Posted on January 7, 2010
Mosley pursues Briatore, Webber’s licence at risk? | James Allen on F1 – The official James Allen website on F1

Former FIA president Max Mosley has spoken out today about the civil court verdict in the Briatore case this week, which ordered the FIA to overturn the lifetime ban on the Italian. He said that the matter was ‘not over’.

Meanwhile the FIA has reiterated that Briatore is still subject to the sanction banning him from managing drivers, which puts Red Bull’s Mark Webber in a tricky position.

Photo: Darren Heath

Photo: Darren Heath


Speaking to the Times newspaper today, Mosley said, “The idea that in the end, when all the dust has settled, Briatore will get off is fiction — it won’t happen.”

In the Telegraph he added, “Remember, the court did not find that he was not guilty. They just didn’t like the procedure we used. But it’s a very preliminary judgement. I think the FIA should appeal the judgement because I think it is seriously flawed in a number of areas.

“Aspects of it are just extraordinary. (Pat) Symonds actually admitted in writing that he was guilty and yet they found in his favour. But that’s only because they are not looking at the substance, they are just looking at the procedure.”

Mosley also dislike the French courts’ assertion that he had a conflict of interests and had pursued a vendetta against Briatore. He said that, “This was all invented to distract attention from the fact he committed the worst example of cheating in the history of sport.”

Mosley’s intervention and the tone of it are very interesting. He is no longer the FIA president – Jean Todt is – and yet he is speaking as if he still were. He appears to be speaking on behalf of the FIA when he talks about the points of principle which are very important to him. But his main motivation for speaking out is the personal criticism, which both Briatore and the court have made of him.

Todt had Mosley’s full support in his candidacy, but he also made it clear that in office he will be his own man. He knew that Mosley would do this interview, sanctioned it even, but it has created a confusion. Who is running the show? There is a risk so early in Todt’s presidency that this episode could be construed as confirming many people’s fears; that Mosley is driving the FIA from the back seat. Mosley still talks of a “handover period” in the presidency and clearly he feels that this is ongoing.

The FIA seem quite calm about this today. Mosley felt he had to intervene, whereas Todt has kept in the background, communicating only by means of an official FIA statement on the day of the verdict. This is likely to be the tone of his presidency and it is also unlikely that Mosley will intervene again in this way, on what appears to be an FIA remit, unless there is some personal angle specific to him. His ongoing role is as a member of the FIA Senate, nothing more.

The FIA has three options now in dealing with Briatore; appeal against the verdict, reconvene the world council or take the case to the new disciplinary court which Todt is planning to introduce. I can’t see the need to appeal, as they can achieve what they want through internal changes without dragging the case on in public.

This verdict, which was a shock to the FIA, will force them to make some changes so that they have some authority over third parties. They can change the statutes so that the FIA can ban non licence holders, they can introduce licences for key men, as I suggested in a post the other day. All options are open and they may well pursue a combination of them.

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In the mean time, the FIA confirmed that Briatore is still barred from managing drivers. the Italian said to Gazzetta dello Sport yesterday that he still had his management business. This was not part of the court’s verdict and as far as the FIA are concerned, the sanction handed down in September stands and any Briatore managed driver applying for a superlicence will be turned down. This affects Mark Webber, but not Heikki Kovalainen, who has left the Briatore stable.

Drivers normally apply for their superlicences around the start of February.

Mosley pursues Briatore, Webber’s licence at risk?
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  1.   1. Posted By: mac
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 6:43 pm 

    Is there no way to gag Max for ever?

    Webber will be fine. No risk at all.

    Flavio will be back.

    Anyone spoken to Pat S yet?

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    shaun Reply:

    don’t speak about ‘gagging’ Max, I’m still trying to forget the video….

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    John Glynn Reply:

    I agree and look forward to it all happening.

    Max: “worst example of cheating in the sport”- still living in a dreamworld.

