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Posted By: James Allen  |  24 Jun 2012   |  3:04 pm GMT  |  490 comments

Fernando Alonso became the first two time race winner in 2012 with a stunning victory in the European Grand Prix.

It was a very valuable win as both his main title contenders did not score points; Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel both fell by the wayside, giving Alonso the chance to open up a relatively big points lead. He has 111 points with Webber on 91, Hamilton on 88 and Vettel on 85.

After a dramatic final dash to the line, the two comeback kings got great results; Kimi Raikkonen finished second ahead of Michael Schumacher. It was Schumacher’s 155th podium and the first of his three year comeback.

Starting 11th on the grid, but with the advantage of new tyres saved from missing Q3 yesterday, Alonso gained three places off the start line, fought his way through the field in the opening stint, took the opportunity offered to him by another pit stop problem for McLaren to pass Hamilton. He passed Grosjean for second place then took the lead just after half way through the race.

The race looked to be Sebastian Vettel’s for the taking, the only time he had any company all afternoon was at the start and then mid-race, when the safety car was deployed.

But Vettel pulled off the track soon after the restart and into retirement.

“Difficult to express the feeling, winning a home Grand Prix, ” said Alonso. “It’s unique. To win here in Valencia with this special team, I’m feeling very proud to be a Spanish sportsman. It’s probably my most special victory.

“Yesterday we had a tough moment, we were sad not being in Q3, but we didn’t give up. Anything can happen, today we had an amazing race a good start, 6 or 7 overtakings. We have to enjoy this.”

On the grid, Schumacher, Webber, Perez and Vergne went for the medium tyres, a clear indication that they were planning a one stop strategy. But their decision to pull out of this and switch to two stops late in the race gave Webber and Schumacher great results.

At the start, Vettel got away well, with Hamilton in second, but Grosjean squeezed past Maldonado for third place. Button lost four places to 13th and Rosberg fell to 11th.

Grosjean attacked Hamilton, while Raikkonen had a go at passing Maldonado for fourth, the Finn went off the track but couldn’t get past.

Vettel put in a very strong opening couple of laps to be well clear of the DRS zone by the end of lap two and after seven laps he had an eight second lead over Hamilton.

With Grosjean feeling that he was losing time behind Hamilton, Lotus needed to review their strategy options. But Grosjean passed Hamilton for second place on lap 11 and set off after Vettel. Grosjean’s pass was around the outside after the DRS zone. Grosjean dropped Hamilton by almost two seconds on the first lap in clear air.

Kobayashi had got himself up to fourth place, while both Ferraris gained three places from their grid slot, with Alonso eighth in the opening stint and Massa 10th.

Raikkonen passed Maldonado on lap 13 for 5th place, a great move around the outside again. Both Lotus drivers were very committed in their moves.

Hamilton pitted for mediums, while the other front runners mainly went for another set of softs. Hamilton was suffering from overheating tyres.

Alonso rose to 3rd before his pit stop and he rejoined 9th, just ahead of Raikkonen, who had been two places ahead of him in the opening stint. Alonso passed Webber and then Alonso and Schumacher had a great battle, the Spaniard squeezing past on lap 19 using the extra grip of the new tyres.

Kobayashi made contact with Senna as he tried to come through on new tyres, it put Senna into a spin and Kobayashi needed a new nose.

On lap 24 Di Resta pitted for a set of medium tyres and rejoined 14th.

The top three cars were very spread out with Vettel over 20 seconds clear of Grosjean, who was almost 10 seconds clear of Hamilton. Approaching half distance Alonso started to reel in Hamilton.

On lap 29 the safety car was deployed for debris on the track from an incident between Vergne and Kovalainen. Grosjean, Alonso, Raikkonen and Hulkenberg pitted immediately. Hamilton had a problem with a front jack and another long stop meant that Alonso passed him, as did Raikkonen. Hamilton dropped to sixth place.

Vettel pitted a lap later and rejoined in the lead. Now all the front runners were on the same medium tyres of the same age, which threatened to take away from the drama of the final laps on varying tyres. Although Daniel Ricciardo kept the interest alive by staying out on very worn soft tyres after the restart.

At the restart Alonso forced his way past Grosjean for P2, a move which turned out to be a very important move as a few moments later Vettel pulled off the track with no drive to retire, leaving Alonso in the race lead. An overheating alternator was blamed for the retirement.

But Grosjean hadn’t given up on the idea of a race win. lap after lap he stayed with him, matching his lap times and biding his time.

Mark Webber had climbed to sixth, but in a few corners on lap 37 was passed by Maldonado, Hulkenberg and Di Resta. He was another driver who made a late second stop for soft tyres and made great use of them; ending up fourth, from 19th on the grid.

The stewards investigated Hamilton for passing under yellow flags, but cleared him. However they penalised Kobayashi for a collision with Massa, five grid places at the next race.

On lap 41 Grosjean pulled off the race track into retirement, leaving Hamilton in second place and Raikkonen third with Maldonado and Hulkenberg giving chase.

With 12 laps to go, the top three started to close up; Raikkonen was told that if he could get ahead of Hamilton he’d have a chance of winning as Lotus expected the Ferrari to struggle on the tyres at the end.

In the closing stages Di Resta on his one stop strategy was vulnerable as Schumacher and Webber went past him on fresher tyres. Schumacher had been trying to do one stop, but a late stop for soft tyres gave him a chance to attack in the closing stages.

Raikkonen attacked Hamilton with two laps to go and passed him for second place. Maldonado tried to follow the Finn, but Hamilton defended robustly despite rapidly fading rear tyres.

Hamilton refused to allow Maldonado through and as he resisted he and Maldonado collided, Maldonado coming back from outside the race track, in a move most commentators saw as Maldonado’s fault – putting Hamilton out of the race. The enmity between the two from last year was clear to see and won’t have been improved by this incident.

Maldonado saw it as Hamilton’s fault, “He tried to put me off the track,” he said. “He didn’t leave any room for me to stay on and do the corner side by side. I jumped over the kerb and I couldn’t avoid the accident. I don’t know why he drove like that. He was struggling too much with the tyres. He was completely lost and at that moment I was getting very good pace. He tried a very aggressive move on me.”

This allowed Schumacher to come through to take his first podium of the comeback.

Hulkenberg finished fifth, despite not having KERS from lap seven, which is quite an achievement when considering how important KERS is in both passing and defending.

EUROPEAN GRAND PRIX, Valencia, 57 laps
1. Alonso Ferrari 1h44:16.449
2. Raikkonen Lotus + 6.421
3. Schumacher Mercedes + 12.639
4. Webber Red Bull + 13.628
5. Hulkenberg Force India + 19.993
6. Rosberg Mercedes + 21.176
7. Di Resta Force India + 22.886
8. Button McLaren + 24.653
9. Perez Sauber + 27.777
10. Maldonado Williams + 34.630
11. Senna Williams + 35.900
12. Ricciardo Toro Rosso + 37.000
13. Petrov Caterham + 1:15.871
14. Kovalainen Caterham + 1:34.654
15. Pic Marussia + 1:36.565
16. Massa Ferrari + 1 lap
17. De la Rosa HRT + 1 lap
18. Karthikeyan HRT + 1 lap
19. Hamilton McLaren + 2 laps

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  1. I said this in your thing a while ago. Fernando, YES! The perfect podium, past and present Ferrari drivers, I have being waiting for this all season. YES YES YES!

    1. Wayne says:

      Alonso’s drive was, for me, the best drive I have seen from him or anyone else this year. Bravo sir!

      As a vetran Hamilton fan, i’m gutted for him and furious with Maldonaldo, he had an option to turn left as DC said and instead decided to have an accident. Maldonaldo does not have the manners for modern day F1. He radiates agression in a very negative and unsportsman-like way in my uninformed opinion.

      1. gudien says:

        Two wrongs (Maldonado and Hamilton) don’t make a right.

      2. Wayne says:

        err… that’s fine then because there was only one wrong. Is anyone seriously going to suggest that it’s ok to drive straight back onto the track and into another car, regardless of why thye are off the track?

      3. Alam Z says:

        Yes but 3 rights do make a left!

      4. LeeF1Nut says:

        Totally agree!

      5. Wayne says:

        But it was not Maldonaldo that cost Hamilton the win, it was how own pit team yet again. Had they not decided to film another episode of carry-on Piting, Hamilton would have been ahead of Alonso and inherited the race win (he was ahead beofore the latest bungling.

        At some point the man at the top has to take responsibility. The man at the top is Whitmnarsh. The team may well have lost it for Hamilton already? What is the point of the driver coming back stronger than ever if the team are so far below par?

      6. Cliff says:

        You could also argue that Hamilton’s tyres went off at such a speed that he would have struggled to hold Alonso off. Running out front would have helped the situation, but in truth the McLaren never got close to Alonso and then he was unable to hold on to second place.

      7. Dave C says:

        Actually Hamilton could not havewon the race under any circumstances, even Schumacher and Webber might have got him on the final lap, Alonso was reeling him in just before the safety car, obviously Vettel and Grosjean would have easily beaten him and coz of his tyre issues Maldonado would have beaten him and also Kobayashi if it wasn’t for Senna, and Raikkonen beat him fair and square on the track, if anything cost Hamilton today was his lack of pace.

      8. Bunsy says:

        Yes Lewis would have inherited the lead. But did you see how his tyres fell away 2 laps from the end? After Seb and Romain retired, it was either going to be Fernando or Kimi for the win.

      9. Stickymart says:

        I can’t agree more. Hamilton is driving superbly this season and Mclaren are failing to support him as a top team should. Look at Alonso, he’s also driving superbly but the key difference is that Ferrari as a team are performing magnificently. with teh exception of the gamble at Canada, they are taking a few calculated risks and it’s paying off. Mclaren are just making silly mistakes.

      10. Wayne says:

        Dave C etc – The tyre argument does not hold true. Leading a race put’s different demmands on the tyres than following or defending. There is no way to say Hamilton could not have won that race as he would have been driving in a different position with different priorities.

      11. Peter C says:

        Roy Hodgson for McL manager. He’s working on penalties.

      12. Kevin says:

        Agreed… He should have had a penalty for next race

      13. Fareed says:

        Something seriously wrong with Maldonado’s attitude I think. Other drivers make errors leading to contact, but they are honest mistakes. Maldonado has a history of deliberately turning into people. I think it was in FP3 in Monaco where he deliberately turned into Perez- I think he was penalized? And then last year – I can’t remember the race – it really looked like he turned into Hamilton on purpose out of anger right after they had an on-track incident. And now this- he was angry that Hamilton pushed him off track so he barged right into him.

      14. Romeo - MEX in USA. says:

        YES – MALDONADO IS DANGEROUS. 20 seconds penalty !?!?!?!? Toro Rosso’s Jean-Eric Vergne and Sauber’s Kamui Kobayashi were not so fortunate, however, after they were adjudged to have been the guilty parties in separate collisions and given ten and five-place grid penalties for the British GP respectively.

      15. Firstly, last year at Monaco it was Hamilton turning into Maldanado, with agreeance from the stewards and a just penalty to Lewis.
        However, this time, yes, I believe Maldanado was probably to blame for the incident, although Lewis could have left him the room, as it was pointless Lewis fighting for it as he would only lose it the following lap. But saying this is terribly wrong, Maldanado did not deliberetely crash into Lewis, there was no where else for him to go after he had made the decision, he tried to turned left, but the curbs were just too high and the floor of the car got stuck on them and threw him in a straight line.
        In simple terms, Maldanado has had some good races, and like all drivers, has made some mistakes, he will learn from these and mature greatly, like Lewis has done over the last 12 months.

      16. Nathan Jones says:

        Phil Maddocks, you’re getting confused with two different incidents. Fareed is refering to the incident at Spa, where Maldonado pole-axed Hamilton. Very deliberate and very obvious.

        There’s plenty of calculated nastiness in F1, I’m sure, but you don’t see road rage with anyone other than young Maldo.

        I think it is because his backers provide so much of Williams’s funding that he feels he owns the team – or at least owns the car he drives. We all know that Williams had severe funding issues, so he’s in a powerful position versus Frank.

      17. sagi58 says:

        Oh, the irony of it all!!

        EVERY SINGLE comment being made about Maldonado and his comportment towards Hamilton, the “innocent” is EXACTLY the same as those being made about Hamilton last year.

        Of course, where Hamilton fans were defending his “aggressive driving style” last year, in effect forgiving him, this year they are the first to condemn Maldonado for making the same moves against Hamilton.

        As “they” say, what goes around, comes around!!

      18. Please!! If the same thing happened with Maldonado on the inside and Hamilton on the outside all you guys would have been pissed that Maldonado did not give Hamilton room even though he got his nose in front before the corner. Hamilton gave Kimi enough room to go race in the exact same corner, but he drove Maldonado off the track.

        Maldonado did the same thing to Kimi a couple of times during the race where he did not give him enough room, so he deserved it, but seriously Hamilton should have left Maldonado enough room to make the corner and shouldnt have pushed him out.

        I am not a big fan of Pastor, but he was my hero for taking Hamilton out the way he did!!!! Result – Alo, Rai, MSc – Couldnt get better

      19. Wayne says:

        He is your hero for taking a driver out? That sort of comment rarely gets any air-time on this website. It is a ridiculous thing to say. No F1 fan wants to see a driver ‘taken out’, and that goes for all the drivers.

        I am a long time Hamilton fan but Alosno drove brilliantly to win. I am not keen on Vettel but I would never want to see him taken out of the race, never, for any reason. It’s dangerous for a start!

      20. I don’t condone taking a driver out intentionally and I don’t think that pastor did so in this case. He was shoved onto the kerb and any racing driver would keep his foot down if he was forced onto painted or not so grippy Tarmac off the track just as Hamilton did in Bahrain.

        If nico hadn’t moved Hamilton would have taken him out in that situation and again here I don’t mean he would have “intentionally” taken him out but that is what we would have ended up with with both cars out of the race or substantial damage at least.

      21. Romeo - MEX in USA. says:

        Seriously ??? What world are you in ?? This is no MAD MAX. I am not a Hamilton but I am a F1 fan. Dammed Hugo Chavez.

      22. Wayne says:

        Quote 1: “I am not a big fan of Pastor, but he was my hero for taking Hamilton out the way he did!!!”

        Quote 2: “I don’t condone taking a driver out intentionally”.

        See what you did there? What did Maldonaldo think would happen when his car hit Hamilton’s? Because he did know he was about to hit him.

      23. If pastor was so sure he was going to hit Hamilton he most definitely knew he would take substantial damage as well and I don’t think he wanted to lose out on a sure fire 3rd or 4th place even. Maybe the rules need to be tweaked like in gp2 where even if just the front wing of another car is alongside, you have to leave him enough room. You should be allowed to block but when the car is still behind you, not when he is alongside and is about to pass you. In this case, Maldonado was ahead of Hamilton just before they turned into the corner.

      24. video of romain overtaking lewis :

        video of pastor overtaking lewis :

        onboard video of pastor overtaking lewis (pastor never turns into lewis):

      25. Nathan Jones says:

        Mate, I think you got lost on your way over to

        My hero for taking another driver out? There’s partisan and then there’s just tribal.

      26. KGBVD says:

        Maldonado is still in his 2nd season, a rookie. If Senna or Ricciardo made the mistake, people would be a lot harsher on Hamilton for not being more careful around a rookie. (But I do agree with others that if positions were reversed, the Our-Hammy-Brigade would still be fuming at Pastor).

        And that’s the point: he’s a rookie. He still makes mistakes, and he is still learning.

        Even the most experienced drivers have made seriously dangerous moves and questionable decisions– from Alonso ignoring the yellows after Web’s accident in Brazil (and having an even bigger accident) to Schumi vs JV (1997) or vs RB at Hungary.

        The guy is talented, and massively backed. He’ll be around forever. But hey, every spot needs a villain! (It’s just surprising that Pastor looks the part so well!)

    2. alan marsh says:

      What about leaving a ferrari out on track . Stewards opinion ?

      1. It has been done many a time by drivers, and will be done many time again, often because of not enough fuel, but that means it was perfectly done by the team, surely?

      2. Optimaximal says:

        After the race is over, there’s no specific rule mandating return to parc ferme. There just needs to be enough fuel for the required sample, which is why we frequently see people stopping o track.

      3. alan marsh says:

        Wasn’t that many races ago Hamilton did the same in q3 for pole , and he was penalized , i recall excluded , at lest from that session ?
        Wasnt fuelled for the trip. Lucky for Alonso there was two safety cars or he would not have made chequed flag.Great drive though. Deserved WIN !!

      4. Nando says:

        The rule is the same at the end of the race as at any other time in the event, the car must have enough fuel to get back the pits.
        It’s likely, but not explicitly in the rules, that a car running out of fuel after the flag will get away with it under the force majuere exception.

      5. Phill says:

        There is no rule they must get back after the race, you can often see cara stopping at the end of the pit lane so they can be pushed back as they would not make it. Plus, it has not been released why alonso stopped exactly, it may not have been a fuel issue.
        Alonso ran a brilliant race, and has been the most consistent and well deserving of this 2nd win out of all the drivers, so I don’t think anyone should try and accuse him of cheating now. Hamilton was in a different scenario completely, so they cannot be compared.

      6. mikee says:

        James can you help here
        just to clear up this confusion
        you only need the fuel after qualifying
        once race has started parcfurme has finished the only rule applying after race is car weight and besides he finished all the laps on the race and brokdown halfway back
        so he had fuel for the entire race distance
        so no conspircies please he won because he finished first
        another note though
        Vettle was leading and lost cos of breakdown
        but with 20 or so laps to go he might have got beat by Alnso in the end
        highly unlickly I know but those final set of tyres might not have been as good as the first and 2nd set
        James to you if you please

      7. James Allen says:

        Yes, there’s no problem with breaking down after the race, as long as he has enough fuel for FIA checks.

        I doubt Alo would have caught Vettel, to be honest. The Red Bull was too fast and the strategy was perfect

      8. Quercus says:

        I was wondering the same myself. I seem to remember at the Spanish GP that Hamilton was penalised for running out of fuel on the slowing down lap. So why did Alonso stop and, if he ran out of fuel, shouldn’t he be penalised?

        Note that I think Alonso drove an outstanding
        race today and he gets my vote for driver of the day, so the comment is about fairness not favouritism.

      9. hero_was_senna says:

        I think it’s to do with Hamilton stopping during qualifying, when a team could light-fuel a car for an advantage.

        In the race, cars have a maximum limit for fuel available but they put less in for competitiveness.
        The goal is to finish the race.
        There has been times in the last 2 seasons that Button and Vettel have stopped just after the finish line.

