

      1. Wayne says:

        sigh, for what? ‘good tyre management’ and being on the Hungaroring where its near impossible to overtake? HAM overtook where all else failed and did it three times…. Button DOTD? Come on.

      2. bob says:


        “HAM overtook where all else failed”

        Really Wayne, Hamilton was the only driver to overtake Button?

        I suppose that has EVERYTHING to do with Hamilton being amazing and nothing to do with the Mercedes top speed advantage compared to other cars, not least the Bull.

      3. AuraF1 says:

        I think Lewis would vote button DOTD for holding Vettel off for 14 laps! Made his day easier!

      4. Doug says:

        I have to agree, it was a faultless drive by Lewis…but if it hadn’t been for his old wingman Button holding up Seb, I think the result would have been different!
        Great drive from Jenson…just like Webber, making up 6 places!

      5. Poyta says:

        Woulda Coulda Shoulda – Seem to recall that both Hamilton and Vettel were stuck behind Button after their first round of pitstop – One was about to overtake while one couldn’t.

      6. Theoddkiwi says:

        Do you think Vettel would have easily passed Hamilton? His only real chance was at the start of the race which is normally how he wins by getting the lead early and storming away, but he couldn’t keep up. Even when he was in clear air Vettel’s pace was not that much quicker and you could see that Hamilton had pace to spare and only used it when he needed.
        Vettel has himself for not being good enought o get past Button and Adrian Neweys slow top speed to blame.

      7. Chris M says:

        Really? At no stage did anyone look faster on the track, outside the odd lap here or there, and that was whilst Hamilton was just coasting to manage the car.

        Vettel had one real shot and that was during the opening few laps and then around the first pit stop. He didn’t manage to find a way past then, and once onto the medium tyre it was Hamilton who had the faster car.

      8. bob says:

        I think everyone is forgetting one thing.

        Hamilton passed Button on the straight due to the Merc’s superior top speed – nothing else.

        Vettel did not have this advantage in the Bull.

        Let’s all drop the hype about Hamilton passing Button. He did it with a top speed advantage and DRS – hardly amazing.

        Although he did have some excellent overtakes during the GP, those on Button were not.

    2. I will says:

      Yeah, Hamilton, Webber & Button are the stand out performers. I may give it DoTD to Hamilton but didn’t disagree much if someone said Webber or Button.

  5. C Lin says:

    Great race by Hamilton & Raikkonen!

  6. Seán Craddock says:

    Great race and fair play to Hamilton, absolutely dominated, be interesting to see what happens after the break. This is my least favourite time of the year, massive break until Spa :(

    Also, did anybody else notice the massive rake angle the Red Bulls were running? Even with a full tank of fuel it was substantially larger than the others

    1. Quade says:

      I noticed the Red Bull rake indeed. It was really exaggerated, making the car look like it was crouching to do a jump. You’ve got to give it to Red Bull for aero, they’ve got that aspect cornered.

    2. Chris M says:

      That’s all about low speed downforce, where as Merc went for more aero efficiency giving them good straight line speed. Nearly gave Red Bull the pole but all else being equal gave Merc the car for the race.

      But today was all about Hamilton. He made the opportunities for himself but equally could match any of the others on race pace and was able to just manage the gap and look after the car. When he pushed he set purple sectors throughout the race.

  7. Quade says:

    That was a wonderful drive from Lewis, all his moves were clinically executed to the last dot. I’d say he has now attained the completeness of Alonso and Kimi.

    Rosberg was way too aggressive all through and ended up overheating his engine.

    I wonder what Lewis win means for the championship. Is it game on?

    1. Miha Bevc says:

      It will be tough to catch Vettel if Kimi and Fernando can also challenge for the wins, but i think Mercedes can really be the best team of 2nd part of the season now. So in a way, it is game on.

      If they will have the best engine next year (as everybody is saying), they will be unstoppable in 2014.

    2. justafan says:

      Certainly, 48 points with 9 races to go that’s doable. No question.

      1. Chris M says:

        He just needs to beat Vettel in each race. There’ll be dropped points for both drivers over the rest of the season, but if he simply beats Vettel in each race then he’ll have a real shot at the title.

        That’s a VERY big ask, but it only takes one DNF from Vettel for that dynamic to change completely. We’ve seen it before that when you put pressure on Vettel he loses his edge and makes the odd mistake, as with any human. Merc look like they could be quick everywhere, Silverstone showed that their aero for high speed is sorted whilst their trick suspension lets them excel in the slow speed corners. And whilst Red Bull should be okay at Spa they traditionally struggle a little in Monza.

        The big IF is whether or not Mercedes really are on top of the tyres now or if they’ve “lucked” into a setup in Hungary. If they’re now destined to be able to push as hard as the others on race day then they really do have at least a chance of taking the fight to Red Bull.

    3. Tim says:

      My heart says yes, sadly my head says no. :-(

      1. Wayne says:

        Agreed, Tim. :(

    4. Colombia Concalvez says:

      ”I’d say he has now attained the completeness of Alonso and Kimi.” – Nonsense!, Hamilton is way better than both Alonso and Kimi!, what has Alonso done for Ferrari all these years ?, tell me what has Alonso done for Ferrari and then look where Hamilton has taken Mercedes-Benz. Mercedes-Benz are now 2nd in WCC. People like you and the media really need to stop thinking that Alonso is all that, sorry he ain’t

      1. Quade says:

        @Colombia Concalvez
        Maybe Lewis is faster than Kimi and Alonso. But you’ve got to agree that speed is not all a driver should have in their toolbox. There is also experience and how to employ it.

        Experience can only come with age and number of races; areas in which Lewis trails Alonso and Kimi.
        Experience exposes itself as willy race craft and that is what we are beginning to see from Lewis, not just banzai moves and electric speed.

        Lewis is much younger than Alonso and has also done much fewer races. No matter how you look at it, Alonso is great and has earned the high pedestal that comes with being an F1 sage, Lewis is on his way to that same height.

      2. I will says:


      3. AlexD says:

        Do I understand you correctly? In case of Red Bull, it is Newey who designs the car…at least this is what all people say. In case of Ferrari and Merc it is Alonso and Hamilton respectively?

      4. vd says:

        What? With all due respect Hamilton didn’t do much for Mercedes, their recent form is probably the result of the past years of massive investment that is finally paying off (probably Rosberg can second that).

        Hamilton was superb today, but to say that he is the author of Merc’s improved form this year it’s simply far-fetched.

        For the record, Alonso put himself and his team in places where they shouldn’t have been by nearly winning in 2010 & 2012. Give to ceasar what is caesar’s.

      5. SteveS says:

        “Hamilton is way better than both Alonso and Kimi!”

        I respect Hamilton as a driver, but his fans seem prone to outbursts of way-over-the-top hyperbole. Any time he sets pole or wins a race, there is an avalanche of comments about how this proves LH is the greatest driver alive, perhaps the greatest driver of all time.

        Just this season, Vettel, Alonso and Raikkonon have done better than Hamilton. Both Vettel and Alonso have won more GP’s than LH has, and SV has managed it in fewer races. No, he is not “way better” than the other elite drivers.

      6. KRB says:

        My advice: ignore the over-the-toppers.

        Letting supporters of a driver impact your perception of that driver (either positive or negative), is silly.

        I’ll compare it to a particularly loathsome trait among some in Canada (politico’s and the general public) towards knee-jerk anti-Americanism. Some are so irrational that they would advocate doing the total opposite to whatever the Americans are doing. That is just plain stupid, and is an indirect surrender of your own sovereignty. If a certain policy is good for the country, the chance that it might be good for the Americans as well shouldn’t matter at all.

        Back to F1, the fact that some supporters of Lewis go over-the-top shouldn’t distract from you maintaining your own reasoned assessment of his abilities as a driver.

      7. SteveS says:

        Unfortunately, KBR, if nobody ever pushes back against nonsense statements then they quickly become “conventional wisdom”, and “what everybody knows” to be true.

    5. Grant H says:

      Drivers not sure, constructors is possible

    6. Seized Up says:

      Completeness of Alonso and Kimi!

      Got to take umbrage with that comment – much as I love the Iceman + the Bull – when are they going to stick it on pole?

      Not complete. One lap pace is lacking. Shame. Because then they’d be invincible…

      1. Yago says:

        Putting on par RAI’s one lap pace to ALO’s is going waaay wrong. ALO is on another level in that regard.

        Oh, and you forget about the cars. Just if you didn’t notice, there is something under F1 drivers butts. It’s called car!

        And yes, with a car with the absolute pure pace as the merc and Red Bull ALO would be invincible (more so if he is happy with the team and able to work the way he likes). So thanks God his car is way slower, and even so he almost won two of the last three championships!

        P.S. Yes, I’m saying that ALO would be world champion with this year Merc!

      2. H.Guderian says:


    7. Andrew M says:

      Not impossible, but Merc will have to pull a decent string of wins out in the second half. Vettel has been remarkably consistent, and he’s dominated the run in for three years in a row now.

    8. bob says:

      “I’d say he has now attained the completeness of Alonso and Kimi.”

      Really? Really?? After one race?

      C’mon, even Hamilton fans must know what he’s like!

      He had an excellent race, but he’s now just as likely to put his car into the wall or up the chuff of another driver next race!

      Consistency is hardly a Hamilton quality!

      1. Quade says:

        When last did Lewis crash into a wall or an opponent? Can you remember?

        It’s no use spreading these horrible fads.

  8. Quade says:

    Grosjean and Vettel drove really badly. Both are not the best overtakers and it almost seemed like they’d conspired to do Jenson bodily harm with the clumsy moves they made on him.

    1. Tim says:

      I suspect their cars lacked straight line speed and as a consequence they had to make more desperate attempts at overtakes. Having said that, I thought Grosjean was hard done by with the drive through for his overtake on Massa. At the time the commentators were in raptures and the fact he strayed off the track by a few centimetres was a bit of a shame.

      1. Andrew M says:

        Well, as Martin Brundle is fond of saying, “You can’t be a little bit pregnant.”

      2. Chris M says:

        Equally the stewards often ignore that rule. How many pole laps have we seen from Vettel where he has all four wheels off track, for example.

      3. Rishi says:

        It’s the old letter of the law thing. By the letter of the law Grosjean should have been penalised but at the same time it did feel a bit harsh. I think my objection was more in context with the circuit: because it is dusty and twisty we were seeing cars understeer onto the run-off with all four wheels off the track on repeated occasions and yet nothing being done about it. So in that context I felt Grosjean should have been given the benefit of the doubt.

        That said, I think Brundle also mentioned that the stewards tend to only penalise you if you overtake going off the track or if you set a purple sector while doing it and I guess you do have to draw the line somewhere because if you had eight drivers serving drive-throughs or whatever it would get a bit silly. If its any consolation for Grosjean fans, I think he would have finished 6th anyway once you figure in the penalty for the Button incident (for which, I have to sadly conclude, he was at fault).

    2. Andre says:

      Jeez, anti Vettel probably.

      Vettel is a pretty good overtaker actually, he showed that enough times,
      he just doesn’t need to do it that much.

      His problem yesterday was that the RB got to hot when driving close behind another car, add Hungaroring and its all clear why he had a hard time to pass Button.

  9. Truth or Lies says:

    Despite the tone of the article Grosjean drove well and I cannot see how he was at fault in the incident with Button. He was ahead and Button simply kept his foot in, which he shouldn’t have done, what was Grojean supposed to do back out completely even though he had the line for the chicane and was ahead? Brundles commentary on Sky was disgraceful, once again, even David Croft tried to offer a divergent opinion.

    While the incident with Massa, though outside the rules, was purely racing and the penalty incurred was a real pity. Of all the new drivers to F1 in recent seasons, Perez, Maldonado, Di Resta, Grosjean is in my opinion, despite the many incidents, head and shoulders above them and today as in Germany looked like a very serious racing driver.

    1. Chris M says:

      Grosjean was supposed to keep more to the right to give Button room to be on track. So that was clearly his fault.

      However his penalty was for the Massa incident and that was really stupid and inconsistent from the stewards. How many Vettel pole laps have we seen with him putting all 4 wheels off track, and most of the drivers have pulled a move at some point with a similar overstepping of the track boundaries.

      Sure there is a rule there that I believe should be enforced. But it should be enforced consistently for all, not used to arbitrarily punish individual moves with certain drivers.

    2. KRB says:

      You don’t think any of those other new drivers would do better than Grosjean if they were in the Lotus instead of him? I’m quite confident that Di Resta and Perez would; Maldonado could qualify well in it, but could he bring it home more times than Romain’s managed?

    3. Carl Craven says:

      Regarding Button and Grosjean and Button it’s not true, Grosjean barged in a forced Button almost off the track and considering he struggled to keep it on the track showed how lost he was. Button STILL made that turn despite the contact.

      In a similar incident in Spa a few years ago Lewis Hamilton was punished for pulling the move and making contact with Kobayashi

    4. deancassady says:

      I saw a great, fair, hard racer; the best package on the grid, unfairly penalized.
      The two penalties are inconsistent, because he was in reverse situation either time, but got both penalties.

    5. Harshad says:

      Absolutely I agree, Both the incidents should have been deemed as racing incidents…
      How come Hamilton’s move on Webber a legitimate move, they entered corner side by side and webber was forced off the track by Hamilton. Shouldn’t Hamilton be leaving a car’s width there?Didn’t he gain advantage by forcing webber off track?
      Brundle always seems to praise/side by Hamilton/Button/McLaren team in debatable incidents don’t know why…

      1. Paul says:

        Because Hamilton kept to the racing line and never left the track, he closed the door on Webber and Webber chose to drive around the outside and ran out of room. The incident with Button was that it was in the braking zone where you can only make one clear move, Grosjean drifted into button during braking which can be dangerous. And the penalty on the move on Massa was so harsh as cars were going over the line all race if they werent over taking, but it is in the rules that you have to keep within the constraints of the race track.

    6. Yak says:

      They could have remained side by side on entry to the corner, and Grosjean could basically have stopped Button from turning in, essentially forcing the overtake. Instead, while they were still heading straight, they touched. Button had nowhere to go on the left, it was Grosjean who made contact. At first I thought maybe he’d locked the fronts a bit and the car turned towards Button, but on replay it seemed more just like an unnecessary move. From memory though, the investigation isn’t for the contact, it’s for skipping the chicane and taking the advantage. On that count, he didn’t clearly have the position at that point, and he did indeed skip the chicane and just kept going.

      That said, I’m no Grosjean hater, and I actually quite like him. A lot of his “incidents” haven’t been his fault at all, despite everyone blaming him regardless.

      The move on Massa I thought was perfectly fine. Drivers run off the track for no good reason (aside from better exit speed, which isn’t a valid reason) all the time without penalty. Do it while you’re overtaking though and for some reason suddenly it becomes an advantage. If anything, he did have a good reason for running a little wide, given that he was side by side with Massa through a high speed corner, which could have ended in disaster (and then all the Grosjean haters would have blamed him for that).

      If they’re going to apply the rules regarding running off the track, they should do it consistently. At the moment it seems like you can just run off where ever you want as long as you don’t do it during an overtake.

      1. KRB says:

        When Hamilton went off track and passed Rosberg in Bahrain in 2012 the stewards ruled that 1) Rosberg began his move before Hamilton was alongside, and moved in a constant manner, 2) that Hamilton was alongside before going off track, and that the difference in car speeds (HAM faster) made it hard for ROS to know where HAM was. HAM was allowed to pass off-track (b/c he was forced off), and ROS wasn’t penalised b/c he had been consistent with his moves.

        Today Grosjean was alongside Massa, and just the simple physics of that corner dragged them both to the edge. If Grosjean had kept inside the track, there would’ve been contact.

        What I worry about is what signal this sends the drivers, as to what they can get away with if they’re in front defending against an overtake into a corner. ANY overtake needs some reasonable compliance from the overtakee to happen. This penalty sends the message that it pays to be less compliant during an attempted pass.

