Posted on December 4, 2012
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Kimi Raikkonen completed every lap, bar the last one of F1’s longest ever season, the only driver to do so, while only half of this season’s races were won from pole position. And the Brazilian Grand Prix featured the most overtakes ever in a wet F1 race – these are just a few of the headlines from an analysis of the 2012 F1 season in numbers.

Although it appeared that qualifying was more important than ever this year, in fact the highest number of wins from pole for a driver was three for Sebastian Vettel – a very different statistic from last year. Another change from last year was that only one team managed a 1-2 finish; Red Bull in Korea.

The tale of what might have been is clear for Lewis Hamilton who ended up with the most pole positions with seven.

Another surprise is that despite all the rain we had during practice and qualifying sessions this year, only two of the 20 races were rain affected; Malaysia and Brazil.

In total there were 1139 overtaking manoeuvres this season, while the most overtaking manoeuvres in a dry race was 90 at the Chinese Grand Prix.

The most overtaking manoeuvres in a wet race was 147 at the Brazilian Grand Prix, which is a new record. The least overtaking manouevres in a race was a paltry 12 at the Monaco Grand Prix.

The season featured a record seven winners in the first seven races, with eight race winners in total. Red Bull and McLaren were tied on seven race wins and eight pole positions apiece. The lowest grid slot for a race winner was the 11th place start of Fernando Alonso in Valencia.

Alonso’s challenge was underpinned by his 13 podium visits, the most of any driver. But wins were too sparse, just three for the Spaniard compared to five for Vettel, who became the first driver ever to win his first three F1 World Championship titles in consecutive seasons. Germans have now won half of the last 20 World Championships, a boom time for the sport in Germany.

The most emphatic winning margin was 20.6 seconds between Vettel and Felipe Massa in Japan, while the tightest was Mark Webber’s 0.643s margin over Nico Rosberg in Monaco. Webber has still not managed to win a Grand Prix where he started lower than third on the grid.

Raikkonen did a superb job to finish all 20 races, 19 of them in the points, while Michael Schumacher was left cursing his bad luck with eight retirements.

Kamui Kobayashi did the most laps on the Pirelli hard tyre with 798, compared to just 661 for Raikkonen. Sebastian Vettel did 975 laps on the soft tyres, compared to 880 for Alonso, who preferred the medium (842 laps to Vettel’s 707)

And finally fun quiz….two drivers each made up an impressive 72 places from lights to flag in races from their grid slot over the course of the 20 race season.

Who are they?

Make your guess in the comments section below and the first correct answer will receive a signed and personalised copy of our new book JA on F1 2012 – The Year of Living Dangerously, which is published this Friday December 7th.

* The competition is now closed. The answer is Jean Eric Vergne and Sergio Perez and the winner is Rachit Thukral, post #29. Congratulations to him and thanks to everyone who answered.

You can read all about the longest and certainly one of the most dramatic seasons in F1 history in JA on F1 2012 – The Year of Living Dangerously, which is priced at £10.99; it’s a 256 page large format paperback with stunning Darren Heath images and signed copies are available to order via our online shop now.

[Thanks to Michael Sheppard and Pirelli for help with stats]

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  1.   1. Posted By: Batbileg
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:43 am 

    Alonso and Kimi

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    Prathmesh Reply:

    Alonso and Hulkenberg

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    Antonio Reply:

    Massa and Vettel

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    Nuno Reply:

    Perez for sure and Massa not so sure:)

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  2.   2. Posted By: Anton
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:44 am 

    My guess for the two drivers making up the 72 places are:

    Vettel & Alonso

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    Richard Reply:

    Vettel only starts from pole!

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    jf Reply:

    Button and Schumacher

    Vettel won 2/5 races not starting in pole, and did not have the most poles of the season.

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    KRB Reply:

    Singapore from 3rd, Korea from 2nd. At Korea he was in the lead by the first corner, and in Singapore he was 2nd by the 2nd corner, then inherited the lead from Hamilton’s retirement.

    Another interesting stat, though it’s influenced by the current points structure: could Vettel’s 44-point deficit be the biggest ever deficit breached to win a DWC? Hunt’s was definitely bigger in terms of “equivalent to race win’s” (I think he was behind by 3.5 race wins [9 pts for a win then] at one point in 1976), but in terms of strictly absolute points, Vettel might take it.


  3.   3. Posted By: Anthony
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:45 am 

    Jean-Eric Vergne and Nico Hulkenberg

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  4.   4. Posted By: James D
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:45 am 

    My guess for the drivers who made up 72 places would be Vettel and Alonso.

    [thanks for the update - Mod]

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  5.   5. Posted By: Tim
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:45 am 

    Alonso and Button?

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  6.   6. Posted By: Christina Millar
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:45 am 

    I’d say Alonso and Raikkonen but they’re guesses.

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  7.   7. Posted By: Simon Oram
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:47 am 

    Jenson & Perez? Total guess from their lower grid positions!

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  8.   8. Posted By: MISTER
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:48 am 

    Alonso & Kimi

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  9.   9. Posted By: Phil W
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:48 am 

    Daniel Ricciardo ?

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  10.   10. Posted By: Darcy
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:49 am 

    sebastian vettel and mark webber

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  11.   11. Posted By: Steve Hopkinson
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:49 am 

    Kimi completed every lap except the final one – his detour down a dead-end escape road in Brazil meant he finished a lap down on Jenson Button. So close!