      10. Alberto says:

        Alonso said in press conference that they had a problem with the car, although I dont believe that.

        What I do know is that is has been done many times in the race and not penalized, but Ive never seen it in Q3 until Hamilton did it back in barcelona.

      11. Pman says:

        I don’t remember him saying he ran out of fuel?
        I believe he said that there was a “problem” with the car.
        Anyway there is a huge difference between qualifying and the end of the race: You can stop in a place and do a Monaco-Schumacher attempt at preventing someone from going pole.

      12. Kay says:

        Hamilton’s was in Q3 where cars gotta return to Parc Ferme. Alonso’s was at the end of the race.

        Strange rules I know, but then there you go lol.

      13. MikeyB says:

        Alonso said afterwards that he was told to stop for a problem – it wasn’t a shortage of fuel.

      14. Doobs says:

        The getting back to pits with 1L fuel thing only applies in Quali I think

      15. Ino says:

        The rules are actually different between any practice session (inc. quali) and the race. The rule is that the cars are required to go back to the pits and provide a sample after every practice session, and quali is considered a practice session. No such rule about the race.

      16. g says:

        when a driver wins a race he is supposed to go straight the the scales to be weighed and not supposed to come into contact with any other team member incase they add weight to the driver however alonso not only stopped on track and didn’t make it back to poarc ferme he came into contact with other people and was able if needed to pick up extra weight from the track its 1 rule for 1 and any thing goes for ferrari as ever alonso should have had the race win taken off him

      17. Puffing says:

        To all of you: please see below answers to post #25.

    3. Onko says:

      One may not like Alonso,one may not like his
      team,but which ever way you slice it he is
      simply the best on the GRID period.
      as for Mr Marsh remark if would be best to
      get of the grass.
      HE PASSED the chequered flag

      1. KRB says:

        Stats to date

        Podiums: FA4,LH4,KR3,SV2,NR2,RG2,JB2,SP2,MW1,PM1,MS1

        Points Finishes (4+): FA8,MW7,LH7,KR7,SV6,NR6,PdR5,RG4,KK4,JB4,NH4,BS4

        Longest podium streak (season): LH3,FA2,KR2

        Current podium streak: FA1,KR1,MS1

        Longest points finish streak (season)(3+): FA8,LH7,NR6,SV5,KR5,MW4,RG3,MW3

        Current points finish streaks: FA8,NR6,KR5,MW3,SP2,JB1,PdR1,MS1,NH1,BS1

        Retirements (not classified)(3+): MS5,RG4,KK3,CP3

    4. Don Farrell says:


      1. Eoin Leonard says:

        It’s only in quali that your car must make it back to the pits without aid.

  2. Sebee says:

    Good old school unexpected dramatic car or engine failure.

    Unfortunate for Vettel, but I’ve missed those. These cars are almost too reliable sometimes.

    1. Morten says:

      I must say I’m with you on that one. Am essentially missing refueling and tire-war as well.

      1. Sebee says:

        To a racing fan watching, is there a more crushing moment than seeing your driver retire from a dominating lead due to technical issue? It’s just one of the emotions motor racing serves up. And we have not had it served up in a long while. I just wanted to point that out.

      2. Morten says:

        That’s the very reason – and you put it so well – I’m missing engine failure retirements as well, I should have pointed that out. That I’m missing refuelling and tire-wars as well was sort of irrelevant to your original comment, sorry bout that.

      3. Pman says:

        I think McLaren is quite happy with just the tire changes….since they cannot even handle that

      4. James Clayton says:

        Refuelling would give them more time to change the tyres ;)

      5. Gerry mc says:

        Schumacher didn’t miss them problems all season. It’s how f1 shud be.

      6. Mike says:

        I’m not missing refueling at all. Back then strategies were more or less fixed on Saturday. Now drivers and teams can and must be flexible. Then virtually no passing was done on track as the drivers would simply wait for the fuel strategies to work through and any passing was done in the pistop stage. Now there is much more incentive to make the pass on the track.Then there was no competition at pit stops as the time the cars was stopped was fixed by refuelling time, not the pit crews’ skill in changing tires as quicly as possible.

        However, I would like to see changes to the Pirellis- tires gowing off a cliff is not a great spectical as the driver really has no chance to defend when it happens. So make them wear more evenly, and let drivers make a choice about making more or fewer stops and have a chance to make it work, rather than having no idea when and if the cliff will be reached.

      7. Morten says:

        I’m right there with you about the tires -

        - it’s rather turning me off from F1 to see overtakes on defenseless drivers. I wish to see drivers competing at the very best of their abilities, not hindered by having to nurse their equipment along.

    2. Rishi says:

      The interesting thing was, it wasn’t exactly a high attrition race. Plenty of cars finished, but the retirements included a lot of the frontrunners, including the unexpected reliability problems of Vettel and Romain Grosjean, as you mentioned.

    3. Trent says:

      I’ve just been thinking the same thing. Is too much reliability a bad thing? I think it can be. An unexpected car failure can inject a shot of drama into a race like nothing else.

      Think of Senna at Monza in ’89, or Hill at Hungary in ’97. This is a bit of theatre that maybe has no equivalent in other sports.

      1. Sebee says:

        Think Schumi Suzuka 2006 – for the championship!

  3. Phils says:

    What race, neither of my guys won (both DNF’d) but I can’t help but be happy from this result. What a great day for Spain!

    1. olivier says:

      … and I wasn’t even planning to watch this race. I’m glad I did. What a beautiful day! Both for Alonso & Schumi!

      Michael, Spa is waiting for you! The battle of the Ardennes is gonna be awesome between Michael and Kimi!

      1. Dave C says:

        Getting ahead of yourself, right now Kimi and Michael are struggling even against their uninspiring team mates, maybe they are over the hill now, at Spa if it’s cool then a 3 way Vettel Alonso Hamilton battle will be on the cards.

      2. hero_was_senna says:

        Let me get this right, 1 podium after 2 seasons and 8 races this year, and now he’s going to be racing for a win in Spa?? I’d offer odds for that one…

      3. Blake S says:

        Yeah, truly beautiful – from a racing point of view – to see Alonso, Kimi and Schumi on the podium, for once Michael had things go his way since his return.

        As for Spa, I really hope Schumi has a great race – although I’m an Alonso fan – as I will be going to the Belgian GP this year, my first ever experience at a race.

        Going to be a Hell of a race, let alone season.

      4. +1. Cant wait for Spa.

  4. Antti says:

    I think the incident between Lewis and Pastor shows the difference in mentality between “older” drivers and newer drivers. A lap earlier, Kimi had a chance to overtake Lewis in the exactly the way Pastor did a lap later, but instead of forcing himself past Lewis, he gave him room at that point and overtook him a couple of corners later, respecting the fellow driver. Pastor had no such respect for Lewis and consequently destroyed both his own and Lewis’ race.

    1. jed says:

      This was the fault of lewis. It was very clear that lewis purposely tried to put maldonado off the track instead of leaving him room, look at the hand movement of lewis, it is very clear. In the kimi incident lewis left room and kimi chose to wait. In the maldonado incident lewis did not leave room and puposely tried to push maldonado out of the track making a collision inevitable

      1. Phil Snell says:

        I’m sorry Jed, but completely disagree. Everyone, all throughout the race, were taking the racing line and forcing people who were trying to overtake to back out of the move. Lewis did nothing different and Maldonado, instead of backing out drove straight into the side of Hamilton from being 4 wheels off the track!

        Lewis has been at fault in the past but not this time

      2. KGBVD says:

        Disagree, Lewis gave Romain room, but none for Pastor after the red-mist descended.

        When being overtaken, a driver must leave a cars space between him and the white line (regardless of the racing line). That’s a stupid rule, but it’s the same for everyone and fully applies in this situation, as Lewis took his normal racing line through the corner, he cut across Pastor (who was alongside entering the corner) and didn’t leave and room, forcing Pastor off the track.

        That Pastor tried to regain and ploughed into the side of Lewis is beside the point (rookie anger).

        The penalty is appropriate as the his was off the track because of Lewis’ actions (and deference to the stupid rule).

      3. B.Diddy says:

        @ Jed that’s absolutely ridiculous to blame Lewis if Maldanado had any sense he would have backed out of that move and pass Lewis later in the lap… Maldanado was off the track the rules do say you can’t impede another driver when rejoining the track… Maldanado has had plenty of classless moves and never takes responsibility for his mistakes he’s a maniac

      4. Elie says:

        You’ve got to be kidding ! Lewis left him room going in then Pastor tried to squeeze through on the inside over the kerb. That was just not on. Then he had the option to pull in alongside or behind, but instead aggressively take the lead from off the track- clear as day – Stupid!!

      5. Andrew M says:

        Sorry, but that’s just not true. Whether you think Lewis was right or wrong in leaving enough space (I think he had the corner and left enough room, but who knows what the stewards think), you can’t drive off the circuit and come back onto it at a 90% angle like Maldonado did. He could have braked or turned left, instead he just drove into an inevitable accident. He should get the same punishment as Vergne for the next race.

        At the end of the day though, it doesn’t matter what happens – the damage has been done and Alonso will get maximum reward for probably the drive of the season so far, Vettel’s retirement notwithstanding.

      6. Morten says:

        That is your opinion, Sir, and you’re entitled to it, but let me say that I’m much opposed to it and so seems the majority.

      7. phishbone says:

        Err…watch again. Maldonado was already off the track when he drove into Lewis.

      8. Craig D says:

        Lewis was ahead in the corner, he didn’t need to leave room. Pastor should have backed out and cut the chicane. He wasn’t ahead enough to allow himself to get alongside on the outside going through the corner.

        I think with Kimi, he was further ahead going into the corner.

        Lewis maybe could have been more pragmatic but I don’t think he would have expected Pastor to continue trying to drive around him after going off the track!

      9. Alberto says:

        I support Jed on his opinion. Maldonado was clearly faster than Lewis and he had the outside line and he could of easily took the corner but Lewis pushed him out of the track, if you see the replay Hamilton took a much wider apex than older entries into the same corner. After Maldonado was off the track, Lewis didnt give him room to rejoin the track and it was Maldonado’s fault the crash with Hamilton, but all the incident was originated by Hamilton.
        As you guys are all british and blind Hamilton fans sometimes I doubt your judgement, but anyways I watched the replays manytimes and thats my belief.

      10. remengo says:

        I believe both of them are guilty, they seem bot quite childish, Maldonado didn’t need to force the overtaking there as he was much faster, could have overtaken Hamilton few kerbs ahead, and Hamilton which was much slower could have let him go, as Alonso did in Canada with few more drivers(far more clever!!)

      11. Randy Torres says:

        Well I guess the stewards sorted this one out! Fior what its worth both David Hobbs and Steve Matchett on Speed felt that it was Hamilton in the wrong. I tend to agree and let’s face it Hamilton ain’t no angel. Either way who cares FORZA Ferrari baby! Ah, y viva Alonso c@r@jo!

      12. I have to disagree, I have watched the replay a number of times and Maldonado had, at the very least, a majority of his car alongside Hamilton. According to the interpretation of the rules by Charlie Whiting, when you find yourself in this situation you must leave room for your opponent.

        Hamilton pushed Maldonado off the track, that was most certainly Hamilton’s fault.

        Maldonado did come back to the track in an unsafe manner, that was Maldonado’s fault, but I think he may have an argument that he didn’t have time to react (not saying it is a 100% valid argument, just a plausible one).

        Now comes the tricky part… Does Maldonado let another driver do that to him? Does a young driver, trying to assert himself in F1 let Hamilton push him around? Of course not! Even if Maldonado is handed a penalty in the next race for coming back on the track in an unsafe manner it was worth it for him. He has put everyone on notice that he won’t be pushed around on track.

      13. James Allen says:

        Yes, but he was off the track….

      14. Peter C says:

        Not until he was pushed wide……..Oh sorry, JOKE!

      15. jed says:

        Excellent observation shane. The is a legal maxim of spanish origin which says “he who is the cause of the cause of the evil caused is the cause of the evil caused” The root cause of the accident was lewis putting maldonando off the track, maldonado could have kept his line in the track and the collision would have happened, he chose to avoid it at that instance, but as he re-entered he seems to have wanted hamilton to give him room which hamilton did not(hamilton was well within ihis rights not to at that point), Therefore looking at the collision in itself it would look like maldonandos fault, but this whole thing started earlier in the corner where hamilton pushed maldonado out of the track, thus, a big part of the blame should go to hamilton.

      16. KGBVD says:


        The letter of the rules cannot be disregarded. Pastor was alongside, then Lewis took the line, pushing Pastor off (NOT leaving the 1 car width).

        Both should have been more patient. But the 1-car-width-rule has made this a racing incident, rather than a something egregious.

    2. kp says:

      Poor Hamilton. Another catastrophe. Reminds me so much of Andy Murray he must have a lot of Scottish blood in him.

      1. KGBVD says:

        Like Murray in that he can’t keep his head and makes mistakes because of it?

    3. Dan Orsino says:

      Pastor seems to react to anyone coming past by driving into them. We’ve seen it time and again. Kimi could see he was about to do that at the start and backed off: it could have been the first race incident with both of them off.
      Smart of Kimi to let him go, although that gave Grosjean space to move ahead.
      I recall Grosjean not being that smart couple of races back and as a result, he and Mal had an early bath and 0 points.

      1. Mitchel says:


      2. Romeo - MEX in USA. says:


      3. Peter C says:

        ‘Pastor seems to react to anyone coming past’…..

        Coming past????

    4. jeff says:

      I’m a fan of Lewis, but I have to lay the blame for that one at his feet. He could have walked from that race with 4th place, but instead got zero. Robust defending is one thing, but he didn’t leave Pastor enough room, forcing him into the situation which ended up with Lewis in the wall.

      After stating several times that consistency will win the championship, this was a clear case of the red mist descending over his eyes.

      As for the failure of Seb’s Red Bull with its floor and audibly off throttle blowing [mod] engine, all I can say is “Sometimes, Karma is a bitch.”

      1. Spinodontosaurus says:

        Maldonado could have braked, or heaven forbid turned left, after being squeezed off the track. Instead, he ACCELERATED towards the next corner and tried to take it almost as if he was oblivious Hamilton was there.

        I simply cant even begin to understand how anyone can view it as Hamilton’s fault.

      2. jeff says:

        ‘Hero’ below pretty much summed it up.:-)

      3. KGBVD says:

        Yes, how dare Pastor to even attempt to pass Our Lewis.

        May his golden countenance shine down upon us from a top the podium for ever more!

        Taz be praised!

      4. Dave C says:

        What Karma? Seb done a solid job in a LEGAL car, would have won easily, got robbed, so did Grosjean, what Karma are you talking about? The only Karma was Maldonado on Hamilton, it’s been long overdue, expect more from them 2, Alonso for the title now.

      5. jeff says:

        My understanding is that off-throttle exhaust blowing is illegal this year. If Seb’s car was legal, then what was the all too familiar exhaust note clearly audible whenever he lifted off the ‘go’ pedal?

      6. hero_was_senna says:

        Alonso in Canada lost places from leading and finished fifth.
        He didn’t fight pointlessly, because he knew he was not able to fight.

        Hamilton in Valencia lost everything because he hasn’t become this new Hamilton, he has curbed his enthusiasm but is still prone to incidents.
        I said weeks ago, that Hamilton wasn’t driving as his old self, he has tried to change his style consciously, not subconsciously as experience supercedes ambition.

        Ok, so Maldonado has been found culpable, yet Hamilton had been passed by Raikkonen at the same corner but didn’t drive him past the limit of the track, yet he drove Maldonado off the track and Maldonado isn’t exactly renowned for his clear thinking temperament in battle..

        Whoever is to blame, Hamilton has cost himself a significant amount of points that could prove critical. I like the fight of the guy, but there are times you wonder why he makes it so difficult. I mean, Mclaren are already doing that for him.

        Regarding Alonso. Absolutely sensational, proof if ever were needed this man is the best.

    5. Kevin says:

      With all due respect sir he drove from a position with all his wheels off the track into the side of Lewis. Have a look at the angle the two cars are when they collided.

      1. Alberto says:

        Lewis drove maldonado out of the track and thats why Maldonado had the fault in the pure incident. But originally it was Lewis who drove Pastor out of the track, watch the apex hamilton took on turn 12 that moment. As Ive watch the angle the two cars collided, watch the apex hamilton took :P

    6. peruvian says:

      The Mclaren team has all the data and the luxury to analized the lap times other drivers are doing…. if I was the team principal I would tell Lewis, to defend from Kimi, but not from Pastor M. the team knew Pastor was faster than Lewis, and should of told him to let him go and keep the points… pastor was at least 20 seconds behind 3 laps from the end, what on earth was mclaren thinking, inform the dammed driver the situation and tell Lewis to let it go, more important are the points, specially when Vettel was out… the driver just can’t do everything, I mean tactics and championship numbers while driving…. I feel he was left alone, and let down by his own team.
      Just in case, if Mcalren told Lewis to back off, and he did not comply, then there is a major mistrust inside the team, stupid team times 3.
      I said it before, I will say agian, Martin Withmarsh should go, he has proof to me, that he can ruin a good team, come on, can’t he get the pit stops right?… can’t he fix a process as simple as a pit stop, if he is not capable to do that, then how is he able to run a team?… I don’t know, doesn’t make sense to me, go away Martin W. and somebody else should be in there. MHO.

      1. Mick V says:


        If I were Lewis my contract talks would ride on the demand for Whitmarsh and/or Sam Michael going. Which I can’t see happening. Here’s hoping to
        Lewis going to Red Bull next year!

      2. Kay says:

        Team, driver or team principal, you expect yourself or your team to yield within minutes away from the flag?

        If I were in any of those positions mentioned above I’d also fight like crazy to keep the position I have. Hamilton isn’t the type of driver who’d give up without a strong fierce fight. It’s that kind of character that makes his driving and racing so damn exciting.

      3. Hendo says:

        This is the most intelligent comment on this saga.
        Yes it was Maldonado’s fault…
        But if Lewis wasn’t smart enough to let PM go past and consolidate his own points total, instead of making a fight out of the inevitable, then his team certainly should have told him.
        If the team did tell him but LH chose to ignore it, there’s something serious going on and we will see LH in Webber’s seat next year.

      4. Stickymart says:

        I’m not so sure that Hamilton had to let Pastor pass. There was just over a lap left and there is every possibility that he could have held off, knowing that Alonso was winning would have meant that Hamilton needed to maximise his points. Letting Kimi past is a different matter because there were enough laps left for Kimi to pick his moment so Hamilton knew he couldn’t fight it.

      5. JR says:

        The question here is, would he listen a do what he is told? I don’t think so. Don’t want to start a new row here but Hungary 2007 set a very bad precedent in the Mclaren/Hamilton relationship.

