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Posted on May 5, 2011
Webber uses the “R” word, Alonso and Hamilton manage expectations | James Allen on F1 – The official James Allen website on F1

The grey overcast skies and light drizzle in the Istanbul paddock make for a lifeless, gloomy sort of atmosphere. Drivers huddle in their rain jackets, stepping over puddles on their way from garage to motorhome. The latest forecast is for it to improve from Saturday, which is a relief.

Add in the total lack of crowd or any kind of buzz around the event and F1 seems to be in a sterile bubble this weekend, going about its business behind closed doors.

But it still has to put on a show and luckily there is a lot going on in the sport at the moment, much to talk about. And on Sunday the TV cameras will transmit what is likely to be another exciting and unpredictable race to the waiting world in the 170+ countries in which F1 is followed.

There is talk that this might be the last race at this circuit; there is no local interest and voices here have said that there’s no appetite to pay to keep it here. We’ll see. I lost count of how many times I attended the last GP at Magny Cours, before the actual last race. For all its weaknesses in terms of atmosphere and failure to create a motorsport infrastructure here, this is a great race track and the drivers all said that they would really miss it if it fell off the calendar.

Felipe Massa is chief among them; he has won three times here and the little Brazilian has a spring back in his step, being back on favoured ground with some momentum back in his career. He had to fend off questions about a rumoured move to Red Bull, with Nico Rosberg joining Ferrari, but even that didn’t wipe the smile off his face.

Lewis Hamilton played a straight bat, talking down expectations for the weekend, after his momentous win in China three weeks ago. “I don’t have particularly high hopes. We don’t expect much here,” he said, disingenuously, before adding that he only won in China because he outdrove Vettel and McLaren outfoxed Red Bull on strategy.


Fernando Alonso was also not promising miracles from the updated Ferrari package, which features new front and rear wings. The team’s weak start to the season has been caused by correlation problems in the wind tunnel after it was scaled up from 50% to 60% models. Alonso said that he believes that the team has got to the bottom of it and has done some excellent work in the last three weeks. But he doesn’t expect the new parts to project him into a battle with the Red Bulls just yet.

“It’s a couple of tenths, not a revolution,” he said. “We won’t change the car completely in one race. I expect a slow reaction, step by step. But we are losing points and we need a reaction as soon as possible.”

I asked him specifically about his starts, which have been bad this year. Looking at the start analysis of positions at the end of sector 1 on the opening laps, he has lost seven places in three races, while Massa has gained five. He said that it was a combination of factors, some clutch control problems and mistakes on his part and acknowledged that these things needed working on. It’s been hard enough for Alonso with the car he has, but the poor starts compound the problem. *

Meanwhile Mark Webber has gone and used the “R” word, which is always a genie out of a bottle with the media.

There were some quotes from him before the weekend about his options for next season and the first thing he said when he sat down today was that he wouldn’t decide on next year until August. That invited the media to ask him lots of questions about next year and he said that there are three options,
“Either I stay here, or I stop, or I go somewhere else… which is unlikely, ” he added.

Last season his contract renewal with Red Bull was famously announced during the kiss-and-make-up moment after he and Vettel collided here. There’s no chance of a repeat this year, as Webber has made it clear that he wants to consider offers from outside and “keep things open” as he puts it.

The key question as far as him moving on is concerned is whether other teams feel he has “peaked” as a driver, does he still have capacity for fresh exploits, they will ask themselves. It’s been a long career, mostly flatlining with the odd blip at Jaguar and Williams, until exploding into life at Red Bull in the last two years.

As he showed again in China, he’s still a formidable racer and he’s always been good at judging the grip level just right in qualifying. But is there such a thing as a move away from Red Bull for the man who turns 35 this summer?

Once the “R” word – Retirement – starts getting used, it follows a driver round like a wasp, constantly reappearing until finally it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. Rosberg’s management maintains a market for his services, making him always look in demand. By “keeping things open” Webber is doing the same.

Webber’s show in China made many teams rethink their strategies for using the Pirelli tyres in qualifying with an eye on the race. One senior engineer told me that all the fast teams are thinking about doing Q3 on hard tyres, so sacrificing grid position in order to have extra new sets of tyres for the race and also getting the hard tyre out of the way first.

