Posted on January 10, 2010
Details emerge of new Ferrari F1 design | James Allen on F1 – The official James Allen website on F1

Today’s Gazzetta Sportiva, the Sunday edition of the Gazzetta dello Sport has a full page dedicated to revealing some details of the 2010 Ferrari which will be launched later this month in time for the Valencia test from 1-3 February.

It looks pretty aggressive, judging from the drawing by F1′s pre-eminent technical journalist, Giorgio Piola. He is not always right but after over 40 years in the business and with some impeccable contacts at Ferrari, we can be fairly confident that the information is valid.

Piola suggests that there are strong echoes of last year’s Red Bull, arguably the most successful car aerodynamically of 2009, the area where Ferrari got it wrong. The cockpit top is higher than last year’s car and the nose has a step in it, like last year’s Red Bull, the diffuser is also said to be similar to the Red Bull.

To accommodate the new rules, the fuel tank is said to be double the size of last year’s at 240 litres, almost six times the size of a Fiat Punto tank, the paper points out. This means that the wheelbase is 15cm longer than the 2009 car. Allowing for the higher minimum weight (620kg) and the full fuel tanks, sitting on the start line of the race, the car will be 185 kilos heavier this year, which is 30% more than last year! That is going to give the brakes a seriously hard time at tracks like Bahrain and Montreal.

The 2010 cars will have narrower front tyres, as per the new rules and this will mean that the weight distribution will have to move rearwards a bit and it will affect the aerodynamics down the vitally important channel between the front wheels and the cockpit. The wheel covers have been banned.

The oil tank has been moved from in front of the engine to behind it, to allow for the enlarged fuel tank.

In a separate story, there is a suggestion in Gazzetta that USF1 has applied to the FIA for a derogation to miss the early fly away races and start at the Spanish Grand Prix in April. This contradicts USF1 sporting director Peter Windsor’s assertion last week that the team will definitely be in Bahrain. It’s Sunday today, but I will follow this up when the offices open on Monday.

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  1.   1. Posted By: Martin
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 5:37 pm 

    I was just wondering what your thoughts were on the Campos Meta team as it seems they are already looking for new owners?

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    James Allen Reply:

    Not really looked into that situation yet. I know Alessandro Ajag is close to the team and he is very close to Flavio, but I’m not sure if a start up is what Flavio needs at this time of his career or whether he will be free to return anyway. It would be very sad for Bruno Senna if the team didn’t make it.

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  2.   2. Posted By: Gabriel
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 5:38 pm 

    Ferrari can’t be too happy with this information leaking out. Though I wonder if there’s enough info there to really influence another team’s design this close to the beginning of the season.

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    Matthew H Reply:

    Here’s a scan of the paper :
    http://i50.tinypic.com/103aamd.jpg

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    Campbell Reply:

    I doubt it. The report doesn’t contain anything that the teams wouldn’t have had to make concrete decisions on pretty early in their design process. Aerodynamically, that they’re going with Red Bull’s nose strakes is no bomb shell. Autosport’s version of this story states that the car will be launched with the 2009 front and rear wings too so really nothing at all can be read into it aero wise either.

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  3.   3. Posted By: Paul Martin
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 5:43 pm 

    When do you expect a launch James?

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  4.   4. Posted By: Matt
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 6:11 pm 

    Bit off topic but…

    It’ll be very annoying, I think if USF1 do not make the start race or the grid at all in 2010 given the teams who missed out. I’m all for a US team and GP and the development of the North American market, but if the result is a team who can’t field a car, or even name a driver it’s a wasted effort at the cost of other, potentially better entrants.

    The new teams will obviously make up the numbers in their first season, but are any of them going to have the substance to become a regular point scorer in the first 3 years and assuming they can and will stick it out?

    Lotus? Maybe…

    From a business point of view I think Virgin will be the most interesting team to watch. RB hasn’t failed often but how long he’d fund a car to trail his brand around at the back will be interesting.

    The Virgin brand I believe has the most to lose if the results don’t come.

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    Richard Mee Reply:

    Interesting point but i’d argue Virgin as a group have few if any competitors in terms of F1 title sponsors. Branson will treat this as a standing investment of $40m / year in return for international mass market brand exposure as well as a means to reward his very best contacts, sponsors and employees. I don’t think he’s got racing in his blood to the extent that he’s in this to win at any cost vs the established teams… I may be wrong.

