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> <channel><title>Comments on: Vatanen goes on the offensive in final push for FIA presidency</title> <atom:link href="http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/</link> <description>Formula 1 / F1</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:27:49 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-25493</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:53:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3968#comment-25493</guid> <description>I don&#039;t in the least want to comment on his record, only the ability of Team Bernie (with Mosley as President) to consistently bring in more power and persuade more and more people to let them do what they want.  In this respect and his longevity in his position he is masterful.  Compare him to real politicians and he stands the test of time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t in the least want to comment on his record, only the ability of Team Bernie (with Mosley as President) to consistently bring in more power and persuade more and more people to let them do what they want.  In this respect and his longevity in his position he is masterful.  Compare him to real politicians and he stands the test of time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Peter Jones</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-25469</link> <dc:creator>Peter Jones</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:27:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3968#comment-25469</guid> <description>James,
what&#039;s the feeling in the paddock on who people would like to see succeed Max. We know who Patrick Head&#039;s not for...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br
/> what&#8217;s the feeling in the paddock on who people would like to see succeed Max. We know who Patrick Head&#8217;s not for&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brace</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-25443</link> <dc:creator>Brace</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:44:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3968#comment-25443</guid> <description>Haha, didn&#039;t know that one. That speaks volumes. :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, didn&#8217;t know that one. That speaks volumes. <img
src='http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brace</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-25440</link> <dc:creator>Brace</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:33:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3968#comment-25440</guid> <description>I kinda have doubts that one man will be enough. One can be persuaded and bribed. If there are more of them they would be reluctant to mess up with anything because they don&#039;t know how much the other one knows. This &quot;huissier de justice, a French legal observer&quot; just might be someone whom Mosley made sure is there.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda have doubts that one man will be enough. One can be persuaded and bribed. If there are more of them they would be reluctant to mess up with anything because they don&#8217;t know how much the other one knows. This &#8220;huissier de justice, a French legal observer&#8221; just might be someone whom Mosley made sure is there.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Harveyeight</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-25439</link> <dc:creator>Harveyeight</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:26:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3968#comment-25439</guid> <description>I&#039;m not sure with which meaning you use the term political. If you mean in the manner in which he gained and has kept himself in power then I would suggest political lacks precision.From the reports which were current immediately after the initial vote in 91, Ecclestone was largely credited with getting him voted into office.Max, bless him, has control of the rules. It doesn&#039;t take a great deal of political cunning for such a person to remain in power.As for the exercise of his authority, which is another meaning of politics, I would suggest that a review of the current state of the WRC, WTC and WSC would tend to negate the word &#039;best&#039; in relation to his performance. When one compares the WRC as it is now with how it was when he took over, there is another word that springs to mind: disasterous.Mosley, for all his use of the word democracy, is hardly remains in position through the inspired used of political nous. The voting system is heavily weighted in favour of the incumbent - the change being instigated by MRM - so the only way one could oust him would be in response to a particular incident, such as actions on his behalf that bring the sport into disrepute. But even then, with the system of voting the weight of which the FIA struggles under, Mosley, whilst not getting the overwhelming majority normally required of a vote of confidence, did succeed in obtaining a majority of the few voting members. This despite the criticisms of him from the major clubs around the world.One chap boasted after the vote that he had had control over a third of the vote.Whilst Mosely has been touted as having this razor sharp brain, his performance outside the protected walls of the FIA presidency has not been especially convincing. The way, according to Carman QC, the Verstappen fire was dealt with, the launch control, the traction control, the use of confidential McLaren data in the Renault team, the farce of the Stepneygate enquiry, the Indy fiasco and so many more would tend in my mind at least, to