Vettel said that he won’t be doing that, “I still think that starting from pole position is where you want to be. Mark had a good race, but there’s a lot of risk involved. Now people are panicking a bit and saying they have to save tyres, but if your target is to win, you would start from the front.”

Sporting a new short hair cut, he again seemed slightly edgy. He was also asked what was his memory of last year’s race.

“A blank” he said, with that sardonic smile on his lips.

* For my full Strategy Briefing, analysing all the considerations the teams will make about the best way to do qualifying and the race, race start analysis and much more – with input from F1 team engineers – go to Strategy Briefing and click on the Istanbul Track in the graphic

Webber uses the “R” word, Alonso and Hamilton manage expectations
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  1.   1. Posted By: goferet
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 5:27 pm 

    Only wish we could cut & paste race tracks. I would take the Istanbul track & dump it in Abu-Dhabi or some other place like Hungary, it’s too good to lose.

    Anyway we finally made it through the long three week wait & now it’s back to taking care of business on track.

    Vettel is absolutely right about the tyre thing, if you want to win the race, a driver has to forget starting on the hard tyre for they would be too slow besides once Vettel makes it first into the first bend, it’s over.

    Drivers that should be mentioning the ”R” (Retirement) word in every press conference

    Schumacher (Too old + average car)
    Rubens (No longer interested)
    Heidfeld (Poor qualifier)
    And
    Webber (Vettel broke his spirit last year & is just not the same)

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    Andy c Reply:

    Utter rubbish – mark showed in china just how uninterested he is….

    He will push vettel all the way this year. Guaranteed!

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    Andy c Reply:

    But agree, I love turkeys track it’s excellent, especially the three sweeping left handers.

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    markdartj Reply:

    I don’t think that Webber’s spirit was broken by Vettel. Rather, he has been hobbled by the team to avoid fouling Vettel’s patch.

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    Robwal Reply:

    Yeah Webber’s spirit is so broken he could only manage to get the fastest laps in the last two races, despite driving a car that had no KERS as well as mechanical/structural faults since the first race of the season.

    While Vettel has had a perfect car and a functioning KERS (despite what he has said).
    The reason Vettel wont adopt the soft tyre saving strategy many teams are now considering is because he is incapable of replicating what Webber has done.

    He has not shown he can overtake more than one car in a race.
    In China he could not even win from pole let alone come back from eighteenth to third.
    I suspect this is also the reason why he is reluctant to drive for another team, without the best car to drive Vettel is a mediocre driver at best.

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    Huppy Reply:

    “Vettel is a mediocre driver at best.”

    Thats a pretty big call, given he won a F1 World Championship….

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    Robwal Reply:

    What car was he driving?

    Who was leading that championship up until the last race?

    Who made Ferrari pull Alonso in early for a pit stop, allowing Vettel to win that championship?

    Ace Best Reply:

    “without the best car to drive Vettel is a mediocre driver at best.”

    ehm,two words : “Italia” and “2008″. Was he really mediocre there? or simply just lucky enough?

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    Robwal Reply:

    I believe it was raining, so I’m going to go with lucky.
    How many of Vettel’s wins were from pole?
    All but one, he won that one from second place on the grid after almost ramming Webber into the wall off the start.
    Mark was not amused.

    Ben Reply:

    Vettel showed he could overtake more more than one car a race quite a few times, Silverstone last year springs instantly to mind.

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    Robwal Reply:

    He has not done it consistently.
    Judging from his comments, he is not comfortable unless he leads from the front.

    rodger Reply:

    Wow-if Vettel is mediocre than his teammate, who he consistantly destroys, must be a real shocker. Maybe Webber shouldn’t even wait till the end of the season to retire,eh?

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    Williams4Ever Reply:

    Only wish we could cut & paste race tracks. I would take the Istanbul track & dump it in Abu-Dhabi or some other place like Hungary, it’s too good to lose.

    >> Well that is a good idea, Bernie should put a multi-layout circuit complex surrounded by stadiums in Europe, 3-4 of those in close vicinity and then one can host all the races on calendar in those venues. Bernie can even implement his quixotic sprinkler idea on those.

    Lots of problems will be solved in one move.
    a) Fans complain about racing moving out of Europe and going to Asia check
    b) Local race promoters losing venue and going to their governments for bailouts check (these will be Bernie/FOM/CVC’s race complexes anyways)
    c) Moving F1 circus around the globe, bumping up the operating costs, not to mention carbon foot print with all the people and Equipment move, check. F1 is Green racing series again
    d) As far as the fans in emerging economies, They can always travel Europe with their newly acquired spending power, Tourism monies for Europe Check.