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    James Allen Reply:

    No Virgin is not putting money in, they are getting sponsors to pay for it in return for the opportunity to access all Virgin’s channels – customers, media etc

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    Matt Reply:

    An ideal, win win business model off track.

    As long as it’s not damaging to the brand having Virgin P24 and P25, which is a real risk.

    Red Bull have largely avoided this risk because they do want to win and have done.

    As has been discussed Virgin and some of the other new teams / owners are bringing a completly new business model into F1 and it’s going to be just as interesting to observe this as the racing!

    Howard Hughes Reply:

    I think they’re putting 5 mil in; though Branson referred to it cryptically as a ‘loan’…

    Med Reply:

    It all stinks of downright incompetence from the FIA in my opinion; they should never have opened the entries on the basis of the budget caps until they were firmly in place, equally, they should have re-evaluated their assessments on whether the new teams would have the resources to make the grid when the caps went out the window.

    Now most of the manufacturers have gone, the political reasons for getting Cosworth powered teams onboard have gone too and we’re left with the rather pathetic situation of Prodrive not having a place because it’s been taken by someone that might not be able to use it.

    Even if they do make it, if they’re struggling to make it to the grid, God help when it comes to competing a season.

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  5.   5. Posted By: Raz
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 6:25 pm 

    Hi James, Thanks for the info, would it be possible to see a link to the “artist” impression?

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  6.   6. Posted By: Flintelli
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 6:49 pm 

    I like the sound of that! We can’t possibly have another year like 2009. Look at 2005, we were rubbish then and 2006 we came back to give Renualt what fore! Lets hope history repeats again…..

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  7.   7. Posted By: krampa
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 6:54 pm 

    If 2009 Maclaren was quicker than 2009 Red Bull and 2010 Maclaren and Red Bull cars are quicker than the 2009 Red Bull car and 2010 Ferrari is a copy of 2009 Red Bull, then the 2010 Ferrari starts the first race fighting for at least 5th position. Sorry, the Ferrari’s must give way to Micheal and fight for the 6th position.

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    Brace Reply:

    Your mind is impressive.
    Your logic astounds me.
    Your knowledge is deep.

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    Jomy John Reply:

    hehehehe ;-)

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    Howard Hughes Reply:

    You mean at MOST 5th position I think, not at LEAST…

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  8.   8. Posted By: mooryboy
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 6:54 pm 

    james, there are pictures that look like what you have described here on f1.com. heres the link http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/

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  9.   9. Posted By: Woffin
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 6:54 pm 

    Are you able to make a photocopy of the said diagram for us to see? Actually, on second thoughts, maybe not. I remember what happened the last time someone photocopied diagrams of Ferrari F1 cars…

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  10.   10. Posted By: Checkers
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 7:26 pm 

    Any chance of a pic of that drawing ? It’s probably copyrighted but thought i’d ask. Thanks.

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  11.   11. Posted By: Eric
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 7:39 pm 

    You’ve got to wonder that if everyone is chasing a red bull-esque design for this year, where Red Bull will be…

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    James Allen Reply:

    Quite..

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    Ted the Mechanic Reply:

    Adrian Newey doesn’t always get it right. He won’t want to stray too far from a winning design either will he?

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    Davexxx Reply:

    The Speed TV channel in USA coverage of Spain race gave a glimpse at a futuristic F1 car built by Red Bull (and Newey no doubt), should design requirements change (eg covered wheels) – and I have to say it looked fantastic! Take a look…
    http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/auto-news/red-bull-x1-racer-witnessing-evolution-f1-cars-23057/


  12.   12. Posted By: TinyJim
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 7:51 pm 

    Hi James

    What do you make of the new unconfirmed reports of the signing of the young Nyck De Vries to Ferrari Young Driver Program. I am not sure if you remember I mentioned him in one of your posts http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/bianchi-signs-long-term-ferrari-contract/ comment #4 :) :) Always like to think I am ahead of the curve :)

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  13.   13. Posted By: Tim Horton
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 7:56 pm 

    Any links to the Gazzetta Sportiva article James? Great website by the way, it has become a staple of my off season reading.