    7. Dom Jones says:

      Looking at the collision in isolation, it was Maldonado’s fault. He was off the track with plenty of space, but chose to drive back onto the track and into a collision. However, scoring no points was Hamilton’s fault. With the benefit of my armchair experience – and he will probably agree with the benefit of hindsight, he should have let Maldonado go. There was no way he could withstand Maldonado for two more laps with his tyres in that state. He should have thought of the points and focussed on finishing with some, rather than focussing on trying to hold position and risking retirement. I’m a big Hamilton fan and was very disappointed with his result. Although I do like Alonso so it was not all disaster.

      I’m also very scared of the upgraded Red Bull in Vettel’s hands. This year has been great, but based on yesterday’s performance, it looks as though the rest of this year could be like 2011 again. A 20 second lead before half way point?!?!?!?! Oh dear oh dear.

  5. Aussie Rod says:

    How did you get all that posted so quick James? Wow.

    Awesome grand prix, loved every minute. Thanks again to Pirelli for giving us racing like this :)

    … and Valencia, never a dull moment at this track is there?

  6. Chris C says:

    This must be the first race in Valencia that was not boring. Amazing result, very happy for Fernando but also for the comeback duo and especially Michael.

  7. r0ssj says:

    Vettel and Grosjean were unlucky, but what a drive and result for Alonso. His two main rivals DNF, and a win at his home GP. Alonso had another great start, had good pace, and made some good passes especially on Grosjean at the restart.

    Glad to see Micheal get his podium at last, with a very good final stint. Good result for Kimi but thought he should have got by Hamilton earlier.

    Not sure make of the Lewis/Pastor incident. But with a tight championship battle, Lewis probably should have been a wiser when defending from someone like Pastor who’s not exactly known for his finesse on the racetrack.

    Another poor race from Button, considering both Alonso and Webber started behind him. Time for McLaren to focus on Lewis for championship maybe?

    1. Jimmi C says:

      It’s up to the stewards to penalise Maldonado until he gets it into his thick head about how to drive. It isn’t up to Hamilton to let him through just in case the guy decides to drive into him. Lewis wasn’t squeezing Pastor into a wall or onto gravel or grass, there was plenty of tarmac there for him to cut across and rejoin behind, where he probably would’ve got him eventually.

      1. r0ssj says:

        Thats fine, but the stewards penalising Maldonado won’t give Hamilton any points.

        He doesn’t have too let Pastor through, but he doesn’t have defend so robustly with a driver who is known to have poor race craft with worn tyres, as it’s likely to end in a collision.

        Pastor can afford DNF’s, Lewis, if he wants to win another championship cannot. Todays incident no matter who was in the right and who was in the wrong, hurt Lewis a lot more than it hurt Pastor.

      2. Heinzman says:

        That is what Jimmy C is saying, there should be a heavy penalty for PM to demonstrate that the driving was not acceptable.

        Frank Williams must be very very upset, PM has thrown away big points a few times this year.

      3. Doobs says:

        “Lewis, Pastor is faster than you. Do you understand..?”

  8. D@X says:

    What a race, so action packed and it was down to the last lap with all kinds of overtakes and incidents. Shame for lewis, got assassinated by Maldanado, I feel he should have stuck behind Lewis gear box then overtake in him without risking all his hard earned williams points. Overall great drive from Alonso, bring on the next race. And another congrats to the veterans Kimi and Schumi, seems the wise heads went through and the young fast guns (Seb, Lew and Gros) all had a DNF..

    1. [MISTER] says:

      As a fan I have been uncomfortable watching Kimi’s interviw. He can’t even get himself to do 10 min of interviews after a race that he got 2nd. What’s up with that?

      He needs to show some respect towards the media who is trying to bring all these bits of news for us, the fans.

      Probably he wanted to go and have a DC said. To me, it looks like Kimi doesn’t respect this sport.

      1. D@X says:

        There is a reason why they call him the ice man, Kimi will never change. There are a lot of issues off the track that have been documented in the media about this personality and wild antics. The fact remains he is a great talent and fun to watch behind the wheel.Its these subtle differences that bring fun and all sorts to the sport. The sport itself can be questioned in terms of ethics but as a motossport fan the current mixture is proving this will be a vintage season. Maybe if Kimi spoke in Finish he would express himself a little bit more…my persnoanl opinion.

      2. MISTER says:

        I understand everyone has its own personality. I don’t expect him to smile and be cheery just because he speak with the media.

        My problem is that it looks like he doesn’t appreciate the efforts of the team and the fact that he got a very good result compared to others which their car broke down or crashed. They give him a car which is capable of winning and so far he had 2 second places, but he’s looking so dissapointed.
        How does that look to those people at Lotus who work long days to get the car faster and faster?
        What satisfaction they get when one of their drivers gets second after a long race, but he looks so dissapointed and can’t even praise their hard work.

      3. mayberth says:

        the best respect kimi can provide to this sport is by racing with fairness~~~ which he did, and arguably the most fair driver on the grid now, nth more!!

    2. Buddy says:

      Kimi is Kimi, but I think he is disappointed because he was dreaming of coming back and blitzing the field with the promise that Lotus showed in winter testing.

      I guess he wanted to get one back at Ferrari for firing him, and show the world that he can go off, do rallying and nascar for a couple of years, then come back and beat the world’s finest.

      I get the feeling that there is a little bit of resentment in Kimi – he just wants to be Kimi, but the media expect him to be someone he is not. And he is out to prove to the world that he does his talking on the track.

  9. sarcosuchus says:

    Another week, another McLaren pitstop mess up. They just don’t miss an opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Hamilton should never have been put in a position to have to fend off the taxi driver from Caracas. Maldonado can’t drive and shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near an F1 race.

    Ron Dennis should have been at the race. Whitmarsh is hopelessly out of his depth. He commands no respect, hence the mechanics misbehaving, slacking off and generally behaving like there’s a substitute teacher in charge.

    Either that or they are sabotaging Hamilton on purpose. Because I’ve never heard of such a string of pit stop incompetency in F1. Not even close!

    1. Cliff says:

      Hamilton’s problems were a result of excessive tyre wear, the pitstop problem played no part in the final outcome. Yes, the problem with the jack cost him a number of places, but the net result (after the retirements of SV & RG) was second place.

      It would be interesting if you could expand on your “mechanics misbehaving, slacking off and generally behaving like there’s a substitute teacher in charge” theory.

      1. The Crappest says:

        +1 on the expansion of the theory of “mechanics misbehaving, slacking off and generally behaving like there’s a substitute teacher in charge”.

        Mechanical failures such as what happened with the jack not lifting happen.

        The issue of wheel nuts no going on correctly is either a product, mechanical or a technique problem from the mechanic, but to say it is from lack of focus or professionalism is, I think, a bit harsh.

      2. Andy says:

        Thank you Cliff for a modicum of proportion, in addition to Madonado, there are some hot-heads on here too!

    2. Doobs says:

      The jack was faulty. Jack man had no chance, but no good dwelling on the ifs and buts.

      1. D@X says:

        You have a point! Time for them to go back to basics again, and look at the issue.So far its looking like the kit is giving them massive problems in terms of pit stops…Its been so bad this year the Mclaren pits stops have become a show on their own. Some how these problems used to be at williams,and since the transfer of a certain Sam, Mclaren pit stops have been droping in standars and Willaims have been improving.

    3. Jay West says:

      sarcosuchus: Wow, there’s nothing derrogatory about referring to Maldonado as “the taxi driver from Carracas,” right? Regardless of your contempt for a Latin American driver, the guy is FAST and whooped everyone’s ar$k in Catalunya!!!! Like it or not, we will be seeing lots of Pastor at the front!! There was plenty of blame to go around here and they both paid dearly.

  10. Dmitry says:

    Disastrous race for Lewis.
    First his team once again tried to ruin his race (I can’t remember seeing simple mechanical jack failing sometime before… in the last 15 years), then Maldonado finished it (well, they both might have been wrong… want to see what stewards will say).

    Regardless, somehow the fight for championship became harder for Lewis.

    1. LD01 says:

      Pathetic from Jenson too. 3 or 4 of the his WDC rivals DNF’d today and Jenson only finished 8th. He needs a holiday.

      1. gudien says:

        Today was a missed opportunity for Jenson. Oh well, how did his triathalon turn out, what?

      2. Fraz says:

        jenson and massa were just unlucky to pit a few laps before the safety car. everyone in front of them pritty much got a free pit stop.

      3. Pman says:

        WDC rivals? What championship are we talking about. Surely not the 2012 one.

      4. Kay says:

        Huh? Didn’t Jens engineer this result for himself? :D lol.

  11. Craig D says:

    Wow! I was not expecting that from Valencia! It had its lulls like most races, but the peaks had extraordinary action. So many stories!

    A great race, which can be best illustrated by the extreme high and low emotions of many of the drivers: with Alonso and Schumacher ecstatic, and Vettel and Hamilton furious! I’m sure Grosjean is fuming too but probably still has that smile glued to his face!

    It was looking to be a Vettel classic walkover (I had him as being the first double winner on the competition on this site). After the safety car I was rooting for Grosjean to win. Both drivers were deeply unlucky with their failures. The Lotus certainly looked the quickest race car and I think out of all their chances this season, this was the race they were the strongest and probably should have won but for various incidents: namely Grosjean being held up by Hamilton early on; losing out to Alonso on the restart (great positioning at the final corner from Fernando there); and finally the gearbox. Surely Lotus must get a win before year’s end.

    Fantastic win for Alonso in front of his home crowd though; you can never count him out. He’s driven perfectly this year and maximised every race (apart from Canada’s strategy miscue). I think he’s the most intelligent racer out there. Great strategy for Schumacher and Webber too to claim such strong finishes and a Schumacher finally get his podium!

    Poor, poor Hamilton though. Another McLaren pit stop mess ultimately cost Lewis the win, since he’d otherwise have been ahead of Alonso and not had to suffer Maldonado’s incompetencies. I was all ready to praise Pastor for a well-earned podium but seriously, the guy has pace and talent but his race craft leads a lot to be desired for and is not up to F1 standard. He’s just too aggressive and doesn’t appear to think at all. It was 100% his fault. He came from off the track to smash into Lewis for Pete’s sake! He hadn’t got enough ahead to make the move and considering Lewis’s tyres had gone it would have been an easy overtake on the next straight if he’d thought and been patient. Pastor isn’t striking me as having the most intelligent racing brain. Fuming!

    1. Johnny Z says:

      I agree with much of what you said, however, Alonso would have caught Hamilton and passed him on the track if McLaren didn’t have their jack issue in the pitstop. The Ferrari is much better on it’s tyres and the McLaren wasn’t fast today. 3rd or 4th was the best Hamilton could do today, the win was never in the cards.

  12. Foaad says:

    Is Alonso the luckiest driver out there, 30s deficit to leader wiped from safety car and then inheriting a win from Vettel’s issues for the third time.

    1. Jimmi C says:

      You make your own luck. He got into a position to take advantage.

    2. Sebee says:

      One valid way to summarize it.

      But on the other hand lets be honest, plenty of drivers got wins due to race events. That’s motor racing as they say.

      Also, think of entertainment value. Had Vettel won all these comments from around the world would be summarizing the exact lap on which their freshly painted walls dried.

    3. kfzmeister says:

      He did amazing work to be in that postion! Luck helped him a lot today, but he met it more than half way!!!

    4. Craig D says:

      Well then you could argue all the drivers who finished are super lucky Vettel retired, but what’s the point? It’s part of racing. It’s better to say how unlucky Vettel was.

      All you can do is comment on what Alonso did do. And he deserves a lot of praise for getting to the position he did. Great start, lots of overtakes, including the important one of nailing Grosjean at the restart, irrespective that Grosjean followed Vettel into retirement.

      Vettel was unlucky not to win but that doesn’t directly imply Alonso was lucky in winning the race.

    5. William Wilgus says:

      ‘To finish first, you must first finish.’

    6. Schneider says:

      fortune favours the brave

      1. Johnny Z says:

        Not in Hamilton’s case. We’ve had countless examples over the last 3 years.

    7. Deepan says:

      Yes and the most skilled out there as well!

    8. Alberto Dietz says:

      Foad 3:24pm: Exactly.

    9. Søren Kühle says:

      Remember that when the safetycar came out Alonso was 3′rd. He started which mean that he had overtaken 8 cars. On a track known to be difficult to overtake on. And who’s to say that Alonso did’nt have the late race speed, and tyre management to take victory from Vettel. We’ll never know, but Alonso drove a great race, and luckily got maximum reward due to Lewis and Sebastian’s retirements.

    10. Kay says:

      You gotta be there to be lucky. He was right there when the luck came. Had he been in a position lower than where he was, he wouldn’t have won it.

    11. Nuno says:

      Yes…the same safety car that screw is WDC in 2010.

  13. Mick V says:

    “Hamilton refused to allow Maldonado through and as he resisted he and Maldonado collided”

    Sounds like somebody thinks Hamilton was at fault. Strange view considering Maldonado was well behind and not even on the race track, and had driven just about every other driver off the track in every passing move he made previously

    1. LD01 says:

      Lewis threw aways points fighting Maldonado, when his car wasn’t up to it. That’s what matters at the end of the day.

      1. Mick V says:

        So it’s Lewis’ fault that Maldonado drove into the side of him? He should have pulled over and waved him by? He did the exact (and completely fair) thing to Kimi the lap before and Kimi did the smart thing and waited for a better moment.

      2. LD01 says:

        Didn’t say it was Lewis’ fault.

        However he ‘raced hard’ against a notoriously aggressive driver, who he has history with, when his car’s tyres were dead. It’s not a matter of retrospect. He was always going to loose the place, just look at the previous half a lap. Lewis’ car could barely stay straight.

        Look at the last races were top drivers cars tyres have ‘gone off the cliff’. They’ve conceded of pitted. No point in wrestling the car as you’ll take more out of the types and are likely to go off / hit a wall or another car.

        Halfway through an incredibly tight championship is not the time to throw all caution to he wind. Whatever penalty Maldonado deservedly gets, will it matter at the end this season if Lewis or McLaren miss out by 10 points on a WDC / WCC?

      3. Mick V says:

        He’s entitled to race hard, especially defending his position in the last 2 laps. And who knows? He may have been so busy at the wheel he did not know it was “it’s never my fault” Maldonado behind him. I wouldn’t put it past McLaren not telling him.

        If it does come down to a mere handful of points at the end of the season, the first party to take blame should be the team, not Lewis.

      4. nathhulal says:

        Second LD01′s comment and sentiment. Lewis had more at stake here, and in the previous lap, he let Kimi through without much resistance (since his rear tyres were not in the position to defend). However, with Pastor chasing him ( in a faster car), their history seem to have clouded Lewis’ judgement, and he kept pushing Pastor out of track.

        If Pastor indeed had kept driving to the left, all he would have ended up was going over the sleeping police kerbs in the run off area and destroying the floor of his car (and hence DNF), so he chose to turn right and get back on the track along with Lewis, and he was a passenger once the corner kerb was below his car, you can see in replays, his steering input was not changing the car direction.

        So it was Lewis, who had brain fade after showing sense in letting Kimi pass in previous lap.

      5. Kay says:

        LD01, so a driver is not eligible to fight if the car’s tyres ain’t up to it?

        I don’t think anyone in the world expects and wants Lewis to give up as long as it has fuel in it. Rather than Lewis giving way, Pastor could have passed him at any other part of the circuit rather than right there and then taking both out since he has a better car anyway.

      6. Nigel says:

        Compare it with the Grosjean overtake, and you’ll see how it should be done – and also how Hamilton is aggressive, but in the end fair.

        If you’re a racing driver, you can’t make it too easy for your opponents overtaking, especially with only two laps to go.
        If Maldonado was really too fast to hold off, why did he not back off and make the pass in the DRS zone ?

      7. nathhulal says:

        If you’re a racing driver, you can’t make it too easy for your opponents overtaking, especially with only two laps to go.
        >> By that logic, why did Lewis chose otherwise with Kimi on previous lap? His car was not in position to defend on previous lap and it was the same with Pastor trying to get past him.

        Lewis was having the situation we see at least one driver per race in final laps of the race this season. The tyres are not there to give any traction and the driver starts falling off, ala Alonso in Canada and Kimi in China. Smart thing is let drivers pass and try to salvage situation.

        Just because the driver in the tow is Pastor, the rules of game don’t have to change suddenly.

        Discretion is better part of valor, this lesson is for “both” young turks I say

        Immaturity on both sides.

      8. Doobs says:

        What’s the saying, quit whuile you’re ahead Maldo is a brawler and had the faster car. Lewie should have settled for points.

      9. Andrew M says:

        Like DC said in the BBC commentary, you can’t just surrender every time someone like Maldonado comes at you, you’ll get scared off the race track at every turn.

        If we were 2 races from the end of the season I’d be more inclined to agree with you, but Hamilton was entitled to defend his position without fear of being punted off the race track by someone who had 4 wheels over the white line.

      10. nathhulal says:

        Like DC said in the BBC commentary, you can’t just surrender every time someone like Maldonado comes at you, you’ll get scared off the race track at every turn.
        >> well a British Pundit is paid by British TV channel to defend a fellow Briton. So DC was doing, just what was expected of him.

        By your logic “you can’t just surrender every time someone like Maldonado comes at you, you’ll get scared off the race track at every turn”

        Same can be said in defense of Maldanado, Lewis has bullied him off the track in qualifying at Spa last year, ruined the Venezuelan’s race in Monaco last year. Maybe Pastor chose this race to convey the same message to Lewis, that just because you are F1 champion, and you drive for a front running McLaren team, doesn’t entitle you to push other drivers off the track.

        I am not justifying what pastor did, but the only other option he had after Lewis pushed him off the track was to keep going to the left over the kerbs in run-off area and ruin the floor of his own car and suffer DNF.

        I suppose Pastor just chose to convey Lewis what the stewards are scared to do, after Lewis played the color card after Monaco last year.

        Immature decision by both 25 something drivers, goes with the territory.

      11. Pman says:

        This time it was Mal’s fault. However let’s not get carried away with how fair LH is!

      12. Andrew M says:


        I very much doubt the fact DC is British had anything to do with that comment, I doubt he would say anything different about any other driver.

        And look at the incident, Lewis didn’t push him off the track, he was over half a car length in front and was perfectly entitled to take the corner. Pastor had all 4 wheels off the track and kept his foot in. The race stewards agree that he was in the wrong and game him a penalty.

        Lewis in Monaco was going for a pass and messed it up, he got penalised for it and rightly so. What Pastor did in Valencia was just idiotic and ruined both their races. I think he got off very lightly for deliberately driving into the side of another driver from off the track.