      2. bob says:

        Great point!

        I fully believe Hamilton should have been penalised at Bahrain in 2012.

      3. Jake says:

        The important point is whether you have gained an advantage from leaving the track. Clearly if you pass another car while off the track that is an advantage. You can normally save a penalty if you reverse the advantage by giving the position back.

    7. AndyF says:

      +1 the penalty was harsh.

      At least the BBC recognised him as getting it together now.

    8. Vale says:

      PLease cheack again. After the contact with Button, Grosjean cut the chicane. So i think that was the main reason.

    9. Doug says:

      This is a funny post, given that Grosjean himself said he deserved the penalty he got for nearly banging Jenson of the road.
      I did think the Massa incident penalty was a bit harsh…but the boy’s got form.

    10. Torchwood Five says:

      Something interesting I noticed on Sky, was that in post-race interview, Alonso tried to claim that Grosjean had been reckless and clumsy at the start, however we had literally just seen Grosjean’s start with Anthony Davidson on the Skypad, as a good example of Romain’s accuracy and spatial awareness, to compare with later incidents.

      Sorry, for me, Fernando was talking rubbish.

    11. star crazy says:

      Almost fell off my chair!!completely agree,and have said as much on another sight how disgraceful and disrespectful brundle was to Grogean and his block pass on Button,it was Button that ran into the Lotus,found Crofts lame commentary embarrassing biased and behind most of the action.

  10. SteveS says:

    The limitations of the Red Bull car were on display today. When it’s in front it’s fine, but if for some reason they end up in traffic the lack of raw speed makes it very difficult to execute passes, especially on a track like this one.

    Ferrari looked poor, again. I’m starting to think Raikkonen or even Hamilton will end up being Vettel’s main competition.

    Incredibly harsh penalty on Grosjean made Alonso look sightly better than he actually was. It’s almost like there is one set of rules for some drivers and a different set for others …

    1. KRB says:

      The limitations of the other cars are on display most other days. The Red Bull was still the fastest car today (best two race laps were Webber’s and Vettel’s), but they suffered from traffic (Seb) or grid position (Webber).

      Hamilton should send a big Thank You to Button for allowing him to create that gap after the first round of stops.

      1. victor says:

        traffic ! ha !! i thought this was a race track <besides hamilton was managing the gap and could have extended the 12 sec gap easily ,even his team was telling him go half a sec slower
        so red bull should thank hamilton for going slower or the gap might have been half a minute

      2. SteveS says:

        The Red Bull was not “the fastest car today”. The “fastest car today” was the one which made if from start to finish in the least amount of time. That was the Mercedes.

        It’s strange, but I don’t recall anyone ever saying that “Seb won in not the fastest car” when he wins a race while a non RB car takes fastest lap. Which happened at the German GP, so it’s not like its ancient history. When Vettel wins (whether a pole, a race, or a title) that is taken as proof positive that his car is “the fastest”. You can’t make up new rules whenever you feel like it.

      3. KRB says:

        I just base that on the fact that whenever both were in clear air, Vettel was able to reduce the gap to Hamilton. Sure, some of that was Hamilton managing the gap having a 12-15 sec lead. If Vettel had got past Button early on, without incurring any front-wing damage, it would have been a totally different race.

        If Seb had taken pole as he likely should’ve, he would’ve scampered away to as easy a win as Hamilton had today.

        Either way, I would never say the Red Bull was clearly faster today; it wasn’t. The Red Bull and the Merc were very close on race pace, but I’d say the Red Bull was slightly faster.

      4. SteveS says:

        “If Seb had taken pole as he likely should’ve..”

        How has this bizarre myth taken root? The Merc’s finished one-two in Q1 and Q2, and have been the fastest cars in qualifying all season long. Yet Lewis taking another very predicable pole position is a sign that he performed a miracle and/or Seb screwed up?

      5. Jake says:

        No doubt Jenson holding up Seb was a bonus for Lewis, wonder if Jenson new he was doing his old team mate a favour, but at no time did it look like Seb was capable of passing Lewis on track and since the Merc pit stops went without a hitch he probably would not have passed in the pits either.

    2. **Paul** says:

      “but if for some reason they end up in traffic the lack of raw speed”

      They lack straight line speed, their car is a complete compromise, more downforce less straight line speed. So whilst Lewis just hit DRS and KERS to pass Button, Vettel doing the same thing was some 15kmh slower in a straight line. That’s the difference between a pass and not getting a chance. Likewise we saw the Lotus fairly slow in a straight line too. It’s not such an issue when you’re leading, but when you’re not it’s a major problem.

      As an example Vettel behind Hamilton on the opening laps:
      VET + KERS + DRS + Slipstream= 292kmh.
      HAM + KERS no DRS or Slipstream = 290kmh.

      The Red Bull is one of those cars that’s fairly consistently fast, but is probably the hardest car to overtake with in the title challengers. Not having that ability to hit a couple of buttons and overtake has cost them numerous times. It means that both RBR drivers have to get brave on brakes or overtake out of corners where people don’t expect it.

      1. Quade says:

        This is a rubbish theory. If Red Bull can get around the track faster than others whilst lacking a high top speed, it means they are much faster than others in the corners… AND its in the corners that most overtaking is done. Proof? Watch any F1 race.

      2. LQ says:

        So why do they use DRS?

      3. **Paul** says:

        It’s not a theory, neither is it rubbish. It’s factual, Red Bull make a car to be quick on clean air over a lap, thus top speed is massively compromised – that’s the Newey way!

        As for overtakes happening in corners? That’s just not true. Most moves in F1 happen at the end of the longest straight, as thats where DRS + Slipstream are most prominent.

        With regards driver overtaking skill, see Hamilton vs Schumacher at Monza. Lewis’ car was geared too short, so even with DRS & Slipstream he struggled for laps to pass Schumacher. That’s what it’s like trying to pass a faster car in a straight line. Also see Alonso vs Petrov in the 2010 title battle, same thing.

        I guess neither of these guys can overtake then?

      4. JCA says:

        ‘Watch any F1 race’ where you will hear the commentators talking about the Red Bulls slow straight line spead making it hard to overtake. Most overtakes are at the corner after a long straight or shortly thereafter. So being fast on the straight allows you to be close enough behind the car in front to make a dive inside or make the car infront brake too late, allowing you to undercut them into the next corner.

      5. aezy_doc says:

        No, not true. Overtaking is done at the end of straights in the braking zone and quite a lot of overtakes are done with the DRS along the straights. Overtakes in corners are fairly rare as there is often not space and when there is they are risky – which is why we like watching them! There have been more corner overtakes than usual in the last year or so but I would put this down to the tyres effect more than anything.

      6. Doug says:

        Well said Paul…it’s a well known fact that Red Bull go for more corner speed at the expense of straight line speed..also as they’re slightly shorter geared they tend to accelerate slightly faster as well.

        Quade…it’s not a theory…it’s a fact. Garry Anderson has questioned their extreme set-up choice a number of times as it has given them problems before.

      7. Matt H says:

        And that’s why Garry Anderson is a tv pundit and Red Bull are multiple world champions ! Who is Garry Anderson to say what is the best strategy? If he was that good he would be working for Red Bull. Fact is that Red Bull virtually always win over the last few years, I’m a McLaren fan but even I acknowledge they get it right. Your never gonna win every race but they come close to it. That so called wrong strategy had helped with the consistent driving of Vettel a number of races and got webber up there too

      8. **Paul** says:

        @Matt H
        There is no doubt that if you can make the fastest car, top speed isn’t so much of an issue. RBR have proved this, but if you’re not in clean air, the whole plan falls apart a bit.

        It spoke volumes about the RBR setup that in Abu Dhabi last year after Vettel was put on the back of the grid they altered the car setup drastically to ‘allow’ overtaking – and it worked.

      9. Matt H says:

        @ Paul granted Abu Dhabi was an example but only red bull know there limitation and saying they should longer gear or less drag would make them potentially win is not correct. These so called simple changes affect tyre temp corner speed etc and shedding that downforce for top speed could drop them further back in lap time. Point being its all ifs and buts ham did the better job vettel rescued some poor driving (ie wing collision) with a solid points haul red bull win both titles more examples of the run and hide working than the one you were initially proposing

      10. Torchwood Five says:

        @Matt H

        One of the great things about seeing one of the older Classic F1 races recently, was seeing some of the names I know today, racing, and in the case of Gary Anderson, whom till then I only knew as the “tv pundit” that you describe, the race commentator referring to the car that he had designed taking part in the race – that is his qualification for being able to comment on these things.

      11. Quade says:

        I hope you guys don’t mind me putting in a link, its to avoid making a double post; I made some arguments that lay last races top speed excuse to rest. Its lower down this page, here (you might need to scroll up or down a bit):


    3. justafan says:

      I was a bit disappointed to day with Ferdy. He didn’t look too racy. Maybe he needs the break now to come out stronger? Surely I do hope so.

    4. Anne says:

      Although Hamilton was amazing today I don´t see him or anyone else as a real challenge to Vettel. Vettel had problems with his car today but still he finished in P3. And Webber starting from P10 finished in P4. It was a better weekend for RB than for Hamilton and Mercedes because Rosberg had issues from the start. And because it was Lewis first win. He is still 4th in the drivers championship. I´m afraid it´s too late.

      Lotus, I don´t know. Grosjean for one reason or another is a problem. And Kimi although always in the hunt he hasn´t won a race since Australia.

      Alonso seems like he gave up the fight.He doesn´t look very motivated. And the car is not in very good shape.

      I wish I could be wrong. But right now I think that´s the situation.

      1. Krischar says:

        @ ANNE

        Alonso could have not drove any better with Ferrari in hungary.

        I never doubt Alonso’s motivation or commitment towards his drive. NO matter what car he drives for or what ever the situation is. Today 5TH place does not look any bad with some quickest cars around him.

        Sadly Ferrari cannot and will not improve the CAR which i am sure about.

    5. deancassady says:

      Red Bull still looks plenty good, eh?

      1. Grant says:

        Unfortunately yes

    6. Quade says:

      Vettel’s inability to overtake is what did him in today.
      He lacks F1′s gritty trench/strategy skills and can generally only drive away from the front.

      1. Spinodontosaurus says:

        Vettel is one of the sharpest racers on the entire grid. The Red Bull simply has no straight line speed. They suffer from this all the time, so it doesn’t come as a surprise.


        Unnecessary penalty for Grosjean, took him completely out of the equation which spoilt the race a bit imo.

      2. Andrew says:

        I agree with this. Time and time again he comes up with a stupid move when he is in traffic. He could have lost a load of points today running in to Button. Yes, he suffers sometimes with the lack of top speed of the Red Bull but so does Raikkonen with Lotus and he hardly ever touches anybody.

      3. deancassady says:

        I’m still in disbelieve that a clear follower of F1, as I assume you to be, saw the Budapest 2012 race! No? Look at it: Vettel can pass, Vettel can drive, VERY GRITTY!

      4. KRB says:

        It was their lack of straight-line speed (car design philosophy), and being behind on this particular track, that cost them. If Vettel was on pole, he would’ve scampered away, breaking DRS in the last two sectors, and then would’ve been gone.

        I used to doubt Vettel’s overtaking prowess awhile back; I don’t anymore. I think Hamilton is the best overtaker out there, but Vettel and Alonso are pretty damn good too.

      5. JCA says:

        Seb has made plenty of good overtakes the last two years. He gets stuck behind cars with better top speed, as Hamilton did behind Schumi at Monza when Schumi chopped him a couple of times. The Red Bull is fast in the corners, but lose out when running in dirty air, where you need high top speed to get next to the guy in front.

      6. Quade says:

        Hmmmm! The top speed excuse again! Ok, lets dismantle that argument.

        In Hungary, the straights are very short, it is a tight, twisty track where high top speeds don’t matter much (in fact, they don’t make sense). Here are a few points:

        1. The tightness of the track is such that cars can stick much closer to the car ahead than they normally can. This gives DRS a much higher impact than normal.

        2. Vettel never hit the rev limiter.

        3. Kimi’s Lotus has the same low top speed characteristics as the Red Bull (as does the 2013 Merc, surprisingly). So Vettel didn’t need high speed to overtake Kimi. YET, lap after lap after frustrating lap, Vettel couldn’t pass Kimi in a Lotus wearing knackered boots.

        4. Overtaking was entirely possible without high top speeds and outside of the straights as shown by Lewis two passes on Webber which occurred entirely within a corner (same was shown by Alonso off the start line into the second corner).

        5. Etc :)

      7. James Allen says:

        The Strategy report will disprove your theory tomorrow.

      8. Quade says:

        Hmm! James, I look forward to it, I’m sure we’ll have a great argument.

    7. Jonathan says:

      It is not just the set up. The RB is, like so many of Newey’s designs, very tightly packaged. Running in clear air it is fine but the moment they are behind another they suffer from much reduced cooling. If you remember Vettel was told to keep out of the slipstream if the car ahead. That forced him to run off line and suffer a double whammy – running off line at Hungary meant running over marbles.

      That and excellent driving from Button kept him behind long enough to let Lewis build a decent lead.

    8. Krischar says:

      @ Grosjean penalty had virtually no effect on alonso’s race

      Unnecessary and usual DIG at alonso

      Grosjean displayed his madness once again when it was not required at all and deservedly got the penalty.

      If anything Grosjean Affected alonso’s WDC. Remember SPA 2012 ?

      Alonso drove as well as he could and finished 5TH in a rubbish car. BRAVO alonso…

      Get real Steve.S

    9. j says:

      The limitation of the Red Bull is that all it’s bits are packed too tightly under it’s skin. It’s the fastest car out there but when the weather gets a little too hot the KERS starts failing and the drivers have to start coasting and working to keep the car cooled down. Should be an interesting summer.

  11. DK says:

    HAM drove well, but he should send BUT a thank you card.

    1. fada says:

      Thank Jenson for what? if i may ask. Should he thank Webber and Kimi too ? Blimey! he may as well thank all the drivers who could not be easily overtaken by Seb. Lewis took his chances and made his tyres last for good measure. Seb could not (with Kimi and button). This is Racing. No one owes anybody gratitude. I am sorry, no thank you cards for anyone.

    2. Kingszito says:

      How? Would he send a thank you card to Webber too? The overtake on Button was fair and square! If Vettel was unable to pull the same overtake on Button then it’s part of the race! Hamilton drove well and executed some nice overtakes that earn him the win, so don’t take it away from him.

    3. Grant says:

      Yeah, that Redbull still looks superfast.

    4. Tim says:

      To be fair, LH had the pace to stay in front of SV, if anyone should send JB a thank you card, it should be KR :-)

      1. I will says:

        Absolutely true. Yes KIM benefitted more than HAM. I can’t see Seb overtaking Ham in this race.

    5. Hal says:

      Why? Button drove his race (and professionally as usual)- it’s not like he let Hamilton pas and kept Vettel back on purpose.

    6. Colombia Concalvez says:

      Why ?, because Vettel could not overtake Button while Hamilton could ?

    7. victor says:

      thank you to button for what even if seb had pass button hamilton would have pull out a gap ,he did at the start and all through the race was managing the gap

    8. Torchwood Five says:

      Maybe for bothering to defend his spot at all. Lewis passed Jenson fair and square, sure, but so far this season, Jenson hasn’t made much attempt to stop anyone passing him, even when he has asked on the radio if he should defend.

      This race, Button held someone behind him for over ten laps. Worth a beer, a card, a slap on the back the next time they do breakfast – why not?

  12. Kanman1 says:

    seriously……in hungary, beside the pole sitter, 3 stoppers gonna cause the rest traffic issues.

    Lesson learned.

  13. SteveS says:

    It’s a good thing Rosberg isn’t Australian! That’s his third mechanical DNF of the season to none for Hamilton.

