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Posted By: James Allen  |  04 Dec 2012   |  11:38 am GMT  |  279 comments

Kimi Raikkonen completed every lap, bar the last one of F1’s longest ever season, the only driver to do so, while only half of this season’s races were won from pole position. And the Brazilian Grand Prix featured the most overtakes ever in a wet F1 race – these are just a few of the headlines from an analysis of the 2012 F1 season in numbers.

Although it appeared that qualifying was more important than ever this year, in fact the highest number of wins from pole for a driver was three for Sebastian Vettel – a very different statistic from last year. Another change from last year was that only one team managed a 1-2 finish; Red Bull in Korea.

The tale of what might have been is clear for Lewis Hamilton who ended up with the most pole positions with seven.

Another surprise is that despite all the rain we had during practice and qualifying sessions this year, only two of the 20 races were rain affected; Malaysia and Brazil.

In total there were 1139 overtaking manoeuvres this season, while the most overtaking manoeuvres in a dry race was 90 at the Chinese Grand Prix.

The most overtaking manoeuvres in a wet race was 147 at the Brazilian Grand Prix, which is a new record. The least overtaking manouevres in a race was a paltry 12 at the Monaco Grand Prix.

The season featured a record seven winners in the first seven races, with eight race winners in total. Red Bull and McLaren were tied on seven race wins and eight pole positions apiece. The lowest grid slot for a race winner was the 11th place start of Fernando Alonso in Valencia.

Alonso’s challenge was underpinned by his 13 podium visits, the most of any driver. But wins were too sparse, just three for the Spaniard compared to five for Vettel, who became the first driver ever to win his first three F1 World Championship titles in consecutive seasons. Germans have now won half of the last 20 World Championships, a boom time for the sport in Germany.

The most emphatic winning margin was 20.6 seconds between Vettel and Felipe Massa in Japan, while the tightest was Mark Webber’s 0.643s margin over Nico Rosberg in Monaco. Webber has still not managed to win a Grand Prix where he started lower than third on the grid.

Raikkonen did a superb job to finish all 20 races, 19 of them in the points, while Michael Schumacher was left cursing his bad luck with eight retirements.

Kamui Kobayashi did the most laps on the Pirelli hard tyre with 798, compared to just 661 for Raikkonen. Sebastian Vettel did 975 laps on the soft tyres, compared to 880 for Alonso, who preferred the medium (842 laps to Vettel’s 707)

And finally fun quiz….two drivers each made up an impressive 72 places from lights to flag in races from their grid slot over the course of the 20 race season.

Who are they?

Make your guess in the comments section below and the first correct answer will receive a signed and personalised copy of our new book JA on F1 2012 – The Year of Living Dangerously, which is published this Friday December 7th.

* The competition is now closed. The answer is Jean Eric Vergne and Sergio Perez and the winner is Rachit Thukral, post #29. Congratulations to him and thanks to everyone who answered.

You can read all about the longest and certainly one of the most dramatic seasons in F1 history in JA on F1 2012 – The Year of Living Dangerously, which is priced at £10.99; it’s a 256 page large format paperback with stunning Darren Heath images and signed copies are available to order via our online shop now.

[Thanks to Michael Sheppard and Pirelli for help with stats]

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1

Alonso and Kimi

2

Perez for sure and Massa not so sure:)

3

Massa and Vettel

4

Alonso and Hulkenberg

5

My guess for the two drivers making up the 72 places are:

Vettel & Alonso

6

Vettel only starts from pole!

7

Button and Schumacher

Vettel won 2/5 races not starting in pole, and did not have the most poles of the season.

8

Singapore from 3rd, Korea from 2nd. At Korea he was in the lead by the first corner, and in Singapore he was 2nd by the 2nd corner, then inherited the lead from Hamilton's retirement.

