Comments on: Renault – the right judgement is vital for the sport http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/renault-the-right-judgement-is-vital-for-the-sport/ Formula 1 / F1 Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:27:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: grahamhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/renault-the-right-judgement-is-vital-for-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-20879 graham Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:13:43 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3592#comment-20879 The FIA knew about this last year and did nothing. The reason given that they needed a witness to come forward is a LIE. They should have sent the Quest examiners to Jr. door the next day. If he didn't want to come forward what is that? Go after him. Instead Max sat on it. Max is then as guilty as Pat Symonds concerning the cover-up. When, and only when the opportune time came for Max to exercise his vendetta against Flav he did so with calculated leaks, dirty tricks and bogus immunity deals. BTW, what happened to Symonds' immunity deal?We need a wholesale change at the FIA. Todt is just too tied in with the existing corrupt structure. Even if he is an angel he cannot operate without the taint of present corruption. That he won't let this perception alone cause him to not seek the office or FIA President shows us all that he too is willing to place personal ambition ahead of any love or concern for the sport.Go Ari go! It is time for war. The daggers will come out by the mere fact that Ari is running as a reform candidate. Knowing this, Ari should in a gentlemanly way make his case that ONLY his candidacy can bring the fresh change that we all know is needed. He should expect to be "uninvited" to the grid like he was in Monza. Meanwhile Todt flies on FIA paid junkets under the ruse of working with his wife on the sweetheart deal that Max gave her to "promote safety". Yeah right...BCE is up to it in his eyeballs too. Did you see the lame excuse he gave for FOM excluding Ari from the Monza grounds? Here is a link: http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=345223&FS=F1Expecting vindictive resistance, Ari should name names and be extremely vocal about the corruption that needs to be flushed out. He should press his cabinet allies to be more vocal as well.Go Ari go. The future good of the sport, not just F1 but Rally, DTM etc. all depends on the success of his campaign. The FIA knew about this last year and did nothing. The reason given that they needed a witness to come forward is a LIE. They should have sent the Quest examiners to Jr. door the next day. If he didn’t want to come forward what is that? Go after him. Instead Max sat on it. Max is then as guilty as Pat Symonds concerning the cover-up. When, and only when the opportune time came for Max to exercise his vendetta against Flav he did so with calculated leaks, dirty tricks and bogus immunity deals. BTW, what happened to Symonds’ immunity deal?

We need a wholesale change at the FIA. Todt is just too tied in with the existing corrupt structure. Even if he is an angel he cannot operate without the taint of present corruption. That he won’t let this perception alone cause him to not seek the office or FIA President shows us all that he too is willing to place personal ambition ahead of any love or concern for the sport.

Go Ari go! It is time for war. The daggers will come out by the mere fact that Ari is running as a reform candidate. Knowing this, Ari should in a gentlemanly way make his case that ONLY his candidacy can bring the fresh change that we all know is needed. He should expect to be “uninvited” to the grid like he was in Monza. Meanwhile Todt flies on FIA paid junkets under the ruse of working with his wife on the sweetheart deal that Max gave her to “promote safety”. Yeah right…

BCE is up to it in his eyeballs too. Did you see the lame excuse he gave for FOM excluding Ari from the Monza grounds? Here is a link: http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=345223&FS=F1

Expecting vindictive resistance, Ari should name names and be extremely vocal about the corruption that needs to be flushed out. He should press his cabinet allies to be more vocal as well.

Go Ari go. The future good of the sport, not just F1 but Rally, DTM etc. all depends on the success of his campaign.

]]> By: Matthttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/renault-the-right-judgement-is-vital-for-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-20805 Matt Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:32:03 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3592#comment-20805 I read somewhere that the FIA would have to have been aware of this before November before any results of the race could be changed! Result still stands! Anyway as it wont premote Massa to World Champion so I'm not fussed anyway! ha I read somewhere that the FIA would have to have been aware of this before November before any results of the race could be changed! Result still stands! Anyway as it wont premote Massa to World Champion so I’m not fussed anyway! ha

]]> By: Ross Dixonhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/renault-the-right-judgement-is-vital-for-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-20782 Ross Dixon Mon, 21 Sep 2009 17:56:09 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3592#comment-20782 That is one way to look at it but here is another.Getting caught with another teams data that was GIVEN (Side note: Renault STOLE Mclaren data and got off with it) to the team by another teams employee and was certainly not conceived by the management staff.£50,000,000Fixing a race by endangering people lifesA 2 year warningIf someone had dies Flavio would go to Jail and I would like to see Nelson get Immunity from that. Just because noone got hurt does not make the action any less of a crime.There are always diffenent way of looking at it but if I admit to Murder and someone gets caught stealing there is no way my murder sentence should be less. That is one way to look at it but here is another.