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    The Catman Reply:

    I would think that should count as a lap in itself!

    TC

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    TMax Reply:

    bravo to Kimi. what a wonderful comeback. He sure knows what he is doing !!!!!!

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  12.   12. Posted By: Steve Hopkinson
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:50 am 

    Oh, and I believe the two drivers with 72 overtakes were Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber!

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  13.   13. Posted By: Bjornar Simonsen
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:51 am 

    One is Massa. The other must be Glock?

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  14.   14. Posted By: Andy Redden
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:51 am 

    On that Webber never having won from lower than 3rd, a more telling stat is that Vettel has never managed to win from lower than 2nd.

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    Archie Reply:

    Wrong. Look at the stats.

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    Jimbo Reply:

    Incorrect. Vettel has twice won from 3rd on the grid. Malaysia 2010 and Singapore this year. Not a surprise stat I guess, but he’s not the only one. Few drivers have won outside the front two rows. Only Alonso and Raikkonen have made a regular habit of winning from further down the grid.

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    Ricardo Reply:

    It is hard to win from bellow second if you nearly always manage to qualify in the front row. Ask Senna. Nonetheless, check me if I’m wrong but I believe Vettel started 3rd in Singapore this year.

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    James Reply:

    I believe it is correct that Hamilton has never won from lower than 4th.

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    KRB Reply:

    This is true, though I think Hamilton’s spread amongst his wins from 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th on the grid is more even, while Vettel’s wins are more concentrated from the 1st and 2nd spots. In Vettel’s wins from 3rd, he was leading before the first corner in Malaysia 2010, and in Singapore this year, he was 2nd by the 2nd corner (passing Maldonado) and then inherited 1st after Hamilton’s retirement.

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    Steve Hopkinson Reply:

    Even Hamilton’s never won from lower than fourth – the problem with these stats is that, if you’re a good qualifier, you’re probably not going to start much further back than that in a car good enough to challenge for wins.

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    69bhp Reply:

    Yes he has.

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    PDiddly Reply:

    If that is true, it would be a classic case of lies, damn lies and statistics.

    Webber has been comprehensively SLAUGHTERED by Vettel, maybe there are some ways you can view it that make MW look better, but he really is a definitive No2 driver.

    As Marko said, how come Vettel always comes out on top ?

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    Wade Parmino Reply:

    Because the RB car is built as an extension of Vettel himself. Mark Webber has done well. It’s like if Arnold Schwarzenegger tried to dance in a suit tailored to Danny de Vito! Rather challenging I would think.

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    JF Reply:

    BS. The drivers champ is status, team champ is the pay out. A team will try to maximize and need both drivers to score. A strong bias will hurt that.

    Alex Reply:

    Quite a valid point. Webber has lost KERS countless times over the past three years and has had many more alternator failures than Vettel and it’s due to his height and size in comparison to Vettel’s. The same sort of thing happened to Gerhard Berger all through his career. If he was a foot shorter he would’ve been more competitive. F1′s not exclusively a Jockey sport but it really doesn’t help if you’re over 6 foot and have a team mate who’s just as fast but considerably lighter and shorter.

    RFG Reply:

    Vettel won the Malaysian Grand Prix in 2010 starting from 3rd on the grid! Just beacuse he is usually the one in the front of the grid it doesnt mean he doesn’t know how to pass. That was made clear in Brazil and Abu Dhabi,

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    Richard Reply:

    Not in Abu Dhabi, he had a set up (after the penalty) that gave him more top speed so he’d be able to overtake faster.

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    Wild Man Reply:

    Like Alonso.


  15.   15. Posted By: Bjornar Simonsen
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:52 am 

    Sorry, i thoght it was starts..

    Massa and Alonso!

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  16.   16. Posted By: Damien
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:53 am 

    For the quiz…. the driers are Alonso and Massa ?

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  17.   17. Posted By: Usman Ghani Sameen
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:54 am 

    It has to be amongst Kimi, ALonso and Vettel. But because of vettel starting from the dead end in abu dhabi, I would say top two are Alonso and Vettel

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  18.   18. Posted By: James
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:55 am 

    Timo Glock and Felipe Massa

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  19.   19. Posted By: Josh
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:56 am 

    Making up 72 spots isn’t impressive, it just tells us that Schumacher and Vergne (maybe?) didn’t maximise qualifying enough.

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  20.   20. Posted By: James baker
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:00 pm 

    In answer to the quiz, I think the two drivers are Alonso and Raikkonen. Great article.

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  21.   21. Posted By: Sebastian
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:00 pm 

    Alonso and Button.

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  22.   22. Posted By: Felipe Azar
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:01 pm 

    Sergio Perez and Fernando Alonso.

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  23.   23. Posted By: Julian Hinvest
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:03 pm 

    Vettel, Perez.

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  24.   24. Posted By: aghileshwar
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:05 pm 

    Its Alonso and Bruno Senna

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  25.   25. Posted By: little julie ruth
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:07 pm 

    Jean-Éric Vergne, if you don’t include his retirements

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  26.   26. Posted By: Sam Jarvis
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:07 pm 

    Button and alonso

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  27.   27. Posted By: Daniel
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:07 pm 

    perez+raikkonen

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  28.   28. Posted By: James
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:07 pm 

    Vettel & Webber.

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  29.   29. Posted By: Rachit Thukral
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:09 pm 

    Jean Eric Vergne and Sergio Perez?

