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> <channel><title>Comments on: Briatore wins big against FIA, as Renault confirms Boullier</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/</link> <description>Formula 1 / F1</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:52:02 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Martin Collyer</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/comment-page-1/#comment-42487</link> <dc:creator>Martin Collyer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:24:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4744#comment-42487</guid> <description>Thanks Harvey, I remember the fuel filter row, who could forget the fire?It reinforces my views about what has gone on with regard to FIA/Briatore, especially Dominic Carman&#039;s description of his Father&#039;s view of &quot;...bodies such as the FIA...disciplinary hearings and acting as a quasi-court...were pretty poor compared to a normal court...&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Harvey, I remember the fuel filter row, who could forget the fire?</p><p>It reinforces my views about what has gone on with regard to FIA/Briatore, especially Dominic Carman&#8217;s description of his Father&#8217;s view of &#8220;&#8230;bodies such as the FIA&#8230;disciplinary hearings and acting as a quasi-court&#8230;were pretty poor compared to a normal court&#8230;&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Harvey Yates</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/comment-page-1/#comment-42341</link> <dc:creator>Harvey Yates</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:35:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4744#comment-42341</guid> <description>Martin,A Google search for George Carter Mosley provides a number of authorative sources but one I like is on the Autsport site.If James allows a bit of linking:http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=57753Well worth a read.It says a lot about Carman but it says so much more about Mosley.The other links are interesting as well. I used to run an F1 website fanzine and when I ran the story, with some comments of my own, it generated my biggest mailbox.I supppose we were all &#039;concerned&#039; about the FIA&#039;s decision in the matter but the actual facts went further than I would have dreamed.Enjoy.Derek</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p><p>A Google search for George Carter Mosley provides a number of authorative sources but one I like is on the Autsport site.</p><p>If James allows a bit of linking:</p><p><a
href="http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=57753" rel="nofollow">http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=57753</a></p><p>Well worth a read.</p><p>It says a lot about Carman but it says so much more about Mosley.</p><p>The other links are interesting as well. I used to run an F1 website fanzine and when I ran the story, with some comments of my own, it generated my biggest mailbox.</p><p>I supppose we were all &#8216;concerned&#8217; about the FIA&#8217;s decision in the matter but the actual facts went further than I would have dreamed.</p><p>Enjoy.</p><p>Derek</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alex</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/comment-page-1/#comment-42322</link> <dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:31:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4744#comment-42322</guid> <description>What a big mess! I&#039;m not surprised Kimi has had enough of F1 and all the politivs and in-fighting. It seems that over the last year or so the majority of coverage on F1 has been on who&#039;s been cheating, when the teams are splitting and forming their own series and a lot of finger pointing! I can&#039;t wait until we can start talking about testing and.....RACING!I personally think that Flavio still has that cloud hanging over him and many teams will be reluctant to employ him (hardly the person sponsors want to be involved with!)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a big mess! I&#8217;m not surprised Kimi has had enough of F1 and all the politivs and in-fighting. It seems that over the last year or so the majority of coverage on F1 has been on who&#8217;s been cheating, when the teams are splitting and forming their own series and a lot of finger pointing! I can&#8217;t wait until we can start talking about testing and&#8230;..RACING!</p><p>I personally think that Flavio still has that cloud hanging over him and many teams will be reluctant to employ him (hardly the person sponsors want to be involved with!)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rob Silver</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/comment-page-1/#comment-42299</link> <dc:creator>Rob Silver</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:19:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4744#comment-42299</guid> <description>Quite simply because that happens to be the venue for the appeal every time a news story hits someone rich or powerful. It&#039;s more than coincidence when you look at the burden of proof and the tremendous bias towards private individuals over the ideal of &quot;the public good&quot; in the French courts.Either way, the main issue is that Briatore needs to be punished for what he did, along with Piquet for being such a dolt. To a lesser extent, Pat Symonds should also face actual punishment, even though it&#039;s likely he was as much a scapegoat than a guilty party.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite simply because that happens to be the venue for the appeal every time a news story hits someone rich or powerful. It&#8217;s more than coincidence when you look at the burden of proof and the tremendous bias towards private individuals over the ideal of &#8220;the public good&#8221; in the French courts.</p><p>Either way, the main issue is that Briatore needs to be punished for what he did, along with Piquet for being such a dolt. To a lesser extent, Pat Symonds should also face actual punishment, even though it&#8217;s likely he was as much a scapegoat than a guilty party.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Martin Collyer</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/comment-page-1/#comment-42295</link> <dc:creator>Martin Collyer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:05:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4744#comment-42295</guid> <description>&quot;Only in France...&quot;How do you know that Rob?The travesty is the cack-handed way that the FIA handled this whole affair.I agree with you that Briatore should stay away.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Only in France&#8230;&#8221;</p><p>How do you know that Rob?</p><p>The travesty is the cack-handed way that the FIA handled this whole affair.</p><p>I agree with you that Briatore should stay away.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Martin Collyer</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/comment-page-1/#comment-42291</link> <dc:creator>Martin Collyer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:51:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4744#comment-42291</guid> <description>&quot;...the comments of Carman on his deathbed...