    2. Magnus says:

      Agree totally, Maldonado needs to bee reprimanded.
      Kimis race was compromised, Webber wisely avoided him and while drivning off track and dan back into Hamilton. The guy is a loose gun and should be told to calm down. He is no Senna, hus style of drivning is quite ugly.

    3. Craig D says:

      You’re reading into things there I think.

    4. Dudley says:

      If you only look at the last 0.5 seconds Pastor was behind yes.

      However Maldonado was actually AHEAD going into the corner and certainly alongside so Lewis should have left him a cars width. Instead, he drove him off the track creating the circumstances which led up to the collision itself.

      Lewis started it, not least by weaving all over the track for at least a lap before that. Call it 50/50, call it no penalties, hope either of them learn something.

      1. Mick V says:

        Based on the precedences set this season, Lewis didn’t have to leave him room. Maldonado did the carbon copy thing to everyone else in the race, luckily for him they were all against people who didn’t decide to drive into him.
        If it is as you say, then there would have been no penalty for Maldonado, but guess what!

      2. Dudley says:

        Well there wasn’t a penalty really, all they did was equalising MAL and HAM’s result, which seems fair.

        If they’d really thought he was at fault they’d have done what they did with the other 2 incidents.

      3. Peter C says:

        You’re the only poster to get it right so far!

        Nobody has considered that it is TWO corners, almostlike a chicane. Maldonado was alongside Lewis going into the first (right-hand) part, but as they turned in, Lewis allowed his car to drift out to the left,so Maldonado had nowhere to go except over the white line.

        He then had his floor on the raised red & white kerb, so braking would have been difficult even if he wanted to be behind Lewis again.

        What was the decision-making time? A couple of tenths, perhaps. Ideally, Maldonado should have backed off, but would likely have spun.
        Even more ideally, Lewis would not have moved so far left & given room as he did with Kimi earlier.

        But these guys are RACERS & it’s not in their nature to concede. Unfortunately, it was Lewis who had the most to lose…..& he did.

      4. Nuno says:

        I tend to agree with your view but the bottom line is that even if is MAL fault HAM should be smarter…look at what ALO did in Montreal when he knew that he was poweless with no tires left? That is why in my opinion ALO is that cut above HAM.

    5. LeeF1Nut says:

      I said to my partner about 10 seconds before the incident that Lewis needs to watch for Maldonado as he’d been very agressive all afternoon.

  14. Jo Lgas says:

    Hamilton and Maldonado did not “collide”
    Instead Maldonado crashed into him from off the track. Should be a heavy penalty. Disgraceful driving.

    1. Vinola says:

      Agree, but as a Hamilton fan, part of me says LH should have backed off recognizing Maldonado’s hotheadedness and the state of the championship (he would have finished 4th with valuable points)- even though Lewis was in the right. You might be in the right, but you wouldn’t want to argue with someone that has a lot less than you to lose.

      1. Bring Back Murray says:

        I think I’ve just replied to Jo Lgas with exactly the same context as you have!

      2. James Allen says:

        That’s not an uncommon view from the neutral too. Maldo was in the wrong and had no steering once he got onto the kerb, but Lewis could have taken a view. He probably would have been top 5 if he’d let him go

      3. Nigel says:

        I disagree, James.

        If you allow a driver to intimidate you out of defending a position – particularly this close to the end of the race – he’s going to make stupid moves like this every time.
        (If there had been 10 laps to go, I might agree with you.)

        Maldonado’s sense of entitlement reminds me of Schumacher, but without the outstanding talent, and engaging personality…

      4. Craig D says:

        James, it’d be interesting if you discuss where Hamilton would likely have finished in the Strategy Report. I think a lot think he would have finished 4th but Schumacher and Webber only finished 6 seconds or so behind Raikkonen, and Hamilton was dead slow at the end. So I think Schumacher and Webber may well have had him too, pushing Lewis back to 6th. Is that the likely event?

      5. Andrew M says:

        I’m all for Lewis playing it cool and looking at the long game, but you have to draw the line somewhere surely? Were his tyre’s in that much a worse state than Maldonado’s that a pass was inevitable round Valencia?

      6. Elie says:

        I don’t know James,I dont think any driver in Lewis position would just pull over- Just look at how many laps Pastor blocked Kimi .At the end of the day Pastor effectively cut the corner anyway and would have had to give that place back to Lewis under the regs. He came straight back at Lewis – made no attempt to merge.

      7. quest says:

        Also Hamilton should have expected Maldanado to try to get back on track and left some room. Instead he tried to take the perfect line for the next corner. This is where others like Alonso, Kimi, Button are smarter and leave a margin for error, thus are less likely to fall victim to such incidents. People can say all they wannt that it was primarily Maldonado’s fault, but it does’nt matter cos Lewis was also a big loser.

      8. [MISTER] says:

        James, Maldonado’s car has brakes, right?

      9. hero_was_senna says:

        Only have to look at Alonso’s 5th place in Canada to see how he would have driven…

      10. nathhulal says:

        I am with James Allen on this one. We have seen every race this season, one driver for sure sufffers the “Pirellis going off the cliff” ailment in dying stage of race. We have seen in previous races where Kimi and Alonso, wisely chose to let the faster cars behind them pass them and salvage the situation, by collecting whatever points they could get.

        Lewis too chose to let Kimi pass without any fight. But with Pastor, adrenalin seemed to have taken over the Briton and he kept pushing the faster Pastor after Pastor’s car was half way through.

        Pastor had nothing to lose here ( we know the range of penalties the stewards hand off and that too inconsistently). The Venezuelan had two choices either keep going towards left ( what Vettel expected Karthikeyan to do in Sepang was considered wrong by majority fans), Pastor’s problem were those bumpy kerbs in run off area that would have destroyed his floor and gave him DNF or worst airborne ride. His other choice was to avoid those kerbs and trying to get on the track by taking right. So he had not much option here. And as analyzed on the TV replays once his car hit the corner kerb, he was pretty much passenger and had no control on his car.

        So Lewis made a wrong choice and now has a DNF to show for it.

      11. TheGreatTeflonso says:

        I completely agree James. They were side by side, Hamilton chose to close the door, so Maldonado had to go over the kerbs and almost off track. That was Hamilton’s first aggressive move, his second was taking the next racing line without giving Maldonado any room. He should have realized Maldonado was pushed onto the kerbs and left room because any driver may struggle on the kerbs. The robust defense was pointless anyway because Maldonado would have easily taken him and Hamilton should have focused on saving his tyres. Two wrongs don’t make a right, avoidable accident from both in my opinion.

      12. remengo says:

        Why Lewis didn’t back off as Fernando did in canada? the situation was exactly the same, and I do not think that Alonso was scared of any driver yesterday……Maldonado selfentitlement will not disappear if he is 3 seconds faster in a single lap.

      13. Nuno says:

        I agree with remengo, this kind of situations is what puts ALO above HAM.

      14. Thompson says:

        Maldonado…that guy is crazy, I’m serious. He needs to get kicked out of f1 before he causes someone serious harm…..he’s dangerous.

    2. Bring Back Murray says:

      Maldonado shouldn’t have driven into Lewis and taken them both out but why was Lewis fighting for the position so hard in the first place when his tyres were completely destroyed. He was asking for trouble, especially against Maldonado. He’d still have taken home a half decent points total and made up ground on Vettel.

      So frustrating though wasn’t it, especially as he’d already been through that dodgy pit-stop and managed to avoid any penalty for not slowing down under the yellows.

      Lewis needs to forget about this quickly and come back fighting again at Silverstone

      1. Jimmi C says:

        So the answer, when you are a lap or so away from the flag, is to lift off to let someone through just because the tyres have gone off? “After you sir, you are clearly quicker than me and deserve the points more…”

      2. Craig D says:

        I don’t think he was saying he should have let him through but maybe been more pragmatic – though when it’s was for a podium you’re even more likely to want to do everything you can to hold the place.

        Having said that, I believe it was 100% Maldonado’s fault. Terrible driving. It was Lewis’s first defence of him too so I don’t think he did anything wrong in putting up his defence.

      3. Dudley says:

        If it’s inevitable he will pass then yes, that’s exactly what you do. Holding him up for half a lap costs you even more time which might let MORE people catch you.

        The key is to give yourself the best possible result. Staying ahead of Maldonado was not possible, getting 4th by letting him go WAS.

      4. gudien says:

        It’s called judgement. Some drivers have it, some don’t.

      5. nathhulal says:

        JimmyC – Wasn’t that Lewis’s answer for Kimi Raikkonen on the previous lap??

      6. Bring Back Murray says:

        “So the answer, when you are a lap or so away from the flag, is to lift off to let someone through just because the tyres have gone off?”

        Jimmi C, I’m all for having people race for position but didn’t you see how much Lewis was sliding around a lap or two before Maldonado challanged him? (After Lewis had the major lock up) Lewis ended up going out all guns blazing to defend against an extremely aggressive driver (in Maldonado) in a car that Lewis was barely able to control himself. And look where it all ended up. At the end of day 5th place is still a good save – I personally don’t think it was worth fighting over the 4th place in this instance.

    3. KRB says:

      Just read that Maldonado blames Hamilton entirely for the incident!!! Is this guy for real?!?! Maldonado should’ve backed out of that move, or tried to keep a tighter line out … he drove to the right! 100% his fault, and I can’t believe there’s been no post-race time penalty, plus grid-penalty at next race (it was as ill-judged a move as Kobayashi’s, surely).

      Agreed with others that Hamilton shouldn’t have defended as robustly as he did, should’ve let him go and keep his speed up vis-a-vis those behind Maldonado who were also closing.

      And again with an abominable pit-stop! I don’t think Hamilton had the pace to win today, but he should’ve been ahead of Alonso out of those pit stops, and surely wouldn’t have been passed into turn 1 like Grosjean was.

      Unlucky day for Vettel and Grosjean. Vettel had this one in his pocket until his car blew up.

  15. Andrew says:

    Great race. Lots of passing. Great to see Alonso (at home) and the comebackers on the podium. Feel for a couple of of the DNF’s but them’s the breaks guess. Nice recovery for Webber from 19th.
    I know there are mixed views about whether the effect of the tryes is artificial, but there has sure been a lot happening the the final 10 laps a few times this year. Got to be good for the ratings?
    Looking forward to the next race already.

  16. CartRider says:

    This gran prix will be called classic for so many reasons!

    1. nathhulal says:

      All credit to Charlie Whiting for making it happened. If not for the safety car, the flood-gates of chaos wouldn’t have opened. All we had after the safety car was organized mayhem and the stewards ( I guess on smoke or bio-break), drivers were passing under yellow, wrong drivers given drive thrus (Senna), Drivers given penalties for wrong infraction ( No contact between Kamui and Massa, it was either Redbull or STR car on his inside that punctured Massa), No explanation of why leading car had DRS open under Yellow ( Wasn’t Schumi ahead of Webber, when Yellow flag were waved for Lewis DNF?)

      All the hard work of Charlie, and Stewards contributed to “Not Typical Valencia Race”

  17. Linda says:

    Great race, Alonso showed pure emotion on the podium. What a drive, from 11th to finish first. I wonder how long before Massa is replaced. It was so significant to see Alonso crossing the finish line to take victory, and Massa following him behind, an entire lap down. Nice to see Raikkonen and Schumacher on the podium as well.

    1. Blake S says:

      To Massa’s credit, he was having a decent race until the incident with Kobayashi.

      1. nathhulal says:

        Truth or Less – With your kind permission, I would like to borrow your phrase “Did you watch the same race as everyone else?”

        Massa was running 6-7th when safety car was deployed and he was in the group of drivers running 5-9th when the race restarted.

        Blake S – I don’t think Kamui caused Massa’s puncture since Kamui had passed Massa on restart, I saw Massa get a nudge from either Webber or Ricciardo that caused puncture and forced pit stop. The Sky commentators started talking about the Blue car and then other incidents followed and Massa’s puncture was not discussed after that. All we heard later that Kobayashi was handed penalty.

        Kobayashi (and Alonso) were right behind Senna ( and both might have contributed to his spin by a tap on rear), but for weird reasons Senna got penalty for that incident. Crazy chaotic race….

    2. Truth or Lies says:

      Did you watch the same race as everyone else?
      Massa was so far behind because he made his second pit stop just before the safety car came out, compared to Fernando and the other front runners who pitted under the safety car and then while recovering got pushed off by Kobayashi, who gets a five place penalty for his efforts at the next race. It’s accepted Massa had an awful start to the season and really struggled, however he was less than two hundreds behind Alonso in Q2 and like his team mate gained three places at the start.
      I think it’s important to be fair to people and right now Massa is doing a pretty good job since Monaco. He just isn’t getting any breaks, a bit like MS all season or Lewis and Vettel today.

      1. Don says:

        Here, here. Massa got caught out by pitting just before the safety car. He was running 7th before his stop and having a great race.

    3. JF says:

      If I have the math right, Alonso now has 10 TIMES the points Massa does–10X–one order of magnitude. Not quite half way through now. Ferrari really need to think now I would say.

  18. rafa says:


    very fortunate win for him, but he’s absolutely relentless. As happy as I am that either VET or HAM didn’t finish, i feel for hAM’s mechanics!! They keep on shooting HAM on the foot.

    1. Nigel says:

      “i feel for hAM’s mechanics!! They keep on shooting HAM on the foot.”

      Shouldn’t you feel for Hamilton’s foot ?

    2. hero_was_senna says:

      He overtook Grosjean for 2nd after the safety car period, but through strategy and some beautiful over-taking, he was3rd at that point anyway, from 11th.
      It was lucky that Vettel broke down, but this has happened so often in F1.
      It was less than halfway, a suspected over-heating alternator failed, yet Webber had no problem and he was in traffic all afternoon.

      Alonso completely deserved the victory. The team and the man are performing brilliantly.
      It’s everybody else that has to raise their games.

  19. franed says:

    It would have been nice to hear all the above from you in the radio commentary.

    1. James Allen says:

      I’ll be back behind the mic in Silverstone

      1. Mike from Colombia says:

        Thank God your back James.

        Poor Jaime Alguesuari has had to do two people’s jobs over the last couple of grand prix.

  20. Rossco says:

    What was Maldonado doing? He went off the track… as Hamilton had the racing line even though he was slower, yet Maldonado came off the racing line, and pushed Hamilton off? When is this guy going to get it. So inconsistent yet shows some great pace. Hamilton was definitely fading, all he needed to do was wait until the DRS zone and save up all his KERS for that. Shame.

  21. Crespo says:

    It’s been a very long time since an F1 race has given me so much emotion. Bravo Ferrari, and epic, epic Alonso, a true national hero. Avanti!

  22. Jako says:

    Well, who would have thought the European Grand Prix in Valencia would be such an interesting and eventful race.
    I was expecting a bit of a procession.
    It sure is shaping up to be a real corker of a GP season.


  23. David Selway-Hoskins says:

    Phew, who said time travel is impossible, it must be 2004 or something!

    1. nathhulal says:

      2005 with Kimi-Alonso-Schumi doing team swap before climbing the podium.

      2004 from Imola perspective where JPM who was half car ahead of Schumi on outside and Schumi pushed him off the track and JPM was handed off penalty. Stewarding is still at same levels as back then, random is the best way to describe it

  24. Sam says:

    What a fantasticly exciting race. James, have you heard anything about Michael being investigated for passing under yellow?

    1. James Allen says:

      Webber is saying in the TV pen “We’ll see if we can go from 4th to 3rd in next hour or two”

      1. Sam says:

        Oh dear, that’ll be a shame. I’m a RedBull supporter, but it was great to Schumi up on the podium.

      2. Nigel says:

        Won’t happen – Ross Brawn confirmed MS closed the DRS 30 metres before the yellows.

    2. Pete N says:

      According to Ross Brawn, he himself double-checked the data personally and confirmed that Schumacher stopped using DRS 30m before the yellow flag zone, so he’s confident there won’t be a penalty, according to the BBC.

      1. hero_was_senna says:

        Yet video footage shows it was open in the DRS zone…

  25. Leali says:

    James what is procedure for stoping on track and runing out of fuel, shouldnt that be the same rules as per qualifying(we know how that one finished for Hamilton). In my view this is worse than Hamilton even though amount of fuel wouldnt decide the winer but still rules should be applied the same. I think he stoped on purpose where he stoped because marshals on that spot had that doll ready for him which tells me it was already preplaned, F1 turned into a circus with few ppl pulling strings trying to create fake excitement and I realy dont think Pireli’s are doing any good to the racing because this year it is them who control the race, I know tyres are always factor in racing but this year Pireli is actualy controling the races(I dont think they can control to individual driver but certain cars are benefiting from the Pireli).I would realy like to know whats gonna happen with ALonso’s win, are they gonna be fair and deal with it as they dealt with Hamilton or just forget he stoped on the track…Thanks in advance…

    1. Josh says:

      The rule regarding fuel only applies to practice sessions (including qualifying). Race you can stop; with many drivers in the past having done this. As for the “stop on purpose” nonsense, don’t be ridiculous, he won his home grand prix and was overcome with emotion so stopped by the largest grandstand. Everyone has the same issue with the tyres, and in fact Ferrari suffered at the last race so again your comment makes absolutely no sense. Which certain cars are you referring to?

      So finally, nothing will happen with alonso’s win because it was entirely within the rules. Unlike hamilton.

      1. Josh says:

        Ps. fantastic win for fernando (albeit with some luck) but you can’t fault his drive. Great race.

      2. Leali says:

        No i never faulted his drive, he drove best to his ability but stoping where he stoped just look at the footage, its done the same way Lorenzo and Rossi do in motoGP they have designated place where they do away with ceremony same as this but thats beside the point, you see in practice they demand you come under your own power and have designated amount of fuel for parc ferme ok now you go to the race and they run out of fuel but they stop on the track because they wont have the fuel saved for sample, now why it irritates me is its 1. done on purpose(dont forget teams know down to the freaking deciliter not liter of how much fuel they gonna use) 2. it is manipulating the race result because had they use their own car they wouldnt have the fuel for sample therefore FIA wouldnt be able to confirm and say yes Alonso drove with legal fuel(I dont care which driver is at stake) so to have one set of rules for quali and diffferent for the race is stupid because in F1 even a 1L of fuel CAN make a difference). For the end just to say I’m not Hamiltons fan but now I realy feel for the guy and those ppl that commenting and saying that Hamilton is at fault I suggest you get a set of good glasses, he raced hard but everyone forgets that all this decisions drivers make in the heat of the moment but Maldonado is one of those who can best be described as V8 Supercar driver mentality because this kind of driving is actualy allowed in V8′s(they allow you “gently” push someone out of the way or enough to make his car unstable so one can gain place just because they feel they are faster). Hopefully James chooses to cast his opinion, I know this happened in the past but I think they should draw the line because whether is 1ml or 1L it is manipulating.