Another interesting stat, though it's influenced by the current points structure: could Vettel's 44-point deficit be the biggest ever deficit breached to win a DWC? Hunt's was definitely bigger in terms of "equivalent to race win's" (I think he was behind by 3.5 race wins [9 pts for a win then] at one point in 1976), but in terms of strictly absolute points, Vettel might take it.

9

Jean-Eric Vergne and Nico Hulkenberg

10

My guess for the drivers who made up 72 places would be Vettel and Alonso.

[thanks for the update - Mod]

11

Alonso and Button?

12

I'd say Alonso and Raikkonen but they're guesses.

13

Jenson & Perez? Total guess from their lower grid positions!

14

Alonso & Kimi

15

Daniel Ricciardo ?

16

sebastian vettel and mark webber

17

Kimi completed every lap except the final one – his detour down a dead-end escape road in Brazil meant he finished a lap down on Jenson Button. So close!

18

bravo to Kimi. what a wonderful comeback. He sure knows what he is doing !!!!!!

19

I would think that should count as a lap in itself!

TC

20

Oh, and I believe the two drivers with 72 overtakes were Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber!

21

One is Massa. The other must be Glock?

22

On that Webber never having won from lower than 3rd, a more telling stat is that Vettel has never managed to win from lower than 2nd.

23

Vettel won the Malaysian Grand Prix in 2010 starting from 3rd on the grid! Just beacuse he is usually the one in the front of the grid it doesnt mean he doesn't know how to pass. That was made clear in Brazil and Abu Dhabi,

24

Not in Abu Dhabi, he had a set up (after the penalty) that gave him more top speed so he'd be able to overtake faster.

25

Like Alonso.

26

If that is true, it would be a classic case of lies, damn lies and statistics.

Webber has been comprehensively SLAUGHTERED by Vettel, maybe there are some ways you can view it that make MW look better, but he really is a definitive No2 driver.

As Marko said, how come Vettel always comes out on top ?

27

Because the RB car is built as an extension of Vettel himself. Mark Webber has done well. It's like if Arnold Schwarzenegger tried to dance in a suit tailored to Danny de Vito! Rather challenging I would think.

28

Quite a valid point. Webber has lost KERS countless times over the past three years and has had many more alternator failures than Vettel and it's due to his height and size in comparison to Vettel's. The same sort of thing happened to Gerhard Berger all through his career. If he was a foot shorter he would've been more competitive. F1's not exclusively a Jockey sport but it really doesn't help if you're over 6 foot and have a team mate who's just as fast but considerably lighter and shorter.

29

BS. The drivers champ is status, team champ is the pay out. A team will try to maximize and need both drivers to score. A strong bias will hurt that.

30

Yes he has.

31

Even Hamilton's never won from lower than fourth – the problem with these stats is that, if you're a good qualifier, you're probably not going to start much further back than that in a car good enough to challenge for wins.

32

I believe it is correct that Hamilton has never won from lower than 4th.

33

This is true, though I think Hamilton's spread amongst his wins from 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th on the grid is more even, while Vettel's wins are more concentrated from the 1st and 2nd spots. In Vettel's wins from 3rd, he was leading before the first corner in Malaysia 2010, and in Singapore this year, he was 2nd by the 2nd corner (passing Maldonado) and then inherited 1st after Hamilton's retirement.

34

It is hard to win from bellow second if you nearly always manage to qualify in the front row. Ask Senna. Nonetheless, check me if I'm wrong but I believe Vettel started 3rd in Singapore this year.

35

Incorrect. Vettel has twice won from 3rd on the grid. Malaysia 2010 and Singapore this year. Not a surprise stat I guess, but he's not the only one. Few drivers have won outside the front two rows. Only Alonso and Raikkonen have made a regular habit of winning from further down the grid.

36

Wrong. Look at the stats.

37

Sorry, i thoght it was starts..

Massa and Alonso!

38

For the quiz.... the driers are Alonso and Massa ?