    1. KRB says:

      Costing him a max 4 pts, wow. Rosberg screwed up his own race at the start, after having a great start, by being a bit too greedy. He turned in when Massa was there, which sent him tumbling down the order, then touched with Maldonado a few corners later.

    2. Rob says:

      I’m sure that if you compare today’s pitstop times RBR conspired to make sure MW finished behind SV… or maybe they ‘unintentionally’ reduced MW’s KERS efficiency… there _has_ to be some applicable exception of Occam’s Razor here…

    3. Yak says:

      To be fair, Hamilton was also running out front in clean air for most of the race, whereas Rosberg was battling for positions. Even then, they were telling Hamilton to back off later in the race.

      What about Schumi last year? Were they favouring Rosberg then, with the ridiculous string of bad luck Schumi went through?

      1. Quade says:

        They told Rosberg to back off too, but it seems he didn’t listen. He kept his nose right in Massa’s tail gases, about 0.3 sec behind lap after lap until his engine could take the torture no more.

    4. Tim says:

      Maybe he has to drive the car ‘harder’ to keep up !

    5. Rich B says:

      Hamilton’s tyre blowout at the British gp handed Nico the win

    6. furstyferret says:

      Come on in those 3 dnf hamilton was leading rosberg easily, bud luck is leading the brit gp your tyre going bang putting you at the back of the grid, good luck is inheriting the lead in the brit gp, your tyre about to go the way of your teamates a saftey car coming out just before you pass the pit entrance, sorry I allmost forgot having a 5 place grid penalty for a broken gearbox, when your tyre gos pop again, its not been all plain sailing for hamilton this year

    7. trev says:

      must have mixed up the tyres at Silverstone and Bahrain then?

    8. Witan says:

      I am beginning to wonder if Rosberg is fast but hard on the kit in doing it.

      He had an advantage over his teammate in knowing the Merc and its systems and seemed to be slightly better at managing the old tyres than Hamilton but those slight advantage may have gone now and in realising that Nico may have been trying too hard after seeing the qualifying gap?

      He is a very good driver and will continue to win but perhaps it will be all up or all down in this season at least.

      1. James Allen says:

        He was following other cars more, so things got hot. HAM managed to find clear air, either through strategy or through some bold overtakes!

  14. Irish con says:

    I’m a Ferrari fan but been massively impressed by Lewis Hamilton this last 2-3 races. For his first year in a new car he is doing well. There is no way there is 2 world championships differences in Sebastian and Lewis ni matter how good seb is.

    On a different point Romains penalty for the massa move was a joke. But he should of got a penalty for banging into button. F1 should follow moto gps lead with the Marquez pass on Rossi into the cork screw. Moves that get people excited shouldn’t be penalised.

    1. Elie says:

      I believe Lewis found his sweet spot as a driver last year and carried it to Mercedes. He is just like Fernando and Kimi every bit as good or better than Seb-always has been- people are just haters or judge him personally.

      1. Grant says:


        They are very obsessed with his girlfriend too.

      2. Alexander Supertramp says:

        Good observation. A lot of people seem to forget how great he was last year.. How many times did I have to hear that he’s busy with other things than racing and that he hasn’t performed the way he should. 2012/2013 Hamilton would kick 2007-2009 Hamilton’s behind very hard!

      3. LQ says:

        Looks like you hate Seb, hami is good but Seb is better youngest WC x 3. Mercedes has the fastest car 7 out of 10 poles. Hamilton just now learnt how to ride with more fuel on board.

      4. DonSimon says:

        The fastest car changes from week to week. Are you seriously suggesting that the car that gets pole is always the fastest race car? Years of watching F1 prove that to be incorrect.

    2. Quade says:

      I agree about Grosjean, especially as Massa whacked him too. That penalty was absolutely ridiculous.

      As for Lewis, he is really good, his greatest error was coming into Alonso’s team and not accepting to be number two; you can’t have two bulls in the same pen. So he had Alonso’s fans baying for his blood and saying unfair things all over the press and internet (both men have since made up, and fans on both sides have begrudgingly accepted the tremendous talents of both men).
      These days though, Vettel fans (few as they are) have joined the badmouth bandwagon; something that’s rather puzzling, as Vettel is not Lewis team mate (nor has he ever been).

      1. Grant says:

        I think Vettel fans fear Lewis because they know, their man is an illegitimate heir to the throne.

        So just throw anything you can find at the real prince.

        The inevitability of Vettel being exposed (probably later than sooner) stares them in the face.

      2. Spinodontosaurus says:

        I think it is most likely the other way around, hence why fans of Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton constantly hate on and diminish the achievements of Vettel as much as possible.

        Of those drivers, only Kimi has accepted Vettel as great in recent times, Hamilton and Alonso are to busy trying to play mind games (funny that Alonso was singing a different song back in 2011: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/15033509 “the best team, the best driver, the best package”)

      3. Quade says:

        Kimi is angling for a Red Bull seat, so he might say a strange thing or two. That’s life.

        All the top drivers, know who else top of the shelf, so if they say Vettel isn’t (and we observe the same), then he isn’t.

        Do you know that figures released by Red Bull from the Young Drivers Test, Ricciardo was faster than Vettel on the same fuel load? That’s just one of those interesting titbits that pop up now and again to prove the point ;just as it took Vettel 12 laps to overtake Jenson after his tyres hit the cliff (and after Vettel had crashed into him in what has become a Vettel tradition).

        How can a driver who can’t overtake be called great?

      4. Grant says:

        I hear Alonso might be joining Redbull.

        Game-over for Vettel….

      5. Spinodontosaurus says:

        All the top drivers know that Vettel is one of the best, Alonso has called him the best as recently as 2011, and resort to playing mind games as a result.

        Vettel can overtake perfectly well. If you looked out for evidence to prove this as much as you look for evidence to disprove it, you would understand.
        I suppose Hamilton’s inability to overtake Vettel in Texas 2012 without the aid of traffic means he too “can’t overtake”? Let’s just ignore the instances where he has proven this wrong; you seem to do the same with Vettel, so it’s only fair.

        …and using a tyre test to try and ‘prove’ Vettel is not fast? Right…

      6. Doug says:

        Quade, I agree with a lot of what you say in this post except about Lewis’s greatest error coming into Alonso’s team & not accepting No.2 status??

        1/ It wasn’t Alonso’s team…if anything, due to McLaren involvement early in his career it was Lewis’s team.

        2/ McLaren have never run a ‘one driver’ team…which is why I’ve always liked them.

    3. SteveS says:

      “There is no way there is 2 world championships differences in Sebastian and Lewis ni matter how good seb is.”

      That’s a pointless way of looking at things. Hulkenberg has zero wins, Hamilton has 30. Is Hamilton 30 times better than Hulkenberg?

      1. KRB says:

        VET has 30 wins, HAM has 22, and of course neither are 30x better than HUL. I rate HUL, as I rate RIC.

      2. Matt says:

        Sorry Steve, maths says Hamilton’s infinity times better than Hulk!

  15. All revved-up says:

    I’m not sure who is happier – Hamilton or Williams (scoring their first point of the season).

    Hamilton’s ability to overtake is a joy to watch. It’s probably got to do with the Mercedes’ ability to put power down through its rear tyres, but still – a superb performance.

    Lotus again pulled off a one stop less strategy and Kimi converted it into second place; skillfully holding off Vettel/RB.

    In stark contrast to Grosjean who again threw away valuable points clumsily bumping into Button.

    Webber – what a wonderful recovery drive.

    What happened to Ricciardo? Qualified in the top 10 and again scored less points than JEV?

    1. Yak says:

      Grosjean didn’t lose any points from the Button incident. He was given a 20 second post-race penalty… which didn’t affect his position.

      His drive through was for the Massa overtake, and IMO the penalty was rubbish. Enforce the rules, or don’t enforce the rules. One way or the other, not just where you feel like enforcing them.

      1. All revved-up says:

        Agreed. I was surprised the drive through was for the Massa overtake. Even Massa saw nothing wrong.

    2. Jato says:

      STR gave him a rubbish strategy, put him on a two stopper of all things. Ricciardo was a pitstop plus ahead of Vergne and started losing up to 3/4 seconds a lap yet STR still kept him out. Lost like 12 seconds in 4 laps…should have finished in front of Hulkenburg. To give you an idea, he spent more laps on the last set of tires than Kimi did.

      1. All revved-up says:

        Thanks for the info. I didn’t manage to figure out what happened at TR from the TV coverage.

      2. JTodt says:

        The upside is that Ricciardo will be driving a Red Bull car next year.

        Why? Horner states that Raikkonen in a RB seat is speculation.

        Also, Kimi states that his decision might seem stupid.

        The deal is done with Dan. You heard it here first.

  16. DK says:

    Alonso made the best of the equipment he has at hand to maintain his third place in the Drivers’ Championship

    He was in second place before this race ….

    1. Quade says:

      If Ferrari doesn’t act fast, he might soon be 4th in the championship.

      Rumour is that his management has begun secret meeting with Red Bull.
      When BBC asked Vettel what he though about having Alonso as teammate, a look of absolute fear and bewilderment seized his face! After a second or two to catch his breath, he replied that he preferred Kimi! LOL!!!

      Who doesn’t fear Alonso as teammate?

      1. DanAbnormal says:

        Who doesn’t see by now that, despite his inarguable talent, ALO is a cancer to every team he is on? RBR would be wise to leave him be.

      2. victor says:


      3. I will says:

        Lewis. I am serious.

      4. Antti says:

        Nonsense, just because Alonso’s manager, who happens to manage some of Red Bull junior drivers, talks to Red Bull does not mean Alonso is even contemplating to move there. I don’t know where you get this “look of absolute fear” from, he was just saying he respects Kimi on and off the track and sees working with him to be easier, unlike with Alonso, who he apparently respects only on the track (at least that’s the innuendo I got from his answer).

      5. All revved-up says:

        I watched the BBC Vettel interview. There was no “look of fear”. It was more a “how do I give a serious answer to this baseless speculative question” look as he thought about it. And I thought Vettel’s response composed on the spot, was superior to many corporate communications executives. This young man has a good brain.

      6. Jonathan says:

        Lewis never feared him! – despite being a rookie.

      7. quattro says:

        No reason for HAM to fear ANY driver-teammate, especially when his mentor Rod Dennis is the team boss.

        HAM have finished each and every year, since 2010, BEHIND ALO in the standings – despite having a faster package each and every year. He is behind this year as well. “Analyze that!”

      8. Anne says:

        That´s just nonesense. Last year the reports were that Vettel was going to Ferrari. And Alonso was against it. Now the media says Alonso wants to go to RB to be with Vettel.
        It doesn´t add up. Alonso´s manager is also Carlos Sainz manager. And the chat with Horner was about Sainz.

  17. Blue Persuasion says:


    1. Miha Bevc says:

      Get a grip, man.
      (why is this sort of comment even allowed on this website?)

      P.S. I’m not a Hamilton fan.

      1. SteveS says:

        In fairness, his comment is not any more out there than all the conspiracy theories about Helmut Marko sabotaging Webbers car in every race.

      2. ADE says:

        Why indeed???
        P.S. I am a Lewis Hamilton fan.

    2. Rob says:

      I’m sure there has to be a Gribowsky angle here somewhere… maybe Bernie paid off all the other teams to let Mercedes win, to create a sideshow/diversion away from his legal troubles? Who’s with me here? Anyone? ;)

    3. Remco says:

      Maybe Vettel should learn to pass like Hamilton does.

    4. Yak says:

      He used Button to hold up Vettel? Wow.

    5. Doug says:

      sour grapes anyone?

    6. Rohan says:

      Why are comments like these allowed to be published? This is far, far below the standard of discourse on this website.

    7. Chris Trebble says:

      In the words of John McEnroe:

      You cannot be serious!

    8. Aey says:

      After Pit, Lewis was behind Button, same as Vettel and other, but he can make the good move on Button while Vettel can’t, so whose fault.

      When Grsjean got the penalty, Lewis already mile ahead.

      What a plan?

    9. Quade says:

      @Blue Persuasion
      You are so “right” and your words are so “wise.”

      1. Nathan Jones says:

        Very good. +1

    10. victor says:

      i guess you weren’t watching the race hamilton was miles ahead of roman before the DTP

    11. B.Diddy says:

      Used Button to hold up Vettel??? Absolute nonsense Vettel had the same opportunity to get past but took 12 laps to do it… The whole tone of your post is embarrassing to suggest it was rigged is ridiculous please leave your silly biased comments off this site as it is for REAL F1 fans who have knowledge of the sport

    12. Seized Up says:

      10: RAOFL
      20: GOTO 10

      1. Jake says:

        BASICally spot on.

    13. All revved-up says:

      Thank you moderator for maintaining standards on this website. There are plenty of other forums catering for nonsensical comments.

  18. Phil Glass says:

    What happened to Ferrari ????

    1. Miha Bevc says:

      Probably their wind tunnel :)

    2. justafan says:

      Alonso having a bad day?

    3. Sebee says:

      Pasta wasn’t spiced right.

    4. victor says:

      the other teams have develope their cars at a faster rate

      i must say its a good thing merc miss that tyre test , because a better understanding of those tyres merc would have been even further ahead

    5. quattro says:

      They did not have a private/secret illegal three days test with the current package and race drivers, covering almost four race distances, early in the season.

      One of several reasons.

      1. Jake says:

        They did have a tyre test. Massa was involved. They had access to the Pirelli data the test produced. Only difference was not this years car.
        Notwithstanding the above, this only explains the Merc being ahead. What about the Lotus and the Red Bull.

      2. Steven says:

        Perhaps not, but they DID go to the Young Driver test…

  19. Truth or Lies says:

    Another abysmal showing from Ferrari, how much longer can Stefano Domenicali continue?

    This is a team with endless resources, strong race winning drivers and yet they are still going nowhere.

    A few races ago they had reasonable race pace but no qualifying speed, now they have neither.

    You have to question some of the decisions as well. Massa was fastest in Q1 and 2 in Germany yet they opted not to let either driver run the soft tyre in Q3, instead opting for a half baked solution of starting on the hard, that completely failed. Then in this race they opt to run the soft tyre in Q3 after they had no real speed in Q1 or 2, qualify poorly
    and then get beaten in the race by Webber and Button respectively, who used their German strategy this time around!!

    I cannot believe Alonso is the serious committed race driver he is if he accepts much more of this, actually Massa too. Another season, another washout looms, its time for some action in the boardroom.

    1. justafan says:

      They need a driver like Schumacher who tells them which way to go. They are depending on such a driver or they get lost. I hopes Alonso would be that driver but he makes too many mistakes.

      1. Phil Glass says:

        Sorry but they have now the driver who got the measure of schumacher, so where will they find a better driver?
        Prob is not the driver. Teammate maybe, and looks like he will be out end of year anyway

      2. justafan says:

        Take the driver who got the measure of Alonso.

      3. Krischar says:


        Can you let us how many mistakes Alonso made with Ferrari ?

        The biggest mistake Alonso made in his life Joined Ferrari in 2010


        What Ferrari need ? Excellent technical crew and produce the quickest car in the grid for the first time since 2008

      4. Doug says:

        Remember Ferrari had Brawn, Byrne, Todt, special Bridgestones & unlimited testing…Schumi was just the pilot with ‘No.1′ written into his contract.
        Schumi was good…but not quite as good as Alonso IMHO.

    2. deancassady says:

      yeah, very succinct

    3. Ben Taylor says:

      You ask how long Domenicali can continue, Whitmarsh seems to be able to hang on. I’d have them both out by now. At least Domenicali gives a lively interview.

      1. Simon Donald says:


        I’m no Ferrari fan but I love a Stefano interview, I thought Whitmarsh should have been sacked last year

      2. Quade says:

        Whitmarsh is stuck to McLaren with Gorilla Glue! :(

    4. Tim says:

      Out of interest, who would you give the job too?
      Ferrari isn’t Chelsea!

