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> <channel><title>Comments on: So is Vettel the favoured son at Red Bull?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/</link> <description>Formula 1 / F1</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:07:38 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: James Allen</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/comment-page-5/#comment-83202</link> <dc:creator>James Allen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:02:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=7376#comment-83202</guid> <description>Thanks. We are planning on visiting Kelowna in the summer. I hear it&#039;s beautiful by the Lake.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. We are planning on visiting Kelowna in the summer. I hear it&#8217;s beautiful by the Lake.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tim Stanfield</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/comment-page-5/#comment-83195</link> <dc:creator>Tim Stanfield</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:42:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=7376#comment-83195</guid> <description>Hmmm... I think Webber was hung out to dry on this one. As much as I like Vettel he should have put up his hand and taken the blame - and the Team should have backed Mark as this would have been the right thing to do. Anytime a driver turns into another driver it is his fault. In this instance Mark clearly gave him space to pass and Seb did a right turn straight in to him. This could not have been more obvious and it is embarassing for Red Bull, and especially Marko, to not call it as it was. Vettel&#039;s driver error - case closed.
**Flying to Montreal tomorrow for the Grand Prix this weekend. Really looking forward to it as this will be my first &quot;Home&quot; Grand Prix.
Keep up the excellent work James -- my wife Jayne and I really miss your telecasts with Martin Brundle (who we love). Great chemistry &amp; mutual respect between you two - it does not seem to be the same now with Martin&#039;s new colleague.
Cheers,
Tim Stanfield
Kelowna, BC, Canada</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; I think Webber was hung out to dry on this one. As much as I like Vettel he should have put up his hand and taken the blame &#8211; and the Team should have backed Mark as this would have been the right thing to do. Anytime a driver turns into another driver it is his fault. In this instance Mark clearly gave him space to pass and Seb did a right turn straight in to him. This could not have been more obvious and it is embarassing for Red Bull, and especially Marko, to not call it as it was. Vettel&#8217;s driver error &#8211; case closed.<br
/> **Flying to Montreal tomorrow for the Grand Prix this weekend. Really looking forward to it as this will be my first &#8220;Home&#8221; Grand Prix.<br
/> Keep up the excellent work James &#8212; my wife Jayne and I really miss your telecasts with Martin Brundle (who we love). Great chemistry &amp; mutual respect between you two &#8211; it does not seem to be the same now with Martin&#8217;s new colleague.<br
/> Cheers,<br
/> Tim Stanfield<br
/> Kelowna, BC, Canada</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Leo</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/comment-page-5/#comment-82689</link> <dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:40:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=7376#comment-82689</guid> <description>Yeah agree entirely, it is always the guy who is trying to pass that has to pass and not the guy in fronts job to let him through.
if the tables were turned Seb would never have let Mark pass.
Mark is a hard guy to pass and so he should be.
This is not for the meek this is F1 and Mark is doing well currently.
I firmly believe that RBR are favouring Seb because of the tie up with RB, Marko and the super rich owner of RBR.
Christian Horner should be more grateful to Mark for his dedication and perseverance and should back him.
Lets not have another Schumacher/Brawn team please!!!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah agree entirely, it is always the guy who is trying to pass that has to pass and not the guy in fronts job to let him through.<br
/> if the tables were turned Seb would never have let Mark pass.<br
/> Mark is a hard guy to pass and so he should be.<br
/> This is not for the meek this is F1 and Mark is doing well currently.<br
/> I firmly believe that RBR are favouring Seb because of the tie up with RB, Marko and the super rich owner of RBR.<br
/> Christian Horner should be more grateful to Mark for his dedication and perseverance and should back him.<br
/> Lets not have another Schumacher/Brawn team please!!!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: neil m</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/comment-page-5/#comment-81828</link> <dc:creator>neil m</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 07:53:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=7376#comment-81828</guid> <description>Yeah fascinating. Small rotary on the inside at 2 o&#039;clock position, turned clockwise(ie turned up). Expect all teams to try and position cameras away from the steering wheel in future.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah fascinating. Small rotary on the inside at 2 o&#8217;clock position, turned clockwise(ie turned up). Expect all teams to try and position cameras away from the steering wheel in future.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dean Cassady</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/comment-page-5/#comment-81653</link> <dc:creator>Dean Cassady</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 16:17:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=7376#comment-81653</guid> <description>Good analysis James.Seb Vettel already used all of his gentlemanly credit from the fair Mark Webber, when he passed him in the first corner a few races back, Vettel&#039;s only victory of this season!