    Of course Bernie/CVC won’t do that, they will always want to pass the risk on to local race promoters/governments to own the white elephants, which not always generate revenue after F1 circus leaves after its once a year visit…

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    Quick Nick Rules Reply:

    “Drivers that should be mentioning the ”R” (Retirement) word in every press conference
    Schumacher
    Rubens
    Heidfeld
    And
    Webber”

    Absolute Rubbish! These drivers are some of the few characters on the grid, as well as proper racers, unlike many of the faceless young anonymous unspectacular performers we are subjected to eg Buemi, Alguesuari, Di Grassi etc. Damon Hill was 36 when he won his world title and Mansell 41 when he won at Adelaide ’94 – if you’re good enough you’re young enough. Personally I’d far rather watch exciting experienced racers with character hanging around F1 for a long time than flash in the pan youngsters as the likes of Toro Rosso have promoted in recent years (with one notable excpetion). The one driver on the grid who should definitely be retiring was one you forgot to mention – Trulli.

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  2.   2. Posted By: The other Ian
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 5:36 pm 

    James, I’ve had a read of the Strategy Briefing for Turkey.
    In page 6, I think you have the info about Hard and Soft types around the wrong way. Surely the Hard tyres will last longer than the Soft Tyres.

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  3.   3. Posted By: Lilla My
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 5:54 pm 

    I don’t want to be considered silly, but… what is the “R” word?

    Massa to Red Bull is a new gossip for me. I’ve always heard that Massa was connected only with the phrase “out of Ferrari” with a whole bunch of various drivers taking his seat.
    Silly season has started really soon this year :].

    As for Webber’s “Either I stay here, or I stop, or I go somewhere else… which is unlikely,” – that equals to saying nothing at all, doesn’t it ;-) ? After all, these are the only three options he has :]

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    AntipodeanCharm Reply:

    R is for Retire

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    Lilla My Reply:

    Silly me! I reviewed all the R word I could have imagined that could have any connection with Webber, F1 and Red Bull (starts with R too;-)) and didn’t get that! lol. Thank you for enlightening me :)

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    AlexD Reply:

    So when do we watch a race together?

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    Lilla My Reply:

    Find me on Twitter (Lilla_My1) and we’ll arrange something ;-)

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    AlexD Reply:

    Do not have it, can you write to me a.dylikowski AT gmail DOT com?


  4.   4. Posted By: Tim Parry
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 6:08 pm 

    Any chance of moving the Turkish Tilke track to Texas?

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    Rich C Reply:

    Nonono! *We don’t want it! No Germans allowed in South Texas! ;P

    [ok, for those of you humour-challenged, that is a joke: there are as many ethnic Germans growing wine in south Texas as in all of East Germany back in the day.]

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    Tim Parry Reply:

    Touche! If not there, how about Myrtle Beach, SC? Hardly any ethnic Germans here and it will provide an alternative to short track oval racing.

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    markdartj Reply:

    You are already getting a “Tilke drome”, although it looks good so far.

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  5.   5. Posted By: AlexD
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 6:58 pm 

    James, sorry…a bit off topic. I want to buy a ticket to Hungarian GP for my brother as a gift.Will you be able to suggest a Grandstand with best views for the race?
    Thank you.

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    James Allen Reply:

    Good question. I think the chicane is quite popular, THe main stand on pit straight is standard stuff. It gets very busy and dusty there. There’s a website called Grand Prix advisor, I think that it deals with these kinds of questions.

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    AlexD Reply:

    Thank you, James. I went to the site and in Europe they only have Germany. Maybe some folks from here will answer. It is super important to know where to be. I went to Monza and I was told where to be – it was awesome, but I can’t imagine going blindly.

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    Damien @ GrandPrixAdvisor Reply:

    Hi Alex,

    Website updated. Thanks for your interest.

    We only got one review for Hungary so far. In short, good atmosphere but terrible transfer to and from the city (train then bus then a long walk). I would recommend not to fly back on the Sunday as it sounds that the organisation at the end of the race in on par to that of Malaysia.

    From the people I spoke to who attended Hungary in the past, food is apparently quite expensive at the track, so bring your own picnic food (drinks are affordable).