      1. Chris Trebble says:

        And there was me thinking Alonso was the Special One!

    5. Yago says:

      Nothing wrong with Ferrari’s strategic decisions. Actually, they were flawless today (as was ALO the whole weekend). Their problem is of technical nature. They are not able to build a quick car. On track, they are the best along with Red Bull.

      Regarding ALO, it is the other way around. He is the serious committed driver, and that’s why he is going to accept all this, and work tirelessly to win with Ferrari. I mention this also in response of all this nonsense rumors of him contacting Red Bull, which are aimed to destabilize the team (and sell newspapers). I think it was very poor from Horner not to deny it when asked by the british media.

      1. Jake says:

        Maybe the reason Horner did not deny the rumour is because it is true.
        In any case nothing wrong with a bit of payback for the stuff Ferrari have spread around regarding Vettel moving to Ferrari.

      2. Anne says:

        How that can be true when according to the media Alonso didn´t want Vettel as team mate in Ferrari? Why would he like to be with Vettel in RB or in anyother team for that matter?

      3. Yago says:

        LOL Yes, that indeed was revenge!

      4. Witan says:

        Ferrari were not flawless in several respects, and indeed got a penalty for the rather silly mistake of running Alonso’s car with the practice map for the DRS so in the race it opened at all the wrong – and illegal- places.

        They seem to have lost their way, and that may be, like McLaren, a mismatch with wind tunnel and track performance. But in a science and technology based business that such a problem continues for the second year at least is a real failure for both teams.

      5. Yago says:

        They were flawless regarding strategy and pit stops. The only strategic mistake (that I remember of course) this year was the one in Malaysia with the front wing. And they have done excellent calls this year like the undercuts in Australia and Spain for example.

        Your second point is in agreement with my exposition. Ferrari’s problem is of technical nature. And the correlation issues have been there not for two years but at least four (since 2010). Actually they have been fixing their wind tunnel since the second half of last year, so they have been working in Toyota’s facilities. By now they should be reopening it and starting to operate it again. Actually, the malfunctioning Silverstone aero package (which is the main reason why they are going backwards now, as they had to revert to the Spanish Grand Prix specification) could be related to the return to their fixed tunnel, what would be something really worrying.

      6. Yago says:

        Sorry, I remember now another strategic mistake. Putting used intermediate tires on ALO’s car at Canada’s quail (Q3) and bringing him out with only one lap in the tank, so he could not benefit by the best track conditions that did occur in what would have been his second Q3 timed lap. If he had done that lap with new tires (what is what Vettel and Bottas did) he would have gained one or two positions on the grid.

        Overall though, they have been very good regarding strategy and pit stops, and as you can see I am pretty meticulous analyzing this things! ;)

    6. ShaBooPi says:

      I completely agree, this is sickening to watch. Alonso has never had the fastest car since his double world titles at Renault. He’s basically challenged only through his own talent. 2010 and 2012 would have been almost as dull as 2011 were it not for this. I’m sick of Ferrari. I remember when Alonso joined they made a point of repeating that no driver is bigger than Ferrari. Guess what Ferrari, you’ve produced nothing but second rate cars, and apart from 2012, second rate strategy. Your driver is rated as the best in the field but your car has not even been rated in the top two cars in any year since 2008. You are more of a limping horse than a prancing one. No one could put a Ferrari on pole without wet conditions. There is always talk about Ferrari and its history but history is meaningless when it comes to results. The most valuable thing Ferrari have right now in F1 is not their name or their car or their factory or their designer or their chief, it is the contract they have with Alonso. Were he driving for another team he’d be taking points off them and kicking them in the teeth to expose their true lumbering ineptitude. Tell the horse whisperer the gig is up,you need a bull whisperer, cos all I hear from Ferrari is bull excrement.

      1. Yago says:

        LOL Well yes, I think it is exasperating. Just one thing, when it rains the car is even slower (with the exception of 2012) LOL The sad thing for me is that Ferrari is inmensely benefitting from having ALO, as he is masking their technical ineptitude, but ALO is wasting his best years with them. It is not a symbiosis where both benefit from one another, it is parasitism, and ALO is the host. It seems to me as if they are soaking up all ALO’s skills and determination, untill there is nothing left.

        I hope ALO is strong enough to resist untill Ferrari produce a good car and then win a champioship with them. If not, it would be very very sad. Probably the worst injustice in modern Formula 1.

  20. B.Ware says:

    So I guess now it’s fairly obvious that Mercedes didn’t gain any advantage from their private Pirelli test… And Hamilton should be nominated for an Oscar for his ‘surprise pole’ and his ‘miracle win’. That’s some fine acting there.

    1. AlexD says:

      Man, enough is enough, they gained an advantage, for sure. But did you figure out that right now they were raci g completely differe t tyres?

      1. B.Ware says:

        The issue is not the tires. The problem was wearing out their tires too quickly that Mercedes was able to solve by testing their cars with race drivers in season.

      2. LT says:

        The tyres now are completely different, and all the teams bar Mercedes tested them for 3 days.

      3. quattro says:

        “But did you figure out that right now they were raci g completely differe t tyres?”

        Just curious. Are you saying that the current tyres are completely different to those Merc was using at the illegal test? Any link to were this is stated?

      4. Witan says:

        As far as I understand the private test were experimental tyres for next year (2014), while the current tyres used in Hungary are an amalgum of 2012 and 2013 models. Two different beasts.

        So it is interesting for the very opposite reason to the conspiracy theorists favourite meme, that Mercedes are excluded from testing this new mixed tyre at Silverstone (top teams did several race distances) but managed them as well if not better than any team other than Lotus.

    2. Kingszito says:

      These are new tyres for every team and if any team was at disadvantage on these tyres, it was Mercedes because they were banned not to test the tyres during the YDT last week when all other teams tested it.

      Lewis pole time was better than Vettel’s with just 4000th of a second. If you had watched the qualifiers, you would hardly believe that any driver could matched the time Vettel did on his first fresh tyre run, which was more than 800th of a second quicker than Lewis managed in his first run on (used tyres).

      Vettel was faster than Lewis in Q2 with 300th of second when both ran on used soft. Hamilton and other drivers had to use extra soft tyres to move into safer zone on Q2. Hamilton was surprised for being on pole not to downplay the speed his car, but Red Bull has been mighty before that final run. I for one was surprised that Lewis bettered Vettel first time not to talk of his improved second run.

      1. quattro says:

        ” I for one was surprised that Lewis bettered Vettel first time not to talk of his improved second run.

        The Merc drivers state, at the beginning of the GP, that they have lost pace compared to the others and that pole/victory are totally out of reach. From there they manage, not only to take pole (ROS in a strong 4th despite brake problems in Q3!), but also to WIN the race, with track temperature being 50+!!!
        Given this sequence of events, and recalling their massively improved performance in races following the illegal test, it is surprising that you are surprised.

    3. Nick_F1 says:

      Are you serious???

      On their test there was no FIA at all so Merc did what they wanted – instead of what others did on YDT (exactly what Pirelli said and nothings more).

      1. Jake says:

        Pure conjecture on your part. Where is the evidence that Merc did what they wanted.

      2. Anne says:

        Three days with Current car, current drivers, unmarked helmets, 1000km, no media and no FIA stewards. It doesn´t take rocket science to connect the dots. There are 99% chances they tested a lot more than just tyres

      3. Tyemz says:

        .On their test, there was no FIA at all so Merc did what they wanted.
        Don’t know how such a test would be of any value to Pirelli or are you telling me, with all the trouble going on about tyres at that time, Pirelli were dumb enough to risk a PR disaster by masking a Merc test and calling it a Pirelli tyre test? In any case, you go as far back as Bahrain and you find that Ferrari had “secret” tests as well which might not have been exactly what Pirelli said they did. I can’t believe people are getting selective and going paranoid because they realize that Merc combine single lap pace with a strong driver line-up and a strong technical line-up (which will get stronger with Lowe coming in) to become a real threat to RB’s title challenge

      4. DonSimon says:

        Too right. I am astounded that people are trotting out this nonsense.

    4. Jonathan C says:

      Any advantage they gained will surely have been nullified now the others have had the young drivers test, and also they wouldn’t have been testing the tyres they are now using and which everyone else was able to test with.

    5. Quercus says:

      Oh come on! Mercedes missed out on three days of ‘young driver’ testing with the new tyres, post the Silverstone fiasco. Any perceived advantage from taking part in Pirelli’s tyre test was thus negated.

      Hamilton played a blinder today.

    6. Anon says:

      Completely new tyres which the other teams have had more experience with…

    7. quattro says:

      That was exactly what I thought already after friday practice actually – an act.
      They wanted it to look as missing the YDT was a reasonable punishment, and asked the drivers to put on that poor act.
      I am amazed that so many posters choose to see the HAM/MERC win as a surprise/special achievement after their pace (and consistency) in the races post the secret test, not to mention this close-to-dominant Saturday (factoring in the brake problems ROS did have in Q3).

      Obviously the act worked so you cannot but say, well done Mercedes, Hollywood next!

    8. Tony says:

      Brawn should also get an Oscar for his pre-race performance, going on about how much they’ve been disadvantaged by missing out on the YDT.

      No matter what Merc now do this year, I, and I’m sure many others, will always suspect that their results are down to cheating.

      Interesting also that Rosberg didn’t even get investigated for taking off Massa’s front wind end plate when cutting him up.

  21. Pranav Haldea says:

    “”And the fact that Mercedes has now managed to win a race in intense heat, as well as on a high loading circuit like Silverstone indicates that they can master their tyre management and thus can be competitive anywhere.””


    In light of the above, who would you say is Vettel’s biggest rival this year for the championship? Raikonnen, Alonso or Hamilton?

    Can you also confirm if Ferrari is indeed bringing a big upgrade to Spa?


    1. James Allen says:

      I think Hamilton (and Rosberg) will complicate the championship from here, but won’t win it.

      Alonso and Ferrari would lose out in that scenario (as they have in last four races) and Lotus probably lack firepower to take it to Vettel for three months solid.

      So the result is WDC #4 for Vettel.

      1. AlexD says:

        Agree, but it is very unfortunate….especially because it is so predictable.

      2. Miha Bevc says:

        I see it the same and hope you are right!
        But be afraid of 2014 Mercedes…

      3. justafan says:

        James, do you think Lewis in his current form can beat Schumacher’s 91 win tally? Or Vettel? Maybe Alonso?

      4. Alexander Supertramp says:

        91 is a lot! Lewis has 22 after 6,5 years.. Seems pretty unlikely. Alonso doesn’t have the time left.. Perhaps Vettel, but again, 91 is a lot!

      5. Jagan says:

        I think the 91 wins is the toughest record to break. During his prime years at Ferrari, Schumacher had no competition at a similar level, whereas today you have 4 drivers (VET, HAM, ALO, RAI) who are arguably at the same level as Schumi and a few (BUT, WEB, ROS) who are just a little behind, that makes it very difficult for anyone to run away with wins like he did

      6. KRB says:

        Holy geez, that level of consistent dominance that Ferrari/Schumi showed, will likely never happen again. He was getting into double-digit wins each year for 5 years. The same would be necessary today to ever get close to 91 wins.

      7. Kingszito says:

        It’ll take Hamilton to win all the whole races for the next 3 and half years to achieve that, which is very impossible considering how competitive the whole grid are now to those during the Schumi days. I think it’s an impeccable record to be broken.

      8. Kingszito says:

        @James, Thanks for making such a bold prediction. I hope you are wrong. Seb has been awesome winning 3 WDC consecutively, but for the sake of good sports, I hope someone really push him harder than ever this season!

      9. SteveS says:

        He won one title by four points and another by three. He’s been pushed hard. There is a driver out there who has never won a closely fought title race. Fernando something-or-other.

      10. KRB says:

        Steve S, huh? Alonso and Schumi were tied on points with two races to go in 2006. Schumi was leading Alonso in the penultimate race, when his engine blew, handing Alonso a 10-pt lead. For anyone to say that wasn’t a close championship is just plain silly.

      11. All revved-up says:

        Very concise and accurate answer.

        The race for number two is interesting. Unless Ferrari’s Spa upgrades result in Mercedes like improvements, I think Alonso will be beaten by Hamilton and Kimi.

        Despite a few weak races by Lotus since Spain, Kimi has caught Alonso and regained second. Hamilton’s ability to win races could mean healthy points continuing. This should take him past Alonso. Hamilton’s about 50 point gap to Vettel is challenging.

        I think Alonso will be putting Ferrari management under a lot of pressure.

      12. Dominationisboring says:

        How about an article on why the four big teams (McLaren, Ferrari, Lotus and Mercedes) cant seem to be able to take the fight to Red Bull after 4 years. The other teams can all win races, but cant seem to put it together for a whole season.

        I would be interested to know what the opinions are, is it incompetance, weak no2 drivers, lack of star talent like Newey??

        It looks like another forgone conclusion for both titles, and with still 9 races to go that is sad.

        Domination in any sport is bad and leads to fewer viewers, at least last year went down to the final race.

      13. Jagan says:

        IMHO, it is not just the car but the complete package. Seb has not got much love and the respect has been grudging (he’s in the best car), but on the evidence of it, he is an all time great. Most of the guys close to F1 (James, Peter Windsor etc) have acknowledged his skill and ability, time for the average fan to do that

      14. yassin says:

        On the flip side if the Merc’s start winning races won’t that allow Alonso and Kimi to catch up. Furthermore, at the halfway point we can expect DNF’s mistakes etc.

      15. Jake says:

        Short answer, No.
        If Merc regularly occupy the top places then even if Ferrari/Lotus finish ahead of Red Bull the difference in the points between the lower finishing positions is much less. This will make it very hard for Ferrari/Lotus to recover the deficit to Red Bull.

      16. yassin says:

        That is True to an extend, it also depends on how many DNF’s vettel gets.

      17. Paul Meyer says:

        James there is something wrong with your recent web pics. They seem pixilated, as if they are only half-res. Did you change anything in the way you prep/upload them recently?

        Apologies for informing you in this way, I couldn’t find another way to contact you.


      18. ruthvin says:

        u read my mind… vettel winning again jyust is too boring. he just doesnt get us fans exited anymore… its like the old schumi era wher i started rooting for montoya in the williams.. cause he entertained us..
        hope lotus gets their high speed sections right and beat vettel. ..
        ferrari has well deteriorated into a crappy team.. alonso looks demotivated…
        would love to see kimi at red bull. if he can keep seb behind in a lotus on old tires then he sure can beat him in a red bull

      19. Rob Newman says:

        AMEN to that.

      20. Lars Jespersen says:

        That might well be true, which is sad for the excitement of this year. Good to see Hamilton in a competitive car, however.

        Any comments on rumours that Danish Television put forward (with well known photographer Peter Nygaard as source), that Alonso had a meeting with Red Bull in Budapest ?

      21. James Allen says:

        My Italian colleagues say there is nothing in this

      22. Grant says:

        I would love for Alonso to go to Redbull….

        F1 is in desperate need of that sort of excitement.

      23. Witan says:

        There are pictures of Hamilton talking to Whitmarsh on the pit wall from one of the last couple of races, and he has been seen in their garage, so that shows he is about to go back to McLaren?

      24. Bart says:

        though a Ferrari (Alonso) fan, I do hope Mercedes complicate things a bit in the second half, even if it meant Alonso out of contention.

        Given how the last seasons unfolded in terms of car development, with Ferrari stuck in the 6th, Lotus missing firepower and RBR disappearing round the corner, Mercedes is the only hope.

        Lewis is massive 48 point down now but the next two races are Spa and Monza and we know just how quick he can be round there. Add to this Merc’s powerful engine and KERS, and the gap might go down to two dozens point… Anyway, it still would be extremely hard for him to get Vettel.