It seems very strange ,indeed, of all the inexplicable support of Vettlel, coming from the Red Bull execs, Horner, and Marko, mainly, and the implicit suggestion by both, that Webber was &#039;out of line&#039;.
This event is going from what could have been smoothed over as a &#039;race incident&#039; then remediated behind the scenes, to a potential &#039;team orders&#039; scandal.
Horner is failing, more than anybody else!  And Marko ought to just shut up!  They&#039;ve turned this into a potential disaster.
Vettel, right from the crash was setting this up to be more than it should be, with the crazy gestures, as he walked away from the crash.  Then the cuddling on th pitwall made my stomach turn; it is clear to most people here that Vettel cost the team 28 points!
They have the car (Newey), and they have the hottest driver at this very moment (Webber), but they do not have the management.
In Canada, we have a popular singer, who goes by K-Os, who sings, &quot;...if it ain&#039;t broken, don&#039;t fix it...&quot;  Their driver is DEFINITELY not broken.  So let&#039;s say there WASa plan to promote the young blockhead, because it&#039;s an Austrian team, etc., etc.; thought I think it unlikely, when the other guy steps up and becomes red hot, they are trying to fix it, and it is not broken.
Don&#039;t &#039;fix it&#039; Red Bull, and you&#039;ll have yourself a championship; you are doomed to fail if you start &#039;fixing&#039; things.
Red Bull, even if they halted development of the car, might be able to win both the drivers and constructors title, but they are currently, at this moment, blowing it!What is more, after the start pass of Vettel on Webber, and then the two &#039;as dominating as the has ever been in Formula One&#039;, victories by Webber, surrendering the lead in the manner that would have been necessary to prevent an accident in Turkey, would have been ending one&#039;s world championship competition, nothing less!
Let&#039;s put this into the best perspective possible, what would have happened had the shoes been on the other respective feet; can anyone who has seen even half of the last 20 races believe that Sebastian Vettel would have ceded the lead to Mark Webber had their positions and circumstances been reversed?  If one thinks Vettel would have given up his lead under those circumstances, one would be a combination of ignorant and dim.
Vettel would NEVER give up position like that!Webber already let one go; at the time, I cringed to see it.  But, I like Webber, tend to give the benefit of the doubt.  But there is no doubt about Vettel; he has played out his driving morals between last seasons antics, and this event; he seems to expect privilage, assume right.  Whenever we see people assuming right, like this, in Formula One, that always means a crash.
If Webber does not win this year&#039;s championship, I don&#039;t expect that Red Bull will win either championship, and that is a shame; as mentioned before, they have the car and the driver, they should win.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis James.</p><p>Seb Vettel already used all of his gentlemanly credit from the fair Mark Webber, when he passed him in the first corner a few races back, Vettel&#8217;s only victory of this season!<br
/> It seems very strange ,indeed, of all the inexplicable support of Vettlel, coming from the Red Bull execs, Horner, and Marko, mainly, and the implicit suggestion by both, that Webber was &#8216;out of line&#8217;.<br
/> This event is going from what could have been smoothed over as a &#8216;race incident&#8217; then remediated behind the scenes, to a potential &#8216;team orders&#8217; scandal.<br
/> Horner is failing, more than anybody else!  And Marko ought to just shut up!  They&#8217;ve turned this into a potential disaster.<br
/> Vettel, right from the crash was setting this up to be more than it should be, with the crazy gestures, as he walked away from the crash.  Then the cuddling on th pitwall made my stomach turn; it is clear to most people here that Vettel cost the team 28 points!<br
/> They have the car (Newey), and they have the hottest driver at this very moment (Webber), but they do not have the management.<br
/> In Canada, we have a popular singer, who goes by K-Os, who sings, &#8220;&#8230;if it ain&#8217;t broken, don&#8217;t fix it&#8230;&#8221;  Their driver is DEFINITELY not broken.  So let&#8217;s say there WASa plan to promote the young blockhead, because it&#8217;s an Austrian team, etc., etc.; thought I think it unlikely, when the other guy steps up and becomes red hot, they are trying to fix it, and it is not broken.<br
/> Don&#8217;t &#8216;fix it&#8217; Red Bull, and you&#8217;ll have yourself a championship; you are doomed to fail if you start &#8216;fixing&#8217; things.<br
/> Red Bull, even if they halted development of the car, might be able to win both the drivers and constructors title, but they are currently, at this moment, blowing it!</p><p>What is more, after the start pass of Vettel on Webber, and then the two &#8216;as dominating as the has ever been in Formula One&#8217;, victories by Webber, surrendering the lead in the manner that would have been necessary to prevent an accident in Turkey, would have been ending one&#8217;s world championship competition, nothing less!<br