    Recommending a granstand is really a matter of taste and affordability more than anything else.

    Looking at the map on http://www.hungaroring.com/ I would say Silver 4 seems to offer the best vantage point, although not a great one. It allows you to view the straight after Turn 11, Turn 12, Turn 14 and the start/finish straight. A seat there should give you the best understanding of the race if you opt not to rent a FanVision unit (portable TVs).

    If this is your first race, I would recommend (and so would Johnny Noble and Mark Hughes of Autosport magazine in their book F1 racing for Dummies) to go for the Super Gold grandstand to experience the start of the race. There’s nothing like 24 revving F1 engines for a goose bump fix!
    You will also experience the pit action. Considering how many there have been in the last two races, that should be pretty good.

    If this is the podium that interest you, Gold 1, 2 or 3 should be for you.

    James recommendation, Silver 1 is probably the best spot for those keen photographers as this is the slowest point on the track.

    Best value for money – and my preference – would be the Red Bull grandstand in Turn 14 (viewable on http://www.formula1.com/races/in_detail/hungary_859/circuit_diagram.html when you turn grandstand ON). It looks like it has a good view of the last corner and pit entry, a really good place for listening to those blown diffusers when cars go back to the pits at very slow speed. The Renault exhaust notes this year are truly exquisite. Finally, the cars are slow enough in Turn 14 for taking good pictures too.

    For the same price, I wouldn’t bother with the Bronze grandtstand (unless you have kids and are on a budget).

    Whatever you do, choose a seat as high as possible (except for Silver 4 which is already high) so as to see the cars for longer. There isn’t much to enjoy when too close to the fence.

    PS: James, thank you for the recommendation.

    Damien @ GrandPrixAdvisor Reply:

    Hey Alex,

    Just wondering: did you buy your ticket(s)? Did our recommendations work for you?

    I forgot to add that with DRS this year, the grandstand at the first corner (Gold 4 from memory) might be good for overtaking action, providing the FIA get it right, unlike Turkey.

    F1a Reply:

    Alex, check http://f1addicted.com ‘best views’ section = the turn 1 is the only good place.

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    AlexD Reply:

    Thank you very much – then this is where I will get tickets. Sadly, you cannot get a particular place, just a grandstand…

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    AlexD Reply:

    Damien – thanks for suggestions – very helpful. I am purchasing ticket this week…need to figure out how to influence a seat.


  6.   6. Posted By: PaulL
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 6:59 pm 

    “before adding that he only won in China because he outdrove Vettel and McLaren outfoxed Red Bull on strategy.”

    Good to see he still posses his trademark conceit and hubris.
    Reminds me of the time after Spa 2008 when he claimed, contrary to popular opinion, that Kimi was slower in the wet because he “didn’t have the balls to brake late”. And he added “I know I am great in those conditions”.

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    Pit straight weaver Reply:

    One man’s conceit and hubris is another’s self-awareness and confidence. And both those statements about Spa 08 look pretty spot on to me.
    Does it ever cross the minds of the H-haters that he might just be playing psychological games the way Alonso, Schumacher and many others back to Senna and Prost do/did quite successfully. If we’d had blogging back in the early 90s the infrastructure would’ve melted down.
    Can’t people just accept he drove a great race in China (and Spa 08) and Mclaren did outfox RB?

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    PaulL Reply:

    Yes, he used his inherited advantages as well as Vettel did in the opening two races.

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    Robyn Reply:

    I think a lot of (most? all?) drivers think those sorts of things about themselves — it’s more a matter of who’s willing to say it out loud!

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    LT Reply:

    Errr well he was great in those conditions, as it wasn’t him that ended up in the wall, but gee, don’t let any facts get in the way of a good anti Hamilton rant!

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    PaulL Reply:

    I won’t. It’s a good week anyway to take shots at the bad guys.

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    Matt B Reply:

    That’s what makes him interesting. Ego is a big part of sport.

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    Harvey Yates Reply:

    I have to say that when I read his comment:

    ‘. . . he only won in China because he outdrove Vettel and McLaren outfoxed Red Bull on strategy.’

    I smiled. It is a funny put-down. There is a lot of evidence to support his statement. Good on him. More please. So much better than a whinge.

    There are a few drivers out there with bigger egos and less reason for them. He made China for me. Let him crow about it.