        James, is it only me or does Lewis looks much calmer than he used to be at McL? Maybe that PR work is that stressful…

        By the way, Alonso seems happy at Ferrari but quite unhappy about the car. I don’t thinks he’d go for RB.

        Been following you for some time and must say you always keep the standards high. Really a pleasure to read you!
        Cheers, Bart

      25. James Allen says:


        Ham looks a bit down, but he drove very well this weekend, one of his best I would say. He was helped by BUT holding up VET x 2 but he also was impressive in overtaking when he needed to.

        He’s had an up and down season, but this was top drawer

      26. victor says:

        sounds reasonable to me but a bit of webber luck fall on seb and things could can tighten up quite nicely fore ALO and KIMI

      27. John Bt says:

        So the result is WDC #4 for Vettel.

        James, don’t say that please! If Lewis takes the win at Spa I dare say he will be able to snatch it from Vettel. Not that I dislike Vettel at all. We all want a very close fight. I really don’t wanna feel a lull.

      28. Rockie says:

        Do you think Hamilton can put together 5 straight wins? because with Vettels consistency he would need that!

      29. Yak says:

        It seems Vettel’s headed for his fourth title, largely because no one else seems to be able to put in a solid challenge. Ferrari are flailing about again. Lotus put in some great races, but they always seems to start from around the middle of the 10, leaving them to fight through just to try make it to the podium. McLaren, who should be fighting for wins, are of course doing nothing of the sort this year. And Merc are kind of coming out of nowhere to be a contender for race wins, but with a bit of a rough start to the season. And while Hamilton looks to be the leader of the two, Rosberg certainly has his moments.

        So while everyone else fumbles about, and the Merc pair take points off each other, Vettel will just do his thing and take another title. While his 2011 title was a bit disappointing as a result of how tedious (albeit impressive) his domination was, this is looking to be disappointing for different reasons. He doesn’t necessarily have the all-conquering car, he hasn’t had a perfect start to the season… just no one else is putting up a competent and consistent enough challenge.

      30. Prashant P says:

        I think the other problem for the challengers is that there are more than one.

        Mathematically, they (RAI, ALO, etc) are going to keep taking points away from each other. i.e. They will swap positions from race to race. This makes it difficult to overtake someone like Vettel who a) has a points lead and b) a car which is likely to continue to be very fast.

        For Vettel to be threatened, it would have to be like previous years when there is one serious rival who is able to consistently finish in front of or just behind Vettel. Otherwise they’ll keep sharing the points and never really catch or pass him in the championship. And since the three main rivals are at different teams, team orders can’t help out either.

        As for the constructors, they might as well award that to Red Bull today – even on a bad weekend Mark Webber manages to finish 4th!

      31. All revved-up says:

        One possibility that will bring Kimi and Hamilton right into contention is a RB DNF mechanical failure.

        Vettel suffered just that at Silverstone.

        The engines at Hungary ran very hot. Wonder if RB need to use the engines again?

  22. Paige says:

    What we should really take away from this race is this:

    A bet on a Hamilton-Raikkonen 1-2 in the Hungarian Grand Prix is about as sure as it gets in F1, maybe in all of motorsports.

    1. KRB says:

      Haha, indeed. 2007, 2009, 2012, and now 2013. Kimi must be sick of following Lewis home in Hungary. Lewis can be called the HungaroKing (4 wins), and next up is Kimi’s race (King of Spa with 4 wins). The only current drivers with 4+ wins at any single Grand Prix.

    2. deancassady says:

      nothing, this day was anything like, ‘sure as it gets…’ the was the Schumacher era.

  23. SteveS says:

    James, any idea what the “fail 22″ message for Vettel and Webber was near the end? KERS problems perhaps?

    1. Laurence H says:

      Vettel’s KERS was working after the message according to the on-screen graphics. Would love to know what it meant too…

    2. Glennb says:

      It was telling the drivers that they had failed to prevent Lewis winning his 22nd GP ;)
      It would be odd if it was a KERS failure to BOTH cars at the same time but hey, it ‘is’ RBR. I think Ive heard it before though.
      Maybe a T-Shirt for the first correct guess :)

      1. Grant says:

        ‘They had failed to prevent Lewis winning his 22nd GP’


        Joke of the day!!!!!

    3. Yak says:

      I was wondering the same thing. The fact that it went out to both drivers at the same time make me think it wasn’t an actual failure on the car, but some sort of strategic code. Would seem a bit of bad luck to have the exact same fault occur simultaneously on both cars.

      At first I thought maybe it was basically a “Give up, hold position, cruise safely to the end” message, seeing as neither of them seemed to be able to move up any more places from where they were. But clearly Vettel didn’t back off, and then a few laps later they reminded Webber to keep pushing, as the Vettel/Raikkonen fight was getting a bit heated. So who knows…

      1. Grant says:

        ‘Multi 21′ was car-2 ahead of car-1.

        So this message probably meant that Webber mustn’t even think of challenging Seb.

        Hence Webber immediately stopped pushing.

      2. Andrew M says:

        I doubt Webber will be listening to any team orders from here on in…

      3. Yak says:

        Like I said though, a little while later we also heard a message to Webber encouraging him to keep pushing because the fight a few seconds in front of him was getting a bit heated.

        That doesn’t sound to me like backing off to just cruise to the finish.

        And as Andrew M said… it’s not like Webber’s going to listen to an order like that anyway.

    4. Tornillo Amarillo says:

      Maybe driver 2 (Webber) cannot get target P2 as planned, so he stopped pushing.

    5. Ron says:

      My theory on the ‘fail 22′ msg is that Webber’s strategy wasn’t going to work (to catch both Seb and Kimi). Car 2 (that is Webber) and strategy 2 (using the soft in the last stint), hence fail 22. Well, that’s just my theory…

  24. Steve B says:

    What a race, win.

    When did we last see a slower car win so decisively, with no lucky interaction from the climate or safety car ?

    Ever since his first race, stuffing Alonso into the first corner in Melbourne, Lewis has shown that he is the best racer, the best overtaker of his generation.

    Niki Lauda said today “He is the best I have ever seen”

    1. Nick Lynn says:

      Imperious overtaking – that’s why I love watching him race!

      1. Quade says:

        Yeah, when Lewis goes by, its like something produced by an orchestra.

        His race-craft today was excellent, it separated the men from the boys and gave him the win.

    2. Miha Bevc says:

      Slower car? Are you serious?

    3. deancassady says:

      maybe he’s not in the slowest car???

    4. Brad says:

      Hamilton had the fastest car today, did you watch an entirely different race than me???

    5. Tim says:

      to be fair, I am not sure it was a slower car!
      Mercedes were on pole and appeared to have the pace for the win although, JB holding up SV, made it a bit more comfortable :-)

    6. ruthvin says:

      hold ur guns .. he is just as good as alonso seb and kimi. schumacher himself told it.. these 4 are the best.. each in their own way…..

    7. PM says:

      No Lauda said “he was the best I have ever seen him”

      1. Methusalem says:

        Lauda also said, “Today, it’s not the car, the tyres, the weather or something else that won, but Lewis — he’s worth the money”

    8. victor says:

      people only think redbull was the faster car because vettel couldn’t pass button lol

    9. Simon Donald says:

      Is this related to why Webber didn’t cruise up behind Vettel near the end of the race.

      Near the end I thought webber on low fuel and fresh soft tyres would surely eat up the time but he didn’t

    10. SteveS says:

      “When did we last see a slower car win so decisively ..?”

      Hmmm, I’m not sure. We didn’t see it happen today though.

    11. Scott says:

      Slower car? Are you serious? Mercedes clearly have the fastest car currently. That doesn’t detract from Hamilton’s win, which was utterly convincing, but let’s be honest. They are not underdogs, they are clear championship contenders.

      1. Kbdavies says:

        Erm, Seb had the best 3 combined sectors in qualifying, and he said his car was good enough for pole but he wasn’t agressive enough.
        Vettel and Webber also had the 2 fastest laps of the race plus the fastest sectors: so please explain what metrics you have used to come to the conclusion that the Merc was the fastest car of the race.

  25. Ferrari, it seems, must have some very fundamental, stuctural or design issues that aren’t being seen from the outside and set-up efforts cannot address. Montezmolo (sp?) has really been out of the mainsream this year, unlike his frequent sound bites of “encouraement” to the Team last year. Or, maybe he just isn’t getting the media notice this time around. Alternatively, the ‘drama’ at Merc with Wolf and Lauda stirring the pot may simply be trumping for coverage?

  26. Michael S says:

    Kimi should have won this race… his poor qualy hurt him badly combined with the fact that Webber was unable to hold up Hamilton at all today. I can’t help but wonder if Webber was thinking “this otta hurt Seb” as he let Hamilton by within a 1/2 of lap.

    Good race over all considering the lack of passing and Hamilton is clearly the king of Hungary

    1. Kanman1 says:

      i disagree. It actually fortunate that Kimi started abit far back and went for 2 stoppers. Those in front of him except the pole sitter all ended up stuck behind traffic opting for 3 stoppers.

      Its always merc’s win in such narrow track if they could hang on to the tire in which they did.

      1. Antti says:

        I don’t think that’s the case. Grosjean certainly was on a 2-stop as well, his strategy only changed when he collided with Button and went to take new tires right after that in fear of tire damage.

      2. Kanman1 says:

        nope. Romain was on 3 stopper all along. He pitted to undercut Vettel earlier but failed.

    2. deancassady says:

      Grosjean should have won this race.
      Kimi did a great job, wrestling the package all weekend, a bit put out by the tire behaviour characteristics change of the new tires, because of the way he sets up the car, this is a major variable, and complicated to re-adjust.
      Romain had no such problems, it was easily his best driver that I’ve ever seen, and I thought it fair and very good.
      The application of penalties here put the objectivity of the governance in question, since Grosjean was on opposite sides of similar situations and came away with both of the penalties?
      That’s shouldn’t be right.

    3. Glennb says:

      Haha. I dont think Mark lets ‘anyone’ by. That overtake by Lewis on Mark was beautiful and I’m a Webber fan.

      1. KRB says:

        Beautiful driving by both! Both hard but fair racers, to the bone!! A pleasure to watch drivers who clearly live for the thrill to race hard wheel-to-wheel!

    4. SteveS says:

      That was Webber behaving the exact same way he has for the last four and a half years. It was very poor behavior from him, but not in any way new.

      There are pros and cons to having your team bankrolled by a single very rich fan. (Just ask Chelsea supporters) In any other team Webber would have been either disciplined or replaced long ago. But Mateschitz has his back so nothing ever happens to him.

      1. Mike J says:

        Adrian Newey has a hugh respect for Webber which goes against your statement.
        Fact is Webber is one of the most liked drivers in the paddock and in the RB team. Sure he is out spoken and stands his ground on issues which gets people offside (maybe like you?).
        I am sure Webber was concetrating on his own race let alone what Seb was doing at that time in the race.

      2. Joel says:

        If you are implying that Webber allowed Hamilton to pass, how can any serious follow or discuss with you?
        Perhaps ignore, I guess.

      3. Drew says:

        Can somebody make SteveS feel better and provide some more validation for his boy Seb? I can’t because i’m AUSTRALIAN…

    5. Colombia Concalvez says:

      Then Kimi should qualify better like his teammate did, it’s simple as that

      1. Kanman1 says:

        he will. He said that team found something in setup to make the new tire esp the front more compliance to Kimi liking.

    6. Quade says:

      Webber didn’t let Lewis by at all. Lewis was very clever both the times he overtook Webber; same corner, same backmarker circumstance, same outcome. Both times, Lewis went off the racing line, boxed Webber between himself and the backmarker which left Webber zero wriggle room. It was masterful driving tactics that forced Webber to accept the inevitable on both occasions.

      1. All revved-up says:

        Well put. Hamilton’s overtaking instincts (and Alonso’s) are a joy to watch.

    7. SaScha says:

      Kimi is too slow in qualifying to be a real threat

      1. Jake says:

        The 20 odd seconds gained from one less pit stop along with not having to pass as many cars on track puts him in contention for most GP’s

    8. victor says:

      dude webber didn’t let lewis pass he fought him the best he could but hiss tyres were way older so lewis had the advantage

  27. unF1nnished business says:

    Great race by Lewis and a well deserved victory! Interesting the high temperatures had little effect on the Mercs’ tires. It would appear their tire issues are more related to high-speed/corner circuits with higher loads than track temperatures.

    1. Yago says:

      They were super quick during the race at Silverstone so that argument doesn’t hold!

      1. unF1nnished business says:

        True. The pattern is very inconsistant…Fast and stable at Silverstone, yet at Nurburgring they ate their tires! And although they missed the YDT these ‘hybrid’ tires seem to suit Mercedes. Hmmmmm.

      2. Yago says:

        Certainly it is hard to understand. Perhaps, if Merc’s overheating problems are brake or exhaust related, hot conditions are better for them, because while their rivals overheating gets much worse due to the high temperatures, it probably does not get worse for Merc. So high temperatures just equal things. Then in cold conditions, Merc keeps overheating its rear tires but the others do not, so they fade away in the race.

        Recall Bahrein where Lewis was very quick the second part of the race, with no signs of extreme degradation compared to the rest.

        But I think it’s a combination of things, and even them don’t fully understand what is going on.

      3. Yago says:

        Or perhaps they just solved the problem, so we could have a fascinating second half of the championship!

  28. jeevan says:

    Hamilton finished a great drive today..

    Kimi was brilliant in defending of Vettel,who was on fresher tyres , with 15 laps..Vettel would not like it.. If Kimi would be in RBR next year, he can expect this all along..:):)

    But the 2 important points were :-
    1)Lewis did not explain much tyre probs maybe bcoz Hungaroring does not exert the same pressure on tyres as compared to Silverstone or Catalunya..And the new 2012 construction tyres which degrade less also helped Mercedes..
    2)Vettel would have passed Kimi in other circuits like Silverstone..Overtaking is definitely difficult here..(But not to take anything from Kimi’s brilliant defence against Vettel in closing stages)..

    On the whole, a great race :)

    1. Jean-Christophe says:

      The strategy would have been different on another circuit. They chose that strategy because they new that it would be difficult for a following car to overtake them.

    2. Steven says:

      Mercs were fast in Silverstone too. As far as your comment about Kimi and seb, would have, could have, should have. All they drivers drive the same track…

  29. AlexD says:

    I need to say I enjoyed the race. Hamilton impressed me today, excellent drive. He was on a mission today and he delivered. Kimi was another great driver, sadly he started too far back and was on a back foot the whole race. I did not expect him to finish second. Vettel also surprised me be it in a negative way. It was nit a bad drive, but I think it is clear…unless he starts P1 and launches a 2 sec advantage on the first lap, he is not a stand out driver, pretty much a same calibre to many great folks around.
    Grosjean….so he got the penalty for overtaking Massa? That is too harsh, it was such a great move!
    Ferrari can now freely focus on 2014, which became a new tradition. Ferrari fan speaking:-) congrats to all Hamilton fans:-)

    1. justafan says:

      I wouldn’t be so harsh on Vettel, he still did a better job than Alonso today and extended his championship lead fair and square while Alonso on the other hand was overtaken by Kimi in the standings. Hamilton was in his own league today, though. If he keeps on like this the title race is wide open.

      1. AlexD says:

        Read the article and rewatch the race, ferrari was a very poor car today. Alonso would have finished 6th if not for Grosjeans penalty. Alonso did the maximum. Vettel started 2nd and finished 3rd, while webber started 10th and finished 4th, just behind vettel. Think again.

      2. Rockie says:

        [mod] yes LH has won in other words everybody is out to play Webber was on an alternate strategy also James has corrected this notion earlier.
        Had this been spa or a wider circuit both Button and Kimi would have been toast!