/> Let&#8217;s put this into the best perspective possible, what would have happened had the shoes been on the other respective feet; can anyone who has seen even half of the last 20 races believe that Sebastian Vettel would have ceded the lead to Mark Webber had their positions and circumstances been reversed?  If one thinks Vettel would have given up his lead under those circumstances, one would be a combination of ignorant and dim.<br
/> Vettel would NEVER give up position like that!</p><p>Webber already let one go; at the time, I cringed to see it.  But, I like Webber, tend to give the benefit of the doubt.  But there is no doubt about Vettel; he has played out his driving morals between last seasons antics, and this event; he seems to expect privilage, assume right.  Whenever we see people assuming right, like this, in Formula One, that always means a crash.<br
/> If Webber does not win this year&#8217;s championship, I don&#8217;t expect that Red Bull will win either championship, and that is a shame; as mentioned before, they have the car and the driver, they should win.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/comment-page-5/#comment-81603</link> <dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 13:35:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=7376#comment-81603</guid> <description>@stoikee:&quot; -because he had a fresh set of tyres from the pit stop that he had.&quot;  Webber&#039;s car was damaged and he has slowed even with the wing change until it came over the radio that the Mclaren&#039;s were &quot;critical&quot; on fuel, then Webo speed up.  Also he could have blocked Vettel at points on the track where overtaking is impossible and turned the wick up through the over taking zones.  Either way it is proof that fuel was not critical enough to justify what the team did. Fuel was not the issue. Don&#039;t make excuses just apologize to Mark and get on with it. You got caught.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stoikee:&#8221; -because he had a fresh set of tyres from the pit stop that he had.&#8221;  Webber&#8217;s car was damaged and he has slowed even with the wing change until it came over the radio that the Mclaren&#8217;s were &#8220;critical&#8221; on fuel, then Webo speed up.  Also he could have blocked Vettel at points on the track where overtaking is impossible and turned the wick up through the over taking zones.  Either way it is proof that fuel was not critical enough to justify what the team did. Fuel was not the issue. Don&#8217;t make excuses just apologize to Mark and get on with it. You got caught.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jay jacob</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/comment-page-5/#comment-81571</link> <dc:creator>jay jacob</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:41:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=7376#comment-81571</guid> <description>I haven&#039;t read all 421 comments, so if I&#039;m repeating someone else&#039;s view, my apologies.Consider this:  not Vettel, but Alonso or Hamilton was in the exact same position and made the same mistake of turning in early... would we blame Webber for maintaining his racing line?Webber has every right to hold his racing line; Vettel took the risk and paid the price running on the dirty line; no guts, no glory..but don&#039;t blame your decision on your team mate not giving room.Would Montoya, in Webber&#039;s position, give room to Ralf ??As a fan, this is EXACTLY the duel between Senna &amp; Prost, and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!!To JA, pls pls pls tell the racing world that, if teams force their drivers to &#039;give room&#039;, then we are no better than the times when Rubens moved over for Schumi,</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read all 421 comments, so if I&#8217;m repeating someone else&#8217;s view, my apologies.</p><p>Consider this:  not Vettel, but Alonso or Hamilton was in the exact same position and made the same mistake of turning in early&#8230; would we blame Webber for maintaining his racing line?</p><p>Webber has every right to hold his racing line; Vettel took the risk and paid the price running on the dirty line; no guts, no glory..but don&#8217;t blame your decision on your team mate not giving room.</p><p>Would Montoya, in Webber&#8217;s position, give room to Ralf ??</p><p>As a fan, this is EXACTLY the duel between Senna &amp; Prost, and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!!</p><p>To JA, pls pls pls tell the racing world that, if teams force their drivers to &#8216;give room&#8217;, then we are no better than the times when Rubens moved over for Schumi,</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ScottScott</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/comment-page-5/#comment-81507</link> <dc:creator>ScottScott</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:02:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=7376#comment-81507</guid> <description>Cant really agree with you Guru F1.***
Vettel himself said that he lost control of the car being on the dirty side.
***
I if he did lost control, won&#039;t it be his fault?***
Weber should have created more room or backed off to the right especially since it was another RB car trying to pass.
***
So Vettel is allowed to race but not Webber?***
Weber is known for making it tough for anyone to pass- though he should not have done it to another teammate. He could have easily overtaken in the next turn by reving up again.
***
Next time when I see Webber, I&#039;ll ask him to make it easier for everyone to overtake him.***
If RB indeed favored Vettel then he would have been 50 points ahead and not trailing Weber.