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    Dale Reply:

    No, why should we give him pleasure by gagging him? :lol:

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    Peter Freeman Reply:

    Indeed. In the history of the sport…

    Of course Hamilton being stripped of his win is Spa ’08 was done officially and in the open, so its all ok and not match fixing at all. That no driver in the history of F1 before or since has been penalised for leaving the track has no significance and does not mean anything at all. That the FIA and a major team like Ferrari were directly involved of course proves that it was all fine and not dishonest in any way.

    But Briatore, Symonds and Piquet acting alone… what terrible cheats! (Well except Piquet, he is fine cause he is our friend now!)

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    kimi Reply:

    Webber said on September 24th, that he won’t have Briatore as his manager…you can google translate the statement on this link:

    http://f1.avtomanija.com/default.asp?rb=1&id=16583

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  2.   2. Posted By: Ishaak
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 6:51 pm 

    I don’t see how this puts Webber at risk. If Kovy could leave the Briatore stable, why can’t Webber?

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    Ben Reply:

    Because Webber has publicly stated something along the lines of “If we can’t deal with Flavio, we don’t deal with anyone”.

    I took that to actually mean that if he was forced to dump Flav (which he wouldn’t do unless absolutely forced), he and Ann would go it alone. And thats what i think will happen if he is forced to dump Flav. But bloody heck we know what Mark’s like, he’ll fight it thats for sure

    Ann was his manager early in his career, and I can see Mark moving into more of an all-round managerial role when he’s done with F1. He has just started a race team with one of the senior guys from Red Bull (whose name slips my memory just at the moment, a few too many wines over dinner). I would expect him to move into a team manager or driver manager role, so if he can take charge of his own affairs now it would give him invaluable experience for the next step of his career.

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  3.   3. Posted By: chairmanmeow
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 6:59 pm 

    i wish all this stuff would go away. would rather hear about schumacher and the new cars…

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    Alex Reply:

    You’re so right chairmanmeow. I made exactley the same comment in the Kimi story.

    James-I think it’s a bit unfair that Webber is penalised just because of his manager. Is there a risk that he won’t get a superlicence and will be unable to race this year?

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  4.   4. Posted By: Nikki
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 7:03 pm 

    Oh dear oh dear.

    So then, Briatore’s bitter comment yesterday about looking into legal action against di Grassi and Kovalainen is completely void then? Because I thought that was really unfair.

    Max and Flav are as bad as each other, funny how the first week of 2010 has been dominated by news of two men who aren’t even technically involved in F1 anymore.

    Will we ever hear the last of Max?

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  5.   5. Posted By: Gareth
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 7:05 pm 

    Hmmm the fact that Mosley still thinks he’s the man in charge is so infuriating.

    If Webber does have his superlicense rejected, where does that leave him with Red Bull?

    Would it constitute a breach of his contract?

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    John Reply:

    Agreed. Todt, show your backbone!

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  6.   6. Posted By: Silverstoned
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 7:21 pm 

    please let Webber have his last year in F1. He deserves it for holding Button off in AbuD.

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  7.   7. Posted By: Martin P
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 7:22 pm 

    Am I missing something?

    1. Briatore has consistently denied involvement.

    2. The FIA hearing didn’t have any evidence of his involvement (and because Renault admitted the incident occurred their hearing was about punishment and not a trial I believe?).

    3. Renault didn’t have any evidence of his involvement.

    He resigned as team principal, but that can be seen as taking responsibility. But that’s very different from actually being proven guilty of anything.

    So if Mosley wants to punish him (again!) without a trial – surely that’s the definition of the very vendetta he denies?

    The big story here is how Todt manages it all and establishes himself as THE leader. Everything else is just “reheated soup”.

    Question for the legal minds out there though – if the FIA don’t launch an appeal in the courts as James suggests, aren’t they open to court action themselves for not putting the adverts’ in the French press as instructed?