      3. Puffing says:

        Right so. Sorry to say, Leali reasoming of below is truly faulty.

      4. Josh says:

        Just to clarify when I said “unlike hamilton” before, I meant in relation to when he stopped previously and was given a penalty, not the incident with Maldonado. That was entirely maldonado’s fault. I don’t think Hamilton deserved the penalty in the former instance either (and certainly not the severity), but it was unfortunately against the rules which are clear, so mclaren were penalised. In fact the rule was created after mclaren did it in the first place, and they’ve done it about once a year since! Bit silly really. Whether the rule needs extending to cover races is a matter for the FIA, but everyone races to the same principle so they could all do it if they wanted. Plus, a small amount of fuel is going to make a bigger difference in quali than in the race….

        By the way, I wasn’t referring to your comment Leali when i stated “you can’t fault his drive”. That’s just a general comment about the race, and how great it was – the fact it was a reply was probably misleading.


    2. Andrew Carter says:

      The only rule regarding fuel after the race is that they must have enough for a sample. It’s not that uncommon to see a car stopping on the slowdown lap and no one’s been penalised for it before. I didn’t see Alonso take the doll so that’s probably just a marshals mascott or something.

      And you’re wrong about the tyres, they’re brilliant. Why is that preserving tyres is an excepted part of motorsport except in F1?

      1. Fred says:

        Show me another motorsport that has intentionally designed their tyres to go off.

        Preserving tyres and preserving manipulated tyres is not the same thing.

      2. nathhulal says:

        In the chaos that followed, he could have pocketed some marbles before weigh-in. But wait he was directly driven to podium and there was no weigh-in :-)

      3. Simple says:

        They showed him being weighed just behind the podium before they went out…

    3. AlexD says:

      Did Rosberg not do the same this year when he won? Nothing happened, I think.

    4. MANish says:

      few people creating fake excitement..

      how can you even think like this……. Dude he won his home grand prix and its all natural….

      1. Leali says:

        Lol with F1 everything has purpose and nothing is done by guessing pls don’t tell me that politics are non existent in F1, Rosberg won I would still be saying the same and as for the tyres they Pireli have way to much of a deciding factor this year however tyre imporance had been it should n ot be deciding the outcome just look at the teams no one is realy happy about. You all seem to miss the point that the rule is flawed, no fuel no sample no race win I dont know if I can make it any easier to understand my point was not fake excitement but to point out the flaw no matter who won and once again 1lap worth of fuel is nothing in real life but its worth something in race, I’m still convinced they couldnt save enough during the race so hence the stop…

      2. Don says:

        Have you not seen race winners stop at the pit exit after the race instead of driving a victory lap. This happens all the time. No matter how many times you say it I still think it is becauyse Alonso won and not Hamilton and that is why you don’t like this.

    5. Bullish says:

      If you allowed to park you car in qualifying, everyone would be doing it. Everyone would just put enough fuel in for the lap. Plus it is a hazard as others could still be on track on qualification runs.

      The difference between doing it between Qualification and Race is that in the race once you pass the finish line the race is over.

    6. MikeyB says:

      Alonso said after the race that he hadn’t run out of fuel. He was told to stop the car by his pit, presumably for a problem shown on his telemetry.

    7. Heinzman says:

      Pre-planned? So they all knew Fernando was going to win and kept it a secret all weekend?

  26. Jey says:

    Was it you who did the post race interview with the podium guys.
    I heard “3 former Ferrari World Champions”

    Alonso is yet to win WDC with Ferrari right ;-)?

    1. James Allen says:

      No David Croft today. I’ll be doing it at Silverstone

      1. Nigel says:

        Excellent !

    2. Dave Aston says:

      I heard that too. Myabe he hadn’t filled his quota of a dozen commentary mistakes per race. No disrespect intended, but, I reckon he’s hopeless. Why can’t we have two real motorsport fans doing the broadcast? Bring back Alan Jameison.

      1. Tank says:

        With respect, I think Croft is pretty decent.

  27. Vic says:

    An amazing race. Is this the same circuit where overtaking was not possible? I would like to know what is the difference because a lot of the overtakes were without drs. Maybe the tyres?
    As a sidenote, james, you dont need a best driver poll this time. FA could get easily get 100% votes. Honestly, even if you are a Hamilton or Vettel fan you have to vote for FA today

    1. James Allen says:

      Webber went from 19th to 4th… there are always several contenders

    2. Vic says:

      Also I feel sorry for Hamilton for another botched pitstop, but I think he should let pass a maldonado. Maldonado had a lot more speed and with two full laps being overtaken was a done thing. Trying to fight could only led to disaster (specially with maldonado). Look FA approach last race better being overtaken when you are way slower than lose the whole race

      1. LD01 says:

        Agreed. What was Hamilton’s engineer doing? He should have told Hamilton in no uncertain terms to not decent Maldonado. Think of the long game. If his engineer didn’t warn him, Hamilton rightly should be furious with him.

      2. nathhulal says:

        So happy that Williams have send Sam Michael to the Wokings team. 2009 season Williams team more than thrice fumbled on Nakajima’s pit stops when the Japanese driver’s pitstop, when he had a point scoring chance. But well it doesn’t matter if cock-ups happen to you if you are Non-British, Non-European pilot (in that order). Massa had Ferrari butter finger his pitstops in first six races in 2011 season. Fans only start worrying if Lewis/Jenson start getting impacted by Pitstops cockups :-)

        Selective memories and selective publicity, beauty of F1 :D

    3. azac21 says:

      Seriously James,
      there is no point doing the “who’s your driver of the day” survey… ;)

      Probably better to do a “which was your favourite moment of the race” survey.

  28. Robie says:

    Great race. That is the reason why Alonso is the best!

    Good to see Raikkonen and Schumi on then podium too.

    I’m loving this championship!

    1. Hendo says:

      I was going to vote for Grosjean for his attacking moves in the first couple of corners, but then Alonso gave him a absolute master-class lesson in F1 driving after the SC.

    2. Luca says:


      Alonso’s laps 17-19 were epic. Great race all round and prob my most fav three drivers on the podium.

  29. AlexD says:

    As a Ferrari fan, I am absolutely and immensely astonished by the win!

    I did not even want to watch the race knowing that Alonso starts 11th in Valencia where overtaking is as easy as in Monaco.

    He had a great start from P11 to P8, was managing his tires properly,made some spectacular overtaking maneuvers when he was unleashed into the clean air. He also managed to do a superb race restart and overtake Romain . Last 10 laps were really tough to watch, having memories of Canada,but it did not happen.

    Clearly he was helped by some bad fortunes of Vettel, Hammilton and Grosjean (I am very sorry for them), but he did everything right.

    You thing you need to learn in life – enjoy the moment, because everything changes:-) So yes, Ferrari doesn’t have the fastest car and there is no 2nd driver to help Alonso, but seeing him leading the championship now is unbelievable achievement, you must agree.

    Congratulations to Kimi and Michael and very sorry for Vettel, Hamilton and Grosjean.

    In my eyes, Vettel has the highest chance of winning the championship. Apparently Red Bull now has the blown floor….and it looks like to be legal:-)

    1. hero_was_senna says:

      “He also managed to do a superb race restart and overtake Romain

      Clearly he was helped by some bad fortunes of Vettel, Hammilton and Grosjean (I am very sorry for them), but he did everything right.”

      I have chosen these 2 quotes for obvious reasons.
      He overtook Grosjean… so Grosjean breaking down didn’t help him and whatever you may think, Grosjean wouldn’t have been pressuring Alonso for the remainder of the race, Alonso was already moving away from him.

      Hamilton, had his race ruined by Mclaren once again, yet last year Mclaren, Mercedes and Red Bull were all fantastic at pit-stops. Ferrari was generally slower.
      For 2012, Ferrari has moved the game on, and the others have to react, so imagine the pressure when they know tenths of a second could see their guy lose a place, that’s when problems happen.

      The only good fortune to fall Alonso’s way was Vettels retirement, yet no-one spoke so dismissively of Hamilton’s win in Abu Dhabi last year after Vettel’s tyre punctured.

  30. Andrew Carter says:

    Great race from Alonso, brilliant win.

    I’ve noticed that Maldonado is a very difficult driver to go wheel to wheel with, he doesnt like giving other drivers space, as seen with his start move on Raikkonen and with Hamilton at the end.

  31. Pargo says:

    Wow, what an incredible race. Romain’s move on Lewis was pure class. Alonso’s drive was masterful throughout. Really nice seeing the interaction between him and the fans after the win.

    My driver didn’t make it to the podium, but this race reminds me why I love F1!

  32. Paul L says:

    Id gotten so used to seeing front runners no longer stop with a mechanical failure. Big surprise.

  33. Vinola says:

    Fantastic drive by Alonso; controlled aggression on full display. He came off a big winner with Vettel and Hamilton coming to grief. Heads have to roll at McLaren; how many points have they lost Hamilton this season?

    1. William Wilgus says:

      How many points has Hamilton lost Hamilton this season?

      1. Craig D says:

        Not many surely. And today’s incident was a indirect consequence of another bad McLaren pit stop. Though to be balanced, they did do some very fast stops today.

      2. D17MO.D says:

        Erm… None??? Lol!

        This year Hamilton has lost Hamilton NO points! The incident with Maldonado was not his fault and there definitely isn’t any other occurrences??!!

      3. Doobs says:

        Maybe the pit crew chewed up his rear tyres too.

      4. kbdavies says:

        I know you really didn’t think about this one before posting it.

      5. hero_was_senna says:

        None, but he lost plenty for himself last year…

  34. Bring Back Murray says:

    Hamilton Hamilton Hamilton.

    Come on, Vettel was out. OK you wanted to minimise the loss to Alonso and know you’re a natural racer but you didn’t need to race Madonaldo so tightly like you did with dead tyres. You would still have taken a dencent enough points haul, and consitency is the key this season.

    I hope these points don’t come back to haunt him late in the season.

    Alonso – well, any kind of written words would simply not be able to do this man justice.

    1. hero_was_senna says:

      Best since Senna

      1. Don says:

        You mean since Prost

  35. Elie says:

    What a fabulous drive Fernando ! The best drive in 2012 and thoroughly deserved – the emotion he showed afterwards highlighted just how much it meant.

    I think Lotus we’re a bit slow in the first pot stop on Kimi as this have great track position to Fernando. I think that was the major turning point for Fernando’s chances.

    Webber drove a great race also to get to 4th ( maybe 3rd).
    I cannot believe Maldonados shunt of Hamilton that deserves 5 grid spot penalty at Silverstone. Lewis fought fair and gave him room on the approach (right hander) to the chicane but Pastor tried to push through on the left when he went off track ! Then to come back on as he did was reckless to say the least which cost them both the race (avoidable incident had common sense prevailed)

    Would be pleased to hear if Schumacker had DRS open on yellow as I dont think it was seen on the live coverage.

  36. Hermann says:

    Surely this was a fantastic race with a lot to comment about. First of all Alonso was simply fantastic, a bit lucky and also the driver of the day! Secondly, reliability was a key in this race: two Renault engines didn’t make it. Thirdly – coldbloodedness – we all know how aggressive Hamilton is, and what a hot head Maldonando is … well the outcome was probably inevitable. This is surely one significant difference between Alonso and Hamilton: they are great drivers but Alonso calculates better – in Canada in the last laps he knew he couldn’t take the podium and so grabbed some points. In Valencia Hamilton was in a similar situation but tried at all costs to defend a podium finish … he finished up with nothing!

    1. Robie says:

      Hamilton needs to take a leaf out of Di Resta’s book.
      When he can’t fight he cedes position and maximises his opportunity to score points instead of crashing out!

  37. Blake S says:

    Amazing race. Even without any of the incidents Alonso was doing a fantastic job. It’s hard to pick a Driver of the Day; Alonso had a great overall race, Vettel dominated until he had car problems, Webber came 4th from waaaaay back.

    This race was a massive contrast to last year’s race in Valencia, very, very exciting – even when Vettel was dominating.

    Alonso never gives up, such an admirable quality to have in a driver. Also quite happy to see Kimi and Schumi on the podium.

    1. Kay says:

      Yer.. pretty hard pick. Fernando and Alonso not sure which is better heh :D

  38. Nil says:

    Dullencia was the exciting! I just saw a pig fly by my window. What a drive from Alonso! The result for him reminded me of Korea 2010.

  39. Jimmi C says:

    When I was a kid, as a massive Senna and then Damon Hill fan, I hated Schumacher. Even when I became a neutral after Damon retired, I was always glad to see that Ferrari retire or be soundly beaten.

    Yet, this second time around, I’ve really warmed to him. I don’t know if this is just my imagination but he seems a different person in front of the camera; somehow more relaxed and engaging whilst still perfectly capable of playing the pantomime villain (such as nearly driving Barrichello into a pit wall.) It’s almost like his first stint was his ‘proper’ career and this time around he’s just doing it because he’s bored of sitting around at home doing the dishes.

    I’m delighted that he got a podium today after all the luck he’s had recently. I hope, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, that he gets one more win as well.

    Also; surely there will be a penalty for Maldonado after today. With the lack of gravel or walls, he had yards of tarmac to skirt across and then rejoin behind Hamilton (where he probably would’ve eventually got him.) To just drive into the side of him… it’s ridiculous. Given what happened to him today, I thought Lewis was incredibly calm in the post-race interviews, even if his steering wheel took a bit of abuse.

    1. Aaron James says:

      I was a Hakkinen fan back in the day so Schumacher was the anti-christ, but I’ve found myself warming to him and cheering him on.

      He’s racing for pleasure. Can’t fault the man. I hope he continues for a few seasons yet, there’s more yet to come.

  40. Michael Grievson says:

    Surely Maldonado should get a penalty for that move. Other drivers today got them.

    1. michael grievson says:

      Glad to see he got a penalty. Its a bit rich of him to spend the race running other drivers off the track, only to complain when it happens to you

    2. Kay says:

      I’d say FIA should just strip him of his superlicence for such an sportsmanlike behaviour

  41. Jey says:

    Just before the Hamilton \ Maldanado incident,Rosber was around 4.5 seconds behind Button.However at the end he ended up ahead of both Button and Direta.

    I believe he overtook them both under Yellow flags.Any news on that yet?

    1. Surya says:

      I was about to ask that as well, to nico looked like he overtook under yellow flags.

  42. For sure says:

    What an extremely stressful race. I have been waiting for this moment for 6 years and it came out of no where phew…

  43. Surya says:

    That was a fantastic race, and my goodness, who gave a F1 license to this guy pastor Maldonado. He has wrecked both their chances and should be suitably punished by a harsher penalty, as I heard Steve slater saying the idiot of the day goes to pastor from jean Eric Vergne.

  44. Timo says:

    What nobody is talking about — the race was won / lost in the pits.

    First round of pit stops:

    RAI: 21.879
    ALO: 19.790

    RAI’s stop was more than two seconds slower than ALO’s. And ALO came out ahead of RAI by less than 0.5 seconds after the first round of pit stops on lap 15.

    1. Elie says:

      Read my comment

    2. Sebastian says:

      Super interesting. Thank’s for this info!

    3. abashrawi says:

      Actually, if you scroll back you will see that must of RAI pitstops were slow throughout the season. And since GRO pit stops aren’t any better, i would conclude that Lotus does not have the best pit stop process.

    4. Iwan Kemp says:

      True. But then again Alo made a couple of quick, decisive moves when both he and Rai pulled up behind Webber and three other cars. Alo managed to pass all of them before Rai could even get passed Webber.

      Things like that that get you into a position to win a race when the opportunity comes.

  45. azac21 says:

    Fernando -THE GREAT- has done it again! Relentless, astonishing and inspirational!

    Even without Vettel’s retirement you could still see that Fernando gonna be in the fight for the win. He had charged on, on every single lap. Ferrari seemed to have low tyre deg today which was key for them. Fernando “simply” did the rest. Bring on Silverstone. Hopefully low temperature will slow down RBR and level the field.

  46. sumedh says:

    I think the actual incident between Hamilton and Maldonado is Maldonado’s fault.

    But you have to question Hamilton’s wisdom in trying to fight a hot-headed driver like Maldonado in the first place. I have no doubt that had Vettel or Alonso been in Hamilton’s place, they would have given up the place to Maldonado and get valuable points for the championship.

    Hamilton once again proves that he is the least-thinking driver among the three.. Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton

    1. Vinola says:

      Pure conjecture.

      1. Doobs says:

        Smells like a duck…

    2. Elie says:

      Not really he gave Pastor room and still ended up with him on his side pod . It was just impetuous stuff from Pastor!

      1. hero_was_senna says:

        Did he? Really?
        The previous lap, Lewis and Kimi had gone round the corner side by side, both within the tracks white lines.
        With Maldonado, into the braking area they were side by side and yet Hamilton eased Mad-one across the white line and “off track” after the initial apex.
        Whether we saw Pastor have a red mist moment, or loss of control, Lewis moved right and opened up his approach to the next corner which is when Pastor vaulted the kerbs and took Lewis out.

  47. Baktru says:

    I’m still wondering whether I was really watching Valencia today. I’ve always thought that track is definitely fun and interesting to drive on the XBox, but just doesn’t seem to produce good races. Hah. Not so any more, this was a good one.

    Driver for the day poll is for tomorrow I suppose but failures of the day is for now. Essentially, anything starting with M.

    McLaren: What is it with those pitstops? Srsly.
    Massa: Lonso wins. Massa finishes a lap behind. It’s not like Lonso’s in a Ferrari and Massa in a Fiat, is it?
    Maldonado: Luckily the incident was replayed a few times so I could hav a good look. So sure Hamilton was not generous with leaving room, but Maldonado was in the wrong there I think. Hamilton clearly agreed when he threw his steering wheel out of the car so hard it could have killed someone..

    1. William Wilgus says:

      Something about Massa being involved in a collision, perhaps?

  48. Bru72 says:

    Well done Alonso and Ferrari, brilliant. What an engaging race and mesmerising drive by Fernando.

  49. Rob Newman says:

    The race was quite good but I am absolutely gutted for Vettel. He didn’t put a foot wrong and did a fantastic race.

    I don’t think Maldonado should take the blame for the collision with Hamilton. He was trying to stay on the track but Hamilton didn’t want to give him one car length of space and paid the ultimate price.

    I hope Schumacher gets to keep his 3rd place. Keeping my fingers crossed. I am still waiting to see the report on Hamilton’s yellow flag incident.