***
Are you serious with this comment?
Are you saying that RBR is the one giving out points like a teacher in classroom?
Webber got more points before he raced for them!***
Weber is what he is because of Red Bull racing.
***
Drivers play a major part when designing and setting a car and Webber contributed immensely in making the cars that RBR have now before Vettel came in.
Yes, Webber is what he is because of RBR but RBR is what it is now because of Webber!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cant really agree with you Guru F1.</p><p>***<br
/> Vettel himself said that he lost control of the car being on the dirty side.<br
/> ***<br
/> I if he did lost control, won&#8217;t it be his fault?</p><p>***<br
/> Weber should have created more room or backed off to the right especially since it was another RB car trying to pass.<br
/> ***<br
/> So Vettel is allowed to race but not Webber?</p><p>***<br
/> Weber is known for making it tough for anyone to pass- though he should not have done it to another teammate. He could have easily overtaken in the next turn by reving up again.<br
/> ***<br
/> Next time when I see Webber, I&#8217;ll ask him to make it easier for everyone to overtake him.</p><p>***<br
/> If RB indeed favored Vettel then he would have been 50 points ahead and not trailing Weber.<br
/> ***<br
/> Are you serious with this comment?<br
/> Are you saying that RBR is the one giving out points like a teacher in classroom?<br
/> Webber got more points before he raced for them!</p><p>***<br
/> Weber is what he is because of Red Bull racing.<br
/> ***<br
/> Drivers play a major part when designing and setting a car and Webber contributed immensely in making the cars that RBR have now before Vettel came in.<br
/> Yes, Webber is what he is because of RBR but RBR is what it is now because of Webber!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ScottScott</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/comment-page-5/#comment-81497</link> <dc:creator>ScottScott</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:39:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=7376#comment-81497</guid> <description>Maybe you shoud read all the comments and news available before making this comment.
Mark has the right to defend his position as this is a race.
Are you saying that whenever a car is closing in behind you, you should just moved over and let them pass, like a gentlement? Are you being serious?!
By now, everyone know thats Fuel Saving Mode is the new team order!
Obvously you are a Vettel fan.
You say it all when you said in one sentence:
&#039;They probably had idea how race would develop&#039;, which basically means they have already decided Vettel should win.
AND
&#039;as a team Mark should have understood that.&#039;, which basically means Mark should just move over and let Vettel win right?
What a joker!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you shoud read all the comments and news available before making this comment.<br
/> Mark has the right to defend his position as this is a race.<br
/> Are you saying that whenever a car is closing in behind you, you should just moved over and let them pass, like a gentlement? Are you being serious?!<br
/> By now, everyone know thats Fuel Saving Mode is the new team order!<br
/> Obvously you are a Vettel fan.<br
/> You say it all when you said in one sentence:<br
/> &#8216;They probably had idea how race would develop&#8217;, which basically means they have already decided Vettel should win.<br
/> AND<br
/> &#8216;as a team Mark should have understood that.&#8217;, which basically means Mark should just move over and let Vettel win right?<br
/> What a joker!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert Powers</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/so-is-vettel-the-favoured-son-at-red-bull/comment-page-5/#comment-81444</link> <dc:creator>Robert Powers</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:24:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=7376#comment-81444</guid> <description>The onus is on RBR to prove they can be a championship winner.Whenever they can achieve that lofty goal,I will then accept them as a true top team.MAYBE Red Bull can get one some day.Then we can say they have arrived.You could see this one coming since Webbull got on form,and it didn&#039;t take long,just a couple races-and a vastly impatient move at that,looked desparate even.Vebbull showing faults and it isn&#039;t even summer yet.We almost saw a Grand Prix with the two dominating teams removing themselves from competition.That would have been a true &quot;turn up for the books&quot;!Because I doubt it has ever happened-I could not believe my eyes.Jenson and Lewis did a good job,if a bit ill-advised.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The onus is on RBR to prove they can be a championship winner.Whenever they can achieve that lofty goal,I will then accept them as a true top team.MAYBE Red Bull can get one some day.Then we can say they have arrived.</p><p>You could see this one coming since Webbull got on form,and it didn&#8217;t take long,just a couple races-and a vastly impatient move at that,looked desparate even.Vebbull showing faults and it isn&#8217;t even summer yet.</p><p>We almost saw a Grand Prix with the two dominating teams removing themselves from competition.That would have been a true &#8220;turn up for the books&#8221;!Because I doubt it has ever happened-I could not believe my eyes.Jenson and Lewis did a good job,if a bit ill-advised.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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