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    Monty Reply:

    Let’s not forget that Max knew of the plot/crash scenario for months before it became public knowledge but chose to do nothing about it claiming that a complaint had to be raised before he could investigate.

    Where was his indignation then regarding the worst cheating in the history of the sport? Oh yeah, sitting on the timebomb along with Bernie.

    These people are supposedly the custodians of the sport. *snorts in derision*

    Let’s hope they don’t move into policng the streets, you see someone being attacked, but you can only act when you receive a 999 call.

    Wierd logic.

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    adam Reply:

    Yes, you are missing something. The FIA have 2 sworn written statements in their possession placing Flabbio at the heart of the conspiracy.One from Renaults chief engineer Alan Permane and one from driver Piquet Jr.
    In addition, Symonds has refused to answer the question about Flabbio’s involvement.

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    Rudy Pyatt Reply:

    Was Permane Witness X?

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  8.   8. Posted By: monktonnik
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 7:23 pm 

    Taking the personal issues aside, I can’t believe that the FIA don’t have the power to ban whoever they like. I think that it is a tremendous over sight on their part if their own constitution doesn’t allow it.

    If someone is guilty of that kind of cheating then they should be banned; and yes I think that should be for life. I feel the same about athletes who are caught taking drugs.

    I think that they effectively can stop Flavio re-entering the sport in a meaningful way by refusing to allow any team that employs him to participate in the world championship and by sanctioning any of the drivers he looks after; as they may in the case of Webber.

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  9.   9. Posted By: Alan
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 7:35 pm 

    I wander if the FIA will have to be happy with Flav being ‘guilty’ although not punishable. And Flav will try and be a pain but won’t get in again. He can always distract himself at QPR. And now that Flav is looking forward to the nappies again maybe Bernie will take on the role of pit lane playboy.

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  10.   10. Posted By: Antti Kokko
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 7:36 pm 

    I´d be very suprised if FIA would try to introduce some retroactive rule to target Flavio and Pat, as this would land them in to a world of hurt from the Frnch courts.

    Very intrested to see what Todts reaction will be. Is he a Mosleys puppet or not?

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  11.   11. Posted By: Antti Kokko
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 7:40 pm 

    James,

    I think you got this part wrong:

    “This was not part of the court’s verdict and as far as the FIA are concerned, the sanction handed down in September stands and any Briatore managed driver applying for a superlicence will be turned down.”

    IMHO the court found the WMSC sanction irregular, an therefore void in entirety. FIA´s comments were just refering to the fact, that until the appeals are exhausted, the WMSC decision stands.

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  12.   12. Posted By: F1ART
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 7:50 pm 

    Max just can’t stand personal criticism, especially that they didn’t like the procedure in a court of law. ouch!!!! you hate to lose eh Max!!
    A more clever man might not have made that mistake?
    Or should i say a (clever)man not fulled by revenge might not have made that mistake?

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  13.   13. Posted By: F1 Kitteh
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 7:51 pm 

    The whole problem was started by selectively handing out immunity to certain parties involved and not others, it would be hard for the court to conclude that it was not vendetta. A little blunder by Max…

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    Dale Reply:

    Wrong, the whole problem was and is the former FIA president.

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  14.   14. Posted By: Uppili
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 7:58 pm 

    Wow James…..Ever the diplomat, even you have had enough with Mosley’s nonsense it seems.

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  15.   15. Posted By: Blaz Stremfelj
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 8:00 pm 

    Didn’t Webber say he’ll be his own manager, when Briatore got banned?

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  16.   16. Posted By: fernando
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 8:07 pm 

    when you read posts, twitter messages from people related to f1 it seems that Briatore and french court has done something wrong by stating that Mosley wasn’t reading FIA internal rules when handing the penalty. quite strange… why did nobody shout when Mosley was doing wrong? it seems to be ok when police ban your driving licence because of stolen banana from supermarket…

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  17.   17. Posted By: Sebee
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 8:08 pm 

    Who cares.