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  14.   14. Posted By: F1ART
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 8:28 pm 

    Hope Mclaren arn’t caught with a copyshop copy of Gazzetta Sportiva in the design office next week.
    Could end up being the most expensive newspaper ever!

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    Brace Reply:

    lol :)
    as long as they don’t send someone’s wife to make some copies :)

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  15.   15. Posted By: ElChiva
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 8:35 pm 

    About USF1

    no factory, no car, no drivers, no joy…

    Montmelo might come to pass and we’ll wait on…

    Blame it on Mosley [mod] and his happy trigger allocation of new F1 entries without proper financial backup checks on the new teams…

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    Cabby Reply:

    This should have been moderated, I think..

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    darren Reply:

    i think free speech is the winner here. Cabby get over it , who does it offend ???

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    Lola Reply:

    I do not think so.

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  16.   16. Posted By: Mike from Medellin, Colombia
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 8:55 pm 

    James, a question for you on brakes.

    Last year I heard that the teams were complaining about the regulations on brakes for 2010.

    Are thicker brakes being allowed to compensate for increased weight?

    Many thanks

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    Fil Reply:

    if my memory serves me correct, Williams blocked this from happening.

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  17.   17. Posted By: rpaco
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 8:58 pm 

    James, from your statements re the wheel covers and the narrower tyres I assumed that the tech regs have been up-issued, however there is no sign of this on the FIA website, the 24th July version remaining current.

    The wheel sizes remain unaltered from 2009 and the loopholes through which wheel covers, aero mirror supports and double diffusers, fall, still remain.

    The “Stable” Sporting regs of 24 July have been deleted from the FIA site, perhaps having been prematurely named. Another issue has appeared, dated 11/12/09 superseding the “stable” one, but now including the revised points system.
    In the revised sporting regs tyre warmers are now allowed but only to act upon the outer tyre surface. Tyre testing – Teams are only allowed to measure the vertical movement, rolling resistance and aero drag and not the coefficient of static friction on which the grip depends.
    Tyre specs for 2010 had to be fixed by 1st Sept last year.

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  18.   18. Posted By: Simon
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 9:02 pm 

    The USF1 story sounds like huge news – if they’re admitting that they’re going to miss the first Grand Prix then it sounds like things are going very badly wrong!

    I’m looking forward to learning the truth about this – I hope you’ll let us know as soon as you learn something tomorrow!

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  19.   19. Posted By: Irish conor
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 9:07 pm 

    James I’m a Ferrari fan and I’m feeling fairly confident heading into next season because of a number or reasons. Number 1 is when do we have 2 bad seasons in a row and we now have the best all rounder in the game despite schumi coming back. I have two reservations though and would like to no ur thoughts on both. Firstly last years Ferrari engine was quite thirsty and I’m worried that will cause a problem next year. And secondly with Q3 being run on fumes next year( if I’m not mistaken) which the ferraris of previous years didn’t like because they had problems generating sufficent front tyre temperaure will cause them to start the race towards the back of q3 which will mess there races up stractical wise. What is ur opininon on this

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    Med Reply:

    It’s going to be an interesting season for Ferrari this year; 2007/08 were iterations of previous years’ designs, but 2009 was the first major re-design for some years without Brawn at the helm, if they produce another dog this year, it can’t be blamed on having less development time and it’ll be time to start asking questions

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  20.   20. Posted By: Peter G
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 9:10 pm 

    James,
    got a link to the Italian Newspaper and the FERRARI article ?
    Thank you .

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    James Allen Reply:

    No, it’s only in the paper

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    Mesut Reply:

    english translation from Italian Newspaper and about the FERRARI article

    http://ferrarif1forum.com/2010/01/11/ferrari-f2010-f1-final-preview-english-translation-and-launch-details/

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    Peter G Reply:

    Mesut,

    Many thanks. That site also runs RSS feeds. Very interesting. All the best…

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  21.   21. Posted By: Sven
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 9:19 pm 

    With the cars already looking stupid with skinny tyres, narrow track and far longer wheelbase than ever before we now get even longer wheelbase
    perhaps up to 330 cm compared to around 280 cm in the eighties when the cars where wider as well plus big tyres. Does not anyone who makes the rules have any sense of proportions.