      3. Yago says:

        The fact anyone can say VET did a better job than ALO in Hungaroring is beyond me. Try to review the whole weekend objectively. Right from Saturday, ALO outqualified a Lotus car and was little more than half a tenth away from a Merc. Then on sunday he was inch perfect, no peace on the long runs, but pulling away perfect laps when needed. See for example his two first sectors the lap after Grosjean pitted trying to do the undercut, so he managed to mantain position (by quite a marging because Romain was held up a bit in his out lap, but the job was perfectly executed). ALO got the absolute maximum from the car, what VET was far to achieve!

    2. SteveS says:

      “unless he starts P1 and launches a 2 sec advantage on the first lap, he is not a stand out driver”

      That’s the nature of the car, not the driver. The car and RB strategy are both designed around winning from the front. And Vettel does an excellent job with the equipment he has available. But if for any reason the car ends up in traffic, it lacks the outright speed to pull off effortless overtakes. Bottom line, it’s not remotely as good a car as the Vettel critics keep doggedly insisting it is. He just gets a lot out of it.

      1. AlexD says:

        I would not say that the same can be said about webbers car….but I think he is indeed drivi g a different one compared to Seb. Today he started 10th and finished just behind Vettel who started 2nd.

      2. Andrew says:

        Well we’ll only know that if he has the guts to let Raikkonen joint him at Red Bull won’t we.

        For what it’s worth I think he’s had comfortably the best overall car for the last 4 seasons and that Webber has declined badly in recent years.

        If they get Ricciardo then it just smacks of cowardice (with all respect to Ricciardo) and protecting the brat prince’s reputation.

      3. Rockie says:

        Is Vettel the one who recruits they have approached Raikkonen and left the ball in his court what is he meant to do beg Raikkonen to join? Based on qualy you still believe Raikkonen would beat Vettel?

      4. Jake says:

        The assumption that Ric will not challenge Seb is misguided. Seb’s standing will drop much further if he is beaten by Ric other than by Kimi. That makes Ric the riskier choice.

      5. Andrew says:

        Well it depends how much of their respective qualifying records are down to themselves and how much is the car. Kimi is normally quicker than Grosjean, who I don’t think is slow and was always fast in GP2.

        Is Massa the best starter in f1 or is it just that he drives the Ferrari?

        Does Perez look after his tyres the best or was it just that he was driving the Sauber?

        Even if Vettel were faster in qualifying I think that Kimi would tend to beat him in the races and end up with more points. Particularly so if Red Bull didn’t have a big advantage or actually wasn’t the best car as that would mean that they would be in traffic more and Vettel would be crashing into people.

  30. K says:

    Fastest car all year in qualifying, now the fastest car in the race too because of the new tyres.

    Boring race though, 6 at best.

    1. **Paul** says:

      Yup that sums it up.

    2. KRB says:

      Wasn’t the fastest car in the race (Webber and Vettel 1-2 for fastest lap) … instead it boiled down to Hamilton overtaking Button within a lap of exiting the pits, while the Vettel-Grosjean-Alonso train got held up behind Button for 12 laps.

      In those 12 laps, Hamilton extended his lead over Vettel from 2.7 secs (lap 12) to 12.3 secs (lap 24). That was the race victory in a nutshell.

      Alonso and Ferrari at times looked like they could do something, but they seemed to fall away in their last stints. Wonder if they were on used primes for that, and how old.

      Fastest race cars for Hungary: RBR, Merc, Lotus, Ferrari, McLaren.

      1. K says:

        Mercedes in clean air was the fastest car. RBR in clean air on same tyres could not match it, nor could Lotus or anyone.

        Hamilton was not even pushing and when Vettel put in a faster lap, Hamilton matched it straight away and beat it easily.

      2. KRB says:

        Umm, when both were in clean air, Vettel was able to reduce the gap to Hamilton. I haven’t checked the times on the FIA’s site, but you might be right that Hamilton was just managing the gap.

        Both Vettel and Hamilton said in the post-race interview that if Vettel was ahead he likely would’ve driven away.

      3. SteveS says:

        Fastest car in the race is not the car which does the fastest lap, it’s the car which does the fastest race: that is, the car which wins.

      4. Yago says:

        I agree on the Red Bull vs Mercedes thing (but not just from the fastest laps as that could be meaningles, but by watching the race times as a whole). However regarding Ferrari I do not fully agree. Ferrari was consistently slow compared to the front runners, both with the soft tires in the first stint and with mediums. Not like they were faster at the beginng. The perception could be misleading de to the train created by Button. Actually, Ferrari’s race pace was much closer the McLarens than to Red Bull, Lotus and Merc!

    3. Jean-Christophe says:

      Red Bull winning year in year out is not boring to you?

      1. K says:

        I said the race was boring, not Mercedes winning, read again.

  31. Kingszito says:

    What a race! I am glad Mercedes was able to manage their tyres in such high temperature circuit. I am glad that Lewis finally got his first win of the season in his new team. It seems that Mercedes has solved their rear tyre issues, and if that is the case then we will have some interesting qualifiers and races in the second part of the season. Well done Mercedes, well done Lewis!!

  32. Sami says:

    Lewis was on a class of his own today. Wonderful, wonderful race. A vindication of all the hard work and management from Ross Brawn and the wisdom and talent of Hamilton.

    Too many skeptics and philistines were laughing off the association between the man “…that could not save his tyres…” and the car “…that destroyed them…” Well under unbearable heat, the W04 driven by a mature, fast and cold headed driver pulled off victory in the most unlikely scenario of all.
    “going to Merc is the mistake of his life” the doomsayers said, Lewis certainly remembered that as he lapped Sergio Perez near the end of the race.
    If I were from Red Bull I would be worried.
    All this is wonderful news for the sport.

    1. Uh says:

      The Mercedes was a class on its own, any driver that had clean air like Hamilton would have won it easily.

      1. Paul says:

        What?! what about the pole lap Hamilton produced that enabled him to have the clean air?

        And the three impressive overtakes that he produced that meant he still had clean air?

        It wasn’t the clean air that won Hamilton the race, but Hamilton’s Ability today to stay in the clean air.

    2. Grant says:


      Like the ‘Oracle’ said, Lewis has made a BELIEVER out of me….

    3. KRB says:

      RBR still extended their lead in the WCC today, and Vettel still leads Lewis by nearly two race wins!

      Cast your mind to this time last year, when it looked like Hamilton could mount a title charge after his win in Hungary … we all know what happened afterwards. RBR and Vettel still firmly in the catbird seat.

      1. Sami says:

        Was Lewis racing for Merc last year? ;)

      2. Andrewinwork says:

        Actually we saw McLaren foul up LH’s attempt

      3. Kingszito says:

        I hope you didn’t forget that Alonso was leading the championship after Hungary last year with a very good margin, and you know what happened! Beating Vettel this season by any driver would be very tough but it’s doable!

      4. KRB says:

        Ok, but Alonso/Ferrari up 40 pts in 2012 isn’t the same as Vettel/RBR up by a similar margin in 2013. Alonso’s lead in 2012 was more a “false” position than Vettel’s lead in 2013, given the strength of their respective cars.

        Erasing a 58 pts deficit would be the greatest ever comeback in F1 history. It ain’t likely.

      5. Kingszito says:

        It’s 48 points now not 58 points any more, you can see that the onslaught to Vettel’s points have already begun!

      6. victor says:

        hamilton lost the championship because his car broke down 4 times last year while he was leading
        and also one time when a williams hit him

      7. Rockie says:

        His car broke down twice when leading correction.

      8. Torchwood Five says:

        Hulkenberg took Lewis out in Brazil too, though the championship had been lost by then.

    4. Witan says:

      Hamilton did a Kimi and told the team not to bother him with instructions as he was ‘need to stay focussed’.

  33. David C says:

    Great win by LH but it was way too difficult to pass which made the race a little boring. SV being stuck behind JB was where it was won and lost. Cant wait for SPA as its the best race of the year for me.

    1. Dan says:

      Ow the irony.

      “Way to difficult to pass”

      As proved by Lewis throughout the race…

      1. K says:

        With new tyres in DRS zone against Button that was on old tyres and with Webber also on old tyres with Hamilton on new tyres… was more artificial than my grandmas teeth.

      2. victor says:

        if it was so easy why couldn’t vettel

      3. Dan says:

        Yeah ok…. Because Vettel wasn’t on even newere tyres tyres with Button on even older tyres.

        Lewis was unbelievable yesterday, no one could match his quality.

      4. Kingszito says:

        Vettel couldn’t pass Kimi who was on 14 lap older tyres! Taking anything away from Lewis’ overtake is completely nonsense because Vettel couldn’t overtake JB on the same set of tyres when Lewis did, but on Vettel’s case JB’s tyres was +2 laps older when Vettel couldn’t. Lewis was awesome yesterday, Lewis, Kimi, Vettel, webber, Grosjean and JB made the race very entertaining!

      5. David C says:

        Lewis was great and made some great passes, but everyone else had a really hard time and at times it seemed processional but lewis is 100% drive of the day

    2. Tim says:

      In what way was the race won and lost when SV was stuck behind JB? LH was in front of SV at the time, and if SV couldn’t get past JB how was he hoping to overtake LH? It made the win more comfortable, but it did not facilitate it.
      LH had the legs on SV, make all the excuses you want, but that was the reality today.

      1. Kingszito says:

        @Tim you are right on point. If Seb wasn’t able to overtake Kimi who was on 14 laps older tyers or overtake Button, then how would you argue that he could have overtaken Lewis even if he was right behind him. The only thing that gave Lewis the win was his overtaking abilities, period! Three perfect overtaking manoeuvres executed at the perfect times! You can call this race anything but it was not boring.

      2. David C says:

        I’m not making an excuse, the red bull isn’t fast in a straight line like the merc that’s a characteristic of the car the same way it is fast around the corners and generally overall fastest it can be hard for it to pull off DRS assisted passes. Without the damage which occurred while SV was behind JB the redbull was faster all weekend, even with the damage in clean air the redbull was marginally faster. With that advantage and the fact the redbull was easier on the tyres they could have made a very aggressive undercut and gotten away with it.
        But don’t get me wrong it’s SVs fault he clipped JBs tyre and RBRs decision to run the car in such a way as it is difficult to overtake so its not an excuse, a lot of cars had problems overtaking too. My first sentence was great win by Lewis and I’ll stick with that

  34. SaScha says:

    Hamilton dominated this race with class & style. he thought a lesson to every other driver today & even Ross Brawn ( who saw a lot fast drivers) was taken aback from Hamiltons speed this weekend!
    I know what the ones of sir Jackie Steawrt and many others eat tonight:
    Humble pie!

    1. K says:

      And he had the fastest car in clean air.

      1. Kingszito says:

        Because he drove awesomely to put himself in the clean air! Don’t forget unlike Vettel he was able to free himself from Button and from Webber twice to run in the “clean air”

    2. Thread the Needle says:

      Ross Brawn convinced Hamilton to move to Mercedes, he knew exactly what type of driver he was getting and Lewis proofed it today

      Your right about the Humble pie

  35. Miha Bevc says:

    With Mercedes clearly the fastest car on saturday and now also good with tyre management on sunday, this season is really getting interesting. They could even dominate the second part of the season. Surely they can challenge for WCC at least.

    Red Bull did some wrong calls today I think, Kimi really needs to qualify better and Alonso… well, this year is getting tougher and tougher. But Ferrari have a big update for Spa, right?

  36. David Hope says:

    Really enjoyed the race, great drives from Lewis and Kimi. Shame for Grosjean, bit of bad luck today – though maybe with button was his own fault.

    The great Ricciardo finished behind his teammate yet again. Surely that guy can’t go to Red Bull

    1. Alexander Supertramp says:

      Kimi for RB!

    2. Mike J says:

      There are a number of reasons why Ricciardo had a poor GP. The main being the strategy that TR had him on plus he had the slowest first pit stop(bar one) of all the stops during the race.
      He was jumped by two cars in his first slow stop and then had to do 28 and 32! laps on the harder compounds. Vergne was on the normal 3 stopper and cruised past a defenceless DR late in race.
      Interesting to note that RB released info on Dan saying that in the same car setup with Seb at YDT, DR was 0.2sec quicker, albeit on different days. ‘This guy’ deserves a bit more respect and i think RB already have made their mind up on him for RB next year.

  37. Goob says:

    I can see Button switching to Mercedes… its the only way he can maintain his career now.

    At least he has been exposed for what he really is… only the double diffuser won the WDC in 2009. Let there be no doubt.

    1. Tim says:

      I agree with your comments about the 2009 WDC – but why would Mercedes want Button?

    2. Methusalem says:

      Button betrayed R. Brawn after 2009, now it’s payback time!

      1. Doug says:

        100% the wrong way round. Brawn went back on a gentlemans agreement made with Button, so Button left the team.
        Button had a great drive today, along with Lewis a top contender for DOTD..why are people suddenly having a crack at him?…if McLaren had a car as good as Red Bull I think he’d be leading the championship…as would Alonso, Kimi or Lewis!

      2. nicolas nogaret says:

        button would have signed another contract with brawn long before , but brawn wasn’t allowed to do that by his new bosses as they sorted out the germanisation of the team …when button had a chance at McLaren he therefore jumped at it , lewis or not

      3. Peter C says:

        Yes, of course. Button would only have needed to hang around Ross Brawn for four years…….& he could have been winning in a Mercedes today!

      4. Torchwood Five says:


        Once Brawn GP and Mercedes decide they want an all German lineup, and don’t want Button, which at the time amazed me, I don’t know if you can call that Brawn going back on an agreement.

        Ross was the ultimate decision maker when he rescued the team and put his name on it, but that was not the case once it became Mercedes.

        Elsewhere, because I keep forgetting to say it, on the birds eye view of the Grosjean / Button collision, it looked to me like Jenson was half off the track following the Vettel, pass, and came back on the track to collide with Grosjean, not Grosjean hitting him. Being too fast to take the corner was the only error I saw that day.

    3. bowserMario says:

      Hell no… Butto just has to enjoy his McLaren’s career now! Leave Lewis alone away from politics and poisonous atmosphere!

  38. deancassady says:

    Lewis drove a great race, there is no doubt that it was a performance worthy of victory. Yet this victory is tainted by the confirmation that the entire tiregate scandal has enabled Mercedes to leapfrog to the front of the pack, in terms of machinery.
    And then there is Lewis!
    He has a clearly defined pattern of winning the most races while in the best machinery; I have little doubt that he will do this again, if in the best machinery.
    It will nonetheless not be easy to defeat the Red Bull packages.

    Of Grosjean, I have been skeptical in the past, of this driver, his status at the team, his pattern of crashes, etc. However, from my viewing of coverage available, and I did by no means, see it all, it looked like the best package at the 2013 Hungarian F1 Grand Prix, was the Grosjean-Lotus package. He was as smooth as silk, flowing around the circuit, his confidence was high, and his execution was superb. In contrast, Kimi never seemed comfortable, in a flowing rhythm, closer to as Alonso drove it.
    The drive-through penalty was absurd!
    If anything, Massa should have got the penalty for not leaving enough room! Wasn’t it this season that we’ve already been through some kind of supposed clampdown on not leaving enough room?
    How soon forgotten.
    If Grosjean had lawfully stayed inside the line, then there would have been a crash, through no fault of Grosjean, but it would be extremely likely that the blame would have been easily assigned to Grosjean; a lose-lose-lose scenario, so it would seem. So Grosjean had that to pick from, and he picked the best course available to him, and he should not have a penalty for that technical infringement.
    Massa should get a penalty, for not leaving enough room, whether he intended it or not.
    The Jenson thing was a bit more of what I would describe as shared blame, and I think Jenson would agree that it was within the a sharing that is… perhaps … a racing incident?
    Regardless, it seems penalizing him for one should be inconsistent with penalizing him for both.
    Besides the somewhat bizarre application pattern of penalties, Grosjean was on the trajectory to definitely challenge for the victory, with a significant probability of victory.
    I am hoping the Grosjean doesn’t get absurdly punished again, and that he can maintain his balance, because it really looked like he drove a great, clean, fair, fast race to me. And I enjoy seeing great, clean, fair, fast drives! The more the better. He’s really stepping up to the challenge of being paired with the fastest driver.
    But back to Lewy; great to see you on your game, great drive, great fun seeing it, especially, of course, the continuation of the pattern of spectacular clutch passes, the ultimate mark of a true champion.