39
Usman Ghani Sameen

It has to be amongst Kimi, ALonso and Vettel. But because of vettel starting from the dead end in abu dhabi, I would say top two are Alonso and Vettel

40

Timo Glock and Felipe Massa

41

Making up 72 spots isn't impressive, it just tells us that Schumacher and Vergne (maybe?) didn't maximise qualifying enough.

42

In answer to the quiz, I think the two drivers are Alonso and Raikkonen. Great article.

43

Alonso and Button.

44

Sergio Perez and Fernando Alonso.

45

Vettel, Perez.

46

Its Alonso and Bruno Senna

47
little julie ruth

Jean-Éric Vergne, if you don't include his retirements

48

Button and alonso

49

perez+raikkonen

50

Vettel & Webber.

51

Jean Eric Vergne and Sergio Perez?

52

This is the correct answer and you are the winner - Well done. We will be in touch for address and personalisation details

53

Yeah!!!!

I've e-mailed my details along with a question regarding delivery charges. 🙂

54

No delivery charges, it's a prize!

Got it thanks

55

The two drivers each made up an impressive 72 places from lights to flag in races from their grid slot over the course of the 20 race season are:

1. Jean Eric Vergne

2. Sergio Perez

56
little julie ruth

Jean-Éric Vergne and Paul Di Resta

(Whoops, you wanted two names...)

57
Warren Groenewald

Alonso and Vettel

58

On a different note, even Vettel has never won from a grid position lower than 3rd.

59
Mark in Australia

Glock and Ricciardo

60

Alonso and Schumacher

61

Massa and Perez.

I miss f1 already. Nothing to look forward too. And Moto gp is over. Worst time of the year these next 2 months.

62

"Germans have now won half of the last 20 World Championships, a boom time for the sport in Germany."

Just to put that huge stat in perspective,

*Two* Germans have now won half of the last 20 World Championships.

: )

63

And those Germans are?

64

Charles Pic and Felipe Massa

65

Alonso and Perez

66

Schumacher and Massa

67

It is jean eric vergne and Sergio perez

68

Perez and vergne

69

I would like to know who made the most overtaking excluding first laps and first laps behind safety cars. Any guesses?

70

Alonso and Kobayashi

71

i think it was:

massa and alonso

i doubt it was vetal, but having said that he did make alot of overtakes coming from behind everyone in 2 races

72
Charles Pic and Daniel Ricciardo.

Charles Pic and Daniel Ricciardo.

73

Bruno Senna and Kamui Kobayashi

74

Alonso & Perez?

This isn't going to be like the 'Apple and Ferrari' question where we never find out the answer though?!

75

No, with that one there were some potential issues with revealing identity, due to the nature of the activity involved (!) but the winner has been notified..

76

In a season full of some nice controversies, it's good to see you're not letting us down either James!

78

You forgot one stat

Hamilton was the only one to make it to Q3 every race.

79

Nice Stat!

80

Perez and Petrov

81

Alonso and Massa

82

Is it:

1 Jean Eric Vergne

2 Charles Pic

Cheers, Markus

83

Martin Brundle and David Coulthard, definitely!

Or is it Niki, Niki Lauda?

😉

KL

84

Perez and Vergne

85

Alonso and massa

86

Vergne and Kobayashi

87

I would like to also highlight some of Kimi`s overtakes (hard, fair, inch-perfect), which are not talked a lot, but after two years of break on new tires were quite amazing.

It would be nice to announce the "pass of the year" competition as well, James?

89

Massa & Alonso

90

I think the answer has already been got in that I think it's Perez and Vergne.

Though I have a question - I assume you're not taking into account retirements - in which case I make it:

Perez - 72 places

JEV - 79 places

I thought maybe it was perhaps that JEV was classified in a race in which he retired, but I can't find one...?

91

Ah - I make it

Perez - 72 Places

JEV - 79 places

But that is including the 10 place grid penalty that JEV got at the British GP (he would have started 16th, he finished 14th, but actually started 23rd, so made up 9 places not 2).

This would make it 72 places each - is that the discrepancy?

Or am I barking up the wrong tree completely?