    I’d hate to see Webber leave the grid. When he on on circuit there is always the chance of something surprising happening. Surprising to him as well in most cases. And he is always worth watching in interview. That said, I’d hate to see him in an also ran.

    There are a few drivers mid to late field who would hate to have him behind them on the grid, especially if he has nothing to lose.

    Massa has a degree of confidence that we haven’t seen in some time. Are his results due to his improvement or Alonso being off the boil?

    I’m expecting great things of this race. It would be a shame if the ciruit was removed from the list but then we are used to the good ones going and the bland replacing them.

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    Peter Reply:

    Kimi as someone not having a balls…? He should just watch some Kimi moments such as Spa 2002 driving through engine smoke in Eau Rouge..The real reason was that the Ferrari was quite bad in heating-up the tires, he had much less grip. But Raikkonen usually don`t feel the need for looking for excuses.

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  7.   7. Posted By: Owen Li
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 7:07 pm 

    Rosberg to Ferrari…
    That should be amazing!

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    Andy c Reply:

    Nico is a good driver, but he doesn’t strike me as a Ferrari driver.

    Just something about him that doesn’t quite fit (in my mind anyway). I’d really like to see felipe continue his upturn in form and push Fernando, and I think he’ll be much more on form this year.

    Failing that I’d like to see Ferrari develop their own young world champ (that’s not having a go by the way). Bring in a young driver like one of their young drivers.

    Question for all those aficionados. Who was the last driver to join f1 with the red giant and win?

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    Jeff Reply:

    Ferrari develop their own driver. Ferrari for decades were unable to get their act together. Then they took MS and RB and these two made it all happen. They steel a championship from McLaren for Kimi. I don’t think Ferrari will win a another championship for years. Not until they have the perfect combination of single minded driver and technical gurus. They have neither of those at the moment. Alonso is far too precious. To answer your question, I believe Clay Regazzoni in 1970.

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    F1a Reply:

    That is quite a good call Owen, and I’ve not thought of it before. Everyone talked about Kubica, now Perez. But Rosberg would be a great driver for Ferrari, and they can still keep cuddling Nando.

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    MISTER Reply:

    I would like to see someone like Di Resta in a red car. He used to beat Lewis and Sebastian when they were racing together.
    He has a full season to show what he can do, and he started it with great great results in the Force India.
    Wish him all the best!

    OT: Looking so much for this race. Last 2,5 weeks have been so boring :P

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  8.   8. Posted By: Rich C
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 9:35 pm 

    … and the *next juicy rumour:

    *me to Ferrari! Yep, and they’ve agreed to build one big enough for a guy 6’4″ and 240 lbs as soon as I lose 10 lbs!

    SO I’m off to the gym! I know its around here somewhere…

    Watch for my big debut!

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  9.   9. Posted By: markdartj
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 9:56 pm 

    I seem to remember that a few years ago, Bernie suggested a race in Le Castellet, with only VIP’s attending, mainly for a television audience. Now he has what he wants, and isn’t happy with it. RE Vettel; he would say that, wouldn’t he, considering he only wins when he starts from the pole.

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  10.   10. Posted By: Owen
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 10:34 pm 

    Vettel’s memory of last years’ Turkish GP is a blank!

    Why am I not surprised? He wasn’t blood well paying attention to any of it!

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  11.   11. Posted By: Pit straight weaver
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 10:43 pm 

    Personally, I’d love to see Webber (and Schuey and Rubens) switch to sportscars or series like DTM while they still have a few good drives left in them. Would make for a better connection across the broad church of motorsport. I don’t see why they cling on to F1 like it’s the be-all-end-all (except for the money). Both Webber and Schumacher have driven at Le Mans before, and I reckon a Le Mans victory or a DTM title would look better on the mentelpiece than another ’6th place in F1′ medal or whatever it is they get…

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  12.   12. Posted By: Vannman
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 11:23 pm 

    I suspect webber has fallen out of love with F1.

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    James Allen Reply:

    I don’t think so. But he’s part of something which is moving on, with all the key people now tied in for three years and he isn’t.

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    Robwal Reply:

    Time for Mark to move on to a team that will embrace his ability, not hobble it.

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  13.   13. Posted By: brooksy007
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 11:32 pm 

    Webber will not retire, he’s still in form and everyone in f1 knows it!