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    David Reply:

    The tyres aren’t skinny. They’re the same size as they were in 1997 (and before then, obviously) now. Would prefer a wider track like they had originally proposed for 09, though.

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    Med Reply:

    I wish they could just incorporate the safety features of modern cars into 80s style cars and do some proper racing

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  22.   22. Posted By: rpaco
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 9:25 pm 

    I am not at all convinced that Ferrari would show their actual design to a journalist, surely they would want to keep it a secret as long as possible. However it would be an irresistible opportunity to plant some disinformation to mislead other teams. I would add all sorts of random bits before showing a journalist.

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  23.   23. Posted By: asc123
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 9:50 pm 

    here is original article:
    http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8039/ferrari2010b.jpg

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    Pierre Reply:

    thanks.

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  24.   24. Posted By: F1ART
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 10:17 pm 

    STOP PRESS!!!
    Nigel Stepney Has been found to have a new job at Gazzetta dello Sport!

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  25.   25. Posted By: Sue
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 10:22 pm 

    Hello

    I have a pic with this pages, but I don´t want to do any illegality. If James authorise me I put the link.

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  26.   26. Posted By: dstaisey
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 10:26 pm 

    Part of the news for USF1 is wrong. Everything is booked for fly away races and USF1 will be there.

    They will put soon correction on their web page.

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  27.   27. Posted By: Lee Grant
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 10:31 pm 

    Not great news on USF1 is it.

    I look forward to reading your update on it James when the PR desk is open.

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  28.   28. Posted By: Marc
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 10:57 pm 

    I started watching F1 around 99/00 and ended up a Ferrari/Schumacher fan. When Schumacher left I stayed with Ferrari and fully expected to be supporting Schumacher’ old rival Alonso this season (although I do like Massa as well).

    Despite my love of Ferrari it seems I’m a Schumacher fan at heart and am looking forward to seeing Schumacher turning the timing screens purple once again when the pole seems out of reach.

    Bring on F1 2010!

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    Jomy John Reply:

    Same here buddy… Im shiftin base to Mercedes! I wonder who is gonna outshine fan-wise come Melbourne. It would be awfully embarrassing for Ferrari if the crowd come dressed black than red ;)

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    Raz Reply:

    Same here Mate, i’m going to Bahrain in Schumi/Merc Colours.. i’ve been watching the Schumaster since 1995.. moved with him from Benneton to Ferrari, then stayed at Ferrari until the Ultimate announcement.

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  29.   29. Posted By: Jason
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 10:57 pm 

    Now Autosport is reporting that US F1 will be ready for Bahrain. Why is US F1 shrouded in such secrecy and uncertainty? I’m not sure what to believe about them anymore.

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    grat Reply:

    Because publications like Auto Motor und Sport and Gazzetta Sportivo keep making stuff up?

    USF1 hasn’t really been that secretive. I know more about what their car looks like than I do for pretty much any other team except McLaren, Lotus, and possibly Ferrari, if this article is correct.

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  30.   30. Posted By: Martin P
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 11:14 pm 

    Hi James, I know it’s been a busier than expected off-season, but are you still planning to do a post about Williams?

    I’m fascinated to know what you think of their prospects with the Cosworth engine and Rubens working on car set-up. I’m even more intrigued to know if there’s half a chance of seeing Rubens mix it with Michael on track… there’s unfinished business there for one of them and plenty to prove to Ross too!

    Williams may not be the most glamourous story, but they’re always an interesting one!

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    James Allen Reply:

    Sure I am. I’ll be going up there before the season starts and will put something together when I know more how it’s looking

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    Med Reply:

    Looking forward to seeing it – Williams were the biggest disappointment of the decade for me; I don’t mean that in a derogatory way, I’m a Williams fan and it’s frustrating seeing them being there or thereabouts, but never making that final step.

    I had high hopes when they were with BMW and that didn’t really happen – 2003 being the ultimate disappointment since I was a big JPM fan, I thought they might pull off a surprise in 06 with Cosworth, but the only surprise was when they finished a race and they seemed to have great potential last season, but never really capitalised when they had the chance.