    Vettel was robbed of his win, and the wrong driver won.

    1. Nigel says:

      If Maldonado really believed that Hamilton unfairly forced him off the track (& I don’t), the correct course would have been to complain to the stewards, not deliberately T-bone Hamilton.

      If Hamilton was in the wrong, he would then have been penalised.

      And he wasn’t ‘trying to stay on the track’. He left the track completely before driving into Hamilton.

      Maldonado’s behaviour was simply inexcusable.

    2. Nuno says:

      In 2010 ALO was robbed of WDC and the wrong driver won. Luck cannot be with you always.

      1. Rob Newman says:

        Alonso was not robbed of the WDC in 2010. He didn’t have the basic skills to overtake a rookie – Petrov. The right man went on to win that year.

      2. Nuno says:

        The same right man that didnt lead the championship till that point?…sure a worthy champion. I do like your fairness and neutral point of view.

  50. Edgp says:

    The main problem I have with a race like this is the disadvantage handed to some and the advantage handed to others the guys who do really well at the start are robbed of there good work and the ones who don’t do so well are given the opportunity to jump way up the field. I think the safety car system should be done away with in favour of running a yellow flag period where each driver has to run at a set lap time. This would be a fair system that would eliminate fake race results like today and Canada 2011.

    1. Cristobal says:

      Agreed. Safety cars are just another way for organisers to artificially manipulate closer results into the race. Just rubbish. The cars have a button that maintains a fixed speed for pit lane, why can’t they have a button for “full yellow flag conditions” that maintains each cars speed at a preset pace – allowing track positions to be maintained?

    2. Pman says:

      So what if some marshalls die in the process.

  51. Dan Orsino says:

    Great to see those three together on the podium. Dunno but I found it moving. Hope it happens again in the future, near and distant

    1. Lisa Thomas says:

      My feeling too. I loved that moment when they all three were chatting about like mates. Real fantastic pros these guys and just doing small talk.
      Kimi was smiling!

  52. Wu says:

    I’ve been saying it this year; Schumacher will have a day where everything goes his way and will get a podium or a win. 12 more races to go and after a podium and a pole, there’s no reason why he can’t get that one more win.

    All three of the podium finishers got lucky this race, but they have also driven superbly and deserve driver of the day title.

    1. Elie says:

      No one drove as good as Fernando driver of the day by a long shot !

  53. Luke Potter says:

    I think there are a few things that Formula 1 seriously needs to look at after today’s race.

    1) There is currently a major anomaly in F1 regarding penalties. Today, Bruno Senna received a drive-through which was essentially meaningless as he’d already dropped to the back. Kamui Kobayashi, however, will go back 5 places on the grid for the next race because he wasn’t running anymore when the penalty was handed out. I don’t think this is at all fair. Is there really a need to hand out penalties during the race at all? Would it not be better to always have grid penalties for the next race? The incidents could then be analysed properly in peace and quiet and the drivers would have a chance to explain themselves.

    I also think that penalties should really be the exception rather than the rule. Collisions will happen in F1 and the penalties should really only come when the driver has done something stupid (I would offer the Vergne incident as an example of this) rather than just having taken a calculated risk that didn’t pay off or having not seen someone (as in the Senna incident). The current culture that one of the two participants in an incident is always to blame is one that has to change.

    2) I’m becoming increasingly frustrated by the quality of the world television feed. There were two major emissions in the coverage – we were not shown onboard shots from Vettel’s or Hamilton’s car during their respective retirements. Why not? Both those cars have cameras on.
    There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding from the TV director of what fans want to see. If a yellow flag comes out, it should be the director’s utmost priority to show us what is happening, even if the incident is further down the field or if it is minor. It is perfectly OK to cut live to something while it is going on. And we want to see how the incident concludes. For example, I have no idea whether Daniel Ricciardo continued after his collision.

    And finally, I am not interested in seeing the team bosses on the pitwall or anyone in the paddock! I know what they look like. I do not see any need for any TV pictures during the race that do not have (or are not about to have) a car in them. The only possible exception I can think of is brief film of drivers coming back to the pits after retirements.

    1. Bobby says:

      Pretty much agree with all of that. I hate it at the end when they cut to the pit wall whooping and cheering when there’s still cars fighting for positions on track.

      Furious with yet another episode in the Maldonado brain fade show. If he isn’t thrown out of the next race it’s sets a worrying precedent. He’s had at least three minor reprimands for this sort of thing before, needs to be given a proper punishment now.

      Great drives by Alonso and Schumacher (whose luck seemed to turn this race), will be yet more disappointment if Schu loses his 3rd place.

      Vett’s pace was concerning, bodes ill for a boring rest of the season…

    2. Hahnsolo says:


    3. olivier says:

      Maldonado’s penalty is a joke as well. His move on Hamilton was as bad as Vergne’s move on Kovaleinen. Yet he gets away with a meaningless 20 second penalty … a 10 grid penalty on the next race would’ve been more appropriate.

      1. Kay says:

        10 grid penalty? If I were the FIA, Mal would’ve had his licence stripped. :D

    4. James Clayton says:

      Wait, were Senna and Bashi personalised for the same incident? That doesn’t make sense at all!

      1. Luke Potter says:

        No, Kobayashi was penalised for running into Massa later in the race.

      2. James Clayton says:

        Never mind, different incidents, never mind

    5. Aaron95 says:

      You have to apply penalties during the race where appropriate or else the system would be open to abuse. A driver who finds himself in the lead of a race might just decide to speed down the pitlane or not bother driving round some corners to secure the win and worry about any penalties later.

      1. Luke Potter says:

        Not sure that there are any tracks in F1 where you could gain an advantage by driving down the pitlane as fast as possible instead of using the start finish straight!

        More seriously, though, I think you’re reading a bit too much into what I’m saying. Such flagrant rule breaking as you’re describing would of course merit an instant disqualification. I’m talking about penalties for incidents that are much more borderline and open to debate. If you like, incidents where the act being penalised was not a premeditated, deliberate one.

      2. James Allen says:

        Silvesrtone last year – teams had to be warned not to finish the race in pit lane by Charlie Whiting, as it would be faster

        They’ve changed it for this year so it cannot happen. Makes stops longer too

      3. Aaron95 says:

        I’m not suggesting that an advantage could be gained by driving through the pits but why slow down when you come in for a stop if there is no penalty that will be applied?

      4. Luke Potter says:

        As I said above, my suggestion relates to incidents that are “borderline and open to debate”. As a pitlane speeding offence is a clear cut situation (you’ve either exceeded the limit or you haven’t), it could be penalised in the race, no problem.

  54. Ian says:

    Maldanado hamilton incident – Is it not the responsibility of the overtaking driver to make a clean pass not the driver in front to move over?

  55. JohnBt says:

    Most passes were made not from DRS if I’m not wrong. What a race! Sure didn’t feel anything like Valencia.

    Congrats to Alonso! With so many overtaking moves the spanish fans must have gone mad. Wished Kimi was closer in the fight if not for the lower placings in the early part.

    When Shumi stood on the podium with Aonso and Kimi, it brought back memories…..nice one Schumi.

    Felt really sorry for Vettel, Grojean and Hamilton.

  56. kfzmeister says:

    Yes. That is the answer to your Valencia GP question in your heading!!!

  57. Haydn Lowe says:

    What a race! I can’t believe that Valencia produced such a thriller!

    That was the European Grand Prix…

    …in Valencia…

    and it was AWESOME!

    So happy for Alonso and what about that for a podium? True, Schumi was there through as much luck as judgement, but his final stint on the new tyres was (almost) as good as Alonso’s second stint which got him into contention for the win.
    It really does warm the heart to see that the wins mean so much to the drivers. I’m sure Alonso is going to get (a completely unjustified) ‘stewarding’ for the scenes after the race, but come on – it was brilliant to see, and I can’t begin to imagine how the fans in that grandstand must have felt!

    (ps – any word on when you’ll draw for the first double winner prediction prize?)

  58. Alex says:

    The happiest man in the pitlane about Hamilton-Maldonado’s crash MUST be Withmarsh. This way he does not have to explain why AGAIN his pitcrew failed miserably. This man has to quit,he runs a multimillion dollars company and his crew are the only ones making silly mistakes races after race and this “manager” can’t get it fixed.

  59. Paul R says:

    Disgusted at Maldonado, what an idiot, he may be fast at times, but he has shown yet again he is far too ragged to be in F1.

    Lewis had clearly taken his line, Pastor had no way through, so he went off the track, , then seemed to believe he could somehow barge his way into a space he would like to be in, despite Lewis being there already.

    Race Ban for Maldonado.[mod] Repeatedly driving dangerously, it is not as if he has not been told already. Monaco ? I cannot actually remember seeing another driver so petulantly make a swipe at another, yes, alonso on Hamilton at Eau Rouge, Spa in 07 was more dangerous, but not so stupidly dangerous.

    1. Mike from Colombia says:

      Pay driver Maldonado wins one race in the unpredictable anyone-can-win 2012 season and then starts to believe in his own hype.

      Amateur in the extreme and definitely deserves a race win. Did he honestly think that he would try to scare someone like Lewis Hamilton off the track?

      He should be put on some type of anger management course and made an example of.

      1. Mike from Colombia says:

        race ban !

      2. Doobs says:

        Maldo is the new Hami. A few years ago Lewis was driving exactly the same. Why was it OK then?

      3. James Clayton says:

        A few years ago he was not racing like that. At times last year, maybe.

        And it wasn’t OK then. Why is it now?

  60. DK says:

    Was never a fan of Alonso but in this race I have to admit that he is indeed a true champion.

    Champions make their  own luck. When Vettel’ engine failed, Alonso has made sure he was right there to grab the opportunity to lead the race. Never give up, that’s what the man said. Had he not passed Grojean at the restart, the outcome might have been different. I felt sorry for both Vettel and Grojean as both of them have driven superbly until hardware failure hit them.

    James, this podium indeed look like a Ferrari reunion party. Andrea Stella served as race engineer to all the three drivers, right?

    1. Antti says:

      It was great to see Stella chat with Kimi and Schumi while they were waiting for Alonso to get to the podium. Everyone seemed genuinely happy for each other. Even Kimi and Michael gave each other a warm hug with smiles!

      1. OJ says:

        It shows why the drivers want to race for Ferrari once; you do not drive of work for a manufacturer, you race with and for a life time family.

  61. Darren says:

    What a race, never thought I would be saying that about Valencia!

    Alonso showed just what a class act he is, I missed the start live but I was astounded by his start when I saw the replays. Unlucky for Massa he seemed to be having a pretty decent run. Likewise for Vettel, he did nothing wrong but thats the way it goes sometimes, I think the cars are almost too reliable thsese days to be honest. Well done Schumacher he was lucky to get 3rd but he was overdue a bit of luck this year! Solid by Raikkonen but is he aggressive enough, I expect more from him. Webber drove a solid race and was lucky to get up to 4th from such a bad quali. Was Button even in the race? Seriously needs to sort his game out.

    Now then, Hamilton…
    To put it simply I think the crash was Maldonados fault, Hamilton pushed him wide and off the track, cheeky but not outrageous. Maldonado should not have attempted the next corner from the position he was in he should have backed out of it.

    But, I think Hamilton should have just let him go he was clearly going to get past him at some point. He should have done exactly what Alonso and Vettel did to him in Canada, i.e. give him a little fight but if its clear it is going to be a fruitless exercise let him go and get on with trying to go as quick as you can / save the tyres.

    By fighting with Maldonado he was costing himself overall time and trashing what was left of his tyres, If he had let him go that may have been the only place he lost, at worst Schumi and Webber would have got him too.

    Anyway as I said I think Maldonado was at fault for the crash itself but the whole incident didnt need to happen. Hamilton is a racer and as it was the second or third to last lap or whatever you can see why he wanted to try and fend him off. Hindsight is a great thing and he will be sick about that one but it didnt need to happen.

  62. Matt W says:

    Not surprised the FIA haven’t sanctioned Alonso and Ferrari for their antics on the slow down lap. They shouldn’t of course, but if that was a Mclaren driver mingling with fans and British marshals you can bet the driver, team and circuit would be in trouble.

    Anyway, fantastic drive by Alonso and Schumacher. Felt the Hamilton incident was down to Lewis losing his head. He shouldn’t lose points defending so hard against a championship non-entity. He should have let Maldo have the position and gone home with the 3rd place. Instead he has nothing.

    1. kfzmeister says:

      4th place?

      1. Kay says:

        Could’ve been 5th. :D

  63. zombie says:

    Idiots ( SPEED TV ) in states decided not to telecast the race live in their infinite wisdom! Apart from that, it did indeed moist my eyes when i saw the “old guards” take charge on the podium once again. As for Schumacher, wow! It took a while coming, and i dont know if he’ll win another race though i’m hoping he will, but a worthy podium to add to his illustrious life. He stood on the podium in Piquet Sr,Senna and Prost’s generation, he stood on the podium with Hill, Mika and Villeneuve, he stood on the podium in the generation of Alonso, Kimi and Massa and now he once more stood on the podium among the new kids ( some of them young enough to be his sons ) Grosjean, Vettel, Hamilton etc..

    1. Don Farrell says:

      @ Zombie : Thanks for highlighting the link Schumacher’s podium brings to past masters…. an interesting thought to ponder.

    2. hero_was_senna says:

      Piquet Snr retired at the end of 1991.
      MSC never stood on the podium till the following season.

      1. zombie says:

        I said “generation” and not with Piquet. He did have the measure of Piquet despite a 200 race difference between them !

    3. Johnny Z says:

      Um,no. That decision comes down from Fox. If it was up to Speed TV, they’d televise every race live, as well as televise FP1 and FP3. Speed can’t prevent Fox from taking a GP and broadcasting it on delay on their network flagship. I hate it when it happens but Fox owns Speed and Fox makes the rules.

  64. Sergio says:

    Stop FOM biased broadcasting. No more McLaren “family members” images after dozens of replays of English duo overtaking & no one view of Ferrari Garage and miserable replays and opportune cutting before to Alonso’s pass.
    FOM is totally biased as a Hollywood melodrama script. The Edit Videos of Official website are for McLaren fans. ¿What’s this?
    By tjhe other side, New rules this year say that a driver has let enough room to other driver. Lewis didn’t. They judged the action from Maldonado’s move. Stop biased application of rules and biased FOM TV retransmission.

    1. hero_was_senna says:

      Do you remember having to watch Hakkinen’s wife back when he was racing…oh dear lord!!

      1. Buddy says:

        Yes, and if Mika happened to crash out or make a mistake, you could tell, just by reading her face in the garage, that Mika was in deep trouble when he got home :)

      2. Sergio says:

        Well, I feel more or less the same as you right now with Bernie Ecclestone FOM retransmission. I watched several times Montezemolo’s disappointment face on Saturday, but no image at all of Ferrari’s garage on Sunday after all Alonso’s maneouvres. No emotion, nothing left to the Spaniard. Only the evident crowd of whom aclaimed him so louder that it was impossible to avoid it. I remember 2010′s Valencia robbery of FOM & Whiting for the rest of my life, as an example of political polite robbery. Edited videos on F1 website are a SHAME. FOM infringed art. 27 of FIA General prescriptions but for English Media Press it’s Ok. Well at least, it exists poetic justice with all results in Sport.
        And now it’s time for English media to prosecute Maldonado as the Evil man, but Hamilton’s deserved a penalization first for closing the door ilegally. The story continues… Alonso is Don Quixote fighting against windmills. Do you guess who are windmills? Not just the drivers.

  65. Nismo + F11 says:

    Hamilton could have won if Mclaren, did not mess his second pit stop. Hamilton would not have needed to over use his tyres starting from 6th. Now with Maldanado, if we go back to Monaco he did use his car against Perez during practice. In this incident Maldanado went off track but in doing so should have waited and then execute the overtake on the following run Kimi did it as well. Maldanado needs help in controlling his anger.

    James will Mclaren re-organise their pit crew after
    todays incident?.

    1. James Allen says:

      They did the 2 fastest stops today, but then one problem

      1. jeff says:

        Yeah, but it seems there’s one problem at every race. :-(

      2. Nismo + F1 says:

        Thanks James, I did find out later that the Jack had problems a manufacturing defect.

    2. Nuno says:

      It is right that the pit stop put him a couple of places back, but dont forget that he was in 2nd, so I think that the pit stop didnt loose him the race today…tyres did

  66. Nismo + F11 says:

    I did like Alonso’s drive from 11th to 1st, this again shows a fresh set of tyres does wonders on 1st stint. Lewis to win Silverstone if Mclaren re-organise their pit crew?.

    1. Johnny Z says:

      Ferrari were awfully strong at Silverstone a year ago. Alonso beat both Red Bulls by 16 seconds. Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren and Lotus can all win the race.

      1. James Clayton says:

        There were slightly farcical special circumstances around Ferrari’s form at Silverstone last year.

  67. Oliver says:

    As much as I understand the point that Hamilton should have accepted the point, I don’t see why people are saying it. Just because of maldonados attitude why should drivers get out of the way of him. Hamiltons movement was perfectly legit, fair and safe, it was maldonado that created the issue. By saying he shild have moved out the way is like saying you should appease the school playground bully. It’s not right.

    1. kfzmeister says:

      We’ve seen some real signs of growth from Hamilton as of late. Patiently scoring in every race. We’ve also seen Alonso concede a position, or two, when his tires were either not up to temp yet, or they were worn. Hamilton will know himself that he simply should have conceded that position.
      It would have been a further sign of maturity and true Championship material. Just watch Alonso.

  68. Titus Pullo says:

    Just got done watching the delayed broadcast here in the States, after avoiding the results, and wow!! what a fun race. Who would have thought Valencia would produce it??

    1. Nuno says:


      Im moving to the states (houston) this year and Im concerned with not being able to watch live F1. What are the best options that I have?


      1. zombie says:

        Get satellite TV and get a south american paid sports channel, or just use one of the many internet links that streams live F1 races despite shoddy quality.

  69. manu says:

    Alonso is a masterclass.

    A great getaway yields a 3 spot gain. Later he takes Hulk then Maldo on the track (let’s not forget Maldo qualified well yesterday). He then stays out longer to pass Kobayashi and Raikonnen (helped with great Ferrari pit work).

    Back in he takes Webber, Senna, Schu and Di Resta in quick succession – Raikonnen is unable to do so as quickly. Alonso is now behind Ham and starts to reel him in.

    The safety car is deployed, Grosjean, Ham, Raikonnen and Alonso pit. Who’s lost his big cushion? Vettel – A racing incident wipes out his comfortable lead.

    Alonso storms past Grosjean at the restart and begins to build up a small lead. Would Grosjean have been able to retake 2nd by passing Alonso? Would Alonso have been able to take Vettel?