    Mosley and Briatore is old news. Briatore was fun and now he shamed himself into exile. If he didn’t plan it then he allowed it to happen on his watch. He’s off the FIA island.

    Not like we will remember him this season. We’ll be too busy watching the track action.

    Let’s stop being so sentimental about old uncle Flav.

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  18.   18. Posted By: akl
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 8:14 pm 

    Ive always found it slightly odd that the press haven’t connected/mentioned Mosley hunt through the european courts for the people/person he believes is behind the set up around his activities in a basements in London. Ive always wondered if this has anything to do with behaviors we have seen between various senior f1 characters over the last year.

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  19.   19. Posted By: Olivier
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 8:24 pm 

    This is quite annoying for Jean Todt.

    Max Mosley is making a fool of himself. It truly is a vendetta between him and Briatore.

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  20.   20. Posted By: rpaco
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 8:54 pm 

    As I have said before the French court was carefully chosen, to be sympathetic to Flav, thus it was not really a surprise.

    The FIA could require all team principles, directors,owners, managers/agents/trainers/medicine men and members, to hold a licence, which would record penalty points like a UK driving licence. Flav would then be awarded 12 points and loose his immediately. Also like the UK driving licence fines would go with the points, say £1000 per point on a cumulative basis so that the fine would increase with each point. Again in parallel the points could be cleared after 5 years. (except in the case of deliberate endangerment, where a life ban would apply) A nominal annual fee to cover the cost of the licence organisation and tracking. They may not take them too seriously until they start getting banned from tracks.

    Mark Webber needs to get a new manager pronto.

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  21.   21. Posted By: Goncalo Carvalho
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 9:03 pm 

    The fact that Mosley spoke and Todt didn’t, or the press asked Mosley rather than Todt says it all really.

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    James Allen Reply:

    It’s definitely the former rather than the latter

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  22.   22. Posted By: Liam
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 9:16 pm 

    Your photo of mark’s reminds me of the mum’s photography ability.

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    James Allen Reply:

    Tell that to Red Bull’s official photographer from Getty Images who took it….

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    Simon R Reply:

    I think he means the way it’s been cropped. The grammar meanwhile, hmmm

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  23.   23. Posted By: MartinWR
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 9:37 pm 

    It is hardly surprising at all that Max Mosley decided to comment on this business. There is every indication that the decision of the French court was swayed by Flav’s allegations against him and completely forgot the unprecedented fraud that had been commissioned. It looks as though the court was unfamiliar with the sort of ridiculous grandstanding which has become the common currency of F1 these days and was taken in by it in making its judgement.

    This is quite disgraceful, bearing in mind that on a number of previous occasions Max and the FIA leant over backwards and let Flav off when allegations of cheating surfaced. When Renault offended they got off far more lightly than other teams, e.g. McLaren. So the allegations were baseless, and should have been dismissed as such.

    The court undermined the authority of the FIA by totally failing to take into account the fact that Flav cleverly chose not to appear at the FIA hearing to put his case (if he ever had one to put). How can it be possible for a sport’s ruling body to exercise its role when the sports’ participants can achieve their ends by simply blatantly bypassing its jurisdiction in such a way? Under these circumstances the FIA might just as well shut up shop and let everyone do their own thing until someone ends up getting killed. Perhaps that is the only thing that will make the French courts wake up to the foolishness of this judgement.

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  24.   24. Posted By: Curro
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 9:41 pm 

    “I think the FIA should appeal the judgement…”

    What an unnecessary piece of interference. Todt has to stamp his authority quick, if he really wants the racing world to know it exists.

    What’s wrong with Mosley? His superiority complex is enervating. He’s undoubtedly cleverer than most, but man does he try hard to be hated for it.