    Bad call in Oz in getting Nico to chase down Rubens and ruining his tyres, bad timing in Malaysia, Nico’s white line moment in Singapore, the fact that if they’d had a driver to match Nico’s points they’d have been fighting for 3rd in the Constructors’ – all hugely frustrating, head against the wall stuff, though if I feel that way as a fan, I’d hate to think how Frank and Patrick must feel.

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  31.   31. Posted By: PaulL
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 11:22 pm 

    More weight bias toward the rear.. I’m wondering what effect this will have on the behaviour of the car.

    A wild guess but would it be more to Alonso’s liking like the R25/R26? (albeit not on Michelin tyres)

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    Red Andy Reply:

    Weight bias will be a tricky one because the cars will be draining from maybe 780kg down to 620kg by the end of the race. So the centre of gravity will have to be around the fuel tanks, or the balance of the car will shift wildly as the race progresses.

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    PaulL Reply:

    Interesting.. sounds like a job for an adaptable driver with the changing weight distribution, surely that would have some effect on handling.

    You’d think that may suit Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton, and Vettel, but if last season is anything to go by Button could be really put out by such a thing. Keeping that smooth style sounds hard when the car’s handling is changing.

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    Ian Reply:

    “…new rules, the fuel tank is said to be double the size of last year’s at 240 litres” TWO HUNDRED AND FOURTY LITRES!! Blimey! – Two thoughts immediately spring to mind – as Paul (above) says, the changing weight distribution as the fuel is used is surely going to be immense! The other is safety – the fire risk in the event of a big ‘off’ in the early stages must be of concern?

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    Red Andy Reply:

    Fire from a ruptured fuel tank has not been a big problem in F1 for a long time. The last accident where a car’s fuel tank caught fire is, I think, Berger’s crash at Tamburello in 1989. After this accident the design of the fuel tank was changed from a solid structure into a puncture-proof bag. Since then an F1 fuel tank has not split, meaning the risk of fire – even in a car laden with 240+ litres of fuel – is still very low.


  32.   32. Posted By: Pablo Rossi
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 11:24 pm 

    Is it just me or does it seem that the 2010 regulations would have been suited to Kimi?!

    - Always good with race fuel on board
    - Longer wheelbase, just as in the 2007 Ferrari
    - Easy on his brakes
    - Higher weight allowance (Kimi being above ave)
    - Narrower front tyres and weight distribution geared rearwards. Meaning better for drivers who prefer slight oversteer (i.e. Kimi & Lewis) as opposed to those that prefer slight understeer (i.e. Massa)

    Should have accepted the Mclaren deal or at least Mercedes. Come on Kimi, come to your senses!!

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    David Reply:

    Dude, the 09 cars were very oversteery because of the forward weight distribution, and the fat fron t tyres. The ’10 regs will mean the cars won’t oversteer as much. This will benefit Massa more than Lewis.

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    David Reply:

    …assuming that Massa really prefers understeer, which I’d like to call BS on.

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    kristian Reply:

    Is it just me or does it seem that the 20xx regulations would have been suited to Kimi?

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    AndyB Reply:

    Doesnt narrower front tyres mean less front grip and therefore more understeer?

    Go Massa!

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    AndyB Reply:

    Oh but then the weight distribution thing. B**r!

    Go Alonso!

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    Kent Paul Reply:

    We hear this EVERY year.

    Is Bill Murray a Kimi fan?

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    Segedunum Reply:

    Pretty much. Raikkonen knew that McLaren would give him a car that would do what he wanted, as opposed to the Ferrari, he would still be very fast over one lap and be able to outlast Lewis on tyres. Raikkonen would have went to McLaren with his eyes wide open, which Button hasn’t. Pity. I’d have liked to see that. Kimi is done with corporate speak and fake corporate appearances though.

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    Silverstoned Reply:

    while I entirely agree i’d just like to ask those with superior engineering expertise: did not the extra length of the 2008 ferrari make it more difficult to warm the tyres, esp in the wet?

    remember it was difficult for Kimi [spa 2008] and impossible for Massa [silverstone 2008]

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  33.   33. Posted By: Bill
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 11:28 pm 

    I’m wondering if the Gazzetta article was a transcript of this lost in translation. In the F1.com interview, Peter states that they’ll miss the first 3 European tests (testing in the States instead) and then move to Spain (their Euro HQ) to finish testing prior to Bahrain. I wonder if that got mis-interpreted as missing the first 3 RACES before the Spanish GP (even though there are actually 4 before Spain).