    It will be a sad day when he does! I for one will miss his honesty and straight talk in the paddock!

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  14.   14. Posted By: Jack
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 11:38 pm 

    I was really sure the ‘R’ word was going to be ‘revenge’, after Vettel crashed him out last year. Ah well, no such fireworks this season I suppose.

    I think it would probably be better for Webber to retire from Red Bull rather than flounder a bit in lower teams like Damon Hill or Jacques Villeneuve, I think it takes the shine off a career slightly.

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    Robwal Reply:

    If Webber does move on to a different team, it will not be a lowly ranked one.
    I would be surprised if he did not already have something lined up for next year if Red Bull continue to sabotage him.

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    AJ Reply:

    Nice one, revenge is more like it!

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  15.   15. Posted By: John Cleary
        Date: May 5th, 2011 @ 11:46 pm 

    “Lewis Hamilton played a straight bat, talking down expectations for the weekend, after his momentous win in China three weeks ago. “We don’t expect much here,” he said, disingenuously, before adding that he only won in China because he outdrove Vettel and McLaren outfoxed Red Bull on strategy.”

    You must be English James. C’mon now – Hamilton is the worst for trying to play head games! How many times *this year* has he said before practice “Red Bull are so far ahead of us” when in reality they aren’t. He’s actually getting a bit predictable really.

    h, and he didn’t “out drive” Vettel, and you should have called him on that. The only statement in your quote is that “McLaren outfoxed Red Bull on strategy” which is true. On the same tyres, Vettel would have bothered defending. (Just like all those other British journalists hailing Jenson’s pass on Nico. Um.. he was light on Petrol and couldn’t keep fighting… c’mon, at least listen to the team radio! Not suggesting this was you, but it’s far too common amongst the british commentary set).

    John

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    James Allen Reply:

    That’s why I wrote “disengenuously”..

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    Nando Reply:

    In qualifying trim Red Bull have been very far ahead. He has always said Mclaren are closer on race pace.
    I’d rather see them say something worthwhile than give a PR speech or saying something completely different depending on what language they’re talking at the time.

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  16.   16. Posted By: Ed
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 12:08 am 

    It’s good that Massa’s body language seems to be improving around the paddock, I hope that he can on the podium this weekend and keep building some momentum.

    People talk about Massa being a ‘confidence’ driver, but I think of him more as a ‘momentum’ driver. If you look through his career, he worked hard and improved every year, driving better and better, up until his crash. I think that the crash stopped his career momentum, and that was the worst part of it for him probably.

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  17.   17. Posted By: Andrew Woodruff
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 12:24 am 

    Hi James

    I must take issue with your paraphrasing of Lewis Hamilton – “before adding that he only won in China because he outdrove Vettel and McLaren outfoxed Red Bull on strategy”. From another source, I understand what he actually said was “we won [in China] because we generally outdrove them with strategy”.

    My take on this is that what he actually said makes him sound far less of an egotistical plonker than your paraphrase! Given that he doesn’t need much help sounding like a self righteous “plonker” most of the time, it seems unfair to misquote him in such a way.

    Cheers again for the great blog, and looking forward to the Senna movie release.

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    James Allen Reply:

    His exact quote was “In the last race we didn’t win because we had the fastest car. We won because we generally out-drove and out-did them with strategy”

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    Andrew Woodruff Reply:

    So that is two of my trusted sources that have put a slight spin on the words that actually came out of his mouth!

    It’s a difficult one to interpret – quite a delicately balanced statement from the cocky Brit. Pit straight weaver (above) says that the JA interpretation of what he meant is nothing more than mind games, implying that Hamilton has a right to tell the world (and more importantly his compitition) if he thinks he is the best driver on the grid. While you can’t argue with Hamilton’s right to say anything, you can say that “bigging himself up” in such a way lacks a lot of class. The tone of the psychological war games (if that is what this is) of Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Villeneuve etc, while sometimes personal, never sunk to the depths of a spoilt, favoured child like Hamilton so often seems to.

    I actually doubt he really meant to say that he out drove Vettel. I may well be wrong, but I just find it so hard to believe that anyone, no matter how spoilt and favoured, could be so crass.