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  25.   25. Posted By: Jonathan Dye
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 10:10 pm 

    Mosley once again trampling over F1 and anyone who gets in his way to satisfy a personal vendetta.
    The extreme cost cutting measure he proposed were simply trying to break up the teams alliance.
    He may have done a lot to benefit F1, but he had dragged the sport through the dirt on its knees to get his own way.
    He should have gone a long time ago, and he should be removed from the FIA altogether now.
    Most of the bad press over the last 5 years has been his doing in one way or another.

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  26.   26. Posted By: Trent
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 10:25 pm 

    Not driven by vendetta? You must be joking, Max. You’re entire reason for being is vendetta.

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  27.   27. Posted By: Andy
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 11:26 pm 

    I am sure common sense will prevail where mark webber is concerned.

    He’s a good driver and a likeable personality too. Best of luck for 2010 mark!

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  28.   28. Posted By: John F
        Date: January 7th, 2010 @ 11:42 pm 

    James, you mention the FIA Senate, of which Mosley is now “only” a member.
    I’m not familiar with the function of the Senate. Could you clarify what the Senate does and how much power its members (and Mosley) have?

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  29.   29. Posted By: Brace
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 12:31 am 

    To put it politely, I really, really don’t like mosley. How can he say that verdict still stands if it’s determined that process was flawed.

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  30.   30. Posted By: Rudy Pyatt
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 2:22 am 

    This is Max defending his own pride. I’m sure he would say that he’s really defending the Federation. Either way, he is making a grave mistake.

    The FIA is NOT a sovereign state. To maintain, as Max apparently does, that the Federation is wholly immune from action by administrative, legislative and judicial bodies in the countries it operates in (ESPECIALLY in France, headquartered as the FIA is in Paris on the Place de Concorde, but also within the EU generally) and can ignore the decisions of those bodies is simply strange. I’m being polite with that characterization. If the FIA loses its appeal; if it then maintains its sanctions; if the Federation then attempts to withhold Mark Webber’s license in an effort to get at F Briatore despite losing at that point twice in court; if they should be so foolish as to do this, a whole can of whupass will be opened on all concerned. And on the Federation in particular.

    1) The Tribunal de Grande Instance could well be expected to initiate what amounts to contempt proceedings – levying some sanction against the FIA for flouting the Tribunal’s ruling invalidating the punishments handed to FB and PS. I seriously doubt that the Tribunal would be pleased with another obvious attempt to get at FB, and this time through his client Webber, a driver wholly uninvolved in the Crashgate affair and any of its proceedings.

    2) Obviously, FB would appeal, likely to the Tribunal de Grande Instance.

    3) Webber would probably have a cause of action. I suspect that French and/or EU authorities would take a dim view of the implications this would have on competition, monopoly/restraint of trade, and contract law. Should Webber choose to fight this in court, that court could well be the Tribunal de Grande Instance. Where he would probably win. Especially because,

    4) Max is out there making these aggressive (and, frankly, dismissive) statements about the Tribunal’s ruling, he has again created the appearance, if not the fact, of FIA bias in its dealings with FB and (by extension) MW. Given that the Tribunal de Grande Instance has already cited Max’s conflicts of interest and bias when invalidating the sanctions, that creates an obvious basis for that court to rule against the Federation if any part of this mess gets back to the Tribunal.

    Such a tug of war would have grave, maybe fatal, implications for the independence of the Federation. Ironic, given that Max has spoken so much about attacks on the Federation this past year. To prevent this, Todt needs to act NOW and stop the madness. Just come out and say, “You know what? The court said we couldn’t impose sanctions. That’s it, it’s done. We’ll move on and put better procedures in place to handle any future crisis.”

    One last point concerns the FIA appeal itself. Trying to win an appeal so that they can hold a new hearing and impose new sanctions on FB and PS amounts to double jeopardy, an effort to keep bringing the same charges until they get the result they want. Max and others were neither as accepting nor enthusiastic as they are here, when this approach was taken by Italian authorities toward Frank Williams, Patrick Head and (I think) Adrian Newey in an effort to find them guilty for the death of Aryton Senna. Going further back, something of the same happened with Jim Clark for the death of Wolfgang Von Tripps.