92

Schumacher & Ricciardo

93

Button & Vettel

95

Massa and Vettel

96

Massa and Ricciardo

97

Jean Eric Vergne and Sergio Perez

98

Massa and Ricciardo Im going to go for.

99

Jean-Eric Vergne and Senna

100

Massa and Glock

101

So much for Kimi the Car Breaker...

I'm going to go with Massa and Vergne.

102

Perez and Massa

103

That's right, Sergio Perez and Jean Eric Vergne

104

Drivers to make up 71 positions are Sergio Perez and Jean-Eric Vergne

105

Alonso and Vettel

106

Massa, Vettel.

107

schumacher and vettel maybe?

108

Perez & Alonso

109

Massa

Schumacher

110

Felipe Massa and Timo Glock

I hope!..

111

Vettel and Riccardo

112

At a guess, Perez and Massa!

113

Massa and Alonso

114

Massa and Kovalainen

115

Massa and vergne

116

Alonso and Perez

117

Alonso and Glock

118

Vettel and Button would be my guess.

119

massa and alonso

120

Button and massa?

121

Timo Glock

Flipe Massa

122

My initial guess is J.E.Vergne and Sergio Perez but as this combination has already been guessed before, it wont help me win anything.

Oh well, I take a shot with J.E.Vergne and Daniel Ricaardo.

My assumptions are

1. It has to be a midfield team with lots of overtaking options.

2. The drivers have to be from a team which has got atleast some points.

3. Driver/team which has struggled to qualify in top 10.

This gives me Torro Rosso, Sauber and Williams. Mercedes was normally going back from their grid spot and FI probably qualified too well to have many spot making opportunities.

123

There is a lot of ambiguity in the question for my liking. How are the made up places counted?

1. When a driver finishes the race behind the starting grid position, is it counted as negative?

2. If (1) applies i.e. - the negative positioning is also counted then how are retirements taken into account?

3. Are the grid positions counted before or after grid penalties? e.g. Massa in Austin and SV in Abu Dhabi.

124

Where they started a race and where they finished it...

125

I figured that James, but from my calcs (see post above) I've got Perez on 72 and JEV on 79 - Assuming of course that's the correct answer 😉

126

Massa and Perez.

127

Massa and Schumacher?

128

Alonso and Button

129

Räikkönen & Hulkenberg.

130

Alonso and Perez

131

Timo Glock - Felipe Massa.

132

Massa and Raikkonen?

133

Massa and Vettel

134

Vettel and Button

135

Afonso + Massa

136

My quick calculations make it Jean-Éric Vergne on 73 and Sergio Pérez on 81 so I must have slipped up somewhere. But it is those two. Congrats to the winner

137

Alonso and Vettel

138

Massa & Vettel... but part of me says Massa & Maldonado who would bothe make flying starts

G

139

massa and alonso

140

Another possible number of note for you from this season.

I believe that Pastor Maldonaldo finishing 15th in the championship is the lowest ever end-of-season championship position for a driver having won a championship race that same season.

Any counter offers?

141

true, but if this points scoring system used since 2010 had been used all the way back, there would a fair few this more. Jabouille for one...

142

true, but if this points scoring system used since 2010 had been used all the way back, there would have been different World Champion Drivers some years, too. But it wasn't, and there wasn't... 😉

143

Back in the 70´s and 80´s we had fewer races and not all of them awarded points.I just wanted to add a little twist to the stats, he he!!!

144

Ah, missed one - Jean-Pierre Jabouille was 13th in 1979, but that's the closest I can find.

145

Good shout! Closest I can find is Nelson Piquet - 11th in 1982...

146

Wow, that is quite the stat!

147

That's a great stat!

Jean-Pierre Jabouille runs Maldonado close, though - in both 1979 and 1980 he won one race but failed to score in any of the others, finishing those championships in 13th and 8th place respectively.

148

You're welcome.