    1. Chris Ralph says:

      Agree with you re GRO Mr Cassady I thought he looked full of promise. He has his act together now and had it not been for the dubious call (reputation hangs on) would have been a player. Interesting to see him for the rest of the year, he certainly seems to be at one with the beautifully handling Lotus more than Kimi who wrenches it around the track.
      Had picked GRO for the win in the local tipping contest, bummer! Picked VET ahead of RAI in 2/3, almost made it, but got 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th and pole so a happy time on the couch.
      Think the Mercs will rule at Spa…

      1. Kimi rules Spa, he is the king there, and my favourite for Spa, always.

  39. Srinivas says:

    I am glad that many here look at the race in depth rather than making superficial comments unlike other websites.

    Sebastian could not have done much more. Last year alone there were only 6 on track overtakings making it as difficult as Monaco. Here at Hungaroring overtaking is only possible in sector 1 especially along short straights and everyone knows that straight line speed is not a forte of Redbull.

    Lewis was just lucky. We dont know if he was actually pushing as Seb was doing in cananda, but other factors just played into their hands.
    Had Seb been on his tail, his tyres would have definetly overheated.

    Rosberg’s thrid DNF is unimaginable.

    Ferrari just dont know what to do to make their car superior. Lotus might steal second in constructors if they continue this form.

    1. SaScha says:

      Hamilton was not lucky,he was simply better today. His racecraft was better than Vettels therfore he was able to overtake Button & Webber fast, while Vettel stuck behind slower cars

    2. trev says:

      ‘I am glad that many here look at the race in depth rather than making superficial comments unlike other websites.’

      then a few lines later

      ‘Lewis was just lucky’

      Hamilton’s overtakes on Webber were just pure instinct and class

    3. krischar says:

      Not really srinivas

      Vettel had the fastest package overall for the weekend from start to finish

      Yet lewis denied him pole with brilliant lap on saturday and then converted the pole into race victory something that mercedes craves for.

      Lewis drove a blinder, Vettel was simply not able to pass the slower Mclaren in front him. Vettel drove ragged and looked rusty through out the race

      Lewis delivered with decent package (Better than Lotus and ferrari not quicker than RBR though). Whereas vettel simply failed and not capable enough to pull off the victory from 2nd on the Grid with superior package

      This is another classic example which clearly reflects the gulf in class between Lewis and vetttel

      1. bowserMario says:

        My eyes are bleeding! +1
        I’ve noticed that everytime someone passes a positive or nice comment on what’s Lewis Hamilton doing, here’s come the usual ‘he was lucky-he crashes-he has no focus- and so on…
        Come on, Sunday ‘s race was probably one of the best races ever with Kimi/Seb fighting for P2 too. we need a revival for this championship!
        Fans & F1 want more action & spectacle on track!
        Also bored with the fact people keep bringing the Test gate story. Mercedes people are working their azz off since last year, they didn’t sit and watched other Teams improving… Thy deserved finally some good results (new tech structure, resources, pumping money and new top driver) regardless of what happened between them, Pirelli & FIA

  40. Anthony says:

    I wonder where all those who were critical of Hamilton’s move to Mercedes (and him personally) have gone.

    Right decision, right time, amazing driving.

    1. SayWhat says:

      Oh, don’t you worry, they’re around, lurking, circling like sharks, just waiting for him to make the slightest mistake so they can pounce. Today, after a flawless drive, the best they could come up with was that he talked with a funny accent SMH.

      Times change, some people don’t.

    2. Doug says:

      I’ll hold my hand up. I’m a LH fan & thought he’d made a big mistake going to Merc.
      I sit here eating my hat & a generous helping of humble pie.
      I’m really pleased for Lewis though & thought he drove a great race with some superb overtaking moves.

  41. Vantro says:

    Lewis should without a doubt have recieved a penalty for pushing Webber off the track. In 2012 Vettel received a penalty for doing something similar to Alonso at Monza. In addition Webber was actually a little it a head of Hamiliton when he was pushed off the track.

    It is really no consistency in the penalties!!

    1. Vantro says:

      Grosjean received a penalty for not leaving room for Button. Grosjean in front of Button when the incident happend. Why no penalty for Hamilton? Only reason there was no clash between Webber an Hamilton was because Webber drove off the track. Webber could rightfully have kept his car on the track, but then it would have been a clash and it would have been Hamiltons fault.

      1. John T says:

        No. Grosjean was penalised for the Massa incident. 4 wheels off the track. Stupid penalty given how often this happens and is never penalised.

      2. jooon says:

        “Grosjean handed 20-second post-race penalty for Button clash”


        Hamilton should get the same penalty!

      3. trev says:

        courtesy of Steven Daly on the Guardian forum who is more articulate than me.

        ‘Webber tried to stay come back passed Hamilton, failed and went of the track. No advantage, no penalty. Hamilton did nothing wrong he had the apex.

        Grosjean overtook by going off the circuit. Advantage, penalty’

  42. Dan says:

    Absolute faultless and exceptional drive from Lewis.

    People will look at Vettel getting stuck behind Button as a reason, but would Vettel have been able to pass Lewis? I dunno.

    And lets please not underestimate the difference Lewis is making. Last year Rosberg was comfortably ahead of Schuey, so without Lewis, they would have had 3rd place and say less in Qualy and absolute no chance of the win.

    I just hope we have seen a sample of the rest of the season today, great competitive racing from top 3 teams.
    There isn’t much in it.

    1. Frique says:

      Ask Kimi how hard it is to pass Lewis in Hungary. The 4 times Lewis won it Kimi came second and I have no doubt that Kimi employed lessons learned from Lewis when defending against Seb today. Not to mention that the Redbull is set up get out in front and run away. His biggest challenge today was overheating in the slipstream of Button.

  43. Dan says:

    Grosjean leaves track to avoid a collision with Massa= Grosjean gets a penalty

    Button doesn’t leave track and causes a collision after losing track position= Grosjean gets penalty.

    Is this right?

    1. Harshad says:

      Penalty for move on Massa was harsh, even Massa said it!!

      If you watch the move on Button, you need to observe the fact that Grosjean moved to left misjudging the track width which resulted in a collision.
      Grosjean was driving on middle line, Button on the left, but then Grosjean moves to the left causing a contact, which was avoidable and hence the penalty.

    2. Antti says:

      Not to say that I necessarily agree with the penalties (though the pass on Massa was completed off the track, so for the sake of consistency and letter of the rules, penalty was warranted), but Grosjean is the one who initiated the move in both cases and thus should carry more responsibility in making sure the move can be carried out safely and on-track.

  44. Grant says:

    Gotta agree with you there mate, can’t see anyone out there that’s better than him.

    Alonso comes very close.

  45. Elie says:

    That was a fantastic race. It had everything you could want in a GP on circuit like that.
    I think many people forget that Seb had some minor front wing damage earlier on and the ‘fail 22′ message- surely could not have been a great sign.
    All my expectations of Lewis are falling exactly as predicted-by mid season – he would be dominating-I think the Silver Arrows have just laid a line in the sand-here they come people. Red Bull will still be hard to beat but they will have a fight at least every race now
    As for Kimi- Has there ever been a smarter racer in F1 ??- Even from his disappointed grid positions he always comes through. He gave Seb a driving lesson in that last stint.
    Whilst Lewis passes were impressive in that ballistic Merc, Kimi’s passes on 20+ laps tyres in the middle stint were crisp and smooth. Disappointed only by the lack of live coverage of those moves!
    Gotta say Grosjean was a little hard done by-but I still find him very strange-when he is in a tough spot to pass he throws the kitchen sink at it and when hes attacking down a straight in a 50/50 shot into a braking zone he is more tentative. His driving is an enigma wheres Kimi its his personality compared to his racing.lol

    Next Spa..Help us James I cant take the 25 day wait !

    1. James Allen says:

      Don’t worry plenty of cool content on its way

      1. Doug says:

        Thanks James…I’ve been dreading the thought of the break as well!

      2. Stigs says:

        Could you plz add sector times to the laptimes in your FP1-3/Q reports? Would also like a pre-race prediction from you on sunday :). Keep up the good work!

    2. Quade says:

      Got to agree about the poor coverage of overtakes in F1. Its either they’re missed altogether or someone has the bright idea that in-car shots help describe wheel to wheel action better. Poor coverage of close action just steals a lot of the excitement from the race.

    3. Antti says:

      I would’ve loved to see Kimi’s pass on Perez, just because of their history together earlier this season. I guess the American broadcast was on ad break then (like during half the race, sigh.)

  46. Miha Bevc says:

    James, how is it possible Mercedes caught everybody by surprise with their tyre wear? Is it possible they tires lasted only because it was a slow circuit? Are their issues more circuit related than heat related? Have they solved their tyre issues for good? Do you know something?

    1. Simon Donald says:

      My understanding is that the tyre wear Mercedes were having was a combination of both loading of the tyre and thermal degradation combined. Although temperatures were high at Hungary the speeds are lower so less loading, unlike Spain this year high temperatures and high loadings and we know how that ended up for them.

      With this revised compound maybe they can handle a bit more heat and loadings with the upcoming races and compound choices maybe they will be ok in Spa and Monza but Singapore could be a struggle (super soft and high traction)

    2. Grant says:

      Why are you so worried.

      Merc’s tyre problems can’t last forever and ever.

      1. Miha Bevc says:

        I’m worried because I cheer for Vettel :)
        I hope Red Bull are worried too…

  47. Valentino from montreal says:

    Mercedes can only win on tracks that have no real oppertunity to pass …

    Funny that it’s only Rosberg who’s driving the faulty Mercedes this time around , just like it was funny during Schumacher’s 3 years while getting all the technical DNF’s ..

    It’s a conspiracy !!

    Oh and I heard that Alonso has made his manager demand an urgent meeting with Red Bull ..

    What’s a matter Fernando ? I thought you would end your career with the ” world’s best team ” , Ferrari ..

    1. SaScha says:

      Rosberg should have left a bigger gap to Massa . He was driving within 1sec of him for much laps wich made it difficult to not overheat the car.Vettel got several warnings from his team when he run too close behind Button or Kimi for too long, because the engine temps got too high!

    2. justafan says:

      I have to say I’m disappointed wit Ferdy. I was hoping he had Schumachersque talent in bringing Ferrari to the front, however he simply seems to be just one of those drivers who are simply opting to jump ship when the going gets tough. Ferrari deserves better than this!

    3. Tim says:

      @ Val
      Mercedes can only win on tracks that have no real oppertunity to pass … (sic)

      Really, Lewis Hamilton didn’t seem to have any trouble ;-)

      1. Elie says:

        And Kimi on tyres more than 20 laps used !

    4. Tornillo Amarillo says:

      We have to learn to win and to lose, both.

      Today Hamilton won, là-là.

    5. Elie says:

      Both Lewis and Kimi passed more than once and Lewis was able to pull away- sure it will be tough on high corner energy circuits like spa – but I think Merc have “turned the corner” with these tyres and will only get stronger… Lewis Lewis, Lewis.. Lol enjoy Val :)

    6. Jake says:

      Mercedes goal for this year, stated very clearly at start of the season was to finish at least third in the constructors championship. Nothing they have done would indicate that goal has changed. If they can get close to the drivers championship that would be a bonus but it’s not their main priority. With this in mind please explain why they would sabotage Nico.

  48. Glennb says:

    Congrats to all the HAM fans. A nice drive and a well deserved pole > win. It never looked in doubt.
    Great recovery drive from Webber too. He made up 2 legitimate places off the start and inherited 1 from memory. Way better than normal ;)
    I was impressed with Romains drive too. He made a few mistakes but he sure is fast when he gets his head down. Definately a winner in the future.
    Good to see Kimi put Seb in his place too. Defensive yet fair I thought in the closing stages.
    Seb was ordinary and never really came to grips with not leading the race from the get-go. Stuck behind JB for too long but that’s motor racing in a slow top-speed car.
    Did Alonso turn up?
    Well done Williams with a point.
    DOtD=Webber. 10th to 4th on merit.

  49. f1kings says:

    What can I say this is what Lewis Hamilton do week in week out. And still today people do not know who we are and who we be and what doors we go in and out of on a daily. The extra steps we must take to be in the position we are. And yet our character is constantly under attack. What accent was he, speaking American are English is the crazy garbage that I’m talking about. Great weekend of work Lewis Hamilton a win you truly deserve Mate see you on the other side of the summer vacation…

    1. Frique says:


    2. Tornillo Amarillo says:

      I think he thought for a moment in his hip-hop rehearsal in L.A. and that’s why, nothing serious.

    3. Grant says:


      No matter what they say….

  50. Tom says:

    So who’s still laughing at Lewis for moving on to Mercedes?

    1. K says:

      Hold the champagne, the season isn’t over yet.

      1. Rockie says:

        Thats the modus operandi of Hamilton fans once he has a one off performance thats it until he’s late season meltdown happens.

      2. Frique says:

        I notice every time Lewis surpasses one of his detractors marker they create another one.

        First it was ….fighting in the midfield….

        Next up…..out-qualify Nico……..

        Then……Pole positions vs Nico……

        Also…….No wins……

        And now? …..Season?

        The thing is; if Lewis had said he would have more points in 2013 than 2012 by mid season you would have called for him to be section.

        And guess what? I would have driven the van to collect him. So please give credit where it is due he is having an incredible season by any measure!

      3. Kbdavies says:

        very well said.

      4. bowserMario says:


  51. dazzle says:

    A good race, great to see LH win for his new team, this will settle some Of his nerves and perhaps motivate him in the second phase of the season

  52. eetFrog says:


  53. Tornillo Amarillo says:


    is it really the first original trophy for a Win that Lewis will keep for himself considering McLaren kept all of them?

    1. j says:

      Good question.

    2. Grant says:


      But Lewis started from the bottom now he’s here.

      So he wouldn’t mind starting all over again.

  54. Andrew Woodruff says:

    It was a strange race – battle never really joined at the front because of the Button road block, which was a shame. Still, I agree with the points made above, that (a) Hamilton showed superior skill in getting through the traffic, and (b) the Red Bull’s lack of pure straight line speed really hurts it when it isn’t out in front. Having said that, Vettel doesn’t need to take the same overtaking risks given the championship situation.

    I’m not a Grosjean fan, but he absolutely should not have been punished for the move on Massa – it was a great overtake. The incident with Button was complicated by the fact he couldn’t give the place back because the Ferrari got past as well, and then Button pitted. In terms of the contact itself, I would put slightly more blame on Button, but I hope there is no further action for either driver for what was really a nothing incident.

  55. Rob Newman says:

    Grosjeans’s incident with Button was a racing incident. Why was he penalised? Alonso breached the DRS rule THREE times and still got away with a slap on the wrist. Is this fair?

    1. Grant says:

      The Rosberg Massa incident looked very similar to thid one…

  56. Aaron Noronha says:

    There is a news out on autosport that Alonso may be heading to Redbull for 2014

    1. DanAbnormal says:

      RAI/HUL for the Scuderia in 2014?

    2. Truth or Lies says:

      Yes indeed, though its hard to see that happening, then again he did leave McLaren for a rather fruitless return to Renault in 2008.

      Alonso is starting to resemble a driver with great potential who’s wasting (mostly through no fault of his own) the best years of his career in under performing cars.

      Despite all the positive sounds week in week out, season after season from Ferrari, not since Massa dominated the 2008 Brazilian GP and much of that championship with six wins have Ferrari performed consistently like a team capable of winning a world championship, in the way that Red Bull have. Alonso has been left down badly by the team and at some point everything takes its toll.