    Letting this run and run brings on exactly that kind of thing, unavoidably creating the appearance (if not the reality) of a vendetta. Todt needs to prevent this. Max needs to avoid this. He needs to sit down, shut up, chill out and have a Coke and a smile.

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    Martin Collyer Reply:

    Many Thanks Rudy.

    Martin

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    Monty Reply:

    Superb post Rudy.

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  31.   31. Posted By: Matt
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 3:10 am 

    Autosport quoted webber in September – “Mark Webber says he will take care of his own contract negotiations from now on rather than replacing Flavio Briatore.”

    I would expect that Mark together with his partner would be able to manage his affairs at this point of his career. Flavio may have some claim over investing in marks early career, but I would imagine that it is in Flavio’s interest to keep Mark in the field.

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    Scott King Reply:

    Yes Matt this was widely reported and James knows it. For a long time now he has for some reason been far from a supporter of Mark and is always fairly begrudging in any praise or recognition of any of his achievements. James is this just a way to try and throw a few doubts in peoples minds about Mark?

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    James Allen Reply:

    You are well wide of the mark there.

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  32.   32. Posted By: RON
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 3:29 am 

    Somebody, please put this donkey out to pasture… he has wrecked a great sport, and still talks as if someone give a hoot about anything this crook has to say…

    Flavio has far more credibility then Max ever will…

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  33.   33. Posted By: murray
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 4:41 am 

    The worst example of cheating in the history of sport? Note to FIA: Max’s perspective isn’t reality. He’s not the president anymore. If he’s not an FIA spokesman, make that clear. If he is, make that clear, too.

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  34.   34. Posted By: Nadeem Zreikat
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 5:41 am 

    Strange we have not heard much from Todt he is the president after all I doubt Mark wont get a superlicense. Typical of Max and his grab for attention- I was a big fan in the past for all the safety aspects etc but he never seemed to listen to the fans that much on what we wanted from F1. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Lastly would be good to have Flav back. James any plans for a Bernie book in the near future?

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    James Allen Reply:

    None

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    RON Reply:

    Wise move – I certainly would not spend hard earned money on anything about Max and Bernie, unless it contributed to the truth about just what a [mod] force the two are.

    These two people took a top quality sport and turned it into a boring circus with ads…

    [mod]

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  35.   35. Posted By: Adron Gardner
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 6:06 am 

    This guy just doesn’t learn. The more Mosley involves himself, the more he vindicates the court word that he was pursuing a vendetta.

    Shouldn’t there be a superlicense for oversized egos also?

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  36.   36. Posted By: Darren
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 6:18 am 

    Max supposedly was a barrister before he came to be in the FIA yet he doesn’t seem to understand the legal system very well.

    You would think that he would know that you can’t punish an illegal act with another illegal act, no matter how much power he thinks he (and the FIA) have.

    Oh, I second mac’s wish to gag him forever too

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    MartinWR Reply:

    With the greatest possible respect Darren, I have to say is it not conceivable that, as an experienced barrister, Max Mosley has more understanding of the law in his little finger than you have in your whole body?

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    Liz Collyer Reply:

    I think one of main problems from the start has been that Max IS a lawyer. Lawyers are trained always to fight their case. In business and other areas, senior people are more likely to try for consensus and get long-term agreement. Max always appears to tackle things head on and come out fighting. NOT the way to get agreement with uber-successful business men and super egos.

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  37.   37. Posted By: Paul Kirk
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 7:26 am 

    Come on Mark, separate yourself from that disreputable character! I want to see you have some good fortune in F1, you deserve it, but being tied up with him you’ll never know when the shit’s going to hit the fan!
    Get a reputable manager that everybody respects otherwise you’ll be dragged down!
    Look what’s happened to Nelsino!
    Regards
    PK.