As some/many of us have checked thoroughly by now, the record indeed used to be, as you say, Jabouille from 1979, but also Jimmy Bryan, who won the Indy 500 in 1958 and also subsequently classified 13th in the World Championshp of Drivers that year.

150

I think it's Perez and Massa!

151

Perez & Massa

152

Alonso & Kimi

153

My guess would be Perez & Vettel

154

Alonso & Maldonado

155

Massa and perez

156

kimi & Seb

157

Quiz entry - Senna and Perez?

158

Both Vettel and Hamilton have been sent to the back of the grid, which gives them a head start, and both had a few lower than ideal positions towards the beginning of the season (Hamilton due to penalties, Vettel due to the Red Bull not being the best qualifier to begin with) so I'm going to go with this pair.

Looks like nobody else has picked them.

James, with competitions like this where there aren't a massive amount of possibilites, combined with the international nature crossing multiple time zones, and especially because comments don't instantly appear on the site due to moderation, do you think in the future it would be better to have one correct guesser picked at random, as opposed to the first correct guess?

160

Glock & Kovalainen

161

perez-glock

162

Question: How are retirements handled? Are they just left out of the equation?

163

Perez & Verne!

164

vettel and schumacher

165

Vettel and Button

166

Highly unlikely to be any of the top runners, so....

Perez and Kovalainen!

167

Alonso and Schumacher

168

Alonso & Senna

169

Massa and Glock

170

Alonso, Massa.

171

Michael and alonso

172

Alonso & Massa

173

perez and alonso

174

Hamilton and Perez is my guess

175

Massa + Senna

176

Alonso and Perez

177

Charles Pic and Alonso

178

I say Alonso and Raikkonen

179

schumacher and perez

180

Vettel & Massa ( as opposed to the other way round)

181

Glock and Heikki

182

Some more numbers:-

LH was the only driver to reach Q3 for all 20 qualifying sessions.

Earlier on 6th Nov there was an analysis on where LH lost points. Just for fun this is what the table would look like if all drivers finished the race where they qualified (not including grid penalties), last column is what they actually got.

LH 346 190

SV 284 281

MW 227 179

JB 185 188

FA 161 278

RG 122 96

KR 121 207

MS 119 49

PM 113 45

NR 99 93

FM 79 122

KK 51 60

SP 39 66

NH 34 63

PD 29 46

DR 9 10

BS 2 31

JV 0 16

Draw from it what you will.

183

What I draw from it is that this year, unlike 2010 and 2011, the McLaren was faster (relative to the other cars) in qualifying rather than race trim. It was still fast enough in the races that, if it had been as reliable as the Ferrari, then Hamilton would've had another two wins (Abu Dhabi and Singapore).

The lack of relative race pace in Bahrain and Britain still really hurt McLaren ... in championships these days, you simply cannot afford to let your competitors pick up good points (10+) while you snag none (or little). What it means is that at the next race you have to bag decent points, plus make up the shortfall from the prior race.

184
Warren Groenewald

Wow! If that McLaren was as reliable as it was fast, Hamilton would have obliterated the field this year.

It's also interesting that SV, JB and NR have such similar scores to where they started and very much highlights the qualifying weakness of the Ferrari with both drivers scoring higher.

Maldonado and Grosjean though - hmmmmm.

185

Schuey's stats are interesting. He would have beaten Rosberg and it seems to indicate Rosberg barely moved in the races.

186

This information is very interesting!!!!

Lewis leaves McLaren....

Alonso and Kimi skills....

Michel and Pastor lack of success...

187

Very nice info...That shows how mclaren screwed Hamilton's season, Maldonaldo scratching his head for lost points, Alonso can only be proud of his season,button and vettel almost finished where they started...

188

Of the front runners, Fernando and Kimi show quite a different trend than the others! Of course, if you consistently qualify very well (Lewis and Sebastian), then it's almost certain that you end up with less points than your quali performances would indicate. Still, shows what good racers Fernando and Kimi are.

189

Thanks, that's very cool.