      Nonetheless I struggle to see this particular constellation lining up, but stranger things have happened. Schumacher to Mercedes comes to mind. Alonso is a racer after all, determined, focused and above all selfish – that’s not criticism – merely a fact, all the best ones are, surely even he must be just a little intrigued at the notion of driving for such a winning team.

    3. justafan says:

      That’s what he’s trying but he would be in breach of contract if Ferrari hold him to the signing. However that would not be a problem if Monte decides he’s had enough of Alonso and signs Vettel instead. Interesting times ahead.

  57. Chris J says:

    My DotD Jenson Button! Keeping Vettel behind for 12 laps!!! Lewis owes him a beer! Great race today! Grosjean did not deserve a drive through, think the stewards have it in for him. Great win for Lewis, nice to see Ross on the podium :)

  58. Richard says:

    Oh yes! Give Hamilton the car and set up, and he’ll produce the win. There are fast drivers and then there is Lewis Hamilton. I hope Mercedes can consitently give him the vehicle (no pun intended) to challenge for the championship. – He deserves it.

    1. j says:

      It’s not a “lottery” when your driver starts doing well is it?

      1. Richard says:

        Let’s be clear. Lewis Hamilton is British and he is a top draw driver capable of quite astounding overtaking moves, and as I say give him the equipment and he’ll produce the win. I do not like high degradation tyres as they kerb spirited driving. This weekend Mercedes got it right for Lewis and I hope they continue to do so. Because Lewis was on a three stop strategy we saw more of the old Lewis and he simply drove the wheels off the thing.

  59. Methusalem says:

    Is the Alonso Red Bull connection serious? If so, how many different teams would Alonso like to drive for? Ferrari should punish its untrustworthy driver.

    1. All revved-up says:

      I think Alonso is sending a stern message to Ferrari’s management.

      Perhaps some Ferrari heads will roll after this. So that James Alison has the freedom to do good work.

      Makes no sense for Alonso to think that RB will be a better car than Ferrari in 2014. In fact, if Mercedes push RB to the wire, Ferrari will have a head start with 2014 car development.

    2. Fireman says:

      Judging by Horner’s interview expressions, it’s not.

  60. Rach says:

    Really enjoyed the race today. The way the tyres were for this race is exactly as they should be. The result was we had overtakes by Hamilton and Grosjean (he should not have been penalised) that made us go WOW!

    Great job by Pirelli and also Mercedes/Hamilton.

    1. SimoneL says:

      +1. Thought the Pirelli’s (both the durability and variance between options and primes) were the best all season.

  61. Sufyaan Patel says:

    Think about how close Kimi would be to Seb if he Perez didnt run into the back of him in Monaco, if his team didnt make that huge strategy error in Silverstone and that unfortunate pitstop in Canada?

    If I recall correctly, he was in P2 at the time in Silverstone and P5 or P6 in the other two races. Not saying thats where he would have finisihed, but wouldve been a good points haul….. and closer to Seb.

    Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Just hoping the chasing pack can mount a challenge on Seb whilst on his way to WDC no. 4. Not that I dislike Seb, think he’s a great guy :)

    1. All revved-up says:

      I think either Hamilton or Kimi or both have a good chance to close the gap to Vettel. If either or both of them can get to within 15 points, then Brazil should be another interesting race.

      Hamilton needs 3 more wins. Kimi needs to finish 5 more races ahead of Vettel.

      Nice to again see 3 WDC on the podium.

      1. Rockie says:

        Thats assuming this trend would continue.

      2. Sufyaan Patel says:

        Only problem is, the RBR is better than both of their cars. But if like yesterday, Vettel has a few issues/traffic and both Kimi/Lewis steal points off him, they may have a chance to close in. On the plus side, Romain seems to be upping his game recently so maybe he could possible cause a few ‘issues’ for Seb to worry about ;)

      3. KRB says:

        While of course the combinations are possible with Hamilton only winning 3 more races, I think to mount a serious challenge he would have to win 5-6 of the remaining 9 races. And he would need Rosberg scoring big points as well, to deny them to Vettel.

        Vettel so far has not finished worse than 4th in any race. Hamilton, when he’s scored, has always been in the top 5 (there was that nightmare result in Spain, P2 to P12). Really, a DNF for Vettel is probably needed to tighten the race up some. Hamilton hasn’t DNF’d this season so far. Last season he always DNF’d in the next race after a victory.

      4. Kbdavies says:

        He DNF’d in Silverstone

  62. John Wainwright says:

    Really enjoyed today’s race. I’ve always liked the Hungary GP since Damon’s ill-lucked Arrows drive. It was great to Lewis drive to his best…sometimes he can be the most frustrating driver to support and after seeing his rather downbeat interviews over FP1,2,3 and quali’, I feared the worst.

    Kimi was, well Kimi really. Solid and reliable and living up to his Iceman legend.

    Must admit to having a soft spot for Grojean. At his core he is a very fast driver but unfortunately has yet to develop any great situational awareness. Maybe he will if Lotus give him time. He’s reminds me of a spaniel puppy…all happy and eager but somewhat erratic!!

    Was most amused by Sebastian’s response to the BBC’s question about the possible arrival of Fernando at RB. Would certainly make great viewing for the fans.

  63. Thread the Needle says:

    Really enjoyed the race, this is what F1 should be like, not the tyre saving championship we have had so far

    Great victory for Lewis and Mercedes

    Hopefully some great battles to come between Vettel, Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton

    Grosjean unlucky with the penalty for going off track.

  64. Grant says:


  65. IP says:


    How much of McLaren and Ferrari’s problems come down to Toyota’s wind tunnel?

    1. James Allen says:

      I don’t think that’s at fault – their own tunnels have been a problem and Toyota is filling a gap

      I think Ferrari has lost confidence, McLaren looks like it’s regaining it

      1. Frique says:

        What about their suspension system? Do they not both have the same Pull-Rod system?

      2. AlexD says:

        I think Ferrari is in a bigger trouble for 2014 and maybe this is why Alonso is trying to put himself in a position where he will be able to challenge for the title. Alonso always wanted to win 3 titles and I think he knows he has another 2-3 years to try and do it. Is Ferrari the right team to achieve it? Maybe Red Bull or Mercedes? I think he really has a dilemma. I would assume that he might have a clause in his contract that would allow him to terminate his contract if the team is not going to perform at a certain level. Have no clue, but I would assume that this empty Red Bull seat for next is really tempting…

  66. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    Good for Pirelli finally, not explosions, 2 or 3 stops, nobody talking about tyres, well done, I hope.

    1. Grant says:

      Drivers pushing throughout the race, and the tyres doing their intended work.

      Such a joy to see.

  67. lots of good posts here but i can’t help feel that mercedes foxed everyone. all their protestations re tyres were just so much empty rhetoric.

    they were on top of the tyre issues from quali onwards. hamiltons ‘miracle’ comment was designed to make people believe that they were lucky!!!

    this doesn’t detract from hamiltons drive at all. he drove well and he called the shots. for me, the vettel ‘shut out’ by raikonnen was sweet, made even sweeter by vettel’s anguished call for charlie whiting to intervene?

    vying for driver of the day was webber who has been overlooked by many. his drive was a sterling effort considering the impossible situation he was placed in pre race start. the overtake by hamilton was inevitable as the tyres on webbers car were not up to it and the mercedes was overpowering.

    not a bad race at all and it showed that vettel does have something in common with schumacher, ‘a glass jaw’.

  68. mhilgtx says:

    Congrats to Lewis Hamilton and Ross Braun what a race what a good job setting up the car. Truly excited for what they have accomplished too bad Ross is moving on soon, maybe he will be Bernie’s replacement.

    Ferrari and Alonso breaks rules has no punishment uses DRS 3 times illegally. FIA lears Ferrari left DRS in manual mode so Alonso can open it whenever he wants. FIA rules that it is not a big deal and fines them 15K Euros. 15K Euros for a team that spends almost a billion a year. That will teach them, they will have to let the Jet coast a few minutes on the way home to pay for it.

    Romain Grosjean does not break rules and has punishment. The US broadcast guys said that if the FIA was going to call that a penalty then RG might want to consider retiring because obviously someone did not want him racing.

    Vettel loses KERS and small part of front wing finishes 3rd and people say he: can’t drive, can’t overtake, has an inferior car, a superior car, KERS issues only happen to Webber the list goes on.

    On the RJ deal the US broadcast showed it a few times, but they might not have had all the angles FIA had. But that was pretty ticky tack. Hobbes said if anyone should have been penalized on the Button incident it was Button but he overall felt that just like with the Masa incident it was just racing and good racing at that.

    1. nicolas nogaret says:

      how ill informed this is, not just by the poster but by hobbs

      grosjean had all 4 wheels off the track AND GAINED AN ADVANTAGE ; the video clearly shows it ..had he given the place back , no penalty ; grosjean lacks spatial awareness , so maybe he didn’t realise it ; in any case , compulsory penalty

      grosjean turned into button , button was under no obligation to brake to let him past , especially as he was on the racing line , no idea what hobbs was thinking ;button went as near to the edge as was possible , had 1 wheel on the grass ; again , lack of spacial awareness by grosjean ; FIA fudged that by giving a non -penalty

      the graphics showed that vettel’s kers continued to work ; the broken front wing was his own fault ; the marginal cooling on the red bull is a design feature which is why vettel had to cool the car ; webber’s strategy was designed to allow him to run in cool air as much as possible which is why , after a great first stint , he was able to get such a good result

      FIA stands for Ferrari International Assistance …they just get their knuckles rapped

      1. Mark Hilger says:

        So on the Masa overtake he was clearly off? I would like to see the video of that. That is what he did the drive through for.

        As for the Button off, that too could have been called just racing I have seen the car in Buttons place get penalized for pushing a car off the track.

        Also it appeared RG had completed the pass prior to going off against button so questionable if RG had an advantage. The US broadcast then showed several cars doing the same thing. Kimi, Vettel, and someone else.

        I guess Masa is ill informed as well:

        Yes the graphics that must be definitive. What generates the graphic pushing the button or something else? Since the radio transmissions are not in real time did they get the KERS fixed prior to the hot lap? I didn’t say he lost KERS for the whole race, just that he had a failure, I have no idea how long or if they got it fixed. Vettel unlike Webber and Alonso doesn’t make excuses he just performs.

        How about a little less name calling and maybe get some clarification before you post Nicolas nogart it makes you look ill informed. I will grant that my last paragraph talks about 2 different incidents and I could have made it clearer, so for that I apologize.

        Finally my point is as you agree there seems to be several sets of rules.

      2. ‘vettel, unlike webber and alonso doesn’t make excuses, he just performs’.

        are we talking about the same vettel?

        ‘get him out of the way’ ‘call charlie whiting, he didn’t leave me any room’ and countless other instances. webber quite rightly criticised the team for the abysmal apology for a competetive car he raced in quali on saturday.

        on sunday he proved a point and just got on with the job of achieving a fourth place from tenth on the grid, + the fastest lap of the race. vettel believes that he has an entitlement that is not shared, thankfully, by the great majoity of other drivers. if vettel wasn’t such a fast driver he’d be a joke.

  69. SayWhat says:

    I didn’t catch the race but everyone seems to be talking about Grosjean’s and Hamilton’s great overtaking. For those who remember it, I was wondering how their passes stack up to Nelson Piquet’s amazing opposite lock pass around the outside of Ayrton Senna at the 1986 Hungarian GP (my all time favorite pass in F1).


    1. Torchwood Five says:


      I suspect you may be misinterpreting the general “great overtaking” vibe.

      Hamilton’s overtaking was significant in that it allowed him to stay in clean air, and pull ahead of the pursuing Vettel.

      We are not calling the moves “great” in the sense that they can be voted into a top ten of overtakes during the history of the sport.

  70. John Bt says:

    A very good race indeed. Hamilton will be in the charge for sure. WDC is blown open now. Vettel looks worried now, please don’t blame Button. Kimi was very controlled with Alonso preventing the overtakes from Vettel and Grosjean, two wily old foxes as they say.

    Lifted my spirit now, the three contenders Vettel, Kimi and Hamilton now. Kinda lost my hopes for Alonso, not his fault though, Ferrari needs James Allison right now! Not next year. The prancing horse needs a huge miracle.

    Grosjean raw speed is useless without racing skills, he could’ve won IMHO, well he displayed his flaws.

    A nice end to the first half of the season.

    1. DK says:

      Ferrari to buy out Alison’s contract at Lotus, then Lotus can pay Kimi with the cash :)

  71. Random 79 says:

    Very well deserved win by Lewis :)

  72. anon says:

    Hungary suited Mercedes like Monaco did. Lotus, Ferrari and Red Bull are all strong. This was Kimi’s race to lose today but he butchered qualifying. Vettel got the most given the circumstances he faced during the race.

  73. Seized Up says:

    Wondering why Massa didn’t get a penalty for first lap contact with Rosberg? Massa clearly left the track – with all four wheels – rejoined and smacked into Rosberg.

    Need more consistency and decision making from the stewards.

    1. James Allen says:

      Some leeway given at the start, when it’s all chaotic and there are many cars jostling.

  74. Flackie says:

    James, you didn’t mention Alonso’s DRS fine. £13,000 for using the DRS three times when more than one second behind the car in front.

    Would have been bad enough once, but to do it repeatedly is clearly not accidental.

    Grosjean gets big punishment for going slightly off the track in a spectacular overtake. Alonso gets a pocket change fine for repeated violation of DRS rules.

  75. justafan says:

    Certainly the new tyres are helping Mercedes. They seem to slow down Ferrari and Force India, though.

  76. Gul says:

    Im going to say it…Lewis can win the drivers championship….. I believe!

  77. Craig in Manila says:

    Slightly off-topic but, as JA mentioned Damon Hill in the report, maybe it fits ……

    Interesting that JA mentions that HAM has just equalled Hill in terms of race-wins as they are also essentially equal in terms of races contested. As such, maybe a good time for a comparo.

    Wins :
    Hill : 22/122 = 18.0% win-rate
    Ham : 22/120 = 18.3% win-rate

    Laps Led :
    Hill : 1358/6310 = 21.5% led-rate
    Ham : 1342/6687 = 20.1% led-rate

    Podiums : DH 42, LH 53
    Poles : DH 20, LH 30
    F’Laps : DH 19, LH 12

    Obviously, Hill spent many of his 122 races in mid-tier (or worse) cars and had a shedload of retirements (42 for Hill vs 18 for HAM) so simple comparisons aren’t always fair but, as they are both at (essentially) the same number of contested races, just thought it would be an interesting exercise.

    1. F1fan says:

      Maybe comparing HAM to VET would be more interesting since they are racing eachother.

      1. Craig in Manila says:

        The comparison (Hill vs Ham) was done as JA mentioned in his report that they were now on equal career wins.

        Vet and Ham have contested similar number of races (111 vs 120) so a comparison is not unreasonable.

        It’s quite “one sided” though with Vet leading on wins (30 vs 22), on poles (39 vs 30), on fastest-laps (18 vs 12), on points (1226 vs 1037) and on WDCs (3 vs 1).

        They are however equal on podiums (53 each).

  78. aveli says:

    like it or not hamilton won the hungarian grand prix from pole while the red bulls were faster yet looked third class. raikkonen simply laughed.
    looks like we’ll have an excitibg season after all.

  79. that was quite unusual for raikonnen as he is a not usually a ‘laughable type’ on the track. i read where vettel had the unmitigated gall to say to kimi that’ you didn’t leave me any room’. when asked what raikonnen said, vettel exclaimed, ‘he laughed in my face’.

    how embarrassing for the finger? he looked like a fool and rightly so. when people don’t bend to his will he becomes petulant and his body language says it all. he needs to grow up and take defeat like a man. at the time he looked like a spoiled child who realised that kimi won’t take any ‘merde’ from anyone. i loved it. the finger was fingered.


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