    I’ll venture and say that the mechanical failures suffered by Grosjean and Vettel may have deprived us of an even bigger Alonso win

  70. Cliff says:

    Momentum is a powerfull tool, Ferrari has it in abundance. Rewind to Australia when they were just happy to bag some points to where we find ourselves now. Having scored points in unlikely circumstances Alonso and Ferrari will take some stopping. McLaren will feel this most, had they bagged more points in the fly-aways, they would now have some wriggle room. As it is they now have to play catch-up.

    God I wish Alonso was still in a McLaren!

    1. hero_was_senna says:

      Do you know Cliff, I never liked Ron Dennis, and before that Mclaren, dating back to the 70′s.
      I suppose a natural Mclaren vs Ferrari fan thing.

      But there are times, when he’s on screen, that i wish this arrogant man well, because he and Alonso fell out.
      Absolutely brilliant, lmao

    2. Kay says:

      For one I don’t, Alonso ain’t happy there :( He looks like a happier man now at Ferrari :D

  71. Wu says:

    Schumacher is not penalised having slowed down enough for the yellow flags…

    No idea where Brawn got his 30m data from, probably from where the sun don’t shine :p

    Anyway, it’s great Schumi gets to keep his points, but I’d be happy with the penalty anyway. It’s been a long time coming, but I never lost doubt. Bring on the win!

    1. Doobs says:

      They know where the car is on the track (GPS tracking that gives us those graphics)and the telemetry tells then exactly when the DRS opens and closes.

  72. Don Farrell says:

    Great race… not just because Alonso won! :D Was a race full of action… some drivers had lots of good luck(Alonso & Schumacher) others had lots of bad luck (Hamilton, Vettel & Grosjean) and of course plenty of drivers just been utterly careless on the track!!

    Who thought Valencia could be so exciting???


  73. Wu says:

    I have a random question for James or anyone else; Today the podium had 3 world champions with 10 titles between them. (7,2,1) Is this a record? There is a potential for 11 this year (Vettel instead of Raikkonen), and 12 next year if Vettel or Alonso win this year and next year they’re on the podium with Schumi.

    1. James Allen says:

      I noticed that and tweeted it at the time. Must be, surely?

      I can’t see how we could have had more than 10 championships on a podium in the past. In 2006 Schumacher (7) was on the podium with Alonso (1) and Raikkonen only has one

      1. hero_was_senna says:

        Prost, Senna and Piquet would have been the only possibility. 4,3 and 3.
        But although they finished their careers with those figures, Piquet was retired when Prost won his final one.

  74. Michael S says:

    Lewis should have let Kimi by to fight Alonso… he needed Alonso to not win and he needed to keep his tires… by fighting Kimi forever, he wore his tires out and allowed Maldando to close in and we all know what happened then….
    Learn to think title Lewis, don’t get so emotional

    1. Pman says:

      Not really the case. Their lap times were slower by a couple of tenths. Alonso was faster than both of them. Kimi also mentioned that he was not waiting for LH’s tires to expire. He just did not have the speed.

    2. abashrawi says:

      My thought exactly, last race Vettel did not bother defending much faster Hamilton because he wanted to put Alonso in trouble. Very smart!

    3. Doobs says:

      Alonso has worked it out and leads the championship in what’s def not the best car.

  75. Anand says:

    Hello James,

    Why isn’t Maldonado being more severely penalized after Repeated rash driving. Its ok to drive rashly the way he did and crash oneself out.. but just bitter when you crash someone else out, whether that someone is P1 or P24.

    On a lighter note, reminds me of Auto-Rickshaw drivers in India… well even they show some respect when cutting lanes.

    Saddens me that he is also a GP winner and a hero in his country. Bad example for young drivers world wide and Venezuela in particular.

    If stewards deem Hamilton had to be moved to the back of the grid for lack of 1L of fuel, Maldonado should be moved out of GP Racing for 1-2 races to sort his anger and rashness.

    Very sad state of affairs.

  76. I think the wrong guy won, mean, the wrong Spanish guy – for me, de la Rosa was the driver of the race, absolutely. Although, if “driver of the race” feature makes a shock comeback on JAONF1, I’ll probably vote for Petitjean.

    All in all, I think McClarren must sack both their drivers and hire somebody else, deez guys simply can’t put together a meaningful championship campaign. Get Al Guershuari and Buemi on the horn, they’ll drive wheels of that McClawrrenn to finish on the podium at every race.

  77. Kedar says:

    First of all a cracker of a race and mainly it was due to classical F1 elements (safety car, engine failure, etc) and not due to Pirelli Degradation.
    After the race I heard Pat Fry say Ferrari managed Thermal Deg better than wear Deg. Can you please do a feature on that and explain what that means?
    Its fascinating to know that there different type of “degradation” even.

    1. JCA says:

      I think Indycar make lapped cars go through the pitlane during safetycar periods. Isn’t this a better and faster way. to restart the race?

  78. Tornillo Amarillo says:

    I’m concerned by the McLaren team:
    1. its engineers not improving the car
    2. its pitstops chronic disease
    3. bad strategies

    HELL would be like a “McLaren pits”, wouldn’t it? I wouldn’t want to be there forever, horrible!

    By the way, what about McLaren performance? It should be very worry to watch Vettel taking such advantage, eh? 1 second per lap!
    I think McLaren did not build any upgrade this race, so what’s happen with the engineers, at least trying something new?

    And what about McLaren strategies, it didn’t work for Hamilton and neither for Button, how can they think the WCC will be won?
    Bullier is smarter than Whitmarsh?
    Webber 4th and Button where?

    Maldonado is the evil, buy you have to try to avoid evils… Alonso keep 5 position in Canada when the tyres faded, so he took 10 points, so I really don’t understand Hamilton racing the evil, YOU SHOULD JUST TRY TO AVOID IT!

    If you ask “Except Alonso, who was the driver of the day” I would say Raikkonen, because of his patience, style while overtaking, and results.

    Still Alonso is not the 2012 Champion, there are 300 points to grab and you don’t need to be in qualify 3 for get 25!

    1. Kay says:

      Whereas the dude who’s in Q3 and took pole got 0 :D

    2. Doobs says:

      Macca probably saving their upgrades for Silverstone.

    3. James Clayton says:

      It’s clear to me that McLaren, at best, is the 4th fastest car after Red Bull, Lotus and Ferrari. When Williams and Sauber get it together, they are also faster than the McLaren. Hamilton is putting the car in places it has no right to be, just as he did in 2009.

      This is causing Jenson to look bad, when he’s probably in about the position the car should be (slightly lower, perhaps).

      1. Kay says:

        I’d say Jenson is just doing the job fine to show to the world of the actual place he should belong to on the grid. Unless he gets another Brawn GP dominant car otherwise he’s gonna be around where he is currently.

      2. Peter C says:

        Always bad Button….zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

      3. Kay says:

        Peter, I ain’t stopping you to like him. I don’t dislike him but like I mentioned somewhere above and in previous comments on JA’s previous articles, he is just hugely overrated that’s all.

  79. Vantro says:

    Kimi seems to be quite unlucky this year. For example in many of the pit stops he marginally loses out to other cars. Alonso had a almost two seconds faster first pit stop than Kimi and was extremely narrowly overtaking him. Just marginally faster pit stop for Kimi and he could have Lotus first win this year.

    1. Michael S says:

      I agree… he blew Maldanado and Romain off the line, but then got pushed off track by Maldanado and fell all the way to 6th

    2. Stone the crows says:

      Kimi is unlucky every year. It’s what we look for when he’s leading by 20 seconds and there’s one lap to go… and then an anvil falls out of the sky.

  80. zx6dude says:

    So Jean-Eric Vergne and Sauber driver Kamui Kobayashi have been punished for causing collisions in Valencia with grid drops for the British Grand Prix. Maldonado was found guilty of causing a collsion with Lewis Hamilton but he gets a 20 second penalty. Is anyone able to explain why Maldonado’s punishment is different? Very weird.

    1. Mike from Colombia says:

      Is anyone able to explain why Maldonado’s punishment is different?

      Yes, it involved Hamilton.

      1. Nuno says:

        Same Hamilton involved in passing under yellows (no action)? Same Hamilton reprimanded by the Stewards during quali because he slowed Romberg’s lap (no action)? Please stop with these conspiracy theories.

        The reason why the penalty is different is because MAL was still racing (10th place) while the others have DNF

      2. James Clayton says:

        I don’t like to get involved in bickering, but Hamilton was not involved in passing under yellows – he set a green sector but McLaren proved to the stewards that he did in fact lift.

        And he wasn’t reprimanded for qualifying – he was found to not have done anything wrong…

      3. Simple says:

        It demoted Maldonado from a points finish. I think it’s a bit light seeing that Lewis lost his points finish as well, but they can only apply a time penalty or a grid penalty. The points loss is probably the harsher penalty…

  81. Lexus says:

    I drove from London to Valencia to watch the race for my birthday. It is my first grand prix.

    The weather was very good 30C but there was sea breeze every now and then to stop me fainting.

    I never realised how loud an F1 car is. I did not have ear plugs but a fellow country man had a spare which he gave to me. Without them I would be deaf.

    You may not take my word for it but you have to be there to know how loud an F1 car is. They remind me of when the Concorde use to fly over London and that is not an exaggeration. When you have all the cars going around on the 1st lap you have to put your hand over your ears with the ear plug already in.

    Maybe I should attend more Grand Prix as I thought this one would be boring and look how it turned out.

    The race experience can be better on TV as the commentary was in Spanish as it should be for the audience and the large screen was not as good as the TV broadcast in the UK so I could not follow everything that was happening.

    Alonso drove the race of his life and I am HAPPY to say so as a HAMILTON FAN. I really don’t understand the hatred in F1 fans for one driver or another. I support Arsenal and do not hate any other footballers from any other team. I support Usain Bolt and do not hate any other runners. F1 would not be as exciting as it is today without LH, SV, FA and all the others.

    When Hamilton crashed the Spanish crowd cheered so loud I thought something else was happening. I did not cheer when Vettel retired.

    Normally I would have felt very disappointed by Hamilton’s retirement but there was so much else to enjoy, the weather, the scenery that I do not feel bad at all. It will even itself out during the year.

    If Hamilton lose the championship I blame McLaren. If they had not messed up his pit stop he would not have had to push the tyres as hard and would have had more left at the end of the race. To add to that McLaren have cost LH a very good lead in the championship by their previous errors. However, LH has never had an easy championship or win so we will see what happens. McLaren also seem to be the unable to develop the car. They seem to be concentrating on JB problems and not giving LH the support he needs to clearly win the championship. However, it is a trait of McLaren to throw championships away. Another team does not have to sabotage them, they are busy doing that to themselves.

    Valencia is a really beautiful place to live. I am feeling depressed preparing to come back to London given the recent drought.

    I met about 5 UK fans who bought their tickets from Simply ticket who then had to buy their tickets again to get to the race. I guess they had no choice as they had flight and hotel booked separately. One chap told me he went to Simply Ticket office in Kensington and it turned out to be a block of flats. He is hoping the credit card company will reimburse him under their guarantee and I hope they do so.

    A Spanish fan asked me if I hated Alonso. I said no. I said I would love to see them in the same team. Why? because the drama and tension that would be provided to F1 fans would be priceless although Bernie and Sky would try to put a price on it.

    I read a lot of the articles but hardly post any as I do not want to get into the nastiness that some fans post.

    But I just had to say something about my first live F1 experience. I now know I have to go to at least one grand prix per year.

    1. James Allen says:

      Thanks very much for sharing your experience with us

    2. Jeremiah says:

      Living in Spain, I can say that everyone admires and appreciates British things.
      It is a pity that the public cheered about LH´s crash – the news here is very partial and likes to stir controversy.
      Hope you had a good time! sorry for the public reaction —

      1. hero_was_senna says:

        To e honest, I cheered both Vettel and Hamilton retirements.
        I don’t wish any ill to either, but it strengthens Alonso Chmapionship standing.

        I can guarantee that Lewis fans would have cheered the retirement of Vettel also.

        It’s about the bigger picture.

    3. hero_was_senna says:

      That first time will always be special.

      I first attended the British GP in 1982, and have been going to at least one Grand Prix every year since.

      Safe journey home. BTW, if you need a travelling companion next time, lol

    4. Vinola says:

      V. nice. I recall my first experience in the era of v12 engines. I can still feel the goose-bumps! It really does stay with you for a long time. I haven’t been to one in a decade, but I’m looking forward to the Austin race this fall. And, I agree with you, one can be a fan of a particular driver (Hamilton in my case) and still be fair about other drivers. It seems like a novelty around here sometimes.

    5. Kay says:

      “A Spanish fan asked me if I hated Alonso. I said no. I said I would love to see them in the same team.”

      To be completely honest, I think all this hatred stuff between the British and the Spanish (and Hamilton v Alonso) were gigantically enlarged by the media, just for the sake of creating stories etc.

    6. OJ says:

      Try to get to Singapore and buy a walk about pass for 3 days, I do it every year. Its the best way to see, smell, hear and feel the power of the F1 cars ever. On some places they are max 5 meters away from you and you feel the ground vibrating when they accelerate. If only it would be not so humid and hot…

  82. phishbone says:

    Words fail me to describe the excellence of Alonso’s drive. Hats off to Nando on a well earned win. Ferrari/Alonso are making this life long McLaren fan actually cheer for them. *gulp*

    McLaren continue to throw away good points with silly mistakes. How much longer will this stand until heads roll?

  83. CM says:

    Wreckless Maldonado needs a ban. Frank W needs to find some $ from somewhere and get rid of him. He is not worthy of being in a team with such pedigree.

    Felt sorry for Grosjean.. funny to see everyone finally realising that he is world class.

    Never been an Alonso fan, but this was brilliant, emotional stuff.. driving of a true champion.

    McLaren yet again screw-up Hamilton’s race.. he has no chance of this Championship with their pit stop nonsense.

    Tremendous race, even with the tyre lottery/joke business this year, that prevents a racer from racing.

    1. Brace says:

      I’d say Alonso was pretty much racing when he made all those great overtakes.

      1. hero_was_senna says:

        I agree.

        Regarding CM and the Grosjean comment, I always knew he was world class, [mod]
        Seems that those Ferrari years when Massa was beating him conclusively was more accurate of his ability [mod]

  84. Mike from Colombia says:

    Appalled by Maldonado and his attitude. Not only in this race but for what he did to Hamilton in Belgium 2011 and to Perez at Monaco this year. He has to remember that these are not the streets of Caracas.

    And all this by someone who is supposedly taught by the Rob Wilson. Pretty poor tuition if manners and temperament are not part of the course.

    This guy is unbelievable and will not learn until he faces a race ban. Too many slaps on the wrist with minimal consequences.

    What happens if he suddenly has a rage outburst in the pitlane? He could end up seriously injuring someone.

  85. Charalampos says:

    Well done to schumi. I hope his next good result comes in a race where everything does not go crazy. That way we can feel he earned it more

  86. Backmarker says:

    I’m not surprised that most of the talk above concerns the incident between Hamilton and Maldonado. My view matches that of the majority: Maldonado was at fault (and he has been given a meaningless penalty); but Hamilton and McLaren will reflect, quietly, that discretion might have been the better part of valour. The points for finishing fourth would have been very handy.

    What I haven’t seen mentioned yet is the lack of a second intervention by the safety car while Vettel’s abandoned car was being recovered. Double waved yellows or not, it was scary to see the pack thundering past at nearly racing speed while there were marshals on the track and concrete walls on both sides. If any cars had collided or hit either wall at that point, those marshals pushing Vettel’s car would have been in the lap of the gods. We got away with it this time, but it was a completely unnecessary risk.

    1. tom in adelaide says:

      Agreed, that really was crazy.

    2. Johnny Z says:

      Maldonado was at fault for hitting Hamilton but Hamiilton needlessly risked this collision happening in the first place. His robust defending probably made his worn tyres even worse and he quite possibly would have lost out to the storming Schumacher and Webber. If he lets Maldonado by early, watches the tyres and goes into damage limitation mode, he’s looking at 4th place and 12 points to his tally. Being 11 points behind Alonso in 2nd place in the WDC would have been a fine result today. Now Lewis has more work to do and Fernando isn’t making any mistakes. McLaren and Ferrari also need to be very concerned with the ease that Vettel dominated this GP prior to the Safety Car. If his RB8 doesn’t expire, this one wouldn’t have been close.

    3. Tim B says:

      Good point on the marshals – I think Martin Brundle said something similar during the broadcast.

  87. Mild Seventy says:

    The wildest discussion seems to be over Hamilton/Maldonado case. I think both drivers were wrong.

    Hamilton forced Maldonado off the track in the right hand corner. Maldonado gave a deserved punishment for the briton. Should the Williams driver tolerate that someone is pushing him off? Maybe…

    The thing is that referees should give penalties, not the drivers. In addition to that, Maldonados move in the left hand corner was a little risky, because he was always going to break his own car there or gain a place by doing something very close to cutting a corner. Considering he was already doing great, heading towards good points in a midfield team, plus the tyre situation, was taking such a risk there really necessary?
    Although, this question applies to Hamilton`s actions as well.

    Common sense did not win, but justice did, I thought initially. Now only Maldonado is penalised, which is not right, because I dont feel that he triggered the incident.

  88. Mike from Colombia says:

    R word for McLaren needed.

    Rethink, reshuffle, redundancies, retirement, resign….I don’t know which or how many needed.

    A few mess ups can be considered bad luck. But every single week? The team asks Hamilton to push to gain tenths of his rivals and then costs him 9 seconds by not having having properly tested the front jack.

    McLaren is also competing against a one-man focussed super team of Ferrari. Hamilton can never compete on an even level with Alonso if McLaren are unable or unwilling to declare a team No. 1. McLaren realised that Hakkinen was a better bet than DC and were successful as a result, that Hamilton was better than Kovalainen and were successful as a result.

    Martin Whitmarsh seems to lack that killer 10% that Ron Dennis had in terms of not worrying about upsetting people. Looking after Button’s woes is creating too much of a compromise and hurting the team’s effort as a result.

    There is not much wrong with McLaren, as opposed to their racing ethos in the face of one man teams such as Ferrari and to a certain extent Red Bull.

    If McLaren wants the best from Hamilton then they need to give him number one status. Otherwise they face another 10 years in the world championship wilderness. Give him the car that he needs and the backing that he needs to chase down Alonso and Vettel.

    If I was Hamilton then I would look to stay at McLaren but to negotiate if at all possible some kind of preferential status. If not, then he is wasting his time.