&quot;What were the comments Harvey, this sounds fascinating.  Please share with us what you know.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the comments of Carman on his deathbed&#8230;&#8221;</p><p>What were the comments Harvey, this sounds fascinating.  Please share with us what you know.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave Brent</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/comment-page-1/#comment-42212</link> <dc:creator>Dave Brent</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:07:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4744#comment-42212</guid> <description>Jacques Villeneuve did not do well with Renault in 2004 as it&#039;s explained here. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Jacques_Villeneuve#2004:_RenaultI think he is great, but I think few people in F1 agree with me. I don&#039;t think Briatore is one of them.It&#039;s a shame since F1 have a lot of less competent drivers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacques Villeneuve did not do well with Renault in 2004 as it&#8217;s explained here. <a
href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Jacques_Villeneuve#2004:_Renault" rel="nofollow">https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Jacques_Villeneuve#2004:_Renault</a></p><p>I think he is great, but I think few people in F1 agree with me. I don&#8217;t think Briatore is one of them.</p><p>It&#8217;s a shame since F1 have a lot of less competent drivers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Harvey Yates</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/comment-page-1/#comment-42180</link> <dc:creator>Harvey Yates</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:00:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4744#comment-42180</guid> <description>Rpaco,My understanding is that the court found there were major procedureal irregularities. In layman&#039;s terms this means that it was nor run correctly.Further, there was no trial as such so Briatore could not defend himself. He was not charged. Renault F1 were and they did not contest it. After all, Mosley stated in a press conference less than a fornight after the investigation started: &#039;[this is] very big if, they [Renault] are guilty, obviously it is very serious indeed.&#039;Mosley then went on to have a dig at McLaren over Stepneygate saying that they: &#039;did not tell the truth, so that went against them. But on the other hand, what is alleged to have been done here, is probably more serious.&#039;Firstly, of course, this apparently goes against what he said when he prostrated himself in front of Ron Dennis after Stepneygate. Also McLaren denied all along that they lied and this was never proved.Many people might take Mosley&#039;s comments as a threat to Renault F1. Accept it or else sort of thing.In the end it would appear that, despite what was alleged being &#039;more serious&#039; than what happened with Stepney, Renault were hardly punished at all.Jut to clarify, I am not defending Briatore. However, if his punishment was not according to procedures, the FIA&#039;s own or what is acceptable generally, then it is improper. One wrong does not justify another.I would not expect Briatore to return to F1. Let&#039;s face it, he has retired once before and was coaxed back by Renault. This is not likely to happen again.The important question is what the FIA will do. They&#039;ve come out of this with more than egg on their face. Todt could, quite properly, pass this off as an error of Mosley&#039;s time. Nothing to do with his new regime. I&#039;d buy that.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rpaco,</p><p>My understanding is that the court found there were major procedureal irregularities. In layman&#8217;s terms this means that it was nor run correctly.</p><p>Further, there was no trial as such so Briatore could not defend himself. He was not charged. Renault F1 were and they did not contest it. After all, Mosley stated in a press conference less than a fornight after the investigation started: &#8216;[this is] very big if, they [Renault] are guilty, obviously it is very serious indeed.&#8217;</p><p>Mosley then went on to have a dig at McLaren over Stepneygate saying that they: &#8216;did not tell the truth, so that went against them. But on the other hand, what is alleged to have been done here, is probably more serious.&#8217;</p><p>Firstly, of course, this apparently goes against what he said when he prostrated himself in front of Ron Dennis after Stepneygate. Also McLaren denied all along that they lied and this was never proved.</p><p>Many people might take Mosley&#8217;s comments as a threat to Renault F1. Accept it or else sort of thing.</p><p>In the end it would appear that, despite what was alleged being &#8216;more serious&#8217; than what happened with Stepney, Renault were hardly punished at all.</p><p>Jut to clarify, I am not defending Briatore. However, if his punishment was not according to procedures, the FIA&#8217;s own or what is acceptable generally, then it is improper. One wrong does not justify another.</p><p>I would not expect Briatore to return to F1. Let&#8217;s face it, he has retired once before and was coaxed back by Renault. This is not likely to happen again.</p><p>The important question is what the FIA will do. They&#8217;ve come out of this with more than egg on their face. Todt could, quite properly, pass this off as an error of Mosley&#8217;s time. Nothing to do with his new regime. I&#8217;d buy that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: James Allen</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/comment-page-1/#comment-42171</link> <dc:creator>James Allen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:25:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4744#comment-42171</guid> <description>I think that is fair</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that is fair</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jimchik</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/briatore-wins-big-against-fia-as-renault-confirms-boullier/comment-page-1/#comment-42167</link> <dc:creator>Jimchik</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:17:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4744#comment-42167</guid> <description>What I think is the greater point, and one to which I didn&#039;t see any postings is the amount of the settlement awarded to FB and PS... a pittance compared to the numbers that are normally toyed with in F1. I think it&#039;s the judge saying &quot;alright, yes things were mis-handled by the FIA, but you&#039;re no angels, either&quot;.Yes? No?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think is the greater point, and one to which I didn&#8217;t see any postings is the amount of the settlement awarded to FB and PS&#8230; a pittance compared to the numbers that are normally toyed with in F1. I think it&#8217;s the judge saying &#8220;alright, yes things were mis-handled by the FIA, but you&#8217;re no angels, either&#8221;.</p><p>Yes? No?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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