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    James Allen Reply:

    This is the correct answer and you are the winner – Well done. We will be in touch for address and personalisation details

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    Rachit Thukral Reply:

    Yeah!!!!
    I’ve e-mailed my details along with a question regarding delivery charges. :)

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    James Allen Reply:

    No delivery charges, it’s a prize!

    Got it thanks


  30.   30. Posted By: KK
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:10 pm 

    The two drivers each made up an impressive 72 places from lights to flag in races from their grid slot over the course of the 20 race season are:

    1. Jean Eric Vergne
    2. Sergio Perez

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  31.   31. Posted By: little julie ruth
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:11 pm 

    Jean-Éric Vergne and Paul Di Resta

    (Whoops, you wanted two names…)

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  32.   32. Posted By: Warren Groenewald
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:11 pm 

    Alonso and Vettel

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  33.   33. Posted By: Nandan
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:13 pm 

    On a different note, even Vettel has never won from a grid position lower than 3rd.

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  34.   34. Posted By: Mark in Australia
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:14 pm 

    Glock and Ricciardo

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  35.   35. Posted By: Craig Taylor
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:15 pm 

    Alonso and Schumacher

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  36.   36. Posted By: Irish con
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:15 pm 

    Massa and Perez.

    I miss f1 already. Nothing to look forward too. And Moto gp is over. Worst time of the year these next 2 months.

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  37.   37. Posted By: Raja Sen
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:15 pm 

    “Germans have now won half of the last 20 World Championships, a boom time for the sport in Germany.”

    Just to put that huge stat in perspective,

    *Two* Germans have now won half of the last 20 World Championships.

    : )

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    rad_g Reply:

    And those Germans are?

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  38.   38. Posted By: Simon D
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:16 pm 

    Charles Pic and Felipe Massa

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  39.   39. Posted By: andae23
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:17 pm 

    Alonso and Perez

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  40.   40. Posted By: Mike
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:18 pm 

    Schumacher and Massa

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  41.   41. Posted By: Naveen chandar
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:19 pm 

    It is jean eric vergne and Sergio perez

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  42.   42. Posted By: sam w
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:23 pm 

    Perez and vergne

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  43.   43. Posted By: Ricardo
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:24 pm 

    I would like to know who made the most overtaking excluding first laps and first laps behind safety cars. Any guesses?

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  44.   44. Posted By: Shaq
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:28 pm 

    Alonso and Kobayashi

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  45.   45. Posted By: nenyim
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:28 pm 

    i think it was:
    massa and alonso
    i doubt it was vetal, but having said that he did make alot of overtakes coming from behind everyone in 2 races

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  46.   46. Posted By: Charles Pic and Daniel Ricciardo.
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:29 pm 

    Charles Pic and Daniel Ricciardo.

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  47.   47. Posted By: Marcelo
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:31 pm 

    Bruno Senna and Kamui Kobayashi

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  48.   48. Posted By: DC
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:32 pm 

    Alonso & Perez?

    This isn’t going to be like the ‘Apple and Ferrari’ question where we never find out the answer though?!

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    James Allen Reply:

    No, with that one there were some potential issues with revealing identity, due to the nature of the activity involved (!) but the winner has been notified..

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    Mitchel Reply:

    In a season full of some nice controversies, it’s good to see you’re not letting us down either James!

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  49.   49. Posted By: David B
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:33 pm 

    Massa and Perez

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  50.   50. Posted By: InternetF1Fan
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:38 pm 

    You forgot one stat

    Hamilton was the only one to make it to Q3 every race.

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    Dave P Reply:

    Nice Stat!

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  51.   51. Posted By: Phil Lewis
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:41 pm 

    Perez and Petrov

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  52.   52. Posted By: Eduan
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:41 pm 

    Alonso and Massa

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  53.   53. Posted By: Markus
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:41 pm 

    Is it:
    1 Jean Eric Vergne
    2 Charles Pic
    Cheers, Markus

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  54.   54. Posted By: Kili Liam
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:47 pm 

    Martin Brundle and David Coulthard, definitely!
    Or is it Niki, Niki Lauda?

    ;-)

    KL

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  55.   55. Posted By: Jose Miguel
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:49 pm 

    Perez and Vergne

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  56.   56. Posted By: F12012
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:51 pm 

    Alonso and massa

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  57.   57. Posted By: David B
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:55 pm 

    Vergne and Kobayashi

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  58.   58. Posted By: Peter
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 12:59 pm 

    I would like to also highlight some of Kimi`s overtakes (hard, fair, inch-perfect), which are not talked a lot, but after two years of break on new tires were quite amazing.
    It would be nice to announce the “pass of the year” competition as well, James?

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  59.   59. Posted By: Miha Bevc
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:05 pm 

    Vettel and Alonso.

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  60.   60. Posted By: Ernie
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:06 pm 

    Massa & Alonso

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  61.   61. Posted By: Martin Davies
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:07 pm 

    I think the answer has already been got in that I think it’s Perez and Vergne.

    Though I have a question – I assume you’re not taking into account retirements – in which case I make it:

    Perez – 72 places
    JEV – 79 places

    I thought maybe it was perhaps that JEV was classified in a race in which he retired, but I can’t find one…?

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    Martin Davies Reply:

    Ah – I make it

    Perez – 72 Places
    JEV – 79 places

    But that is including the 10 place grid penalty that JEV got at the British GP (he would have started 16th, he finished 14th, but actually started 23rd, so made up 9 places not 2).