    If this does not happen, Hamilton will go and McLaren will end up with a second league driver willing to keep his head down and say Vodafone McLaren Mercedes at every opportunity. The team will continue to be brilliantly immaculate and produce beautiful cars…but the trophy cabinet will remain empty.

    A new team manager with a more ruthless streak is needed. But who with any flair would want to step into straight-jacket environment of McLaren?

    Horner: too tied to Red Bull and Newey
    Flavio: would be a great choice, but too tainted
    Bob Bell: maybe
    Domenicali: maybe, if Alonso does not win and he gets fired from Ferrari

    The ideal situation for Hamilton would be to team up with Ross Brawn…but with Ross at the helm of McLaren…will never happen.

  89. Julian says:

    What a barnstormer of a race!

    Laps 19-20 was incredible, seeing a line of 10 cars all trying to overtake each other – I have never seen this before in 12 years of watching F1!

    Not gonna say the obvious about Alonso’s drive. However, Vettel’s pace is rather ominous if this sets the tone for the rest of the season. The guy was lapping at least a second faster than anyone else…

  90. Lisa Thomas says:

    Hi James, I’m pleased Alonso took this most impressive of F1 wins this year, and it has to be said he had Grosjean beaten well before that dnf so I’m only really sorry for Vittel.
    I’m wondering though, if Alonso had made Q3, he wouldn’t have had new tyres.
    Do you think drivers are not penalised for qualifying at top of grid?

    1. James Allen says:

      It’s been like that since Pirelli came in. But at same time, most winners are the drivers who lead the opening lap.

      You can come through the field on new tyres, that’s clear. But to win isn’t easy and Alonso’s race was a complex series of events which gave him the opportunity to win

    2. Buddy says:

      Yes, as James said, Alonso and Ferrari capitalised on some events that may not have normally occurred:

      1. Vettel and Grojean retirements
      2. Kimi’s slow pit – resulting in losing track position to F.A.
      3. McLaren’s botch pit stop (quite regular actually)
      4. Vergne’s brain fade resulting in a safety car
      5. Hulkenburg’s KERS failure – he might have held Alonso back a little longer at the start of the race.
      6. Alonso missing out on Q3 and having two sets of new softs allowing him to catch and pass so many cars.
      7. Alonso and Grosjean made contact, after the restart – but luckily no damage was done. The same cannot be said for Senna/Kobi, Kobi/Massa, Vergne/Heikki, Maldo/Hamilton – where contact was made and both drivers sustained major damage.

      I still believe that Fernando would have made the podium for 3rd place finish had Seb & Romain completed the race. Hamilton’s tyres wouldn’t have lasted the distance.

  91. Carl Sampson says:

    Well who would have thought that at the start of the day that Valencia would end up having the most exciting race of the year so far, Alonso would win the race despite not making Q3, and that Mark Webber would be second in the championship points.

  92. Methusalem says:

    An interesting race from several perspectives. But,

    1. Why was no Safteycar out after Vettel stopped? I have never seen cars removed from track while the others are flying by 300km per hour.

    2. Schumacher opened his DRS under yellow flag, and no punishment. Why is that?

    3. Round 8: Vettel was ahead of Hamilton by 8 seconds. How was that possible? Does RB have illegal cars — again?

  93. anon says:

    Three past and present Ferrari drivers on the podium, with 10 world championships between them, and with the current Ferrari driver winning the race. For once, I like this roll of the die in the lottery that is the 2012 season.

  94. Aaron James says:

    Honourable mentions to the HRT’s once again for finishing ahead of the Marussia of Pic- get well soon Timo…. am I right in saying James they can only replace drivers on Friday or before, hence why Glock wasn’t replaced? Also, some people need to cut HRT a bit of slack, what they are doing with 85 people and a tight budget is phenomenal. Them along with Caterham and Marussia came into the sport under the premise of equality under a budget cap which never materialised.

    Driver of the Day for me was the man with the giant eyebrows- Fernando. I’m not a fan of his but he is the best all round driver out there by far.

    1. James Clayton says:

      They were probably glad of the money saved by not running Timo! Unless they had a reserve driver they could have milked a sponsor for putting in a race?

  95. Chrisf1 says:

    Pastor Maldonado is a bone head, particularly for someone who spreads the word of God.

    1. Satish says:

      That’s his name, not his title :)

  96. Pman says:

    Is it just me or do Williams have the F1 equivalent of suicide b***ers for drivers?

    I wonder how much Williams actually makes off these guys when you consider that these guys bring half a car back to the pits a lot of the times.

  97. Myer says:

    Can anyone qualify that these comments were made by Sebastian:

    Bit of a sore loser if they were….

    1. Nuno says:

      Specially for some one that should be grateful that his first WDC was “given” because of a safety car

      1. James Allen says:

        Safety cars are the same for everyone

      2. Anil says:

        Exactly. Very sad to see Seb make those comments, not the first time he’s reacted very badly to the press.

  98. Andrew says:

    I can’t believe Maldonado saw it as Hamilton’s fault, “He tried to put me off the track,” LoL!!

    Maldonado spent the entire race pushing people of track.

  99. Nic Maennling says:

    Great race, but am I the only one who is sick to death of DC’s commentary box mate and his unnecessary hysterical screaming ? Growling hysteria about an overtaking move that is strictly in his head.

    Will someone please have a loud whisper in his ear ?

    1. azac21 says:

      Please can someone fit a silencer to him???? It is getting ridiculous. Middle of the road commentary delivered in a series of screams…

    2. ArJay says:

      [Note to moderator: Duplicate submission. If there's anything 'offensive' in my reply, kindly edit rather than dismiss in its entirety, e.g.:-
      'p***r' -> 'poor fellow'
      'wouldn't want to subject anyone to that experience' ->
      'respectfully suggest he desists from that move']

      1. James Allen says:

        Why don’t you just write the comment properly in the first place, according to the rules and save Mod time?

        We have 1000s of comments to process, why take up his time changing something you know won’t pass?

      2. ArJay says:

        Right you are, captain – here goes:-

        The poor chap assumes we’re just listening to the race rather than actually watching it. Someone needs to shout loudly in his ear to make the point. His style is more ‘suitable’ for radio commentary but I respectfully suggest he desists from that move.

    3. Wade Parmino says:


      David Coulthard or David Croft?

  100. Pistnbroke says:

    Surprisingly good race. Why oh why didn’t Torro Rosso pit Ricciardo during the yellow when many others came in? Surely that would have put him in contention for a finish well in the points.

    1. double eyepatch says:

      Vergne was in the STR pit box from the puncture. Ric would been queued for ages if he did from the looks of it. He was screwed anyway

  101. Darren says:

    This was Lewis fault , tires gone why fight a loosing battle.

  102. Kay says:

    If anyone wishes to critisise Button, please don’t, he just engineered this for himself.

    1. James Clayton says:

      That’s old news. Your crusade is starting to get irritating.

      I’m no Button fan but I don’t feel the need to write 20 posts a day to that tune.

      1. Peter C says:

        Yes, but it never seems to be moderated. Kay’s favourite driver is Alonso (OK), favourite Team is Ferrari (V. good) but instead of all positive comments for these, there is masses of negativity about a Team that is not liked.

        It’s a pity to be using the scroll wheel so much.

      2. Kay says:

        Actually among Alonso I also like Webber, Hamilton, Koby Kamakazi and Nico. I am fine with Button but I find him hugely overrated, period.

      3. Kay says:

        Plus one Finn named Kimi that I forgot to mention.

        If you really gotta get me to name a driver I dislike, that’s Vettel, even him I’ve spoken of praise and positives before for his abilities albeit he ain’t in my good books. Nothing wrong with coming out with an honest opinion about a driver.

      4. Kay says:

        Feel free to move on and read the next post then :)

  103. Lynn says:

    Its so great to see the two comeback kings on podium together & reunited with Stella!

    1. JR says:

      True, how I wish Fernando and Kimi were together at Ferrari, that team would be unstoppable!

  104. Stone the crows says:

    What an exciting race, and to think there were a couple of groups in Valencia who were petitioning Alonso to not participate in the race to show solidarity with his fellow Spaniards who have fallen on hard times. I think he did his countrymen more good today than anyone imagined. I was wondering about track condition today James, from the feed it looked as if the track was remarkably clean. Or maybe the camera didn’t show the marbles as clearly as other tracks.

  105. Elie says:

    Maldonado penalty and explanation I hope shows people here their illogical reasoning. He needs a dressing down by the stewards (more so than Lewis did last year ) .

    More importantly for Williams he needs to be spoken to, because this is costing them big time . That car can be winning races not acting as a smash up derby car!

  106. eric weinraub says:

    lets be real here folks. the tires are crap. every announcer, every driver, even Pirelli are all saying… the races are contrived for television. So, forget racing, we now have NASCAR on road courses ..When I used to go to Watkins Glen in the 70s I never imagined F1 would become such a farce. And by the way…. huge Schuey fan but I’m sick and tired of ‘tyre management.’

  107. vvipkho says:

    Caterham got change to score 1 point because both Toro Rosso Driver hit them..

    Looking forward Caterham Silverstone package next race..

    1. Kay says:

      Cheers for the vid.

      Are you the original uploader? Can do with a higher quality vid, very blurry there :)

    2. azac21 says:

      Thanks dude!

      Who cares about world titles when you can have moments like these!

    3. JR says:

      Thanks, this race will be remembered for ages!

  108. Kay says:

    Top three finishers have all driven for Ferrari. No wonder LdM wishes to field 3 cars :D

  109. James Clayton says:

    It was good to see Hamilton actually defending on these Tyres, and proving it is possible (if Maldo doesn’t smash into you).

    I think he’s the only one in that position to have really bothered defending. Although, to be fair to other drivers, when they went off the cliff it has usually been with a few more laps to go until the end of the race; so they had a lot more to loose by defending and further burning out their tyres.

  110. James Clayton says:

    It was telling to see how Newey reacted when Vettel stopped. His signature unreliability seems to be creeping back. It looked as though he knew full well there was a possibility of this happening due to him pushing some philosophy or another too far.

    1. Kay says:

      It has always always been a trait of his designs.

      Go all the way back to 1998. New rules, Newey designed a brand new dominant McLaren that won Hakkinen and the team WDC & WCC. 1999 not quite as successful but nonethless got WDC for Hakkinen. Since then his designs just go downhill costing McLaren and Kimi lots and lots of chances of grabbing the titles due to unreliability.

      I think it’ll take another new book of rules for Newey’s cars to shine again.

    2. Peter C says:

      Why is alternator trouble anything to do with ‘Newey’s signature unreliability’ ?

      Since Grosjean suffered the same problem on his also Renault-engined Lotus, maybe they should be speaking to the French company.

      Is the car designer guilty of every fault that occurs?

  111. Blake S says:

    As amazing as the race was, and as happy as I am about the result, I simply can’t help but wonder about “what could have been” in terms of entertainment between Alonso and Vettel, surely that would’ve been a sight to see; Alonso on the charge all race with a much more reliable car than in the past, behind Vettel thanks to great racing and a safety car, and Vettel driving insanely well, dominating from the start until his car ruined his race. Oh what could have been.

  112. James Clayton says:

    I’m glad we’ve had a 2 time winner too, I was starting to get a bit bored of the build up to every race being “will we see an xth different winner in x races” :)

    1. Jim Dee says:

      Who will be the 2nd 2nd time winner!

  113. Kay says:

    The Hamilton v Maldonado incident for everyone to review again.

    1. Geenimetsuri says:

      If you look at the video, Maldonado was ahead before Hamilton forced him out.

      I think that’s the reason Maldonado rushed back on track so forcefully with Hamilton not giving an inch of space to race.

      Overall, I’d say 90% racing incident, 6% Maldonado’s and 4% Hamilton’s fault.

      It’s bit disgusting that how easily people put the blame on either driver when the essential point of F1 is racing – Then the same people wonder “why there’s not more overtaking?”, “Why do we need the magic overtake button?”, etc..

  114. Mark says:

    I’m no Alonso fan, particular after the shenanigans at McLaren.

    So it pains me to say, and I never thought I’d say this, but he does seem to be an incredibly good racing driver.

  115. Leon Kohrs says:

    Hi James,
    I was wondering, what is the drivers on podium combination (irrespective of finishing positions) that has appeared most frequently in F1 history?
    Surely ALO, MSC and RAI would be quite high on that list.

    1. James Allen says:

      Hakkinen, Coulthard, Schumacher would be my guess.

      I’ll get my stats guy to look at it.

    2. Dave Aston says:

      Maybe Prost/Senna/Mansell?

  116. R3D says:

    nice to see an All-Ferrari podium lol :)

    1 current and 2 ex-employees

    Cheers :D

  117. Craig says:

    What does Maldonado have to do to get a race ban? I can count three occasions where he has intentionally driven into another driver (ham at spa, perez at Monaco and ham at Valencia). There are plenty more examples where he was at fault for causing an accident.

    I believe that he has the potential to cause someone an injury and if the accident was done on purpose there will be many questions to his previous accidents. As he has only so far received normal race penalties it would look badly on F1.

    For example the Monaco accident with Perez where he gave him a tap on the front left. Later in qualifying Perez had an accident which I believe was due to an issue with the front left (either turning or suspension). If this accident happened elsewhere on the circuit and Perez was injured or even worst… How many people would be asking questions about the earlier accident? How many conspiracy theories would be a result?

    1. Kay says:

      I wonder the same. For the incident he caused, what he received is minimal.

      I think FIA are taking the accidents he causes too lightly, and may take another serious injury before they hand him some heavy-duty penalty like a year ban or something.

      1. Craig says:

        I know that Villeneuve talks a lot of rubbish sometimes but maybe there is some truth to his latest comments about a lack of ‘respect’ in some of the newer drivers. Perhaps its because they have not experienced how dangerous the sport can be.

      2. Satish says:

        Why is the FIA lenient with Pastor? Because his manager is Nicolas Todt?

  118. Dan Orsino says:

    you mean he’s a pastor, and his teammate is a sinner?

  119. Lawrence says:

    Just had a look at footage of the Hamilton v Maldonado crash and it was definitely PM’s fault. PM should have backed off the throttle when he was he was heading off the race-track, furthermore he rejoined the race-track in an unsafe manner. If PM had been half a car’s length ahead of LH, LH should have given him more room. Clearly PM has skill but he is too reckless (a bit like LH last year), he caused both drivers not to finish in the points. I agree with the contributors that PM has not been punished enough. MS was given a 5 place grid drop for his collision with BS and I think PM’s mistake was worse. Although I do think the punishment MS got was too severe. I hope PM gets his act together as he can maybe win another race and that will not only be good for him but Williams. I do appreciate it was a last lap tussle but I think both drivers especially PM (as I think LH has wised up a bit) need to be given a stern talking to.

  120. S2K says:

    Yesterday we’ve seen not only the best race of the season so far but also the best of Alonso. He reminded me of some great races that Ayrton Senna did. Of course, many would say he was lucky and he benefited from Vettel’s retirement and Hamilton’s problem in the pits, but, hey, isn’t luck part of life? I always insisted that F1 is a team sport and the driver is the team’s captain. Alonso played the role brilliantly yesterday to lead his team to victory.

    Vettel was bloody fast but… should we ask the question from a different angle? Was Vettel that fast or was Hamilton slower than usual? I wonder whether Vettel could have built such a massive advantage if Grosjean was second.

    As for the incident between Maldonando and Hamiton, it was Pastor’s mistake but then Hamilton should have not insisted to regain his position because it was crystal clear than he was slower and he had no grip in his tyres. And, Hamilton’s fans, please do not argue that Lewis is a fighter and his move was instinctual because sometimes in life you just have to put your hands up and say… “I was slow today, it wasn’t my day, Pastor was faster, he was right to pass me for third”.

  121. Jim Dee says:

    When drivers are told to ease off and coast there is little doubt that the mechanics of the car are not stressed to 100% of design.

    I wonder if engine manufacturers are getting frustrated that all their effort does not appear to be producing a meaningful difference in the race.

  122. Fuzzalow says:

    The comments made here on the Ham/Mal incident tally up as decisively against Maldonado by a wide margin. I am a fan of neither driver, or any driver – in the sense that I choose to see things as faultless to my favourite driver irrespective to circumstances.

    I saw this crash as a setup by Hamilton in forcing the issue with a driver/team with less to loose than Ham/McLaren. There is no incentive for Maldonado to back down.

    Maldonado was even to slightly ahead of Hamilton on corner entry.

    Hamilton did not close the door on Maldonado, there was no door to close. Maldonado was already alongside.

    Hamilton corner exits pushing Maldonado off track. Hamilton is not aggressively defending by closing the door by sweeping wide, as had been done by Rosberg’s example earlier this season. Hamilton NASCAR’s Maldonado off track.

    Maldonado will not be bullied so he does a Ayrton-like “screw you” move to push back on the track in retaliation. Only Hamilton does not move right to avoid the crash.

    If Hamilton possessed just half the intelligence & racecraft of Alonso and 1/5 less testosterone, he would be a driver to be truly feared.

    1. KGBVD says:

      He’s already feared because he will crash into you, regardless of whether or not he’s being passes or doing the passing.

      Hamilton doesn’t crash into people on purpose (like Maldonado has inexcusably done in the past), but he causes racing incidents– all of the time.

      He causes them by not thinking about who he is racing against. Going for gaps that aren’t there. And not taking his time.

      Compare Hamilton’s bash-log against Alonso’s or Kimi’s.

  123. F1racer says:

    Seeing Alonso, Kimi and Schumacher on the podium… Nostalgic!!!

  124. F12012 says:

    Great race, I really enjoyed alonso laughing to himself over the radio and stopping the car near the grandstand with the Spanish flag and the Marshall trying to give alonso a teddy bear with a cape on it, alonso didnt take it, so the marshall put it on the front of the Ferrari this was hilarious, I really think F1 needs to relax the rules so drivers can really enjoy the win, do a few donuts or something

  125. Wade Parmino says:

    If Massa didn’t already know for sure that he is finished, he certainly does now. Finishing 16th a lap behind your team mate who wins the race. He should be replaced immediately.
    I reckon they could bring back Fisichella from GT Racing and he would do a better job than Massa has been doing of late.

  126. Sebastian says:

    I’m a bit late to the party, but here goes…

    When I was watching this live, I was excited to see the wheel-to-wheel moments, especially between Maldonado and Hamilton…

    However, after they hit, I was quickly reminded of how much attitudes have changed. Remember the epic Villeneuve-Arnoux battle?

    Does anyone on the grid today have the discipline to fight “cleanly” the way they did?

  127. Tyler says:

    Late comment… but more proof we are all privileged to be watching one of the most complete drivers of all time. Regardless of winning due to retirements, Alonso is in league with the very best.


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