Comments on: F1 in the Future – Materials and Safety http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/f1-in-the-future-materials-and-safety/ Formula 1 / F1 Sun, 12 Feb 2012 09:07:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ohmhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/f1-in-the-future-materials-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-41067 Ohm Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:27:04 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4701#comment-41067 Ahh I see. I think the solution is then to not prevent accidents but reduce the severtiy of injuries? Ahh I see. I think the solution is then to not prevent accidents but reduce the severtiy of injuries?

]]> By: Grahamhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/f1-in-the-future-materials-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-40909 Graham Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:59:57 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4701#comment-40909 Obviously discussing this concept with some of you is impossible.Yes, the driver is 80% of the equation - have it your way. The facts however, show it to be otherwise. Running the figures posted by "krad," it seems my 2% is pretty accurate after all.... Obviously discussing this concept with some of you is impossible.

Yes, the driver is 80% of the equation – have it your way. The facts however, show it to be otherwise. Running the figures posted by “krad,” it seems my 2% is pretty accurate after all….

]]> By: kradhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/f1-in-the-future-materials-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-40845 krad Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:36:18 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4701#comment-40845 hang onkimi best race lap from spa1:47.674badoers1:49.803that looks about 2% to me!! hang on

kimi best race lap from spa

1:47.674

badoers

1:49.803

that looks about 2% to me!!

]]> By: Trenthttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/f1-in-the-future-materials-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-40841 Trent Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:50:12 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4701#comment-40841 I agree with the above - if F1 changes itself too much in order to satisfy the whims of the modern consumer, it will alienate the more engaged,long-term fans. That's a shortsighted strategy, and a perilous one. I agree with the above – if F1 changes itself too much in order to satisfy the whims of the modern consumer, it will alienate the more engaged,long-term fans. That’s a shortsighted strategy, and a perilous one.

]]> By: Trenthttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/f1-in-the-future-materials-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-40840 Trent Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:46:03 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4701#comment-40840 No I think you're missing my point. It's not necessarily the accidents themselves that make the entertainment, but the risk of one happening. Would Senna vs Mansell down the straight in Barcelona in '91 have had any excitement value if the you knew the cars would automatically repel each other if they got too close?You say F1 drivers don't know fear - but you only say that because there is something to fear at the moment. What if an accident was impossible; could you still claim they are fearless?If James' description of the future F1 is accurate, the word 'BRAVE' will become irrelevant to describe F1 drivers. For me, that is the tragedy. No I think you’re missing my point. It’s not necessarily the accidents themselves that make the entertainment, but the risk of one happening. Would Senna vs Mansell down the straight in Barcelona in ’91 have had any excitement value if the you knew the cars would automatically repel each other if they got too close?

You say F1 drivers don’t know fear – but you only say that because there is something to fear at the moment. What if an accident was impossible; could you still claim they are fearless?

If James’ description of the future F1 is accurate, the word ‘BRAVE’ will become irrelevant to describe F1 drivers. For me, that is the tragedy.

]]> By: Trenthttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/f1-in-the-future-materials-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-40838 Trent Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:39:26 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4701#comment-40838 Fair comment; my point was that in a range of sports risk still exists but you're quite right to point out that equestrian is actually highly dangerous. F1 should strive to be safer than that, for sure. Fair comment; my point was that in a range of sports risk still exists but you’re quite right to point out that equestrian is actually highly dangerous. F1 should strive to be safer than that, for sure.

]]> By: Ted the Mechanichttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/f1-in-the-future-materials-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-40835 Ted the Mechanic Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:25:07 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4701#comment-40835 You made me stop and think about how we got so focused on this path of "relevance" and I suddenly realised this is all down to Max Mosley......and HIS vision for the future of Formula 1.While his tenure at the top of the FIA came to a somewhat ignominious (if a little drawn out) end, his autocratic, forward-thinking ideas and ideals (of the automotive variety anyway) did find favour and acceptance with a large majority of the motoring public.The investment of FIA money (mostly earned from F1 fees and fines) in road safety research and awareness campaigns would be difficult to argue against. And Jean Todt has a particular interest in continuing with this it seems.But when it comes to future relevance and F1 being an accelerated incubator for road car research perhaps now that Mosley has been whipped out the back door we might see a change in direction or emphasis in the FIA's rule-making.Certainly it seems the Team's inputs into the F1 Technical Working Group/s will carry more weight after the FOTA threats.It would be interesting to know what Bernie Ecclestone thinks about the whole "relevance" track we are/were? heading down. I can't recall much comment from him on the subject but stand to be corrected. You made me stop and think about how we got so focused on this path of “relevance” and I suddenly realised this is all down to Max Mosley…

…and HIS vision for the future of Formula 1.

While his tenure at the top of the FIA came to a somewhat ignominious (if a little drawn out) end, his autocratic, forward-thinking ideas and ideals (of the automotive variety anyway) did find favour and acceptance with a large majority of the motoring public.

The investment of FIA money (mostly earned from F1 fees and fines) in road safety research and awareness campaigns would be difficult to argue against. And Jean Todt has a particular interest in continuing with this it seems.

But when it comes to future relevance and F1 being an accelerated incubator for road car research perhaps now that Mosley has been whipped out the back door we might see a change in direction or emphasis in the FIA’s rule-making.

Certainly it seems the Team’s inputs into the F1 Technical Working Group/s will carry more weight after the FOTA threats.

It would be interesting to know what Bernie Ecclestone thinks about the whole “relevance” track we are/were? heading down. I can’t recall much comment from him on the subject but stand to be corrected.

]]> By: Neilhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/f1-in-the-future-materials-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-40806 Neil Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:53:18 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4701#comment-40806 But there is a minimum weight to race. Lighter cars just means more ballast.Neil. But there is a minimum weight to race. Lighter cars just means more ballast.

Neil.

]]> By: Grahamhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/f1-in-the-future-materials-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-40798 Graham Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:54:57 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4701#comment-40798 Unfortunately, you are confusing familiarity with performance - they are different.While my "98%" figure may be pulled out of thin air, the point is that the care has always made up a very lager portion of the equation, and these days ever more so to the point of tedium.I fly helicopters for a living in a very difficult environment, and there are a great many factors that separate the good from the great, dealing with fear is one of them - this has become absent in F1. Unfortunately, you are confusing familiarity with performance – they are different.

While my “98%” figure may be pulled out of thin air, the point is that the care has always made up a very lager portion of the equation, and these days ever more so to the point of tedium.

I fly helicopters for a living in a very difficult environment, and there are a great many factors that separate the good from the great, dealing with fear is one of them – this has become absent in F1.

]]> By: Olivierhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/12/f1-in-the-future-materials-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-40792 Olivier Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:04:43 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=4701#comment-40792 Are these fibre filled plastics re-cyclable? F1 should push the principles from cradle to cradle design and focus on developing a technical nutrient together with the great chemical companies.Slashing the fuel consumption with super lightweight materials that cannot be re-cycled sounds like a cheat. However, they could restrict its use to the monocoque only. Are these fibre filled plastics re-cyclable? F1 should push the principles from cradle to cradle design and focus on developing a technical nutrient together with the great chemical companies.

Slashing the fuel consumption with super lightweight materials that cannot be re-cycled sounds like a cheat. However, they could restrict its use to the monocoque only.

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