    This would make it 72 places each – is that the discrepancy?

    Or am I barking up the wrong tree completely?

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  62.   62. Posted By: Thanos
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:07 pm 

    Schumacher & Ricciardo

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  63.   63. Posted By: Jeb Hoge
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:09 pm 

    Button & Vettel

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  64.   64. Posted By: Piet
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:14 pm 

    Massa & Vettel

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  65.   65. Posted By: Luke R
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:16 pm 

    Massa and Vettel

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  66.   66. Posted By: Baghetti
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:18 pm 

    Massa and Ricciardo

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  67.   67. Posted By: MW
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:19 pm 

    Jean Eric Vergne and Sergio Perez

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  68.   68. Posted By: Nick
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:21 pm 

    Massa and Ricciardo Im going to go for.

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  69.   69. Posted By: Aaron Devaney
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:22 pm 

    Jean-Eric Vergne and Senna

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  70.   70. Posted By: Yos
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:23 pm 

    Massa and Glock

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  71.   71. Posted By: JimmiC
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:27 pm 

    So much for Kimi the Car Breaker…

    I’m going to go with Massa and Vergne.

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  72.   72. Posted By: DM
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:28 pm 

    Perez and Massa

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  73.   73. Posted By: salisu
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:29 pm 

    That’s right, Sergio Perez and Jean Eric Vergne

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  74.   74. Posted By: Angus
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:29 pm 

    Drivers to make up 71 positions are Sergio Perez and Jean-Eric Vergne

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  75.   75. Posted By: Steve
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:31 pm 

    Alonso and Vettel

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  76.   76. Posted By: Sasa
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:34 pm 

    Massa, Vettel.

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  77.   77. Posted By: michael
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:36 pm 

    schumacher and vettel maybe?

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  78.   78. Posted By: Martin Nash
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:36 pm 

    Perez & Alonso

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  79.   79. Posted By: Anand
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:37 pm 

    Massa
    Schumacher

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  80.   80. Posted By: Will Gooding
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:37 pm 

    Felipe Massa and Timo Glock

    I hope!..

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  81.   81. Posted By: Stickymart
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:39 pm 

    Vettel and Riccardo

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  82.   82. Posted By: Richard deS
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:41 pm 

    At a guess, Perez and Massa!

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  83.   83. Posted By: Tom Taylor
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:43 pm 

    Massa and Alonso

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  84.   84. Posted By: Stefan
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:43 pm 

    Massa and Kovalainen

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  85.   85. Posted By: wakie81
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:52 pm 

    Massa and vergne

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  86.   86. Posted By: Andrew Montague
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:54 pm 

    Alonso and Perez

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  87.   87. Posted By: Andrew Carter
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:55 pm 

    Alonso and Glock

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  88.   88. Posted By: Nick Tabram
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:57 pm 

    Vettel and Button would be my guess.

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  89.   89. Posted By: niall quinn
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 1:57 pm 

    massa and alonso

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  90.   90. Posted By: Ed
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:03 pm 

    Button and massa?

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  91.   91. Posted By: Adeel Mehboob
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:03 pm 

    Timo Glock
    Flipe Massa

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  92.   92. Posted By: Spoo
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:09 pm 

    My initial guess is J.E.Vergne and Sergio Perez but as this combination has already been guessed before, it wont help me win anything.

    Oh well, I take a shot with J.E.Vergne and Daniel Ricaardo.

    My assumptions are
    1. It has to be a midfield team with lots of overtaking options.
    2. The drivers have to be from a team which has got atleast some points.
    3. Driver/team which has struggled to qualify in top 10.

    This gives me Torro Rosso, Sauber and Williams. Mercedes was normally going back from their grid spot and FI probably qualified too well to have many spot making opportunities.

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    Spoo Reply:

    There is a lot of ambiguity in the question for my liking. How are the made up places counted?
    1. When a driver finishes the race behind the starting grid position, is it counted as negative?

    2. If (1) applies i.e. – the negative positioning is also counted then how are retirements taken into account?

    3. Are the grid positions counted before or after grid penalties? e.g. Massa in Austin and SV in Abu Dhabi.

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    James Allen Reply:

    Where they started a race and where they finished it…

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    Martin Davies Reply:

    I figured that James, but from my calcs (see post above) I’ve got Perez on 72 and JEV on 79 – Assuming of course that’s the correct answer ;-)


  93.   93. Posted By: Eric
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:09 pm 

    Massa and Perez.

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  94.   94. Posted By: Phil
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:11 pm 

    Massa and Schumacher?

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  95.   95. Posted By: Charles
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:12 pm 

    Alonso and Button

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  96.   96. Posted By: Gareth J Taylor
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:15 pm 

    Räikkönen & Hulkenberg.

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  97.   97. Posted By: Steve J
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:15 pm 

    Alonso and Perez

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  98.   98. Posted By: ArunasNesvarbu
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:17 pm 

    Timo Glock – Felipe Massa.

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  99.   99. Posted By: DJ
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:20 pm 

    Massa and Raikkonen?