    Quoted from F1.com: <>

    It could be new info that they are missing races, but that F1.com interview was from 8-January. Peter seems like enough of a straight shooter that he’d at least hesitate/equivocate on Bahrain if at this point missing 4 races was their option.

    Just my .02

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    Bill Reply:

    for some reason the quotes didn’t make it in. Here they are, again.

    From F1.com, http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2010/1/10320.html

    “Q: There have been suggestions that the team won’t make it on to the Bahrain grid. What is your reply to those rumours?
    PW: The thought is ludicrous. I can’t say any more than that we will definitely be on the Bahrain grid.

    Q: Most of the teams will be present at the first test at the beginning of February in Valencia, with the exception of some of the newcomers. When and where will you hit the track for the first time?
    PW: The first thing that needs to be said is that if this was 2011 and we were an existing team we would be at the first test. But because we are a new team and started from nothing, the first time we will run the car will be in the United States at the Barber Motorsport Park in Alabama. This is the circuit that was nominated by the FIA for us. We’ve got this dispensation from the FIA, which is fantastic, because we are not based in Europe. We are the only team that has a test circuit outside Europe, so it is totally logic for us to run the car for the first time in the US at the beginning of February. We are allowed three sessions in the US. Then we will ship it to Spain to do some testing there before we fly out to Bahrain. “

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    James Allen Reply:

    Yes I agree it seems odd in light of what he has said recently. I’m going to find out tomorrow

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    Bill Reply:

    James – were you able to find anything out? I know Peter W has been public today but I didn’t know if you figured out where Gazzetta came up with their story? Any truths there?

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  34.   34. Posted By: kristian
        Date: January 10th, 2010 @ 11:33 pm 

    Hello Stefan GP? No kidding he might just make a mint off leasing the Toyota F1 operation. Awesome quote from the Stefan GP job section, “Slightly advantage if you are ex Toyota F1!”

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    Radovan Reply:

    Yes, I offered him to edit his website in proper English. Hopefully, an ex-Toyota F1 hasn’t applied for the same position!

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        Date: January 11th, 2010 @ 1:11 am 

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  36.   36. Posted By: Malcolm46
        Date: January 11th, 2010 @ 1:24 am 

    Regarding USF1, just seen this on their website;

    http://www.usgpe.com/news/two-days-to-build-two-milliseconds-to-destroy.html

    They doing something at least, hope they do make it, always found when reading F1 Racing magazine that Peter Windsor spoke sense so I’m sure he knows what he’s doing….

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  37.   37. Posted By: Tim Horton
        Date: January 11th, 2010 @ 3:09 am 

    Having seen the article in question now, thanks to a asc123, Im a bit worried about the size of the fuel cell. If we have a really big accident where a car is torn in two, there looks to be a good chance it could rupture. It is literally half the size of the car.

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        Date: January 11th, 2010 @ 4:01 am 

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  39.   39. Posted By: Olivier
        Date: January 11th, 2010 @ 10:54 am 

    I don’t really understand … despite their unlimited resources they come up with a copycat? Newey must feel flattered though.

    Bring on the budget cap! True innovations are the result from restrictions.

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  40.   40. Posted By: Pierre
        Date: January 11th, 2010 @ 11:06 am 

    To my point of view, the main information of this article, if it is accurate, is that the Ferrari engine needs 240 liters to do a bit more than 300 kms! Looks a lot to me. As last year pistops suggested it, the Ferrari engine is thirsty, and that’s gonna be a disadvantage…
    James?
    Any idea of the Mercedes and the Renault (Red Bull) tanks? Renault has always built low fuel consuption engines, probably the bests ever. And the mercedes is surely great too… Hard time for Alonso and Massa?

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    James Allen Reply:

    Not yet!

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  41.   41. Posted By: Hugh
        Date: January 11th, 2010 @ 11:34 am 

    I remember this time last year when all the journos were saying how agressive and fast the new McLaren looked.

    Just shows there’s no way you can tell how fast a car is by looking at it. There’s millions of dollars worth of CFD poured into it. The naked eye can’t work out how fast a car is if it takes some of the world’s most powerful computers to work it out.