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  38.   38. Posted By: Kedar
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 10:04 am 

    Wont Max ever go away!! I thought we had seen the last of him after Jean Todt took over but seems like he is pulling the strings even after Jean Todt has taken this role

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    Dale Reply:

    To right :!:

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  39.   39. Posted By: Gilraen
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 10:41 am 

    “Who is running the show?” MM is only proving one of Briatore’s points: personal vendetta.
    He (Max) can only be gagged when he no longer has a (media) platform. So it’s up to the media primarily :-)
    I predict that Max has a lot more unfinished business and we will be hearing more of him, unfortunately.

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  40.   40. Posted By: Dale
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 10:46 am 

    Why Oh why do people give this horrid man publicity ? Mosley is the past and it’s not a good past, good riddance I say.
    If he had governed properly, instead as though the FIA was his private toy or plaything then we wouldn’t be reading what the French court has said.
    None of us know if Briatore is guilty or not as he has not been tried in any legal and right court, but we do know that the FIA under Mosley got it wrong.

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    Frankie Allen Reply:

    I fully agree with Todt that something has to be done about Briatore in cleansing the sport. But the FIA has to put it’s own house in order first. Mosley has shown time and again where his priorities lay, some demented game of one-upmanship. Mosley still sits on the FIA senate, why?

    The problems we are seeing at the present is because Mosley in all his excitement did not do his job properly and heaped further problems upon the FIA.

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  41.   41. Posted By: Stephen Kellett JAF1
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 12:00 pm 

    Several years ago, on ITV, there was a TV series named “Ultra Violet”. The premise was that Vampires were taking over the world. You couldn’t tell them from humans, but video cameras couldn’t see them. So the vampire police had guns (firing silver bullets) with cameras on them. If you could see them, but the camera couldn’t, you’d shoot them. I quite liked the series. It ran for one year and despite an interesting end to the series the second season was not commissioned (of if it was, it was not shown in the UK).

    The last episode ended with a drop of human blood being added to the ashes of a “dead” vampire. The vampire re-materialised, to be revealed as the hero’s old friend.

    I mention this simply because this posting made me think of it. A bit of public criticism and what happens? Max rises from his grave…

    The show was ahead of its time, with all the current TV shows seeming to be about Vampires. It was certainly more interesting than the current vampire shows doing the rounds.

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    Tonksy Reply:

    Mate what on earth are you talking about??

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    Stephen Kellett JAF1 Reply:

    I was hoping some people might find it mildly humourous. Failed with you, I see. Better luck next time.

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  42.   42. Posted By: Dauné
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 2:15 pm 

    Personally I have no regard at all for Mosley or Briatore. Just thought though,both names would make a rhyming poem, but I can’t be bothered.
    I do however feel that the FIA have time between now and February to bring in a rule stating that anyone who manages drivers requires an FIA licence. Simple – FB goodbye!
    I think you made that point too James.

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  43.   43. Posted By: Bison
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 3:30 pm 

    In a normal justice system Flavio is innocent until proven guilty. I don’t see how he can be found guilty in any court if Piguet Jnr and Renault can get off scott free, that is not the way justice works in a real world. The FIA blinded by Mosley’s vengeance messed up they need to either pay up and drop the ban so F1 can get back to racing while changing the regulations to prevent this sort of thing from happening again, or retry all those involved so we can discover who Witness X is, it is still impossible to see how they can punish an unlicensed Flavio though, and dish out another soft punishment and immunity for others.

    The French courts have more authority and credibility than a mickey mouse FIA they better not start a war with them.