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  100.   100. Posted By: Rockie
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:22 pm 

    Massa and Vettel

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  101.   101. Posted By: Grant
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:27 pm 

    Vettel and Button

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  102.   102. Posted By: João
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:27 pm 

    Afonso + Massa

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  103.   103. Posted By: DanT
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:32 pm 

    My quick calculations make it Jean-Éric Vergne on 73 and Sergio Pérez on 81 so I must have slipped up somewhere. But it is those two. Congrats to the winner

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  104.   104. Posted By: Panayiotis
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:35 pm 

    Alonso and Vettel

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  105.   105. Posted By: Graham
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:36 pm 

    Massa & Vettel… but part of me says Massa & Maldonado who would bothe make flying starts

    G

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  106.   106. Posted By: efi
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:36 pm 

    massa and alonso

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  107.   107. Posted By: A-P
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:38 pm 

    Another possible number of note for you from this season.

    I believe that Pastor Maldonaldo finishing 15th in the championship is the lowest ever end-of-season championship position for a driver having won a championship race that same season.

    Any counter offers?

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    James Allen Reply:

    Nice one!

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    Estophile Reply:

    That’s a great stat!

    Jean-Pierre Jabouille runs Maldonado close, though – in both 1979 and 1980 he won one race but failed to score in any of the others, finishing those championships in 13th and 8th place respectively.

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    A-P Reply:

    You’re welcome.

    As some/many of us have checked thoroughly by now, the record indeed used to be, as you say, Jabouille from 1979, but also Jimmy Bryan, who won the Indy 500 in 1958 and also subsequently classified 13th in the World Championshp of Drivers that year.

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    Shane Pinnell Reply:

    Wow, that is quite the stat!

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    Martin Davies Reply:

    Good shout! Closest I can find is Nelson Piquet – 11th in 1982…

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    Martin Davies Reply:

    Ah, missed one – Jean-Pierre Jabouille was 13th in 1979, but that’s the closest I can find.

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    Anne Reply:

    Back in the 70´s and 80´s we had fewer races and not all of them awarded points.I just wanted to add a little twist to the stats, he he!!!

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    strangely Reply:

    true, but if this points scoring system used since 2010 had been used all the way back, there would a fair few this more. Jabouille for one…

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    A-P Reply:

    true, but if this points scoring system used since 2010 had been used all the way back, there would have been different World Champion Drivers some years, too. But it wasn’t, and there wasn’t… ;)

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  108.   108. Posted By: Guy
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:39 pm 

    I think it’s Perez and Massa!

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  109.   109. Posted By: Richard Groves
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:40 pm 

    Perez & Massa

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  110.   110. Posted By: Ben
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:43 pm 

    Alonso & Kimi

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  111.   111. Posted By: Simon
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:49 pm 

    My guess would be Perez & Vettel

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  112.   112. Posted By: Garriel
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:51 pm 

    Alonso & Maldonado

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  113.   113. Posted By: Rich
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 2:55 pm 

    Massa and perez

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  114.   114. Posted By: Mimie
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 3:04 pm 

    kimi & Seb

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  115.   115. Posted By: forzaminardi
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 3:18 pm 

    Quiz entry – Senna and Perez?

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  116.   116. Posted By: James Clayton
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 3:28 pm 

    Both Vettel and Hamilton have been sent to the back of the grid, which gives them a head start, and both had a few lower than ideal positions towards the beginning of the season (Hamilton due to penalties, Vettel due to the Red Bull not being the best qualifier to begin with) so I’m going to go with this pair.

    Looks like nobody else has picked them.

    James, with competitions like this where there aren’t a massive amount of possibilites, combined with the international nature crossing multiple time zones, and especially because comments don’t instantly appear on the site due to moderation, do you think in the future it would be better to have one correct guesser picked at random, as opposed to the first correct guess?

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    James Allen Reply:

    Possibly.

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  117.   117. Posted By: Paul Lewis
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 3:34 pm 

    Glock & Kovalainen

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  118.   118. Posted By: Philippe
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 3:39 pm 

    perez-glock

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  119.   119. Posted By: Andrew M
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 3:45 pm 

    Question: How are retirements handled? Are they just left out of the equation?

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  120.   120. Posted By: Paul Lewis
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 3:47 pm 

    Perez & Verne!

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  121.   121. Posted By: Leon Kohrs
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 3:48 pm 

    vettel and schumacher

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  122.   122. Posted By: HJ
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 3:55 pm 

    Vettel and Button

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  123.   123. Posted By: Paul
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 3:55 pm 

    Highly unlikely to be any of the top runners, so….

    Perez and Kovalainen!

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  124.   124. Posted By: Raj
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 3:56 pm 

    Alonso and Schumacher

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  125.   125. Posted By: Triangle
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 4:00 pm 

    Alonso & Senna

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  126.   126. Posted By: MJSib
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 4:10 pm 

    Massa and Glock

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  127.   127. Posted By: Kay
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 4:12 pm 

    Alonso, Massa.

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  128.   128. Posted By: Chris
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 4:12 pm 

    Michael and alonso

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  129.   129. Posted By: Sam
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 4:14 pm 

    Alonso & Massa

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  130.   130. Posted By: Chris
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 4:23 pm 

    perez and alonso

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  131.   131. Posted By: Mike
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 4:39 pm 

    Hamilton and Perez is my guess

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  132.   132. Posted By: John Gill
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 4:42 pm 

    Massa + Senna

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  133.   133. Posted By: Mitchel
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 4:55 pm 

    Alonso and Perez

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  134.   134. Posted By: Robert
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 4:56 pm 

    Charles Pic and Alonso

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  135.   135. Posted By: Anne
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 4:58 pm 

    I say Alonso and Raikkonen

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  136.   136. Posted By: kova
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:05 pm 

    schumacher and perez

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  137.   137. Posted By: Elie
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:06 pm 

    Vettel & Massa ( as opposed to the other way round)

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  138.   138. Posted By: paxdog57
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:06 pm 

    Glock and Heikki

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  139.   139. Posted By: Garry
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:22 pm 

    Some more numbers:-
    LH was the only driver to reach Q3 for all 20 qualifying sessions.
    Earlier on 6th Nov there was an analysis on where LH lost points. Just for fun this is what the table would look like if all drivers finished the race where they qualified (not including grid penalties), last column is what they actually got.