    If anyone tells you that a certain car looks fast just ignore them. They can’t tell.

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  42.   42. Posted By: lip_iceman
        Date: January 11th, 2010 @ 11:36 am 

    longer wheelbases are generally going to be gentler on the tyres so the logic is obvious. I’m just interested if you can’t get the same effect with suspension setup so it’s a variable. That, instead of the fixed case, where you have to drive a long car around tracks like Monaco (which is a disaster).

    I think this year will be positive from a spectator’s point of view: there’ll be more on-track overtakes because tyres will be at different levels. Last year we saw cars on similar tyres with different fuel loads dicing, but very little overtaking because grip levels were the same. Different fuel loads will change acceleration/decceleration, but different grip levels will change acceleration/decceleration _and_ cornering speed. Welcome back to some driver skill.

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  43.   43. Posted By: Paul
        Date: January 11th, 2010 @ 11:51 am 

    I remember Ferrari using ‘strong echos’ of the previous years Newey designed cars in 95 and 97.

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  44.   44. Posted By: Pawel
        Date: January 11th, 2010 @ 12:35 pm 

    I wonder how Red Bull car will look like! And it interesting to me to what extend an aerodynamics efficiency can offset an engine-fuel-consumption. Red-Bull will be equipped with Renault engines (quite low fuel-consumption) while Ferrari engines were not really fuel saving. We will see.

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  45.   45. Posted By: Peter Freeman
        Date: January 11th, 2010 @ 4:56 pm 

    I have a friend that once worked with someone currently key in Ferrari in F1, he is now retired but is still in contact. Apparently they have not got it right this year; worse than last year! The problem is that they have ignored Rory Burns advice for the second year running and Montezemelo is furious! Among other things I was told, the center of gravity it too high…

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    Nick Reply:

    Do I smell a troll?

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    Peter Freeman Reply:

    Insult is the natural response in the absence of an intelligent reply.

    My friend is a retired mechanical engineer who worked in F1 and is an avid Ferrari fan. Naturally he keeps in touch with his old friends and colleagues, especially those at his favorite team!

    This is the report, insult me if you wish!

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  46.   46. Posted By: Peter Freeman
        Date: January 12th, 2010 @ 7:05 am 

    Insult is the natural response in the absence of and intelligent reply.

    My friend is a retired mechanical engineer who worked in F1 and is an avid Ferrari fan. Naturally he keeps in contact with his F1 connections. This is the report, insult me if you like!

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  47.   47. Posted By: Red Bull keeps the F1 world waiting « Scott Joslin on F1
        Date: January 12th, 2010 @ 6:31 pm 

    [...] Red Bull where one of the last few teams to launch their car last year and when they did it came with widespread acknowledgement that Adrian Newey and his team had brought along some interesting design details, many of which the rest of the F1 teams seemed to acknowledge as superior to their own.  Detail like the high raised nose and pull-rod rear suspension car the RB5 is thought to have been the best overall design in 2009 despite the Brawn getting a 6 race advantage with the double defuser, and many teams are expected to replicate some of the RB5 designs in to their 2010 cars.  Already there is gossip about Ferrari having a car that looks very similar, as reported in James Allens F1 Blog. [...]


  48.   48. Posted By: Nick
        Date: January 12th, 2010 @ 6:40 pm 

    Appologies I just don’t see how they can know things like that before running the car. I know there is simulation etc but if they could tell that at the design stage via simulation would they not avoid that design…?

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    Peter Freeman Reply:

    Apologies accepted and offed for an overly harsh response. Design is a process and takes months, hence Brawn commencing the 09 car at the beginning of 08. If the design is flawed it may not be rectifiable at all. Apparently Burn is of the opinion that the ’10 car has the incorrect center of gravity, ie its flawed. Burn holds this opinion regardless of unknown testing results, based on his knowledge and experience of design. Maybe they can fix it in time, we will see in testing and early season results.

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  49.   49. Posted By: Mark
        Date: January 13th, 2010 @ 2:55 pm 

    James,

    What do you make of the rumors in the German press that the F2010 is lacking in aero efficiently?

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    James Allen Reply:

    Hope not for their sake!

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