indicate that he is no more a successful president of the FIA than he&#039;s been a success at anything else he has tried in his life.As Bernie&#039;s posh front man he was superb. But once the strings were cut it all fell apart.Mosley&#039;s clever use of his authority, the exercise of his political power in other words, has given us processional racing, the desert of the Ferrari dominated years, the escalation in costs, the exit of manufacturers, the biggest threats to the sport&#039;s very existance and, under his control, scandal after scandal after scandal.He touts the improvement in safety under his control but even that is challengeable. I don&#039;t want to open old wounds but I would suggest that Ratzengerger&#039;s and Senna&#039;s deaths were not unavoidable.I would assume Mosley has a lot of charm. He certainly seems to get the journos on his side. But in coming to any conclusion as to his ability as president - a political postion - then one must examine his performance. What has he done with F1, WRC, WTC and WSC? F1 is in the worst state it has been in years.The ACO is a bunch of amateurs and infighting is the norm yet Le Mans manages to grab the public&#039;s attention. So can it be that hard?Mind you, I&#039;m with your second para 100%. But even here I&#039;d suggest there is a weakness. Ari knows politics for real. I would suggest that his best option will be to challenge the result through the courts. There might well be a lot of mileage with that tactic.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure with which meaning you use the term political. If you mean in the manner in which he gained and has kept himself in power then I would suggest political lacks precision.</p><p>From the reports which were current immediately after the initial vote in 91, Ecclestone was largely credited with getting him voted into office.</p><p>Max, bless him, has control of the rules. It doesn&#8217;t take a great deal of political cunning for such a person to remain in power.</p><p>As for the exercise of his authority, which is another meaning of politics, I would suggest that a review of the current state of the WRC, WTC and WSC would tend to negate the word &#8216;best&#8217; in relation to his performance. When one compares the WRC as it is now with how it was when he took over, there is another word that springs to mind: disasterous.</p><p>Mosley, for all his use of the word democracy, is hardly remains in position through the inspired used of political nous. The voting system is heavily weighted in favour of the incumbent &#8211; the change being instigated by MRM &#8211; so the only way one could oust him would be in response to a particular incident, such as actions on his behalf that bring the sport into disrepute. But even then, with the system of voting the weight of which the FIA struggles under, Mosley, whilst not getting the overwhelming majority normally required of a vote of confidence, did succeed in obtaining a majority of the few voting members. This despite the criticisms of him from the major clubs around the world.</p><p>One chap boasted after the vote that he had had control over a third of the vote.</p><p>Whilst Mosely has been touted as having this razor sharp brain, his performance outside the protected walls of the FIA presidency has not been especially convincing. The way, according to Carman QC, the Verstappen fire was dealt with, the launch control, the traction control, the use of confidential McLaren data in the Renault team, the farce of the Stepneygate enquiry, the Indy fiasco and so many more would tend in my mind at least, to indicate that he is no more a successful president of the FIA than he&#8217;s been a success at anything else he has tried in his life.</p><p>As Bernie&#8217;s posh front man he was superb. But once the strings were cut it all fell apart.</p><p>Mosley&#8217;s clever use of his authority, the exercise of his political power in other words, has given us processional racing, the desert of the Ferrari dominated years, the escalation in costs, the exit of manufacturers, the biggest threats to the sport&#8217;s very existance and, under his control, scandal after scandal after scandal.</p><p>He touts the improvement in safety under his control but even that is challengeable. I don&#8217;t want to open old wounds but I would suggest that Ratzengerger&#8217;s and Senna&#8217;s deaths were not unavoidable.</p><p>I would assume Mosley has a lot of charm. He certainly seems to get the journos on his side. But in coming to any conclusion as to his ability as president &#8211; a political postion &#8211; then one must examine his performance. What has he done with F1, WRC, WTC and WSC? F1 is in the worst state it has been in years.</p><p>The ACO is a bunch of amateurs and infighting is the norm yet Le Mans manages to grab the public&#8217;s attention. So can it be that hard?</p><p>Mind you, I&#8217;m with your second para 100%. But even here I&#8217;d suggest there is a weakness. Ari knows politics for real. I would suggest that his best option will be to challenge the result through the courts. There might well be a lot of mileage with that tactic.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-25412</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:08:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3968#comment-25412</guid> <description>We can dream that Vatanen can win but he really won&#039;t and we all know that, Max Mosley is just too good a politician.  In fact I think he is one of the best political minds I have ever seen.The vote is weighted so that Vatanen can&#039;t win, he would need a Western whitewash to have a chance but it simply won&#039;t happen unfortunately.