190

I would do a similar thing, in that it would be nice to look at how the championship would have panned out if a disaster did not occur. e.g. take vettels likely position if his alternator had not failed, Alonso's likely position if he had not been crashed into, Hamiltons likely position if he had not been sent to the back of the grid etc... very subjective I know but fun... I think Hamilton would easily be the winner there as well...

192

I can read the question in various (at least three) ways, so I go for the answer that is not yet given:

Pic (59), Glock (57)

when I count all the results, including races where they finished below their starting position and retirements.

(Otherwise the answer is Verge and Perez when not counting retirements (and races where they finished below their starting position as the third way)

193

And including all retirements and races where they finished below their starting positions Lewis Hamilton lost the most places (106) 🙂

194

Off the top of my I'd say head Alonso and Raikkonen?

I did build an excel spread sheet made up of 20 worksheets (1 each for all 20 races in 2012), so if I actually took some time to make a full analysis, I would know the definitive correct answer for sure.

195

Off the top of my head I’d say Alonso and Raikkonen?

I did build an excel spread sheet made up of 20 worksheets (1 each for all 20 races in 2012), so if I actually took some time to make a full analysis, I would know the definitive correct answer for sure.

196

Someone can go to f1.com and do the work if they wan to get the accurate solution. Or better wait for James' response.

197

Button & Vettel

198
unF1nnished business

Massa and Perez.

199

The Ferrari Drivers- Alonso and Massa.

200

ALONSO & GLOCK

201

Alonso and Kimi

202

Massa and Alonso

203

Massa and Glock

204

Alonso and Glock

205

Has anyone ever completed every lap of a season?

206

Schumacher did once, I believe 2002 (may be wrong about the year).

207

Schumi 2002, Fangio 1954 (Ignoring 500), Hawthorn 53 (Ignoring 500) and you could argue Dan Gurney in 1961. Hill and Clark both came close in 63 and 64 but both had one race where they were classified but had retired

208

I think Massa and Alonso

209

http://www.formula1.com/teams_and_drivers/drivers/

I was looking up the drivers to see who I thought would join Alonso in making up the most laps and I realised that the top 5 drivers directly above their team mates for next year, ie each of the top 5 drivers finished exactly 5 places above next years team mate. Not that exciting I know, but funny to see it in an image.

210

Michael and Bruno.

211
Tornillo Amarillo

Massa and Perez.

212

Massa & Vettel

Tim

213

I would guess it was JB and SV

214

Great stats James - really interesting reading.

Alonso and Senna.

215

vergne and alonso

216

Senna and Glock

217

All overtakes

1. Sebastian Vettel - 74 on-track overtakes

1. Mark Webber - 74

3. Felipe Massa - 65

4. Lewis Hamilton - 55

4. Romain Grosjean - 55

All overtakes, without backmarkers

Disgarding the overtakes on the teams of HRT, Marussia and Caterham

1. Sebastian Vettel - 51 on-track overtakes

2. Lewis Hamilton - 46

2. Mark Webber - 46

4. Felipe Massa - 45

5. Jenson Button - 41

All overtakes, without backmarkers, with equal tires

Disgarding the overtakes on the teams of HRT, Marussia and Caterham

Disgarding overtakes on cars with more than 5 lap older tires

1. Sebastian Vettel - 29 on-track overtakes

2. Jenson Button - 26

3. Mark Webber - 24

4. Kimi Räikkönen - 23

4. Felipe Massa - 23

All overtakes, only on 5 top teams

Counting only overtakes on the teams of Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus and Mercedes

1. Sebastian Vettel - 28 on-track overtakes

2. Lewis Hamilton - 25

3. Jenson Button - 22

4. Kimi Räikkönen - 21

5. Felipe Massa - 16

218

Heh. I was just about to post the same. If that's the same stats James is going by, the answer is Vettel and Webber.

219

great stats. this makes Alonso's title challenge look even more obscenely unlikely doesn't it...?