    LH 346 190
    SV 284 281
    MW 227 179
    JB 185 188
    FA 161 278
    RG 122 96
    KR 121 207
    MS 119 49
    PM 113 45
    NR 99 93
    FM 79 122
    KK 51 60
    SP 39 66
    NH 34 63
    PD 29 46
    DR 9 10
    BS 2 31
    JV 0 16

    Draw from it what you will.

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    James Allen Reply:

    Thanks, that’s very cool.

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    Dave P Reply:

    I would do a similar thing, in that it would be nice to look at how the championship would have panned out if a disaster did not occur. e.g. take vettels likely position if his alternator had not failed, Alonso’s likely position if he had not been crashed into, Hamiltons likely position if he had not been sent to the back of the grid etc… very subjective I know but fun… I think Hamilton would easily be the winner there as well…

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    Antti Reply:

    Of the front runners, Fernando and Kimi show quite a different trend than the others! Of course, if you consistently qualify very well (Lewis and Sebastian), then it’s almost certain that you end up with less points than your quali performances would indicate. Still, shows what good racers Fernando and Kimi are.

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    Yos Reply:

    Very nice info…That shows how mclaren screwed Hamilton’s season, Maldonaldo scratching his head for lost points, Alonso can only be proud of his season,button and vettel almost finished where they started…

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    RudyBB Reply:

    This information is very interesting!!!!
    Lewis leaves McLaren….
    Alonso and Kimi skills….
    Michel and Pastor lack of success…

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    Lawrence Reply:

    Schuey’s stats are interesting. He would have beaten Rosberg and it seems to indicate Rosberg barely moved in the races.

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    Warren Groenewald Reply:

    Wow! If that McLaren was as reliable as it was fast, Hamilton would have obliterated the field this year.

    It’s also interesting that SV, JB and NR have such similar scores to where they started and very much highlights the qualifying weakness of the Ferrari with both drivers scoring higher.

    Maldonado and Grosjean though – hmmmmm.

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    KRB Reply:

    What I draw from it is that this year, unlike 2010 and 2011, the McLaren was faster (relative to the other cars) in qualifying rather than race trim. It was still fast enough in the races that, if it had been as reliable as the Ferrari, then Hamilton would’ve had another two wins (Abu Dhabi and Singapore).

    The lack of relative race pace in Bahrain and Britain still really hurt McLaren … in championships these days, you simply cannot afford to let your competitors pick up good points (10+) while you snag none (or little). What it means is that at the next race you have to bag decent points, plus make up the shortfall from the prior race.

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  140.   140. Posted By: Shane Pinnell
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:22 pm 

    Perez and JEV?

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  141.   141. Posted By: Sasquatsch
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:26 pm 

    I can read the question in various (at least three) ways, so I go for the answer that is not yet given:

    Pic (59), Glock (57)

    when I count all the results, including races where they finished below their starting position and retirements.

    (Otherwise the answer is Verge and Perez when not counting retirements (and races where they finished below their starting position as the third way)

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    Sasquatsch Reply:

    And including all retirements and races where they finished below their starting positions Lewis Hamilton lost the most places (106) :)

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  142.   142. Posted By: vicnsi
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:31 pm 

    Off the top of my I’d say head Alonso and Raikkonen?

    I did build an excel spread sheet made up of 20 worksheets (1 each for all 20 races in 2012), so if I actually took some time to make a full analysis, I would know the definitive correct answer for sure.

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  143.   143. Posted By: vicnsi
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:31 pm 

    Off the top of my head I’d say Alonso and Raikkonen?

    I did build an excel spread sheet made up of 20 worksheets (1 each for all 20 races in 2012), so if I actually took some time to make a full analysis, I would know the definitive correct answer for sure.

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  144.   144. Posted By: Sri
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:46 pm 

    Someone can go to f1.com and do the work if they wan to get the accurate solution. Or better wait for James’ response.

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  145.   145. Posted By: Richard D
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:46 pm 

    Button & Vettel

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  146.   146. Posted By: unF1nnished business
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:46 pm 

    Massa and Perez.

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  147.   147. Posted By: Andy R
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:56 pm 

    The Ferrari Drivers- Alonso and Massa.

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  148.   148. Posted By: Ben Manojlovic
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 5:59 pm 

    ALONSO & GLOCK

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  149.   149. Posted By: Bayan
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:10 pm 

    Alonso and Kimi

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  150.   150. Posted By: Blade Runner
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:16 pm 

    Massa and Alonso

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  151.   151. Posted By: Berty Basset
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:17 pm 

    Massa and Glock

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  152.   152. Posted By: Berty Basset
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:18 pm 

    Alonso and Glock

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  153.   153. Posted By: DB
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:20 pm 

    Has anyone ever completed every lap of a season?

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    Antti Reply:

    Schumacher did once, I believe 2002 (may be wrong about the year).