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    Pit straight weaver Reply:

    If it is a case of mind games, you’re proving he’s already successfully drawn in one ‘victim’ hasn’t he? Bet his fingers are crossed that Seb and Fernando are as sensitive about analysing the nuances of what he says as you are (I doubt it, but if he keeps chipping away it might go to their heads too…)


  18.   18. Posted By: BMG
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 1:09 am 

    The only person that really knows what Webber will do, is Webber.
    To me I think you need to look at what the team are thinking. Honer and Webber flying home together after China, could they already be in negotiating.
    Webber has been a very good boy lately, s–tty reliability and still playing the team man.

    If Webber was to go anywhere or retire he would be letting it rip as he did at Williams in his last year.

    Why would they replace him with Massa?

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    Robwal Reply:

    Mark Webber driving for another team would be bad news for Red Bull Racing, both on and off the race track.

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    Robwal Reply:

    And they (Red Bull) know it.

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    Robwal Reply:

    So does Mark.


  19.   19. Posted By: jeff
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 2:31 am 

    Massa will not go to Red Bull. Why would you force Mark out for Massa, that makes no sense and spits in the face of the Red Bull scheme. If Mark doesn’t stay, my bet would be on Riccardo unless the Torro Rosso guys pick up their game.

    If Marks skills are on the wane, then so surely are Massa’s, even more so would be my view.

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  20.   20. Posted By: Paul
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 2:37 am 

    James,

    Do you see Mark going to Ferrari as their car has always had a small cockpit and a guy the size of Mark, or even Kubica, will have problems fitting in?

    Maybe that problem has been solved, but worth raising with the Ferrari guys

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  21.   21. Posted By: Trent
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 5:14 am 

    Any prospect of Webber to Ferrari?

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    BMG Reply:

    Renualt anyone?

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  22.   22. Posted By: Aryan
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 5:29 am 

    I will be really sad to see Turkey off the calendar. Yes they haven’t managed to build atmosphere and loyal fans (yet), but surely that will only come with time?

    The city itself is beautiful and always exciting to visit, and the track is simply awesome. It’s the only track that Tilke got right.

    That Turn 8 has really grown on me. The rest of the track also has a lot of character. It will be a shame to see it go.

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  23.   23. Posted By: Jason
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 6:27 am 

    “the little Brazilian has a spring back in his step”

    ……better than having a spring in the head.

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    pierscouragefan Reply:

    Oh dear! – very good!!

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  24.   24. Posted By: Paul Mc
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 11:10 am 

    Great to see Massa upbeat again. He has a real chance of beating Alonso this year. My choice of driver change would be Massa to Red Bull and Webber to Ferrari.

    I think Massa could do a job at Red Bull.

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    Andy C Reply:

    Me too. I’d really like to see that. I still think Felipe has plenty to give in F1!

    And I’d love to see mark go to Ferrari, but I thought before Robert would go to Ferrari and Mark would go to Renault (ahem Lotus). At the moment I’ll just be delighted to see Robert back in F1 and recovered.

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  25.   25. Posted By: iceman
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 11:21 am 

    Has Vettel had his hair cut because he lost a race? Or to put it another way, was the reason for his previously shaggy mop that he feared cutting it would do a Delilah on his winning run?

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    Andy C Reply:

    Apparently when he waved that Finger it got caught in his hair in China, resulting in a loss in China.

    That or its due to be hot in europe during the summer. :-)

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  26.   26. Posted By: Ben G
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 2:29 pm 

    Nice bit of writing.

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  27.   27. Posted By: Tabaka
        Date: May 6th, 2011 @ 7:09 pm 

    http://mccabism.blogspot.com/2011/05/red-bulls-front-wing-cables.html

    This is a great article about how RedBull are still using an illegal front wing this season. If you recall, front-flap adjuster have been eliminated from the regulations this year. But after SV’s crash this morning, you can clearly see cables hanging from the front wing. So his crash was a big, big mistake and they better explain or hide these wings quickly. I hope the FIA and teams demand a full inspection of this front wing. It’s obviously not camera wires…the camera’s are located at the tip of the nose, not down by the lower front wings.

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    James Allen Reply:

    Nice idea. Most likely to be for front tyre temperature sensors in the front wing endplates, I’m told by engineers here in Istanbul

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  28.   28. Posted By: JohnBt
        Date: May 7th, 2011 @ 4:19 am 

    Was watching live streaming for Practice 2 which didn’t have any commentary, just the howling of V8s.

    Wow, what a crash from Vettel.

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