220

Of all the stats the last one is very impressive i.e All overtakes, only on 5 top teams

Counting only overtakes on the teams of Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus and Mercedes. Its show how well Vettle and Hamilton have actually driven this year. So kudos to both of them. Its a pity Hamilton had too many reliability/pitsop/strategy errors.

221

I dont take credit for the above stats. I read it on http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=398883&f=1

222

But I am sure even after reading it, people will still say Vettel doent know how to overtake

223
Martin O'Carroll

schumacher and hulkenburg

224

James you should also add a Like and Dislike button so we can agree with someone who is right instead of just posting new post each time. The page would look lot less cluttered.. Maybe keep rename them as Agree and Disagree

225

Alonso and Senna

226

Although I think Kimi did an awesome job, there is one person who has raced every single lap of a season. Although, in all fairness, that season there were just 17 races that season.

It was M. Schumacher who raced 100% of the race laps in 2002. He actually finished all races on the podium.

227
Hussein Lokhandwala

Perez and Massa

228

Massa & Glock ?

229

Hulk and vettel

230

Alonso and Schumacher

231

Vettel and Massa

232

Button and Schumacher?

233

Raikkonen and Massa

234

Jean Eric Vergne + Alonso

235
Victor Medina-Leal

Glock and Massa

236

I really do hope that someone sorts out the Malaysian GP for next year. That timeslot at that time of year is just asking for monsoon rain. Come on F1, no one wants to sit about waiting for the race to start, we all have stuff to do!

237

Schumacher & Massa

238

Schumacher and Kamui

239

Massa and Perez

240

Alonso and Senna

241

Glock and Vergne gained the most

Button and Hamilton lost the most over the whole season I think

242

along with Maldanado

If not Glock then Petrov, Pic or Perez

243

Raikkonen and Glock

244

Big response! 🙂 I reckon Vettel and Webber.

245

I didn't even see that table above. Still not sure if my answer is accurate though. Anyhoo ...

246

Very interesting re Webber not being able to win from a position below 3rd.

I would suggest though that often this is because he is below his team mate.

My guess for the comp would be Button and Perez

247

Alonso and paul di resta

248

Massa and Schumacher

249

Seb Vettel & Mark Webber

250

What's the answer James?

251

Massa & Glock

252

Massa and Perez!

253

Massa and Vettel

254

Massa and Button as they started out of position so often

255

Button and Perez

256

Massa and Alonso

257

Glock and Massa

258

Probably already guessed, but I'll say Massa and Vergne were the two.

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heikki kovalainen and naren karthikeyan

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Alonso and Perez

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Perez and Vergne... Got the answer yesterday, but then I saw a comment with the correct answer already... So that kinda burst my bubble... 🙁 How about a random winner selection process next time James? 🙂

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kobayashi and alonso

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My guess is: Alonso & Perez

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massa and Alonso

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Ok James let us have it

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Alonso and Raikkenon

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Alonso and Massa

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Vettel and Webber

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Senna and Ricciardo

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Senna and Perez

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Massa and Perez?

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kimi and Alonso

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Jean Eric Vergne and Felipe Massa

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Massa and Schumacher

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72 places in 20 races is an average of 3.6 places for every race. It has to be the bottom end, because only they gain those places reliably as others retire. To put that to perspective, a top driver would have start at end of the three times and finish near podium to get anywhere near that number.

Well, okay, I suppose some middle-tier driver could qualify reliably at 10+ and drive to points.

Anyway, could be Glock, but I'd say Kovalainen and Petrov, because Glock and Heikki was said already. Kovalainen started almost always at 19 and Petrov at 20.

James, will you close the thread and tell the correct answer when appropriate?

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Schumacher and Vettel

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Pérez 80, Vergne 79 poz.

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Massa and Glock

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What happened to my post?

I wrote Vergne and Perez. And talked about how I was right, but I wouldn't get the prize.

What happened to my comment? Was I censored or am I missing something?

Thanks.

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