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    Dave Reply:

    Schumi 2002, Fangio 1954 (Ignoring 500), Hawthorn 53 (Ignoring 500) and you could argue Dan Gurney in 1961. Hill and Clark both came close in 63 and 64 but both had one race where they were classified but had retired

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  154.   154. Posted By: Blade Runner
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:21 pm 

    I think Massa and Alonso

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  155.   155. Posted By: TobyS
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:26 pm 

    http://www.formula1.com/teams_and_drivers/drivers/

    I was looking up the drivers to see who I thought would join Alonso in making up the most laps and I realised that the top 5 drivers directly above their team mates for next year, ie each of the top 5 drivers finished exactly 5 places above next years team mate. Not that exciting I know, but funny to see it in an image.

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  156.   156. Posted By: Derek
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:33 pm 

    Michael and Bruno.

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  157.   157. Posted By: Tornillo Amarillo
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:42 pm 

    Massa and Perez.

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  158.   158. Posted By: Tim
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:47 pm 

    Massa & Vettel

    Tim

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  159.   159. Posted By: Clear View
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:50 pm 

    I would guess it was JB and SV

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  160.   160. Posted By: Paul J
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 6:56 pm 

    Great stats James – really interesting reading.

    Alonso and Senna.

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  161.   161. Posted By: Greg
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 7:05 pm 

    vergne and alonso

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  162.   162. Posted By: Marco Silveira
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 7:10 pm 

    Senna and Glock

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  163.   163. Posted By: Aaron Noronha
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 7:28 pm 

    All overtakes
    1. Sebastian Vettel – 74 on-track overtakes
    1. Mark Webber – 74
    3. Felipe Massa – 65
    4. Lewis Hamilton – 55
    4. Romain Grosjean – 55

    All overtakes, without backmarkers
    Disgarding the overtakes on the teams of HRT, Marussia and Caterham
    1. Sebastian Vettel – 51 on-track overtakes
    2. Lewis Hamilton – 46
    2. Mark Webber – 46
    4. Felipe Massa – 45
    5. Jenson Button – 41

    All overtakes, without backmarkers, with equal tires
    Disgarding the overtakes on the teams of HRT, Marussia and Caterham
    Disgarding overtakes on cars with more than 5 lap older tires
    1. Sebastian Vettel – 29 on-track overtakes
    2. Jenson Button – 26
    3. Mark Webber – 24
    4. Kimi Räikkönen – 23
    4. Felipe Massa – 23

    All overtakes, only on 5 top teams
    Counting only overtakes on the teams of Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus and Mercedes
    1. Sebastian Vettel – 28 on-track overtakes
    2. Lewis Hamilton – 25
    3. Jenson Button – 22
    4. Kimi Räikkönen – 21
    5. Felipe Massa – 16

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    Aaron Noronha Reply:

    I dont take credit for the above stats. I read it on http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=398883&f=1

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    Aaron Noronha Reply:

    But I am sure even after reading it, people will still say Vettel doent know how to overtake

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    strangely Reply:

    great stats. this makes Alonso’s title challenge look even more obscenely unlikely doesn’t it…?

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    Aaron Noronha Reply:

    Of all the stats the last one is very impressive i.e All overtakes, only on 5 top teams
    Counting only overtakes on the teams of Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus and Mercedes. Its show how well Vettle and Hamilton have actually driven this year. So kudos to both of them. Its a pity Hamilton had too many reliability/pitsop/strategy errors.

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    Ral Reply:

    Heh. I was just about to post the same. If that’s the same stats James is going by, the answer is Vettel and Webber.

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  164.   164. Posted By: Martin O'Carroll
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 7:54 pm 

    schumacher and hulkenburg

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  165.   165. Posted By: Aaron Noronha
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 7:58 pm 

    James you should also add a Like and Dislike button so we can agree with someone who is right instead of just posting new post each time. The page would look lot less cluttered.. Maybe keep rename them as Agree and Disagree

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  166.   166. Posted By: Petra
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 8:03 pm 

    Alonso and Senna

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  167.   167. Posted By: Spark
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 8:05 pm 

    Although I think Kimi did an awesome job, there is one person who has raced every single lap of a season. Although, in all fairness, that season there were just 17 races that season.

    It was M. Schumacher who raced 100% of the race laps in 2002. He actually finished all races on the podium.

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  168.   168. Posted By: Hussein Lokhandwala
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 8:05 pm 

    Perez and Massa

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  169.   169. Posted By: Baart1980
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 8:23 pm 

    Massa & Glock ?

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  170.   170. Posted By: DB
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 8:40 pm 

    Hulk and vettel

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  171.   171. Posted By: Peter
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 8:44 pm 

    Alonso and Schumacher

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  172.   172. Posted By: MelB
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 8:45 pm 

    Vettel and Massa

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  173.   173. Posted By: Chris
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 8:52 pm 

    Button and Schumacher?

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  174.   174. Posted By: Tim W
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 9:28 pm 

    Raikkonen and Massa

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  175.   175. Posted By: Deeren Patel
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 9:59 pm 

    Jean Eric Vergne + Alonso

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  176.   176. Posted By: Victor Medina-Leal
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 10:09 pm 

    Glock and Massa

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  177.   177. Posted By: Erik
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 10:12 pm 

    I really do hope that someone sorts out the Malaysian GP for next year. That timeslot at that time of year is just asking for monsoon rain. Come on F1, no one wants to sit about waiting for the race to start, we all have stuff to do!