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  44.   44. Posted By: Guy
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 3:39 pm 

    I admire Max, love his intellect and the Machiavellian spirit at work. He really is “The Prince”. As for Flavio, how can you all be so seduced by such a performer?
    Ah! the joys of this fabulous sport they gave us lots of fun last year while the on track action was a bit predictable.
    Jokes aside – looking forward to seeing the “new” FIA doing some good strategic thinking and needful planning as Max did. We ALL want more on track action not just pretty or big name personalities. Time they get regulations together that give us this. The young drivers can fight – we just want a sport where they can fight not just go round in circles.

    Max knew what was going on and called the teams correctly. I think some people just don’t like it when somebody ‘nasty’ is right.
    I am in a minority here backing The Prince, but felt somebody should stand up for The Prince. Long Live The Prince.

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    MartinWR Reply:

    You’re not quite in a minority, Guy. See my post above. You don’t have to like his outside interests to admire a cool intellect that runs rings around the inflated egos of the IQ challenged pygmies who try to take him on.

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    Brace Reply:

    I’ll have what this guy is having! Must be first class stuff.

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  45.   45. Posted By: The Limit
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 3:57 pm 

    Transition period or not, the FIA should not allow Mosley any leverage at all and he should certainly not be allowed to speak as if he were still president.
    I agree, for once with Bernie Ecclestone. This war of words between Briatore and Mosley will go on and on, and risks overshadowing the start of the season which is only two months away.
    The smart move for the FIA would be to nip this in the bud and remind Mosley, publically if necessary, that he is no longer in charge and that Jean Todt is. Mosley had his pound of flesh when this scandal broke into the farce that it was, which very nearly destroyed Renault as a competitor in F1. The damage to the reputations of those involved was huge, and lets not forget, that Max Mosley brought disgrace to the sport with his 2008 sex scandal.
    Singapore 2008 was a huge scandal, by the sex saga that preceded it got just as much worldwide attention.

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  46.   46. Posted By: rpaco
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 6:08 pm 

    Ha Ha Now Flav’s lawyer is making statements that the FIA have no chance of winning an appeal and how he has held back so far, for the good of the team!!!!!!!:-) LOL
    From his grammar (if not the ebullience) I would guess he too is Italian.

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  47.   47. Posted By: Dave Walker
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 6:10 pm 

    WOW i wish this guy would just go walk his dog or do the garden, paint the walls or anything retired people do. Let the man in charge do his job and stop playing that same old tune in the papers, we dont care we moved on, now please would you!!

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  48.   48. Posted By: Young Slinger
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 6:43 pm 

    Sorry but like father, like son, an arrogance and contempt for the Law and Justice. If it had all been carried out in accordance with FIA rules in the first place, ALL the cheats would have been punished properly, the sport would be able to move forward. Vindictiveness has accounted for many so-called ‘verdicts’ for transgressions – the McLaren sagas, for example. Remove personalities and concentrate on the correct interpretation of the regulations is Todt’s priority!

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  49.   49. Posted By: RON
        Date: January 8th, 2010 @ 7:17 pm 

    Max was one of the primary reasons why 97% of the fan base were looking forawrd to a breakaway series…

    Max is a reject… and Todt should ensure this old goat is never allowed to speak on behalf of the FIA ever again…

    The FIA need to focus on building up crediblity, as right now, it has none…

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    Brace Reply:

    Couldn’t agree more.

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  50.   50. Posted By: Steph
        Date: January 9th, 2010 @ 12:50 am 

    Please stop giving this horrible man a voice.

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    Young Slinger Reply:

    The Media love him, always a story, regardless of rights and wrongs. Sell papers and be damned!

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  51.   51. Posted By: Mosq
        Date: January 9th, 2010 @ 10:58 am 

    Well, this Mosley – Todt alliance reminds me Russia’s Putin – Medvedev. Hope it won’t work same way

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    James Allen Reply:

    Who or what is Chechyna in your analogy?

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    Nico Reply:

    Chechnya is Formula 1. They pretend to care about it, but really it’s just a playground to house their political bickering.

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  52.   52. Posted By: Neil Barr
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 6:59 am 

    Scorched earth … got to be McLaren.

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