Getting caught with another teams data that was GIVEN (Side note: Renault STOLE Mclaren data and got off with it) to the team by another teams employee and was certainly not conceived by the management staff.

£50,000,000

Fixing a race by endangering people lifes

A 2 year warning

If someone had dies Flavio would go to Jail and I would like to see Nelson get Immunity from that. Just because noone got hurt does not make the action any less of a crime.

There are always diffenent way of looking at it but if I admit to Murder and someone gets caught stealing there is no way my murder sentence should be less.

]]> By: Johnhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/renault-the-right-judgement-is-vital-for-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-20715 John Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:07:35 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3592#comment-20715 They didn't need to establish what happened during this hearing, they already did that. And, Renault already said they would not contest the charges. No reason to have a trial when a guilty plea has already been given. Today was only about announcing how the participants would be punished. They didn’t need to establish what happened during this hearing, they already did that. And, Renault already said they would not contest the charges. No reason to have a trial when a guilty plea has already been given. Today was only about announcing how the participants would be punished.

]]> By: Michaelhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/renault-the-right-judgement-is-vital-for-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-20714 Michael Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:00:39 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3592#comment-20714 If you come offenses then the Renault crashgate is far worse then spygate. HOWEVER,the reason why McLaren were handed such a large penalty was their continual denial of the facts when it was proven that the majority of senior mechanics knew the data was theere and they were wind tunnel testing it. If they came out and accepted the role they played and confessed then I bet the penalty would not have been so harsh. Renault have come to the hearing omitting guilt and therefore you can expect a more lenient sentence. That is why you will never be able to compare the severity of the penalities! If you come offenses then the Renault crashgate is far worse then spygate. HOWEVER,the reason why McLaren were handed such a large penalty was their continual denial of the facts when it was proven that the majority of senior mechanics knew the data was theere and they were wind tunnel testing it. If they came out and accepted the role they played and confessed then I bet the penalty would not have been so harsh. Renault have come to the hearing omitting guilt and therefore you can expect a more lenient sentence. That is why you will never be able to compare the severity of the penalities!

]]> By: Neil Williamshttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/renault-the-right-judgement-is-vital-for-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-20713 Neil Williams Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:56:41 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3592#comment-20713 Did you know something we didn't, Owen? :-) Did you know something we didn’t, Owen? :-)

]]> By: Foobarhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/renault-the-right-judgement-is-vital-for-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-20711 Foobar Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:52:03 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3592#comment-20711 Money talks and BS walks.Renault face the dreaded finger wag after fixing a race.Absolutely awful resolution considering the implications: Manipulating the race result carries insignificant penalty.I'm dumbstruck, especially if you recall the impact spygate - which carried proper penalties - had on the sport's image. Money talks and BS walks.

Renault face the dreaded finger wag after fixing a race.

Absolutely awful resolution considering the implications: Manipulating the race result carries insignificant penalty.

I’m dumbstruck, especially if you recall the impact spygate – which carried proper penalties – had on the sport’s image.

]]> By: Philhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/renault-the-right-judgement-is-vital-for-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-20710 Phil Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:25:39 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3592#comment-20710 2 year suspended ban for Renault. Best outcome really seeing as 700 odd people depend on the Raunault team for a living (paying their mortgage etc.). That ban could apparently have an impact on Flav's interest in QPR though under FA rules. 2 year suspended ban for Renault. Best outcome really seeing as 700 odd people depend on the Raunault team for a living (paying their mortgage etc.). That ban could apparently have an impact on Flav’s interest in QPR though under FA rules.

]]> By: Matthttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/renault-the-right-judgement-is-vital-for-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-20709 Matt Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:22:34 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3592#comment-20709 Renault have been given a two-year suspended ban - Briatore has been banned for good - Pat Symonds has also been excluded from F1 for five years.Nice one..... Renault have been given a two-year suspended ban – Briatore has been banned for good – Pat Symonds has also been excluded from F1 for five years.

Nice one…..

]]> By: Benhttp://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/renault-the-right-judgement-is-vital-for-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-20708 Ben Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:22:25 +0000 http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/?p=3592#comment-20708 Unbelievably, it seems the win is going to be allowed to stand. Surely that can't be right. While Alonso wasn't involved in the conspiracy the whole fraud was concocted so he could win the race. I can't see how they can justify allowing the result to stand. Am I missing something James, or is that indeed the case? Unbelievably, it seems the win is going to be allowed to stand. Surely that can’t be right. While Alonso wasn’t involved in the conspiracy the whole fraud was concocted so he could win the race. I can’t see how they can justify allowing the result to stand. Am I missing something James, or is that indeed the case?

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