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  178.   178. Posted By: PWRocketS
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 10:42 pm 

    Schumacher & Massa

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  179.   179. Posted By: M. Yoon
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:00 pm 

    Schumacher and Kamui

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  180.   180. Posted By: Marcus
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:01 pm 

    Massa and Perez

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  181.   181. Posted By: Sam B
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:10 pm 

    Alonso and Senna

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  182.   182. Posted By: Dave
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:27 pm 

    Glock and Vergne gained the most

    Button and Hamilton lost the most over the whole season I think

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    Dave Reply:

    along with Maldanado

    If not Glock then Petrov, Pic or Perez

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  183.   183. Posted By: Matt
        Date: December 4th, 2012 @ 11:41 pm 

    Raikkonen and Glock

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  184.   184. Posted By: Lawrence
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 12:03 am 

    Big response! :) I reckon Vettel and Webber.

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  185.   185. Posted By: Lawrence
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 12:04 am 

    I didn’t even see that table above. Still not sure if my answer is accurate though. Anyhoo …

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  186.   186. Posted By: 5reasonreviews.com
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 12:05 am 

    Very interesting re Webber not being able to win from a position below 3rd.

    I would suggest though that often this is because he is below his team mate.

    My guess for the comp would be Button and Perez

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  187.   187. Posted By: john
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 12:08 am 

    Alonso and paul di resta

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  188.   188. Posted By: Chromatic
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 12:55 am 

    Massa and Schumacher

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  189.   189. Posted By: Karen
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 1:14 am 

    Seb Vettel & Mark Webber

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  190.   190. Posted By: Lynn
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 1:37 am 

    What’s the answer James?

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  191.   191. Posted By: Gate 21
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 2:04 am 

    Massa & Glock

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  192.   192. Posted By: Guest BT
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 3:06 am 

    Massa and Perez!

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  193.   193. Posted By: Sam
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 3:24 am 

    Massa and Vettel

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  194.   194. Posted By: stephan
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 4:14 am 

    Massa and Button as they started out of position so often

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  195.   195. Posted By: Robert
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 4:57 am 

    Button and Perez

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  196.   196. Posted By: Ashwin
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 5:36 am 

    Massa and Alonso

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  197.   197. Posted By: kfzmeister
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 5:46 am 

    Glock and Massa

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  198.   198. Posted By: Matthew
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 5:55 am 

    Probably already guessed, but I’ll say Massa and Vergne were the two.

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  199.   199. Posted By: Allwyn
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 6:52 am 

    heikki kovalainen and naren karthikeyan

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  200.   200. Posted By: Ken
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 7:28 am 

    Alonso and Perez

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  201.   201. Posted By: Chapor
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 8:39 am 

    Perez and Vergne… Got the answer yesterday, but then I saw a comment with the correct answer already… So that kinda burst my bubble… :-( How about a random winner selection process next time James? :-)

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  202.   202. Posted By: baz
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 9:15 am 

    kobayashi and alonso

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  203.   203. Posted By: Gary Neville
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 9:16 am 

    My guess is: Alonso & Perez

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  204.   204. Posted By: cookie
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 9:16 am 

    massa and Alonso

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  205.   205. Posted By: Elie
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 9:56 am 

    Ok James let us have it

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  206.   206. Posted By: Geoff
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 10:40 am 

    Alonso and Raikkenon

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  207.   207. Posted By: Ryan Eckford
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 11:37 am 

    Alonso and Massa

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  208.   208. Posted By: Deeren Patel
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 12:16 pm 

    Vettel and Webber

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  209.   209. Posted By: David White
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 1:38 pm 

    Senna and Ricciardo

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  210.   210. Posted By: Steve Boden
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 1:54 pm 

    Senna and Perez

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  211.   211. Posted By: Isaac
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 2:53 pm 

    Massa and Perez?

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  212.   212. Posted By: bichard
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 4:19 pm 

    kimi and Alonso

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  213.   213. Posted By: Anup Kadam
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 4:22 pm 

    Jean Eric Vergne and Felipe Massa

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  214.   214. Posted By: Ahmed
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 6:37 pm 

    Massa and Schumacher

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  215.   215. Posted By: Hmm..
        Date: December 5th, 2012 @ 10:04 pm 

    72 places in 20 races is an average of 3.6 places for every race. It has to be the bottom end, because only they gain those places reliably as others retire. To put that to perspective, a top driver would have start at end of the three times and finish near podium to get anywhere near that number.
    Well, okay, I suppose some middle-tier driver could qualify reliably at 10+ and drive to points.

    Anyway, could be Glock, but I’d say Kovalainen and Petrov, because Glock and Heikki was said already. Kovalainen started almost always at 19 and Petrov at 20.

    James, will you close the thread and tell the correct answer when appropriate?

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  216.   216. Posted By: Mial Pagan
        Date: December 6th, 2012 @ 9:50 am 

    Schumacher and Vettel

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  217.   217. Posted By: bertone
        Date: December 6th, 2012 @ 3:46 pm 

    Pérez 80, Vergne 79 poz.

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  218.   218. Posted By: Chris
        Date: December 6th, 2012 @ 10:20 pm 

    Massa and Glock

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  219.   219. Posted By: Jay Bopara
        Date: December 7th, 2012 @ 3:00 am 

    What happened to my post?
    I wrote Vergne and Perez. And talked about how I was right, but I wouldn’t get the prize.
    What happened to my comment? Was I censored or am I missing something?
    Thanks.

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