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can dream that Vatanen can win but he really won&#8217;t and we all know that, Max Mosley is just too good a politician.  In fact I think he is one of the best political minds I have ever seen.</p><p>The vote is weighted so that Vatanen can&#8217;t win, he would need a Western whitewash to have a chance but it simply won&#8217;t happen unfortunately.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: James Allen</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-25368</link> <dc:creator>James Allen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3968#comment-25368</guid> <description>I heard that too. Vatanen has hired a lawyer who is expert in electoral processes, apparently.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that too. Vatanen has hired a lawyer who is expert in electoral processes, apparently.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: john g</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-25340</link> <dc:creator>john g</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:29:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3968#comment-25340</guid> <description>james can you put any more light on the story that upon asking for transparency in voting, max mosely ushered vatenen out of his office - reports say a meeting between the two lasted about 3 minutes...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>james can you put any more light on the story that upon asking for transparency in voting, max mosely ushered vatenen out of his office &#8211; reports say a meeting between the two lasted about 3 minutes&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rick J</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-25337</link> <dc:creator>Rick J</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:21:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3968#comment-25337</guid> <description>I&#039;m sorry but I really disagree with the notion that F1 has evolved into a superb spectacle. The on track racing is frequently dismal at best. 90% of what is interesting about F1 these days is the scandal and politicing. It is literally a glorified soap opera. The powers that be in F1 have made themselves fabulously rich in the process of duping the general public into paying massively for a very poor show. Without these guiding lights maybe F1 would have become more the spectacle that present day motorcycle racing is. Frequently nail biting to the last corner and beyond with genuine characters occupying the star roles. No wonder Mark Webber has become so disillusioned about F1 and such a big MotoGP fan. Someday I hope - and fully expect - to see him running a motorcycle team when he exits Bernie&#039;s circus.
Back on topic I am delighted to see Vatanen&#039;s rise and really hope he has a genuine shot at winning. Regrettably I don&#039;t think it will be allowed to happen.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but I really disagree with the notion that F1 has evolved into a superb spectacle. The on track racing is frequently dismal at best. 90% of what is interesting about F1 these days is the scandal and politicing. It is literally a glorified soap opera. The powers that be in F1 have made themselves fabulously rich in the process of duping the general public into paying massively for a very poor show. Without these guiding lights maybe F1 would have become more the spectacle that present day motorcycle racing is. Frequently nail biting to the last corner and beyond with genuine characters occupying the star roles. No wonder Mark Webber has become so disillusioned about F1 and such a big MotoGP fan. Someday I hope &#8211; and fully expect &#8211; to see him running a motorcycle team when he exits Bernie&#8217;s circus.<br
/> Back on topic I am delighted to see Vatanen&#8217;s rise and really hope he has a genuine shot at winning. Regrettably I don&#8217;t think it will be allowed to happen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Richard Mee</title><link>http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/vatanen-goes-on-the-offensive-in-final-push-for-fia-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-25260</link> <dc:creator>Richard Mee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:18:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3968#comment-25260</guid> <description>With satisfying irony; Moseley&#039;s 100% endorsement of Todt is the only thing that is leaving the result of this election in question.  If Todt had half a brain he&#039;d do his best to put some fresh air between himself and the current Junta this week.  Even if he did so with his fingers crossed behind his back.  Moseley&#039;s unequivocal support is like an anchor around his neck.  Todt has more charisma than Vatanen, and no doubt he&#039;s a talented chap - I think he&#039;d walk it if only everyone didn&#039;t look at him and see Moseley MkII.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With satisfying irony; Moseley&#8217;s 100% endorsement of Todt is the only thing that is leaving the result of this election in question.  If Todt had half a brain he&#8217;d do his best to put some fresh air between himself and the current Junta this week.  Even if he did so with his fingers crossed behind his back.  Moseley&#8217;s unequivocal support is like an anchor around his neck.  Todt has more charisma than Vatanen, and no doubt he&#8217;s a talented chap &#8211; I think he&#8217;d walk it if only everyone didn&#8217;t look at him and see Moseley MkII.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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